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Sep 27 05:30:12 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r55c9246002fc 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: ogpsd: use the persist module for storing aiding data
Sep 27 05:30:12 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r6d461349a3a9 10/ (etc/freesmartphone/persist/README setup.py): conf: add readme file for the persist directory and ship it
Sep 27 06:43:45 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5736992b5130 10/ (ChangeLog conf/example/frameworkd.conf framework/config.py): support configurable global debug log destination
Sep 27 09:47:04 <quickdev> Hey
Sep 27 10:18:09 <quickdev> Ainulindale, how are you? :)
Sep 27 10:21:27 <Ainulindale> Fine and there
Sep 27 10:23:01 <quickdev> fine, too
Sep 27 10:23:16 <Ainulindale> Sorry, forgot to ask, I just woke up =)
Sep 27 10:23:29 <Ainulindale> Going to fix myself a coffee to survive some more
Sep 27 10:23:39 <quickdev> hehe :)
Sep 27 10:25:49 <quickdev> do have some minutes over the course of your day to talk about the ophonekitd - libphonegui api? :)
Sep 27 10:26:28 <Ainulindale> I have now
Sep 27 10:26:49 <Ainulindale> (Mainly because it's saturday and my girlfriend is exceptionnaly working today)
Sep 27 10:27:48 <quickdev> ah, fine
Sep 27 10:28:21 <quickdev> I got the IncomingMessage callback working. I changed the bus from sms to sim
Sep 27 10:28:41 <Ainulindale> There was a discussion about that a while ago
Sep 27 10:30:21 <quickdev> when ophonekitd detects an incoming message it should call a function of libframeworkd-phonegui, right? I'm asking because till now all functions (phonegui_incoming_call_show(), phonegui_incoming_call_ui_hide()) had a hide() complement, but this doesn't make sense for message display, right?
Sep 27 10:30:46 <Ainulindale> You're wrong :-)
Sep 27 10:31:01 <Ainulindale> It doesn't make sense to you because you already know how you want to warn the user
Sep 27 10:31:10 <Ainulindale> What if I want to display a messagebox with a close button ?
Sep 27 10:31:15 <Ainulindale> Which is stupid of course but could happen
Sep 27 10:31:28 <Ainulindale> And what if I want to close it automatically after 10 seconds through ophonekitd ?
Sep 27 10:32:33 <quickdev> hm, but ophonekitd has no signal which indicates something like "call released". What do you think about?
Sep 27 10:32:50 <Ainulindale> Yes there is
Sep 27 10:32:55 <Ainulindale> For call released
Sep 27 10:33:01 <Ainulindale> There's the call status handler
Sep 27 10:33:08 <quickdev> yes, but not for "message released"
Sep 27 10:33:42 <Ainulindale> (I knew you would lead the conversation to that :-p)
Sep 27 10:34:35 <Ainulindale> Even if the event isn't currently implemented nor will eventually exist
Sep 27 10:34:37 <quickdev> call show/hide makes sense, but not for messages 
Sep 27 10:34:49 <Ainulindale> And even if, and I agree, it could make no sense
Sep 27 10:35:01 <Ainulindale> As a big part of the library will be show/hide
Sep 27 10:35:08 <Ainulindale> and they're functionnaly simple to understand
Sep 27 10:35:34 <Ainulindale> I would like to duplicate this logic for everything even if it implies to intentionnaly write empty functions
Sep 27 10:35:55 <Ainulindale> I didn't thought this through though so once again I'm open to discussion
Sep 27 10:37:07 <quickdev> messageSent would be another candidate
Sep 27 10:37:29 <Ainulindale> Anyway writing what I just wrote gave me the impression of being an ass
Sep 27 10:38:01 <quickdev> why that? ;)
Sep 27 10:38:22 <Ainulindale> Because I didn't find the logical reasons I came with yesterday when I thought a bit about that
Sep 27 10:38:35 <Ainulindale> I guess that's because beer was helping the thinking process
Sep 27 10:56:22 <w_erase> Hi Ainulindale quickdev 
Sep 27 10:56:28 <Ainulindale> hi o/
Sep 27 10:56:39 <quickdev> hey w_erase 
Sep 27 10:57:24 <w_erase> Who's working on boot speed up ... this framebuffer is a pain .... What about a bootsplash (which could be reverted by pressing aux bt while splash ? )
Sep 27 10:59:26 <quickdev> someone is working on it afaik, but it would be fine if you add your results to the wiki :)
Sep 27 11:00:27 <w_erase> I plan to do that is the idea is good, is it ? 
Sep 27 11:01:31 <quickdev> is much time spent on loading the bootsplash?
Sep 27 11:03:36 <w_erase> bootsplash could just be a black screen with a progress bar ... so no time spent . A background image can be appended in the kernel itself. 
Sep 27 11:04:37 <quickdev> how much time is currently spent on it?
Sep 27 11:05:18 <quickdev> Ainulindale, http://rafb.net/p/AlS4Z538.html - is it possible to write this more compact?
Sep 27 11:05:51 <Ainulindale> I seriously don't know :-)
Sep 27 11:06:17 <w_erase> quickdev, at the moment I'm reconfiguring the kernel to do that ... When I boot it I'll answer you 
Sep 27 11:06:34 <quickdev> w_erase, ok, inform us about your progress :)
Sep 27 11:06:37 <w_erase> sure 
Sep 27 11:38:36 <quickdev> Ainulindale, could you quickly review my ophonekitd?
Sep 27 11:42:59 <Ainulindale> Yep
Sep 27 11:45:17 <Ainulindale> Did you commit it ?
Sep 27 11:45:54 <quickdev> no, may I?
Sep 27 11:46:10 <quickdev> Don't you want to have a general look before?
Sep 27 11:47:08 <quickdev> we could revert it then - I commit it now
Sep 27 11:50:20 <quickdev> Ainulindale, it's committed
Sep 27 11:58:12 <quickdev> Ainulindale, don't hesitate to criticise the style ;)
Sep 27 12:06:33 <quickdev> Ainulindale, phonegui_load() and phonegui_get_function() should be moved to libframeworkd-glib, because the same code is used in openmoko-dialer3 and it will be used in openmoko-messages3
Sep 27 14:11:43 <balrog-k1n> has anyone booted 2.6.26?
Sep 27 16:35:04 <quickdev> Hey AndreasD_ 
Sep 27 16:37:32 <AndreasD_> hi quickdev
Sep 27 18:10:06 <alphaone> yay, my builds are working again
Sep 27 18:16:54 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb0723b23405d 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
Sep 27 18:16:54 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: rules: Add IdleState DBus trigger and SetDisplayBrightness action
Sep 27 18:16:54 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: We are handling the display dimming solely through the rules now.
Sep 27 18:16:54 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: (Yes, the rules files is device specific nowadays...)
Sep 27 18:54:18 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r188cefece5d3 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/ (generic.py helpers.py): ousaged: reorder imports and get rid of unused helpers module
Sep 27 18:54:20 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rb7455bd5b9c6 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousaged: report time used for enabling and disabling a resource
Sep 27 18:54:21 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * red4b8cf98db3 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousaged: annouce new resources
Sep 27 19:49:59 <jisakiel> greetings... I'd like to ask some smallish openembedded question... Is there a way to force it to build the whole environment with some given cflags? 
Sep 27 19:50:12 <jisakiel> exporting CFLAGS is not enough as it seems... 
Sep 27 19:50:31 <jisakiel> I'm trying with both FSO makefile and openmoko makefile, and both fail with some weird errors related to fnctl.h
Sep 27 19:50:35 <mickey|tw> read bitbake.conf a bit
Sep 27 19:50:43 <mickey|tw> there you'll find default values for our flags
Sep 27 19:50:49 <jisakiel> and it is because ubuntu 8.10 defines -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2
Sep 27 19:50:58 <jisakiel> which makes gcc crash when compiling, for instance
Sep 27 19:51:01 <jisakiel> or libxml
Sep 27 19:51:04 <jisakiel> hmmm ok
Sep 27 19:53:15 <jisakiel> should I make modifications in that file, or in local.conf? I don't really understand how the configuration files interact (just using Mokomakefile and the like...)
Sep 27 20:12:13 <mickey|tw> use bitbake -D -D -D to see the order in which conf files get parsed
Sep 27 20:12:20 <mickey|tw> read a bit up on = and ?=
Sep 27 20:12:27 <mickey|tw> gnight
Sep 27 20:23:55 <jisakiel> ok, txs, I'm on it
Sep 27 23:45:17 <quickdev> hey
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