**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 01 02:59:57 2008 Nov 01 05:49:48 pure curiosity, milestone 4? (wiki says... well today in part of the world, yesterday in most of it) Nov 01 10:14:48 hello Nov 01 10:15:03 has shr anywhere screenshots? Nov 01 10:37:56 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-October/034881.html Nov 01 10:59:21 jdv Nov 01 11:01:21 vdj Nov 01 11:01:53 \lastlog Nov 01 11:07:42 Hey Nov 01 11:07:55 hi Nov 01 11:12:23 Hi at all! I've a question about building SHR! Nov 01 11:13:17 there is a missing dependancy in the shr-image.bb called 'e-wm-config-netbook' Nov 01 11:17:58 michael-w, I build it on two machines yesterday and it worked fine Nov 01 11:19:13 I followed the wiki instruction and started from plain Nov 01 11:22:52 hey quickdev Nov 01 11:23:00 hey PBeck Nov 01 11:23:17 i had now the time to flash shr => no application (except the dialer-application) won't start. Nov 01 11:23:38 -won't Nov 01 11:23:41 +s Nov 01 11:24:12 PBeck, can paste the /tmp/ophonekitd.log ? Nov 01 11:24:17 *can you Nov 01 11:25:52 michael-w, run make update-shr, I removed the dependency Nov 01 11:27:00 quickdev: is it a problem when no sim-card is insert? Nov 01 11:27:10 PBeck, yes, sure Nov 01 11:27:16 it won't work without Nov 01 11:27:21 quickdev: ok test nr. 2 ;) Nov 01 11:27:25 quickdev: one moment Nov 01 11:28:05 quickdev, okay. I will run. Nov 01 11:29:14 quickdev: why is a not insert sim a problem for calendar, etc? Nov 01 11:29:37 quickdev: for application without the need to have phone, sim capabilitys Nov 01 11:29:57 PBeck, dialer, messages, contacts all need the sim card Nov 01 11:30:58 quickdev, now I get 'xserver-kdrive-splash-illume' is missing Nov 01 11:31:47 quickdev: argh yes my mistake - no calendar application ;) Nov 01 11:32:17 michael-w, removed it, too Nov 01 11:32:22 did I have to build anything before runing make image in shr-testing? Nov 01 11:32:57 michael-w, ah, wait, I think I know where the problem is Nov 01 11:34:38 michael-w, we're using rasters oe branch Nov 01 11:34:50 and the makefile does not use that atm Nov 01 11:35:07 it has to go upstream....but you can build the image if you switch to rasters oe branch Nov 01 11:35:12 cd openembedded ; checkout raster Nov 01 11:35:14 bitbake shr-image Nov 01 11:35:57 quickdev: ok i had dialed my familie with the contacts application :) Nov 01 11:36:07 PBeck, did it work? Nov 01 11:36:30 quickdev: yes, i had answered a call from my family, too Nov 01 11:36:31 quickdev i tested yesterday with Ainulindale and it works very well Nov 01 11:36:34 nice job :) Nov 01 11:36:39 but we have some issue Nov 01 11:36:44 quickdev: messages wont work Nov 01 11:36:46 as no icons Nov 01 11:37:07 PBeck, what's the problem with messages? Nov 01 11:38:16 quickdev, how is the url to rasters oe? Nov 01 11:38:44 michael-w, http://git.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/raster Nov 01 11:38:44 quickdev: inbox 92208 messages => show => kills the application Nov 01 11:39:21 PBeck, strange. Nov 01 11:40:01 PBeck, could you help debugging? Nov 01 11:40:11 run it from terminal please, with DISPLAY=:0.0 Nov 01 11:40:49 quickdev: how is the application-name? Nov 01 11:40:57 openmoko-messages Nov 01 11:41:00 openmoko-messages3 Nov 01 11:41:53 ** (process:1361): DEBUG: messages_input() input: show Nov 01 11:41:53 ** (process:1361): DEBUG: event_callback() Nov 01 11:41:53 ** (process:1361): DEBUG: messages_event() Nov 01 11:41:53 ** (process:1361): DEBUG: Event: 5 Nov 01 11:41:53 Segmentation fault Nov 01 11:42:40 this when you try to send a sms? Nov 01 11:42:42 quickdev: it's strange that i have 92208 messages? Nov 01 11:42:46 yes Nov 01 11:42:52 PBeck, of course Nov 01 11:43:02 because I have 8 sms Nov 01 11:43:02 Hiretto: when i mark inbox and tap on the show button Nov 01 11:43:10 mmm strange Nov 01 11:43:19 because to me it works well Nov 01 11:43:33 PBeck, logread Nov 01 11:43:38 any frameworkd errors? Nov 01 11:44:50 quickdev: no errors Nov 01 11:45:16 now I will re-test it Nov 01 11:45:36 Oct 31 20:14:15 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: Alignment trap: openmoko-messag (1375) PC=0x40100f2c Instr=0xe7920104 Address=0x00000001 FSR 0x013 Nov 01 11:46:14 inbox: 4 sms Nov 01 11:46:21 PBeck, please configure /etc/frameworkd.conf with, log_to = file, log_destination = /tmp/frameworkd.log, and DEBUG instead of info and paste the log please Nov 01 11:46:34 how many sms you have into your sim? Nov 01 11:47:31 quickdev: restart the frameworkd? Nov 01 11:47:52 PBeck, yes, and ophonekitd....it would be best if you restart the whole device Nov 01 11:52:55 quickdev: restart => o messages in inbox Nov 01 11:53:04 quickdev: i send me an sms one moment Nov 01 11:53:05 0? Nov 01 11:53:09 wait Nov 01 11:53:15 network is registred? Nov 01 11:54:11 Hiretto, 0 might be ok Nov 01 11:54:18 Hiretto: i has no messages on my sim-card - thats right Nov 01 11:54:19 :\ Nov 01 11:54:21 *had Nov 01 11:54:22 ahhh Nov 01 11:54:23 ok :D Nov 01 11:55:50 quickdev Nov 01 11:56:20 maybe I find an artworker Nov 01 11:56:45 but he want some info about what he need to do Nov 01 11:57:50 Hiretto: artworker would be great :p Nov 01 11:57:53 yes Nov 01 11:58:08 would shr contact openmoko? Nov 01 11:58:28 but i don't know what to say to him :\ Nov 01 11:58:41 i think shr and openmoko has now the same target => e application on fso Nov 01 11:58:56 sure PBeck Nov 01 11:59:06 but shr is more stable than om 200* :) Nov 01 11:59:30 Hiretto: so why not bundle the "energy" :D Nov 01 11:59:49 in the future... Nov 01 11:59:53 hum i cant see my sned sms :) Nov 01 11:59:59 *send Nov 01 12:01:51 PBeck, did you send it from your neo? outgoing sms not yet in a folder, because PIM is not ready Nov 01 12:02:15 quickdev: i have sent an sms to my neo Nov 01 12:02:16 PBeck when PIM is ready we can see the sended sms Nov 01 12:02:23 PBeck, did you receive it? Nov 01 12:03:11 quickdev: i dont know Nov 01 12:03:26 there should appear an incoming message dialog Nov 01 12:03:33 quickdev: no dialog Nov 01 12:03:43 PBeck, you may suffer from the gsm bug Nov 01 12:04:02 the calypso bouncy rubber ( #1024 ) bug Nov 01 12:04:26 quickdev: one moment i have send a second sms Nov 01 12:04:51 ui i receiving a sms - great :) Nov 01 12:05:01 but without sound Nov 01 12:05:12 when the phone is into suspend Nov 01 12:05:15 PBeck, that's a frameworkd issue. Nov 01 12:05:21 could you post the log? Nov 01 12:05:57 argh when i now launch the messages application => 99208 messages Nov 01 12:06:05 argh a second launch => 1 message Nov 01 12:06:47 how can i answer a sms? the button wont work Nov 01 12:06:58 yeah, it's missing...fixing some things locally atm Nov 01 12:07:04 ;) Nov 01 12:07:23 and I'm moving to elementary Nov 01 12:07:38 quickdev: oh great Nov 01 12:08:55 quickdev: now i send a sms :) Nov 01 12:09:17 quickdev: is it possible to use the send-sms application with contacts? Nov 01 12:09:30 PBeck, not yet Nov 01 12:09:40 also planned :) Nov 01 12:10:04 quickdev, thank you. After fighting with git (i'm not used to), now bitbake is running. Nov 01 12:10:26 fine Nov 01 12:10:39 michael-w, you should get familiar with git, it's a very nice utility :) Nov 01 12:10:49 quickdev Nov 01 12:11:03 are you going to use elementary for dialer, contacts and messages now? Nov 01 12:11:22 because I find an artworker Nov 01 12:11:42 Hiretto, yes Nov 01 12:11:44 and I don't know what I can tell him for mockup and icons Nov 01 12:11:52 Hiretto, who is it? Nov 01 12:12:07 i "find" it on ubuntuforums Nov 01 12:12:18 I have another artworker but is always busy :\ Nov 01 12:13:17 quickdev, you're right. (normaly svn user :) Nov 01 12:13:36 Hiretto, he could build an elementary theme..but the current one isn't bad afaik Nov 01 12:13:44 michael-w, I was, too...but git is better :) Nov 01 12:14:00 quickdev: i find it very nice Nov 01 12:14:03 we need mockups Nov 01 12:14:15 for the UI Nov 01 12:15:00 and wp, buttons, ideas, icons Nov 01 12:15:16 so if we need a good point on how you can make the ui is more easy to do Nov 01 12:15:23 yeah...but let's wait till the elementary interface is ready Nov 01 12:15:40 quickdev: ok sms sending works :) Nov 01 12:15:42 when it will be ready? ( so I can tell him how can works on it ) Nov 01 12:16:54 Hiretto, one week approximately Nov 01 12:16:59 ok Nov 01 12:17:23 get it :D Nov 01 12:18:18 quickdev: great work to all of the shr team :) Nov 01 12:18:26 quickdev do you have see the alarm app of raster? Nov 01 12:18:38 it uses elementary Nov 01 12:18:46 PBeck: if you want you can test it Nov 01 12:19:27 Hiretto: i like the alarm app - great work of raster :) Nov 01 12:19:47 is it good english to say => of raster or from raster? Nov 01 12:20:36 of, I think Nov 01 12:20:47 ok thanks :) Nov 01 12:21:21 PBeck we can see the dialer beautiful as the alarm app :o Nov 01 12:21:28 PBeck, where are you from? :) Nov 01 12:21:31 Hiretto: it's great when anybody understands my english :p Nov 01 12:21:54 quickdev: i'am from Baden-Württemberg :) Nov 01 12:22:04 in the near of Stuttgart/Ludwigsburg Nov 01 12:22:16 my english sucks and it is a very insult for an Italian Nov 01 12:23:02 Hiretto: hrhr Nov 01 12:24:13 PBeck, NRW Nov 01 12:24:33 but it is nice to see how Ainulindale wrong some italian's words :D Nov 01 12:25:08 PBeck, I've got the same problem. 92080 messages now, will fix it. Nov 01 12:25:11 Hiretto: who is Ainulindale ? Nov 01 12:25:18 quickdev: great :p Nov 01 12:25:35 PBeck, Ainulindale did the dbus work for the shr apps. libframeworkd-glib. Nov 01 12:25:48 quickdev: ok :) Nov 01 12:27:19 and why I don't get that problem? Nov 01 12:29:17 Hiretto, maybe you haven't got the latest revision, don'tknow ;) Nov 01 12:31:02 :( Nov 01 12:31:16 i want the opmid ready :( Nov 01 12:32:12 i have run into quite a few problems building shr-testing so far Nov 01 12:32:23 hurray Nov 01 12:32:55 the latest one appeared after doing "make shr-update" Nov 01 12:32:57 http://rafb.net/p/brwy0K31.html Nov 01 12:33:10 it wants e-wm-config-illume all of a sudden :-X Nov 01 12:33:36 tomboy64, because illume is not working with the current oe branch, we switched to raster's branch Nov 01 12:33:53 tomboy64, if you want to make it working temporarily, go to the openembedded directory Nov 01 12:33:58 and execute git branch raster Nov 01 12:34:04 then go to shr/shr-testing Nov 01 12:34:06 and execute Nov 01 12:34:08 . setup-env Nov 01 12:34:10 bitbake shr-image Nov 01 12:34:28 quickdev: so you noticed illume not checking out a few days ago? Nov 01 12:34:37 illume-config, that is Nov 01 12:34:53 it seemed to be a bug in oe Nov 01 12:34:54 yeah, illume was moved to enlightenment Nov 01 12:34:59 yeah, it is Nov 01 12:35:08 zecke wrote me a patch for that Nov 01 12:35:39 it works by checking out the peg-revision Nov 01 12:35:57 are you interested in it? i was about to submit it to the oe-devel list Nov 01 12:35:58 Ainulindale, here? Nov 01 12:36:51 tomboy64, our current image uses the new enlightenment illume. It would be best if raster manages to put things upstream. Nov 01 12:37:06 but on the other side..we could repair the "normal" build Nov 01 12:37:15 I'd like to know Ainulindale's opinion Nov 01 12:37:29 new as in not yet merged + going to be the future illume? Nov 01 12:38:03 yes, right Nov 01 12:40:49 quickdev: http://rafb.net/p/pfdcDY13.html Nov 01 12:40:53 that's the patch Nov 01 12:41:25 http://rafb.net/p/mxUo9676.html Nov 01 12:41:28 that's the new svn.py Nov 01 12:41:35 tomboy64, it's a bitbake problem? Nov 01 12:41:42 yes Nov 01 12:41:56 or rather an svn problem Nov 01 12:42:22 tomboy64, will the patch go into bitbake? Nov 01 12:42:42 svn tries to be smart about revisions and so if you check out an older revision of a file it goes to the latest revision and tries to go back to the old file Nov 01 12:43:21 in this case impossible, since the whole thing was simply moved so it can't find the file in the HEAD revision - where it starts looking for it Nov 01 12:43:35 interesting Nov 01 12:44:18 svn provides the peg-revision-syntax for that: svn co [options] http://url/to/somewhere/module module Nov 01 12:44:21 that's the normal way Nov 01 12:44:45 svn co [options] http://url/to/somewhere/module@1337 module Nov 01 12:44:59 it takes revision 1337 as reference instead of HEAD Nov 01 12:46:02 tomboy64, will it go into bitbake upstream? Nov 01 12:46:19 i think so, yes Nov 01 12:46:44 because the shr makefile checks out the newest bitbake afaik Nov 01 12:50:01 well, i'm about to write a mail to the bitbake-devel-ml Nov 01 12:50:56 yeah, would be fine Nov 01 13:15:17 quickdev: it's out Nov 01 13:15:27 ok, good :) Nov 01 13:16:22 -.- Nov 01 13:16:28 your fix doesn't work Nov 01 13:16:43 $ git branch raster Nov 01 13:16:45 warning: refname 'org.openembedded.dev' is ambiguous. Nov 01 13:16:47 fatal: Ambiguous object name: 'org.openembedded.dev'. Nov 01 13:18:39 quickdev: ? Nov 01 13:19:21 toggles_w, git branch origin/raster does not work? Nov 01 13:19:59 quickdev: nope Nov 01 13:20:05 same Nov 01 13:20:56 tomboy64, please have a look at the git manual how to change the branch...haven't ever experienced that error Nov 01 13:22:02 quickdev: to which branch should i switch? "origin/raster"? Nov 01 13:22:22 yeah, raster branch. have a look at git.openembedded.org Nov 01 13:39:06 quickdev: here Nov 01 13:39:11 by the way Nov 01 13:39:17 I didn't do only the dbus stuff please mind :-) Nov 01 13:39:34 yeah, I didn't say that it was the only thing you do :) Nov 01 13:39:44 but it was the beginning of everything :) Nov 01 13:40:05 You're making it sound as if I was old Nov 01 13:40:30 Anyway, quickdev, last image is working well Nov 01 13:40:31 you are, definitely ;) Nov 01 13:40:37 First boot is lengthy but that's normal Nov 01 13:40:41 Problems, so far Nov 01 13:40:43 yeah, packages are configured Nov 01 13:40:48 Terminal2 won't work because of gnome-pty-helper Nov 01 13:40:49 No icons Nov 01 13:40:51 atm I'm changing to elementary Nov 01 13:41:04 gnome-ptry-helper? what's the problem? not included? Nov 01 13:41:06 And I think that's pretty much all Nov 01 13:41:18 quickdev: try to launh openmoko-terminal and you'll see Nov 01 13:41:49 Ainulindale, yeah, it does not exist Nov 01 13:42:25 however Nov 01 13:42:42 we need the holgar's nand timings fixes into the kernel Nov 01 13:43:02 Hiretto: watch your mouth, don't use bad words ! Nov 01 13:43:18 * Hiretto goes to the corner Nov 01 13:43:27 o.O Nov 01 13:43:35 bad words? Nov 01 13:44:08 ;-) Nov 01 13:44:19 * tomboy64 is clueless Nov 01 13:44:46 Hiretto, our kernel version is defined by the openembedded's sane-srcrevs.inc file. Somebody will update that file if there's a new kernel ;) Nov 01 13:45:09 * Hiretto goes to see it Nov 01 13:45:16 tomboy64: This was merely a joke :-) Nov 01 13:45:27 uhm ... kayyyy Nov 01 13:45:40 * tomboy64 jumps up and down excitedly Nov 01 13:45:51 seems like bitbake shr-image finally works Nov 01 13:46:06 only 3000 taks left :-X Nov 01 13:47:44 # this is alphabetical! Nov 01 13:47:44 # yes, really! Nov 01 13:47:44 # you know what that means? like... a, b, c, d, e, f, g... Nov 01 13:50:02 * tomboy64 is too dumb for the jokes in this room Nov 01 13:55:02 quickdev: do you which package delivers gnome-pty-helper ? Nov 01 13:55:10 no, I don't know Nov 01 13:55:18 will look then Nov 01 13:57:43 if you can fix that it will be cool Nov 01 13:57:59 because tomorrow I will do a trip and I want to test SHR with navit Nov 01 13:58:13 But you don't need that right ? Nov 01 13:58:23 I need the terminal :\ Nov 01 13:58:28 without it i can't live Nov 01 13:58:31 Hmpf :-) Nov 01 13:59:04 * Hiretto cries Nov 01 14:00:30 It should be in libzvt Nov 01 14:00:47 Or libvte Nov 01 14:00:56 libvte Nov 01 14:01:22 uhm Nov 01 14:01:29 will the xterm work? Nov 01 14:02:12 Hmmm funny Nov 01 14:02:17 Now it doesn't complain about gnome-pty-helper Nov 01 14:02:21 But still it doesn't display a term Nov 01 14:03:13 E crashed Nov 01 14:03:32 It's bound to happen :-) Nov 01 14:04:02 and it says " ANK SPANK!!!! Now go to fix your code. Tut tut tut!GHTY PROGRAMMER!!! SPANK UP" Nov 01 14:04:40 export DISPLAY=:0.0 Nov 01 14:05:00 quickdev: hahaha Nov 01 14:05:07 you didn't even read what he said Nov 01 14:05:12 Pure reflexes =) Nov 01 14:05:26 lol Nov 01 14:05:59 Hiretto: currently rebooting to test that :-) Nov 01 14:06:03 By the way Nov 01 14:06:09 quickdev Nov 01 14:06:22 Do you know why icons such as the tangogps one don't appear ? Nov 01 14:06:34 Ainulindale: I know I know ... I am not so noob :D Nov 01 14:07:05 Then tell me :-) Nov 01 14:07:13 Ainulindale: yes, it's a illume's issue Nov 01 14:07:23 Ainulindale, don't know...you should ask raster, hehe ;) Nov 01 14:07:27 you need to use the rev 36882 Nov 01 14:07:27 Meaning Hiretto ? Nov 01 14:07:33 quickdev: I was just wondering if you did something :-) Nov 01 14:07:54 Hiretto: ok then. Will put the srcrev Nov 01 14:08:00 Ainulindale: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-October/034881.html Nov 01 14:08:46 however.. you can talk with raster and see if he solved the issue Nov 01 14:09:20 When he'll be there Nov 01 14:10:14 Well, no error now, but still no terminal Nov 01 14:11:17 xterm? Nov 01 14:11:20 i prefer it Nov 01 14:11:31 openmoko-terminal2 won't work, that's for sure Nov 01 14:11:38 Will try xterm Nov 01 14:20:33 /sbin/ldconfig: Can't open configuration file /etc/ld.so.conf: No such file or directory Nov 01 14:20:50 touch ld.so.conf Nov 01 14:20:56 yallah! Nov 01 14:21:07 ERROR: '/home/tboy/dev/SHR/shr-testing/shr/openembedded/packages/images/shr-image.bb' failed Nov 01 14:21:15 I know but it isn't nice :\ Nov 01 14:21:20 as resolv.conf Nov 01 14:21:40 why don't put into it dns of opendns? Nov 01 14:22:08 Because we like to bug you Nov 01 14:22:22 :/ Nov 01 14:22:25 mickey|zzZZzz ? :-) Nov 01 14:22:51 shhhhh Nov 01 14:22:52 Hiretto: ok xterm packaged Nov 01 14:22:54 If you want it Nov 01 14:22:55 he is sleeping Nov 01 14:23:01 nice :o Nov 01 14:23:23 I'd like to understand now why om-terminal2 isn't working Nov 01 14:23:44 mwester? Nov 01 14:24:51 tomboy64 Nov 01 14:25:37 you have something of importance for me to say, Hiretto? Nov 01 14:25:52 nothing, I want to ping someone so I choose you :o Nov 01 14:26:02 thanks Nov 01 14:26:06 * tomboy64 walks off Nov 01 14:26:08 you are welcome :o Nov 01 14:27:43 Ainulindale: I don't know but i prefer xterm :D Nov 01 14:29:00 Hiretto: have you figured out how to copy something to clipboard with xterm? Nov 01 14:29:19 it isn't possible, for now Nov 01 14:30:28 Hiretto: i can workaround it with xclip -o -selection primary | xclip -i -selection clipboard Nov 01 14:31:04 but I rarely want to use the clipboard Nov 01 14:31:21 Hiretto: i often need to copy urls from irc to web browser Nov 01 14:31:48 I see Nov 01 14:32:26 but we need to see if xclip is installed ( never used ) Nov 01 14:32:38 i just apt-get install xclip Nov 01 14:33:07 with a debian-based distro, yes :D Nov 01 14:52:08 uff Nov 01 14:52:14 midori doesn't work Nov 01 14:52:52 Hire1: "doesn't work" doesn't work as a useful bug report. Nov 01 14:53:21 yes but I want to know if I can fix it Nov 01 14:53:36 however it seem to be a gtk's issue Nov 01 14:53:42 Here I can't even compile it Nov 01 14:53:43 s/a // Nov 01 14:53:51 apt-get --build source midori works Nov 01 14:54:04 i don't have it on fr :| Nov 01 14:54:09 Bitbake midori doesn't.. Nov 01 14:54:19 Because webkit-gtk is failing to compile Nov 01 14:54:22 * Hire1 is lazy Nov 01 14:54:25 Some cross compile badness Nov 01 14:55:16 apt-get --build source libwebkit-dev :-P Nov 01 14:55:32 but Nov 01 14:55:32 First I don't use apt-get but bitbake Nov 01 14:55:37 And then, I'm using webkit-svn Nov 01 14:55:37 I think I can test fennec Nov 01 14:56:18 it is nice to see a web browser based on webkit and efl Nov 01 15:01:27 Hmmm pidgin managed to put an icon Nov 01 15:01:45 uhm? Nov 01 15:01:55 create a pidgin.desktop into applications? Nov 01 15:02:05 I suppose so Nov 01 15:02:16 But I can't remember why lies this directory and the icons Nov 01 15:02:18 xterm doesn't Nov 01 15:02:23 Ainulindale, it could have something to do with the Category= value in its file Nov 01 15:02:24 i have dot it manualy Nov 01 15:02:48 in /usr/share/applications/ Nov 01 15:02:50 yes because you can choose with illume "slider" Nov 01 15:03:21 erhm... nothing Nov 01 15:03:29 quickdev: this issue with om-terminal2 is weird Nov 01 15:03:33 THere wasn't even vte installed Nov 01 15:03:43 And it's a dependency... Nov 01 15:03:43 does it work with vte? Nov 01 15:03:46 Yes Nov 01 15:03:57 it was a dependency..hm Nov 01 15:04:32 By the way I compiled pidgin Nov 01 15:04:33 I'll add it Nov 01 15:04:57 works? Nov 01 15:05:06 erhmm... nothing#2 :D Nov 01 15:05:10 Yep it works Nov 01 15:05:15 Ainulindale can you add navit? Nov 01 15:05:28 Nah Nov 01 15:05:31 I'd rather bug you :-) Nov 01 15:05:37 argh Nov 01 15:06:00 quickdev: see the pidgin package for the icon Nov 01 15:06:02 It works fine Nov 01 15:06:09 I can't understand why we don't have icons on the other Nov 01 15:06:26 it's a illume issue Nov 01 15:06:33 Ainulindale, compare the piding .desktop file with our files.. Nov 01 15:06:34 Hire1: If I have an icon on pidgin Nov 01 15:06:43 Hire1: I don't think your answer makes much sense Nov 01 15:06:49 quickdev: that's what I was doing Nov 01 15:07:19 I know that it will be an issue after the rev38862 Nov 01 15:08:05 and I don't see icons for midori and mofi Nov 01 15:08:13 and navit Nov 01 15:08:24 That's because you're doomed :-) Nov 01 15:08:36 uhm Nov 01 15:09:18 I'm adding vagalume too Nov 01 15:09:19 Icon=Dialer Nov 01 15:09:50 I install pidgin Nov 01 15:10:07 why 2.5.1? Nov 01 15:10:12 lastest is 2.5.2 Nov 01 15:10:43 That's the bb recipe fault :- Nov 01 15:10:44 :-) Nov 01 15:10:53 ahh Nov 01 15:10:54 installed Nov 01 15:11:00 E crashed :D Nov 01 15:11:03 restart x Nov 01 15:11:09 *sigh* Nov 01 15:11:48 yes Nov 01 15:11:53 you are right Ainulindale Nov 01 15:11:57 pidgin has an icon Nov 01 15:12:28 AHHHHHHHHHH Nov 01 15:12:31 now I see :| Nov 01 15:12:38 Icon=/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/pidgin.png Nov 01 15:12:45 (indeed) Nov 01 15:12:57 (I was trying to see now if we could do the same) Nov 01 15:13:33 quickdev: do you know how our applications are automatically added to desktop ? Nov 01 15:14:17 we don't have icons because .desktop doen't put a path but a simple name as "dialer" Nov 01 15:14:26 Hiretto: I know Nov 01 15:14:45 (navit compiled by the way) Nov 01 15:14:51 ehm Nov 01 15:14:55 rev? Nov 01 15:14:56 Ainulindale, _our_ apps (openmoko-dialer) for example should create its own icon file Nov 01 15:14:56 (I'll regenerate the package-index file as soon as it 'll be installed) Nov 01 15:15:00 0.0.4 Hiretto Nov 01 15:15:03 but that's damaged atm.. Nov 01 15:15:04 because i think OE has a very VERY Nov 01 15:15:09 ok... is old :| Nov 01 15:15:16 Heh ;-) Nov 01 15:15:34 Ainulindale, keep in mind that the shr-image.bb changes some icon configs...sed Nov 01 15:15:37 have a look Nov 01 15:15:41 Already did :-) Nov 01 15:16:07 did you figure out what the prob is? Nov 01 15:16:19 If only I knew where the icons are :-) Nov 01 15:16:24 (the OM icons) Nov 01 15:17:30 Ainulindale, /usr/share/pixmaps Nov 01 15:17:39 nice :D Nov 01 15:17:41 Ok then Nov 01 15:17:45 Will change the path at once Nov 01 15:18:04 yes Nov 01 15:18:04 but we had hicolor Nov 01 15:18:04 and it's empty Nov 01 15:18:04 yes Nov 01 15:18:07 but if you wait Nov 01 15:18:26 because I am testing some icons Nov 01 15:18:40 We'll replace them later :-) Nov 01 15:19:03 hmmm quickdev Nov 01 15:19:08 there's only contact Nov 01 15:19:31 Ainulindale, Dialer.png Nov 01 15:19:48 messages is missing, yeah Nov 01 15:19:54 add an icon...to the svn package Nov 01 15:20:31 Doing that... Nov 01 15:20:45 have a look at openmoko-*/data/Makefile.am Nov 01 15:23:04 Already doing that Nov 01 15:23:05 quickdev: Hey Nov 01 15:23:15 Just because I'm old doesn't mean I have alzheimer ! Nov 01 15:23:25 Hiretto: If you have icons now, I can put them as a test Nov 01 15:24:07 Ainulindale, obey licenses :) Nov 01 15:24:45 Hmm ? Nov 01 15:25:33 the icon licences Nov 01 15:25:58 Ainulindale, http://rafb.net/p/MOklHu10.html do you know this dbus error? Nov 01 15:26:00 Ainulindale: i am testing it Nov 01 15:26:28 Hiretto: testing what ? Nov 01 15:26:31 just show me the icons ! Nov 01 15:26:43 ok Nov 01 15:26:54 quickdev: no, didn't see that one Nov 01 15:27:13 ok Nov 01 15:27:41 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/3e8802411a3333b54ef05cc174c529b2.png Nov 01 15:28:58 Very nice Hiretto Nov 01 15:29:14 Could you please put the png files somewhere for me to wget ? :-) Nov 01 15:29:29 Ainulindale, I meant, don't forget to refer to the icon authors if the licences require that Nov 01 15:29:33 (I'm working remotely on my Paris computer while I'm near Carcassonne...) Nov 01 15:29:43 Ainulindale, don't simply copy them.. Nov 01 15:29:59 quickdev: It will be done indeed, right now we're just building, when we'll be releasing we'll settle this things, of course Nov 01 15:30:07 s/this/these/ Nov 01 15:30:19 Ainulindale, don't move it into the future Nov 01 15:30:27 Future is < release :-) Nov 01 15:30:32 Ainulindale: ok Nov 01 15:30:34 but... Nov 01 15:30:38 And I'm still waiting for Sean answers' Nov 01 15:30:43 i want a more nice and shiny icons :\ Nov 01 15:30:55 Ainulindale, if you add icons, obey the licence. Otherwise we can get serious problems. Nov 01 15:30:57 Hiretto: It can be temporary :-) Nov 01 15:31:18 quickdev: I'll let you modify the README then :-) Nov 01 15:31:20 or don't commit it...use them for your own ;) Nov 01 15:31:24 because I find two artworker Nov 01 15:31:31 no, not me....you have to do it...if you add the icons Nov 01 15:31:37 and I want Tangoish icons Nov 01 15:31:40 and... Nov 01 15:31:46 nice I upload it for you Nov 01 15:31:59 quickdev: by the way Nov 01 15:32:12 How do you want to be refered as in the AUTHORS files ? Nov 01 15:32:59 I don't want to be referred at all if you add icons without knowing what licences they have ;) Nov 01 15:33:33 How stubborn the youngsters are nowadays ! Nov 01 15:33:45 Hiretto: Please give me license information or else quickdev will cry out loud :-) Nov 01 15:34:01 i don't know but if you want I can talk with him Nov 01 15:34:02 and... Nov 01 15:34:04 REMEBER Nov 01 15:34:11 Ainulindale, I know people who had very serious problems with little licence issues. That's no fun Nov 01 15:34:13 quickdev: It's not as if I was intending to steal stuff you know, mainly test the average look :-) Nov 01 15:34:16 it is a set icons for iPhone ... Nov 01 15:34:29 Ainulindale, then test it without committing Nov 01 15:34:36 That's what I was doing Nov 01 15:34:40 ok Nov 01 15:34:47 so I say "it is for now" Nov 01 15:34:54 (And see ? That's why I don't like UI problems) Nov 01 15:35:04 (At least with code I know on which foot to stand) Nov 01 15:35:18 Hiretto: That kind of stuff won't work for us Nov 01 15:35:53 Hiretto: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=342163 as an example :) Nov 01 15:35:55 In between I'll put the old om icons (they're GPL) Nov 01 15:36:09 (and we already ship our stuff with the GPL) Nov 01 15:36:30 Ainulindale http://www.hiretto.altervista.org/Icons.tar.gz Nov 01 15:36:42 Ainulindale, but you have to make a note that the icons are from openmoko...or am I wrong? Nov 01 15:37:18 however Nov 01 15:37:26 I can talk with the author Nov 01 15:37:40 Hiretto: I'd like the license before doing anything rough Nov 01 15:37:46 If I don't, quickdev will force me to eat german sausages Nov 01 15:38:06 quickdev: Indeed, hence the AUTHORS file Nov 01 15:38:18 And you didn't answer my question about how you want to be reffered as :-) Nov 01 15:38:27 ok Nov 01 15:38:31 * mwester rather likes german sausages. Nov 01 15:38:33 i need to find another pack Nov 01 15:38:42 mwester_: heh :-) Nov 01 15:38:48 Oh man Nov 01 15:38:51 Three mwester Nov 01 15:38:54 They're reproducing Nov 01 15:39:04 because he doesn't put a license into the pack Nov 01 15:39:10 :) They're leftovers -- rather like molting. Nov 01 15:39:15 so we can't use them Nov 01 15:39:34 Ainulindale, refer me as quickdev so far....I could change it later..of course Nov 01 15:39:49 quickdev: and mail ? Nov 01 15:41:19 Ainulindale, leave it out so far...will register one for shr things Nov 01 15:42:07 Well I already put your mail Nov 01 15:42:11 (niklas. etc) Nov 01 15:42:39 ok Nov 01 15:43:09 quickdev: MAIL@TODO@DUMMY.TLD Nov 01 15:43:15 Does it please you ? :-) Nov 01 15:43:44 where do you put it? ;) Nov 01 15:44:27 uff Nov 01 15:44:41 I can't find a pack with a gpl license put on it Nov 01 15:45:57 quickdev: AUTHORS Nov 01 15:46:19 Ainulindale, all packages? Nov 01 15:46:45 well messages, dialer, contacts Nov 01 15:46:51 ok Nov 01 15:46:55 I updated the desktop files and set to /usr/share/pixmaps/shr-*.png Nov 01 15:47:00 And renamed the dialer icon Nov 01 15:47:34 the package is called openmoko-* and the icons shr-*? hm..but ok Nov 01 15:48:01 We probably won't have the same icons, so we may as well change names Nov 01 15:48:10 In the end I think I'll probably change the package names anyway Nov 01 15:50:18 Ainulindale, yeah...we should change package names Nov 01 15:50:40 We're not in a hurry anyway Nov 01 15:52:22 o_tobyy, here? Nov 01 15:56:17 http://www.keepthewebweird.com/iphone-style-icon-tutorial/ Nov 01 15:56:18 hehe Nov 01 15:57:10 oh Nov 01 15:57:13 well, we can do it Nov 01 15:58:55 however Nov 01 15:59:18 i don't like the illume bar so near to the icons Nov 01 16:15:48 uhm? Nov 01 16:15:50 silence? :o Nov 01 16:22:34 http://pastebin.com/m48f59f52 Nov 01 16:22:43 wrong chan Nov 01 16:26:30 disappear? Nov 01 16:38:18 mickey|zzZZzz: still not here ? Nov 01 16:40:22 yes Nov 01 16:40:25 and no :o Nov 01 16:42:24 alphaone: neither are you ? Nov 01 16:49:15 working on my mail backlog Nov 01 16:49:16 what's up? Nov 01 16:49:49 Ainulindale Nov 01 16:50:09 Ok mickey|zzZZzz Nov 01 16:50:19 I found a problem with 64bit dfu-util http://pastebin.com/d1810536c and would like to debug it with a dev Nov 01 16:50:24 why doesn't openmoko-terminal2 work anymore ? Nov 01 16:50:32 heh Nov 01 16:50:36 mickey|zzZZzz: I first thought that was because vte wasn't installed Nov 01 16:50:37 guess Nov 01 16:50:38 I installed it Nov 01 16:50:39 if i knew, i'd fixed it Nov 01 16:50:54 mickey|zzZZzz: oddly enough bitbake didn't generate vte Nov 01 16:51:09 And it wasn't installed here even if openmoko-terminal2 is in our image definition Nov 01 16:51:10 which rev has the problem? Nov 01 16:51:14 And I thought vte was a dependency Nov 01 16:51:23 openmoko-terminal2 - 3.0.0+svnr4726-r1.1 - Nov 01 16:51:35 mickey|zzZZzz: I fiddled with it a bit and couldn't figure out why Nov 01 16:51:39 even using "vte" as is works Nov 01 16:52:01 ok, let me check Nov 01 16:52:05 installing 4723 atm. Nov 01 16:52:25 how exactly does it fail for you? Nov 01 16:52:27 no start? Nov 01 16:52:40 It starts, but doesn't display the term Nov 01 16:52:46 First it was because it couldn't find gnome-pty-helper Nov 01 16:52:52 I installed vte and it was able to find it Nov 01 16:52:55 But still no terminal Nov 01 16:53:06 But that doesn't explain why vte wasn't installed Nov 01 16:53:38 the only thing openmoko-terminal2 needs is libvte Nov 01 16:53:38 And it seems there's no sftp-server anymore either Nov 01 16:53:46 mickey|zzZZzz: that was my guess Nov 01 16:53:58 And it's there Nov 01 16:54:12 mickey|zzZZzz: but without vte itself it complains about gnome-pty-helper Nov 01 16:54:20 Or there's something borked in our image setup Nov 01 16:54:21 it always complained about that Nov 01 16:54:25 but worked nevertheless Nov 01 16:54:28 Ok then Nov 01 16:54:45 can you install an older version on your setup? Nov 01 16:54:47 and check w/ that Nov 01 16:54:56 Hmmmm Nov 01 16:55:02 i recently touched it to catch up with vala Nov 01 16:55:04 Can you give me an ipk ? :-) Nov 01 16:55:06 perhaps that broke it Nov 01 16:55:12 not offhand, would need to search Nov 01 16:55:35 Ok then give me a SRCREV to put in our file :-) Nov 01 16:55:49 let me check svn log Nov 01 16:56:18 r4604 from 24. August Nov 01 16:56:23 that one needs vala 0.1.x though Nov 01 16:56:26 so you need to PREFER that Nov 01 16:56:31 [vala-native, that is] Nov 01 16:56:43 if that works, i broke it somehow :/ Nov 01 16:59:27 Damn you're telling me to do a lot of stuff I don't know about :-) Nov 01 16:59:52 First, how to PREFER a specific version ? Nov 01 17:00:13 Then, do we agree I just have to put Nov 01 17:00:27 SRCREV_pn-openmoko-terminal2 = "4604" Nov 01 17:01:28 Ah ok found the prefered thing Nov 01 17:01:45 Is there a way to say < 0.2.0 ? Nov 01 17:03:31 PREFERRED_VERSION_vala-native = "0.1.5" Nov 01 17:03:37 Yeah I got this one right Nov 01 17:05:53 mickey|zzZZzz: by the way Nov 01 17:06:01 How are we supposed to bump versions locally ? Nov 01 17:06:14 Let's say I have a version X of a software Nov 01 17:06:19 And that I want the Y one Nov 01 17:06:23 Which isn't on OE Nov 01 17:06:29 How should I proceed ? Nov 01 17:10:15 mickey|zzZZzz: won't work by the way Nov 01 17:10:24 My prefered version thing Nov 01 17:10:53 Or I just fumbled Nov 01 17:10:58 I bet this is the later :-) Nov 01 17:11:00 +t Nov 01 17:12:36 quickdev: did you have a look at fso-control ? Nov 01 17:12:45 Ainulindale, no Nov 01 17:13:04 Looks like a settings application, you may be interested Nov 01 17:13:15 you may be interested, too ;) Nov 01 17:13:41 I know but as I'm the one talking about it, guess what ? :-) Nov 01 17:15:20 i tested it Nov 01 17:15:28 sorry but I don't like it Nov 01 17:16:40 What does it do ? Nov 01 17:19:05 suspend active/disactive Nov 01 17:19:13 gps active/disactive Nov 01 17:19:19 choose the suspend time Nov 01 17:19:23 and brightness Nov 01 17:19:31 general info on phone and gsm Nov 01 17:19:50 unfortunately the latest version of openmoko-terminal2 works on x86 Nov 01 17:19:52 No oeventsd settings management then ? Nov 01 17:19:59 sounds like a tough problem then Nov 01 17:19:59 mickey|zzZZzz: "unfortunately" ? :-) Nov 01 17:19:59 yes Nov 01 17:20:15 but it is nice to have a settings does that thing :D Nov 01 17:20:32 and I want a elementary app Nov 01 17:21:21 heh Nov 01 17:23:10 quickdev: how is the elementary thing going on ? :-) Nov 01 17:23:20 And what does it change, in the end? Nov 01 17:26:58 oh and quickdev by the way Nov 01 17:27:01 Did you every try midori ? Nov 01 17:27:03 Ainulindale, elementary is smaller, has better integration with evas/edje, more geared to mobile/touchscreen apps and it has dpi scaling out of the box Nov 01 17:27:11 and the standard theme isn ice Nov 01 17:27:14 *isnice Nov 01 17:27:15 quickdev: Ok then :-) Nov 01 17:27:30 As long as you have fun... Nov 01 17:28:15 Ainulindale, and many people are very interested in elementary ;) Nov 01 17:28:32 I personally don't care but you already knew that :-) Nov 01 17:29:00 Ok, terminal2 and vala-native up to mickey|zzZZzz's date Nov 01 17:32:33 quickdev: oh by the way, I added echo '' >> /etc/ld.so.conf to our image script Nov 01 17:32:38 Just because I was bored with the error message Nov 01 17:33:13 Ainulindale, yeah, fine :) Nov 01 17:40:44 quickdev: http://pastebin.com/mcdd2212 Nov 01 17:40:50 are you working live on lf-p-efl ? Nov 01 17:40:58 mickey|zzZZzz: the fix is working Nov 01 17:41:26 mmh Nov 01 17:41:28 *sigh* Nov 01 17:41:43 yes, sounds like a good sigh :-) Nov 01 17:41:46 well Nov 01 17:41:56 that does not help me to debug the problem Nov 01 17:41:56 Ainulindale, of course I'm working offline Nov 01 17:42:02 quickdev: then see the pastebin Nov 01 17:42:10 instead it means, that either vala or my changes have broken it Nov 01 17:42:11 (not mine) Nov 01 17:42:27 but since it still works on my x86, i have no idea where to start Nov 01 17:42:33 other than to revert in OE :/ Nov 01 17:42:50 quickdev: "FIXME" undeclared Nov 01 17:43:05 Ainulindale, right...some days ago I committed something different and accidentally it was put online Nov 01 17:43:14 heh :-) Nov 01 17:43:52 Then could you put the good SRCREV ? Nov 01 17:44:44 (I'm regenerating an image here) Nov 01 17:48:13 * mwester got FSO to build, and an FSO meta-toolchain/sdk as well Nov 01 17:48:21 Ainulindale, done Nov 01 17:49:00 Damn, rootfs failed Nov 01 17:49:10 mwester: woot! Nov 01 17:49:18 mwester: can you check in the meta-toolchain/sdk bits? Nov 01 17:49:55 Ainulindale, look up why Nov 01 17:50:02 Ok, navit complains about libgps Nov 01 17:50:32 how is shr coming along? i haven't heard much about it so far Nov 01 17:50:55 Ainulindale Nov 01 17:50:59 that version is too old Nov 01 17:51:03 0.0.4 Nov 01 17:51:12 we need 0.1.0 rev 1628 Nov 01 17:51:19 fenfir: that's because we didn't release officially Nov 01 17:51:47 i just flashed my fr to 2008.9 and it's horrible ;) Nov 01 17:52:15 * Fossi can't wait for a nifty release Nov 01 17:52:18 fenfir: thanks to a bunch of people, all the basic telephony stuff is working Nov 01 17:53:29 mickey|zzZZzz: do you know how we could handle this navit version problem locally ? Nov 01 17:53:56 just update? Nov 01 17:54:13 Ainulindale: can you send me an strace 2>/tmp/foo of a successful start of openmoko-terminal2? Nov 01 17:54:39 (i'm sure no one will object an update of navit in oe) Nov 01 17:55:04 mickey|zzZZzz: yes, just update Nov 01 17:56:24 Problem is mickey|zzZZzz it'll be long because I don't seem to have sftp-server anymore Nov 01 17:56:28 (so no scp) Nov 01 17:59:35 0.1.0 is not released is it? Nov 01 17:59:41 seems we should add an svn version into oe Nov 01 17:59:54 oh it's already in Nov 01 17:59:58 so just bump SRCREV Nov 01 18:01:04 mickey|zzZZzz: http://pastebin.com/m4065154d Nov 01 18:01:16 is it good enough ? Nov 01 18:01:18 Or do you need more ? Nov 01 18:02:08 no, perfect. Nov 01 18:02:09 thanks Nov 01 18:02:09 (remember I have to copy/paste it...) Nov 01 18:02:13 ok :-) Nov 01 18:02:26 mickey|zzZZzz: do you know if webkit has to bumped too ? Nov 01 18:02:34 no idea on that Nov 01 18:02:41 didn't do anything with webkit Nov 01 18:02:44 ever :) Nov 01 18:04:04 +be by the way Nov 01 18:04:21 mickey|zzZZzz: but nonetheless Nov 01 18:04:33 If I, say, want to use a version which doesn't exist in OE yet Nov 01 18:04:44 Can I create the same tree and name it thing_version.bb ? Nov 01 18:04:49 Will OE handle that correctly ? Nov 01 18:05:06 do you use BB_OVERLAY? Nov 01 18:05:21 or just compose your packages into an OE tree? Nov 01 18:05:41 The later Nov 01 18:05:46 +t Nov 01 18:05:57 (usually adding a foo_version.bb will be ok, you just need to chagne the PREFERRED_VERSION if it's specified somewhere) Nov 01 18:06:04 Ok then :-) Nov 01 18:06:06 so that your new thing actually gets built Nov 01 18:08:42 Anyway here webkit doesn't build Nov 01 18:14:46 mickey|zzZZzz: here's why http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/1827682.txt Nov 01 18:14:59 Looks nice, doesn't it ? Nov 01 18:15:07 ah Nov 01 18:15:11 something infecting the path Nov 01 18:15:14 dragging host headers into Nov 01 18:16:43 Yep, saw that. Nov 01 18:16:47 That's weird. Nov 01 18:28:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r8933e4669ad3 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): add skeleton for oevents subsystem documentation Nov 01 18:35:43 * Hiretto is hacking edje Nov 01 18:58:44 quickdev: image was generated by the way Nov 01 19:18:06 Ainulindale, fine :) Nov 01 19:18:22 I'm booting it right now to see Nov 01 19:18:31 This connect() problem on init is weird Nov 01 19:19:30 Ainulindale, test if the applications start every time you launch them...or if they fail sometimes because of a dbus bug....as on my local host currently Nov 01 19:19:43 Which kind of bug ? Nov 01 19:20:53 several on several launches Nov 01 19:20:55 for example: ** WARNING **: Disconnection emitted "destroy" on all DBusGProxy, but somehow new proxies were created in response to one of those destroy signals. This will cause a memory leak. Nov 01 19:20:55 aborting... Nov 01 19:21:50 sometimes it exists without displaying a window Nov 01 19:21:58 I could think that it's a race condition in the initalization Nov 01 19:22:02 could you have a look? Nov 01 19:22:22 only a few lines in openmoko-messages/messages-main.c Nov 01 19:22:22 Ok will try Nov 01 19:22:37 Ainulindale, ** ERROR:(dbus-gproxy.c:1037):dbus_g_proxy_manager_unregister: assertion failed: (link != NULL) Nov 01 19:22:42 a different one Nov 01 19:22:49 That's weird Nov 01 19:25:00 Ok some errors here Nov 01 19:26:28 Ainulindale, dbus errors? Nov 01 19:26:58 I don't know, I can't reproduce it by launching messages by SSH Nov 01 19:27:24 Ainulindale, then I have introduced it here Nov 01 19:27:37 Ainulindale, I send you an email with the package Nov 01 19:28:02 ** (process:1632): DEBUG: messages_event() Nov 01 19:28:03 ** (process:1632): DEBUG: Event: 1 Nov 01 19:28:03 root@om-gta02:~# Nov 01 19:28:05 by the way Nov 01 19:29:23 Ainulindale, yeah, that's one of it Nov 01 19:29:27 maybe a race condition Nov 01 19:29:32 Ainulindale, mail is out Nov 01 19:30:21 Err Nov 01 19:30:23 I can't scp ! :-) Nov 01 19:30:51 but you can wget? Nov 01 19:31:03 Can you check on your device if you have sftp-server ? Nov 01 19:31:41 Ainulindale, no, but scp Nov 01 19:31:59 Ainulindale, openssh-sftp-server - 4.6p1-r4.1 - Nov 01 19:32:00 I have it Nov 01 19:32:14 Then it's missing on the image Nov 01 19:33:51 but I have it? Nov 01 19:34:00 I have no explanation for that Nov 01 19:34:10 You may have modified the image definition afterwards Nov 01 19:34:19 When I built it yesterday, it wasn't there either Nov 01 19:35:16 Guys, sorry for interupting you. I have the following problem. Anyone has an idea for a solution ? : NOTE: fetch http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/illume_svn.enlightenment.org_.svn.e.trunk_35818_.tar.gz Nov 01 19:35:16 --2008-11-01 16:35:25-- http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/illume_svn.enlightenment.org_.svn.e.trunk_35818_.tar.gz Nov 01 19:35:16 Resolving downloads.openmoko.org... 88.198.93.219 Nov 01 19:35:16 Connecting to downloads.openmoko.org|88.198.93.219|:80... connected. Nov 01 19:35:17 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found Nov 01 19:35:19 2008-11-01 16:35:26 ERROR 404: Not Found. Nov 01 19:37:38 The requested URL /sources/illume_svn.enlightenment.org_.svn.e.trunk_35818_.tar.gz was not found on this server. Nov 01 19:39:38 quickdev: well Nov 01 19:39:41 this is provided by openssh Nov 01 19:39:54 How should be define its compilation but not its inclusion in the image ? Nov 01 19:39:58 s/be/we/ Nov 01 19:41:39 Ainulindale, have to leave now Nov 01 19:41:41 have a nice weekend Nov 01 19:42:58 Same to you Nov 01 19:43:01 I'll try your package Nov 01 19:43:50 ok, thanks Nov 01 19:44:10 maybe you can have a quick look at the initialization code of glib/dbus in openmoko-* apps Nov 01 19:44:26 Yep Nov 01 19:44:28 perhaps there's a dbus request before everything is initialized or something like that Nov 01 19:44:31 off, cu ;) Nov 01 19:52:55 mickey|zzZZzz: weeeeeeeird thing here Nov 01 19:53:04 no X, no events on frameworkd Nov 01 19:53:08 It takes up to 95% of the CPU Nov 01 19:53:10 is this normal ? Nov 01 20:11:30 of course not Nov 01 20:11:52 Hmmm I was wondering if the fact that there's no X could be of influence on that Nov 01 20:11:56 (e segfaulted) Nov 01 20:11:57 enabled accellerometer? Nov 01 20:12:06 default configuration Nov 01 20:12:19 With a normal behavior under X Nov 01 20:12:30 what's top saying? Nov 01 20:12:37 'bout what ? Nov 01 20:12:55 resource consumption Nov 01 20:12:58 Normal Nov 01 20:13:06 CPU 8% under X Nov 01 20:13:14 37mb Nov 01 20:13:25 When I kill X (which I'll try), it's 95% Nov 01 20:13:39 And yes it is; Nov 01 20:13:51 No specific logs Nov 01 20:13:55 I'll run in debug Nov 01 20:13:59 ok Nov 01 20:14:03 running here on console as well Nov 01 20:14:44 idling at around 0.0% Nov 01 20:14:45 (latest illume is really good looking by the way) Nov 01 20:14:52 really? didn't look in a while Nov 01 20:15:00 all that gray and white was too much for me Nov 01 20:15:04 (and slow, btw.) Nov 01 20:15:26 Well it's not slow, or I don't feel it that way here Nov 01 20:15:35 Ok, frameworkd in debug, X launched Nov 01 20:15:39 7% CPU Nov 01 20:15:49 I kill X, 100% Nov 01 20:16:06 no logs Nov 01 20:16:12 (in debug) Nov 01 20:16:28 still at 100% Nov 01 20:16:53 poll([{fd=9, events=POLLIN}, {fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=11, events=POLLIN}, {fd=6, events=POLLIN}, {fd=12, events=POLLIN}, {fd=13, events=POLLIN}, {fd=8, events=POLLIN}, {fd=14, events=0, revents=POLLNVAL}, {fd=15, events=0, revents=POLLNVAL}, {fd=16, events=0, revents=POLLNVAL}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 11, 24) = 3 Nov 01 20:16:58 futex(0x55d50, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0 Nov 01 20:16:59 (with gettimeofday) Nov 01 20:17:02 etc. Nov 01 20:17:14 repeatedluy Nov 01 20:17:15 -u Nov 01 20:17:31 A very high frequency Nov 01 20:18:09 and by the way mickey|zzZZzz, regarding illume Nov 01 20:18:14 I removed the wifi and clock shelf gadget Nov 01 20:18:18 And it was running way faster Nov 01 20:19:35 yeah, i think raster is polling way too often Nov 01 20:19:44 same with the signal strength gadget btw. Nov 01 20:20:17 I didn't see logs regarding this gadget Nov 01 20:20:24 And when I looked at the sources I felt it was clean Nov 01 20:20:32 But then I might have misread them Nov 01 20:20:40 (it was listening to the signal..) Nov 01 20:21:34 it listens to the signal only if it got the first reply from GetSIgnalStrength Nov 01 20:21:43 before, it asked like 4 times a seconds Nov 01 20:21:52 to check whether Qt or FSO is running Nov 01 20:22:05 heh :-) Nov 01 20:22:06 s/asked/asks/ Nov 01 20:22:27 you should build a illume-fso package Nov 01 20:22:33 with a getridofrasterqtcompliance.patch Nov 01 20:23:48 Anyway SHR looks nice now Nov 01 20:23:53 Except for these missing icons Nov 01 20:24:01 (illume again it seems) Nov 01 20:25:46 got a current screeny? Nov 01 20:26:10 well, there's quite a bunch of things I'd like to patch in illume Nov 01 20:26:19 but it's low on my list :) Nov 01 20:26:37 mickey|zzZZzz: I don't even know how to do a proper screen of SHR Nov 01 20:26:41 import ? Nov 01 20:26:51 run gpe-scap Nov 01 20:27:03 there's also a fancy script that does that Nov 01 20:27:06 i don't know where though Nov 01 20:27:37 Problem is, the preview displayed isn't what I want to screen :-) Nov 01 20:27:39 seems it's called ./sc Nov 01 20:30:24 Hiretto ? Nov 01 20:34:05 mickey|zzZZzz: Ok, took a bunch of screenies Nov 01 20:34:09 I'll upload that at once :-) Nov 01 20:34:36 Just obfuscating the numbers Nov 01 20:35:33 cool Nov 01 20:35:52 Do you have any suggestion for a gimp filter ? :-) Nov 01 20:37:46 fuzzy Nov 01 20:37:51 or how that inverse of sharpening is called Nov 01 20:38:00 I used some cinetic blur Nov 01 20:44:06 mickey|zzZZzz: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Screenshots Nov 01 20:45:06 slick! Nov 01 20:45:20 Does it please you, O master ? :-) Nov 01 20:45:39 Two important things are missing here, to me Nov 01 20:45:50 A sound profile gadget, and a settings app. Nov 01 20:45:54 (And icons obviously) Nov 01 20:46:10 Call duration should be useful too Nov 01 20:46:51 And a slight modification to the efl widgets to handle \n Nov 01 20:47:31 i think the battery UI is insane Nov 01 20:47:33 but the rest looks cool Nov 01 20:48:06 i guess we should stop w/ zhone Nov 01 20:48:14 and just use your stuff Nov 01 20:48:23 lets see towards the end of this yar Nov 01 20:48:25 year, even Nov 01 20:53:27 mickey|zzZZzz: on the trac wiki I described the architecture I implemented when we began with that, if you're interested Nov 01 20:54:45 mickey|zzZZzz: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/SHR_Architecture Nov 01 20:55:00 Gives a good "big picture" how the stuff Nov 01 20:55:14 But I think I should definitively modify lfg Nov 01 20:55:27 To handle other dbus libs (hence other mainloops than the glib one) Nov 01 20:56:52 yeah Nov 01 20:59:48 i have broken my mouse !!! Nov 01 21:00:28 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/987b5386ccb0e14d4c75968267247273.png Nov 01 21:00:47 my edje is more beautiful :O Nov 01 21:00:58 Indeed Nov 01 21:01:06 Hiretto: where did you take your midori build by the way ? Nov 01 21:01:15 (and what is mofi ?) Nov 01 21:01:33 good question, i dont remember O_o Nov 01 21:01:41 i think from om testing repository Nov 01 21:01:45 mofi is app for wifi Nov 01 21:01:54 it supports wpa and wep Nov 01 21:02:10 you can take it from opkg.org Nov 01 21:02:32 no bb recipe ? Nov 01 21:02:39 no :/ Nov 01 21:03:36 mickey|zzZZzz <--- why the end of this year? shr is quite stable now Nov 01 21:04:08 and opmid? Nov 01 21:04:14 we need that :\ Nov 01 21:05:03 SHR isn't "quite stable" Nov 01 21:05:10 it's on an undefinite state of stableness :-) Nov 01 21:05:19 When we'll have released Nov 01 21:05:30 When we'll have settled the last bugs and possibly memory leaks Nov 01 21:05:37 Then it'll be stable :-) Nov 01 21:05:41 Indeed :o Nov 01 21:06:18 and quickdev uses elementary for dialer and others Nov 01 21:08:14 uff Nov 01 21:08:23 i had problem with the icons of gsm Nov 01 21:09:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1c92f21334ff 10/README: change README Nov 01 21:14:57 i want to edit my edje Nov 01 21:15:17 well mofi doesn't seem to work here Nov 01 21:15:24 and put a bottom bar with dialer, contacts, messages and one other app ( as navit ) Nov 01 21:15:36 DISPLAY=:0 mofi Nov 01 21:15:40 what do you get? Nov 01 21:15:50 I did that :-) Nov 01 21:15:53 "Loading..." Nov 01 21:15:57 ahh Nov 01 21:16:01 yes, it is "normal" Nov 01 21:16:09 For two minutes ? Nov 01 21:16:20 mmm no :D Nov 01 21:16:26 i get "loading" for 20-30 seconds Nov 01 21:16:33 now i test it Nov 01 21:16:43 launched Nov 01 21:16:47 loading ... Nov 01 21:16:55 now i get the list Nov 01 21:17:04 10 seconds Nov 01 21:17:05 well not here :-) Nov 01 21:17:21 mmm Nov 01 21:17:22 is there anybody who uses latest SHR build? Nov 01 21:17:26 Yes, me :-) Nov 01 21:17:32 is it usable? Nov 01 21:17:38 Ainulindale: i don't know :D Nov 01 21:17:42 Why do you think I built it alexxy ? :-) Nov 01 21:17:44 Ainulindale, i think i had this issue, if I connect the freerunner to usb Nov 01 21:17:45 i mean calls/sms/ Nov 01 21:17:58 alexxy: Indeed, indeed Nov 01 21:18:06 It does telephony as a whole Nov 01 21:18:06 Ainulindale: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/11a84e5a62b7313b293e7946ebe3b988.png Nov 01 21:18:15 ohh Nov 01 21:18:18 good Nov 01 21:18:25 alexxy: I just posted screenshots on the wiki Nov 01 21:18:36 is there a bug with echos and buzz in SHR? Nov 01 21:18:40 alexxy: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Screenshots Nov 01 21:18:44 buzz is everywhere Nov 01 21:18:48 echo is nowhere Nov 01 21:18:54 good Nov 01 21:18:55 buzz isn't related to the distro Nov 01 21:19:04 we can say it's related to the sound scenarii but that's all Nov 01 21:19:16 alexxy: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/987b5386ccb0e14d4c75968267247273.png Nov 01 21:19:20 alexxy: first boot is lengthy Nov 01 21:19:32 That's normal Nov 01 21:19:41 Hiretto: you should remove the clock gadget Nov 01 21:19:46 it's painfully slow Nov 01 21:19:54 yes i know :) Nov 01 21:19:58 i want a digital clock Nov 01 21:20:19 do you know if you tap a icon you can move and replace where you want? Nov 01 21:20:39 what do you mean ? Nov 01 21:20:45 i discover it 30 minutes ago :D Nov 01 21:20:57 tap a gadget Nov 01 21:20:57 dose USSD works with SHR? Nov 01 21:21:02 and drag where you want Nov 01 21:21:06 and how can i import vcard contacts? Nov 01 21:21:13 alexxy: there's no PIM Nov 01 21:21:17 Hence no import as of now Nov 01 21:21:20 for now Nov 01 21:21:23 When PIM will be implemented on frameworkd Nov 01 21:21:28 PIM will be on SHR :-) Nov 01 21:21:36 As for USSD, I don't know at all Nov 01 21:23:04 ok Nov 01 21:23:39 I don't even know how one is supposed to use USSD :-) Nov 01 21:24:03 Unstructured Supplementary Service Data is a capability of all GSM phones. It is generally associated with real-time or instant messaging type phone services. Nov 01 21:24:16 never used Nov 01 21:26:03 he goes away Nov 01 21:29:20 on oe rep exists a mail client? Nov 01 21:30:04 They were talks about a zimbra port but I don't know about it Nov 01 21:30:33 zimbra isn't a server mail? Nov 01 21:31:03 a zimbra client Nov 01 21:31:25 Hiretto: why you think that ussd is nevere used? Nov 01 21:31:42 alexxy: He said he never used it Nov 01 21:31:47 i never used :) Nov 01 21:31:49 Not that it was never used :-) Nov 01 21:32:24 alexxy: If I recall correctly, you type in a number and you receive sort of a SMS, is that it ? Nov 01 21:32:45 that is contact app that i saw in build dated 31.10.2008? Nov 01 21:32:53 Ainulindale: yep Nov 01 21:32:57 flash sms Nov 01 21:33:02 alexxy: there's a build from today Nov 01 21:33:10 mickey|zzZZzz ? Nov 01 21:33:24 alexxy: screenshots are from today build Nov 01 21:33:41 Ainulindale: i know =) build from 31.10 dont works for me Nov 01 21:33:56 Don't work ? Why ? Nov 01 21:34:05 alexxy: build from 31.10 is horribly broken! Nov 01 21:34:10 i cant just dial a number Nov 01 21:34:12 =( Nov 01 21:34:17 Ainulindale Nov 01 21:34:20 dialer crashes Nov 01 21:34:24 on oe i see fennec Nov 01 21:34:29 messaging app doesn't start Nov 01 21:34:31 Dialer wasn't broken Nov 01 21:34:33 all apps crashes Nov 01 21:34:36 You have to wait for SIM PIN registration Nov 01 21:34:40 no terminal going Nov 01 21:34:46 If you don't have a sIM you won't be able to do a thing Nov 01 21:34:50 ^^ Nov 01 21:34:55 I used the 10.31 build Nov 01 21:34:58 I had no problem Nov 01 21:35:06 That's because you have to wait for the SIM PIN dialog Nov 01 21:35:13 We didn't put a verification mechanism (yet) Nov 01 21:35:20 It will obviously be there in the future Nov 01 21:35:24 ^^ Nov 01 21:35:34 what about messages and terminal? Nov 01 21:35:40 will it work if i get my build done? Nov 01 21:35:47 The time between the boot and the SIM PIN dialog appearance is due to frameworkd boot Nov 01 21:35:52 tomboy64: check the screenshots I posted Nov 01 21:35:57 I fixed the terminal thing thanks to mickey|zzZZzz Nov 01 21:35:59 url? Nov 01 21:36:02 And messages works Nov 01 21:36:16 tomboy64: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Screenshots Nov 01 21:36:43 oh Nov 01 21:36:45 tomboy64: problem is, if you try to build it manually you have to include our revisions Nov 01 21:36:50 and i have no icons at all Nov 01 21:36:56 So I'd suggest you first try to install the image Nov 01 21:37:01 tomboy64: yes that's an illume issue Nov 01 21:37:07 i already have the image Nov 01 21:37:20 any idea how to fix that, too? :-D Nov 01 21:37:31 Ainulindale: btw dos messages works with non latin symbols? Nov 01 21:37:33 I did what I could, and I can't do more without raster :-) Nov 01 21:37:37 alexxy: check the screenshots Nov 01 21:37:38 *does Nov 01 21:37:47 * tomboy64 humps raster's mailbox Nov 01 21:37:48 i saw some of them =) Nov 01 21:37:49 There're accents Nov 01 21:38:02 If you can read your smses under FSO Nov 01 21:38:06 You'll be able to read them under SHR Nov 01 21:38:10 It's the same backbone Nov 01 21:38:37 We should correct this \n issue though Nov 01 21:38:58 what app i can use for storring contacts? ( i have them as vcard ; no numbers on sim card )? Nov 01 21:39:02 alexxy: you don't happen to know where USSD has been implemented in frameworkd ? Nov 01 21:39:15 alexxy: currently there's no application for that Nov 01 21:39:20 Because frameworkd has no PIM yet Nov 01 21:40:30 i saw "contacts" on screenshots? what is it? Nov 01 21:40:34 SIM contacts Nov 01 21:41:23 alexxy: Regarding USSD Nov 01 21:41:29 You have to "call" the number ? Nov 01 21:41:31 Or say it 's USSD ? Nov 01 21:41:40 yep Nov 01 21:41:47 Call ? Nov 01 21:41:52 its numbers like *100# Nov 01 21:41:54 or so Nov 01 21:42:02 Hmmm too bad I can't test it Nov 01 21:42:18 they are provider specific Nov 01 21:42:25 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/55 <--- Ainulindale close this ticket :) Nov 01 21:42:30 with brutality :D Nov 01 21:42:58 Hiretto: it'll still crash, I think Nov 01 21:43:11 openmoko-contact fails without sim Nov 01 21:43:14 without sim Nov 01 21:43:15 :D Nov 01 21:43:22 Yes, but it should not crash :-) Nov 01 21:43:32 you are right Nov 01 21:43:45 * Hiretto goes to the corner Nov 01 21:46:02 Hiretto: currently trying to build webkit HEAD Nov 01 21:46:47 i see Nov 01 21:46:53 but Nov 01 21:46:59 midori on oe repo is very old Nov 01 21:47:26 19th october the author of midori releases the 0.1 Nov 01 21:47:51 Hiretto: I'll bump this version Nov 01 21:47:57 http://software.twotoasts.de/index.php?/archives/10-A-minor-version-bump.html Nov 01 21:48:32 2008-11-01 19:14:43.516808 shr.bearstech.com 2008-11-01 19:14:58.021685 midori 0.1.0 r0 Succeeded Nov 01 21:48:35 ah ok :D Nov 01 21:49:36 I'm fixing tickets here :-) Nov 01 21:50:18 good :) Nov 01 21:50:33 * mwester checks to see if his wife still has a parking ticket that needs fixing. Nov 01 21:51:00 wow 4 tickets closed Nov 01 21:51:02 mwester: go try SHR instead of procrastinating ! Nov 01 21:51:12 Currently trying to fix the numptyphysics one Nov 01 21:51:14 yeah Nov 01 21:51:21 * Hiretto slaps mwester Nov 01 21:53:16 Hmmm Nov 01 21:54:07 why don't we use claws-email? Nov 01 21:54:36 http://www.claws-mail.org/ Nov 01 21:56:06 why don't we use mutt ? :-) Nov 01 21:56:34 erhm Nov 01 21:56:40 it's cli-based Nov 01 21:56:49 So what ? :-) Nov 01 21:57:00 CLI is your friend Nov 01 21:57:05 i know Nov 01 21:57:17 and I prefer the CLI Nov 01 21:57:23 but.. on a phone... i prefer a gui :D Nov 01 21:58:44 t-t-t :-) Nov 01 21:58:47 you're not a true warrior :) Nov 01 22:02:29 Ainulindale: is there a stable release of shr that i can download somewhere? Nov 01 22:02:37 where stuff works? Nov 01 22:02:48 tomboy64: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ Nov 01 22:02:58 Stuff was working yesterday you know :-) Nov 01 22:03:03 Just try with a SIM inserted Nov 01 22:03:06 Ainulindale: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/smartphones-standards/2008-October/000595.html Nov 01 22:03:15 ^^ about external contacts Nov 01 22:03:16 =) Nov 01 22:03:25 It will still fail to launch contacts, dialer, OR messages if you don't have a sim Nov 01 22:03:56 alexxy: I know, I'm following it quite closely, even to the point of having the sources and fiddling with it Nov 01 22:03:57 i have a sim inside Nov 01 22:04:06 alexxy: still, it doesn't work Nov 01 22:04:10 and it is connected Nov 01 22:04:31 tomboy64: then please download the image, flash it, and tell me if SIM PIN dialog doesn't display what is the content of /tmp/ophonekitd.log Nov 01 22:04:37 +itself Nov 01 22:04:52 uhm sim pin dialog is displayed Nov 01 22:05:00 it connects to the network Nov 01 22:05:07 Then what is the problem ? I didn't understand it it seems :-) Nov 01 22:05:08 and messages + contacts still dies Nov 01 22:05:23 You built it manually ? Nov 01 22:05:32 (or by yourself) Nov 01 22:05:46 If you did that, that's normal Nov 01 22:05:46 no Nov 01 22:05:52 i downloaded 31-10 Nov 01 22:05:57 Ok then please launch it by ssh Nov 01 22:05:57 = yesterday Nov 01 22:06:09 DISPLAY=":0" openmoko-contacts Nov 01 22:06:12 what are the commands for Nov 01 22:06:14 :) Nov 01 22:06:19 And tell me what it says Nov 01 22:06:20 ok, needs 10 minutes Nov 01 22:06:24 (using pastebin) Nov 01 22:06:40 Ainulindale: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=openmoko-gsoc2008.git;a=tree;f=opimd;h=9b0a12f773dec891aab8af78cc56e3bf1b78dda6;hb=HEAD Nov 01 22:06:47 this doesnt work? Nov 01 22:07:08 i mean opimd Nov 01 22:08:53 alexxy: yep Nov 01 22:12:06 Ainulindale: http://rafb.net/p/VSZpK720.html Nov 01 22:14:18 tomboy64: ps auxw| grep ophone Nov 01 22:15:26 root 1326 0.0 0.4 2760 532 pts/0 S+ 22:15 0:00 grep ophone Nov 01 22:15:52 Ok then, as I just told, SIM hasn't been enabled :-) Nov 01 22:16:05 ugh Nov 01 22:16:09 type DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd& Nov 01 22:16:13 then why am i connected to my phone-network? Nov 01 22:16:18 (which should be launched at X boot time) Nov 01 22:16:29 i was asked for my pin Nov 01 22:16:32 and entered it Nov 01 22:16:33 tomboy64: maybe it was working and the daemon borked :-) Nov 01 22:16:45 then please post the /tmp/ophonekitd.log file first Nov 01 22:16:50 (before relaunching it) Nov 01 22:16:55 (I should have asked that before ;-) ) Nov 01 22:17:13 hehehe Nov 01 22:17:15 ok Nov 01 22:20:44 * tomboy64 whines Nov 01 22:20:51 i don't wanna send you my pin Nov 01 22:22:34 Are you serious ? :-) Nov 01 22:22:50 You're afraid I'm about to break into your house and steal your SIM ? Nov 01 22:22:51 http://rafb.net/p/lQSf6W49.html Nov 01 22:22:55 yes :-D Nov 01 22:23:01 and how? Nov 01 22:23:07 i don't care bout that Nov 01 22:23:18 tomboy64: no apparent crash Nov 01 22:24:11 tomboy64: relaunch it and retry ten or twenty seconds after launch Nov 01 22:24:16 (DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd) Nov 01 22:24:19 (DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd&) Nov 01 22:24:38 i just exec'd that command Nov 01 22:24:46 less chat Nov 01 22:24:48 more coding Nov 01 22:25:03 Ainulindale works on opimd Nov 01 22:25:07 lol Nov 01 22:25:09 tomboy64: just now ? Nov 01 22:25:11 contacts work fine now Nov 01 22:25:18 messages still crash Nov 01 22:25:23 tomboy64 works on network Nov 01 22:25:25 then please launch it manually :-) Nov 01 22:25:28 * Hiretto feels like a manager Nov 01 22:25:30 nah Nov 01 22:25:31 DISPLAY=":0" openmoko-messages Nov 01 22:25:44 messages work, tooi have 92208 messages Nov 01 22:26:07 THat's weird Nov 01 22:26:15 you think? Nov 01 22:26:21 It looks as if you were having a known frameworkd bug which has been settled a while ago Nov 01 22:26:25 i mean, i am sending 200 sms a day :-D Nov 01 22:26:38 tomboy64: please launch it manually and pastebin me the log Nov 01 22:26:38 ugh .. Nov 01 22:26:47 Hiretto: that was a joke Nov 01 22:27:01 i don't think so Nov 01 22:28:19 tomboy64: don't worry he's italian Nov 01 22:28:22 He has no sense of humor Nov 01 22:28:27 * Ainulindale whistles a bit :-p Nov 01 22:28:27 oh Nov 01 22:28:30 that explains a lot Nov 01 22:28:34 uff Nov 01 22:28:38 E crashed Nov 01 22:28:40 another time Nov 01 22:28:43 sigh Nov 01 22:28:44 Hiretto: don't worry, I'm french, I have no sense of smell Nov 01 22:28:48 Hiretto: I bet you were fiddling with modules Nov 01 22:28:54 Ainulindale: ah ah ah :| Nov 01 22:28:57 (or gadget) Nov 01 22:28:59 and i'm german Nov 01 22:29:04 i have no sense for taste Nov 01 22:29:16 tomboy64: That's actually true Nov 01 22:29:37 * tomboy64 steals some french ladies from Ainulindale for that comment Nov 01 22:29:47 Only one lady for me Nov 01 22:29:50 And she's sleeping Nov 01 22:29:56 Oooh Nov 01 22:30:02 I may have fixed this numptyphysics stuff Nov 01 22:30:03 Ainulindale: wow, telepathy? Nov 01 22:30:12 Hiretto: No, I noticed it was borking a lot :-) Nov 01 22:30:49 http://rafb.net/p/TjvHfW92.html Nov 01 22:31:12 tomboy64: Hmmm that's weird Nov 01 22:32:51 Ainulindale: remove htop Nov 01 22:33:10 I'll fix it, sounds better Nov 01 22:33:43 Ok I'll fix it in two seconds Nov 01 22:33:56 * Hiretto loves the old top or ps auxww Nov 01 22:34:10 and when I get so messed up a nice lsof piped with grep Nov 01 22:35:36 Hiretto: in between just change the "Exec" line of your desktop file by "Exec=openmoko-terminal2 htop" Nov 01 22:38:06 i use xterm Nov 01 22:38:09 so xterm htop works Nov 01 22:38:25 xterm -e I think Nov 01 22:38:53 without Nov 01 22:38:56 tomboy64: Would you please try latest just to have the same basis I have ? Nov 01 22:39:31 "latest"? Nov 01 22:40:50 wow Nov 01 22:40:56 E crashed 3 times Nov 01 22:41:10 :-D Nov 01 22:41:16 i am testing it Nov 01 22:41:20 it's quite nice Nov 01 22:41:22 Hiretto: do you know launchpad mcquack? Nov 01 22:41:40 sure Nov 01 22:41:44 ducktales Nov 01 22:42:00 tomboy64: the image I compiled today Nov 01 22:42:01 the non-free bug tracking system that canonical makes? Nov 01 22:42:12 i'm thinking bout renaming my om-gta02 to launchpad for that very reason Nov 01 22:42:50 lindi-: please, don't bother me with ideological discussions today. thank you :) Nov 01 22:45:28 root@om-gta02:~# DISPLAY=:0 numptyphysics Nov 01 22:45:28 gotoLevel 0 Nov 01 22:45:28 *** CAUGHT: image not found Nov 01 22:46:12 Hiretto: Why are you trying unstable stuff ? Nov 01 22:46:21 I'm working on it, dumbass :-) Nov 01 22:46:59 *sigh* Nov 01 22:50:00 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/d2458072f8743a925e30a05c12f296c8.png <-- kde4 on FR? Nov 01 22:50:08 what the frack Nov 01 22:53:44 wget http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20081101-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24+r10+gitrf5b973489beb1a1239dfad53e3ad6e36ff7ee958-r10-om-gta02.bin Nov 01 22:53:49 Ainulindale: is that correct? Nov 01 22:54:03 none :o Nov 01 22:54:18 yep Nov 01 23:01:29 Ainulindale: dinging Nov 01 23:01:31 uhm Nov 01 23:01:33 flashing Nov 01 23:03:10 I'll be sleeping soon so be quick :-) Nov 01 23:11:24 hi quickdev Nov 01 23:11:31 hey Hiretto Nov 01 23:11:36 Ainulindale is messing up SHR Nov 01 23:12:02 Heh :-) Nov 01 23:12:09 quickdev: I was playing around with numptyphysics Nov 01 23:12:15 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/987b5386ccb0e14d4c75968267247273.png <-- do you like it quickdev? Nov 01 23:12:16 Trying to fix this dumb issue Nov 01 23:12:30 quickdev: anyway, would you tell me how I'm supposed to update OE now ? :-) Nov 01 23:13:01 Hiretto, yeah, I like it..but I'd like it even more if it was GPL ;) Nov 01 23:13:14 Ainulindale, update what exactly? Nov 01 23:13:18 OE Nov 01 23:13:20 The tree. Nov 01 23:13:47 You did some stuff with raster's branch Nov 01 23:13:52 I don't want to break that Nov 01 23:14:14 Ainulindale, we have to create a local branch and then pull changes into it Nov 01 23:14:29 Ow man. Nov 01 23:14:39 quickdev: we see tomorrow what I can do Nov 01 23:14:40 it's not a big deal Nov 01 23:14:46 with the artwork Nov 01 23:14:54 GPL'd, of course Nov 01 23:14:57 quickdev: Then can you do it now ? :-p Nov 01 23:15:39 Ainulindale, yes Nov 01 23:15:53 quickdev: I don't know at all where to start with that, I don't even remember what you did with raster's branch Nov 01 23:16:47 quickdev: be careful I modified the sane-srcrev and numptyphysics.bb to test some stuff Nov 01 23:16:57 Everything I did can be deleted Nov 01 23:17:20 Ainulindale, you changed something in the openembedded directory? The only thing I changed was with this command: git checkout raster Nov 01 23:17:44 Ok then Nov 01 23:17:50 As I just told you, I changed two files Nov 01 23:17:51 That's all Nov 01 23:18:00 And my changes are worthless Nov 01 23:18:05 So you can overwrite them Nov 01 23:18:19 * Hiretto is going to see my name is earl Nov 01 23:21:39 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r314 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Cleanup folder structure and fix the evas.c_evas.Object error Nov 01 23:21:58 Hmph raster is online but not here :-) Nov 01 23:22:36 you can query him Nov 01 23:23:44 He's not here as in on IRC Nov 01 23:23:57 ah Nov 01 23:24:00 ah :| Nov 01 23:32:16 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r315 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Switch to the LGPL license Nov 01 23:38:47 quickdev ? Nov 01 23:39:01 Ainulindale, yeah, just trying to figure how to tell git that ini is a source file Nov 01 23:40:19 Just wondering if I could relaunch bitbake shr-image :-) Nov 01 23:40:58 Ainulindale, one moment if you want the newest oe changes Nov 01 23:41:42 I deduced that :-) Nov 01 23:42:51 quickdev: by the way, I was bored, and I added an ugly line to the image Nov 01 23:42:55 echo "Exec=openmoko-terminal2 htop" >> ./usr/share/applications/htop.desktop Nov 01 23:43:00 If you have anything prettier Nov 01 23:43:04 Please modify it :-) Nov 01 23:43:22 (as right now it's not working as intended) Nov 01 23:45:13 ok for now ;) Nov 01 23:54:51 quickdev: tell me when you'll be ready Nov 01 23:55:10 in a few minutes...I'm configuring git to do it automatically without parameters now Nov 01 23:55:20 Good :-) Nov 01 23:55:24 Oh crap Nov 01 23:55:27 I forgot to test your latest lib Nov 01 23:56:23 Ainulindale, no prob Nov 01 23:56:37 Doing it right now Nov 01 23:56:40 Ainulindale, changes can be retrieved with git pull Nov 01 23:56:41 as always Nov 01 23:56:42 I even compiled elementary :-) Nov 01 23:56:48 Nice Nov 01 23:57:09 I created at local branch....where the org.openembedded.dev tree is merged into Nov 01 23:57:19 I should really look into git one day Nov 01 23:57:54 yes, it's an awesome utility :) Nov 01 23:58:12 wow Nov 01 23:58:18 I have a bunch of SPANK SPANK Nov 01 23:58:19 search for git manual..there's a very fine documentation Nov 01 23:58:26 (dialer) Nov 01 23:58:32 Ainulindale, only did messages so far Nov 01 23:58:36 (partly) Nov 01 23:58:38 call isn't released Nov 01 23:59:04 no folders Nov 01 23:59:57 I see a messagecount in the log Nov 02 00:00:00 but no folder Nov 02 00:00:22 Ainulindale, yeah..no folder so far...but if it starts..fine Nov 02 00:00:23 And it's very whiteish :-) Nov 02 00:00:28 can you try to start it many times? Nov 02 00:00:32 Ainulindale: Nov 02 00:00:32 you'll need to get me a screenshot - i don't know what config/setup you are Nov 02 00:00:33 using, but to me i doesn't sound like it's the config e+illume ships with, so Nov 02 00:00:33 you'll have to direct your comments to the shr maintainers Nov 02 00:00:36 have you read raster's mail? Nov 02 00:00:40 Yep Nov 02 00:00:46 I think he doesn't know that we're using his things ;) Nov 02 00:00:47 He didn't understand the question Nov 02 00:01:00 I didn't realize it Nov 02 00:01:17 s/I/He/ Nov 02 00:01:18 I'll answer to him Nov 02 00:09:01 quickdev: it doesn't exits properly Nov 02 00:09:04 -s Nov 02 00:09:17 root@om-gta02:~# ps auxw | grep mes | grep -v grep | wc -l Nov 02 00:09:17 2 Nov 02 00:09:20 Ainulindale, I know Nov 02 00:09:30 and it eats in some cases too much cpu Nov 02 00:09:31 quickdev: just wondering if this was problematic Nov 02 00:12:16 of course it should get fixed ;) Nov 02 00:12:43 (Problematic regarding your problem) Nov 02 00:12:55 I didn't experience any random error on 10+ launches Nov 02 00:13:29 ok, then it's no dependent on my latest changes to libframeworkd-phonegui-efl Nov 02 00:13:58 May be, may not be Nov 02 00:14:02 Ainulindale, hm..haven't it experienced since my last boot... Nov 02 00:14:14 seems to be ok now Nov 02 00:14:23 quickdev: maybe you launched something twice without paying attentio Nov 02 00:14:24 +n Nov 02 00:14:26 It happened to me Nov 02 00:14:42 maybe.. Nov 02 00:16:14 quickdev: image buildable ? Nov 02 00:16:25 I see you're not logged anymore Nov 02 00:16:36 Ainulindale, yes..try it Nov 02 00:16:57 Ok then :-) Nov 02 00:17:56 Ah ! Nov 02 00:17:58 At last ! Nov 02 00:17:59 :-) Nov 02 00:18:16 raster: I was wondering if you actually were working Nov 02 00:18:33 It's a weekend, let the poor man party sometime! Nov 02 00:18:40 ??? Nov 02 00:18:46 mwester: damn I forgot it was the week end Nov 02 00:18:49 I spent the whole day working myself Nov 02 00:18:59 (on OM but nonetheless) Nov 02 00:18:59 yes Nov 02 00:19:01 weekend Nov 02 00:19:02 :) Nov 02 00:19:21 hey raster Nov 02 00:20:07 raster: bunch of things for you here. Random segfaults on gadgets add/delete on illume, no icons (but you may know about that), and great work all in all :-) Nov 02 00:20:41 * mwester wonders where he can file a bug on silly error messages that include "SPANK SPANK" messages. Nov 02 00:21:04 mwester: bugzilla.spank-me-with-a-shovel.com Nov 02 00:23:19 Ainulindale: i dont tned to add/del gadgets much - ever really. Nov 02 00:23:29 raster: Neither do I Nov 02 00:23:30 but i assume yoiu are not following head svn Nov 02 00:23:34 so who knows what it might be Nov 02 00:23:35 :) Nov 02 00:23:40 raster: but I removed some stuff just to check Nov 02 00:23:50 Because e was using 16% CPU constantly Nov 02 00:23:57 Removing wifi/clock helped Nov 02 00:23:57 unfortunately git is just pissing me off with OE Nov 02 00:24:03 so i can't/won't commit any fixes. Nov 02 00:24:14 OE git ? Nov 02 00:24:17 so i'm just in the end going to publish a tarball of my oe repo. Nov 02 00:24:20 yes Nov 02 00:24:26 it doesnt publish branches as documented Nov 02 00:24:30 it wotn let me delete them Nov 02 00:24:36 Heh Nov 02 00:24:46 and committing to head requires "coordination" Nov 02 00:24:53 and everyone to coordinate with is asleep Nov 02 00:25:01 as they are on the other side of the world Nov 02 00:25:16 raster: Not everyone is sleeping Nov 02 00:26:00 clock and wifif btw dont use 16% Nov 02 00:26:06 I bet they don't Nov 02 00:26:19 I just merely pointed out that without e used a lot less of CPU Nov 02 00:26:24 clock runs some logic every 10 seconds Nov 02 00:26:30 it only updates every minute Nov 02 00:26:58 raster, we're following head svn Nov 02 00:26:59 raster: I can reproduce it /strace things if necessary Nov 02 00:27:25 wifi runs a slave proc Nov 02 00:27:26 wifiget Nov 02 00:27:32 that queries the kernel netlink socket Nov 02 00:27:34 and thats about it Nov 02 00:27:40 That's weird then Nov 02 00:27:51 Because I truly saw that Nov 02 00:28:00 any cpu attributed to it may be the kernel attributing cpu to wifiget that is actually kernel overhead to check wifi signal Nov 02 00:28:08 and so u'd have to punt that back to the kernel driver Nov 02 00:28:13 not wifiget Nov 02 00:28:19 it checkes 1 time per second Nov 02 00:28:22 its a trivial ioctl Nov 02 00:28:25 raster: Oh I wasn't incriminating you :-) Nov 02 00:28:28 check the code Nov 02 00:28:30 :) Nov 02 00:28:36 nono Nov 02 00:28:40 Just checking if that could be caused by gadgets Nov 02 00:28:42 Or by other stuff Nov 02 00:28:45 i mwan that telling me wont fix/change anything Nov 02 00:28:52 I got that Nov 02 00:28:52 as i wont change the code Nov 02 00:29:00 as i dont believe the code is the problem Nov 02 00:29:00 :) Nov 02 00:29:07 or at least the code i meaintain Nov 02 00:29:07 :) Nov 02 00:29:10 maintain Nov 02 00:29:10 :) Nov 02 00:29:13 And regarding this icon stuff ? Nov 02 00:29:17 (You're overdosing on smileys) Nov 02 00:29:19 icon stuff Nov 02 00:29:22 not my problem Nov 02 00:29:35 i changed the theme key used by illume Nov 02 00:29:43 if u use the default e theme it'll work fine Nov 02 00:29:52 asu or whatever themes havent updated/followed Nov 02 00:30:01 illume just used the wrong thing anyway to begin with Nov 02 00:30:06 Hmmm Nov 02 00:30:10 and it was jsut the design that sean wanted that covered up the problem Nov 02 00:30:14 ie u didnt see it Nov 02 00:30:20 So what should we do to reenable icons ? Nov 02 00:30:31 use the default theme Nov 02 00:30:45 i.e. settings, theme, default ? Nov 02 00:30:49 well the illume overlay + default that is provided in upstream Nov 02 00:30:49 :) Nov 02 00:31:12 raster, btw., I'm integrating elementary atm. Good work :) Nov 02 00:31:21 Currently I'm using "illume", will switch to default to see Nov 02 00:31:28 i have a bunch of updates locally in my local git tree Nov 02 00:31:33 but i have no sane way to publish it Nov 02 00:31:44 Wowcrap Nov 02 00:31:52 Fumbled everything Nov 02 00:31:52 so i'm just giving up until oe's git actualyl works (as documented). Nov 02 00:32:04 i wasted a day wrestling with it. Nov 02 00:33:14 raster, you won't even commit to your branch? Nov 02 00:33:28 raster: hmmm it seems changing to default borked everything Nov 02 00:33:28 quickdev: i can't Nov 02 00:33:35 I don't even have the illume toolbar Nov 02 00:33:53 http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/GitPhraseBook Nov 02 00:33:59 as per instructions Nov 02 00:34:03 doesnt work with oe's git Nov 02 00:34:08 also oe disabled branch removal Nov 02 00:34:14 so i cant delete errant branches Nov 02 00:34:29 Ainulindale: whatever u are using - it's not upstream Nov 02 00:34:40 quickdev: is it ? Nov 02 00:35:13 and dont change theme to default Nov 02 00:35:16 use the illume profile Nov 02 00:35:22 in the startup wizard Nov 02 00:35:28 THat's what I did Nov 02 00:35:30 chanign profile to default will re-run the startup wizard Nov 02 00:35:49 Ainulindale, is what? Nov 02 00:36:00 Yes but now I have to find out how to change back my profile =) Nov 02 00:36:01 just rm -rf ~/.e Nov 02 00:36:02 and rewboot Nov 02 00:36:06 quickdev: is it upstream ? Nov 02 00:36:11 first thing u shoudl get is a languag eselection Nov 02 00:36:13 raster: I was trying not to do that :-) Nov 02 00:36:13 language Nov 02 00:36:20 raster: I got that, and profile, and such Nov 02 00:36:28 this is how it should come out of the box Nov 02 00:36:29 Ainulindale, raster said many things are local for him..not upstream. Nov 02 00:36:34 select illume profile Nov 02 00:36:45 quickdev: yes, but are we set to HEAD git ? Nov 02 00:36:50 quickdev: the changes are all upsteram in e svn Nov 02 00:36:59 local changes are oe packaging changes Nov 02 00:37:04 s/git/svn/ Nov 02 00:37:27 I think we're using git head, but svn fixed revision. Nov 02 00:37:47 raster: by the way Nov 02 00:37:48 Just retried Nov 02 00:37:50 thats why u likely are missing many changes Nov 02 00:37:56 When I disable bluetooth gadget Nov 02 00:37:59 segv Nov 02 00:38:25 hmmm Nov 02 00:38:28 not bluetooth Nov 02 00:38:33 just disabled wifi and clock Nov 02 00:38:37 and battery by error Nov 02 00:38:38 and segv Nov 02 00:38:55 Ainulindale, raster is right I think...let me check it Nov 02 00:39:15 Oh I bet he's right, I'm trying to see how things went bad there :-) Nov 02 00:40:28 I still can't see what's causing this icon issue Nov 02 00:40:34 Man UI are so complicated Nov 02 00:40:42 Ainulindale, should I set the EFL svn id to the latest one? Nov 02 00:41:01 quickdev: You're the EFL expert =) Nov 02 00:41:24 and next he will be the elementary expert Nov 02 00:41:41 quickdev: seems lfp-efl won't compile Nov 02 00:41:51 I may have overwritten your changes in a commit Nov 02 00:42:16 Ainulindale, what's the error? svn complains if there are probs Nov 02 00:42:41 Can't see it, no backlog, hmpf Nov 02 00:43:31 (wait a minute) Nov 02 00:43:40 http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/1829720.txt Nov 02 00:43:48 svnrev u are on is likely well behind head for svn Nov 02 00:43:48 and behind what i build Nov 02 00:43:48 as i said - git for oe is broken Nov 02 00:43:48 cant delete branches Nov 02 00:43:48 cant seemignly add branches and continu to commit to them Nov 02 00:43:50 and i am not allowed to commit to "head" (origin/...) Nov 02 00:43:51 Well, same than before Nov 02 00:43:52 as i am not a maintainer Nov 02 00:43:56 Ainulindale: backtrace Nov 02 00:44:00 :) Nov 02 00:44:08 quickdev: u likely want my oe changes. Nov 02 00:45:01 quickdev: heh Nov 02 00:45:06 shr.bbclass uses file:// Nov 02 00:45:10 I'll change that once and for all Nov 02 00:45:26 Ainulindale, no..wait Nov 02 00:45:39 Wait for what ? Nov 02 00:45:42 raster, the question is how to use your oe changes with an openembedded build Nov 02 00:46:27 Ainulindale, maybe some ppls are using the function Nov 02 00:46:43 quickdev: it's easily swappable Nov 02 00:46:54 I did so in my own local repository Nov 02 00:47:04 And I wasn't intending to commit it Nov 02 00:47:09 just to modify it on the buildhost Nov 02 00:48:09 quickdev: i'll generate a new set of patches Nov 02 00:48:10 wait Nov 02 00:48:20 raster, would be fine if we can make it work Nov 02 00:49:02 (This thing will be impossible to maintain I fear) Nov 02 00:54:46 quickdev: I fixed the bbclass, I'll let you handle that from here Nov 02 00:54:50 I need a good night sleep Nov 02 00:55:06 Spent the whole day testing and modifying stuff Nov 02 00:55:30 quickdev: if you manage to have raster's patches, could you please hilight/mail me ? Nov 02 00:56:13 Ainulindale, yeah...I'll hilight you Nov 02 00:56:15 oooh Nov 02 00:56:15 have a good night. Nov 02 00:56:17 that patch failed Nov 02 00:56:18 :) Nov 02 00:56:40 quickdev: there's a screen on the buildhost Nov 02 00:56:46 with a bitbake shr-image going on Nov 02 00:56:56 just to take into account some stuff I did tonight Nov 02 00:57:04 please stop it if you need to Nov 02 00:57:18 Inbetween Nov 02 00:57:21 Good night everyone Nov 02 01:00:26 raster, in which way should the patches be applied to oe? In a recipe? Nov 02 01:01:12 quick q Nov 02 01:01:22 i just accidentally deleted a file from git Nov 02 01:01:38 how do i get it back...? Nov 02 01:01:51 including my committed patches? Nov 02 01:02:12 you can reset git to the last commit you made Nov 02 01:02:26 how? Nov 02 01:02:38 have a look at git reset --hard (you cannot undo this step!) Nov 02 01:02:55 ok Nov 02 01:02:57 that will work Nov 02 01:03:21 raster, would be fine if you could answer 2-3 questions to elementary later Nov 02 01:03:49 *about Nov 02 01:04:08 yes yes Nov 02 01:04:10 give me a bit Nov 02 01:04:24 of course Nov 02 01:06:51 good night guys Nov 02 01:10:05 ok Nov 02 01:10:10 commited my current patchset Nov 02 01:10:24 svn co http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/oe Nov 02 01:10:45 svn co http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/oe Nov 02 01:10:48 under patches Nov 02 01:10:52 i am doing a build Nov 02 01:11:01 let me double check some of my fixes Nov 02 01:11:07 anyway your q's? Nov 02 01:12:05 one question: how to apply your patches? :) Nov 02 01:12:22 no idea Nov 02 01:12:32 thay are hefty patches against oe's .bb's and patcahing Nov 02 01:12:37 adding an illume-image.bb Nov 02 01:12:42 and srcrev stuff Nov 02 01:12:45 there is no oe mechanism Nov 02 01:12:50 u basically use my tree Nov 02 01:12:52 or u dont Nov 02 01:13:06 u can cherrypick patches form it and apply to your own oe tree Nov 02 01:13:14 with possibly good/bad results Nov 02 01:13:21 these are not patches TO sourcecode Nov 02 01:13:33 (ie like adding patches in a .bb) Nov 02 01:13:38 yeah Nov 02 01:13:43 as that stuff goes in upstream for me Nov 02 01:13:54 u never need to really worry about that Nov 02 01:15:27 raster, I can use the org.openembedded.dev branch, apply your patches...and then there might be conflicts when calling git pull...that wouldn't be a problem...but this way basically works, right? Nov 02 01:15:47 thats basically what u do Nov 02 01:16:01 or create your local git-branch from org.openembedded.dev Nov 02 01:16:04 and apply my patches to that Nov 02 01:16:15 whenever i have a new/updated set of patches delete the local branch Nov 02 01:16:17 re-create Nov 02 01:16:20 and re-apply all patches Nov 02 01:16:34 i highly suggest looking at the illume-image.bb Nov 02 01:16:43 as an example of the base package u'd likely want to have Nov 02 01:16:51 i included locale support for a long of languages too Nov 02 01:16:55 raster, I already looked at illume-image to adjust shr-image ;) Nov 02 01:17:22 aah Nov 02 01:17:27 u dont have my updates Nov 02 01:17:33 as i removed it from svn's my_packages Nov 02 01:17:39 its now only in the patches Nov 02 01:17:45 (that i just committed) Nov 02 01:17:58 if u wait till i confirm my fixes... Nov 02 01:18:04 rootfs task started Nov 02 01:18:44 I'll wait Nov 02 01:20:10 raster, I've got the following problem with elementary: Swallowing elm_buttons work, but swallowing a etk_tree (because there's no elm_tree/list so far) does not work. Is this right: http://rafb.net/p/YAmIDU91.html Nov 02 01:20:40 it worked for me without elementary, but it couldn't have something to do with the change to elementary, right? Nov 02 01:22:33 hmm Nov 02 01:22:37 never tried that with etk Nov 02 01:22:41 then again never done much etk stuff Nov 02 01:22:47 didnt' write etk :) Nov 02 01:22:57 i guess it should work Nov 02 01:23:19 elm widgets are much mroe basic in terms of talking the same hints/core stuff as basic evas objects Nov 02 01:23:34 etk widgets need some wrapping as they invented their own abstractions Nov 02 01:23:52 I know...would be fine if you code a elm_list widget someday :) Nov 02 01:25:44 i'll get to it - never fear Nov 02 01:25:47 its a "need" Nov 02 01:26:02 i just have enough stuff to do that i have to keep cycling around between things Nov 02 01:26:21 ok, fine :) Nov 02 01:30:10 raster, I'm using edc files for the layout. Is there a big disadvantage? Nov 02 01:31:03 well thats a fixed layout Nov 02 01:31:10 in that its N fixed locations Nov 02 01:31:13 u dont have lists or tables Nov 02 01:31:18 so u can "append more items" Nov 02 01:31:21 dynamically Nov 02 01:31:22 (yet) Nov 02 01:31:24 that will change Nov 02 01:31:27 btw Nov 02 01:31:30 elm has a layout widget Nov 02 01:31:35 it just is a convenience layer Nov 02 01:31:43 it loads a given edje file + group Nov 02 01:31:51 and u just swallow objects or widgets in Nov 02 01:31:58 it auto-handles minimum size calculation etc. Nov 02 01:32:03 raster, didn't know that the layout widget is able to use a edj :) Nov 02 01:32:07 theres a demo in elementary_test Nov 02 01:32:10 yes Nov 02 01:32:12 see the tes Nov 02 01:32:14 test Nov 02 01:32:15 :) Nov 02 01:32:20 fine, good that we talked about Nov 02 01:32:23 its for doing exactly what u are Nov 02 01:32:26 and its hyper-simple Nov 02 01:32:32 yeah :) Nov 02 01:32:38 if u have aoms "custom ui layout" app Nov 02 01:32:45 u want a custom skin/background/overlay and setup Nov 02 01:32:49 but want to pack normal widgets in Nov 02 01:32:53 btw...I got the etk list working....used the wrong evas variable for etk_embed_new Nov 02 01:32:54 or sub-layouts Nov 02 01:33:09 (booting my image) Nov 02 01:33:11 sorry tooi Nov 02 01:33:18 i missed committing soem, changes for priority stuff Nov 02 01:33:27 i'll rebuiold am image and update Nov 02 01:35:33 raster, ecore_evas_software_x11_window_get(ee), I haven't got the ee variable anymore. How do I get the x11 window? Nov 02 01:36:29 ok Nov 02 01:36:30 it works Nov 02 01:36:35 but priority is screwed Nov 02 01:36:48 i need a way to set x's nice to -12 Nov 02 01:36:52 i've adjustes e to -10 Nov 02 01:37:00 sop it takes priroity over pretty much everything else Nov 02 01:37:04 and want x -12 Nov 02 01:37:08 so its slightl more important Nov 02 01:37:18 all apps e spawns are set to 1 as nice value Nov 02 01:37:36 quickdev: aaah dont have the win Nov 02 01:37:37 ummm Nov 02 01:37:42 thats... hmmm Nov 02 01:37:47 i dont recommend it Nov 02 01:37:54 u will be relying on ecore_evas internals Nov 02 01:38:00 but u can get evas data keys Nov 02 01:38:14 raster, win->ee ? Nov 02 01:38:32 win->ee = ecore_evas_software_x11_new(NULL, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1); Nov 02 01:38:32 wait Nov 02 01:38:34 i wrapped it Nov 02 01:38:36 good me Nov 02 01:38:38 ecore_evas_ecore_evas_get() Nov 02 01:38:40 :) Nov 02 01:38:53 EAPI Ecore_Evas * Nov 02 01:38:53 ecore_evas_ecore_evas_get(const Evas *e) Nov 02 01:41:19 raster, ecore_evas_software_x11_window_get(ecore_evas_ecore_evas_get(evas_object_evas_get(win))) , hehe Nov 02 01:42:32 yup Nov 02 01:42:36 long isn't it? Nov 02 01:42:36 :) Nov 02 01:42:50 why do u want the window id? Nov 02 01:44:04 raster, for the keyboard trigger Nov 02 01:44:13 aaaah Nov 02 01:44:20 that realluy should bein etk Nov 02 01:44:22 or in elm Nov 02 01:44:26 i havent put it in elm yet Nov 02 01:44:30 raster, btw., I'm feeling much more secure with the new keyboard theme ( buttons have an edge ). Nov 02 01:44:41 yeah Nov 02 01:44:49 raster, elm would be more important ;) Nov 02 01:44:50 i much prefer them having a visible "button" appearance Nov 02 01:44:55 so u know where/what to hit Nov 02 01:45:00 raster, yes :) Nov 02 01:45:14 for now i'm happy not to worry about it as the entry in elm is still immature in many ways Nov 02 01:45:28 i need to add a content hint to it Nov 02 01:45:35 so it can ask for that content hint on the keyboard Nov 02 01:45:41 i'll hook it up eventually Nov 02 01:46:12 a kind of hook would be great :) Nov 02 01:46:34 anyway it's already working the ordinary way Nov 02 01:46:43 but it would be better, no matter Nov 02 01:47:18 why complicate it? Nov 02 01:47:25 just set the content type Nov 02 01:47:29 and the widget will handle the rest Nov 02 01:47:36 yes Nov 02 01:47:43 the point of elementary is not to be powerful Nov 02 01:47:48 but simple Nov 02 01:47:50 yes- it's in c Nov 02 01:48:00 but even novice programmers should be able to grasp it Nov 02 01:48:06 what I wanted to say: atm it's important for me that things are working. so don't stress yourself ;) Nov 02 01:48:17 u shouldnt be relying on whole language changes just to make something easy Nov 02 01:48:19 (eg python) Nov 02 01:48:50 yes Nov 02 01:49:11 i'm wating for a rebuild Nov 02 01:50:38 raster, you're in australia,right? Nov 02 01:50:44 yup Nov 02 01:50:49 this week Nov 02 01:50:52 next i'll be in korea Nov 02 01:50:59 well in 1 week from now Nov 02 01:51:01 for a week Nov 02 01:51:03 then back Nov 02 01:51:38 korea? interesting ;) Nov 02 01:53:34 getting some bbq into me Nov 02 01:53:57 raster, have to go to sleep now. Will see how your patches are working, but tomorrow :) Nov 02 01:54:31 thanks for your efforts Nov 02 01:56:18 raster, one last question Nov 02 01:56:28 quickdev: patches will be in the same place as always Nov 02 01:56:38 so whenever i update the patches that emans i have a new build that works Nov 02 01:56:39 is there a way to select/mark all text in an entry? Nov 02 01:56:40 at lkeast for me Nov 02 01:56:44 for the illume-image Nov 02 01:56:49 aaah select Nov 02 01:56:52 yes Nov 02 01:56:55 click and drag Nov 02 01:57:01 For example "Enter your SMS here"...and then..on the first character entered the message will be removed Nov 02 01:57:01 oh wait Nov 02 01:57:02 ALL Nov 02 01:57:03 um Nov 02 01:57:15 in elm? Nov 02 01:57:21 elm, yes Nov 02 01:57:24 no Nov 02 01:57:31 u cant affect selections Nov 02 01:57:37 i need to work on selecting Nov 02 01:57:41 as it conflicts with scrolling Nov 02 01:57:45 well finge-rscroll Nov 02 01:58:10 raster, btw...entry has no background /edge so far...it may be a bit confusing, not? Nov 02 01:58:28 thats how its meant to be Nov 02 01:58:32 think this way Nov 02 01:58:35 imagine i do a file manager Nov 02 01:58:42 and i want the iocn text to be editable? Nov 02 01:58:43 :) Nov 02 01:58:53 i dont want a background/indented frame Nov 02 01:59:03 i just want it raw on top of whatever is there in the icon Nov 02 01:59:04 :) Nov 02 01:59:16 there is a scroleld entry widget Nov 02 01:59:19 scrolled Nov 02 01:59:25 yeah, ok...but it's not always that case Nov 02 01:59:26 whihc adds the scrolling/frame/bg Nov 02 02:00:07 ok..got a lot things done in the last hour Nov 02 02:00:12 see you. Nov 02 02:00:14 :) Nov 02 02:00:16 btw Nov 02 02:00:20 that patchset i think wil work well Nov 02 02:00:27 if u apply it now and let it build while u sleep Nov 02 02:00:32 build an illume image and try Nov 02 02:00:50 raster, our shr-image is almost equal to illume image...I'll try it tomorrow ;) Nov 02 02:00:58 too tired now, have a good day Nov 02 02:01:23 right now i have again disabled frameworkd and fso stuff as illume image is unusable on my palmt650 Nov 02 02:02:05 yeah, do as you wish...we've got our own image.bb :) Nov 02 02:02:09 off :) Nov 02 02:03:01 qui sure. Nov 02 02:04:21 is there source for just the phone (user interface) part of shr? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 02 02:59:57 2008