**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 25 02:59:57 2008 Nov 25 05:25:41 Hey Nov 25 06:18:07 quickdev: hey, how is the window revamping going? Nov 25 06:18:41 mrmoku_, 80% is done Nov 25 06:19:02 things are now much more flexible Nov 25 06:19:23 fine :) Nov 25 06:19:51 I was looking for some elementary documentation yesterday... Just found the sourcecode Nov 25 06:20:01 Is there something else you are aware of? Nov 25 06:20:02 mrmoku_, it's very easy to use it Nov 25 06:20:27 just look at the sources of the test application of elementary, that's enough documenation :) Nov 25 06:20:43 or your stuff :) Nov 25 06:21:11 quickdev: Is somebody doing something on the mediaplayer front? Nov 25 06:21:52 mrmoku_, not that I know of. Someone mentioned to use pythm. It seems not bad, but I haven't tested it yet. Nov 25 06:22:16 hey Sup3 Nov 25 06:22:31 *Sup3rkiddo Nov 25 06:22:50 Yep, saw that on the ML. And installed it :) works a lot better than starling (which for me crashed always before finishing even one song) Nov 25 06:22:51 quickdev, ola.... Nov 25 06:22:55 too early to type properly :) Nov 25 06:23:11 mrmoku_, how did you install it? Are there packages anywhere? :) Nov 25 06:23:20 from opkg.org Nov 25 06:24:06 the nice thing is, it has mpd support to control my home stereo :) Nov 25 06:24:45 but the interface could be better Nov 25 06:24:50 great :) Nov 25 06:24:55 I'll test it in a few seconds Nov 25 06:24:59 :) Nov 25 06:27:40 mrmoku_, did you have to install mplayer? Nov 25 06:27:41 or mpd? Nov 25 06:28:32 yep, both Nov 25 06:28:52 where did you get them from? :) Nov 25 06:28:57 I use mplayer backend to use the moko as media player and mpd to controll my server Nov 25 06:29:12 bitbaked it myself IIRC Nov 25 06:30:02 hmm, think I don't remember correctly... Nov 25 06:30:12 can't find it in my shr-testing/tmp Nov 25 06:32:47 mrmoku_, but it does not use pulseaudio, right? Nov 25 06:32:57 quickdev: no, no pulseaudio Nov 25 06:33:06 fine Nov 25 06:33:12 bitbaking.. Nov 25 06:37:39 mrmoku_, it's downloadable through SHR's repository Nov 25 06:37:44 (mplayer) Nov 25 06:37:54 :) Nov 25 06:40:31 mrmoku_, mpd is a requirement, right? Nov 25 06:40:58 quickdev: don't think so... Nov 25 06:41:12 mrmoku_, is there a backend "mplayer" for you? Nov 25 06:41:45 I reinstalled SHR yesterday and did not yet restore pythm... But I had both backends Nov 25 06:41:57 You have to enable it in the tab on the right Nov 25 06:42:11 mrmoku_, I only see the mpd backend there.# Nov 25 06:42:19 yep, have to scroll :) Nov 25 06:42:31 ah, damn! Nov 25 06:42:34 :) Nov 25 06:42:55 maybe the GTK config could be tweaked a little in SHR ;) Nov 25 06:44:51 * mrmoku_ has to bring the little kid to the Kindergarten Nov 25 06:45:49 quickdev: see you later Nov 25 06:46:05 mrmoku_, see you Nov 25 06:47:40 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r2abcb8d24aff 10/fsod/ (src/subsystems/Device/input/input-helpers.c vapi/fsod.vapi): Nov 25 06:47:40 freesmartphone.org: frameworkd.odeviced.input catch up: Change g_object_add_seconds to g_object_add for accuracy Nov 25 06:47:40 freesmartphone.org: sync vapi Nov 25 06:48:47 wtf @ topic..:O Nov 25 06:50:29 yeah..eheh Nov 25 06:51:02 more like lol Nov 25 07:56:55 Small penis? Nov 25 07:57:20 thats... thats just ... Nov 25 07:57:39 bad ainulindale baaad Nov 25 08:11:30 lol^^ Nov 25 09:20:47 hellooo! Nov 25 09:41:26 Ainulindale: hello Nov 25 09:42:58 I should build all the prerequisites with bitbake to have them found by autotools in devshell, shouldn't I ? Nov 25 09:46:33 Yes Nov 25 09:52:02 BTW I noticed that when you reduce the illume's topshelf size then the clock, battery and gsm gadgets overlaps a bit one on another Nov 25 09:52:20 We must find someone that is good with edje themes! Nov 25 09:54:04 mrmoku? Nov 25 09:54:24 G'morning Nov 25 09:54:28 Hey methril Nov 25 09:54:50 how are you doing? Nov 25 09:55:13 Ainulindale: I've a question about a env to work Nov 25 09:55:20 Yes? Nov 25 09:55:28 did you build the images everytime you need to work with frameworkd? Nov 25 09:55:36 or how you setup that env? Nov 25 09:55:45 Yeah, I mainly build images Nov 25 09:55:51 Though once they're built Nov 25 09:55:54 You just have to rebuild frameworkd Nov 25 09:56:01 uf!! it takes a while... Nov 25 09:56:01 And make a feed of your packages Nov 25 09:56:13 It takes a while but it's necessary to work locally Nov 25 09:56:17 oh! yes, only bitbake -c rebuild frameworkd Nov 25 09:56:34 bitbake frameworkd is enough Nov 25 09:56:40 as it'll get the latest version from stab eahc time Nov 25 09:56:43 s/hc/ch/ Nov 25 09:56:54 i'd like to work with an NFS system , and recompile only the needed packages Nov 25 09:57:08 oh! ok Nov 25 09:57:20 i though that you have to rebuild the entire image Nov 25 09:57:52 i manage to build some images, but each modification, or update, give me other image?? so many time building images :D Nov 25 09:58:12 than you Ainulindale Nov 25 09:58:20 NFS? Nov 25 09:58:22 You're going too far Nov 25 09:58:30 why? Nov 25 09:58:34 Just put your tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk directory somewhere http accessible Nov 25 09:58:41 And put the URL in your opkg feeds Nov 25 09:58:49 no, i'm developing for other hw, Nov 25 09:58:53 Oh Nov 25 09:58:58 and before to save the jffs2 image Nov 25 09:59:07 And if you want to reduce the time to generate the image Nov 25 09:59:09 i'd like to have all the "basic" hw working :D Nov 25 09:59:19 put an empty do_testlab() procedure in your image definition Nov 25 09:59:43 uh!! nice tip Nov 25 09:59:44 You could also comment out some generation Nov 25 09:59:48 (tgz, etc) Nov 25 09:59:54 it's like PREFERD_IMAGE += "testlab" ? Nov 25 10:00:09 no Nov 25 10:00:30 http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=openembedded/packages/images/shr-image.inc;h=2abb4570b77fff94399b98463cbdc40518279fd1;hb=HEAD Nov 25 10:00:35 See at the end Nov 25 10:00:38 Commented out Nov 25 10:00:47 Hence it's generating the testlab directory Nov 25 10:03:02 thanks Nov 25 10:03:08 i'll try Nov 25 10:03:23 a litle bit offtopic here Nov 25 10:03:38 do you know some open position in Europe? Really interesting? Nov 25 10:05:17 Errr Nov 25 10:05:20 In my company yes Nov 25 10:05:28 (IT Security) Nov 25 10:06:14 i'd like embedded one Nov 25 10:06:15 :D Nov 25 10:06:47 PM Nov 25 10:22:23 Hey pb_ o/ Nov 25 10:27:42 Ainulindale: prefered location for the phonelog database ? Nov 25 10:29:12 No idea, as you like Nov 25 10:32:52 /var/log/phonelog.db Nov 25 10:33:07 Will do, ptitjes Nov 25 10:41:30 Ainulindale: do you prefer I open a brach for the phonelog stuff ? Nov 25 10:42:24 You won't be able to Nov 25 10:42:27 But no Nov 25 10:43:32 Ainulindale? Nov 25 10:43:50 mrmoku: check your mails Nov 25 10:43:52 I posted on shr-devel Nov 25 10:43:56 You might be interested in that Nov 25 10:43:59 (fastboot stuff) Nov 25 10:45:16 Ainulindale: yep, will have a look Nov 25 10:50:08 Ainulindale: by the way, ophonekitd is crashing for me Nov 25 10:50:18 is this something to expect from yesterdays image? Nov 25 10:50:28 I wiped out yesterday image Nov 25 10:50:37 Buildhost was failing with some thing I don't know about Nov 25 10:50:43 I was bored and tired by all of that Nov 25 10:50:48 Currently recompiling everything Nov 25 10:51:15 ok, so I will be patient Nov 25 10:51:28 It might be also me using a stable-tracking kernel though... Nov 25 10:52:49 * mrmoku is going to pickup small child from the Kindergarten Nov 25 11:07:42 i have some strange x/wm/illume problems with SHR on gta01. Illume is only partially rendered when the slider is drawn and when i rotate the screen it does in fact not rotate but enlightenment somehow rearranges its geometry (hit in empty area in the launcher causes random app to launch). Strangely all other apps still have the right geometry and are useabel but not rotated. Nov 25 11:08:04 no upgrades available in the feed Nov 25 11:08:10 should i open a ticket? Nov 25 11:50:40 DPThought: wait for latest first Nov 25 12:05:27 Ainulindale: where can I get the source of frameworkd-glib? (and is this made by FSO?) Nov 25 12:08:42 or the docs Nov 25 12:08:45 Comming back tonigh at 1h AM Nov 25 12:08:52 going to work Nov 25 12:09:04 see you all Nov 25 12:09:20 dolf1074: I'm the maintainer, it's on freesmartphone.org Nov 25 12:09:36 dolf1074: and there's no docs so to speak, it's quite straightforward Nov 25 12:10:01 I though so, but I couldn't find the source in the bitbake. Nov 25 12:11:18 Ainulindale: Is there a date/time or timestamp object in glib ? Nov 25 12:12:15 I suppose there is Nov 25 12:12:52 ok. I assumed you would know. bye anyway Nov 25 12:12:58 see you tonight Nov 25 12:18:57 Ainulindale: that means there is a update to come out soon? Nov 25 12:21:38 Yep, as soon as the buildhost ends its recompilation Nov 25 12:21:46 I had to wipe out the entire build Nov 25 12:22:02 It's about half-way through now Nov 25 12:22:29 I'd strongly recommend to reflash Nov 25 12:24:00 no problem, opkg upgrates are pretty whacky anyway because of my limited 'disk' space. I have 2.4M free, and opkg does not fail very cracefull at all on full disks :) Nov 25 12:24:58 btw. i would greatly apreciate any tips on what to remove from my installation to gain free space. Stuff like vagalume does not make a big difference Nov 25 12:30:35 Well, it won't be better with the next images Nov 25 12:31:11 The openmoko gtk theme is big, if you want to remove it, for instance Nov 25 12:32:27 the lite image is pretty much borderline usable with gta01. It runs fine, and you can even install some apps (nothing like navit) but running opkg upgrade is pretty much a lottery in this stage already Nov 25 12:33:15 s/stage/state/ Nov 25 12:33:31 I can't really help with that without removing important functionnalities or stuff Nov 25 12:33:49 i had the feeling you wld say that. :) Nov 25 12:34:00 Well Nov 25 12:34:03 Check the lite image Nov 25 12:34:05 Check what's on it Nov 25 12:34:11 There's mostly nothing Nov 25 12:34:45 yup, i could not find anything abvious to let out either Nov 25 12:36:02 If you're interested in working on the lite image, I'm all ears Nov 25 12:36:10 I'll generate the testlabs with the packages size and such Nov 25 12:37:28 would be cool if we could find anything really obvius to optimise. like discarding Nov 25 12:38:04 i guess the python stuff does not make much of the space which would justify compressing it? Nov 25 12:38:34 ups. meant like discarding locales Nov 25 12:39:04 need more coffe... Nov 25 12:39:06 Locales aren't there anyway Nov 25 12:41:31 do you know how much using jffs2 is a necessity? There where some great flash filesystem developments in late linux history. I don't remember details but efficiency was the main issue Nov 25 12:46:04 but other fields may probably still offer more potential benefit from optimisation than the filesystem Nov 25 12:46:28 or i sould just let it go and run it all from SD. Nov 25 13:17:14 Ainulindale: do you want fastboot patches against openembedded or against the shr-overlay? Nov 25 13:21:49 hej guys Nov 25 13:21:52 It'll be against OE Nov 25 13:21:55 Hey mrmoku Nov 25 13:21:56 anyone using the testing image? Nov 25 13:21:57 Grmbl Nov 25 13:21:59 Hey mirko-paroli Nov 25 13:22:02 WHich testing? SHR? Nov 25 13:22:08 the OM testing Nov 25 13:22:11 the daily build Nov 25 13:22:16 No Nov 25 13:22:40 Ainulindale: so it would make sense to integrate it with the raster patches? Nov 25 13:22:53 Look at what I was typing: mrmoku: I'd like a patchset looking Nov 25 13:22:53 shame Nov 25 13:22:55 :) Nov 25 13:22:57 ... like raster patches Nov 25 13:23:14 But I'd like some comments on that stuff Nov 25 13:23:21 i.e. would it be problematic for us? Nov 25 13:23:58 mirko-paroli: why shame? As I work on SHR, it's a logical thing to use it, else I'd be kind of incoherent =) Nov 25 13:32:04 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rec0f5644649a 10framework/tests/ (3 files): tests: start with org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.* Nov 25 13:32:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r106197af4153 10framework/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) Nov 25 13:32:59 freesmartphone.org: odeviced: fix a couple of problems in the Audio problem and support new features Nov 25 13:32:59 freesmartphone.org: such as a loop parameter and an optional length override (time in seconds). Nov 25 13:32:59 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Some codecs (i.e. machine emulators such as siddec) can not find out Nov 25 13:33:01 freesmartphone.org: when a song ends, hence it will play forever until you stop it (or give Nov 25 13:33:03 freesmartphone.org: it a length override, which is now possible). Nov 25 13:33:05 freesmartphone.org: WARNING: API breakage in org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.PlaySound() Nov 25 13:35:02 mirko-paroli: yo mirko! Nov 25 13:35:07 mirko-paroli: how's it oging? Nov 25 13:37:50 mickey|ezx: The echo should be gone in the newest framework? Nov 25 13:38:21 I'm now using the newest SHR and I still got the echo. Do I send you logs of something? Nov 25 13:38:31 echo is in the ear of the beholder Nov 25 13:38:48 seems we need to use the very harsh 0187 :/ Nov 25 13:38:48 haha :-) Nov 25 13:38:53 instead of the softer settings Nov 25 13:39:02 i don't know whether you will like that better Nov 25 13:39:05 *shrug* Nov 25 13:39:12 dolf1074: http://n2.nabble.com/FSO-M4---nice-GSM-sound-td1486414.html#a1518726 Nov 25 13:39:25 It works perfectly for me Nov 25 13:39:26 seems to vary with devices, providers, and location Nov 25 13:39:41 yeah, I know it's a hard one Nov 25 13:40:01 But people keep on complaining to me :( Nov 25 13:40:21 richy, will try Nov 25 13:41:04 hmm, i can't seem to reproduce the gstreamer race condition anymore Nov 25 13:41:11 guess my misc.fixes fixed that as well Nov 25 13:41:17 even better :D Nov 25 13:41:24 Good indeed :-) Nov 25 13:42:12 mickey|ezx: talking about fso by the way, did you manage to talk with abraxa? Nov 25 13:44:40 is there a package for vim? opkg install vim gives me "An error ocurred, return value: -49900." Nov 25 13:44:46 Ainulindale: no :/ Nov 25 13:44:50 he's MIA Nov 25 13:44:57 i'm at a loss Nov 25 13:50:16 mickey|ezx: MIA? Nov 25 13:51:08 Ainulindale : a shame because I was hoping to find someone to test sth ;) Nov 25 13:51:31 Heh. Nov 25 13:51:36 mickey|ezx: hi, not toobad. how are you? Nov 25 13:51:54 Ainulindale: Missing In Action Nov 25 13:51:59 Oh, that :-) Nov 25 13:53:22 mickey|ezx: (just asking that because I'm eager to help with opimd, I can't wait to deploy that on SHR) Nov 25 13:53:23 mirko-paroli: not bad, working on some more unit tests for FSO and EZX support today Nov 25 13:53:37 Ainulindale: i know Nov 25 13:53:43 i guess if he does not show up Nov 25 13:53:51 we need to continue with another plan Nov 25 13:53:58 Plan B, conquer the world? Nov 25 13:54:39 mickey|ezx: Problem is, anyway, I tested opimd a bit and couldn't manage to really use it Nov 25 13:54:48 Though I didn't look that far Nov 25 13:55:34 that's sad Nov 25 13:55:44 charlie said what was already there was quite usable Nov 25 13:55:55 i had no time to look at it Nov 25 13:55:59 Then I'm interested in knowing what is usable :-) Nov 25 13:56:08 Because I tried some basic stuff, and it didn't work Nov 25 13:56:16 Then I may have done that the wrong way Nov 25 13:57:10 Hey Joerg o/ Nov 25 13:57:25 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rf850e8f58d51 10framework/framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py: odeviced: org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.PlaySound: don't crash if extension is missing in filename Nov 25 13:57:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r27decb3697a1 10framework/framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py: odeviced: fix error namespace for org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio Nov 25 13:57:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r36477359ea2c 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.Device.py: odeviced: start with tests for org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio() Nov 25 13:57:43 mickey|ezx: directly commiting on stab? Nov 25 13:58:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rfa7d656bd195 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Nov 25 13:58:39 freesmartphone.org: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' Nov 25 13:58:39 freesmartphone.org: Conflicts: Nov 25 13:58:39 freesmartphone.org: framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py Nov 25 13:59:05 yes Nov 25 13:59:12 stabilization fixes Nov 25 13:59:22 and tests debuting on that branch Nov 25 13:59:44 Ok then, I thought best practices were to commit in master, then merge in stab :-) Nov 25 13:59:49 according to shoragan that's better for the history than cherry picking Nov 25 13:59:59 ya, that was my intuition as well Nov 25 14:00:10 Good to know then Nov 25 14:00:23 but if master diverges too much, merging is not an option any longer Nov 25 14:00:25 or is it? Nov 25 14:00:33 richy: thanks, It works. (only the freerunner has the echo. But now nobody will complain anymore (expect me :) )) Nov 25 14:00:35 *tun tun tun* Nov 25 14:00:45 dolf1074: what did you do? Nov 25 14:00:59 http://n2.nabble.com/FSO-M4---nice-GSM-sound-tp1486414p1518726.html Nov 25 14:01:07 But now the freerunner has the echo!!! Nov 25 14:01:13 not the caller anymore Nov 25 14:01:18 dolf1074: On my freerunner there is no echo anymore Nov 25 14:01:29 It depends on the provider and location Nov 25 14:01:55 ps. the echo isn't that big as it was before on the other side of the line Nov 25 14:02:25 which sets of changes does a 'merge' attempt to merge? Nov 25 14:02:31 just the last commit? Nov 25 14:03:28 (git is great, but it's creating as many problem as it attempts to solve it seems :-) ) Nov 25 14:04:30 hehe Nov 25 14:04:41 i just don't know how to operate it properly Nov 25 14:04:52 like.. when you have a bunch of changes the are not suitable for backport Nov 25 14:04:57 and a bunch of changes the are suitable Nov 25 14:05:01 but you don't know a priori Nov 25 14:05:20 i should probably use a branch for every new feature Nov 25 14:06:54 That's a good idea Nov 25 14:06:57 A branch for every new feature Nov 25 14:07:01 And a ref for every new file Nov 25 14:07:10 And a text file to map the correspondances Nov 25 14:07:14 Meh :-) Nov 25 14:07:17 hahah Nov 25 14:07:28 you make it sound really complicated Nov 25 14:07:34 It is Nov 25 14:07:39 Or I find it so Nov 25 14:07:53 oh man, the neptune is fun Nov 25 14:08:03 it doesn't even report as being able to do GSM Nov 25 14:08:06 * mickey|ezx chuckles Nov 25 14:08:10 Meh :-) Nov 25 14:08:15 "yes, i'm a GSM modem, but i can't do GSM" Nov 25 14:08:18 *sigh* Nov 25 14:08:28 so much for +GCAP Nov 25 14:08:42 Ainulindale: btw. can you drop a line here when the images are ready baked? I'd like to re flash as soon as i can. Nov 25 14:11:20 DPThought: No problem Nov 25 14:11:25 mickey|ezx: heh :-) Nov 25 14:11:35 mickey|ezx: don't cry little one Nov 25 14:11:51 i try to... Nov 25 14:11:59 i hate exceptions Nov 25 14:12:08 i'm mr generic-code-should-solve-it-all Nov 25 14:12:15 but you can't do that w/ GSM Nov 25 14:12:27 *shrug* Nov 25 14:12:33 * mickey|ezx grabs another Roiboos tee Nov 25 14:13:00 mickey|ezx: I'm like that too, I understand that feeling Nov 25 14:13:16 Ainulindale: thx Nov 25 14:16:05 Ainulindale: hey! Nov 25 14:16:51 DocScrutinizer2: Damn users, now they're requesting beer for me :-) Nov 25 14:16:57 As if I didn't drink enough Nov 25 14:17:12 lol Nov 25 14:17:48 Jme heading to the fridge ;-) Nov 25 14:17:58 gosh... unit tests are even more boring than writing docs Nov 25 14:18:00 Beer? Fridge? Nov 25 14:18:04 You're a mad man Nov 25 14:18:12 Beer should be kept at temperature Nov 25 14:18:15 s\J\/\ Nov 25 14:18:19 6-10 ideally Nov 25 14:18:31 Fridge are way too cold and I bet you're keeping them laid down Nov 25 14:18:41 I'm going to hate you for a while Nov 25 14:19:10 DocScrutinizer2: http://www.calaquendi.org/om/etiquettes.jpg Nov 25 14:19:17 That was my former order Nov 25 14:19:24 I'll take pictures of the current one (there's more) Nov 25 14:19:38 * mwester recoils in horror at the thought of improperly chilled beer Nov 25 14:19:50 I bet my neighbours take me for a bum of some sort Nov 25 14:19:59 mwester: cold is good. Chilled bad. Nov 25 14:21:29 * DocScrutinizer2 unscrews cap of Smirnoff, smiling at Ainulindale's comments Nov 25 14:22:03 .... g... g......GAAAAAAAAAH ! Nov 25 14:22:08 Smirnoff.. Nov 25 14:22:15 * Ainulindale goes away to puke for a while Nov 25 14:22:30 enjoy! Nov 25 14:22:43 How can you drink that anyway? :-) Nov 25 14:22:50 It's not even proper beer Nov 25 14:22:59 later I'll try to get some real good stuff Nov 25 14:23:30 Ainulindale: it's proper vodka, well sorta Nov 25 14:23:45 Meh :-) Nov 25 14:25:48 sure I'd prefer some Stolichnaja, or a plain Absolut Nov 25 14:29:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r61dad6c2561b 10/otapi/ (2 files): otapi: document expected values for org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.ListPhoneboks() Nov 25 14:48:25 Damn, ptitjes borked ophonekitd Nov 25 14:49:32 :/ Nov 25 14:49:42 I reverted his commit. Nov 25 14:49:49 Going to spank him, he forgot to add files. Nov 25 14:49:53 And dependencies. Nov 25 14:50:18 Ainulindale: what do you need to opkg remove for the theme changes (battery, gsm) updates to take effect ? Nov 25 14:50:35 opkg remove user Nov 25 14:50:43 Reflash or get the file from git Nov 25 14:50:59 i tried shr-theme and shr-settings, but that didn't change it Nov 25 14:51:02 ah, thx Nov 25 14:51:04 That's normal Nov 25 14:51:11 (Be back in a while) Nov 25 14:51:22 i'll wait for your build from scratch to finish then Nov 25 14:51:29 cya Nov 25 14:52:19 The cli-framwork example on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/cli does not work. Nov 25 14:52:49 # cli-framework; >>> gsmsim.RetrievePhonebook(); ERROR:dbus.connection:Unable to set arguments () according to signature u's': : More items found in D-Bus signature than in Python arguments Nov 25 14:55:09 phobie: you're right Nov 25 14:55:14 phobie: one second Nov 25 14:55:24 you need an argument, like "missed" Nov 25 14:56:01 I found it ou Nov 25 14:56:03 t Nov 25 14:56:03 Try gsmsim.ListPhonebooks() for a list Nov 25 14:56:10 gsmsim.ListPhonebooks() Nov 25 14:56:16 ;) Nov 25 14:56:27 I'll modify the wiki Nov 25 14:56:43 sicu: you can take it from git as told before Nov 25 14:59:05 phobie: great, thanks Nov 25 14:59:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r551321fe0d7f 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (4 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] catch up modem abstraction with current state of affairs, use PDU mode Nov 25 15:03:26 done Nov 25 15:05:18 sicu: http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=tree;f=openembedded/packages/images/shr-image/usr/share/enlightenment/data;h=a45ef4e59dc58eec07b0284e1f002c1ff12c67f8;hb=HEAD Nov 25 15:05:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r9d2b032175c5 10/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Nov 25 15:05:56 freesmartphone.org: * add missing glibc async annotations in org.freesmartphone.Preferences.* Nov 25 15:05:56 freesmartphone.org: * regenerate docs Nov 25 15:07:27 Ainulindale: great! thx Nov 25 15:07:45 sicu: rm -rf ~/.e and you'll be good to reboot and go Nov 25 15:07:50 (restart X in fact) Nov 25 15:24:49 haha finally a project page for siglaunchd ;] Nov 25 15:33:28 hi all! Nov 25 15:33:37 anyone edje-speaking around? Nov 25 15:33:52 hi VladoK Nov 25 15:34:03 depends on the question I guess Nov 25 15:34:05 ;) Nov 25 15:35:59 hi mirko-paroli! :) well - playing with edje a bit more today.. I'd like to find a way how to pass some int/double values from app to edje description - and use that value for some part positions/etc.. Nov 25 15:36:40 I've found using a 'dragable' part - like exquisite does, actually.. Nov 25 15:37:14 you want to position an edje object ? Nov 25 15:37:27 or rather a part Nov 25 15:38:12 .edc-defined part. I did it via swallow yesterday - but that of course makes the app needlessly complicated.. Nov 25 15:38:27 Ok, latest SHR will hit the ground in minutes Nov 25 15:38:38 I'll flash it first, I hope you're jealous Nov 25 15:39:11 i am :P Nov 25 15:39:37 mirko-paroli: I'm missing some generic int/double-setting interface.. I see that I can send a 'message' - but I have no idea how to receive it within my .edc.. Nov 25 15:39:52 Yay, 450 consecutive calls and counting Nov 25 15:40:42 mirko-paroli: and it seems the api is not very well defined.. :( hard to find something useful about this Nov 25 15:40:46 hmm Nov 25 15:41:00 I am pondering if you can define the position dymically Nov 25 15:41:10 I use different states if I want to move a part Nov 25 15:41:27 but that means you have to know the new position when writing the edc Nov 25 15:41:40 right - but I want to move something based on external input (which my app reads from somewhere) Nov 25 15:41:58 r u using python? Nov 25 15:42:06 (I'm afraid that all situations like this one shoud go via swallow..) Nov 25 15:42:25 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rf7fa0d515da9 10framework/ (3 files in 2 dirs): tests: start with phonebook tests Nov 25 15:42:39 yes - for now (it's not very fast.. maybe I'll have to switch to c soon) Nov 25 15:42:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r283d8bbad864 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' Nov 25 15:42:58 you can set the top left and the size of a part element Nov 25 15:43:02 of a part Nov 25 15:43:20 hmm Nov 25 15:43:31 but one sec so that I get that right Nov 25 15:43:45 you want to generate a text/pic or likewise Nov 25 15:44:01 and then put that into a part of you edje winow? Nov 25 15:44:08 window/element Nov 25 15:44:18 and change the size of the part Nov 25 15:44:27 yes, kind of (imagine dragging some image around) Nov 25 15:44:41 ah k Nov 25 15:44:44 The call routing is cool as well: GSM -> local PBX -> sip.atekon.de (connected to the PBX) -> sipbroker.com -> totalueberwachung.de asterisk Nov 25 15:44:54 s/cool/insane/ Nov 25 15:44:56 in theory Nov 25 15:45:02 if you do a part_get_object Nov 25 15:45:11 and then a size_set on that object Nov 25 15:45:16 you should be able to reset the size Nov 25 15:45:17 right, I was already thinking about it.. Nov 25 15:45:41 but (one existing piece of docs): Warning: although Edje provides part_object_get(), you should NOT mess with these objects states or you'll screw the given Edje. The objects you get with this function should be handled as "read-only". Nov 25 15:45:56 hmm Nov 25 15:47:00 I guess you could also create a new edje object Nov 25 15:47:12 and give it a size at creation time Nov 25 15:47:18 one sec i'll try to find the code Nov 25 15:48:27 yes, that's what I did with swallow-ed rect.. there it works fine. the question if it can be done in a bit more straightforward way :) (that's what I would expect in such a toolkit..) Nov 25 15:50:20 hmm it is a bit strange that there is no clear way to change the size Nov 25 15:50:30 but maybe there is and it is just not written anywhere ;=) Nov 25 15:51:27 what r u developing btw ? Nov 25 15:51:30 I'm looking at Edje.h - so probably it isn't :( I've found somewhere that the API is not complete on purpose - so you're forced to do as much as possible within .edc.. Nov 25 15:52:55 it should be some demo app for a joystick device.. not really sure what all it should be able to do, though.. so I'm more-less just 'looking around e'.. Nov 25 15:53:07 ah k Nov 25 15:55:23 mirko-paroli: thanks for your time.. I think for now using those 'dragables' should work fine for me.. (have to leave now) Nov 25 15:55:31 ah k Nov 25 15:55:42 well I hope i could help a bit didn't really feel that way though ;) Nov 25 15:55:56 it doesn't really feel that way Nov 25 15:55:59 ;) Nov 25 15:56:02 but good luck Nov 25 15:56:36 ;) thanks.. I'm afraid I'll need it Nov 25 15:56:45 hehe Nov 25 15:56:51 don't we all :) Nov 25 16:00:02 okay, 500 calls consecutive Nov 25 16:00:22 My carrier now officially hates me :-) Nov 25 16:00:42 Well, it's booting, let see if it goes to the end Nov 25 16:05:12 And there it is. Nov 25 16:05:47 yay Nov 25 16:05:51 * sicu flashing Nov 25 16:06:18 mickey|lunch: Is there a known problem with fso-gpsd? Nov 25 16:06:29 Don't know why, but I have gpsd in its stead Nov 25 16:06:36 I bet I'm missing a provide Nov 25 16:07:10 SEems I don't Nov 25 16:10:15 Well next step is to fast boot this image :-) Nov 25 16:10:18 mrmoku: right? =) Nov 25 16:12:51 sicu: tell me if everything is okay Nov 25 16:12:56 Though I bet numptyphysics won't Nov 25 16:18:44 nnngrrr ... flashed an old image Nov 25 16:18:51 *reflashing* Nov 25 16:19:11 hahaha Nov 25 16:19:16 What an ass Nov 25 16:19:19 not funny ... it took ages Nov 25 16:19:25 mickey|lunch: ping Nov 25 16:19:35 mickey|lunch: Is RPyC in OE? Nov 25 16:19:36 http://rpyc.wikidot.com/tutorial:part3 Nov 25 16:19:42 alphaone: maybe you could answer my question from before about fso-gpsd :-) Nov 25 16:20:36 Ainulindale: right :) Nov 25 16:21:06 mrmoku: As you're our official patcher :-) Nov 25 16:21:49 BluesLee: new image with locales and such Nov 25 16:22:05 * sicu heads down to Ainulindale's place to steal a few beers whilst waiting for the flash to crawl to a finish Nov 25 16:22:15 Tsk tsk tsk Nov 25 16:22:22 There are death traps near my beers Nov 25 16:24:20 Uhh, when did I get official ? ;) Nov 25 16:24:29 Heh ! :-) Nov 25 16:24:44 I will be sending my analysis about the patches to ML Nov 25 16:24:56 First I have to install the new image thought to get back a working phone ;) Nov 25 16:24:56 Nice, thanks :-) Nov 25 16:25:00 Heh Nov 25 16:25:04 Ainulindale: hmm .. meticulously placed freerunners with openmoocow running, so as to alert of any intruders? ;] Nov 25 16:25:22 sicu: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh. Nov 25 16:26:08 Ainulindale: could you state your question again? Nov 25 16:26:20 17:06:19 < Ainulindale> mickey|lunch: Is there a known problem with fso-gpsd? Nov 25 16:26:23 17:06:29 < Ainulindale> Don't know why, but I have gpsd in its stead Nov 25 16:26:31 THough IMHO tangogps launches gpsd by itself Nov 25 16:26:34 Ainulindale: None that I know of :-) Nov 25 16:26:36 It doesn't seem to request the resource Nov 25 16:26:38 BluesLee: thanx, will test it soon Nov 25 16:26:43 oh Nov 25 16:26:44 Though I thought it would Nov 25 16:26:48 let me check Nov 25 16:29:37 Ainulindale: 2008.11.25 15:46:22 ousaged INFO Enabled GPS in 0.7 seconds Nov 25 16:29:45 by starting tangogps Nov 25 16:29:51 Why wouldn't it do the same here then? Nov 25 16:30:13 cant remember the name of the site which archives othe sites ... Nov 25 16:30:49 Ainulindale: try telnet localhost gpsd on the device Nov 25 16:30:52 got it Nov 25 16:31:03 Hmmm alphaone Nov 25 16:31:07 I have gpsd and not fso-gpsd Nov 25 16:31:15 Ainulindale: so why is that? Nov 25 16:31:16 Even though I used task-fso-compliance Nov 25 16:31:31 But then it's okay for gpsd to not reqest a resource :-) Nov 25 16:31:36 Yep Nov 25 16:31:40 But that's difficult to understand Nov 25 16:31:51 Ainulindale: You need to talk to mickey about that Nov 25 16:32:07 Ok then. Nov 25 16:32:23 I'm the wrong guy with the wrong priorities at the moment Nov 25 16:32:32 And this damn deadline creeping up on me Nov 25 16:33:04 alphaone: No problem :-) Nov 25 16:39:31 sicu: so? Nov 25 16:41:27 =] Nov 25 16:41:36 No problem? Nov 25 16:41:42 (Apart from gpsd) Nov 25 16:41:51 it's good .... including numpty Nov 25 16:41:57 Then I'm happy Nov 25 16:42:01 At last. Nov 25 16:42:17 hi. Can someone point me to a toolchain that I can use? I'm trying to follow this tutorial http://linux.fjfi.cvut.cz/~zub/debian-chroot-toolchain.txt but none of the toolchains for i686 work (/usr/local/openmoko/arm/setup-env missing) Nov 25 16:42:18 And it's not that big after all Nov 25 16:42:25 sicu: did you see I purposely removed some profiles? Nov 25 16:42:42 Ainulindale: yes ... only illume there now ... good job =] Nov 25 16:42:51 Thanks, thanks Nov 25 16:42:54 But you know Nov 25 16:42:58 I did this just to avoid questionning Nov 25 16:43:05 "Which profile should I choose?" Nov 25 16:44:09 yeh .. gets annoying after having answered it 368 times Nov 25 16:44:17 42 times is enough Nov 25 16:44:38 btw ... screen is still landscape mode after exiting numpty :/ Nov 25 16:45:01 THis may be a bug, check the desktop file and try again Nov 25 16:45:31 will do Nov 25 16:45:37 back in 10 mins Nov 25 16:46:32 ooo, the boot speed improvements in testing are quite impressive Nov 25 16:47:03 In SHR? Nov 25 16:47:06 Or OM? Nov 25 16:47:06 Ainulindale: any ETA on the gta01 images? I would like to go home now, but I would wait if it will be sone. Nov 25 16:47:11 DPThought: currently building :-) Nov 25 16:47:17 It'll take five minutes or so Nov 25 16:47:24 great Nov 25 16:47:30 Ainulindale: OM Nov 25 16:48:03 Weiss: We'll apply them soon :-) Nov 25 16:48:13 good :) Nov 25 16:48:27 hej weiss Nov 25 16:48:29 the could be more impressive still, but they're a fantastic improvement Nov 25 16:48:39 got tichy installed? ;) Nov 25 16:49:00 not at the moment... Nov 25 16:49:09 any time lately? Nov 25 16:49:35 trying to figure out who is affected by non-functioning asynchronous dbus calls ;) Nov 25 16:49:52 who as in, all testing users or certain system config etc Nov 25 16:50:31 OM-testing you mean? Nov 25 16:50:35 yapp Nov 25 16:50:47 did you just update btw? Nov 25 16:50:54 OM-testing+framework+tichy? Nov 25 16:50:58 yapp Nov 25 16:51:06 i just updated my mostly vanilla OM-testing installation Nov 25 16:51:23 are the relevant versions in the OM-testing repository? Nov 25 16:51:40 well I think the modules didn't change Nov 25 16:51:46 I use the git version of tichy Nov 25 16:51:51 Ainulindale: the numpty screen rotation bug was a one-off .... it works every time now Nov 25 16:51:53 and the frameworkd from the repo Nov 25 16:52:03 compiled yourself? Nov 25 16:52:16 tichy? Nov 25 16:52:22 hmm, i haven't considered trying this stuff so far.. maybe i'll give it a go Nov 25 16:52:25 yep, tichy Nov 25 16:52:33 it's just plain python Nov 25 16:52:42 so no compiling needed Nov 25 16:52:44 http://git.openmoko.org/?p=tichy.git;a=shortlog Nov 25 16:53:24 ah, of course Nov 25 16:54:14 I cannot get it to register the device and such Nov 25 16:54:16 that includes all the paroli stuff? Nov 25 16:54:23 and the prob seems to be async dbus calls Nov 25 16:54:29 nope the paroli stuff is at Nov 25 16:54:32 alphaone: now there is :) NOTE: package python-rpyc-3.00-ml0: task do_build: completed Nov 25 16:54:44 http://code.google.com/p/paroli Nov 25 16:54:58 mickeyl: cool, thanks Nov 25 16:55:21 will probably fiddle around with that and some sort of automated black box testing Nov 25 16:55:26 cool! Nov 25 16:56:17 mickeyl, alphaone, ola Nov 25 16:56:36 hey Nov 25 16:57:11 mirko-paroli: i thought tichy was just a launcher effectively - how do the GSM bits in tichy relate to paroli? (apologies if this is explained somewhere) Nov 25 16:57:43 no worries happy people notice paroli Nov 25 16:57:46 ;) Nov 25 16:57:58 tichy is an application manager so to speak Nov 25 16:58:06 it will, once it works as we hope Nov 25 16:58:16 will onetworkd reuse stuff from the NetworkManager project or is it more specialised... Nov 25 16:58:17 register on the network, access the sim, handle the alarms etc Nov 25 16:58:35 and then make those resources available to its applications Nov 25 16:58:50 and paroli is this approach as well as a suite of applications Nov 25 16:59:12 so we use tichy to share access to certain resources when it comes to fso as well Nov 25 16:59:57 so, if you (say) sent an SMS, it would go: paroli->tichy->frameworkd->hardware? Nov 25 17:00:15 ehm yes/no/maybe ;) Nov 25 17:00:27 but yeah in theory Nov 25 17:00:31 something like that Nov 25 17:00:43 it just looks very time consuming when you put it like that ;) Nov 25 17:01:11 i'm just trying to understand how it fits together Nov 25 17:01:19 i'll have a play a bit later on perhaps... Nov 25 17:02:28 hehe Nov 25 17:02:29 ok Nov 25 17:02:32 home sweet home Nov 25 17:02:33 it is still a bit in the blue Nov 25 17:02:40 or rather not well documented Nov 25 17:03:15 now that with the Calypso update i can use the SIM i got especially for testing with, i'm liberated a bit from having to strive for the most stable software Nov 25 17:03:22 so i can live on the edge a bit more Nov 25 17:04:10 living on the edge is always nice ;) Nov 25 17:04:44 the more there are the faster we get ;) Nov 25 17:04:52 I hope ;) Nov 25 17:04:57 k, coffee time Nov 25 17:08:06 Ainulindale: btw. there is no need for a non lite gta01 image (which is 70Mb) because the gta01 flash is only 64Mb. That would only work as tar release for SD-boot Nov 25 17:16:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rc1d4ffad4937 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: Nov 25 17:16:39 freesmartphone.org: tests: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM: Nov 25 17:16:39 freesmartphone.org: * RetrieveEntry Nov 25 17:16:39 freesmartphone.org: * StoreEntry Nov 25 17:16:39 freesmartphone.org: * DeleteEntry Nov 25 17:16:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r259ed5683634 10/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' Nov 25 17:19:35 mickeyl: can I bother you with a python-dbus question or is that not your area? Nov 25 17:20:53 just ask and lets see Nov 25 17:21:18 mickeyl: i want to issue an asynch dbus call Nov 25 17:21:29 but I don't get the callback Nov 25 17:22:08 perhaps your message errors out Nov 25 17:22:13 in that case the error callback gets called instead Nov 25 17:22:30 so in theory it should work Nov 25 17:22:32 like Nov 25 17:23:06 RequestResource('GSM',"reply_handler"=handler,"error_handler"=err_handler) Nov 25 17:23:14 ah, that's wrong Nov 25 17:23:21 ah Nov 25 17:23:26 reply_handler and error_handler are no strings Nov 25 17:23:33 interface.operationfoo.bar( here, are, the params, reply_handler=, error_handler=) Nov 25 17:23:45 oh Nov 25 17:23:54 ok will try that Nov 25 17:24:16 where is navit on shr's repo? :O Nov 25 17:28:00 hmm Nov 25 17:28:11 same result *grml* Nov 25 17:28:28 thx anyhow, might be something in tichy Nov 25 17:28:43 hi, i just flashed the new, "proper" shr-testing image, and i notice that there's still gpsd installed and fso-gpsd missing Nov 25 17:30:19 TommyB: i'm not sure about the details, but Ainulindale is aware of it Nov 25 17:31:00 mirko Nov 25 17:31:08 can you make some screen of paroli? :) Nov 25 17:31:09 yes? Nov 25 17:31:14 i want to see it Nov 25 17:32:01 there should be screens on the google page Nov 25 17:32:07 however it seems they are missing right now Nov 25 17:32:08 one sec Nov 25 17:32:20 ok Nov 25 17:33:05 Ainulindale: regarding the fso-gpsd problem, i still suspect that http://git.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=commit;h=282341dcf8eca9c6d6e69eecb99b91dc18abbecd might have something to do with it Nov 25 17:33:36 ah :D Nov 25 17:40:42 Ainulindale: btw. all seems to work well with the new images. thx. going home now Nov 25 17:42:52 Hire1: http://code.google.com/p/paroli/wiki/DesignDrafts Nov 25 17:42:59 they are a bit off Nov 25 17:43:00 but Nov 25 17:43:10 it will be or rather is very close to that Nov 25 17:43:36 Cool Nov 25 17:43:43 it is usable Paroli? Nov 25 17:43:44 now Nov 25 17:43:50 unfortunately not :( Nov 25 17:43:58 :/ Nov 25 17:44:00 some blockers in the way Nov 25 17:44:45 however it is nice Nov 25 17:44:56 hehe, thx Nov 25 17:45:01 i really like the design too Nov 25 17:45:11 and would like it even better if it was usuable ;) Nov 25 17:45:55 Ainulindale: did you removed omview from the feed? Nov 25 19:02:12 heellooo? Nov 25 19:02:27 i haven't never see this chan so silent .. Nov 25 19:15:34 echo Nov 25 19:15:35 echo Nov 25 19:15:37 echo Nov 25 19:15:39 ;) Nov 25 19:17:24 pfft Nov 25 19:20:33 silent world Nov 25 19:22:43 Is Julien here ? Nov 25 19:24:11 using SHR is there anyway to change the clock to digital ? Nov 25 19:24:45 yes Nov 25 19:24:50 change to the newest image ;) Nov 25 19:26:18 I did an update/upgrade cycle , can I just change a config file now ? Nov 25 19:27:35 Nytowl flash it Nov 25 19:29:15 is there a workaround for the launcher? i only get very big icons and i dont know how to get them small Nov 25 19:29:33 von_fritz: beside a digital clock, what are the features of latest image? Nov 25 19:29:40 btw hi :) Nov 25 19:30:09 Nytowl you can try to delete .e and the stop and restart xserver... i d' ontnt now if this works.... try Nov 25 19:30:48 thanks I'll try that it's quicker than reflashing. Plus I don't loose my customizations Nov 25 19:32:37 von_fritz, deleting .e doesn't seems to be a right solution Nov 25 19:32:43 to the task Nov 25 19:34:56 well, then search the right configurationfile and edit it. (if exist) Nov 25 19:35:22 I thought opkg upgrade gave the choice of adopting new configurations Nov 25 19:36:47 On some files in etc. it won't touch ~/.e Nov 25 19:41:20 well deleting .e will do for me, better than flashing. =P Nov 25 19:42:10 deleting .e changes things but I don't end up with a digital clock. Should I chose a profile other than illume ? Nov 25 19:43:08 Nytowl: Did you reflash? Nov 25 19:43:15 (I'm Julien) Nov 25 19:43:37 No upgrade/update Nov 25 19:43:42 Nytowl: If you want to get the default e conf Nov 25 19:43:43 Either you reflash Nov 25 19:43:51 Or you get the new files from git Nov 25 19:43:53 Then replace them Nov 25 19:43:57 Though I'd strongly suggest to reflash Nov 25 19:44:04 It seems our buildhost was borked Nov 25 19:44:10 I wiped out everything and rebuilt clean Nov 25 19:44:17 I'd suggest you reflash Nov 25 19:44:17 13:55 seconds and I'll try a reflash Nov 25 19:44:19 It'll be cleaner Nov 25 19:44:23 Ok :-) Nov 25 19:44:39 Ainulindale: borked, when? Nov 25 19:44:59 How was the beer saturday ? Nov 25 19:45:59 Pretty cool indeed Nov 25 19:46:03 Ainulindale i removed gpsd instead of fso-gpsd, tangogpas is not working (no fix) with gpsd Nov 25 19:46:08 How do you know about that Nytowl? Nov 25 19:46:12 Ah, it's Angus Nov 25 19:46:17 Nytowl: I have pictures :-) Nov 25 19:46:23 von_fritz: I know Nov 25 19:46:45 i had one deregistering with a suspend resume cyclus with the new image Nov 25 19:46:56 It's never good when you keep evidence Nov 25 19:48:24 Heh :-) Nov 25 19:48:35 BluesLee: It may or may not happen, it'll depend on frameword Nov 25 19:48:37 +k Nov 25 19:50:05 Ainulindale Nov 25 19:50:27 navit is disappeared? :D Nov 25 19:50:36 Yep Nov 25 19:50:43 :( Nov 25 19:50:54 Let me rebuild things properly, will you? Nov 25 19:51:06 sure :D Nov 25 19:51:22 what it is "vip" into shr.bearstech? Nov 25 19:54:55 Just a test I did. Nov 25 19:57:01 omview has dissapeared;-) Nov 25 19:58:14 You're mistaken Nov 25 19:58:16 It is here Nov 25 19:59:59 BluesLee opkg install http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t/omview_0.0.1-svnr34-r1.1_armv4t.ipk Nov 25 20:01:07 opkg list | grep omview Nov 25 20:01:11 gives nothing back Nov 25 20:01:38 hmm Nov 25 20:01:46 src/gz armv4t http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/ipk/armv4t Nov 25 20:02:34 root@om-gta02 /etc/opkg $ opkg install omview Nov 25 20:02:34 An error ocurred, return value: -51104. Nov 25 20:02:47 opkg update? Nov 25 20:03:39 same Nov 25 20:04:52 now okay Nov 25 20:04:57 my mistake Nov 25 20:05:07 no Nov 25 20:05:16 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for omview: Nov 25 20:05:16 * libepsilon-thumbd * libewl1 (>= 0.5.2.042+svnr37681) * libemotion0 (>= 0.1.0+svnr37681) * libepsilon0 (>= 0.3.0.012+svnr37681) * Nov 25 20:05:26 i guess the files are there Nov 25 20:05:36 BluesLee packages list need to be regenerated by Ainulindale Nov 25 20:05:42 (Indeed) Nov 25 20:05:42 okay Nov 25 20:06:08 Doing that Nov 25 20:06:47 mrmoku: good report :-) Nov 25 20:06:51 Interesting read Nov 25 20:09:16 thanks Nov 25 20:09:30 So, overall Nov 25 20:09:35 What do you think about the patchset? Nov 25 20:10:32 I still have to _try_ them - until now I just _read_ them ;) Nov 25 20:11:24 though I still have to do some dayjob stuff for the next half hour or so... Nov 25 20:11:36 after that I can continue the fastboot quest :) Nov 25 20:11:59 Nice :-) Nov 25 20:12:56 is it a good idea to backup home including hidden dirs? Nov 25 20:12:58 by the way - new image looks good so far :) Nov 25 20:13:14 indeed Nov 25 20:13:24 nice work ainulindale :) Nov 25 20:13:35 the lastest image is perfect and shr is very stable Nov 25 20:13:51 i used it today without problem for 150 km with navit and tangogps Nov 25 20:14:02 its not perfect Nov 25 20:14:12 its nearly perfect;-) Nov 25 20:14:33 Hire1: I'm going to add the brightness settings somewhere Nov 25 20:14:43 i have do calls and recevied outgoing calls without problem ( no buzz no echo, sound pretty good ) Nov 25 20:14:45 And fix this gps thing Nov 25 20:14:47 do=did Nov 25 20:15:09 Ainulindale: can you add shortom to the feed? Nov 25 20:15:33 and the midnight commander is missing too Nov 25 20:15:42 yes Nov 25 20:15:44 Ainulindale: hee nice :) Nov 25 20:16:03 fletch: but it was there before .. Nov 25 20:16:15 right, but now its gone Nov 25 20:16:33 fletch: i guess Ainulindale has that on his list Nov 25 20:16:44 Yeah, I still didn't recompile everything Nov 25 20:16:52 I had to update OE to check some stuff Nov 25 20:17:05 mrmoku: I think about every raster patches are there now Nov 25 20:17:19 shortomview lets you add scripts and you can start them via a gui, quit comfortable Nov 25 20:18:22 Is there a bb recipe? Nov 25 20:18:42 ?? Nov 25 20:18:46 dont know Nov 25 20:19:24 btw is it necessary to add the modules to the image? Nov 25 20:19:29 Ainulindale: http://www.opkg.org/package_28.html Nov 25 20:20:07 fletch: no Nov 25 20:20:45 k Nov 25 20:21:31 BluesLee: Would you please try to do a bb recipe? Nov 25 20:22:11 sorry, dont know anything about bb, =bitbake? Nov 25 20:22:56 Ainulindale: is that a config file for compilation? Nov 25 20:23:22 yes Nov 25 20:23:40 After reflashing somethings not right. The provider is showing up as "Rogers Wireless", they provide the towers to "Speakout" which is my provider Nov 25 20:23:52 Ainulindale: i heard rumours about that stuff:-) Nov 25 20:24:02 the dialer and messages are also crashing as if I'm not properly registered Nov 25 20:25:39 Nytowl: apps that talk to GSM/the sim have always crashed here when I am not registered Nov 25 20:25:48 BluesLee http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/BitBake_recipe Nov 25 20:26:09 Nytowl: logs and ticket please :-) Nov 25 20:27:50 i may ask the author of that package to do something like that, it looks a bit crucial for me:-) Nov 25 20:33:37 where's trac for SHR ? Nov 25 20:35:47 Nytowl: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac Nov 25 20:35:53 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ Nov 25 20:35:56 Ainulindale: do you think quickdev will handle newlines correctly some day ? ;) Nov 25 20:39:19 mrmoku: I hope he will Nov 25 20:41:02 Currently building a config provider or SHR Nov 25 20:41:04 +f Nov 25 20:43:23 (And a feed task too) Nov 25 20:56:32 Ainulindale: Nov 25 20:56:54 Yes? Nov 25 20:57:08 i installed libpng but me penis didnt get any bigger? wtf Nov 25 20:57:24 Dumbass :-) Nov 25 20:57:27 hows shr doin Nov 25 20:57:46 i just awoke from my beauty sleep Nov 25 20:57:49 that is because it is libpng3 Nov 25 20:57:57 An image is out kd8ikt Nov 25 20:58:04 :) Nov 25 20:58:07 And this one is working properly but for GPS Nov 25 20:58:12 Which I'll settle soon Nov 25 20:58:13 fso svn? Nov 25 20:58:38 Ainulindale: ah is there an issue with GPS on todays image? I was just testing that :) Nov 25 20:58:48 Hire1: which version for navit? Nov 25 20:58:50 you guys said that about the last image but it works fine Nov 25 20:58:50 Tig|: Yep Nov 25 20:58:55 gps that is Nov 25 20:59:04 opkg remove --force-depends gpsd; opkg install fso-gpsd Nov 25 20:59:11 ah Nov 25 20:59:13 aha! Nov 25 20:59:14 Ainulindale:r1756 Nov 25 20:59:24 and set the flag for svg2png Nov 25 20:59:30 Where? Nov 25 20:59:52 (I just built a frameworkd-shr-config package) Nov 25 21:00:49 Ainulindale: wait 2 sec Nov 25 21:01:01 what is a frontend to /etc/frameworkd.conf? Nov 25 21:01:34 maybe i should just do an opkg upgrade instead of reflashing? Nov 25 21:02:16 For latest, no Nov 25 21:03:24 Ainulindale: --enable-svg2png-scaling-flag=32 Nov 25 21:03:45 Yeah saw that Nov 25 21:05:30 Ok, commited my stuff. Nov 25 21:06:01 Nytowl: with the image from today, did you have the PIN dialog? Nov 25 21:08:33 hm, is there an FSOm4 wifi setup app yet? Nov 25 21:10:06 Hire1: Ok, this is here. Nov 25 21:10:46 eheh nice :) Nov 25 21:10:55 thank you very much Nov 25 21:11:30 i will offer to you a beer sometime ;) Nov 25 21:11:55 Just so you know Nov 25 21:12:03 I outputed a git diff patch which I'll keep up to date Nov 25 21:12:06 This is our diff from OE Nov 25 21:12:13 http://shr.bearstech.com/ <= there Nov 25 21:12:35 YAY Nov 25 21:12:45 Yay what? Nov 25 21:12:57 YAY Nov 25 21:13:12 YOY Nov 25 21:13:20 kd8ikt: If you wish some packages, tell me, I have a feed now :-) Nov 25 21:13:25 I don't have a PIN on my SIM Nov 25 21:13:43 Nytowl: Then I'm interested in ophonekitd.log and frameworkd.log Nov 25 21:13:46 Is it on the ticket? Nov 25 21:14:20 frameworkd.log is I already reflashed to my backup so ophonekitd will be gone Nov 25 21:14:50 Well, without ophonekitd.log I can't do a thing, sorry Nov 25 21:14:51 ticket 149 Nov 25 21:16:02 I'll give it another kick tomorrow Nov 25 21:16:25 Nytowl: Ok :-) Nov 25 21:19:03 Ainulindale is my super hero Nov 25 21:19:29 Your "super hero" is going to smoke Nov 25 21:20:07 (and watch big bang theory) Nov 25 21:20:52 the lastest ep of big bang theory is FANTISTIC Nov 25 21:23:06 Hire1: could you please check with the navit guys if there's a way to switch navit from pulseaudio to anything else? Nov 25 21:23:24 bleh pulseaudio Nov 25 21:23:32 sure :) Nov 25 21:23:46 i thought the only snds for navit where from espeak stuff Nov 25 21:24:23 and i could never get navit to read the map i downloaded Nov 25 21:24:33 binfile from osm or somethin Nov 25 21:24:51 instructions from the wiki Nov 25 21:25:11 must be outdated or something Nov 25 21:28:29 Still having problems with patching here, has anybody else reported similar? http://rafb.net/p/CBMjE857.html Nov 25 21:35:12 what does the rotate value refer to in logrotate ? number of files to keep in rotation? Nov 25 21:37:29 cp15 is a bit busy :D Nov 25 21:39:53 (22:39:10) cp15: Ainulindale, navit has nothing to do with portaudio Nov 25 21:45:48 kd8ikt: default conf is wrong Nov 25 21:51:59 Hire1: by the way Nov 25 21:52:01 If you have extra time Nov 25 21:52:11 I'd be glad if you would be able to test mplayer UIs to replace starling Nov 25 21:52:17 sure :) Nov 25 21:52:18 (mplayer is currently compiling) Nov 25 21:52:40 I'll be back in ten minutes to regenerate package index Nov 25 21:52:43 i tried mplayer on FR and it works Nov 25 21:52:51 i have to test some nice ui for him Nov 25 21:53:05 but I will do that tomorrow ;) Nov 25 21:53:32 now I am a bit tired... I travelled for 300 km today :D Nov 25 21:53:48 I tried pythm and at least it does not crash ;) Nov 25 21:54:33 i want to try deforas :D Nov 25 21:54:39 it is nice Nov 25 21:54:42 :) Nov 25 21:56:17 mrmoku: If you're able to produce a bb recipe for it I'm whiling to replace starling :-) Nov 25 21:56:28 Hire1: great big bang episode indeed :-) Nov 25 21:56:32 mrmoku: By the way Nov 25 21:56:36 Send me your key Nov 25 21:56:38 eheh :D Nov 25 21:56:42 I owe you a git account Nov 25 21:57:06 mrmoku: and just so you know, did you see I produced a diff for OE on shr.bearstech.com? Nov 25 21:57:09 That's the missing part Nov 25 21:58:26 Hey dolf1074 Nov 25 21:58:31 hey Nov 25 21:58:42 Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/m7279f829 Nov 25 21:59:11 Hire1: I already have yours Nov 25 21:59:16 I was talking to mrmoku :-) Nov 25 21:59:20 ah ... Nov 25 21:59:22 :( Nov 25 21:59:27 :) just got the diff Nov 25 21:59:28 And you already have a git acount Nov 25 21:59:34 +c Nov 25 21:59:34 News on the SHR front? Nov 25 21:59:38 mrmoku: I'll be changing some stuff Nov 25 21:59:52 dolf1074: new image hit the ground, it works fine apart from GPS (which I'll correct tonight) Nov 25 21:59:53 i think you had a problem with my git account :/ Nov 25 22:00:04 no :-) Nov 25 22:00:20 Ainulindale: ok Nov 25 22:00:24 By the way guys Nov 25 22:00:34 not much left :) Nov 25 22:00:57 btw. Sorry to all I still cannot contribute. Some tasks for school :( Nov 25 22:01:04 http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=openembedded/packages/tasks/task-shr-feed.bb;h=84f5d60c6deef6cec9c1776547e182fbbadc89ee;hb=HEAD <= could you guys tell me what to add there as permanently build packages? Nov 25 22:01:10 Dr.Ainulindale FTW :D Nov 25 22:01:16 Hire1: dumbass :-) Nov 25 22:01:40 agpsui? Nov 25 22:01:43 tangogps? Nov 25 22:01:48 indeed Nov 25 22:01:51 tangogps Nov 25 22:01:54 sadly... mofi Nov 25 22:02:05 Hire1: mplayer is here, I'm updating the feed Nov 25 22:02:06 fennec Nov 25 22:02:07 And if you have time: games Nov 25 22:02:15 dolf1074: tangogps is already in another task Nov 25 22:02:22 I meant, besides the basic stuff I already build Nov 25 22:02:24 games is the last thing that we needs Nov 25 22:02:25 (see the other tasks in the tree) Nov 25 22:02:37 i think it is ok however Nov 25 22:02:41 fennec doesn't build Nov 25 22:02:54 pingus/duke Nov 25 22:03:10 Ainulindale: fennec isn't fast enough for a build Nov 25 22:03:14 one thing I'm missing is something to store secrets in a secret way Nov 25 22:03:25 * mrmoku has problems remembering PINs and passwords Nov 25 22:03:53 don't know if something exists already Nov 25 22:04:15 fennec it is nice as web browser Nov 25 22:04:21 midori has some problem Nov 25 22:04:21 :( Nov 25 22:04:25 +s Nov 25 22:04:29 That's mainly because of me Nov 25 22:04:31 Hire1: I thought fennec worked verry slow Nov 25 22:04:34 I'll update the package Nov 25 22:09:59 Ainulindale: Is there somewhere I can set the resolution in SHR. I want much smaller fonts. The web browser gets hards to use when I need to scroll all the time. Nov 25 22:10:15 Ainulindale: maybe we can insert this fix: http://n2.nabble.com/Crostalk-of-voice-input-and-output-in-openmoko-FreeRunner-tp1569485p1571282.html Nov 25 22:10:27 if it doens't regress other peoples echo bug Nov 25 22:10:44 quatrox: there are settings in illume Nov 25 22:21:36 hi Nov 25 22:35:24 Ainulindale: ok, my freerunner needs a rest from booting now :) Nov 25 22:35:32 will continue tomorrow Nov 25 22:36:03 regarding pythm - I checked out the svn and will have a look too Nov 25 22:36:15 though it would be my first .bb recipe Nov 25 22:38:27 mrmoku: this is quite easy you know Nov 25 22:38:31 It's just that I have so much things to do Nov 25 22:38:35 Hire1: hey Nov 25 22:38:41 navit is there in a minute Nov 25 22:38:47 (r1756 though) Nov 25 22:39:22 Ainulindale: do you know where I can find these settings? Which file? Nov 25 22:40:20 quatrox: click on the wrench in illume menu Nov 25 22:40:34 then it's on fonts Nov 25 22:40:34 Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? I've copied libframeworkd-phonegui into the map libframeworkd-apps. I tried to rename everything. but can't get it into compiling. This is my error: http://pastebin.com/m40536b28 Nov 25 22:40:57 dolf1074: Your makefile doesn't define a rule for libframeworkd-apps.pc Nov 25 22:41:19 http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr.git;a=blob;f=libframeworkd-phonegui/Makefile.am;h=2dc1943aa789b302a49fa99e4794feda807b3abf;hb=HEAD <= check that Nov 25 22:41:23 makefile: http://pastebin.com/mf26f4f2 Nov 25 22:41:26 Modify your Makefile.am Nov 25 22:41:33 And add your .pc file in pkgconfig_DATA Nov 25 22:41:41 Hmmm Nov 25 22:41:44 I see you did :-) Nov 25 22:41:53 There's also configure.ac to modify Nov 25 22:42:11 configure.ac: http://pastebin.com/m18729dd3 Nov 25 22:42:24 is there a pc.in file? Nov 25 22:42:29 no Nov 25 22:42:36 yes, sorry Nov 25 22:42:48 http://pastebin.com/mdaa28b Nov 25 22:42:54 Ainulindale: The only thing there is Bluetooth, Brightness, Profile and Suspend Nov 25 22:43:13 quatrox: the wrench in illume, not settings Nov 25 22:43:16 deploy the menu Nov 25 22:43:20 the wrench is in the topmost left corner Nov 25 22:43:21 quatrox: if you open the top bar, you get a top icon in the left top Nov 25 22:43:56 dolf1074: Did you modify your configure.ac and Makefile.am on the fly? Nov 25 22:44:03 (i.e. using devshell?) Nov 25 22:44:13 Hire1: package index is generating Nov 25 22:44:22 I just opened it by gedit and edited it Nov 25 22:44:59 And did you do bitbake -c clean -b your.bb; bitbake -b your.bb? Nov 25 22:45:12 Here it may not work if you don't relaunch the configure explicitely Nov 25 22:45:23 To do that, backup your sources where they should be (where the bb file takes them) Nov 25 22:45:26 then clean Nov 25 22:45:28 then rebuild Nov 25 22:45:59 bitbake -c clean libframeworkd-apps; bitbake -c build libframeworkd-apps Nov 25 22:46:06 that's what I did Nov 25 22:46:31 Check your tmp/work/something/libframeworkd-apps* directory Nov 25 22:46:34 there should be sourcs there Nov 25 22:46:35 +e Nov 25 22:46:39 Check your files are the good one Nov 25 22:46:54 (and use bitbake -b) Nov 25 22:47:00 (it'll skip the dependencies test) Nov 25 22:47:19 Okay, will try all the precious you tell :) Nov 25 22:51:11 btw. libframeworkd-apps is something that I'm now making. It is like libframeworkd-phonegui, but you can choose for every task (like messages, settings,...) which program you want. For example, their can be 2 settings apps made (efl or gtk) and you can choose which one has to be launched Nov 25 22:51:49 This is what we intended with lfp you know Nov 25 22:51:52 I'm making this just for testing purpose. (for testing my c skills for a project I have to do for school) But maybe it may become handy later Nov 25 22:51:58 quit Nov 25 22:52:35 Ainulindale: Yes I've seen, but I thought there were a couple of 'problems' with that implementation Nov 25 22:53:03 for example, all the apps: messages/calling/... are in one 'program' Nov 25 22:53:18 libframeworkd-phonegui-efl Nov 25 22:53:50 In my implementation, they are all separate programs that 'register' themself on libframeworkd-apps Nov 25 22:54:23 0: Nov 25 22:54:54 dolf1074: this is possible with lfp too Nov 25 22:54:57 screen Nov 25 22:55:20 The current implementation doesn't allow that Nov 25 22:55:20 dolf1074: Though we didn't implement it yet Nov 25 22:55:24 lfp does Nov 25 22:55:27 ophonekitd doesn't Nov 25 22:55:32 Though it's simple to do Nov 25 22:55:47 Build it the way you like it, then include your modifications in ophonekitd :-) Nov 25 22:56:02 dolf1074: and anyway, have a look at ophonekitd Nov 25 22:56:08 it's currently loading from only one library Nov 25 22:56:09 I will Nov 25 22:56:15 but nothing forbids to load from several Nov 25 22:56:19 in fact that's what I was willing to do Nov 25 22:56:53 A Nov 25 22:56:58 methril|laptop: rm -rf Nov 25 22:57:15 dolf1074: off for a while, feel free to write down some questions you have, I'll gladly answer them Nov 25 22:57:20 ok Nov 25 22:57:32 Though you should focus on implementing your mockups Nov 25 22:57:35 I like them a lot :-) Nov 25 22:57:42 so you want ophonekitd to be separated into some libs? Nov 25 22:57:49 No Nov 25 22:57:55 Currently ophonekitd is built against lfp Nov 25 22:58:02 It loads at runtime dynamically a lib based on a conf file Nov 25 22:58:16 We could, and will, load libraries and not a library Nov 25 22:58:16 navit works Nov 25 22:58:28 Hire1: check ringtone after suspend Nov 25 22:58:33 I disabled pulseaudio Nov 25 22:58:35 but the icons doesn't works Nov 25 22:58:36 ok Nov 25 22:58:39 okay, I get it Nov 25 22:58:40 now I will try it Nov 25 22:58:56 dolf1074: Work on your school thing Nov 25 22:59:05 The only disadvantagement I see, is that you need 'ghost' apps Nov 25 22:59:07 Tomorrow I'll be able to talk with you about that if you're around Nov 25 22:59:16 Ainulindale: okay Nov 25 22:59:17 ghost apps are there out of convenience Nov 25 22:59:26 They're just there because we needed to ship some stuff Nov 25 22:59:29 werid Nov 25 22:59:30 (desktop file, etc) Nov 25 22:59:39 my networking isn't registred ... Nov 25 22:59:53 Ainulindale: when will you be online tomorrow? Nov 25 22:59:55 yep Nov 25 22:59:57 All day Nov 25 23:00:04 okay, nice :) Nov 25 23:00:13 Though now I have to leave Nov 25 23:00:17 I truly wish to see the last Heroes Nov 25 23:00:18 byebye Nov 25 23:00:25 So see you in an hour or so =) Nov 25 23:00:33 i will be asleep ;) Nov 25 23:01:11 here works the ringtone Nov 25 23:02:26 Hire1: nice, but didn't the ringtone worked before? Nov 25 23:02:41 before it works Nov 25 23:02:49 but now ainu disabled pulseaudio Nov 25 23:03:17 ah so Nov 25 23:04:03 eh :) Nov 25 23:04:07 now I have to Nov 25 23:04:09 go Nov 25 23:04:13 ok bye Nov 25 23:04:14 i am very tired :D Nov 25 23:04:19 night guys :) Nov 25 23:04:24 I will spam this channel alone ;) Nov 25 23:06:44 I would be interested in developing some GUIs and interfaces for Openmoko. I would like to be able to integrate UI ideas from Blackberry's UI, iPhone's UI and Android UI and so similar visual effects. Should I go towards a specific language/toolkit to be able to do that? Nov 25 23:07:35 Spanska: Do you want to develop gui/interfaces for SHR / Om 2008.9? Nov 25 23:08:01 FSO seems attractive as I would like to create something that would be usable in the future Nov 25 23:08:21 FSO as ui stuff will not be that interesting for the future Nov 25 23:08:33 because FSO only want to be a middle-layer software Nov 25 23:08:53 with a little test-app for the phone gui called zhone Nov 25 23:09:11 I would also like to develop basic phone applications like SMS apps, GUI menus, home GUI, etc Nov 25 23:09:15 SHR is community based and include the middle-ware of FSO Nov 25 23:09:29 and that is made of E17 Nov 25 23:09:34 http://www.enlightenment.org/ Nov 25 23:10:04 a better link is this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Edje Nov 25 23:10:11 yo momma Nov 25 23:10:59 What would be any advantages/disadvantages to go with SHR or Om 2008.9 ? Nov 25 23:11:02 mamamama Nov 25 23:11:07 Ainulindale: thanks, just doing 'bitbake mybeautifullapp' resolved my problem Nov 25 23:11:33 Spanska: It will be hard for getting patches into Om 2008.9 Nov 25 23:11:48 So you would best make news apps, if you want to develop for Om 2008.9 Nov 25 23:12:17 (ps. It will just take long before the patches are accepted into Om 2008.9, because every developer at Om is extremely busy) Nov 25 23:12:30 oh... sad thing Nov 25 23:12:45 And SHR is something community based with some really passionate people in it Nov 25 23:13:02 Could I just go with SHR and ask later on to have Om 2008.9 if anyone's pleased with what I did? Nov 25 23:13:14 yeah, busy with next generation fr's :D Nov 25 23:13:34 I'd particularly like to create a GPS app at some time.. I like the way my Garmin works but there are some limitations I hate a lot.. Nov 25 23:14:05 Spanska: If you want to work on a GPS app, try TangoGPS and try to improve it Nov 25 23:14:16 Is there any place I could find some SHR screenshots? Nov 25 23:14:27 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ Nov 25 23:14:29 homepage of shr Nov 25 23:14:54 I'll take a lookt at it then.. but I wanna start slow first and see if I have the skills/time to do a GUI that looks good to me Nov 25 23:15:24 And this are the mockups that I made. And I will adapt SHR to it: http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shr2/ Nov 25 23:15:44 I mean, I will make changes to the sources, so it will look like these Nov 25 23:16:32 Spanska: start here http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR and try do some minor changes on the dialer or something Nov 25 23:16:59 if you can get through patching:D o_O Nov 25 23:17:06 ok.. I want to hide as much as possible how the OS GUI looks.. just like commercial phones Nov 25 23:17:10 jonkristian: it should work now Nov 25 23:17:16 I did it today Nov 25 23:17:26 dolf1074: not here Nov 25 23:17:39 :/ Nov 25 23:17:43 I just tried Nov 25 23:17:51 Did you use the Alternative patchset? Nov 25 23:17:57 Tried both Nov 25 23:18:03 Which one should i use? Nov 25 23:18:07 the alternative Nov 25 23:18:12 and there are some that fail Nov 25 23:18:23 but that come because those are already applied upstream Nov 25 23:18:42 dolf1074: yes i saw that, but i think others failed aswell Nov 25 23:18:47 dolf1074: with the sources for that distribution, could I change the main bar at top and basically anything on the screen? Nov 25 23:19:08 Spanska: I don't know about the top bar and the main screen Nov 25 23:19:49 I'd really love to see a consistant look across all apps Nov 25 23:20:15 me too Nov 25 23:20:29 but we can't ask tangogps for changing it's gui just for us :( Nov 25 23:20:34 are you using GTK+ ? Nov 25 23:20:48 SHR isn't Nov 25 23:20:55 It can, but most apps are in edje Nov 25 23:20:55 what is it using? Nov 25 23:21:06 hrm, God.. I don't know that Nov 25 23:21:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Edje Nov 25 23:21:11 is that C/C++ ? Nov 25 23:21:12 dolf1074: http://rafb.net/p/pW1qGT34.html Nov 25 23:21:36 jonkristian: and you can't go further? Nov 25 23:21:44 dolf1074: ill try a build Nov 25 23:21:55 haven't done that yet, as i assumed it wouldn't Nov 25 23:22:09 jonkristian: with me it is working Nov 25 23:22:16 though I didn't do a fully build yet Nov 25 23:22:37 I did build libframeworkd-phonegui and libframeworkd-phonegui-efl and openmoko-dialer3 Nov 25 23:22:47 successfully :) Nov 25 23:23:19 ok Nov 25 23:23:55 im trying to build the whole image, because i need to know that it's working, it's a habbit of mine Nov 25 23:24:41 the whole image is very slow to build Nov 25 23:25:09 i know, but i know where it failed the last time, so... Nov 25 23:25:12 and I need it just to adapt some applications (for making the new gui, I mockuped) Nov 25 23:25:51 dolf1074: looks pretty good Nov 25 23:26:18 I'm still confused.. I don't want to start developping to figure I cannot do the GUI effects I'm looking for Nov 25 23:26:40 Spanska: what do you want to make? Nov 25 23:26:41 Is SHR the only distribution using Edje? Nov 25 23:26:50 No, om also Nov 25 23:26:57 (for every app that they made) Nov 25 23:27:05 I don't know for the other apps Nov 25 23:27:11 I want to be able to do sliding effects like an Android and on the iPhone Nov 25 23:27:25 dolf1074: it actually appears to be working now, but i won't say anything 'til it's done, don't wanna jinx it either;) Nov 25 23:27:32 Do you have the om2008.9 image flashed? Nov 25 23:27:45 jonkristian: we gonna see :) Nov 25 23:28:03 I have to be sure I can change the whole GUI and hide as much as I can Elightenment GUI Nov 25 23:28:24 Spanska: that will be difficult Nov 25 23:28:37 I wan't to port networkmanager, when I've learnt more about this Nov 25 23:28:41 I also have to be able to create my GPS app the way I want it to look in the future with the same tools Nov 25 23:29:37 Spanska: I think you take a little bit to much tasks. SHR is already some months busy with just making a working distro Nov 25 23:30:43 An working GPS apps can already take a full year to build Nov 25 23:30:57 Spanska: you mean you just want your window to be fullscreen? Nov 25 23:30:59 Spanska: regarding your questions Nov 25 23:31:11 Spanska: The architecture of SHR allows you to plug some UI libraries easily Nov 25 23:31:24 Spanska: And the goal is to allow users to build custom UI based on what they want Nov 25 23:31:37 Spanska: I'll be glad to see you work with us in that kind of way :-) Nov 25 23:31:39 raster: I want to make a GUI to make the phone looks just like a commercial phone with a very nice looking GUI Nov 25 23:32:17 you know that most "commercial phones" dont have processes? Nov 25 23:32:18 Ainulindale: so you mean I can basically do all I said? Nov 25 23:32:19 or multiple apps Nov 25 23:32:27 they literally eun 1 big process for the whole ui Nov 25 23:32:31 no windowing system Nov 25 23:32:35 oh.. Nov 25 23:32:36 all just drawn to the fb Nov 25 23:32:37 Spanska: You can replace easily dialer, messages, contacts for now Nov 25 23:32:40 Quite easily indeed Nov 25 23:32:44 if thats what u want Nov 25 23:32:49 Ainulindale: what about the top bar? Nov 25 23:32:50 Spanska: There's an architecture schema on trac Nov 25 23:32:58 Spanska: Top bar is skinnable AFAIK Nov 25 23:32:58 you basically dont want to play ball with the rest of the userland world of apps Nov 25 23:33:11 Spanska: But first thing is to do a telephony stack Nov 25 23:33:16 If you want to mimic commercial phones Nov 25 23:33:16 so anything but a base os that boots toa temrinal prompt is all u are interested in Nov 25 23:33:51 and to say "mimic a commercial phone" Nov 25 23:33:52 whiuhc one Nov 25 23:33:57 they all are very different Nov 25 23:34:02 raster: I don't care myself Nov 25 23:34:08 only more modenr high-powered phones begin to have a "windowing system" Nov 25 23:34:15 with multiple processes sharing the display Nov 25 23:34:16 etc. Nov 25 23:34:22 I just told him it was quite possible with SHR to build something custom based on the underlying architecture Nov 25 23:34:25 Ainulindale: i dont either Nov 25 23:34:26 :) Nov 25 23:34:26 Spanska: the task is doable, but will take a huge amount of your time (a very huge). Nov 25 23:34:47 Building a custom UI for telephony, at the moment, is easy Nov 25 23:34:47 it is doable indeed Nov 25 23:34:53 i hope u have a few years of spare time Nov 25 23:34:54 :) Nov 25 23:35:07 Doing other stuff on the whole look & feel of the applications might be another thing Nov 25 23:35:14 unless you know this territory very well you will need to learn a lot Nov 25 23:35:18 Spanska: Just make a new application, hide the top bar and you can make the every GUI you want. (But this will take your time) Nov 25 23:35:19 and that will sink much time into dead-ends Nov 25 23:35:47 dolf1074: thats why i asked if he wants a fullscreen window Nov 25 23:36:04 if all he wants is "i want my app to fill the screen" then thats been doable since day 1 Nov 25 23:36:32 raster: I know, but whether he wants it or not. For making a fully GUI without bothering from illume, you can best do it with a fullscreen app Nov 25 23:36:48 It's a hack, but the best hack : Nov 25 23:37:49 okay folks, I'm now going to sleep. bye bye Nov 25 23:37:58 sleeper! Nov 25 23:41:58 I'll install SHR and play with it a bit and think about what I should do then.. Nov 25 23:42:24 I guess I'm still not sure about the way I should take to develop something useful for other people and for myself Nov 25 23:42:29 Spanska: I'm available to tell you where to start if necessary Nov 25 23:42:36 For a telephony UI stack Nov 25 23:43:12 I thought working on a good looking UI just like commercial phones would be great.. but if it's like going back 10 years in the past I guess this will be useless in the end Nov 25 23:43:51 but Android isn't just a big app isn't it? Nov 25 23:44:24 I like the way Android works.. but I read a lot on it and it seems like I shouldn't take that path and better go with something really open from the bootloader up to the GUI Nov 25 23:45:10 hi Nov 25 23:45:22 dent: hey Nov 25 23:46:25 I think I discovered a bug in SHR... but Im dead sleepy2fill a bug report Nov 25 23:47:01 but maybe somebody can try to reproduce... if it's real Nov 25 23:47:14 yeah Nov 25 23:48:33 thing is: the character '<' seems to break the messages app. Nov 25 23:48:58 ah Nov 25 23:49:07 i don't have a sim available atm Nov 25 23:49:11 not in the list of all smses (the preview) Nov 25 23:49:30 looks like i can't even open messages Nov 25 23:50:04 but when Ido "show", the text is truncated before first < Nov 25 23:51:40 I'll try to investigate tom., now Im half-sleeping,typing this in bed on my FR:) Nov 25 23:51:52 good night Nov 25 23:51:58 Spanska: no. android is not 1 pig app Nov 25 23:52:00 as i said Nov 25 23:52:05 in the past it has been that way Nov 25 23:52:14 only more recent higher-end devices that ruin winmobile Nov 25 23:52:30 and other "smartphones" like iphone allow multiple procs Nov 25 23:52:36 btw iphone is "1 app at a time" in the ui Nov 25 23:53:03 but as such e actually has a lot of what android has Nov 25 23:53:06 its just not "enabled" Nov 25 23:53:15 or its just a matter of doing a module to mimic it Nov 25 23:53:21 though i hate just mimicing some other ui Nov 25 23:53:29 its so unimaginative and unoriginal Nov 25 23:53:40 but as such thats pretty common in the linux/oss world Nov 25 23:53:55 the majority of stuff is mimicing/copying something already but just being "open" Nov 25 23:54:02 the focus is on making the src open Nov 25 23:54:09 not on being innovative on the ui etc. Nov 25 23:54:10 :) Nov 25 23:56:10 anyways;) Nov 25 23:56:44 I didn't say I want to copy it all.. but I don't see why I should take my inspiration the way others do it Nov 25 23:57:25 Ainulindale: I'll install SHR when I have some spare time and figure how to build a working environment and maybe I'll need your help with where to start for the telephony UI Nov 25 23:57:37 that would be a great project! Nov 25 23:57:45 I have to go now Nov 25 23:58:00 thanks for your comments/tips/advice everyone, I appreciate it! Nov 26 00:06:49 raster: did the "pig" instead of "big" voluntary? :-) Nov 26 00:07:15 stupid question, but how do I shut down shr clean without using a terminal? Nov 26 00:07:16 hahahahahaha Nov 26 00:07:22 meant big Nov 26 00:07:23 but hey Nov 26 00:07:24 pig works Nov 26 00:07:26 :P Nov 26 00:07:27 :) Nov 26 00:07:40 quatrox: right now you don't Nov 26 00:07:48 ok:) Nov 26 00:08:18 Ainulindale: speaking of that Nov 26 00:08:23 e has a solution Nov 26 00:08:26 its got a syscon panel now Nov 26 00:08:35 in illumes;' defautl power button pops it up Nov 26 00:08:45 it has shutdown/suspend/etc. etc. in it Nov 26 00:08:47 If you link the power settings to frameworkd I'll use that :-) Nov 26 00:08:57 (just tell me how to) Nov 26 00:09:27 you dont nedd to use it Nov 26 00:09:30 it gets used out of the box Nov 26 00:09:32 power button Nov 26 00:09:39 as long as it generates a keystroke in x Nov 26 00:09:41 which is does on asu Nov 26 00:09:50 doesnt on fso for whatever reason Nov 26 00:09:57 (last i checked) Nov 26 00:10:30 i need to fix up the etxra list api now so illume can register other actions to the syscon panel Nov 26 00:10:34 like close window Nov 26 00:10:35 home Nov 26 00:10:36 etc. Nov 26 00:11:36 right now i am not doing anything fso related Nov 26 00:11:49 as i'm cleaning up al lthe thngs in e17 Nov 26 00:11:56 knocking off todo's Nov 26 00:12:04 and if along the way i clean up bits for illume - thats good Nov 26 00:15:03 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rab8245ad43e3 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: tests: start with org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.* Nov 26 00:15:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r6b6064be9ffa 10/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' Nov 26 00:15:36 g'night Nov 26 00:16:44 raster: well FSO takes the power event for suspend Nov 26 00:17:49 its easy to do Nov 26 00:18:32 /etc/enlightenment/sysactions.conf Nov 26 00:18:39 defines how to suspend Nov 26 00:18:47 (or halty or reboot or hibernate) Nov 26 00:18:50 just a cmd-line Nov 26 00:19:06 so that just needs changing for fso to be a dbus-send thing Nov 26 00:20:37 dbus-send --system --dest=org.freesmartphone /path/whatever freesmartphone.Whatever param1type:param1 param2type:param2 ... Nov 26 00:20:57 right now you just get the defaults Nov 26 00:20:58 whihc are: Nov 26 00:21:04 action: halt /sbin/shutdown -h now Nov 26 00:21:08 action: suspend /etc/acpi/sleep.sh force Nov 26 00:21:25 (not sure hibernate and reboot are really useful so you can ignore them) Nov 26 00:28:49 Will you be there tomorrow to check that with me? Nov 26 00:29:05 Or is there any documentation I can look at? Nov 26 00:30:30 Well anyway, I have to get some sleep Nov 26 00:33:33 i'll be here Nov 26 00:34:01 Ok then Nov 26 00:34:03 Thanks for the suggestion Nov 26 00:34:06 It's interesting indeed Nov 26 00:34:14 Just so you kow Nov 26 00:34:15 +n Nov 26 00:34:29 I'm thinking about a way to define default settings for app Nov 26 00:34:36 In terms of brightness and suspend timeout Nov 26 00:34:45 If you have any idea about that Nov 26 00:34:49 I'm interested in any comment Nov 26 00:36:16 hmm Nov 26 00:36:27 as such its likely e will handle this anyway over time Nov 26 00:36:37 because i need to do it for laptops and desktops anyway Nov 26 00:36:46 That's what I thought Nov 26 00:36:52 just that no really common x standard exists for doing this Nov 26 00:37:07 so its a nasrty hack fo going behind c's back and playing with /proc/acpi/* stuff Nov 26 00:37:11 or a bunch of other things Nov 26 00:37:17 intel drivers support it via xrandr Nov 26 00:37:24 so i jsut havent looked at it yet Nov 26 00:37:34 but in the long run e needs to do this because its needed universally Nov 26 00:37:38 Playing with proc acpi ? I don't think so Nov 26 00:37:39 desktop, laptop or phone Nov 26 00:37:49 Just being able to target applications based on their categories or name would be a good thing Nov 26 00:37:53 my asus exposes backlight via acpi Nov 26 00:37:59 E launching this or that should be able to launch pre and post scripts Nov 26 00:38:02 its just an example Nov 26 00:38:24 oh e would just do it as part of display setup Nov 26 00:38:32 like it sets up screensaver timeout dpms and blankign Nov 26 00:38:53 Well anyway Nov 26 00:38:56 e also will do xrandr stuff to set up screen resolution (if you tell it to restor it on login) Nov 26 00:38:56 I truly have to sleep Nov 26 00:39:03 I'm tired as hell :-) Nov 26 00:39:05 so it's already doing all the other related stuff Nov 26 00:39:19 yeah Nov 26 00:39:21 go sleep! Nov 26 00:39:21 So I'll bug you tomorrow with this power thing Nov 26 00:39:25 but yes - i'm interested Nov 26 00:39:27 Thanks for the info :-) Nov 26 00:39:47 but right now from a system support view backlight brightness is a mess Nov 26 00:39:59 thus why its somewhere on the "within the field of thnigs to do" Nov 26 00:40:00 but not done Nov 26 01:00:08 * Weiss observes, randomly, that opkg only observes a package's dependencies when installing fresh (not when upgrading) Nov 26 01:00:11 is that normal? Nov 26 01:00:21 Ainulindale: just did an opkg update && opkg upgrade, and the clock + battery icons went back to default E look :/ Nov 26 01:01:16 and meh ... shutdown -h now ... still takes forever to comply Nov 26 01:01:21 x is being stubborn Nov 26 01:42:01 woah Nov 26 01:42:25 yes, back to default E look **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 26 02:59:57 2008