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Nov 24 07:58:07 <elserpiente> peace
Nov 24 09:04:45 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * rd10a69e11287 10/ (ChangeLog fso-gpsd.c): Made TCP address configurable
Nov 24 09:44:16 <Ainulindale> Damn thing
Nov 24 09:44:31 <Ainulindale> I can't seem to put these locales back in the image, something went wrong, but what?
Nov 24 09:56:20 <Ainulindale> hey quickdev 
Nov 24 09:56:26 <quickdev> hey
Nov 24 09:56:36 <Ainulindale> Battery & clock are good
Nov 24 09:56:44 <Ainulindale> Though now, the locales won't install, and I can't figure out why
Nov 24 10:00:28 <quickdev> they won't instal on the neo, or they won't go through OE?
Nov 24 10:02:20 <Ainulindale> They won't install on the generated image
Nov 24 10:02:27 <quickdev> what's the prob?
Nov 24 10:04:35 <Ainulindale> I have no idea
Nov 24 10:05:00 <quickdev> is there an error shown?
Nov 24 10:05:58 <Ainulindale> If there was I'd have told you :-)
Nov 24 10:06:28 <ptitjes> Hello
Nov 24 10:07:26 <ptitjes> quickdev: Could you tell me what is the expected behaviour with sending an SMS ?
Nov 24 10:07:53 <ptitjes> should I expect a notice if the message was not successfully sent ?
Nov 24 10:08:18 <quickdev> no, it should be sent..no notification at all
Nov 24 10:08:31 <ptitjes> and if an error occurs ?
Nov 24 10:09:00 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: should I try the new image ? what are the new stuff ?
Nov 24 10:11:17 <ptitjes> quickdev: on my previous phone, sometimes the message was not sent when e.g. the network had not enough strengh and I had a notice for that.
Nov 24 10:11:21 <quickdev> ptitjes, not handled if there's one atm
Nov 24 10:12:43 <ptitjes> so I can't know if my send was successful arghh
Nov 24 10:12:52 <ptitjes> would you like some help in implementing that ?
Nov 24 10:13:12 <Ainulindale> quickdev: did you implement the generic notification system we talked about?
Nov 24 10:13:41 <quickdev> Ainulindale, it's almost done, yes.
Nov 24 10:13:48 <ptitjes> I understood you were adding contact selection in sending an sms - am I right ?
Nov 24 10:13:58 <Ainulindale> quickdev: nice :-)
Nov 24 10:14:00 <ptitjes> maybe I can be of any help ?
Nov 24 10:14:15 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: if you're interested in gtk, maybe you could work on the other library :-)
Nov 24 10:14:26 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I just removed all the stamps and work directory, and I'll see
Nov 24 10:14:33 <ptitjes> I will be available this evening to do some coding...
Nov 24 10:15:02 <quickdev> ptitjes, do you want to code gtk or do you want help me improving the current lib?
Nov 24 10:15:22 <Ainulindale> I won't be there this afternoon by the way
Nov 24 10:15:24 <Ainulindale> I'm at ORacle
Nov 24 10:15:34 <ptitjes> I want that contact/dialer/sms be the best :) what other library are you talking about ?
Nov 24 10:15:58 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: THe architecture we built allow us to plug libraries
Nov 24 10:16:04 <ptitjes> ô great database monopolist! please give me some data!
Nov 24 10:16:05 <Ainulindale> There's a gtk library based on the old 2007.2 UI
Nov 24 10:16:36 <Ainulindale> Which isn't developed anymore, but I'd like to see some people working on it
Nov 24 10:16:36 <quickdev> ptitjes, I think it would be best if you help improving the EFL libraries (current one)
Nov 24 10:16:59 <quickdev> Ainulindale, why working on two things in parallel when we haven't got ONE lib that works great yet
Nov 24 10:17:02 <Ainulindale> Though as told quickdev, priority is having one fully working distro
Nov 24 10:17:13 <Ainulindale> quickdev: Because this is how open source works? :-)
Nov 24 10:17:19 <Ainulindale> And anyway, quickdev 
Nov 24 10:17:28 <Ainulindale> You should try to build a call journal functionnality, a light one
Nov 24 10:17:43 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: what is the interest of having two gui ? we should concentrate on one and then the second will be easy to develop...
Nov 24 10:17:46 <Ainulindale> This would truly interest people
Nov 24 10:17:59 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: what is the interest of having two different distros?
Nov 24 10:18:48 <ptitjes> I mean the logic flow will be the same. having the efl one up and running, tested will help a lot in having a second one.
Nov 24 10:19:24 <ptitjes> I think we aggree...
Nov 24 10:19:32 <ptitjes> so what could I do ?
Nov 24 10:19:43 <quickdev> ptitjes, atm I'm revamping the current code to make it much better. I hope I'm ready till this evening.
Nov 24 10:19:44 <ptitjes> for the efl gui ?
Nov 24 10:19:55 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: you could work on this journal thing
Nov 24 10:19:56 <Ainulindale> It's quite easy
Nov 24 10:19:59 <quickdev> plenty of things...but you should wait till I'm ready with my rework
Nov 24 10:20:02 <ptitjes> yeah
Nov 24 10:20:23 <Ainulindale> You'd have to listen to CallStatus signal
Nov 24 10:20:26 <ptitjes> is the diary thing involved in your current work quickdev ?
Nov 24 10:20:48 <Ainulindale> Not necessarily I think
Nov 24 10:21:02 <Ainulindale> His work will impact the code because he revamped window management
Nov 24 10:21:09 <Ainulindale> But this is dissociated anyway
Nov 24 10:21:26 <ptitjes> anyway I will be available around 20h (paris)
Nov 24 10:21:31 <quickdev> Ainulindale, how should that journal thing work? Extra app?
Nov 24 10:21:39 <Ainulindale> Yep
Nov 24 10:21:51 <quickdev> Ainulindale, and ophonekitd should log the calls?
Nov 24 10:22:06 <ptitjes> quickdev: will you be available around 20h to give me an overview of how I must plug in your work ?
Nov 24 10:22:26 <quickdev> ptitjes, yes
Nov 24 10:22:29 <ptitjes> cool
Nov 24 10:22:32 <quickdev> I hope I'll be ready
Nov 24 10:23:00 <Ainulindale> quickdev: yep
Nov 24 10:23:20 <quickdev> Ainulindale, that could be done by ptitjes, yes.
Nov 24 10:23:57 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: you just have to plug yourself on ophonekitd
Nov 24 10:24:02 <Ainulindale> And register each callstatus signal
Nov 24 10:24:49 <ptitjes> okay no probs
Nov 24 10:24:58 <ptitjes> what is the storage of choice ?
Nov 24 10:25:10 <Ainulindale> The simplest
Nov 24 10:25:16 <Ainulindale> As we'll use opimd later on
Nov 24 10:25:23 <Ainulindale> I'd suggest sqlite
Nov 24 10:25:50 <ptitjes> should I had a dbus layer for other apps to query for the history ?
Nov 24 10:25:58 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 24 10:26:06 <Ainulindale> This will be done by opimd, so no.
Nov 24 10:26:10 <ptitjes> oh I though the simplest would be a file...
Nov 24 10:26:22 <Ainulindale> I'd rather use something existing and working
Nov 24 10:26:39 <Ainulindale> The more important thing here is the UI ptitjes 
Nov 24 10:26:48 <Ainulindale> As soon as opimd will be out
Nov 24 10:27:00 <Ainulindale> We'll strip the backend stuff
Nov 24 10:27:02 <Ainulindale> And connect to opimd
Nov 24 10:27:13 <ptitjes> ok so I should abstract in between the loging of history (listening to dbus) and the displaying of the log
Nov 24 10:27:31 <Ainulindale> You'll do that anyway
Nov 24 10:28:50 <ptitjes> could you point me to a python file that is listening to some dbus signals ? I know how to call a method but not the other way round... (learning by example)
Nov 24 10:29:59 <ptitjes> also could you point me to a python file that makes a good overall use of the efl gui toolkit ?
Nov 24 10:31:23 <ptitjes> don't be affraid I'm learning quickly :) and am a quite good designer/deveveloper.
Nov 24 10:31:39 <quickdev> ptitjes, atm, all EFL apps are in C, not python
Nov 24 10:31:46 <quickdev> but there are python bindings
Nov 24 10:31:49 <quickdev> *available
Nov 24 10:32:03 <ptitjes> okay I can program in C
Nov 24 10:32:36 <quickdev> you should have a look at elementary
Nov 24 10:32:54 <ptitjes> I'll learn it by looking at your code first
Nov 24 10:33:04 <quickdev> http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/st/elementary/src/bin/test.c
Nov 24 10:33:25 <quickdev> ptitjes, then you should wait till the evening :)
Nov 24 10:34:13 <ptitjes> I know many gui toolkits (SWT, ... used qt one time, ...) so... this may not be different I think.
Nov 24 10:34:27 <ptitjes> so see you arround 20h
Nov 24 10:34:29 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: you won't have to listen to dbus signals
Nov 24 10:34:35 <Ainulindale> ophonekitd already does it
Nov 24 10:34:50 <ptitjes> oh another thing
Nov 24 10:35:29 <ptitjes> Sources are on svn or git ? any address I may need ?
Nov 24 10:35:43 <Ainulindale> git
Nov 24 10:35:52 <Ainulindale> git@shr.bearstech.com:shr.git
Nov 24 10:35:56 <Ainulindale> (I should make an alias for that)
Nov 24 10:36:05 <Ainulindale> quickdev: resolved my issue
Nov 24 10:36:10 <Ainulindale> This was a truly dumb thing
Nov 24 10:36:17 <quickdev> tell me..
Nov 24 10:36:31 <Ainulindale> At some time in the past I had PACKAGE_ARCH in a task
Nov 24 10:36:41 <Ainulindale> That means it created an instance of the task per arch
Nov 24 10:36:52 <Ainulindale> And output the ipk related to this arch
Nov 24 10:36:56 <Ainulindale> Removing it didn't remove the ipk
Nov 24 10:36:56 <quickdev> yeah
Nov 24 10:37:06 <Ainulindale> and opkg selects the best correspondance, first by choosing the arch
Nov 24 10:37:11 <Ainulindale> so it selected old ipks of my task
Nov 24 10:47:14 <ptitjes> WOW the 23/11 image's boot is so fast!!!!
Nov 24 10:48:46 <dcordes-kais> ptitjes fhr?
Nov 24 10:50:12 <ptitjes> dcordes-kais: yes shr :)
Nov 24 10:50:54 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: should I still remove the gsm gadget ?
Nov 24 10:51:07 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 24 10:51:14 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: wait for latest
Nov 24 10:51:21 <Ainulindale> It's there
Nov 24 10:51:34 <Ainulindale> (almost)
Nov 24 10:51:44 <ptitjes> already flashed
Nov 24 10:51:59 <Ainulindale> Then you won't have logrotate and such
Nov 24 10:52:07 <Ainulindale> I'm generating an updated image
Nov 24 10:52:10 <ptitjes> will reflash :)
Nov 24 10:52:13 <Ainulindale> With the good configuration
Nov 24 10:52:20 <Ainulindale> Wait for half an hour then
Nov 24 10:52:36 <ptitjes> hey! batery, gsm and clock gadgets are really cool guys!!!
Nov 24 10:52:49 <ptitjes> bravo!
Nov 24 10:52:52 <Ainulindale> Yea they're far better
Nov 24 10:57:11 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: I'll modify them for vagalume later on
Nov 24 11:00:40 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: vagalume ?
Nov 24 11:00:54 <ptitjes> you mean you will remove it ? and starling ?
Nov 24 11:08:06 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: heard I should send you a case of beer ;-)
Nov 24 11:10:01 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: maybe let's postpone this, until I'm back in Franken/Bayern/Germany, as I don't think you would enjoy the beer to be found here in TPE ;-)
Nov 24 11:13:32 <quickdev> DocScrutinizer, are you from franken?
Nov 24 11:17:22 <DocScrutinizer2> yup
Nov 24 11:17:49 <DocScrutinizer2> best beer in the world :-)
Nov 24 11:18:22 <quickdev> DocScrutinizer, where exactly from? :)
Nov 24 11:19:00 <DocScrutinizer2> N, 90429
Nov 24 11:19:10 <Hire> 90429?
Nov 24 11:19:23 <DocScrutinizer2> zip
Nov 24 11:20:00 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: I went to take my shower and when I came back my fr was vibrating indefinitely (until I reset it)
Nov 24 11:20:08 <ptitjes> seems it is a lost call ?
Nov 24 11:20:33 <quickdev> DocScrutinizer, nuremburg? Have some friends there :)
Nov 24 11:21:12 <DocScrutinizer2> :-)
Nov 24 11:22:09 <quickdev> where I'll be at the end of decembre
Nov 24 11:22:25 <DocScrutinizer2> :-/ 
Nov 24 11:22:32 <DocScrutinizer2> berlin, CCC
Nov 24 11:23:10 <quickdev> yeah, before
Nov 24 11:23:38 <DocScrutinizer2> oh, so during xmas. that's great :-)
Nov 24 11:24:23 <DocScrutinizer2> don't be shy dropping me a note
Nov 24 11:27:20 <quickdev> yeah, probably between xmas and ccc
Nov 24 11:40:44 <Hire> however
Nov 24 11:41:31 <Hire> today I did a call and received a call sith SHR without problems
Nov 24 11:41:36 <Hire> sounds perfects
Nov 24 11:41:45 <Hire> for me and the same for my friend
Nov 24 11:42:20 <Hire> a call without echo or buzz or low volume... perfect :)
Nov 24 11:42:21 <dcordes-kais> mickey|zzZZzz ping
Nov 24 11:43:33 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: huh?
Nov 24 11:43:37 <Ainulindale> You should send me a case of beer? :-)
Nov 24 11:43:39 <Ainulindale> Why?
Nov 24 11:43:52 <Ainulindale> I'd rather have a buzz fixed gta02 ! :-)
Nov 24 11:43:55 <Ainulindale> Or a testing gta03 :-p
Nov 24 11:44:09 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: I just bought 128 bottles in belgium :-)
Nov 24 11:44:46 <dcordes-kais> Ainulindale get a powerful htc :) . what's that problemw itht he buzz? I have seen reference to it in the wiki
Nov 24 11:46:52 <Ainulindale> HTC are evil
Nov 24 11:46:55 <Ainulindale> They kill kittens
Nov 24 11:47:47 <dcordes-kais> maybe. they also have working hardware
Nov 24 11:48:05 <Ainulindale> I don't really care
Nov 24 11:48:14 <Ainulindale> I didn't buy a freerunner expecting everything to work out of the bo
Nov 24 11:48:15 <Ainulindale> +x
Nov 24 11:48:23 <Ainulindale> I'm mainly supporting an open source initiative
Nov 24 11:48:29 <Ainulindale> That's what of interest to me
Nov 24 11:48:33 <Hire> ehi 
Nov 24 11:48:41 <dcordes-kais> Ainulindale relax. I'm joking.
Nov 24 11:48:45 <Hire> i want a case of beer too :/
Nov 24 11:48:52 <dcordes-kais> so what is that buzz thing?
Nov 24 11:48:54 <Ainulindale> dcordes-kais: I know :-)
Nov 24 11:49:06 <Ainulindale> The GSM buzzes on some devices
Nov 24 11:49:15 <Ainulindale> There's EMI between the GSM and some other stuff
Nov 24 11:49:19 <Ainulindale> Ask to DocScrutinizer2 for details
Nov 24 11:49:24 <dcordes-kais> ah I see
Nov 24 11:49:35 <dcordes-kais> add some foil?
Nov 24 11:49:46 <Ainulindale> Won't fix the thing
Nov 24 11:49:59 <Ainulindale> Only fix doable as is is to solder or screw around with a dremel
Nov 24 11:50:04 <Ainulindale> And I'm not gifted with my hands
Nov 24 11:50:47 <dcordes-kais> is fic making the gta03?
Nov 24 11:52:36 <Ainulindale> No idea
Nov 24 11:53:11 <Ainulindale> Ok, will flash latest lite image here.
Nov 24 11:53:35 <dcordes-kais> Ainulindale is light image fhr?
Nov 24 11:54:06 <Ainulindale> No idea about what you mean by fhr
Nov 24 11:54:11 <Hire> :)
Nov 24 11:55:53 <dcordes-kais> nothing more confusing than om images/distros/toolkit situation
Nov 24 11:57:04 <Ainulindale> Hire: I'll regenerate navit tonight
Nov 24 11:57:33 <Hire> eheh nice :)
Nov 24 11:57:37 <Hire> thx :)
Nov 24 11:57:45 <Hire> i will test it ;)
Nov 24 11:57:57 <Ainulindale> I'd be glad if you could test later fat image
Nov 24 11:57:59 <Hire> because i am testing it for cp15
Nov 24 11:58:00 <Ainulindale> s/later/latest/
Nov 24 11:58:04 <Hire> sure, i will do it :)
Nov 24 11:58:12 <Ainulindale> It just hit the buildhost
Nov 24 11:58:17 <Hire> now?
Nov 24 11:58:18 <Hire> perfect
Nov 24 11:58:20 <Ainulindale> As it seems it's trimmed beyond any measure
Nov 24 11:58:25 <Ainulindale> I'm afraid stuff is missing
Nov 24 11:58:49 <Hire> ok, I am downloading it
Nov 24 11:58:56 <Hire> we will see
Nov 24 11:59:01 <Ainulindale> I hope nothing is missing now
Nov 24 11:59:09 <Ainulindale> I'll tell you what I saw on lite
Nov 24 11:59:13 <Ainulindale> I'm flashing it at the moment
Nov 24 11:59:26 <Ainulindale> It should now use logrotate
Nov 24 11:59:41 <Hire> http://www.okiwii.net/images/9qvtmn1nt2cfss7n3bd4.png
Nov 24 11:59:57 <Hire> oops wrong chan :)
Nov 24 12:00:08 <Ainulindale> Hire: and on latest there's the illume modification
Nov 24 12:00:14 <Ainulindale> (battery & clock)
Nov 24 12:00:25 <Hire> sure
Nov 24 12:01:10 <Hire> ok i am flashing it
Nov 24 12:01:35 <Ainulindale> I hope it'll work
Nov 24 12:03:32 <Ainulindale> If it doesn't, I'll curse some people
Nov 24 12:03:54 <Ainulindale> Booting
Nov 24 12:04:01 <Ainulindale> Damn
Nov 24 12:04:05 <Ainulindale> Kernel panic
Nov 24 12:04:10 <Ainulindale> No init.
Nov 24 12:04:15 <Ainulindale> What is this freaking mess
Nov 24 12:05:35 <Ainulindale> What a pain in the ass
Nov 24 12:09:08 <Ainulindale> I removed the images, just in case someone had the idea to test them =)
Nov 24 12:09:58 <Ainulindale> it's a pity though that bitbakes doesn't give a warning for that kind of situation
Nov 24 12:10:32 <Hire> bucause without a warning is more funny 
Nov 24 12:10:43 <Ainulindale> I don't think so =)
Nov 24 12:10:53 <Ainulindale> Currently regenerating lite again
Nov 24 12:10:59 <Ainulindale> Will regenerate image after that
Nov 24 12:11:03 <Ainulindale> Though I'll be leaving
Nov 24 12:11:21 <Ainulindale> Going to talk about security with people at Oracle
Nov 24 12:12:15 <Hire> bad people :)
Nov 24 12:13:40 <Hire> ok flashed
Nov 24 12:13:55 <Ainulindale> It won't boot Hire 
Nov 24 12:14:05 <Hire> i can't stop that :D
Nov 24 12:14:08 <Hire> it is booting
Nov 24 12:14:25 <Hire> weird
Nov 24 12:14:31 <Hire> ok
Nov 24 12:14:34 <Hire> kernel panic :)
Nov 24 12:16:00 <Hire> i will wait
Nov 24 12:16:36 <Ainulindale> reflashing lite locally
Nov 24 12:27:01 <Ainulindale> Hire: new image out again
Nov 24 12:27:10 <Ainulindale> Lite is flashing here
Nov 24 12:27:14 <Ainulindale> And I'm going away
Nov 24 12:27:16 <Ainulindale> See you tonight
Nov 24 12:27:34 <Hire> ok :)
Nov 24 12:27:42 <Hire> see you tonight ainu, I will test it now
Nov 24 13:05:42 <TommyB> hey, i flashed the shr image for om-gta02 from 10:09, and noticed that gpsd comes installed on it (not fso-gpsd)
Nov 24 13:05:46 <TommyB> anyone else seeing this?
Nov 24 13:05:55 <Hire> Ainulindale: no locales  ( empty list ), profiles with illume, scalable and minimal. gsm, clock and battery module works with that new looks
Nov 24 13:06:56 <mirko-paroli> hej hi
Nov 24 13:07:11 <mirko-paroli> anyone here experience with building packages for the testing image ?
Nov 24 13:09:40 <quickdev> mirko-paroli, what's your problem?
Nov 24 13:10:00 <mirko-paroli> quickdev: I want to build paroli packages
Nov 24 13:10:10 <mirko-paroli> and have no clue how to go about that
Nov 24 13:10:45 <quickdev> mirko-paroli, you should create a openembedded recipe
Nov 24 13:10:56 <quickdev> btw...what is paroli? The applet manager? or was that tichy? :)
Nov 24 13:11:25 <mirko-paroli> it is or will be the phone stack, dialer, contacts, msgs etc, tha applet manager is tichy, yes
Nov 24 13:11:40 <Hire> yeash
Nov 24 13:11:41 <quickdev> ah, right :)
Nov 24 13:11:47 <Hire> it is the applet manager
Nov 24 13:12:05 <quickdev> mirko-paroli, is there a setup.py in your directory structure?
Nov 24 13:12:18 <mirko-paroli> ehm
Nov 24 13:12:20 <mirko-paroli> nope
Nov 24 13:12:27 <quickdev> are you mirko lindner?
Nov 24 13:12:32 <mirko-paroli> yapp
Nov 24 13:12:55 <quickdev> ah, ok, I followed the mailing list concerning paroli 
Nov 24 13:12:59 <mirko-paroli> ah nice
Nov 24 13:15:21 <mirko-paroli> trying to get more attention and activity by providing packages
Nov 24 13:15:28 <quickdev> mirko-paroli, you should first read about python setuputils
Nov 24 13:16:13 <quickdev> http://www.python.org/doc/2.5.2/dist/setup-script.html
Nov 24 13:16:29 <quickdev> mirko-paroli, have you had a look at the current shr image?
Nov 24 13:16:42 <mirko-paroli> ah cool, thx
Nov 24 13:16:48 <mirko-paroli> nope working on testing
Nov 24 13:17:05 <mirko-paroli> the packages are meant to be included there at some point
Nov 24 13:17:52 <mirko-paroli> and that one image gives me enough sleepless nights ;)
Nov 24 13:19:24 <quickdev> you should have a look at our phone stack. we are no competitor because we follow a different goal than paroli, but maybe you can get some ideas out of it :)
Nov 24 13:19:50 <mirko-paroli> ah right
Nov 24 13:19:57 <mirko-paroli> yes I remember the phone app
Nov 24 13:20:58 <`pwgen`> hello, is it a known problem that ecore-native_svn.bb wont build ?
Nov 24 13:20:59 <mirko-paroli> as soon as we have a more or less solid basis I will certainly look around and see where and how we can improve
Nov 24 13:21:50 <mirko-paroli> for now I have to get things moving ;)
Nov 24 13:32:27 <Hire> uhm,
Nov 24 13:32:31 <Hire> this is werid
Nov 24 13:32:34 <Hire> weird
Nov 24 13:32:40 <Hire> when i want to install navit via opkg
Nov 24 13:32:48 <Hire> I get: An error ocurred, return value: -49900.
Nov 24 13:35:25 <TommyB> i got that same error when trying to install fso-gspd
Nov 24 13:36:02 <TommyB> solved that by removing gpsd (with -force-depends... also removed libgps and stuff) and installing fso-gpsd
Nov 24 13:39:17 <TommyB> but even then some weirdness remains: when i do "opkg info fso-gpsd" it shows me two versions: the current version, which is installed, and a slightly older one with status "install ok not-installed" (?)
Nov 24 13:41:39 <TommyB> maybe this has something to do with http://git.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=commit;h=282341dcf8eca9c6d6e69eecb99b91dc18abbecd
Nov 24 13:47:05 <mirko-paroli> quickdev: u are using the efl and edje etc, right?
Nov 24 13:47:09 <mirko-paroli> in shr I mean
Nov 24 13:47:22 <quickdev> yes
Nov 24 13:47:27 <ptitjes> TommyB: Ainulindale has regenerated the image (13:23)
Nov 24 13:47:28 <quickdev> but not python, we are using C
Nov 24 13:47:43 <mirko-paroli> ah, but maybe you have experienced this as well
Nov 24 13:47:51 <mirko-paroli> I am trying to emit a signal to change the gui
Nov 24 13:48:04 <mirko-paroli> wait 2 seconds and then delete the element that I just changed
Nov 24 13:48:06 <ptitjes> Hire: did you opkg update && opkg upgrade ??
Nov 24 13:48:16 <ptitjes> before opkg install something ?
Nov 24 13:48:23 <ptitjes> if not you should
Nov 24 13:48:37 <mirko-paroli> but instead of emitting the signal and changing it waits till the 2 seconds are over 
Nov 24 13:48:40 <mirko-paroli> and then emits
Nov 24 13:48:47 <mirko-paroli> so that the change never occurs
Nov 24 13:49:11 <mirko-paroli> is there an edje function or method that allows me to directly redraw or is that a python problem?
Nov 24 13:50:28 <quickdev> mirko-paroli, you want to send a signal from your python application to the edje gui to change something. And 2 seconds later the changed element should be deleted?
Nov 24 13:50:52 <mirko-paroli> quickdev: yapp, it is just the "contact saved" notice
Nov 24 13:52:41 <mirko-paroli> quickdev: the saving is so quick that one wouldn't see the notice if it was a callback or sth like that
Nov 24 13:52:43 <quickdev> why is it waiting 2 seconds BEFORE sending the signal? shouldn't it be the opposite?
Nov 24 13:53:04 <mirko-paroli> ah nej nej
Nov 24 13:53:22 <mirko-paroli> signal change gui then wait 2 seconds then delete element
Nov 24 13:53:36 <ptitjes> quickdev: By the way, why not use standard X notifications for the new incomming SMS stuff - i find this approach less intrusive than a new big window - either you click the notification to get more infos, either you click on the rest of the screen to get back to what you were doing...
Nov 24 13:54:32 <quickdev> mirko-paroli, "but instead of emitting the signal and changing it waits till the 2 seconds are over , and then emits" <- I didn't understand this
Nov 24 13:54:49 <mirko-paroli> that is my problem
Nov 24 13:55:13 <mirko-paroli> edje seems to not change imidiatly it instead waits until the 2 seconds are over
Nov 24 13:55:25 <mirko-paroli> see if there is more changes coming
Nov 24 13:55:30 <mirko-paroli> to see if
Nov 24 13:55:42 <quickdev> ptitjes, I think a new message is quite important :) 1 click to close the new message window is too much?
Nov 24 13:56:17 <quickdev> mirko-paroli, sleep two seconds then after emitting the signal?
Nov 24 13:57:05 <mirko-paroli> i emit the signal to change the gui
Nov 24 13:57:14 <mirko-paroli> and then call a sleep
Nov 24 13:57:20 <mirko-paroli> for 2 seconds 
Nov 24 13:57:24 <mirko-paroli> and then call a delete element
Nov 24 13:57:30 <mirko-paroli> edje receives the signal
Nov 24 13:57:36 <mirko-paroli> but doesn't put it into practive
Nov 24 13:57:38 <mirko-paroli> practice
Nov 24 13:57:44 <mirko-paroli> but instead waits for the delete call
Nov 24 13:57:51 <mirko-paroli> which occurs 2 seconds later
Nov 24 13:58:16 <mirko-paroli> so it receives the signal to show the notice, but doesn't show it right awy
Nov 24 13:58:18 <mirko-paroli> away
Nov 24 13:58:29 <mirko-paroli> it's not too important
Nov 24 13:58:32 <mirko-paroli> just bugs me
Nov 24 13:58:36 <TommyB> ptitjes: it seems to work for me now, besides that opkg install status weirdness, so i won't reflash today ;)
Nov 24 13:58:41 <TommyB> Hire: have you solved your problem yet?
Nov 24 13:58:43 <ptitjes> quickdev: when you are in the dialer and begins to type a number it is boring to have the window poping up like that
Nov 24 13:59:15 <ptitjes> TommyB: Hire: opkg update and opkg upgrade before anything else
Nov 24 13:59:36 <quickdev> mirko-paroli, now I understood you. It does not process the show signal. ok...what code do you use to show it?
Nov 24 13:59:52 <VladoK> mirko-paroli, quickdev: hi, sorry to interrupt you but I'm just trying to solve (probably) the same issue.. :(
Nov 24 14:00:09 <quickdev> VladoK, what are you coding? :)
Nov 24 14:00:16 <mirko-paroli> signal_emit(SIGNAL,'*')
Nov 24 14:00:31 <quickdev> mirko-paroli, and the code that processes that signal?
Nov 24 14:00:34 <VladoK> mirko-paroli: try touching the touchscreen during those 2sec - it might refresh the screen.. (as in my case)
Nov 24 14:01:05 <quickdev> VladoK, mirko-paroli, sleep() is wrong
Nov 24 14:01:06 <VladoK> quickdev: I'm trying to move an icon based on external input device input (in python)
Nov 24 14:01:15 <quickdev> because it blocks the ecore main loop
Nov 24 14:01:23 <quickdev> which should redraw things inbetween
Nov 24 14:01:29 <mirko-paroli> ah
Nov 24 14:01:33 <mirko-paroli> that would explain it ;)
Nov 24 14:01:44 <quickdev> you should use something like ecore_timer_add
Nov 24 14:01:50 <quickdev> I don't know the exact syntax
Nov 24 14:01:55 <quickdev> but that might give you a start :)
Nov 24 14:02:03 <VladoK> quickdev: I have a thread which selects() on /dev/input/eventx and when there is something it just tries to move the icon (by +1,+2 px each time)
Nov 24 14:02:22 <VladoK> quickdev: so it should move smoothly; but it gets refreshed only about twice/sec
Nov 24 14:02:43 <quickdev> VladoK, are you using sleep() ?
Nov 24 14:03:05 <VladoK> quickdev: but: when I move my finger over the touchscreen, it moves smoothly
Nov 24 14:03:55 <VladoK> quickdev: nope, select() in another thread, it just calls "(icon object).move(x,y)"
Nov 24 14:03:59 <ptitjes> isn't there a scheduler library in python ?
Nov 24 14:04:50 <VladoK> quickdev: when I hook the same "(icon object).move(x,y)" call to cursor move, it just gets drawn immediately
Nov 24 14:05:18 <VladoK> quickdev: so I presume that it gets updated on mouse events but not just on changing widget position..
Nov 24 14:06:19 <quickdev> VladoK, are you sure that eventx emits something on each movement? (haven't used that dev interface yet)
Nov 24 14:06:44 <VladoK> yes it does (I'm using accelerometer input which just produces a lot of data)
Nov 24 14:06:45 <Hire> uhm with the lastest image network doesn't work
Nov 24 14:07:32 <VladoK> quickdev: the only issue is that it doesn't refresh each time I call move() - so then the icon gets moved by 20 or so pixels at once :(
Nov 24 14:07:59 <quickdev> VladoK, what does move exactly do?
Nov 24 14:08:33 <VladoK> quickdev: moves the widget? don't know what it does internally, though..
Nov 24 14:09:29 <quickdev> VladoK, could I see the code?
Nov 24 14:09:46 <VladoK> quickdev: sure, just a second..
Nov 24 14:14:07 <VladoK> quickdev: http://people.ksp.sk/~vlado/edje
Nov 24 14:15:06 <quickdev> VladoK, self.cursor.move(x, y) is not intended properly?
Nov 24 14:15:23 <quickdev> it has a tab in front
Nov 24 14:15:32 <VladoK> quickdev: oops, I'm afraid there are some tabs/spaces issues..
Nov 24 14:15:50 <VladoK> quickdev: shouldn't be an issue though
Nov 24 14:16:48 <quickdev> let me boot my neo ;)
Nov 24 14:17:05 <VladoK> quickdev: it is calling that move, it is changing the icon's position - but it does refresh the screen only sometimes :(
Nov 24 14:18:20 <VladoK> quickdev: (I'm just stating with e (and python) so maybe it is just something really trivial..)
Nov 24 14:20:01 <quickdev> yeah, one moment
Nov 24 14:23:56 <Hire> what is it that vladok?
Nov 24 14:35:54 <quickdev> VladoK, you have two threads, right?
Nov 24 14:36:15 <quickdev> one that reads the thing and another where the ecore main loop is executed
Nov 24 14:36:17 <VladoK> quickdev: yes - since the reading one is block in select() most of the time
Nov 24 14:36:41 <quickdev> VladoK, you are performing UI actions outside the ecore main loop
Nov 24 14:36:48 <quickdev> that's not allowed, because it's not thread safe
Nov 24 14:37:51 <VladoK> quickdev: sure, I should add some sync.. but that won't solve this issue :(
Nov 24 14:39:00 <VladoK> quickdev: this is not any final app (yet), just a quick-and-dirty hack to get the icon moving based on external input..
Nov 24 14:41:30 <quickdev> VladoK, one moment..
Nov 24 14:44:25 <mrmoku_> quickdev: thanks for the clock and the battery :D
Nov 24 14:45:29 <mirko-paroli> quickdev: thankls for the ecore loop tip, it works now
Nov 24 14:45:39 <mirko-paroli> not the cleanest solution here, but at least it does as it is told ;)
Nov 24 14:45:44 <mirko-paroli> time for a small coffee break
Nov 24 14:52:10 <quickdev> VladoK, try this: http://rafb.net/p/ZD7fwz52.html
Nov 24 14:52:24 <quickdev> in that code move() is executed in ecore's main loop
Nov 24 14:52:30 <quickdev> communication is done via pipes
Nov 24 14:52:33 <quickdev> between the two threads
Nov 24 14:55:25 <VladoK> quickdev: well - it does more-less the same thing for me.. :(
Nov 24 14:56:25 <VladoK> oops..
Nov 24 14:56:36 <VladoK> sorry, my fault - still running my version :)
Nov 24 14:57:40 <quickdev> VladoK, does mine work
Nov 24 14:57:41 <quickdev> ?
Nov 24 14:58:02 <VladoK> quickdev: yes, it seem to work...
Nov 24 14:58:16 <VladoK> just trying to figure out what is the difference..
Nov 24 15:00:20 <VladoK> quickdev: is there anything in e that actually makes the other-thread-access not working?
Nov 24 15:03:27 <quickdev> you just shouldn't do UI things in a second thread, because it'S not thread safe :)
Nov 24 15:04:00 <VladoK> yes I know - but it should work (and crash from time to time..) shouldn't it? ;)
Nov 24 15:05:33 <quickdev> VladoK, not necessarily :)
Nov 24 15:08:32 <VladoK> quickdev: oh well.. :) but thanks anyway
Nov 24 15:09:47 <VladoK> but I have one more question: why is the center rect in my code yellow on freerunner? :) that is, with "color=(200,200,200,155)" which should be semi-transparent light gray (on blue background)...
Nov 24 15:10:10 <quickdev> because it's half-transparent
Nov 24 15:10:16 <quickdev> instead of 155, use 255
Nov 24 15:11:23 <VladoK> okay, but then it won't be transparent.. :) it looks like some color mixing code doesn't behave as it should..
Nov 24 15:11:51 <VladoK> (on a pc it isn't yellow at all)
Nov 24 15:13:24 <VladoK> some experiments: (200,200,200,0) = invisible; (200,200,200,1) = light gray
Nov 24 15:14:56 <VladoK> but when using black, the alpha value works nice (ie, (0,0,0,128) darkens the blue background half-way, (0,0,0,255) is all-black)...
Nov 24 15:17:26 <Hire> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PyPhonelog <-- ehi, nice idea
Nov 24 15:22:11 <quickdev> Hire, that's what ptitjes wanted to do
Nov 24 15:23:35 <Hire> AHHHHHHHHHH
Nov 24 15:23:38 <Hire> nice :D
Nov 24 15:23:40 <Hire> very nice :D
Nov 24 15:43:34 <jonkristian> Still having shr build problems here, http://rafb.net/p/uSqOP655.html
Nov 24 15:46:08 <quickdev> jonkristian, you forgot to apply raster's patches
Nov 24 15:46:52 <jonkristian> hm
Nov 24 15:47:25 <jonkristian> I did apply them, maybe something didn't go right, i should be using the alternative patchet?
Nov 24 15:48:01 <quickdev> afaik in the wiki is a patchset
Nov 24 15:48:13 <quickdev> remember to delete patches-applied/* if you applied them once
Nov 24 15:48:38 <jonkristian> yes
Nov 24 15:49:15 <jonkristian> there are two ways in the wiki, i was using the alternative, since from what i read, they are out of sync with the repo
Nov 24 15:49:21 <jonkristian> http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Building SHR?version=3
Nov 24 15:50:18 <quickdev> johnsu01, yeah, right
Nov 24 15:50:22 <quickdev> *jonkristian
Nov 24 15:51:09 <jonkristian> i get http://rafb.net/p/sEPBAp88.html
Nov 24 15:51:20 <jonkristian> tried both examples in there
Nov 24 15:51:37 <jonkristian> maybe there's something wrong with my env
Nov 24 16:16:06 <Zorkman> starling sefgaults each time
Nov 24 16:16:11 <Zorkman> (on SHR)
Nov 24 16:16:24 <Zorkman> even after a opkg remove starling and opkg install starling
Nov 24 16:19:16 <Hire> Ainulindale: ping
Nov 24 16:22:34 <nomeata> Hi SHR guys. How did you configure your image to auto-suspend quickly? Is that illume, or frameworkd?
Nov 24 16:24:43 <hiciu> nomeata: /etc/freesmartphone/rules.yaml
Nov 24 16:24:52 <hiciu> nomeata: /etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd/rules.yaml*
Nov 24 16:26:31 <nomeata> hiciu: are you sure? I don’t find anything about suspend there.
Nov 24 16:28:05 <alx_> is there anyone who has some hardware skills on GTA02 ? 
Nov 24 16:28:27 <dcordes_> alx_: I once made a toaster from mine
Nov 24 16:28:52 <alx_> wow
Nov 24 16:29:03 <alx_> I want simply to understand the debug board :D
Nov 24 16:29:15 <dcordes_> alx_: no documentation?
Nov 24 16:29:21 <hiciu> nomeata: sorry, my fault. There is nothing about suspend..
Nov 24 16:29:32 <alx_> dcordes_, or too much doc :D don't know.
Nov 24 16:29:47 <dcordes_> alx_: what about http://wiki.openmoko.org ?
Nov 24 16:29:57 <alx_> dcordes_, if I read the SPI protocol I get that I may use 3 or 4 wire, depending on how the SPI master is set
Nov 24 16:30:07 <dcordes_> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v3
Nov 24 16:30:11 <alx_> dcordes_, checked it a lot before coming here
Nov 24 16:30:40 <alx_> I'm not talking about the debug board
Nov 24 16:30:47 <dcordes_> alx_: I never used it. I'm only familiar with rs232
Nov 24 16:31:12 <alx_> doh... simply I cannot find information on how the SPI bus is set on MOKO
Nov 24 16:31:45 <alx_> and I lost myself in the schematics to check if the _SS_ on the debug connector is connected to the master, 
Nov 24 16:31:45 <bumbl> alx_: ask DocScrutinizer 
Nov 24 16:32:00 <alx_> which one ? :D
Nov 24 16:32:23 <bumbl> I don't know
Nov 24 16:32:38 <alx_> DocScrutinizer, you here ?
Nov 24 16:32:44 <alx_> DocScrutinizer2, you here ? 
Nov 24 16:32:44 <alx_> ^^
Nov 24 16:32:52 <bumbl> he is one of openmoko's hardware guys
Nov 24 16:32:56 <alx_> I see
Nov 24 16:33:23 <alx_> it seems he's not here :P
Nov 24 16:51:07 <Hire> quickdev
Nov 24 16:51:17 <quickdev> Hire, 
Nov 24 16:51:34 <Hire> cp15 seems have solved an issue with "destionation"
Nov 24 16:51:55 <Hire> with the r1751
Nov 24 16:52:16 <quickdev> Hire, have to go now. Back in an hour.
Nov 24 16:52:23 <Hire> sure, no problem :)
Nov 24 16:52:50 <Zorkman> Hire/Quickdev; you guys are into FSO, could it not be possible to make every *.desktop file, regardless of the categaries, show?
Nov 24 16:53:30 <Hire> ehm
Nov 24 16:53:42 <Hire> someone has borked the all desktop files
Nov 24 16:54:18 <DocScrutinizer> alx_: what's up?
Nov 24 16:54:25 <sicu> Ainulindale: if you're still wondering about the case of beer: http://n2.nabble.com/Crostalk-of-voice-input-and-output-in-openmoko-FreeRunner-tp1569485p1571282.html
Nov 24 16:55:06 <DocScrutinizer> alx_: what's _SS_?
Nov 24 16:55:42 <alx_> wow
Nov 24 16:56:13 <alx_> DocScrutinizer, on the debug connector in the upper part of the GTA02
Nov 24 16:56:22 <alx_> there is the 4-wire SPI
Nov 24 16:56:37 <alx_> I cannot find any doc on wiki on how it the SPI-master configured
Nov 24 16:56:57 <alx_> SDI/SDO/SCLK/_SS_
Nov 24 16:57:31 <alx_> _SS_ is the Slave Select 
Nov 24 16:57:45 <bumbl> quickdev: is it wanted that with the latest image I can't select a language anymore?
Nov 24 16:58:24 <quickdev> bumbl, I don't think so. Ask Ainulindale 
Nov 24 16:58:29 <BluesLee> sicu: what is that about the beer stuff?
Nov 24 16:58:46 <bumbl> Ainulindale: is it wanted that with the latest image I can't select a language anymore?
Nov 24 16:58:58 <alx_> DocScrutinizer, ?!?
Nov 24 16:59:46 <BluesLee> sicu: echo cancellation? the commands mentioned there are not included as default...
Nov 24 16:59:56 <sicu> BluesLee: we all have to buy a case of beer and give it to Ainulindale (and i say we give one to quickdev too)
Nov 24 17:00:39 <BluesLee> sicu: should i add those commands to avoid echo?
Nov 24 17:00:44 <bumbl> how to get a | with rasters keyboard
Nov 24 17:01:06 <mwester> Or perhaps a case of snails.
Nov 24 17:01:37 <DocScrutinizer> alx_: your question?
Nov 24 17:02:03 <sicu> mwester: a case of snails would surely fix both echo and buzzing
Nov 24 17:02:32 <bumbl> DocScrutinizer: i think he want's to know how the spi master is configured
Nov 24 17:02:40 <alx_> I want to drive thru SPI a PIC (16F818)
Nov 24 17:02:44 <DocScrutinizer> per software?
Nov 24 17:03:06 <alx_> first question : _SS_ on the debug connector is connected anywhere else , or 
Nov 24 17:03:26 <DocScrutinizer> I don't see any _SS_ on debug
Nov 24 17:03:26 <alx_> the Slave Select line there is meant to be used for a new SPI slave ?
Nov 24 17:03:56 <Zorkman> bumbl: you go to numbers and press shift
Nov 24 17:04:03 <Zorkman> fifth icon, second row
Nov 24 17:04:35 <alx_> o.O let me take the schematics again, maybe I'm wrong :)
Nov 24 17:04:43 <alx_> ok 
Nov 24 17:04:49 <DocScrutinizer> alx_: sorry, I didn't recently check SPI from alpha to omega. Don't know more than you can read from the schematics
Nov 24 17:04:54 <sicu> BluesLee: havn't tried the commands mentioned, just thought i'd link to a post that acknowledges the work already done by the SHR guys =]
Nov 24 17:05:25 <DocScrutinizer> there's a SS0
Nov 24 17:05:39 <alx_> DocScrutinizer, lol I was just searching to get how to phisically connect in the right way. :)
Nov 24 17:05:43 <DocScrutinizer> the signal changes name frequently
Nov 24 17:05:50 <alx_> I supposte the SPI is connected to WLAN too
Nov 24 17:06:00 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Nov 24 17:06:27 <BluesLee> sicu: should the mentioned patch work for every phone call or only the first? there was a discussion about that ...
Nov 24 17:06:49 <BluesLee> mwester: did you tried superalex's patch?
Nov 24 17:06:53 <DocScrutinizer> n8!
Nov 24 17:07:18 <sicu> bumbl: or terminal keyb: shift + (the button over return)
Nov 24 17:07:38 <bumbl> ah
Nov 24 17:07:41 <alx_> DocScrutinizer, so the Slave Signal line on the debug connector isn't different from the WLAN one ?
Nov 24 17:07:42 <bumbl> found it
Nov 24 17:08:17 <sicu> BluesLee: it wasn't very clear from what i read in the ML ... but the AT command by itself would only work for the following 1 call
Nov 24 17:09:14 <BluesLee> sicu: there should be a method for all calls ...
Nov 24 17:09:24 <DocScrutinizer> alx_: look at schematics please, or use a Ohm-meter to simply probe. I didn't design this device, I'm just trying to catch the errors. On SPI debugcon we didn't see any errors so far, so I never looked at it in detail
Nov 24 17:10:33 <alx_> lol I see :)
Nov 24 17:10:39 <sicu> BluesLee: yes, looks like the patch involves some rework to get it going for all calls, and Paul-10 seems to have had success in testing it so far
Nov 24 17:11:34 <alx_> watching at http://people.openmoko.org/roh/Debugport_GTA01bv4.png you'll see SPI_CLK, SPI_MOSI SPI_MISO and SS
Nov 24 17:11:39 <alx_> I lost in the schematics :D
Nov 24 17:11:44 <DocScrutinizer> alx_: also see page one of schematics!
Nov 24 17:11:49 <DocScrutinizer> blockdiagram
Nov 24 17:12:43 <alx_> which pace one ? :D
Nov 24 17:12:45 * DocScrutinizer away, needs some sleep once or twice a week
Nov 24 17:13:19 <alx_> lool
Nov 24 17:13:24 <alx_> good night ^^
Nov 24 17:13:28 <alx_> thanks for help ^^
Nov 24 17:13:30 <alx_> bye
Nov 24 17:13:44 <DocScrutinizer> alx_: "STRUCTURE" page :-/
Nov 24 17:15:45 <DocScrutinizer> really annoying, to get stultified on "I can't read schematics, where does this wire run to"
Nov 24 17:19:23 <DocScrutinizer> [2008-11-25 00:56:13] <alx_> DocScrutinizer, on the debug connector in the upper part of the GTA02  -----   [2008-11-25 01:11:34] <alx_> watching at http://people.openmoko.org/roh/Debugport_GTA01bv4.png
Nov 24 17:21:39 <Zorkman> shr once again doesn't ask for a pin upon boot
Nov 24 17:22:09 <Zorkman> ** (process:1246): DEBUG: dbus not available, try again in 5s
Nov 24 17:30:24 <DocScrutinizer> Zorkman: Mickeyl recently mentioned muxer is powercycling the modem on startup, to do a full reset. So I wonder, how the PIN is handled, especially on killing muxer and restarting it again
Nov 24 17:31:41 <DocScrutinizer> [2008-11-24 05:43:06] <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Added reinit method to abstract modem class,
Nov 24 17:31:45 <DocScrutinizer> [2008-11-24 05:43:06] <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: * added hook for handling a HUP in the low level channel class,
Nov 24 17:31:46 <DocScrutinizer> [2008-11-24 05:43:06] <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: * added reinitializing the TI Calypso modem class whenever
Nov 24 17:31:46 <DocScrutinizer> [2008-11-24 05:43:07] <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: a HUP on any MUXer channel has been detected (which means
Nov 24 17:31:46 <DocScrutinizer> [2008-11-24 05:43:09] <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: that the gsm0710muxd has probably been killed).
Nov 24 17:31:47 <DocScrutinizer> [2008-11-24 05:43:11] <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: NOTE: We now survive a killall gsm0710muxd transparently!
Nov 24 17:31:50 <DocScrutinizer> [
Nov 24 17:33:26 <DocScrutinizer> mickey|zzZZzz: zzZZzz?!? 
Nov 24 17:33:33 * DocScrutinizer zzZZzz now
Nov 24 17:33:45 <BluesLee> sim auth has gone after i added the patch to /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso and rebootet
Nov 24 17:34:24 <BluesLee> is there something like a security check for changed fso files?
Nov 24 17:34:36 <DocScrutinizer> :D
Nov 24 17:34:57 <DocScrutinizer> what's this check supposed to do?
Nov 24 17:35:15 <BluesLee> no sim auth if anthing is changed:-)
Nov 24 17:35:44 <DocScrutinizer> runtime? lol
Nov 24 17:36:01 <BluesLee> no
Nov 24 17:36:04 <DocScrutinizer> this isn't skype ;)
Nov 24 17:36:07 <BluesLee> i rebootet
Nov 24 17:37:00 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: how do i do correct restart of the gsm stuff instead of booting?
Nov 24 17:37:13 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, bye guys'n'gals
Nov 24 17:37:26 <bumbl> DocScrutinizer: but that's a security feature (as the Vista x64 ads tell us)
Nov 24 17:37:29 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: sim auth is now there after i copied the file back
Nov 24 17:37:43 <DocScrutinizer> prolly via some <initscript> restart?
Nov 24 17:39:16 <ernst> hallo ist bei shr im bereich gprs was geändert worden ?
Nov 24 17:39:51 <DocScrutinizer> see [2008-11-25 01:30:23] <DocScrutinizer> Zorkman: Mickeyl recently mentioned muxer is powercyc...
Nov 24 17:44:48 <BluesLee> sicu: the patch does not work for me, it blocks sim auth
Nov 24 17:44:57 <Hire> ernst: only english
Nov 24 17:45:28 <mwester> DocScrutinizer: that is true, but the powercycle of the GSM will only happen if the software muxer fails in a fatal way -- which is often due to some confusion between the host and the GSM anyway.  So in reality, the previous behavior was bad (it required the user to reboot to recover), but the new behavior is really no worse - it won't require a reboot.
Nov 24 17:46:17 <mwester> I guess as for the issue of PIN being required, I wonder if the framwork does that like bluetooth stacks -- you enter the pin and as long as things remain running, it remembers it so you don't have to enter it again...
Nov 24 17:46:53 <DocScrutinizer> that's been my question, basically
Nov 24 17:48:47 <ernst> sorry can you help me. is somthing with gprs change in new shr testing ?
Nov 24 18:11:42 <mokel1> is gprs broken on latest shr version?
Nov 24 18:49:27 <Hire> quickdev? ainulindale?
Nov 24 18:59:10 <alx_> DocScrutinizer, back ^^
Nov 24 19:16:08 <alx_> DocScrutinizer, may I bug you a bit with some help in understanding the schematics ?
Nov 24 19:16:19 <lindi-> mickeyl|ezx: is there a way to test different rules.yaml settings without de-registering from GSM network?
Nov 24 19:16:47 <mokel1> is gprs broken on latest shr version?
Nov 24 19:16:54 <alx_> or well, may someone explain what the numbers between round parenthesis means ?
Nov 24 19:17:00 <alx_> I read on the schematics
Nov 24 19:17:24 <alx_> sorry square brakets :D
Nov 24 19:17:33 <alx_> [2,3] SPI_CLK0
Nov 24 19:17:40 <alx_> what are the [2,3] ?
Nov 24 19:17:40 <alx_> :$
Nov 24 19:17:53 <mickeyl|ezx> lindi-: try the dbus interface
Nov 24 19:17:53 <mickeyl|ezx> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Events.html;hb=HEAD
Nov 24 19:18:12 <lindi-> hmm
Nov 24 19:18:47 <Ainulindale> Hire: Here am I
Nov 24 19:18:59 <Hire> eheh hi :)
Nov 24 19:19:29 <Hire> Ainulindale: cp15 solves a bad issue with searching and the internal gui... can you please bump it to the lastest rev? ;)
Nov 24 19:19:40 <Hire> ( sorry but I want to test it for cp15 )
Nov 24 19:20:42 <lindi-> mickeyl|ezx: also, if "while: CallListContains("incoming")" calls an external command inside actions: block how often is that going to be executed? at unspecified interval?
Nov 24 19:20:52 <Hire> rev1753 and pass it with --enable-svg2png-scaling="8 16 32 48 70 96"
Nov 24 19:21:13 <Hire> ( i am talking about navit :D
Nov 24 19:21:16 <Ainulindale> Hire: I will but first I have to fix the locales thing
Nov 24 19:21:23 <Hire> sure
Nov 24 19:22:30 <lindi-> mickeyl|ezx: also, the rules.yaml entries don't all have name: set. do i need to set them names before i can RemoveRule and AddRule them back?
Nov 24 19:23:05 <mickeyl|ezx> lindi-: it is not specified how often the call 'incoming' signal will trigger
Nov 24 19:23:14 <mickeyl|ezx> lindi-: ya, i think so
Nov 24 19:23:17 <mickeyl|ezx> (naming)
Nov 24 19:23:27 <mickeyl|ezx> alternatively, you can just restart everything
Nov 24 19:23:49 <lindi-> mickeyl|ezx: but that logs me out of GSM network :)
Nov 24 19:24:10 <mickeyl|ezx> not if you outcomment 'killall gsm0710muxd'
Nov 24 19:24:19 <mickeyl|ezx> it's in the TI Calypso modem abstraction
Nov 24 19:24:21 <lindi-> :P
Nov 24 19:24:49 <mickeyl|ezx> i guess we should have 'updateRules' in dbus
Nov 24 19:24:55 <mickeyl|ezx> or even better... use inotify to sense updates
Nov 24 19:24:57 <mickeyl|ezx> and then reparse
Nov 24 19:25:07 <Ainulindale> mickeyl|ezx: would you have a tiny tinsy minute for me? :-)
Nov 24 19:25:09 <lindi-> mickeyl|ezx: anyways, the real issue here is that 'stereout' scenario has PCM set to only 92% but i'd like ringtone to be played at 100%
Nov 24 19:25:14 <mickeyl|ezx> Ainulindale: only one
Nov 24 19:25:17 <Ainulindale> :-)
Nov 24 19:25:20 <mickeyl|ezx> i'm really trying to get some ezx work done today
Nov 24 19:25:23 <Ainulindale> I tried everything I could but
Nov 24 19:25:33 <Ainulindale> One of my tasks keeps outputing the wrong package list
Nov 24 19:25:36 <Ainulindale> I bumped PR, PV
Nov 24 19:25:38 <Ainulindale> Still the same
Nov 24 19:25:46 <Ainulindale> Even though it appears to be the right one using opkg info
Nov 24 19:25:46 <mickeyl|ezx> wrong == ?
Nov 24 19:25:49 <Ainulindale> Outdated
Nov 24 19:26:02 <Ainulindale> This morning I deleted stamps, and work
Nov 24 19:26:05 <mickeyl|ezx> what does the build log says and what is expected?
Nov 24 19:26:14 <Ainulindale> What is expected in my case is to have some binary locales
Nov 24 19:26:17 <Ainulindale> I hAve them on my computer
Nov 24 19:26:20 <Ainulindale> On the buildhost, I don't
Nov 24 19:26:22 <Ainulindale> Same config
Nov 24 19:26:38 <lindi-> mickeyl|ezx: if I want to run external command to play the ringtone how do I know when the ringtone should be stopped?
Nov 24 19:26:49 <lindi-> mickeyl|ezx: i mean, there is no RingTone("stop") anymore
Nov 24 19:26:54 <lindi-> ... being called
Nov 24 19:27:04 <mickeyl|ezx> lindi-: you need to write a special action that knows how to 'undo' 
Nov 24 19:27:23 <mickeyl|ezx> use that in combination with the 'while' rule
Nov 24 19:27:47 <lindi-> hmm
Nov 24 19:28:15 <lindi-> also, can i make it a trigger that call list contains "incoming"? so that it will only fire on the rising edge?
Nov 24 19:28:26 <lindi-> and not while:
Nov 24 19:29:24 <lindi-> and then i could have trigger: Not(CallListContains("incoming")) actions: Command("killall external-ringtone-program")
Nov 24 19:33:30 <lindi-> hmm, sudo mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd prints dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "(unset)" member "Introspect" error name "(unset)" destination ":1.27")
Nov 24 19:34:50 <Ainulindale> mickeyl|ezx: And I'd be interested in knowing if RRECOMMENDS will still act as a dependency, but google will tell me that I guess
Nov 24 19:36:31 <lindi-> sudo mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd "/org/freesmartphone/Events org.freesmartphone.Events.AddRule('name: a\ntrigger: CallListContains("incoming")\nactions: Command("logger 1")')"
Nov 24 19:36:35 <lindi-> Object name not found
Nov 24 19:37:31 <alx_> ehm... I need some help in understanding the schematics..
Nov 24 19:42:07 <thseiler> alx_: can you be more precise, what is the question ?
Nov 24 19:48:41 <alx_> thseiler, I read at page 7
Nov 24 19:48:45 <alx_> near debug connector
Nov 24 19:48:50 <alx_> [2,3] SPI_SLCK
Nov 24 19:48:56 <alx_> what does the [2,3] means ?
Nov 24 20:03:12 <alx_> thseiler, ?
Nov 24 20:09:46 <`pwgen`> alx_: which schematic do you mean ?
Nov 24 20:09:57 <BluesLee> hi
Nov 24 20:10:01 <BluesLee> opkg upgrade gave me a * Package task-shr-minimal-x md5sum mismatch
Nov 24 20:10:30 <bumbl> try again
Nov 24 20:10:44 <bumbl> I would say the download got corrupted
Nov 24 20:11:24 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: That's normal
Nov 24 20:11:26 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 24 20:11:34 <Ainulindale> That's because I'm trying to fix this damn freaking thing
Nov 24 20:11:37 <Ainulindale> (no locales)
Nov 24 20:11:43 <BluesLee> okay
Nov 24 20:11:48 <Hire> :)
Nov 24 20:17:40 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: how did you integrated the echo supression thing in shr?
Nov 24 20:18:28 <Ainulindale> If it's in frameworkd, it's in
Nov 24 20:18:31 <Ainulindale> If it isn't, it isn't
Nov 24 20:18:37 <Ainulindale> And if it isn't, I won't do it
Nov 24 20:19:17 <bumbl> afaik it is only partially in
Nov 24 20:19:22 <bumbl> only for the first call
Nov 24 20:19:34 <Ainulindale> Then open a ticket for that
Nov 24 20:19:49 <Ainulindale> I won't do much on frameworkd than configuration
Nov 24 20:19:57 <Ainulindale> It's there for that after all, tests and such
Nov 24 20:20:00 <quickdev> bumbl, talk to mickey
Nov 24 20:20:04 <quickdev> or alphaone 
Nov 24 20:20:22 <Ainulindale> quickdev: Ok, there was ANOTHER problem with the tasks
Nov 24 20:20:24 <bumbl> quickdev: i think they are aware
Nov 24 20:20:26 <quickdev> bumbl, have you tested it?
Nov 24 20:20:26 <Ainulindale> There's some package data
Nov 24 20:20:30 <Ainulindale> in tmp/pkgdata
Nov 24 20:20:35 <Ainulindale> It contained some dependencies
Nov 24 20:20:35 <bumbl> as it is discussed on the dev or community mailinglist
Nov 24 20:20:48 <Ainulindale> I removed all of the stuff I could find, and I'm currently recompiling
Nov 24 20:20:48 <quickdev> bumbl, have you tested it yourself?
Nov 24 20:20:50 <bumbl> they even offered you some beer Ainulindale 
Nov 24 20:20:51 <bumbl> quickdev: no
Nov 24 20:20:57 <quickdev> Ainulindale, ok :)
Nov 24 20:20:58 <TAsn> Ainulindale, hey, about this: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/58 is there any more info you need? I will be more than happy to provide it ;]
Nov 24 20:21:03 <BluesLee> bumbl: i tried that patch
Nov 24 20:21:21 <Ainulindale> Supposedly with the fixed stuff for ptitjes (no dependency on task-shr-*)
Nov 24 20:21:34 <bumbl> quickdev: i had the echo issue only sporadically though
Nov 24 20:21:34 <Ainulindale> TAsn: Nope
Nov 24 20:21:38 <Ainulindale> quickdev is working on it :-)
Nov 24 20:21:40 <Ainulindale> (supposedly)
Nov 24 20:21:40 <BluesLee> bumbl: the sim auth failed after patching that file
Nov 24 20:22:02 <TAsn> Ainulindale, cool ;]
Nov 24 20:22:10 <TAsn> quickdev, I'm here if you need more info ;]
Nov 24 20:22:18 <bumbl> BluesLee: that's not good
Nov 24 20:22:19 <quickdev> TAsn, ok, thanks :)
Nov 24 20:22:27 <bumbl> have you tried rebooting once or twice
Nov 24 20:22:33 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I think it will only solve itself once you guys finish the gtk libs for your apps.
Nov 24 20:22:36 <TAsn> quickdev, thank you.
Nov 24 20:22:46 <BluesLee> bumbl: once
Nov 24 20:23:01 <TAsn> quickdev, don't forget who's using who's software ;]
Nov 24 20:23:13 <quickdev> TAsn, do you prefer GTK? :)
Nov 24 20:23:25 <TAsn> I actually do, yeah.
Nov 24 20:23:30 <Ainulindale> TAsn: why would it?
Nov 24 20:23:37 <Ainulindale> TAsn: You know we need developer for the gtk lib?
Nov 24 20:23:39 <Ainulindale> +s
Nov 24 20:23:39 <TAsn> mostly because etk doesn't support rtl support.
Nov 24 20:23:51 <BluesLee> bumbl: why that stuff isnt included in frameworkd? have to interview mickeyl
Nov 24 20:24:02 <quickdev> TAsn, we are not using etk (or more precisely, only for lists)
Nov 24 20:24:10 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I didn't know that.
Nov 24 20:24:18 <quickdev> TAsn, RTL?
Nov 24 20:24:23 <TAsn> quickdev, then what toolkit are you using?
Nov 24 20:24:30 <TAsn> quickdev, right to left 
Nov 24 20:24:31 <quickdev> TAsn, raster's elementary 
Nov 24 20:24:35 <Ainulindale> TAsn: He doesn't work on the GTK part
Nov 24 20:24:39 <Ainulindale> TAsn: No one currently work on it
Nov 24 20:24:44 <Ainulindale> I'd be glad if someone took the lead for that
Nov 24 20:24:48 <Ainulindale> I can't bear doing UI things
Nov 24 20:24:53 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I c...
Nov 24 20:24:59 <TAsn> well UI stuff actually suck badly ;]
Nov 24 20:25:05 <Ainulindale> Indeed
Nov 24 20:25:16 <BluesLee> i thought something would change in the top shelf ... battery ... digital clock
Nov 24 20:25:18 <TAsn> what about copy pasting 2007.2's gui initializers?
Nov 24 20:25:51 <Ainulindale> TAsn: That's what we did in the gtk lib
Nov 24 20:26:02 <Ainulindale> TAsn: The gtk lib IS 2007.2 gui
Nov 24 20:26:10 <Ainulindale> That's why it's boring
Nov 24 20:26:18 <Ainulindale> The work to do is to strip of the gsm stuff
Nov 24 20:26:26 <Ainulindale> And tie it to ophonekitd/libframeworkd-glib
Nov 24 20:26:35 <BluesLee> how do i get the digital clock?
Nov 24 20:26:39 <TAsn> Ainulindale, that's it?
Nov 24 20:26:45 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: By downloading the latest image I'm currently generating
Nov 24 20:26:46 <Ainulindale> TAsn: Yeah
Nov 24 20:26:48 <Ainulindale> That's it
Nov 24 20:26:52 <Ainulindale> All the code is there
Nov 24 20:26:56 <Ainulindale> Waiting to be tied
Nov 24 20:27:04 <Ainulindale> There will be some problems, I'm sure
Nov 24 20:27:07 <TAsn> BluesLee, I also hate the analog, that's why I edited the theme file
Nov 24 20:27:09 <TAsn> you should too.
Nov 24 20:27:10 <Ainulindale> But it doesn't seem that difficult to me
Nov 24 20:27:18 <Ainulindale> TAsn: It's default digital on latest
Nov 24 20:27:24 <TAsn> Ainulindale, cool.
Nov 24 20:27:28 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: upgrading wont work?
Nov 24 20:27:33 <Ainulindale> Not for that
Nov 24 20:27:37 <Ainulindale> And not for the locales either
Nov 24 20:27:45 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I just opkg upgraded ;] let's hope everything will look cool. ;]
Nov 24 20:27:56 <Ainulindale> Well, for the changes I'm about to make you'll have to reflash
Nov 24 20:28:08 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: no ... how can i handle that? by copying which files?
Nov 24 20:28:42 <mokel> is gprs broken at the lastes shr packages?
Nov 24 20:29:14 <TAsn> btw, maybe you know, for some reason, illume pops up an error alert when some of the apps exit (probably because I use the X in illume which some of the apps don't like and return an unusual error code), anyone knows if that can be turned off in the configurations?
Nov 24 20:29:18 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: the problem is that i use it daily i installed fbreader, omview, shortom etc and configured all those things
Nov 24 20:29:37 <knox> hi everybody
Nov 24 20:29:37 <TAsn> Ainulindale, what changes did you do?
Nov 24 20:29:53 <knox> how to disable wifi in SHR once its enabled?
Nov 24 20:29:59 <BluesLee> can someone upload a screenshot of the new theme?
Nov 24 20:30:02 <knox> how to enable GPS in SHR?
Nov 24 20:30:09 <Ainulindale> TAsn: Trying to fix the locales as we speak.
Nov 24 20:30:19 <TAsn> locales are broken?
Nov 24 20:30:29 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: then backup your config
Nov 24 20:30:34 <Ainulindale> TAsn: yep
Nov 24 20:30:37 <Ainulindale> (no language selection)
Nov 24 20:30:47 <TAsn> I c.
Nov 24 20:30:55 <TAsn> well that didn't bother me too much ;]
Nov 24 20:31:22 <Ainulindale> It bothers me
Nov 24 20:31:27 <bumbl> knox: it seems that gps is broken in fso
Nov 24 20:31:34 <TAsn> Ainulindale, it should ;]
Nov 24 20:31:35 <knox> bumbl: i see
Nov 24 20:31:45 <bumbl> as I don't get a fix neither with fso nor with shr
Nov 24 20:31:53 <mokel> knox: its broken for me, too
Nov 24 20:32:00 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: why such things cannot be handled with upgrading. think of thousands of users who should do that because of some new features;-)
Nov 24 20:32:03 <mokel> gprs doesnt work, too
Nov 24 20:32:04 <Ainulindale> TAsn, BluesLee: I also removed as much useless stuff as possible from the image
Nov 24 20:32:09 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: Because this isn't an image
Nov 24 20:32:12 <Ainulindale> This is a preview
Nov 24 20:32:16 <knox> ive just flashed SHR and i like it a lot but i am missing a few things like knobs to toogle gps
Nov 24 20:32:19 <Ainulindale> I don't care about you not being able of upgrading
Nov 24 20:32:28 <mokel> knox: its enabled automatically
Nov 24 20:32:28 <Ainulindale> What I care about is stabilizing the build process
Nov 24 20:32:28 <knox> which used to be under settings in om2008
Nov 24 20:32:29 <BluesLee> getting to an image this will change?
Nov 24 20:32:32 <Ainulindale> And making it simple
Nov 24 20:32:32 <mokel> when requested
Nov 24 20:32:46 <knox> mokel: oh i c
Nov 24 20:32:50 <Ainulindale> knox: GPS should be auto toggled by tangogps for instance
Nov 24 20:32:55 <TAsn> Ainulindale, after upgarde I get this:
Nov 24 20:32:57 <TAsn> ** (process:1388): DEBUG: ogsmd_sim_retrieve_phonebook_callback()
Nov 24 20:32:59 <TAsn> Failed to handle dbus error: type: <class 'framework.resource.ResourceNotEnabled'>
Nov 24 20:32:59 <TAsn> , 71 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32
Nov 24 20:32:59 <TAsn> ;\
Nov 24 20:33:00 <Ainulindale> But it seems currently, GPS is borking.
Nov 24 20:33:03 <mokel> when a program connects to fso-gpsd, it enables itself
Nov 24 20:33:07 <Ainulindale> TAsn: launching contacts?
Nov 24 20:33:11 <TAsn> aye.
Nov 24 20:33:20 <Ainulindale> TAsn: killall -9 ophonekitd; DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd&
Nov 24 20:33:20 <knox> wow, fso seems much more advanced than i would have expected
Nov 24 20:33:26 <Ainulindale> TAsn: You upgraded frameworkd I bet
Nov 24 20:33:34 <TAsn> I guess I have
Nov 24 20:33:36 <knox> well, thenk my last question for tonite: what about ad-hoc wifi
Nov 24 20:33:39 <TAsn> I did opkg upgrade
Nov 24 20:33:46 <knox> it seems it doesnt work with mofi/SHR/fso
Nov 24 20:33:48 <Ainulindale> Then that's normal TAsn 
Nov 24 20:34:00 <Ainulindale> We currently don't manage that
Nov 24 20:34:05 <Ainulindale> We will, I hope, in the end
Nov 24 20:34:15 <Ainulindale> If frameworkd restarts, then ophonekitd loses its connection to it
Nov 24 20:34:17 <knox> i have a freifunk network here wich uses adhoc and i can't connect to it with shr
Nov 24 20:34:19 <Ainulindale> Just restart it and it'll be ok
Nov 24 20:35:11 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I actually was after a reboot
Nov 24 20:35:19 <TAsn> though after issuing your command it worked.
Nov 24 20:35:44 <BluesLee> what is the problem with numptyphysics, it does not work anymore ...
Nov 24 20:35:51 <Ainulindale> Grraaaaaaah
Nov 24 20:35:58 <Ainulindale> I'll remove numptyphysics from the image
Nov 24 20:36:03 <Ainulindale> This way, no one will bother me with it anymore
Nov 24 20:36:12 <TAsn> Ainulindale, NOO ;]
Nov 24 20:36:15 <Ainulindale> Damn, I think I repeated that a dozen of times a day for a week
Nov 24 20:36:17 <BluesLee> hey
Nov 24 20:36:25 <Ainulindale> Just opkg install libpng3!
Nov 24 20:36:28 <BluesLee> it didnt worked for me since a week
Nov 24 20:36:44 <TAsn> Ainulindale, don't you think adding libpng3 to the base image is a better idea? ;]
Nov 24 20:36:45 <BluesLee> and i didnt bothered you
Nov 24 20:36:53 <BluesLee> hehe
Nov 24 20:37:08 <TAsn> haha good idea.
Nov 24 20:37:11 <Ainulindale> TAsn: If I could, I'd do it
Nov 24 20:37:26 <knox> opkg install penis-extras
Nov 24 20:37:35 <TAsn> though people that ask annoying questions usually don't read the topic ;]
Nov 24 20:37:47 <Ainulindale> That's not an annoying question
Nov 24 20:37:48 <knox> well, the SHR trac says to come here
Nov 24 20:37:51 <Ainulindale> It's just that I'm easily annoyed
Nov 24 20:37:55 <knox> i didnt know its developers only
Nov 24 20:37:58 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: didnt know anything about the libpng stuff, could have started it from console right ...
Nov 24 20:38:09 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: rofl :-)
Nov 24 20:38:09 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: console message isn't explicit
Nov 24 20:38:17 <MarcOChapeau> nice topic
Nov 24 20:38:43 <BluesLee> remove the penis stuff
Nov 24 20:38:50 <BluesLee> it remembers me of my spams
Nov 24 20:38:59 <BluesLee> every day
Nov 24 20:39:05 <BluesLee> and shr is no spam;-)
Nov 24 20:39:10 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I really like where shr is going...
Nov 24 20:39:17 <MarcOChapeau> yeah, but it does cure small penis !
Nov 24 20:39:44 <TAsn> btw, I will check out the 2007.2 apps source codes and will see what I can do about porting them to use the framework-glib.
Nov 24 20:39:45 <Ainulindale> TAsn: Up your ass?
Nov 24 20:39:51 <TAsn> I hope I had more time ;]
Nov 24 20:39:52 <knox> i have read in the wiki today that shr uses om2007 telephony apps? but this seems a bit outdated to me
Nov 24 20:39:54 <Ainulindale> TAsn: Check the mailing list then
Nov 24 20:39:55 <BluesLee> MarcOChapeau: how?
Nov 24 20:39:57 <Ainulindale> I'm posting about that
Nov 24 20:40:04 <TAsn> Ainulindale, haha you really are easily annoyed
Nov 24 20:40:21 <BluesLee> MarcOChapeau: i think its vice versa. the more you are hacking the more ...
Nov 24 20:40:29 <TAsn> I think I will come here just to hear you shout at people...
Nov 24 20:40:30 <MarcOChapeau> BluesLee: If I told you, I have to kill you
Nov 24 20:40:43 <TAsn> you will be my faye, and this chan will be my coffee of doom.
Nov 24 20:40:45 <TAsn> ;]
Nov 24 20:40:58 <MarcOChapeau> s/I/I'd/
Nov 24 20:40:59 <Ainulindale> TAsn: Oh it's just that it's been a long day
Nov 24 20:41:16 <Ainulindale> And I'm @*ù*#ù by this task problem
Nov 24 20:41:38 <TAsn> Ainulindale, take a break, play numpty physics ;/
Nov 24 20:41:41 <Ainulindale> This image generation problem took me my whole day
Nov 24 20:41:44 <TAsn> haha ^ ^
Nov 24 20:41:45 <TAsn> night.
Nov 24 20:41:53 <Ainulindale> And three days before too
Nov 24 20:41:54 <BluesLee> okay, i will do a reflash
Nov 24 20:41:55 <TAsn> im off.
Nov 24 20:42:08 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: Wait for me telling you it's good please
Nov 24 20:42:16 <TAsn> BluesLee, you should wait after Ainulindale finished building the packs.
Nov 24 20:42:28 <TAsn> s/packs/images/
Nov 24 20:42:38 <BluesLee> how much time you need?
Nov 24 20:42:47 <Ainulindale> Half an hour or so
Nov 24 20:42:51 <BluesLee> okay
Nov 24 20:43:03 <Ainulindale> Currently flashing to test
Nov 24 20:43:34 <BluesLee> currently backuping the most important configs
Nov 24 20:44:31 <BluesLee> who did this mod http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0676ddd738734e2469549b8aafd8aff0.png
Nov 24 20:44:56 <Ainulindale> Marf
Nov 24 20:45:22 <TAsn> oh yeah, btw Ainulindale 
Nov 24 20:45:38 <BluesLee> what is it, something like e/xfce/?? behind?
Nov 24 20:45:39 <knox> today i saw a thread on the mailinlists with a topic like "windows on openmoko?"
Nov 24 20:45:42 <knox> :-)
Nov 24 20:45:47 <TAsn> what's up with illume not finding the default pixmap dir?
Nov 24 20:45:51 <TAsn> is it fixed already?
Nov 24 20:46:04 <knox> weird, i can't opkg install libpng3
Nov 24 20:46:15 <BluesLee> hmm
Nov 24 20:46:16 <Ainulindale> TAsn: I don't know what you're talking about
Nov 24 20:46:17 <knox> it says error 0 and failed to download
Nov 24 20:46:40 <TAsn> Ainulindale, for some reason, putting the name of the icon in the desktop files isn't enough
Nov 24 20:46:58 <TAsn> and I have to put the whole path in order to get the icons to work
Nov 24 20:47:07 <BluesLee> TAsn: play with categories
Nov 24 20:47:28 <TAsn> BluesLee, I don't think that has anything to do with it.
Nov 24 20:47:33 <TAsn> I see the launchers
Nov 24 20:47:39 <BluesLee> okay
Nov 24 20:47:39 <TAsn> just empty icons.
Nov 24 20:48:10 <TAsn> well, night.
Nov 24 20:48:15 <BluesLee> sometimes the packages dont show up the launchers because of "wrong" categories
Nov 24 20:49:34 <Ainulindale> Well, booting latest here, we'll see
Nov 24 20:49:46 <Ainulindale> Though there's no locales anyway, but I think that's because of RRECOMMENDS
Nov 24 20:50:05 <TAsn> BluesLee, yeah, I know that bug.
Nov 24 20:51:03 <mokel> where do i get this ( http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4dc340d6661464ca15a0789011cdd3c6.png ) theme?
Nov 24 20:51:16 <bumbl> BluesLee: i would guess it's photoshop
Nov 24 20:52:12 <BluesLee> mokel: ask hire, the dictators here dont like it;-)
Nov 24 20:52:24 <Ainulindale> Seems it froze, or it's taking a huge time to boot
Nov 24 20:52:32 <quickdev> dictators..hrr
Nov 24 20:52:34 <mokel> why dont they like it?
Nov 24 20:52:44 <Hire> mokel: it is sicu's themes
Nov 24 20:52:48 <Hire> so ask him about that
Nov 24 20:53:10 <BluesLee> i was wrong about that
Nov 24 20:53:13 <bumbl> nothing to say against a benelovent dictator
Nov 24 20:53:26 <BluesLee> yeah
Nov 24 20:53:45 <BluesLee> you are dictating the direction
Nov 24 20:54:10 <knox> before i really stop bugging you: i still cant figure how to disable wifi in SHR once im connected to a network
Nov 24 20:54:17 <BluesLee> and we are the soldiers, buffalo soldiers ...
Nov 24 20:54:27 <Hire> oh my god ...
Nov 24 20:55:11 <Hire> don't stress ainulindale
Nov 24 20:57:00 <Ainulindale> Damn locaaaaaaaaaales
Nov 24 20:57:38 <Hire> doesn't works?
Nov 24 20:57:41 <Hire> uhm weird
Nov 24 20:59:36 <Ainulindale> Well I just want to doom raster for all the eternity
Nov 24 21:00:01 <Hire> eheh
Nov 24 21:00:14 * Hire slaps raster for Ainulindale
Nov 24 21:00:25 <Ainulindale> Locales are here, but they won't be installed on the image.
Nov 24 21:00:29 <Ainulindale> Why, god, why?
Nov 24 21:00:43 <Hire> you don't have a god :)
Nov 24 21:00:54 <Ainulindale> Yes I have
Nov 24 21:00:57 <Ainulindale> He's called beer
Nov 24 21:01:04 <Ainulindale> Going to pop him for a while outside
Nov 24 21:01:16 <Ainulindale> Hire: did you see the pictures? :-)
Nov 24 21:01:23 <Hire> yeah :)
Nov 24 21:01:29 <Hire> i want a case of beer too :D
Nov 24 21:01:32 <Ainulindale> Heh :-)
Nov 24 21:01:40 <Hire> but I want it now :D
Nov 24 21:02:39 <Hire> uhm
Nov 24 21:03:32 <Hire> raster can take some cases of beer as a "sorry for locales, here is my excuse"
Nov 24 21:03:39 <Hire> it isn't a bad idea ..
Nov 24 21:03:44 <Hire> takes
Nov 24 21:06:42 <dolf1074> Do anyone know where the edje file of the home screen is located?
Nov 24 21:06:53 <dolf1074> or how the application is called?
Nov 24 21:07:37 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: what do you think of werner.init ? looks like it can replace half of rcS.d
Nov 24 21:09:15 <Ainulindale> MarcOChapeau: nothing, I don't know about it
Nov 24 21:09:44 <Hire> dolf1074: /usr/share/en*/data/themes
Nov 24 21:09:55 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: hmm, aren't you the one who posted the link ? http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/werner/myroot/werner.init
Nov 24 21:09:59 <MarcOChapeau> :D
Nov 24 21:10:04 <dolf1074> Hire: and in the bitbake setup?
Nov 24 21:10:27 <Hire> the same
Nov 24 21:10:29 <Hire> :)
Nov 24 21:10:33 <dolf1074> nice ;)
Nov 24 21:11:04 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: I heard 2008.9 had it's share of startup optimization. We should probably port them into SHR images
Nov 24 21:11:30 <Ainulindale> MarcOChapeau: No I'm not
Nov 24 21:11:33 <Ainulindale> And feel free to work on that
Nov 24 21:12:23 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: the email was sent to SHR-devel by someone called Julien Cassignol. Sounds familiar ?
Nov 24 21:12:26 <MarcOChapeau> :-p
Nov 24 21:12:48 <Ainulindale> I don't know about him
Nov 24 21:12:48 <Hire> om2008.11
Nov 24 21:12:58 <Hire> it boots in 30 seconds
Nov 24 21:13:40 <Hire> Ainulindale: if you was an italian I will call you "gnorri" :)
Nov 24 21:14:04 <bumbl> how long does it usually take a mail to the openmoko mailinglists?
Nov 24 21:17:09 <ptitjes> re
Nov 24 21:18:27 <ptitjes> quickdev: ?
Nov 24 21:19:23 <quickdev> ptitjes, welcome back
Nov 24 21:20:03 <quickdev> ptitjes, you wanted to code that call history function? there's already a program for that
Nov 24 21:20:13 <quickdev> Hire, what was its name?
Nov 24 21:20:29 <Hire> gnorri?
Nov 24 21:20:53 <ptitjes> link ?
Nov 24 21:23:19 <ptitjes> can't find that! are u sure of the spelling Hire ?
Nov 24 21:23:35 <ptitjes> Aaaahhh Duvel!!!
Nov 24 21:23:36 <dolf1074> Did I miss something? Is opimd already inserted :)
Nov 24 21:24:21 <quickdev> ptitjes, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PyPhonelog
Nov 24 21:24:26 <Hire> i don't get who and what I have named ..
Nov 24 21:24:40 <Ainulindale> DAMN FREAKING LOCALES
Nov 24 21:25:02 <Ainulindale> I think I'm going to insert them in the IMAGE_INSTALL without bothering anymore
Nov 24 21:25:08 <Ainulindale> I'm tired with all of this dumb stuff
Nov 24 21:25:15 <Hire> ohhh
Nov 24 21:25:22 <Hire> nice
Nov 24 21:25:24 <Hire> do that
Nov 24 21:25:38 <Hire> you can't go to be mad for that dumb stuff 
Nov 24 21:26:56 <quickdev> Ainulindale, don't bother with it too long
Nov 24 21:27:56 <Ainulindale> quickdev: If I could, I would
Nov 24 21:28:10 <BluesLee> okay, no image i guess
Nov 24 21:28:10 <Ainulindale> But that is the key to my understanding of OE
Nov 24 21:28:18 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: I'll be generating one in a minute
Nov 24 21:28:26 <Ainulindale> With a Quick and Dirty (TM) fix
Nov 24 21:28:54 <BluesLee> for the locales?
Nov 24 21:29:00 <Ainulindale> Yes
Nov 24 21:29:10 <Ainulindale> It just bothers me soooo much
Nov 24 21:29:13 <BluesLee> i dont need locales, one world!
Nov 24 21:29:24 <Ainulindale> Other people do need them.
Nov 24 21:29:36 <BluesLee> yeah, you are right
Nov 24 21:29:45 <Ainulindale> As ever :-)
Nov 24 21:29:58 <ptitjes> arf arf arf
Nov 24 21:30:07 <ptitjes> ;)
Nov 24 21:30:14 <BluesLee> i began to talk like a dictator, sorry for that
Nov 24 21:32:03 <Ainulindale> Generation is launched.
Nov 24 21:32:18 <Ainulindale> Default to en-us for base image, all the locales for fat
Nov 24 21:32:45 <BluesLee> okay, i install the base normally
Nov 24 21:32:55 <ptitjes> Did someone tried pyphonelog ?
Nov 24 21:33:03 <ptitjes> I like but:
Nov 24 21:33:20 <ptitjes> 1) it's python and the rest of the current gui is in C
Nov 24 21:33:29 <TAsn> it doesn't matter
Nov 24 21:33:36 <ptitjes> 2) it's gtk+ and the rest of the gui is based on EFL
Nov 24 21:33:38 <BluesLee> what time is the one of the testing dir?
Nov 24 21:33:41 <TAsn> the only problem is it's gtk and most of the rest of the gui is etk
Nov 24 21:33:49 <TAsn> ptitjes, I use it frequently.
Nov 24 21:33:59 <TAsn> Actually, I'm the one that wrote it ;]
Nov 24 21:34:15 <ptitjes> For these two things it is not coherent with the gui of shr
Nov 24 21:34:46 <ptitjes> Tasn: Oh I was pending asking you if it works well but you might not be objective ;)
Nov 24 21:35:07 <ptitjes> Please could you share a screenshot ?
Nov 24 21:35:25 <TAsn> ptitjes, sec.
Nov 24 21:35:27 <ptitjes> Also you said on the wiki : This daemon uses the "org.smartphone.opimd" dbus bus name.
Nov 24 21:35:38 <TAsn> yeah, USES
Nov 24 21:35:48 <TAsn> I meant OWNS ;]
Nov 24 21:36:24 <TAsn> amm sec I will add a screeshot, though you should remember it's mostly a daemon, the gui is just the bonus ;]
Nov 24 21:36:29 <ptitjes> could you elaborate ? not sure to understand it correctly
Nov 24 21:36:30 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: Redevelop it
Nov 24 21:36:40 <Ainulindale> If necessary
Nov 24 21:36:44 <TAsn> ptitjes, opimd doesn't exist
Nov 24 21:36:49 <Ainulindale> And anyway it's easy to do
Nov 24 21:37:01 <ptitjes> Ainulidale: try to determine if it is necessary
Nov 24 21:37:07 <Ainulindale> I'm telling you it is
Nov 24 21:37:13 <Ainulindale> That's my opinion
Nov 24 21:37:18 <ptitjes> do you think it is ? what are you objection against pyphonelog
Nov 24 21:37:24 <TAsn> just to make sure people understand that it's meant to work with that instead of with my custom daemon, I used a similar name.
Nov 24 21:37:27 <Ainulindale> it's simple enough for someone to develop to quickly
Nov 24 21:37:40 <Ainulindale> And it'll allow you to get your hands in what we did
Nov 24 21:37:42 <Ainulindale> So do it
Nov 24 21:38:04 <Ainulindale> Feel free to use pyphone as the actual GUI
Nov 24 21:38:10 <TAsn> Ainulindale, aye. It was fast and easy to develop, although location the python bindings for the libmokoui was hard ;]
Nov 24 21:38:16 <Ainulindale> But do the "database" alimentation with our standards
Nov 24 21:38:20 <Ainulindale> TAsn: libmokoui?
Nov 24 21:38:23 <Ainulindale> Why lobmokoui?
Nov 24 21:38:27 <Ainulindale> s/lo/li/
Nov 24 21:38:28 <TAsn> aye, the finger scrolling
Nov 24 21:38:35 <Ainulindale> Oh
Nov 24 21:39:10 <ptitjes> TAsn: what part of opimd interface your deamon implements ?
Nov 24 21:39:19 <TAsn> ptitjes, just the phone log
Nov 24 21:39:27 <TAsn> incoming, outgoing and missed calls.
Nov 24 21:39:48 <TAsn> it keeps them in an sqlite db in your root dir
Nov 24 21:39:51 <TAsn> nothing too fancy.
Nov 24 21:39:54 <ptitjes> I don't understand why this is part of opimd
Nov 24 21:39:56 <TAsn> I just needed a phone log ;]
Nov 24 21:40:01 <TAsn> IT'S NOT!
Nov 24 21:40:09 <Ainulindale> Ok then it's easy ptitjes 
Nov 24 21:40:13 <Ainulindale> Just bind to this daemon
Nov 24 21:40:16 <Ainulindale> In ophonekitd
Nov 24 21:40:20 <ptitjes> PIM is, IHMO, contacts, dates, ... management
Nov 24 21:40:29 <Ainulindale> Only if you don't want to rebuild it
Nov 24 21:40:34 <Ainulindale> Though naming it opimd is a bad thing
Nov 24 21:40:45 <TAsn> pim = Personal information manager or something like that.
Nov 24 21:40:50 <Ainulindale> I'd rather you rebuild it from scratch with TAsn if he's interested
Nov 24 21:40:51 <TAsn> and that's exactly what it does.
Nov 24 21:40:59 <Ainulindale> TAsn: contacts/names?
Nov 24 21:41:02 <TAsn> Ainulindale, what do you want to be changed.
Nov 24 21:41:11 <Ainulindale> Language and toolkit mainly :-)
Nov 24 21:41:31 <Ainulindale> For resident programs, I won't do python
Nov 24 21:41:37 <Ainulindale> Even though mickeyl|ezx will hate me for that
Nov 24 21:41:39 <TAsn> Ainulindale, it doesn't yet get back the contact names from the sim (because that sucks) and opimd doesn't really exist.
Nov 24 21:41:47 <TAsn> Ainulindale, python == fast dev
Nov 24 21:41:51 <Ainulindale> TAsn: I know it doesn't exist
Nov 24 21:41:55 <Ainulindale> TAsn: libframeworkd-glib = fast dev too
Nov 24 21:41:58 <TAsn> I really think we should get everything working first
Nov 24 21:42:00 <Ainulindale> Especially for this kind of "dumb" thing :-)
Nov 24 21:42:10 <TAsn> and only then polish / rewrite
Nov 24 21:42:20 <Ainulindale> Do as you wish as long as the backend alimentation is in C
Nov 24 21:42:24 <Ainulindale> As is ophonekitd
Nov 24 21:42:40 <Ainulindale> I don't care about the non resident in memory software
Nov 24 21:42:47 <Ainulindale> (settings is in python)
Nov 24 21:42:48 <ptitjes> quickdev: git pull says i'm up to date. I thought you were about to commit big changes ??
Nov 24 21:43:28 <quickdev> ptitjes, atm I'm fixing and fixing and fixing the bugs I introduced through the revamp
Nov 24 21:43:33 <Ainulindale> Hahaha
Nov 24 21:43:34 <ptitjes> ;à
Nov 24 21:43:36 <ptitjes> :)
Nov 24 21:43:51 <ptitjes> no stress I'll wait
Nov 24 21:44:03 <TAsn> ptitjes, sec im still upping the stupid screenie ;]
Nov 24 21:44:20 <Ainulindale> TAsn: Do you see my point by the way?
Nov 24 21:44:24 <quickdev> ptitjes, could you wait one day more? I don't want to give you things that aren't ready
Nov 24 21:44:32 <ptitjes> yeah guys I'm really cool tonight!!
Nov 24 21:44:32 <ptitjes> :)
Nov 24 21:45:05 <ptitjes> quickdev: no probs - even though I'll be less available these next days...
Nov 24 21:45:36 <ptitjes> could you just tell me what part of the current code won't change - so that I can begin to study the APIs and implementations ?
Nov 24 21:45:59 <ptitjes> s/part/pparts/
Nov 24 21:46:01 <quickdev> ptitjes, you can study ophonekitd
Nov 24 21:46:05 <Ainulindale> Damn, I should eat
Nov 24 21:46:06 <quickdev> that part won't change :)
Nov 24 21:46:07 <ptitjes> s/pparts/parts/ pfff
Nov 24 21:46:13 <ptitjes> great
Nov 24 21:46:19 <TAsn> Ainulindale, which of them?
Nov 24 21:46:24 <TAsn> ptitjes, watch the wiki link.
Nov 24 21:47:08 <Ainulindale> TAsn: what?
Nov 24 21:47:26 <TAsn> the one about backend stuff written in compiled languages
Nov 24 21:47:33 <Ainulindale> Ah
Nov 24 21:47:35 <ptitjes> nice :)
Nov 24 21:47:42 <Ainulindale> TAsn: my point was
Nov 24 21:47:45 <TAsn> or the one about using libframework?
Nov 24 21:47:51 <Ainulindale> I want all the resident in memory software to be in C
Nov 24 21:47:55 <Ainulindale> No matter what it costs
Nov 24 21:48:10 <lindi-> ada, ada, ada :)
Nov 24 21:48:20 <TAsn> ptitjes, yeah, it even incorporates libmokoui == finger scrolling, which rules ;] 
Nov 24 21:48:27 <Ainulindale> Saying C is a pain and python is faster for the developer is merely an excuse to me
Nov 24 21:48:31 <TAsn> actually, it started as a quick hack for me to have a phone log.
Nov 24 21:48:45 <TAsn> Ainulindale, you are beyond any doubts right.
Nov 24 21:48:55 <Ainulindale> I'm not right, in any kind of way
Nov 24 21:48:58 <Ainulindale> It's my opinion
Nov 24 21:49:00 <TAsn> BUT
Nov 24 21:49:03 <Ainulindale> I think it's worth the pain
Nov 24 21:49:07 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: Doesn't efl includes finger scrolling by default ?
Nov 24 21:49:16 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: Do you really think I'm the UI guy?
Nov 24 21:49:21 <TAsn> and I SAY BUT
Nov 24 21:49:32 <Ainulindale> TAsn: And this is a big "but"
Nov 24 21:49:39 <TAsn> because I really think having a working phone
Nov 24 21:49:40 <Ainulindale> (as John Cleese would say)
Nov 24 21:49:49 <TAsn> comes before having clean code.
Nov 24 21:49:51 <quickdev> ptitjes, it does, yes.
Nov 24 21:50:00 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: brrrrrrrrrrr you could know anyway
Nov 24 21:50:05 <ptitjes> thx quickdev
Nov 24 21:50:10 <TAsn> I.e, I prefer a working phone with everything
Nov 24 21:50:13 <Ainulindale> TAsn: I agree, but I don't think developing in C is that much difficult
Nov 24 21:50:22 <Ainulindale> That's my opinion
Nov 24 21:50:40 <TAsn> Ainulindale, it's not difficult
Nov 24 21:50:45 <Ainulindale> I feel as comfortable with C as I feel with python
Nov 24 21:50:51 <Ainulindale> And I don't feel I'm that slow with C
Nov 24 21:50:52 <TAsn> ffs i learned python a month ago just for moko use ;]
Nov 24 21:50:57 <Ainulindale> Look at what quickdev did with lfp-efl
Nov 24 21:51:08 <TAsn> and I program in c for years now.
Nov 24 21:51:14 <ptitjes> TAsn: I think having dirty codes always lead to dirty code
Nov 24 21:51:19 <TAsn> though still, python is fast. ;]
Nov 24 21:51:28 <TAsn> ptitjes, not quite.
Nov 24 21:51:34 <Ainulindale> Fast isn't a good thing for quality, IMHO
Nov 24 21:51:37 <lindi-> with C i just worry about security
Nov 24 21:51:54 <TAsn> I mean, I try not to write dirty code, even with python (or atleast when not tried)
Nov 24 21:51:57 <TAsn> tired*
Nov 24 21:52:00 <ptitjes> lindi-: there I'm lost
Nov 24 21:52:11 <TAsn> most of the moko apps rely on IPC
Nov 24 21:52:20 <TAsn> and if you write concrete API
Nov 24 21:52:25 <lindi-> ptitjes: it's bit tedious to do memory management yourself if you need complex data structures
Nov 24 21:52:30 <Ainulindale> Could someone try latest image?
Nov 24 21:52:43 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: okay
Nov 24 21:52:45 <TAsn> replacing the daemons isn't that hard.
Nov 24 21:52:50 <Ainulindale> Hmpf
Nov 24 21:52:51 <TAsn> s/replacing/rewriting/
Nov 24 21:52:54 <Ainulindale> I'm afraid locales aren't there
Nov 24 21:52:59 <Ainulindale> This is soooo killing me
Nov 24 21:53:20 <TAsn> lindi-, finally someone that understands my reasoning ;]
Nov 24 21:53:37 <TAsn> Ainulindale, you know what? I will rewrite it when I'll have the time. ;]
Nov 24 21:53:47 <lindi-> TAsn: but i'd prefer frameworkd to use different processes
Nov 24 21:53:53 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: wait a minute
Nov 24 21:53:56 <TAsn> lindi-, AYE!
Nov 24 21:54:03 <dolf1074> okay
Nov 24 21:54:07 <lindi-> now i just disable everything extra
Nov 24 21:54:09 <ptitjes> TAsn: I'm allright with python and the fact that dbus enables the easy replacement of implementations
Nov 24 21:54:16 <TAsn> that's not a matter of preference, it's a must.
Nov 24 21:54:36 <TAsn> ptitjes, cool ;]
Nov 24 21:54:39 <ptitjes> And I've got nothing against you app (which might be well coded BTW)
Nov 24 21:54:48 <lindi-> TAsn: for example i'd like to stop/start oeventsd to test new rules.yaml files
Nov 24 21:54:50 <TAsn> ptitjes, btw, did you install it?
Nov 24 21:54:55 <lindi-> TAsn: without having to re-register to GSM network
Nov 24 21:55:06 <TAsn> lindi-, I know what you mean.
Nov 24 21:55:11 <ptitjes> This is just that I had a long way against people programming PHP years ago and doing bad bad bad things and bad bad code
Nov 24 21:55:13 <TAsn> believe me, I'm with you about that.
Nov 24 21:55:15 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: I'm regenerating them with the locales hardwired as it bugs me as hell
Nov 24 21:55:27 <dolf1074> okay
Nov 24 21:55:44 <dolf1074> Is there already an easy way to change the dict off the keyboard?
Nov 24 21:55:58 <Ainulindale> lindi-: you can test that by modifying the main quite easily
Nov 24 21:56:11 <TAsn> ptitjes, I will say that again, I really do think we need to get the essentials written already.
Nov 24 21:56:22 <TAsn> I mean it's not reasonable to have a phone without a phonelog.
Nov 24 21:56:31 <TAsn> btw, that's why I wrote siglaunchd
Nov 24 21:56:53 <TAsn> it can do a lot to fill in the gaps missing.
Nov 24 21:57:01 <ptitjes> TAsn: we agree about the phone log
Nov 24 21:57:03 <Ainulindale> TAsn: I agree with you on that
Nov 24 21:57:14 <TAsn> it can easily launch a popup/app on incoming messages, etc etc...
Nov 24 21:57:15 <ptitjes> but I prefer things come slowly than having to rewrite things
Nov 24 21:57:20 <Ainulindale> TAsn: This doesn't change the fact that I think that a phonelog is easy to feed in C
Nov 24 21:57:27 <TAsn> ptitjes, you don't have to rewrite things, but I do ;]
Nov 24 21:57:35 <Ainulindale> TAsn: For any kind of thing non resident in memory I don't care about C, Python, or Brainfuck for that matter
Nov 24 21:57:37 <ptitjes> write them in python and rewrite them in vala, or C after is stupid for me
Nov 24 21:57:42 <Ainulindale> I just think that resident things should be done in C
Nov 24 21:57:50 <ptitjes> a good programmer is a lazy one
Nov 24 21:58:01 <TAsn> Ainulindale, and again, I AGREE.
Nov 24 21:58:07 <TAsn> ptitjes, I also agree with you.
Nov 24 21:58:09 <ptitjes> that is what I learnt from my studies
Nov 24 21:58:13 <TAsn> but to tell you the truth.
Nov 24 21:58:14 <lindi-> i am not sure if C is good there
Nov 24 21:58:22 <Ainulindale> TAsn: Just trying to tell you I don't criticize your choices or abilities :-)
Nov 24 21:58:32 <TAsn> My programmer side isn't the one who wrote the phonelog
Nov 24 21:58:37 <TAsn> but the phone addict ;]
Nov 24 21:58:49 <Ainulindale> TAsn: that's why I told ptitjes to try and do that stuff
Nov 24 21:58:54 <Ainulindale> I'm happy something exists already
Nov 24 21:58:57 <Ainulindale> This means less work
Nov 24 21:59:26 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I'm glad you think this way, because I'm putting my dev efforts on getting stuff done.
Nov 24 21:59:39 <Ainulindale> TAsn: I have no problem whatsoever with that
Nov 24 21:59:42 <Ainulindale> That's a good thing, of course
Nov 24 21:59:43 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: could you add pyphonelog to the image anyway - as a temporary complement ?
Nov 24 21:59:58 <Ainulindale> Not now
Nov 24 22:00:00 <Ainulindale> Too tired for that
Nov 24 22:00:05 <TAsn> Ainulindale, hehe ;]
Nov 24 22:00:07 <Ainulindale> And I need a bb recipe
Nov 24 22:00:15 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: YES now and quicker!!!
Nov 24 22:00:17 <ptitjes> :)
Nov 24 22:00:21 <TAsn> ptitjes, try out siglaunchd
Nov 24 22:00:28 <Ainulindale> And this would have to be included in the dialer
Nov 24 22:00:32 <Ainulindale> (that's why C is necessary)
Nov 24 22:00:33 <ptitjes> what is it ?
Nov 24 22:00:45 <TAsn> wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Siglaunchd
Nov 24 22:00:52 <TAsn> I should really find a better name for this one.
Nov 24 22:00:54 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: "as a temporary complement"
Nov 24 22:01:11 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: this doesn't change the fact that it would need to be included in the dialer anyway in the end
Nov 24 22:01:27 <TAsn> Ainulindale, it's also a daemon so you can probably connect to it from the dialer anyway
Nov 24 22:01:34 <ptitjes> yeah! aggreed
Nov 24 22:01:37 <TAsn> which is also half the way through.
Nov 24 22:01:40 <quickdev> Ainulindale, btw...the paroli coder was here today. mirko-paroli was his nick name. ;)
Nov 24 22:01:47 <Ainulindale> TAsn: what's the use of siglaunchd?
Nov 24 22:01:53 <Ainulindale> quickdev: yes?
Nov 24 22:02:12 <Ainulindale> TAsn: (just saying that because there's dbustriggers in frameworkd)
Nov 24 22:02:32 <TAsn> Ainulindale, what's that?
Nov 24 22:02:40 <Ainulindale> It wait for dbus signals
Nov 24 22:02:41 <Ainulindale> +s
Nov 24 22:02:54 <TAsn> anyhow, siglaunchd isn't restricted to the framework...
Nov 24 22:02:55 <Ainulindale> And does a thing accordingly
Nov 24 22:03:13 <Ainulindale> (for instance call a dbus method or suspend or whatever)à
Nov 24 22:03:15 <TAsn> does it try to match arguments?
Nov 24 22:03:23 <TAsn> and can you give me a link ?
Nov 24 22:03:24 <Ainulindale> I think it does yes
Nov 24 22:03:28 <Ainulindale> Well it's in frameworkd
Nov 24 22:03:31 <Ainulindale> So have a look at git
Nov 24 22:03:34 <ptitjes>  TAsn: Siglaunchd... why not using oevents rule with the Command() function ?
Nov 24 22:03:34 <TAsn> I want to read more about it.
Nov 24 22:03:35 <TAsn> cool.
Nov 24 22:03:56 <TAsn> I didn't even know it existed.
Nov 24 22:04:01 <TAsn> though anyhow
Nov 24 22:04:03 <Ainulindale> TAsn: though I think siglaunchd may go a bit more further than frameworkd on the argument matching part
Nov 24 22:04:05 <TAsn> it's a userspace app
Nov 24 22:04:20 <TAsn> it's not supposed to be run as root
Nov 24 22:04:27 <ptitjes> See in the rules.yaml file I think there is already an example of the Command() command
Nov 24 22:04:57 <TAsn> when privileges start to take place in the moko. ;]
Nov 24 22:05:10 <TAsn> ptitjes, as I said, framework is a system process
Nov 24 22:05:20 <TAsn> this is a userspace process.
Nov 24 22:05:24 <TAsn> two different things.
Nov 24 22:05:38 <ptitjes> Command('su user -c ....')
Nov 24 22:05:55 <TAsn> ptitjes, don't tell me you actually consider doing that.
Nov 24 22:06:03 <Ainulindale> TAsn: He's a bit mad
Nov 24 22:06:07 <ptitjes> but anyway oeventsd should be in the userspace
Nov 24 22:06:08 <Ainulindale> And he has a beard
Nov 24 22:06:12 <Ainulindale> That's a sign of acute insanity
Nov 24 22:06:16 <TAsn> hehe.
Nov 24 22:06:25 <ptitjes> arf arf
Nov 24 22:06:32 <TAsn> I also have a sign of insanity
Nov 24 22:06:40 <Ainulindale> You use debian?
Nov 24 22:06:51 <TAsn> worst
Nov 24 22:06:53 <TAsn> my ringtone is the free software song - metal version
Nov 24 22:06:59 <Ainulindale> Sheesh
Nov 24 22:06:59 <ptitjes> TAsn: and Ainulindale does have a beard too so...
Nov 24 22:07:08 <TAsn> I shave every day. ;]
Nov 24 22:07:24 <ptitjes> there is a free software sonf and no one told me ????
Nov 24 22:07:26 <TAsn> actually once a week, I like looking a bit rough ;]
Nov 24 22:07:33 <TAsn> ptitjes, sec.
Nov 24 22:07:49 <TAsn> grr
Nov 24 22:07:54 <TAsn> just google for it
Nov 24 22:08:01 <TAsn> I don't remember the link
Nov 24 22:08:08 <TAsn> and watch the stallman version in youtube ;]
Nov 24 22:09:06 <ptitjes> oh please stallman don't try a carrier in the show business!!!!!
Nov 24 22:09:15 <TAsn> anyhow, both Ainulindale and ptitjes you are more than welcomed to write in the discussion sections in the wiki any suggestions (i.e rewrite in c) you have, and I may write them tomorrow ;]
Nov 24 22:09:22 <TAsn> ptitjes, haha you watched it?
Nov 24 22:09:41 <ptitjes> listening
Nov 24 22:09:54 <ptitjes> haaaaa stop it now
Nov 24 22:10:17 <ptitjes> okay guys i'm sorry but...
Nov 24 22:10:31 <ptitjes> I won't never never again...
Nov 24 22:10:37 <ptitjes> program free software!!!
Nov 24 22:10:39 <ptitjes> ;)
Nov 24 22:10:44 <TAsn> did you listen to the metal version?
Nov 24 22:10:57 <TAsn> (as I said, that's my ringtone...)
Nov 24 22:11:13 <ptitjes> got a headache after this - don't know if it is a goo thing I listen more
Nov 24 22:11:22 <ptitjes> s/goo/good/
Nov 24 22:11:39 <TAsn> hehe at least print the lyrics and hang them on your fridge. ;]
Nov 24 22:13:10 <TAsn> Ainulindale, someone in the #openmoko chan is saying something about the newest shr, check that out ;]
Nov 24 22:13:16 <TAsn> anyway, night.
Nov 24 22:14:00 <TAsn> ptitjes, "Join us now and share the software; You'll be free, hackers, you'll be free........"
Nov 24 22:14:01 <TAsn> ;]
Nov 24 22:17:06 <Ainulindale> COuld someone try latest and tell me if it works?
Nov 24 22:17:48 <ptitjes> g'night TAsn
Nov 24 22:17:49 <von_fritz> flashing 70%  ;)
Nov 24 22:17:59 <ptitjes> 10% for me ;)
Nov 24 22:21:13 <Ainulindale> Keep the guy on #openmoko in touch please
Nov 24 22:21:21 <Ainulindale> I'm going away for a while
Nov 24 22:22:54 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: Yo! no probs
Nov 24 22:23:21 <ptitjes> hey BTW you could even go to bed! it 23:19!
Nov 24 22:27:21 <von_fritz> error can not creat canvas ??
Nov 24 22:33:06 <ptitjes> von_fritz: enlightenment ?
Nov 24 22:34:10 <quickdev> I'm off
Nov 24 22:34:18 <von_fritz> very funny boot messages :)
Nov 24 22:34:23 <quickdev> got the first functions of my restructured code work
Nov 24 22:34:26 <quickdev> *to
Nov 24 22:35:09 <ptitjes> quickdev: great
Nov 24 22:35:35 <ptitjes> goodnight
Nov 24 22:35:57 <quickdev> ptitjes, we are going to talk, good night then.
Nov 24 22:35:59 <von_fritz> x starts for 2 seconds and then ....console login :( for me not working image
Nov 24 22:36:12 <raster> talk is for whimps
Nov 24 22:36:18 <ptitjes> quickdev: I though you were going to sleep
Nov 24 22:36:20 <ptitjes> I'm not
Nov 24 22:36:24 <raster> real men... err.. do something else
Nov 24 22:36:25 <raster> :)
Nov 24 22:36:32 <ptitjes> oh yes he did
Nov 24 22:36:33 <ptitjes> :)
Nov 24 22:37:16 <ptitjes> raster: please could you elaborate ??
Nov 24 22:37:18 <ptitjes> ;)
Nov 24 22:37:28 <raster> :-P
Nov 24 22:37:38 * sicu covers his ears
Nov 24 22:38:24 <Ainulindale> von_fritz: Huh?
Nov 24 22:38:26 <sicu> ptitjes: that free software song was terrible :/
Nov 24 22:39:36 <lindi-> after "git checkout" "git status" says i am not on any branch: http://rafb.net/p/GFHdet50.html -- any idea what i am missing here?
Nov 24 22:40:08 <lindi-> isn't git checkout supposed to switch to the branch?
Nov 24 22:40:20 <Ainulindale> Well, I'm tired with the bugging stuff. I'm regenerating the image from scratch. Wiping out tmp.
Nov 24 22:40:43 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: we should really remove exquisite!!
Nov 24 22:40:50 <Ainulindale> Why?
Nov 24 22:41:26 <ptitjes> too many errors!
Nov 24 22:41:39 <Ainulindale> ?
Nov 24 22:41:46 <Ainulindale> Exquisite isn't the one causing errors.
Nov 24 22:41:57 <ptitjes> no but it does errors anyway
Nov 24 22:42:13 <Ainulindale> So what?
Nov 24 22:42:20 <Ainulindale> You can remove it locally
Nov 24 22:42:33 <Ainulindale> Ok, 13 tasks on 6000
Nov 24 22:42:40 <Ainulindale> We'll see tomorrow the results hopefully
Nov 24 22:44:01 <ptitjes> is dropbear launched through Xsession ?
Nov 24 22:44:24 <ptitjes> can't ssh before X is up ?
Nov 24 22:44:34 <cjb> ptitjes: no
Nov 24 22:44:47 <cjb> sshd starts about the same time as X, but they're different initscripts
Nov 24 22:45:03 <ptitjes> but I can't log
Nov 24 22:45:25 <ptitjes> s/log/connect/
Nov 24 22:47:02 <ptitjes> ok... flashing 20081123 again
Nov 24 22:53:05 <Hire> mmm
Nov 24 22:55:31 <von_fritz> tried to start x from ssh, but http://rafb.net/p/tuIMxp46.html
Nov 24 23:04:25 <cjb> are there any downloadable FSOm4 distributions yet?
Nov 24 23:04:41 <cjb> (since the openmoko-hosted one is still gone)
Nov 24 23:07:23 <Ainulindale> von_fritz: Don't bother with it, just reflash the 23rd one
Nov 24 23:07:31 <Ainulindale> I wiped out tmp and will regenerate images
Nov 24 23:07:38 <Ainulindale> This will take a while though
Nov 24 23:07:48 <Ainulindale> But I think the whole tree is borked beyond any measure
Nov 24 23:09:23 <von_fritz> ok
Nov 24 23:09:38 <Ainulindale> Sorry for that, I tried everything, and it didn't work properly
Nov 24 23:11:00 <von_fritz> d'nto worry, be hap ... ;)
Nov 24 23:11:38 * Ainulindale whistles in choir
Nov 24 23:12:46 * ptitjes finds this channel very enjoyed tonight
Nov 24 23:13:11 * Hire is sad
Nov 24 23:13:15 <Hire> i am always sad :(
Nov 24 23:13:42 <ptitjes> booh
Nov 24 23:14:22 <Ainulindale> NOTE: Running task 266 of 5928 (ID: 2818, /home/shr/shr-testing/openembedded/packages/gcc/gcc-native_3.4.6.bb, do_rm_work)
Nov 24 23:14:29 <Ainulindale> This will be long
Nov 24 23:16:30 <Hire> ccache :)
Nov 24 23:17:14 <sicu> Ainulindale: since you think the whole tree is borked beyond measure, is it likely that a regeneration from scratch will solve the issues? or is it a tired shot in the dark ?
Nov 24 23:17:57 <Ainulindale> Yep
Nov 24 23:18:11 <Ainulindale> I don't why but dependencies were generated in a wrong way
Nov 24 23:18:25 <Ainulindale> The fact that I changed back and forth tasks from arch dependent to non dependent isn't helping
Nov 24 23:24:25 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: is a Makefile.ac "PKG_CHECK_MODULES(SQLITE, libsqlite3)" is enough for autotools to get sqlite ?
Nov 24 23:25:11 <Ainulindale> Try it, I don't know the pkg-confign ame
Nov 24 23:25:20 <Ainulindale> s/n a/ na/
Nov 24 23:30:19 <ptitjes> ok this is 'sqlite3'
Nov 24 23:30:43 <ptitjes> nevertheless I must setup a dev env
Nov 24 23:30:54 <ptitjes> do you know what setup quickdev uses ?
Nov 24 23:35:32 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: what dev setup do you use ? I already have a crossdev toolchain for armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi
Nov 24 23:37:35 <ptitjes> but I'm not sure whether I should proceed to get frameworkd-glib to build on x86
Nov 24 23:44:32 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: I use bitbake
Nov 24 23:44:49 <Ainulindale> and bitbake -c devshell
Nov 24 23:45:02 <Ainulindale> (which opens a term with the path set)
Nov 24 23:45:08 <Ainulindale> (so you can do make and all)
Nov 24 23:45:47 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03wessel 07fso-gpsd * r898d7ae0a41d 10/ (ChangeLog fso-gpsd.c): Fixed a possible race condition
Nov 24 23:46:55 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rdafc2d0bc390 10framework/tests/ (org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.py test.py): 
Nov 24 23:46:55 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: tests: finally start with full test coverage for the FSO API compliance
Nov 24 23:46:55 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: (yes, this is just a small start, but it's now underway)
Nov 24 23:46:55 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r1178441afcb0 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/freescale_neptune/mediator.py: ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetInfo
Nov 24 23:50:06 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r43c7d23d21b4 10/odevice/org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.xml.in: odeviced: catch up with API changes in org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio
Nov 24 23:50:06 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rd34ccf2b6cfe 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
Nov 24 23:50:06 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: otapi: fix mandatory and optional argument names for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetInfo
Nov 24 23:50:06 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: odevice: update docs for org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.*
Nov 24 23:59:53 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r00e4b7670532 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
Nov 25 00:01:32 <alx_> DocScrutinizer, hi again ^^
Nov 25 00:09:00 <alx_> anyone investigated how is SPI configured in GTA02 ?
Nov 25 00:10:19 <Ainulindale> mickeyl|ezx: Interested in any comments about my will to help with opimd by the way
Nov 25 00:13:51 <alx_> ehm...
Nov 25 00:14:03 <alx_> may someone help me in understanding the schematics ?
Nov 25 00:14:37 <ptitjes> alx_: the gta02 schematics ?
Nov 25 00:14:43 <alx_> yes
Nov 25 00:14:48 <ptitjes> alx_: ask what you don't understand ?
Nov 25 00:14:51 <alx_> ok
Nov 25 00:14:54 <alx_> on sheet 7 
Nov 25 00:15:07 <alx_> I was watching the debug connector
Nov 25 00:15:08 <alx_> I read
Nov 25 00:15:14 <alx_> [2,3] SPI_SCLK0
Nov 25 00:15:24 <alx_> what does in means [2,3] ?
Nov 25 00:15:48 <ptitjes> redownloading schems - 2 secs
Nov 25 00:15:53 <alx_> lool
Nov 25 00:16:39 <alx_> I suppose that [2,3] means sheet 2 and sheet 3
Nov 25 00:17:04 <ptitjes> yeah exactly
Nov 25 00:17:17 <alx_> but, if so, 
Nov 25 00:17:19 <ptitjes> this net is referenced in sheet 2 and 3
Nov 25 00:17:40 <ptitjes> you should find the same net on those sheets
Nov 25 00:17:42 <alx_> I want to discover is the SPI interface on the debug connector is free and usable
Nov 25 00:17:45 <alx_> found on 2
Nov 25 00:17:56 <alx_> but printing them doesn't help
Nov 25 00:18:07 <alx_> and I've just a 15.4" monitor
Nov 25 00:18:14 <alx_> and I have eyeglasses
Nov 25 00:18:22 <alx_> I've some difficult in reading it lool
Nov 25 00:19:07 <alx_> may you help me a bit ? :$
Nov 25 00:20:39 <ptitjes> on page 2 the block interface at the top
Nov 25 00:21:43 <ptitjes> SPI_[CLK0|MOSI0|MISO0] are directly connected to the MCU
Nov 25 00:22:30 <alx_> even SPI_SS0
Nov 25 00:22:51 <ptitjes> so you should be able to use the SPI through the debug connector
Nov 25 00:23:21 <ptitjes> yes even though the net is only called 'SS0' on the schems
Nov 25 00:23:22 <alx_> well, I want to connect a device thru SPI
Nov 25 00:23:41 <ptitjes> this seems to be possible then
Nov 25 00:23:41 <alx_> well, SS usually is the Slave Select in SPI bus
Nov 25 00:24:00 <alx_> but because SPI isn't standardized
Nov 25 00:24:04 <alx_> (see wiki)
Nov 25 00:24:18 <alx_> each manufacturer choose its version of SPI
Nov 25 00:24:24 <alx_> so my question was
Nov 25 00:24:34 <alx_> it the SS0
Nov 25 00:24:44 <alx_> if I need the 3 wire SPI or the 4 wire
Nov 25 00:24:48 <alx_> for example
Nov 25 00:24:55 <alx_> the WLAN is 3 wire
Nov 25 00:25:05 <alx_> the accelerometers are 3 wire
Nov 25 00:25:30 <ptitjes> I think you must experiment it on your breadboard to verify
Nov 25 00:25:31 <alx_> so it was quite misunderstanding the 4 wire SPI on the debug connector
Nov 25 00:25:41 <alx_> lol
Nov 25 00:25:42 <alx_> how to ?
Nov 25 00:25:45 <ptitjes> what kind of peripheral do you want to connect BTW ?
Nov 25 00:25:58 <alx_> some sensor
Nov 25 00:26:03 <alx_> temperature
Nov 25 00:26:12 <alx_> impedance
Nov 25 00:26:14 <alx_> voltmeter
Nov 25 00:26:40 <ptitjes> I would make a USB peripheral if I were you
Nov 25 00:26:56 <alx_> I want the USB free
Nov 25 00:26:59 <alx_> to charging
Nov 25 00:27:00 <lindi-> is there some easy way to add usb peripheral inside the case?
Nov 25 00:27:10 <alx_> lindi-, we didn't find
Nov 25 00:27:18 <lindi-> alx_: with Y cable you can charge and talk to usb devices at the same time
Nov 25 00:27:24 <ptitjes> lindi-: I think alx_ wants it outside the case
Nov 25 00:27:35 <alx_> no ptitjes 
Nov 25 00:27:40 <alx_> I want it inside the case
Nov 25 00:27:43 <ptitjes> I was going to say it
Nov 25 00:27:46 <ptitjes> haaa ok
Nov 25 00:27:55 <ptitjes> so go for the debug connector
Nov 25 00:28:06 <alx_> ehm.. lol
Nov 25 00:28:20 <alx_> does anyone know where to buy some of the flat cables
Nov 25 00:28:26 <alx_> shipped with the debug board ?
Nov 25 00:28:27 <ptitjes> anyway you should llok for a project (which I can't recall the name) that uses USB inside the case
Nov 25 00:28:43 <alx_> ptitjes, USB is quite power consuming
Nov 25 00:28:53 <ptitjes> with a bigger separator for the back of the case
Nov 25 00:29:01 <alx_> but if you point me to the right direction
Nov 25 00:29:06 <ptitjes> so go for I2C
Nov 25 00:29:06 <alx_> that would be discussed :)
Nov 25 00:29:13 <alx_> ptitjes, same as SPI ^^
Nov 25 00:29:23 <ptitjes> let me search
Nov 25 00:29:23 <alx_> if I've to go on debug connector 
Nov 25 00:29:31 <alx_> I would prefer SPI over i2c
Nov 25 00:29:33 <ptitjes> alx_: no this is more standard
Nov 25 00:29:45 <alx_> SPI is less power consuming and give more bandwidth
Nov 25 00:29:59 <quatrox> alx_: I think the flex cables are hard to get. I remember reading on the mailing list that OM had very much problems with them
Nov 25 00:31:05 <quatrox> the company that made them, had huge problems to make the connectors fit
Nov 25 00:31:50 <quatrox> But I think you can just solder on the test points in stead:)
Nov 25 00:32:21 <alx_> I'm scared about solder on the moko
Nov 25 00:32:23 <alx_> for test
Nov 25 00:32:28 <alx_> I've just two moko
Nov 25 00:32:32 <alx_> and one debug board
Nov 25 00:32:50 <quatrox> then solder on the debug board:)
Nov 25 00:33:22 <ptitjes> alx_: got it!! http://openmokast.org/
Nov 25 00:33:53 <ptitjes> alx_: wow you've JUST two moko!! ;)
Nov 25 00:34:41 <ptitjes> they use the USB test points
Nov 25 00:35:23 <alx_> ptitjes, two moko and a debug board
Nov 25 00:35:45 <ptitjes> grrrrrrr
Nov 25 00:35:53 <alx_> why ?
Nov 25 00:36:16 <ptitjes> hey! you got two! I've got one :)
Nov 25 00:36:44 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: thanks! "bitbake devshell" seems to work for me
Nov 25 00:38:36 <alx_> well, I had them almost 2 months before the commercial start
Nov 25 00:38:40 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r42c560495a7a 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: improve result for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetFeatures()
Nov 25 00:38:40 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r251269341099 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/freescale_neptune/ (mediator.py modem.py): ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] create the MiscChannel on /dev/mux6 for now
Nov 25 00:38:40 <alx_> those are beta
Nov 25 00:38:41 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rd2cc665ea0fb 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.py: tests: org.freesmartphone.GSM.GetFeatures() done
Nov 25 00:41:54 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: woops -- ERROR: Unable to match libframeworkd-glib (2 matches found)
Nov 25 00:42:52 <ptitjes> one from oe and one from shr-overlay...
Nov 25 00:43:38 <alx_> nice openmokast ^^
Nov 25 00:43:50 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: forget it...
Nov 25 00:48:47 <ptitjes> alx_: nice project yes!! :)
Nov 25 00:49:04 <alx_> ok
Nov 25 00:49:26 <alx_> well, we'll discuss the USB again 
Nov 25 00:49:28 <alx_> in the manwhile
Nov 25 00:49:37 <alx_> I'd surf searching
Nov 25 00:49:42 <alx_> for that famous flat cable ^^
Nov 25 00:49:48 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r2cf0eec4c9c4 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.py: tests: org.freesmartphone.GSM.[Get|Set]AntennaPower done
Nov 25 00:49:56 <alx_> (and the connector) ^^
Nov 25 00:50:03 <CIA-21> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8efae2ed1ae9 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
Nov 25 00:50:46 <ptitjes> time to sleep ! bye!
Nov 25 00:51:06 <alx_> bye ptitjes 
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