**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 17 02:59:57 2008 Aug 17 03:40:04 freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * re01949429bfd 10/opimd/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Aug 17 03:40:04 freesmartphone.org: Various cleanups Aug 17 03:40:04 freesmartphone.org: Break .PIM.Sources up into .Sources and .Source Aug 17 09:20:34 Hello Aug 17 09:21:00 hi Aug 17 10:16:08 * rwhitby adds 1233 new packages to http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/ Aug 17 10:16:28 cool. Aug 17 10:18:15 finally, the correct date on fso via "ipkg install tzdata ntpdate" Aug 17 10:20:48 * Sargun waits until he can finally build FSO Aug 17 10:44:22 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra1584d921752 10/odeviced/src/ (daemon/helpers.vala plugins/input/input.vala): Aug 17 10:44:22 freesmartphone.org: do not pass cleansed node as a sysfs node to plugin constructors. Fixes Aug 17 10:44:22 freesmartphone.org: correct path in LED plugin Aug 17 10:44:23 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rc5f25d8241cf 10/opimd/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:openmoko-gsoc2008 Aug 17 11:14:44 moin Aug 17 11:15:48 why does the debian/install.sh script tag the fat partion as "b", meaning fat32? for a 8M partition, fat16 should be more appropriate Aug 17 11:18:19 eartoast: isn't the filesystem fat16? Aug 17 11:18:33 eartoast: 'If nothing is specified, mkdosfs will automatically select between 12 and 16 bit, whatever fits better for the filesystem size.' Aug 17 11:18:56 he's talking about the partition type like in fdisk Aug 17 11:19:11 eartoast: ah, but does that partition type matter at all? Aug 17 11:19:59 lindi-: well, it is at least inconsistent: mkfs.vfat will create a fat16 file system Aug 17 11:20:16 maybe it is more a cosmetic issue... Aug 17 11:20:28 eartoast: very very cosmetic yes :) Aug 17 11:20:55 but who knows what a windows machine would do to that FS if you plug in the sdcard... Aug 17 11:20:59 ;) Aug 17 11:21:15 filesystems have magic numbers, right? Aug 17 11:22:07 yes... but who knows how much a blackbox treats the fs magic number vs partition type Aug 17 11:22:40 i mean: there must be a reason why half of the partition types is reserved for different incarnations of FAT Aug 17 11:23:03 eartoast: there was, 10 years ago Aug 17 11:23:50 i know that linux does not look at the partition type... Aug 17 11:29:28 but for reasons of compatibily with a gazillion of proprietary system (embedded also in cameras, mobile phones, etc.) i would keep as close to the specs as possible Aug 17 11:30:40 * rwhitby adds navit to task-openmoko-feed Aug 17 11:31:05 anyone know how i should go about compiling a kernel module for a certian usb device Aug 17 11:31:49 mickeyl: fso feeds (including task-openmoko-feed builds) are up at http://shr.bearstech.com/ Aug 17 11:32:05 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r0291d24e6e7d 10/html/index.html: index.html: typo Aug 17 11:32:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r43ae86471356 10/ousage/org.freesmartphone.Usage.xml.in: ousage: start documenting org.freesmartphone.Usage. Aug 17 11:32:07 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r9f8e83465c9a 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add org.freesmartphone.Usage.html Aug 17 11:32:21 rwhitby: amazing. please announce that! Aug 17 11:33:18 rwhitby: fixed the DISTRO_FEED_URI so that feed configs point to your site? Aug 17 11:33:47 mickeyl: it's bearstech's site, I just maintain the autobuilder for them :-) Aug 17 11:34:16 haven't got any java or classpath stuff to build yet (or anything that depends on that) - seems to be a problem with classpath-native and debian lenny Aug 17 11:34:42 mickeyl: btw, I'm building everything for gta01 and gta02 Aug 17 11:34:52 good Aug 17 11:34:56 There's a special FSO Makefile now :-) Aug 17 11:35:49 mickeyl: so the way to get stuff into fso-testing is to adjust sane-srcrevs or preferred-om-2008-versions as usual ... Aug 17 11:35:58 ok, that's good Aug 17 11:36:03 will remember to do that Aug 17 11:36:06 and fso-unstable just does moko-autorev and fso-autorev Aug 17 11:36:56 any apps that people mention on the lists, that happen to build, I'll add them to task-openmoko-feeds Aug 17 11:36:57 once ms3 is out, ca we dd stable to that as well? Aug 17 11:37:09 "can we add" Aug 17 11:37:45 yep, I have targets in the makefile specifically to build from a git rev into a named milestone dir, so you can have fso-milestone3, fso-milestone4, etc, and just symlink fso-stable Aug 17 11:38:12 (it does a local checkout onto a separate branch from the existing unstable git checkout) Aug 17 11:38:14 great. Aug 17 11:39:11 mickeyl: one thing I really need to know, is how to turn off screen blanking and suspend permanently Aug 17 11:39:33 does it autosuspend? Aug 17 11:39:35 knowing that would really help my testing on the gta01 Aug 17 11:40:13 I've adjusted the menu items, but it still blanks Aug 17 11:40:29 I think you mentioned that two things were causing it, and the menus only affect one of them Aug 17 11:40:47 there's both illume and zhone blanking Aug 17 11:40:56 Note that I can't test gta02 stuff, since my prototype one is not working Aug 17 11:41:00 illume blanking can be configured in the menu? Aug 17 11:41:16 for zhone blanking you need to edit /etc/frameworkd.conf Aug 17 11:41:23 [idlenotifier] Aug 17 11:41:37 * rwhitby has vi open Aug 17 11:41:37 IDLE_DIM = 0 Aug 17 11:41:42 LOCK = 0 Aug 17 11:41:47 that should be it iirc Aug 17 11:42:16 ah, and if it's a newer frameworkd you need to say Aug 17 11:42:19 [odeviced.idlenotifier] Aug 17 11:42:25 instead of [idlenotifier] Aug 17 11:42:49 * rwhitby went bike riding with his 7-yr old son today, and captured the gps trace on the gta01 running fso/tangogps Aug 17 11:42:57 nice! Aug 17 11:43:01 oh, and i just checked Aug 17 11:43:05 the entries need to be lowercase Aug 17 11:43:07 so: Aug 17 11:43:08 idle_dim = 0 Aug 17 11:43:10 lock = 0 Aug 17 11:43:13 that should work Aug 17 11:44:35 any way to have it never dim or lock when plugged into usb? Aug 17 11:44:36 mickeyl: Do we have a list with all options for frameworkd on the wiki? Aug 17 11:45:21 mickeyl: there's about 1300 extra packages in the fso-testing feed due to task-openmoko-feed Aug 17 11:45:32 rwhitby: not now, but this is going to be added soon Aug 17 11:45:44 stefan_schmidt: i ty to keep conf/example/frameworkd.conf uptodate Aug 17 11:46:01 also need a way for tangogps to make sure that the screen doesn't dim when you've got a map up and and are moving Aug 17 11:46:03 mickeyl: ok, so we have at least one place with all options. Good Aug 17 11:46:12 No need to duplicate everything into the wiki Aug 17 11:46:29 rwhitby: yes, idlenotifier will get more functions for something like that Aug 17 11:46:33 * stefan_schmidt thinks it makes no sense to "wikify" everything ;) Aug 17 11:46:38 stefan_schmidt: *nod* Aug 17 11:47:22 rwhitby: can you make a ticket wrt. idlenotifier / neverDim? Aug 17 11:47:29 rwhitby: Same as we need for an video player. "Don't dim, I'm active" Aug 17 11:47:35 yep Aug 17 11:47:48 is there a way for an app to say "i want the phone to wakeup from suspend in 15 minutes" with frameworkd? Aug 17 11:48:16 Wiedi: Not yet. Aug 17 11:48:29 Wiedi: Setting wakeup alarm will come thought Aug 17 11:48:42 Wiedi: It's needed for a sane alarm clock anyway Aug 17 11:49:16 yeah, i need one so i'm not always late at work :> Aug 17 11:49:37 mickeyl: Since yesterday we should have a loading app notification again. Was all there from raster just needed to catchup with the theme Aug 17 11:49:44 Wiedi: heh Aug 17 11:49:57 * stefan_schmidt likes to work at home Aug 17 11:50:16 Still I'm missing the cooperation from a good office Aug 17 11:50:44 stefan_schmidt: awesome Aug 17 11:50:47 yeah Aug 17 11:50:50 we need to meet more often Aug 17 11:50:50 really Aug 17 11:51:00 mickeyl: I have frameworkd 0.8.2+gitr5b0878b69037b68e64f4048a51003416c9b1261b-r2 and can't get those options to be recognised, either upper or lower and with odeviced. and not Aug 17 11:51:00 indeed Aug 17 11:51:31 rwhitby: can you try the following: Aug 17 11:51:35 [odeviced.idlenotifier] Aug 17 11:51:38 log_level = DEBUG Aug 17 11:51:45 and then start the framework on console w/ Aug 17 11:51:49 frameworkd -s odeviced Aug 17 11:51:54 and have a look at the idlenotifier messages Aug 17 11:52:02 it shoud tell you when it reads config Aug 17 11:52:20 Ah, I need to bump sane-srcev for the stable feed to pick this up. Aug 17 11:52:40 When rwhitby does already the hard work to privide such feeds I should at least help him Aug 17 11:52:45 a bit... Aug 17 11:54:42 stefan_schmidt: :-) Aug 17 11:56:12 odeviced.idlenotifier INFO timeout for SUSPEND not configured. using default Aug 17 11:56:28 e.g. Aug 17 11:56:47 etc for IDLE, IDLE_DIM, LOCK, IDLE_PRELOCK Aug 17 11:58:22 interesting Aug 17 11:58:26 does the FSO image use matchbox-window-manager with zhone like debian? Aug 17 11:58:46 lindi-: No, it uses enlightenment wm Aug 17 11:58:51 lindi-: E17 Aug 17 11:59:00 * rwhitby UTSL Aug 17 11:59:07 rwhitby: for now just change the defaults in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py Aug 17 11:59:22 I'll change some things there to fix it Aug 17 11:59:25 mickeyl: nm, the source showed me the way Aug 17 11:59:33 i noticed '0' not being honored anyways Aug 17 11:59:37 so you need to configure a looooooooong time Aug 17 11:59:44 to prevent it from falling into this state Aug 17 11:59:50 stefan_schmidt: ok, that's probably not in debian at all? i only see 'e16 - the Enlightenment Window Manager DR16' Aug 17 11:59:53 ~lart me for leaving uncompleted subsystems Aug 17 12:00:10 lindi-: It's in experimental Aug 17 12:00:40 stefan_schmidt: ok Aug 17 12:01:09 i don't think illume is in debian already Aug 17 12:02:56 mickeyl: hmm, that would mean shoragan has something to do then. ;) Aug 17 12:03:23 yeah Aug 17 12:04:49 what virtual keyboard does it use with e17? Aug 17 12:05:01 since i'm trying to figure out how to create virtual keyboard for matchbox without writing C Aug 17 12:05:43 mickeyl: is frameworkd in a state suitable for bumping sane-srcrev? Aug 17 12:06:17 lindi-: It uses the illume keyboard Aug 17 12:06:38 lindi-: With that one you can have your own layout defined it just a text file Aug 17 12:06:41 stefan_schmidt: and matchbox-keyboard does not work with it or vice versa? Aug 17 12:07:10 where is python-ecore for armel? Aug 17 12:07:22 lindi-: They are totally different implementations Aug 17 12:07:40 * rwhitby checks if git builds for fso, so he can submit frameworkd patches directly from the device ... Aug 17 12:07:48 rwhitby: no, it's broken atm. Aug 17 12:07:59 tmzt_mp900c: debian experimental Aug 17 12:08:18 stefan_schmidt: yes yes, i am just trying to figure out if it is possible to create virtual keyboard that works with all window managers :) Aug 17 12:08:25 rwhitby: made some structural changes and did not catch up yet w/ zhone etc. Aug 17 12:08:35 probably mid-next week reaching more stability again Aug 17 12:08:47 ok, no hurry. Aug 17 12:09:07 lindi-: IIRC matchbox-keyboard would work with E17. Aug 17 12:09:14 got to figure out why tango wasn't reporting my speed correctly in km/hr today ... Aug 17 12:09:46 rwhitby: Does .au use km istead of miles? Aug 17 12:10:07 yep, we are a modern country, unlike the USA Aug 17 12:10:08 stefan_schmidt: http://barbieri-playground.googlecode.com/svn/efl-tests/vkbd/ is a nice keyboard demo that uses EFL Aug 17 12:10:08 * stefan_schmidt need to learn such things before being there 4 weeks Aug 17 12:10:11 :) Aug 17 12:10:19 rwhitby: good :) Aug 17 12:10:20 stefan_schmidt: but i can't figure out how to make it non-fullscreen with matchbox-window-manager Aug 17 12:10:29 stefan_schmidt: or how to make it send characters to other programs Aug 17 12:10:39 australia switched to metric in the 1960's Aug 17 12:11:02 lindi-: Can't help you there. Aug 17 12:11:29 ok, I have to study a bit. later guys Aug 17 12:13:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdb1b4110f250 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: Aug 17 12:13:35 freesmartphone.org: odeviced: simplify idlenotifier state machine and fix '0' specifying that a state will never be reached (except Aug 17 12:13:35 freesmartphone.org: programmatically) Aug 17 12:13:37 mickeyl: how do I get OE to build .tar.gz for rootfs using the image class? Aug 17 12:13:51 (so fso feeds can have .tar.gz for rootfs too) Aug 17 12:14:02 set IMAGE_FSTYPES in your local.conf Aug 17 12:14:07 "jffs2 tar.bz2" Aug 17 12:14:20 any reason why that is not done in openmoko.conf? Aug 17 12:14:40 nothing except the vague feeling that this is not a distro policy Aug 17 12:15:23 * rwhitby counters with "maybe building jffs2 is distro policy too?" :-) Aug 17 12:18:13 i'm +-0 on that Aug 17 12:18:20 feel free to change Aug 17 12:18:23 * rwhitby adds it to local.conf ... Aug 17 12:39:35 lindi-: have you tried wifi with debian yet? Aug 17 12:41:49 edistar_: yes Aug 17 12:42:30 does it work well? Aug 17 12:43:47 edistar_: it's the same kernel, how could it behave differently? Aug 17 12:45:45 lindi-: dunno, just asking.. silly question really Aug 17 12:46:05 oh by the way... Aug 17 12:46:13 i know why fso is more unstable on debian Aug 17 12:46:28 debian's python is not running with -O by default Aug 17 12:46:38 which means, all code assertions are active Aug 17 12:46:53 in contrast to OE-built python where we are running on -O by default Aug 17 12:47:05 it's good actually, that way we spot more errors in the framework Aug 17 12:48:16 wouldn't full Xorg be slower? Aug 17 12:50:23 tmzt_mp900c: possibly Aug 17 12:50:35 tmzt_mp900c: got some benchmark i could run? Aug 17 12:50:44 ok, i patched the debian install script to make it usable as a partition table recovery tool (basically separating partition and format) Aug 17 12:50:45 on gta02 don't bother going xorg-standard, it will _creep_ Aug 17 12:51:35 eartoast: interesting :) does it really only destroy the first 512 bytes? Aug 17 12:51:43 sorry, on debian armel for fso Aug 17 12:51:49 i hvae xorg on my freerunner Aug 17 12:54:10 lindi-: yes; it seems to be related to a bug in the linux kernel vfs layer/sd interaction, which zeroes out the parition table Aug 17 12:54:28 eartoast: so does it get zeroed only after linux has run some code? Aug 17 12:54:37 just did a md5sum check Aug 17 12:54:52 it happens in the resume path of the sd device.. Aug 17 12:55:03 olpc is also bitten by this Aug 17 12:55:12 http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6532 Aug 17 12:56:26 they seem to have a workaround by inserting a sleep in the resume path Aug 17 13:12:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r2ca21d0a8691 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Makefile: propagate make target Aug 17 13:17:13 mickeyl, can we enable assertions also in the fso-image? Aug 17 13:17:37 i remember you said something about that when i was in frankfurt Aug 17 13:24:37 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r578746a1d344 10/ (21 files in 3 dirs): add xml files usable for dbus-binding-tool into proper directory Aug 17 13:24:49 hmm Aug 17 13:24:55 we need to run python unoptimized Aug 17 14:13:08 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rab36a303e742 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/ (6 files): license whitespace changes Aug 17 14:15:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r736fb6b8ca0d 10/framework/subsystems/ (9 files in 3 dirs): fix Jan's email address Aug 17 15:16:41 hmm, i'm up to 'Running task 3251 of 6538', and my build tree is taking up 14Gb already.. i ran 'bitbake openmoko-devel-image'. is it possible it's building too many packages? Aug 17 15:17:14 doing now a testrun of my improved debian install.sh script :) will send a patch then Aug 17 15:18:08 - partitioning is separate from formatting, so it can be used to recover the partition table after a suspend destroyed it Aug 17 15:18:41 - consequently uses $INST_MIRROR Aug 17 15:19:10 - dropbear keys are copied automatically Aug 17 15:20:18 - for people with slow internet connections, also the kernel and pkg-fso mirrors can be configured now Aug 17 15:21:29 - documentation update: killall qpe does not work reliably, the corresponding init script respawns it Aug 17 15:26:00 Weiss: 15GBytes should do it. Aug 17 15:28:25 mwester: so the remaining 50% of the tasks aren't going to use as much space? Aug 17 15:29:37 You probably already went through the config/compile/stage tasks; the rest won't need so much space. Aug 17 15:29:50 (Unless something has completely gone berserk) Aug 17 15:30:06 hmm, except my xserver-kdrive compilation has broken :( Aug 17 15:30:14 devices.c:531: error: 'struct _KeyClassRec' has no member named 'xkbInfo' Aug 17 15:30:54 mwester: yeah, i suspected it'd do a whole load of compiling then a whole load of packaging stuff Aug 17 15:44:31 hmm, are there two X server recipes by default? Aug 17 15:45:12 i have xserver-kdrive-1_1.4.0.90-r0 and xserver-kdrive-glamo-1_1.3.0.0+git0+40(stuff) Aug 17 15:47:32 hi there Aug 17 15:47:55 I suscribed yesterday to the project Aug 17 16:03:35 Weiss, bitbake choose the more recent version in all cases Aug 17 16:04:01 I just stumpled upon the Freerunner, and now I'm thinking about buying one. Hoe useable is it (running Debain in first case)? Aug 17 16:04:42 Is it currently more a special Linux-Geek-Only thing, or will I be able (Ubuntu user :p ) to use it? Aug 17 16:06:03 lambda: i got this message at the start of the build: ERROR: Multiple .bb files are due to be built which each provide virtual/xserver (/bitwiz/openmoko/openmoko/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git.bb /bitwiz/openmoko/openmoko/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive_1.4.0.90.bb) - which looks like two x servers are being compiled.. Aug 17 16:08:38 Weiss: it's been like that for a long time; nobody seems to have fixed it. Whatever it is that ends up in the final image seems to work, and it builds without errors. I think something else is the root cause of your build failure. Aug 17 16:09:04 hmm Aug 17 16:09:42 i'm guessing the xserver-kdrive-glamo+git is the "correct" version, but it's the plain xserver-kdrive which is failing Aug 17 16:10:55 Weiss: afaik xserver-kdrive-glamo is not used yet Aug 17 16:12:51 hmm, ok Aug 17 16:13:43 i've hacked the troublesome line of code in tmp/work/.../dix/devices.c to tomment it out: it looked like an initialisation to NULL of something which was unused in this configuration Aug 17 16:15:21 ...and we seem to be off again: NOTE: package xserver-kdrive-1_1.4.0.90-r0: task do_compile: completed Aug 17 16:20:34 Weiss: OE is an adventure.. new levels are constantly being created ;) Aug 17 16:22:02 :) Aug 17 16:22:39 why do the dungeon corridors seem to be different for each character? Aug 17 16:26:22 because the basic stuff is only compiled approximately once by each person, and the sources change quite slowly, but there are so many sources to change? Aug 17 16:31:12 Is there some job in python to do for the shr? Aug 17 16:37:18 plenty Aug 17 16:37:30 is there a SHR mailing list btw? Aug 17 16:39:34 mickeyl: http://lists.projects.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-devel Aug 17 16:42:17 ah Aug 17 16:46:54 and about python dev? you said "plenty", do you have some link/info? Aug 17 16:49:28 since SHR depends on the FSO framework, which atm. is 100% python, I think you can help SHR a lot, if you look into that Aug 17 16:49:42 fixing bugs, enhancing functionality, writing more tests, etc. Aug 17 16:50:36 hum great news ;) But I don't really know where top begin :( Aug 17 16:51:20 pyknite: git.freesmartphone.org : Aug 17 16:53:03 and next I think python-helper ;) Aug 17 16:55:59 might take a look at our task tracker Aug 17 16:56:02 trac.freesmartphone.org Aug 17 16:56:18 i did not catch up with SHR's plan yet Aug 17 16:56:25 need to subscribe the ml and read the archives Aug 17 16:56:33 then i might have a better idea what needs fixing asp Aug 17 17:04:38 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r748949c4c3ae 10/mickeydbus/ (TODO mdbus): mickeydbus: add prettyprinting Aug 17 17:06:35 hum, I'm not really sure to understand how work trac and git system :( Aug 17 17:07:11 trac is just a ticket tracker. google for 'trac', there's a good website with a manual Aug 17 17:07:18 as for the git, that's just to download or browse the code Aug 17 17:07:21 bbl Aug 17 17:10:41 ok thanks for help Aug 17 17:36:26 hi, i have an initial problem with debian Aug 17 17:36:40 usb networking worked well first Aug 17 17:37:19 via ssh and empty passwd Aug 17 17:37:40 know i cannot login with an empty one Aug 17 17:37:53 okay Aug 17 17:44:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mail 07zhone * r1493f30ffb32 10/src/zhone: (log message trimmed) Aug 17 17:44:59 freesmartphone.org: Handle non-complete phone numbers in the phonebook Aug 17 17:44:59 freesmartphone.org: When comparing phone numbers to label SMS appropriately, use Aug 17 17:44:59 freesmartphone.org: this logic: Aug 17 17:44:59 freesmartphone.org: Compares two phone numbers. They are considered equal if: Aug 17 17:45:01 freesmartphone.org: a) Both start with a "+", and all following digits are equal Aug 17 17:45:03 freesmartphone.org: or Aug 17 17:49:06 or? Aug 17 17:55:19 grr.. i get "Could not obtain administrative lock Aug 17 17:56:14 " errors all through my build, but i assumed they were harmless because it hadn't sorted out the opkg stuff yet. but now, when it's packaging stuff, it's causing it to break. anyone any idea what i've missed? Aug 17 17:57:13 every time it breaks, i restart the build, and it gets past that stage and onto the next package, then breaks again Aug 17 18:26:42 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r865d08c6bcd0 10/odeviced/src/plugins/input/ (input-helpers.c input-helpers.h input-helpers.vapi): Fix call to held key timeout. TODO: Rework the logic, kinda goofed up Aug 17 18:32:06 Weiss: not root? ;) Aug 17 18:33:09 edistar: shouldn't have to be, surely (this is during the build process) Aug 17 18:34:08 oh, okey Aug 17 18:35:00 * Weiss does some truly disgusting hackery in order to debug Aug 17 18:41:30 debugging debian-style: i commented out the lock check in the source for the native opkg :) Aug 17 19:04:22 lindi-: ping Aug 17 19:09:02 Weiss: and 2 years later there will be a fix ;) Aug 17 19:11:05 goodwill: in 2 years that package won't exist anymore Aug 17 19:11:31 goodwill: this is a know problem? Aug 17 19:12:14 Weiss: erm I was making a joke about debian style debugging....which I assumed referred to the ssh fix on of their devs put in Aug 17 19:12:51 ok :) Aug 17 19:12:58 s/know/known/ Aug 17 19:13:33 goodwill: wasn't that openssl ? Aug 17 19:13:55 hmmm...I thouight it was openssh Aug 17 19:14:11 openssl iirc.. affected loads of stuff though Aug 17 19:14:16 no, openssl Aug 17 19:14:51 hmm, true Aug 17 19:21:57 which wm is running on the debian system? Aug 17 19:29:49 NOTE: build 200808171937: completed \o/ Aug 17 19:37:52 edistar: mb Aug 17 19:38:07 lindi-: okey, thanks Aug 17 19:38:16 lindi-: can it be controlled with matchbox-remote? Aug 17 19:38:23 yes Aug 17 19:38:27 good Aug 17 19:38:29 hi! Aug 17 19:38:38 I told someone that just now and it doesn't seem to work.. :/ Aug 17 19:38:41 users ;) Aug 17 19:39:07 i use it ight now Aug 17 19:39:27 yeah Aug 17 19:39:40 I'm installing via script right now, so that I have the same as everyone else Aug 17 19:40:52 about the debian package fso-utils, i have packaged fw_printenv in a package called uboot-envtools. it is in unstable since a week. Aug 17 19:41:17 okey Aug 17 19:47:14 hrm. the brioht display gives me a headache Aug 17 19:47:40 lindi-: easy to turn it down luckily Aug 17 19:49:02 is it zhone or frameworkd that controls it Aug 17 19:49:25 nothing yet afaik Aug 17 19:49:29 oh, sry Aug 17 19:49:31 frameworkd of course Aug 17 19:49:41 you can see the dbus signals if you use dbus-monitor Aug 17 19:54:45 edistar: zhone does self.display_iface.SetBrightness( 90 ) Aug 17 19:55:16 lindi-: 90? strange value Aug 17 19:55:27 yes but that's what it does Aug 17 19:55:37 if state == "BUSY": Aug 17 19:55:37 if self.display_iface is not None: Aug 17 19:55:37 self.display_iface.SetBrightness( 90 ) Aug 17 19:57:02 lindi-: obvious! frameworkd does brightness Aug 17 19:57:18 but you have to tell it to ;) Aug 17 19:58:01 and frameworkd abstracts the values.. so everything is in % Aug 17 20:05:35 i fixedd it but it was not easy with matchbox-keyboard :) Aug 17 20:33:06 lindi-: do you have any docs on matchbox? Aug 17 20:35:25 lindi-: how do I rotate now? xranr works? Aug 17 20:45:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mail 07zhone * rb9e0ec491df4 10/src/zhone: Aug 17 20:45:59 freesmartphone.org: sms: Replace newlines for list view Aug 17 20:45:59 freesmartphone.org: sms: Replace newlines for list view Aug 17 20:45:59 freesmartphone.org: In the list view, a newline in a SMS becomes an ugly square. This turns Aug 17 20:45:59 freesmartphone.org: it into a simple space. It also adds a multi-line SMS to the Aug 17 20:46:02 freesmartphone.org: offline-demo-set. Aug 17 21:25:12 edistar: xrandr -o 3 Aug 17 21:25:17 edistar: matchbox has lots of docs Aug 17 21:25:30 lindi-: okey Aug 17 21:32:51 is xserver-xfbdev supposed to be in experimental? Aug 17 21:33:37 tmzt_mp900c: seems to be. Aug 17 21:33:50 tmzt_mp900c: but not for armel. Aug 17 21:34:00 tmzt_mp900c: only for alpha amd64 hppa i386 ia64 mips powerpc sparc arm mipsel Aug 17 21:34:06 that's what I'm seeing Aug 17 21:34:33 tmzt_mp900c: is that different from both kdrive and xorg? Aug 17 21:38:10 kdrive is the ddx used by xorg, but xfbdev has a different main loop and no config file Aug 17 22:08:00 lindi-: xrandr -o 3 won't work for me Aug 17 22:11:03 edistar: it works with xglamo Aug 17 22:11:14 edistar: with xorg you can't change the rotation on the fly afaik Aug 17 22:11:21 lindi-: oh, just copy the binary? Aug 17 22:11:39 lindi-: what about the external keyboard? still have to restart xserver? Aug 17 22:11:51 i'm afraid so Aug 17 22:12:13 okey Aug 17 22:12:25 why does it work on my desktop then.. Aug 17 22:18:29 edistar: you are not using fbdev there? Aug 17 22:19:37 lindi-: afaik not Aug 17 23:08:15 lindi-: have you thought about an alternative wm to matchbox? Aug 17 23:20:06 running debian of fr, is there a module I need to load to see the bluetooth device? Aug 17 23:29:23 lindi-: could you tell me how you set up matchbox to start? either it's much too late or I just don't get it Aug 17 23:34:27 do you have a -nodm script in /etc/init.d Aug 17 23:35:29 tmzt_mp900c: no Aug 17 23:36:08 not sure, zhone-session does something but it might only be illume Aug 17 23:37:27 I'm in debian now.. Aug 17 23:38:16 zhone-session uses matchbox-window-manager Aug 17 23:39:20 running xfce right now, quite fun really ;) Aug 17 23:40:18 tmzt_mp900c: thanks for the help Aug 17 23:42:32 was easy in the end.. once you know Aug 17 23:43:11 update-rc.d whatever defaults Aug 17 23:43:32 update-rc.d -f whatever remove Aug 17 23:43:42 yeah Aug 17 23:44:23 what X server are you using? Aug 17 23:44:34 xorg Aug 17 23:44:44 with what driver? Aug 17 23:45:01 fb I guess Aug 17 23:45:04 not using xglamo Aug 18 00:26:58 Hello, anyone feel like telling me how SHR is doing at the moment? If I install from http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/images/neo1973/ , will I be mostly happy? :) Aug 18 01:01:47 hipitihop: if it's just a dependency for the gestures stuff, no probs. Aug 18 01:02:07 rwhitby, re: libnotify. I don't mean to create work or otherwise distract. yip, it is just a dependency for gestures stuff Aug 18 01:02:18 it should be in the feed now for gta02 Aug 18 01:02:44 hipitihop: no worries, just making sure that instructions are there for when I decide I want to make use of it :-) Aug 18 01:03:03 rwhitby, btw the other dependencies I noticed from this version http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/libnotify_0.4.4-r0_armv4t.ipk Aug 18 01:03:30 rwhitby, realize it is not a valid feed for this fso though. Aug 18 01:04:04 hipitihop: check if those other dependencies are already in the fso feed Aug 18 01:05:08 rwhitby, I'm guessing not as I tried to install the daily and opkg said it could not satisfy but I'll check properly now Aug 18 01:08:30 * hipitihop thinks perhaps pointing at wrong feeds http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/ipk/ still can't see libnotify Aug 18 01:16:58 rwhitby, ah I see my confusion, I'm using http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-unstable/ instead of testing. Can I just change my feeds or should I reflash with testing images ? Aug 18 01:52:46 hipitihop: unstable packages are being built now Aug 18 01:53:39 rwhitby, thanks for your efforts **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 18 02:59:57 2008