**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 20 02:59:57 2008 Oct 20 03:36:14 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rceb446c706a2 10/conf/example/frameworkd.conf: opimd: update example frameworkd.conf Oct 20 05:00:58 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r7799f31f8a1f 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Oct 20 05:00:58 freesmartphone.org: Compute the rootdir in config module Oct 20 05:00:58 freesmartphone.org: This is because otherwise many subsystems have to reinvent a way to get the data directories. Oct 20 05:00:58 freesmartphone.org: With this patch, they can all use directories : "%s/%s" % (rootdir, subsystem_name) Oct 20 06:33:29 morning Oct 20 07:40:36 is om git dead? Oct 20 07:46:40 emdete, oe git changed the repos Oct 20 07:46:42 try another Oct 20 07:47:36 now its git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded Oct 20 07:56:54 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r44be1f273da2 10/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Oct 20 07:56:54 freesmartphone.org: opimd: Created 'Backend' and 'Domain' classes Oct 20 07:56:54 freesmartphone.org: It has to be done because we don't want to register the backends and the domains at import time. Oct 20 07:56:54 freesmartphone.org: So instead we register only the classes at import time using the metaclasses, and then we can register all the Oct 20 07:56:57 freesmartphone.org: domains and the backends. Oct 20 07:56:59 freesmartphone.org: I also renamed the modules to remove the '-' characters, cause we have to import the modules manually. Oct 20 08:09:49 methril|work: is it just another url or a complete other repo? Oct 20 08:10:00 another url Oct 20 08:10:13 why that? Oct 20 08:10:21 but they merge the org.openembedded.dev to HEAD Oct 20 08:10:29 i don't know Oct 20 08:10:33 OE decission Oct 20 08:10:34 what a crap... Oct 20 08:10:52 i just remove and git clone again Oct 20 08:11:09 noe, i have local commited changes... Oct 20 08:11:20 that why i say "what a crap" :D Oct 20 08:11:22 make git-diff-patch and apply later Oct 20 08:11:55 maybe, yes, but maybe a pull from there does it all? Oct 20 08:12:22 i don't kwno try and merge ;) Oct 20 08:12:38 ...and i will do the diffpatch first ;) Oct 20 08:12:57 i'm not that shure how to use git right now... Oct 20 08:12:59 if you are in your branch and you commit to your repo, then merge Oct 20 08:13:14 yes, it's hard, i only do few operations Oct 20 08:13:21 same to me Oct 20 08:13:43 ...but git is wonderful, i just don't know it enough Oct 20 08:13:52 i know Oct 20 08:13:54 :) Oct 20 08:14:13 it's powerfull, but different from other SCVs Oct 20 08:14:15 * raster despises git with a passion Oct 20 08:15:38 raster i see your article in linuxdevices Oct 20 08:15:40 :D Oct 20 08:15:41 nice Oct 20 08:15:50 well Oct 20 08:15:52 i didnt write it Oct 20 08:15:57 have you seen linus talking about gt? Oct 20 08:16:00 the linux devices article anyway Oct 20 08:16:22 emdete: no. :) Oct 20 08:16:25 no Oct 20 08:16:35 yes, but your name is there ;) Oct 20 08:16:50 methril|work: my name is lots of places :( Oct 20 08:16:55 it's funny - didn't know linus is that amusing Oct 20 08:17:43 could you send a ling emdete? Oct 20 08:17:48 s/ling/link Oct 20 08:18:02 pfew, it's in google video... let me see Oct 20 08:21:10 i think this one was it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 Oct 20 08:30:17 old video Oct 20 08:30:33 however linus is always fun :) Oct 20 08:33:46 raster: I used to think git was weird and difficult, but after doing kernel development with SVN, it very quickly grew on me. :p Oct 20 08:36:40 Hire: i never said its new - it's just amusing :D Oct 20 08:41:52 BobOfDoom: right now git is growing on me like a tick grows on its host gorging itself with blood! Oct 20 08:41:53 :) Oct 20 08:48:33 raster: so.. rapidly? :D Oct 20 08:49:06 raster: anything in particular that's annoying you? Oct 20 08:52:01 cohesive "svn/cvs update" Oct 20 08:52:11 the fact that one camp tell me git-pull Oct 20 08:52:23 another is git-fetc;git-rebase origin Oct 20 08:52:34 maybe the other git bit i hate is oe keeps moving its git tree around Oct 20 08:53:19 yes, that is annoying how they moved it (and seemed to break updates as well, perhaps they re-imported) Oct 20 08:54:33 the git-pull vs git-fetch; git-rebase thing is a really just a preference Oct 20 08:54:59 the different is the former will create non-linear history, while that latter heaps everything flat Oct 20 08:55:14 which IMO is easier if you're making small changes to someone else's upstream Oct 20 08:55:32 and don't have commit access Oct 20 08:55:53 (or patches need to be reviewed) Oct 20 08:56:56 if you have commit access then using git-pull is the normal way of working, since you can just merge at will and push your results Oct 20 08:58:30 raster: I found this really handy when getting started: http://eagain.net/articles/git-for-computer-scientists/ Oct 20 08:59:41 raster: it explains clearly (well assuming you have a basic understanding of graph theory) the difference between rebase and merge Oct 20 09:02:41 mm Oct 20 09:02:43 i've looekd Oct 20 09:02:47 i just want something simple Oct 20 09:02:51 so i can spend my time doing code Oct 20 09:03:01 not wrestling with N trees of stuff to merge Oct 20 09:03:04 and git poo :) Oct 20 09:03:25 XD Oct 20 09:03:43 I dunno, frankly I find tracking SVN trees a huge PITA Oct 20 09:03:52 since you have to do rebasing manually Oct 20 09:06:05 but projects like a OE or the kernel, with a bajillion people commiting all over the place and review policies and what not can't really be made simple. Well at least I haven't heard of a way of doing it. :-P Oct 20 09:07:27 dunno Oct 20 09:07:37 e has more develoeprs than oe who commit to svn Oct 20 09:07:57 and we have worked fine for a decade with just a HEAD tree (in cvs then SVN) Oct 20 09:08:02 without multiple branches Oct 20 09:08:03 merges Oct 20 09:08:07 "merge masters" Oct 20 09:08:09 etc. Oct 20 09:08:25 every dev is responsible for commiting their stuff into the head tree in such a way they dopont break things Oct 20 09:08:32 if they do - they get spanked Oct 20 09:08:45 and one of the primary devs, like me, finds out and spanks them, reverts their commit Oct 20 09:08:54 and reminds them not to break thnigs again Oct 20 09:08:58 people tend to be careful Oct 20 09:09:04 they tend to test more Oct 20 09:09:07 before committing Oct 20 09:09:17 or they commit in such a way that doesnt break things drasitcally Oct 20 09:09:23 so the feature is runtime or compiletime enabled Oct 20 09:09:27 and slowly slides in Oct 20 09:09:47 hmm... maybe OE could work that way Oct 20 09:10:01 I dunno Oct 20 09:11:01 it could Oct 20 09:11:04 it does work for us Oct 20 09:11:26 i know our svn tree at least by reputation of those that use it after having used other peoples cvs/svn/git trees Oct 20 09:11:30 and even release software Oct 20 09:11:50 they tend to tell me that our head svn is more stable than most projects "Release" grade software Oct 20 09:12:15 maybe you're really good at hitting people with sticks :D Oct 20 09:14:01 the thing I like about git is the branching and merging works really well, I guess in your case it sounds like you are branching, but doing it with compile-time options instead of with the SVM Oct 20 09:14:05 SCM* Oct 20 09:14:50 yup Oct 20 09:14:50 which is perhaps even nicer Oct 20 09:14:59 basically compile or runtime branching Oct 20 09:15:02 not scm-time Oct 20 09:15:13 it has positives Oct 20 09:15:24 users get to try out stuff for testing much soioner Oct 20 09:15:33 andy always complaisn that "no one is testing my kernels" Oct 20 09:15:39 thats because they live off on a git tree of his own Oct 20 09:15:48 everyone is basically feeding off the head/stable feed Oct 20 09:15:54 and nothign gets tested until it goes there Oct 20 09:16:01 its better to carefulyl bring it in Oct 20 09:16:07 have a new "gui option" Oct 20 09:16:12 or a boot parameter Oct 20 09:16:19 or maybe just force it on peolpe Oct 20 09:16:36 "here - u get the change. if it breaks stuff. then dont go using head! use a stable snapshot!" Oct 20 09:17:04 so the develoeprs tend to get better at doing things stabilliy without b0rks Oct 20 09:17:10 and the users get bettter ad being testers Oct 20 09:17:11 :) Oct 20 09:17:15 :) Oct 20 09:18:14 but thats my experience Oct 20 09:18:21 i'm very much a "get shit done" guy Oct 20 09:18:24 not a "processes" guy Oct 20 09:18:33 sopme people love "the process of engineering" Oct 20 09:18:39 and sink huge amounts Oct 20 09:18:44 or all their time into the "process" Oct 20 09:18:47 raster: 100ACK Oct 20 09:18:50 always fiddling with how things are done Oct 20 09:19:00 or setting up "methods" or "policies" Oct 20 09:19:08 some peolpe love that Oct 20 09:19:20 those peolpe probaly adors git and the ability to have N trees Oct 20 09:19:27 and different threads of developemnt Oct 20 09:19:43 and merge masters who merge develoepers trees into another 2 or 3 dev/unstable/stable streams Oct 20 09:19:44 etc. etc. Oct 20 09:19:49 fine for them Oct 20 09:19:51 mmm Oct 20 09:19:54 me - live life on the edge Oct 20 09:19:58 seat of your pants. Oct 20 09:20:01 get stuff done Oct 20 09:20:12 take the knocks and falls as things go a bit wrong along the way Oct 20 09:20:25 fix thigns on the fly as the train keeps chugging along Oct 20 09:20:33 and when everything seems to come together nicely and work right Oct 20 09:20:38 pump out a snapshot quickly Oct 20 09:20:39 eg Oct 20 09:20:51 "svnrev 24824 was excellent! lets stamp that one out the door!" Oct 20 09:21:51 yoh Oct 20 09:22:59 joperggz! Oct 20 09:32:06 * sicu likes the idea of excellent stuff being stamped out the door =] Oct 20 09:33:46 :) Oct 20 09:36:30 % svn log -r24824 http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/ Oct 20 09:36:36 r24824 | lok | 2006-08-17 08:32:18 +1000 (Thu, 17 Aug 2006) | 2 lines Oct 20 09:36:39 that's quickly? :p Oct 20 09:38:25 BobOfDoom: that's been a 'once there's been" story, and a random number I'd guess Oct 20 09:38:51 aye, sorry, I was kidding Oct 20 09:39:58 that's the way urban legends are born Oct 20 09:40:43 "raster stated 24824 is the best snapshot ever" Oct 20 09:41:34 :D Oct 20 09:43:23 i added raster on facebook :o Oct 20 09:43:53 he'll probably adore ;-) Oct 20 09:44:10 he will probably hate me :o Oct 20 10:51:39 BobOfDoom: HAHAHHAHAHA Oct 20 10:51:43 it was just an example :) Oct 20 10:52:16 Hire: i'm temtped to delete my facebook acount Oct 20 10:52:22 it's just becoming a pain in th arse! Oct 20 10:52:29 :\ Oct 20 10:54:43 so i can't say with my friend "ehi, i have rasterman as friend on facebook"? :v Oct 20 10:54:46 friends Oct 20 10:55:12 this makes me partially sad Oct 20 10:55:30 yeah, I agree Oct 20 10:55:36 I regret creating an account in the first place Oct 20 10:55:51 it just spams you with rubbish Oct 20 10:55:56 facebook is a nice toy when you are bored in the office Oct 20 10:56:43 Hire: :( you could be better spending that time making some awesome new app Oct 20 10:57:36 BobOfDoom: agreed Oct 20 10:57:50 i dont have time for the crap that facebook schlepps with it Oct 20 10:57:54 i am not bored Oct 20 10:57:56 ever Oct 20 10:58:05 i have no need to fill in my time Oct 20 10:58:34 same, I always have heaps of ideas I could be working on Oct 20 10:58:40 if I'm sick of working on one thing, I'll just work on something else Oct 20 10:58:51 BobOfDoom i can't do that now :D Oct 20 10:59:15 BobOfDoom: bingo Oct 20 10:59:18 thats my biggest problem Oct 20 10:59:20 soooo omany things Oct 20 10:59:25 sooooo much i could/can do Oct 20 10:59:35 sooooo many things to create/make/improve/hack Oct 20 10:59:45 but only so much of me to go around :( Oct 20 10:59:46 makes you wish you could branch and merge yourself in time :p Oct 20 11:02:36 hjehehe Oct 20 11:02:43 or just clone() Oct 20 11:02:52 and have lots of children running around Oct 20 11:03:00 and next kill -9 rastersclone Oct 20 11:03:21 raster: clone! Oct 20 11:03:24 :D Oct 20 11:03:55 uh, already mentioned :-D Oct 20 11:03:55 interesting Oct 20 11:03:57 baby raster Oct 20 11:04:12 I read some SF where that happens Oct 20 11:04:18 might have been Accelerando Oct 20 11:04:41 people can fork() their minds and then merge them back together so they've experienced doing both things Oct 20 11:04:47 Tichy Oct 20 11:05:04 fork is always a bad thing :) Oct 20 11:05:18 "my tomorrow-me hit me in the face :-(" - lol Oct 20 11:05:29 http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhba1lhBllM <-- qt on symbian Oct 20 11:07:23 and neo Oct 20 11:49:15 moin Oct 20 14:07:49 i am alone? Oct 20 14:19:56 Hire: not really Oct 20 15:00:53 howdy all Oct 20 15:21:26 re Oct 20 16:02:36 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r7e815f259b2f 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Oct 20 16:02:36 freesmartphone.org: 1.) Change some log domains Oct 20 16:02:36 freesmartphone.org: 2.) Fix segfault in idlenotifier plugin and enable it on startup again Oct 20 16:02:36 freesmartphone.org: 3.) plugins can now have per-device "disable" key Oct 20 16:59:42 just got my moko back, or rather a new one Oct 20 16:59:53 is shr usable already? Oct 20 17:06:01 just having to get it back online via wlan Oct 20 17:07:15 mickeyl: i have zhone now in a state where pressing PWR does not suspend. is there a way to attach pdb to a running process so that i could figure out why it doesn't suspend this time? Oct 20 17:33:11 is there a way to get shr wifi wolring? Oct 20 17:33:17 working Oct 20 17:52:32 nikolajsheller iwconfig? Oct 20 17:53:12 we expect to see the networking available before the end of this month Oct 20 17:53:42 Fossi you need to wait Oct 20 17:54:03 shr is unstable but as daily phone works Oct 20 17:57:40 Hire: iwconfig is painful to use over the terminal. Expecially etting up wpa_supplicant Oct 20 17:58:32 Hire: Sounds good regarding the wireless. dies this mean UI? Oct 20 18:00:30 no :) Oct 20 18:00:44 i mean, an api for control the network Oct 20 18:00:53 into the framework Oct 20 18:01:09 ok. Looking forward to it! Oct 20 18:01:20 wi fi, usb, bluetooth Oct 20 18:01:26 sweet Oct 20 18:01:45 integrate into the framework as dbus calls Oct 20 18:01:47 however Oct 20 18:02:06 after this we need an ui for shr Oct 20 18:02:21 that controls the wifi Oct 20 18:02:29 for now you can install mofi :) Oct 20 18:02:55 mofi is pretty flakey, and not in the shr reposifory I think Oct 20 18:03:16 no problem Oct 20 18:03:20 use opkg.org Oct 20 18:03:24 is it advisable to mix repositories? Oct 20 18:03:24 http://www.opkg.org/ Oct 20 18:03:44 http://www.opkg.org/package_11.html Oct 20 18:03:45 get it Oct 20 18:04:29 ok. and then download it to the FR Oct 20 18:04:32 (Y) Oct 20 18:04:43 yes Oct 20 18:08:50 sadly Oct 20 18:08:54 quickdev is away :\ Oct 20 18:09:03 from monday ( today ) to friday Oct 20 18:10:14 Hire: Excellent! http://www.opkg.org worked Oct 20 18:10:40 Hire: even quickdev needs a break Oct 20 18:10:45 if you have time Oct 20 18:10:53 you can contribute with opkg Oct 20 18:11:15 you can upload any package you want Oct 20 18:11:34 nikolajsheller: just ask us to put it in the shr repository then Oct 20 18:11:54 Hire: I'm trying to contribute a bit to SHR. But I'll keep i in mind Oct 20 18:11:55 Hire: quickdev isn't the only one working for SHR you know :-> Oct 20 18:12:25 yes but you are an ui-hater :\ Oct 20 18:12:33 Tell me Oct 20 18:12:33 hehe :) Oct 20 18:12:36 What is the better thing Oct 20 18:13:04 yes but i'm kidding :D Oct 20 18:13:10 i think i need numptyphysics on my SHR Oct 20 18:13:25 i will use always the cli Oct 20 18:14:10 An UI doing nothing or a CLI doing something ? Oct 20 18:14:24 CLI doing something Oct 20 18:14:28 Hire: but it's so slow on the on-screen keyboard Oct 20 18:14:37 i prefer cli :) Oct 20 18:14:45 Ainulindale: do you know if they're working on the gpsd issue upstream? Oct 20 18:14:46 In any case Oct 20 18:14:52 There's a lot of work to do on the userland Oct 20 18:15:03 UIs of course, but libraries and daemons too Oct 20 18:15:07 sicu: no idea Oct 20 18:15:10 :/ Oct 20 18:15:12 You should ask alphaone Oct 20 18:16:03 yes but i'm kidding :D i have said "sadly quickdev is away" because him is away for 5 days. i know you are doing a very good work Oct 20 18:16:22 and you prefer to give more love into a low level usage Oct 20 18:16:27 Hire: I know, but let me troll in peace will you :-p Oct 20 18:16:30 as framework, deamon and dbus Oct 20 18:16:54 if so Oct 20 18:17:06 we can call raster so we can start a nice catfight Oct 20 18:17:35 Heh :-) Oct 20 18:18:10 alphaone: do you know if the buggy fso-gpsd is being worked on upstream? Oct 20 18:20:45 hmmm, autobuild seems to be getting a few errors Oct 20 18:21:15 sicu: which bug? Oct 20 18:21:18 ah, it just restarted Oct 20 18:21:55 sorry ... it was gone before i caught it Oct 20 18:33:47 Ainulindale: why hasn't there come any more images since oct 17th? aren't they supposed to be done automagically? or is it you guys who decide when to put them up ? Oct 20 18:34:18 It is commented out Oct 20 18:34:33 I'll uncomment it in approximatively, well... now Oct 20 18:34:46 hehe ... gotcha =] Oct 20 18:37:09 was just wondering since the tail.log kept lgoing until [make: *** [shr-testing-packages] Error 2] and looping Oct 20 18:38:40 Hmmm that's weird Oct 20 18:38:44 rwhitby ? Oct 20 18:38:56 Why are the packages not built anymore for om-gta02 (according to tinderbox) Oct 20 19:09:48 it's chugging along nicely now =] Oct 20 19:20:14 Ainulindale: I'm trting to build a fresh illume checkout Oct 20 19:21:14 Ainulindale: And I'm getting "checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs." when rinning ./configure Oct 20 19:43:12 nikolajsheller: Make sure your PATH is correct. Oct 20 19:45:57 bricode: ok. Thanks Oct 20 21:14:40 nikolajsheller: what are you trying to build illume with ? Oct 20 22:08:38 night guys, good hacking **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 21 02:59:57 2008