**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 12 03:14:13 2008 Oct 12 09:48:34 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r0f631a3dfa37 10/ (framework/subsystems/oeventsd/oevents.py setup.py): Oct 12 09:48:34 freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Call update in the idle loop Oct 12 09:48:34 freesmartphone.org: This makes sure dependent subsystems are loaded before we try to access Oct 12 09:48:34 freesmartphone.org: them. Oct 12 09:48:34 freesmartphone.org: Also add missing etc yaml files. *Please* add new config files to the Oct 12 09:48:37 freesmartphone.org: build system! Oct 12 09:55:29 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/timeline <-- doesn't work Oct 12 10:01:50 quickdev: Sorry, didn't push yet Oct 12 10:02:09 Got only really crappy gprs connectivity, so I might be off again Oct 12 10:02:25 quickdev: ^ There's your fix Oct 12 10:27:03 well dialer seems to work nicely on shr Oct 12 10:27:11 messages still is buggy Oct 12 11:00:57 rwhitby: yes, that's exactly what I meant. Oct 12 11:04:03 Kensan: cool Oct 12 11:11:08 rwhitby: I have the impression that "nobody" is regarding Openembedded as "upstream" so there's a lot of duplication of work. Oct 12 11:12:18 nobody has been able to, since the only people who have been able to affect the OM distro up until recently have been OM employees. Oct 12 11:14:00 rwhitby: yeah. See also my mail to the devel ml about speeding up boot time... it's really sad to see such fragmentation :( Oct 12 11:15:54 (upstream) fwiw, this is going to change soon Oct 12 11:16:05 i'm too tired to explain now, but i talked a lot w/ the guys while i was in .tw Oct 12 11:16:17 they will move to oe.dev for their 'unstable' distro Oct 12 11:16:17 mickey|zzZZzz: excellent Oct 12 11:16:50 now to get tasks and images for all 5 "distros" and we'll be rocking ... Oct 12 11:16:54 ya, the guys did not understood why i always commited to OE and not into om.xyz Oct 12 11:17:04 mickey|zzZZzz: cool! Oct 12 11:17:06 rwhitby: yep, taht's the goal. hope we can all work together on that Oct 12 11:17:27 mickey|zzZZzz: that would improve the current situation a lot imho. Oct 12 11:17:33 no doubt, ya Oct 12 11:17:51 mickey|zzZZzz: I'm up for it. Oct 12 11:18:02 mickey|zzZZzz: did you talk to C7? Oct 12 11:18:03 I can make it so for SHR too Oct 12 11:18:04 ok, cool. wolfgang is fully supporting that Oct 12 11:18:09 Kensan: not yet, no time Oct 12 11:18:17 jetlag kicking in, just landed this morning Oct 12 11:18:19 need to rest a bit Oct 12 11:18:22 talk to ya soon Oct 12 11:18:22 someone needs to reach out to the FDOM guy Oct 12 11:18:26 mickey|zzZZzz: ok, well then get some sleep :) Oct 12 11:18:32 yep, cu Oct 12 11:18:41 (hey, that'd be a community manager's job ...) Oct 12 11:19:20 rwhitby: there are some plans to setup such an autobuilder for all distros sponsored by swisscom. Oct 12 11:20:00 rwhitby: but the people from that project want to talk to various people from OM and also to you since you are very knowledgable in this area. Oct 12 11:20:14 rwhitby: did C7 contact you about this? Oct 12 11:20:22 Kensan: my email is rod@whitby.id.au and I'll be happy to help in any way I can Oct 12 11:20:29 no contact yet Oct 12 11:20:50 rwhitby: oh ok. Oct 12 11:20:56 rwhitby: I will relay your email. Oct 12 11:21:03 thx Oct 12 11:21:16 rwhitby: the hardware is already setup and they are evaluating software for the "build cluster". Oct 12 11:21:19 anyone can catch me here except for sleep time in .au Oct 12 11:21:56 rwhitby: yeah, it's cool to know that one can come here and get answers from you :) Oct 12 11:21:57 Kensan: I use Xen 64bit Dom0 and 32bit Ubuntu 8.04 DomU's. Oct 12 11:22:13 rwhitby: what kind of hardware setup do you have? Oct 12 11:22:24 Kensan: I'd have to ask my infrastructure manager :-) Oct 12 11:22:59 Kensan: one of these: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/NAS-Server Oct 12 11:23:01 rwhitby: are you using some distributed compiler like distcc or are you working with a "real" cluster like openmosix etc? Oct 12 11:23:17 and one of these: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/Cheli Oct 12 11:23:33 and they run these: http://stats.tking.org/munin/ Oct 12 11:24:04 and live here: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/osuosl in the same rack as master.kernel.org Oct 12 11:24:34 Kensan: we just run a crontab around a script around a makefile around OE, and just have it continuously build incrementally. Oct 12 11:25:31 It builds about 15 different distros, and still has spare cycles: http://stats.tking.org/munin/nslu2-linux.org/builder-cpu.html Oct 12 11:25:36 rwhitby: ah ic. Oct 12 11:26:06 No great magic, just automation. Oct 12 11:27:00 rwhitby: afaik, the swisscom has sponsored a couple servers which they want to all use to do distributed compilation since they also might provide public project hosting and building. Oct 12 11:27:56 yeah, I've never got into distributed compilation and stuff. Just make sure the autobuilder is running 24x7 and the images and packages are there when you want them. Oct 12 11:28:47 rwhitby: anyway, I think it would be very good if they talked to you. You've been running this kind of service for a long time now so your experience is very valuable imho. Oct 12 11:28:56 * rwhitby boots illume on the Treo650 Oct 12 11:29:03 * Kensan goes to grab some lunch Oct 12 11:29:07 bbl Oct 12 11:29:15 rwhitby: and thanks for the info. Oct 12 14:33:04 Hey Oct 12 16:47:16 Ainulindale? Oct 12 17:08:28 anyone aware of any problems with the downloads.openmoko.org autobuilder? i'm eagerly waiting for the latest qtopia revision (in git HEAD for about four days now), but it hasn't come through yet Oct 12 17:43:56 quickdev: yes ? Oct 12 17:47:18 Ainulindale, back Oct 12 17:47:44 quickdev: dialer is working, messages is sometimes bugging without apparent reasons Oct 12 17:47:49 and the edje theme is unreadable Oct 12 17:48:00 What about contacts ? Oct 12 17:48:18 Ainulindale, I will update messages in some minutes Oct 12 17:48:24 Nice :-) Oct 12 17:49:26 it now communicates with illume to use its keyboard Oct 12 17:49:47 the illume keyboard needs to be made larger in order to use it with fingers Oct 12 17:49:50 This is a nice thing indeed Oct 12 17:49:55 I don't think so Oct 12 17:50:04 It has functions to do that already (zoom) Oct 12 17:50:10 Ask raster about that Oct 12 17:50:15 I find it pretty usable Oct 12 17:50:17 yeah, but you don't want to zoom on each character Oct 12 17:50:19 But then I'm not a sausage eater :-) Oct 12 17:50:29 Ainulindale, it's not optimal though Oct 12 17:50:34 could use more of the touchscreen Oct 12 17:50:39 quickdev: Seriously I have no problem with it :-) Oct 12 17:50:43 What do you mean by "more" ? Oct 12 17:50:54 maybe it's the missing file for german :) Oct 12 17:51:23 keys could have more width and the rows could be higher Oct 12 17:51:30 then it's easier, you can't complain here :) Oct 12 17:52:09 More important Oct 12 17:52:13 What about contacts ? Oct 12 17:52:24 If I don't have contacts I can't really use your dialer in a day to day basis :-) Oct 12 17:52:34 This way I could be more useful as a tester Oct 12 17:52:59 yeah Oct 12 17:53:21 is there a problem with contacts? Oct 12 17:54:04 Well yes Oct 12 17:54:07 Where are contacts ? :-) Oct 12 17:54:20 quickdev: is it this keyboard you're not ok with?: http://www.vergenet.net/~raster/files/illume-freerunner.avi Oct 12 17:54:52 Ainulindale, opkg install openmoko-contacts3 Oct 12 17:55:01 it's in the new images btw. Oct 12 17:55:12 build host seems to work fine Oct 12 17:55:16 finally! :) Oct 12 17:55:21 Ok nice I will try it :-) Oct 12 17:55:30 As soon as my girlfriend brings my phone back to me Oct 12 17:55:35 (Forgot it at her parents') Oct 12 17:55:44 Ainulindale, it's just a list and a call button, nothing more so far Oct 12 17:55:50 Enough for me Oct 12 17:55:55 ok, fine Oct 12 17:55:59 quickdev: by the way Oct 12 17:56:06 Don't work on fuzzy contact list matching Oct 12 17:56:21 I think abraxa is developing it on PIM Oct 12 17:56:23 for every day use....what would be the most important thing? a screen locker? or could we use suspend(is it working)? Oct 12 17:56:29 Suspend Oct 12 17:56:35 And yes it's working Oct 12 17:56:37 And integrated in zhone Oct 12 17:56:49 Which you shouldn't strip from the image by the way Oct 12 17:56:50 afaik zhone does not use suspend atm, because there were problems Oct 12 17:56:52 It's a usable backup Oct 12 17:57:00 yeah, right Oct 12 17:57:02 I'll add it Oct 12 17:57:06 It was working in the past Oct 12 17:57:16 yeah, in the past :) Oct 12 17:57:23 And it was something to add in ophonekitd, in my opinion Oct 12 17:57:32 After all it's just a simple listener Oct 12 17:57:43 As well as the illume screen locker Oct 12 17:57:44 I know that a PIM is developed, but abraxa wasn't here (since a few weeks?) ...pimd will be integrated into frameworkd later Oct 12 17:57:51 If it's triggerable through anything Oct 12 17:58:13 what to add in ophonekitd? suspend?! Oct 12 17:58:23 yes Oct 12 17:58:34 Why do you find it so weird ? :-) Oct 12 17:58:38 what about manual suspend? hitting the power button, nothing more.. Oct 12 17:58:47 ophonekitd again Oct 12 17:58:59 it's supposed to be the resident "frameworkd" handler Oct 12 17:59:18 So why don't we put in there a listener for the SUSPEND signal and for buttons ? Oct 12 17:59:21 Seems logical to me Oct 12 17:59:28 i have the 2008.8 distro and i like to change what happens when i press AUX oder Power button Oct 12 17:59:31 And by the way I find the latest zhone suspend handler pretty good Oct 12 17:59:33 > can anyone tell me where this is configured? or compiled into? Oct 12 17:59:38 zoff99: no idea Oct 12 18:00:01 quickdev: (push button, release, then push again with a nice informative window) Oct 12 18:00:07 Ainulindale, shouldn't frameworkd handle suspend at all? Oct 12 18:00:16 quickdev: I don't know what they decided about that Oct 12 18:00:17 Ainulindale, I know that screen Oct 12 18:00:22 mickey|zzZZzz: bip Oct 12 18:00:34 quickdev: I don't know if mickey|zzZZzz intended to put that as a whole in frameworkd Oct 12 18:00:46 quickdev: But I think as frameworkd won't display screens about that Oct 12 18:00:54 It's not a bad thing, at the moment, to put that in ophonekitd Oct 12 18:00:57 And after all Oct 12 18:01:00 They put that in zhone Oct 12 18:01:05 So I guess that's a hint Oct 12 18:01:33 Ainulindale, there are two different things: automatic suspend(maybe frameworkd) and manual suspend(ophonekitd would be okay for me) Oct 12 18:01:49 both should be handled in ophonekitd for me Oct 12 18:02:05 because right now, I don't know if there's any way to do that automatically in frameworkd Oct 12 18:02:10 Even if it should through opreferencesd/oeventsd Oct 12 18:02:15 But that's not the case at the moment Oct 12 18:02:22 And if we implement manual suspend in ophonekitd Oct 12 18:02:35 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Usage.html;hb=HEAD Oct 12 18:02:37 Suspend() Oct 12 18:02:39 it's not that much more difficult to do it for the automatic (signal handling) way Oct 12 18:02:43 quickdev: yes but you have to call it Oct 12 18:02:53 there's no automatic triggering through rules Oct 12 18:03:03 that's what I was talking about Oct 12 18:03:37 yes, would be ok Oct 12 18:03:43 There was some discussion about that some time ago Oct 12 18:03:55 But to my eyes, either we should be able to trigger suspend through frameworkd/rules Oct 12 18:04:00 Either we should handle that in some daemon Oct 12 18:04:12 And I think the "some daemon" solution should be chosen Oct 12 18:04:26 Because that way frameworkd should be less invasive Oct 12 18:04:34 That's my opinion, feel free to criticize Oct 12 18:04:44 And it's of course dependant on mickey|zzZZzz's opinion Oct 12 18:06:07 yeah Oct 12 18:06:16 do you know the battery life in suspend? Oct 12 18:06:25 *lifetime Oct 12 18:06:28 Not at all :-) Oct 12 18:07:03 ok, we would need a ophonekitd configuration to define when automatic suspend is triggered? Oct 12 18:07:15 Nope Oct 12 18:07:20 It would be triggered by frameworkd Oct 12 18:07:24 There's a suspend/lock signal Oct 12 18:07:44 And that way we would be able to prevent triggering while on call as an example Oct 12 18:07:44 where is that signal?! Oct 12 18:07:50 odeviced I think Oct 12 18:07:59 Little padawan isn't that well informed :-p Oct 12 18:08:25 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.html;hb=HEAD Oct 12 18:09:11 but there isn't a suspend signal...frameworkd does not trigger suspend automatically Oct 12 18:09:20 am I wrong? Oct 12 18:09:21 it sends a signal Oct 12 18:09:25 but does not trigger suspend Oct 12 18:09:26 which signal? Oct 12 18:09:29 but still send the signal :-) Oct 12 18:09:32 +s Oct 12 18:09:37 Ainulindale, which one? ;) Oct 12 18:09:42 see my link Oct 12 18:09:46 State("SUSPEND") Oct 12 18:10:04 This state doesn't mean device suspended Oct 12 18:10:09 It just mean device is ready to suspend Oct 12 18:10:15 If I trust the logs I saw Oct 12 18:10:21 And what mickey|zzZZzz told me Oct 12 18:10:31 overlooked it, sorry :) Oct 12 18:10:52 You'll be spanked Oct 12 18:11:03 Weak about you is the force little padawan Oct 12 18:11:16 :-) Oct 12 18:11:39 ok, what we have to do: 1) implement idle notification interface in frameworkd-glib 2) listen to the state signal in ophonekitd 3) trigger suspend in ophonekitd, right? Oct 12 18:11:55 Righto Oct 12 18:12:52 would you like to do 1) or all? :) Oct 12 18:13:05 I'd rather do 2 and 3 :-) Oct 12 18:13:08 what about manual suspend? Oct 12 18:13:25 Listening for buttons Oct 12 18:14:03 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Device.Input.html;hb=HEAD Oct 12 18:14:05 yeah, right Oct 12 18:14:12 Weird, contacts doesn't install a binary Oct 12 18:14:18 so we need device-input and device-idle-notifier Oct 12 18:14:27 Ainulindale, not? Oct 12 18:14:58 Ah crap Oct 12 18:15:02 Failed to download Oct 12 18:16:35 No icon though :-) Oct 12 18:16:47 And still unreadable because of the edje theme I guess Oct 12 18:16:52 (grey on white) Oct 12 18:17:11 And for names, white on white Oct 12 18:17:20 ah! Oct 12 18:17:29 you should have downloaded the new image Oct 12 18:17:34 one moment, it's the etk theme Oct 12 18:19:02 you will receive a mail in some minutes Oct 12 18:19:10 copy it to /usr/share/etk/themes/ Oct 12 18:19:36 messages should be fucked up without it, too ;) Oct 12 18:20:09 quickdev: My proposition is Oct 12 18:20:22 Both of us will be testing the whole telephony suit Oct 12 18:20:28 Then we will implement the suspend thing Oct 12 18:20:33 If we are happy about that Oct 12 18:20:37 We will release on saturday Oct 12 18:20:39 Do you agree ? Oct 12 18:21:05 yeah Oct 12 18:21:22 the thing that keeps me from testing as daily phone is the screen locker Oct 12 18:22:24 Easy to implement on ophonekitd if we can listen to frameworkd signals and trigger the illume screen locker Oct 12 18:22:28 raster ? Oct 12 18:22:34 Ainulindale, my two weeks holidays are now over....more precise..tomorrow over :) I don't think I'll have veery much time Oct 12 18:22:48 quickdev: oh by the way Oct 12 18:22:54 some "close" button should be nice Oct 12 18:22:58 is there a illume screen locker? Oct 12 18:23:04 Yep Oct 12 18:23:14 Ainulindale, a close button is definetely missing.....it should be there without expand the top bar Oct 12 18:23:35 a little cross somewhere should do the trick Oct 12 18:23:45 preferably at the top of the screen Oct 12 18:23:45 yes Oct 12 18:23:56 otherwise it's pretty simple hence pretty straightforward Oct 12 18:24:31 Ainulindale, who was working ealier for shr? Could we reactivate those people to do some frameworkd-glib coding? Oct 12 18:24:37 MarcOChapeau? Oct 12 18:24:41 I can do that Oct 12 18:24:51 But it bugs me it's annoying =) Oct 12 18:25:03 you see what I mean Oct 12 18:25:18 I don't think MarcOChapeau is available these times Oct 12 18:25:29 yeah...it isn't a difficult task..but it takes time Oct 12 18:25:53 Ainulindale, couldn't we write a script that generates our code from the sim.h / sim.xml for example? Oct 12 18:26:20 that would help us a lot Oct 12 18:26:34 and all api changes could be solved by reexecuting that script Oct 12 18:27:12 what we need to do: error handlers and such stuff Oct 12 18:27:16 but not the functions.. Oct 12 18:27:46 Thought about that Oct 12 18:27:50 But I was too lazy to do it Oct 12 18:28:00 (Translate : I didn't have he time) Oct 12 18:28:01 +t Oct 12 18:29:15 but it would be possible, right? Oct 12 18:29:21 and it would save time.. Oct 12 18:30:11 I don't think it would be a good idea Oct 12 18:30:20 why? :) Oct 12 18:30:22 There will be too much work to integrate changes that were already done Oct 12 18:30:31 did you receive the email? Oct 12 18:30:33 And to manage exceptions Oct 12 18:30:37 Yes already deployed it thanks Oct 12 18:30:50 quickdev: you should replace buttons with icons Oct 12 18:30:59 which buttons? Oct 12 18:31:07 "Call", "Back", etc Oct 12 18:31:19 Easier to integrate, save space, and doesn't have to be translated Oct 12 18:31:35 There's a bunch of icons in the SVN Oct 12 18:31:41 From the old gtk dialer Oct 12 18:31:46 For "call", and so on Oct 12 18:31:52 And icons for the applications too Oct 12 18:31:57 (in illume) Oct 12 18:33:50 Ainulindale, may we use that icons? What about licences? Oct 12 18:34:06 Are we even allowed to name our application openmoko-* ? It's a trademark.. Oct 12 18:35:25 I don't know but I think they won't care as long as it'll work Oct 12 18:35:31 I'll mail Sean Oct 12 18:35:43 I don't think this is a problem Oct 12 18:36:05 if we haven't got that written form, we could get problems anytime.. Oct 12 18:36:31 theoretically you could, but I don't think it's likely Oct 12 18:36:42 Anyway, if you ask you're on the safe side Oct 12 18:37:31 Anyway Oct 12 18:37:42 I'm not the leader and not the one who named it that way Oct 12 18:38:01 what about changing the name? Oct 12 18:38:11 shr-dialer, shr-contacts, shr-messages Oct 12 18:38:29 Not a priority and as I told before, as we're delivering a working thing I don't think they'll care Oct 12 18:38:34 But we'll do that eventually I agree Oct 12 18:38:55 personally, I'd like to be on the safe side Oct 12 18:39:33 I understand :-) Oct 12 18:39:40 Ainulindale, as long as it works? so if there are many bugs they'll punish us? :) Oct 12 18:40:15 yes, they'll force you to name it brokenmoko Oct 12 18:40:25 haha :-) Oct 12 18:40:28 quickdev: My point is Oct 12 18:40:34 If we can have some "sponsorship" by openmoko Oct 12 18:40:40 It legitimates SHR Oct 12 18:40:50 brokenmoko, hrrr :) Oct 12 18:41:00 As long as OM says : SHR is a good thing and we support them Oct 12 18:41:04 But we're not SHR Oct 12 18:41:10 It's good for both of us Oct 12 18:41:20 what kind of sponsorship? Oct 12 18:41:37 I don't talk about them paying us Oct 12 18:41:56 Ainulindale, if we are good enough, are applications could run on other devices that use frameworkd, too. Oct 12 18:41:56 awww .. you got his hopes up :p Oct 12 18:42:08 I was just thinking about their "moral" sponsorship Oct 12 18:42:11 quickdev: of course Oct 12 18:42:21 that's why I was thinking about using frameworkd in the first place :-) Oct 12 18:43:49 mh..do you mail sean? what he thinks.. Oct 12 18:43:59 We'll see Oct 12 18:44:11 As mickey|zzZZzz supported the "SHR" idea the whole way I don't care that much :-) Oct 12 18:44:49 imagine mickey is fired because the sleeps all the day...then om doesn't support us anymore :) Oct 12 18:45:00 Anyway you know as well as me that the whole idea was to offer a community oriented distro based on OM products and for OM products Oct 12 18:45:01 yeah, we'll see Oct 12 18:45:17 So anyway I think it's more positive for OM than the contrary :-) Oct 12 18:45:41 Well quickdev I'll try to do some work tonight and tomorrow Oct 12 18:45:58 great :) Oct 12 18:46:00 But first I have to go and watch my girlfriend playing wii fit Oct 12 18:46:02 what are you planning to do? Oct 12 18:46:10 There are things more important than OM in this world :-p Oct 12 18:46:23 quickdev: First thing for me is suspend Oct 12 18:46:30 (20:44:07) Ainulindale: There are things more important than OM in this world :-p <-- are you sure? :D Oct 12 18:46:37 fine...then I could use it as my daily phone Oct 12 18:46:39 Then if I have some time left I'll try to do basic button handling Oct 12 18:46:45 I probably won't do the whole thing Oct 12 18:46:56 If you can work on a prototype screen in ophonekitd for suspend Oct 12 18:46:57 Ainulindale, it's really simple in ophonekitd Oct 12 18:46:59 I could try to trigger it Oct 12 18:47:04 yeah Oct 12 18:47:06 I could do that now Oct 12 18:47:11 Maybe copy the zhone one ? Oct 12 18:47:23 quickdev: I know it's simple, I designed ophonekitd :-p Oct 12 18:47:30 I know you modified it heavily but nevermind :-p Oct 12 18:47:37 hrr :) Oct 12 18:47:43 And I'll think about your idea about stripping the mainloop Oct 12 18:48:04 But I think the best way to do that is to keep it that way Oct 12 18:48:06 it was no idea...it was just an information to you ;) Oct 12 18:48:09 Maybe manage a dumb thread in lfg Oct 12 18:48:26 I have no problem with the main loop Oct 12 18:48:27 fwiw the framework team has decided to not really improve zhone that much. So if there's a different reference implementation we'd be quite happy Oct 12 18:48:30 and that way do thread management within lfg to let it be invisible to the programer Oct 12 18:48:35 although, in some cases, it wastes memory for another thread Oct 12 18:48:45 alphaone: quickdev's implementation is working nicely Oct 12 18:49:09 alphaone: as I said earlier I think if he's satisfied with his implementation we'll release next week Oct 12 18:49:10 Ainulindale, let's create an own screen for locking then Oct 12 18:49:15 I'll test it the whole week myself Oct 12 18:49:19 Ainulindale: Sound cool Oct 12 18:49:22 You're welcome to do that yourself Oct 12 18:49:31 quickdev: could you please add zhone and contacts3 in the image ? Oct 12 18:49:54 Ainulindale, contacts3 already integrated....you haven't got the new image...I integrate zhone now Oct 12 18:50:07 Ok Oct 12 18:50:14 Then I'll test binaries as is the whole week Oct 12 18:50:21 And friday I'll install the image from scratch Oct 12 18:50:28 And I'll have some other people to do the same Oct 12 18:50:32 alphaone as an example :-p Oct 12 18:50:37 If it's working, then we'll release :-) Oct 12 18:50:45 quickdev: If you'd be so kind so as to integrate icons too Oct 12 18:50:57 Which are by the way GPL usable as dialer2 was GPL Oct 12 18:51:17 quickdev: and this close button :-p Oct 12 18:51:31 Ainulindale, we would need a little trac....for managing tasks an priorities ;) Oct 12 18:51:32 And maybe a delete button on messages Oct 12 18:51:39 indeed Oct 12 18:51:48 And we should migrate on git also Oct 12 18:51:53 There's already a git repository ready Oct 12 18:52:05 And a gitweb Oct 12 18:52:10 i'll ask bearstech for a trac Oct 12 18:52:13 which git repository? Oct 12 18:52:16 on bearstech Oct 12 18:52:20 mh? Oct 12 18:52:30 Right now I'm hosting daria Oct 12 18:52:37 But historically I did that because of a failure of projects Oct 12 18:52:45 yeah, downtime of projects Oct 12 18:52:48 I don't think this is wise that I would be hosting the repository Oct 12 18:52:56 I.e. what I don't care anymore about OM, etc Oct 12 18:53:05 That's why I think it should be hosted on bearstech Oct 12 18:53:06 zhone is now in shr Oct 12 18:53:19 quickdev: check that it's not launched at x startup Oct 12 18:53:55 ah, right, it is....mh Oct 12 18:54:06 I have to create a shr_zhone package Oct 12 18:54:18 why don't intregate raster's edje into shr? Oct 12 18:54:28 and change the wp Oct 12 18:54:32 Hire1: you're welcome to do it if you want to Oct 12 18:54:37 :-p Oct 12 18:54:42 i can test it Oct 12 18:54:43 Do it yourself, you lazy pig ! :-) Oct 12 18:54:49 Anyway Oct 12 18:54:49 :( Oct 12 18:54:55 yes, I am too lazy :\ Oct 12 18:54:58 Hire1: I'll ask raster about that :-) Oct 12 18:55:06 nice Oct 12 18:55:10 Well I have to go for some time, will come back soon enough Oct 12 18:55:19 I'll try to have a working suspend by tomorrow Oct 12 18:55:22 Ainulindale, why don't you think it's wise that you are hosting the repo? Why would it be better to make bearstech administrating it? So you have more time? :) Oct 12 18:55:24 I hope I'll have enough time Oct 12 18:55:36