**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 21 02:59:57 2008
Nov 21 03:05:20 <mwester-laptop> _ferric: no
Nov 21 03:05:38 <_ferric> ack.  ok.
Nov 21 03:05:56 <_ferric> good to know.
Nov 21 03:06:13 <mwester-laptop> _ferric: A lot of the stuff I filled up the flash with is debug data and such; I could move things about and patch it all together with sym links, but it's just easier to use the SD card instead.
Nov 21 03:06:22 <_ferric> right
Nov 21 06:12:28 <mwester> Why the ^%@*%*& is my boot up covered up by this useless bootsplash??????????!@!!!!!!!!!????!
Nov 21 06:13:12 <mwester> When will people figure out that the right time to cover up boot messages and diagnostics is AFTER THE STUFF IS DONE AND WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov 21 06:14:10 <ljp> :)
Nov 21 06:14:30 <ljp> cauase that dont want you to see the errors rolling by
Nov 21 06:15:36 <mwester> I swear that must be it.  Although sometimes, especially with any X application, it's so that the DEVELOPER can avoid seeming them, because it might make them have to fix them....  (have you ever looked at the typical gnome desktop X logs?)
Nov 21 06:30:13 <ljp> cant say I have
Nov 21 06:30:27 <ljp> been a long time since I used that
Nov 21 06:30:44 <kd8ikt> Amen wester
Nov 21 06:31:51 <kd8ikt> debug/kprint(kernel print()/u-boot should always be shown
Nov 21 06:33:56 <kd8ikt> i need a new image
Nov 21 06:38:32 <mwester> Ok.  "exquisite" is now ex-exquisite.
Nov 21 06:40:45 <mwester> (debugging this stuff is hard enough without having to work around all the "interior decorating" that people insist on doing before construction is even over!)
Nov 21 06:42:29 <rwhitby> heh heh
Nov 21 06:43:05 <rwhitby> I still reckon Openmoko shouldn't have done any GUI stuff at all until a command-line phone call worked perfectly with suspend and resume ...
Nov 21 06:44:08 <kd8ikt> Amen
Nov 21 06:44:14 <DocScrutinizer2> :-D like gnuphone
Nov 21 06:44:29 <kd8ikt> kinda hope they are listening
Nov 21 06:44:34 <kd8ikt> "they"
Nov 21 06:45:24 <DocScrutinizer2> probably the guys doing the gui stuff wouldn't elp much on fixing resume issues
Nov 21 06:45:35 <kd8ikt> has the glamo been optimized to its fullest potential? i also doub
Nov 21 06:46:04 <kd8ikt> atleast that i can bitch about cause its not like i can do much about it ;)
Nov 21 06:46:42 <DocScrutinizer2> so if they on't hinder... 
Nov 21 06:53:19 <mwester> mofi... 23 seconds to start up.
Nov 21 06:54:18 <mwester> gpe-filemanager... 18 seconds to start up.
Nov 21 06:54:59 <mwester> openmoko-terminal... 19 seconds to start up.
Nov 21 06:55:42 <mwester> openmoko-calculator... 20 seconds to start up.
Nov 21 06:55:51 <mwester> I think something is badly wrong with my system!
Nov 21 06:58:16 <kd8ikt> mofi sux
Nov 21 06:59:23 <kd8ikt> its not just your sys weser
Nov 21 07:00:20 <mwester> mofi is python; I expect that to be slow.  The others are binaries; they shouldn't be like that.  Something has to be just slowing down startup time for anything touching the display.
Nov 21 07:02:16 <kd8ikt> oh i see a mp3(tech)less image has surfaced
Nov 21 07:03:13 <mwester> oh ick.
Nov 21 07:03:18 <mwester> It's fonts.
Nov 21 07:03:19 <kd8ikt> ASU
Nov 21 07:03:32 <mwester> well, ick to that too. :)
Nov 21 07:03:43 <dcordes> hi
Nov 21 07:12:06 <mwester> getting rid of uming.ttf sure helped.  4 second startup now.
Nov 21 07:12:50 <mwester> There's no way to shut down the SHR image.
Nov 21 07:12:54 <mwester> bummer.
Nov 21 07:17:44 <mwester> I can't believe this.  I have to pull out the battery -- because something in e refuses to shut down and hangs the shutdown indefinitely.  How does that happen?
Nov 21 07:18:51 <dcordes> roh: hi, are you around? I have a problem with my mails being rejected by the devel ml.
Nov 21 07:19:30 <dcordes> mwester lol I reset my devie often that way
Nov 21 07:20:04 <dcordes> can't be too harmful imho
Nov 21 07:23:45 <mwester> When I screw up, I expect to have to do that.  But it's not a normal, nor acceptable, way to shut down.
Nov 21 07:24:35 <mwester> It's a symptom of some other problem, possibly a serious one that'll hurt us during (for example) an upgrade -- if some process hangs and cannot be terminated, then you can't upgrade it either.
Nov 21 07:25:00 <ljp> did you call the Terminator?
Nov 21 07:26:20 <mwester> he's too busy being the governator now.
Nov 21 07:26:41 <ljp> surely not too busy to terminate one process?
Nov 21 07:28:50 <kd8ikt> wester could you hold my hand compiling a new uImage from scratch?
Nov 21 07:29:02 <kd8ikt> i could use a good tut
Nov 21 07:29:25 <kd8ikt> been awhile since i tried messing with compiling a kernel image
Nov 21 07:31:18 <kd8ikt> i think everyone could benefit from it
Nov 21 07:31:26 <kd8ikt> or atleast a lot of peeps
Nov 21 07:31:46 <kd8ikt> cause it is a bit black magic
Nov 21 07:32:27 <kd8ikt> drop a few paypall links in it too ;)
Nov 21 07:34:31 <kd8ikt> no offense but i'm sick of using YOUR kernels ;)
Nov 21 07:36:54 <kd8ikt> i cant find that good link that almost explained it step by step
Nov 21 07:37:14 <kd8ikt> i kept failing with mkimage
Nov 21 07:37:28 <kd8ikt> then gave up
Nov 21 07:47:25 <dcordes> is roh the only person who has moderator access tot he ml?
Nov 21 07:55:40 <kd8ikt> end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector XXXX
Nov 21 07:55:57 <kd8ikt> glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0xsomethin ;(
Nov 21 07:56:13 <kd8ikt> damnit
Nov 21 08:58:41 <elserpiente> Is it safe run Xglamo on FSO? i'm getting WSOD last time, guess maybe it depends on it....
Nov 21 09:12:35 <dcordes> stefan_schmidt_ pingg
Nov 21 09:22:20 <BluesLee> does opkg upgrade work well on shr or do i need to flash the new images?
Nov 21 09:42:39 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: yes it works well
Nov 21 09:42:47 <Ainulindale> Though you might lose some icons
Nov 21 09:43:54 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: thanx, icons are no problem, i have enough of them ;-)
Nov 21 09:44:16 <alfa21> hi all
Nov 21 09:44:20 <elserpiente> hu
Nov 21 09:44:23 <elserpiente> hi
Nov 21 09:44:28 <BluesLee> hi
Nov 21 09:44:35 <alfa21> I'm trying to install omview on shr
Nov 21 09:44:41 <alfa21> w/o success :(
Nov 21 09:45:12 <elserpiente> try wget
Nov 21 09:45:20 <elserpiente> maybe it is dns issue
Nov 21 09:45:21 <alfa21> I've tried also to import feeds from angstrom, due dependencies
Nov 21 09:45:56 <alfa21> no no, it's a software problem, I've downloaded all I need
Nov 21 09:46:08 <alfa21> opkg works fine
Nov 21 09:46:10 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: is it a know issue: when the sms inbox list is too long the options screen (show-answer-delete) is behind the one at the bottom and not readable?
Nov 21 09:49:22 <alfa21> but if I do not import ipk feeds from angstrom repository, I cannot solve dependency on many needed libraries... if I configure that feed in opkg, I can install omview but shr breaks at all
Nov 21 09:50:01 <alfa21> ...and omview does not works anyway... :P
Nov 21 09:50:40 <alfa21> any clue?
Nov 21 09:51:12 <BluesLee> libewl?
Nov 21 09:51:42 <alfa21> libewl is needed, yes... so I need to add angstrom as feed
Nov 21 09:52:10 <alfa21> but after that, omview is installed but not working
Nov 21 09:52:11 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: I had that one time
Nov 21 09:52:17 <Ainulindale> alfa21: tell me the name of the bb recipe and I'll install it
Nov 21 09:52:33 <alfa21> what is a "bb recipe"?
Nov 21 09:52:40 <Ainulindale> Heh :-)
Nov 21 09:52:48 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: its there every time if the list is "full", for me ...
Nov 21 09:52:48 <Ainulindale> Tell me where the sources are
Nov 21 09:52:50 <Ainulindale> And I'll check
Nov 21 09:52:56 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: then open a ticket :-)
Nov 21 09:53:00 <Ainulindale> Assign it to lfp-efl
Nov 21 09:53:12 <Ainulindale> alfa21: a bb recipe is the package description for the open embedded overlay
Nov 21 09:53:16 <Ainulindale> "bitbake recipe"
Nov 21 09:53:23 <Ainulindale> That's how you build packages
Nov 21 09:53:35 <Ainulindale> Were I to have it, I'll build it on the SHR buildhost
Nov 21 09:54:21 <alfa21> ah ok... I'll give u the project home page... give me a minute
Nov 21 09:54:42 <BluesLee> alfa21: use the om feed
Nov 21 09:55:04 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: hello
Nov 21 09:55:13 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: hey o/
Nov 21 09:55:13 <ptitjes> I came back from work at 4h :(
Nov 21 09:55:17 <BluesLee> alfa21: i installed the missing libs one by one by hand
Nov 21 09:55:37 <ptitjes> I'm going to work now again
Nov 21 09:55:41 <BluesLee> alfa21: do you know how to navigate in omview?
Nov 21 09:56:09 <ptitjes> I think I will have spare time tomorow to see if my issue is reproducible
Nov 21 09:56:19 <Ainulindale> alfa21: Everything I need is there, I'll try to build a bb recipe for it
Nov 21 09:57:45 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: will do that if my girlfriend writes me some sms today, so i can check the behaviour again
Nov 21 09:57:54 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: I see you generated a new image on the 21/11 - does this include the patch for the outgoing signal yet ?
Nov 21 09:58:48 <alfa21> http://projects.openmoko.org/scm/?group_id=182
Nov 21 09:58:55 <alfa21> here i am again :P
Nov 21 09:59:29 <alfa21> BluesLee: so u've installed and it's up and running on your shr?
Nov 21 09:59:36 <BluesLee> alfa21: yes
Nov 21 09:59:40 <alfa21> cooool
Nov 21 09:59:44 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: yes
Nov 21 09:59:53 <BluesLee> alfa21: but i dont know exactly how to navigate in the fs
Nov 21 10:00:04 <Ainulindale> alfa21: currently trying to build it, will tell you how it goes
Nov 21 10:00:11 <ptitjes> cool
Nov 21 10:00:21 <ptitjes> so see u all - bye
Nov 21 10:00:31 <alfa21> ok, to navigate, draw a line from left to right to next page
Nov 21 10:00:42 <BluesLee> alfa21: a line okay:-)
Nov 21 10:00:54 <alfa21> with your finger on the screen
Nov 21 10:01:05 <BluesLee> okay, how do i get thumbs?
Nov 21 10:01:08 <alfa21> it's a gesture based program
Nov 21 10:01:24 <alfa21> thumbs are autogenerated
Nov 21 10:01:51 <alfa21> and if u want to open an image you need to tap on a thumbnail
Nov 21 10:02:05 <BluesLee> no thumbs here
Nov 21 10:02:20 <alfa21> to go uplevel dir, draw a line from bottom to up
Nov 21 10:02:28 <BluesLee> something is missing i guess
Nov 21 10:02:37 <BluesLee> i get the names of the files nothing more
Nov 21 10:03:06 <alfa21> yep... i think something is missing
Nov 21 10:03:21 <alfa21> and can u see the full sized image?
Nov 21 10:03:26 <BluesLee> installed libewl(-plugins themes engines)
Nov 21 10:03:28 <BluesLee> no
Nov 21 10:03:36 <alfa21> umh :(
Nov 21 10:04:21 <alfa21> it should looks like this --> http://www.opkg.org/package_10.html
Nov 21 10:04:29 <alfa21> (see screenshots)
Nov 21 10:04:43 <BluesLee> yeah, i installed omview from that url
Nov 21 10:05:04 <BluesLee> maybe i remove it and install the one from the om site
Nov 21 10:05:16 <alfa21> mh
Nov 21 10:05:30 <alfa21> or try a different release?
Nov 21 10:05:38 <Ainulindale> If you wait a minute or so
Nov 21 10:05:45 <Ainulindale> I'm nearly done
Nov 21 10:06:03 <alfa21> http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=182
Nov 21 10:06:46 <BluesLee> alfa21: trying r32
Nov 21 10:06:59 <m0nt0> sorry making this question but i need some news :D is the wsod bug solved in stable/andy-traking? bug#1841?
Nov 21 10:07:01 <alfa21> but u should use a release >=27
Nov 21 10:07:18 <Ainulindale> (currently building a bb recipe for latest)
Nov 21 10:07:56 <BluesLee> alfa21: now r27
Nov 21 10:08:15 <alfa21> BluesLee: anyway r32 should works fine, I've used it on FDOM dirsto
Nov 21 10:08:20 <alfa21> *distro
Nov 21 10:09:00 <BluesLee> alfa21: no icon for r27
Nov 21 10:09:57 <BluesLee> alfa21: r27 looks different:-) but does not work
Nov 21 10:10:02 <alfa21> it's not so cool :( that program should be used as image viewer :P
Nov 21 10:11:10 <alfa21> I'm a lamer and I do not know what I need to do to make it running :(
Nov 21 10:12:35 <alfa21> what a pity
Nov 21 10:13:09 <BluesLee> removing all that guys
Nov 21 10:13:22 <Ainulindale> alfa21: As I told you, wait a minute and I'll build it for you on the SHR buildhost
Nov 21 10:13:32 <Ainulindale> Currently testing it
Nov 21 10:13:38 <Ainulindale> (the package build)
Nov 21 10:14:01 <alfa21> ooh great god Ainulindale !!!
Nov 21 10:14:10 <Ainulindale> You don't read what I write, though :-p
Nov 21 10:14:14 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: here is my wishlist ...;-)
Nov 21 10:14:16 <Ainulindale> I told that five minutes ago
Nov 21 10:14:22 <Ainulindale> s/stold/said/
Nov 21 10:14:24 <Ainulindale> grmbl
Nov 21 10:14:27 <Ainulindale> Freaking keyboard
Nov 21 10:14:37 <Ainulindale> Keeps sliping under my fingers
Nov 21 10:15:14 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: will you open a ticket for that please?
Nov 21 10:15:30 <BluesLee> for your finger issues?
Nov 21 10:16:10 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: for the sms options screen?
Nov 21 10:16:26 <alfa21> Ainulindale: I've read that, but I thought it'd be with the same result of BluesLee 
Nov 21 10:16:46 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: for omview
Nov 21 10:16:58 <Ainulindale> alfa21: what did you read?
Nov 21 10:17:09 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: and for sms too
Nov 21 10:17:22 <alfa21> about SHR buildhost
Nov 21 10:17:36 <alfa21> ~omview
Nov 21 10:17:43 <Ainulindale> alfa21: I'm building a recipe, that is to say something to build and install the right dependencies
Nov 21 10:17:49 <Ainulindale> So my guess is, it won't be the same
Nov 21 10:18:01 <Ainulindale> Ok recipe works
Nov 21 10:18:15 <alfa21> hurray hurray Ainulindale hurray
Nov 21 10:18:26 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: shr should work with http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/ ?
Nov 21 10:19:36 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: i took the omview package from opkg.org and the lib files from the download server and i didnt expected it to run, why it should, is there a global compatibility?
Nov 21 10:22:05 <Ainulindale> Ok, bitbaking, will see if the package works as supposed to
Nov 21 10:22:12 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: I wouldn't do that if I were you
Nov 21 10:22:27 <Ainulindale> Libraries might not be at all using the same version
Nov 21 10:22:44 <Ainulindale> And anyway, asking for a recipe it's not that hard, isn't it? :-)
Nov 21 10:24:45 <Ainulindale> Currently compiling ewl
Nov 21 10:24:50 <Ainulindale> (on the buildhost)
Nov 21 10:25:07 <BluesLee> you mean you will compile everything i want?;-)
Nov 21 10:25:17 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: Already told so, this is a community project
Nov 21 10:25:19 <Ainulindale> If you need a library
Nov 21 10:25:23 <Ainulindale> Tell us to compile it
Nov 21 10:25:29 <BluesLee> one moment, i will make a list
Nov 21 10:25:32 <Ainulindale> By the way, ewl/evas are runtime dependencies?
Nov 21 10:25:38 <Ainulindale> Or build dependencies?
Nov 21 10:25:46 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: open a ticket for that anyway
Nov 21 10:25:46 <BluesLee> no, i will write a book:-)
Nov 21 10:27:52 <BluesLee> BluesLee: i will list the files installed and from where i downloaded it and a description that it is not working
Nov 21 10:27:57 <alfa21> I think runtime deps, because are required by opkg installation
Nov 21 10:28:14 <Ainulindale> Ok then I'll put them as runtime dependencies
Nov 21 10:28:30 <Ainulindale> Still currently compiling ewl
Nov 21 10:31:49 <alfa21> so, in general, I can't install ipk from opkg.org?
Nov 21 10:32:40 <Ainulindale> You can
Nov 21 10:33:00 <Ainulindale> There's no guarantee it'll work
Nov 21 10:35:24 <alfa21> fine
Nov 21 10:36:51 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: #116
Nov 21 10:36:58 <Ainulindale> Thanks :-)
Nov 21 10:37:28 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: i opened a ticket #116
Nov 21 10:37:29 <alfa21> and what if I add in /etc/opkg/ a .conf with a feed from angstrom or openmoko or others, near the standard shr feed? is it a good thing to do?
Nov 21 10:38:09 <Ainulindale> alfa21: I personally wouldn't do it
Nov 21 10:38:16 <Ainulindale> I'd rather compile the package I need myself :-)
Nov 21 10:39:13 <alfa21> ok, tnx for that fundamental information
Nov 21 10:39:20 <elserpiente> Is anybody know what issue is it, when i getting "evbug.c: Event. Dev: <NULL>, Type: 0, Code: 0, Value: 0" in dmesg?
Nov 21 10:39:32 <alfa21> I've always mixed up distributions :P
Nov 21 10:39:34 <BluesLee> i would remove the htop app from the lite images
Nov 21 10:41:11 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: the ebook reader fbreader was working well on shr, maybe you can add it also, a text editor is a duty
Nov 21 10:43:27 <FilipLinux4> Hi all, I wanna give SHR another try; should I just grab the latest from shr.bearstech.com , or is there a better (recommended)  choice (for both kernel & rootfs) ?
Nov 21 10:44:20 <BluesLee> FilipLinux4: take the latest ones
Nov 21 10:45:23 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: how do we rotate on shr? 
Nov 21 10:46:46 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: someone is working on porting newrotate to autotools
Nov 21 10:46:50 <Ainulindale> (supposedly)
Nov 21 10:46:56 <Ainulindale> But I think he'll take a while to do that
Nov 21 10:47:03 <Ainulindale> FilipLinux4: "another"? :-)
Nov 21 10:47:13 <alfa21> Ainulindale: when u're done with omview, should I just do an opkg update and install omview?
Nov 21 10:47:26 <Ainulindale> alfa21: yep, almost done, I'm trying the package
Nov 21 10:47:57 <Ainulindale> (on my gta)
Nov 21 10:48:08 <alfa21> iv'e a gta02
Nov 21 10:48:15 <Ainulindale> Same here
Nov 21 10:48:23 <alfa21> nice
Nov 21 10:48:25 <alfa21> ^^
Nov 21 10:49:34 <FilipLinux4> Ainulindale: yes, "another"; I'ven been running qtopia for the last month or so
Nov 21 10:50:19 <Ainulindale> FilipLinux4: why another then?
Nov 21 10:50:25 <Ainulindale> Hmmm, omview doesn't see my files it seems
Nov 21 10:50:32 <Ainulindale> Though the package installs and runs
Nov 21 10:50:50 <alfa21> fast howto for omview: tap an item to open it; draw a line from left to right to go to the next page, viceversa for the previous page; a line from bottom to top for the parent dir;
Nov 21 10:51:03 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: there was also a discussion concerning the analog clock
Nov 21 10:51:09 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: yeah I know
Nov 21 10:51:30 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: i found that one http://www.c7obs.net/~adi/projects/e17/
Nov 21 10:51:34 <Ainulindale> Which kind of thing is it supposed to be able to open, alfa21 ?
Nov 21 10:51:41 <FilipLinux4> I tried SHR before was not 100% happy with it so switched to qtopia. I want to start actually developing for the, but need to decide on distro first. I do like Qtopia from a userperspecitve (android as well), but both qtopia & android are too limited as dev platform
Nov 21 10:51:43 <alfa21> images
Nov 21 10:51:51 <alfa21> jpg png bmp... any
Nov 21 10:51:57 <Ainulindale> FilipLinux4: why weren't you happy?
Nov 21 10:52:03 <Ainulindale> alfa21: well, it doesn't seem to list any
Nov 21 10:52:11 <Ainulindale> alfa21: try it yourself, if you can tell me why I'll fix the thing
Nov 21 10:52:17 <Ainulindale> opkg update && opkg install omview
Nov 21 10:52:19 <BluesLee> FilipLinux4: i tried shr some weeks ago for 1 minute:-) now i use it since a week
Nov 21 10:52:19 <FilipLinux4> battery live, call quality (I do use it as a daily phone )
Nov 21 10:52:33 <alfa21> ok... now I'll try
Nov 21 10:52:34 <Ainulindale> FilipLinux4: same here, and for call quality what do you mean?
Nov 21 10:52:38 <alfa21> stay tuned :P
Nov 21 10:53:13 <Ainulindale> FilipLinux4: (regarding battery life, I'm quite happy here)
Nov 21 10:53:18 <BluesLee> FilipLinux4: the call quality is similar to the on qtextended, the issues echo/buzz are not distro related
Nov 21 10:54:41 <BluesLee> FilipLinux4: flash it and you will be happy, believe me ... qtextended is a no go in the last weeks, the images do not get better, a feed and a vmware sdk is still missing
Nov 21 10:55:47 <Ainulindale> (and we're trying to speed up boot :-p)
Nov 21 10:56:56 <Ainulindale> well, launching it with a file name won't work it seems
Nov 21 10:57:51 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: epdfviewer or evince as a pdf viewer
Nov 21 10:58:35 <FilipLinux4> boot time is no issue for me: a phone is always on, no need to reboot often.
Nov 21 10:58:36 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: don't tell me that here
Nov 21 10:58:45 <Ainulindale> open a ticket with all your needs
Nov 21 10:58:57 <alfa21> execlp: No such file or directory
Nov 21 10:59:04 <alfa21> [omview]
Nov 21 10:59:13 <Ainulindale> Yeah, I know
Nov 21 10:59:33 <alfa21> :P
Nov 21 10:59:34 <alfa21> sorry
Nov 21 10:59:35 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: one ticket for all or several tickets?
Nov 21 10:59:45 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: one ticket
Nov 21 10:59:51 <Ainulindale> alfa21: though I don't know if it's supposed to happen
Nov 21 11:00:07 <Ainulindale> alfa21: or affect the software
Nov 21 11:00:49 <alfa21> the only thing I know is it should call a thumbnail generator... but I do not remember the name
Nov 21 11:01:03 <Ainulindale> epsilon?
Nov 21 11:01:07 <alfa21> yeah
Nov 21 11:01:14 <Ainulindale> Ok then let me try again.
Nov 21 11:02:40 <alfa21> epsilon_thumbd
Nov 21 11:02:55 <Ainulindale> Will try to solve that
Nov 21 11:03:12 <alfa21> tnx u very much
Nov 21 11:03:29 <Ainulindale> (that's a problem of runtime depends to me)
Nov 21 11:04:17 <alfa21> spank spank, Ainulindale ;)
Nov 21 11:06:27 <Ainulindale> I have no epsilon_thumbsd whatsoever
Nov 21 11:07:02 <alfa21> me too :P maybe an unsolved dependency?
Nov 21 11:07:33 <alfa21> I think it should be required by opkg install omview
Nov 21 11:09:05 <Ainulindale> Indeed, but I can't find the binary anywhere
Nov 21 11:12:00 <Hire> :/
Nov 21 11:12:34 <Ainulindale> Ok, trying r32
Nov 21 11:12:57 <BluesLee> Hire: hi
Nov 21 11:13:16 <Hire> hi
Nov 21 11:13:36 <BluesLee> Hire: you also think that we need an analog clock?
Nov 21 11:14:00 <BluesLee> s/analog/digital
Nov 21 11:14:01 <Hire> i trying to disable it
Nov 21 11:14:23 <Hire> and put into default.edc the digital clock
Nov 21 11:14:33 <BluesLee> there is one?
Nov 21 11:14:43 <Hire> the old one illume theme
Nov 21 11:14:58 <BluesLee> can i do it manually
Nov 21 11:15:00 <sakkara> is it normal that in shr enlightenment always takes >20% cpu?
Nov 21 11:15:13 <Ainulindale> No it isn't
Nov 21 11:15:28 <Ainulindale> Did you enable any kind of shelf gadget?
Nov 21 11:15:31 <Hire> BluesLee: sure?
Nov 21 11:15:55 <sakkara> yes, gsm, wifi, clock, battery
Nov 21 11:15:59 <BluesLee> Hire: where ist this default.edc located?
Nov 21 11:16:16 <alfa21> I'm searching in the src tree of omview
Nov 21 11:16:20 <Ainulindale> sakkara: try to remove wifi and try again
Nov 21 11:16:30 <BluesLee> Hire: and where do i get the old theme?
Nov 21 11:16:36 <Hire> BluesLee: you have to decompress the illume.edj file
Nov 21 11:16:39 <sakkara> Ainulindale: ok, i
Nov 21 11:16:44 <alfa21> the only thing I see is #include <Epsilon.h>
Nov 21 11:16:46 <sakkara> 'll try
Nov 21 11:16:49 <Hire> you have to download an old image of 2008.9
Nov 21 11:16:49 <BluesLee> Hire: ohh
Nov 21 11:17:02 <Ainulindale> alfa21: I know that, it's supposed to be shipped by libepsilon, but it isn't
Nov 21 11:17:05 <BluesLee> Hire: they removed the old images:-)
Nov 21 11:17:25 <BluesLee> i have a backup i think
Nov 21 11:17:49 <BluesLee> i will open a ticket for that:-)
Nov 21 11:19:50 <sakkara> Ainulindale: S 21.0  9.8  39:55.49 enlightenment, hm still 21% =(
Nov 21 11:20:26 <Ainulindale> sakkara: remove every shelf gadget
Nov 21 11:20:31 <Ainulindale> And try again
Nov 21 11:20:32 <sakkara> ok
Nov 21 11:21:22 <BluesLee> Ticket #117 (new task)
Nov 21 11:21:37 <Ainulindale> alfa21: did you see it working, anyway?
Nov 21 11:21:43 <Ainulindale> Here it just won't
Nov 21 11:21:48 <Ainulindale> I can't even open a file
Nov 21 11:21:53 <Ainulindale> It'll segfault
Nov 21 11:22:04 <alfa21> on SHR never working... on FDOM always
Nov 21 11:22:24 <Ainulindale> Then could you tell me which are the dependencies, and what is the output, and which package installes epsilon_thumbsd ?
Nov 21 11:22:31 <Ainulindale> (epsilon_thumbd sorry)
Nov 21 11:23:16 <alfa21> umh... it's installed by default on FDOM
Nov 21 11:23:32 <sakkara> Ainulindale: 16%-18% now, still very high... nothing is running expect top, and no shelf-gadgets
Nov 21 11:23:44 <Ainulindale> sakkara: then strace the pid
Nov 21 11:23:58 <Ainulindale> alfa21: which package installs the binary?
Nov 21 11:24:04 <Hire> BluesLee: download the om2008.9-updates
Nov 21 11:24:29 <BluesLee> Hire: i opened the above ticket
Nov 21 11:24:44 <alfa21> Ainulindale: I do not know because I find it already installed in fdom by default and it's working
Nov 21 11:25:05 <alfa21> I do not need to install anything using opkg
Nov 21 11:25:08 <Ainulindale> alfa21: use opkg to find that
Nov 21 11:25:15 <Ainulindale> opkg files epsilon_thumbd
Nov 21 11:25:17 <Ainulindale> or something like that
Nov 21 11:25:34 <Ainulindale> (will try to see why it doesn't  come with epsilon_thumbd here, but that's an epsilon problem to me)
Nov 21 11:25:51 <alfa21> ok, I'll do that asap, I'll tell you in the ticket as a reply
Nov 21 11:25:59 <Ainulindale> thanks
Nov 21 11:26:59 <alfa21> hi furester !!!
Nov 21 11:28:08 <sakkara> Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/d47691275
Nov 21 11:28:29 <Ainulindale> sakkara: that's weird
Nov 21 11:28:33 <Ainulindale> do you have hidden gadgets?
Nov 21 11:28:45 <sakkara> well the configure one
Nov 21 11:29:10 <Ainulindale> Hmm
Nov 21 11:29:12 <Ainulindale> is frameeworkd launched?
Nov 21 11:29:30 <alfa21> Ainulindale: about the shelf battery gadget... why if i tap on it I cannot see the remaining charge? I seen that on some other distro based on the same enlightment gui
Nov 21 11:29:39 <sakkara> yes, it is
Nov 21 11:29:59 <Ainulindale> sakkara: then I have no clue, keep that log and show it to raster
Nov 21 11:30:10 <sakkara> ok, thank you
Nov 21 11:30:40 <Ainulindale> alfa21: I can't understand why, but it seems the epsilon package doesn't install the epsilon binary
Nov 21 11:33:20 <alfa21> Ainulindale: my last message was not epsilon related :P ;)
Nov 21 11:33:40 <Zorkman> hi, does SHR store sms'es only on SIM??
Nov 21 11:34:04 <Zorkman> because i have 8 messages and i get a notification that my memory is full and i will not receive sms'es until i delete some
Nov 21 11:34:31 <Hire> Zorkman: for now SHR stores sms only on SIM
Nov 21 11:34:59 <Zorkman> thanks for the info
Nov 21 11:35:21 <alfa21> and where the addressbook?
Nov 21 11:35:32 <Zorkman> is there an ETA on an improved sms/phone ui? (thought you guys were waiting for an opimd stuff?)
Nov 21 11:35:41 <BluesLee> Hire: what about the sent messages, are those also stored on sim generally?
Nov 21 11:35:59 <Zorkman> they are not stored BluesLee
Nov 21 11:36:09 <Zorkman> they are nowhere to be found
Nov 21 11:36:14 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: we're waiting for it, yes
Nov 21 11:36:19 <Hire> BluesLee: no, without opimd it isn't possible 
Nov 21 11:36:27 <Zorkman> Ainulindale: can i check the status of it anywhere online?
Nov 21 11:36:40 <BluesLee> Hire: i mean in general on other phones
Nov 21 11:36:50 <Hire> BluesLee: sure
Nov 21 11:37:09 <Zorkman> BluesLee: on my previous phone it was in the phone memory
Nov 21 11:37:16 <Zorkman> (because my sim has very little space)
Nov 21 11:37:16 <BluesLee> so i will get a problem as i cannot see the sent one and i cannot remove them?
Nov 21 11:37:41 <BluesLee> okay i got it
Nov 21 11:37:49 <BluesLee> shr does not store them
Nov 21 11:38:08 <dcordes> what time is it in .tw?
Nov 21 11:38:23 <dcordes> I need somebody to fix that mailman
Nov 21 11:38:29 <alfa21> Hire: where the address book is stored in shr?
Nov 21 11:38:40 <Hire> alfa21: SIM
Nov 21 11:38:45 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: yes, on fso git
Nov 21 11:38:51 <alfa21> k, tnx
Nov 21 11:38:52 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r0024e64460c4 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (info/info.vala power/power.vala): Return types of GetInfo from Power and GetCpuInfo from Info match FSO API sepcs now
Nov 21 11:38:53 <BluesLee> dcordes: http://www.weltzeit.com/zeitzonenkarte.php
Nov 21 11:41:34 <Ainulindale> Ok, seems the epsilon package doesn't install the binaries
Nov 21 11:41:37 <Ainulindale> I don't know why
Nov 21 11:46:46 <Ainulindale> mickey|zzZZzz
Nov 21 11:46:50 <Ainulindale> Problem with the epsilon package
Nov 21 11:49:20 <Ainulindale> Well, omview seems a bit crappy to me, won't just work properly
Nov 21 11:50:20 <Ainulindale> At least, won't work properly with latest epsilon
Nov 21 11:50:59 <Zorkman> Ainulindale: is it a know bug that the "receiving new sms" black screen doesn't close when you try to close it with the ui? can't find it on the trac
Nov 21 11:51:44 <Zorkman> and http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ seems to be down now
Nov 21 11:52:00 <Ainulindale> Yeah it's a known bug Zorkman, are you using latest?
Nov 21 11:53:04 <alfa21> where I can find the GSM signal indicator?
Nov 21 11:53:12 <Ainulindale> settings/shelf gadgets
Nov 21 11:53:41 <Zorkman> yes, i'm using the latest, thanks for the info
Nov 21 11:54:04 <Zorkman> alfa21: but when you use the shelf gadget and reboot the phone, i've found that it doesn't ask for a pin sometimes
Nov 21 11:54:19 <Zorkman> but that was a few opkg upgrades ago, maybe it changed
Nov 21 11:54:49 <alfa21> alfa21? me?
Nov 21 11:55:06 <Zorkman> yes alfa21; you asked about the gsm signal indicatort
Nov 21 11:55:09 <Zorkman> -t
Nov 21 11:55:37 <alfa21> ah ok, ... so if i activate the gadget I'll get also the pin problem?
Nov 21 11:56:01 <alfa21> :(
Nov 21 11:56:40 <Ainulindale> alfa21: that's not possible
Nov 21 11:56:41 <Zorkman> i'm not sure, just telling you my experience
Nov 21 11:56:44 <Ainulindale> That's totally unrelated
Nov 21 11:57:16 <Ainulindale> Ophonekitd can crash, and if it crash, the behavior will be that, but that's not related at all to the gsm gadget
Nov 21 11:57:19 <Ainulindale> +es
Nov 21 11:57:47 <Zorkman> sorry to spread wrong information in that case
Nov 21 11:57:57 <Zorkman> i'll also re-enable my gsm gadget :)
Nov 21 11:59:07 <alfa21> ok, nice!
Nov 21 11:59:37 <alfa21> anyway IMHO that gadget should be enabled by default...
Nov 21 11:59:48 <Ainulindale> It is supposed to
Nov 21 11:59:52 <Ainulindale> But quickdev forgot to reput it in
Nov 21 12:04:20 <alfa21> Ainulindale: what about the battery gadget related question I asked before?
Nov 21 12:04:33 <Ainulindale> No idea, we didn't change a thing
Nov 21 12:06:01 <alfa21> mh.. ok... but isn't it only a my problem... do you see the infos or they are hidden to you too?
Nov 21 12:06:56 <Ainulindale> Hidden too
Nov 21 12:07:04 <alfa21> aah ok, fine :)
Nov 21 12:10:39 <BluesLee> one more ticket
Nov 21 12:12:20 <Ainulindale> That won't get done
Nov 21 12:12:44 <BluesLee> not done by shr 
Nov 21 12:13:01 <Ainulindale> Yep
Nov 21 12:13:02 <BluesLee> raster should do it
Nov 21 12:14:00 <BluesLee> i talked to him, his comment "scroll":-)
Nov 21 12:14:47 <BluesLee> e17 is not designed for small gadgets
Nov 21 12:15:43 <BluesLee> but illume should provide a solution for that
Nov 21 12:16:33 <BluesLee> or at least a kind of menue listing
Nov 21 12:19:22 <BluesLee> zhone separated at least the gsm apps from the rest
Nov 21 12:27:34 <Ainulindale> Argh
Nov 21 12:27:37 <Ainulindale> The new SMS sound is just horrible
Nov 21 12:27:40 <Ainulindale> I hate you mickey|zzZZzz 
Nov 21 12:27:44 <snake> %)
Nov 21 12:29:14 <snake> who know how disable suspend in FSO? I'm sitting via gprs and when no inet connection it go to suspend....
Nov 21 12:31:35 <snake> found solve of that issue - i run ping of google in screen terminal, but it is traffic....
Nov 21 12:32:39 <Ainulindale> alphaone: there's a bug with messagetone, gst seems to consider it's playing even when it's not
Nov 21 12:39:47 <BluesLee> did someone tried qi?
Nov 21 12:40:39 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 21 12:40:58 <Zorkman> not me
Nov 21 12:41:49 <BluesLee> 2:38 for shr is a lot
Nov 21 12:43:09 <Ainulindale> 2:38 what?
Nov 21 12:43:12 <Ainulindale> Boot time?
Nov 21 12:43:15 <Zorkman> seconds boot time
Nov 21 12:43:29 <BluesLee> maybe with old images? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi
Nov 21 12:45:00 <Zorkman> something strange with my shr now... the phone is not suspended, but screen is black and pressing the TS doesn't power on the screen
Nov 21 12:45:15 <Zorkman> if i press power it suspends, I have to press aux to make the screen reappear
Nov 21 12:45:24 <BluesLee> i dont understand that behaviour
Nov 21 12:45:31 <elserpiente> Zorkman : same issue but i got wsod :)
Nov 21 12:45:42 <BluesLee> sometimes i have to press the screen sometimes not
Nov 21 12:45:42 <Zorkman> it's like the phone is "locked" and pressing aux unlocks it
Nov 21 12:46:12 <Zorkman> WSOD seems like the only bug i haven't had (and #666 because i use an old sim card)
Nov 21 12:46:33 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt_?
Nov 21 12:48:11 <elserpiente> sorry, thought you about FSO
Nov 21 12:52:06 <Zorkman> "Arkanoid_PSID.sid;tune=3" how many tunes are there in a sid file?
Nov 21 12:53:35 <Zorkman> hmm i'll look it up
Nov 21 13:12:27 <BluesLee> Hire: ping
Nov 21 13:14:50 <Ainulindale> alfa21: the behavior is weiiird
Nov 21 13:15:01 <Ainulindale> alfa21: it lists some *.desktop file
Nov 21 13:15:09 <Zorkman> after a reboot the screen dims and pressing the TS doesn't bring back max brightness...
Nov 21 13:15:10 <Ainulindale> but it doesn't list my png
Nov 21 13:15:36 <Ainulindale> (in ~)
Nov 21 13:15:52 <Ainulindale> Though it works fine for ~/Desktop
Nov 21 13:16:03 <Ainulindale> That's weird
Nov 21 13:16:36 <dcordes> stefan_schmidt_ ping
Nov 21 13:17:58 <Ainulindale> Damn
Nov 21 13:18:01 <Ainulindale> That was just coincidental
Nov 21 13:18:09 <Ainulindale> Ok, alfa21 
Nov 21 13:18:10 <Ainulindale> It is working here
Nov 21 13:18:11 <Zorkman> Ainulindale: do you know what the max volume is for the ring-volume and message-volume in /etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/conf/phone/*.yaml ?
Nov 21 13:18:28 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: No idea, that's why I hate that setting =)
Nov 21 13:18:34 <Zorkman> ^^
Nov 21 13:19:24 <Zorkman> and isn't there an x11vnc anymore?
Nov 21 13:19:46 <Zorkman> it was available for 2008.x
Nov 21 13:19:57 <Ainulindale> Well, nobody requested, so I didn't install it
Nov 21 13:20:24 * Zorkman kindly requests it :)
Nov 21 13:20:38 <Zorkman> not to be in the default image, but maybe jsut opkg installable?
Nov 21 13:20:38 <Ainulindale> Ok then
Nov 21 13:20:41 <Ainulindale> Compiling now
Nov 21 13:20:43 <Zorkman> thanks very much
Nov 21 13:20:43 <Ainulindale> Yep
Nov 21 13:21:05 <Zorkman> i really like it since i don't haven an usb keyboard or bluetooth one
Nov 21 13:21:19 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: Heeeeeeeeeeeeeey
Nov 21 13:21:25 * Ainulindale turns into Fonzie
Nov 21 13:21:36 <stefan_schmidt> hi Ainulindale 
Nov 21 13:21:49 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: I have loads of problems here :-)
Nov 21 13:21:59 <Ainulindale> If you have time, one is OE, one is GST/odeviced
Nov 21 13:22:06 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: heh, no surprise
Nov 21 13:22:23 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: Today is really bad. Need to prepare EZX patches for arm-linux-kernel
Nov 21 13:22:27 <Ainulindale> Damn
Nov 21 13:22:39 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: Give me a hint for the OE one
Nov 21 13:22:43 <Zorkman> btw: Ainulindale: in all other distro's it seems there is an sftp server standard, i want to install one on SHR, will gnome-vfs-plugin-sftp or openssh-sftp work out of the box? (meaning i don't have to configure a thing:))
Nov 21 13:22:49 <Ainulindale> epsilon doesn't write the package epsilon
Nov 21 13:22:51 <Ainulindale> I don't know why
Nov 21 13:22:59 <Ainulindale> In fact, I might know why
Nov 21 13:23:09 <Ainulindale> It writes libepsilon
Nov 21 13:23:17 <Ainulindale> But not epsilon, which contains the binaries
Nov 21 13:23:22 <Ainulindale> So either it's deprecated
Nov 21 13:23:32 <Ainulindale> Or the bb recipe is missing some FILES_{PN}
Nov 21 13:23:46 <Ainulindale> (that's what I did to have the binaries)
Nov 21 13:23:56 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: supposedly yes
Nov 21 13:24:12 <dcordes> stefan_schmidt hi. I prepared a mail but ml does not like ne
Nov 21 13:24:13 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: let me try it and I'll tell you
Nov 21 13:24:43 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: hmm, let me have a short look and think about it while under the shower.
Nov 21 13:24:51 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: strange
Nov 21 13:24:54 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: You're just taking your shower?
Nov 21 13:24:55 <Ainulindale> Man
Nov 21 13:25:02 <Ainulindale> It's almost 15!
Nov 21 13:25:11 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: When did you try? We have some DNS troubles right now. PErhaps a asideeffect
Nov 21 13:25:24 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: Well, I hacked until 4am
Nov 21 13:25:30 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: I'll add openssh-sftp-server to the image
Nov 21 13:25:35 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: But yes, a bit late :)
Nov 21 13:25:35 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: meanwhile it works well
Nov 21 13:26:07 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: On the other hand I planned friday to be my EZX day. And only sending patches was on the todo.
Nov 21 13:27:44 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: Which ml did you try?
Nov 21 13:27:57 <Zorkman> Ainulindale: yes it works well
Nov 21 13:28:38 <Zorkman> Ainulindale; regurally the dialer and the messages app won't launch (till i reboot; or probably also restarting the framework) and i get this error message: http://pastebin.com/m5455f7a7
Nov 21 13:28:53 <Zorkman> but i can't acces the trac at the moment
Nov 21 13:29:13 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: shr trac is working
Nov 21 13:29:35 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: if this happen each time after an opkg upgrade
Nov 21 13:29:35 <Ainulindale> that's currently normal
Nov 21 13:29:37 <Ainulindale> Even if we should fix that
Nov 21 13:29:46 <Ainulindale> If you restart frameworkd
Nov 21 13:29:49 <Ainulindale> You should restart ophonekitd
Nov 21 13:30:01 <Ainulindale> (killall -9 ophonekitd; DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd&)
Nov 21 13:30:09 <Zorkman> nope, it also happens withouth opkg upgrade
Nov 21 13:30:17 <Ainulindale> Then it's an ophonekitd crash
Nov 21 13:30:19 <Ainulindale> And I'm interested in the logs
Nov 21 13:30:27 <Ainulindale> (/tmp)
Nov 21 13:31:24 <Zorkman> (/tmp? ? i'll post my logread, do you need some more info?
Nov 21 13:32:05 <Zorkman> (strange, this time messages crashes, but dialer doesn't)
Nov 21 13:32:38 <Ainulindale> Are you talking about SHR or not?
Nov 21 13:32:48 <Zorkman> jup
Nov 21 13:32:59 <Ainulindale> Then log is in /tmp
Nov 21 13:33:47 <Zorkman> ophonekitd.log i presume
Nov 21 13:39:43 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: indeed :-)
Nov 21 13:39:57 <Ainulindale> We thought of naming it "cucumber.log"
Nov 21 13:40:04 <Ainulindale> But it wasn't fitting our naming policies
Nov 21 13:40:21 <Zorkman> :)
Nov 21 13:40:31 <Zorkman> yeah yeah whatever, noob and not ashamed of it :)
Nov 21 13:41:03 <Ainulindale> I wasn't saying that, don't worry :-)
Nov 21 13:41:15 <Zorkman> no offense taken
Nov 21 13:41:20 <Zorkman> damn, ijsut keep collecting bugs
Nov 21 13:41:29 <Zorkman> now the phone suspends and nothing i do wakes it up...
Nov 21 13:41:35 <Zorkman> i never had this problem with shr...
Nov 21 13:41:55 <Zorkman> pressing powerbutton has no effect
Nov 21 13:42:57 <Ainulindale> Hmpf
Nov 21 13:43:22 <quickdev> Hey
Nov 21 13:43:29 <Ainulindale> quickdev: hey
Nov 21 13:43:40 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I need some screen from you
Nov 21 13:43:52 <quickdev> mh?
Nov 21 13:43:55 <Ainulindale> An event for "rerequest gsm resource"
Nov 21 13:44:08 <Ainulindale> with yes/no
Nov 21 13:44:29 <Ainulindale> Giving an answer to ophonekitd
Nov 21 13:45:35 <quickdev> yeah, ok
Nov 21 13:45:46 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: are you yorick?
Nov 21 13:45:48 <Ainulindale> (122?)
Nov 21 13:46:08 <quickdev> dolf1074, here?
Nov 21 13:46:14 <dolf1074> yup
Nov 21 13:46:44 <quickdev> dolf1074, http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/95 <- your one?
Nov 21 13:46:51 <dolf1074> yes
Nov 21 13:47:06 <quickdev> comment ;)
Nov 21 13:47:19 <dolf1074> okay, I know what I have to do the next few minute :)
Nov 21 13:47:52 <quickdev> had the same before, perfect now :)
Nov 21 13:51:20 <dolf1074> That would be nice, because it borked the onscreen keyboard in the event of creating a SMS message. (It presses the ok or canel button randomless)
Nov 21 13:53:42 <dolf1074> btw. I had these settings in mind for the shr-settings app: http://pastebin.com/m766c8f33
Nov 21 13:55:25 <dolf1074> quickdev: yes, it works perfect now :)
Nov 21 13:55:34 <quickdev> grat
Nov 21 13:56:15 <Hire> BluesLee: what?
Nov 21 13:57:46 <dolf1074> Are these settings doable with the software/backends we have at the moment?
Nov 21 13:58:02 <Ainulindale> Sort of
Nov 21 13:58:07 <Ainulindale> Airplane is doable
Nov 21 13:58:13 <Ainulindale> Wallpaper, I think so but I don't know
Nov 21 13:58:20 <Ainulindale> The other one are
Nov 21 13:58:41 <Ainulindale> Except PIN security IIRC
Nov 21 13:59:06 <quickdev> Wallpaper is already in E
Nov 21 13:59:23 <dolf1074> Is PIN security scheduled for getting in framework?
Nov 21 13:59:34 <alfa21> hi, here I am again :)
Nov 21 14:00:10 <dolf1074> Ainulindale, quickdev, do you know other settings that have to be in the settings manager?
Nov 21 14:00:33 <quickdev> dolf1074, no..not atm :)
Nov 21 14:02:43 <Ainulindale> mickeyl?
Nov 21 14:02:55 <mickeyl> whatsup?
Nov 21 14:03:13 <dcordes> stefan_schmidt sorry hadwork to do. I'm trying the devel list
Nov 21 14:03:14 <mickeyl> PIN security settings? done
Nov 21 14:03:21 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: I have a little OE problem with epsilon
Nov 21 14:03:30 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: it won't package the binaries
Nov 21 14:03:35 <dolf1074> mickeyl: nice
Nov 21 14:03:39 <Ainulindale> I was wondering if it was normal
Nov 21 14:03:47 <mickeyl> dolf1074: at least the basic one
Nov 21 14:03:55 <mickeyl> not the sophisticated facility lock stuff
Nov 21 14:03:57 <mickeyl> yet
Nov 21 14:04:03 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: which binaries are you missing/expecting?
Nov 21 14:04:12 <Ainulindale> epsilon, epsilon_thumbd
Nov 21 14:04:14 <Ainulindale> Notably
Nov 21 14:04:18 <mickeyl> ok, will take a look
Nov 21 14:04:22 <Ainulindale> Every binary built in the install dir isn't included
Nov 21 14:04:23 <BluesLee> Hire: in the icon launcher i can choose between large and very large, can i set it between somewhere so that the icons fit 3x4 on the screen
Nov 21 14:04:43 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: telling you that because I packaged omview
Nov 21 14:04:51 <Ainulindale> Though this would be a great addition to SHR
Nov 21 14:04:55 <BluesLee> Hire: need to set the icon size between large and very large, how?
Nov 21 14:05:10 <dcordes> mickeyl can you help with ml? can't find roh
Nov 21 14:05:22 <mickeyl> i no longer have access, sorry
Nov 21 14:05:26 <mickeyl> try mailing him
Nov 21 14:05:35 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: And I pinpointed a problem with gst/message tone
Nov 21 14:05:38 <dcordes> I emailed mailman@....
Nov 21 14:05:45 <dcordes> no reply so far.
Nov 21 14:05:49 <mickeyl> roh@openmoko.org, gismo@openmoko.org
Nov 21 14:05:58 <dcordes> ok thanls
Nov 21 14:06:32 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: I have a good log for my issue I just gave alfa21 
Nov 21 14:06:37 <Ainulindale> s/alfa21/alphaone/
Nov 21 14:06:55 <alfa21> lol :D
Nov 21 14:07:09 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: http://pastebin.com/m3b545b94
Nov 21 14:07:18 <Ainulindale> GST doesn't seem to return as READY
Nov 21 14:07:28 <Ainulindale> Thus, if you try to play the messagetone twice
Nov 21 14:07:30 <Ainulindale> It won't work
Nov 21 14:07:31 <Hire> BluesLee: you have to go into config of illume
Nov 21 14:07:33 <Hire> launcher
Nov 21 14:07:37 <Hire> and set "very large"
Nov 21 14:07:38 <Ainulindale> I have a rule example for that
Nov 21 14:08:09 <Ainulindale> I was wondering if GST was afraid of this ringtone
Nov 21 14:08:12 <BluesLee> Hire: very large is to much, need something in between large and very large
Nov 21 14:08:18 <dolf1074> bitbake -c build isn't working anymore because freesmartphone.org is down. Something I can do about that?
Nov 21 14:08:22 <alfa21> where I can find any info about opimd? homepage/track of that project?
Nov 21 14:08:46 <Ainulindale> alfa21: on freesmartphone.org
Nov 21 14:08:48 <mickeyl> dolf1074: try reading the topic of this channel
Nov 21 14:08:51 <Hire> BluesLee: you have to edit the edc files of illume
Nov 21 14:08:51 <Zorkman> Ainulindale: when i release a call, i can't remove the "call is active "0499xxxxxx"" screen is this a known bug?
Nov 21 14:09:35 <quickdev> Zorkman, yes
Nov 21 14:09:36 <quickdev> fixing that atm
Nov 21 14:09:37 <dolf1074> mickeyl: I read it, but not far enough :s
Nov 21 14:09:47 <mickeyl> :)
Nov 21 14:09:50 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I fixed some timeouts in ophonekitd
Nov 21 14:10:19 <quickdev> ok
Nov 21 14:11:32 <Ainulindale> Though we should think about a good way to handle these timeouts
Nov 21 14:11:42 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: any idea on my questions? :-)
Nov 21 14:11:56 <Ainulindale> oh and quickdev 
Nov 21 14:12:02 <Ainulindale> I switched SHR image from you to me in trac
Nov 21 14:12:03 <Zorkman> ok, nice quickdev (the "information" and "recieving new sms" also suffer from the same error but you'll probably also know that)
Nov 21 14:12:08 <Ainulindale> To avoid some spam on your side
Nov 21 14:12:14 <Ainulindale> And mainly because I'm maintaining the image
Nov 21 14:12:20 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: openmoko-devel? For the freesmartphone stuff we use different ml's
Nov 21 14:12:39 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: EZX
Nov 21 14:12:48 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I have never even got 1 message from trac ;)
Nov 21 14:13:01 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: exactly, sorry for your epsilon problem has to wait.
Nov 21 14:13:21 <stefan_schmidt> dcordes: Please see www.freesmartphone.org for the lists when it is back. (DNS trouble).
Nov 21 14:13:27 * stefan_schmidt is off here. later guys
Nov 21 14:13:33 <Ainulindale> quickdev: woh, that's weird
Nov 21 14:17:11 <quickdev> first snow here :)
Nov 21 14:17:22 <Zorkman> here also
Nov 21 14:17:31 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rcea5d66cb462 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (helpers.py modems/ti_calypso/modem.py): 
Nov 21 14:17:31 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: improve suspend/resume UART handling -- closes #31
Nov 21 14:17:31 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: WARNING: this needs testing!
Nov 21 14:17:35 <Zorkman> well, hagel where i am, a few km away first snow
Nov 21 14:18:06 <Ainulindale> Damn, mickeyl is faking work to avoid answering to me :-)
Nov 21 14:18:27 <Hire> he prefer work then talk with you :D
Nov 21 14:18:46 <quickdev> Hire, it's than in that context ;)
Nov 21 14:18:58 <Hire> and preferS
Nov 21 14:19:00 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: i don't answer out of the blue
Nov 21 14:19:02 <Hire> yes, I know it :D
Nov 21 14:19:05 <mickeyl> i'm working on reproducing the problem
Nov 21 14:19:12 <mickeyl> in parallel building something to check your other problem
Nov 21 14:19:14 <mickeyl> etc. etc.
Nov 21 14:19:14 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: I know, I was joking :-)
Nov 21 14:19:28 <mickeyl> k, bad weather is giving me a headache today
Nov 21 14:19:29 <Ainulindale> quickdev: is there a ticket for the window not closing bug?
Nov 21 14:19:32 <mickeyl> plus DNS problems i can't fix
Nov 21 14:19:33 <mickeyl> *sigh*
Nov 21 14:19:35 <quickdev> Ainulindale, yes
Nov 21 14:19:36 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: nasty thing, I know that :-/
Nov 21 14:19:37 * mickeyl bad mood today
Nov 21 14:19:41 <Ainulindale> I have chronical headaches myself
Nov 21 14:19:44 <Ainulindale> quickdev: # please?
Nov 21 14:19:50 <Ainulindale> (I'm closing tickets as duplicates)
Nov 21 14:19:50 <quickdev> http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/112
Nov 21 14:20:11 <Ainulindale> Ok thought this was more ancient
Nov 21 14:22:07 <dcordes> mickeyl ok I emailed both of them.
Nov 21 14:22:30 <mrmoku> quickdev: I'm also having #112 - in case you need info
Nov 21 14:23:00 <mickeyl> uah
Nov 21 14:23:01 <mickeyl> i suck
Nov 21 14:23:17 <mickeyl> i guess i _never_ tried what happens to the state machine when you don't stop a sound
Nov 21 14:23:21 <mickeyl> but let it play until the end
Nov 21 14:23:28 * mickeyl grabs another coffee and opens the window
Nov 21 14:23:39 <mickeyl> fixing timeeeeeeee
Nov 21 14:23:49 <quickdev> Ainulindale, ophonekitd segfaults here..if I want to restart it
Nov 21 14:24:02 <Ainulindale> Restart what?
Nov 21 14:24:13 <quickdev> ophonekitd
Nov 21 14:24:21 <Ainulindale> How?
Nov 21 14:24:27 <Ainulindale> killall -9 then ophonekitd& ?
Nov 21 14:24:30 <quickdev> I killed it..and then restarted it
Nov 21 14:24:51 <mickeyl> uuuh NO!
Nov 21 14:24:58 <mickeyl> aargh
Nov 21 14:25:03 <mickeyl> i forgot something important wrt. SID engine
Nov 21 14:25:04 <Hire> yeeesssss
Nov 21 14:25:10 <mickeyl> it's impossible to find out when a song ends
Nov 21 14:25:18 <mickeyl> *sigh*
Nov 21 14:25:35 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: meh :-)
Nov 21 14:25:40 <mickeyl> as the c64 emulator has no idea about that
Nov 21 14:25:43 <Ainulindale> quickdev: full log please?
Nov 21 14:25:48 <mickeyl> you would have to inspect whether it's playing zeros or something
Nov 21 14:25:51 <mickeyl> but that's pretty CPU intensive
Nov 21 14:26:09 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I didn't add DISPLAY=:0.0 - anyway a segfault shouldn't happen then :)
Nov 21 14:26:25 <Ainulindale> Segfault is always happening without display
Nov 21 14:26:31 <Ainulindale> But my guess is that it's your fault :-)
Nov 21 14:26:44 <Ainulindale> quickdev: see the diff, didn't add much
Nov 21 14:28:15 <mickeyl> mickey@localhost:/local/pkg/oe/fic-gta02$ ipkgfiles /local/pkg/oe/fic-gta02/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/libepsilon-tests_0.3.0.012+svnr37395-r3.1_armv4t.ipk
Nov 21 14:28:16 <mickeyl> drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2008-11-21 15:24 ./
Nov 21 14:28:16 <mickeyl> drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2008-11-21 15:24 ./usr/
Nov 21 14:28:16 <mickeyl> drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2008-11-21 15:24 ./usr/bin/
Nov 21 14:28:16 <mickeyl> -rwxr-xr-x root/root      6244 2008-11-21 15:24 ./usr/bin/epsilon
Nov 21 14:28:18 <mickeyl> -rwxr-xr-x root/root     12372 2008-11-21 15:24 ./usr/bin/epsilon_thumbd
Nov 21 14:28:19 <mickeyl> -rwxr-xr-x root/root      7700 2008-11-21 15:24 ./usr/bin/epsilon_thumb_test
Nov 21 14:28:22 <mickeyl> there are your binaries
Nov 21 14:28:27 <Ainulindale> libepsilon-tests?!
Nov 21 14:28:39 <Ainulindale> What is this mess
Nov 21 14:29:11 <quickdev> Ainulindale, omview is a image viewer?
Nov 21 14:29:16 <Ainulindale> Why lib, and why tests in the first place?
Nov 21 14:29:18 <Ainulindale> quickdev: yes
Nov 21 14:29:24 <quickdev> image viewer wourld be really great
Nov 21 14:30:05 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: is it what it's generating now?
Nov 21 14:30:18 <mickeyl> ya
Nov 21 14:30:33 <Ainulindale> It seems so weird
Nov 21 14:30:36 <Ainulindale> package name is epsilon
Nov 21 14:30:45 <Ainulindale> it generates a library which is named libepsilon and I'm good with that
Nov 21 14:31:00 <mickeyl> shlib renaming can suck at times
Nov 21 14:31:03 <Ainulindale> but why the hell did you put the binaries in a libepsilon-test package? :-)
Nov 21 14:31:04 <mickeyl> i never bothered to fix that
Nov 21 14:31:12 <Ainulindale> Oh ok
Nov 21 14:31:17 <Ainulindale> Anyway, thanks :-)
Nov 21 14:31:20 <mickeyl> np
Nov 21 14:31:24 <Ainulindale> Pity I didn't see them
Nov 21 14:31:40 <mickeyl> take a look into the efl.bbclass
Nov 21 14:31:46 <mickeyl> there you see how it packages the stuff by default
Nov 21 14:32:18 <mickeyl> i should improve epsilon
Nov 21 14:32:24 <mickeyl> let me take a stab
Nov 21 14:34:03 <mickeyl> does libepsilon _need_ the thumb damon and epsilon?
Nov 21 14:34:07 <mickeyl> or just works better with 'em?
Nov 21 14:35:07 <Ainulindale> I have not a single idea
Nov 21 14:35:11 <mickeyl> hehe
Nov 21 14:35:13 <mickeyl> ok
Nov 21 14:35:17 <mickeyl> that goes for a RRECOMMENDS then
Nov 21 14:35:19 <Ainulindale> I asked the same question to the omview developer
Nov 21 14:35:39 <mickeyl> where's raster if you need him...
Nov 21 14:35:51 <Ainulindale> by the way mickeyl 
Nov 21 14:35:57 <Ainulindale> starling crashes a lot
Nov 21 14:36:02 <Ainulindale> the srcrev doesn't seem up to date
Nov 21 14:37:00 <mickeyl> ok, we should bump that
Nov 21 14:37:07 <Ainulindale> I was trying to find a good rev
Nov 21 14:37:09 <Ainulindale> But couldn't see one
Nov 21 14:37:13 <mickeyl> Packaged contents of epsilon-thumbd into /local/pkg/oe/fic-gta02/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/libepsilon-thumbd_0.3.0.012+svnr37395-r4.1_armv4t.ipk            
Nov 21 14:37:15 <mickeyl> ok there you go
Nov 21 14:37:25 <mickeyl> libepsilon will now RRECOMMENds that
Nov 21 14:37:28 <quickdev> Ainulindale, that bug (window not disappearing) is a ophonekitd issue. We manage the incoming calls (wether there are multiple INCOMING_CALL signals), but we do not check the OUTGOING_CALL signal for more than one call. We have to handle that, too.
Nov 21 14:37:28 <Ainulindale> libepsilon, hmmhmhmpf :-)
Nov 21 14:37:36 <quickdev> Ainulindale, should I try to add that function?
Nov 21 14:37:37 <mickeyl> shlib renaming... nothing i can fix there
Nov 21 14:37:41 <mickeyl> without diggin into bb
Nov 21 14:37:43 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I'll do that :-)
Nov 21 14:37:44 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: ok
Nov 21 14:37:49 <quickdev> Ainulindale, now? :)
Nov 21 14:37:52 <Ainulindale> quickdev: yes
Nov 21 14:37:55 <quickdev> great
Nov 21 14:38:31 <mickeyl> *pusing*
Nov 21 14:38:35 <mickeyl> pushing, even
Nov 21 14:38:41 <dolf1074> probably a dumb question. But I haven't had much experience with make file. If I want to change the execution name of openmoko-messages3, what should I do? I found already that I have to rename 'bin_PROGRAMS', what else?
Nov 21 14:39:00 <Ainulindale> quickdev: could you please reexplain the problem more properly? :-)
Nov 21 14:39:19 <alfa21> I love you guys! U're dividing bits in two! ^_^ hurray to you!
Nov 21 14:39:59 <Ainulindale> quickdev: hop could it cause a problem?
Nov 21 14:40:07 <quickdev> Ainulindale, have a look adt ophonekitd-main.c. Compare "case CALL_STATUS_INCOMING:" with "case CALL_STATUS_OUTGOING:". Outgoing is not handled properly.
Nov 21 14:40:29 <quickdev> Ainulindale, "phonegui_outgoing_call_show(call_id, status, number);" is called twice for _ONE_ outgoing call.
Nov 21 14:40:36 <quickdev> so 2 windows are created
Nov 21 14:40:42 <quickdev> if you close one...there's still another
Nov 21 14:41:27 <quickdev> Ainulindale, understood the issue? it's quite simple
Nov 21 14:43:01 <Ainulindale> Why would it be called twice...
Nov 21 14:43:38 <Ainulindale> That's the question of interest here
Nov 21 14:43:47 <quickdev> Ainulindale, because the signal is emitted twice
Nov 21 14:43:48 <Ainulindale> Do we have two signals?
Nov 21 14:43:53 <quickdev> yes, exactly.
Nov 21 14:44:00 <Ainulindale> Errr, why? Rings too?
Nov 21 14:44:07 <Ainulindale> I thought there was only one signal
Nov 21 14:44:18 <Ainulindale> (for outgoing)
Nov 21 14:44:23 <quickdev> there may be multiple signals...alphaone once said that
Nov 21 14:44:27 <Ainulindale> Ok
Nov 21 14:44:33 <Ainulindale> Then please do the modification
Nov 21 14:44:39 <Ainulindale> I'm leaving in less than a quarter
Nov 21 14:44:41 <Ainulindale> (dentist)
Nov 21 14:44:44 <quickdev> ok
Nov 21 14:44:49 <Ainulindale> quickdev: if you can factorize the method
Nov 21 14:44:54 <quickdev> I will.
Nov 21 14:44:55 <Ainulindale> just call it ophonekitd_call_check
Nov 21 14:44:57 <Ainulindale> if you see what I mean :-)
Nov 21 14:44:58 <quickdev> yeah :)
Nov 21 14:45:03 <quickdev> wanted to do that :)
Nov 21 14:45:08 <Ainulindale> (please mind the pointers)
Nov 21 14:45:15 <Ainulindale> Well will check on you asap, quickdev 
Nov 21 14:45:32 <Ainulindale> We should lay down things and find out where the flaws are this sunday or tonight
Nov 21 14:45:47 <quickdev> not tonight..big party here
Nov 21 14:45:50 <quickdev> but maybe tomorrow (night)
Nov 21 14:47:03 <Ainulindale> Heh :-)
Nov 21 14:50:23 <quickdev> Ainulindale, int *incoming_calls = NULL;
Nov 21 14:50:23 <quickdev> int incoming_calls_size = 0;
Nov 21 14:50:23 <quickdev> int *outgoing_calls = NULL;
Nov 21 14:50:23 <quickdev> int outgoing_calls_size = 0;
Nov 21 14:50:41 <quickdev> or should I do one int array? but I would need to store the call type. I may use a struct, right?
Nov 21 14:50:49 <quickdev> struct call { id, type }
Nov 21 14:51:14 <Ainulindale> Well, use two structs
Nov 21 14:51:15 <Ainulindale> err
Nov 21 14:51:17 <Ainulindale> two arrays
Nov 21 14:51:23 <Ainulindale> it's significantly easier
Nov 21 14:51:28 <Ainulindale> even if it looks cleaner
Nov 21 14:53:17 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: hmmm
Nov 21 14:53:34 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: how should I put libepsilon and libepsilon-tests as RDEPENDS?
Nov 21 14:53:48 <quickdev> Ainulindale, some code duplication here? http://rafb.net/p/ytuspQ60.html
Nov 21 14:54:11 <Ainulindale> yes
Nov 21 14:54:19 <mickeyl> you probably don't need to 
Nov 21 14:54:22 <quickdev> Ainulindale, but ok?
Nov 21 14:54:30 <Ainulindale> quickdev: too many code duplicated :-)
Nov 21 14:54:34 <mickeyl> everything that links to libepsilon will have automatic shlib RDEPENDS
Nov 21 14:54:50 <mickeyl> and libepsilon will now RRECOMMENDS on libepsilon-thumbd
Nov 21 14:54:58 <Ainulindale> quickdev: pass the array and the size as ref parameters
Nov 21 14:55:06 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: should I update now then?
Nov 21 14:55:07 <quickdev> ah, yeah, ok
Nov 21 14:55:35 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: and then put DEPENDS epsilon?
Nov 21 14:56:19 <mickeyl> yes, you can update
Nov 21 14:56:24 <mickeyl> no need to change anything
Nov 21 14:56:29 <mickeyl> everythign will just work
Nov 21 14:56:37 <Ainulindale> Yes but for the package I need
Nov 21 14:56:40 <mickeyl> an app links to libepsilon -> it will RDEPEND automatic
Nov 21 14:56:42 <Ainulindale> s/need/write
Nov 21 14:56:51 <Ainulindale> Which depends on epsilon
Nov 21 14:56:58 <Ainulindale> What should I do to write that dependency?
Nov 21 14:57:12 <Ainulindale> just put DEPENDS = epsilon and that'll be good?
Nov 21 14:57:21 <mickeyl> yes
Nov 21 14:57:23 <Ainulindale> Or nothing and autotools will get the dependency, which I doubt?
Nov 21 14:57:27 <Ainulindale> Oh, ok, perfect then
Nov 21 14:57:51 <Ainulindale> Ah but I can't update
Nov 21 14:57:59 <Ainulindale> Guess I'll update later then
Nov 21 14:58:12 <Ainulindale> Ah, now, it works now
Nov 21 15:00:04 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: didn't saw your commit though
Nov 21 15:00:25 <mickeyl> are you in #oe?
Nov 21 15:00:27 <mickeyl> <CIA-26> Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey@vanille-media.de> org.openembedded.dev * r1d443e0bdc openembedded.git/packages/efl1/epsilon_svn.bb: epsilon: ship thumb daemon in a seperate package, it's not a test
Nov 21 15:00:41 <Ainulindale> Yes I am
Nov 21 15:00:44 <Ainulindale> Weird, didn't see that
Nov 21 15:02:41 <Ainulindale> Well anyway, I'm leaving for the dentist
Nov 21 15:02:43 <Ainulindale> See you
Nov 21 15:03:05 <mickeyl> cu
Nov 21 15:03:32 <Ainulindale> (You know "cul" means "ass" in french right? :-) )
Nov 21 15:04:09 <mickeyl> heh
Nov 21 15:04:10 <mickeyl> i don't
Nov 21 15:04:17 <mickeyl> my french is more or less non-existand
Nov 21 15:04:21 <mickeyl> existent
Nov 21 15:04:26 <Ainulindale> So is my german
Nov 21 15:04:29 <alfa21> see you next time, Ainulindale, regards
Nov 21 15:04:41 <Ainulindale> alfa21: currently recompiling libepsilon and omview
Nov 21 15:04:48 <Ainulindale> alfa21: by half an hour or so it should be there
Nov 21 15:04:51 <Ainulindale> MEanwhile I'm leaving
Nov 21 15:04:56 <Ainulindale> See you
Nov 21 15:05:09 <alfa21> bye and tnx
Nov 21 15:10:58 <quickdev> Ainulindale, done. Testing now
Nov 21 15:15:02 <alfa21> quickdev: Ainulindale is gone
Nov 21 15:15:16 <alfa21> (dentist)
Nov 21 15:19:37 <alfa21> I'm trying to understand something about opimd: I found it in the git tree of freesmartphone... but I do not understand at which stage of developement it is
Nov 21 15:19:54 <alfa21> is it complete?
Nov 21 15:20:09 <alfa21> what's missing?
Nov 21 15:20:40 <mickeyl> probably lots of things missing
Nov 21 15:20:43 <quickdev> alfa21, it's alreay integrated into frameworkd. YOu should have a look there
Nov 21 15:20:52 <mickeyl> state in fso is just the first code-drop as a result from GSoC 08
Nov 21 15:21:48 <alfa21> ok, but then I do not understand why http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/120#comment:1
Nov 21 15:22:31 <mickeyl> opimd is not ready yet
Nov 21 15:22:36 <mickeyl> it has never been reviewed
Nov 21 15:22:38 <mickeyl> nor completed
Nov 21 15:22:47 <mickeyl> it has just been integrated as proof of concept
Nov 21 15:22:53 <mickeyl> work on it will hopefully start soon
Nov 21 15:22:54 <alfa21> aah ok
Nov 21 15:23:10 <alfa21> something like zhone concept?
Nov 21 15:23:30 <dolf1074> no
Nov 21 15:23:34 <dolf1074> zhone is just a test application
Nov 21 15:24:04 <dolf1074> opimd was made for GSoC 08 but is never integrated
Nov 21 15:24:19 <dolf1074> Now they copy/paste all the code into the framework
Nov 21 15:24:42 <dolf1074> and they will check later if it work and start beginning bug finding/fixing
Nov 21 15:24:57 <mickeyl> yeah
Nov 21 15:25:27 <mickeyl> i'm trying to get hold of the student for quite a while
Nov 21 15:25:30 <mickeyl> he's pretty busy
Nov 21 15:25:34 <mickeyl> will ping him again
Nov 21 15:28:32 <dolf1074> It would be awesome do get it into framework. All the possibilities :)
Nov 21 15:28:45 <dolf1074> I can't wait ;)
Nov 21 15:28:59 <alfa21> yeah, me too
Nov 21 15:30:50 <quickdev> yeah, it's quite important
Nov 21 15:31:37 <alfa21> by now there is only qpe for such functionalities
Nov 21 15:32:37 <alfa21> and imho it's too tightly binded to the qtopia/qtextended distro
Nov 21 15:33:01 <alfa21> it's not "general purpose"
Nov 21 15:33:10 <alfa21> ciao furester 
Nov 21 15:45:36 <Ainulindale> There again
Nov 21 15:46:02 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: Did you think about the PROVIDE thing for frameworkd-config ?
Nov 21 15:46:19 <Ainulindale> (i.e. allow us to provide a custom frameworkd-config package)
Nov 21 15:50:27 <mickeyl> no one stops you from that
Nov 21 15:50:47 <mickeyl> just PROVIDE frameworkd-config in your frameworkd-config-shr
Nov 21 15:50:52 <mickeyl> and then adjust the image recipe accordingly
Nov 21 15:50:59 <Ainulindale> I thought this was less simple :-)
Nov 21 15:51:05 <Ainulindale> But what do you think about it?
Nov 21 15:51:16 <Ainulindale> Oh by the way mickeyl, another thing again
Nov 21 15:51:18 <mickeyl> sounds good
Nov 21 15:51:22 <Ainulindale> _append_MACHINE didn't work well for me
Nov 21 15:51:23 <Ainulindale> on tasks
Nov 21 15:51:24 <quickdev> Ainulindale, just for informtion: realloc(NULL, sizeof(int)*(*size))  <- does NULL work here?
Nov 21 15:51:31 <Ainulindale> no
Nov 21 15:51:48 <Ainulindale> you have to give it a pointer
Nov 21 15:51:56 <Ainulindale> it pointer = NULL that's a malloc
Nov 21 15:52:12 <Ainulindale> So even though it might work (can't recall)
Nov 21 15:52:15 <Ainulindale> It's a bad thing to do
Nov 21 15:52:23 <quickdev> ok, I think you did it
Nov 21 15:52:24 <mwester> Good morning.
Nov 21 15:52:35 <Ainulindale> and what is this realloc by the way?
Nov 21 15:52:50 <quickdev> shrink/extend an allocated memory region
Nov 21 15:52:56 <quickdev> hey mwester 
Nov 21 15:52:59 <mwester> http://pastebin.ca/1263564   <-------------- What's wrong with this picture?  ;)   (Hint: this is a GTA01)
Nov 21 15:53:47 <Ainulindale> Xglamo?
Nov 21 15:53:57 <mwester> Heh!   you get the prize.
Nov 21 15:53:58 <Hire> yes
Nov 21 15:54:00 <Ainulindale> Meh
Nov 21 15:54:17 <mwester> I didn't catch that until 8 hours after installed.
Nov 21 15:54:23 <Ainulindale> SHR?
Nov 21 15:54:27 <mwester> yep
Nov 21 15:54:42 <Ainulindale> Ok if you could point me to the good thing to do here
Nov 21 15:54:44 <Ainulindale> I'd be glad
Nov 21 15:54:50 <mwester> Also, enlightenment is consuming VAST amounts of cpu even when idle and blanked.
Nov 21 15:55:08 <Ainulindale> NNot here
Nov 21 15:55:19 <Hire> not here too 
Nov 21 15:55:20 <Hire> :)
Nov 21 15:55:25 <mwester> Anyway, the first quesiton I have is if the full images are supposed to be any good, or are we only using the Lite images at present?
Nov 21 15:55:52 <Ainulindale> gta02 full images are good
Nov 21 15:55:56 <Ainulindale> I use the lite myself
Nov 21 15:56:03 <Ainulindale> Because I don't care about numptyphysics and such
Nov 21 15:56:15 <mwester> Ok.  Well, they are rather broken recently, I fear.
Nov 21 15:56:21 <Ainulindale> Why is that?
Nov 21 15:56:24 <Ainulindale> The locales thing?
Nov 21 15:57:22 <mwester> Dunno - I don't know about locales.   But it starts with the language not appearing, and then the display is borked, when you prod at the menus enough you can get them to paint the screen correctly using some enlightenment settings...
Nov 21 15:57:34 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: I switched that back yesterday night
Nov 21 15:57:37 <mwester> Apparently the xming font (22MB) slipped in
Nov 21 15:57:47 <Ainulindale> And removed the xming font
Nov 21 15:57:52 <mwester> So starting anything takes 20 seconds longer than it should!
Nov 21 15:57:53 <Ainulindale> See on git
Nov 21 15:58:07 <mwester> :)
Nov 21 15:58:07 <mwester> Ok, so you're on top of these issues.
Nov 21 15:58:18 <Ainulindale> mwester: I have a bit of a problem with locales in fact
Nov 21 15:58:26 <Ainulindale> I don't really know how I should managed them in the image
Nov 21 15:58:29 <Ainulindale> -d
Nov 21 15:58:46 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: last scap looks good
Nov 21 15:58:53 <Ainulindale> Even though it's too grey :-à)
Nov 21 15:59:09 <mwester> I had a wonderfully working GTA01 yesterday afternoon, then I ran it out of space on the rootfs -- so I decided to reinstall the latest image on the SD card instead, and that's where the problems started. :(  I want my old rootfs back, it worked almost perfectly!!
Nov 21 15:59:27 <Ainulindale> mwester: I'll regenerate it in ten minutes
Nov 21 15:59:32 <Ainulindale> Just for your deer eyes
Nov 21 15:59:37 <mwester> oooh!
Nov 21 15:59:43 <Ainulindale> mwester: Though I intend to see you test that
Nov 21 16:00:13 <Ainulindale> Though now, my problem is to find out how to manage these locales
Nov 21 16:00:19 <Ainulindale> (properly)
Nov 21 16:01:01 <mwester> I are ready.  I have tucked away a whole bunch of little tools and customizations (rules.yaml and such) on the SD card so that I should be able to install a tar.gz image and restore my local settings in just a several minutes. :)
Nov 21 16:01:18 <Ainulindale> mwester: customizations of which kind?
Nov 21 16:01:19 <mwester> Ainulindale:  we also need to fix the timezone thing.  Can't run the phone on UTC forever.
Nov 21 16:01:22 <Ainulindale> (out of curiosity)
Nov 21 16:01:24 <mwester> /etc/hosts
Nov 21 16:01:28 <Ainulindale> mwester: Tell me how and I'll do that
Nov 21 16:01:30 <mwester> timezone
Nov 21 16:01:35 <mwester> that sort of thing...
Nov 21 16:02:30 <mwester> The how starts by adding at least basic timezones to the image.  The full tzdata will fit on the full images, but maybe just some common ones on the lite version.
Nov 21 16:03:03 <mwester> Then we need to see if Raster has a timezone selection thing-a-ma-jig that can run at first boot like the language selection and all.
Nov 21 16:03:33 <Ainulindale> mwester: Hmmm
Nov 21 16:03:36 <mwester> BTW, I also did some experiments with prelink -- promising.
Nov 21 16:03:44 <Ainulindale> All in all I'd rather do something to "install" it fully at first boot
Nov 21 16:03:53 <Ainulindale> i.e. append some configuration screens
Nov 21 16:04:01 <Ainulindale> Which will go and fetch the right timezones/locales and such
Nov 21 16:04:14 <Ainulindale> In order to avoid some default installation
Nov 21 16:05:29 <mwester> So there would be two classes of configurations, then?  The set that are required and bundled on the image, and the set that can be skipped if one does not have internet access at the time of install?
Nov 21 16:05:58 <Ainulindale> No internet, no configuration, IMHO
Nov 21 16:06:06 <Ainulindale> (for the latter part, timezone and such)
Nov 21 16:06:06 <mwester> For now we can just document the procedure to fix up the timezone stuff; it's really rather simple.
Nov 21 16:06:12 <Ainulindale> mwester: Agreed
Nov 21 16:06:22 <mwester> No internet, no configuration <---- the Apple iphone approach.
Nov 21 16:06:29 <Ainulindale> mwester: Yeah, I'm evil
Nov 21 16:06:32 <mwester> :p
Nov 21 16:06:34 <Ainulindale> mwester: One step at a time :-)
Nov 21 16:06:48 <Ainulindale> We could ship two images, in the end
Nov 21 16:06:48 <mwester> Yep, and the next step for me is to get testing stuff. :)
Nov 21 16:06:52 <Ainulindale> Fat and Lite
Nov 21 16:06:55 <Ainulindale> Lite downloading
Nov 21 16:06:57 <Ainulindale> Fat opkg removing
Nov 21 16:07:03 <mwester> sounds good to me.
Nov 21 16:07:15 <mwester> It's working for the 2008.x images with fdom, for example.
Nov 21 16:07:20 <Ainulindale> mwester: Interested in some coding then? :-)
Nov 21 16:07:31 <mwester> I'm not much of a coder. :(
Nov 21 16:07:38 <Ainulindale> Don't joke on me
Nov 21 16:07:57 <Ainulindale> (Next thing he'll tell me he's an artist)
Nov 21 16:08:22 <mwester> No, exactly the opposite.  I'm *not* an artist, and good code takes artistic ability.
Nov 21 16:08:30 <Ainulindale> Peh ! :-)
Nov 21 16:08:56 <Ainulindale> mwester: new perl by the way
Nov 21 16:09:00 <Ainulindale> (it seems)
Nov 21 16:09:03 <alfa21> hem... a simple stupid question: how I should poweroff my gta with shr installed?
Nov 21 16:09:05 <Ainulindale> (though I didn't regenerate the package index yet)
Nov 21 16:09:09 <Ainulindale> alfa21: long push on power
Nov 21 16:09:14 <Ainulindale> Until it shuts down
Nov 21 16:09:24 <mwester> Ah - alfa21 brings up another issue.  the latest image refused to shut down for me.
Nov 21 16:09:29 <alfa21> long push will kill it!
Nov 21 16:09:42 <Ainulindale> mwester: what do you mean?
Nov 21 16:09:51 <Ainulindale> X froze and nothing seemed to be happening?
Nov 21 16:09:55 <mwester> ssh in, type "poweroff" and X froze.
Nov 21 16:09:55 <Ainulindale> alfa21: so what? =)
Nov 21 16:10:01 <Ainulindale> mwester: known thing
Nov 21 16:10:04 <mwester> Ah, ok.
Nov 21 16:10:06 <Ainulindale> Wait for a while and it'll shut down
Nov 21 16:10:17 <mwester> A looooooooooooooooooooooong while?
Nov 21 16:10:19 <alfa21> is it a clean shutdown??
Nov 21 16:10:33 <Ainulindale> mwester: depends on your notion of length
Nov 21 16:10:39 <Ainulindale> mwester: but yes
Nov 21 16:10:39 <mwester> alfa21 sounds suspicious...
Nov 21 16:10:50 <mwester> ok, no worries then.,
Nov 21 16:10:57 <Ainulindale> Test it, and tell me
Nov 21 16:11:02 <Ainulindale> But that's not my priority right now :-/
Nov 21 16:11:07 <mwester> Yes.
Nov 21 16:11:10 <Ainulindale> I'm focusing on fixing and functionnalities
Nov 21 16:11:12 <Ainulindale> Image viewer is next
Nov 21 16:11:15 <Ainulindale> I'd like a stable media player
Nov 21 16:11:28 <Hire> media player?
Nov 21 16:11:32 <mwester> Just point me to the latest image, and I shall start testing.
Nov 21 16:11:32 <Hire> uhm ...
Nov 21 16:11:39 <Ainulindale> mwester: as soon as it hits the ground
Nov 21 16:11:47 <Ainulindale> Hire: what?
Nov 21 16:11:53 * mwester now has three sd cards available to hack with.
Nov 21 16:12:01 <Ainulindale> Hire: Need an icon for omview =)
Nov 21 16:12:07 <Hire> sure
Nov 21 16:12:10 <mwester> Hire:  there is one -- isn't the media player that bird thing?
Nov 21 16:12:10 <Hire> I will do it now
Nov 21 16:12:18 <Ainulindale> Hire: wait until I regenerate the package then
Nov 21 16:12:18 <alfa21> omview already has its icon ;)
Nov 21 16:12:20 <Hire> bird?
Nov 21 16:12:26 <Ainulindale> alfa21: not a SHR one
Nov 21 16:12:33 <alfa21> lol i know :P
Nov 21 16:12:43 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r9db2ffbbf409 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/power/power.vala: Fix the if clause.
Nov 21 16:12:44 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r705388a2d545 10/fsod/ (14 files in 12 dirs): 
Nov 21 16:12:44 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 1.) Cleanup code and handle unhandled errors gracefully
Nov 21 16:12:44 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 2.) Use log() wherever possible
Nov 21 16:12:44 <Hire> Ainulindale
Nov 21 16:12:46 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r79de9a9e7c68 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Refactor power plugin. Don't poll for status or capacity if the powersupply type is Mains
Nov 21 16:12:47 <Ainulindale> Then don't say lol. It kills me a little inside each time :-)
Nov 21 16:12:50 <Hire> i don't know where you can get it
Nov 21 16:12:56 <Ainulindale> Hire: On the buildhost :-)
Nov 21 16:13:00 <Ainulindale> Currently repackaging it
Nov 21 16:13:01 <quickdev> Ainulindale, calls[0] is producing a segfault. Maybe because calls is initialized wrong. Is this correct: http://rafb.net/p/4xWhAe53.html
Nov 21 16:13:05 <Ainulindale> Will tell you when it'll be available
Nov 21 16:13:14 <Hire> but this is good: http://www.opkg.org/package_21.html 
Nov 21 16:13:19 <Hire> simple it is a frontend for mplayer
Nov 21 16:13:26 <Hire> so you can use it as music/video player
Nov 21 16:13:34 <Ainulindale> quickdev: segfault on 7?
Nov 21 16:14:26 <quickdev> Ainulindale, segfault in another function where call[0] is used
Nov 21 16:14:28 <Sup3rkiddo> wow, SHR is the only one which got wifi working for me....awesome work people
Nov 21 16:14:44 <Ainulindale> quickdev: then check if calls not NULL 
Nov 21 16:14:46 <Hire> ehi Sup3rkiddo
Nov 21 16:14:51 <Hire> nice works on vala :)
Nov 21 16:14:53 <Ainulindale> if it isn't supposed to, then you did something wrong :-)
Nov 21 16:15:08 <Ainulindale> This piece looks nice to me anyway
Nov 21 16:15:10 <Ainulindale> Except that
Nov 21 16:15:11 <alfa21> mmh... about the terminal prompt... why if I'm root I get a $ instead of #
Nov 21 16:15:13 <Ainulindale> You should pass **calls
Nov 21 16:15:17 <Ainulindale> Because you're mallocing it
Nov 21 16:15:21 <quickdev> Ainulindale, NULL is declared as 0. And imagine what happens if the first call id is null. if(call == NULL) will return succeed, right? :)
Nov 21 16:15:43 <Ainulindale> quickdev: Well, to me this sounds like you forgot to call with &call and use **calls
Nov 21 16:15:51 <Ainulindale> if you malloc calls
Nov 21 16:15:53 <Sup3rkiddo> Ainulindale, yeah, but my nameless router is to be blamed.......udhcpd didnt work at all in others..didnt check with Ms4 though
Nov 21 16:15:55 <Ainulindale> It'll be local, in this piece
Nov 21 16:16:07 <Ainulindale> Sup3rkiddo: Wasn't talking to you :-p
Nov 21 16:16:13 <Sup3rkiddo> Hire, gee, thanks :D
Nov 21 16:16:21 <Ainulindale> quickdev: did you get what I just said?
Nov 21 16:16:23 <Sup3rkiddo> Ainulindale, bleh to you :/
Nov 21 16:16:29 <Ainulindale> Sup3rkiddo: :-)
Nov 21 16:18:44 <Ainulindale> quickdev: poooooooong
Nov 21 16:19:05 <quickdev> ping
Nov 21 16:19:12 <quickdev> just called someone
Nov 21 16:19:25 <Ainulindale> Hire: omview works
Nov 21 16:19:38 <Ainulindale> Wait for a dependency to come in and you'll be able to install it
Nov 21 16:20:17 <Hire> i get it
Nov 21 16:20:24 <Hire> nice I will do a nice and fancy icon
Nov 21 16:20:33 <Ainulindale> Hire: opkg install libepsilon-thumbd please
Nov 21 16:20:44 <Ainulindale> Until mickeyl tells me why this didn't get pushed in the RDEPENDS :-)
Nov 21 16:21:03 <Hire> arghh you have to slap him
Nov 21 16:21:11 <Ainulindale> No, this is my fault, I just don't know why :-)
Nov 21 16:21:43 <Hire> Configuring libepsilon-thumbd
Nov 21 16:21:43 <Hire> root@om-gta02 ~ $ 
Nov 21 16:21:52 <Hire> it works, weird
Nov 21 16:21:59 <Ainulindale> Why?
Nov 21 16:22:05 <alfa21> Ainulindale: I got latest omview working! but it has not installed epsilon_thmd automaticalli... but it should
Nov 21 16:22:13 <Ainulindale> alfa21: look what I just said
Nov 21 16:22:18 <alfa21> sorry
Nov 21 16:22:21 <Ainulindale> alfa21: right now with the SHR feeds
Nov 21 16:22:24 <Ainulindale> You have to opkg install omview
Nov 21 16:22:28 <Ainulindale> then opkg install libepsilon-thumbd
Nov 21 16:22:32 <Hire> i expected an error from opkg :D
Nov 21 16:22:35 <Ainulindale> Until I find why it didn't install it by itself
Nov 21 16:22:53 <Ainulindale> alfa21: I spent three hours trying to figure why I didn't have images
Nov 21 16:23:00 <Ainulindale> That's just because this software is weird
Nov 21 16:23:07 <Ainulindale> If there's a subdir, it'll display the subdir and not the files
Nov 21 16:23:16 <Ainulindale> This isn't self explicit at all
Nov 21 16:23:40 <Hire> ok
Nov 21 16:23:41 <Hire> it works
Nov 21 16:23:49 <alfa21> but i love omview :)
Nov 21 16:24:06 <alfa21> I do love it
Nov 21 16:24:22 <alfa21> u know, love is blind ;)
Nov 21 16:24:32 <Hire> erhh
Nov 21 16:24:54 <Zorkman> hire:
Nov 21 16:24:57 <Hire> how can I exit from fullscreen mode?
Nov 21 16:25:04 <alfa21> just tap
Nov 21 16:25:08 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 21 16:25:11 <Zorkman> that player seems to work well, but when you enter fullscreen...aha, you're also haveing this problem :)à
Nov 21 16:25:11 <Hire> no
Nov 21 16:25:14 <Hire> it isn't so
Nov 21 16:25:16 <Ainulindale> I think this is bottom to up
Nov 21 16:25:19 <Ainulindale> IIRC
Nov 21 16:25:24 <Ainulindale> It's explained on the wiki page
Nov 21 16:25:31 <Ainulindale> (When I say this isn't explicit...)
Nov 21 16:25:33 <Hire> Ainulindale: you are right
Nov 21 16:25:39 <alfa21> oh sorry exit the image, draw a line bottom-up
Nov 21 16:25:46 <Ainulindale> Hire: as always :-)
Nov 21 16:25:53 <Ainulindale> Hmpf mwester 
Nov 21 16:25:56 <Ainulindale> Can't generate the image 
Nov 21 16:26:01 <mwester> ouch
Nov 21 16:26:06 <Ainulindale> Oh, no
Nov 21 16:26:08 <Ainulindale> Didn't say a thing
Nov 21 16:26:10 <Zorkman> alfa21: i'm drawing a line from the bottom to the top, it doesn't exit...
Nov 21 16:26:12 <Hire> Ainulindale: indeed
Nov 21 16:26:17 <Ainulindale> Seems the DNS managed to find fso
Nov 21 16:26:26 <Sup3rkiddo> that's strange, i just pushed to git.fs.o without any problems
Nov 21 16:26:34 <Sup3rkiddo> ah, well..its up
Nov 21 16:26:37 <alfa21> it should exit the image and show thumbs
Nov 21 16:26:41 <Ainulindale> meh :-)
Nov 21 16:26:59 <alfa21> or go to parent dir if u are in dir mode
Nov 21 16:27:28 <alfa21> if u want to close the application, just open illume menu and press the big X
Nov 21 16:28:09 <Zorkman> alfa21: but when in fullscreen mode i can't use the illume menu
Nov 21 16:28:15 <Zorkman> i've killed it through ssh
Nov 21 16:28:33 <alfa21> if u tap on an image it will switch between adapted and 1:1 views
Nov 21 16:28:42 <Ainulindale> The more it goes
Nov 21 16:28:48 <Ainulindale> The more I think raster is a guru of some sort
Nov 21 16:28:53 <Ainulindale> "illume" sounds like illuminati
Nov 21 16:28:56 <Ainulindale> And "enlightenment", well
Nov 21 16:29:26 <Ainulindale> mwester: building almost done
Nov 21 16:29:33 <BluesLee> someone wrote something
Nov 21 16:30:28 <quickdev> Ainulindale, http://rafb.net/p/RBtu3F12.html
Nov 21 16:30:30 <quickdev> this way?
Nov 21 16:31:17 <Ainulindale> Nope, still wrong :-)
Nov 21 16:31:22 <Ainulindale> *calls = malloc
Nov 21 16:31:30 <Ainulindale> and you call it with &calls
Nov 21 16:31:52 <Ainulindale> same for realloc
Nov 21 16:31:59 <Ainulindale> *calls = ... *calls
Nov 21 16:32:22 <Ainulindale> quickdev: the pointer is a variable by itself
Nov 21 16:32:28 <dolf1074> why so much pointers? An int isn't a pointer normally.  (That's what I remember of my lessons)
Nov 21 16:32:37 <quickdev> ah, right
Nov 21 16:32:52 <Hire> git push url?
Nov 21 16:33:08 <Hire> ( I am lazy :/ )
Nov 21 16:33:13 <Ainulindale> git@shr.bearstech.com:I_like_naked_chicks.git
Nov 21 16:33:16 <alfa21> Zorkman: I understand your problem: if you are in fullscreen and you tap again, you go to the 1:1 visualization mode and if u drag the image it will be simply panned as u like, as a google map
Nov 21 16:33:57 <Hire> Ainulindale: I want some french chicks :)
Nov 21 16:34:12 <alfa21> if you tap it will go again in fullscreen, and only from that mode you can draw the "go up" gesture
Nov 21 16:34:15 <Hire> I commited it 
Nov 21 16:34:24 <alfa21> ...zorkman has gone :(
Nov 21 16:36:35 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: i am playing with black&white, but i need some colors there
Nov 21 16:37:43 <Ainulindale> Just a tiny amount, yep
Nov 21 16:38:17 <Ainulindale> mwester: sorry but I have a bit of a situation with elementary-alarm there
Nov 21 16:38:31 <Ainulindale> Damn thing
Nov 21 16:39:49 <alfa21> I have to go now, c u all next time
Nov 21 16:40:04 <alfa21> good job
Nov 21 16:40:29 <mwester> looks like enlightenment is looping on gettimeofday() endlessly... that's what's continuously consuming cpu.
Nov 21 16:40:49 <Ainulindale> mwester: someone had this problem today IIRC
Nov 21 16:40:53 <Ainulindale> There was timeouts
Nov 21 16:40:55 <Ainulindale> A lot of timeouts
Nov 21 16:41:13 <Ainulindale> NOTE: the following files were installed but not shipped in any package:
Nov 21 16:41:15 <mwester> yep that too - on select()
Nov 21 16:41:16 <Ainulindale> NOTE:   /usr/share/alarm/sounds/phone.wav
Nov 21 16:41:19 <Ainulindale> Damn
Nov 21 16:41:20 <Ainulindale> Elementary-alarm is totally borked
Nov 21 16:41:50 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a96c669c70b2c9765e06e30569725a99.png
Nov 21 16:42:04 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: nice
Nov 21 16:42:11 <Ainulindale> This is what I like
Nov 21 16:42:14 <Ainulindale> Not agressive
Nov 21 16:42:21 <quickdev> Ainulindale, committed.
Nov 21 16:42:21 <Ainulindale> Not flashy
Nov 21 16:42:25 <Ainulindale> quickdev: good :-)
Nov 21 16:42:26 <Ainulindale> Is it working?
Nov 21 16:42:29 <quickdev> yeah
Nov 21 16:42:34 <Ainulindale> A candy for you then
Nov 21 16:42:35 <quickdev> have a look at the git log
Nov 21 16:42:38 * Ainulindale pats quickdev 
Nov 21 16:42:46 <quickdev> there's "merged branch"
Nov 21 16:43:05 <Ainulindale> So?
Nov 21 16:43:14 <quickdev> that shouldn't appear, should it?
Nov 21 16:43:29 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: nice to hear, will try to improve it
Nov 21 16:43:37 <Ainulindale> It should and will if you don't do pull before push
Nov 21 16:43:44 <Ainulindale> And there are changes
Nov 21 16:44:37 <quickdev> I did pull (you modified something, you pulled, I modified something), then push (failed), pull again, and then the suceeding push
Nov 21 16:45:00 <quickdev> ehm
Nov 21 16:45:08 <Ainulindale> Didn't catch what you just did
Nov 21 16:45:26 <Ainulindale> And I'm no git expert quickdev :-)
Nov 21 16:45:50 <quickdev> yeah, ok, nevermind ;)
Nov 21 16:46:00 <Ainulindale> mwester: If you're wondering why it takes me so long to compile the image
Nov 21 16:46:05 <Ainulindale> mwester: picture me looking at the E screen
Nov 21 16:46:37 <mwester> you're working on the little phone screen? 
Nov 21 16:46:42 <Ainulindale> No -:)
Nov 21 16:53:32 <Ainulindale> Damn the buildhost seems to fail
Nov 21 16:53:44 <Ainulindale> It's hanging on gzips
Nov 21 16:53:52 <Ainulindale> I'm lucky today
Nov 21 17:00:16 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: the elementary-alarm package FILES are wrong
Nov 21 17:00:25 <Ainulindale> There's a $PN where "alarm" should be
Nov 21 17:00:31 <Ainulindale> (sounds)
Nov 21 17:03:17 <quickdev> Ainulindale, is alarm working in suspend?
Nov 21 17:03:33 <Ainulindale> Supposedly
Nov 21 17:03:41 <quickdev> BluesLee, very nice screenshot :)
Nov 21 17:05:31 <quickdev> Ainulindale, it IS working suspend
Nov 21 17:05:32 <quickdev> just tested it
Nov 21 17:05:34 <quickdev> great
Nov 21 17:05:44 <quickdev> so sound would be fine to wake someone up
Nov 21 17:05:47 <BluesLee> quickdev: thanx, i used the black & white icons, gpl, see http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/black-white+2+Style?content=72619&PHPSESSID=dd32c647b5f685671283d2f0c8701d3d
Nov 21 17:06:04 <quickdev> and time should work somehow....did you fix that with mwester ? UTC thing?
Nov 21 17:06:22 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I fixed our package locally for the sound
Nov 21 17:06:36 <quickdev> ok
Nov 21 17:09:16 <Ainulindale> mwester: hopefully the image will be generated by the time I come back
Nov 21 17:09:23 <Ainulindale> (leaving for the dentist, at last)
Nov 21 17:14:49 <BluesLee> quickdev: is it possible to have short changelogs concerning the generated images?
Nov 21 17:15:28 <quickdev> BluesLee, have a look at the git repositories and you'll see what happend since last time
Nov 21 17:15:42 <quickdev> BluesLee, http://shr.bearstech.com/git/
Nov 21 17:17:01 <BluesLee> thanx
Nov 21 17:26:30 <BluesLee> what is uming?
Nov 21 17:28:17 <mwester> google
Nov 21 17:29:30 <pb__> clever google, they go by all kinds of names nowadays
Nov 21 17:33:29 <Hire> what?
Nov 21 17:37:00 <Kensan> Good evening
Nov 21 17:39:48 <dcordes> hi Kensan 
Nov 21 17:40:01 <dcordes> roh, are you around?
Nov 21 17:40:20 <dcordes> mickeyl, I have no reply from the ml maintainers yet :(
Nov 21 17:45:34 <torpor> yo
Nov 21 18:09:14 <Zorkman> anyone else has the problem that SHR doesn't ask for a pin and restarting the framework doesn't work?
Nov 21 18:09:26 <Zorkman> if so, please add your info to http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/129
Nov 21 18:11:48 <quickdev> Zorkman, please set log_level in /etc/frameworkd.conf from INFO to DEBUG, restart your devince, reproduce the bug and post your /tmp/frameworkd.log please :)
Nov 21 18:12:39 <Zorkman> rebooting now, will eat in the meantime :)
Nov 21 18:12:56 <Zorkman> just out of curiousity, will changing it to debug slow down the phone?
Nov 21 18:27:44 <Zorkman> quickdev: done
Nov 21 18:29:13 <Hire> Zorkman: yes
Nov 21 18:30:18 <Zorkman> could it help to remove and reinstall ophonekitd ?
Nov 21 18:32:06 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: no
Nov 21 18:32:41 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: Did you upgrade ophonekitd though?
Nov 21 18:32:50 <Ainulindale> I added a fix specifically for you today
Nov 21 18:33:08 <Ainulindale> And the log we're interested in isn't ophonekitd, Zorkman 
Nov 21 18:33:10 <Ainulindale> It's frameworkd.log
Nov 21 18:33:16 <Ainulindale> Which should be in /tmp too
Nov 21 18:33:29 <Zorkman> ok, sorry for that, i'll post it
Nov 21 18:33:33 <Ainulindale> Please also add opkg info ophonekitd in the ticket
Nov 21 18:33:55 <Zorkman> i removed and reinstalled ophonekitd and now i get another error
Nov 21 18:33:58 <Zorkman> i'll update it
Nov 21 18:34:08 <Ainulindale> Another error in ophonekitd.log?
Nov 21 18:34:26 <Zorkman> no, when i run  killall -9 ophonekitd; DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd
Nov 21 18:34:34 <Zorkman> Failed to handle dbus error: User :1.11 already requested GSM, 73 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32
Nov 21 18:35:04 <Zorkman> Ainulindale: there is no frameworkd.log in /tmp ...
Nov 21 18:35:15 <Zorkman> exposure.fifo, ophonekitd.log and x.log
Nov 21 18:35:36 <Ainulindale> That means you overwrote frameworkd.conf doing an upgrade
Nov 21 18:35:54 <Ainulindale> Could you pastebin it?
Nov 21 18:36:35 <Zorkman> http://pastebin.com/m58ed4404
Nov 21 18:36:46 <Ainulindale> My guess was right
Nov 21 18:36:54 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: modify log_to
Nov 21 18:36:55 <Ainulindale> log_to = file
Nov 21 18:37:00 <Ainulindale> log_destination = /tmp/frameworkd.log
Nov 21 18:37:11 <Ainulindale> And add to [ogsmd] ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never
Nov 21 18:37:23 <Ainulindale> Then restart your device
Nov 21 18:37:28 <Ainulindale> (or restart frameworkd/ophonekitd)
Nov 21 18:38:00 <Ainulindale> mwester: image is almost there
Nov 21 18:38:06 <Ainulindale> currently making the jffs2
Nov 21 18:38:11 <Zorkman> ok, rebooting
Nov 21 18:39:13 <Ainulindale> mwester: there it is
Nov 21 18:39:26 <kd8ikt> what image
Nov 21 18:39:30 <Ainulindale> gta01
Nov 21 18:39:38 <Ainulindale> I'll do the gta02 in a minute or so
Nov 21 18:39:52 * Hire gets a beer
Nov 21 18:41:29 <Ainulindale> mwester?
Nov 21 18:43:51 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: Didn't think you were using SHR though
Nov 21 18:44:15 <kd8ikt> shr-testing
Nov 21 18:44:36 <Ainulindale> There's currently no other shr than testing, so that's a pleonasm :-)
Nov 21 18:44:48 <kd8ikt> love the incoming sms snd
Nov 21 18:44:54 <Ainulindale> I don't
Nov 21 18:44:59 <Ainulindale> Especially as it kills gstreamer
Nov 21 18:45:11 <kd8ikt> isnt that the sound when you get a new ship in arkanoid or a new level
Nov 21 18:45:20 <Ainulindale> You should ask mickeyl :-)
Nov 21 18:46:03 <kd8ikt> but omfg i'm gonna pull my hair out with these fuckin glamo_mc uSD garbage i keep getting
Nov 21 18:46:55 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: Do you like SHR, by the way?
Nov 21 18:47:02 <Ainulindale> I saw no bug report from you IIRC
Nov 21 18:47:49 <kd8ikt> yes shr is nice
Nov 21 18:47:57 <Ainulindale> "but"? :-)
Nov 21 18:48:49 <kd8ikt> no buts from me
Nov 21 18:48:57 <Ainulindale> That's cool :-)
Nov 21 18:49:07 <Ainulindale> Don't you have stuff you would like to have though?
Nov 21 18:50:21 <kd8ikt> i dont really use sms so i dunno if you can attach a file to one (like a tangogps screenshoit)
Nov 21 18:50:29 <Ainulindale> Arf
Nov 21 18:50:34 <Zorkman> kd8ikt: i'll help you: opimd, an alarm that makes sound (although i must admit, it's very nicely animated)
Nov 21 18:50:35 <Ainulindale> We're talking SMS here
Nov 21 18:50:39 <Ainulindale> Characters only
Nov 21 18:50:46 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: That is already settled (alarm)
Nov 21 18:50:47 <Zorkman> mss is with pictures/sound
Nov 21 18:50:49 <Ainulindale> I'll update the package index
Nov 21 18:50:51 <Zorkman> really?
Nov 21 18:50:53 <Ainulindale> Yes
Nov 21 18:50:58 <Zorkman> nice! i'll try it
Nov 21 18:51:01 <Ainulindale> I'll tell you when to try it
Nov 21 18:51:02 <kd8ikt> multi media message
Nov 21 18:51:12 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: No MMS right now that's right
Nov 21 18:51:24 <kd8ikt> bleh
Nov 21 18:51:38 <Ainulindale> Though MMS are for people who can't write
Nov 21 18:52:02 <kd8ikt> and that dumb default clock widget in illume (i'd prefer digital)
Nov 21 18:52:08 <Ainulindale> Same here
Nov 21 18:52:14 <Ainulindale> I think Hire is trying to fix that
Nov 21 18:52:16 <kd8ikt> so i end up just removing it from topshelf
Nov 21 18:52:23 <Zorkman> true, that analog clock is annoyin
Nov 21 18:52:28 <Ainulindale> mwester! Come on you pantsy
Nov 21 18:52:39 <Zorkman> btw: Ainulindale: i'm fully opkg upgraded and my clock still doesn't make any noise
Nov 21 18:52:41 <Hire> yeah, i am trying to fix it
Nov 21 18:52:56 <Hire> but edc file for illume and default is a bit ... complex
Nov 21 18:53:00 <kd8ikt> call me stupid/lazy but i wont take the time to try to read a tiny analog clock
Nov 21 18:53:03 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: 19:51:02 < Ainulindale> I'll tell you when to try it
Nov 21 18:53:05 <Hire> i want that raster split it 
Nov 21 18:53:29 <kd8ikt> oh i know enlightenment is a bitch
Nov 21 18:53:37 <kd8ikt> neat but hell to work with
Nov 21 18:55:20 <kd8ikt> and this is more like kernel bs anything past 1GB on my uSD card -fail
Nov 21 18:55:33 <Zorkman> Ainulindale: added frameworkd.log
Nov 21 18:55:36 <kd8ikt> =fail
Nov 21 18:56:09 <kd8ikt> first two 512 partitions no problem
Nov 21 19:02:05 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r960a159f50f4 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Python/PythonManager.vala: Fix a possible error
Nov 21 19:02:05 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r77d141ec9c71 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/power/power-helpers.c: Search for power_supply substring in the netlink buffer the right way
Nov 21 19:02:09 <mbuf> is there an external toolchain I can use for u-boot compilation for the FR, or does it have to be with the Moko build environment?
Nov 21 19:06:31 <Hire> ehi guys
Nov 21 19:06:35 <Hire> i have a joke
Nov 21 19:06:54 <Hire> OM2008.9 and FSO walk into a bar.   "How are you?  How are you?" asks FSO. "Buzzzzzzz" says OM2008.9
Nov 21 19:07:04 <Zorkman> hehe, it's from the mailinglist :)
Nov 21 19:07:08 <Zorkman> my splash screen is:
Nov 21 19:07:10 <Zorkman> knock knock
Nov 21 19:07:13 <Zorkman> who's there?
Nov 21 19:07:20 <Zorkman> a freerunner user
Nov 21 19:07:22 <Zorkman> a freerunner user
Nov 21 19:07:29 <Hire> :D
Nov 21 19:07:35 <Hire> but i don't have that issue
Nov 21 19:07:38 <Hire> this is weird
Nov 21 19:07:44 <Hire> or i have a magical fr :D
Nov 21 19:07:52 <Zorkman> wanna trade? :p
Nov 21 19:07:58 <Zorkman> i have buzzing and echo normally,
Nov 21 19:07:59 <Hire> mmhh ... naaah :D
Nov 21 19:08:06 <Zorkman> but with fso ms4 and shr it's doable...
Nov 21 19:08:14 <Zorkman> too bad shr doesn't ask for a pin anymore :(
Nov 21 19:08:21 <Zorkman> it's a brokenmoko once again...
Nov 21 19:10:03 <kd8ikt> need to make s openbroko bootsplash
Nov 21 19:10:30 <kd8ikt> or something that says "hey the bootloader works!"
Nov 21 19:10:37 <Hire> however
Nov 21 19:10:42 <Zorkman> i'm off, I hope my frameworkd.log is usefull to you guys :)
Nov 21 19:10:47 <Zorkman> haha kd8ikt, good one :)
Nov 21 19:11:14 <kd8ikt> make sure you sanitize it cause it provides some revealing info 
Nov 21 19:11:25 <kd8ikt> like phonenumbers sms's etc
Nov 21 19:11:33 <Zorkman> kd8ikt: i can't enter pin number
Nov 21 19:11:37 <Hire> however
Nov 21 19:11:39 <Hire> guys
Nov 21 19:11:42 <Zorkman> so i guess phonenumbers and sms's will not be displayed :po
Nov 21 19:11:44 <Hire> we need more dev into SHR
Nov 21 19:11:52 <Ainulindale> No kidding :-)
Nov 21 19:12:06 <Hire> we need someone that know how edc & friends works
Nov 21 19:12:09 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: waiiiit
Nov 21 19:12:12 <kd8ikt> i feel the kernel needs more work
Nov 21 19:12:15 <Ainulindale> I have questions for you
Nov 21 19:12:15 <Zorkman> ok, i'll wait a second :)
Nov 21 19:12:39 <Ainulindale> You didn't gave me opkg info ophonekitd
Nov 21 19:12:42 <Hire> for now, shr seems to be a bit stable ( almost, for me )
Nov 21 19:12:43 <Ainulindale> s/gave/give/
Nov 21 19:12:48 <Zorkman> damn, sometimes i'm soo stupid..
Nov 21 19:12:50 <Ainulindale> Hire: almost?
Nov 21 19:13:16 <Hire> at least for me :)
Nov 21 19:13:21 <Ainulindale> Why almost then?
Nov 21 19:13:25 <Hire> uhm
Nov 21 19:13:28 <Zorkman> Ainulindale: done
Nov 21 19:13:31 <Hire> i have that issue with sms
Nov 21 19:13:32 <mbuf> make gta02v5_config for openmoko u-boot gives no rule to make target 'gta02v5_config', why?
Nov 21 19:13:36 <Hire> do you remember?
Nov 21 19:14:01 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: you're not using latest
Nov 21 19:14:08 <Zorkman> how can that be?
Nov 21 19:14:11 <Ainulindale> You're not even using the one I patched for you
Nov 21 19:14:16 <Zorkman> i've don opkg update and opkg upgrade
Nov 21 19:14:46 <Ainulindale> Yes, but I told you to wait for the package-index to be regenerated
Nov 21 19:14:50 <Ainulindale> Which I am doing now
Nov 21 19:15:06 <Ainulindale> So you should update now
Nov 21 19:15:07 <Ainulindale> And upgrade
Nov 21 19:15:11 <Zorkman> doing so at the moment
Nov 21 19:15:17 <Ainulindale> Gaaah
Nov 21 19:15:23 <Ainulindale> Do not do it when I don't tell you to :-)
Nov 21 19:15:29 <Zorkman> <Ainulindale> So you should update now
Nov 21 19:15:30 <Ainulindale> I'm regenerating it RIGHT NOW
Nov 21 19:15:44 <Ainulindale> Yes, just making sure you didn't upgrade before :-)
Nov 21 19:15:48 <Hire> Zorkman: don't stress Ainulindale please
Nov 21 19:15:54 <Ainulindale> You should have an ophonekitd update
Nov 21 19:15:56 <Zorkman> sorry, i don't mean to stress anyone
Nov 21 19:15:59 <Ainulindale> For release 489 IIRC
Nov 21 19:16:08 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: you don't, he's joking
Nov 21 19:16:16 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: when you're done, ping me I'll tell you how to restart stuff
Nov 21 19:16:20 <Hire> :/
Nov 21 19:16:27 * Hire gets another beer 
Nov 21 19:16:28 <Ainulindale> (without rebooting one more time)
Nov 21 19:16:47 <Ainulindale> jffs2 for latest is being generated as we speak
Nov 21 19:16:51 <Zorkman> first it's installinga  lot of e-wm stuff and the elemtary-alarm, hooray :)
Nov 21 19:16:52 <Ainulindale> (GTA02)
Nov 21 19:16:57 <Zorkman> frameworkd also being upgraded no
Nov 21 19:16:59 <Zorkman> *w
Nov 21 19:17:03 <Ainulindale> There you are
Nov 21 19:17:07 <Ainulindale> Told you to wait =)
Nov 21 19:18:09 <Zorkman> i can do another opkg upgrade when you tell me too :) i'm doing all the rest now because i have to leave soon
Nov 21 19:18:24 <Ainulindale> I was just telling you
Nov 21 19:18:30 <Ainulindale> That's why I told you to wait earlier
Nov 21 19:18:32 <Ainulindale> Now is the good time
Nov 21 19:18:35 <Ainulindale> Please tell me when it's done
Nov 21 19:18:43 <Zorkman> ok
Nov 21 19:19:14 <Zorkman> running opkg upgrade
Nov 21 19:19:43 <Zorkman> it doesn't do a thing... (i opkg updated first)
Nov 21 19:20:00 <Zorkman> Filename: ophonekitd_0.0.1+r9-gitr489+6497719cb197071c407067739fc232b0e8d98781-r9.1_armv4t.ipk
Nov 21 19:20:33 <Ainulindale> Arf
Nov 21 19:20:34 <Hire> urray
Nov 21 19:20:40 <Ainulindale> You didn't understand me at all Zorkman but nevermind
Nov 21 19:20:43 <Ainulindale> Now please do 
Nov 21 19:20:50 <Ainulindale> => /etc/init.d/frameworkd stop
Nov 21 19:20:59 <Ainulindale> And check ps auxw | grep framework
Nov 21 19:21:03 <Ainulindale> If there's no frameworkd
Nov 21 19:21:04 <Ainulindale> Then
Nov 21 19:21:08 <Ainulindale> And check ps auxw | grep ophone
Nov 21 19:21:16 <Ainulindale> There should be no ophonekitd
Nov 21 19:21:17 <Zorkman> it only returns the grep framework
Nov 21 19:21:25 <Zorkman> indeed, there is no ophonekitd
Nov 21 19:21:27 <Ainulindale> Ok now
Nov 21 19:21:32 <Ainulindale> Do /etc/init.d/frameworkd start
Nov 21 19:21:37 <Ainulindale> And DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd&
Nov 21 19:21:43 <Ainulindale> And tell me if something appears in a minute or so
Nov 21 19:21:50 <Ainulindale> (Waiting for frameworkd start)
Nov 21 19:21:59 <Ainulindale> If this work
Nov 21 19:22:08 <Ainulindale> Then you'll be able to disable the debug log of frameworkd
Nov 21 19:22:12 <Ainulindale> back to INFO
Nov 21 19:22:21 <Ainulindale> And all will be good again
Nov 21 19:22:36 <Zorkman> all is well :)
Nov 21 19:22:43 <Zorkman> pin request came up
Nov 21 19:22:55 <Zorkman> one strange thing though:
Nov 21 19:23:01 <Zorkman> it says  messagebook info: first: 1, last 20, used: 18, total 20
Nov 21 19:23:05 <Ainulindale> That's normal
Nov 21 19:23:13 <Zorkman> but there are only 5 messages in my inbox
Nov 21 19:23:26 <Ainulindale> There may be "sent" messages IIRC
Nov 21 19:23:35 <Zorkman> is there a way to delete them?
Nov 21 19:23:43 <Ainulindale> Currently, no, I'll look into that
Nov 21 19:23:58 <Zorkman> because in a few messages it will be useless again :)
Nov 21 19:24:04 <Zorkman> thanks a million for helping me
Nov 21 19:24:07 <Ainulindale> You're welcome
Nov 21 19:24:10 <Ainulindale> Check if alarm works
Nov 21 19:24:17 <Ainulindale> (Didn't have time to do it)
Nov 21 19:24:20 <Zorkman> if you ever need a tester to see if it's idiot-proof, just contact me :)
Nov 21 19:24:31 <Ainulindale> No thank you, I already have Hire :-)
Nov 21 19:25:08 <Hire> http://www.okiwii.net/images/2ljp5dgcfh5exmrk35v.png <--- do yo...
Nov 21 19:25:15 <Hire> :|
Nov 21 19:25:21 <Ainulindale> haha :-)
Nov 21 19:25:27 <Ainulindale> What's this Hire ?
Nov 21 19:25:32 <Hire> i am not a toy :|
Nov 21 19:25:36 <Zorkman> Ainulindale: alarm works :)
Nov 21 19:25:36 <Ainulindale> A suppository representation of a battery?
Nov 21 19:25:40 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: nice :-)
Nov 21 19:25:41 <Hire> it is the new battery
Nov 21 19:25:50 <Hire> for illume
Nov 21 19:25:58 <a21> strange thing today with my sms and sim: I found two old and supposedly deleted sms dated 2006!!! with sensible text... o_O
Nov 21 19:25:58 <Ainulindale> Hire: I though you'd rather use levels
Nov 21 19:26:00 <Ainulindale> bars and such
Nov 21 19:26:11 <Ainulindale> a21: which distro?
Nov 21 19:26:39 <a21> shr... but I think it's a sim bug
Nov 21 19:26:48 <Hire> Ainulindale: you don't know how works illume than :D
Nov 21 19:27:05 <a21> anyway now I can reat that sms also on any "normal" phone
Nov 21 19:27:05 <Ainulindale> Hire: no idea, yes :-)
Nov 21 19:27:10 <Ainulindale> a21: no that's a feature
Nov 21 19:27:13 <Ainulindale> SHR brings back lovely memories
Nov 21 19:27:42 <kd8ikt> should i make my 1st partition fat32 or fat16
Nov 21 19:27:42 <Hire> Ainulindale: illume does "bars" on the fly with "gradients"
Nov 21 19:27:49 <a21> omg... it's not a lovely memory a deleted sms! :D
Nov 21 19:27:55 <Hire> but
Nov 21 19:27:58 <Ainulindale> :-)
Nov 21 19:28:37 <a21> it's a security issue of the sim card imho
Nov 21 19:28:50 <Ainulindale> Maybe
Nov 21 19:31:00 <a21> but I do not understand where it was stored... I had several times the sms memory full and then deleted at all... it's not a magic stuff an electronic memory
Nov 21 19:31:42 <a21> how two sms dated 2006 are still available today?! o_O
Nov 21 19:32:17 <a21> (and deleted long time ago)
Nov 21 19:32:26 <mbuf> to which address should we flash u-boot to?
Nov 21 19:34:25 <Ainulindale> Hire: 
Nov 21 19:34:36 <Ainulindale> Did you look at http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer1.png?
Nov 21 19:35:28 <a21> I like that gui
Nov 21 19:36:03 <Ainulindale> Could someone test latest?
Nov 21 19:36:11 <a21> which name for that player?
Nov 21 19:36:14 <Hire> what is it?
Nov 21 19:36:28 <Ainulindale> that's an alpha media player front end
Nov 21 19:36:31 <Hire> i dont know what it is
Nov 21 19:36:35 <Ainulindale> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/List_of_Audio_Applications
Nov 21 19:36:36 <Ainulindale> bottom of the page
Nov 21 19:36:37 <Hire> ah
Nov 21 19:37:15 <Hire> Ainulindale
Nov 21 19:37:19 <Hire> it is for debian :)
Nov 21 19:37:26 <Ainulindale> That doesn't mean anything Hire 
Nov 21 19:38:00 <Ainulindale> Wooooow
Nov 21 19:38:04 <Ainulindale> A lot is gone from latest lite
Nov 21 19:38:07 <Ainulindale> What's this mess
Nov 21 19:38:08 <a21> ah cool, I'll give it a try asa I'll be @home
Nov 21 19:38:12 <Hire> http://www.gup.jku.at/~tkoeck/audioplayer/audioplayer.tar.gz
Nov 21 19:38:13 <Ainulindale> No media player for instance
Nov 21 19:38:15 <Hire> compile it :D
Nov 21 19:38:42 <Hire> however
Nov 21 19:38:50 <Hire> I prefer pythm
Nov 21 19:38:51 <Hire> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Pythm.png
Nov 21 19:38:58 <Hire> you can manage mplayer or mpd
Nov 21 19:39:05 <Ainulindale> Well
Nov 21 19:39:05 <a21> Ainulindale: can u include also SATAN in shr? at least in opkg?
Nov 21 19:39:06 <Hire> so you can use it as music/video player
Nov 21 19:39:07 <Ainulindale> No file manager
Nov 21 19:39:12 <Ainulindale> No tangogps
Nov 21 19:39:18 <Ainulindale> no media player
Nov 21 19:39:25 <Ainulindale> Did I do that? Damn
Nov 21 19:39:30 <Hire> wow
Nov 21 19:39:42 <Hire> you have borked shr for the 1000th times :)
Nov 21 19:39:58 <Ainulindale> That's pretty weird
Nov 21 19:40:07 <Ainulindale> No terminal either
Nov 21 19:40:34 <kd8ikt> hm 
Nov 21 19:40:53 <kd8ikt> what list is bigger the exluded or included?
Nov 21 19:40:54 <a21> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Satan
Nov 21 19:41:08 <a21> pleaseeee
Nov 21 19:41:24 <kd8ikt> just install it yourself 
Nov 21 19:41:45 <kd8ikt> thats like me asking him to include ettercap
Nov 21 19:41:49 <Ainulindale> Well
Nov 21 19:41:53 <Ainulindale> The whole gtk task didn't get included
Nov 21 19:42:21 <Ainulindale> a21: I'll try to see if I can
Nov 21 19:42:28 <a21> tnx
Nov 21 19:42:43 <Ainulindale> No bb recipe
Nov 21 19:42:45 <Ainulindale> So not for now
Nov 21 19:42:54 <Ainulindale> I'll do the bb recipe later
Nov 21 19:43:02 <a21> k k
Nov 21 19:43:05 <Ainulindale> For now, I have to figure why the gtk task didn't get included
Nov 21 19:43:48 <a21> I'm happy if u just put it on your todo list ^_^
Nov 21 19:44:54 <Ainulindale> a21: if you open a ticket for enhancement I won't forget it
Nov 21 19:45:12 <a21> received
Nov 21 19:45:15 <a21> ;)
Nov 21 19:45:54 <Ainulindale> mickeyl?
Nov 21 19:47:56 <Ainulindale> Well
Nov 21 19:47:59 <Ainulindale> No XGlamo there
Nov 21 19:48:02 <Ainulindale> Why, god whyyyyy
Nov 21 19:48:31 <Ainulindale> (someone may have changed the machine definition
Nov 21 19:48:31 <Ainulindale> )
Nov 21 19:50:10 <Hire> (20:48:01) Ainulindale: Why, god whyyyyy <--- you don't have a god :)
Nov 21 19:50:19 <Ainulindale> That's true
Nov 21 19:51:09 <Hire> but for me isn't so :) my god is asimov :O
Nov 21 19:52:13 <Hire> or cthulhu.. depends on my mood :D
Nov 21 19:56:32 <Hire> Reincluded glamo. <--- :D
Nov 21 19:57:16 <Ainulindale> Well what I can't understand is why the gtk task didn't get included in the image
Nov 21 19:58:02 <kd8ikt> i think my sd card doesnt work cause its a class 6
Nov 21 19:58:27 <Hire> class 6?
Nov 21 19:58:44 * Hire returns to works on Illume
Nov 21 19:58:48 <Hire> work
Nov 21 19:58:59 <kd8ikt> super fast card
Nov 21 19:59:19 <kd8ikt> + super slow glamo = fail
Nov 21 19:59:22 <a21> 131 is more important than 130 for me
Nov 21 20:00:39 <a21> c u ltr... must go now
Nov 21 20:00:54 <vininim> Is there any repository where people are putting ipkgs like doom, remoko and such?
Nov 21 20:01:58 <kd8ikt> i have a lil shr oetree repo 
Nov 21 20:02:24 <kd8ikt> not really a repo as you cant use opkg to install them
Nov 21 20:02:38 <kd8ikt> not packages.list thing
Nov 21 20:03:59 * [Rui] waves...
Nov 21 20:04:04 <vininim> hello
Nov 21 20:04:21 <[Rui]> can anyone tell me where/how can I see what signals can I send through dbus?
Nov 21 20:04:34 <[Rui]> for instance, reduce brightness to 0
Nov 21 20:05:11 <Ainulindale> [Rui]: it's on git.freesmartphone.org
Nov 21 20:05:12 <Ainulindale> specs.git
Nov 21 20:06:51 <[Rui]> thanks
Nov 21 20:07:02 <Ainulindale> If you have questions, please ask them
Nov 21 20:07:06 <kd8ikt> we should ditch openmoko and start designing our own phone from scratch :P
Nov 21 20:07:10 <Ainulindale> I've used my share of frameworkd primitives :-)
Nov 21 20:09:04 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: thank you very much, I'm in the process of bringind dbus support for omnewrotate... motivated because I can't dim the screen on FSO :D
Nov 21 20:09:09 <kd8ikt> sry i'm feeling awfully bitter this morning
Nov 21 20:09:32 <Ainulindale> [Rui]: you're the omnewrotate guy then?
Nov 21 20:09:39 <Ainulindale> That's great, I'd like to insult you for a bit :-)
Nov 21 20:09:43 <Ainulindale> Use autotools ! :-)
Nov 21 20:09:54 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: yeah, please do...
Nov 21 20:09:56 <Ainulindale> I spent all morning trying to figure out how to handle your sources :-)
Nov 21 20:10:03 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: sorry...
Nov 21 20:10:12 <Ainulindale> Then just told the guy asking me to ship with your software, which is very nice indeed, to do it himself :-p
Nov 21 20:10:13 <mbuf> while trying to flash u-boot to NAND, i get state(10) = dfuERROR, status(1) = File is not targeted for use by this device, Done! Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode
Nov 21 20:10:22 <Ainulindale> [Rui]: I was joking telling you "insult", don't worry :-)
Nov 21 20:10:25 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: all I need to do is use the toolchain then make :)
Nov 21 20:10:33 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: no problem, I use that joke a lot as well :)
Nov 21 20:10:37 <Ainulindale> [Rui]: I know, but that's not the "proper" way
Nov 21 20:10:44 <Ainulindale> If, say, someone want to build your thing on a buildhost
Nov 21 20:10:49 <Ainulindale> With different libraries
Nov 21 20:10:53 * [Rui] feels dumb... git checkout git://git.freesmartphone.org/specs.git
Nov 21 20:10:53 <dcordes> yo core developers. anybody has got moderator access to the mailing lists?
Nov 21 20:10:55 <Ainulindale> It's really a pain now
Nov 21 20:11:24 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: I'm halfway in that direction, I'm already using pkg-config ;)
Nov 21 20:11:30 <Ainulindale> [Rui]: If you check the autotools, promise, I'll include rotate right away :-)
Nov 21 20:11:42 <dcordes> ah the c in cdevel is community :) I thought it was core.
Nov 21 20:11:50 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: I'm having a terrible trouble getting a compilation environment...
Nov 21 20:11:52 <Ainulindale> [Rui]: I even have examples
Nov 21 20:12:00 <Ainulindale> [Rui]: That I can help you with if necessary
Nov 21 20:12:06 <Ainulindale> There's a howto on the SHR page
Nov 21 20:12:44 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: the easiest way I got to do it was to just dump a binary toolchain (but it's quite old) on /usr/local/openmoko, load environment-setup and then proceed to compiling
Nov 21 20:12:59 <Ainulindale> [Rui]: use bitbake
Nov 21 20:13:07 <Ainulindale> It's truly far more easier (when you built your thing)
Nov 21 20:13:08 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: and thanks for the compliment about omnewrotate ;)
Nov 21 20:13:15 <Ainulindale> You're welcome
Nov 21 20:13:42 <Ainulindale> [Rui]: If you need to set the brightness with it though
Nov 21 20:13:49 <Ainulindale> First, you might want to use libframeworkd-glib
Nov 21 20:13:49 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: maybe I'm not very patient, but I was trying to find out info about bitbake earlier and didn't find anything useful
Nov 21 20:13:57 <Ainulindale> Second, you might not want to listen to signals
Nov 21 20:14:04 <Ainulindale> You just have to call the right method
Nov 21 20:14:21 <Ainulindale> (libframeworkd-glib is a C binding for frameworkd)
Nov 21 20:14:30 <Ainulindale> (not very complete, but I can arrange that :-p)
Nov 21 20:14:35 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: yeah, from what I read in http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus/libdbus-tutorial.html I figured I'd only need to send a couple of signals
Nov 21 20:14:42 <Ainulindale> Not signals
Nov 21 20:14:43 <Ainulindale> Methods
Nov 21 20:14:46 <[Rui]> yeaha
Nov 21 20:14:46 <Ainulindale> But seriously
Nov 21 20:14:49 <Ainulindale> Do not bother about dbus
Nov 21 20:14:52 <Ainulindale> Use libframeworkd-glib
Nov 21 20:14:55 <[Rui]> still new to libdbus terminology :)
Nov 21 20:14:56 <Ainulindale> You won't have to manage dbus or the connection
Nov 21 20:15:03 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: ok... I'll check that out then :)
Nov 21 20:15:06 <Ainulindale> It'll be a lot simpler for you
Nov 21 20:15:14 <Ainulindale> [Rui]: I can show you how we use it in SHR
Nov 21 20:15:24 <[Rui]> but that means I won't be doing it tonight, I still have to do 350Km of driving :|
Nov 21 20:15:44 <Ainulindale> [Rui]: http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr.git;a=blob;f=ophonekitd/src/ophonekitd-main.c;h=0b19fb12ad7468929fb69c4fbcb3a6992f11d969;hb=HEAD
Nov 21 20:15:48 <Ainulindale> See that URL
Nov 21 20:15:58 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: sure, if you can show me now in a quick form, I can save this text so I can try that out later (I don't know if I'll have network)
Nov 21 20:16:01 <[Rui]> thanks
Nov 21 20:16:13 <Kensan> mwester: ping
Nov 21 20:16:14 <Ainulindale> If, say
Nov 21 20:16:16 <Ainulindale> You want to power up the antenna
Nov 21 20:16:28 <Ainulindale> You'll just do
Nov 21 20:16:30 <Ainulindale> ogsmd_device_set_antenna_power(TRUE, power_up_antenna_callback, NULL);
Nov 21 20:16:38 <Ainulindale> A lot simpler than handling dbus
Nov 21 20:16:50 <[Rui]> well, its saved
Nov 21 20:16:55 <Kensan> anybody here with a freerunner and a debugboard v3?
Nov 21 20:17:22 <mbuf> Kensan, yew
Nov 21 20:17:26 <mbuf> Kensan, yes
Nov 21 20:17:32 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: indeed it is. but that would mean that I'd need to make a binary also for the non-frameworkd people?
Nov 21 20:17:49 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: yes, I know autotools is the answer :D
Nov 21 20:17:56 <Ainulindale> [Rui]: if you want to do it with frameworkd, you'd have to do that anyway
Nov 21 20:18:05 <Ainulindale> But you can put it as a parameter
Nov 21 20:18:10 <Ainulindale> It's not that difficult
Nov 21 20:18:22 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: I must reread the autotools documentation (maybe it's better nowadays)
Nov 21 20:18:34 <Ainulindale> [Rui]: same repo I just gave you
Nov 21 20:18:37 <Ainulindale> There's an autotools example
Nov 21 20:18:55 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: yeah but it has to be in compile-time or it may not work on Om2008.x, I suppose
Nov 21 20:19:00 <[Rui]> ah... nice
Nov 21 20:19:33 <Ainulindale> [Rui]: the argument?
Nov 21 20:19:39 * [Rui] hasn't programmed in a long time... I'm a [Free Software] systems administrator so when I got to program on omnewrotate I got so happy about the experience :)
Nov 21 20:19:53 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: the support for frameworkd
Nov 21 20:20:02 <Ainulindale> If you link with lfg
Nov 21 20:20:06 <Ainulindale> (libframeworkd-glib)
Nov 21 20:20:11 <Ainulindale> It doesn't bind you to frameworkd
Nov 21 20:20:15 <Ainulindale> You may use it or not
Nov 21 20:20:29 <Ainulindale> Though if you do use it and put an argument
Nov 21 20:20:37 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: ok. and is it available on om2008.x's repos?
Nov 21 20:20:38 <Ainulindale> You'll be able to use it to abstract the dbus calls
Nov 21 20:20:42 <[Rui]> ok
Nov 21 20:20:46 <Ainulindale> Available on SHR
Nov 21 20:21:00 <Ainulindale> And I guess as well on 2008.X
Nov 21 20:21:07 <Ainulindale> It'll be pushed into open embedded
Nov 21 20:21:20 <Kensan> mbuf: how do you connect to the serial console? I mean in which order do you plugin the devices to the workstation? I seem to be getting serial output during boot but it's all garbled and I can't connect to uboot via serial.
Nov 21 20:21:49 <mbuf> Kensan, i haven't got that far yet; i am trying to flash u-boot to NAND after booting from NOR flash, but, I am getting an eror
Nov 21 20:22:00 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: nice, that would save some work :)
Nov 21 20:22:00 <mbuf> Kensan, state(10) = dfuERROR, status(1) = File is not targeted for use by this device
Nov 21 20:22:40 <Kensan> mbuf: hm ok. I want to get serial console first before flashing stuff.
Nov 21 20:22:56 <Ainulindale> [Rui]: Well, anyway, feel free to ask me anything about lfg, I'm the maintainer
Nov 21 20:23:08 <mbuf> Kensan, have you install openocd, libftdi? i am able to telnet localhost 4444
Nov 21 20:23:11 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: ok, thank you very much for your hits, I guess most of what you said will be in 0.6.0 :) now I should pack my bag
Nov 21 20:23:22 <mbuf> Kensan, but, debug board doesn't seem to control the FR; FR just boots
Nov 21 20:23:24 <Kensan> mbuf: I did install libftdi but not openocd.
Nov 21 20:23:25 <Ainulindale> G'day then :-)
Nov 21 20:23:35 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: thanks...
Nov 21 20:23:38 <[Rui]> bby!
Nov 21 20:24:04 <Kensan> mbuf: My uboot-env settings for the serial console might be off...
Nov 21 20:25:22 <BluesLee> hire: ping
Nov 21 20:36:21 <Hire> yes?
Nov 21 20:38:43 <Ainulindale> "OM2008.9 and FSO walk into a bar.
Nov 21 20:38:43 <Ainulindale> "How are you? How are you?" asks FSO.
Nov 21 20:38:44 <Ainulindale> "Buzzzzzzz" says OM2008.9 "
Nov 21 20:38:45 <Ainulindale> Hahaha =)
Nov 21 20:39:08 <BluesLee> Hire: how you created your icons?
Nov 21 20:39:30 <BluesLee> Hire: first svg then converting?
Nov 21 20:40:29 <BluesLee> Hire: i have some 128x128 icons and will use the very large mode
Nov 21 20:41:06 <vininim> lol
Nov 21 20:42:43 <BluesLee> they should be 86x86?
Nov 21 20:43:36 <BluesLee> and how do i see if a pic is an svg?
Nov 21 20:43:38 <Ainulindale> Damn the terminal icon changed
Nov 21 20:44:15 <Ainulindale> Wooooh
Nov 21 20:44:19 <Ainulindale> It's slow as hell
Nov 21 20:44:21 <Ainulindale> What's this mess
Nov 21 20:44:26 <BluesLee> Hire: instead of grey you should use a black bg it looks better;-)
Nov 21 20:44:33 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: vala?
Nov 21 20:44:39 <Ainulindale> Yes, vala
Nov 21 20:44:46 <Ainulindale> But anyway it's using Xfbdev right now
Nov 21 20:44:51 <Ainulindale> And not Xglamo
Nov 21 20:44:57 <Ainulindale> I saw this was supposed to be included in latest xorg
Nov 21 20:45:03 <Ainulindale> But with default conf, it didn't work
Nov 21 20:45:31 <dolf1074> Hire: Still busy with the mockups? or found more interesting things :)
Nov 21 20:45:50 <Ainulindale> Well, xserver-kdrive-xglamo didn't get installed
Nov 21 20:46:02 <Ainulindale> -x
Nov 21 20:46:46 <BluesLee> installed navit from the repo, there is no icon for navit on the desktop?
Nov 21 20:47:42 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 21 20:47:48 <BluesLee> navit:main:Error parsing '/usr/share/navit/navit.xml': Failed to open file '/usr/share/navit/maps/*.xml': No such file or directory at line 166, char 52
Nov 21 20:47:49 <Ainulindale> That's normal and known
Nov 21 20:47:53 <Ainulindale> Normal too
Nov 21 20:47:56 <Ainulindale> Default conf is a mess
Nov 21 20:48:03 <BluesLee> oh
Nov 21 20:48:04 <Ainulindale> You even have to change some paths
Nov 21 20:48:11 <Ainulindale> I won't fix it for now, other stuff to do
Nov 21 20:48:22 <Ainulindale> Such as freaking the glamo issue =)
Nov 21 20:48:50 <BluesLee> can i remove all packages related to navit?
Nov 21 20:48:51 <dolf1074> what is that, glamo?
Nov 21 20:48:54 <dolf1074> joking :)
Nov 21 20:49:04 <BluesLee> and which are not used by other apps?
Nov 21 20:50:14 <Ainulindale> No idea
Nov 21 21:04:33 <Hire> BluesLee: if evas is compiled with svg support you can use the svg icons
Nov 21 21:04:57 <Hire> or you have to convert svg to png 86x86
Nov 21 21:05:37 <Hire> dolf1074: yes but edc are the hell 
Nov 21 21:05:40 <BluesLee> i converted them
Nov 21 21:06:06 <BluesLee> are there big advantages of using svg, speed or whatever
Nov 21 21:06:39 <dolf1074> Hire: I know, I'm trying to port shr-settings to c (actually just rewriting) and it's not working that good.
Nov 21 21:11:08 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: I don't think that's a priority :-)
Nov 21 21:11:25 <dolf1074> No, but it's good for me for learning edje
Nov 21 21:11:44 <Ainulindale> Why not using python?
Nov 21 21:12:27 <dolf1074> because it woudn't work :( Problems with python not saying where he suddenly stopped and so on)
Nov 21 21:12:53 <BluesLee> Hire: i lost some shapeness from the conversion to 86x86, hmmm
Nov 21 21:27:55 <mwester> Ok.  The gta01 image (lite) version seems to work much, much better than the previous days gta01 full images.
Nov 21 21:28:09 <mwester> Still some tweaks required, but minor, overall.
Nov 21 21:28:12 <Hire> BluesLee: you have to scaling with lazcros filter
Nov 21 21:28:15 <mwester> tangoGPS is missing.
Nov 21 21:28:17 <Hire> them
Nov 21 21:28:22 <Kensan> mwester: hi there
Nov 21 21:28:31 <mwester> Adding tangogps via opkg works, but no icon on the desktop.
Nov 21 21:28:35 <Kensan> mwester: I am fiddling around with debugboard but still no success.
Nov 21 21:28:49 <mwester> Anyone know where to find the desktop icon configuration for e?
Nov 21 21:28:55 <mwester> Kensan: allo
Nov 21 21:29:35 <mwester> Kensan:  plug in just the debug board, power up the FR on battery to u-boot.
Nov 21 21:29:43 <Ainulindale> mwester: Yes I didn't regenerate it
Nov 21 21:29:51 <Ainulindale> mwester: the task was borked and didn't generate a warning
Nov 21 21:30:08 <mwester> You will have only one new USB serial device; that'll be the debug port serial device.
Nov 21 21:30:22 <mwester> Ainulindale:  where do I look to add an icon for the desktop?
Nov 21 21:30:38 <Ainulindale> => /usr/share/applications or something like that
Nov 21 21:30:52 <mwester> ah, ok
Nov 21 21:30:57 <Hire> /usr/share/applications
Nov 21 21:31:24 <mwester> hm.  openmoko-terminal2  does not take command line arguments?  htop doesn't work 
Nov 21 21:31:32 <Kensan> mwester: I have /dev/ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1 of which ttyUSB1 is the serial console according to the wiki
Nov 21 21:31:34 <Ainulindale> mwester: there's no more openmoko-terminal2
Nov 21 21:31:41 <Ainulindale> This was why it was borking the task
Nov 21 21:31:44 <Ainulindale> now it's vala terminal
Nov 21 21:31:50 <mwester> oh
Nov 21 21:31:50 <Ainulindale> I switched that but didn't regenreate the image yet
Nov 21 21:32:03 <Ainulindale> I'm trying to fix the glamo thing
Nov 21 21:32:12 <Ainulindale> But now you should use fdbdev
Nov 21 21:32:13 <Ainulindale> -d
Nov 21 21:32:20 <Ainulindale> (Please check :-) )
Nov 21 21:32:30 <mwester> There is only Xfbdev on the image -- you seem to have fixed that.
Nov 21 21:32:57 <mwester> And enlightenment no longer consumes ~ 10% CPU
Nov 21 21:32:58 <Kensan> mwester: but I am not able to get to uboot via serial :( cu tells me it's connected but there's no prompt and I can't send any commands.
Nov 21 21:33:07 <mwester> And it no longer takes 20+ seconds to start up an app.
Nov 21 21:33:12 <mwester> Much better :)
Nov 21 21:33:16 <Ainulindale> Nice :-)
Nov 21 21:33:19 <mwester> Oh - and the language selection is back.
Nov 21 21:33:42 <mwester> I did have to get rid of that horrible, awful exquisitely bad boot splash
Nov 21 21:34:29 <mwester> And I had to fix frameworkd.conf so that it didn't spew it's guts into syslog, resulting in hiding all the messages of interest with tons of python blabbering.
Nov 21 21:35:05 <Ainulindale> Huh?
Nov 21 21:35:08 <Ainulindale> What do you mean
Nov 21 21:35:12 <Ainulindale> It's supposed to write to /tmp
Nov 21 21:35:49 <kd8ikt> Kensan: i use neocon instead of cu 
Nov 21 21:35:53 <mwester> It doesn't; the config was set to write to the syslog
Nov 21 21:35:53 <kd8ikt> i like it
Nov 21 21:36:03 <Ainulindale> mwester: That's not normal
Nov 21 21:36:04 <kd8ikt> new shr build?
Nov 21 21:36:05 <Kensan> kd8ikt: via debugboard?
Nov 21 21:36:09 <mwester> neocon is far better 
Nov 21 21:36:12 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: wait for me to test it
Nov 21 21:36:22 <kd8ikt> mewnts to test too ;)
Nov 21 21:36:41 <mwester> hmm... so where are icons supposed to be on e?
Nov 21 21:37:02 <kd8ikt> i'm dying of boredom and if i were to compile an image it would take like 48hrs
Nov 21 21:37:05 * Hire is going to watch Californication
Nov 21 21:37:07 <Ainulindale> mwester: the real icons or the desktop files?
Nov 21 21:37:17 <kd8ikt> is it on bearstech?
Nov 21 21:37:20 <Ainulindale> Indeed
Nov 21 21:37:27 <mwester> I didn't know there was a difference, I only see the ones on my screen 
Nov 21 21:37:43 <mwester> I'm trying to patch in an item so I can start tangogps
Nov 21 21:37:48 <mwester> ls
Nov 21 21:37:52 <von_fritz> normaly icons are in /usr/share/pixmaps
Nov 21 21:38:10 <Ainulindale> mwester: the desktop definitions are in /usr/share/applications
Nov 21 21:38:17 <Ainulindale> That is where you can modify the command
Nov 21 21:38:18 <mwester> I have tangogps.desktop in the right place
Nov 21 21:38:31 <mwester> It was installed, I guess.
Nov 21 21:38:41 <Kensan> holy crap, neocon works
Nov 21 21:38:49 <Kensan> hm but why didnt cu work...
Nov 21 21:38:53 <mwester> cu sucks
Nov 21 21:39:00 <Kensan> I also tried screen
Nov 21 21:39:17 <kd8ikt> neocon is awesome aint it?
Nov 21 21:39:19 <Kensan> which worked via usb (not debugboard)
Nov 21 21:39:24 <kd8ikt> copy/paste friendly
Nov 21 21:39:32 <mwester> How do I make the desktop re-read that directory?
Nov 21 21:39:57 <Ainulindale> mwester: it does automagically
Nov 21 21:40:02 <Ainulindale> (supposedly)
Nov 21 21:40:16 <mwester> then something is borked with the tangogps.desktop that got installed with the pacakge.
Nov 21 21:40:18 <Hire> you are right
Nov 21 21:40:31 <Hire> this is weird
Nov 21 21:40:32 <Kensan> well great stuff
Nov 21 21:40:33 <Hire> because I get it
Nov 21 21:40:34 <Kensan> :)
Nov 21 21:40:51 <BluesLee> oh man, rescaling of icons is a real hard job
Nov 21 21:41:04 <Kensan> yay for debug kernel output
Nov 21 21:41:18 <kd8ikt> cant gimp do that via a batch type job
Nov 21 21:41:29 <BluesLee> thats not the problem
Nov 21 21:41:30 <Hire> you can use imagemagick
Nov 21 21:41:30 <vininim> Do you have to get a fix per reboot or per GPS on/off ?
Nov 21 21:41:34 <vininim> *first fix
Nov 21 21:41:45 <kd8ikt> both i'd think
Nov 21 21:41:55 <Kensan> mwester: about the gsm UART FIQ rework. do you happen to still have your patches somewhere?
Nov 21 21:41:56 <vininim> also, does the GPS suspend into low energy mode?
Nov 21 21:42:03 <BluesLee> kd8ikt: you can use convert for that, part of image magick
Nov 21 21:42:17 <mwester> Kensan:  long gone I'm afraid
Nov 21 21:42:17 <kd8ikt> yay 
Nov 21 21:42:36 <vininim> (without losing fix, that is)
Nov 21 21:42:37 <BluesLee> kd8ikt: the loss of quality, ididnt expected that
Nov 21 21:42:46 <kd8ikt> ah
Nov 21 21:43:09 <Ainulindale> Damn
Nov 21 21:43:13 <BluesLee> kd8ikt: 128x128 -> 86x86
Nov 21 21:43:15 <Ainulindale> Can't get Xglamo to run
Nov 21 21:43:17 <kd8ikt> worse thinks could and have happened
Nov 21 21:43:37 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: don't install latest
Nov 21 21:43:49 <kd8ikt> will it meltdown my neo?
Nov 21 21:44:00 <Kensan> mwester: oh too bad :( I wanted to take a quick look at those.
Nov 21 21:44:02 <kd8ikt> cause right now nothing is installed
Nov 21 21:44:08 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: no, but there's no glamo
Nov 21 21:44:18 <kd8ikt> oh, well that sux
Nov 21 21:44:36 * kd8ikt cancels download
Nov 21 21:44:54 <Ainulindale> Damn glamo won't get installed
Nov 21 21:45:04 <Ainulindale> Can't get why
Nov 21 21:45:11 <kd8ikt> glamo the cause to most problems
Nov 21 21:45:47 <kd8ikt> isnt anyone at om working on a non NDA doc yet?
Nov 21 21:45:48 <Kensan> dolf1074: didn't you provide me with an ftp account on your server?
Nov 21 21:45:57 <dolf1074> yes
Nov 21 21:46:20 <dolf1074> ftp.alasal.be
Nov 21 21:46:25 <dolf1074> http://alasal.be/kensan/
Nov 21 21:46:27 <Kensan> dolf1074: My server finally made it to the datacenter so I won't be using that anymore :)
Nov 21 21:46:46 <dolf1074> ok ;) will delete it
Nov 21 21:46:49 <Kensan> dolf1074: thanks for the account though.
Nov 21 21:46:57 <dolf1074> np
Nov 21 21:50:17 <Kensan> Ainulindale: is shr currently building without errors?
Nov 21 21:50:34 <Ainulindale> Without errors, yes
Nov 21 21:50:38 <Ainulindale> Without problems, no
Nov 21 21:53:08 <Kensan> Ainulindale: right, I am going to kick-off a build anyway
Nov 21 21:58:33 <Ainulindale> mwester: I now know why you had Xglamo
Nov 21 22:00:16 <kd8ikt> that the xorg glamo module?
Nov 21 22:00:38 <Ainulindale> Yep
Nov 21 22:00:45 <Ainulindale> That's because I cleaned the build process :-)
Nov 21 22:03:18 <Kensan> Ainulindale: do I still need to apply rasters patches? I thought stefan_schmid had applied them.
Nov 21 22:03:21 <Kensan> to oe
Nov 21 22:03:42 <Ainulindale> Not all of them
Nov 21 22:13:57 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: why are applications like openmoko-dialer3 split up into the lib...-phonegui-efl and it's own package?
Nov 21 22:14:18 <Ainulindale> Because openmoko-*3 apps are only meta apps
Nov 21 22:14:24 <Ainulindale> The actual code is in lfp-efl
Nov 21 22:14:32 <Ainulindale> That's done that way in order to be able to switch UI
Nov 21 22:14:46 <Ainulindale> i.e. having openmoko-dialer3 use GTK and messages use EFL for instance
Nov 21 22:15:11 <dolf1074> okay I understand
Nov 21 22:16:44 <mwester> Bl'dy 'eck.   "Categories=Office;" is required for the .desktop item to appear on the desktop...  that was fun.  NOT!
Nov 21 22:17:22 <kd8ikt> cant change it to any/all
Nov 21 22:17:25 <kd8ikt> ?
Nov 21 22:18:11 <mwester> I don't know.  I had no idea that something was filtering that.
Nov 21 22:18:45 <mwester> It would be nice if there was even a smidgeon on documentation on these "little tiny insignificant" details.  grrr..
Nov 21 22:19:22 <tomboy64> :)
Nov 21 22:19:35 * tomboy64 gets mwester some tea
Nov 21 22:20:29 <BluesLee> there are no categeories within illume
Nov 21 22:21:39 <mwester> Categories=GTK;Application;Office;   <--------- without the "Office;" string, this desktop file will be ignored.
Nov 21 22:22:59 <BluesLee> mwester: i know, but there is no logical sense for categories in illume, menu or whatever
Nov 21 22:23:05 <Ainulindale> mwester: If you had asked me that I would have told you
Nov 21 22:24:18 <mwester> I didn't know to ask that specific question.  I was trying to figure out why the .desktop file that got installed with tangogps was not displaying anything...   it is difficult to ask or google when one lacks even the keywords to form such a query.
Nov 21 22:24:32 <Ainulindale> Heh :-)
Nov 21 22:24:35 <kd8ikt> put down the knife wester grab a beer
Nov 21 22:24:43 <Ainulindale> mwester: though you see now the problem of maintaining a distro
Nov 21 22:24:53 <Ainulindale> Apps won't appear after upgrades, potentially
Nov 21 22:25:11 <mwester> I'm well familair with it, I am the maintainer of the OE-based Unslugn and SlugOS distros
Nov 21 22:25:23 <kd8ikt> cant ya just hardcode illume to ignore the category and post up everything?
Nov 21 22:25:25 <Ainulindale> Didn't know that :-)
Nov 21 22:25:31 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: Tell that to raster
Nov 21 22:25:39 <kd8ikt> no he scares me
Nov 21 22:25:47 <mwester> We generally get rid of such desktop distinctions that have no applicability to small devices.
Nov 21 22:26:35 <BluesLee> no
Nov 21 22:26:47 <BluesLee> maybe we need to implement something;-)
Nov 21 22:27:14 <Ainulindale> s/we/you/
Nov 21 22:27:37 <BluesLee> something like a cubus of desktops so that can use glamos 3d features to rotate them;-)
Nov 21 22:28:21 <Ainulindale> Yeah, glamo 3D, let me laugh for a while =)
Nov 21 22:28:28 <BluesLee> hehe
Nov 21 22:28:45 <dolf1074>  is there a gdb for shr?
Nov 21 22:29:37 <BluesLee> mwester: it makes sense to have several desktops ... scrolling is a joke
Nov 21 22:29:46 <mwester> No, we need to focus on simplification, and add complexity only where necessary.  For example, there are NO options of any significance for the display on the GTA0x devices, so there's no reason for there to be any options to change resolution, color depth, etc.  So why is it that we have those options in there, while that same package doesnt' have a means to automatcially seelct the xfbdev driver vs the glamo driver?!  
Nov 21 22:30:34 <mwester> dolf1074:  gdb is a casualty of some recent build cleanups.  it's not in the feeds at present.
Nov 21 22:31:04 <dolf1074> ok :( Will try to debug with print ;)
Nov 21 22:31:05 <BluesLee> mwester: thats correct. but imagine you have installed lets say 30-50 applications. will it be simple to scroll and to catch the right one?
Nov 21 22:31:20 <dolf1074> subdirectories? anyone?
Nov 21 22:31:25 <mwester> Fix that problem when you get there.
Nov 21 22:31:43 <mwester> Right now, we dont' have even a dozen properly working applications to isntall.
Nov 21 22:31:45 <BluesLee> i am there since illume entered 
Nov 21 22:32:42 <mwester> Again, this is the same problem that has so royally screwed openmoko since day 1 ---- GUI-first development.  Folks doing interior decorating before the walls are built.
Nov 21 22:33:02 <mwester> So we know illume can do thousands of desktop icons.
Nov 21 22:33:15 <mwester> Great.  One day, we'll be able to do that.
Nov 21 22:33:18 <BluesLee> you can distribute opened apps on 4 screens:-)
Nov 21 22:33:39 <mwester> But until then, 99.9999999999999999999999999 % of the users who only need a dozen or less should find it EASY to add an icon to thedesktop.
Nov 21 22:34:22 <mwester> So to add categories and crap like that before it even works right is painting the walls before the drywall has been installed.  Waste of time for everyone.
Nov 21 22:34:41 <BluesLee> hmmm
Nov 21 22:35:04 <BluesLee> sure you are right, but i would think in that way i would have sold my freerunner
Nov 21 22:35:19 <mwester> I dont' get what you're saying.
Nov 21 22:35:41 <BluesLee> as i am sure that some hardware related problems will not be solved 
Nov 21 22:35:46 <Ainulindale> Round I, fight !
Nov 21 22:35:51 <BluesLee> :-)
Nov 21 22:35:55 <mwester> BluesLee:  you make no sense.
Nov 21 22:36:32 <mwester> The existing low-level problems are not solved for *exactly the reason* that Openmoko spent all their effort on eye-candy.
Nov 21 22:37:46 <mwester> A fully-functional framework should have been built, driven by text menus from ssh-sessions, to suspend/resume, place calls, rcv calls, manage the wifi, etc, long before anyone started writing pretty pictures to drive it.
Nov 21 22:38:06 <BluesLee> thats right
Nov 21 22:38:18 <mwester> So here we are - 1.5 years AFTER the first devices were built, and thanks to mickeyl we finally have such a framework!
Nov 21 22:38:47 <Ainulindale> mwester: I'll ask you some help in ten minutes
Nov 21 22:38:59 <Ainulindale> I did some modification to reevaluate XSERVER depending on the arch
Nov 21 22:39:04 <Ainulindale> WIll you be able to test it?
Nov 21 22:39:21 <mwester> I'm just saying that we can't go making the same mistake that got Openmoko into this position; the device needs to work -- IMO if the glamo is a problem, then we should be able to make it usable with Xfbdev on all platforms with no optimization.  Ugly, slow, but it needs to work.
Nov 21 22:39:28 <mwester> Ainulindale:  Yes, I'll be albe to test.
Nov 21 22:39:35 <Ainulindale> mwester: Ok then I'll do the same for gta02
Nov 21 22:39:39 <BluesLee> one moment, girlfriend
Nov 21 22:39:49 <Ainulindale> mwester: I just found out tasks weren't ARCH specific
Nov 21 22:40:03 <Ainulindale> So XSERVER was only evaluated for the first ARCH
Nov 21 22:40:14 <Ainulindale> I modified my way to handle that
Nov 21 22:40:35 <Ainulindale> Going off for a bit
Nov 21 22:42:48 <BluesLee> okay, no round II
Nov 21 22:43:15 <BluesLee> in general i have the same opinion as you mwester
Nov 21 22:45:09 <mwester> raster is here, let's torment him.
Nov 21 22:45:15 <BluesLee> hehe
Nov 21 22:45:43 <BluesLee> for instance the gsm/sms apps are the most important ones
Nov 21 22:46:09 <BluesLee> in illume i see all icons in an alphabetic order
Nov 21 22:46:50 <BluesLee> every time you install something new in between the icons move 
Nov 21 22:47:12 <Ainulindale> That depends on the order of the desktop files
Nov 21 22:47:12 <BluesLee> from that point of view the zhone app is a very good idea
Nov 21 22:47:15 <mwester> Yep.  GPS is next on the list, based on popularity anyway.  And Wifi is pretty high -- I'm honestly surprised that folks seem not to be so excited about proper (full) bluetooth support for headsets.
Nov 21 22:47:22 <Ainulindale> raster: elementary-alarm bb recipe is borked, that's why no sound
Nov 21 22:47:46 <Ainulindale> raster: the sound file is referred as $PN/sounds something whereas it should be alarm/something
Nov 21 22:47:57 <Ainulindale> Or the sound path should be renamed
Nov 21 22:47:57 <BluesLee> zhone divides the gsm apps from the rest
Nov 21 22:48:01 <Ainulindale> I fixed that in SHR
Nov 21 22:48:05 <raster> aaaaah
Nov 21 22:48:10 <raster> thats due to my rename
Nov 21 22:48:13 <Ainulindale> yep
Nov 21 22:48:18 <Ainulindale> mwester: image is here
Nov 21 22:48:18 <raster> i should shange the upsteram
Nov 21 22:48:22 <raster> alarm was just gtoo generic
Nov 21 22:48:30 <raster> i was planning on getting to that.
Nov 21 22:51:05 <BluesLee> mwester: i think thats one reason why hire uses the same colors for the same categories  
Nov 21 22:51:38 <mwester> What was the name of that application that one could use to have a shell script put a dialog box up?
Nov 21 22:52:43 <Ainulindale> mwester: curses? :-)
Nov 21 22:52:50 <mwester> :p
Nov 21 22:53:59 <Ainulindale> mwester: well, is this image working?
Nov 21 22:54:05 <Ainulindale> raster: and by the way
Nov 21 22:54:12 <Ainulindale> Please don't do image bb recipes anymore :-)
Nov 21 22:54:16 <Ainulindale> I'll gladly help you with them
Nov 21 22:54:21 <Ainulindale> But please don't do it :-)
Nov 21 22:54:33 <mwester> Ainulindale:  The one I loaded up about 5 hours ago is working ok.
Nov 21 22:54:42 <mwester> Do we have a newer one ready, then?
Nov 21 22:54:45 <Ainulindale> mwester: then keep it safe and try latest :-)
Nov 21 22:54:47 <Ainulindale> Yes
Nov 21 22:54:52 <Ainulindale> With the good desktop files and all
Nov 21 22:54:56 <Ainulindale> And hopefully xfbdev
Nov 21 22:55:05 <Ainulindale> I'm just trying to see if there's xfdev and not xglamo
Nov 21 22:56:40 <mwester> Ok, I shall download and prepare a victim^H^H^H^H neo for installation!
Nov 21 22:56:55 <Ainulindale> gta01 please :-)
Nov 21 22:56:59 <Ainulindale> I'm testing GTA02
Nov 21 22:57:17 <mwester> lite or full image?
Nov 21 22:58:44 <Ainulindale> Hmmm
Nov 21 22:58:46 <Ainulindale> Just wait in fact
Nov 21 22:58:50 <Ainulindale> I have contadictory information there
Nov 21 22:58:59 * mwester has stumped the master!
Nov 21 22:59:21 <Hire> oh no!
Nov 21 22:59:25 <Hire> more lemmings!
Nov 21 22:59:57 <mwester> Lemming! Lemming! Lemming of the B.D.AaaaAAAaa!
Nov 21 23:00:04 <Ainulindale> mwester: I just had a look at task-base
Nov 21 23:00:07 <Ainulindale> And saw what it did
Nov 21 23:00:17 <Ainulindale> It's clearer now
Nov 21 23:00:22 <Ainulindale> (hopefully)
Nov 21 23:00:40 <Ainulindale> Anyway, XGlamo on GTA02, at last
Nov 21 23:01:01 <kd8ikt> that my cue aswell
Nov 21 23:01:19 <kd8ikt> i dont want to grow up i'm an openmoko kid
Nov 21 23:01:42 * Hire continues to watch Californication
Nov 21 23:02:37 <kd8ikt>  ? 21-Nov-2008 23:29 
Nov 21 23:02:41 <Ainulindale> mwester: by the way
Nov 21 23:02:48 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: latest is good
Nov 21 23:02:56 <Ainulindale> latest lite 
Nov 21 23:02:56 <kd8ikt> :D
Nov 21 23:03:06 <kd8ikt> peanut butter jelly time 
Nov 21 23:03:07 <Ainulindale> mwester: by the way, was saying
Nov 21 23:03:13 <mwester> yah?
Nov 21 23:03:18 <raster> Ainulindale:  ?
Nov 21 23:03:22 <mwester> j'attend
Nov 21 23:03:23 <Ainulindale> mwester: are you aware of the "won't come out of suspend if plugged in at boot" bug?
Nov 21 23:03:27 <Ainulindale> raster: yes?
Nov 21 23:03:32 <mwester> Ainulindale:  no.
Nov 21 23:04:06 <Ainulindale> Systematic here on GTA02
Nov 21 23:04:14 <Ainulindale> Is it kernel?
Nov 21 23:04:36 <Ainulindale> Oh god
Nov 21 23:04:38 <Ainulindale> the e screen
Nov 21 23:04:41 <mwester> Ainulindale:  so what's the verdict after looking at task-base -- want me to test the full or lite image?  (/me is formatting an SD card to do either right now)
Nov 21 23:04:43 <Ainulindale> My bear just grew stronger
Nov 21 23:04:45 <Ainulindale> +d
Nov 21 23:04:47 <dcordes> Ainulindale: you come from mid-earth?
Nov 21 23:04:49 <mwester> Ainulindale:  Yes, that would be kernel.
Nov 21 23:04:56 <Ainulindale> dcordes: no :-)
Nov 21 23:05:05 <Ainulindale> mwester: Good I told you about it then :-)
Nov 21 23:05:08 <mwester> :)
Nov 21 23:05:16 <Ainulindale> mwester: I'm regenerating the lite image for GTA01 as we speak
Nov 21 23:05:19 <Ainulindale> With the good  modification
Nov 21 23:05:23 <Ainulindale> It'll work, at last
Nov 21 23:05:34 <Ainulindale> Easy to see
Nov 21 23:05:39 <Ainulindale> If the sizes are different
Nov 21 23:05:39 * mwester deletes the one he just download 10 minutes ago ;)
Nov 21 23:05:47 <Ainulindale> Don't delete it
Nov 21 23:05:48 <Ainulindale> Compare the sizes
Nov 21 23:05:57 <mwester> oh
Nov 21 23:05:58 <Ainulindale> Sorry for that mwester :-)
Nov 21 23:06:26 <Ainulindale> Ok they're different
Nov 21 23:06:26 <raster> Ainulindale:  dont do images?
Nov 21 23:06:27 <Ainulindale> That's nice :-)
Nov 21 23:06:29 <kd8ikt> gone to the big bit bucket in the sky
Nov 21 23:06:34 <Ainulindale> raster: Your bb recipes are awful :-)
Nov 21 23:06:35 <raster> illume image works just fine
Nov 21 23:06:38 <mwester> tell me when it's done... my internet connection await, warmed up and ready.
Nov 21 23:06:52 <Ainulindale> raster: Yeah but nevermind, I was humouring you (badly)
Nov 21 23:06:59 <Ainulindale> KILL ME ALREADY
Nov 21 23:07:04 <Ainulindale> This sms ringtone !
Nov 21 23:07:04 <raster> i dont pretend that it is pretty
Nov 21 23:07:05 <kd8ikt> want my bitbake file for ettercap+gtk
Nov 21 23:07:08 <Ainulindale> raster: I know :-)
Nov 21 23:07:16 <Ainulindale> Oooh nice mixup
Nov 21 23:07:16 <raster> it was fso-image just with stuf commented out and stuff added
Nov 21 23:07:22 <raster> so its really no better/worse
Nov 21 23:08:39 <Ainulindale> FSO image isn't good :-)
Nov 21 23:09:17 <Ainulindale> mwester: image is there
Nov 21 23:09:18 <kd8ikt> the console one?
Nov 21 23:09:21 <Ainulindale> Size is different
Nov 21 23:09:26 <Ainulindale> the bb recipe kd8ikt 
Nov 21 23:11:35 <kd8ikt> http://pastebin.com/d6546d13c
Nov 21 23:11:44 <kd8ikt> be sure to double check the depends
Nov 21 23:12:05 <Ainulindale> I didn't quite follow that discussion :-)
Nov 21 23:12:13 <Ainulindale> Though I have good news
Nov 21 23:12:20 <Ainulindale> frameworkd takes up to 80% cpu
Nov 21 23:12:56 <kd8ikt> time to compile it
Nov 21 23:13:03 <kd8ikt> still a python scripty?
Nov 21 23:16:09 <Ainulindale> Ah and now
Nov 21 23:16:13 <Ainulindale> sftp-server should be there
Nov 21 23:16:49 * mwester wants the full right-and-proper opensshd :)
Nov 21 23:16:55 <Ainulindale> meh :-)
Nov 21 23:18:17 <kd8ikt> holy crap its like 6pm here EST
Nov 21 23:18:56 <kd8ikt> last i sat down i was drinking my morning vault
Nov 21 23:19:30 <quatrox> kd8ikt: you are way behind
Nov 21 23:19:58 <quatrox> here it is 00:19 =)
Nov 21 23:21:51 <quatrox> (so you are in the past)
Nov 21 23:26:09 <kd8ikt> time doesnt exist
Nov 21 23:27:17 <quatrox> time is the 4th dimension
Nov 21 23:27:39 <quatrox> it exists:)
Nov 21 23:30:34 <quatrox> kd8ikt: If frameworkd still is in python, would it make sense to port it to C?
Nov 21 23:32:41 <kd8ikt> my sources say yes
Nov 21 23:32:57 <kd8ikt> says the magic8ball
Nov 21 23:34:12 <quatrox> :)
Nov 21 23:35:11 <Hire> i say no
Nov 21 23:35:16 <Hire> we all loves python
Nov 21 23:35:30 <quatrox> true
Nov 21 23:35:37 <quatrox> but C is faster
Nov 21 23:35:45 <quatrox> less footprint
Nov 21 23:35:58 <quatrox> and the framework is heavy
Nov 21 23:36:17 <quatrox> but
Nov 21 23:36:17 <Hire> with python you can do better sex
Nov 21 23:36:26 <Hire> and you can also do more work in less time
Nov 21 23:36:47 <quatrox> and less bugs
Nov 21 23:37:10 <quatrox> more scaleable, but slooooooooooow
Nov 21 23:39:09 <kd8ikt> does skipping the step of crosscompiling really save all that much time?
Nov 21 23:39:26 <Hire> but sadly the lastest time I did sex is 2 months ago so for now I will say: "python is nice if you have to work with a big task - as a framework - because with that it is more easy to have control on bug and you can work more than an C with less time"
Nov 21 23:40:21 <Hire> and C isn't OO
Nov 21 23:40:36 <Ainulindale> (wrong)
Nov 21 23:40:41 <Ainulindale> (see vala)
Nov 21 23:41:41 <Hire> vala is a wip
Nov 21 23:43:17 <quatrox> GTK+ is OO
Nov 21 23:43:24 <quatrox> and uses C
Nov 21 23:43:39 <Hire> i prefer C, however
Nov 21 23:43:54 <Hire> but....
Nov 21 23:43:59 <Hire> .... i am not a programmer :D
Nov 21 23:44:10 <quatrox> same for me
Nov 21 23:44:31 <Hire> for my sake
Nov 21 23:45:55 <quatrox> I could maybe help with some trivial parts, once I get time (not sure when)
Nov 21 23:46:23 <Hire> you can work on opimd :D
Nov 21 23:46:27 <Hire> opimd opimd opimd
Nov 21 23:47:16 <quatrox> hmm
Nov 21 23:47:33 <quatrox> I need to learn python:)
Nov 21 23:47:33 * Hire becomes a bit monothematic
Nov 21 23:47:43 <Hire> everyone loves python !
Nov 21 23:47:55 <quatrox> yes
Nov 21 23:48:06 <Hire> i want to do sex with python!
Nov 21 23:48:15 <Hire> uhm...
Nov 21 23:48:17 <quatrox> thats how it got its name
Nov 21 23:48:38 <Hire> i need more beers to "refresh" my mind
Nov 21 23:52:20 <Ainulindale> Hmpf
Nov 21 23:52:27 <Ainulindale> tangogps won't let the GPS open
Nov 21 23:52:31 * kd8ikt throws a bottle of beer that hits Hire sqaure in the head... refreshing?
Nov 22 00:04:54 <mwester> Ainulindale:  that last GTA01 image (lite version) was good.  whatever you did, don't break it!! :)
Nov 22 00:05:04 <mwester> I'll try the jffs2 version later
Nov 22 00:05:35 <mwester> It still won't ring whenit gets a call after it suspends; I'll try to look at that this evening.
Nov 22 00:05:36 <Ainulindale> Good :-)
Nov 22 00:05:46 <Ainulindale> Huh?
Nov 22 00:06:09 <Ainulindale> That may be due to the flow control thing, wouldn't it?
Nov 22 00:06:30 <mwester> I "brute forced" the flow control; it still failed so there's something else wrong.
Nov 22 00:07:21 <Ainulindale> Give me logs and I'll help you as soon as my girlfriend will stop bugging me
Nov 22 00:08:59 <mwester> I must prepare some dinner with the wife here, so it will be some time before I can get back to my toys here.  :)  
Nov 22 00:13:27 <kd8ikt> bah
Nov 22 00:17:29 <Hire> it is the bed time so i have to go
Nov 22 00:17:34 <Hire> good night :)
Nov 22 00:22:24 <Kensan> raster: ping
Nov 22 00:35:04 <mwester> Ainulindale:  http://pastebin.ca/1263951   and   http://pastebin.ca/1263953     <==== logs -- beginnnig just before the gta01 was suspended via power button, then incoming phone call wakes device, no ring, no response. :(
Nov 22 00:35:17 <mwester> Now I must go for a while. 
Nov 22 00:36:26 <Ainulindale> mwester: no signal in there
Nov 22 00:36:48 <mwester> what do you mean by that?
Nov 22 00:36:56 <Ainulindale> no incoming signal
Nov 22 00:37:03 <Ainulindale> frameworkd didn't pick up the call, it seems
Nov 22 00:37:29 <mwester> The gsm wakes the phone, you can see the incoming AT commands from the driver (first pastebin).
Nov 22 00:37:35 <Ainulindale> Yeah, I agree
Nov 22 00:37:37 <Ainulindale> But nonetheless
Nov 22 00:37:40 <Ainulindale> It didn't pick up the call
Nov 22 00:37:46 <mwester> The second shows the frameworkd reading it.
Nov 22 00:37:56 <Ainulindale> Would it pick up the call, you'd have seen a CallXXX signal
Nov 22 00:38:09 <Ainulindale> s/engrish/proper english/
Nov 22 00:38:11 <mwester> Oh, by signal you mean dbus.
Nov 22 00:38:16 <Ainulindale> Yeah
Nov 22 00:38:27 <Ainulindale> And that's interesting
Nov 22 00:38:40 <Ainulindale> First thing you received is CPI 1,0
Nov 22 00:38:57 <mwester> yeah, frameworkd did not understand something.  But what I find interesting is that the incoming data is repeated over and over, and frameworkd doesnt' know what to do with *ANY* of it.  very fragile.
Nov 22 00:39:10 <Ainulindale> When you miss a step
Nov 22 00:39:13 <Ainulindale> There's a good chance you'll fall
Nov 22 00:39:24 <mwester> The data is redundant.
Nov 22 00:39:38 <Ainulindale> See that
Nov 22 00:39:40 <Ainulindale> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py;h=a0bd3a0f9e6f77dc2f2f3ea6e58faca8f4940c1f;hb=HEAD
Nov 22 00:39:43 <Ainulindale> Line 173
Nov 22 00:39:57 <Ainulindale> An example of what you should have, and expect detection
Nov 22 00:40:02 <mwester> And many times I see my other cell phone ring when it has no caller id -- so I think even if frameworkd missed the CPI info, it should do SOMETHING with the CRING info.
Nov 22 00:40:30 <Ainulindale> CPI is not missing here
Nov 22 00:40:52 <Ainulindale> Your log, line 75
Nov 22 00:41:06 <mwester> yes.
Nov 22 00:41:42 <mwester> I'm just noting that even if the data were missing, it should be able to do something with the lot that follows.
Nov 22 00:42:14 <Ainulindale> I see your point
Nov 22 00:42:16 <mwester> That's like TCP dumping all the packets it's recieved when it gets the first out-of-order packet.
Nov 22 00:42:45 <Ainulindale> Good example indeed :-)
Nov 22 00:42:56 <mwester> I'll get more logs, but I've also discovered that the suspend button is a once-per-boot item.
Nov 22 00:43:33 <Ainulindale> Huh?
Nov 22 00:43:33 <Ainulindale> No.
Nov 22 00:43:38 <Ainulindale> You mean the setting?
Nov 22 00:44:04 <mwester> Pushing the power button to enter suspend only works once, thereafter there is no way to suspend.
Nov 22 00:44:12 <Ainulindale> Huh?
Nov 22 00:44:14 <Ainulindale> Let me try that
Nov 22 00:44:31 <Ainulindale> Nope
Nov 22 00:44:33 <Ainulindale> Working well here
Nov 22 00:45:31 <mwester> ok.  maybe gta01-specific
Nov 22 00:46:21 <Kensan> uh oh :(
Nov 22 00:46:43 <Kensan> I should really get my neo back.
Nov 22 00:46:58 <Ainulindale> mwester: What I don't understand is why the CPI 1,0 message didn't trigger the call signal
Nov 22 00:47:09 <kd8ikt> how do you know if tango is reading the gpsdata from framework? should it show it in the logs?
Nov 22 00:47:25 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: I noticed tango didn't manage to enable the GPS properly
Nov 22 00:47:35 <Ainulindale> I don't know which thing would cause that
Nov 22 00:47:51 <kd8ikt> lovely
Nov 22 00:47:55 <Ainulindale> Indeed
Nov 22 00:48:11 <kd8ikt> one of my most cherished and commonly opened apps
Nov 22 00:48:23 <Ainulindale> Too bad, I'm not responsible for that one hopefully :-)
Nov 22 00:49:32 <kd8ikt> illume keeps crashing on me 
Nov 22 00:49:36 <Ainulindale> mwester: maybe that's because the output doesn't match
Nov 22 00:49:38 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: mixer app enabled?
Nov 22 00:49:42 <kd8ikt> RASTER!
Nov 22 00:49:44 <kd8ikt> no
Nov 22 00:49:50 <Ainulindale> Well, here no crash
Nov 22 00:49:52 <nomeata> Hi SHR guys. Some of your packages (e.g. libframeworkd-phonegui) have GPL-3 in their COPYING, but specify GPL-2 as the license in the source files. I’d be grateful if this could be cleaned up.
Nov 22 00:50:18 <kd8ikt> i go straight for removing clock and  adding gsm then remove/add battery (so its at the far right)
Nov 22 00:50:18 <Ainulindale> nomeata: Not our priority right now I'm afraid
Nov 22 00:51:06 <nomeata> Ainulindale: willing to accept patches? is GPL-2 or GPL-3 your intention?
Nov 22 00:51:21 <kd8ikt> jeez
Nov 22 00:51:24 <Ainulindale> nomeata: We didn't think about it :-)
Nov 22 00:51:30 <Ainulindale> nomeata: But yes, willing to accept patches indeed
Nov 22 00:51:40 <Ainulindale> mwester: What seems also weird to me is that the line is cut
Nov 22 00:51:50 <Ainulindale> the CPI line isn't complete, it seems
Nov 22 00:51:50 <kd8ikt> anything i write goes under the WTF license
Nov 22 00:52:10 <kd8ikt> WTFPL
Nov 22 00:52:27 <nomeata> Ainulindale: hmm, ok. this needs to be resolved before any packages could enter Debian proper, but for the pkg-fso staging repository, we won’t be so strict.
Nov 22 00:52:28 <Ainulindale> I'd rather use DSS
Nov 22 00:52:38 <Ainulindale> nomeata: Indeed
Nov 22 00:52:50 <Ainulindale> nomeata: Did I tell you I hate Debian and its policies? :-)
Nov 22 00:53:01 <Ainulindale> (And I'm a gentooist)
Nov 22 00:53:03 <Ainulindale> (different sect)
Nov 22 00:53:07 <nomeata> Ainulindale: no, but you are not the only one :-)
Nov 22 00:53:21 <kd8ikt> DSS?
Nov 22 00:53:21 <Ainulindale> :-)
Nov 22 00:53:36 <Ainulindale> If I recall correctly it means "Diemerden Sie Sich"
Nov 22 00:53:42 <Ainulindale> Not sure about how to write that
Nov 22 00:53:50 <Ainulindale> But I know the meaning, and that's enough =)
Nov 22 00:53:52 <nomeata> but consitent licencing is a good thing on it own, independently of Debian
Nov 22 00:53:59 <Ainulindale> nomeata: Indeed
Nov 22 00:54:25 <Ainulindale> nomeata: It's just that reviewing and copying the right files and licenses is a boring thing
Nov 22 00:55:00 <nomeata> Ainulindale: yupp
Nov 22 00:55:05 <Ainulindale> Well anyway
Nov 22 00:55:08 <Ainulindale> Going to sleep
Nov 22 00:55:11 <Ainulindale> See you later :-)
Nov 22 00:55:19 <nomeata> Ainulindale: another thing: frameworkd-phonegui has a useless dependency on frameworkd-glib, it seems
Nov 22 00:55:29 <nomeata> allright, sleep well, I’ll note it in trac
Nov 22 00:57:33 <Kensan> Ainulindale: about mwesters log
Nov 22 00:58:27 <Kensan> Ainulindale: isnt it a problem that ogsmd is getting CPI before "2008.11.21 06:22:02 ousaged  DEBUG    resuming GSM"
Nov 22 01:02:39 <kd8ikt> yeah i'm not seeing anything gps related in the frameworklog in regards to tangogps
Nov 22 01:03:00 <kd8ikt> wonder how i'd go about resolving that
Nov 22 01:10:34 <Kensan> raster: ping
Nov 22 02:13:48 <raster> Kensan:  pon
Nov 22 02:21:36 <mwester> +g
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