**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 08 02:59:57 2008
Sep 08 05:23:08 <hil__> hi all.. i'm trying to backup the rootfs from the Freerunner using boot from NOR method. The dfu-util has managed to backup the kernel, uboot, uboot-env and splash. The rootfs has still working and its been 40 minutes. can anyone tell me if this is usual? 
Sep 08 05:23:29 <hil__> (i'm backing up the default rootfs that ships with Freerunner) 
Sep 08 05:24:17 <hil__> this just in: i've got an error dfu_upload erro -84 ... seaching for it now
Sep 08 05:25:09 <rwhitby> upload doesn't work
Sep 08 05:25:25 <hil__> :O 
Sep 08 05:25:41 <hil__> doesn't work? not at all? i've got the rest of the stuff alright 
Sep 08 05:27:13 <rwhitby> it fails after a certain amount
Sep 08 05:27:27 <rwhitby> there's nothing in rootfs that you need to keep anyway
Sep 08 05:28:04 <rwhitby> hil__: just ssh in, and take a copy of /dev/mtdblockX files
Sep 08 05:28:17 <hil__> alright. 
Sep 08 05:28:20 <hil__> i'll try that 
Sep 08 05:29:50 <hil__> i have 0-6 mtdblockX files... do I backup all of them? which one is the rootfs? 
Sep 08 05:31:03 <rwhitby> the big one
Sep 08 05:31:07 <rwhitby> cat /proc/mtd to see
Sep 08 05:31:12 <rwhitby> or check dmesg
Sep 08 05:32:07 <hil__> ok. got it 
Sep 08 05:38:16 <paulproteus> ieatlint, Howdy.
Sep 08 05:42:28 <hil__> ls
Sep 08 05:43:04 <hil__> (sorry... wrong keyboard) 
Sep 08 05:44:38 <ieatlint> hi
Sep 08 05:54:46 <ieatlint> paulproteus, forgive me, but do i know you?
Sep 08 05:59:35 <paulproteus> Yeah, I'm Asheesh from SF-LUG.
Sep 08 05:59:37 <paulproteus> (-:
Sep 08 06:00:19 <paulproteus> Anyway, I just finished up some tech work for freeculture.org and am exhausted.  Tomorrow morning I will again at ext3grepping my /home filesystem, and then later at liblate.
Sep 08 06:06:42 <ieatlint> ok
Sep 08 06:06:52 <ieatlint> and hey :)
Sep 08 06:08:47 <ieatlint> thanks to the inspiration of your obfuscated code, i am currently using said to replace all variables from a=0; to (&a)[0]>>=sizeof(a)*8-1;
Sep 08 06:15:13 <paulproteus> Frickin' sweet.
Sep 08 06:16:36 <paulproteus> A+++ would obfuscate again
Sep 08 06:26:13 <ieatlint> thanks to the inspiration of your obfuscated code, i am currently using said to replace all variables from a=0; to (&a)[0]>>=sizeof(a)*8-1;
Sep 08 06:26:16 <ieatlint> blah
Sep 08 13:33:33 <quickdev> Hey
Sep 08 13:35:54 <quickdev> AndreasD, here?
Sep 08 13:36:45 <AndreasD> quickdev: yes
Sep 08 13:41:42 <quickdev> AndreasD, in order to compile my lib with the toolchain I need some additional libraries. I installed them into the toolchain, but how do I know which libraries I have to copy to my neo later on? Or is the wrong way I'm going? ;)
Sep 08 13:41:50 <quickdev> *is it
Sep 08 13:43:43 <AndreasD> you should add those libs to the Depends: line in the control file, and see step 5 in http://andreasdalsgaard.blogspot.com/
Sep 08 13:45:33 <quickdev> AndreasD, ah, ok :) when using om-conf it assumes /usr as prefix. Is there a configuration file or where is om-conf getting it's variables from? I was unable to find it.
Sep 08 13:47:44 <quickdev> ah, got it.
Sep 08 14:01:24 <quickdev> AndreasD, I'm trying to compile efl in the toolchain. For that I need zlib, but it fails: http://rafb.net/p/P7drkD91.html Any suggestions?
Sep 08 14:14:13 <AndreasD> quickdev: sorry I'm back
Sep 08 14:14:27 <quickdev> AndreasD, zlib compiled - strange thing.
Sep 08 14:15:19 <AndreasD> quickdev: yeah it has a strange build system
Sep 08 14:15:50 <AndreasD> but I don't really understand why zlib isn't in the repo
Sep 08 14:18:14 <quickdev> AndreasD, in which repository? toolchain?
Sep 08 14:18:37 <AndreasD> yes
Sep 08 14:19:52 <AndreasD> quickdev: install either libz-dev or libz1
Sep 08 14:20:26 <quickdev> AndreasD, via source? I managed to  install zlib, but there's another problem now, hehe ;)
Sep 08 14:20:31 <AndreasD> look under "Add packages to the openmoko-toolchain:" in http://andreasdalsgaard.blogspot.com/
Sep 08 14:23:04 <AndreasD> quickdev: what's the other problem?
Sep 08 14:25:16 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r74df5cb939ee 10/data/themes/zhone.edc: reposition main screen icons
Sep 08 14:25:33 <quickdev> AndreasD, with opkg-target I'm able to install packages into my toolchain? So I do not need to compile things. Problem solved ;)
Sep 08 14:26:24 <AndreasD> quickdev: yes, create :-)
Sep 08 14:27:10 <AndreasD> s/create/great
Sep 08 14:29:25 <AndreasD> quickdev: I have to go, see you later or tomorrow
Sep 08 14:29:35 <quickdev> AndreasD, thanks, see you.
Sep 08 14:43:11 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r992818f5349c 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): add date button (disabled for now)
Sep 08 15:31:20 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r68780a48f6d3 10/odeviced/src/plugins/idlenotifier/ (4 files): Fix state machine transitions in the idlenotifier plugin
Sep 08 15:31:20 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * ra0091e987cb1 10/odeviced/src/plugins/idlenotifier/idlenotifier.vala: Remove redundant method
Sep 08 15:31:21 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rab9996b7cbdc 10/odeviced/src/plugins/powercontrol/powercontrol.vala: Fix correct DBus object path for UsbHost
Sep 08 16:05:59 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03abraxa 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r10d67503b18c 10/opimd/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Sep 08 16:05:59 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: Remove unnecessary *_threads_init() calls
Sep 08 16:05:59 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: Do not remove '+' characters from phone numbers
Sep 08 16:05:59 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: Fix comments on same lines as code
Sep 08 16:06:01 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: Make GObject callbacks return proper values
Sep 08 16:06:03 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: Change signature for GetMultipleResults() from a{ia{sv}} to (a{sv})
Sep 08 16:06:05 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: Fix wrong indentation for SingleQueryHandler.check_new_message()
Sep 08 17:22:27 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc36ffb170474 10/tools/makedoc.py: relicense makedoc.py and add notice
Sep 08 17:22:27 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r5d6783c7a612 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
Sep 08 17:22:27 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call: fix parameter direction in Emergency() call and add some docs
Sep 08 17:22:27 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM: correct description of mandatory element in GetSimInfo (s/imei/imsi)
Sep 08 17:22:31 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: Thanks Thomas Seiler for spotting.
Sep 08 18:02:48 <admiral0> hi everybody
Sep 08 18:22:03 <admiral0> anybody knows how to stop the kayboard appearing automatically?
Sep 08 18:23:45 <admiral0> ..
Sep 08 18:24:21 <admiral0> nobody knows it.. but in the FSO image the keyboard doesn't appear automatically
Sep 08 18:24:43 <admiral0> (nobody knows how to change this behaviour)
Sep 08 18:28:02 <abraxa_> admiral0: Depends on your distro of choice
Sep 08 18:29:00 <admiral0> abraxa_: OM 2008
Sep 08 18:32:52 <admiral0> abraxa_: please tell me you know how to do it...
Sep 08 18:33:11 <abraxa_> I don't, unfortunately
Sep 08 18:33:18 <admiral0> doh
Sep 08 18:33:20 <abraxa_> I'm avoiding 2008.8 like the plague
Sep 08 18:33:41 <admiral0> why?
Sep 08 18:34:07 <abraxa_> Cause it's Sean's "my way or highway" bullshit
Sep 08 18:34:28 <abraxa_> It's the reason why raster quit, and that's freaking dumb
Sep 08 18:35:58 <admiral0> abraxa_: i agree with you
Sep 08 18:36:54 <admiral0> but it's not bad. I put on illume-keyboard (thank you raster)
Sep 08 18:37:08 * mwester avoids 2008.8 because it was a useless marketing ploy to begin with, but mostly because it doesn't work at all.
Sep 08 18:37:38 <admiral0> mwester: i'm sorry mwester... it works
Sep 08 18:37:51 <mwester> Not here.
Sep 08 18:38:12 <admiral0> but it doesn't mean it is perfect. And i hate the way they treated raster
Sep 08 18:38:14 <CM> not on my gta01 either
Sep 08 18:38:39 <admiral0> i would have quit too
Sep 08 18:38:41 <mwester> The old 2007.2 works, but 2008.8 won't register properly with any of my three SIM cards.
Sep 08 18:46:37 <admiral0> shr is very promising... 
Sep 08 18:47:29 <admiral0> the only thing that i don't like is the gtk interface: slow as hell
Sep 08 19:01:37 <wurp2|gone> wow, I didn't know raster quit
Sep 08 19:01:40 <wurp2|gone> Although I'm not surprised
Sep 08 19:02:13 <sirkha_top> wurp2|working: quit what?
Sep 08 19:02:19 <wurp2|working> working for OM
Sep 08 19:02:55 <sirkha_top> ah, doesn't surprise me at all given a convo i had with him yesterday
Sep 08 19:03:13 <wurp2|working> hrm, so he quit between yesterday & today?
Sep 08 19:03:16 <wurp2|working> no wonder I didn't know
Sep 08 19:03:25 <sirkha_top> didn't realize he was actualy ever working for them...
Sep 08 19:03:59 <wurp2|working> yeah... I thought that was why there was the big push for E on ASU/2008.8
Sep 08 19:04:18 <sirkha_top> *shrugs* e is just awesome
Sep 08 19:04:24 <wurp2|working> He had been working for them for a long time
Sep 08 19:04:39 <sirkha_top> where did you see that he had quit?
Sep 08 19:04:42 <abraxa_> http://www.vergenet.net/~raster/
Sep 08 19:04:58 <wurp2|working> e is awesome, but they had a fully working (bar some gsm stability problems) suite, which they threw away to start doing E only work
Sep 08 19:05:19 <wurp2|working> I swa it in the conversation here... according to my logs, you were in the room too when it was discussed
Sep 08 19:05:29 <wurp2|working>  s/swa/saw/
Sep 08 19:05:55 <sirkha_top> hmm
Sep 08 19:06:24 <sirkha_top> e+fso will be my platform of choice
Sep 08 19:06:33 <sirkha_top> but i've been using e17 on my desktop for ages
Sep 08 19:06:57 <sirkha_top> kinda volunteered to do some work on it, too messing with the module cofiguration code
Sep 08 19:08:54 <sirkha_top> sucks for om, though, raster is one of the best software people i know
Sep 08 19:09:40 <wurp2|working> well, fso is not intended to be a full featured release
Sep 08 19:10:42 <sirkha_top> but i mean the fso stuff for phone interaction
Sep 08 19:11:03 <sirkha_top> it obviously isn't meant to be a full distribuition
Sep 08 19:11:53 <wurp2|working> Well, even zhone isn't intended to be a full phone app, afaik
Sep 08 19:12:02 <wurp2|working> just to show off the dbus back end
Sep 08 19:12:20 <sirkha_top> i know, there will have to be a proper dialer
Sep 08 19:13:07 <wurp2|working> Of course, I'd love to see someone give it the little bit extra it needs... if that could be done w/o compromising the ability to demo frameworkd, I'm sure Mickey would be all for it
Sep 08 19:13:09 <sirkha_top> what i mean, is that i want a platform using e for the wm, and fso for doing what the fso stuff does (maybe a c version)
Sep 08 19:13:43 <wurp2|working> Yeah, that's supposed to be what SHR is for
Sep 08 19:13:50 <wurp2|working> The first release is just focusing on the fso part
Sep 08 19:14:01 <sirkha_top> yeah
Sep 08 19:14:07 <wurp2|working> but it was always intended to pull in the nice wm and gui tk stuff from asu (2008.8)
Sep 08 19:14:10 <sirkha_top> but it uses gtk for all the aps :-p
Sep 08 19:14:13 <wurp2|working> eventually
Sep 08 19:14:26 <sirkha_top> yeah
Sep 08 19:14:36 <wurp2|working> yeah, just because in theory that was gonna be much faster to get a release out the door
Sep 08 19:14:39 <wurp2|working> :-/
Sep 08 19:14:58 <sirkha_top> i've decided to work on the wm, and modules/gadgets for it that revolve around fso
Sep 08 19:15:13 <wurp2|working> cool!
Sep 08 19:15:48 <sirkha_top> first the module code needs some work to implement a couple of fixme's
Sep 08 20:38:59 <rwhitby> bearstech is still down
Sep 08 20:47:33 <pjz> :(
Sep 08 20:48:14 <rwhitby> I've replaced it with http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/freesmartphone/ and http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/images/freesmartphone/
Sep 08 20:48:40 <rwhitby> fso-testing is built, and starting fso-unstable now
Sep 08 20:50:37 * torindel added pic to wiki: http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/646/80330048oy9.jpg ;]
Sep 08 20:54:37 <torindel> anyone got any idea how to make good photo of moko screen with shitty 3Mpix camera? -__-
Sep 08 20:56:07 <pjz> torindel: get a screenshot app and ditch the camera
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