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Nov 26 18:26:32 <prpplague> wookey_: you see our new arm9 board?
Nov 26 18:28:25 <prpplague> wookey_: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6212564523.html
Nov 26 19:17:24 <wookey_> prpplague: yes. I didn;'t realise that was you. Nice bit of kit, and I see you've joined the open hardware revolution
Nov 26 19:17:56 <prpplague> wookey_: yea, although the schematics are available we are still deciding on the license
Nov 26 19:18:00 <wookey_> what licence did you use? open hardware licenses is up for disucssion in paris next month. I may try to attend
Nov 26 19:19:21 <wookey_> did you consider the tapr licence, which seems to be one of the better developed. Or our BOHL
Nov 26 19:22:03 <prpplague> wookey_: right now we are just releasing the schematic for reference only, we are planning to put it under license in the two or three weeks
Nov 26 19:22:14 <prpplague> wookey_: any recommendations would be helpful
Nov 26 19:22:32 <wookey_> well, those are my two. I don;t think there are any other viable choices right now
Nov 26 19:22:49 <prpplague> wookey_: ok, thanks, i'll give those a review
Nov 26 19:23:01 <wookey_> the BOHL needs simplifying though. we decided months ago it had too much process built-in, but no-one has found time to re-write it
Nov 26 19:23:34 <wookey_> I've been talking to the FSF about this and they are not quite sure what a general OHL should look like either
Nov 26 19:24:12 <wookey_> the BOHL was written for people like you to use, so I'd be interested to hear whether you think it does what you want or not. 
Nov 26 19:24:15 <prpplague> yea, its a tricky deal
Nov 26 19:24:41 <prpplague> wookey_: if i had my choice, i'd want something similiar to the BSD license for hardware
Nov 26 19:24:57 * prpplague looks BOHL up
Nov 26 19:25:24 <wookey_> OK. in that case you might prefer TAPR OHL which is much siumpler and more or less just says 'you can't assert any patents on this'
Nov 26 19:25:49 <wookey_> BOHL tries to provide some legal protection for designers from people who build a board but it doesn;t work
Nov 26 19:26:03 <prpplague> wookey_: had that would be good too
Nov 26 19:26:23 <wookey_> personally I think that's an overrated risk, but I know the bosds worries about it...
Nov 26 19:26:45 <wookey_> boss
Nov 26 19:26:56 * prpplague reads the BOHL pdf
Nov 26 19:27:16 <prpplague> wookey_: any thoughts about the hammer board as you read the specs and such?
Nov 26 19:36:27 <key2> AchiestDragon ??
Nov 26 19:36:34 <key2> AchiestDragon: there?
Nov 26 19:50:16 <key2> prpplague: you are the one that told me that s3c2410  was nice, right ?
Nov 26 19:51:03 <prpplague> indeed
Nov 26 19:51:53 <key2> prpplague: where do u buy it ?
Nov 26 19:52:10 <prpplague> key2: modules or cpus?
Nov 26 19:52:25 <key2> both :)
Nov 26 19:52:40 <key2> prpplague: I want to do a board with array of 16 FPGA
Nov 26 19:52:51 <prpplague> uh ok
Nov 26 19:53:00 <key2> I wonder if it can bitbang fast enough tho
Nov 26 19:53:06 <prpplague> module are easy to find, there are alot of manufacturers
Nov 26 19:53:21 <prpplague> key2: what will the fpgas do?
Nov 26 19:53:22 <key2> prpplague: the thing is that the FPGA itself is a BGA package
Nov 26 19:53:50 <key2> prpplague: break A5 algorithm
Nov 26 19:53:56 <key2> for making the rainbow table
Nov 26 19:55:15 <key2> prpplague: so since it will be a board with BGA, i wonder if i better take it as module or directly on the board
Nov 26 19:58:20 <prpplague> key2: what will be the interface from the cpu to the fpga?
Nov 26 19:58:30 <key2> buses
Nov 26 19:58:35 <key2> addr + data
Nov 26 19:59:56 <prpplague> key2: probably get one of the sodims from simtec or one of the modules from embest
Nov 26 20:00:48 <key2> prpplague: better take it as module ?
Nov 26 20:01:08 <prpplague> key2: i would
Nov 26 20:01:46 <key2> prpplague: it has ethernet onboard ?
Nov 26 20:01:50 <key2> or need a phy
Nov 26 20:02:01 <prpplague> no, you can add that on seperately
Nov 26 20:02:18 <prpplague> key2: what do you need 10baseT or higher?
Nov 26 20:04:27 <key2> 100
Nov 26 20:04:36 <key2> 10 wont be fast enough
Nov 26 20:04:55 <prpplague> key2: then i'd just add a cs8900 board
Nov 26 20:06:42 <key2> whats this ? :)
Nov 26 20:06:55 * prpplague points key2 to google.com
Nov 26 20:07:41 <key2> ok a lan controller
Nov 26 20:07:51 <key2> prpplague: so the chip doesnt have a MAC core ?
Nov 26 20:08:01 <prpplague> no
Nov 26 20:08:05 <key2> mmh
Nov 26 20:08:13 <key2> what about EP9302 ? is it crap ?
Nov 26 22:36:43 <AchiestDragon> you know if your programming all 16 at the same time ,, if you have 36 bits of dio to play with on the programming cpu you can program them all in parrallel taking 1/16th of the time of programming them in a chian 
Nov 26 22:38:38 <AchiestDragon> if say programming it from a ep93xx or other such cpu , then you can in asm write it and get it down to about 25mhz clocking , although the actual dio seems to only like 5mhz 
Nov 26 22:39:12 <AchiestDragon> a cpld clocked direct from sdram would give it that sort of rate also 
Nov 26 22:39:24 <AchiestDragon> maybe faster 
Nov 26 22:40:00 <AchiestDragon> thats all 16 getting programmed with individual code each also 
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