**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 23 02:59:57 2008
Nov 23 03:02:47 <raster> tmzt: ?
Nov 23 03:10:02 <tmzt> raster: I read a comment that efl doesn't support key inputs for navigation but only touchscreen.
Nov 23 03:10:22 <tmzt> raster: Specifically, making zhone or shr work on devices without touchscreens
Nov 23 04:45:35 <raster> tmzt: efl of course supports key input
Nov 23 04:45:53 <raster> how do u think we ever enter any text into entry boxes
Nov 23 04:45:58 <raster> or scroll with arrow keys...
Nov 23 04:56:09 <tmzt> raster: < Kensan> stefan_schmidt: btw, I asked raster about e/illume for non ts  devices and he said that was not supportet atm.
Nov 23 04:56:18 <tmzt> raster: that is what I am referring to
Nov 23 05:00:03 <raster> tmzt: illume doesnt
Nov 23 05:00:10 <raster> e uses keys - partly
Nov 23 05:00:15 <raster> but its not fully functional
Nov 23 05:00:19 <raster> u wont be able to launch things
Nov 23 05:00:31 <raster> or show/hide kbd, or access the top bbar
Nov 23 05:00:34 <raster> thats all mouse driven
Nov 23 05:16:14 <tmzt> is there anyway to browse shr sources on the web?
Nov 23 05:27:06 <raster> no idea
Nov 23 05:31:37 <kd8ikt> tmzt: http://shr.bearstech.com/git/  http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/
Nov 23 05:32:55 <kd8ikt> Ainulindale: did you use that gtk bitbake? how would one go to add a .desktop launcher?
Nov 23 05:33:21 <kd8ikt> eterhat
Nov 23 07:48:43 <Ainulindale> Hey guys
Nov 23 07:48:48 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: What do you mean?
Nov 23 08:19:04 <Ainulindale> Hey BluesLee 
Nov 23 08:19:21 <BluesLee> good morning
Nov 23 08:19:55 <BluesLee> do you need new tickets?;-)
Nov 23 08:20:23 <Ainulindale> I'm closing tickets as we speak
Nov 23 08:20:40 <BluesLee> just a joke, i am quite happy with shr, good job!
Nov 23 08:20:52 <Ainulindale> Still a bunch of things missing
Nov 23 08:20:59 <Ainulindale> I'm wondering about this no accents issue.
Nov 23 08:20:59 <BluesLee> i know
Nov 23 08:21:19 <BluesLee> number?
Nov 23 08:21:37 <Ainulindale> I'm wondering about this no accents issue.
Nov 23 08:21:38 <Ainulindale> Grmbl
Nov 23 08:21:41 <Ainulindale> #48
Nov 23 08:21:44 <Ainulindale> 58
Nov 23 08:21:45 <Ainulindale> Sorry
Nov 23 08:22:49 <BluesLee> okay, #48 was also present some time ago for me but no more
Nov 23 08:22:55 <Ainulindale> 58, not 48
Nov 23 08:23:12 <Ainulindale> http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/58
Nov 23 08:23:44 <BluesLee> ???
Nov 23 08:24:02 <BluesLee> i use a german dictionary
Nov 23 08:24:46 <BluesLee> the only problem is with umlauts ö ä ü
Nov 23 08:24:54 <Ainulindale> Yeah that's the problem
Nov 23 08:24:56 <BluesLee> everything else works for me
Nov 23 08:25:49 <BluesLee> i think that the fso image users have the same problem or not?
Nov 23 08:26:01 <BluesLee> one moment, will ask them
Nov 23 08:26:05 <Ainulindale> Possible
Nov 23 08:26:45 <BluesLee> i think they are sleeping:-)
Nov 23 08:27:31 <BluesLee> and its not about accents
Nov 23 08:27:48 <BluesLee> i could type the euro symbol afair
Nov 23 08:27:54 <BluesLee> couldnt
Nov 23 08:28:10 <BluesLee> one moment, will try it
Nov 23 08:29:35 <BluesLee> euro symbol doesnt work for me
Nov 23 08:33:54 <BluesLee> but i use my own keyboard files
Nov 23 08:36:44 <Ainulindale> Here, no accents at all
Nov 23 08:38:18 <BluesLee> is it normal that the brightness settings in the settings app do not survive a suspen/resume cycle?
Nov 23 08:39:44 <Ainulindale> Yes, this isn't tied to anything
Nov 23 08:47:46 <BluesLee> can i change the brightness via sysfs?
Nov 23 08:49:20 <_ferric> good morning.
Nov 23 08:49:31 <BluesLee> hi
Nov 23 08:51:30 <Ainulindale> _ferric: hey !
Nov 23 08:51:32 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: accents issue is not an fso problem
Nov 23 08:51:38 <Ainulindale> Could you please give me the moderator rights on the ML?
Nov 23 08:51:54 <_ferric> Ainulindale: I'd love to.  I've been approving the emails myself and it is a pain in the **@#
Nov 23 08:52:09 <_ferric> Ainulindale: I think I fwd'd the password to the list a while ago
Nov 23 08:52:14 <_ferric> let me send it to you again: email, pls?
Nov 23 08:54:20 <Ainulindale> _ferric: ainulindale at gmail dot com
Nov 23 08:55:17 <_ferric> yep sent already
Nov 23 08:59:50 <Sup3rkiddo> BluesLee, yes you can
Nov 23 09:00:33 <Sup3rkiddo> BluesLee, /sys/class/backlight (if you havent already found out :) )
Nov 23 09:03:24 <Ainulindale> _ferric: thanks
Nov 23 09:04:13 <_ferric> Ainulindale: you're quite welcome, I see SHR's made a ton of progress since I checked it out last :) congrats!
Nov 23 09:06:52 <BluesLee> Sup3rkiddo: hmm, i can change it, but it does not survive a suspend/resume cycle
Nov 23 09:07:50 <BluesLee> Sup3rkiddo: resuming resets the values to highest=57
Nov 23 09:07:54 <Sup3rkiddo> BluesLee, i guess the resume operation flushes the sysfs node with new values then..:/
Nov 23 09:08:33 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: new ticket for you ... ;-)
Nov 23 09:11:14 <Ainulindale> _ferric: when are you helping us then? :-)
Nov 23 09:12:56 <_ferric> Ainulindale: soon, I hope.  I lost my SIM so I've been out of the loop, but I just got a new one, so I'm getting ready to get the latest snapshot 
Nov 23 09:13:04 <Ainulindale> Nice
Nov 23 09:13:30 <_ferric> I'm glad you've finally switched to git
Nov 23 09:14:12 <BluesLee> how do i include necessary infos on the system i use  for a ticket, shr version etc?
Nov 23 09:14:32 <Ainulindale> opkg info ophonekitd and frameworkd
Nov 23 09:17:29 <BluesLee> number #139 on the way
Nov 23 09:20:35 <Ainulindale> well anyway BluesLee 
Nov 23 09:20:37 <Ainulindale> this is dumb
Nov 23 09:20:42 <Ainulindale> frameworkd resets the brightness
Nov 23 09:20:48 <Ainulindale> try to push aux after your echo
Nov 23 09:20:57 <Ainulindale> you'll see
Nov 23 09:21:09 <BluesLee> why it resets the settings?
Nov 23 09:21:16 <Ainulindale> Check your rule.yaml thing
Nov 23 09:21:25 <BluesLee> ohh
Nov 23 09:21:27 <Ainulindale> On input, it sets the brightness
Nov 23 09:21:31 <Ainulindale> By the way
Nov 23 09:21:35 <Ainulindale> I intend to work on a silent flip feature
Nov 23 09:21:40 <BluesLee> but it makes no sense to reset tjem
Nov 23 09:21:52 <BluesLee> okay
Nov 23 09:22:07 <Ainulindale> Though I don't know the state of implementation of the accelerometers
Nov 23 09:22:13 <Ainulindale> Nor the impact on battery
Nov 23 09:22:35 <BluesLee> as a user i will consider battery life
Nov 23 09:22:55 <BluesLee> so i expect that those settings survive
Nov 23 09:23:11 <BluesLee> no problem if i can do it manually
Nov 23 09:23:50 <BluesLee> where is this rule.yaml located?
Nov 23 09:24:03 <BluesLee> here somewhere /etc/freesmartphone/
Nov 23 09:24:40 <BluesLee> got it
Nov 23 09:25:32 <BluesLee> enabled-rules: profilable: yes and type: list and default: [""]
Nov 23 10:13:29 <sakkara> python takes 90%+ cpu in shr on my fr =(
Nov 23 10:13:36 <sakkara> any idea what it could be?
Nov 23 10:13:58 <sakkara> http://pastebin.com/m7123f817
Nov 23 10:14:05 <sakkara> strace of python
Nov 23 10:15:03 <lindi-> sakkara: which process is that?
Nov 23 10:15:28 <sakkara> python
Nov 23 10:15:30 <Ainulindale> frameworkd I bet
Nov 23 10:15:36 <Ainulindale> sakkara: python what?
Nov 23 10:16:01 <lindi-> sakkara: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/240
Nov 23 10:16:03 <Ainulindale> sakkara: check if it's python frameworkd, if it is, reboot
Nov 23 10:16:16 <sakkara> its everytime i boot
Nov 23 10:16:20 <Ainulindale> No SIM?
Nov 23 10:16:49 <sakkara> yes
Nov 23 10:17:00 <Ainulindale> Then lindi- is right
Nov 23 10:17:06 <Ainulindale> Wait a minute I'll compile frameworkd for you
Nov 23 10:17:12 <Ainulindale> s/compile/package
Nov 23 10:18:19 <DocScrutinizer2> ~help substitute
Nov 23 10:18:25 <sakkara> ok, thx =)
Nov 23 10:18:33 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: yeah, I know, forgot a /
Nov 23 10:19:12 <Ainulindale> sakkara: do an opkg update and opkg upgrade now please
Nov 23 10:19:24 <sakkara> ok
Nov 23 10:19:29 <DocScrutinizer2> Ainulindale: know tthe joke to resend with trailing / ?
Nov 23 10:19:39 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: no?
Nov 23 10:20:00 <DocScrutinizer2> s/joke/pun
Nov 23 10:20:06 <DocScrutinizer2> s/joke/pun/
Nov 23 10:20:30 <Ainulindale> Didn't catch that, sorry :-)
Nov 23 10:20:33 <sakkara> signature check failed?
Nov 23 10:20:37 <DocScrutinizer2> duh, forgot we got no apt here :-\
Nov 23 10:20:39 <Ainulindale> Normal sakkara 
Nov 23 10:21:01 <sakkara> and failed to download * error 404?
Nov 23 10:21:17 <DocScrutinizer2> Ainulindale: try in #openmoko ;-)
Nov 23 10:21:32 <Ainulindale> sakkara: for signatures that's normal
Nov 23 10:21:49 <sakkara> ok
Nov 23 10:28:38 <Ainulindale> Hey quickdev 
Nov 23 10:28:54 <quickdev> Hey Ainulindale 
Nov 23 10:28:58 <Ainulindale> quickdev: trying to figure out the multilanguage issue as we speak
Nov 23 10:28:58 <quickdev> everything fine for you?
Nov 23 10:29:01 <Ainulindale> Yep
Nov 23 10:29:04 <Ainulindale> Belly full
Nov 23 10:29:12 <Ainulindale> Balcony with a shitload of beers
Nov 23 10:29:16 <Ainulindale> Everything's fine
Nov 23 10:29:37 <quickdev> hrr :)
Nov 23 10:29:43 <Ainulindale> Currently cleaning the image definition again to use OE tasks
Nov 23 10:29:49 <quickdev> revamped the complete window management yesterday
Nov 23 10:29:53 <quickdev> yeah, fine
Nov 23 10:30:03 <Ainulindale> Saw the commit
Nov 23 10:30:06 <Ainulindale> Nice thing
Nov 23 10:30:10 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I opened a ticket for you
Nov 23 10:30:12 <quickdev> I haven't committed it yet
Nov 23 10:30:21 <quickdev> I have changed _much_ more
Nov 23 10:30:21 <Ainulindale> Oh I thought you were talking about the **thing
Nov 23 10:30:25 <quickdev> no
Nov 23 10:30:26 <Ainulindale> Nice :-)
Nov 23 10:30:32 <Ainulindale> Did you see my t icket about last SMS?
Nov 23 10:30:47 <quickdev> id? 
Nov 23 10:30:47 <Ainulindale> I received the 30th SMS over 30 
Nov 23 10:30:53 <Ainulindale> It trigger the warning
Nov 23 10:30:58 <Ainulindale> But displayed the sms in the warning message
Nov 23 10:31:06 <Ainulindale> and an empty warning message thereafter
Nov 23 10:31:10 <quickdev> yeah...that's fixed with my next commit
Nov 23 10:31:14 <Ainulindale> Cool :-)
Nov 23 10:32:05 <quickdev> and I'll introduce a digital clock in the illume theme
Nov 23 10:32:12 <quickdev> ack? ;)
Nov 23 10:32:37 <quickdev> and we should move to OE soon
Nov 23 10:33:16 <sakkara> Ainulindale: rebootet and works fine now, thank you very much =D
Nov 23 10:34:45 <Hire> quickdev: do you know how? you have to take the old digital clock from om2008.9 and replace it with the analog clock ...
Nov 23 10:35:49 <quickdev> Hire, I know how ;) at least I think I know how
Nov 23 10:37:26 <Hire> good luck ...
Nov 23 10:37:35 <Hire> do you have edit the default.edc?
Nov 23 10:38:30 <Hire> if you have time why not disable the "next and prev" from illume? them takes to much space
Nov 23 10:38:50 <Ainulindale> sakkara: you're welcome
Nov 23 10:38:52 <Ainulindale> quickdev: ack
Nov 23 10:39:03 <Ainulindale> quickdev: as soon as I have the commit access confirmed I'll do the ting
Nov 23 10:39:07 <Ainulindale> +h
Nov 23 10:39:13 <Ainulindale> Though there's tons of things to fix
Nov 23 10:39:19 <Ainulindale> Namely mickeyl introduce some things which won't work
Nov 23 10:39:42 <Ainulindale> Hire: That'sn ot a good idea
Nov 23 10:39:49 <Ainulindale> These features are useful
Nov 23 10:40:10 <Hire> i have always good idea :D
Nov 23 10:41:16 <quickdev> Hire, I like "prev and next"
Nov 23 10:41:31 <Hire> but them takes too much space
Nov 23 10:41:39 <Hire> my custom edje has only next
Nov 23 10:42:17 <Ainulindale> Good god
Nov 23 10:42:29 <Ainulindale> My latest lite image takes up to 102Mo
Nov 23 10:42:32 <Hire> it is useless two things that does the same thing :)
Nov 23 10:42:49 <Ainulindale> Freaking chinese fonts
Nov 23 10:44:09 <quickdev> a bit much, hehe ;)
Nov 23 10:47:44 <quickdev> Hire, one could think about removing _one_ arrow ;)
Nov 23 10:48:02 <Ainulindale> Or reducing their size
Nov 23 10:48:09 <Hire> yes, i told it you before ...
Nov 23 10:48:31 <Sup3rkiddo> i actually like the arrows
Nov 23 10:48:35 <Hire> Ainulindale: damned, you are always right 
Nov 23 10:48:49 <Hire> i prefer to reducing the size of the illume bar
Nov 23 10:48:54 <Sup3rkiddo> but its the keyboard...keys are too small, and i end up selecting the bottom key everytime
Nov 23 10:48:56 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I'll be hard to touch them if they are even smaller ;)
Nov 23 10:49:16 <quickdev> Sup3rkiddo, BluesLee did some keyboard hacks
Nov 23 10:49:29 <Sup3rkiddo> quickdev, oh..cool..
Nov 23 10:49:32 <bumbl> Ainulindale: any eta for the inclusion of #69 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/69 in shr
Nov 23 10:49:56 <Sup3rkiddo> to get more free space, wouldnt be good to decrease the size of battery instead?
Nov 23 10:50:16 <Sup3rkiddo> its toooo fat..and i am fat...makes me depressed
Nov 23 10:50:35 <BluesLee> replace the analog clock by a digital one
Nov 23 10:50:41 <quickdev> BluesLee, just did that
Nov 23 10:50:44 <Sup3rkiddo> yeah
Nov 23 10:50:47 <Sup3rkiddo> quickdev, damn
Nov 23 10:50:49 <BluesLee> fine
Nov 23 10:50:56 <quickdev> will commit it later
Nov 23 10:51:12 <BluesLee> but why removing back/fwd button on ilumme?
Nov 23 10:51:29 <Sup3rkiddo> yeah..please keep it..:(...
Nov 23 10:51:37 <BluesLee> can i add i manually -> shelf gadgets?
Nov 23 10:51:43 <Hire> Sup3rkiddo: i am working on a new battery 
Nov 23 10:51:47 <Hire> that it seems
Nov 23 10:51:55 <Hire> and before i get another time depressed
Nov 23 10:52:35 <Sup3rkiddo> Hire, theres also this empty space between the Battery and the clock when there is no wifi
Nov 23 10:52:49 <bumbl> quickdev: thumbs up for the digital clock
Nov 23 10:53:04 <BluesLee> the system is not very responsive, so i start all needed apps execept the messages app as it does not refresh and then everything is in memory to switch between them
Nov 23 10:53:19 <Hire> Sup3rkiddo: it is normal... raster does that into the edc file
Nov 23 10:54:04 <Sup3rkiddo> Hire, oh...but a no wifi icon would be better..wouldn it?
Nov 23 10:54:08 <quickdev> Sup3rkiddo, gointo the "top shelf gadgets" menu....and then change wifi settings...you'll see that its space disappears
Nov 23 10:54:19 <BluesLee> Sup3rkiddo: here you can see the modified kbd http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/55e3b20c3233b339953df7a36ba87537.png
Nov 23 10:54:22 <quickdev> should be hidden if there's no wifi
Nov 23 10:54:50 <Ainulindale> bumbl: no idea
Nov 23 10:54:53 <BluesLee> and gsm should be activiated as default
Nov 23 10:55:03 <Ainulindale> That's quickdev's fault BluesLee :-)
Nov 23 10:55:17 <Sup3rkiddo> BluesLee, cool..looks good...can i get a screenie of the terminal keyboard?
Nov 23 10:55:36 <BluesLee> Sup3rkiddo: didnt changed that
Nov 23 10:56:00 <BluesLee> Sup3rkiddo: and i will not
Nov 23 10:56:09 <Sup3rkiddo> BluesLee, oh...ok, you will be changing that..wont you
Nov 23 10:56:13 <Sup3rkiddo> ..:/
Nov 23 10:56:48 <BluesLee> Sup3rkiddo: numbers http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0e6d8dff7fbdfcf747ce56708362f6f0.png
Nov 23 10:56:51 <bumbl> BluesLee: could you possibly remove the space by making the key larger?
Nov 23 10:56:55 <bumbl> kesy
Nov 23 10:56:58 <bumbl> keys
Nov 23 10:57:36 <Sup3rkiddo> +1
Nov 23 10:57:50 <bumbl> Ainulindale: this will be included into openmoko testing soon (or it is already included)
Nov 23 10:57:58 <BluesLee> bumbl: no need for that as there is an animation behind that, if you press a key it gets larger
Nov 23 10:58:17 <Sup3rkiddo> neat!
Nov 23 10:58:35 <Sup3rkiddo> if i am right, .edc upon compilation gives .edje
Nov 23 10:58:38 <Sup3rkiddo> right?
Nov 23 10:58:55 <BluesLee> reflashing from an android trip:-)
Nov 23 10:59:16 <quickdev> Sup3rkiddo, edj, yes
Nov 23 10:59:20 <Ainulindale> bumbl: Then we'll check
Nov 23 10:59:29 <Sup3rkiddo> i wonder how hard it will be to create simple compass...
Nov 23 10:59:44 <Sup3rkiddo> that sways back and forth like a real thing...
Nov 23 10:59:58 <BluesLee> bumbl: but i will have a look into the kbd stuff again, played with icons too much
Nov 23 11:00:54 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: i may add a script to the resume rc for the brightness stuff
Nov 23 11:01:01 <DocScrutinizer2> Sup3rkiddo: need some generic data for compass -> hw-extension
Nov 23 11:01:40 <Sup3rkiddo> DocScrutinizer, can't we get it from GPS? i see tangoGPS telling me, where i am heading
Nov 23 11:02:29 <bumbl> Sup3rkiddo: you can
Nov 23 11:02:33 <bumbl> but you have to move
Nov 23 11:02:34 <BluesLee> what is the aim, to get more space on the top shelf?
Nov 23 11:02:45 <Sup3rkiddo> maybe even add a little bubble like thingy, giving the effect that the needle is in a liquid...
Nov 23 11:02:58 <Sup3rkiddo> alas, i suck at this kinda stuff
Nov 23 11:04:00 <BluesLee> here is a further idea: replace the back/fwd illume thingy by a clyclic back thingy or whatever
Nov 23 11:04:13 <BluesLee> in practice you use only one of them
Nov 23 11:04:25 <BluesLee> to switch between apps
Nov 23 11:04:26 <DocScrutinizer2> Sup3rkiddo: gps knows about vector of movement, not about heading of device
Nov 23 11:04:47 <bumbl> get the qwerty button back into the visible part
Nov 23 11:04:57 <bumbl> and make it small
Nov 23 11:05:11 <Sup3rkiddo> DocScrutinizer2, oh..ok....accels wouldnt help..would it?
Nov 23 11:05:25 <bumbl> e.g. replace the back arrow with a small image of a key 
Nov 23 11:05:29 <BluesLee> bumbl: good idea
Nov 23 11:05:44 <DocScrutinizer2> not at all, as they again are about vectors :-)
Nov 23 11:05:45 <BluesLee> bumbl: the qwerty one
Nov 23 11:06:00 <Sup3rkiddo> DocScrutinizer2, oh :(
Nov 23 11:06:07 <DocScrutinizer2> you need real compass chip
Nov 23 11:06:43 <Sup3rkiddo> i see
Nov 23 11:06:51 <bumbl> yep
Nov 23 11:06:53 <DocScrutinizer2> you're lucky: those are cheap and small, and easy to interface
Nov 23 11:07:12 <bumbl> raster is genius, but the idea to move the qwerty button into the invisible part sucks
Nov 23 11:07:17 * Sup3rkiddo keeps this in his long list of TODOs
Nov 23 11:09:22 <bumbl> Ainulindale: 
Nov 23 11:09:24 <bumbl> http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-16-%7E-11-22%29-td1564188ef1958.html;cid=1227438521306-469
Nov 23 11:10:04 <Ainulindale> Can't open it.
Nov 23 11:10:35 <bumbl> works here
Nov 23 11:10:50 <Hire> Ainulindale: http://n2.nabble.com/Optimization-team-update-%2811-16-%7E-11-22%29-td1564188.html
Nov 23 11:11:00 <BluesLee> remove remove everything after ;
Nov 23 11:11:08 <BluesLee> hire: hehe
Nov 23 11:11:17 <bumbl> ancements to the testing repo
Nov 23 11:11:22 <bumbl> but it just says that olv pushed his bot time enh
Nov 23 11:11:25 <bumbl> ancements to the testing repo
Nov 23 11:11:34 <bumbl> s/bot/boot/
Nov 23 11:11:58 <bumbl> Hire: strange, I copied the link out of the nabble permalink box
Nov 23 11:12:27 <Hire> nabble hates you
Nov 23 11:12:44 * bumbl goes into a corner ;(
Nov 23 11:14:07 <Ainulindale> Hmpf, something pushed cups into the image now
Nov 23 11:14:13 <quickdev> any compaints about this? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/9237fbf22324b7ff61e64973e8fe6c3f.png
Nov 23 11:14:24 <quickdev> see shelf gadgets
Nov 23 11:14:31 <Ainulindale> Nice quickdev 
Nov 23 11:14:39 <Hire> uhmm...
Nov 23 11:14:54 <Hire> i did that
Nov 23 11:14:55 <Hire> but
Nov 23 11:15:03 <Hire> the illume bar is a bit large :)
Nov 23 11:15:08 <BluesLee> quickdev: make the clock fat, what is the symbol in the mid?
Nov 23 11:15:15 <Hire> you have to change to height
Nov 23 11:15:18 <quickdev> BluesLee, power plugged in
Nov 23 11:15:31 <bumbl> quickdev: qwerty button missing ;)
Nov 23 11:15:38 <quickdev> Hire, I'll change the height a few pixel
Nov 23 11:15:44 <Ainulindale> I don't agree with bumbl for qwerty
Nov 23 11:15:54 <BluesLee> i agree
Nov 23 11:16:06 <Hire> i don't agree
Nov 23 11:16:07 <Ainulindale> With me disagreeing? :-)
Nov 23 11:16:25 <Ainulindale> Anyway, this button should be configurable by the user
Nov 23 11:16:27 <Hire> because it is funny, i think
Nov 23 11:16:29 <bumbl> Ainulindale: why not? it's so time consuming to open the shelf in order to get a keyboard
Nov 23 11:16:33 <Ainulindale> And it's better this way to me
Nov 23 11:16:39 <Ainulindale> bumbl: apps can trigger its display
Nov 23 11:16:44 <bumbl> Ainulindale: yes
Nov 23 11:16:49 <bumbl> but most apps don't
Nov 23 11:16:52 <Ainulindale> And this isn't a matter of where it should be by default
Nov 23 11:16:58 <bumbl> e.g. the browser
Nov 23 11:17:00 <BluesLee> one problem here: i received several sms, i cannot kill the sms notification of the 2nd one
Nov 23 11:17:12 <Ainulindale> But how many user this will keep boring to remove this button
Nov 23 11:17:16 <Ainulindale> For instance, me
Nov 23 11:17:43 <BluesLee> what about the aux button?
Nov 23 11:18:05 <bumbl> BluesLee: you mean as in hackable1
Nov 23 11:18:23 <BluesLee> i dont know hackable...
Nov 23 11:18:27 <BluesLee> not yet
Nov 23 11:18:44 <BluesLee> like in debian
Nov 23 11:18:46 <BluesLee> yeah
Nov 23 11:19:10 <Hire> quickdev: nice
Nov 23 11:19:27 <BluesLee> we have to use the aux for something
Nov 23 11:19:57 <BluesLee> can we remove the "illume" text?
Nov 23 11:20:24 <Ainulindale> Seriously guys
Nov 23 11:20:25 <Hire> yes :)
Nov 23 11:20:28 <Ainulindale> Stop wondering about such stupid stuff
Nov 23 11:20:35 <Ainulindale> We have really more important issues
Nov 23 11:20:40 <BluesLee> we know thats illume
Nov 23 11:21:14 <Hire> Ainulindale: you are right :)
Nov 23 11:21:37 <Ainulindale> I don't know, I just think removing "illume" or putting a keyboard button isn't the more important thing here
Nov 23 11:21:41 <BluesLee> i didnt startet that discussion;-)
Nov 23 11:21:47 <Ainulindale> As long as it works, now, I don't care
Nov 23 11:21:53 <Ainulindale> I care about missing or not working stuff
Nov 23 11:23:42 <Ainulindale> (though I'm not saying it's useless, please mind that)
Nov 23 11:23:51 <Ainulindale> (just not at all the priorities we should focus on)
Nov 23 11:23:58 <bumbl> sure
Nov 23 11:24:11 <BluesLee> okay
Nov 23 11:24:15 <Ainulindale> And anyway
Nov 23 11:24:23 <Ainulindale> When you guys will be outputing themes
Nov 23 11:24:33 <Ainulindale> I'll make sure you'll be able to reset this kind of thing
Nov 23 11:24:56 <Ainulindale> But for now, let me understand why there's uming in my litei mage
Nov 23 11:25:01 <Ainulindale> And libstdc_dev
Nov 23 11:25:12 <Ainulindale> (desperatly trying to open dot files here)
Nov 23 11:30:08 <quickdev> afk, will upload it later
Nov 23 11:30:53 <Hire> uh,
Nov 23 11:31:02 <Hire> -,+m
Nov 23 11:32:17 <bumbl> wtf
Nov 23 11:32:33 <bumbl> python segsegmentation fault 
Nov 23 11:32:53 <bumbl> while running elementary test01.py
Nov 23 11:38:23 <BluesLee> xserver refuses to start anymore after a reboot
Nov 23 11:39:46 <BluesLee> pow+aux should be the default reboot method?
Nov 23 11:43:28 <bumbl> isn't there a way to use the frameworkd rule engine for that stuff
Nov 23 11:43:43 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 23 11:43:57 <Ainulindale> Can't handle two separate input events right now IIRC
Nov 23 11:49:08 <dolf1074> what's the git location of shr?
Nov 23 11:50:31 <bumbl> http://shr.bearstech.com/repo/shr.git
Nov 23 11:50:59 <dolf1074> thanks
Nov 23 12:13:40 <Ainulindale> Damn, can't find a way to display this freaking dot file properly
Nov 23 12:20:15 <bumbl> dot = word document template?
Nov 23 12:21:18 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 23 12:21:24 <Ainulindale> graphviz thingy
Nov 23 12:21:32 <Hire> here it is: .
Nov 23 12:21:49 <Ainulindale> Hire: I have one thing to say
Nov 23 12:21:53 <Ainulindale> Now, I have to kill you
Nov 23 12:22:13 <Ainulindale> To prevent you from any kind of reproduction of a joke of this kind
Nov 23 12:22:23 <Hire> don't worry, I know you hate me :(
Nov 23 12:22:31 <Ainulindale> Meh :-)
Nov 23 12:23:27 <Ainulindale> Can't understand why uming is pushed in the dependencies.
Nov 23 12:25:39 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: hey, I modified the wiki a bit. I've inserted everything I've needed to ask you, before I could happily begin to making changes :)
Nov 23 12:25:52 <bumbl> isn't there something like equery d for bitbake?
Nov 23 12:28:48 <Wiedi> Ainulindale, you can generate a png out of the dot file with "dot -Tpng foo.dot bar.png"
Nov 23 12:30:04 <Wiedi> -o bar.png 
Nov 23 12:31:35 <bumbl> or install app-emacs/graphviz-dot-mode
Nov 23 12:31:51 <bumbl> which requires emacs of course
Nov 23 12:32:06 <Hire> or you can do echo "." > file
Nov 23 12:33:36 <Ainulindale> Wiedi: If only I could view it...
Nov 23 12:34:42 <Wiedi> the png? or the dot as text? there was some kde app that rendered it live...
Nov 23 12:34:54 <Ainulindale> KDE? You want me to kill myself?
Nov 23 12:35:03 <Ainulindale> Wiedi: problem is, file is big. Reaaaaally big
Nov 23 12:36:51 <Wiedi> so directly rendering sounds not like a good idea anyways
Nov 23 12:38:29 <Wiedi> tried -Tps?
Nov 23 12:39:47 <pb_> or svg?
Nov 23 12:40:16 <Ainulindale> svg is worst.
Nov 23 12:40:22 <Ainulindale> And anyway dot cuts the graph
Nov 23 12:40:49 <pb_> ah, that's no good.
Nov 23 12:41:26 <Ainulindale> Can't see why it loads arphic-uming.
Nov 23 12:41:30 <Ainulindale> Freaking chinese font.
Nov 23 13:31:24 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: Hello! I'm curently flashing the 20081121 SHR version. I will try to reproduce my issue. So I would need that someone sends me an SMS while I'm currently in call. Could you be that one ?
Nov 23 13:33:17 <quickdev> back
Nov 23 13:34:13 <ptitjes> BTW is the DEBUG config directive of frameworkd is set to true by default ? I have strange things happening at first boot after flashing but can't have debug logs until set to DEBUG=true.
Nov 23 13:38:00 <BluesLee> quickdev: can we reopen #79?
Nov 23 13:39:07 <quickdev> BluesLee, is it still there in the most recent version? Anyway...atm I'm revamping the window management. Will be fixed in the evening :)
Nov 23 13:41:10 <BluesLee> quickdev: the problem resists if you get more than one sms i guess, will test it again
Nov 23 13:41:26 <quickdev> BluesLee, yes, right
Nov 23 13:41:34 <ptitjes> quickdev: BTW for this new SMS window... is there someone working on a today-like app for SHR ?
Nov 23 13:41:45 <quickdev> BluesLee, do not test it, you are correct, it's fixed later :)
Nov 23 13:42:01 <quickdev> ptitjes, no, you should talk with raster about it
Nov 23 13:42:07 <quickdev> could be done with desktop gadgets
Nov 23 13:42:11 <BluesLee> quickdev: okay, can we add date & time to the sms notification window?
Nov 23 13:42:31 <quickdev> BluesLee, yes...please add a ticket for that :)
Nov 23 13:42:37 <BluesLee> quickdev: date and time of the sms:-)
Nov 23 13:42:42 <quickdev> yeah :)
Nov 23 13:43:52 <BluesLee> #141
Nov 23 13:46:01 <BluesLee> can we make the leds blink red if my girlfriend sents an sms?;-)
Nov 23 13:46:55 <quickdev> BluesLee, do it yourself ;)
Nov 23 13:47:01 <quickdev> there are more important things :)
Nov 23 13:47:15 <BluesLee> quickdev: the incoming second sms is shown first, the first one has no content and no number 
Nov 23 13:47:28 <quickdev> yes
Nov 23 13:47:31 <BluesLee> and it cant be killed via X
Nov 23 13:47:54 <quickdev> how I said, I'm working on it :)
Nov 23 13:47:59 <BluesLee> oki doki
Nov 23 13:48:10 <ptitjes> Ainunlindale: ?
Nov 23 13:48:21 <BluesLee> dont close those tickets before finishing;-)
Nov 23 13:48:26 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: yes?
Nov 23 13:48:56 <BluesLee> quickdev: is it worth to add a ticket for a default sms recipient?
Nov 23 13:49:02 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: I will try to reproduce my issue. Could you send me an SMS while I'm calling my answering machine ?
Nov 23 13:49:28 <quickdev> BluesLee, no, but we could list the recipients of the last 10 sms first
Nov 23 13:49:36 <Ainulindale> Right now, can't
Nov 23 13:49:40 <Ainulindale> phone is down, I'm working on it
Nov 23 13:49:46 <ptitjes> arf :(
Nov 23 13:50:00 <Ainulindale> I don't even know what you're trying to test
Nov 23 13:50:07 <BluesLee> quickdev: also good idea
Nov 23 13:50:12 <ptitjes> oki just tell me when you made it up and running
Nov 23 13:50:38 <BluesLee> quickdev: or only the last one by default 
Nov 23 13:50:45 <ptitjes> the issue we spoke about at phone last week - I just worked all these three last days and did not have time to test it again
Nov 23 13:50:53 <ptitjes> call not releasing
Nov 23 13:51:10 <quickdev> BluesLee, it's still a wish-to-have, not a must-have :)
Nov 23 13:51:16 <quickdev> and must-have's are more important :)
Nov 23 13:51:28 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: DOn't bother testing that then
Nov 23 13:51:35 <Ainulindale> quickdev is working on it
Nov 23 13:51:39 <ptitjes> fixed ? :)
Nov 23 13:51:43 <Ainulindale> Hopefully
Nov 23 13:51:57 <ptitjes> you guys are bug killers!!! :)
Nov 23 13:51:58 <BluesLee> quickdev: i see, but i also dont know where is the limit between wish and must have
Nov 23 13:52:08 <ptitjes> great job!
Nov 23 13:53:43 <Ainulindale> quickdev: #141
Nov 23 13:53:47 <ptitjes> could you recall me the SHR git push address ? (did not wrote it sorry...)
Nov 23 13:53:58 <Ainulindale> it's on gitweb
Nov 23 13:55:12 <Hire> git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr.git
Nov 23 13:55:20 <Ainulindale> (tired to repeat it =) )
Nov 23 13:56:03 <Ainulindale> I don't know why cups got pushed in my image
Nov 23 13:56:08 <Ainulindale> This is weird
Nov 23 13:56:48 <quickdev> Ainulindale, bitbake has an option to display the dependency graph
Nov 23 13:56:49 <quickdev> use it ;)
Nov 23 13:57:59 <Ainulindale> Oh? which one?
Nov 23 13:59:00 <ptitjes> Hire: thx - did not find it on the wiki... wrote it now
Nov 23 13:59:12 <ptitjes> but still cannot push... :(
Nov 23 13:59:22 <Ainulindale> What are you trying to push and where?
Nov 23 13:59:25 <ptitjes> Permission denied (publickey). - fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
Nov 23 13:59:43 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: the logrotate stuff
Nov 23 13:59:51 <Ainulindale> And where?
Nov 23 13:59:58 <Ainulindale> Copy the command
Nov 23 14:00:05 <ptitjes> there : git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr.git
Nov 23 14:00:10 <Ainulindale> Then you're wrong
Nov 23 14:00:25 <Ainulindale> logrotate stuff is what, a bb recipe or sources?
Nov 23 14:00:28 <ptitjes> (sorry for my dumbness but i'm a git newbie and its very sofisticated!)
Nov 23 14:00:52 <ptitjes> an added bb recipe and also config changes
Nov 23 14:01:02 <Ainulindale> Then it's on shr-overlay.git
Nov 23 14:01:06 <Ainulindale> pull before doing anything
Nov 23 14:01:36 <ptitjes> all I try to commit is in #104
Nov 23 14:02:11 <ptitjes> Ainunlindale: how should I construct the push repository URL then (sorry if I bother...)
Nov 23 14:02:23 <Ainulindale> git pull git@shr.bearstech.com:shr-overlay.git
Nov 23 14:02:26 <Ainulindale> verify all is up to date
Nov 23 14:02:27 <Ainulindale> then
Nov 23 14:02:31 <Ainulindale> git push the same
Nov 23 14:02:38 <ptitjes> thx
Nov 23 14:02:40 <Ainulindale> dolby
Nov 23 14:02:55 <ptitjes> still permission denied
Nov 23 14:03:05 <ptitjes> mdr
Nov 23 14:03:17 <ptitjes> s/mdr/lol
Nov 23 14:03:49 <Ainulindale> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAQEAqja6ykLafZ9c1leY+s5Vn/MeMrEWRbpEbmcedqOcsPC2Ru+3uGVQeZrfTJ3YKIXrZNqXOYGzTnuQWD2WQA2EcjTRtAggLdf7c35wFy75lpotT+jZ2idbxYRh4MF2YuPzc2bGRhSf6/43cr1tr2sBOH3k6eguF7g4FLaU9UQ/9E0vi/VzotOLIN+WjJAkdx+ZCUs3eTOEKnIOcMSmzD8AkTSZlj+7080vK3AyM/kZ0THVvmb1ghriuy+xQf+TkKAxxdQuhfeoIF0oOIBnpqM9WoaJF8T9gxcENlPBoMNO6nZP6UKDhMeBoQThJfcneFzk3mKOzYtlq8KNXrkFK1MlFQ== ptitjes@didier
Nov 23 14:03:56 <Ainulindale> Is this good?
Nov 23 14:04:03 <ptitjes> comparing...
Nov 23 14:05:00 <ptitjes> yeah! can't understand what the problem is :(
Nov 23 14:05:29 <Ainulindale> Are you using any form of agent for ssh?
Nov 23 14:05:42 <ptitjes> ssh-agent/ssh-add
Nov 23 14:05:52 <Ainulindale> Then it should work as supposed
Nov 23 14:06:01 <Ainulindale> Pastebin me what you're typing and the results please
Nov 23 14:06:02 <Ainulindale> or query
Nov 23 14:06:50 <Ainulindale> And retry now
Nov 23 14:08:09 <Ainulindale> err quickdev 
Nov 23 14:08:15 <Ainulindale> why did you increase the pr for ophonekitd?
Nov 23 14:11:02 <quickdev> Ainulindale, because there were problems with updating with opkg install. only git fast forwards lead to a new gitr ID ( for example 490 )
Nov 23 14:11:03 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: because of me
Nov 23 14:11:26 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: It seems to work now - I awas not opening a new terminal window with ssh-agent... brrrr sorry
Nov 23 14:11:30 <Ainulindale> quickdev: it systematically leads to a new gitr ID quickdev 
Nov 23 14:11:43 <Ainulindale> New revision = new ID
Nov 23 14:11:46 <quickdev> no, it does not
Nov 23 14:11:49 <Ainulindale> Yes it does :-)
Nov 23 14:12:03 <Ainulindale> Wanna bet?
Nov 23 14:12:11 <Ainulindale> If I win I'll spank you
Nov 23 14:12:17 <BluesLee> who wants the knife who the ax?;-)
Nov 23 14:12:41 <quickdev> Ainulindale
Nov 23 14:12:42 <quickdev> [git] Optionally use git-rev-list to get a sortable revision
Nov 23 14:12:42 <quickdev>     With setting BB_GIT_CLONE_FOR_SRCREV="1" you can get a sensible
Nov 23 14:12:42 <quickdev>     and global (per repository with only fast forwards) revision
Nov 23 14:12:43 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: what was your problem with PR anyway?
Nov 23 14:12:59 <Ainulindale> quickdev: We're talking about the buildhost there, aren't we?
Nov 23 14:13:23 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: my fault misunderstanding there
Nov 23 14:13:28 <quickdev> yes
Nov 23 14:13:36 <Ainulindale> quickdev: then revision of ophonekitd = new package
Nov 23 14:13:51 <Ainulindale> any commit on shr.git will imply a regeneration of ophonekitd
Nov 23 14:13:54 <quickdev> Ainulindale, only if it's a fast forward
Nov 23 14:14:17 <Ainulindale> What do you mean?
Nov 23 14:14:58 <Ainulindale> (damn cups, nothing depends on it)
Nov 23 14:15:02 <Ainulindale> (why is there then)
Nov 23 14:15:04 <Ainulindale> +it
Nov 23 14:15:27 <TommyB> also, i still had packages of ophonekitd etc installed that were built from svn, because i had flashed an image before the migration to git
Nov 23 14:15:52 <Ainulindale> Ah, to that, I agree, but not for git/git :-)
Nov 23 14:16:02 <Ainulindale> Though the good solution would have been to reflash anyway =)
Nov 23 14:16:19 <quickdev> Ainulindale, google for fast forward git ;)
Nov 23 14:16:34 <Ainulindale> No time to do that
Nov 23 14:16:50 <TommyB> yeah, but i don't want to reflash every day ;)
Nov 23 14:17:02 <Hire> uhm
Nov 23 14:17:05 <BluesLee> but we should google ... dictator!;-)
Nov 23 14:17:11 <Ainulindale> TommyB: We migrated more than a week ago, and there was deep changes in between
Nov 23 14:17:23 <Hire> i tested now poky linux on FR and ...
Nov 23 14:17:26 <Hire> ... mmm ....
Nov 23 14:17:28 <Ainulindale> So I'd say, reflash or expect weird behavior
Nov 23 14:17:46 <Hire> and it sux :/
Nov 23 14:18:08 <BluesLee> Hire: hehe, i tried it on my zaurus some time ago
Nov 23 14:18:25 <Hire> where is the dialer?
Nov 23 14:18:33 <Hire> no, it isn't exist
Nov 23 14:18:39 <BluesLee> Hire: dialer for what?
Nov 23 14:18:47 <ptitjes> does someone could guide me with the merging procedure in private ? I can't even understand the examples in the man pages...
Nov 23 14:19:04 <quickdev> ptitjes, what do you try to merge?
Nov 23 14:19:17 <BluesLee> Hire: it was not designed to have one, there you have pim, where is the pim in shr, fso ...?;-)
Nov 23 14:19:31 <ptitjes> shr-image.inc changed completely and I had a commit on this...
Nov 23 14:19:54 <Ainulindale> Don't commit your changes on that
Nov 23 14:19:57 <ptitjes> I don't understand how I should use the reset and rebase commands
Nov 23 14:20:02 <Ainulindale> Without having me review the changes, please
Nov 23 14:20:08 <TommyB> yeah i guess i'll reflash when i have time, because i actually see some weird behavior (e.g. "set new alarm" button doesn't do anything, as reported by someone on the mailing list)
Nov 23 14:20:17 <Ainulindale> I'm working on it as we speak, this is a wrong idea
Nov 23 14:20:18 <BluesLee> i will not reflash every day
Nov 23 14:20:32 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: We don't talk of reflashing every day here
Nov 23 14:20:40 <Ainulindale> We switched repos, then switched the way to generate the image
Nov 23 14:20:45 <Ainulindale> It's logical to reflash at that point
Nov 23 14:20:53 <BluesLee> i flashed at the 20th
Nov 23 14:20:54 <Ainulindale> That doesn't mean it'll be the same forever
Nov 23 14:20:57 <BluesLee> and upgraded
Nov 23 14:21:07 <Ainulindale> Then why did you need a PR bump?
Nov 23 14:21:09 <BluesLee> and we had problems with the ophonekitd package
Nov 23 14:21:17 <Ainulindale> Explain
Nov 23 14:21:17 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: see http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/attachment/ticket/104/0001-Moved-log-to-var-log-directory.patch and http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/attachment/ticket/104/0003-Added-cron-and-logrotate-packages-and-added-rotation.patch
Nov 23 14:21:26 <BluesLee> it didnt upgraded
Nov 23 14:21:36 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: Why?
Nov 23 14:21:44 <BluesLee> cleared cache etc some md5sum problems
Nov 23 14:21:52 <BluesLee> can look it up
Nov 23 14:21:54 <BluesLee> one moment
Nov 23 14:21:58 <Ainulindale> md5sum is normal
Nov 23 14:22:02 <Ainulindale> I work on the buildhost
Nov 23 14:22:13 <Ainulindale> And I don't regenerate the package-index each and every time
Nov 23 14:22:33 <BluesLee> i couldnt install the new working package with some feature in it
Nov 23 14:22:43 <Ainulindale> That's because a package-index is necessary
Nov 23 14:23:07 <BluesLee> when ido you generate it?
Nov 23 14:23:19 <BluesLee> once a day?
Nov 23 14:23:21 <Ainulindale> After any package building
Nov 23 14:23:27 <BluesLee> okay
Nov 23 14:23:32 <Ainulindale> I usually do it just after I did a build
Nov 23 14:23:35 <Ainulindale> I could forgot
Nov 23 14:23:39 <Ainulindale> s/got/get/
Nov 23 14:23:42 <Ainulindale> In this case, just ask me
Nov 23 14:23:46 <Ainulindale> But that has nothing to do with PR
Nov 23 14:23:54 <Ainulindale> I may be a pain in the ass with that but
Nov 23 14:24:02 <Ainulindale> Everything isn't solved by commits
Nov 23 14:24:08 <BluesLee> i didnt changed anything
Nov 23 14:24:12 <BluesLee> i cant:-)
Nov 23 14:24:21 <Ainulindale> I didn't say that
Nov 23 14:24:41 <BluesLee> upgrading should work now fine?
Nov 23 14:24:56 <BluesLee> no need to do reflashs
Nov 23 14:25:05 <Ainulindale> I'd say
Nov 23 14:25:07 <BluesLee> thats what i understood of the above
Nov 23 14:25:11 <Ainulindale> Let me end my work on the image
Nov 23 14:25:11 <ptitjes> quickdev: could you give me help on how could I reset my local clone copy of shr-image.inc and remove my corresponding commit without undoing my other commits ?
Nov 23 14:25:19 <Ainulindale> After that you'll be able to flash and don't bother about it
Nov 23 14:25:23 <Ainulindale> (anymore)
Nov 23 14:25:31 <quickdev> ptitjes, I'm quite busy atm, sorry
Nov 23 14:25:42 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: git help clean and git help reset
Nov 23 14:25:47 <ptitjes> no probs!
Nov 23 14:26:27 <BluesLee> so, its a good idea to upgrade after the images are available, late afternoon
Nov 23 14:26:46 <Ainulindale> It'll be as soon as I tell you it'll be :-)
Nov 23 14:26:54 <Ainulindale> Once more, I'm working on that as we speak
Nov 23 14:27:26 <Ainulindale> quickdev: this multilanguage thing is weiiird
Nov 23 14:27:37 <Ainulindale> Can't output an accent in 'new message'
Nov 23 14:27:43 <Ainulindale> With the good locales
Nov 23 14:27:57 <quickdev> in "messages" app?
Nov 23 14:28:01 <Ainulindale> yep
Nov 23 14:28:04 <quickdev> maybe I do not handle UTF8
Nov 23 14:28:08 <Ainulindale> Heh :-)
Nov 23 14:28:11 <quickdev> or the proper charsets
Nov 23 14:28:19 <Ainulindale> Well I'm trying to understand why it's like that
Nov 23 14:28:28 <Ainulindale> But if I switch to illume numbers keyboard
Nov 23 14:28:30 <Ainulindale> I can't output é
Nov 23 14:28:33 <Ainulindale> Oh and by the way
Nov 23 14:28:38 <Ainulindale> I removed the useless profiles from the image
Nov 23 14:29:15 <Ainulindale> mickeyl? alphaone?
Nov 23 14:30:37 * ptitjes is completely lost and will undo all his changes
Nov 23 14:30:53 <BluesLee> quickdev: it also does not work outside the sms messages
Nov 23 14:30:54 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: to reset to the actual state
Nov 23 14:30:57 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: git clean -f -d
Nov 23 14:31:01 <Ainulindale> git reset --hard
Nov 23 14:31:02 <Ainulindale> git pull
Nov 23 14:31:07 <Ainulindale> This will erase everything you changed
Nov 23 14:31:31 <ptitjes> beuh this is sad
Nov 23 14:31:33 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: No
Nov 23 14:31:37 <Ainulindale> This works on terminal here
Nov 23 14:31:41 <Ainulindale> With my local changes indeed :-)
Nov 23 14:31:53 <BluesLee> i understand
Nov 23 14:32:37 <Ainulindale> But this was a good thing to test indeed for quickdev 
Nov 23 14:32:45 <Ainulindale> quickdev: so here it is, entering é works on vala-terminal, not on mesages
Nov 23 14:32:48 <Ainulindale> +s
Nov 23 14:33:08 <quickdev> ok
Nov 23 14:33:12 <quickdev> Ainulindale, could you have a look at: http://rafb.net/p/4PR8Fi84.html
Nov 23 14:33:18 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: within midori?
Nov 23 14:33:31 <Ainulindale> Midori isn't a good example anyway
Nov 23 14:33:40 <Ainulindale> quickdev: yes?
Nov 23 14:33:54 <Ainulindale> Ah you went with your struct thing in the end =)
Nov 23 14:33:58 <Ainulindale> God you're stubborn!
Nov 23 14:34:03 <quickdev> Ainulindale, it's not ophonekitd!
Nov 23 14:34:13 <Ainulindale> My apologies then :-p
Nov 23 14:34:16 <quickdev> it's the UI side...I have to manage calls, too
Nov 23 14:34:20 <Ainulindale> Why?
Nov 23 14:34:32 <Ainulindale> You're going too far if you're doing this, IMHO
Nov 23 14:34:43 <quickdev> because I must have a relation between call ID and its window 
Nov 23 14:34:54 <quickdev> how to do it otherwise?
Nov 23 14:34:55 <Ainulindale> why?
Nov 23 14:35:17 <quickdev> Ainulindale, why? void phonegui_outgoing_call_hide(const int id); Which window do I have  to close?
Nov 23 14:35:18 <ptitjes> Ainunlidale: this does not work - Automatic merge failed - http://pastebin.com/m7dcf0e15
Nov 23 14:35:30 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I was afraid you'd do that :-)
Nov 23 14:35:36 <Ainulindale> quickdev: multicall, tsk tsk :-)
Nov 23 14:35:48 <quickdev> Ainulindale, mh? How to do it a different way?
Nov 23 14:35:55 <Ainulindale> quickdev: There's none
Nov 23 14:36:03 <quickdev> yeah, ok, that's what I wanted to hear :)
Nov 23 14:36:04 <Ainulindale> Just I was expecting you to do the multi call thing :-)
Nov 23 14:36:13 <Ainulindale> I hoped you forgot about that
Nov 23 14:36:15 <Ainulindale> But you didn't
Nov 23 14:36:23 <quickdev> I'm doing it the right way
Nov 23 14:36:37 <Ainulindale> Though your static is wrong
Nov 23 14:36:46 <Ainulindale> Remove that and put extern
Nov 23 14:36:59 <quickdev> why extern?
Nov 23 14:37:16 <Ainulindale> Because it'll impact your .so
Nov 23 14:37:19 <Ainulindale> And anyway
Nov 23 14:37:38 <Ainulindale> Why do you use a **calls?
Nov 23 14:37:48 <Ainulindale> (wait a minute, I'm on the phone)
Nov 23 14:37:58 <quickdev> because it's a pointer to an array of pointers to call structures?
Nov 23 14:38:14 <Ainulindale> It's wrong for this kind of thing
Nov 23 14:38:42 <quickdev> why? ;)
Nov 23 14:38:43 <Ainulindale> Sorry hard to answer while on the phone :-)
Nov 23 14:38:44 <Ainulindale> So
Nov 23 14:38:54 <Ainulindale> You'll have a limited number of calls/windows
Nov 23 14:38:57 <Ainulindale> Mainly < 2
Nov 23 14:39:01 <Ainulindale> You should use a linked list
Nov 23 14:39:23 <quickdev> where's the gain when using a linked list?
Nov 23 14:39:28 <Ainulindale> It's cleaner :-)
Nov 23 14:39:33 <Ainulindale> And anyway
Nov 23 14:39:44 <Ainulindale> Yiou don't know an array of pointers
Nov 23 14:39:50 <Ainulindale> You need an array of structures if you want an array
Nov 23 14:40:12 <Ainulindale> (IMHO)
Nov 23 14:40:25 <quickdev> "You don't know an array of pointers" What do you mean?
Nov 23 14:40:30 <Ainulindale> Sorry, need
Nov 23 14:40:32 <Ainulindale> Not know
Nov 23 14:40:42 <Ainulindale> (doing several millions of things at the same time)
Nov 23 14:40:56 <Ainulindale> quickdev: can't you just have a *calls
Nov 23 14:40:56 <Hire> take a rest
Nov 23 14:41:02 <Ainulindale> then call[x].id etc?
Nov 23 14:41:07 <Ainulindale> Or do you prefer to use ->id ? :-)
Nov 23 14:41:52 * Hire sees how Ainulindale is training your new pupil 
Nov 23 14:42:01 <Ainulindale> Neh :-)
Nov 23 14:42:17 <Ainulindale> quickdev: And why I would do a linked list instead of an array
Nov 23 14:42:25 <Ainulindale> That's mainly because you are mapping two information
Nov 23 14:42:34 <Ainulindale> In ophonekitd, there was only one info
Nov 23 14:42:37 <Ainulindale> an int
Nov 23 14:42:46 <Hire> his new pupil... whoops
Nov 23 14:42:52 <Ainulindale> You can, obviously, do an array
Nov 23 14:42:57 <Ainulindale> My personal and own choice would be to do a linked list
Nov 23 14:43:11 <quickdev> Ainulindale, a linked list has more overhead, not?
Nov 23 14:43:15 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 23 14:43:23 <Ainulindale> Or I don't tink so
Nov 23 14:43:26 <Ainulindale> But listen
Nov 23 14:43:28 <Ainulindale> Don't worry about that
Nov 23 14:43:30 <Ainulindale> Do an array
Nov 23 14:43:32 <Ainulindale> But do a proper array
Nov 23 14:43:35 <Ainulindale> Not an array of pointers :-)
Nov 23 14:43:58 <quickdev> yeah, ok
Nov 23 14:44:00 <Ainulindale> You won't have to null verify everything doing that :-)
Nov 23 14:44:25 <Ainulindale> quickdev: And that way, you just have to do calls = realloc(calls, sizeof(Call)*number_of_calls);
Nov 23 14:44:41 <Ainulindale> You won't have to check nullity for each struct
Nov 23 14:44:51 <lindi-> (and check that calls is not NULL after that..)
Nov 23 14:44:56 <Ainulindale> lindi-: indeed, indeed
Nov 23 14:45:05 <quickdev> Ainulindale, where did I check nullity?
Nov 23 14:45:06 <Ainulindale> But here we where talking of a **calls and not *calls :-)
Nov 23 14:45:09 <Ainulindale> quickdev: you didn't
Nov 23 14:45:12 <Ainulindale> that's my point :-)
Nov 23 14:45:17 <quickdev> yeah, right
Nov 23 14:45:23 <quickdev> assert(), hehe
Nov 23 14:45:28 <Ainulindale> Lazy bastard :-)
Nov 23 14:46:37 <Ainulindale> ptitjes?
Nov 23 14:46:41 <Ainulindale> I'm done, free to help you
Nov 23 14:47:43 <Ainulindale> Ok, last image sounds good.
Nov 23 14:47:50 <Ainulindale> Going to compile it on buildhost.
Nov 23 14:49:14 <BluesLee> okay, brightness script works 
Nov 23 14:49:27 <BluesLee> no
Nov 23 14:49:54 <BluesLee> i added a command to /etc/apm/resume.d
Nov 23 14:50:05 <BluesLee> but that was not sufficient
Nov 23 14:50:40 <BluesLee> the light dimming thing resets it to the old values
Nov 23 14:50:44 <BluesLee> searching
Nov 23 14:52:33 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: was it you talking about pythonm ?
Nov 23 14:52:42 <BluesLee> no
Nov 23 14:52:50 <Ainulindale> Who was that again...
Nov 23 14:53:03 <Ainulindale> ptitjes?
Nov 23 15:02:01 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: yeah
Nov 23 15:02:44 <ptitjes> I'm scratching my head to understand how I could reverting my changes (I think I delete all my tree and clone again...)
Nov 23 15:03:09 <ptitjes> git is overly sofisticated
Nov 23 15:03:21 <Ainulindale> Just delete it, clone it, and remodify the files
Nov 23 15:03:54 <quickdev> Ainulindale, http://rafb.net/p/9XYRjB61.html 
Nov 23 15:04:26 <Ainulindale> What are you using g_slice_alloc for?
Nov 23 15:04:43 <Ainulindale> And why the hell are you doing a memcpy?
Nov 23 15:04:50 <Ainulindale> You're dangerous quickdev :-)
Nov 23 15:05:06 <quickdev> g_slice_alloc could be removed, yes
Nov 23 15:05:21 <quickdev> why memcpy? Is it possible to assign a struct directly?
Nov 23 15:05:21 <Ainulindale> quickdev: do as follows
Nov 23 15:05:26 <Ainulindale> Of course
Nov 23 15:05:36 <Ainulindale> struct Call *calls is your array
Nov 23 15:05:50 <Ainulindale> you realloc it as you do
Nov 23 15:05:52 <Ainulindale> then
Nov 23 15:05:59 <Ainulindale> calls[x] is your struct
Nov 23 15:06:06 <quickdev> yeah, assign it directly
Nov 23 15:06:08 <Ainulindale> you just do calls[x].id etc
Nov 23 15:06:47 <Ainulindale> Heh, these youngsters
Nov 23 15:06:52 <Ainulindale> They fancy memcpy and slice_alloc
Nov 23 15:07:03 <Ainulindale> And they can't use malloc anymore !
Nov 23 15:07:05 <Ainulindale> Sheesh ! :-)
Nov 23 15:07:22 <lindi-> what's slice_alloc?
Nov 23 15:07:31 <Ainulindale> a glib thing
Nov 23 15:07:38 <Ainulindale> I don't even know what it does
Nov 23 15:09:31 <Ainulindale> Well
Nov 23 15:09:33 <Ainulindale> Good thing
Nov 23 15:09:45 <Ainulindale> My new image structure compiles the japanese and chinese fonts
Nov 23 15:09:52 <Ainulindale> Without installing them
Nov 23 15:09:55 <Ainulindale> Thanks to mickeyl mostly
Nov 23 15:12:06 <ptitjes> pfffffffffff - rm -rf shr/*
Nov 23 15:13:14 <ptitjes> hopefully my changes are on #104, because my brains' cache is really small
Nov 23 15:25:26 <Ainulindale> Meh :-)
Nov 23 15:34:16 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: the alternative patchset does not apply. should I apply raster's one ?
Nov 23 15:36:03 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: None of the patchsets apply correctly
Nov 23 15:36:16 <ptitjes> ?
Nov 23 15:36:32 <Ainulindale> What are you talking about?
Nov 23 15:36:46 <ptitjes> Building SHR wiki page 
Nov 23 15:37:08 <Ainulindale> What's the link with SHR git? =)
Nov 23 15:37:16 <ptitjes> I rm -rf all my stuff wo starting back again
Nov 23 15:37:20 <Ainulindale> Arf
Nov 23 15:37:33 <Ainulindale> You have to download the bz2 from the page
Nov 23 15:37:59 <Ainulindale> If some of them don't apply, that's not a problem
Nov 23 15:38:23 <Ainulindale> Except for elementary-alarm where it'll fail, I have a patch locally but I'll submit it to mickeyl as soon as he's back
Nov 23 15:38:39 <ptitjes> ok
Nov 23 15:40:06 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: Are u still ok to add cron and lograte to the image ?
Nov 23 15:40:22 <Ainulindale> Yep
Nov 23 15:40:39 <ptitjes> I would like to make the changes, commit and push them so that I have no conflit to resolve (don't understand git merge stuff...)
Nov 23 15:40:56 <Ainulindale> My point, ptitjes, was just to ask me for images modification
Nov 23 15:41:05 <Ainulindale> As I work on that 
Nov 23 15:41:08 <ptitjes> ha ok
Nov 23 15:41:19 <ptitjes> So could you review #104 ?
Nov 23 15:41:21 <ptitjes> please
Nov 23 15:41:25 <Ainulindale> Yes, did that
Nov 23 15:41:28 <ptitjes> all is there
Nov 23 15:41:29 <Ainulindale> Check with the recent changes
Nov 23 15:41:36 <Ainulindale> You should insert cron/logrotate in some task
Nov 23 15:41:38 <Ainulindale> maybe shr base
Nov 23 15:41:50 <ptitjes> ok
Nov 23 15:42:34 <Ainulindale> And if you do that
Nov 23 15:42:36 <Ainulindale> bump PR
Nov 23 15:43:28 <Ainulindale> polz: new GTA01 image, would like you to tell me if it fits
Nov 23 15:44:09 <Ainulindale> quickdev: Did you figure out the umlaut problem?
Nov 23 15:44:12 <Ainulindale> (no accents)
Nov 23 15:44:16 <polz> Ainulindale: alllrighty then :)
Nov 23 15:44:29 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: bump PR ??
Nov 23 15:44:52 <polz> Ainulindale: does it use the echo cancelation?
Nov 23 15:44:57 <quickdev> Ainulindale, no, not yet
Nov 23 15:46:21 <polz> hmm, 48M, that looks promising
Nov 23 15:51:50 <Ainulindale> polz: the package revision
Nov 23 15:51:55 <Ainulindale> polz: it always had
Nov 23 15:52:03 <Ainulindale> If it doesn't for you complain to the FSO team =)
Nov 23 15:55:17 <polz> Ainulindale: heh, I've had to patch some .py file to get the echo cancelation working properly on my phone
Nov 23 15:55:39 <polz> Ainulindale: btw, are you going to switch to mwester's 
Nov 23 15:55:54 <polz> kernels, or are you going to wait for his patches to make it upstream=
Nov 23 15:55:56 <polz> _
Nov 23 15:55:58 <polz> ARGH
Nov 23 15:56:04 <polz> ? <- there, finally
Nov 23 15:57:44 <Ainulindale> I'm willing to switch to his kernel as soon as he tells me how to use it
Nov 23 15:58:16 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: push done
Nov 23 15:59:00 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: http://www.calaquendi.org/gallery/v/Divers_001/
Nov 23 15:59:06 <Ainulindale> Was there yesterday :-)
Nov 23 15:59:45 <Ainulindale> Results of the day :
Nov 23 15:59:49 <Ainulindale> http://www.calaquendi.org/gallery/v/Divers_001/IMG_9189.JPG.html
Nov 23 16:01:03 <ptitjes> wow!
Nov 23 16:01:38 <ptitjes> so you are also a candy lover (not just beer lover!) :)
Nov 23 16:01:44 <Ainulindale> That wasn't for me 
Nov 23 16:01:46 <Ainulindale> But yes anyway :-)
Nov 23 16:02:09 <ptitjes> where is that shop ?
Nov 23 16:02:14 <Ainulindale> Belgium
Nov 23 16:02:29 <polz> BIOS beer? That's almost as good as linux washing powder
Nov 23 16:02:39 <ptitjes> lol
Nov 23 16:03:53 <ptitjes> don't have permissions to close #104
Nov 23 16:04:18 <ptitjes> looking for what I could work on now
Nov 23 16:06:32 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: quickdev: I browsed the tickets but there are too many. Any idea of a (simple) thing I could do ?
Nov 23 16:07:04 <ptitjes> Also should I create a wiki page to describe to procedure to remote debug the framework through Eclipse ?
Nov 23 16:07:23 <ptitjes> Or maybe I should put that on the openmoko wiki...
Nov 23 16:07:31 <lindi-> ptitjes: bugs.openmoko.org or trac.freesmartphone.org?
Nov 23 16:07:45 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: well, simple task, hmm
Nov 23 16:07:50 <Ainulindale> Try to add features
Nov 23 16:07:51 <Ainulindale> Or packages
Nov 23 16:08:01 <Ainulindale> There's a package needed for satan for instance
Nov 23 16:08:26 <Wiedi> ah packages, i wanted to ask if you could add "ipython" to the feeds :)
Nov 23 16:09:28 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: and satan is of interest for you anyway
Nov 23 16:09:47 <Ainulindale> (it's a music creation software)
Nov 23 16:10:07 <ptitjes> yeah was looking that
Nov 23 16:10:25 <ptitjes> yet I do not do composition anymore :)
Nov 23 16:13:10 <ptitjes> I think I will first try jaaa and japa which are more for my use
Nov 23 16:13:56 <Ainulindale> Ok :-)
Nov 23 16:14:04 <Ainulindale> See if they're not there first
Nov 23 16:14:12 <ptitjes> (dream to just have to plug my neo and a condenser mic on a mixing console and calibrate my sound system - I avoid bringing my computer everywhere :))
Nov 23 16:14:26 <ptitjes> I know jaaa is there - currently trying to compile it
Nov 23 16:14:31 <ptitjes> but not japa
Nov 23 16:15:51 <ptitjes> BTW isn't there a better solution than copying my builded ipks to my freerunner to opkg-install them ?
Nov 23 16:17:09 <polz> Ainulindale: if I were a woman, I'd like to have your baby :P
Nov 23 16:17:31 <polz> what I'm trying to say is that it boots :)
Nov 23 16:18:20 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf8798f80f6b4 10/framework/subsystems/onetworkd/ (dhcp.py network.py sharing.py): onetworkd: simple connection sharing seems to work now!
Nov 23 16:19:33 <polz> and it's just asked me for the PIN...
Nov 23 16:19:39 <polz> and the settings work
Nov 23 16:19:52 <Ainulindale> ah mickeyl 
Nov 23 16:20:00 <Ainulindale> Available for a minute?
Nov 23 16:21:03 <Ainulindale> polz: cool then :-)
Nov 23 16:21:51 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: there's a problem with fso-image tasks
Nov 23 16:27:19 <polz> wow, and there's 7M of free space left, even though I've added gllin
Nov 23 16:29:36 <Ainulindale> Ah, here's a thing I should add, gllin
Nov 23 16:30:22 <Ainulindale> polz: Is everything working as supposed to?
Nov 23 16:30:22 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: My next om-related dev. project may be a nm gui if you succeded in building it...
Nov 23 16:30:37 <Ainulindale> I succeeded in building nm
Nov 23 16:30:42 <Ainulindale> Leonti Bronski is also working on this
Nov 23 16:31:45 <ptitjes> is he on the channel ?
Nov 23 16:31:52 <Ainulindale> no, but on the ml
Nov 23 16:32:24 <ptitjes> thanks
Nov 23 16:33:58 <quickdev> hey MarcOChapeau 
Nov 23 16:34:50 <MarcOChapeau> quickdev: Hi
Nov 23 16:55:46 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r971b246ca2c4 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore
Nov 23 16:55:46 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rc4b861f15bcc 10/fsod/src/ (Makefile.am resource.vala): 
Nov 23 16:55:46 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: Add abstract Resource class.
Nov 23 16:55:46 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: FIXME: make the methods async
Nov 23 17:00:57 <polz> Ainulindale: wow, and the alarm works now!
Nov 23 17:03:16 <quickdev> polz, only a gui to set the time is missing now :)
Nov 23 17:03:34 <polz> quickdev: and the timezone
Nov 23 17:03:38 <quickdev> yeah
Nov 23 17:04:35 <polz> but that's really just fine, at least you don't need to set that really often
Nov 23 17:06:12 <quickdev> polz, how do you set the timezone?
Nov 23 17:09:59 <polz> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Timezone
Nov 23 17:10:02 <mwester> Greetings O Peoples!
Nov 23 17:10:28 <polz> greetings, oh saviour of batteries, creator of working kernels!
Nov 23 17:10:31 <Kensan> mwester: Hi
Nov 23 17:10:53 <mwester> Need to have RDEPENDS += "tzdata" in the image, for timezones to be useful.
Nov 23 17:12:04 <mwester> :( Kensan left.
Nov 23 17:12:14 <polz> mwester: on SHR, tzdata was installed by default
Nov 23 17:12:27 <mwester> Not on the lite images anyway
Nov 23 17:12:41 <mwester> But perhaps it should be skipped on the Lite images now that I consider it
Nov 23 17:12:43 <polz> huh? I'm using a lite image and it was there
Nov 23 17:13:04 <polz> only tzdata-* packages were missing
Nov 23 17:13:22 <quickdev> hey mwester 
Nov 23 17:14:41 <BluesLee> can i find somewhere a good (!) documentation of the fso stuff?
Nov 23 17:16:57 <ptitjes> polz: tzdata is not on the latest "complete" SHR image
Nov 23 17:18:05 <BluesLee> tried deforoa player (or something like that) ons shr with bad results, starts but does not play anything
Nov 23 17:18:08 <kd8ikt> BluesLee: git (source) or maybe the ify http://docs.freesmartphone.org/
Nov 23 17:18:40 <kd8ikt> (bdus api reference)
Nov 23 17:18:41 <quickdev> mwester, is there a topic you're currently working on? :)
Nov 23 17:18:52 <BluesLee> kd8ikt: i am there but it doesnt help me much
Nov 23 17:19:03 <kd8ikt> hence why i said "ify"
Nov 23 17:19:17 <kd8ikt> damn programers can only program not explian shit
Nov 23 17:19:33 <kd8ikt> i feel your pain
Nov 23 17:19:50 <kd8ikt> :D
Nov 23 17:19:50 <BluesLee> kd8ikt: and i am not sure if the documentation fits the real code
Nov 23 17:20:31 <BluesLee> kd8ikt: SetBrightness method does not seem to exist but there is SetDisplayBrightness
Nov 23 17:20:40 <kd8ikt> or dive into apps that others have made utilizing fso like zhone
Nov 23 17:21:09 <BluesLee> kd8ikt: i only wanted to set the backlight to a medium value persistent
Nov 23 17:22:06 <ptitjes> polz: quickdev: is this python gui could be a good candidate for SHR to set date/time and timezone ? http://free-opensource.qvantel.net/mediawiki//index.php/Time-tool
Nov 23 17:22:42 <kd8ikt> fso's upcomming milestones have some good goals
Nov 23 17:22:58 <kd8ikt> auto timezone junk for one ;)
Nov 23 17:22:59 <BluesLee> kd8ikt: a better documentation?
Nov 23 17:23:21 <kd8ikt> :D
Nov 23 17:24:19 <quickdev> ptitjes, maybe. Could you give it a try? :)
Nov 23 17:26:25 <kd8ikt> BluesLee: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=brightness
Nov 23 17:26:59 <ptitjes> quickdev: yeah
Nov 23 17:27:16 <ptitjes> kd8ikt: do you know what is the status of this auto timezone stuff ?
Nov 23 17:27:29 <kd8ikt> nope
Nov 23 17:27:30 <BluesLee> kd8ikt: brightness on incoming calls? i set the value to 50 and restarted frameworkd, looks good now
Nov 23 17:28:15 <kd8ikt> ptitjes: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/roadmap
Nov 23 17:29:15 <kd8ikt> milestone7 (world domination)
Nov 23 17:29:56 <BluesLee> sim authentication has gone
Nov 23 17:30:03 <BluesLee> hmm
Nov 23 17:30:21 <mwester> quickdev:  I have a list of about a dozen things to work on, but none that are at the top right now.  Is there a specific area that folks are interested in?  (The suspend/resume problems with the framework rest in mickeyl 's hands now, although I will be happy to help if I can)
Nov 23 17:34:10 <bumbl_> mwester: wsod (I am not affected though)
Nov 23 17:35:40 <BluesLee> i get no sim authentification anymore after a reboot?!
Nov 23 17:35:48 <BluesLee> help!:-)
Nov 23 17:37:08 <bumbl_> BluesLee: have you activated the gsm gadget?
Nov 23 17:37:21 <BluesLee> sure
Nov 23 17:37:24 <bumbl_> deactivate it and reboot - then it will work
Nov 23 17:38:20 <BluesLee> whats the problem there?
Nov 23 17:38:44 <bumbl_> i don't know
Nov 23 17:39:01 <BluesLee> and why i cant shutdown the device from an ssh terminal?
Nov 23 17:39:03 <bumbl_> but this causes it
Nov 23 17:39:52 <ptitjes> quickdev: cant' find any source for time-tool... maybe we could wait for FSO integrating automatic timezone select and time synchronization from GPS anyway...
Nov 23 17:40:16 <quickdev> ptitjes, yeah..but I thinkk there should be a manual way, too :)
Nov 23 17:40:29 <ptitjes> this is in the milestone5 plan
Nov 23 17:40:31 <BluesLee> bumbl_: no gsm gadget, battery gadget is also removed, no gadgets:-(
Nov 23 17:40:35 <quickdev> maybe we could integrate it into shr-settings
Nov 23 17:40:40 <kd8ikt> i set my timezone via my laptop   scp /etc/localtime root@192.168.0.202:/etc/localtime
Nov 23 17:41:13 <kd8ikt> because the /etc/localtime file is pretty standard
Nov 23 17:43:04 <bumbl_> doesn't the neo have /usr/share/zoneinfo/
Nov 23 17:43:19 <mwester> only if you install tzdata
Nov 23 17:43:44 <BluesLee> bumbl_: no sim auth anymore ...
Nov 23 17:45:31 <bumbl_> hmm strange
Nov 23 17:46:15 <bumbl_> mwester: what's the point against installing it?
Nov 23 17:46:24 <mwester> dunno.  space?
Nov 23 17:46:49 <bumbl_> mwester: space is not a problem on the freerunner
Nov 23 17:46:56 <mwester> prejedice?
Nov 23 17:47:08 <bumbl> mwester: :p
Nov 23 17:47:17 <von_fritz> BluesLee you can try to power off and take batterie out for a little time, then retry
Nov 23 17:47:37 <Hire> Ainulindale: can you bump navit to rev1747? them resolved an issue with the internal gui
Nov 23 17:47:42 <BluesLee> von_fritz: ?? i can try ..
Nov 23 17:49:14 <Hire> Ainulindale: now 1748 :D
Nov 23 17:52:35 <BluesLee> von_fritz: it does not work
Nov 23 17:54:20 <BluesLee> i had similar problems with fso some months ago
Nov 23 17:54:57 <BluesLee> is it a known issue?
Nov 23 17:56:45 <quickdev> mwester, one annoying issue would be the restart. Do you know why it's not working as expected?
Nov 23 17:59:11 <von_fritz> BluesLee to me happened once, and I resolved by removing the battery
Nov 23 17:59:12 <mwester> Can you provide some details?  Mine restarts ok, AFAIK
Nov 23 18:00:04 <BluesLee> von_fritz: i am reflashing a backup
Nov 23 18:00:10 <quickdev> mwester, on SHR?
Nov 23 18:00:23 <mwester> Rebooting works fine with SHR.
Nov 23 18:03:37 <ptitjes_neo> pidgin is nice on the fr
Nov 23 18:04:10 <quickdev> ptitjes, yeah..although the textbox could use more space
Nov 23 18:05:12 <ptitjes_neo> but is there a way to send without the enter key
Nov 23 18:05:45 <ptitjes> I mean with the Default keyboard I don't know how to send my message...
Nov 23 18:06:11 <quickdev> ptitjes, there is..ehm
Nov 23 18:06:16 <ptitjes> quickdev: yeah and the font size be smaller...
Nov 23 18:06:20 <quickdev> yes
Nov 23 18:06:33 <quickdev> ptitjes, try to move your finger down the screen while pressing it
Nov 23 18:06:39 <quickdev> on the keyboard..
Nov 23 18:07:07 <ptitjes_neo> test 
Nov 23 18:07:54 <ptitjes_neo> oh you are right 
Nov 23 18:08:25 <ptitjes_neo> that is so cool 
Nov 23 18:08:47 <ptitjes_neo> adopted 
Nov 23 18:09:19 <ptitjes> really cool!!
Nov 23 18:09:25 <quickdev> yeah :)
Nov 23 18:10:26 <ptitjes> I was so stressed by having the gsm working that I never tested all the apps :)
Nov 23 18:10:59 <ptitjes> quickdev: would you consider moving to pythm as a media player ?
Nov 23 18:11:14 <quickdev> is it working? is there a screenshot? :)
Nov 23 18:11:54 <Hire> Ainulindale: ping
Nov 23 18:12:03 <ptitjes> yes it's working nice (I tested on FDOM though)
Nov 23 18:12:12 <Hire> quickdev
Nov 23 18:12:22 <quickdev> Hire, ?
Nov 23 18:12:25 <Hire> we have a little problem with navit
Nov 23 18:12:35 <BluesLee> quickdev: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/thumb/1/1e/Pythm.png/450px-Pythm.png
Nov 23 18:12:41 <BluesLee> looks very simple
Nov 23 18:12:56 <quickdev> Hire, what's the problem?
Nov 23 18:12:56 <Hire> you have to enable the configure flag --enable-svg2png-scaling="8 16 32 48 70 96"  on navit
Nov 23 18:13:16 <quickdev> Hire, because? :)
Nov 23 18:13:19 <Hire> and if you want you can bump navit to the lastest rev 1748
Nov 23 18:13:29 <quickdev> BluesLee, looks fine
Nov 23 18:13:36 <quickdev> could you test it on shr? 
Nov 23 18:13:57 <BluesLee> quickdev: my shr is broken
Nov 23 18:14:00 <BluesLee> see above
Nov 23 18:14:05 <ptitjes> quickdev: all screenshots: http://projects.openmoko.org/docman/index.php?group_id=198&selected_doc_group_id=199&language_id=1
Nov 23 18:14:07 <BluesLee> no sim auth anymore
Nov 23 18:14:15 <Hire> quickdev: because without that flag navit doesn't support the svg2png and it doens't shown the icons on the internal gui
Nov 23 18:14:22 <ptitjes> quickdev: BluesLee: I'll test it
Nov 23 18:14:23 <Hire> and the lastest rev solved an issue 
Nov 23 18:14:28 <BluesLee> quickdev: but there is a mixer
Nov 23 18:14:42 <quickdev> BluesLee, no sim auth anymore? mh?
Nov 23 18:14:44 <BluesLee> quickdev: and thats fine
Nov 23 18:14:51 <quickdev> ok
Nov 23 18:15:04 <ptitjes> and it finger friendly
Nov 23 18:15:11 <Hire> so without that flag the internal gui isn't usable 
Nov 23 18:15:13 <ptitjes> s/it/it's/
Nov 23 18:15:17 <BluesLee> quickdev: starling doesnt provide one and the illume mixer does not work
Nov 23 18:15:46 <ptitjes> and starling crashes after 20 seconds of listening (the last time I run it)
Nov 23 18:15:47 <quickdev> Hire, is the internal gui on the neo usable at all?
Nov 23 18:15:51 <Hire> yes
Nov 23 18:15:53 <BluesLee> ptitjes: i also think that it is a better than starling
Nov 23 18:15:54 <Hire> I used it before
Nov 23 18:15:58 <quickdev> ptitjes, yeah..starling crashed for me, too
Nov 23 18:16:14 <Hire> but without that flag is impossible to navigate into the menu 
Nov 23 18:16:58 <BluesLee> i hope that there is no general hidden sim auth problem with fso
Nov 23 18:18:42 <quickdev> BluesLee, have you had problems with shr?
Nov 23 18:18:45 <ptitjes> arf opkg remove starling says task-shr-minimal-gtk package depends it
Nov 23 18:19:16 <ptitjes> is that normal ?? shouldn't the packaging of the image be visible on the device ?
Nov 23 18:19:25 <ptitjes> s/visible/invisible/
Nov 23 18:20:12 <BluesLee> quickdev: yes
Nov 23 18:20:29 <quickdev> ptitjes, -force-depends
Nov 23 18:20:31 <quickdev> that's no problem
Nov 23 18:20:35 <quickdev> BluesLee, which problems?
Nov 23 18:21:19 <BluesLee> quickdev: i restarted the xserver after a brightness modification and the sim auth screen didnt appeared
Nov 23 18:21:40 <quickdev> BluesLee, maybe you broke frameworkd?
Nov 23 18:21:44 <BluesLee> reboot didnt helped
Nov 23 18:21:51 <ptitjes> quickdev: yeah but I should not see the details of the packaging. the thing of oe tasks is not to create virtual packages, isn't it ?
Nov 23 18:22:17 <BluesLee> quickdev: i only changed one value to a valid one
Nov 23 18:23:22 <ptitjes> does anyone knows how I can make the font smaller under icons in the illume laucher ?
Nov 23 18:23:40 <quickdev> ptitjes, per theme
Nov 23 18:24:01 <BluesLee> quickdev: a brightness value should change anything there
Nov 23 18:24:05 <quickdev> ptitjes, and yes...you shouldn't see those package declarations, Ainulindale is the one to blame ;)
Nov 23 18:24:17 <quickdev> but I think he's working on it
Nov 23 18:24:24 <ptitjes> :)
Nov 23 18:24:47 <BluesLee> quickdev: should i retry it and report?
Nov 23 18:25:06 <quickdev> BluesLee, try to set the default value and test if it works aagain..
Nov 23 18:25:37 <BluesLee> its /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml
Nov 23 18:25:52 <BluesLee>     # Idleness Brightness Handling
Nov 23 18:25:58 <BluesLee>     filters: HasAttr(status, "busy")
Nov 23 18:25:58 <BluesLee>     actions: SetDisplayBrightness("pcf50633_bl", 90)
Nov 23 18:26:05 <BluesLee> will set it to 50
Nov 23 18:26:38 <BluesLee> how do i restart everything
Nov 23 18:27:07 <ptitjes> BluesLee: You made an illume theme am I wrong ?
Nov 23 18:27:20 <BluesLee> ptitjes: no
Nov 23 18:27:35 <BluesLee> ptitjes: only manual mods
Nov 23 18:28:01 <TobiX> Arrg. Now I see a problem with my patch... But that is a problem with all SID playback...
Nov 23 18:28:05 <ptitjes> with edjecc ?
Nov 23 18:28:09 <TobiX> SID files don't end...
Nov 23 18:28:19 <BluesLee> ptitjes: no, via copy
Nov 23 18:28:29 <quickdev> TobiX, mickey fixed that by adding a value, which indicates how long it should play
Nov 23 18:28:31 <quickdev> afaik
Nov 23 18:29:02 <BluesLee> ptitjes: can you do that?
Nov 23 18:29:38 <TobiX> quickdev: Oh, nice.
Nov 23 18:29:47 <kd8ikt> BluesLee: would that fall into the category of /etc/init.d/frameworkd?
Nov 23 18:30:15 <kd8ikt> (fso)
Nov 23 18:30:49 <BluesLee> kd8ikt: there is the frameworkd.conf file which uses "rules" for events ... 
Nov 23 18:30:54 <BluesLee> afaik
Nov 23 18:31:08 <kd8ikt> that yaml
Nov 23 18:31:12 <BluesLee> yes
Nov 23 18:31:18 <BluesLee> yaml sounds crazy
Nov 23 18:31:30 <BluesLee> why ya?
Nov 23 18:31:43 <kd8ikt> heh
Nov 23 18:31:59 <BluesLee> for what stands y.a.
Nov 23 18:32:11 <TobiX> yet another
Nov 23 18:32:21 <TobiX> but it rymes with Camel ;)
Nov 23 18:32:27 <BluesLee> quickdev: nice shot!!!
Nov 23 18:32:34 <kd8ikt> YAML Ain't Markup Language
Nov 23 18:32:41 <BluesLee> quickdev: he doesnt like the value of 50:-)
Nov 23 18:32:51 <BluesLee> quickdev: oh no
Nov 23 18:33:02 <BluesLee> quickdev: sim auth entered
Nov 23 18:33:29 <BluesLee> right place to change brightness
Nov 23 18:33:36 <BluesLee> seems to work 
Nov 23 18:33:57 <BluesLee> but the sim thingy has to be investigated next time
Nov 23 18:36:05 <BluesLee> ptitjes: where do i find python-mokoui2
Nov 23 18:38:10 <BluesLee> quickdev: missing deps for pythonm, it starts, but the icons are very small
Nov 23 18:38:15 <Ainulindale> quickdev: the buildhost is borking on configure (specifically for openmoko-contacts3
Nov 23 18:38:22 <Ainulindale> Could you have a look? I'm tired
Nov 23 18:45:57 <ptitjes> BluesLee: ptitjes: can you do that?
Nov 23 18:46:00 <BluesLee> quickdev: if is sent an sms why i see a "loading", it should be something like "sending" or? 
Nov 23 18:46:11 <ptitjes> BluesLee: do what ?
Nov 23 18:46:14 <quickdev> BluesLee, there's already a ticket for that
Nov 23 18:47:03 <ptitjes> BluesLee: also what is python-mokoui2 ?
Nov 23 18:48:00 <ptitjes> ha ok is it a dep for pythm ?
Nov 23 18:48:22 <Hire> ok
Nov 23 18:48:26 <Hire> i don't get why
Nov 23 18:48:35 <Hire> but i can't disable the idle dim
Nov 23 18:48:45 <Hire> i have put into the usual .conf
Nov 23 18:48:51 <Hire> idle_dim=0
Nov 23 18:48:59 <Hire> but it doesn't work anymore
Nov 23 18:49:16 <BluesLee> ptitjes: the edje stuff
Nov 23 18:49:45 <BluesLee> ptitjes: pythonm seems to depend on python-mokoui2 
Nov 23 18:51:24 <mrmoku> Hire: do you also have lock = 0 and idle_prelock = 0?
Nov 23 18:51:51 <Hire> yeah
Nov 23 18:52:13 <Hire> suspend=0
Nov 23 18:52:14 <Hire> lock=0
Nov 23 18:52:14 <Hire> idle_prelock=0
Nov 23 18:52:14 <Hire> idle_dim=0
Nov 23 18:52:34 <mrmoku> hmm, maybe it's illume that's dimming
Nov 23 18:52:47 <Hire> i wish isn't him
Nov 23 18:52:49 <BluesLee> Hire: you should have a look into the rules.yaml
Nov 23 18:52:59 <Hire> il will do that
Nov 23 18:53:02 <Hire> now I am testing navit
Nov 23 18:53:11 <BluesLee> there are three more lines
Nov 23 18:53:38 <BluesLee> i guess it overwrites the ones from the conf
Nov 23 18:59:28 <MarcOChapeau> quickdev: still here ?
Nov 23 18:59:57 <MarcOChapeau> quickdev: I'm looking into the boot script thing... do we really need 6 runlevels ?
Nov 23 19:00:49 <quickdev> MarcOChapeau, I'm here, yes
Nov 23 19:00:50 <Ainulindale> MarcOChapeau: Need isn't a problem
Nov 23 19:01:00 <Ainulindale> I won't adapt 6900 packages just because we don't need them
Nov 23 19:01:09 <MarcOChapeau> hmmm, right
Nov 23 19:01:46 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: although, There ain't 6900 that would need init scripts
Nov 23 19:01:59 <Ainulindale> Yeah but if there's 100 of them that's enough =)
Nov 23 19:02:00 <MarcOChapeau> we need to stop thinking our FR is a PC
Nov 23 19:02:15 <BluesLee> ye
Nov 23 19:02:34 <BluesLee> too much packages out there all that locales;-)
Nov 23 19:04:17 <ptitjes> BluesLee: I'm looking at the edje illume theme but I can't find the part that defines the icon and text :(
Nov 23 19:04:47 <BluesLee> maybe its in the icon theme?
Nov 23 19:05:14 <ptitjes> do you have a .edj filesystem path
Nov 23 19:05:16 <ptitjes> ?
Nov 23 19:05:35 <BluesLee> i dont know anything about this edje stuff
Nov 23 19:05:45 <BluesLee> how can i look into that containers?
Nov 23 19:07:09 <BluesLee> do i need to install e on my desktop for testing purposes?
Nov 23 19:07:18 <MarcOChapeau> wow.... /etc/init.d/finish is a nice example of something very foolish...
Nov 23 19:08:46 <ptitjes> BluesLee: edje_decc is installed by default on SHR
Nov 23 19:09:02 <ptitjes> edje_decc toto.edj
Nov 23 19:09:05 <ptitjes> modify
Nov 23 19:09:19 <BluesLee> ohh
Nov 23 19:09:31 <ptitjes> edje_cc -id toto/ -fd toto/ toto.edc
Nov 23 19:09:35 <BluesLee> where are the edje file slocated?
Nov 23 19:09:41 <ptitjes> to recompile the edj file
Nov 23 19:10:15 <BluesLee> the icon themes
Nov 23 19:10:16 <ptitjes> BluesLee: that is the question!! I only located /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj
Nov 23 19:10:36 <BluesLee> starting mc
Nov 23 19:11:23 <BluesLee> ptitjes: i copied them to /usr/share/icons/shr...
Nov 23 19:12:01 <Hire> BluesLee: how can edit the rules.yaml?
Nov 23 19:12:13 <Hire> i want to disable that damend lock e dimming
Nov 23 19:12:17 <BluesLee> take vi:-)
Nov 23 19:12:21 <Hire> and?
Nov 23 19:13:07 <BluesLee> i changed for instance 
Nov 23 19:13:08 <BluesLee> filters: HasAttr(status, "busy")
Nov 23 19:13:08 <BluesLee>     actions: SetDisplayBrightness("pcf50633_bl", 70)
Nov 23 19:13:22 <ptitjes> BluesLee: but the font size for the text under the icon should be in illume.edj -- but I don't know what is the directive
Nov 23 19:13:25 <BluesLee> before it was value 90 and it worked for me
Nov 23 19:13:57 <BluesLee> Hire: what is your goal?
Nov 23 19:14:07 <Hire> i want to disable the dimming
Nov 23 19:14:13 <Hire> i want always the screen up
Nov 23 19:15:25 <BluesLee> but you want to suspend/resume
Nov 23 19:15:29 <BluesLee> no dimming
Nov 23 19:16:13 <Hire> yeah
Nov 23 19:17:03 <BluesLee> you may try to comment out those lines in rules.yaml, i dont know ...
Nov 23 19:17:47 <BluesLee> ptitjes: hire should know this
Nov 23 19:18:20 <Ainulindale> quickdev: It was ccache
Nov 23 19:18:26 <Ainulindale> I deleted the whole cache
Nov 23 19:18:50 <quickdev> Ainulindale, what was ccache?
Nov 23 19:18:56 <mwester-laptop> Ainulindale: As a matter of practice, I issue the following fix to ccache on all my servers:
Nov 23 19:19:09 <mwester-laptop> sudo mv /usr/bin/ccache /usr/bin/ccache-
Nov 23 19:19:21 <mwester-laptop> That seems to fix ccache-related problems ;)
Nov 23 19:19:27 <ptitjes> Hire: any idea of the illume theme directive to change the font size of the labels under the icons in the illume launcher ?
Nov 23 19:19:45 <Ainulindale> Meh :-)
Nov 23 19:20:18 <mrmoku> Hire: you can check the timeouts with cli-framework: devidle.GetTimeouts()
Nov 23 19:20:57 <Hire> now I have to test navit
Nov 23 19:21:13 <Ainulindale> Hire: I'll build a patch for that one day
Nov 23 19:21:30 <Hire> Ainulindale
Nov 23 19:21:37 <BluesLee> one day
Nov 23 19:22:35 <Hire> Ainulindale: we have a little problem with navit... can you bump navit to the lastest rev ( 1746 ) and you can configure it with --enable-svg2png-scaling="8 16 32 48 70 96" ?
Nov 23 19:22:50 <Hire> so it will fix the internal gui 
Nov 23 19:22:53 <Ainulindale> Later
Nov 23 19:22:57 <Hire> ok :)
Nov 23 19:23:04 <Hire> do it when you want
Nov 23 19:25:08 <Ainulindale> Later tonight
Nov 23 19:25:11 <Ainulindale> I'm a bit busy right now
Nov 23 19:25:12 <ArteK> nie tworzy
Nov 23 19:26:02 <BluesLee> ptitjes: any progress
Nov 23 19:27:46 <BluesLee> i think 60kb is to much for an icon
Nov 23 19:27:54 <BluesLee> i should replace some of them
Nov 23 19:45:35 <ptitjes> BluesLee: could you go svg ?
Nov 23 19:46:44 <BluesLee> for that icons? no ... they are not my icons, gnome black white theme (gpl)
Nov 23 19:50:06 <BluesLee> ptitjes: is there a good svg viewer, konqueror does not like that format at all
Nov 23 19:53:56 <Ainulindale> mwester-laptop: Would be interested in any comment on the latest image
Nov 23 20:00:42 <ptitjes> BluesLee: any image viewer for linux does view svg... I use gqview or f-spot. Also the integrated image viewer of gnome does display svg
Nov 23 20:01:22 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: still not here?
Nov 23 20:02:15 <ptitjes> Hire: do you know where in the illume.edc I could change the fontsize for the launcher's icons ?
Nov 23 20:03:14 <Hire> sorry :)
Nov 23 20:03:18 <Hire> i don't know :)
Nov 23 20:03:19 <Ainulindale> Could someone test latest SHR?
Nov 23 20:03:22 <Ainulindale> (Not the lite)
Nov 23 20:03:30 <Hire> how much lastest? :)
Nov 23 20:03:32 <Ainulindale> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20081123-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary
Nov 23 20:03:39 <Hire> date?
Nov 23 20:03:46 <Ainulindale> 23/11
Nov 23 20:03:52 <Ainulindale> Just hit
Nov 23 20:03:54 <Hire> oh
Nov 23 20:04:00 <Hire> uhm
Nov 23 20:08:36 <Hire> ok
Nov 23 20:08:38 <Hire> ainu
Nov 23 20:08:42 <Hire> I will flash it now
Nov 23 20:09:34 <Ainulindale> Ok thanks
Nov 23 20:10:25 <ptitjes> slurp
Nov 23 20:16:20 <Hire> i am flashing it
Nov 23 20:25:17 <Ainulindale> hey alphaone 
Nov 23 20:25:44 <alphaone> hey Ainulindale 
Nov 23 20:25:51 <Hire> hey nobody
Nov 23 20:26:20 <Ainulindale> alphaone: Couldn't get hold of mickeyl, today. There's a problem with the new fso-image
Nov 23 20:26:26 <alphaone> oh
Nov 23 20:26:28 <Ainulindale> The tasks have to be machine dependent
Nov 23 20:26:30 <Ainulindale> And they aren't
Nov 23 20:26:37 <Ainulindale> x11 & cli-tools specifically
Nov 23 20:27:38 <alphaone> oh
Nov 23 20:27:59 <Ainulindale> alphaone: Santa Claus? Is it you?
Nov 23 20:28:30 <alphaone> Ainulindale: That's ho, not oh or is it different in france?
Nov 23 20:28:31 <ptitjes1> wow crashed my desktop...
Nov 23 20:28:52 <Ainulindale> In france it's oh or ho, no matter what, as we don't pronounce the h
Nov 23 20:29:04 <alphaone> lol
Nov 23 20:29:24 <dcordes> alphaone: why does ML point to shr-devel?
Nov 23 20:29:48 <alphaone> dcordes: No idea, someone set that topic
Nov 23 20:29:58 <alphaone> I just removed the DNS part
Nov 23 20:30:13 <Ainulindale> We set that a while ago when we all migrated here
Nov 23 20:30:30 <dcordes> it seems misleading to me. should not SHR ML: describe this url?
Nov 23 20:30:45 <Ainulindale> It'd be redundant
Nov 23 20:30:48 <ptitjes1> BTW shouldn't there be a #shr-devel ?
Nov 23 20:30:52 <Hire> Ainulindale: now it is booting
Nov 23 20:30:57 <Ainulindale> ptitjes1: useless
Nov 23 20:31:02 <Ainulindale> (for now)
Nov 23 20:31:39 <ptitjes1> but why am I ptitjes1
Nov 23 20:31:41 <ptitjes1> ?
Nov 23 20:31:46 <Ainulindale> Hire: I don't know how I did it, but the images got reduced
Nov 23 20:31:49 <Ainulindale> That's a good thing
Nov 23 20:31:54 <dcordes> maybe put reference to both, the normal and the projects ML in the topic?
Nov 23 20:31:57 <Hire> a magical image? :)
Nov 23 20:32:16 <Ainulindale> I'd really like to get rid of cpp though
Nov 23 20:33:26 <Hire> ehi it is booting fast!
Nov 23 20:34:08 <ptitjes> ha this is better
Nov 23 20:34:18 <ptitjes> redownloading the image
Nov 23 20:34:20 <Hire> ehm
Nov 23 20:34:23 <Hire> Ainulindale
Nov 23 20:34:31 <Hire> i can't select the language on illume :)
Nov 23 20:34:36 <ptitjes> what is to be tested BTW ?
Nov 23 20:34:54 <Hire> ok
Nov 23 20:35:06 <Hire> it seems to work
Nov 23 20:35:10 <ptitjes> Hire: like every time he wants to generate the image faster (no local generation...)
Nov 23 20:35:22 <Ainulindale> Hire: what do you mean?
Nov 23 20:35:33 <Ainulindale> No language or you can't?
Nov 23 20:35:39 <Hire> no language :)
Nov 23 20:35:42 <Hire> the list is empty
Nov 23 20:35:46 <Ainulindale> Did you have one or several profiles too?
Nov 23 20:35:50 <Ainulindale> (illume, scalable, etc)
Nov 23 20:36:00 <Hire> yes, i have several profiles
Nov 23 20:36:07 <Hire> but however I can do next
Nov 23 20:36:16 <Hire> and I get the default language ( EN )
Nov 23 20:36:21 <Ainulindale> Several profiles ? That's not normal.
Nov 23 20:36:29 <Ainulindale> You should only have illume.
Nov 23 20:36:33 <Hire> illume, scalable and minimal
Nov 23 20:36:39 <Hire> no, it isn't so :)
Nov 23 20:36:45 <Ainulindale> Is the UI slow?
Nov 23 20:36:58 <Hire> no it is as always
Nov 23 20:37:03 <Hire> the same
Nov 23 20:37:34 <Ainulindale> Hmmm this is weird, this locale thing
Nov 23 20:37:40 <Ainulindale> It should generate all the locales
Nov 23 20:37:50 <Hire> no, I get an empty list
Nov 23 20:38:16 <Hire> contacts, messages and dialer works 
Nov 23 20:38:16 <Ainulindale> On lite, I had a list.
Nov 23 20:39:02 <Ainulindale> That's weird
Nov 23 20:43:28 <quickdev> Ainulindale, won't be ready with the new apps today. There's still very much to do. I have to make all views more generic to be used in several contexts. "New Message" for example in Mesages, and on Incoming Message Arrival.
Nov 23 20:46:07 <Ainulindale> quickdev: ok, no problem
Nov 23 20:47:39 <Ainulindale> This locale issue bugs me
Nov 23 20:47:47 <Ainulindale> It compiled well on my computer
Nov 23 20:51:29 <Ainulindale> quickdev: could you quickly switch the illume config back with the gsm thing though?
Nov 23 20:57:14 <Ainulindale> mwester-laptop: did you had time to give latest image a try?
Nov 23 20:58:01 <mwester-laptop> er, no -- watching a football game (Chicago beat St. Louis).
Nov 23 20:58:10 <Ainulindale> Football or soccer? :-)
Nov 23 20:58:19 <mwester-laptop> :D  American football.
Nov 23 20:58:52 <mwester-laptop> We don't have enough hooligans to play soccer. ;)
Nov 23 21:00:24 <von_fritz> htop not working on latest image
Nov 23 21:01:43 <Ainulindale> Fixed right now.
Nov 23 21:01:53 <Ainulindale> Will generate a new image later..
Nov 23 21:02:10 <Ainulindale> In between
Nov 23 21:02:14 <Ainulindale> echo "Exec=vala-terminal htop" >> /usr/share/applications/htop.desktop
Nov 23 21:02:21 <quickdev> there are so many handy advertisements in german television channels, it's unbelievable..
Nov 23 21:03:00 <Ainulindale> quickdev: what about illume config ?
Nov 23 21:03:10 <quickdev> yeah, one moment
Nov 23 21:05:09 <dcordes> quickdev: 'get these five modern cell phones for free. if you call now you will also get this high quality notebook ... and a ps3'
Nov 23 21:07:33 <Hire> ok ...
Nov 23 21:07:35 <Hire> now
Nov 23 21:07:45 <Hire> i get one beer
Nov 23 21:07:53 <Hire> and i don't share it 
Nov 23 21:08:11 <Ainulindale> Same here
Nov 23 21:08:20 <Hire> well
Nov 23 21:08:30 <Hire> now I will test navit another time 
Nov 23 21:10:26 <quickdev> Ainulindale, damn..I don't know anymore where that config file was generated. I need that location in order to know the command of the Makefile.am.
Nov 23 21:11:02 <Ainulindale> I don't know what you're talking about
Nov 23 21:11:58 <von_fritz> numpty not working
Nov 23 21:12:20 <Hire> von_fritz: ok but numpty isn't a high priority
Nov 23 21:13:02 <von_fritz> well on my flash (latest) it was working ;)
Nov 23 21:13:45 <Ainulindale> It's working, there's only one problem, a dependency isn't pushed
Nov 23 21:13:49 <Ainulindale> opkg install libpng3
Nov 23 21:14:44 <Ainulindale> I know why for the missing locales.
Nov 23 21:14:45 <Ainulindale> Damn OE.
Nov 23 21:15:25 <Hire> :)
Nov 23 21:15:36 <Hire> do you hate so much OE? 
Nov 23 21:18:09 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I need the original illume/e.cfg which we overwrite when creating an image
Nov 23 21:18:18 <Ainulindale> No idea where this is
Nov 23 21:21:17 <Hire> WHY IT IS DIMMING?!?!?
Nov 23 21:21:20 <Hire> damned
Nov 23 21:24:41 <von_fritz> sound (alert) only on first SMS on second no sound :(
Nov 23 21:26:15 <Ainulindale> von_fritz: that's frameworkd
Nov 23 21:26:21 <Ainulindale> Known bug of gst mod sid
Nov 23 21:26:28 <von_fritz> :) i now
Nov 23 21:26:36 <Ainulindale> Change for a mp3, ogg, whatever
Nov 23 21:26:38 <Ainulindale> It'll work
Nov 23 21:29:32 <ptitjes> BTW did you change the ringtone ?
Nov 23 21:31:25 <Ainulindale> No, nobody gave me a good ringtone
Nov 23 21:31:59 <vininim> where does opkg download ipkgs?
Nov 23 21:32:49 <pjz> from whereever you point its list of sources in /etc
Nov 23 21:33:59 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: this comes from freesound
Nov 23 21:34:16 <vininim> pjz: I mean, where does it cache them
Nov 23 21:34:29 <quickdev> Ainulindale, done. Added theme for GSM / Battery, too. Please test it
Nov 23 21:37:58 <Hire> uh?
Nov 23 21:38:15 <ptitjes> Is there a way to disable generation of -dbg, -dev and -doc with oe ?
Nov 23 21:39:06 <Ainulindale> quickdev: will do
Nov 23 21:39:20 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: send it back
Nov 23 21:39:22 <Ainulindale> I wasn't there
Nov 23 21:40:10 <Hire> uhuuh
Nov 23 21:40:19 <Hire> i saw a bad things
Nov 23 21:40:39 <Ainulindale> ptitjes ?
Nov 23 21:43:06 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1f2c56f2b930 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Nov 23 21:43:06 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Added reinit method to abstract modem class,
Nov 23 21:43:06 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: * added hook for handling a HUP in the low level channel class,
Nov 23 21:43:06 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: * added reinitializing the TI Calypso modem class whenever
Nov 23 21:43:07 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: a HUP on any MUXer channel has been detected (which means
Nov 23 21:43:09 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: that the gsm0710muxd has probably been killed).
Nov 23 21:43:11 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: NOTE: We now survive a killall gsm0710muxd transparently!
Nov 23 21:45:05 <Ainulindale> hey mickeyl 
Nov 23 21:45:09 <Ainulindale> Got my message?
Nov 23 21:47:15 <mickeyl> yes
Nov 23 21:47:17 <mickeyl> and you are correct
Nov 23 21:47:20 <mickeyl> although
Nov 23 21:47:28 <mickeyl> I'd rather ship the tools unconditionally
Nov 23 21:47:39 <Ainulindale> As you wish
Nov 23 21:47:41 <mickeyl> arch-dependent task packages are not well received
Nov 23 21:47:44 <Ainulindale> Though now your biggest problem is $XSERVER
Nov 23 21:48:03 <Ainulindale> And by the way
Nov 23 21:48:14 <mickeyl> indeed
Nov 23 21:48:15 <Ainulindale> I asked something on OE ten minutes ago
Nov 23 21:48:16 <Ainulindale> I have no clue
Nov 23 21:48:22 <Ainulindale> Today I tried to regenerate an image
Nov 23 21:48:30 <Ainulindale> Worked perfectly at home
Nov 23 21:48:36 <Ainulindale> Didn't work on the buildhost
Nov 23 21:48:41 <Ainulindale> There was no locales
Nov 23 21:48:51 <Ainulindale> Because they were in a task with a missing package
Nov 23 21:49:00 <Ainulindale> I can't understand why this doesn't trigger an error
Nov 23 21:49:35 <mickeyl> I'm not very fluent wrt. locales
Nov 23 21:49:42 <Ainulindale> This isn't relative to locales
Nov 23 21:49:52 <mickeyl> perhaps it was just an RRECOMMENDS?
Nov 23 21:49:52 <Ainulindale> Try to set "pimpmypants" as a  package in a task
Nov 23 21:49:56 <Ainulindale> It won't complain
Nov 23 21:50:05 <Ainulindale> It just won't output the task, as a whole, in your image
Nov 23 21:50:06 <ptitjes> Anyone knows the wolfson alsa device names ?
Nov 23 21:50:22 <Ainulindale> Can't understand why
Nov 23 21:50:29 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: sounds like a task for a small test case and a bug against bitbake
Nov 23 21:50:55 <Ainulindale> yes, sounds like it
Nov 23 21:51:01 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: though I was wondering
Nov 23 21:51:12 <Ainulindale> Why are the arch dependent task not well received?
Nov 23 21:51:21 <Ainulindale> You have to do such a thing for stuff like X
Nov 23 21:51:41 <Ainulindale> If you don't, there no use to even define a XSERVER
Nov 23 21:52:23 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: Boh I might send it by mail if you prefer...
Nov 23 21:52:34 <ptitjes> Anyone knows the wolfson alsa device names ?
Nov 23 21:52:51 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: I use irssi
Nov 23 21:52:55 <Ainulindale> Please tell me when you dcc me
Nov 23 21:53:02 <Ainulindale> I'm not looking at the status window 
Nov 23 21:55:28 <ptitjes> oki
Nov 23 21:55:40 <ptitjes> now :)
Nov 23 21:55:59 <Ainulindale> errr ptitjes 
Nov 23 21:56:03 <Ainulindale> I already accepted it in between
Nov 23 21:56:35 <ptitjes> and did it work ?
Nov 23 21:56:50 <ptitjes> this should be 3.13Mo
Nov 23 21:57:17 <ptitjes> it is a wav
Nov 23 21:57:20 <Ainulindale> Well
Nov 23 21:57:21 <Ainulindale> Yes
Nov 23 21:57:23 <Ainulindale> But it is, well
Nov 23 21:57:25 <Ainulindale> A ringtone
Nov 23 21:57:29 <Ainulindale> And I don't like it =)
Nov 23 21:57:30 <ptitjes> thought it could be converted to ogg easily
Nov 23 21:57:33 <ptitjes> arf
Nov 23 21:57:45 <ptitjes> this is the simplest ringtone you could imagine
Nov 23 21:57:49 <Ainulindale> Yes
Nov 23 21:57:53 <Ainulindale> But it is too simple
Nov 23 21:57:56 <Ainulindale> Kind of cheesy
Nov 23 21:58:10 <ptitjes> Yeah I like it like that (no pun)
Nov 23 21:58:32 <Ainulindale> Meh :-)
Nov 23 21:59:21 <ptitjes> What kind of ringtones do you like then ?
Nov 23 21:59:28 <Ainulindale> No idea
Nov 23 21:59:35 <Ainulindale> For me, I'll put some zappa
Nov 23 21:59:40 <Ainulindale> But I won't share this with others =)
Nov 23 21:59:45 <ptitjes> (and that some other people might like too... :) )
Nov 23 22:00:07 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: By the way, did you check for Magma ?
Nov 23 22:00:23 <Ainulindale> Concert is in february
Nov 23 22:00:27 <ptitjes> no did not found time to... :(
Nov 23 22:00:31 <Ainulindale> 12nd/13rd/14th
Nov 23 22:00:41 <ptitjes> I'll go to see Avishai Cohen in March !!!! :) :) :)
Nov 23 22:01:02 <ptitjes> could you send me some ?
Nov 23 22:01:05 <ptitjes> (scp?)
Nov 23 22:01:21 <Ainulindale> Try deezer
Nov 23 22:01:53 <ptitjes> does deezer works on linux ? never tried...
Nov 23 22:02:06 <Ainulindale> why wouldn't it?
Nov 23 22:02:17 <ptitjes> anyway I'm about to watch a movie so...
Nov 23 22:02:19 <Ainulindale> http://www.deezer.com/#music/result/all/magma
Nov 23 22:02:22 <ptitjes> why ? - no idea
Nov 23 22:02:31 <ptitjes> bookmarking
Nov 23 22:03:13 <Ainulindale> Mekanik Kommandoh from Mekanik Desktruktiw Kommandoh
Nov 23 22:03:19 <Ainulindale> This is a good sample
Nov 23 22:04:36 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: do you know where I could find information about fr's alsa device ? (name, available sample rate, ...)
Nov 23 22:04:48 <Ainulindale> On the wiki
Nov 23 22:04:52 <Ainulindale> If not, I don't know
Nov 23 22:04:54 <ptitjes> did not find enough info on the wiki...
Nov 23 22:04:59 <Ainulindale> Ask DocScrutinizer2 :-)
Nov 23 22:05:10 <ptitjes> DocScrutinizer2: ?
Nov 23 22:05:24 <DocScrutinizer2> huuh
Nov 23 22:05:38 <ptitjes> hi
Nov 23 22:06:20 <ptitjes> I'm trying to make jaaa running... was wondering whether you know the exact capture alsa device name and the possible sample rates ?
Nov 23 22:06:23 <DocScrutinizer2> see spec for wm8753, all in there for hw of alsamixer device
Nov 23 22:07:17 <DocScrutinizer2> nope, dunno exact name or rates, ask aplay/arecord -l/-L
Nov 23 22:07:20 <quatrox> is there any way to zoom out everything in SHR/Illume? E.g. pidgin and the web browser has very big fonts even when I zoom out max. 
Nov 23 22:08:25 <DocScrutinizer2> rate isn't any issue at all in alsa, just use plughw: device
Nov 23 22:08:44 <DocScrutinizer2> will do resample automagically
Nov 23 22:09:50 <DocScrutinizer2> ahh, sorry for capture it's a little more tricky, but still same principle I'd guess
Nov 23 22:10:06 <ptitjes> grr jaaa seg faults
Nov 23 22:10:54 <ptitjes> Alsa_driver: error on playback pollfd
Nov 23 22:11:03 <ptitjes> I've got no idea what this can mean... :(
Nov 23 22:13:37 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: what version of nm did you build ?
Nov 23 22:14:52 <ptitjes> ok I got my answer 0.6.5
Nov 23 22:15:26 <Ainulindale> Damn, glibc won't compile now
Nov 23 22:15:34 <Ainulindale> I'm so bored will all of this stupid problems
Nov 23 22:15:37 <Ainulindale> s/this/these/
Nov 23 22:16:06 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: i'm making task-x11 machine specific
Nov 23 22:16:09 <mickeyl> pushing later
Nov 23 22:17:09 <Ainulindale> I did this locally
Nov 23 22:18:23 <mickeyl> btw., you didn't send me your ssh key for git yet
Nov 23 22:18:26 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: did you have time to look at the cpp dependency?
Nov 23 22:18:29 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: You already have it
Nov 23 22:18:32 <mickeyl> no, sorry
Nov 23 22:18:32 <Ainulindale> for FSO
Nov 23 22:18:36 <mickeyl> ah, same one
Nov 23 22:18:38 <Ainulindale> Yep
Nov 23 22:18:40 <mickeyl> ok, will dig it out
Nov 23 22:18:51 <mickeyl> i have fixed some gstreamer oddities
Nov 23 22:18:55 <Ainulindale> Don't be sorry :-)
Nov 23 22:19:00 <Ainulindale> Oddities?
Nov 23 22:19:08 <mickeyl> things i did not take into account
Nov 23 22:19:14 <mickeyl> like... sid not knowing when a song ends :D
Nov 23 22:19:18 <Ainulindale> oh and by the way mickeyl I had some weird issues yesterday
Nov 23 22:19:20 <mickeyl> so we needed an API enhancement
Nov 23 22:19:21 <Ainulindale> AH, that, yes
Nov 23 22:19:27 <Ainulindale> By weird I mean
Nov 23 22:19:32 <Ainulindale> No event at all on frameworkd
Nov 23 22:19:39 <Ainulindale> And a good 100% CPU usage
Nov 23 22:19:41 <Ainulindale> (with a sim)
Nov 23 22:19:58 <mickeyl> ah, i also fixed a dumb thing wrt. cpu usage
Nov 23 22:20:07 <mickeyl> when you release the GSM resource
Nov 23 22:20:11 <Ainulindale> And I wasn't able to request GPS resource either, don't know if there was a problem
Nov 23 22:20:11 <mickeyl> it was going 100%
Nov 23 22:20:14 <Ainulindale> Yeah saw the commit
Nov 23 22:20:16 <mickeyl> perhaps this was your problem as well
Nov 23 22:20:23 <Ainulindale> Will try anyway
Nov 23 22:20:29 <mickeyl> i want some review
Nov 23 22:20:29 <Ainulindale> The GPS thing was more of a problem
Nov 23 22:20:32 <mickeyl> before i push that back into ms4
Nov 23 22:20:36 <mickeyl> (branch)
Nov 23 22:20:38 <Ainulindale> It was requesting, then releasing
Nov 23 22:20:40 <mickeyl> err
Nov 23 22:20:43 <mickeyl> (review) the audio thing
Nov 23 22:20:46 <Ainulindale> in a second or so
Nov 23 22:20:51 <mickeyl> interesting
Nov 23 22:20:51 <Ainulindale> What did you do, out of curiosity?
Nov 23 22:21:01 <mickeyl> the CPU thing?
Nov 23 22:21:03 <mickeyl> i was dumb
Nov 23 22:21:09 <Ainulindale> CPU and GStreamer
Nov 23 22:21:10 <mickeyl> i forgot to release a HUP watch :D
Nov 23 22:21:14 <Ainulindale> Ah, yes
Nov 23 22:21:16 <Ainulindale> Could be harmful
Nov 23 22:21:20 <mickeyl> indeed
Nov 23 22:21:24 <mickeyl> goes nicely up and eats all your CPU
Nov 23 22:21:33 <dcordes> mickeyl: sorry for the confusion. I was referring to these logs at the bottom http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003345.html
Nov 23 22:21:57 <Hire> argh
Nov 23 22:21:58 <mickeyl> (gstreamer) I added song length override and looping
Nov 23 22:22:00 <Hire> this makes me mad
Nov 23 22:22:13 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: I'll have a look at that then
Nov 23 22:22:23 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: for GPS, did you try it recently?
Nov 23 22:22:24 <mickeyl> dcordes: ooh, these i have overlooked
Nov 23 22:22:34 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: no, in my office i have no gsp
Nov 23 22:22:36 <mickeyl> gps
Nov 23 22:22:41 <mickeyl> dcordes: thanks, will comment
Nov 23 22:22:48 <Ainulindale> Well I'll give it a try tomorrow and tell you
Nov 23 22:22:52 <mickeyl> oki
Nov 23 22:22:54 <Ainulindale> And by the way, I used your class for latest SHR image
Nov 23 22:22:57 <Ainulindale> +es
Nov 23 22:23:02 <Ainulindale> fso-compliance and such
Nov 23 22:23:06 <mickeyl> ah, great.
Nov 23 22:23:08 <Ainulindale> s/classes/tasks/ in fact
Nov 23 22:23:16 <Ainulindale> Thought this would be easier on us
Nov 23 22:23:16 <mickeyl> in OE we need to use more tasks 
Nov 23 22:23:22 <dcordes> mickeyl: ok thanks. it was not so transparent because I prepended the other mail
Nov 23 22:23:24 <Ainulindale> Yes, indeed
Nov 23 22:23:33 <mickeyl> people always create new distros
Nov 23 22:23:34 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: I'm wondering about this missing issue if it's not a DEPENDS/RDEPENDS issue
Nov 23 22:23:36 <mickeyl> when all they want is a special image
Nov 23 22:23:37 <Hire> why if I put into frameworkd.conf idle_prelock=0, lock=0 and idle_dim= 0 the dimming isn't disable?!
Nov 23 22:23:45 <mickeyl> Hire: suspend = 0 ?
Nov 23 22:23:47 <Ainulindale> Didn't quite see how I could fix that looking at task.bbclass
Nov 23 22:23:50 <Hire> yeah, i add it
Nov 23 22:24:00 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: tasks are visible to opkg as packages
Nov 23 22:24:05 <Ainulindale> I know
Nov 23 22:24:06 <mickeyl> Hire: hmm, in X or console?
Nov 23 22:24:09 <Ainulindale> And I don't care
Nov 23 22:24:11 <Hire> console
Nov 23 22:24:17 <mickeyl> aah
Nov 23 22:24:21 <mickeyl> that's the VT blanking
Nov 23 22:24:26 <mickeyl> no idea how to disable that :)
Nov 23 22:24:29 <mickeyl> (offhand)
Nov 23 22:24:29 <Hire> ...
Nov 23 22:24:32 <Ainulindale> I have no way to fix that whatsoever ptitjes 
Nov 23 22:24:37 <ptitjes> when I tried to opkg remove vagalume it told me task-... depends on it
Nov 23 22:24:42 <Ainulindale> I know
Nov 23 22:24:43 <dcordes> mickeyl: I'm curious about stefan_schmidt's view on the multiplexing situation
Nov 23 22:24:44 <ptitjes> ok
Nov 23 22:24:45 <mickeyl> perhaps with the console tools
Nov 23 22:24:46 <Hire> so i can't disable it ...
Nov 23 22:24:54 <mickeyl> dcordes: stefan_schmidt shares my view
Nov 23 22:24:58 <mickeyl> we pay him to do
Nov 23 22:24:58 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: (see ptitjes' last comment about tasks/removal?)
Nov 23 22:24:59 <mickeyl> hahaha
Nov 23 22:25:00 <mickeyl> no seriously
Nov 23 22:25:06 <mickeyl> the situation is easy
Nov 23 22:25:18 <mickeyl> _if_ your device has CMUX
Nov 23 22:25:19 <mickeyl> then we use it
Nov 23 22:25:23 <mickeyl> if not, then we are out of luck
Nov 23 22:25:26 <mickeyl> and take whatever we get
Nov 23 22:25:27 <mickeyl> end of story
Nov 23 22:25:30 <dcordes> we are out of luck
Nov 23 22:25:50 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: yes, some tasks should use RRECOMMENDS instead of RDEPENDS
Nov 23 22:25:55 <mickeyl> the question still is
Nov 23 22:25:59 <mickeyl> if we get three channels...
Nov 23 22:26:06 <mickeyl> could we perhaps get 4 or 5? :D
Nov 23 22:26:14 <mickeyl> without rewriting anything
Nov 23 22:26:15 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: Huh?
Nov 23 22:26:32 <Ainulindale> Seems to be a bit illogic to me
Nov 23 22:26:36 <mickeyl> why?
Nov 23 22:26:42 <Ainulindale> tasks are not even supposed to be registered as true packages
Nov 23 22:26:51 <Ainulindale> They're convenience tools
Nov 23 22:26:52 <DocScrutinizer2> hmm, seem to remember just 3 there
Nov 23 22:26:52 <dcordes> mickeyl: I was assuming the multiplexing does not require specific precautions in the modem software i.e. that CMUX stuff
Nov 23 22:27:12 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: so maybe tasks-... should be named virtual-... if they are virtual packages...
Nov 23 22:27:17 <mickeyl> dcordes: ah, no, it requires special support
Nov 23 22:28:02 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: tasks RDEPEND on individual packages, so these packages can not be removed. If you want a task package only to be a convenience tool, then use RRECOMMENDS
Nov 23 22:28:07 <dcordes> mickeyl: I guess if mutliple channels were required by QCT and their customers, they would have added mutiple serial channels in the AMSS.
Nov 23 22:28:21 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: hmmmmpf =)
Nov 23 22:28:58 <mickeyl> dcordes: is it granted that Android is only using ser0 ?
Nov 23 22:29:04 <mickeyl> [and whatever for gprs
Nov 23 22:29:05 <mickeyl> ]
Nov 23 22:29:12 <Ainulindale> hey raster 
Nov 23 22:29:25 <Ainulindale> What are you doing on IRC? You should fix segv :-)
Nov 23 22:29:27 <quickdev> good morning raster 
Nov 23 22:29:30 <dcordes> mickeyl: obviously it works well with the one channel in wince and android (tm). g1 has a differnt AMSS (=> different modem interface) than kaiser and the like, but for the AT it must be the same (one channel situtation). so I don't see why we would run into performance problems going with the one channel in fso
Nov 23 22:29:49 <mickeyl> so be it
Nov 23 22:30:07 <DocScrutinizer2> raster: heh! moving?
Nov 23 22:30:08 * raster ywans
Nov 23 22:30:13 <mickeyl> doing things in parallel is overrated anyways :D
Nov 23 22:30:15 <raster> moooonig
Nov 23 22:30:18 <dcordes> mickeyl: I tried to pick up command sets from the android source but figured out that library is binary only for the g1, provided by HTC.
Nov 23 22:30:42 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: I'd like your opinion on locales someday
Nov 23 22:30:50 <dcordes> mickeyl: they have that code in their git but for a ti modem. (earlier hardware revision)
Nov 23 22:31:00 <Ainulindale> i.e. how to properly set IMAGE_LINGUA for optimal use/image size
Nov 23 22:31:03 <Ainulindale> +S
Nov 23 22:31:39 * mwester wonders if he should point out that to a great degree the difficulties of dealing with all the traffic *without* a mux depends on the extensions and the consistency of the individual GSM's implementation of the AT commadn set and responses.
Nov 23 22:32:17 <dcordes> mickeyl: but for the cdma devices, that code is available. so we can harvest the commands required for msm75* from it.
Nov 23 22:32:26 <mickeyl> good
Nov 23 22:32:40 <Hire> less wonders more works :)
Nov 23 22:32:59 <dcordes> btw, how does the gta03 modem work? is the interface a single serial device? does it have cmux?
Nov 23 22:33:12 <mickeyl> dcordes: +CMUX, of course
Nov 23 22:33:15 <mickeyl> :D
Nov 23 22:33:21 <dcordes> ok
Nov 23 22:33:38 <DocScrutinizer2> we have w serial, but will use only one, with muxer
Nov 23 22:33:49 <DocScrutinizer2> s/w/2/
Nov 23 22:33:56 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: i don't have any strong opinion on that. I guess usually for a release we should ship 3 or 4 locales and the rest only in the feed
Nov 23 22:34:20 <mickeyl> _if_ the modem is settled
Nov 23 22:34:29 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: hmmm ok
Nov 23 22:34:34 <mickeyl> i plan to spend some time with it next week
Nov 23 22:34:43 <mickeyl> and i also hope that we can still change it
Nov 23 22:34:50 <mickeyl> _if_ it would turn out to be problematic
Nov 23 22:36:38 * mwester wishes mickeyl veto power if he needs it.
Nov 23 22:36:50 * mickeyl bows
Nov 23 22:37:13 <DocScrutinizer2> duh, where's the point?
Nov 23 22:37:28 <DocScrutinizer2> lost context
Nov 23 22:37:40 <dcordes> DocScrutinizer2: so you will use it just like the calypso?
Nov 23 22:38:14 <DocScrutinizer2> hmm, yeah. seems no big difference
Nov 23 22:38:54 <dcordes> mickeyl: did you have a look at the additional AT chatter?
Nov 23 22:40:32 <mickeyl> no, i'm too tired now
Nov 23 22:40:44 <mickeyl> will do soon
Nov 23 22:40:49 <mickeyl> bed time now
Nov 23 22:40:50 <mickeyl> g'night
Nov 23 22:40:57 <DocScrutinizer2> n8
Nov 23 22:41:47 <Hire> argh I hate vt blanking !
Nov 23 22:41:50 <Hire> i want to disable it
Nov 23 22:43:31 <DocScrutinizer2> if you succeed, place to wiki! ;-)
Nov 23 22:45:16 * mickey|zzZZzz points to setterm and really falls asleep
Nov 23 22:46:20 <Hire> leave mickeyl sleep
Nov 23 22:46:53 <dcordes> mickey|zzZZzz: good night
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