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Sep 20 05:26:38 <rwhitby> mickey|sofa: any objections to putting tzdata and ntpclient in fso-image ?
Sep 20 05:26:58 <rwhitby> (and also something that sets /etc/resolv.conf to 192.168.0.200 by default?
Sep 20 05:37:19 <rwhitby> (I'm also going to stop gllin filling up flash with gps.gz and nmea log files sometime)
Sep 20 06:29:33 <quickdev> Hey
Sep 20 06:30:43 <AndreasD> Hi quickdev
Sep 20 06:30:59 <quickdev> how are you? :)
Sep 20 06:31:33 <AndreasD> I'm great, you? :-)
Sep 20 06:31:44 <quickdev> too
Sep 20 06:33:17 <quickdev> struggling with a automake issue..it seems it's a cross compile bug of ltmain.sh
Sep 20 06:33:51 <AndreasD> what's the problem?
Sep 20 06:34:10 <quickdev> /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libdbus-1.la: No such file or directory
Sep 20 06:34:10 <quickdev> libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libdbus-1.la' is not a valid libtool archive
Sep 20 06:34:15 <AndreasD> ah
Sep 20 06:34:19 <AndreasD> libtool
Sep 20 06:34:27 <quickdev> may I send you the directory and you try to compile it?
Sep 20 06:34:37 <AndreasD> libtool and cross compile is not at good match
Sep 20 06:34:45 <AndreasD> yes
Sep 20 06:34:55 <quickdev> is there an alternative?
Sep 20 06:35:00 <AndreasD> no
Sep 20 06:35:04 <AndreasD> not really
Sep 20 06:35:48 <AndreasD> are you using the deb to try and compile?
Sep 20 06:36:22 <quickdev> I used om-conf and make
Sep 20 06:36:57 <AndreasD> okay, which version of the toolchain are you using?
Sep 20 06:38:08 <quickdev> how do I find that out?
Sep 20 06:38:30 <quickdev> I think I'm using the official toolchain from downloads.openmoko
Sep 20 06:38:42 <AndreasD> did you install the deb or did you use a tarball?
Sep 20 06:39:10 <AndreasD> hmm try the deb, it solves the issue
Sep 20 06:39:37 <AndreasD> or it works around it :-)
Sep 20 06:40:12 <quickdev> I think I'm using: openmoko-toolchain_0.20080521-ubuntu5_i386.deb
Sep 20 06:40:32 <quickdev>  dpkg -l | grep toolchain
Sep 20 06:40:32 <quickdev> rc  openmoko                                   i686-arm-linux-gnueabi-toolchain-2       Converted Slackware tgz package
Sep 20 06:40:32 <quickdev> ii  openmoko-toolchain                         0.20080521-ubuntu5                       Toolchain for openmoko OM-2007.2 bug fixing 
Sep 20 06:41:12 <AndreasD> could you try and update to ubuntu6
Sep 20 06:41:36 <quickdev> yes, email sent to you btw.
Sep 20 06:41:58 <AndreasD> yes, just figuring out which packages I need to install
Sep 20 06:42:17 <quickdev> not many ;)
Sep 20 06:42:49 <quickdev> edje, ecore, evas
Sep 20 06:44:18 <AndreasD> in progress, just have to update some packages
Sep 20 06:44:39 <quickdev> ok, thanks in advance
Sep 20 06:44:45 <AndreasD> np
Sep 20 06:45:00 <quickdev> yesterday, I tried to find the solution for hours
Sep 20 06:45:10 <quickdev> but I didn't work
Sep 20 06:48:06 <AndreasD> I spent a couple of days making the deb version of the toolchain
Sep 20 06:48:17 <AndreasD> most of the time was spent on hacking libtool
Sep 20 06:48:29 <AndreasD> libtool = magic
Sep 20 06:49:40 <quickdev> seems so..
Sep 20 06:50:18 <AndreasD> actually the word magic is used ~45 times in libtool
Sep 20 06:50:49 <AndreasD> sometimes you'll see some_magic_var = other_magic_var
Sep 20 06:50:58 <quickdev> hrr ;)
Sep 20 06:53:31 <quickdev> it's a pitty that it has to be spend much time on things that aren't related to your application development
Sep 20 06:53:58 <quickdev> AndreasD, and..? any problems?
Sep 20 06:54:41 <hil__> hey... I'm having trouble with the asu image... this pixman package is failing do_compile ... "moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libcairo.so: undefined reference to `pixman_format_supported_destination'" 
Sep 20 06:54:43 <AndreasD> agreed, I'm working a bit on making SHR working on Debian FSO
Sep 20 06:54:53 <hil__> anyone else having this problem 
Sep 20 06:55:02 <AndreasD> quickdev: I get, libtool: link: `incoming-call.lo' is not a valid libtool object
Sep 20 06:56:16 <quickdev> run om-conf and make clean, got that, too but somehow I make it disappear
Sep 20 07:01:16 <hil__> ok. this thing has started working but pixman can't be installed now... "no rule to make target "install"" ... :( 
Sep 20 07:01:23 <hil__> why can that be? 
Sep 20 07:02:01 <quickdev> AndreasD, still the same error?
Sep 20 07:02:40 <AndreasD> quickdev: I just had to update lfg
Sep 20 07:03:09 <quickdev> AndreasD, "RELEASE" was not accepted? :)
Sep 20 07:03:17 <AndreasD> yep
Sep 20 07:06:08 <quickdev> AndreasD, ubuntu6 toolchain downloaded. Should I uninstall the old one?
Sep 20 07:06:30 <AndreasD> hmm does not seem to resolve it
Sep 20 07:08:05 <quickdev> AndreasD, I think libtool tries to find the dependencies by looking into the *.la files. And there is obviously a .la file which points to /usr/lib/ instead of /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ ?
Sep 20 07:09:07 <AndreasD> It'll find both, but the hacks should make it pick the one in the toolchain
Sep 20 07:10:08 <quickdev> AndreasD, http://rafb.net/p/68y8yC48.html
Sep 20 07:10:53 <quickdev> that has to be the file
Sep 20 07:11:23 <quickdev> AndreasD, hacks are applied to what? libtool?
Sep 20 07:11:30 <AndreasD> yes, I know
Sep 20 07:12:02 <quickdev> maybe I misconfigured something in the configure.ac or the Makefile.am's?
Sep 20 07:12:18 <AndreasD> yes, check /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/libtool
Sep 20 07:12:21 <AndreasD> nope
Sep 20 07:14:56 <AndreasD> hmm could you try and fix the warnings
Sep 20 07:14:57 <quickdev> AndreasD, what about this: http://rafb.net/p/HJ8vaH38.html
Sep 20 07:17:53 <AndreasD> quickdev: I think we really want to hack libtool
Sep 20 07:18:05 <AndreasD> we shouldn't have to do any special to cross compile
Sep 20 07:18:15 <quickdev> yes, you're right
Sep 20 07:19:02 <AndreasD> btw. I only have  ~5min battery on my laptop
Sep 20 07:19:23 <quickdev> AndreasD, may it be the ltmain.sh script? it handles some dependencies
Sep 20 07:19:30 <quickdev> AndreasD, then you're off?
Sep 20 07:19:55 <AndreasD> yep a couple of hours
Sep 20 07:20:20 <quickdev> damn ;)
Sep 20 07:20:39 <AndreasD> yes
Sep 20 07:20:48 <AndreasD> maybe only one hour
Sep 20 07:21:32 <AndreasD> but try copy another *.la file to /usr/lib/libdbus-1.la
Sep 20 07:22:15 <AndreasD> and try fixing the warnings
Sep 20 07:23:36 <quickdev> AndreasD, isn't it libdbus-glib?
Sep 20 07:23:50 <quickdev> libdbus-1 is not found..because there is an error before?
Sep 20 07:25:00 <AndreasD> no, but I'm not sure it's actually the error, it'll find the libdbus-1.la in the toolchain
Sep 20 07:25:36 <AndreasD> It just tells us that there /usr/lib/libdbus-1.la is not a valid libtool archieve
Sep 20 07:25:56 <quickdev> because it's not found
Sep 20 07:27:13 <quickdev> I fix the warnings
Sep 20 07:28:18 <AndreasD> great, I'll try and get some power
Sep 20 08:25:21 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r74dad0ddb9e9 10/fsod/ (7 files in 6 dirs): 
Sep 20 08:25:21 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add support for enable_subsystems key
Sep 20 08:25:21 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 2.) Handle some unhandled errors
Sep 20 08:25:21 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 3.) Add Time subsystem to the make scripts
Sep 20 08:25:21 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r2ac3c836ebea 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Time/ (Makefile.am Time.vala): Add Time subsystem
Sep 20 08:32:13 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r9eb8854a01e3 10/ (145 files in 45 dirs): 
Sep 20 08:32:13 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 1.) add a missing Makefile.am
Sep 20 08:32:13 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 2.) re-organize the repository a bit
Sep 20 08:55:38 <quickdev> Has anyone the libts*.la file in his toolchain? libts-dev package seems to be broken.  ls /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libts*.la
Sep 20 08:57:00 <quickdev> ah, solved irt
Sep 20 08:57:04 <quickdev> *it
Sep 20 09:26:11 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r35ab40a79d27 10/fsod/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Fix return type of request_name
Sep 20 09:43:50 <quickdev> Sup3rkiddo, do you get ahead well? :)
Sep 20 09:44:43 <Sup3rkiddo> quickdev, :D, na not really..
Sep 20 09:45:01 <quickdev> what are you doing atm if I may ask?
Sep 20 09:45:38 <Sup3rkiddo> quickdev, nothing, just watching tv....
Sep 20 09:46:29 <Sup3rkiddo> quickdev, are you one of the SHR dudes?
Sep 20 09:46:47 <quickdev> partly, atm I'm coding an efl dialer
Sep 20 09:48:08 <Sup3rkiddo> quickdev, ah ok..
Sep 20 09:48:11 <quickdev> Sup3rkiddo, are you coming from germany?
Sep 20 09:48:24 <Sup3rkiddo> quickdev, no, i come from chennai, India
Sep 20 09:48:41 <quickdev> ah, far away :)
Sep 20 09:49:07 <quickdev> what are you studying?
Sep 20 09:49:12 <Sup3rkiddo> well, lag says 2 seconds...its far alright
Sep 20 09:49:33 <Sup3rkiddo> quickdev, final year in CS
Sep 20 09:49:55 <quickdev> CS is computer sciences?
Sep 20 09:50:15 <Sup3rkiddo> yep
Sep 20 09:53:56 <quickdev> Sup3rkiddo, what do you plan to do after university? If it's not too private :)
Sep 20 10:00:27 <islandescape> I'm looking for info how to mount the build in flash when running debian
Sep 20 10:00:53 <islandescape> I have no clue what device I should take. 
Sep 20 10:04:25 <AndreasD_> quickdev: I'm back, still having problems?
Sep 20 10:04:57 <quickdev> AndreasD_, I solved it by replacing all /usr/lib with /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib. But wait.
Sep 20 10:05:11 <quickdev> AndreasD_, http://www.metastatic.org/text/libtool.html
Sep 20 10:05:58 <AndreasD_> I've seen that page, I think I found it when I worked on the deb toolchain
Sep 20 10:07:02 <quickdev> "You likely won't need the libtool files any more when you install (if you're targeting an embedded Linux system), so you don't care if those files are correct once installed on the target. You'll probably just remove them from the final image, anyway."
Sep 20 10:08:15 <AndreasD_> however the resolution with sed is bit problematic when allowing people to install libs in the toolchain
Sep 20 10:09:39 <AndreasD_> but well, I'll trying to get SHR working on Debian
Sep 20 10:09:43 <quickdev> yes, it is..
Sep 20 10:09:53 <AndreasD_> +be 
Sep 20 10:23:43 <quickdev> Ainulindale, here?
Sep 20 11:11:38 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I need your help..
Sep 20 11:44:31 * rwhitby runs emacs on the GTA01 to edit nmea.py
Sep 20 11:57:58 <Sup3rkiddo> rwhitby, got bt keyboard?
Sep 20 11:58:44 <rwhitby> Sup3rkiddo: nope, but I got a Treo650 which can ssh via BT dund
Sep 20 11:58:53 <Sup3rkiddo> ah ok
Sep 20 11:58:56 <Sup3rkiddo> brrr
Sep 20 11:59:35 <rwhitby> actually, I'm running Putty on a Windows laptop sshing to OpenWrt running on a Freecom router, sshing to the GTA01 via usb, and running emacs on the GTA01
Sep 20 11:59:56 <rwhitby> (using agent forwarding so my ssh keys are only stored on the laptop)
Sep 20 12:01:49 <rwhitby> mickey|sofa: any objections to putting tzdata and ntpclient in fso-image ?
Sep 20 12:01:55 <rwhitby> (and also something that sets /etc/resolv.conf to 192.168.0.200 by default?
Sep 20 12:13:12 <mickeyl> sounds good
Sep 20 12:13:34 <mickeyl> lets do the 192.168.0.200 in the dirtyfixes
Sep 20 12:13:38 <mickeyl> (fso-postprocess)
Sep 20 12:13:38 <mickeyl> for now
Sep 20 12:15:02 <rwhitby> nod
Sep 20 12:15:36 <rwhitby> the way I currently do it is with an 'up' clause in /etc/network/interfaces
Sep 20 12:15:45 <rwhitby> any better ideas than that?
Sep 20 12:16:28 <mickeyl> not offhand. need to think about a lot of networking anyways soon
Sep 20 12:16:37 <mickeyl> as fso is not using any network manager yet
Sep 20 12:16:42 <mickeyl> i need to educate myself on what's availabgle
Sep 20 12:16:46 <mickeyl> and what we can (ab)use
Sep 20 12:17:17 <rwhitby> I couldn't work out how to get network manager to understand usb0 on my ubuntu desktop, so I just turned it off and edited /etc/network/interfaces by hand.
Sep 20 12:19:05 <mickeyl> sounds familiar to me
Sep 20 12:19:52 <rwhitby> hmm - editing /etc/network/interfaces is not going to easy in fso-image.bb - can we just do a om-specific interfaces file somewhere?  (I wonder which package provides that file...)
Sep 20 12:20:26 <mickeyl> netbase?
Sep 20 12:20:42 <rwhitby> ah, yes, just found it.
Sep 20 12:20:52 <rwhitby> I'd like to just put it in there for the moment
Sep 20 14:02:15 <Sup3rkiddo> mickey|bbiab, hi, could you please look at the controller for fsod and offer comments when you are bored?, its in fsod.vala...
Sep 20 14:02:36 <mickey|bbiab> ok, something for the flight
Sep 20 14:02:40 * mickey|bbiab downloads
Sep 20 14:20:20 <alphaone> mickey|bbiab: No registering to GSM Basestations on final approach!
Sep 20 14:22:28 <mickey|bbiab> ?
Sep 20 14:30:54 <rwhitby> alphaone: have you been flaunting FAA regulations again?
Sep 20 14:34:38 <sirkha> trying to use bluez with dbus on the milestone 2 and 3 images, i get weird behavior on device discovery, when i tell it to discover devices, i get the signals for device discovery started and device discovery completed with almost no delay in between, any idea how to make it scan for longer?
Sep 20 14:34:42 <alphaone> rwhitby: No, I don't want mickey to steal the show when I watch Airplane! during flight :-)
Sep 20 14:39:52 <alphaone> sirkha: Is bluetooth powered?
Sep 20 14:40:00 <sirkha> alphaone: yes
Sep 20 14:40:32 <alphaone> hmm
Sep 20 14:40:34 <sirkha> (at least i assume if i power it up using frameworkd and check to see if it has power with the same that it is powered)
Sep 20 14:41:30 <sirkha> alphaone: does it work for you, correctly?
Sep 20 15:00:59 <mickey|shower> sirkha: bluetooth is on the list of things we're going to check pretty soon (FSO)
Sep 20 19:50:41 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r706375966eaa 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: ogsmd: add FIXME for missing state, report internal error in log as well
Sep 20 19:50:41 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r98de5b59555f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/gprs.py: ogsmd: add database with gprs settings
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