**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 18 02:59:59 2007
Sep 18 08:54:40 <fluff> well, this explains it. my jtagkey-tiny is dead
Sep 18 08:54:48 <fluff> it dosen't even work on my SMDK2412
Sep 18 11:09:25 * fluff gives up, uses the serial port, and orders a JTAGKey
Sep 18 20:10:44 <flyback> http://flyback.databurn.net/TTL-SERIAL-CARD-AND-PRINTER-SERVER/S4200069.JPG
Sep 18 20:10:45 <flyback> :P
Sep 18 20:29:06 <prpplague> flyback: cute hack, wrong channel for it though
Sep 18 20:32:38 <flyback> well actually not entirely
Sep 18 20:32:44 <flyback> since you guys have to deal with level conversion also
Sep 18 20:32:52 <flyback> my question is about 74245 :P
Sep 18 20:33:09 <flyback> if I want to make this device be able to handle like the +3.3 on the juicebox
Sep 18 20:33:24 <flyback> what family of 245 do I need and what's a good guide to hooking it up
Sep 18 20:33:42 <flyback> just let me back into #edev already
Sep 18 20:33:45 <flyback> a lot has changed
Sep 18 20:33:47 <flyback> :p
Sep 18 20:34:07 <flyback> hell i'll give you my home phone # as collateral
Sep 18 20:35:03 <flyback> also one quick non channel related question then I am going back to bed
Sep 18 20:35:23 <flyback> have you heared of or noticed any issues with the juicebox's sd reader and linux or in general like data loss etc
Sep 18 20:35:27 <flyback> thx
Sep 18 20:36:39 <prpplague> flyback: yea, the usb sd/mmc card reader shipped with the JB is terrible
Sep 18 20:36:45 <flyback> thank you so much
Sep 18 20:36:48 * flyback hugs prpplague
Sep 18 20:36:58 <flyback> for once I'm not crazy
Sep 18 20:36:59 <prpplague> flyback: more than 1/2 of the ones i got have failed
Sep 18 20:37:10 <flyback> yeah I thought i was losing it with some palm linux issues
Sep 18 20:37:19 <flyback> now I suspect that little reader I use to load the cards was eating shit
Sep 18 20:37:21 <prpplague> i used them for parts
Sep 18 20:37:40 <flyback> well readers are cheap so I will order some and use something else for now
Sep 18 20:37:41 <flyback> thx bud
Sep 18 20:37:46 <prpplague> np
Sep 18 20:39:05 <flyback> man cf got so cheap and so did the cf to ide adaptors
Sep 18 20:39:20 <flyback> like a bunch of machines I am using like for hd testing etc I am going to rip off all the drives now
Sep 18 20:39:24 <flyback> 2 gig like $13 
Sep 18 20:39:53 <flyback> other than worrying about write cycle life it's like the hell with dealing with a disk for stuff that doesn't care :P
Sep 18 20:39:55 <flyback> anyways bbl
Sep 18 20:43:05 <prpplague> flyback: yea cf is dying as far as embedded
Sep 18 20:43:10 <flyback> oh?
Sep 18 20:43:11 <flyback> why?
Sep 18 20:43:12 <prpplague> flyback: in favor of spi and sdio
Sep 18 20:43:13 <flyback> size>
Sep 18 20:43:16 <flyback> ick
Sep 18 20:43:27 <flyback> well if they open up more of the spec I guess that's ok
Sep 18 20:43:30 <prpplague> flyback: requires too many control lines to implement
Sep 18 20:43:43 <prpplague> flyback: all thats needed for the spec is already open
Sep 18 20:43:50 <flyback> oh cool then
Sep 18 20:43:57 <prpplague> flyback: its the device manufacturers that aren't releasing their specs
Sep 18 20:44:01 <flyback> no chance of a sata cf you think?
Sep 18 20:44:10 <prpplague> flyback: i.e. similiar to the early days of pcmcica
Sep 18 20:44:20 <prpplague> pcmcia
Sep 18 20:44:33 <prpplague> flyback: doubt it
Sep 18 20:45:00 <flyback> I thought about something isn't using a reader on sm or xd dangerous?
Sep 18 20:45:15 <flyback> for the data
Sep 18 20:45:25 <prpplague> flyback: ??
Sep 18 20:45:54 <flyback> well since the host has to do all the sector management etc, couldn't you have a camera say write the data in a non standard way that the reader might corrupt
Sep 18 20:46:40 <flyback> nm not important
Sep 18 20:46:52 <flyback> I am just glad you gave me the info I needed on those damn readers
Sep 18 20:49:26 <prpplague> flyback: yea, thats true of anything though
Sep 18 20:49:44 <prpplague> flyback: all the devices you use a storage media on have to play by the same rules
Sep 18 20:50:00 <flyback> yeah but at least with other formats there is a controller always presenting a standard interface at least in theroy
Sep 18 20:50:13 <flyback> so it could have hamster wheels in the background storing 0's or 1's it wouldn't matter
Sep 18 20:51:58 <prpplague> flyback: ??
Sep 18 20:52:09 <prpplague> flyback: sm and xd also have controllers
Sep 18 20:52:13 <flyback> uh
Sep 18 20:52:16 <flyback> since when
Sep 18 20:52:23 <flyback> they are just raw nand
Sep 18 20:52:34 <prpplague> flyback: they are, but the devices that use them have controllers
Sep 18 20:52:39 <prpplague> flyback: thats the difference
Sep 18 20:52:54 <prpplague> flyback: controller is in the device not in the media
Sep 18 20:52:55 <flyback> yeah but I am saying if you switch between devices you might have a chance of it switching from english to japanse
Sep 18 20:53:09 <prpplague> flyback: doesn't work that way
Sep 18 20:53:13 <flyback> oh?
Sep 18 20:53:18 <flyback> I stand corrected then :)
Sep 18 20:53:32 <flyback> I still rather trust a dedicated controller in the package :P
Sep 18 20:53:44 <flyback> palm linux is coming along nicely btw I have it on my t5
Sep 18 20:53:47 <flyback> :)
Sep 18 20:53:55 <flyback> you should hang in #hackndev sometime
Sep 18 20:54:00 <flyback> marex is a prick but he knows his stuff
Sep 18 20:55:00 <flyback> I suspect part of the problem is he knows the english language but not all the grammer
Sep 18 20:55:08 <flyback> so he either sounds like a prick or he takes stuff wrong
Sep 18 20:56:08 <prpplague> yea, i tried hanging in hackndev, but the level of maturity there was kinda low
Sep 18 20:56:22 <flyback> ooo these lead acid camcorder batteries from my aunt's old camcorder that blew it's battery circuitry, the old one was 10v 850ma and it's 5 flat ziplock style lead acid batteries 2volts 850 each this new one are 2000ma packs :P
Sep 18 20:56:37 <flyback> these might be useful since lead acid is fairly rugged :P
Sep 18 21:04:39 <prpplague> flyback: yea i stictly use lithium ion these days since they are cheap
Sep 18 21:05:34 <flyback> I have like 60+ lithium cells from old laptop batteries and several of them are still good
Sep 18 21:05:38 <flyback> yes I know those aren't ion
Sep 18 21:05:47 <flyback> I am not ready to go with lithium yet too much chance of blowing a kids head off
Sep 18 21:05:48 <flyback> :P
Sep 18 21:05:52 <flyback> till I get more skilled
Sep 18 21:06:06 <flyback> hey one thing did you hear about the dewalt hack
Sep 18 21:06:06 <flyback> dude
Sep 18 21:06:11 <flyback> you need this hang on
Sep 18 21:06:14 <flyback> they are all over ebay now
Sep 18 21:06:31 <flyback> http://www.slkelectronics.com/DeWalt/packs.htm
Sep 18 21:06:44 <flyback> these new super cells lithium cells you can treat like nicd
Sep 18 21:07:01 <flyback> problem is they are $100/sample but if you buy a drill pack that happens ot use them - around $9/cell
Sep 18 21:07:41 <flyback> their ma isn't that high only 2300ma but you can like 5c+ them without them blowing up
Sep 18 21:07:52 <flyback> you can keep charging them and they will just act like caps and stop accepting charge
Sep 18 21:08:07 <flyback> anyways out for real this time :P
Sep 18 21:21:50 <prpplague> yea i saw that on hackaday
Sep 18 21:22:02 <prpplague> i prefer units with 18650 cells in them though
Sep 18 21:22:19 <prpplague> you can get a 1800mAh 18650 pretty easy these days
Sep 18 21:23:48 <prpplague> flyback-: cute device
Sep 18 21:24:06 <flyback-> yeah 
Sep 18 21:25:32 <flyback-> oh it does sm too
Sep 18 21:25:35 <flyback-> could get insteresting
Sep 18 21:26:38 <flyback-> oh I can use it as a reader too! perfect!
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