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Sep 11 17:35:21 <prpplague> drath: greetings
Sep 11 17:35:29 <drath> hey prpplague 
Sep 11 17:35:54 <prpplague> drath: we were beginning to worry that you had been kidnapped by a bunch of drunken belgian monks
Sep 11 17:35:56 <drath> my server that usually runs my irssi 24/7 crashed, so i'm only sporadically in irc
Sep 11 17:36:19 <drath> gotta grab something to eat, bbiab
Sep 11 17:36:30 <prpplague> drath: later
Sep 11 17:58:55 <flyback> CANUCK!
Sep 11 17:58:58 * flyback bites prpplague 
Sep 11 17:59:09 <flyback> hey
Sep 11 17:59:11 <flyback> question
Sep 11 17:59:14 <flyback> about the wiggler
Sep 11 17:59:22 <flyback> a) are the wires length sensitive?
Sep 11 17:59:33 <flyback> b) should I twist pair them each with a ground?
Sep 11 17:59:51 <flyback> c) what software is decent for free I can use with a wiggler clone, I don't feel right about using macronix's tool
Sep 11 18:00:31 <prpplague> parport wiggler are at a relatively low speed and aren't as sensitive to noise as high clocked devices, so you can usually get about 2 feet of cable without issue as long as it is properly wired
Sep 11 18:00:38 <flyback> most important you need to idle in #coreboot
Sep 11 18:00:52 <prpplague> openocd works with just about all arm cores
Sep 11 18:00:56 <flyback> cool :)
Sep 11 18:01:01 <flyback> cause I got a bunch of targets
Sep 11 18:01:02 <prpplague> flyback: not interested in coreboot
Sep 11 18:01:07 <flyback> why
Sep 11 18:01:17 <flyback> they branched out into tons of payloads and even some non x86
Sep 11 18:01:31 <flyback> but that's cool :)
Sep 11 18:01:31 <prpplague> just isn't needed for my work
Sep 11 18:01:40 <flyback> btw I saw your work the other day
Sep 11 18:01:42 <flyback> cool job :)
Sep 11 18:02:05 <prpplague> ??
Sep 11 18:02:17 <flyback> I hope you use all solid caps in your handhelds for the idiot that leaves it out in in a car when it's 90f out :)
Sep 11 18:02:30 <flyback> I don't think I saw the place you worked for before
Sep 11 18:02:34 <flyback> their web site
Sep 11 18:02:55 <prpplague> sorry not understanding anything you are saying
Sep 11 18:04:11 <flyback> ok
Sep 11 18:04:20 <flyback> you work for a company that makes handhelds for industry
Sep 11 18:04:27 <flyback> package scanning machines etc
Sep 11 18:04:39 <flyback> like wallmart stockboys use
Sep 11 18:04:53 <flyback> it's been a bad week of work I think I seriously lost some sanity and brain cells
Sep 11 18:05:09 <flyback> i'm saying it looks like a cool company to work for
Sep 11 18:05:44 <prpplague> yea well not for long, they are planning to close the engineering department next year and outsource everything
Sep 11 18:06:04 <flyback> :(
Sep 11 18:06:16 <flyback> i'm sorry someone will pick you up
Sep 11 18:06:23 <flyback> in fact I guarantee it :)
Sep 11 18:13:23 <flyback> bbl my friend
Sep 11 18:16:55 <sn9> 2 feet is 2 long a cable
Sep 11 18:17:29 <prpplague> sn9: shorter is always better, but i've actually done jtag with a 5 foot cable
Sep 11 18:18:59 <sn9> it can be done, if you increase the divisor
Sep 11 18:19:17 <prpplague> just not very practical
Sep 11 18:19:21 <sn9> right
Sep 11 18:19:33 <prpplague> sn9: this was for a hack needing to be done for some remote debugging
Sep 11 18:28:50 <prpplague> sn9: we have a much better solution now, hehe
Sep 11 18:29:44 <sn9> yay, ftdi!
Sep 11 18:30:17 <prpplague> sn9: hehe, naw, "yay, arm920"
Sep 11 18:30:40 <sn9> yay, both
Sep 11 18:31:09 <prpplague> ft2232 is a darn good device, but it has some limitations
Sep 11 18:31:47 <prpplague> mainly with speed and latency
Sep 11 18:32:07 <sn9> i suppose they could be overcome with an avr
Sep 11 18:32:07 <prpplague> plus network connectivity, you have to have a host pc
Sep 11 18:32:15 <prpplague> s/avr/arm920
Sep 12 02:36:12 * flyback stars in amazment as he uses his glasses for the first time in a long time
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