**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 27 02:59:57 2008 Oct 27 08:00:11 G'morning Oct 27 09:34:42 Hey there Oct 27 10:15:08 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rf18d1617b3a8 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/parser.py: Oct 27 10:15:08 freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: using yaml CLoader Oct 27 10:15:08 freesmartphone.org: This make things faster, but there is a problem : it is not possible to tell yaml to automatically Oct 27 10:15:09 freesmartphone.org: interpret the functions anymore, so we have to do it manually after each call to yaml.load, and iterate the structure Oct 27 10:15:14 freesmartphone.org: looking for functions. It is really not a very good solution. Oct 27 10:28:48 while chatting with Paul Sladen yesterday, we came up with an alternative UI idea -- namely and overlayed keyboard in landscape, probably semi-transparent with adjustable color & transparency, with an xterm behind it. Then just have command line tools for doing all the bits to do with being a phone: D 0123456789 places a call, say Oct 27 10:30:30 would probably help to have extra keys around the normal keyboard for Answer, Busy, Lock, etc. Oct 27 11:01:18 Hey Oct 27 11:01:20 Ainulindale? Oct 27 11:01:53 Yes Oct 27 11:01:59 hey MarcOChapeau :-) Oct 27 11:02:25 quickdev: Toothache mode here, going to see a dentist this afternoon Oct 27 11:02:32 But I'm still able to talk :-) Oct 27 11:03:14 yeah, get your tooth fixed...for ever ;) Oct 27 11:04:02 What was your problem/question ? Oct 27 11:04:42 AinuFall1ack, I thought about adding AT%SLEEP=2 to frameworkd in SHR as a default value, because the phone suspends and then it is unable to set the sleep modes.. Oct 27 11:05:10 What do you mean by "unable to set the sleep modes" ? Oct 27 11:05:56 how should the UNREG messages be parsed if frameworkd is not running, because the phone is suspended? Oct 27 11:08:28 AinuFall1ack, ack? Oct 27 11:09:31 of course we will bother people that do not suffer from the bug (are there many?), but it would guarantee stability of the gsm for all users Oct 27 11:09:39 UNREG ? Oct 27 11:09:49 You mean going of the network ? Oct 27 11:10:16 I can't see your problem here, could you describe it first in non technical words ? :-) Oct 27 11:10:20 deregistrations and reregistrations Oct 27 11:10:31 So what you're saying is Oct 27 11:10:34 If the phone is suspended Oct 27 11:10:34 the problem is the oscilating gsm Oct 27 11:10:50 And if the network coverage leads to deregistration Oct 27 11:11:00 There's no way to do what ? Oct 27 11:11:20 AinuFall1ack, not the network coverage...the ti calypso recamping bug Oct 27 11:11:24 Your problem is that if the network is deregistered while in suspend, it won't register again ? Oct 27 11:11:39 I'm going to repeat myself :-) Oct 27 11:11:41 12:10 < AinuFall1ack> I can't see your problem here, could you describe it first in non technical words ? :-) Oct 27 11:12:24 it will reregister...but frameworkd won't be able to workaround the calypso bug by sending (AT%SLEEP=4), because frameworkd is not running Oct 27 11:12:33 so it's oscillating all the time Oct 27 11:13:34 you know the calypso oscillating/recamping/bouncy rubber bug? Oct 27 11:13:50 Wait a minute, my fallback failed Oct 27 11:14:07 Yeah I know about it but I was just trying to make you talk about it in non technical words :-) Oct 27 11:14:13 you're a pain niklas :-) Oct 27 11:14:44 THough I didn't follow the thread talking about that Oct 27 11:14:48 bouncy rubber is technical? :) Oct 27 11:14:54 So what's the downside of the AT%SLEEP=2 thing ? Oct 27 11:15:05 no, but the sentence before that is :-) Oct 27 11:15:11 more power is drawn Oct 27 11:15:14 in suspend Oct 27 11:15:22 Hmpf Oct 27 11:15:23 for people not suffering from the bug Oct 27 11:16:12 Then I think we should let it be that way Oct 27 11:16:16 for people who have the bug, it's almost the same consumption, because the gsm chip does not fall into deep sleep (reregistrations and so on) Oct 27 11:16:29 And we should build a package to patch frameworkd Oct 27 11:16:36 i.e. frameworkd-recamping Oct 27 11:16:44 patching is very easy...just looked it up Oct 27 11:16:47 And put instructions on the wiki about that Oct 27 11:16:50 quickdev: I know Oct 27 11:16:54 http://bec-systems.com/oe/html/src_uri_variable.html Oct 27 11:17:15 I know how that works, but I don't want to tamper with frameworkd directly Oct 27 11:17:42 I'm eating, back in 10 minutes Oct 27 11:28:12 Ainulindale, a different topic, if I want to use GPL icons....is it enough to refer in the README to the license of the icons? Oct 27 11:30:59 Why don't you use the OM icons ? Oct 27 11:31:17 quickdev: and as for the icons, you have to distribute the license too Oct 27 11:31:21 But as our stuff is GPLed... Oct 27 11:31:43 what about the application name openmoko-*? did you talk with sean? Oct 27 11:33:25 I talked with several people, didn't mail Sean though Oct 27 11:33:27 I'll do that now Oct 27 11:37:33 Ainulindale, if we want to patch frameworkd, we have to copy the frameworkd.bb, right? there are many other files we'd have to copy :( Oct 27 11:37:38 why don't use the tango icons? Oct 27 11:38:11 http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Desktop_Project Oct 27 11:38:14 grab them here Oct 27 11:38:31 for the telephony you can use the ekiga's icons Oct 27 11:41:12 I'm open to suggestions ;) Oct 27 11:41:32 :D Oct 27 11:41:47 download it and seen if you liked them Oct 27 11:42:56 quickdev: not at all Oct 27 11:42:59 quickdev: Follow my thinking Oct 27 11:43:08 We build a frameworkd-recamping package Oct 27 11:43:20 Which will just patch frameworkd file Oct 27 11:44:34 is it possible to build a frameworkd_recamping.bb package that patches another packge? Oct 27 11:48:17 quickdev: Just mailed Sean Oct 27 11:48:28 quickdev: it won't patch another package but a file on the filesystem Oct 27 11:48:38 ah, right, ok Oct 27 11:48:41 In fact it will just overwrite a file Oct 27 11:48:50 yes Oct 27 11:49:08 thought about it at the beginning..ok Oct 27 11:49:46 I do it Oct 27 11:51:05 Man my jaw feels like I've been beaten Oct 27 11:51:21 I'm popping pills like a madman Oct 27 11:53:21 you should visit a germany doctor...then you won't have problems some weeks later ;) Oct 27 11:54:17 Ainulindale, I added the file openembedded/packages/images/shr-image/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py Oct 27 11:54:33 and what about the recamping thing? how to add that? Oct 27 11:55:09 The package ? Oct 27 11:55:26 Don't add it in the image please Oct 27 11:55:35 Add it in some new package Oct 27 11:55:57 so I would have to copy frameworkd.bb, right? Oct 27 11:56:07 not convinced to do it ;) Oct 27 11:56:08 Not necessarily Oct 27 11:56:14 alternative? Oct 27 11:56:18 Just create a new .bb Oct 27 11:56:26 which does what? Oct 27 11:56:28 And just tell it to copy this file in the good directory Oct 27 11:57:19 and overwrite the frameworkd file? Doesn't that cause trouble? what if frameworkd-recamping should be deinstalled? Oct 27 11:57:37 yes, that may cause trouble Oct 27 11:57:40 But that's a workaround Oct 27 11:57:44 Hence that's normal Oct 27 11:57:52 It's a quick way to have a working solution Oct 27 11:57:56 I didn't say it was the best solution Oct 27 11:59:24 quickdev: I'd suggest we do that for now and we'll talk about that with mickey|bbl Oct 27 11:59:29 Who's here but cleverly hidden Oct 27 11:59:43 let's talk with him before....it isn't very urgent Oct 27 11:59:53 have you made a plan? Oct 27 12:00:16 Nope, will do that this afternoon :-) Oct 27 12:01:18 after the doc botched you? let's wait if you're able to work afterwards ;) Oct 27 12:01:26 I'll be Oct 27 12:01:32 It can't be worse Oct 27 12:01:40 I'm nearly typing with one hand Oct 27 12:01:48 Aaaaah I hate toothache Oct 27 12:02:35 good luck.. Oct 27 12:02:42 good luck Oct 27 12:03:03 Ainulindale, do you know this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rum5bhSCGs4 - it's a very nice game..and it could use the accelerometers ;) Oct 27 12:03:24 just played it today....veery entertaining :) Oct 27 12:03:33 I'm not into games Oct 27 12:04:02 yeah, because you haven't got time....searching contacts is more important :) Oct 27 12:04:02 ah nice Oct 27 12:04:10 you will use moko eightball Oct 27 12:04:24 a nice game for bad question on life Oct 27 12:06:06 quickdev: heh, if I could look for a contact quicker than it is possible now, I would have time for games :-) Oct 27 12:06:35 Ainulindale, I implement a search box for you now Oct 27 12:08:01 Not a box ! A slider ! :-) Oct 27 12:08:26 Ainulindale, btw., what about a scrollbar? Oct 27 12:08:42 easiest, quickest solution Oct 27 12:08:52 Both are necessary either way Oct 27 12:09:13 You should ask raster Oct 27 12:09:19 he's the UI guy Oct 27 12:09:29 Well, I'm leaving Oct 27 12:09:32 Going to see the dentist Oct 27 12:09:36 wish me luck Oct 27 12:09:38 me too! Oct 27 12:09:39 i know nothing of ui Oct 27 12:09:40 good luck! Oct 27 12:09:40 :) Oct 27 12:09:41 good lock Oct 27 12:09:49 raster: liar Oct 27 12:09:57 *luck Oct 27 12:10:01 hehe Oct 27 12:10:14 raster: what would you do to allow a user to search through a long alphabetically sorted list ? Oct 27 12:10:30 Knowing the goal is to look for a contact Oct 27 12:10:34 hit / Oct 27 12:10:37 and type something? Oct 27 12:10:37 :) Oct 27 12:10:50 i do assume u mean on a touchscreen Oct 27 12:10:51 Dumbass :-) Oct 27 12:10:54 and for a non advanced user? Oct 27 12:10:54 Yep Oct 27 12:10:56 :) Oct 27 12:11:05 raster: I was thinking about a kind of "slider" A-Z# Oct 27 12:11:07 hey - u didnt qualify your q Oct 27 12:11:08 :) Oct 27 12:11:21 ther question is Oct 27 12:11:22 My Q is more qualified than yours ! Oct 27 12:11:25 looking by first or last name Oct 27 12:11:31 lets stand back Oct 27 12:11:32 right now Oct 27 12:11:35 raster: Right now we don't consider that Oct 27 12:11:40 on my stupid motorola Oct 27 12:11:41 We just consider the entry as a whole Oct 27 12:11:44 i can neter, for a contact Oct 27 12:11:51 a first, last and nick-name Oct 27 12:11:59 friends i will always refer to by nick Oct 27 12:12:01 eg Oct 27 12:12:04 kfish Oct 27 12:12:05 or k Oct 27 12:12:08 not conrad parker Oct 27 12:12:14 but my entry will be a full name Oct 27 12:12:21 raster: I was thinking about allowing the user just to quickly go to a letter Oct 27 12:12:23 also u may look by first or last name Oct 27 12:12:30 so just selecting a letter imho isnt that good Oct 27 12:12:31 To prevent some heavy processing Oct 27 12:12:39 raster: Knowing that right now t here's no PIM Oct 27 12:12:43 So the solution is just a placeholder Oct 27 12:12:48 unless that letter just includes all first ANd last ANd nick names that start Oct 27 12:12:49 that'd work Oct 27 12:12:58 then the 1 letter solution works Oct 27 12:13:08 raster: But how would you display it ? Oct 27 12:13:08 so this means it isnt a position in a list Oct 27 12:13:11 but more a filter mechanism Oct 27 12:13:29 raster: I thought this should be easier to just set to a position in the list, instead of filtering Oct 27 12:13:33 so a scrollbar or something scroll/position related probably isnt the best Oct 27 12:13:49 but maybe a bar at the top Oct 27 12:13:54 much like the osx dock Oct 27 12:13:58 Anyway, please talk about that with quickdev, I'm going to buy a wrench to pull that tooth out Oct 27 12:14:06 raster, osx dock? Oct 27 12:14:08 raster: that's what I was thinking about Oct 27 12:14:15 it zoomes to display the letter u press Oct 27 12:14:15 By "A-Z#" slider Oct 27 12:14:19 pres and drag stays zoomed Oct 27 12:14:25 so u can see it Oct 27 12:14:29 Anyway Oct 27 12:14:33 the zoom goes above the bar Oct 27 12:14:33 See you in a bit guys Oct 27 12:14:34 hmm Oct 27 12:14:39 in that case maybe better at the bottom Oct 27 12:14:41 actually Oct 27 12:15:07 the proble,m is the inaccuracy of your finger staying where it is Oct 27 12:15:13 try zoom mode in the illume kbd Oct 27 12:15:19 u get lots of wobble from the input Oct 27 12:15:23 yeah.. Oct 27 12:15:44 though i thnk thats best solved at the driver/tslib/x layer Oct 27 12:15:47 not in apps/toolkits Oct 27 12:16:07 raster, what would you recommend eventually as the ui gui? ;) Oct 27 12:16:14 *guy Oct 27 12:16:45 and opmid? Oct 27 12:16:55 Hire1, it's not yet ready Oct 27 12:17:09 first i'd be asking if we've solved the "the 10 contatcs i most frequntly call or who call me / sms etc." Oct 27 12:17:16 in a quick access group somewhere Oct 27 12:17:18 do that first Oct 27 12:17:20 or 9 most Oct 27 12:17:20 or 8 Oct 27 12:17:22 doesnt matter Oct 27 12:17:35 tthat'd be the first thing i worry about Oct 27 12:17:44 as those at the ones u are more liekly "always looking up" Oct 27 12:17:55 first solve that Oct 27 12:18:18 (and allow you to maske some of the contacts sticky - ie always bookmarked - eg yoru girlfriend and your mistress) Oct 27 12:18:20 :) Oct 27 12:18:28 oh Oct 27 12:18:33 and your lawyer Oct 27 12:18:45 u'll be needing those 3 a lot Oct 27 12:18:45 :) Oct 27 12:19:19 i'd definitely have a "type to search" Oct 27 12:19:26 so pull up kbd Oct 27 12:19:44 and type and up fomes all the jenny's jennifers etc. Oct 27 12:19:59 hi. i built a kernel from scratch using my tool chain. now how do i flash it to the neo? Oct 27 12:20:05 default is "first/last or nick begins with" Oct 27 12:20:09 have a "contains" option Oct 27 12:20:24 THEN after that i'd waorry about a quick index based on first letter only Oct 27 12:20:36 first letter of first/last or nick name Oct 27 12:20:40 trupheenix: the directions are on the wiki, I think Oct 27 12:20:57 ooh i have it Oct 27 12:21:03 the zoom thing Oct 27 12:21:29 and above your finger displays the 3 or 5 nearest letters (that have any first/lastt/nick entries. if nothnig starts with z - dont include it) Oct 27 12:21:42 so u drag left/right THEN drag upthe problem here is Oct 27 12:21:53 the screen on the FR is horrible at drags with a finger Oct 27 12:22:08 so need to make this work with taps too Oct 27 12:22:17 to tap on the bar Oct 27 12:22:22 and up come the nearest 5 options Oct 27 12:22:30 left/right arros on either side of them Oct 27 12:22:38 then just tap the arrows Oct 27 12:22:41 or the letter u want Oct 27 12:22:43 I think the simple functio you mentioned with an entry that displays only "jennifers" is enough at first Oct 27 12:22:54 hopefully practice will mean u select close to the letter u want every time Oct 27 12:23:09 pb__: where? Oct 27 12:23:10 my tests show u can it a 32x32 region relatively well Oct 27 12:23:22 64x64 is an almost guaranteed hit Oct 27 12:23:36 (this is a 2.8" 285dpi screen - adjust for other dpis' as apporpriate) Oct 27 12:23:42 so givne a fulls crene width Oct 27 12:23:55 480 / 64 = 7.5 Oct 27 12:24:18 so as such Oct 27 12:24:25 trupheenix: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_Kernel Oct 27 12:24:30 thats 7.5 regiosn u can fairly well hit every time Oct 27 12:24:50 if they popped up just 3 letters u'd almost always (90% of the time) have the exact letter u wanted 1 more tap away only Oct 27 12:25:01 5 means its always going to have it unless your utterly inept Oct 27 12:25:16 so thats my call Oct 27 12:25:27 i might implement that in elementary... some time Oct 27 12:25:29 :) Oct 27 12:26:05 yeah..some time ;) Oct 27 12:26:16 hey Oct 27 12:26:19 got a big list of things to do Oct 27 12:26:32 i need me a company name Oct 27 12:26:37 so many .com's are taken Oct 27 12:26:39 damnit! Oct 27 12:26:42 i want e.com! Oct 27 12:27:05 everybody has a bunch of things to do :) Oct 27 12:27:15 yup Oct 27 12:35:04 wow Oct 27 12:35:09 you can buy it Oct 27 12:35:13 e.com Oct 27 12:35:27 no... i don't think so :\ Oct 27 12:35:56 "e" is too short Oct 27 12:38:00 alphaone, here? Oct 27 12:38:06 quickdev: I am Oct 27 12:40:05 yeah Oct 27 12:40:15 1 letter domains were taken out of circulation long ago Oct 27 12:40:21 x.org was lucky to get theirs before that Oct 27 12:41:40 sadly Oct 27 12:44:45 alphaone, is there currently a trigger for an incoming message? I'm hearing not sound on an incoming message...although call ringtone works.....I remember that incoming message tone worked some weeks ago. For information: I'm using a week old version. Do you have an incoming message tone? Oct 27 12:45:07 quickdev http://www.okiwii.net/viewer.php?file=s35fbixre5otp64y091.jpg Oct 27 12:45:25 an useless mockup Oct 27 12:46:02 icons taken from gnome colors Oct 27 12:46:03 it looks quite nice...and that are the tango icons? Oct 27 12:46:08 quickdev: Not sure, last weekend my Neo died on my several times... Oct 27 12:46:30 nono, gnome colors, based on tango Oct 27 12:47:09 alphaone, is a log useful? Oct 27 12:47:33 quickdev: sure Oct 27 12:47:41 alphaone, http://rafb.net/paste/ Oct 27 12:47:45 http://rafb.net/p/YR6yDP48.html Oct 27 12:49:17 Back home Oct 27 12:49:33 back home? Oct 27 12:49:42 Ainulindale, that fast? Oct 27 12:49:47 yeas Oct 27 12:49:49 so fast? Oct 27 12:49:57 you have married a dentist? O_o Oct 27 12:50:09 I drived home Oct 27 12:50:14 just fixed the incoming message problem Oct 27 12:50:14 h Oct 27 12:50:15 I see my dentist at 14h30 Oct 27 12:50:17 ah ok Oct 27 12:50:22 quickdev: don't do anything on the group thing Oct 27 12:50:26 It will be handled by opimd Oct 27 12:50:32 group thing? Oct 27 12:50:42 What raster was talking about earlier Oct 27 12:50:53 Oh and by the way Oct 27 12:51:02 Some iPhone fanatic asked me why my contact list was so slow Oct 27 12:51:10 And it's true that there's some, well Oct 27 12:51:18 Some delay between scrolls Oct 27 12:51:21 I don't know hows to explain that Oct 27 12:51:23 -s Oct 27 12:51:39 hm..neo is to slow? Oct 27 12:51:48 glamo problem? Oct 27 12:52:03 (I'm looking for the english word to describe the fact that the "screens" are scrolling in a "cut" way) Oct 27 12:52:10 (Man I hate when I lose my words) Oct 27 12:53:06 I know what you're thinking of....maybe that's related to etk Oct 27 12:53:12 AH ! Oct 27 12:53:14 Choppy Oct 27 12:53:22 The widget seems choppy Oct 27 12:53:58 quickdev: I bet it is Oct 27 12:54:04 This etk and e thing is crap, everybody knows that Oct 27 12:54:04 partly to do with glamo's bandwidth Oct 27 12:54:07 ;-o Oct 27 12:54:08 partly the cpu Oct 27 12:54:08 :-p Oct 27 12:54:13 and partly the way the rendering is done Oct 27 12:54:19 raster: it's not choppy with illume Oct 27 12:54:29 to "match" iphone quality gfx u have to have a more brut-force rendering approach Oct 27 12:54:45 I don't care about iphone quality Oct 27 12:54:46 that of course allows u all sorts of alpha blending and nice stuff that makes screenshots look droolworthy Oct 27 12:54:50 I was just wondering about that :-) Oct 27 12:55:11 raster, burt-force...what does it mean in this context? Oct 27 12:55:28 but thanks to there being no accel in glamo for the kindof rendering u need to match "iphone" Oct 27 12:55:29 or osx Oct 27 12:55:30 etc. Oct 27 12:55:30 of course we'd like to have a fluent list ;) Oct 27 12:55:35 u end up doing it in software Oct 27 12:55:41 and putnhing pixels up to the video ram Oct 27 12:55:48 and punting pixels to glamo is slow-as-arse Oct 27 12:55:56 quickdev: brut-eforce Oct 27 12:56:05 a scroll is a complete redraw of the region that scrolls Oct 27 12:56:10 not a "copy" (blit) Oct 27 12:56:12 but a redraw Oct 27 12:56:21 modern gfx cards that is all they do Oct 27 12:56:32 gl and 3d games have driven massive push to ultr-afast redraw Oct 27 12:56:35 raster, but software has to support it of course? Oct 27 12:56:38 and that is the wav evas is designed Oct 27 12:56:43 way Oct 27 12:56:50 the bonus is beautiful gfx Oct 27 12:56:55 but if either cpu is slow Oct 27 12:56:56 or ram is slow Oct 27 12:57:01 or video bus bandwdith is slow Oct 27 12:57:05 u suffer badly Oct 27 12:57:16 thats is why thngs actualyl are FASTER on a gta01 Oct 27 12:57:30 even with /12 the processing power Oct 27 12:57:39 gta03 will be faster without glamo? Oct 27 12:57:43 (its mem bandwidth is used by vga refresh partly) Oct 27 12:57:45 its faster Oct 27 12:57:54 as there is no bottleneck to get pixels to the frameubffer Oct 27 12:57:57 yes Oct 27 12:58:00 it'll be faster Oct 27 12:58:04 nowhere as smooht as iphone Oct 27 12:58:07 but better for sure Oct 27 12:58:20 fine.. Oct 27 12:58:23 what u are waiting for is a fully baked accelerator Oct 27 12:58:27 ie opengles-2.0 Oct 27 12:58:32 and full drivers for it Oct 27 12:58:38 (not skipng on features) Oct 27 12:58:43 yeah, that's what we want Oct 27 12:58:56 but there isn't one, right? ;) Oct 27 13:00:05 with open drivers? Oct 27 13:00:06 no. Oct 27 13:00:27 either that or u ewant a generally programmable simd multi-core co-processor u can turn into a gfx workhorse Oct 27 13:02:03 alphaone, how do I get the maximum character count for a message? Oct 27 13:04:02 quickdev: You need to trigger on IncomingStoredMessage in subsystems/oeventsd/fso_triggers.py Oct 27 13:04:15 quickdev: No API there yet, I need to add that Oct 27 13:04:39 alphaone, call sound is triggered automatically, incoming sms sound not? Oct 27 13:05:16 quickdev: Yes, but it seems the IncomingMessage trigger wasn't updated after my change from IncomingMessage to IncomingStoredMessage Oct 27 13:05:37 ok, so I don't need an API call if you fix it? Oct 27 13:06:24 quickdev: We talked about it in .tw, let me get it: Oct 27 13:06:36 how do u get max size for editing purposes? Oct 27 13:06:36 :) Oct 27 13:06:51 org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.FragmentUserdata(featureMap, text) -> a(s)i textparts, charsfree Oct 27 13:06:55 That was the idea Oct 27 13:08:19 hmm Oct 27 13:08:22 a little obscure Oct 27 13:08:23 but ok Oct 27 13:08:23 :) Oct 27 13:08:29 Heh :-) Oct 27 13:08:36 ok, alphaone, would be fine if you fix the incoming sms sound :) Oct 27 13:28:23 alphaone, mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.SendMessage string:0173462223 MSG {} .... I've got problem with parameter 1 and parameter 3. Could you give me an example? Oct 27 13:29:45 please try with cli-framework Oct 27 13:29:52 mdbus is not yet fit for complex arguments I'm afraid Oct 27 13:32:10 mickeyl, cli-framworkd: ImportError: No module named pydoc, when calling help(), is there a missing dependency? Oct 27 13:33:41 same for ImportError: No module named pkgutil Oct 27 13:34:49 quickdev: not dependency, help() is always calling pydoc, but pydoc is huge Oct 27 13:34:53 bbl, picking up laf0rge Oct 27 13:38:13 quickdev: You need to escape the strings with \" Oct 27 13:40:12 quickdev: mdbus ..... \"0123456\" "Foo text" \{\} maybe? Oct 27 13:40:21 Not sure about the curly brackets Oct 27 13:40:24 alphaone, cli-fraemworkd works Oct 27 13:40:31 okay Oct 27 13:40:38 alphaone, but no message is incoming on the other phone: is this right: http://rafb.net/p/HL0LO974.html ? Oct 27 13:41:17 69 was returned...by the SendMessage call Oct 27 13:41:20 but no SMS Oct 27 13:44:55 alphaone, have you tested send sms recently? :) Oct 27 13:45:43 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r9909d91194e1 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_triggers.py: Oct 27 13:45:43 freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Fix IncomingMessage trigger (thanks quickdev) Oct 27 13:45:43 freesmartphone.org: This follows the org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM API change from Oct 27 13:45:43 freesmartphone.org: IncomingMessage to IncomingStoredMessage Oct 27 13:46:09 quickdev: I think so, yeah Oct 27 13:46:35 quickdev: SendMessage should only return the network index, yeah Oct 27 13:46:39 Was the message sent? Oct 27 13:46:55 I did this: gsmsms.SendMessage('0173xxxx', 'TEST_CONTENT_NEO', {}); Oct 27 13:47:02 alphaone, how do I know if it was sent? Oct 27 13:47:21 quickdev: Did it arrive yet? :-) Oct 27 13:47:32 no, that's the problem Oct 27 13:47:42 hmm Oct 27 13:47:48 do you have the logs? Oct 27 13:49:13 let me restart the device and test again Oct 27 13:49:16 okay Oct 27 13:51:32 alphaone: How many tickets does this show to you? http://trac.freesmartphone.org/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&group=status&milestone=milestone4 Oct 27 13:51:39 alphaone: 20 or 22? Oct 27 13:52:13 20 Oct 27 13:52:15 * stefan_schmidt is confused why changing milestone tags works for the tickets but still show up in the query Oct 27 13:52:28 alphaone: ok, so it is firefox garbage Oct 27 13:52:36 ~lart this stupid browser Oct 27 13:52:38 stefan_schmidt: Hit update instead of Ctrl-R Oct 27 13:52:46 nope, it's trac feature Oct 27 13:52:52 alphaone: I did 10 times already.... Oct 27 13:53:04 ~lart trac to be 'smart' Oct 27 13:53:13 The bugs you changed should show up differently Oct 27 13:53:22 stefan_schmidt: Update, the button Oct 27 13:53:49 alphaone: jesus, _that_ is _not_ intuitive Oct 27 13:53:55 alphaone: thx Oct 27 13:54:11 jesus has nothing to do with it and it's quite handy Oct 27 13:54:46 alphaone: For what? Oct 27 13:54:59 I mean if I update a site I want the newest content, no? Oct 27 13:55:43 stefan_schmidt: Imaging you have your buglist and you want to see, what happened to them. Oct 27 13:56:19 someone else closed them, you closed some. Oct 27 13:56:22 alphaone: And the difference is showed how? Oct 27 13:56:39 alphaone: It just showed old content Oct 27 13:56:41 Just hit Ctrl-R and you'll see how far you got Oct 27 13:56:50 No, it shouldn't Oct 27 13:56:52 actually Oct 27 13:57:12 At least if you closed old bugs it will show in the closed category Oct 27 13:57:16 Anyway, after 'updating' the page they are gone Oct 27 13:57:58 I set MS to a different value Oct 27 13:58:19 Anyway, other thinks to care about then trac update features. :) Oct 27 13:59:08 And bugs that are newly created show up in italix Oct 27 13:59:11 italic Oct 27 13:59:14 Aouuuch Oct 27 13:59:41 sounds like Ainulindale is hurting ... Oct 27 13:59:52 alphaone: Not really good to see a difference then... Oct 27 13:59:59 Yeah Oct 27 14:00:07 stefan_schmidt: Whatever. Oct 27 14:00:08 My tooth hurts like hell Oct 27 14:00:19 alphaone: Anyway Oct 27 14:00:22 Just hit Update and keep your opinion. Oct 27 14:00:23 The dentist prescribed me cortizone Oct 27 14:00:27 I'll keep mine :-) Oct 27 14:00:32 Ainulindale: Ouch Oct 27 14:01:26 Ainulindale: he gave you drugs instead of pulling the bastard tooth out? Oct 27 14:02:01 * sicu is happy to see ticket #40 fixed and closed =] Oct 27 14:02:40 alphaone, still no sms, but money was booked from my card. http://rafb.net/p/9cDIrm84.html Oct 27 14:03:41 alphaone: It wasn't my intention to change your holy opinion. 'My' opinion is that it is confusing at best. But it is just a tool i need to remember a workaround for. Oct 27 14:04:03 whoa, touchy Oct 27 14:04:11 Sorry, wasn't meant that way Oct 27 14:04:28 stefan_schmidt: And please don't leave the channel now :-) Oct 27 14:04:33 alphaone, yeah, every send costs 20 cent...but receiver doesn't get anything..maybe the number is cought wrong? Oct 27 14:04:43 stefan_schmidt: heh, I'm not that _touchy_ ;) Oct 27 14:04:57 alphaone: I will just whine a bit in front of my pc Oct 27 14:04:58 stefan_schmidt: Was more a hint that I'll stop trying to convince you from the purity of my opinion :-) Oct 27 14:05:09 quickdev: Hmm, sounds bad.. Oct 27 14:05:17 alphaone: heh Oct 27 14:05:55 alphaone: How will we work with the stable branch now? We would need to update OE to use it at least Oct 27 14:06:24 alphaone: I'm in the mood of doing some serious testing for MS4, but we need a workflow for this I feel Oct 27 14:07:26 oevents works again? Oct 27 14:07:37 quickdev: Try and report Oct 27 14:07:48 will you fix it then? :) Oct 27 14:08:11 quickdev: At leat he will poke charlie ;) Oct 27 14:08:35 quickdev: Should be fixed Oct 27 14:08:46 fine..but first I'll try to solve the sms thing Oct 27 14:08:53 ah, don't know about what charlie broke Oct 27 14:09:22 alphaone: Wasn't mickey|bbl referring to something? Oct 27 14:12:47 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-f1958 Oct 27 14:12:49 wow Oct 27 14:13:09 someone has do a config in python and gtk for FSO Oct 27 14:13:27 app config Oct 27 14:15:24 url ? Oct 27 14:16:03 stefan_schmidt: Yeah, we'd need to change the recipies to use the stabilization branch Oct 27 14:16:13 you can also just do that locally, though Oct 27 14:16:51 alphaone: Sure, I was more thinking about how to handle this for the release and afterwards. Oct 27 14:17:16 alphaone: But that can wait. Changing locally and doing some buildsa tests is what I will do now Oct 27 14:17:24 okay Oct 27 14:17:43 Ainulindale, could you test sending a sms with cli-frameworkd? Oct 27 14:17:47 you get the command from me ;) Oct 27 14:18:01 sure, can do Oct 27 14:19:07 Let me die hurting for a bit Oct 27 14:19:31 Hire2: permalink? Oct 27 14:19:49 ops Oct 27 14:19:57 Coming back later Oct 27 14:20:03 http://n2.nabble.com/-FSO--config-utility-td1382471.html Oct 27 14:20:10 alphaone, Ainulindale, could some of you test: gsmsms.SendMessage('number here', 'TEST_CONTENT_NEO', {}); in cli-frameworkd? Oct 27 14:20:41 good luck Ainulindale Oct 27 14:20:56 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r4a630de01b4a 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fix lock screen and remove suspend handling Oct 27 14:21:37 Hire2, could you test a thing for me? ;) Oct 27 14:21:44 yes Oct 27 14:21:59 hire2 :( Oct 27 14:22:17 do you have cli-frameworkd? Oct 27 14:22:27 yes Oct 27 14:22:49 run it....and then the command I posted some lines ago....replace the number Oct 27 14:24:24 uhm Oct 27 14:24:39 FSO crashed Oct 27 14:24:55 frameworkd crashed? execute logread Oct 27 14:25:13 and spank mickey|bbl, daniel and co if it's not your fault ;) Oct 27 14:25:48 sooo i see Oct 27 14:26:33 post some info ;) Oct 27 14:26:50 alphaone: hmm, did you success to build with the git enabled parsing yet? Oct 27 14:27:02 Graaaah Oct 27 14:27:08 stefan_schmidt: No Oct 27 14:27:11 alphaone: It seems to work fine here, but in the end the build does not finish Oct 27 14:27:12 I swear that if that tooth hurts an hour more I'm removing it msyelf Oct 27 14:27:14 alphaone: strange Oct 27 14:27:25 I can't find an error here Oct 27 14:27:51 Ainulindale, why didn't the doc extract it? Oct 27 14:27:58 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r186b42f04682 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): oeventsd: handle suspend as a rule Oct 27 14:27:58 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * reb67178c2183 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' Oct 27 14:28:02 Because it's not necessary Oct 27 14:28:13 he thinks it is not Oct 27 14:28:22 what? stabilization/milestone4? Oct 27 14:28:25 Ainulindale, maybe you can test sms or help Hire2 if he has probs Oct 27 14:28:31 afk for 20 minutes Oct 27 14:28:54 quickdev i am doing some other test to see if it is a my fault :D Oct 27 14:28:56 Hire2: A branch where we stabilize fso for the MS4 release Oct 27 14:29:01 yes yes.. Oct 27 14:29:15 Hire2: We need to have a bit more stability in our releases... Oct 27 14:29:25 Hire2: nothing useful on this app by the way Oct 27 14:29:40 quickdev: what should I do ? Oct 27 14:29:50 so we have two branch? trunk and stable? Oct 27 14:29:57 Ainulindale Oct 27 14:30:01 open cli-frameworkd Oct 27 14:30:03 and do Oct 27 14:30:20 gsmsms.SendMessage('number here', 'TEST_CONTENT_NEO', {}); Oct 27 14:30:42 Backtrace. Oct 27 14:30:53 But that's normal Oct 27 14:30:58 quickdev: please give me your number Oct 27 14:31:06 backtrace? Oct 27 14:31:08 he is away Oct 27 14:31:20 alphaone: then give me your number :-p Oct 27 14:31:28 number? Oct 27 14:31:32 for SMS? Oct 27 14:31:33 alphaone: normal, I just pasted it blindly (expecting the error of cocurse) Oct 27 14:31:37 -c Oct 27 14:31:41 ah Oct 27 14:31:42 heh Oct 27 14:31:53 back Oct 27 14:32:16 alphaone: +what ? Oct 27 14:32:49 Man I have three different numbers Oct 27 14:33:01 Hire2, replace number here with the recipient number Oct 27 14:33:33 quickdev I have do that, obviously :D Oct 27 14:34:04 Hire2, show us the log please Oct 27 14:34:13 wait Oct 27 14:34:34 i am studying so i will be a little busy atm :\ Oct 27 14:35:02 sicu, btw., thanks for your good tickets Oct 27 14:35:47 ok alphaone got the quickdev one Oct 27 14:35:47 I'm not going to bother you except if you want it Oct 27 14:35:47 31 Oct 27 14:35:47 quickdev: did you receive it ? Oct 27 14:35:48 Damned connection Oct 27 14:35:50 Between my teeth and my connection I feel doomed Oct 27 14:36:00 no Oct 27 14:36:03 didn't receive anything Oct 27 14:36:13 well Oct 27 14:36:14 >>> gsmsms.SendMessage('00491746578305', 'TEST_CONTENT_NEO. Cucumber error, please reboot the universe.', {}); Oct 27 14:36:14 Ainulindale: that's fine Oct 27 14:36:17 31 Oct 27 14:36:28 Woops sorry for the abusive paste Oct 27 14:36:35 My hand ripped :-/ Oct 27 14:37:02 alphaone, could you finally test it? seems there's a bug....because 2 people tested cliframeworkd and libframeworkd-glib :) Oct 27 14:37:57 Aaaaaaaah the cortisone is working at last Oct 27 14:38:16 quickdev: I'm on it Oct 27 14:38:21 alphaone, thanks Oct 27 14:40:17 quickdev: np =] submiting tickets is easy ... your part is trickier ;] Oct 27 14:41:13 Ainulindale, how should I call the speaker button? Just "Speaker" ? Oct 27 14:41:53 Yes :-) Oct 27 14:42:29 Ainulindale, didn't we want to speak with mickey|bbl about the calypso thing? Oct 27 14:42:56 We will Oct 27 14:43:03 A friend of mine who has a freerunner is here Oct 27 14:43:06 I'll talk to you later Oct 27 14:44:53 Ainulindale: ooooh ... it's a gathering of dysfunctional hardware ;p Oct 27 14:45:33 quickdev: Ah, I know Oct 27 14:45:50 quickdev: Try sending numbers in international format, that should work Oct 27 14:46:17 alphaone, shouldn't that be corrected in frameworkd? Oct 27 14:46:44 alphaone, Ainulindale already tried to send a sms from france to germany(international format...with 0049 appended) Oct 27 14:47:34 *prepended Oct 27 14:49:30 committing fix... Oct 27 14:49:30 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r2b80f1ba544f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Use PDUAddress.guess for org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.SendMessage Oct 27 14:49:32 now Oct 27 14:49:53 00 is not international format, + is Oct 27 14:49:58 ah, ok Oct 27 14:51:22 bugs are disappearing :) Oct 27 14:54:09 * Hire2 is going to be crazy with tcdump Oct 27 14:54:19 i need to pass this exam Oct 27 14:54:28 what's tcdump? Oct 27 14:54:54 tcpdump sorry :D Oct 27 14:55:35 heh, and how does tcpdump helps with an exam? Oct 27 14:55:54 tcpdump prints a description of the contents of packets of an network interfaces Oct 27 14:56:35 because I am studying to become an admin system I need to use it :) Oct 27 14:56:51 a network Oct 27 14:57:10 system admin Oct 27 14:57:15 hrr :) Oct 27 14:57:41 however quickdev before is a my fault Oct 27 14:57:42 alphaone, work for you: http://rafb.net/p/2ZpDoM93.html Oct 27 14:58:08 but I get some bad problem with dialer3, messages3 and contacts3 Oct 27 14:58:25 Hire2, ophonekitd might be crashed Oct 27 14:58:51 ps aux | grep ophonekitd - if there's nothing exception grep, then restart it by calling /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ophonekitd Oct 27 14:59:06 if i launch messages3 or contacts3 before my network get registred Oct 27 14:59:16 ophonekitd crash Oct 27 14:59:23 quickdev: You just copied the mediator file? Oct 27 14:59:35 ah, yeah, that's the prob Oct 27 14:59:50 quickdev: Though shalt update your frameworkd! Oct 27 15:00:10 I fear oeventsd bugs, but I'll do it Oct 27 15:01:12 hiretto sounds good Oct 27 15:03:16 alphaone, congrats! it's finally working :) Oct 27 15:03:28 quickdev: Cool Oct 27 15:03:56 nice quickdev Oct 27 15:04:13 * quickdev closes the next ticket Oct 27 15:05:14 is there an overview of the frontends to FSO which are currently under development? sort of hard to keep track. I thought zhone is what openmoko inc will be using. Oct 27 15:07:35 wow Oct 27 15:07:41 ticket #1 :D Oct 27 15:08:06 dcordes zhone is a test app Oct 27 15:08:08 quickdev, Ainulindale: What do I need to do to build an shr-image Oct 27 15:08:26 you can get it from shr bearstech Oct 27 15:08:35 Hiretto, yea by now I got that. now I'm wondering what are the upcoming alternatives. Oct 27 15:09:02 alphaone, it's very easy Oct 27 15:09:11 or get wget http://shr.bearstech.com/Makefile Oct 27 15:09:16 quickdev: Is there an image.bb? Oct 27 15:09:17 next make setup Oct 27 15:09:23 alphaone: yes Oct 27 15:09:27 and next make image Oct 27 15:09:35 yeah, http://shr.bearstech.com/Makefile Oct 27 15:09:44 but I will get always an error with gcc native Oct 27 15:09:55 but I think it is a intrepid's fault Oct 27 15:10:00 And if you actually like bitbake and want to use it directly? Oct 27 15:10:05 ie. bitbake shr-image Oct 27 15:10:20 dcordes: you will see an upcoming alternative Oct 27 15:10:31 alphaone: you can bb the image :-) Oct 27 15:10:37 (that's what I do) Oct 27 15:10:44 but for now, no Oct 27 15:10:53 alphaone, it's possible, too....but you need to get some shr files...which are downloaded by the shr makefile Oct 27 15:10:56 Hiretto, do you refer to the one by openmoko inc. ? Oct 27 15:10:59 argh, i need to study !!! Oct 27 15:11:20 nono, a community-driven frontend for fso Oct 27 15:12:57 quickdev: Hmm, I can't find the shr-image files... Oct 27 15:12:59 someone should set up a wiki page for building shr Oct 27 15:13:10 alphaone, one moment...I'm doing it myself and posting the commands Oct 27 15:13:11 it just exists Oct 27 15:13:28 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Development Oct 27 15:13:45 quickdev: Cool, thanks Oct 27 15:14:10 alphaone, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Development - it's up to date Oct 27 15:14:16 but use testing instead of unstable Oct 27 15:14:50 and you need to setup the local.conf to get some sane revs...ask me if you got so far Oct 27 15:19:26 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07stabilization/milestone4 * r9182ea6fbf3d 10framework/ (conf/example/frameworkd.conf framework/persist.py): persist: add support for the pickle format and use it per default Oct 27 15:20:18 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r83328aadbb05 10/ (conf/example/frameworkd.conf framework/persist.py): Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' Oct 27 15:28:19 alphaone, local.conf things are updated: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Bulding%20SHR Oct 27 15:28:32 thankd Oct 27 15:28:34 thanks Oct 27 15:30:10 alphaone, it's basically fso with additional packages, nothing more Oct 27 15:30:23 quickdev: ah, okay Oct 27 15:33:48 quickdev on http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Features you can add also "incoming and outgoing sms" Oct 27 15:34:15 You can also add "And it boots !" Oct 27 15:34:33 Hiretto, yeah, done Oct 27 15:37:33 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Features <-- do you like it? Oct 27 15:38:41 8 bugs to go Oct 27 15:38:54 Hiretto, are there any SHR screenshots/videos? Oct 27 15:39:02 no :) Oct 27 15:39:21 argh Oct 27 15:39:48 today I have studied 10 pages :| Oct 27 15:40:15 if I continue so I will never get a certficate how sys admin :| Oct 27 15:47:42 Hiretto, keep learning, you'll pass it ;) Oct 27 15:48:30 Hiretto, thanks for wiki page, better now Oct 27 15:53:38 :( Oct 27 15:53:57 and with this economic crysis I can't find a damned work Oct 27 15:56:18 Hiretto, system admins are always wanted ;) Oct 27 15:56:24 at least in germany ;) Oct 27 15:56:28 5B Oct 27 15:56:31 whoops Oct 27 15:57:26 here in Italy I have problem with that Oct 27 15:59:27 employers want always someone with experience Oct 27 16:00:11 but if them doesn't want to assume me how can I do "this" experience? Oct 27 16:00:19 I could imagine, there's big difference between italy and germany in that branch Oct 27 16:02:06 it's annoy me Oct 27 16:03:45 Ainulindale, I updated openmoko and shr wiki pages Oct 27 16:04:34 nice work Oct 27 16:04:51 you can do an "call to community" on the ml if you want Oct 27 16:04:55 a call argh Oct 27 16:07:01 I'll do that when we'll be ready to release :-) Oct 27 16:07:28 Ainulindale, I set the revision of frameworkd to the latest commit Oct 27 16:07:38 ok :-) Oct 27 16:09:20 we should add speaker support and sms answers...to release Oct 27 16:12:20 handle the bug #35 Oct 27 16:13:07 hehe, the question is how Oct 27 16:16:36 Hiretto, come to germany and teach mit italian and you'll learn german and find a job here ;) Oct 27 16:16:45 s/mit/me/ Oct 27 16:19:51 uhm, interesting :o Oct 27 16:20:04 i will teach you some italians food Oct 27 16:22:52 good morning, can someone tell me how to disable qemu-native ? I have some problems building it and do not really need it. Oct 27 16:23:00 FSO Oct 27 16:25:09 thseiler: Have you turned off locals generation yet? Oct 27 16:25:21 qemu is used to generate the local for arm Oct 27 16:25:31 thseiler: Let me search the config option Oct 27 16:26:03 thseiler: That one in your local.conf should disable it: Oct 27 16:26:05 ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" Oct 27 16:28:10 http://pastebin.com/m59438724 Oct 27 16:28:33 gtk+ doesn't exist on shr beartech repo? Oct 27 16:29:06 stefan_schmidt: thank you very much !!! Oct 27 16:29:20 thseiler: no worries :) Oct 27 16:30:37 Hiretto, add http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/ to your opkg config Oct 27 16:31:01 alphaone: I'm in BS tomorrow. Should I bring my BT GPS reciever for some testing? Oct 27 16:31:44 quickdev: Here am I again Oct 27 16:31:48 Need a hand ? Oct 27 16:31:50 Ainulindale, welcome back Oct 27 16:31:54 of course Oct 27 16:32:04 Ainulindale, I've got a little problem Oct 27 16:32:10 I changed the frameworkd version in shr-autorev.inc Oct 27 16:32:13 ah oh yeah I see Oct 27 16:32:16 So do I Oct 27 16:32:19 He's called quickdev Oct 27 16:32:24 :-p Oct 27 16:32:28 then bitbake -c clean frameworkd and then bitbake frameworkd Oct 27 16:32:34 Yes ? Oct 27 16:33:29 the old version: 838, new 833....the new one is compiled.....but not in http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/ Oct 27 16:33:56 I'm wondering why.. Oct 27 16:34:51 Ainulindale, you can use the build host...I disabled building Oct 27 16:35:00 Doing that right now Oct 27 16:35:25 ok, I'm testing speaker out Oct 27 16:35:37 Nice :-) Oct 27 16:35:50 quickdev: don't forget to try with call released both ways Oct 27 16:35:56 i.e. user release and callee release Oct 27 16:36:13 Because I'm not sure about the push/pop behavior with events in between in a call Oct 27 16:37:08 s/testing/coding/ Oct 27 16:37:17 Packaged contents of frameworkd into /home/shr/shr-testing/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/frameworkd_0.8.4.2+gitr83328aadbb05c56c9e22035c79d16bbab20e6f3d-r0.1_armv4t.ipk Oct 27 16:37:49 now there's a new version...damn..how did you do it? ;) Oct 27 16:37:54 please build package-index Oct 27 16:38:00 Already did Oct 27 16:38:03 How I did it ? Oct 27 16:38:07 It comes with the experience :-) Oct 27 16:38:30 quickdev: cd shr-testing; . setup-env; bitbvae -c clean frameworkd Oct 27 16:38:36 then bitbake frameworkd Oct 27 16:39:01 strange. Oct 27 16:39:03 Anyway Oct 27 16:39:06 Cortizone is great Oct 27 16:39:08 I did it exactly the same way Oct 27 16:39:19 fine that you're better now Oct 27 16:39:23 quickdev: using bitbvae ? Oct 27 16:39:28 yeah, using bitbake Oct 27 16:39:31 The special dislexic version of bitbake ? :-) Oct 27 16:40:35 Ainulindale, gsmspeakerout or stereoout? the former one, right? Oct 27 16:40:51 Your guess is as good as mine Oct 27 16:40:54 :-) Oct 27 16:43:05 rwhitby: Can you have a look at http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/170 ? Oct 27 16:43:36 rwhitby: I already fixed a typo in pidgin.inc, no idea what else do you need for updating the feeds? Oct 27 16:43:48 http://git.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e2a67ce604d5e3e96359ef53af8ce44e102fa61 Oct 27 16:47:58 Ainulindale, try opkg update && upgrade - do you get the new frameworkd? 833 ? Oct 27 16:48:16 I wonder how opkg can differ between git revisions... Oct 27 16:48:26 Based on package-index Oct 27 16:49:13 does upgrade work for you? Oct 27 16:49:27 nope Oct 27 16:49:47 then the package-index is not up to date ;) Oct 27 16:49:58 NOTE: package package-index-1.0: completed Oct 27 16:49:58 NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 55 tasks of which 54 didn't need to be rerun and 0 failed. Oct 27 16:50:01 NOTE: build 200810271739: completed Oct 27 16:50:06 I don't know what you did with lfg and lfp Oct 27 16:50:14 But I have post inst errors everywhere Oct 27 16:51:19 is that a problem? Oct 27 16:51:26 Yes, it 's not clean :-) Oct 27 16:51:52 Hmmmm that's weird Oct 27 16:51:58 Package isn't here anymore Oct 27 16:52:04 I guess I know what happened Oct 27 16:52:25 package-index deleted the old version Oct 27 16:52:50 Is this the right place for FSO idea discussions? Oct 27 16:55:27 bobkare: ML is better, but you can talk about that as well :-) Oct 27 16:55:56 Ainulindale, there's almost no difference between speakerout and handset Oct 27 16:56:17 Did you look at the alsa scenarii ? Oct 27 16:56:26 ouch, i'm beginning to think my mailserver will kill me if I subscribe to any more ml's Oct 27 16:56:29 ;0 Oct 27 16:56:33 s/0/;/ Oct 27 16:56:35 bobkare: try nabble :-) Oct 27 16:57:52 quickdev: ipk is here Oct 27 16:58:27 Ainulindale, I didn't have a look at the secnari yet.. Oct 27 16:58:37 So what are you saying ? Oct 27 16:58:41 No difference while testing ? Oct 27 16:59:53 Anyway, I work for a phone directory company and was thinking it would be cool if I could create a small background app that would listen to a dbus signal which the phone app would call on an incoming call. then it could ask our servers for a reverse number match and if it matches the phone gui would display this name as well as the number. This of course only if the number isn't in the phones phonebook Oct 27 16:59:56 a very slight difference...btw...gsmhandset is too lound Oct 27 17:00:13 quickdev: It should output in speaker mode Oct 27 17:00:22 root@om-gta02:~# opkg install -force-reinstall frameworkd Oct 27 17:00:22 Reinstalling frameworkd (0.8.4.2+gitr838377bdf37f333f9ed65402345444f4b16f8d9a-r0.1) on root... Oct 27 17:00:25 (by the way) Oct 27 17:00:30 That's weird Oct 27 17:01:34 bobkare: what? O_o Oct 27 17:02:15 bobkare: doable using libframeworkd-glib or direct dbus mappings Oct 27 17:03:12 Ainulindale: is there a signal for this already? Oct 27 17:03:16 Yes Oct 27 17:03:31 bobkare: the directory is accessible as webservice or can anyone just download/buy it? Oct 27 17:03:39 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.html;hb=HEAD <= bobkare Oct 27 17:03:43 "CallStatus" Oct 27 17:04:47 wiedi: We'd setup some small webservice that would answer these queries. Yes, this would probably cost money at some point, but I don't think it's worth the trouble to do billing as of now since I think the number of FSO users in norway is _very_ small Oct 27 17:05:21 You'd be surprised ! :-) Oct 27 17:05:38 heh, I have a very good feeling I know all of them... Oct 27 17:05:43 ;-) Oct 27 17:06:01 Ainulindale, still the thing, argh ;) Oct 27 17:06:31 quickdev: fixed Oct 27 17:06:39 quickdev: opkg -force-depends remove frameworkd Oct 27 17:06:43 opkg install frameworkd Oct 27 17:06:52 and for the other users? ;) Oct 27 17:07:05 Hmmm, maybe a "Go fuck yourself" sticker ? :-) Oct 27 17:07:50 Collected errors: Oct 27 17:07:50 * Package frameworkd md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'. Oct 27 17:07:57 I think the problem is the revision Oct 27 17:07:58 Ainulindale: yes, that tells me there is a call incoming. I know I can get that. Where would I send the number I found? And in a perfect world this lookup should also be done after a local pim lookup since this would go over gprs thus cost money Oct 27 17:07:59 Reupdate :-) Oct 27 17:08:05 quickdev: it went through here quickdev Oct 27 17:08:11 But in between I regenerated the package Oct 27 17:08:28 bobkare: that's an UI problem Oct 27 17:08:33 alphaone, is opkg able to recognise a package version by its git revision? frameworkd.. Oct 27 17:08:47 FSO, as in frameworkd, doesn't handle that Oct 27 17:09:27 Ainulindale: surely the framework should, since it handles both calls and pim, tell the ui "this number is calling, it's name is such" Oct 27 17:09:31 quickdev: scrollbar is too small :-) Oct 27 17:09:41 how huge are your fingers?? Oct 27 17:09:45 bobkare: PIM hasn't been done yet Oct 27 17:10:02 quickdev: pretty normal, but that's because I'm not a lady ! :-) Oct 27 17:10:30 get to a doctor, hehe Oct 27 17:10:30 i know, but it will be handled Oct 27 17:11:05 bobkare: I know, but what you're describing won't be doable Oct 27 17:11:13 Not in frameworkd Oct 27 17:11:51 so the framework won't tell the ui what person is calling, even after the pim stuff is done? Oct 27 17:12:11 Yes it will but you won't be able to "intercept" it without bothering about the UI :-) Oct 27 17:12:12 the ui will only be told that number 12345678 is calling? Oct 27 17:12:21 Ainulindale, sound is working roughly, didn't notice the switch between speakers Oct 27 17:12:25 bobkare: I don't know what mickey|bbl thinks about that Oct 27 17:12:51 bobkare: but my guess is that the behavior will be : you receive a signal with a given number Oct 27 17:13:01 And you explictely ask to PIM for the name Oct 27 17:13:03 +i Oct 27 17:13:13 bobkare: for now, yes :) Oct 27 17:13:31 we need a better integration of opimd on fso Oct 27 17:13:36 Better ? Oct 27 17:13:42 An integration Oct 27 17:13:45 Not a better one Oct 27 17:13:48 There's no pim integration Oct 27 17:14:03 well, you are right :D Oct 27 17:14:06 (One could say we can only do better :-) Oct 27 17:14:14 we need only a simple initial import Oct 27 17:14:21 There's one already Oct 27 17:14:32 Highly untested and unstable Oct 27 17:14:41 sounds to me like it would be a good idea if there could be a fallback thing there, so the ui say "Please tell me who's calling" and the framework will first try pim then possibly send a signal to fallback stuff like this directory service of mine Oct 27 17:15:24 bobkare: In fact you'll be able to declare "directories" in pim Oct 27 17:15:29 E.g ldap Oct 27 17:15:44 And it will try to find a matching entry there Oct 27 17:16:05 So in your case, you could patch frameworkd to be able to define webservices Oct 27 17:16:06 Hm, so maybe the correct place to put this stuff is as a plugin or something to the pim stuff? Oct 27 17:16:11 Or to define the feature and ask for its integration Oct 27 17:18:15 Well, since I don't know the language frameworkd is written in I think I'll put this in a ticket instead... Oct 27 17:20:12 framework/general or something is the most correct component? Oct 27 17:21:08 Ainulindale, recompile libframeworkd-phonegui-efl to get speaker support Oct 27 17:23:03 Love you babe :-) Oct 27 17:23:28 the new frameworkd sometimes makes the ophonekitd to suspend even with usb connected Oct 27 17:23:45 That's because there are rules now for suspend Oct 27 17:23:56 ah, that's why Oct 27 17:24:33 But here I didn't notice that Oct 27 17:24:39 Oh, something completely different: I'm running fso-testing and can't send sms. known issue? (it just shows up as (unsent) in the list of messages) Oct 27 17:25:02 bobkare: Use SHR :-) Oct 27 17:25:32 Man what a pleasure to be able to chew Oct 27 17:25:34 quickdev: Only to a degree... Oct 27 17:25:47 quickdev: the gitr strings take care of that Oct 27 17:25:58 stefan_schmidt: Please do Oct 27 17:26:07 stefan_schmidt: Hmm, you're in BS tomorrow Oct 27 17:26:30 is it possible to switch by changing out my opkg repos, or should i not try something that "interesting" and go for a reflash? :) Oct 27 17:26:31 alphaone: ok, it's in the bag Oct 27 17:26:32 Tomorrow morning is breakfast for the first semester students Oct 27 17:26:42 alphaone: ah, really Oct 27 17:26:46 stefan_schmidt: O Oct 27 17:26:51 I was thinking of going Oct 27 17:26:53 alphaone: That would fit my schedule :) Oct 27 17:26:58 :-) Oct 27 17:27:18 Will bi in BS from 8:00 an my only lecture is from 13:15 - 14:45 Oct 27 17:27:21 * alphaone will take a look at contiki for his Seminar presentation Oct 27 17:27:28 cool Oct 27 17:27:32 alphaone, and if two git hashes start with 833 and 838, there last one will be considered as the new version, right? Oct 27 17:27:43 alphaone: What time? Inf plaza I guess Oct 27 17:28:03 Yes, plaza Oct 27 17:28:07 I'm looking now Oct 27 17:29:08 stefan_schmidt: stuck again with webkit-gtk_svn.bb, internal compiler error: cc1plus: /usr/include found in path... any idea ? Oct 27 17:29:28 thseiler: oh, weird Oct 27 17:29:43 thseiler: It tries to use host includes Oct 27 17:29:47 thseiler: No idea why Oct 27 17:30:00 12 o'clock Oct 27 17:30:04 My build it borked with gstreamer here :( Oct 27 17:30:11 alphaone: great Oct 27 17:30:17 alphaone: Will be there. Oct 27 17:30:25 stefan_schmidt: no lucky build day, today... Oct 27 17:30:28 * stefan_schmidt is away for diner. Later guys Oct 27 17:30:35 thseiler: yeah, seems so. :( Oct 27 17:30:41 stefan_schmidt: enjoy :-) Oct 27 17:32:06 alphaone, and if two git hashes start with 833 and 838, there last one will be considered as the new version, right? Oct 27 17:32:08 Package recompiled by the way quickdev Oct 27 17:32:25 Ainulindale, alphaone's answer might be very interesting Oct 27 17:32:40 How am I supposed to set speakerout quickdev ? Oct 27 17:32:51 there's a button Oct 27 17:33:02 there are 3 buttons while calling Oct 27 17:33:09 Not here, I guess it didn't update the sources Oct 27 17:33:19 did you do make update-shr? Oct 27 17:33:19 s/it/I/ Oct 27 17:33:38 Naaah Oct 27 17:33:40 Too much work Oct 27 17:33:51 I'd rather let it do it automagically (c) mickey|bbl Oct 27 17:34:19 (recompiling right now) Oct 27 17:36:52 package-indexing now Oct 27 17:38:16 have to leave now Oct 27 17:38:18 quickdev: what about the edje problem ? Oct 27 17:38:20 (the theme) Oct 27 17:38:28 which theme problem? Oct 27 17:38:34 white text on white bg Oct 27 17:38:44 get a new image Oct 27 17:39:12 you shouldn't deal with 3 week old images ;) Oct 27 17:39:21 Heh Oct 27 17:39:57 I don't like your tone, young man ! :-) Oct 27 17:41:06 sorry grandfather ;) Oct 27 17:41:35 Aaaah the scrollbar Oct 27 17:41:38 What a good thing Oct 27 17:41:43 Took you approximatively two seconds Oct 27 17:41:49 saves me a lot of pain :-) Oct 27 17:42:02 quickdev: release tomorrow ? Oct 27 17:42:34 two seconds, correct ;) Oct 27 17:42:43 answer sms does not work ;) Oct 27 17:42:50 but we could release...yeah, hehe Oct 27 17:42:54 No :-) Oct 27 17:42:58 before we should test the new frameworkd Oct 27 17:42:59 We'll release when answer SMS will work Oct 27 17:43:06 Ah yes I forgot about that Oct 27 17:44:07 we don't know which bugs mickey and alphaone foist on frameworkd Oct 27 17:45:15 Ainulindale, and we should get some screen locking mechnisms Oct 27 17:45:44 however...you wanted to create a plan Oct 27 17:47:26 and a settings app Oct 27 17:47:47 with the lastest effort of raster on e Oct 27 17:47:48 good point Oct 27 17:47:58 with a nice and good icons Oct 27 17:47:58 Hiretto, which latest efforts? elementary? Oct 27 17:48:23 yes and a better integration of illume with e Oct 27 17:48:25 Hiretto, please add tickets for those feature if not yet done ;) Oct 27 17:48:31 and Oct 27 17:48:38 as i told you this pm Oct 27 17:48:51 pm? pim? Oct 27 17:49:07 you will handle the ticket #35 Oct 27 17:49:52 Ainulindale, http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/35 Oct 27 17:50:02 afternoon Oct 27 17:50:02 Ainulindale, how? a short info msg? Oct 27 17:50:12 not pm, sorry :D Oct 27 17:50:41 post meridiem? ;) Oct 27 17:51:01 also :D Oct 27 17:51:38 hi Oct 27 17:52:01 Is there any changelog about the today's image of shr? Oct 27 17:52:51 quickdev: Alert on the messages app Oct 27 17:53:08 ok Oct 27 17:53:12 a red SIM FULL ! Oct 27 17:53:21 "Please delete messages or reboot the universe" Oct 27 17:53:23 Ainulindale, yeah...under the folder view, fine Oct 27 17:53:40 ehm... what ware news about new shr? Oct 27 17:54:04 sylar, http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Features Oct 27 17:54:10 Why do you ask that ? To absorb our awesome coding powers sylar ? :-) Oct 27 17:54:15 you should get the latest image and do opkg update && opkg upgrade Oct 27 17:55:28 Ainulindale: eheh, are you a hereos fan? :D Oct 27 17:55:40 have to lave Oct 27 17:55:42 *leave Oct 27 17:55:55 quickdev: I relaunched the buildhost generation Oct 27 17:55:57 Ainulindale, keep managing the store;) Oct 27 17:55:58 (manually) Oct 27 17:56:01 :\ Oct 27 17:56:07 Hiretto: yep Oct 27 17:56:10 Ainulindale, yeah, hopefully with the new frameworkd, hehe :D Oct 27 17:56:13 have a good evening Oct 27 17:56:19 you too Oct 27 17:56:26 girlfriend is calling Oct 27 17:56:28 cya Oct 27 17:56:29 bye quickdev Oct 27 17:57:06 a girlfriend is more interesting than coding? Oct 27 17:57:16 Naaah Oct 27 17:57:18 yes I read it but... I can't understand if I have to install the version of today... I have yet installed an older version of some days ago Oct 27 17:57:19 what the frack, we are nerds Oct 27 17:57:21 He's young Oct 27 17:57:24 That's all Oct 27 17:57:31 Ainulindale, you could ask the community per mailing list to test before reĺeasing it...but confirm the latest image then..and the opkg thing Oct 27 17:57:33 off Oct 27 17:57:37 sylar: just opkg update/upgrade Oct 27 17:57:48 :\ Oct 27 17:57:54 a young man Oct 27 17:58:20 Ainulindale: thanks Oct 27 18:08:02 Hiretto, sylar Oct 27 18:08:12 Would you be so kind so as to report your experience with SHR on the ml ? Oct 27 18:11:40 Good evening mokos :-) Oct 27 18:12:02 Ainulindale: I'm building an SHR image, at last ! Oct 27 18:13:52 There's one online you know Oct 27 18:17:37 Ainulindale: really ? Oct 27 18:17:45 couldn't find a link... Oct 27 18:17:58 that would probably be faster Oct 27 18:18:33 aah, there's a getting started page ! Oct 27 18:22:47 shr.bearstech.com MarcOChapeau Oct 27 18:22:54 in shr-testing Oct 27 18:23:04 And I'm eagerly waiting for your implementation of the dialer :-) Oct 27 18:23:08 lazy ass ! Oct 27 18:23:24 By the way, the image is being regenerated at the moment Oct 27 18:23:29 With the latest kernel and such Oct 27 18:24:12 todays image seems baked. Kernel might be in progress since I can't find today's build Oct 27 18:24:24 MarcOChapeau: that's because we suspended the build Oct 27 18:24:35 Ainulindale is early for a review Oct 27 18:24:37 Download the image available Oct 27 18:24:45 Hiretto: I didn't talk about reviews Oct 27 18:24:55 I just talked about your point of view on the distro Oct 27 18:24:59 What you liked, what you disliked Oct 27 18:25:04 What you'd like to see in it Oct 27 18:25:08 uhm Oct 27 18:25:08 Just for the ML Oct 27 18:25:14 Just to be able to attend your needs Oct 27 18:25:19 into community or shr ml? Oct 27 18:25:22 shr Oct 27 18:25:30 I see Oct 27 18:25:46 The goal being to be able to know what you want, what you think is missing Oct 27 18:26:06 i will can do it Oct 27 18:26:44 Thanks a lot Oct 27 18:26:47 and MarcOChapeau Oct 27 18:26:50 You're truly lazy :-) Oct 27 18:26:59 quickdev managed to do what you didn't do in two weeks Oct 27 18:27:08 There's a record to fight for there :-) Oct 27 18:27:12 :-D Oct 27 18:27:12 Please honour old people like us Oct 27 18:27:16 lol Oct 27 18:43:54 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r308 10/trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Added elm_layout_demo and some changes on python-elementary Oct 27 18:57:46 hmmm ... why does there suddenly have to be so much shr activity when i'm about to leave for a week :/ Oct 27 18:58:15 sorry sicu :) Oct 27 18:58:19 =p Oct 27 18:58:44 you can leave the flat and boring real life for a thing more exciting like shr :) Oct 27 19:03:27 Ainulindale: hi, your remove/install frameworkd trick works Oct 27 19:03:41 Ainulindale: but I have a problem with frameworkd-config - still the old one Oct 27 19:04:25 mrmoku: do the same then :-) Oct 27 19:04:39 Package is frameworkd-config Oct 27 19:04:42 Ainulindale: doesnt get build :( Oct 27 19:04:47 yes it does Oct 27 19:04:51 in om-gta02 Oct 27 19:05:02 Add it to your opkg sources Oct 27 19:05:05 it's commented out Oct 27 19:05:50 oh, the lazy pig :) Oct 27 19:05:55 Ainulindale: did so - and if I look at http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/ipk/om-gta02/ I can only see the 838 one Oct 27 19:06:05 Ah my bad then Oct 27 19:06:24 is always your bad :o Oct 27 19:06:35 Indeed ;-) Oct 27 19:06:53 mrmoku: rebuilding it now Oct 27 19:06:57 Ainulindale: any idea what the default IP is ? Oct 27 19:07:01 Ainulindale: thanks Oct 27 19:07:04 192.168.0.202 Oct 27 19:07:12 As ever Oct 27 19:07:17 mrmoku: you're welcome Oct 27 19:07:26 thanks :-) Oct 27 19:07:29 And same that I told to the others mrmoku Oct 27 19:07:36 Please report your experience on the ML Oct 27 19:07:50 mrmoku: please wait for two minutes or so for the config package Oct 27 19:08:08 Ainulindale: ok Oct 27 19:09:58 Should be good to update/upgrade now Oct 27 19:10:06 Hmmm Oct 27 19:10:14 In a minute Oct 27 19:10:19 bitbake takes a while to parse its files Oct 27 19:10:24 i have don't tested but fso/shr has full suspend/resume? Oct 27 19:12:04 Yes Oct 27 19:12:16 mrmoku: still parsing Oct 27 19:13:13 Ainulindale: still waiting :-) Oct 27 19:15:35 Done Oct 27 19:15:49 I didn't test it but it should be good Oct 27 19:16:18 Hmm that's weird Oct 27 19:16:25 Package wasn't generated Oct 27 19:17:44 mrmoku_: it shouldn't matter though, should be working either wat Oct 27 19:17:49 s/wat/way/ Oct 27 19:18:10 Hmmpf, this package thing is a pain Oct 27 19:18:22 I have to do some stuff here, will look back in a while Oct 27 19:19:18 i have english Oct 27 19:19:22 i prefer italian :\ Oct 27 19:19:25 hate Oct 27 19:19:44 Ah I know why mrmoku_ Oct 27 19:19:51 That's because I launched the generation again Oct 27 19:19:56 (image generation) Oct 27 19:20:48 It will be done as soon as the gta01 image generation will be done Oct 27 19:21:32 Ainulindale: this is generation of package list for shr repo? I just flashed shr on my phone, should i wait for this generation to happen then try opkg update/upgrade? Oct 27 19:21:45 No Oct 27 19:21:47 You can do it now Oct 27 19:22:02 But you should reflash with the latest image as soon as it's generated Oct 27 19:22:24 oh, so opkg upgrade isn't enough? Oct 27 19:24:23 Yes it is Oct 27 19:24:27 But it's cleaner that way :-) Oct 27 19:25:19 a bit too clean, given i want some of my settings etc to be kept... Oct 27 19:25:49 hmf, ERROR: libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0.postinst returned 1 Oct 27 19:26:16 Yep Oct 27 19:26:19 I know about that Oct 27 19:26:21 But that doesn't amtter Oct 27 19:26:25 It still gets intalled Oct 27 19:26:27 +s Oct 27 19:26:31 I'll look into that bobkare Oct 27 19:26:44 it seems to do that every time i run upgrade Oct 27 19:27:52 and it's the only package it tried upgrading, is that correct? Oct 27 19:31:43 Ainulindale: gnome-pty-helper missing ? Oct 27 19:39:11 hi guys Oct 27 19:39:53 could you tell me if the source of the gsm stack is open for modification? Oct 27 19:42:04 no, the gsm stack is internal to the modem Oct 27 19:43:06 and applications talk to it via AT commands or by using a special API? Oct 27 19:43:54 AT commands Oct 27 19:44:13 ok thanks Oct 27 19:47:31 Ainulindale http://n2.nabble.com/SHR--27-10-2008--td1383932.html Oct 27 20:02:41 Thanks a lot but you should have reported the caveats you managed to see Hiretto :-) Oct 27 20:06:28 Ainulindale: how is suspend supposed to work? Like in FSO (pressing power for some seconds)? Oct 27 20:08:11 There's no manual suspend for now Oct 27 20:08:14 But I'm thinking about it Oct 27 20:08:25 Right now it suspends if there's no active call and if you're not charging Oct 27 20:08:58 thanks Oct 27 20:09:48 via the timeout in frameworkd.conf? I'm suffering WSoD and need some way to turn it off ;) Oct 27 20:11:10 i have reported what I see if I flash shr on my FR Oct 27 20:11:22 and I want to see on it Oct 27 20:11:50 for a future release Oct 27 20:12:30 we need to wait now what other users think about SHR Oct 27 20:12:35 and other experience Oct 27 20:20:52 If there's no active calls and if you aren't charging it will suspend mrmoku Oct 27 20:20:57 It's in ophonekitd Oct 27 20:38:57 Hey Oct 27 20:39:28 quickdev: hi :-) Oct 27 20:39:40 hey Marc Oct 27 20:55:17 noooo I get a wsod on my freerunner :( Oct 27 20:55:49 quickdev can you update illume and e-wm to the last rev as 36882? Oct 27 20:56:25 not now...sorry Oct 27 20:56:50 ok :D Oct 27 20:58:24 Hiretto: when do you get WSoD? After resume or after unblanking the screen? Oct 27 20:58:38 nono Oct 27 20:58:47 it isn't for that Oct 27 20:58:59 i am "working" on an edje Oct 27 21:00:13 Hiretto: ah, something else... white on purpose :-) Oct 27 21:00:54 eh :\ Oct 27 21:01:06 but i need an updated illume and e-wm Oct 27 21:01:32 however I find an artworker for SHR Oct 27 21:03:46 ui could need some art ;) Oct 27 21:04:35 Ainulindale, welcome back Oct 27 21:07:32 yeah Oct 27 21:09:03 Ainulindale, here? Oct 27 21:09:10 yes Oct 27 21:09:27 just finished watching the last desperate housewives with my girlfriend Oct 27 21:09:45 argh ;) Oct 27 21:09:57 ? Oct 27 21:10:03 Ainulindale, http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/47 - I made a comment, probably a kernel issue Oct 27 21:10:20 desperate moko owners Oct 27 21:10:31 Ainulindale, is solyluna on irc somewhere? Oct 27 21:10:38 I don't think so Oct 27 21:10:42 And I never ahd this problem Oct 27 21:10:49 s/ahd/had/ Oct 27 21:11:42 yeah, because you never used a bad kernel ;) Oct 27 21:12:34 or could we see the kernel version through his logfiles? Oct 27 21:13:02 I don't think so Oct 27 21:13:45 Ainulindale, is there anything against removing htop? Oct 27 21:15:01 What do you mean ? Oct 27 21:16:26 the Htop utility on neo's desktop Oct 27 21:17:08 Why would you remove it ? Oct 27 21:18:09 Ainulindale, because it's no utility you daily use? because it can only be used through terminal? Oct 27 21:18:20 So what ? :-) Oct 27 21:18:25 because it can simply be installed through a package? Oct 27 21:18:25 Is opkg useful for daily use ? Oct 27 21:18:36 that's something different ;) Oct 27 21:18:42 Not that much Oct 27 21:18:48 In fact if you want my opinion Oct 27 21:18:51 I don't really care Oct 27 21:19:06 As long as the basic functionnalities of a phone are covered Oct 27 21:19:09 I'm happy Oct 27 21:19:11 And as for htop Oct 27 21:19:17 I think we should listen for user comments in the upcoming release Oct 27 21:21:06 Ainulindale, they will be bothered because it does not work atm ;) Oct 27 21:21:45 The launched does not work Oct 27 21:21:49 s/launched/launcher/ Oct 27 21:21:56 yeah Oct 27 21:22:15 would you have included htop if it wasn't in fso? Oct 27 21:22:21 quickdev: listen, I don't think this is a priority, if you feel like it is, feel free to ask on the ML :-) Oct 27 21:22:28 As for myself Oct 27 21:22:30 I don't care at all Oct 27 21:22:37 I'm used to install what I need :-) Oct 27 21:22:48 yeah, ok, I remove it...minor thing Oct 27 21:22:55 Don't remove it that quick :-) Oct 27 21:23:00 Ask about that first Oct 27 21:23:06 There's other people out there on SHR Oct 27 21:23:16 People who will become active again soon Oct 27 21:23:20 MarcOChapeau is one of them Oct 27 21:23:21 Ainulindale, btw....we should make a wiki page for images / kernels we recommend Oct 27 21:23:24 could you do that? Oct 27 21:23:27 wurp2|meeting, etc Oct 27 21:25:32 Ainulindale, what about that recommended image page? Oct 27 21:26:14 quickdev: I first have to do the planning, and as for kernels, could you please send me your latest results about suspend/Resume etc ? Oct 27 21:26:14 Anyway, girlfriend's calling Oct 27 21:26:14 Be back in a while Oct 27 21:26:24 SHR Image ? Oct 27 21:26:40 when are you back? Oct 27 21:29:26 Sorry but my connection is borking right now Oct 27 21:29:26 I'll come back when it's working Oct 27 21:29:26 Bacj then but if my connection borks again I won't be here Oct 27 21:29:26 This is pretty random :-/ Oct 27 21:29:26 In any case I'll be there at 23h Oct 27 21:29:28 Just for you baby boy :-) Oct 27 21:30:08 hehe, ok Oct 27 21:53:14 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r309 10/trunk/python-elementary/src/ (elementary.pxd elementary.pyx window.pxd): First implementation of classes window and box Oct 27 21:56:48 quickdev: is numptyphysics supposed to work? for me it doesn't Oct 27 21:57:13 mrmoku, was it pre-installed or did you install a package? Oct 27 21:57:25 quickdev: pre-installed Oct 27 21:57:31 please file a ticket ;) Oct 27 21:57:43 quickdev: ok Oct 27 22:01:49 quickdev: another thing... frameworkd-config is not in sync with frameworkd. I was talking with Ainulindale about it and he wanted to rebuild... Still not there Oct 27 22:04:30 mrmoku, how did you see that the config is not in sync with frameworkd? Oct 27 22:05:24 quickdev: the git hash of the package is still 838... and not 833... Oct 27 22:05:58 mrmoku, we didn't solve that thing yet. one moment. alphaone, here for a short question? Oct 27 22:07:52 quickdev: take your time :-) I copied the frameworkd.conf from the git source... Just thought it should be solved before the first release ;) Oct 27 22:08:08 yeah, right, thanks :) Oct 27 22:17:44 raster, does elementary use _one_ edj file? Oct 27 22:18:15 * raster yawns Oct 27 22:18:16 morning Oct 27 22:18:19 quickdev: crappy connection Oct 27 22:18:23 quickdev: ummm for the theme? Oct 27 22:18:27 raster, yes Oct 27 22:18:45 Ainulindale, couldn't you get a new provider? ;) Oct 27 22:19:11 Ainulindale, if you've time..make a little plan..as we talked about Oct 27 22:19:20 not today...but maybe tomrrow Oct 27 22:20:52 quickdev: correct. Oct 27 22:25:17 I'll do that quickdev, today was a bit difficult as a friend of mine I haven't seen for a while came in Oct 27 22:25:25 And far more interesting he's developing on the FR Oct 27 22:26:04 Ainulindale, what is he developing? :) Oct 27 22:26:32 He's working on a mediaplayer Oct 27 22:29:03 He fun thing this thread "Splash screen during boot" Oct 27 22:29:09 First author, Daniel, second one Robin Oct 27 22:29:12 "Daniel Robin" Oct 27 22:33:34 Ainulindale, didn't you know before that he has a freerunner? ;) Oct 27 22:33:48 Yes I knew but these days I've been busy a lot Oct 27 22:42:10 quickdev: right now elementary has no theme fallback and overlay system Oct 27 22:42:14 (like e) Oct 27 22:49:26 raster, atm I'm using edje + etk and elementry would replace etk, right? what would be the benefits? Oct 27 22:53:03 hmm Oct 27 22:53:05 smaller Oct 27 22:53:18 better direct integration with edje/evas Oct 27 22:53:29 and in the end more geared to mobile/touchscrene displays Oct 27 22:53:33 dpi scaling out of the box Oct 27 22:53:42 ummm... sexier theme out of the box? Oct 27 22:55:18 raster, is there a screenshot? :) Oct 27 22:55:51 just a minute Oct 27 22:55:55 let me take one Oct 27 23:04:05 ok, if i wanted to build myself a customish distribution based on the "base" image, using FSO frameworkd, and have the ability to get calls while in standby, what would i have to do? Oct 27 23:09:42 sirkha_top, why not build on top of FSO / SHR? Oct 27 23:10:12 i probably could do it on top of FSO, its empty enough, but what would i need to do? Oct 27 23:10:22 quickdev: btw, was there some simpler phone app than zhone? Oct 27 23:10:24 to cross compile things for it and stuff Oct 27 23:10:34 http://www.rasterman.com/files/elementary-1to1.png Oct 27 23:10:38 http://www.rasterman.com/files/elementary-2to1.png Oct 27 23:10:59 lindi-, we build a simple phone app for SHR Oct 27 23:11:00 (2to1 is scaled as if it were on a 285dpi screen) Oct 27 23:11:27 1to1 is the "minimum" scaling Oct 27 23:11:32 ie 142dpi or less Oct 27 23:11:42 quickdev: it seemed to require dependencies that are not in debian yet Oct 27 23:11:49 quickdev: frameworkd-glib something Oct 27 23:12:05 (well as such elementary respects/uses e17's scale properties and scales as e would - if not it will just assume 1:1 scaling - ie 142dpi) Oct 27 23:12:41 lindi-, yeah, not yet in debian Oct 27 23:12:56 quickdev: i already commented out the brightness control part of zhone Oct 27 23:13:05 quickdev: since i don't want that a phone program does that Oct 27 23:13:23 quickdev: maybe i should package those? Oct 27 23:13:33 quickdev: which parts of frameworkd does it require? Oct 27 23:13:57 lindi-, libframeworkd-glib is a C wrapper for the frameworkd dbus functions Oct 27 23:14:00 quickdev: that is, can i have frameworkd not listen to /dev/input/event* at all? Oct 27 23:14:16 quickdev: yep but what functionality of frameworkd does the simple phone app need? Oct 27 23:14:30 lindi-, ogsmd only afaik ;) Oct 27 23:14:43 ok, any quick source code links? ;) Oct 27 23:15:05 svn://daria.forty-two.fr/shr/trunk Oct 27 23:15:26 or shr.bearstech.com/shr-sources Oct 27 23:15:27 lindi-, but it will fail on debian, because dbus has a default client timeout of 25 seconds Oct 27 23:15:32 you need to recompile dbus Oct 27 23:15:42 huh? Oct 27 23:15:46 lindi-: currently our phone software uses ogsmd and odeviced Oct 27 23:15:51 quickdev: how can that be an issue? Oct 27 23:16:00 Ainulindale: oh, why does it need odeviced? Oct 27 23:16:06 Power control and sound scenarii Oct 27 23:16:11 (e.g. "Speaker Out") Oct 27 23:16:14 Suspend too Oct 27 23:16:18 lindi-, because in openembedded dbus is patched for longer timeouts and debian hasn't got that patch Oct 27 23:16:23 but i don't want it to control power Oct 27 23:16:45 lindi-, talk with Ainulindale Oct 27 23:16:48 have to leave now Oct 27 23:16:51 ok :) Oct 27 23:16:53 have a good night Oct 27 23:17:06 quickdev: but is that dbus patch sent upstream? Oct 27 23:17:21 lindi-: It's in ophonekitd right now but it will be removed as the ability to manage that in oeventsd has been developed recently Oct 27 23:17:31 In any way the speaker out functionnality is tied to odeviced Oct 27 23:17:41 hmm Oct 27 23:18:14 lindi-, http://git.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=commit;h=4bcb1f1320fbf99139bc69447ccc0ae6bd4f0ff5 Oct 27 23:18:35 lindi-, ask alphaone wether it's upstream Oct 27 23:18:37 off now. Oct 27 23:18:40 ok Oct 27 23:18:44 alphaone: is it upstream? ;) Oct 27 23:18:55 good night guys :) Oct 27 23:19:07 Damn Oct 27 23:19:16 ferric isn't here and a message of mine needs moderation Oct 27 23:20:21 lindi-: No, but thanks for reminding me Oct 27 23:20:28 I need to post that to the list Oct 27 23:21:08 i'm seriously thinking about writing a really simple phone app that just talks to /dev/ttySAC0 directly and does nothing extra Oct 27 23:21:13 if i wanted to be able to build off of the FSO image, and cross compile stuff onto it, what would i need to do, is there a wiki page or something that describes this? Oct 27 23:21:53 lindi-: IMHO, this isn't a wise choice, and it's a difficult thing to maintain Oct 27 23:21:58 lindi-: bad idea, imho Oct 27 23:22:05 And it won't be able to handle different devices/chipsets Oct 27 23:22:10 And I'm alphaone-redundant Oct 27 23:22:17 sure it will be freerunner-only Oct 27 23:22:27 lol Oct 27 23:23:07 point is that it could be so simple that it would be easy to debug Oct 27 23:23:13 lindi-: Handling all the different states the Calypso could be in before, during and after a call is not as easy as you might think at first Oct 27 23:24:27 if i only figured out how to make dbus-monitor display return values of method calls then maybe frameworkd would be easier to debug Oct 27 23:24:42 now i often see that zhone does not notice new SMSs and i need to restart it to see the messages Oct 27 23:25:50 alphaone: sure it's not easy but it gets even more complex when you have things like dimming the screen when idle mixed to the same program Oct 27 23:26:22 (and my X can very well turn the display off when idle) Oct 27 23:28:31 lindi-: Then just enable that subsystem Oct 27 23:28:44 alphaone: you mean disable? Oct 27 23:30:26 lindi-: frameworkd -s ogsmd or enable = 0 the config for the specific subsystems Oct 27 23:30:44 alphaone: but zhone does not start if i disable odeviced Oct 27 23:30:58 i am editing zhone to make that happen but it'll take a while Oct 27 23:31:29 ah Oct 27 23:31:48 well, it's probably zhone's fault anyway :-) Oct 27 23:31:56 at least i commented out the lines that control brightness Oct 27 23:32:16 so that i can control brightness myself without having to stare at full backlight when i am in dark room Oct 27 23:45:44 zhone no longer controls brightness Oct 27 23:45:52 that functionality has been factored out into the rules Oct 27 23:45:56 waiting for you to tweak Oct 27 23:46:02 bb tomorrow, g'night Oct 28 00:02:29 mickey|zzZZzz: in debian it still does Oct 28 01:37:04 stefan_schmidt: did you sort out the pidgin thing you were asking me about earlier? Oct 28 01:44:20 flashing the splash image to the root fs partition doesn't work, go figure ... Oct 28 01:44:24 argh! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 28 02:59:57 2008