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Aug 25 03:05:11 <cjb> hrr, I wish the fso-testing maintainers would pull the glamo landscape touchscreen patch
Aug 25 05:08:48 <jackault> Why do I get a permission denied when I try to do a ./configure ?
Aug 25 05:51:32 <newb_> hi my touch screen isn't working. anyone got tips on how to fix it?
Aug 25 06:00:31 <cb22> #openmoko-cdevel != a general support channel
Aug 25 06:02:02 <newb_> cb22: yea i know but then the other channel doesn't help too much
Aug 25 08:42:09 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07zhone * re93a835df742 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added profiles applications
Aug 25 10:16:41 <quickdev> Hey
Aug 25 10:20:36 <AndreasD> quickdev: Hey
Aug 25 10:25:23 <alphaone> hey quickdev 
Aug 25 10:28:05 <methril> morning
Aug 25 10:34:44 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07zhone * r2c5f288cf0ba 10/data/themes/zhone.edc: Forgot to commit zhone.edc
Aug 25 10:39:49 <quickdev> alphaone, what about cleaning the trac? aren't there some tickets which are already fixed?
Aug 25 10:40:16 <alphaone> quickdev: Ah, indeed
Aug 25 10:44:16 <quickdev> alphaone, this can be closed, not? http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/48
Aug 25 10:59:04 <alphaone> quickdev: Yeah, that's fixed
Aug 25 11:07:46 <quickdev> alphaone, what about PDU? :)
Aug 25 11:08:23 <alphaone> Still working on it, but it's coming along nicely :-)
Aug 25 11:12:40 <quickdev> alphaone, good news :)
Aug 25 11:26:25 <nomeata> alphaone: fixed as in patch reviewd, or fixed as in commited to git?
Aug 25 11:26:55 <nomeata> alphaone: (bug http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/48)
Aug 25 11:27:52 <quickdev> nomeata, what's the bug?
Aug 25 11:28:03 <nomeata> quickdev: gps data saving and restoring (warmstart)
Aug 25 11:28:15 <quickdev> nomeata, yeah, but what exactly?
Aug 25 11:28:41 <quickdev> nomeata, it's commited
Aug 25 11:28:43 <nomeata> quickdev: well, I’m curious if the patches were applied alread
Aug 25 11:28:59 <quickdev> nomeata, http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commit;h=776f7035636f6d33eabe487584af6ca1f5954047
Aug 25 11:29:02 <nomeata> ok. I’ll see if I include them in the next debian package, if they can be easily cherry-picked
Aug 25 11:29:02 <nomeata> thx
Aug 25 11:30:44 <quickdev> nomeata, what did you mean by bug? Is there a failure in that patch?
Aug 25 11:31:14 <nomeata> quickdev: no, not at all, I meant bug as in ticket. 
Aug 25 11:31:17 <alphaone> nomeata: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/changeset/776f7035636f6d33eabe487584af6ca1f5954047
Aug 25 11:31:27 <nomeata> quickdev: influenced by debian speak :-9
Aug 25 11:31:43 <alphaone> heh
Aug 25 11:34:38 <nomeata> Nice debian screenshots hidden in webforums: http://www.freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?p=4983#p4983
Aug 25 11:37:19 <Ainulindale-> Damn connection.
Aug 25 12:16:37 <Ainulindale-> mickey|zzZZzz: Hey :-)
Aug 25 14:49:41 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: 03texitoi 07zhone * r4a13c7491709 10/src/zhone: set self.willSuspend to False at the creation of the class
Aug 25 14:49:42 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: 03info 07zhone * rc78809baf07f 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Inserted a new menu on the bottom left icon. There you can find the exit button, where you can shutdown the system.
Aug 25 14:49:43 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: 03info 07zhone * r54ffd730136a 10/src/zhone: Add a link for taking a screenshot and uploading it to scap. You have 5 seconds to go to the page you want a screenshot of.
Aug 25 14:49:44 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r9b62f2867303 10/src/zhone: (log message trimmed)
Aug 25 14:49:45 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: the python edje bindings already encode to utf-8
Aug 25 14:49:47 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: The old code breaks on systems where the python default encoding is not utf-8
Aug 25 14:49:49 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: (check the default encoding with sys.getdefaultencoding()). Debian and Gentoo
Aug 25 14:49:51 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: have acsii as the default codec. So we need do explicitly encode and decode,
Aug 25 14:49:53 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: but at the right place (which is in the python bindings for edje in this case).
Aug 25 14:49:55 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: In OE we have a patch for python-edje which handles this, i'm trying to get
Aug 25 16:00:57 <ferric> julien!
Aug 25 16:32:42 <fish_> hi
Aug 25 16:33:53 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: any comment on my mail by the way ?
Aug 25 16:34:26 <mickeyl> no, i did not have time to think about the whole issue
Aug 25 16:34:37 <Ainulindale> Ok :-)
Aug 25 16:34:46 <Ainulindale> I was merely exposing what I'd like as a user
Aug 25 16:35:15 <Ainulindale> I'd rather have some complexity on configuration, with something like an UI to help, than a simple configuration, and no possibilities
Aug 25 16:35:22 <mickeyl> *nod*
Aug 25 16:35:24 <Ainulindale> But that's only my point of view
Aug 25 16:35:46 <Ainulindale> My "matrix" idea was simple because I think it's easily implementable and visualizable
Aug 25 16:36:29 <Ainulindale> But I have the feeling that there's some redundancy regarding opreferencesd and oeventsd which has to be discussed
Aug 25 16:45:07 <mickeyl> right. we're going to release ms3 in a couple of days and then we need to step back and really think this through
Aug 25 16:45:09 <AndreasD> I'm trying to install debian-fso, but I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/d1a675aa1
Aug 25 16:45:19 <mickeyl> the whole preferences / events / device split up
Aug 25 16:46:44 <sirkha_top> yay ms3!
Aug 25 16:48:21 <Sargun> If you hypothetically didn't have NOR, how would you edit the root flash partition?
Aug 25 16:51:38 <nomeata> AndreasD: seems like some packages are not yet built for armel. keep watching http://buildd.debian.org/pkg.cgi?pkg=ncurses or http://packages.qa.debian.org/libn/libncurses5.html until the armel binary appears.
Aug 25 16:52:07 * nomeata → dinner
Aug 25 16:52:29 <AndreasD> nomeata: okay, thanks
Aug 25 16:53:09 <Sargun> How do you make uBoot boot SD card by default?
Aug 25 17:01:24 <bricode> Sargun: Need to modify the u-boot_env
Aug 25 17:02:16 <bricode> Sargun: I grabbed my u-boot env by using dfu-util, modified it, then uploaded it back to the phone.
Aug 25 17:02:18 <Sargun> in the NOR?
Aug 25 17:02:25 <Sargun> or NAND?
Aug 25 17:02:34 <bricode> I did the NAND one.
Aug 25 17:02:43 <Sargun> ah
Aug 25 17:15:32 <johnsu01> hm.. looking at the source it seems like the only phonebook in FSO currently is the SIM card?
Aug 25 17:17:34 <alphaone> grmbl...
Aug 25 17:17:49 <alphaone> <insert random GSM spec rant here>
Aug 25 17:18:28 <alphaone> What kinds of people write such "standards"?
Aug 25 17:18:43 <alphaone> johnsu01: That is right
Aug 25 17:19:11 <mickeyl> alphaone: companies
Aug 25 17:19:13 <mickeyl> alphaone: old men
Aug 25 17:19:52 * johnsu01 wonders if it's possible to rotate the screen under debian
Aug 25 17:19:57 <johnsu01> with X
Aug 25 17:22:48 <lindi-> johnsu01: with xorg.conf yes
Aug 25 17:23:15 <alphaone> xrandr?
Aug 25 17:23:21 <alphaone> xrandr -o 1
Aug 25 17:23:37 <lindi-> no xrandr
Aug 25 17:24:07 <alphaone> oh
Aug 25 17:24:13 <alphaone> apt-get install xrandr ?
Aug 25 17:25:08 <lindi-> alphaone: doesn't work with xorg fbdev driver
Aug 25 17:32:57 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rfe1545c0b449 10/odeviced/src/plugins/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
Aug 25 17:32:57 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: 1.) Make idlenotifier low priority
Aug 25 17:32:57 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: 2.) Input: refactor the event_q as a public member of Input class
Aug 25 17:32:57 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: (better gc)
Aug 25 17:32:57 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: FIXME: idlenotifer state machine transition seems to be too fast for
Aug 25 17:33:01 <CIA-20> freesmartphone.org: input plugin to handle
Aug 25 17:33:31 <alphaone> lindi-: Really?
Aug 25 17:33:39 <alphaone> It does so in OE
Aug 25 17:36:11 <lindi-> alphaone: didn't it use Xfbdev?
Aug 25 17:39:37 <alphaone> lindi-: it did
Aug 25 18:08:25 <lindi-> alphaone: but that's different from xserver-xorg-video-fbdev?
Aug 25 18:09:49 <retracile> lindi-: got a snippet for the xorg.conf-based rotation handy?
Aug 25 18:10:47 <lindi-> retracile: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/debian.txt mentions it
Aug 25 18:13:56 <retracile> lindi-: Great; thanks.
Aug 25 18:55:15 <sirkha_top> are the gadgets in illume much different from normal e17 gadgets?
Aug 25 20:05:16 <edistar> sirkha_top: no
Aug 25 21:22:10 <w_erase> Hi... can someone tell me how ompower should behave ? 
Aug 25 21:33:54 <johnsu01> hm, just occurred to me that I didn't really check this, is the qtopia firmware all free software as well?
Aug 25 21:34:49 <mwester> Nope, your bill should be arriving in the mail anytime now.
Aug 25 21:35:26 <johnsu01> free as in freedom :)
Aug 25 21:35:29 <mwester> But if you mean from a license POV, yes, it's fine.  As long as you don't use it commercially.
Aug 25 21:35:35 <johnsu01> hm
Aug 25 21:35:41 <johnsu01> that's not free
Aug 25 21:35:50 <mwester> GPL IIRC.
Aug 25 21:35:52 <johnsu01> where are you getting this commercial restriction from?
Aug 25 21:36:01 <johnsu01> commercial use is fine under the GPL
Aug 25 21:36:05 <mwester> Check the trolltech page
Aug 25 21:36:16 <mwester> I'm not a license guru, but I know there are restrictions.
Aug 25 21:36:34 <johnsu01> maybe you're just thinking of the fact that they do dual-licensing
Aug 25 21:37:38 <johnsu01> looks like it's all gpl
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