**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 20 02:59:56 2008 Nov 20 05:40:49 how do i connect GPS with TangoGPS on FSO-testing? Nov 20 07:20:31 Ainulindale, here? Nov 20 07:21:06 I fixed the ophonekitd issue Nov 20 07:23:39 polz, here? Nov 20 07:24:19 which issue? Nov 20 07:24:47 cc1: error: ophonekitd-ophonekitd-main.d: No such file or directory Nov 20 07:41:20 quickdev: morning - you had an overnight inspiration? Nov 20 07:43:06 no really, controlled some things I should have controlled earlier ;) Nov 20 07:43:06 quickdev: at the moment, yes Nov 20 07:43:39 I'll be leaving in about 5min Nov 20 07:43:57 quickdev: so, what should I do to get it to compile? Nov 20 07:44:52 polz, bitbake -c clean ophonekitd, bitbake -c mrproper ophonekitd <- it should download the most recent sources then Nov 20 07:46:48 * polz re-enables paralel building Nov 20 07:47:06 oh, noez, my cache is out of date Nov 20 07:53:02 quickdev: well, it's still failing here Nov 20 07:54:29 quickdev: is gitr477 the one it should be compiling? Nov 20 07:55:28 polz, ehm Nov 20 07:57:20 it says it's created a tarball and then procedes to compile (and fail at compiling) of package ophonekitd-0.0.1+r9-gitr477+(some long hash here) Nov 20 08:00:15 it's not the most recent version Nov 20 08:01:28 polz, rm -rf downloads and try again Nov 20 08:01:55 quickdev: there's nothing even similar in downloads Nov 20 08:03:52 polz, I get 477, too..but I think it's the old one Nov 20 08:04:01 polz, let's talk later about it. Have to go.. Nov 20 08:04:02 me to :) Nov 20 08:58:35 polz: I know your problem (rev 477), I'll look into that as soon as I get to work Nov 20 08:58:43 There are two refs on git named master, this is dumb Nov 20 08:59:19 Ainulindale: don't worry about it, I won't be home until late afternoon Nov 20 09:42:46 if there's a git guru here I'm interested in advice :-) Nov 20 09:45:06 Ainulindale I'm no guru Nov 20 09:47:39 dcordes: well, on my remote git I have heads/master and head/master Nov 20 09:59:25 Ainulindale: head/master is something I have never seen... Nov 20 10:03:33 mrmoku: well, I must have borked something here :-) Nov 20 10:03:58 mrmoku: unfortunately bitbake gets the head/master branch Nov 20 10:03:58 not the heads/master Nov 20 10:04:44 morning Nov 20 10:05:28 morning Nov 20 10:05:28 alphaone: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/59 Nov 20 10:05:28 The bug we were talking about Nov 20 10:05:28 And by the way alphaone Nov 20 10:05:28 You're right Nov 20 10:06:02 You should close xchat and get irssi Nov 20 10:06:02 A man's client Nov 20 10:06:54 +1 for irssi Nov 20 10:07:03 yep, irssi is great :) Nov 20 10:07:20 If you can use it that is.. I'm behind a pesky firewall so now I'm using mibbit.com Nov 20 10:09:20 CM_work: here, I'm on irssi using a VPN on 80 Nov 20 10:17:00 alphaone: I can't understand how the outgoing signal is handled in ti_calypso unsollicited Nov 20 10:17:17 seems msg_type 3 isn't handled Nov 20 10:18:13 Though line 240 seems weird Nov 20 10:19:25 *yawn* Nov 20 10:19:27 morning Nov 20 10:19:45 Ainulindale: ah, that's the bug that just wont stay closed... Nov 20 10:20:14 Hmm though it seems just to be network operations Nov 20 10:20:17 alphaone: morning :-à) Nov 20 10:20:42 alphaone: 2008.11.10 16:23:29 ogsmd DEBUG : got 35 bytes from: '\r\n%CPI: 1,3,0,0,0,0,"611",129,,,0\r\n Nov 20 10:20:42 This doesn't trigger any event Nov 20 10:20:42 on the frameworkd side Nov 20 10:20:59 and on unsollicited, there's no test for msg_type = 3 Nov 20 10:20:59 which I see as outgoing Nov 20 10:20:59 But it seems to me this is handled somewhere else Nov 20 10:21:43 Or that it should be Nov 20 10:21:43 alphaone: that's the bug most of our users have Nov 20 10:22:48 alphaone: where are you supposed to handle %CPI for calls? Nov 20 10:23:00 In the modem implementation, right? Nov 20 10:23:21 Ainulindale: only the ti_calypso has %cpi Nov 20 10:23:33 so yeah, in the unsolicited channel Nov 20 10:23:37 (percentCPI IIRC) Nov 20 10:23:47 ack Nov 20 10:24:09 alphaone: well, then, %CPI with msg_type seems to be outgoing Nov 20 10:24:14 why isn't it handled? Nov 20 10:24:21 dunno Nov 20 10:24:29 heh :-) Nov 20 10:25:09 Well anyway Nov 20 10:25:09 It doesn't seem to be called Nov 20 10:25:12 I'll bring it up in our confcall at 12 Nov 20 10:25:23 Or it's called dynamically perhaps Nov 20 10:25:24 That's my guess Nov 20 10:25:50 mickey|zzZZzz should know about %CPI Nov 20 10:25:54 I suppose you look for the GSM command then translate it to an understandable format, then call dynamically the func Nov 20 10:25:54 Don't you? Nov 20 10:26:15 yeah Nov 20 10:26:26 But percentCPI should get called Nov 20 10:26:30 Ok then, I don't understand why this works at times and not at others Nov 20 10:26:50 I'm going to look at my logs Nov 20 10:26:50 To see what triggers my outgoing event Nov 20 10:27:27 alphaone: oh and, totally unrelated Nov 20 10:27:28 Do you know how to properly remove a remote git branch? Nov 20 10:27:30 I don't know why but I have two refs Nov 20 10:27:42 head/master and heads/master Nov 20 10:27:42 bitbake takes the former Nov 20 10:27:54 which unfortunately isn't the right one Nov 20 10:28:35 I tried git branch -r -d with no luck Nov 20 10:29:24 Ainulindale: Try git branch -D Nov 20 10:29:47 A branch is usually only deleted if it's merged into master completely Nov 20 10:30:58 Problem is Nov 20 10:30:58 make sure head/master does not contain anything you still need though Nov 20 10:30:58 The branch doesn't list anything Nov 20 10:31:14 mrmoku: how can I make sure about that? Nov 20 10:31:15 Ainulindale: %CPI 1,3,0,0,0 means that it's a call proceed of an outgoing channel Nov 20 10:31:18 And anyway Nov 20 10:31:18 ainu@calaquendi ~/shr/gitshr/shr $ git branch -r -D head/master Nov 20 10:31:19 error: remote branch 'head/master' not found. Nov 20 10:31:24 <= git newbie Nov 20 10:32:04 alphaone: i.e. a call has been locally initiated right? Nov 20 10:32:05 Ainulindale: you could do a 'git diff head/master..master' or something like that Nov 20 10:32:19 and also would be interesting to know what you have in .git/config Nov 20 10:32:27 09999999-++++--77 Nov 20 10:32:35 Ainulindale: You should actually get something like this first: Nov 20 10:32:38 %CPI: 1,9,0,0,0,0 Nov 20 10:32:51 alphaone: see the log on the ticket Nov 20 10:33:28 The call is initiated Nov 20 10:33:29 He receives 3 then 4 Nov 20 10:33:29 Then 5 and 6 Nov 20 10:33:29 6 triggering active Nov 20 10:34:17 Though there's that Nov 20 10:34:18 2008.11.10 16:23:27 ogsmd WARNING : Got unicode input. Trying to convert to plain string.. Nov 20 10:34:44 alphaone: I mailed you with that issue, someone talked about it on shr-devel Nov 20 10:34:44 I just put you in CC Nov 20 10:35:31 mrmoku: http://pastebin.com/m3d2384f9 Nov 20 10:36:00 Hey charlie137 o/ Nov 20 10:36:15 Ainulindale: hey Nov 20 10:37:07 alphaone: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/59 <= the ticket by the way Nov 20 10:38:32 mrmoku: see on git Nov 20 10:38:32 http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr.git;a=summary Nov 20 10:38:32 hilight the two "master" you'll see Nov 20 10:38:59 Ainulindale: Yeah, you already told me :-) Nov 20 10:39:26 alphaone: sorry I'm doing tons of things at once Nov 20 10:39:34 no problem Nov 20 10:40:18 Ainulindale: Are you listening to the direction or to the status keywords in shr? Nov 20 10:40:29 alphaone: I'm producing a log for you now Nov 20 10:40:38 direction IIRC Nov 20 10:40:38 But there's no signal emitted whatsoever Nov 20 10:40:40 Err Nov 20 10:40:42 Status sorry Nov 20 10:41:23 Ainulindale: I guess you can just remove the head subdir alltogether. If it comes back again, when you push your local git it could be something in your local .git/config... Nov 20 10:41:23 Best method to restart ophonekitd ? Nov 20 10:42:10 Damn alphaone Nov 20 10:42:10 Just had the issue myself Nov 20 10:42:35 no need to damn me Nov 20 10:42:39 mrmoku: what? Nov 20 10:42:46 alphaone: heh :-) Nov 20 10:42:59 ptitjes: killall -9 ophonekitd; DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd& Nov 20 10:43:11 Ainulindale: rm -r head Nov 20 10:43:12 thx Nov 20 10:43:25 mrmoku: where? Nov 20 10:44:14 in the bearstech git repo. .git/refs/head Nov 20 10:44:14 Well, unfortunately, I can't have access Nov 20 10:44:40 BTW, I did not succeed in git-pushing - I constantly having a 'Persmission Denied (publickey)' error though I'm using ssh-agent/ssh-add Nov 20 10:44:41 :( Nov 20 10:45:07 Ainulindale: Try http://pastebin.com/m1ff880ea Nov 20 10:45:59 ptitjes: git@shr.bearstech.com:shr-overlay.git Nov 20 10:46:04 I'll need to check with mickey for the proper fix, though Nov 20 10:46:33 Somehow I believe we should set direction directly from the direction attribute Nov 20 10:46:34 alphaone: this sounds sensible Nov 20 10:46:55 In fact I was imagining something similar Nov 20 10:46:56 alphaone: what I can't understand is Nov 20 10:47:14 How come this works at time and not at others Nov 20 10:47:14 +s Nov 20 10:49:15 mrmoku: ok done Nov 20 10:49:15 Thanks a lot Nov 20 10:49:16 uhh, np. Nov 20 10:49:28 Ainulindale: my best guess is that the setup phase is where the ME neqotiates stuff with the network for making the call. Nov 20 10:49:55 so if that has already happened because the ME was busy with something anyway, it wont show up... Nov 20 10:50:32 alphaone: your best guess regarding what? Nov 20 10:50:51 Ainulindale: regarding guessplaining the issue at hand Nov 20 10:51:07 alphaone: well, problem is Nov 20 10:51:07 If we don't have an outgoing signal on SHR Nov 20 10:51:07 we won't display a thing Nov 20 10:51:40 And as mine is working Nov 20 10:51:40 There's something else Nov 20 10:51:40 I'm going to verify that Nov 20 10:51:55 Ainulindale: ? Nov 20 10:51:59 Wow this is strange. I restarted X on my neo and my ssh connection to it froze. I restart net.usb0 on my desktop and my ssh connection became active again. Nov 20 10:52:00 alphaone: heh :-) Nov 20 10:52:49 Ok Nov 20 10:52:49 2008.11.21 11:51:32 ogsmd DEBUG |...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...> CallInitiate.__init__: LEAVE Nov 20 10:52:54 2008.11.21 11:51:32 ogsmd DEBUG : got 35 bytes from: '\r\n%CPI: 1,9,0,0,0,0,"123",129,,,0\r\n' Nov 20 10:52:54 I have a 9 Nov 20 10:52:54 the guy on the ticket doesn't Nov 20 10:53:04 Well, it could be some network dependent issues so in some networks these things happen often, in some not at all, ... Nov 20 10:53:25 you got a 9, but you had the same problem? Nov 20 10:53:30 I bet mwester doesn't either Nov 20 10:53:30 => Nov 20 10:53:30 2008.11.21 11:51:32 ogsmd.objects INFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.CallStatus: 1 outgoing {'status': 'outgoing', 'peer': '123', 'line': 0, 'direction': 'outgoing'} Nov 20 10:53:40 yeah Nov 20 10:53:47 after the 9 Nov 20 10:53:47 But your transition works? Nov 20 10:53:49 Now, no Nov 20 10:53:53 I didn't patch yet, didn't do a thing Nov 20 10:53:54 Ainulindale: What is this url ? git@shr.bearstech.com:shr-overlay.git the git repos url ? Nov 20 10:53:54 Before that I had the problem, but I wasn't logging Nov 20 10:54:11 ptitjes: yes Nov 20 10:54:11 alphaone: yes Nov 20 10:54:17 and now you don't have the problem without patching? Nov 20 10:54:19 alphaone: after 9 I have 3 and 4 Nov 20 10:54:19 then 2 and 6 Nov 20 10:54:28 Yep Nov 20 10:54:28 I just had the problem once alphaone Nov 20 10:54:47 So this goes with my "network setup already done" explaination Nov 20 10:55:02 My bet is that it was coincidental Nov 20 10:55:03 And not related to that issue Nov 20 10:55:03 THat wouldn't explain why there's no CPI 9 on some ti_calypso Nov 20 10:55:11 Ainulindale: No Nov 20 10:55:25 alphaone: why wouldn't we get a response for that anyway? Nov 20 10:55:34 CPI 9 is required for status outgoing, direction outgoing to be displayed Nov 20 10:56:12 other states wont trigger it at the moment Nov 20 10:56:22 Ainulindale: no more success Nov 20 10:56:31 alphaone: http://pastebin.com/m13e2d7e2 Nov 20 10:56:32 ptitjes: I'll check later Nov 20 10:56:32 I have to eat Nov 20 10:56:36 alphaone: I did two short calls in a row Nov 20 10:56:37 So EOF to wake up Nov 20 10:56:40 I receive 9 Nov 20 10:56:56 Then I release Nov 20 10:57:03 => receives 7 Nov 20 10:57:28 Then I recall Nov 20 10:57:29 And I receive 9 again Nov 20 10:57:29 So yes, might be network specific :-/ Nov 20 10:57:31 Well anyway Nov 20 10:57:33 Have to eat Nov 20 10:57:39 See you Nov 20 10:57:47 okay Nov 20 11:03:33 Ainulindale: on second though this might be smarter Nov 20 11:03:35 http://pastebin.com/m2f8c4494 Nov 20 11:12:32 hi. i was trying to manually compile a Linux kernel for the freerunner. i want information on the following : 1) patches specific to ARM and Freerunner 2) Device drivers for the freerunner which I can compile into my kernel 3) can i compile einit (aka kyuba) to speed up the boot? Nov 20 11:21:23 stefan_schmidt: just found a rather cheap distributor of Eten phones :) Nov 20 11:21:40 Kensan_: Cool. Link? Nov 20 11:22:15 stefan_schmidt: it seems the Glofiish V900 will have the same SoC as GTA03 Nov 20 11:22:17 Kensan_: hmm, would be cool :) Nov 20 11:22:17 ehi quickdev today I have buyed a german beer :) Nov 20 11:22:28 stefan_schmidt: http://www.expansys.ch/c.aspx?f=65 Nov 20 11:23:21 stefan_schmidt: it says its the Samsung SoC 6400 Nov 20 11:23:57 Kensan_: 6410 in the 03 Nov 20 11:24:01 stefan_schmidt: ah ok. but probably close enough Nov 20 11:24:01 Still very similar. Nov 20 11:24:01 yeah Nov 20 11:24:01 :) Nov 20 11:24:36 Kensan_: Ben Docks is getting the 64xx stuff ready in mainline sponsored by OM Nov 20 11:24:37 He ist the S3C maintainer Nov 20 11:25:18 stefan_schmidt: yeah, I know. Nov 20 11:25:26 stefan_schmidt: he's been steadily posting patches Nov 20 11:25:27 Once this is all there new board support should be not that hard Nov 20 11:25:27 stefan_schmidt: yeah it's awesome, that OM contracted Ben to do this. Nov 20 11:25:28 SHR should ship frameworkd in DEBUG mode Nov 20 11:25:28 Kensan_: good Nov 20 11:25:58 Kensan_: good prices at expansys Nov 20 11:26:01 stefan_schmidt: I wonder why these Eten phones are so cheap compared to similar phones... Nov 20 11:26:23 Kensan_: Even a bit cheaper then I paid for mine Nov 20 11:26:25 stefan_schmidt: yeah it's crazy since it's a swiss distributor... Nov 20 11:26:25 ;) Nov 20 11:26:41 Kensan_: (Price) No idea Nov 20 11:27:05 stefan_schmidt: the ony other distributor I found charges at least double of the expansys prives Nov 20 11:27:05 prices Nov 20 11:27:23 only Nov 20 11:27:23 *gngngnaa* Nov 20 11:27:23 stefan_schmidt what's your phone? Nov 20 11:27:32 dcordes: Which one? ;) Nov 20 11:27:32 dcordes: M800 Nov 20 11:28:05 don't know. 'mine' Nov 20 11:28:05 * stefan_schmidt makes a mental note to make a 'familiy picture' of his device farm. :) Nov 20 11:28:15 dcordes: The one from eten is the M800 Nov 20 11:28:37 what chipset does it have? Nov 20 11:28:50 stefan_schmidt: yeah, that would be nice. Take a pic of your arsenal ;) Nov 20 11:29:13 dcordes: S3C2442, same as GTA02 and also the same VGA display Nov 20 11:29:32 guys Nov 20 11:29:36 why the gps isn't so accurate? Nov 20 11:29:36 dcordes: btw, what's the status of the kaiser? FSO needs more platforms :) Nov 20 11:29:53 stefan_schmidt you uset he gta02 kernel on it? Nov 20 11:30:02 dcordes: yes, Harald already got some parts working. Tested it here with haret Nov 20 11:30:02 stefan_schmidt we still didn't sort the sd card crash problem Nov 20 11:30:35 dcordes: Modem? Nov 20 11:30:40 oh right. he asked for how to dump dlls Nov 20 11:30:57 modem works great since summer Nov 20 11:31:14 see here: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a2a66bef95a84307fac1d616cf680c99.png Nov 20 11:31:15 dcordes: yeah, at the moment he dives really deep into reverse enginner wimo files :) Nov 20 11:31:27 dcordes: cool Nov 20 11:31:27 wimo -> windows mobile? Nov 20 11:31:30 dcordes: Any documents about the at commands? Nov 20 11:32:16 Kensan_: yes Nov 20 11:32:16 stefan_schmidt: ok, thanks Nov 20 11:32:16 stefan_schmidt a different poblem is X11 notw orking on the msm fb Nov 20 11:32:43 dcordes: I guess you guys lookign more forward to android on it instead of fso + shr, etc? Nov 20 11:32:45 dcordes: hmm, to bad Nov 20 11:32:46 stefan_schmidt no but there are the wince AT logs and the android ril phone code Nov 20 11:33:20 dcordes: Where do you have your rootfs when sd is not working? Nov 20 11:33:39 dcordes: Have you a link to a collection to the modem related things? Nov 20 11:33:48 well I gues they must be documented somewhere but Idk Nov 20 11:33:48 * stefan_schmidt needs to write a mail about other platforms in fso soon Nov 20 11:33:56 dcordes: ok Nov 20 11:33:57 stefan_schmidt: on the glofiish: booting works via kernel+rootfs on sd? Nov 20 11:34:05 Already poked ph5 for the magician Nov 20 11:34:05 Kensan_: rootfs on sd, kernel loaded via haret Nov 20 11:34:07 I terrored mickeyl a lot with modems upport in fso for the msm7200 Nov 20 11:34:54 dcordes: Problem is that we need somebody working with us to get it working. We don't have the hardware Nov 20 11:35:09 shoragan was pondering to buy one. Not decided yet Nov 20 11:35:45 I was just digging in my mind fort hat nickname Nov 20 11:35:54 dcordes: :) Nov 20 11:35:58 I'm ready to workw ith you to make it work Nov 20 11:36:27 We would also love to see it on iphone and G1. But that all needs motivated people Nov 20 11:36:35 but I can only test from fso-console -mage Nov 20 11:36:37 X no worky Nov 20 11:36:53 dcordes: Cool, will add this to my mail. Need to get support for other platforms started Nov 20 11:38:00 dcordes: no worries for modem support that is fine Nov 20 11:38:18 stefan_schmidt that's no problem. you can chroot on the g1 and all. modem is basically same as kaise Nov 20 11:39:09 dcordes: ah, cool, didn't know that Nov 20 11:41:36 dcordes: One more reason we need support for the modem in fso :) Nov 20 11:42:42 dcordes: I'll prepare a mail today or tomorrow to kick it off Nov 20 11:42:43 just newer revision of the chip. g1 has the same hardware as the other new htcs like raphael diamond blackstone Nov 20 11:42:43 etc Nov 20 11:42:51 dcordes: Are you subscribed to the fso lists or prefer an cc? Nov 20 11:42:51 stefan_schmidt no Nov 20 11:42:59 dcordes: ok, I'll put you in CC Nov 20 11:43:00 Ainulindale: alphaone: my own 'missing outgoing call signal' frameworkd.log Nov 20 11:43:09 Ainulindale: alphaone: http://pastebin.com/m1f2e61d Nov 20 11:43:09 you can cc to lukas.gorris (googlemail) Nov 20 11:43:30 dcordes: ok, noted Nov 20 11:43:37 Away for a bit. Later Nov 20 11:44:45 good stuff :) Nov 20 11:46:21 Here I am again Nov 20 11:46:54 alphaone: seems good to me Nov 20 11:48:07 Ainulindale Nov 20 11:48:07 today I tested tangogps Nov 20 11:48:15 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a2a66bef95a84307fac1d616cf680c99.png Nov 20 11:48:16 it is normal for you? Nov 20 11:48:28 gps isn't so accurate .. Nov 20 11:50:02 I had this issue myself, but I can' do a thing about that Nov 20 11:50:02 +t Nov 20 11:52:54 Ainulindale: alphaone: my own 'missing outgoing call signal' frameworkd.log Nov 20 11:52:58 Ainulindale: alphaone: http://pastebin.com/m1f2e61d Nov 20 11:53:27 stefan_schmidt ok thank you. I will register for the lists when home from work Nov 20 11:53:29 ptitjes: saw that Nov 20 11:53:39 ptitjes: try that patch Nov 20 11:53:39 http://pastebin.com/m2f8c4494 Nov 20 11:54:06 Kensan you mean support for more devices? Nov 20 11:57:52 Kensan ..the good stuff Nov 20 12:04:50 Ainulindale: I'll try this patch in a few minutes Nov 20 12:05:29 Ainulindale, quickdev: see oe mailing list Nov 20 12:06:05 Ainulindale: I just had a call while another another call was active - this put all thing in a complete bad state - can't close calling app, contacts loading.. for a while... have to reboot Nov 20 12:06:05 don't do that! it's a tarp ! Nov 20 12:06:25 Ainulindale: would like a log Nov 20 12:06:54 I meant : would you like a log ? Nov 20 12:09:01 ptitjes: 'bout what? Nov 20 12:09:07 ptitjes: hmmm I can't try that myself Nov 20 12:09:11 You should talk about that with quickdev Nov 20 12:09:26 mickey|zzZZzz: will do Nov 20 12:10:06 Ok good Nov 20 12:10:06 So we're in? Nov 20 12:10:15 mickey|zzZZzz: did the conf call with alphaone went well by the way? Nov 20 12:10:32 I figured out some stuff about #59 Nov 20 12:10:32 (no outgoing signal) Nov 20 12:10:40 seems there's no setup (CPI 9) in some cases Nov 20 12:10:40 hence no outgoing signal fired Nov 20 12:11:05 confcall was postponsed for 1h Nov 20 12:11:21 Ok then Nov 20 12:11:22 we're starting in a couple of minutes Nov 20 12:11:26 mickey|zzZZzz: Just so you know, I gave alphaone my logs Nov 20 12:11:43 I always have CPI 9 on outgoing Nov 20 12:11:43 ok Nov 20 12:11:44 the log on #59 doesn't show any Nov 20 12:11:44 me too Nov 20 12:12:05 well anyway mwester will be happy, this is his main issue ;-) Nov 20 12:16:37 btw., anyone know who did http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4dc340d6661464ca15a0789011cdd3c6.png and http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4c768863097df0cfa4c45411737b0845.png? I'd love to get a combination of these running Nov 20 12:16:54 that looks amazing IMO Nov 20 12:16:55 or.. IME Nov 20 12:17:11 for that matter Nov 20 12:17:13 mickey|zzZZzz: second one is from sicu Nov 20 12:17:13 And I have to say Nov 20 12:17:21 No wonder your chose such an awful ringtone Nov 20 12:17:22 You really have an awful taste Nov 20 12:17:30 hahaha Nov 20 12:17:31 that's a contradiction in itself :) Nov 20 12:17:41 No, not really, I tend to be the referential to my own universe Nov 20 12:17:50 So well :-p Nov 20 12:17:50 in that case, right Nov 20 12:17:50 mickey|zzZZzz: In any case Nov 20 12:18:06 I'll commit sicu's theme as soon as he wishes me to Nov 20 12:18:06 In between we're waiting for Hire's Nov 20 12:18:06 anyways, I wonder if anyone of these guys is patching illume or whether they are just changing icons Nov 20 12:18:10 me? Nov 20 12:18:10 for what? Nov 20 12:18:14 illlume theme? Nov 20 12:18:15 mickey|zzZZzz: they're changing the icons and modifying the edje theme Nov 20 12:18:15 Hire: yes Nov 20 12:18:15 ah, bummer Nov 20 12:18:16 mickey|zzZZzz: why bummer? Nov 20 12:18:21 mickey|zzZZzz: that's not a patch Nov 20 12:18:24 because this approach does not scale Nov 20 12:18:36 Why? Nov 20 12:18:42 As long as you can opkg install a theme package it'll work Nov 20 12:18:43 because new icons will not look stylized Nov 20 12:18:45 nah Nov 20 12:18:48 Ah yes Nov 20 12:18:48 mickey|zzZZzz, evening, i'd lack some hand-holding with the recipe. oe_runconf borks telling me that it couldn't find python headers required to build extensions.. I added inherit distutils and the python-path.patch from zecke's recipe Nov 20 12:18:53 mickey|zzZZzz: indeed Nov 20 12:19:08 mickey|zzZZzz: and that's a problem with some bb recipes Nov 20 12:19:08 s/lack/like to have Nov 20 12:19:08 i see new recipe for illume... this scared me a bit :) Nov 20 12:19:08 a better approach would be to postprocess the images Nov 20 12:19:08 some are using extensions, some are using paths Nov 20 12:19:09 and here we are with my idea Nov 20 12:19:18 patch illume to render them consistently Nov 20 12:19:27 like... adding round edges and apply a dither Nov 20 12:19:29 e.g. Nov 20 12:19:31 ah, you mean that Nov 20 12:19:38 that's what i mean with postprocessing Nov 20 12:19:38 Then you're a mad man Nov 20 12:19:41 that will use the original icons Nov 20 12:19:42 Work on frameworkd :-p Nov 20 12:19:45 and will give a consistent look Nov 20 12:19:45 Leave the UI to raster :-p Nov 20 12:19:57 mickey|zzZZzz: by the way Nov 20 12:19:57 mickey|zzZZzz: i am working on icons and edc... i don't want to patch illume Nov 20 12:20:20 I'd be glad if you were to bug him about implementing the idle notifier timeouts Nov 20 12:20:20 Because as soon as illume can handle that Nov 20 12:20:29 half of the rule file is useless Nov 20 12:20:29 heh... if raster will fiddle with the lower layers, i feel encouraged to fiddle with UI Nov 20 12:20:29 mickey|zzZZzz: Ui is for sissies :-p Nov 20 12:20:30 Ainulindale: (rules) good, that was intended Nov 20 12:20:48 mickey|zzZZzz: and I looked at opimd yesterday Nov 20 12:20:48 mickey|zzZZzz: you are right Nov 20 12:20:48 sad to say, it's not explicit at all Nov 20 12:20:48 And there's no journal Nov 20 12:21:01 I thought this was important Nov 20 12:21:06 and for thar reason I want to give to illume a consistency Nov 20 12:21:20 with my icons Nov 20 12:21:24 i want to change it at all Nov 20 12:21:39 mickey|zzZZzz: and the fennec bb recipe won't compile by the way (will tell you why as soon as I remember it) Nov 20 12:22:12 http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/2144667.txt <= for that reason Nov 20 12:22:35 Hire: i appreciate that. i just think it's the wrong approach to start with. please, for all means, continue with your work. i have yet to show a proof that "my" way is better :) Nov 20 12:23:05 and given my todo list, i will probably never :) Nov 20 12:23:06 mickey|zzZZzz: you'll get yourself exhausted writing use cases =) Nov 20 12:23:53 (fennec) autoconf2.13 not found? if it's depending on a specific version, we need to patch taht out Nov 20 12:24:19 mickey|zzZZzz: yep :-) Nov 20 12:24:41 mickey|zzZZzz: sure, your way is better then mine but I can do only on that Nov 20 12:24:41 I'll do that as soon as the OE commiting rights will get done Nov 20 12:24:41 mickey|zzZZzz: is there any special commiting policies we should know about? Nov 20 12:25:14 if Ainulindale or quickdev wants my work... ok, nice, i appreciate it otherwise I don't do it a problem Nov 20 12:25:44 Ainulindale: yeah, lots of Nov 20 12:26:03 Ainulindale: commit messages, oe-stylize, et. al. please take a dive into the wiki Nov 20 12:26:07 there should be some policies pagfe Nov 20 12:26:07 i am an admin system not a programmer or artworker Nov 20 12:26:46 Hire: your artwork tells another story. quit with admin and do some creative :) Nov 20 12:27:20 i completely suck at gfx, unfortunately Nov 20 12:27:23 i wish i had more talent Nov 20 12:27:40 i'm good with music though Nov 20 12:27:48 i know, i read your blog :) Nov 20 12:28:18 and me too, i am "good" with music ;) Nov 20 12:29:16 mickey|zzZZzz: did you get into d.fso.org? Nov 20 12:29:27 was too late yesterday nite Nov 20 12:29:27 let me try now Nov 20 12:30:33 rwhitby: i'm in, thanks! Nov 20 12:30:33 will populate a fso-stable soon Nov 20 12:30:41 ok Nov 20 12:31:00 Ainulindale: patch applied - I've got the gui that show up (keypad is cool BTW - can erase my answering machine messages!!) Nov 20 12:31:08 mickey|zzZZzz: feel free to use up to about 10G Nov 20 12:31:15 Ainulindale: but the gui don't show up while initiating the call but when the call is active anyway Nov 20 12:32:09 Ainulindale: also the release button doesn't appear to work - i had to close the calling app through Illume which seems to have release the call Nov 20 12:34:46 mickey|zzZZzz: good with music? Which kind of instrument (and music - or noise)? Nov 20 12:35:50 ptitjes: hmmm Nov 20 12:35:58 ptitjes: could you give me the logs? Nov 20 12:35:59 (from the initiate to the release) Nov 20 12:36:49 yes sir Nov 20 12:37:39 mickey|zzZZzz: hmm guitar I see, it's been a long time since I played mine Nov 20 12:37:44 And I may still have my clarinet somewhere Nov 20 12:38:00 (TC at the moment) Nov 20 12:38:01 everything strings :) Nov 20 12:38:03 Ok I'll leave you to your conference then :-) Nov 20 12:38:22 dcordes: yes, the effort to support other plattforms. Nov 20 12:38:42 dcordes: sorry, was having lunch Nov 20 12:38:44 yeah, received the om nda to sign! Nov 20 12:40:02 DieMumie1: for opengl? Nov 20 12:41:02 yea I want to support that as much as I can. unfortunately that was only adding two machines to OE until now Nov 20 12:41:04 Ainulindale: probably a target.. i also wanted to do 2d stuff Nov 20 12:41:04 mickey|zzZZzz, you should have my key now Nov 20 12:41:08 DieMumie1: nice :-) Nov 20 12:41:08 dcordes: that's more than most can say... Nov 20 12:41:08 Ainulindale: I wanted to have a better /dev/fb Nov 20 12:41:17 Ainulindale, did you solve that branch issue? Nov 20 12:41:25 but after the android patches the most important stuff seems to work Nov 20 12:41:25 quickdev: yes Nov 20 12:41:25 I can't really code anything, otherwise I would have looked in adding the msm7200 modem to fso Nov 20 12:41:25 so maybe 2d is finished.. Nov 20 12:41:26 quickdev: all is good now Nov 20 12:41:26 dcordes: and your involvement with the HTC-Linux project. Nov 20 12:41:41 Ainulindale: here it is http://pastebin.com/m71bddebe Nov 20 12:42:11 as you can see i pressed release many times - it tries to release but don't succeed Nov 20 12:42:11 ptitjes: you have an outgoing signal there Nov 20 12:42:29 dcordes: info about the supported at commandset etc would be helpfull I guess. Nov 20 12:43:03 2008.11.20 02:36:55 ogsmd DEBUG |...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...> CallRelease.__init__: ENTER (, at 0x37c730>, at 0x518c70>),{'index': dbus.Int32(1)} Nov 20 12:43:03 2008.11.20 02:36:55 ogsmd DEBUG |...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...> CallRelease.__init__: LEAVE Nov 20 12:43:03 2008.11.20 02:36:55 ogsmd DEBUG |...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...> CallRelease.__del__: ENTER (),{} Nov 20 12:43:04 2008.11.20 02:36:55 ogsmd DEBUG |...|...|...|...|...|...|...|...> CallRelease.__del__: LEAVE Nov 20 12:43:04 dcordes: it must be buried somewhere in all the android code Nov 20 12:43:04 ptitjes: stop that please :-) Nov 20 12:43:04 sorry Nov 20 12:43:20 ptitjes: please use pastebin (nopaste.ch= Nov 20 12:43:20 ) Nov 20 12:43:20 ptitjes: problem is, IMHO, related to the elm UI Nov 20 12:43:21 you received a message in between Nov 20 12:43:37 yes Nov 20 12:43:38 and also I used DTMF Nov 20 12:43:40 My guess is that the threads borked somewhere Nov 20 12:43:41 quickdev? Nov 20 12:43:57 Ainulindale, ? Nov 20 12:44:30 Hmmm ptitjes no this is different you didn't receive a call release signal Nov 20 12:44:30 Ainulindale, I committed ophonekitd changes this morning. Nov 20 12:44:35 quickdev: yeah I saw Nov 20 12:44:35 Good thing Nov 20 12:44:37 Is it compiling now? Nov 20 12:44:50 Ainulindale, before, the build host had: ophonekitd-0.0.1+r9-gitr477+715f0f5e137b53dcf0c3e74409727d8cd3df1e1f Nov 20 12:44:55 and it's still the same hash / gitrevision Nov 20 12:45:51 715 is not the most recent commit Nov 20 12:45:51 6c44 is the most recent one Nov 20 12:46:01 quickdev: I fixed that Nov 20 12:46:09 bitbake -c clean ophonekitd ; bitbake ophonekitd Nov 20 12:46:09 This morning Nov 20 12:46:09 does not update it Nov 20 12:46:09 I tried it some minutes ago Nov 20 12:46:18 update your shr-overlay Nov 20 12:46:26 I tried it on the build host Nov 20 12:46:26 maybe I should delete the git repository Nov 20 12:47:05 Let me try Nov 20 12:47:23 Ainulindale, was it shr-overlay or shr you changed the branch? Nov 20 12:47:24 No, shr in fact, sorry for the confusion Nov 20 12:47:33 Doing a mrproper right now Nov 20 12:48:18 Hmmm Nov 20 12:48:18 NOTE: package ophonekitd-0.0.1+r9-gitr477+715f0f5e137b53dcf0c3e74409727d8cd3df1e1f: started Nov 20 12:48:51 still the same Nov 20 12:48:51 There's something wrong with HEAD then Nov 20 12:48:51 yeah Nov 20 12:49:01 Ainulindale, btw....do you see that strange messages when cloning git? "walt xxx...got xx" and so on Nov 20 12:49:03 did you use a svn importer or why is that? Nov 20 12:49:11 I imported from svn, yes Nov 20 12:49:22 mrmoku? Nov 20 12:49:50 http://androidzaurus.seesaa.net/article/102134041.html Nov 20 12:49:50 quickdev: well, it still won't properly get the head version Nov 20 12:49:51 Ainulindale, you should have copied it, not importing it to have a clean git repository - log messages aren't very important atm Nov 20 12:49:52 I removed the ref head/master which was there before Nov 20 12:50:02 quickdev: I'd rather have logs Nov 20 12:50:18 I'd rather have a proper git setup :) Nov 20 12:50:20 The problem here isn't due to that, it's because I apparently borked the branch Nov 20 12:50:28 Adding a ref head/master Nov 20 12:50:51 Which seems to be a typo Nov 20 12:51:01 Kensan are you familiar with the fso modems? Nov 20 12:51:25 Ainulindale, could you please fix that? somehow? :) Nov 20 12:51:49 Ainulindale, maybe ask in #git Nov 20 12:52:12 dcordes: not (yet) Nov 20 12:52:12 g2g Nov 20 12:52:45 sry Nov 20 12:52:45 dcordes: sure, catch you later :) Nov 20 12:53:51 Fixed, quickdev Nov 20 12:53:52 I had to commit again to refix the HEAD Nov 20 12:54:25 ok Nov 20 12:54:25 now it's 478? Nov 20 12:54:58 479 Nov 20 12:54:59 polz, should work now Nov 20 12:54:59 (my commit) Nov 20 12:55:15 great, thanks Nov 20 12:55:15 Ainulindale, what's the most important thing to fix? Nov 20 12:55:19 We should also avoid unpacking/packing of the unecessary files Nov 20 12:55:25 quickdev: \n, the whole look and feel (buttons responses are not truly evidents) Nov 20 12:55:27 Let me see the tickets Nov 20 12:55:27 evidents? Nov 20 12:55:35 what does that mean? Nov 20 12:55:35 sorry, french Nov 20 12:55:35 Wait a minute someone is talking to me Nov 20 12:55:52 So Nov 20 12:55:53 contacts will crash if there's no room in the sim Nov 20 12:55:54 #90 Nov 20 12:55:55 #97 (\n and
) Nov 20 12:55:55 Ainulindale: I'll check it out when I get home. Nov 20 12:55:55 send a sms from a contact Nov 20 12:55:57 call a sms sender Nov 20 12:57:05 quickdev: and a BIGGER scrollbar for contacts, god dammit :-) Nov 20 12:57:07 Ainulindale, raster should implement his list widget Nov 20 12:58:04 Ainulindale, btw....I talked to you about managing windows in ophonekitd...that still needs to be done...one major thing ;) Nov 20 12:58:09 quickdev: what was it again? Nov 20 12:59:06 on every action t he same window is used.....imagine you have a new sms and then the "message storage is full" thing appears Nov 20 12:59:32 Ah, that Nov 20 12:59:32 That's your fault :-) Nov 20 12:59:51 ophonekitd doesn't have to be aware of the windows, what would you want me to do? Nov 20 13:00:12 hey dolf1074 o/ Nov 20 13:00:14 hey Nov 20 13:01:24 Ainulindale, it has to be aware of windows. Imagine you can display two dialogs in ophonekitd at the same time. You only have phonegui_dialog_show() and phonegui_dialog_hide().....you need to pass the Identifier of the window that should be closed Nov 20 13:01:25 quickdev: I don't agree Nov 20 13:01:32 Even more, I disagree Nov 20 13:01:38 (in proper english) Nov 20 13:01:46 ophonekitd just has to know the id of the call/whatever thing it manages Nov 20 13:01:53 in the case of a call, the id is enough Nov 20 13:01:54 yeah...any ID Nov 20 13:02:05 is ok Nov 20 13:02:05 in the case of a message Nov 20 13:02:05 If you have a constant Nov 20 13:02:10 Which should be in lfp by the way Nov 20 13:02:14 yeah Nov 20 13:02:21 opening using this constant and closing it the way will do Nov 20 13:02:57 I meant ID's with "managing" windows Nov 20 13:02:58 Don't try to do something more complex than that, it'll be unecessary IMHO Nov 20 13:02:58 quickdev: well Nov 20 13:03:16 Do you know how to force opkg to install the local package you made? 'opkg install ... -force-reinstall -force-downgrade' doesn't have the right result (http://pastebin.com/m2d1fe031) Nov 20 13:03:16 we have to kinds of events Nov 20 13:03:16 frameworkd initiated Nov 20 13:03:16 i.e. calls, etc Nov 20 13:03:20 dolf1074, had thaat issue, too. Don't know :) Nov 20 13:03:20 and situation/information Nov 20 13:03:24 i.e. no more room for sms and such Nov 20 13:03:25 dolf1074, I did: rm /var/lib/opkg/* Nov 20 13:03:25 first is interactive, second isn't (or not that much) Nov 20 13:03:25 and then it's installing the local one Nov 20 13:03:31 for the second Nov 20 13:03:44 you will only have one window of the given type at the same instant Nov 20 13:03:44 Do we agree? Nov 20 13:04:07 quickdev: seems logic, will try Nov 20 13:04:59 Ainulindale, you cannot assume that Nov 20 13:05:07 maybe in future that will change Nov 20 13:05:18 Why would it? Nov 20 13:05:43 Give me a good example and I'll give it a thought :-) Nov 20 13:05:44 because maybe there are window types such as dialogs that may appear twice? Nov 20 13:05:49 Which kind? Nov 20 13:06:39 (I'm talking about the same event here) Nov 20 13:06:39 "such as dialogs" Nov 20 13:06:48 quickdev: I think we agree even if we don't understand each other there Nov 20 13:06:48 Let me picture an example Nov 20 13:06:53 Let's say you have EVENT_1 and EVENT_2 Nov 20 13:06:53 The two, even if they are related, are different Nov 20 13:06:58 yeah, I think we agree.. Nov 20 13:06:58 You'll just have to show the window for the appropriate event Nov 20 13:06:58 And close it the same way Nov 20 13:06:58 there has to be some difference Nov 20 13:07:07 Ainulindale: i have a guitar too :) Nov 20 13:07:32 quickdev: but ophonekitd won't have to know a "window" or "resource" is open Nov 20 13:07:32 a gibson sg "diavoletto" Nov 20 13:07:32 yeah Nov 20 13:08:06 http://bodo.altervista.org/diavoletto.jpg <-- this Nov 20 13:08:23 Ainulindale, you should have named the shr.git shr-apps.git Nov 20 13:08:36 and you should have name the shr/ folder in the build structure shr-overlay Nov 20 13:08:40 *named :) Nov 20 13:09:34 quickdev: I didn't want to change the makefile that much Nov 20 13:09:59 I should also be named Captain America Nov 20 13:09:59 but it'S confusing ;) Nov 20 13:10:08 But my parents told me Julien was better Nov 20 13:10:09 Let's not focus on names, shall we? :-) Nov 20 13:10:26 We'll have plenty of time to do that, don't worry Nov 20 13:10:36 quickdev: so do we agree on that ophonekitd thing? Nov 20 13:11:06 quickdev: we should talk about that for UMAF Nov 20 13:11:06 because this will be tied to it Nov 20 13:11:13 (lfp) Nov 20 13:12:55 I don't think UMAF will cover window management things Nov 20 13:13:04 Will it cover events? Nov 20 13:13:04 Standard situations Nov 20 13:13:04 (I didn't read that much about it) Nov 20 13:13:13 If it covers functional cases Nov 20 13:13:13 It'll be tied to lfp Nov 20 13:17:00 Damn my colleagues Nov 20 13:17:09 kill them :) Nov 20 13:17:09 Then found out about these high frequencies sound you're not supposed to hear when you're old enough Nov 20 13:17:18 Unfortunately Nov 20 13:17:18 It seems I hear them very well Nov 20 13:17:47 s/Then/They/ Nov 20 13:19:02 it is an old story :) Nov 20 13:19:14 it's a stupid thing for teenager Nov 20 13:21:27 Indeed it is Nov 20 13:21:28 But I'm not a teenager Nov 20 13:22:24 mickey|zzZZzz: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/248 Nov 20 13:23:00 alphaone, mickey|zzZZzz Nov 20 13:23:14 Please talk about a restart of frameworkd if gsm0710muxd is already there Nov 20 13:23:23 (will say the resource wasn't requested) Nov 20 13:23:46 (I don't know if it'll keep working, but the daemon sure keeps running) Nov 20 13:24:04 ok, thanks to alphaone i finally understood #59 Nov 20 13:24:05 and a fix is underway (courtesy alphaone ) Nov 20 13:24:13 mickey|zzZZzz: the fix he shew us an hour ago? Nov 20 13:24:17 Because if it is Nov 20 13:24:17 probably, ya Nov 20 13:24:17 there's the same issue with release Nov 20 13:24:18 really? Nov 20 13:24:20 naaah Nov 20 13:24:30 really Nov 20 13:24:31 *sigh* Nov 20 13:24:31 ptitjes produced a log Nov 20 13:24:31 uri? Nov 20 13:24:44 13:41:25 < ptitjes> Ainulindale: here it is http://pastebin.com/m71bddebe Nov 20 13:24:55 no callrelease signal Nov 20 13:25:11 (or none that I can see) Nov 20 13:25:25 And damn me Nov 20 13:25:37 I just spent 180 euros on amazon Nov 20 13:25:54 for what? Nov 20 13:26:15 Two totally unrelated things Nov 20 13:26:44 (wait a minute) Nov 20 13:26:45 http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B001CJYK22 <= Nov 20 13:26:48 and http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/1401210856 Nov 20 13:27:28 (Regarding #1, I'm an atheist, but interested in understanding stuff :-p) Nov 20 13:27:50 (this is a french analysis of the beginnings of christianism) Nov 20 13:28:08 eheh Nov 20 13:28:12 i am agnostic but i readed the bible :) Nov 20 13:28:44 yes I know a bit readed Nov 20 13:28:44 argh Nov 20 13:28:48 yes I know a bit french Nov 20 13:28:57 a bit of french :-) Nov 20 13:29:22 a bit of french Nov 20 13:29:22 Hire: if you're interested in agnosticism and why you should be atheist instead, read God Delusion Nov 20 13:29:27 by Dawkins Nov 20 13:29:27 It's very VERY interesting Nov 20 13:29:46 Good read for scientists anyway Nov 20 13:30:45 i have visited the two times Paris ( the second time for eurodisney :D ) and the sud of the France Nov 20 13:30:55 Ainulindale: yeah, I know it :) Nov 20 13:30:56 i read it :D Nov 20 13:31:11 do you know anobii? Nov 20 13:31:11 Hire: south of france? which south? Nov 20 13:31:11 South as near Italy? Nov 20 13:31:12 Or near spain? Nov 20 13:32:42 http://pastebin.com/m71bddebe -- who did hang up and when ? Nov 20 13:33:14 mickeyl: 123 is answering machine for SFR Nov 20 13:33:14 He triggered the release Nov 20 13:33:18 Ainulindale: uhm... narbonne, nimes, nizza, saint tropez, villeneuave lube, orange, monpellier and others :) ( sorry if I wrong some names ... ) Nov 20 13:33:43 But the window didn't go away Nov 20 13:33:43 because there was no callrelease signal Nov 20 13:33:43 Hire: I was raised near Narbonne Nov 20 13:33:47 (Carcassonne in fact) Nov 20 13:33:50 Ainulindale: So my patch is fine? Nov 20 13:33:56 (going away for a smoke quickly) Nov 20 13:33:56 so all south of the france :) Nov 20 13:35:19 Ainulindale, is that the issue mwester experienced? Nov 20 13:35:40 yeah Ainulindale I know Carcassonne.. and aqua mort too :) Nov 20 13:37:28 '\r\n%CPI: 1,6,0,1,0,0,"123",129,,,0\r\n' really is the last notice from the modem? Nov 20 13:37:28 this is quite ugly Nov 20 13:37:40 there's no indication whatsoever that the call has ended then Nov 20 13:37:40 *sigh* Nov 20 13:37:51 not even a NO CARRIER Nov 20 13:37:51 this is quite unusual Nov 20 13:40:36 which firmware is that? Nov 20 13:42:09 ptitjes? Nov 20 13:42:30 alphaone: seems there is still an issue with release Nov 20 13:44:03 (damn speech-dispatcher froze my device again) Nov 20 13:44:22 if that release is definitely not there, we are in trouble Nov 20 13:44:22 mickeyl: we should figure out a way to make odeviced less affected by gst Nov 20 13:44:41 perhaps the logs are truncated? Nov 20 13:44:42 Here if gst hangs, odeviced/oeventsd will hang Nov 20 13:44:47 mickeyl: yeah that's why I would like to reproduce that on his side Nov 20 13:45:02 I don't have the issue myself Nov 20 13:45:12 (Never updated the firmware) Nov 20 13:45:13 (First GTA02 batch) Nov 20 13:45:39 by the way mickeyl Nov 20 13:45:40 Ainulindale: (gst hang) can you give me a sequence of commands to reproduce? Nov 20 13:45:41 why the hell is cpp installed by some packages? Nov 20 13:45:45 mickeyl: simple Nov 20 13:46:08 Install navit Nov 20 13:46:08 suspend Nov 20 13:46:10 resume Nov 20 13:46:11 call yourself Nov 20 13:46:11 you won't have a ringtone Nov 20 13:46:11 because gst hangs up Nov 20 13:46:16 pulse audio is hogging the resource IMHO Nov 20 13:46:26 wait Nov 20 13:46:26 we don't ship PA Nov 20 13:46:29 I know Nov 20 13:46:35 we discourage people using it Nov 20 13:46:35 I know that too :-) Nov 20 13:46:36 And I agree Nov 20 13:46:45 But if any kind of program makes gst hangs Nov 20 13:47:02 It shouldn't affect odeviced/oeventsd that way Nov 20 13:47:02 true Nov 20 13:47:39 I can't even release a call in that kind of state Nov 20 13:47:56 why navit btw.? Nov 20 13:47:56 does it drag in PA? Nov 20 13:47:58 mickeyl: because it pushes speech-dispatcher Nov 20 13:47:58 which uses PA Nov 20 13:48:09 mickeyl: and regarding cpp Nov 20 13:48:13 I produced a testlab yesterday for GTA01 Nov 20 13:48:20 * Package cpp is depended upon by packages: Nov 20 13:48:20 * cpp-symlinks Nov 20 13:48:20 * edje-utils Nov 20 13:48:32 I can't see why edje-utils needs cpp Nov 20 13:48:51 Why the hell would it need a compiler? Nov 20 13:49:17 because it's a compiler Nov 20 13:49:17 :D Nov 20 13:49:17 Ainulindale, because there may be some C scripts in .EDC files Nov 20 13:49:34 Damn Nov 20 13:49:34 animations for example Nov 20 13:49:34 This is awful Nov 20 13:49:53 (I'm trying to produce a very lite shr-lite-image) Nov 20 13:49:54 mickeyl: oh and Nov 20 13:49:55 I cleaned the shr image recipe Nov 20 13:49:56 mickeyl: you might be interested in the result for fso image Nov 20 13:50:24 And I agree with you, fso image should be console only :-p Nov 20 13:50:33 Maybe we can put a specific image with zhone on shr? Nov 20 13:51:20 quickdev: isn't there a way to compile them at package writing time? Nov 20 13:51:37 yeah, there is Nov 20 13:51:55 where do you need it? Nov 20 13:51:55 And we wouldn't need cpp, right? Nov 20 13:51:55 My goal was to remove cpp Nov 20 13:52:29 we don'tn eed edje_utils I think Nov 20 13:52:41 although .edc then have to be compiled on hosts Nov 20 13:52:50 but that's not a big problem I think Nov 20 13:53:34 Damn Nov 20 13:53:35 quickdev: anyway edje-util is a dependency of everything Nov 20 13:53:43 then it's wrong Nov 20 13:53:43 edje-util is more or less a dev package Nov 20 13:53:48 mickeyl: It looks like the call release doesn't produse an ATH Nov 20 13:53:56 Glad to hear that then Nov 20 13:54:07 mickeyl: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/openmoko-shr-lite-image-glibc-ipk--20081119-om-gta01-testlab/installed-package-sizes.txt Nov 20 13:54:23 mickeyl: size of the packages on the lite image Nov 20 13:54:23 I removed the font already Nov 20 13:54:24 I would like to remove as much as I can Nov 20 13:54:24 remove sysvinit and use a linuxrc Nov 20 13:54:26 Maybe the openmoko theme Nov 20 13:54:35 that gets quite an amazing speedup Nov 20 13:54:46 mickeyl: There is no ATH sent.. Nov 20 13:55:00 How should I do that? Nov 20 13:55:00 Docs? Nov 20 13:55:19 look at line 151 for example Nov 20 13:55:37 not really Nov 20 13:55:39 alphaone: wondering that myself, ya. perhaps the other side hung up Nov 20 13:55:47 or the log is truncated Nov 20 13:55:48 Other side is an answering machine Nov 20 13:55:48 and the call was going on :D Nov 20 13:55:48 It hangs up after a while Nov 20 13:55:49 basic idea is using a script to init the system instead of a full-blown init system Nov 20 13:55:53 But I think he killed the gsm0710muxd himself Nov 20 13:55:54 I can call him, seems he's not answering Nov 20 13:55:56 aaah Nov 20 13:55:56 in that case Nov 20 13:55:56 it might have interfered Nov 20 13:56:00 I'll call him then Nov 20 13:56:18 Ainulindale, Nov 20 13:56:18 deluxe@deluxe-desktop:~/shr/shr-testing/shr-apps$ git push Nov 20 13:56:18 To git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr.git Nov 20 13:56:18 ! [rejected] master -> master (non-fast forward) Nov 20 13:56:18 error: failed to push some refs to 'git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr.git' Nov 20 13:56:43 ah, ok Nov 20 13:56:43 solved Nov 20 13:59:09 calling him Nov 20 13:59:13 hope he can answer :-p Nov 20 14:04:17 mickeyl: The ogsmd parser gets confused, it assigns the %CPI as an answer to the CSMS=1 Nov 20 14:04:35 alphaone: yes, I've seen that and made a note. it's harmless though Nov 20 14:04:43 well Nov 20 14:04:43 See http://pastebin.com/m71bddebe line 109ff Nov 20 14:04:45 not exactly harmless Nov 20 14:04:47 mickeyl: no, it's not Nov 20 14:04:53 call is never considered active Nov 20 14:05:17 by ogsmd, yes Nov 20 14:05:20 or something in the statemachine gets confused which is why CallRelease doesn't send ATH Nov 20 14:05:26 it's "harmless" wrt. release not coming Nov 20 14:05:31 _if_ the other side hangs up Nov 20 14:05:40 hmm Nov 20 14:05:42 oh _he_ did hang up? Nov 20 14:05:51 not enough information error :D Nov 20 14:05:53 I don't like your definition of harmless :-) Nov 20 14:06:19 mickeyl: There are numerous references of CallRelease in the log Nov 20 14:06:27 (local tries to kill the call) Nov 20 14:06:41 Which don't result in an ATH Nov 20 14:06:53 oops Nov 20 14:06:53 indeed Nov 20 14:06:57 so he tried to release Nov 20 14:07:27 * mickeyl knows the problem and is hesitating to accept it as a such since it means quite some work Nov 20 14:08:26 Ok Nov 20 14:08:26 I Called him Nov 20 14:08:26 I have the full info Nov 20 14:08:45 What's weird and keeps bugging me Nov 20 14:09:26 He didn't upgrade the gsm firmware Nov 20 14:09:35 (sorry my connection is borking again) Nov 20 14:09:56 mickeyl: Start using your Neo as day to day phone and your priorities will change Nov 20 14:10:08 He uses the same network I use Nov 20 14:10:08 He's calling the same number I call Nov 20 14:10:10 and he doesn't have CPI 9 Nov 20 14:10:19 His use c ase : Nov 20 14:10:25 Ainulindale: other network? Nov 20 14:10:27 Call 123 (answering machine) Nov 20 14:10:27 Listen for a while Nov 20 14:10:44 Use DTMF to send a command Nov 20 14:10:45 Then release Nov 20 14:10:45 Release won't do a thing (UI wise) Nov 20 14:10:49 So to me, this is a call release signal which is not sent Nov 20 14:11:06 Ainulindale: No, the call isn't even releases Nov 20 14:11:09 released Nov 20 14:11:11 Same network Nov 20 14:11:11 Same provider Nov 20 14:11:13 Same SIM Nov 20 14:11:20 Because it's never even considered active Nov 20 14:11:21 I'll try with my SIM in his phone if necessary Nov 20 14:11:23 Or the other way around Nov 20 14:11:27 But this sounds weird Nov 20 14:11:44 There are two different issues, one is the absence of CPI9 which will be fixed in a minute Nov 20 14:11:48 the call release command in the logs are a direct application of the button pushing in lfp-elementary Nov 20 14:11:49 alphaone: ok then Nov 20 14:11:56 alphaone: why wouldn't it send CPI 9 by the way? Nov 20 14:12:02 the other issue is 2008.11.20 02:35:37 ogsmd DEBUG : COMPLETED 'AT+CSMS=1' => ['%CPI: 1,6,0,1,0,0,"123",129,,,0', '+CSMS: 1,1,1', 'OK'] Nov 20 14:12:30 And mickeyl , alphaone is right Nov 20 14:12:37 You should use the neo on a day to day basis Nov 20 14:12:41 The %CPI being treated as a response to +CSMS and thus never being processed in the right parts Nov 20 14:12:46 It helps me a lot Nov 20 14:12:56 This is way I keep bugging quickdev about a bigger scrollbar in contacts Nov 20 14:13:08 alphaone: ok then Nov 20 14:13:16 quickdev: a way to d elete several messages in one go should be useful too Nov 20 14:13:35 quickdev: and I stumbled upon a problem in messages Nov 20 14:13:35 Just one time Nov 20 14:13:36 one after one :) Nov 20 14:13:36 The menu for delete and such wasn't there Nov 20 14:13:37 Ainulindale: CPI9 I don't have an idea except from the ME<->BS connection already setup so this step doesn't apply in this particular case Nov 20 14:13:50 I had to hit back, then show on inbox Nov 20 14:13:50 And it was there again Nov 20 14:14:18 alphaone: so it might be a BS speciic issue? Nov 20 14:14:20 +f Nov 20 14:15:04 Ainulindale: Network/provider, phase of moon, BS, my current mood, who knows... Nov 20 14:15:31 alphaone: same network and provider anyway Nov 20 14:15:43 mickeyl: interested in any doc about linuxrc Nov 20 14:15:44 Ainulindale: Same phase of moon? Nov 20 14:15:52 alphaone: he tired today and so did I :-) Nov 20 14:16:00 Ainulindale: And my mood can change rather quickly :-) Nov 20 14:16:00 s/tir/tri/ Nov 20 14:16:01 this connection is really annoying me Nov 20 14:16:15 alphaone: meh :-) Nov 20 14:17:28 Ainulindale: What connection? Nov 20 14:18:01 mine Nov 20 14:18:19 I'm remotely using my home computer Nov 20 14:18:35 and the modem keeps having micro cuts Nov 20 14:18:39 They have to replace it, but they didn't Nov 20 14:18:53 hmm, that sucks Nov 20 14:19:20 mickeyl: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/framework-milestones.tar.bz2 Nov 20 14:19:27 Hire? Nov 20 14:19:42 mickeyl: 1.9G though *cough* Nov 20 14:20:28 Ah, mickeyl, alphaone Nov 20 14:20:29 ptitjes: asked me to thanks you Nov 20 14:20:30 -s Nov 20 14:20:48 He's very happy with the way things are going Nov 20 14:20:54 quickdev: same for your lfp implementation Nov 20 14:20:56 Cool, glad to hear Nov 20 14:21:53 quickdev: the
issue was an elementary one? Nov 20 14:21:53 Or a more general? Nov 20 14:23:34 Ainulindale, kind of strange thing raster did: edje_object_part_text_set(wd->ent, "elm.text", "
"); Nov 20 14:23:42 but I made a workaround Nov 20 14:24:09 Ok, good then :-) Nov 20 14:24:10 Be sure to remember that to him Nov 20 14:24:10 It'll flatter his ego :-p Nov 20 14:24:21 Ainulindale, #90 and #97 fixed Nov 20 14:24:29 hrr Nov 20 14:24:29 Saw the mails, good :-) Nov 20 14:24:30 90 being \n? Nov 20 14:24:34 yes Nov 20 14:24:36 Niiice Nov 20 14:24:36 ehm.. Nov 20 14:24:36
? Nov 20 14:24:40 Will upgrade immediately then Nov 20 14:24:40 What? Nov 20 14:24:43 what \n thing? Nov 20 14:25:09 I fixed
and multiple contacts insertion Nov 20 14:25:09 The fact that the \n aren't interpreted as new lines Nov 20 14:25:18 Oh that one Nov 20 14:25:18 quickdev: be sure to warn about full sim too Nov 20 14:25:52 Here I have the case Nov 20 14:26:01 Ainulindale, full sim is already implemented? Nov 20 14:26:01 ah..contacts full sim Nov 20 14:26:02 yep Nov 20 14:26:03 phonebook wise Nov 20 14:26:21 add a ticket ;) Nov 20 14:26:30 Don't be a pain or I'll kick your ass Nov 20 14:26:51 or wait ;) Nov 20 14:27:06 Ainulindale: how do you mean? Does it work this way: the oldest get removed for the newest to come in? Nov 20 14:27:24 dolf1074: what for? Nov 20 14:27:28 Contacts? Nov 20 14:28:03 Ainulindale: sorry, contact (damn, I should better sleep some more) Nov 20 14:28:03 quickdev: and you shouldn't use a persistent window for the full warning Nov 20 14:28:12 quickdev: you should use something similar to libnotify Nov 20 14:28:12 Ainulindale: ignore me ;) Nov 20 14:28:21 quickdev: I think there's an example in battery Nov 20 14:28:37 dolf1074: it's just that if the sim is full and you try to add a contact, it'll crash Nov 20 14:28:38 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r7a9136b5842a 10/fsod/m4/python.m4: Add --with-python-include option Nov 20 14:29:11 Ainulindale: yeah, but I thought you were busy about the inbox of sms :s Nov 20 14:29:13 Ainulindale, a message will appear if contacts is launched or a contact stored. Nov 20 14:29:32 quickdev: you might want to modify this logic Nov 20 14:29:47 quickdev: messages should appear only while trying to add a contact Nov 20 14:30:09 If you do that on contacts start, it'll generate overhead and annoying whining from the user Nov 20 14:30:09 I can hear them from here Nov 20 14:30:10 yeah, right Nov 20 14:30:13 indead Nov 20 14:32:24 dolf1074: I'm eager to see your UI modifications Nov 20 14:32:43 I yearn for a slider of some sort for volume Nov 20 14:32:53 (and a bigger scrollbar in contacts :-p) Nov 20 14:33:05 UI modifications of messages? Nov 20 14:33:32 Overall UI modification Nov 20 14:34:02 Ainulindale: unlucky, I still have to learn edje ;) Nov 20 14:34:21 That's not that hard Nov 20 14:34:24 I know ;) Nov 20 14:34:46 Even quickdev managed to find his way through Nov 20 14:34:46 And he's german Nov 20 14:34:51 That's 'nuff said Nov 20 14:34:51 I'm testing it on shr-settings :) Nov 20 14:35:40 Ainulindale, take care! Nov 20 14:35:42 btw is Hire still busy with making my mockups of dialer reality? Nov 20 14:36:40 quickdev: take care of what? :-) Nov 20 14:36:41 dolf1074: no idea Nov 20 14:38:05 Once the dust of MS1 settled, I'll put up some sort of organization there Nov 20 14:38:06 We need to do formal "meetings" Nov 20 14:38:15 Just to brainstorm for a while Nov 20 14:38:15 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * rf2d8daeea973 10framework/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Nov 20 14:38:15 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Make CPI handling more robust Nov 20 14:38:15 freesmartphone.org: Sometimes for a MO call we don't get %CPI with message type 9, but only Nov 20 14:38:15 freesmartphone.org: with message type 3. This patch adds the direction attribute to all CPI Nov 20 14:38:15 freesmartphone.org: signals and also listens to message type 3. Nov 20 14:38:17 And stop me from bothering quickdev for UI stuff :-) Nov 20 14:38:29 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r8590d6c6bb68 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' Nov 20 14:38:41 Ainulindale: There it is Nov 20 14:38:52 Ainulindale, let's meet in germany then Nov 20 14:39:31 How much work is there till MS1? Or what do you think should be part of MS1? Nov 20 14:39:50 quickdev: first meeting by IRC will be good enough for a starter :-) Nov 20 14:40:13 Ainulindale: Nah, come to germany :-) Nov 20 14:40:17 dolf1074: we need to fix some tickets Nov 20 14:40:17 and some issues related to frameworkd Nov 20 14:40:21 Ainulindale: We even have baguettes here Nov 20 14:41:11 yeah, unfortunately Nov 20 14:41:57 I think, we should have a ui rework / good phone capacities / ultimate settings app Nov 20 14:41:57 alphaone: lol Nov 20 14:41:58 dolf1074: I agree with you Nov 20 14:41:58 Part of that is desrcribed on the trac Nov 20 14:43:33 mickeyl, shoragan: BTW, the mails are now flowing, aren't they? Nov 20 14:43:36 (trac) Nov 20 14:44:27 alphaone, i switched my trac address to my usual oen Nov 20 14:45:05 shoragan: thanks again for stepping me out of some basic python issues Nov 20 14:45:40 It's the same thing, each time, with new languages, can't find how to say this or that :-) Nov 20 14:45:45 Though helping in this kind of case is ungrateful Nov 20 14:46:13 shoragan: Okay, should work now regardless Nov 20 14:46:38 shoragan: You should have received quite some on your om account that were hanging in there for daye Nov 20 14:46:45 Ainulindale, no problem :) Nov 20 14:47:19 Ainulindale, Created commit e891261: The case, when the contact storage is full, is now covered. Nov 20 14:48:07 quickdev: yay Nov 20 14:48:19 you're officially better than zhone now :-) Nov 20 14:48:23 quickdev: nice :-) Nov 20 14:48:26 haven't tested it yet Nov 20 14:48:39 Ainulindale, could you please test it? Nov 20 14:48:43 still better than zhone :-) Nov 20 14:48:44 the new ui? Nov 20 14:49:18 somebody shot a vid of it yet? Nov 20 14:49:26 quickdev: I will Nov 20 14:49:28 dcordes: no camera :-) Nov 20 14:49:38 :( Nov 20 14:49:57 if only X would run on the msm fb Nov 20 14:49:59 What I was wondering... has anyone been testing frameworkd-devel (master) lately? Nov 20 14:50:30 Nope, but I should build it locally Nov 20 14:50:31 in the linuxtogo git? Nov 20 14:53:39 quickdev: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/2145519.txt Nov 20 14:53:40 Same for phonegui Nov 20 14:53:49 What's this mess Nov 20 14:55:18 Ainulindale, I had that locally when settung up things to use local sources Nov 20 14:55:18 fixed it by: Nov 20 14:55:19 #S = "${WORKDIR}/git/${PN}" Nov 20 14:55:19 S = "${WORKDIR}/${PN}" Nov 20 14:55:25 you should clear / mrproper Nov 20 14:55:49 because git was not used yet on the buildhost for that Nov 20 14:55:59 I know that error from somewhere. (ow yes, I had it also :) ) Nov 20 14:56:10 Err Nov 20 14:56:22 It's git, quickdev Nov 20 14:57:00 alphaone, there's a serious bug :) With profile = silent I got a SMS while being at school. And imagine what happened? :) Nov 20 14:57:00 I already cleaned everything Nov 20 14:57:10 Ainulindale, I don't know then Nov 20 14:57:31 a blush on you cheeks? Nov 20 14:57:31 *your Nov 20 14:57:36 I even removed the old ipk, the old stamps, the old work dir Nov 20 14:57:50 (there still was some svn ipk) Nov 20 14:57:53 quickdev: I always tell people that this is open source and I'd have to recompile everything if I want to make the phone silent so I don't bother :-) Nov 20 14:58:20 quickdev: patches to the silent profile very welcome Nov 20 14:59:01 alphaone, what's exaclty the problem? It works for calls btw :) Nov 20 14:59:14 Well u Nov 20 14:59:14 * quickdev closed ticket #79 Nov 20 14:59:15 quickdev: anyway Nov 20 14:59:32 The sound profiling is crappy Nov 20 14:59:33 Having a ring-tone-volume attribute is dumb to me Nov 20 14:59:39 This doesn't even tell which volume you should set Nov 20 15:00:04 I whined a lot about that, but still :-) Nov 20 15:00:22 I can't use it as a daily phone if message ring tones are playing while the teacher calls for calmness ;) Nov 20 15:00:32 Ainulindale, could you provide a patch for it? it's quite important Nov 20 15:00:32 quickdev: though the message ringtone is more soothing than the call one Nov 20 15:00:39 quickdev: I think /etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/conf/phone/silent.yaml is missing message-volume:0 Nov 20 15:00:48 I'll look into that, indeed Nov 20 15:00:48 yeah, it is Nov 20 15:01:30 alphaone, is it that easy? :) Nov 20 15:01:40 (yes) Nov 20 15:01:52 alphaone, could you please add that to git? Nov 20 15:02:15 Don't you think he's already doing it? :-) Nov 20 15:02:35 (instead of studying) Nov 20 15:02:35 (what a lazy ass) Nov 20 15:02:45 Well, anyway Nov 20 15:02:46 We should find a way to prevent unecessary packing for our bitbake recipes Nov 20 15:02:55 This bugs me Nov 20 15:03:13 that means? Nov 20 15:03:17 quickdev: if you unpack ophonekitd Nov 20 15:03:27 quickdev: could you test it? :-) Nov 20 15:03:34 it unpacks the whole tree Nov 20 15:03:35 Unecessary operations, unecessary space Nov 20 15:03:35 Unecessary packing Nov 20 15:03:37 yeah..that's because of the GIT option we use Nov 20 15:03:37 How can you debug shr-settings? I know python gives a fault message, but it doesn't print it in my console Nov 20 15:03:40 But it couldn't hurt.. Nov 20 15:03:42 dolf1074: you can remotely attach to it using pydev or something like that IIRC Nov 20 15:04:14 quickdev: if you have a better idea I'm all ears Nov 20 15:04:19 ok Nov 20 15:05:16 dolf1074, what kind of error? segfault? :) Nov 20 15:05:20 Ainulindale, better idea...towards what? Nov 20 15:05:21 quickdev: for the git settings Nov 20 15:05:26 Don't know, the shr-settings is jus not starting Nov 20 15:05:37 we could seperate the repositories Nov 20 15:05:38 Anything else? :-p) Nov 20 15:05:45 I'll do that in the end, but now isn't the time Nov 20 15:05:53 I know on which line it stops. (because it is the only line I've introduced) Nov 20 15:06:00 but I can't figure out why Nov 20 15:06:00 have a look on the net...there was a ticket system where a discussion about it was raised Nov 20 15:06:31 Ok I'll check Nov 20 15:06:36 dolf1074, shr setting uses fork things? exposure running? there's a fork = X variable..try changing that maybe Nov 20 15:07:12 I found already why. These line was standing in the file: ## redirect stdin, stdout and stderr to /dev/null Nov 20 15:08:06 So now I will get the error messages :) Nov 20 15:08:06 Ainulindale, dolf1074, what about this option: "Time to dim before suspend" Nov 20 15:08:11 I really like the display to stay bright while navigating Nov 20 15:09:24 alphaone, Nov 20 15:09:24 # Those values are just here to test the preferences service, Nov 20 15:09:24 # They are not actually used yet Nov 20 15:09:24 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r62b135430eb6 10/etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/conf/phone/silent.yaml: preferences: Make message tone silent as well in silent profile Nov 20 15:09:24 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * ra64061f7d82f 10/etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/conf/phone/silent.yaml: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' Nov 20 15:09:25 alphaone, , message-volume: 0 does not work Nov 20 15:09:25 that's an option that has to be in the shr-settings ;) (Time to dim) Nov 20 15:09:44 dolf1074, I'm asking about that... Ainulindale ? Nov 20 15:10:07 yeah, but it should be surely be inserted Nov 20 15:10:38 quickdev: too late Nov 20 15:10:41 are you sure? Nov 20 15:10:44 that's strange Nov 20 15:11:27 quickdev: self.audio_action = AudioAction(sound_path) if volume != 0 else None Nov 20 15:14:12 alphaone, are the .yaml files cached somewhere? I restarted frameworkd. Nov 20 15:14:12 Will restart my neo Nov 20 15:14:12 Here again Nov 20 15:14:28 quickdev: oh, no idea... Nov 20 15:14:32 charlie would know Nov 20 15:14:48 quickdev: maybe stop, change, start? Nov 20 15:16:56 don't know..have to do other things now, sorry - maybe test it yourself :) Nov 20 15:18:57 quickdev: regarding the time to dim Nov 20 15:18:59 there's a conflict there Nov 20 15:19:03 it's managed by frameworkd AND illume Nov 20 15:19:17 there's currently no way to set that using shr-settings but I could do that Nov 20 15:19:59 Ainulindale, illume is adjusting dim_time in frameworkd? Nov 20 15:20:00 no Nov 20 15:20:04 It should Nov 20 15:20:04 But it doesn't Nov 20 15:21:07 quickdev: it somehow doesn'T parse that file.. Nov 20 15:21:09 >>> phoneservice.GetValue('message-volume') Nov 20 15:21:09 10 Nov 20 15:21:33 fix it :) Nov 20 15:21:54 but ring-volume is parsed? Nov 20 15:22:10 alphaone: I could look into that if you want Nov 20 15:22:24 I already had a look at oeventsd Nov 20 15:22:27 quickdev: well, I'm not sure if it is parsed at that moment Nov 20 15:22:34 Ainulindale: That would be great Nov 20 15:22:42 Ok then I'll do that Nov 20 15:22:52 For now I have to help a colleague to setup openvpn Nov 20 15:22:54 See you in ten minutes Nov 20 15:23:14 those french people...stealing work from germany guys Nov 20 15:23:55 Ainulindale, quickdev: Seems it is cached somewhere Nov 20 15:24:16 quickdev: Try http://pastebin.com/m6e2ac08a Nov 20 15:24:19 with cli-framework Nov 20 15:30:20 alphaone, could you send me a message? My home phone is out of battery, argh :) Nov 20 15:34:13 quickdev: will test your contacts fix now Nov 20 15:34:32 alphaone, ok..done Nov 20 15:35:36 quickdev: didn't send you a thing :-) Nov 20 15:35:45 works here btw Nov 20 15:36:00 I assume that on new installs it will work as well Nov 20 15:36:13 maybe you need to explicitly switch profiles once Nov 20 15:36:36 it's working here, too Nov 20 15:36:37 vibrating would be fine Nov 20 15:37:11 nice, contacts froze Nov 20 15:37:13 anyway...does profile switching via dbus work? Nov 20 15:37:30 Ainulindale, any log messages? Nov 20 15:37:45 not a single one Nov 20 15:37:52 And ophonekitd won't be killed Nov 20 15:38:15 have you run it from terminal? Nov 20 15:38:24 nein Nov 20 15:38:33 dann mach das gefälligst! Nov 20 15:38:49 Your ass smells too Nov 20 15:39:04 (worth a shot) Nov 20 15:39:39 quickdev: doing it now Nov 20 15:39:52 Now it works, so well Nov 20 15:40:12 Ainulindale, does your company pay you for speaking? You should code..hehe Nov 20 15:40:21 I'm not a developer Nov 20 15:40:48 we should send your company a "thank card"..for contributing to SHR, hrr Nov 20 15:41:01 heh :-) Nov 20 15:41:25 Ainulindale, it's working? Nov 20 15:41:26 seems it is Nov 20 15:41:29 the "full contact storage" thing? Nov 20 15:41:30 Though before it was preventing me from adding a contact Nov 20 15:41:33 Now it just lets me add it Nov 20 15:41:55 And I won't add 50+ contacts to test the full dialog message :-p Nov 20 15:42:17 I thought your card is full? Nov 20 15:43:40 That's what frameworkd told me before Nov 20 15:43:42 Now it doesn't anymore Nov 20 15:44:17 hm..ok..so no problems so far Nov 20 15:44:17 Yep Nov 20 15:44:30 Though the scrollbar is tiny Nov 20 15:44:30 :-p Nov 20 15:45:50 first thing I'll do now is testing dbus tcp connections Nov 20 15:46:07 but I have to think about the gsmmuxd problem..hm Nov 20 15:47:35 afk Nov 20 15:49:43 alphaone: so, the rules for message volume aren't parsed? Nov 20 15:50:10 mickeyl, Ainulindale, quickdev, shoragan, stefan_schmidt: When was the last time you tested frameworkd-devel? Nov 20 15:50:17 Ainulindale: they are Nov 20 15:50:22 Ainulindale: I believe Nov 20 15:50:26 * mwester finally gets his lazy self out of bed, and wanders into his office to see what's happening in the world today... Nov 20 15:50:33 Ainulindale: You need to explicitly switch profiles Nov 20 15:51:00 alphaone: yesterday, although i was only working on the resource stuff Nov 20 15:51:05 is it broken? Nov 20 15:51:09 morning mwester Nov 20 15:51:18 mickeyl: cool Nov 20 15:51:48 So, bluetooth is totally completely thoroughly borked in Fedora 9, and I suspect in most of the very recent gnome desktops... what a waste of time! Nov 20 15:51:53 mickeyl: no, but in one of my last commits on master something crept in and I wasn't sure if that broke frameworkd or not Nov 20 15:52:15 mickeyl: Maybe SMS is broken there Nov 20 15:52:23 But need not worry Nov 20 15:52:30 * alphaone to the rescue Nov 20 15:53:14 * mwester does an opkg update; opkg upgrade Nov 20 15:53:36 mwester: your bug got fixed Nov 20 15:53:45 oooh! Nov 20 15:53:45 hopefully, hehe Nov 20 15:54:01 I can use the phone then! Cool. BTW, tangoGPS is rather cool. Nov 20 15:54:47 * quickdev goes and buys some german beer Nov 20 15:57:34 I think I already told somebody, but I still have the 'echo' bug on my updated SHR. Is that normal? Nov 20 15:58:24 quickdev, drink a tsing tao Nov 20 15:58:45 btw.....a prepaid balance module for illume is needed :) Nov 20 15:58:55 afk ;) Nov 20 16:05:01 going to party tonight. bye bye Nov 20 16:05:09 Haha, some fun here Nov 20 16:05:09 Someone got caught downloading files Nov 20 16:05:14 It was borking the network Nov 20 16:05:14 (company network) Nov 20 16:09:21 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r006933472f5f 10/fsod/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Add info plugin implementing org.freesmartphone.Device.Info interface (Requires vala 0.5.1 now and mention that in README) Nov 20 16:09:41 Ainulindale, more fun in place if its pr0n ;O Nov 20 16:10:02 It may be Nov 20 16:10:05 I don't know what it is Nov 20 16:10:30 lol Nov 20 16:17:23 4 tickets closed :) Nov 20 16:18:46 i want opimd Nov 20 16:19:17 You won't have it for a while Nov 20 16:19:48 :\ Nov 20 16:19:55 Hire, you are asking it the wrong way..:P Nov 20 16:20:10 the correct way would be "CAN I HAS OPIMD" / Nov 20 16:20:11 heh :-) Nov 20 16:20:27 has? are you sure? :o Nov 20 16:21:04 Hire: Visit the lol-cats :) Nov 20 16:22:05 i know it :) Nov 20 16:22:40 i wonder if FSO would support LOLCODE bindings in the near future Nov 20 16:23:36 Sup3rkiddo: that's a great idea for oeventsd => vala migration Nov 20 16:23:44 lol Nov 20 16:23:52 Sup3rkiddo: And if I help you with that I do hope we'll do that Nov 20 16:24:40 Sup3rkiddo: and any way, "CAN I HAZ EVENTS" sounds like a good default error message Nov 20 16:24:42 :D, CAN_I_HAS (DA_GPS_RESOURCE) Nov 20 16:24:59 TEH_GPS_RESOURCE Nov 20 16:24:59 Please mind your naming conventions Nov 20 16:24:59 doh! Nov 20 16:25:07 yeah Nov 20 16:25:38 of course K_THK_BYE Nov 20 16:25:38 And instead of VibratorAction, SHAKE_YER_BOOTY Nov 20 16:25:43 ROFL Nov 20 16:25:59 Sounds like a great improvement over the existing one :-) Nov 20 16:26:01 yeah very descriptive Nov 20 16:26:08 the code will be self explanatory and no more separate API docs Nov 20 16:26:20 Who the hell uses docs anyway? Nov 20 16:26:29 mickeyl: cool name for ms4.1 :-) Nov 20 16:26:39 http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/11/20/128716720763205644.jpg Nov 20 16:26:39 mickeyl: can I haz docs? Nov 20 16:26:45 I thought about that as well :-) Nov 20 16:26:51 et voilà Nov 20 16:27:11 alphaone: what's the name? Nov 20 16:27:19 Hire: haha Nov 20 16:27:20 Hire, rofl!!!!! Nov 20 16:27:20 Ainulindale: More homework :-) Nov 20 16:27:20 heh Nov 20 16:27:22 we should send a copy to abraxa_ as well Nov 20 16:27:37 Yes we should Nov 20 16:27:45 mickeyl: when you'll be available enough, if you can just tell me which way I could start looking for linuxrc Nov 20 16:27:57 I'm quite interested in speeding up things Nov 20 16:28:15 And removing useless stuff from the image Nov 20 16:28:45 start with http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/myroot/werner.init Nov 20 16:28:49 maybe someone should add it to /topic...oh well Nov 20 16:29:10 mickeyl: Sheesh, that's minimal Nov 20 16:29:18 indeed Nov 20 16:29:18 needs a bit more tweaking Nov 20 16:29:26 but then it should be enough to crank dbus and X up Nov 20 16:29:27 rest should launch on-demand Nov 20 16:29:37 I can't see X there Nov 20 16:29:54 I guess that's to add Nov 20 16:29:54 ya Nov 20 16:30:16 Even though it looks as a nice project, I don't think this is the priority for me right now Nov 20 16:31:43 Ainulindale, yes Nov 20 16:31:43 I think so, too :) Nov 20 16:31:57 what do i have to do, to get gps to work with shr? Nov 20 16:32:02 Launch a GPS app? Nov 20 16:32:08 i dont get a fix Nov 20 16:32:40 Which app are you using? Nov 20 16:32:40 tangogps Nov 20 16:32:46 can you tail /tmp/frameworkd.log and tell me if you see NMEA things? Nov 20 16:32:48 I remember one image where gps did not work Nov 20 16:33:29 quickdev: by the way Nov 20 16:33:29 in ~ on the buildhost Nov 20 16:33:34 I created a file package_something_something Nov 20 16:33:45 To list which packages we should recompile even though we don't put them in our image Nov 20 16:33:47 I don't know how to do that properly, but that's a start Nov 20 16:34:12 I could put it in DEPENDS and not RDEPENDS, though Nov 20 16:34:23 I think that would work Nov 20 16:34:32 yeah Nov 20 16:34:32 I'm off now Nov 20 16:34:36 have a good evening guys Nov 20 16:34:36 Good day to you young man Nov 20 16:34:58 stefan_schmidt: if you have an opinion about that (compiling packages not included in an image), I'm interested in that Nov 20 16:35:13 Ainulindale: no, no gps logs in there Nov 20 16:36:52 weird mokel :) Nov 20 16:36:57 let me see... Nov 20 16:37:01 mokel: did you opkg update/upgrade? Nov 20 16:37:04 what do you get with a cat /dev/ttySAC2? Nov 20 16:37:34 mokel: is that a gta01 or 02? Nov 20 16:37:45 02 Nov 20 16:37:58 nothing in ttySAC2 Nov 20 16:38:14 mokel: Can you pastebin your /etc/frameworkd.conf Nov 20 16:38:54 mrmoku: niiiiice (wrt your answer on shr-devel) Nov 20 16:38:56 and opkg info frameworkd Nov 20 16:39:41 Glad to hear that :-) Nov 20 16:39:41 :) Nov 20 16:39:51 http://pastebin.com/m29d5c52d Nov 20 16:40:11 alphaone: by the way Nov 20 16:40:13 Is there a way, right now, to supersede frameworkd-config? Nov 20 16:40:26 I.e. having a frameworkd-config-shr which would provide frameworkd-config Nov 20 16:40:31 (for default features inclusion) Nov 20 16:40:57 Ainulindale: Maybe add replaces? Nov 20 16:41:03 otherwise I don't know Nov 20 16:41:27 alphaone: what I'd like is to have a PROVIDE="frameworkd-config " Nov 20 16:41:34 If you see what I mean Nov 20 16:41:37 mokel: can you add log_level = DEBUG to [ogpsd] section and restart, retry, post log? Nov 20 16:41:52 If I don't, opkg update/upgrade are cumbersome Nov 20 16:41:52 alphaone: yes, but i try upgrading first Nov 20 16:41:57 Ainulindale: yeah, though I'm not sure how the semantics are there Nov 20 16:42:11 mokel: okay Nov 20 16:42:13 alphaone: and did you talk with mickeyl about frameworkd restarting while there's an active gsm0710muxd? Nov 20 16:42:22 Ainulindale: ? Nov 20 16:42:34 Let me explain my point :-) Nov 20 16:42:40 If I opkg update upgrade Nov 20 16:42:40 And if there's a frameworkd update Nov 20 16:42:46 frameworkd will restart Nov 20 16:42:52 ophonekitd handles the loss of the dbus connection Nov 20 16:43:01 but it doesn't handle the loss of the resource Nov 20 16:43:04 ah, right Nov 20 16:43:14 I tried to have a look a bit on how to manage that Nov 20 16:43:15 I could rerequest the resource Nov 20 16:43:29 Well, I didn't exactly do that, though I created http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/249 Nov 20 16:43:31 But I think it would be wiser if frameworkd was able to "reconnect" Nov 20 16:44:04 That is somewhat extremist :-) Nov 20 16:44:06 Why not writing on /tmp the current state? Nov 20 16:44:13 I don't think "reconnect" will be doable Nov 20 16:44:17 Or launching a subprocess to handle warm start? Nov 20 16:44:17 another question, any one knows how to send a sms vie dbus in c? Nov 20 16:44:18 Ainulindale: Packages in in the image but nice to have? Nov 20 16:44:23 stefan_schmidt: yep Nov 20 16:44:36 If I want to recompile regularly a package Nov 20 16:44:36 i dont geht the last argument Nov 20 16:44:37 If it's not on any kind of image Nov 20 16:44:40 Ainulindale: Have a shr feed bb and build that? Nov 20 16:44:40 Ainulindale: That's like having a module to upgrade your running kernel Nov 20 16:44:50 Ainulindale: That's how we do it in OM Nov 20 16:44:52 stefan_schmidt: what do you mean, in this context, by feed? Nov 20 16:44:54 It will have to know both start and final version Nov 20 16:45:13 Ainulindale: One bb file listing all these packages Nov 20 16:45:18 Ainulindale: There Nov 20 16:45:21 Ainulindale: That way you only build one file Nov 20 16:45:34 alphaone: if the primitives stay the same, it wouldn't be that difficult Nov 20 16:45:36 stefan_schmidt: wouldn't it be cleaner to put them as DEPENDS of the image? Nov 20 16:45:39 Ainulindale: And feed is where there package will be installed from Nov 20 16:45:46 Ainulindale: If you follow that path you will get into race condition hell Nov 20 16:46:03 I would say if you upgrade frameworkd you should reboot the modem Nov 20 16:46:05 alphaone: care to explain that? :-) Nov 20 16:46:09 Ainulindale: err, I thought you don't want to have them in the image but only in the feed Nov 20 16:46:27 alphaone: if you feel like it, that's fine to me, just trying to figure out a way to do that properly :-) Nov 20 16:46:35 Ainulindale: save state, write state, incoming call, launch new version Nov 20 16:46:39 mokel: try using libframeworkd-glib Nov 20 16:46:49 stefan_schmidt: Yeah but they wouldn't be included, being DEPENDS, no? Nov 20 16:46:50 unless you want to go really deep and do it with libdbus Nov 20 16:46:58 RDEPENDS would be, but not DEPENDS Nov 20 16:47:00 Ainulindale: What if something external happens to the modem while we're in the transition? Nov 20 16:47:15 alphaone: Then you weep & cry Nov 20 16:47:19 I see your point : -) Nov 20 16:47:30 Ainulindale: No, but you would build them when only building the image. IMHO these are two different tasks. image and feed Nov 20 16:47:30 Just thought it was worth asking Nov 20 16:47:57 Ainulindale: Would be cool, I agree :-) Nov 20 16:48:00 stefan_schmidt: but all we do (now) is build the image Nov 20 16:48:25 And I'll high-five you even if you just make it work for upgrading from one specific version to another one. Nov 20 16:48:29 Ainulindale: And if you want to have more packages in the feed, build it. Sounds like a sane approach to me. :) Nov 20 16:48:36 stefan_schmidt: Just trying to see if there was a more cleaner way in fact Nov 20 16:48:46 But I don't think it's feasible in general Nov 20 16:48:51 But as I want to offer to the users the same thing we have... Nov 20 16:49:04 alphaone: Agreed, agreed Nov 20 16:49:18 So I'll handle the resource re-request Nov 20 16:49:19 Ainulindale: I never thought about DEPENDing on them in the image. I always thought in terms of feed and image. Perhaps worth more thinking Nov 20 16:49:38 stefan_schmidt: problem is, it'll take time to generate the first image indeed Nov 20 16:49:48 Ainulindale: yeah, exactly Nov 20 16:50:12 Well anyway Nov 20 16:50:12 This doesn't solve my main question Nov 20 16:50:21 and as mickeyl is alive and kicking (sic') Nov 20 16:50:30 Would it be possible to have a PROVIDE="frameworkd-config"? Nov 20 16:50:56 (To supersede the default configuration file based on the distro, for instance) Nov 20 16:51:18 (I'm asking a lot of questions here, because most of the tickets out there are quickdev's) Nov 20 16:53:00 alphaone: restarting framework is enough? Nov 20 16:53:13 after set log to debug? Nov 20 16:53:24 Oooo! Ooooo! Ooooo!!! So THAT'S what's supposed to happen when a call is active! :D :D Wheee!! Nov 20 16:53:39 mwester: :-) Nov 20 16:53:40 hehe Nov 20 16:53:42 cool Nov 20 16:53:53 * mwester fires up GPS too Nov 20 16:54:10 Can I haz a Bluetoof? Nov 20 16:54:26 mwester: Manually you can Nov 20 16:55:20 :) Ahhh... this feels just, so, so "right". An open, hackable phone. Nov 20 16:55:38 mwester: you can send us your check later on Nov 20 16:55:38 Now I need Perl on it, and I'll be in heaven. Nov 20 16:55:39 mwester: though cash will be better Nov 20 16:55:40 mwester: Cool to hear you're upbeat :-) Nov 20 16:55:50 mwester: bitbake perl going on Nov 20 16:56:16 (the wonderful effect of screen on my productivity) Nov 20 16:56:16 see alphaone Nov 20 16:56:25 that's why irssi is better Nov 20 16:56:47 Ainulindale: I'm also using claws-mail instead of mutt... Nov 20 16:56:56 * mwester really really likes the GTA01. Nov 20 16:56:58 alphaone: I'm not using mutt Nov 20 16:57:10 alphaone: I'm using gmail Nov 20 16:57:12 Just because it allows me to be on jabber and such Nov 20 16:57:24 Ainulindale: Though I'm using my teminal for almost anything else Nov 20 16:57:32 (and because centerim is awful) Nov 20 16:57:32 Ainulindale: pfft Nov 20 16:57:57 How's that better than me using xchat.... Nov 20 16:57:58 Help ! Help ! Someone broke alphaone ! He's puffing ! Nov 20 16:58:03 Ainulindale: what's you jid? Nov 20 16:58:09 my mail Nov 20 16:58:12 I chose the original path Nov 20 16:59:01 I was up until 2AM trying to recover my Fedora laptop -- but they have so badly broken bluetooth in the latest versions, that not only can my neo no longer connect to the bluetooth network, not even my bluetooth keyboard and mouse work on the laptop. :( Nov 20 16:59:16 So I think I'll work on the bluetooth headset support for the neo. Nov 20 16:59:34 In perl. :p Nov 20 17:00:13 mwester: if you are able to wait for a minute or so it'll get compiled Nov 20 17:00:51 I was gonna just fetch it from the FSO feeds or the Angstrom feeds, actually -- but if you're serious that it's being built, that's even better! Nov 20 17:01:29 I am Nov 20 17:01:30 Installing in fact Nov 20 17:02:12 That's cool... in fact, I'm so happy this morning, that I think I'll even forgive the French for foisting the worlds biggest practical joke on us all. Nov 20 17:02:21 Which joke? :-) Nov 20 17:02:34 "Get rid of your bush"? Nov 20 17:02:42 Making us all eat snails. Nov 20 17:02:42 Heh :-) Nov 20 17:02:43 Snails are good in fact Nov 20 17:02:52 I was a bit afraid at first Nov 20 17:02:53 But I ate some recently Nov 20 17:02:58 It's not that awful Nov 20 17:03:09 I tried it once. Like garlicky pencil erasers. Nov 20 17:03:18 Yeah a bit like that Nov 20 17:03:19 But I like garlic Nov 20 17:03:29 I like it too much, per my girlfriend Nov 20 17:03:54 garlic, or girlfriend... hmmmm...... Nov 20 17:05:04 That's why I like libanese food so much Nov 20 17:05:42 Yep, that's good stuff. Nov 20 17:06:12 mwester: bitbake package-index in a minute Nov 20 17:06:24 it's rm_work'ing Nov 20 17:07:42 mwester: here it is Nov 20 17:08:00 opkg update! Nov 20 17:08:41 Well now my needs are decreasing with my gta Nov 20 17:08:41 (useless bleeding "Signature check failed" messages) We should "fix" that... Nov 20 17:08:41 I need pim Nov 20 17:08:46 and I need this freaking buzz fix Nov 20 17:09:02 I think I'm going to subdue DocScrutinizer2 Nov 20 17:09:11 Send him cartons of cigarettes or something like that Nov 20 17:09:16 Or home strippers Nov 20 17:09:17 or both Nov 20 17:09:18 Good idea Nov 20 17:09:24 But I like to keep a backup plan Nov 20 17:09:37 smoking strippers? Nov 20 17:10:01 :-) Nov 20 17:10:01 how about smoking hot strippers Nov 20 17:10:03 as a backup plan Nov 20 17:10:11 Kensan_: I have a business plan for that Nov 20 17:10:12 Pizza Hot Nov 20 17:10:12 One pizza, one stripper Nov 20 17:10:22 There's also Pizza Pute, which only works in french though Nov 20 17:10:26 (pute = prostitute) Nov 20 17:10:58 One of my ex-coworkers had a plan to open a brothel/gas station in Las Vegas: Hump-n-Pump. Nov 20 17:11:03 okay, I'm off now Nov 20 17:11:07 bye guys Nov 20 17:11:31 mwester: hahaha Nov 20 17:11:31 nice one :-) Nov 20 17:11:44 alphaone: see you later Nov 20 17:39:13 dum de dum Nov 20 17:51:53 sicu: hey Nov 20 17:51:53 mickey|sports is very interested in your theme Nov 20 17:54:04 is there any way to test 3G, UMTS on the FR? I have a 3G sim card, and running fso-testing? Nov 20 17:54:24 I am able to use the SIM card with umtsmon on Debian Lenny on the laptop Nov 20 17:55:12 Ainulindale: hey =] Nov 20 17:56:41 Ainulindale: cool, i will finish it as soon as I have some spare time =] work is crazy atm =/ Nov 20 17:57:42 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r07271deab115 10/fsod/src/ (main.vala subsystems/Device/power/power.vala): Nov 20 17:57:42 freesmartphone.org: Power plugin: Nov 20 17:57:42 freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add IsPresent Nov 20 17:57:42 freesmartphone.org: 2.) Add GetInfo which returns a dictionary of power information. Earlier these were scattered as separate methods Nov 20 17:58:49 noooooooo Nov 20 17:58:49 my fr is died Nov 20 17:59:44 dead battery? Nov 20 17:59:54 git a neo instead Nov 20 18:00:15 I simple restarted X Nov 20 18:00:20 and... boom! bsod Nov 20 18:00:36 i am testing my new thteme :/ Nov 20 18:00:57 that's an added feature, to bring forth sentimental memories =p Nov 20 18:01:10 Hire, you managed to put windows in your FR :O ? Nov 20 18:01:43 no... and this is a bit weird :( Nov 20 18:08:41 Hire: that may be due to frameworkd Nov 20 18:14:55 Ainulindale: how is linuxrc supposed to be started? As replacement for /sbin/init? Nov 20 18:20:06 mrmoku: initramfs? Nov 20 18:23:07 lindi-: what would this mean? Maybe I'm missing something, but than we would need an initrd image on flash? Nov 20 18:23:44 I don't have the slightest idea mrmoku :-) Nov 20 18:23:44 Seemed like a cool project though Nov 20 18:25:00 My googling so fare makes me thing there are three options Nov 20 18:25:15 a) initial ramdisk Nov 20 18:25:26 b) kernel commandline parameter Nov 20 18:25:27 c) replace /sbin/init Nov 20 18:25:51 everyone of those three has some disadvantage :) Nov 20 18:27:40 And that is? Nov 20 18:28:04 mrmoku: what are you trying to do? Nov 20 18:28:17 Kensan: use linuxrc to boot SHR Nov 20 18:28:44 Well I have to go home Nov 20 18:28:49 See you in an hour or so Nov 20 18:28:49 b) has the disadvantage that you would have to change u-boot environment Nov 20 18:29:07 Ah Nov 20 18:29:07 Listening in between Nov 20 18:29:09 Ahh, ok Nov 20 18:29:13 See you later Nov 20 18:29:13 and a/c? Nov 20 18:29:17 Tell me that before I leave :-) Nov 20 18:29:18 It'll allow me to think about it Nov 20 18:29:28 What's the reason for using linuxrc? Nov 20 18:29:31 a) don't know how to do it and what it would mean for kernel instalation Nov 20 18:29:38 Kensan: to get rid of useless stuff, to boot faster Nov 20 18:29:39 c) kind of dirty ;) Nov 20 18:29:39 mainly Nov 20 18:30:05 I don't care about dirtiness mrmoku Nov 20 18:30:05 mrmoku: b) is painless and straightforward Nov 20 18:30:07 As long as it works Nov 20 18:30:26 (just so you know) Nov 20 18:30:27 Kensan: but you would have to change u-boot env Nov 20 18:30:39 Ainulindale: will start the dirty way to get some script done Nov 20 18:30:47 Good thing :-) Nov 20 18:30:52 mrmoku: yes. Nov 20 18:31:08 And anyway it'll help you to think about it Nov 20 18:31:10 just replace /sbin/init with a shell script -- same thing. Nov 20 18:31:14 mrmoku: for testing purpouses you could just do a symlink Nov 20 18:31:18 yep Nov 20 18:31:18 mrmoku: sounds like a reasonable thing Nov 20 18:31:39 s/mrmoku/mwester/ Nov 20 18:31:39 mrmoku: what are you trying to do? Nov 20 18:31:40 The first task would be to determine if there's anything we use from init. Nov 20 18:31:40 mrmoku: what's the reason for using linuxrc? Nov 20 18:31:40 mrmoku: i have plenty of experience on initramfs's Nov 20 18:31:41 Kensan Nov 20 18:31:43 If not, then we can do the linuxrc thing, like many small linux embedded devices do. Nov 20 18:31:44 lindi-: there's no need for an initramfs Nov 20 18:31:45 the wish for faster booting Nov 20 18:31:58 Kensan: yes there is Nov 20 18:31:58 19:29:39 < Ainulindale> Kensan: to get rid of useless stuff, to boot faster Nov 20 18:32:16 Ainulindale: I see Nov 20 18:32:30 lindi-: how so? Nov 20 18:32:32 lindi-: what would initramfs mean for kernel and flashing? Nov 20 18:32:42 I'm also wondering why people are describing SHR as slower than qtopia/qtextended Nov 20 18:32:57 because it is -- wwaaaaaaaayyyyyyy slower Nov 20 18:33:01 (to boot/start) Nov 20 18:33:10 Just to boot? Nov 20 18:33:19 Kensan: then i can have encrypted rootfs easily Nov 20 18:33:19 Why is it so, then, mwester? Nov 20 18:33:19 the "e" screen makes you grow noticably older. Nov 20 18:33:19 Kensan: or root on nfs Nov 20 18:33:29 mrmoku: heh :-) Nov 20 18:33:33 damn tab completion Nov 20 18:33:33 :) Nov 20 18:33:34 Kensan: or emergency boot time network console Nov 20 18:33:48 but if you use linuxrc you need to somehow be "compatible" with services that want to get started on bootup Nov 20 18:33:50 Kensan: which can be used even if rootfs can't be mounted Nov 20 18:33:54 Well as told before Nov 20 18:33:54 * mwester must run for a while to do some errands. bbiab Nov 20 18:33:54 I'm off Nov 20 18:33:54 Se you in a while Nov 20 18:33:56 +e Nov 20 18:34:10 lindi-: you can do most of that with a properly configured kernel. Nov 20 18:34:23 lindi-: initramfs adds time to the boot Nov 20 18:34:24 Kensan: but then you need to recompile the kernel for every usage case Nov 20 18:34:31 lindi-: no Nov 20 18:34:31 Kensan: i don't care much about boot time Nov 20 18:34:43 lindi-: then we are not talking about the same issue Nov 20 18:35:17 mrmoku: have you looked at olv's speedup patches? Nov 20 18:35:55 I did some bootcharting etc myself and got the illume image down to 45 secs Nov 20 18:36:13 and that was with sysv init Nov 20 18:36:32 Kensan: just one second... They use init, right? Nov 20 18:36:37 doing a custom built linuxrc will bring a lot of work imho Nov 20 18:36:43 mrmoku: yes Nov 20 18:37:25 what about other init systems, like upstart? Nov 20 18:38:17 mrmoku: Harald did get it running at one point but there was not much of a performance gain Nov 20 18:39:10 mrmoku: the issue with custom linuxrc is that you would need to handle services which want to get started on bootup in some runlevel. Nov 20 18:40:08 mrmoku: upstart might be worth a try Nov 20 18:40:12 Kensan: like speed-dispatcher for navit as an example? Nov 20 18:41:13 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rc32f1296fcef 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/power/power.vala: Don't read from uevent Nov 20 18:42:17 mrmoku: I don't know speed-dispatcher Nov 20 18:43:06 Kensan: me neither, but it's some speach daemon needed when you whant to use navit GPS navigation with spoken output i think Nov 20 18:43:20 so some daemon that is not installed by default and wants to be started, if installed Nov 20 18:43:28 espeech? Nov 20 18:44:02 Hire: talking about init systems not speech daemons ;) Nov 20 18:44:02 mrmoku: yes, or any other system level daemon that wants to be started on bootup. Nov 20 18:44:04 uhhh Nov 20 18:44:06 oops :D Nov 20 18:45:13 * mrmoku is back in 5 mins Nov 20 18:51:14 how do I fix this: Error validating server certificate for 'https://garage.maemo.org:443' when fetching numtyphisics? Nov 20 19:04:46 Kensan: how is shutdown handled in linuxrc world? Extra shutdown script? Nov 20 19:20:40 hello, the openmoko-browser2 has 3 buttons at the bottom of the screen...when i click on one it changes all the screen....how do they do that? create a button and update the window's content with the equivalent of self.window.add(something) in python? Nov 20 19:20:41 with a callback of course Nov 20 19:40:06 Hmpf Nov 20 19:40:19 tsk Nov 20 19:42:40 alphaone: 2008.11.21 20:26:36 oeventsd ERROR signal Suspend emited an error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) Nov 20 19:42:41 (no resume on call) Nov 20 19:43:02 Full log at your disposal Nov 20 19:43:08 Ainulindale: That *always* happens Nov 20 19:43:19 If suspend lasts longer than a minute Nov 20 19:43:35 Well Nov 20 19:43:36 In any case Nov 20 19:43:39 It didn't resume on a call Nov 20 19:45:51 Ainulindale: Reopen http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/217 and append your log pleas Nov 20 19:45:52 e Nov 20 19:46:32 Now that I think about it Nov 20 19:46:44 No ringtone on the call I just received Nov 20 19:46:48 Or it may be just me Nov 20 19:47:33 It's all in your head Nov 20 19:47:46 Anyway I'll give you the full log Nov 20 19:48:10 Hmmm Nov 20 19:48:12 Can't seem to be able to attach a file Nov 20 19:48:30 Ah, no Nov 20 19:48:30 My mistake Nov 20 19:48:49 Log is big. Nov 20 19:49:04 Damn, too big. Nov 20 19:50:00 hmmm, problems with latest? or is it still safe to upgrade? Nov 20 19:50:19 It may just be me Nov 20 19:51:12 alphaone: everything is there Nov 20 19:51:33 I should have detailed the fact that it starts at 20ish Nov 20 19:53:42 alphaone: And I say to myself Nov 20 19:53:43 What a wonderful looooooooog Nov 20 19:53:46 * Ainulindale whistles and goes to cook Nov 20 19:54:42 Ainulindale: So you manually resumed the phone? Nov 20 19:54:56 Yep Nov 20 19:55:22 Told myself, seeing the traffic "Hey, let's tell my girl I'll be late" Nov 20 19:55:33 Hence the gap Nov 20 19:58:13 * Hire goes to cook something Nov 20 20:05:16 alphaone: I hope you understand I'm not bothering you out of sheer pleasure Nov 20 20:05:22 (Just a little bit) Nov 20 20:05:24 :-p Nov 20 20:05:31 Ainulindale: Oh, I understand you are :-) Nov 20 20:05:55 Actually that bug is much more suited for mickey than for me. Nov 20 20:06:02 For once, I had full debug logs and a cool issue to investigate Nov 20 20:06:22 I might take a look, but if I can't reproduce it.... Nov 20 20:06:31 Yes, I understand that Nov 20 20:06:31 And I had a similar problem Nov 20 20:06:41 Problem is, it doesn't seem reproducible Nov 20 20:06:50 I had this problem with speech-dispatcher Nov 20 20:06:51 But I removed it Nov 20 20:06:57 It would be interesting to see what the CTS/RTS lines are doing during that time Nov 20 20:07:15 I won't be able to reproduce it I fear Nov 20 20:07:57 how do i use openocd with a configuration with debug board v4 on FR? Nov 20 20:08:32 i get, Error: ft2232.c: 1516 ft2232_init_libftdi(): unable to open ftdi device: device not found Nov 20 20:09:30 Ainulindale: how can I transform a SHR image into something bootable by qemu? It's annoying to allways have to reboot the phone while developing some linuxrc script :) Nov 20 20:09:54 It is supposedly bootable by qemu Nov 20 20:10:08 the jffs2? Nov 20 20:10:33 Check the mokomakefile Nov 20 20:10:35 Or ask rwhitby Nov 20 20:10:41 I can't remember how this is done Nov 20 20:11:13 heh mokomakefile is calling some flash.sh script... Will try to find it somewhare, thanks Nov 20 20:16:25 hello Nov 20 20:16:45 can anyone provide a working openocd.cfg for debug board v3? Nov 20 20:18:45 Ainulindale: what about daemons that are not part of the default install? Nov 20 20:18:54 For example your beloved speech-dispatcher ;) Nov 20 20:19:02 how do we want to handle that? Nov 20 20:19:43 They have an init script, haven't they? Nov 20 20:20:28 and how does it get called without init? by linuxrc, but how do we determine which ones to start? Nov 20 20:21:39 How do you do it with init? :-) Nov 20 20:22:21 well, init has its stupid start script links and runlevels and calls the scripts Nov 20 20:22:39 I know :-) Nov 20 20:22:43 But that makes my point Nov 20 20:22:48 we can call scripts too, but we don't want to start all scripts :) Nov 20 20:22:57 say, I don't want to start portmap, because I don't need it Nov 20 20:23:09 Why wouldn't we use something similar was my point :-) Nov 20 20:23:53 (sorry if I'm slow, I sometimes need to eat :-p) Nov 20 20:24:41 take your time - eating fast is bad :) Nov 20 20:37:17 snails? Nov 20 20:41:05 mrmoku: :-) Nov 20 20:41:05 grmbl Nov 20 20:41:05 mwester: :-) Nov 20 20:45:54 Ainulindale: yes Nov 20 20:46:00 yes what? Nov 20 20:46:15 you called me - finished eating? Nov 20 20:48:16 Yep Nov 20 20:49:24 Ainulindale: what do you think about some directory /etc/foo with files for the services to start in it? Nov 20 20:49:47 mrmoku: My bet is that it's already done Nov 20 20:49:47 By init Nov 20 20:49:48 So you might as well reuse that Nov 20 20:49:59 Judging by the questions you're asking Nov 20 20:50:09 I'm wondering about something Nov 20 20:50:09 I thought you wanted to get rid of init? Nov 20 20:50:09 Is it truly worth the pain? Nov 20 20:50:24 We're bound to build stuff like init for this and that kind of issue Nov 20 20:50:35 So what's the real gain? Nov 20 20:50:35 good question ;) Nov 20 20:50:41 And regarding your question from before Nov 20 20:50:42 Yes, I do Nov 20 20:51:01 I also don't want to maintain half the world of packages with the changes necessary to handle moku-init Nov 20 20:51:38 :) Nov 20 20:51:47 so this excludes getting rid of init Nov 20 20:51:59 shall I take a look at the patches to speed up boot via init instead? Nov 20 20:52:06 I'm not sure this excludes that mrmoku Nov 20 20:52:20 we could use linuxrc, and not init, but use what init uses for its init scripts Nov 20 20:52:29 It's not mutually exclusive to me Nov 20 20:53:22 that's what I wanted to do - use the scripts in init.d... Nov 20 20:55:18 Too bad I don't know that much about that Nov 20 20:58:34 mrmoku: listen, if you're interested in speeding up boot Nov 20 20:58:41 Do it the way you like it Nov 20 20:58:46 I won't tell you which way is the best Nov 20 20:58:47 I don't know that Nov 20 20:58:54 If you feel like trying to patch init to speedup things Nov 20 20:59:06 And if you enjoy it Nov 20 20:59:06 Please do :-) Nov 20 20:59:33 ok, will continue my research in all directions :-) Nov 20 21:01:32 mrmoku: as long as you're interested in that, and have fun with it Nov 20 21:01:32 I'm good Nov 20 21:03:04 yep, wouldn't do it without having fun :-) so don't worry Nov 20 21:16:26 Hey Nov 20 21:17:10 mwester, http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/95 <- are there any touchscreen activities in kernel? Nov 20 21:17:51 quickdev: I don't have that here (lite) Nov 20 21:18:01 Ainulindale, kernel? Nov 20 21:18:14 Latest Nov 20 21:18:41 link please :) Nov 20 21:18:51 latest on the buildhost :-) Nov 20 21:18:56 stefan_schmidt, I just registered for the devel list Nov 20 21:19:01 (you're becoming as lazy as I am) Nov 20 21:20:27 yeah..but I had a long day and there's still plenty of stuff to do this evening :) Nov 20 21:20:48 http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Nov 20 21:21:07 (I'm too kind with you) Nov 20 21:21:28 :) Nov 20 21:21:37 btw...I just added some(many) tickets to MS1..those I want to have Nov 20 21:21:59 mrmoku: I might add my observations since I have looked at speeding up boot. Nov 20 21:23:07 mrmoku: doing a custom init-system will imho have more negative points than benefits since it will cause a lot of maintenance. You should also consider that the "init/bootup" system should be the same (more or less) for varrious devices. Nov 20 21:24:17 mrmoku: analyzing and understanding what actually makes boot so slow should be your first step. Nov 20 21:25:21 Ainulindale, did you try touching the screen on the empty area one minute long? many times per second? Nov 20 21:25:21 please do that Nov 20 21:26:12 hello Nov 20 21:26:29 ingoa: hi Nov 20 21:27:50 I use SHR image from today. Nov 20 21:28:14 stefan_schmidt: saw the gnufiish announcement :) Nov 20 21:28:14 numptyphisics do not start. Is there a workaround? Nov 20 21:29:08 I started it also from Terminal: Nov 20 21:30:01 Kensan: the more I think about it, I gues you might be right Nov 20 21:30:10 +s Nov 20 21:30:29 quickdev: hmpf I'll try Nov 20 21:30:29 outout is: loaded /usr/share/numptyphysiccs/paper.jpg Nov 20 21:30:32 ingoa: opkg install libpng Nov 20 21:30:34 ingoa: opkg install libpng3 Nov 20 21:30:39 output is: CAUGHT: image not found Nov 20 21:30:47 I forgot to add it to the dependencies Nov 20 21:30:48 (again) Nov 20 21:30:48 mrmoku: olv's speedup patches considerably decrease boottime and match my observations/optimizations so you should give them a try. Nov 20 21:30:55 hehe, thank you Nov 20 21:31:17 :\ Nov 20 21:31:24 mrmoku: there's more potential for optimization I guess so there's still room for improvement. Nov 20 21:32:08 mrmoku: upstart might also be worth experimenting with. Nov 20 21:32:37 Kensan: looking at the patches right now :) Nov 20 21:32:37 Ainulindale, and? Nov 20 21:32:49 still Nov 20 21:32:49 doinng Nov 20 21:32:51 that Nov 20 21:32:56 test Nov 20 21:33:07 Ok, with two hands now Nov 20 21:33:09 Still nothing :-) Nov 20 21:33:10 do it very fast...on one point Nov 20 21:33:11 I did that Nov 20 21:33:21 For twenty seconds or so Nov 20 21:33:47 No problem Nov 20 21:33:56 (tried again) Nov 20 21:34:09 is opkg upgrade on SHR a good idea? Or is it to dangerous? Nov 20 21:34:13 ingoa: you can do it Nov 20 21:34:44 quickdev: some discussion on touchscreen jitter, but it should be pretty good. Certainly one should never see false selections. Nov 20 21:35:01 I suspect possibly touchscreen alignment -- do we have the pointercal tools in the image? Nov 20 21:35:06 mrmoku: if you see certain parts of init being excessively slow it might be worth replacing them with small (c) binaries. Nov 20 21:38:08 Kensan: and also look for stuff not needed. For example it doesn't make sense to restore some alsa state, when some moments later frameworkd starts and restores the alsa state again, does it? Nov 20 21:38:22 mrmoku: yes. Nov 20 21:38:55 mrmoku: hm I see olv is still using udev-118... hm udev-124 has many of the changes he is doing manually already included since hrw did some optimization for poky... Nov 20 21:39:02 mwester, updating the kernel worked for me. jitter is gone. Will tell you if encounter jitter in future again. Thanks for your precise information :) Nov 20 21:39:51 Kensan: what udev version do we have in SHR (can't check at the moment - flashing a fastboot image to see how fast it is ;) Nov 20 21:40:06 mrmoku: I assume it's 118 Nov 20 21:40:24 mrmoku: switching to 124 strikes 10 seconds Nov 20 21:40:35 mrmoku: without any further changes. Nov 20 21:40:58 mrmoku: and everything is still working. Nov 20 21:41:18 mrmoku: initial boot will take extremely long though since it will tar up /dev Nov 20 21:41:36 Kensan: so we should bug Ainulindale to pump up the rev ;) Nov 20 21:42:04 I could bump up the rev Nov 20 21:42:06 mrmoku: mrmoku but you could adjust the bb so a machine-specific dev.tar gets packaged Nov 20 21:42:06 Pumping it will prove harder Nov 20 21:42:23 I sent some of my patches to raster but I guess they never made it into oe... Nov 20 21:42:23 heh, depends how strong your lungs are ;) Nov 20 21:42:54 mrmoku: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/openmoko-shr-lite-image-glibc-ipk--20081119-om-gta01-testlab/ Nov 20 21:42:54 Test lab for GTA01, minimal Nov 20 21:42:56 Will give you some revs Nov 20 21:43:04 So it's udev 118 Nov 20 21:43:18 I'll regenerate with 124 if you can ensure me it's working properly Nov 20 21:43:38 Ainulindale: well I can tell you that it worked for me with illume-image. Nov 20 21:44:42 Ainulindale: if you tell me how to *b*ump up the version I can build me a lite image and try Nov 20 21:45:23 mrmoku: easy Nov 20 21:45:26 shr/openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev.inc Nov 20 21:45:34 PREFERRED_VERSION-udev = "124" Nov 20 21:45:35 But I already did this on the buildhost Nov 20 21:45:43 (it's VERSION_udev, sorry) Nov 20 21:45:47 with a _ not a - Nov 20 21:46:04 mrmoku: but take a look at olv's patches and take them as a base. Nov 20 21:46:10 mrmoku: there's still stuff that can be stripped Nov 20 21:47:14 mrmoku: I'll bitbake the image as soon as it hits Nov 20 21:47:28 let's see, if my slow home server will beat the build server ;) Nov 20 21:47:44 guess not :( Nov 20 21:47:48 meh :-) Nov 20 21:47:57 mrmoku: you could just wait for the package Nov 20 21:47:57 and opkg update upgrade reboot Nov 20 21:48:06 By the way Nov 20 21:48:08 The package will be here in 20 seconds Nov 20 21:48:22 * mrmoku is still parsing bb files :) Nov 20 21:49:03 package index is generating Nov 20 21:49:21 mrmoku: and there it is Nov 20 21:49:34 A bit late Nov 20 21:49:34 mrmoku: you could take the dev.tar which will be generated on first boot and add a bb or some other mechanism that it get's pacakged depending on what kind of machine SHR is being built. Nov 20 21:49:43 I'll complain to the maintainer of the buildhost Nov 20 21:49:51 Kensan: that's a good idea, indeed Nov 20 21:49:51 Ainulindale: still to fast for me - have to reboot my phone :-) Nov 20 21:50:08 Well, I'll revert to my other priority Nov 20 21:50:08 that will also make the first boot acceptable Nov 20 21:50:09 I.e. watching my show Nov 20 21:50:19 Ainulindale: have fun Nov 20 21:50:24 Kensan: that could be device specific though? Nov 20 21:50:50 is there an archive for the devel list? Nov 20 21:50:54 yes, that's why I said "depending on what kind of machine SHR is being built" Nov 20 21:51:04 dcordes: which devel? openmoko or fso? Nov 20 21:52:24 dcordes: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/ Nov 20 21:52:48 Kensan: ah, sorry did not read that part Nov 20 21:53:15 devel-request@lists.openmoko.org Nov 20 21:53:23 mrmoku: actually it's what patch 0005 does Nov 20 21:54:44 dcordes: that would be devel, the link I posted. Nov 20 21:55:07 Kensan, ok thanks Nov 20 21:57:09 Kensan: you mean patch 0004? Nov 20 21:59:56 mrmoku: 0005-fastboot-udev-static-devices-New-package-to-provid.patch Nov 20 22:00:55 where did you get your patches from? I have 0004-fastboot-udev-static-only.patch... from http://people.openmoko.org/olv/tmp/fastboot/ugly-patches/ Nov 20 22:02:43 mrmoku: he submitted the patches to devel a couple days ago: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003249.html Nov 20 22:03:09 mrmoku: be sure to look at the latest patches Nov 20 22:03:47 Kensan: yep, thank you :) Nov 20 22:13:19 hello again Nov 20 22:14:14 ingoa: welcome back Nov 20 22:14:48 is there a way to help the gps to start up and find the first signal? Nov 20 22:15:22 I live a littel bit in the mountain :) Nov 20 22:15:38 ingoa: do not wave your arms :-) Nov 20 22:16:37 Thanks. :) Does the gps only work outside? Or do you have no problem? Nov 20 22:17:03 I don't use it, so I'm not the right person to answer that Nov 20 22:18:05 Ok, thank you Nov 20 22:18:09 Sorry :-) Nov 20 22:18:54 Ok, reflashing the lite here, to test. Nov 20 22:19:20 Ainulindale: udev-124? Nov 20 22:19:31 yep Nov 20 22:19:31 Ainulindale: remember first boot will take very long Nov 20 22:19:40 No problem with me Nov 20 22:19:42 I'm quite patient. Nov 20 22:20:07 Though I'm afraid it'll generate problems on the gta01 Nov 20 22:20:23 well, off again, another show to watch Nov 20 22:20:27 Ainulindale: how come? Nov 20 22:20:36 well Nov 20 22:20:36 it'll create files Nov 20 22:20:40 so will the font cache Nov 20 22:20:44 it'll run out of memory Nov 20 22:20:45 (it already does) Nov 20 22:20:49 hm Nov 20 22:20:50 kay Nov 20 22:20:52 ingoa, it's only working outside, yes. Nov 20 22:21:08 but only is relative...sometimes I get a fix near my window after 10 minutes Nov 20 22:21:20 * mwester gets a fix with his gta01 with the neo1973 lying flat on his desk inside.... :) Nov 20 22:21:53 mwester, you are working outside? :) Nov 20 22:21:57 No he's american Nov 20 22:21:57 He basically has no house Nov 20 22:22:07 I get favored treatment by the satellites. :p Nov 20 22:22:17 He built a shelter out of mortgage papers :-p Nov 20 22:22:25 Oh I have a house; it just isn't worth very much lately. :( Nov 20 22:22:32 mwester has hacked the military gps signals Nov 20 22:22:47 Heh :-) Nov 20 22:22:54 quickdev: If you're inclined to flash latest Nov 20 22:22:55 It'll be great :-) Nov 20 22:23:07 I'm flashing lite at the moment Nov 20 22:23:09 Ainulindale, imagine what I'm doing atm Nov 20 22:23:09 quickdev: Touching yourself? Nov 20 22:23:15 I'm flashing the _real_ SHR Nov 20 22:23:22 "real" ? :-) Nov 20 22:23:36 the fat one Nov 20 22:23:36 Not the lite you mean? Nov 20 22:23:36 Too much stuff for me Nov 20 22:23:40 yeah...the image for mans...not for french pussies Nov 20 22:23:44 heh :-) Nov 20 22:23:57 yeah, exactly, too much stuff for you to handle ;) Nov 20 22:24:17 You'll see when you'll grow old Nov 20 22:24:31 It starts with the beard Nov 20 22:24:31 Continues with the beer Nov 20 22:24:47 Ends with the bed and a book Nov 20 22:24:53 By the way Nov 20 22:25:03 Talking about beer Nov 20 22:25:04 I'll be in belgium on saturday Nov 20 22:25:09 So I won't be available Nov 20 22:25:16 Shoot your questions before that Nov 20 22:25:29 (I'm going to buy beers) Nov 20 22:25:29 hrr :) Nov 20 22:26:38 damn..I still have to do some homework for computer science and german Nov 20 22:26:57 Do they teach you how to free memory? Nov 20 22:27:22 * Ainulindale whistles a bit Nov 20 22:27:42 they teach me how to normalize databases Nov 20 22:27:42 This is interesting Nov 20 22:27:46 (I truly mean that) Nov 20 22:27:55 Boyce-Codd & al? Nov 20 22:27:59 yeah, but I already know it. it's quite boring Nov 20 22:28:08 we only do the types 1-3 Nov 20 22:28:10 no further things like boyce-codd Nov 20 22:28:13 Interesting though Nov 20 22:28:27 I did this well after my bac Nov 20 22:28:27 can i help you quickdev? ;) Nov 20 22:28:37 Our french bac is mainly generic stuff Nov 20 22:28:37 no need, but thanks :) Nov 20 22:28:37 ive done this stuff in school 2 month ago Nov 20 22:28:38 physics, maths, etc Nov 20 22:28:44 And philosophy Nov 20 22:28:53 knutmithut, high school? Nov 20 22:29:14 Ainulindale, flashing done Nov 20 22:29:23 yeah, german.. 13th grade now Nov 20 22:29:23 Ainulindale, bac? bachelor? Nov 20 22:29:23 Almsot done here Nov 20 22:29:27 quickdev: Bac as in french bac Nov 20 22:29:36 knutmithut, same here. Wo kommste her? ;) Nov 20 22:29:36 The diploma you get at the end of high school Nov 20 22:29:44 near to mönchengladbach Nov 20 22:29:44 quickdev: abitur Nov 20 22:29:48 Ainulindale, it's abitur in germany Nov 20 22:29:48 yeah Nov 20 22:29:52 Ah, yeah, I remember now Nov 20 22:29:53 my school is the cge in erkelenz. and you? Nov 20 22:30:08 I know that because a "biture", in french, is somewhat what happened if you drank too much Nov 20 22:30:12 (it's slang) Nov 20 22:30:18 i have informatics lk.. ehm.. whats that in english? honour? Nov 20 22:30:19 knutmithut, I'm from nrw. do you have LK's? Nov 20 22:30:27 ah, yeah Nov 20 22:30:27 me, too Nov 20 22:30:35 major Nov 20 22:30:42 quickdev: do you want some toys to play with your new friend? :-> Nov 20 22:30:48 and physics my other lk Nov 20 22:30:49 Go play outside, boys! Nov 20 22:31:07 knutmithut, exactly the same here, hehe Nov 20 22:31:07 (it's all new to me, I'm used to be the young one) Nov 20 22:31:17 Ainulindale: how old are you if one might ask? Nov 20 22:31:28 25 Nov 20 22:31:28 42 Nov 20 22:31:28 I'm not that old Nov 20 22:31:37 Ainulindale, ah, really? Nov 20 22:31:41 Yeah, really Nov 20 22:31:42 * quickdev jokes a bit Nov 20 22:31:42 heh Nov 20 22:31:43 Dumbass :-) Nov 20 22:32:02 Ainulindale, there's no language to choose on first illume startup Nov 20 22:32:07 hehe, nice :) ive written my tests on monday and today.. about cryptology and nuclear physics Nov 20 22:32:07 and there's a mouse cursor, ehhe Nov 20 22:32:12 raster, welcome :) Nov 20 22:32:36 quickdev: I removed the locales Nov 20 22:32:41 We should check which one to add Nov 20 22:32:45 boo! Nov 20 22:32:53 Though IMAGE_LINGUA should get you french, german and english Nov 20 22:32:56 raster: evenin' sir. Nov 20 22:33:03 raster: I set IMAGES_LINGUAS="fr-fr de-de en-us" Nov 20 22:33:03 Ainulindale, I can't go further...because there's no language Nov 20 22:33:06 it should put the right packages Nov 20 22:33:10 quickdev: you can click next Nov 20 22:33:11 and the button is _very_ small Nov 20 22:33:27 no, I can't click next Nov 20 22:33:27 raster, we're talking about first illume startup Nov 20 22:33:28 or more precise, enlightenment startup Nov 20 22:33:30 well, someone was able to Nov 20 22:33:37 Today Nov 20 22:33:45 Ainulindale: that might be better than the locales listing i had :) Nov 20 22:33:45 We talked about it (a french user) Nov 20 22:33:54 raster: yes but that means the packages aren't generated properly Nov 20 22:33:55 or included properly Nov 20 22:34:13 what my way Nov 20 22:34:19 or the linguas way? Nov 20 22:34:25 linguas Nov 20 22:34:30 in the end it's your fault anyway :-p Nov 20 22:34:41 aaah Nov 20 22:34:41 pfffft! Nov 20 22:34:41 you're the package maintainer Nov 20 22:34:45 * raster blames mickey|sports Nov 20 22:34:45 Heh :-) Nov 20 22:35:05 * Kensan points with his finger at alphaone Nov 20 22:35:05 e's own locales all get generated no matter what and included in e's package Nov 20 22:35:09 raster: so it's glib locales then Nov 20 22:36:03 I can't understand why they're not explicitely included with LINGUA Nov 20 22:36:03 +S Nov 20 22:36:07 That's just plainly dumb Nov 20 22:36:14 glib Nov 20 22:36:14 or glibc? Nov 20 22:36:20 Don't remember Nov 20 22:36:33 Oh by the way raster Nov 20 22:36:33 Why the hell is it necessary to have cpp as a dependency of edje-util Nov 20 22:36:36 i think that doign what u do GENERATEs locales only for the ones u specify Nov 20 22:36:43 and edje-util as a dependency of everything e ? Nov 20 22:36:43 i dont specify any so ALL locales are generated Nov 20 22:36:51 thats just generating the translation support for locales Nov 20 22:36:53 raster: That's not what I've been told Nov 20 22:37:04 quickdev: if I click next, it works Nov 20 22:37:09 edje-util uses cpp as .edc files are put through cpp Nov 20 22:37:11 same as xrdb Nov 20 22:37:23 and other utils Nov 20 22:37:23 Ainulindale, is your button very small, too? Nov 20 22:37:23 raster: yeah but that implies the presency of a compiler on the system Nov 20 22:37:24 uses cpp as a macro language handler Nov 20 22:37:24 No quickdev Nov 20 22:37:25 no Nov 20 22:37:28 just requires cpp Nov 20 22:37:35 quickdev: the gsm widget isn't there Nov 20 22:37:35 Ainulindale, do you have a mouse cursor? Nov 20 22:37:39 quickdev: no Nov 20 22:37:44 cpp is available in stand-alone software and builds Nov 20 22:37:49 Are you booting your computer or your phone quickdev ? Nov 20 22:37:54 raster, did you do some recent things to include a mouse cursor? :) Nov 20 22:38:01 damn...it was my computer! Nov 20 22:38:01 =) Nov 20 22:38:08 of couse not Nov 20 22:38:08 quickdev: ? Nov 20 22:38:39 quickdev: I think you forgot to update properly the cfg for e Nov 20 22:38:57 probably Nov 20 22:39:06 no gsm widget on lite Nov 20 22:39:14 raster, when booting shr, I get the language selection. A cursor is shown and the button at the bottom is _very_ small Nov 20 22:39:22 quickdev: could you take a picture, print it, scan it, then show it to me please? :-) Nov 20 22:39:22 odd Nov 20 22:39:23 (safety precautions) Nov 20 22:39:24 fontconfig missing Nov 20 22:39:25 or missing sans font? Nov 20 22:39:46 raster: missing sans font is plausible Nov 20 22:39:46 I removed a font Nov 20 22:39:46 and cursor - x turns the mouse off by default normally Nov 20 22:39:46 (uming) Nov 20 22:39:46 ie -nocurosr Nov 20 22:39:55 http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20081120-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Nov 20 22:40:16 uming simply adds chinese/japanese font support Nov 20 22:40:21 Ok Nov 20 22:40:25 i didnt find any alreayd made packages for korean :( Nov 20 22:40:25 but i included all of it so u get full support Nov 20 22:40:29 And I removed all of them :-p Nov 20 22:40:44 I'm a dumbass :-) Nov 20 22:41:13 raster: my problem is Nov 20 22:41:14 well removing the ttf's will.. get u not much in the font deparment Nov 20 22:41:23 I wasn't talking about that Nov 20 22:41:23 just uming Nov 20 22:41:40 and glibc binary locales Nov 20 22:41:44 I'd like to find a way not to install them all Nov 20 22:41:52 Ainulindale, download a non-lite image yourself and fix it please :) Nov 20 22:41:52 well removing those will break language support for other locales Nov 20 22:42:05 raster: they're 10mo, all in all Nov 20 22:42:13 i included locales that e had translations for Nov 20 22:42:21 i know they use space Nov 20 22:42:22 considering the international nature of this stuff Nov 20 22:42:30 That's why I was looking for a better solution :-/ Nov 20 22:42:31 i'd hapily pay the cost in flash Nov 20 22:42:32 its not much Nov 20 22:42:44 considering u have 256m on the fr Nov 20 22:42:47 not much plus not much isn't equal to not much :-) Nov 20 22:43:30 good bye Nov 20 22:43:31 Kensan: do you know if olv has a git repo for the patches somewhere Nov 20 22:43:44 ingoa, good bye Nov 20 22:44:02 well raster Nov 20 22:44:08 I'll include them back until I have a better solution Nov 20 22:44:12 mrmoku: probably not a public one. In the mail he mentioned he wanted to merge his patches with om's oe tree. Nov 20 22:44:17 this weekend Nov 20 22:44:50 you'll have to ask the OE experts Nov 20 22:44:52 i just made it work Nov 20 22:44:52 :) Nov 20 22:44:57 raster: no problem Nov 20 22:45:18 quickdev Nov 20 22:45:18 raster, btw, you have to explain something Nov 20 22:45:23 Why did you add python-elementary to the image? Nov 20 22:45:38 (or is it me) Nov 20 22:46:00 No, it's you Nov 20 22:46:00 * raster explains nothing... ever! Nov 20 22:46:01 raster, elm_entry_add() -> edje_object_part_text_set(wd->ent, "elm.text", "
"); <- why
here? :) Nov 20 22:46:01 * mrmoku should read stuff more thoroughly Nov 20 22:46:01 Kensan: thanks Nov 20 22:46:11 Ainulindale, why not? people want it Nov 20 22:46:13 Define people Nov 20 22:46:19 quickdev: an empty text part is just that Nov 20 22:46:19 empty Nov 20 22:46:20 nothing Nov 20 22:46:21 0x0 Nov 20 22:46:48 so an empty label doesnt even use 1 line of space Nov 20 22:46:48 it uses 0x0 Nov 20 22:46:52 so i stick a
in so it goes "ooh we have a line!" Nov 20 22:46:53 quickdev: python elementary is only useful as a dependency Nov 20 22:46:53 (an empty line) Nov 20 22:46:57 adding it by default will resume to a useless library somewhere Nov 20 22:47:18 Ainulindale, yeah...but people want to play with it Nov 20 22:47:27 and it's not very big, right? Nov 20 22:47:31 If people want to play with it Nov 20 22:47:34 Why wouldn't they install it? Nov 20 22:47:37 I'd like to play with a guitar tuner Nov 20 22:47:45 Do you play the guitar? Nov 20 22:47:51 raster, it's quite confusing for developers. I didn't know where that "
" was from Nov 20 22:47:58 (I'm trying to make a point here :-p) Nov 20 22:48:13 quickdev: entry contents are done in markup Nov 20 22:48:26 all entry stuff ends in a newline Nov 20 22:48:26 always Nov 20 22:48:43 quickdev: could you please check illume config for the gsm stuff? Nov 20 22:48:44 raster: by the way Nov 20 22:48:53 tried several times yesterday to add mixer to my shelf gadgets Nov 20 22:48:53 It always segfaulted Nov 20 22:49:07 (always) Nov 20 22:49:07 hmmm Nov 20 22:49:07 odd Nov 20 22:49:08 bt? Nov 20 22:49:27 How would you want me to bt? Nov 20 22:49:27 mind u mixer isnt geared nicely to the FR screen Nov 20 22:49:27 gdb Nov 20 22:49:33 (i was in my car) Nov 20 22:49:53 your car doesnt have a pc built in Nov 20 22:49:53 raster: I have no idea as to the method to launch the gadget in debug Nov 20 22:49:54 yo raster. How is the other side of the earth? Nov 20 22:49:59 with all the usb ports and a debug console... ? Nov 20 22:49:59 :) Nov 20 22:50:17 raster: How do you handle strings for translations in .edc files in E17? Nov 20 22:50:17 Ainulindale: u dont Nov 20 22:50:18 when u get the whiote box of death Nov 20 22:50:27 attach with gdb Nov 20 22:50:28 gdb enlightenment PID Nov 20 22:50:54 that white box of death is an invitation to attach gdb and find out where things went wrong Nov 20 22:50:54 Oh, ok Nov 20 22:51:11 u'd want -dbg packages of course... Nov 20 22:51:11 stefan_schmidt: yo! Nov 20 22:51:11 Well, I don't have them Nov 20 22:51:20 And I don't have the time to test that either :-/ Nov 20 22:51:24 stefan_schmidt: strings in .edc's - don't Nov 20 22:51:25 i generally "discourage" that Nov 20 22:51:25 quickdev: regarding this gsm stuff? Nov 20 22:51:26 i almsot always explicitly SET the text from code Nov 20 22:51:49 raster: Setting the initial text from the app? Nov 20 22:51:49 thus translation goes via normal gettext Nov 20 22:51:53 yup Nov 20 22:51:53 ok Nov 20 22:52:02 as mostly the text is some form of generic label Nov 20 22:52:11 or message Nov 20 22:52:11 Ainulindale,not much work...but I'll do it tomorrow if you bug me Nov 20 22:52:13 We have someone who did zhone translations into ru Nov 20 22:52:13 quickdev: the gsm conf? Nov 20 22:52:21 Ok I'll bug you tomorrow Nov 20 22:52:22 And he also has it done for the edj, becuase we have the button lables only there Nov 20 22:52:22 mickeyl: reopened a good ticket for you Nov 20 22:52:25 Means we have to fix this. :) Nov 20 22:52:30 which one? Nov 20 22:52:39 217 Nov 20 22:52:50 mickeyl: You mean me? Nov 20 22:52:50 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/217#comment:5 Nov 20 22:53:26 quickdev: seems the \n issue isn't fisxed Nov 20 22:53:26 -s Nov 20 22:53:39 Ainulindale, ticket url? Nov 20 22:53:39 No ticket Nov 20 22:53:56 I told you about it this afternoon Nov 20 22:53:56 You told me you did it, IIRC Nov 20 22:54:00 I thought you meant "
" Nov 20 22:54:17
AND \n ;-) Nov 20 22:54:22 stefan_schmidt: aaah! well my solutionj has always been to let the code control actual label content Nov 20 22:54:22 Wait I'll upload a scren Nov 20 22:54:26 where is \n appearing? in sms, too? Nov 20 22:54:34 Ainulindale: at which timestamp is the problem apperaring? Nov 20 22:54:34 yeepeetee yep quickdev Nov 20 22:54:51 mickeyl: 20:ish Nov 20 22:54:52 there's a gap between 19 and 20 Nov 20 22:54:52 It's there Nov 20 22:54:52 Ainulindale, sending or receiving(showing) Nov 20 22:54:52 I resumed manually Nov 20 22:54:53 quickdev: showing Nov 20 22:55:12 raster: yeah, have the initial setting in the theme, but take care of it in the code anyway. Nov 20 22:55:22 quickdev: and sometimes the widget goes mad Nov 20 22:55:38 you push towards the bottom Nov 20 22:55:38 raster: Perhaps I'm motivated to fix this for zhone for fun Nov 20 22:55:38 and it'll go to the top Nov 20 22:55:39 :) Nov 20 22:55:49 Ainulindale: ok, so get a call and the device resumes @ 20:26? Nov 20 22:55:51 mickeyl: nope Nov 20 22:55:51 I resume manually at 20:26 Nov 20 22:55:56 I had a call in between, which didn't trigger resume Nov 20 22:56:02 It started ringing endlessly Nov 20 22:56:04 AGAIN :-) Nov 20 22:56:10 hmm Nov 20 22:56:21 ? Nov 20 22:56:22 how do you know you have a call Nov 20 22:56:24 when it doesn't resume? Nov 20 22:56:24 I didn't know Nov 20 22:56:36 I resumed to call my girlfriend Nov 20 22:56:58 And resuming it triggered the "incoming call" Nov 20 22:57:07 So either it's truly coincidental Nov 20 22:57:09 Which I doubt Nov 20 22:57:09 ok, so we are talking about the forever-ringing Nov 20 22:57:09 or a not-resuming? Nov 20 22:57:09 No Nov 20 22:57:12 Both here Nov 20 22:57:14 * mwester wonders if anyone is actually forcing flow control on the gsm when suspended, or if it might be the case that the gsm is happily pouring much data into the kernel where it may be lost or truncated or otherwise mishandled during resume Nov 20 22:57:18 But what is of interest is the non resuming Nov 20 22:57:29 hmm Nov 20 22:58:02 i guess i can't tell the non-resuming from the logs Nov 20 22:58:02 since otherwise it would resume Nov 20 22:58:02 *cough* Nov 20 22:58:03 heh :-) Nov 20 22:58:03 well Nov 20 22:58:03 Logically Nov 20 22:58:12 There would be several call incoming signals Nov 20 22:58:26 and %CPI something Nov 20 22:58:51 mwester: fixing #31 is next on my list Nov 20 22:58:52 quickdev: making you a screenshot as we speak Nov 20 22:59:03 Of course, if one were running an mwester kernel, one could gather the nspy logs and see exactly what was coming from the serial driver, including suspend/resume, flow control, and GSM interrupts... ;) Nov 20 22:59:12 mwester: heh Nov 20 22:59:12 mwester: I hate you :-) Nov 20 22:59:16 got a recipe in OE? Nov 20 22:59:17 or where is that goodness? Nov 20 22:59:18 mickeyl: I was about to ask the same :-p Nov 20 22:59:31 20:26:36 looks good to me Nov 20 22:59:33 can't find something odd there Nov 20 22:59:51 Well I'm mainly describing the behavior mickeyl Nov 20 23:00:00 I'm sure this is more complex than it looks Nov 20 23:00:26 well Nov 20 23:00:32 i _will_ use the neo as my primary phone Nov 20 23:00:33 starting next week Nov 20 23:00:40 then lets see Nov 20 23:00:45 mickeyl: I have a nice distro for you to test :-p Nov 20 23:01:01 too many variables Nov 20 23:01:04 i guess i'll just use the commandline Nov 20 23:01:17 Problem is Nov 20 23:01:17 It's truly random Nov 20 23:01:20 I don't have this behaviour, usually Nov 20 23:01:26 Apart from the never ending ringtone Nov 20 23:01:27 2008.11.21 20:26:44 ogsmd DEBUG : COMPLETED 'ATA' => ['ERROR'] Nov 20 23:01:29 that's not good Nov 20 23:01:45 a simple "ERROR"? wtf. Nov 20 23:01:54 (control F "ERR" ? :-) ) Nov 20 23:02:26 quickdev: http://www.calaquendi.org/om/Screenshot-1.png Nov 20 23:02:27 ok, i'm having high hopes for #31 Nov 20 23:02:34 it all sounds like this is the problem Nov 20 23:02:47 mwester: i count on you :) Nov 20 23:02:55 raster, "\n" in edje_text's is evil? Nov 20 23:03:05 raster, see Ainulindale screenshot Nov 20 23:03:39 yes Nov 20 23:03:48 \n is not meant to be in text Nov 20 23:03:59 text is done as markup Nov 20 23:04:23 convert to a
Nov 20 23:04:24 (assuming your style uses br as a newline format) Nov 20 23:04:24 same with tabs Nov 20 23:04:24 and other things Nov 20 23:04:41 quickdev: I also noticed that when someone send me a SMS matching /[rR][aA]st[eE][Rr]/ it displays small penises Nov 20 23:05:06 hahah Nov 20 23:05:07 (sorry I'm bored and my girlfriend is asleep :-:) ) Nov 20 23:05:46 hahahahah Nov 20 23:05:46 (And I usually tend to be dumb) Nov 20 23:05:50 tough luck Nov 20 23:05:50 ...for us Nov 20 23:05:54 :-) Nov 20 23:06:13 mwester: so echo "Asserting flowcontrol (suspending) the GSM." Nov 20 23:06:13 echo "1" >/sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/flowcontrolled Nov 20 23:06:28 that's for when the AT queues have been drained? Nov 20 23:06:37 last action before actual suspend? Nov 20 23:06:56 quickdev: last image should have the locales Nov 20 23:07:08 Ainulindale, light one? Nov 20 23:08:31 Hmmm weird Nov 20 23:08:31 It didn't regenerate it it seems Nov 20 23:08:39 Well relaunching it Nov 20 23:10:26 quickdev: monitor the timestamp, it's regenerating Nov 20 23:10:43 (both) Nov 20 23:10:43 (gta02) Nov 20 23:10:44 Away for a while Nov 20 23:13:20 (sorry, was away for a bit) Nov 20 23:13:49 mickeyl: Yep, that's all that's required as soon as the last AT command has been sent and the response from it read. Nov 20 23:13:57 mwester: this is inexcusable, sorry Nov 20 23:14:22 :p Nov 20 23:14:44 But the real important item is actually echo'ing "0" to that sysfs node -- the timing of doing that will determine if the GTA01 will overrun the UART FIFO or not. Nov 20 23:15:02 it will happen pretty soon Nov 20 23:15:02 after resuming Nov 20 23:16:25 i guess within one second Nov 20 23:16:26 I will happy to help -- I have a GTA01 here ready to test with. Nov 20 23:16:43 how likely is this problem to occur on 02 Nov 20 23:16:43 ? Nov 20 23:16:44 In addition to the "when" in terms of elapsed time, there is the "when" in terms of other activities going on after resume. Nov 20 23:17:22 There is no evidence this happens on the 02 at all -- I think the fifo being so much larger really helps. Nov 20 23:18:13 So step one is to get it working on the 02, then tweak until it works on the 01. Nov 20 23:18:14 some bug patterns i see make me think that something bogus gets sent to 02's gsm during resume Nov 20 23:18:18 could that be? Nov 20 23:18:18 And if we can't get it working on the 01, there is one last hope to fix it in-kernel. But it would be a lot of work. Nov 20 23:18:19 Yes, that could be... Nov 20 23:18:29 will the flow control be a bandaid against that? Nov 20 23:18:29 or is that unrelated? Nov 20 23:18:57 We only flow-control the GSM talking to the host, so if the host is sending low-level debug console traffic to /dev/ttySAC0, the GSM will still see it. :( Nov 20 23:18:57 mickeyl: by the way, regarding scheduling Nov 20 23:19:31 mwester: using fiq for reading the buffer? Nov 20 23:19:31 mickeyl: Is it possible to start the subsystems in a specific order? Nov 20 23:19:44 Kensan: Either fiq, or DMA. Nov 20 23:19:44 (to speed up gsm requesting by ophonekitd, for instance) Nov 20 23:19:44 Ainulindale: no. i tried to get away without implementing a dependency graph Nov 20 23:19:55 ah Nov 20 23:19:56 it's for speed in your case Nov 20 23:19:58 Unfortunately yes Nov 20 23:19:58 mwester: I recall andy saying something that fiq could not be used but I don't remember why exactly... Nov 20 23:19:58 The PIN window takes ages to appear Nov 20 23:20:06 ok, i could do that Nov 20 23:20:06 And that's a pity Nov 20 23:20:06 i doubt that it will change much Nov 20 23:20:23 Gives the impression of unsteadiness Nov 20 23:20:24 Kensan: that would be consistent with me being unable to get fiq working on the 01 ;) Nov 20 23:20:32 because the other systems launching will take CPUpower Nov 20 23:20:33 mickeyl: indeed Nov 20 23:20:39 Though systems such as the GPS aren't needed right away Nov 20 23:20:48 You could always "nice" them to a lower value no? Nov 20 23:20:56 (This isn't proper english, sorry) Nov 20 23:21:04 not really, we're not using threading nor process contexts Nov 20 23:21:05 (And by lwoer I mean higher) Nov 20 23:21:05 Damn Nov 20 23:21:05 anyways, open a ticket for me and I try to do it when i get around to. something like [frameworkd] launchorder=ogsmd,ogspd,foo,bar... Nov 20 23:21:05 I suspect we may have a similar "flurry of activity" right after resume, so that may be a concern. Perhaps we can "nice" a few key processes to help things respond to a wakeup by incoming phone call work better? Nov 20 23:21:24 mickeyl: In fact, IMHO Nov 20 23:21:37 mwester: hm... ok. Did you try Dma? Would that mean that all IO to/from UART FIFO would need to be rewritten to do dma? Nov 20 23:21:45 It shouldn't even launch ogpsd/ogsmd/whatever if the resource wasn't requested Nov 20 23:21:57 (Don't know what you planned about that) Nov 20 23:22:26 it doesn't Nov 20 23:22:59 subsystem init is minimal Nov 20 23:23:00 mwester: btw, do you remember why FIQ didn't work out on GTA01? Nov 20 23:23:02 Kensan: No, I didn't try it -- I researched it, and it looks like it would need a partial rewrite of the serial driver, we could only do a single port with DMA, and the overhead would gain little in terms of CPU processing -- but it should fix the latency issue that results in the FIFO overruns. Nov 20 23:23:02 all the hard stuff gets done on demand Nov 20 23:23:07 Kensan: No, never did figure it out -- it locked up the device so hard that I needed to reset it via debug board to get it back. Nov 20 23:23:23 mickeyl: ok then :-) Nov 20 23:23:40 Will open a ticket at the end of the show I'm watching Nov 20 23:23:44 oki Nov 20 23:23:52 mwester: yeah speed is not the issue I guess it's about reading the fifo quick enough so it won't overflow. Nov 20 23:24:11 mwester: oh.. that sounds bad. Nov 20 23:33:43 who's working on a calendar for zhone and where can i get the patch? :) see http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=7 Nov 20 23:35:45 mickeyl: probably somebody from poland. Nov 20 23:36:07 what's wrong when you are registered for a mailing list and get a bounce (with reason: non member) when you try sending? Nov 20 23:36:16 dcordes: did you get an activation email from mailman? Nov 20 23:36:25 yes and I clicked the link and was able to login Nov 20 23:36:48 I had the same problem with a different ml. must be me. Nov 20 23:36:52 hm. Nov 20 23:37:15 are you sending with the same email address that you registeretd' Nov 20 23:37:15 ? Nov 20 23:37:17 yes Nov 20 23:39:19 I sent the mail to devel@lists.openmoko.org Nov 20 23:43:45 dcordes: don't know sorry. Nov 20 23:43:53 off to bed Nov 20 23:44:02 good nigth all Nov 20 23:44:02 ok thanks for the advise. good night Nov 20 23:44:18 dcordes: if you still have problems, pester roh Nov 20 23:44:45 roh, hello, can I pester you with ml problems? Nov 20 23:46:05 Gaaah! Nov 20 23:46:13 :-D Nov 20 23:46:22 * mickeyl waits for a dfu-upload to complete... Nov 20 23:46:26 I ran my 256MB partition on my SD card out of space. :) Nov 20 23:47:17 I guess installing all those -dbg packages + perl + whatever else was a bit much. Nov 20 23:47:32 Oh well. Now I know what not to do on the FR, as well. :) Nov 20 23:48:25 Hmm... I can just put this in my laptop, tar it up, repartition, mkfs, and restore -- sweet. Nov 20 23:48:35 the heck with dfu, mickeyl ! gotta use an sd card! :) Nov 20 23:49:00 mickeyl, it's very strange because I already received list mails to my inbox. Nov 20 23:50:00 there have been problems with the om mailserver not being able to verify sender addresses Nov 20 23:50:17 last i know it has been fixed Nov 20 23:50:18 roh should know more Nov 20 23:50:32 is somebody present with moderator access? Nov 20 23:54:02 well I hope it will get fixed magically. good night Nov 20 23:54:03 n8 dcordes Nov 20 23:55:24 mickeyl: a little french birdie told me you were interested in my "theme" ? Nov 20 23:59:49 I say "theme", because currently it's just a mockup, will finish the icons this weekend and if time permits, read-up on edje and see how far i get going on a theme Nov 21 00:01:14 gn8 Nov 21 00:01:15 anyways ... it's time to hit the sack Nov 21 00:01:15 nite quickdev Nov 21 00:01:15 yeah, indee Nov 21 00:01:17 d Nov 21 00:01:18 nite guys Nov 21 00:01:40 yeah, i'd love to see a combination of http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4c768863097df0cfa4c45411737b0845.png and http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4dc340d6661464ca15a0789011cdd3c6.png as the new default theme Nov 21 00:04:49 default theme? Nov 21 00:04:53 You should call the next MS "Harbringer of Doom" Nov 21 00:05:01 mickeyl: hehe, you're quite the opposite from Ainulindale then ... he does not like colours ;] Nov 21 00:05:10 hahaha ... told ya Nov 21 00:05:51 I knew I shouldn't have told me :-) Nov 21 00:05:52 s/me/him/ Nov 21 00:07:45 mickeyl: #250 Nov 21 00:09:01 k Nov 21 00:09:01 bed time now Nov 21 00:09:01 g'night Nov 21 00:09:01 Night :-) Nov 21 00:09:09 later Nov 21 00:09:10 tomorrow more experiments wrt. #31 Nov 21 00:09:10 moin Nov 21 01:00:01 there we go, latest shr image almost flashed Nov 21 01:24:24 debian-gta02:~# mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP.DeactivateContext Nov 21 01:24:24 /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: DeactivateContext failed: org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled Nov 21 01:24:28 any idea why that's happening Nov 21 01:51:57 is mofi supposed to be unresponsive or i'm doing it wrnog? Nov 21 02:33:39 Hello! Nov 21 02:34:56 Ok I might be a bit late Nov 21 02:35:01 Comming back from work and going to bed :) Nov 21 02:39:49 * mwester-laptop downloads and flashes the SHR-Image ULTRA ÃœBER LITE image to his GTA01. Nov 21 02:50:19 <_ferric> heh Nov 21 02:50:42 <_ferric> mwester: where can I find that? Nov 21 02:54:04 http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ <---- the real shr images (newest at the bottom) Nov 21 02:55:35 <_ferric> mwester: cool, thank you. Nov 21 02:56:14 I decided to re-install, rather than move my rootfs to a bigger SD card... it's looking really good right now. Nov 21 02:56:45 But it won't fit in the small flash on the GTA01, at least if you want any apps installed, or any debug sorts of info. Nov 21 02:57:51 <_ferric> mwester: can't you install the image on the flash and then apps on the SD? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 21 02:59:57 2008