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Nov 27 07:22:19 <Sargun> When does mickey|zzZZzz wake up?
Nov 27 07:23:40 <Sargun> Any developers here?
Nov 27 08:05:49 <Sargun> hen did mickey|zzZZzz go to sleep 
Nov 27 08:55:19 <pooze1> anyone... could I get some help checking out the git-repository for the qtopia predictive keyboard? ( http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qtopia.git;a=blob;f=src/plugins/inputmethods/predictivekeyboard/predictivekeyboard.cpp;h=94ef081719d4a7af16e3f4e6dbc842031696ac9d;hb=master#l137 )
Nov 27 08:55:27 <pooze1> how can I find and understand the git-path I need to check out?
Nov 27 09:32:20 <tmzt> pooze1: it looks like git://git.openmoko.org/git/qtopia.git based on MokoMakefile
Nov 27 09:41:04 <Ainulindale> Is there a glib expert, here?
Nov 27 09:41:22 <alphaone> not expert, no
Nov 27 09:42:05 <Ainulindale> Heh :-)
Nov 27 09:42:16 <Ainulindale> I'm trying to build a dbus service provider
Nov 27 09:42:22 <Ainulindale> And it f ails on some g_object_new
Nov 27 09:42:32 <Ainulindale> I'm not sure about what could cause that
Nov 27 09:53:27 <pb__> Ainulindale: what's the failure?
Nov 27 09:53:58 <Ainulindale> well, segv.
Nov 27 09:54:13 <Ainulindale> No more info on that, I fear
Nov 27 09:54:36 <pb__> doh.  can you run it in gdb and see where it's blowing up?
Nov 27 09:54:39 <Ainulindale> I don't know if I have to register the object I created or something, of I wrote it somewhat wrongly
Nov 27 09:54:48 <Ainulindale> Did that, tried to instantiate my object by hand
Nov 27 09:54:53 <Ainulindale> Still segved
Nov 27 09:55:40 <pb__> is this a debugging build of glib, or production?
Nov 27 09:55:45 <pb__> if the latter, it would be worth trying again with debug
Nov 27 09:55:57 <Ainulindale> By debugging you mean -dbg?
Nov 27 09:56:14 <pb__> no, I mean glib being built with --enable-debug
Nov 27 09:56:44 <pb__> that will give you a useful diagnostic in a lot of cases that would otherwise just segfault
Nov 27 09:58:44 <alfa21> hi all*
Nov 27 09:59:40 <Ainulindale> pb__: hmmmmpf =)
Nov 27 09:59:49 <alfa21> could you please tell me how to get again the wrench tool icon in the hidden shelf to configure illume?
Nov 27 10:00:22 <alfa21> after an update it's gone away
Nov 27 10:01:42 <Ainulindale> raster: what did you broke again? 
Nov 27 10:03:11 <alfa21> may I modify some configuration file to do that? which file?
Nov 27 10:03:37 <sakkara> Ainulindale: could you change line 10 in /etc/mofi/connect.sh to "udhcpc eth0 -H `hostname`" so one can ssh with om-gta02 and not only ip
Nov 27 10:07:19 <Ainulindale> Already say I won't
Nov 27 10:07:22 <Ainulindale> Report that upstream
Nov 27 10:07:41 <Ainulindale> I have far too much things to do 
Nov 27 10:08:04 <Ainulindale> And I can't even speak proper english now it seems
Nov 27 10:17:48 <alfa21> every configuration file I see is in binary... how I'd modify them? any tool?
Nov 27 10:18:18 <alfa21> I'm looking into my ~/.e/
Nov 27 10:19:00 <Hire> sakkara: open a ticket.. ainulindale is busy
Nov 27 10:21:08 <Ainulindale> pb__: well
Nov 27 10:21:09 <Ainulindale> GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_new: assertion `G_TYPE_IS_OBJECT (object_type)' failed
Nov 27 10:21:47 <Ainulindale> (gdb) frame 5
Nov 27 10:21:47 <Ainulindale> #5  0x00000000004024a7 in ophonekitd_dbus_start () at ophonekitd-dbus.c:35
Nov 27 10:21:50 <Ainulindale> 35              GObject *object = g_object_new (object_type, NULL);
Nov 27 10:21:50 <Ainulindale> Isn't that nice?
Nov 27 10:21:52 <Ainulindale> (gdb) p object_type
Nov 27 10:21:55 <Ainulindale> No symbol "object_type" in current context.
Nov 27 10:22:51 <sakkara> ok, sorry, havn't seen your answer the last time
Nov 27 10:23:01 <mokel> will this patch ( http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1841/jbt6k74_no_deep_sleep.patch ) be in future shr kernels? or is there already a kernel with it?
Nov 27 10:27:42 <alexxy> hi all!
Nov 27 10:27:56 <alexxy> what happenes with daily images from downloads.openmoko.org/daily?
Nov 27 10:31:38 <methril> morning
Nov 27 10:37:43 <Ainulindale> pb__?
Nov 27 10:49:41 <raster> Ainulindale:  me - rien monsieur!
Nov 27 10:53:31 <pb__> Ainulindale: hm, right, so apparently the object_type pointer that you're passing is not in fact a valid GType.
Nov 27 10:53:42 <pb__> where are you getting that from?
Nov 27 10:54:29 <pb__> or, I suppose it might be a valid GType but not an object.
Nov 27 10:55:19 <pb__> you can't do g_object_new (G_TYPE_CHAR, ...) for example, it has to be a type derived from GObject.
Nov 27 11:06:02 <Ainulindale> pb__: I changed that and then had a SIGBUS :-/
Nov 27 11:06:42 <vininim_> mm.. why am I getting this: Not downgrading package gpsd on root from 2.34-r10.1 to 0.7+gitr26+898d7ae0a41df483d32ca010732d912436986fdd-r1.1.
Nov 27 11:08:13 <pb__> Ainulindale: doh, where does gdb say the SIGBUS is happening?
Nov 27 11:08:23 <Ainulindale>         dbus_g_object_type_install_info (object_type, info);
Nov 27 11:08:37 <Ainulindale> I'm happy to use glib, yaaaaaaay
Nov 27 11:08:59 <Ainulindale> pb__: by the ay
Nov 27 11:08:59 <Ainulindale> #0  0x00007fe79595fd7d in g_type_set_qdata () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
Nov 27 11:09:03 <Ainulindale> In there
Nov 27 11:09:04 <Ainulindale> +w
Nov 27 11:10:01 <pb__> looks like a bad pointer somewhere, I guess, but it's pretty hard to say what exactly would be wrong.
Nov 27 11:10:03 <pb__> welcome to C :-}
Nov 27 11:10:29 <Ainulindale> My problem isn't with C here, but with glib. Damn thing.
Nov 27 11:10:49 <pb__> it probably isn't glib's fault as such, it's just that C is inherently a fragile language in this way.
Nov 27 11:11:33 <Ainulindale> Yeah, I know, but I bet my problem comes from the fact that I don't know at all how to handle a GType
Nov 27 11:11:49 <pb__> yeah, probably :-}
Nov 27 11:12:17 <pb__> I'm pretty sure you must be doing something wrong with your type information but that crash doesn't give many clues as to what.
Nov 27 11:12:28 <pb__> is this a small piece of code you can put in a pastebin, or is it a big program?
Nov 27 11:12:41 <Ainulindale> Well, I can put that on pastebin but it'll be long
Nov 27 11:13:00 <pb__> might as well have a go, I guess.
Nov 27 11:13:16 <pb__> I don't have all that much time to look at it though, I have a board meeting at 15;00 and I need to do some work to prepare for it.
Nov 27 11:13:47 <pb__> still, put the code there and maybe I can spot something wrong with it.
Nov 27 11:15:01 <Ainulindale> pb__: http://pastebin.com/md750d3b
Nov 27 11:15:41 <Ainulindale> I have no clue there
Nov 27 11:24:37 <pb__> #
Nov 27 11:24:37 <pb__>         dbus_register_object (connection,
Nov 27 11:24:37 <pb__> #
Nov 27 11:24:37 <pb__>                 proxy,
Nov 27 11:24:37 <pb__> #
Nov 27 11:24:38 <pb__>                 OPHONEKITD_USAGE_SERVICE_NAME,
Nov 27 11:24:48 <pb__> surely that last line should be OPHONEKITD_TYPE_USAGE_SERVICE, right?
Nov 27 11:25:41 <pb__> I'm surprised the compiler didn't diagnose that for you, you shouldn't be able to get away with passing char* as GType.
Nov 27 11:25:59 <pb__> might be worth checking that you actually have compiler warnings enabled in your CFLAGS. :-}
Nov 27 11:51:32 <vininim_> hey guys, is it a bad idea to install a greater version of gtk+ from angstrom feeds? =X
Nov 27 11:55:52 <quickdev> Hey
Nov 27 11:59:05 <vininim_> the way I'm pulling dependences I'm going to end up with angstrom (if opkg doesn't get borked in the process)
Nov 27 12:02:25 <Hire> hey quickdev
Nov 27 12:24:50 <Weiss> vininim_: going from what version to what other version?
Nov 27 12:25:47 <vininim_> Weiss: going to 2.14 from what is in shr
Nov 27 12:27:39 <Weiss> that's 2.10.14 i think. the jump to 2.14 involves pulling in quite a lot of new stuff. why are you trying to upgrade?
Nov 27 12:27:46 <Weiss> (curiosity)
Nov 27 12:35:45 <pooze1> thanks, tmzt... I have a checked out (or cloned) qtopia git-tree now.
Nov 27 12:41:00 <Ainulindale> Yay, my dbus server is at last booting
Nov 27 12:41:17 <Ainulindale> Viiru: yes it's a bad idea
Nov 27 12:51:59 <Ainulindale> hmmm
Nov 27 12:52:03 <Ainulindale> I was talking to vininim
Nov 27 12:52:07 <Ainulindale> Sorry Viiru 
Nov 27 12:58:25 <gromgull> Can any tell me why my new python package .bb file tells me | ImportError: No module named setuptools
Nov 27 12:58:32 <gromgull> it seems to work for other packages using setuptools :( 
Nov 27 13:00:04 <Ainulindale> You inherited setuptools?
Nov 27 13:00:28 <quickdev> Ainulindale, what are you trying with dbus? ;)
Nov 27 13:00:37 <quickdev> hey btw. ;)
Nov 27 13:00:47 <quickdev> ah..ophonekitd dbus :)
Nov 27 13:00:58 <gromgull> Ainulindale: yes, I copied most of the .bb from another package
Nov 27 13:02:59 <gromgull> oh hang on - i only inherit distutils
Nov 27 13:03:14 <gromgull> Ah - all questions have simple answers!
Nov 27 13:03:15 <gromgull> :) 
Nov 27 13:03:16 <gromgull> thanks
Nov 27 13:03:49 <Ainulindale> quickdev: yes, and it's almost done
Nov 27 13:03:57 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I did a basic usage object
Nov 27 13:04:05 <Ainulindale> which will be able to request/release/get state
Nov 27 13:04:10 <Zorkman> starling keeps segfaulting on me, is this a known problem? (it used to work..)
Nov 27 13:04:11 <Ainulindale> (from the point of view of ophonekitd)
Nov 27 13:04:59 <quickdev> great
Nov 27 13:05:10 <Ainulindale> It'll be easy for you to add primitives to call screens
Nov 27 13:19:08 <Ainulindale> quickdev: do you remember which params i have to call dbus-monitor with to see method calls?
Nov 27 13:19:43 <quickdev> dbus-monitor --system type=* or something like that..
Nov 27 13:20:12 <Ainulindale> nope
Nov 27 13:21:43 <effbiai> using SHR. does Mofi only support secured networks? the "Connect to selected" buttun hangs when trying to connect to an unsecured network as it is pushed down, and nothing happens. I've also checked /var/log/messages on the dhcp server, no dhcp discover from the phone there eather. using latest image - but i've seen this earlier on an different open network before. i connected a WEP network at work today.. and that worked flawlessly.
Nov 27 13:23:38 <Ainulindale> quickdev: hey that's weird
Nov 27 13:23:43 <Ainulindale> If I release the GSM resource
Nov 27 13:23:45 <Ainulindale> I have that
Nov 27 13:23:46 <Ainulindale> Failed to handle dbus error: User :1.54 already requested GSM, 76 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32
Nov 27 13:23:57 <Ainulindale> Though the resource is truly released
Nov 27 13:24:33 <quickdev> I don't know. Maybe a frameworkd bug..
Nov 27 13:24:41 <Ainulindale> that's weird
Nov 27 13:25:47 <DocScrutinizer2> quark is very much on the point ;-)
Nov 27 13:27:27 <DocScrutinizer2> Ainulindale: maybe framework tries to open resource, to tell it "i'm going to close you now" :-D
Nov 27 13:28:30 <Ainulindale> http://pastebin.com/m4cdc2b0b <= see that
Nov 27 13:28:55 <Ainulindale> Can't even understand why it fails in the first place, but hey
Nov 27 13:28:59 <Ainulindale> That is surely my fault
Nov 27 13:29:20 <quickdev> Ainulindale, are the frameworkd logs ok?
Nov 27 13:30:35 <gromgull> One other question: What is the difference between depends and rdepends on the bb file? 
Nov 27 13:30:42 <Ainulindale> Yep, though the release doesn't get through
Nov 27 13:30:53 <Ainulindale> gromgull: depends are necessary to build, rdepends are necessary to run
Nov 27 13:31:07 <gromgull> easy answer again, thanks!
Nov 27 13:33:37 <Ainulindale> quickdev: solved
Nov 27 13:33:43 <Ainulindale> this was an ipk wrongly overwritten =)
Nov 27 13:33:44 <Ainulindale> WEll
Nov 27 13:33:49 <Ainulindale> This is working well
Nov 27 13:33:56 <quickdev> fine
Nov 27 13:34:22 <Ainulindale> Though we'll have to implement the error messages from ousaged
Nov 27 13:34:30 <Ainulindale> But now I'm able to disable GSM
Nov 27 13:34:35 <Ainulindale> from the POV of ophonekitd
Nov 27 13:35:30 <Ainulindale> let see if it suspends
Nov 27 13:35:36 <DocScrutinizer2> Ainulindale: why "quark" and not "bullsh1t"?
Nov 27 13:35:49 <Ainulindale> Just to piss you off :-)
Nov 27 13:35:52 <Ainulindale> That's a convention DocScrutinizer2 
Nov 27 13:36:11 <DocScrutinizer2> :-D
Nov 27 13:37:11 <DocScrutinizer2> sorry, feel silly today :)
Nov 27 13:37:20 <Ainulindale> No need to be sorry
Nov 27 13:37:25 <Ainulindale> I know you're a tad silly anyway
Nov 27 13:37:54 <DocScrutinizer2> lol, how did you realize? XD
Nov 27 13:41:42 <Ainulindale> :-)
Nov 27 13:42:28 <Ainulindale> Aaaaaaaaand
Nov 27 13:42:31 <Ainulindale> auto suspend still works
Nov 27 13:42:38 <Ainulindale> even with the GSM off
Nov 27 13:42:51 <DocScrutinizer2> without WSOD?
Nov 27 13:42:57 <Ainulindale> no wsod here
Nov 27 13:43:58 <DocScrutinizer2> we even had with the "no-deep-suspend patch" which in fact isn't a patch to fix anything for good
Nov 27 13:44:31 <DocScrutinizer2> well, at least we are able to reproduce now, here in TPE
Nov 27 13:44:32 <Ainulindale> quickdev? Will you be able to test my stuff?
Nov 27 13:44:40 <Ainulindale> That's a good thing
Nov 27 13:45:02 <quickdev> Ainulindale, not atm, but later, yes
Nov 27 13:45:04 <DocScrutinizer2> yup
Nov 27 13:45:27 <Ainulindale> quickdev: ok :-)
Nov 27 13:46:01 <DocScrutinizer2> so next thing is to trace down if it's lcm that borks, or glamo that stops video out
Nov 27 13:47:05 <DocScrutinizer2> then (if lcm) we're going to tweak and twiddle all timing and maybe even driver voltage settings
Nov 27 13:47:35 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer2: you're going to make me very happy :D
Nov 27 13:48:08 <DocScrutinizer2> mrmoku: that's my job, no? :-)
Nov 27 13:48:31 <mrmoku> heh :)
Nov 27 13:49:03 * mrmoku feels important now knowing that people get paid to make him happy ;)
Nov 27 13:51:27 <DocScrutinizer2> actually that's a part of my duty as well
Nov 27 13:53:08 <gromgull> Does anyone know anything about python-ctypes? It seems to rely on external tools to load libraries, for instance objdump... this in the binutils package, but only as arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-objdump
Nov 27 13:53:20 <gromgull> Symlinking it to objdump makes python-ctypes work much better
Nov 27 13:53:24 <gromgull> i.e. "work at all"
Nov 27 14:14:55 <Ainulindale> 14:48:08 < DocScrutinizer2> mrmoku: that's my job, no? :-) <= I knew you were a hooker :-)
Nov 27 14:17:23 <DocScrutinizer2> well, every job is kinda prostitution. Actually this one less than any other job I did before :)
Nov 27 14:17:53 <DocScrutinizer2> btw, thanks for the TZ :-D
Nov 27 14:22:23 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: somebody should cleanup BuildingSHR in the wiki
Nov 27 14:23:29 <mrmoku> I could do it, but if you expect the rest of rasters stuff to be included in OE anytime soon
Nov 27 14:23:34 <mrmoku> maybe it's not worth it
Nov 27 14:24:56 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: it is already in OE
Nov 27 14:25:55 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: for the TZ?
Nov 27 14:26:39 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: ahh, so you diff is obsolete... shall I wipe out the rasterpatches part in the wiki?
Nov 27 14:27:01 <DocScrutinizer2> Ainulindale> 14:48:08
Nov 27 14:27:01 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: my diff isn't obsolete
Nov 27 14:27:23 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: oh, you needed a reminder how the hour? :-)
Nov 27 14:27:39 <mrmoku> Thats what I ment though - change the wiki to explain how to apply your diff instead of the obsolete rasterpatches...
Nov 27 14:27:41 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: my diff has no relation to raster patches
Nov 27 14:27:54 <Ainulindale> Well sad to say mrmoku 
Nov 27 14:27:58 <DocScrutinizer2> here it's quite different. so now I'm aware of your TZ
Nov 27 14:27:59 <Ainulindale> I seriously have no time for that now :-)
Nov 27 14:28:09 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: what time is it?
Nov 27 14:28:11 <Ainulindale> Smoke o' clock?
Nov 27 14:28:58 <DocScrutinizer2> [22:25] <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: what time is it?
Nov 27 14:29:54 <Ainulindale> nice :-)
Nov 27 14:34:48 <Ainulindale> well quickdev 
Nov 27 14:34:56 <DPThought> CET FTW *g*
Nov 27 14:35:04 <Ainulindale> retried my thing, now gsm is totally manageable
Nov 27 14:35:50 <quickdev> well done :)
Nov 27 14:35:56 <Zorkman> Ainulindale: if starling keeps sefgaulting on me, is the shr track a good place to report it or not?
Nov 27 14:43:06 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 27 14:45:11 <Zorkman> ok
Nov 27 14:45:52 <Ainulindale> quickdev: Ok, regenerating, hoping this will work as supposed
Nov 27 14:54:18 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, quickdev: I updated BuildingSHR in the wiki - somebody should remove the file attachment
Nov 27 15:03:26 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I got ophonekitd running on my host
Nov 27 15:03:42 <quickdev> I patched dbus to make tcp connections usable
Nov 27 15:03:47 <quickdev> it's working great :)
Nov 27 15:04:12 <Ainulindale> quickdev: Interested in an howto
Nov 27 15:04:34 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I'll do that
Nov 27 15:06:22 <Ainulindale> quickdev: latest ophonekitd and shr-settings are there
Nov 27 15:06:26 <Ainulindale> If you're willing to give it a try
Nov 27 15:06:27 <quickdev> great
Nov 27 15:06:44 <Ainulindale> trying to see if it works too
Nov 27 15:07:13 <Ainulindale> later tonight I plan to do a full power settings app
Nov 27 15:07:35 <Ainulindale> By the way it seems to work nice here
Nov 27 15:07:59 <Ainulindale> <= happy :-)
Nov 27 15:13:39 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: hey there. Ophonekitd is going dbus =)
Nov 27 15:13:51 <mickeyl> yay, congrats
Nov 27 15:14:15 <Ainulindale> I think we're bound to do dbus calls for UI functionnalities now
Nov 27 15:14:45 <quickdev> mickeyl, I succeeded in setting up frameworkd on my neo and using a dbus connection to it
Nov 27 15:14:47 <quickdev> it works great
Nov 27 15:14:51 <Ainulindale> well guys
Nov 27 15:14:52 <Ainulindale> going home
Nov 27 15:14:53 <Ainulindale> see you
Nov 27 15:15:08 <quickdev> see you Ainulindale 
Nov 27 15:15:54 <mickeyl> quickdev: wow, cool!
Nov 27 15:16:50 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: hi i am back online , move to aalborg complete and  now equipped with stabel internet connection 
Nov 27 15:17:50 <mickeyl> welcome back
Nov 27 15:17:58 <mickeyl> what are you doing in Aalborg?
Nov 27 15:18:02 <mickeyl> I'll be there next march
Nov 27 15:22:14 <quickdev> mickeyl, for developing frameworkd it would be better to proxy the device files, but for developing applications based on frameworkd it's great
Nov 27 15:25:00 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: girlfriend hat got an job as assistant prof at aau  , so i moved with her and now job seeking ...
Nov 27 15:25:44 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: fso deveopment still on fokus for gat01 ? 
Nov 27 15:27:59 <mickeyl> `pwgen`: not focus, but we still support 01, yea
Nov 27 15:28:24 <mickeyl> focus is still 02, but will move to 03 ok, mal %SLEEP ausschalten etc.
Nov 27 15:28:29 <mickeyl> oops
Nov 27 15:29:35 <`pwgen`> mickeyl: cause  there are some things still not working ... ( battery applet, by default  no bluetooth , and some other things )
Nov 27 15:30:51 <`pwgen`> mickeyl:  *G* i build it 2 days ago and was wondering about complete  new  ui 
Nov 27 15:31:32 <quickdev> `pwgen`, have you ever tried SHR?
Nov 27 15:32:03 <`pwgen`> ... still building ... task 755 of 5820 ... 
Nov 27 15:33:06 <mickeyl> `pwgen`: no idea about UI
Nov 27 15:33:11 <mickeyl> my focus in services
Nov 27 15:34:35 <AndreasD> `pwgen`: Cool, I live in Aalborg! What do you do for a living?
Nov 27 15:34:40 <AndreasD> `pwgen`: Actually I'm still a student at aau :-)
Nov 27 15:36:58 <`pwgen`> AndreasD: as i mentioned my girlfriend worked at aau , as "family" you will be allowd to get a residence permit 
Nov 27 15:38:26 <`pwgen`> AdreadD: as inhabitant of the EU its more easy to get  residence permit , there where 4 reasons to get it
Nov 27 15:39:24 <`pwgen`> AdreadD:  enough money, or a job , or family with familymember with job, or freelancer with job
Nov 27 15:40:08 <`pwgen`> s/AdreadD/AndreasD/
Nov 27 15:40:44 <AndreasD> `pwgen`: okay, you don't have any job yet? And what is your profession?
Nov 27 15:40:51 <`pwgen`> LINUX
Nov 27 15:40:53 <dolf1074> quickdev: I'm now using new icons in the messages prog. Do I have to put the icons in the 'libframe-phonegui-efl' map, the 'shr-theme' map or in the 'openmoko-messages3' map?
Nov 27 15:41:27 <quickdev> depends what icons ;)
Nov 27 15:41:33 <quickdev> atm I'm revamping the dialer UI :)
Nov 27 15:41:57 <dolf1074> icons for next to the inbox and one for 'new message'
Nov 27 15:42:21 <quickdev> could you make a screenshot? :)
Nov 27 15:42:24 <dolf1074> quickdev: nice, you're own revamping or following my mockups? (just curious, I'm not gonna shoot you :) )
Nov 27 15:42:44 <dolf1074> quickdev: not yet,  I still have to implement them 
Nov 27 15:42:51 <quickdev> dolf1074, mainly following your mockups :)
Nov 27 15:43:00 <`pwgen`> AndreasD: what are you studing at aau ?
Nov 27 15:43:03 <Dave> dolf is the man?
Nov 27 15:43:14 <dolf1074> quickdev: so where should I put them?
Nov 27 15:43:25 <AndreasD> `pwgen`: computer science ;-)
Nov 27 15:43:30 <Dave> heh
Nov 27 15:43:41 <`pwgen`> AndreasD: casiopeia ?  
Nov 27 15:43:56 <AndreasD> `pwgen: yes 
Nov 27 15:44:09 <quickdev> dolf1074, could you save them in the trac as a ticket?
Nov 27 15:44:14 <dolf1074> this are the icons: http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shr2/icons/
Nov 27 15:44:19 <`pwgen`> AndreasD: lets meet tomorrow at foobar or fklubben 
Nov 27 15:45:11 <`pwgen`> ... have some beer ...
Nov 27 15:45:17 <dolf1074> quickdev: I'm willing to implement them myself ;)
Nov 27 15:45:34 <dolf1074> I just need a location where they should belong
Nov 27 15:46:26 <quickdev> then you have to wait till I commit my new stuff :)
Nov 27 15:47:14 <dolf1074> heh?
Nov 27 15:49:01 <AndreasD> `pwgen`:okay, what's your phone number?
Nov 27 15:49:33 <dolf1074> I'm will not commit something. I'm just busy in my local area and want to place those icons in the right directory, so I can hand you a diff when it's ready
Nov 27 15:51:06 <`pwgen`> AndreasD: i actual have no gsm ( useing base in dk is too expensive )  maybe you can reach me under my german voip number 
Nov 27 15:59:13 <bumbl> quickdev: what will be in your cool new stuff?
Nov 27 16:00:01 <quickdev> you'll see...don't know which features I'll add till the next commit ;)
Nov 27 16:04:30 <Ainulindale> Hey there again
Nov 27 16:04:34 <Ainulindale> Well, home at last
Nov 27 16:04:51 <mrmoku> home sweet home :-)
Nov 27 16:04:53 <Ainulindale> I think I earned some time to relax
Nov 27 16:04:54 <Dave> Ainu :)
Nov 27 16:05:03 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: good ;)
Nov 27 16:05:07 * Dave offers Ainulindale some turkey
Nov 27 16:05:10 <Ainulindale> Next thing, I'll be doing the power settings things
Nov 27 16:05:16 <Ainulindale> Dave: Meh
Nov 27 16:05:20 <Ainulindale> Turkey is a bit dry
Nov 27 16:05:29 <Ainulindale> (Both the country and the animal)
Nov 27 16:06:16 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: FYI
Nov 27 16:06:28 <Ainulindale> DBus-Glib as a service provider is as much explicit as opimd
Nov 27 16:07:09 <Dave> heehee
Nov 27 16:07:48 <mickeyl> explicit?
Nov 27 16:07:55 <Ainulindale> Understandable as is
Nov 27 16:08:17 <mickeyl> is that good or bad? :D
Nov 27 16:08:17 <mwester> Ainulindale:  you need to brine turkey.
Nov 27 16:08:25 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: bad indeed
Nov 27 16:08:31 <Ainulindale> But thanks to a bunch of peoploe
Nov 27 16:08:32 <Ainulindale> -o
Nov 27 16:08:35 <Ainulindale> I managed to spot my errors
Nov 27 16:08:41 <mwester> (the bird, dunno but I don't think brining the country would work.
Nov 27 16:08:43 <mwester> )
Nov 27 16:08:59 <Ainulindale> mwester: brining?
Nov 27 16:09:30 <Ainulindale> mwester: is latest working for you by the way?
Nov 27 16:09:33 <mwester> salt water marinade
Nov 27 16:09:38 <Ainulindale> Yuk
Nov 27 16:09:41 <Ainulindale> Salt water
Nov 27 16:09:44 <mwester> latest as of a couple of days ago worked great.
Nov 27 16:10:05 <Ainulindale> I though you tried the one from yesterday
Nov 27 16:10:07 <Ainulindale> +t
Nov 27 16:10:10 <mwester> Yep - salt water -- turkey and pork need it.
Nov 27 16:10:23 <Ainulindale> mwester: I'd rather use fat for that
Nov 27 16:10:35 <Ainulindale> WHen I was little we used to let a piece of fat drip on the pork in the chimney
Nov 27 16:10:42 <Ainulindale> Man that was good
Nov 27 16:12:30 <Ainulindale> Currently upgrading to test
Nov 27 16:13:02 <Dave> o.O
Nov 27 16:13:08 <Dave> eww fat
Nov 27 16:13:41 <Ainulindale> Fat is the thing giving your meat its flavor
Nov 27 16:13:54 <Ainulindale> With great fat comes great resp^Wflavor
Nov 27 16:15:55 <Dave> hehe
Nov 27 16:19:49 <Ainulindale> quickdev: I'm going to investigate this sysconv module before the power settings I think
Nov 27 16:20:01 <quickdev> ok :)
Nov 27 16:20:08 <Ainulindale> Don't know if you tried it yourself
Nov 27 16:20:11 <quickdev> Have to leave now...football match :)
Nov 27 16:20:23 <quickdev> I didn't try it yet
Nov 27 16:20:31 <Ainulindale> Football, damn
Nov 27 16:20:39 <Ainulindale> What a youngster
Nov 27 16:21:44 <quickdev> are you practicing no sports?
Nov 27 16:21:53 <Ainulindale> Squash & golf from time to time
Nov 27 16:21:59 <quickdev> hehe
Nov 27 16:22:25 <mw|> hmm: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.27.7 commit ccc737870153d1b73c99f3bcfafc6e09ea6b718b does effect us, doesn't it?
Nov 27 16:22:42 <mw|> (just looking through changelogs)
Nov 27 16:22:55 <Ainulindale> Damn, get a life :-)
Nov 27 16:23:30 <Dave> hah
Nov 27 16:24:05 <mw|> hehe
Nov 27 16:24:35 <mw|> Just wondered if I needed to upgrade my laptop or not :-p
Nov 27 16:25:00 <quickdev> afk
Nov 27 16:25:43 <Ainulindale> Damn, no more wrench in illume
Nov 27 16:25:53 <Dave> What happened to it?
Nov 27 16:26:14 <Ainulindale> She went out with raster
Nov 27 16:26:18 <Ainulindale> Ah, no, that was the wench
Nov 27 16:26:22 <Dave> hhaha
Nov 27 16:26:24 <Dave> ;D
Nov 27 16:35:24 <dolf1074> Just an idea: I think it should be nice to have a default behavior for getting back. For example for get from the inbox folder to the messages folders. Now we always have to implement a 'back' button that takes up space. I suggest we take sliding from right to left as default back behavior. Comments?  
Nov 27 16:36:35 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * re9b54e833f84 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: tests: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.[ListProviders|RegisterWithProvider] done
Nov 27 16:36:36 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * raa9ba0cf7d91 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: tests: org.freesmartphone.Retrieve[Phonebook|Messagebook] done
Nov 27 16:36:46 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r458c30317a69 10/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
Nov 27 16:38:33 <vininim> it's funny how turning GPS while on bus get a fix faster than in my bedroom stationary
Nov 27 16:39:51 <bumbl> yep
Nov 27 16:40:27 <bumbl> the fastest time i ever got a ff i was in a car @130 km/h
Nov 27 16:40:55 <vininim> leel
Nov 27 16:44:00 <dcordes-kais> mickeyl ping
Nov 27 16:44:04 <Weiss> my record was about 15 seconds, when standing out in the open at a bus stop in the middle of nowhere
Nov 27 16:48:32 <mickeyl> dcordes-kais: pöng
Nov 27 16:48:39 <mickeyl> dcordes-kais: progress?
Nov 27 16:56:11 <Dave> swee
Nov 27 17:08:20 <dcordes-kais> mickeyl ne hab gestern noch ein fso-console-image gestartet und hab probleme die python helpers zu bauen
Nov 27 17:08:48 <dcordes-kais> und zwar probiert bitbake von einer komischen angstrom url zuf etchen
Nov 27 17:09:22 <dcordes-kais> angstrom-distribution.org.git://git....
Nov 27 17:14:47 <mickeyl> that's normal
Nov 27 17:14:53 <mickeyl> it tries the cache first
Nov 27 17:15:09 <mickeyl> if that fails, then it downloads from SRC_URI
Nov 27 17:15:40 <mickeyl> did it?
Nov 27 17:25:00 <dcordes-kais> mickeyl I can't tell now. will check when back home. I do know it fails on do_fetch
Nov 27 17:31:02 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rcd90c97cbc7f 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (modems/abstract/mediator.py objects.py): ogsmd: fix unimplemented method org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetNetworkCountryCode() -> ss
Nov 27 17:31:03 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r8805db9320d2 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/error.py: otapi: fix bogus error namespaces
Nov 27 17:31:04 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rbeadf3939ddd 10framework/tests/ (org.freesmartphone.GSM.py test.py): tests: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetNetworkCountryCode() done
Nov 27 17:34:14 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rde2f5ce2f837 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
Nov 27 17:34:14 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
Nov 27 17:34:14 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: Conflicts:
Nov 27 17:34:14 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org:  framework/subsystems/ogsmd/device.py
Nov 27 17:34:14 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org:  framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py
Nov 27 17:40:44 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r5fc078057dc7 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: fix crossreference in org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.IncomingMessage
Nov 27 17:41:19 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r9a448c5cff5f 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: fix name for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetNetworkCountryCode()
Nov 27 17:43:47 <Lo-lan-do> Hi all.  I'm not a developer (so I'll go pester #openmoko if you tell me to), but I'd like to help debug the WSOD I get rather reliably on my GTA02v5 running Debian.  How can I be of use?
Nov 27 17:44:25 <bumbl> Lo-lan-do: give your neo into the fridge :p
Nov 27 17:44:47 <mickeyl> Lo-lan-do: on suspend or during standard operation?
Nov 27 17:45:08 <Lo-lan-do> On resume after a long suspend.
Nov 27 17:46:20 <Lo-lan-do> Like, every morning since last Tuesday when I installed Debian, plus a couple of times during the day yesterday.
Nov 27 17:47:15 <Lo-lan-do> But always after a suspend period longer than "oh, let's see if I get the WSOD this time *suspend* lalala, grab coffee *resume* good, not this time".
Nov 27 17:53:14 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rb5aaa36de547 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: add missing 'reason' parameter in org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetCallForwarding()
Nov 27 17:57:23 <Dave> oh nice
Nov 27 17:57:33 <Dave> I wonder what happens to the freerunner when frozen
Nov 27 17:59:56 <Zorkman> some people did some tests with cold temperatures (to find the cause of the WSOD) ^^
Nov 27 18:02:10 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rc832bb514cba 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: tests: org.freesmartphone.[Get|Set]CallingIdentification() done
Nov 27 18:02:22 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rec3c0647d8a1 10/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
Nov 27 18:03:11 <bumbl> Dave: have you read mwesters anecdote to that topic?
Nov 27 18:03:25 <Lo-lan-do> Um.  Winter is here and I haven't started the heating yet, but my office still doesn't go under 16 °C, so I fervently hope this isn't related...
Nov 27 18:03:45 <Dave> no...
Nov 27 18:03:54 <Dave> oh yeah, the temp thing
Nov 27 18:03:56 <Dave> yeah it's bogus
Nov 27 18:04:05 <bumbl> Dave: the one with his wife
Nov 27 18:05:07 <Dave> What?
Nov 27 18:06:04 <Zorkman> ??
Nov 27 18:06:08 <dent> ???
Nov 27 18:06:23 <dent> wrong channel, ehm :)
Nov 27 18:08:05 <sicu> mickey is a busy man =]
Nov 27 18:09:13 <mickey|ezx> indeed
Nov 27 18:09:23 <mickey|ezx> stuff won't get done if you wait for it ;)
Nov 27 18:14:59 <sicu> true ;]
Nov 27 18:40:14 <MarcOChapeau> good evenin' mokos :-)
Nov 27 18:43:36 <Zorkman> evening
Nov 27 19:25:16 * Lo-lan-do resumes his FR after an hour and a half
Nov 27 19:25:21 <Lo-lan-do> ...and gets a WSOD :-(
Nov 27 19:27:45 <sicu> :/
Nov 27 19:38:20 <Lo-lan-do> It really seems that the amount of time between suspend and resume triggers it.
Nov 27 19:44:35 <TAsn> I never experienced the wsod bug. ;]
Nov 27 19:44:48 <TAsn> doesn't matter how much time the phone was suspended.
Nov 27 19:47:48 <nio_> Hey guys, I found this page with some info and tips on power management in linux. It's at http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/power/good_practises.html . Maybe it's got a few useful tips to use for the OpenMoko.
Nov 27 19:47:50 <Lo-lan-do> The worst part is I have no idea where to start debugging/exploring :-/
Nov 27 19:51:27 <Zorkman> nio_: your url doesn't exist
Nov 27 19:51:59 <Lo-lan-do> Fix the speling and it does.
Nov 27 19:57:51 <nio_> Zorkman: whoops, sorry, had to type it over :)
Nov 27 19:58:44 <nio_> but indeed, what Lo-lan-do said, it should be practices, not practises..
Nov 27 20:00:17 <bumbl> nio_: hmm openmoko powermanagemant can't be improved that much anymore afaik (what is missing is dynamic cpufreqs and a close of #1024)
Nov 27 20:03:03 <nio_> Hmmz, ah well, you never know. :) And tickless kernels, perhaps that can improve things? Well I'm no expert on this so I'll shut up now..)
Nov 27 20:03:53 <Lo-lan-do> Tickless apps in userspace are useful, too.
Nov 27 20:05:53 <nio_> One advantage of this energy saving al gore climate change hype nowadays, the software out there, or at least the kernel, is likely to get more efficient.
Nov 27 20:07:21 <bumbl> yep
Nov 27 20:09:05 <Weiss> nio_, Zorkman: http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/power/good_practices.html
Nov 27 20:09:19 <Zorkman> yeah already read it now, thanks anyway
Nov 27 20:10:02 <Zorkman> my shr behaves very weird lately: screen blanks, and nothing i do can bring it back on, the phone is not suspended because i can still ssh and use x11vnc to send sms's
Nov 27 20:10:31 <Zorkman> pressing the powerbutton does nothing
Nov 27 20:10:41 <Zorkman> the FR was constantly plugged into usb
Nov 27 20:17:41 <Sargun> hey
Nov 27 20:17:51 <von_fritz> Zorkman when phone is plugged on usb, it w'ont suspend.
Nov 27 20:19:10 <Zorkman> von_fritz: i know
Nov 27 20:19:21 <Zorkman> but the screen blank, although it isn't suspended
Nov 27 20:19:36 <Zorkman> x11vnc does show me everything
Nov 27 20:20:07 <Ainulindale> Did you recently do an opkg update upgrade?
Nov 27 20:20:23 <Ainulindale> Pushing a bunch of e things
Nov 27 20:22:18 <Zorkman> jup
Nov 27 20:22:23 <Zorkman> e-wm stuff
Nov 27 20:22:24 <Ainulindale> Did you reboot?
Nov 27 20:22:27 <Zorkman> yes
Nov 27 20:22:31 <Zorkman> several times
Nov 27 20:22:40 <Ainulindale> Then I don't know
Nov 27 20:23:11 <Zorkman> i'll try to see if i can reproduce it with a few simple steps, seems a bit random at first sight so that won't help you guys
Nov 27 20:23:58 <Zorkman> in the meantime, how do i edit the framworkd.conf file to set SHR to not suspend? (only manually)
Nov 27 20:24:29 <Ainulindale> You don't have to edit 
Nov 27 20:24:35 <Ainulindale> Use the settings and disable suspend
Nov 27 20:24:48 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rc2f981e44113 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/const.py modems/freescale_neptune/mediator.py): 
Nov 27 20:24:48 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] fix PDU patterns for +CGML and +CGMR
Nov 27 20:24:48 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: This fixes org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook and
Nov 27 20:24:48 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessage
Nov 27 20:24:50 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r90d42d546ae7 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: improve standard compliance in org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetAuthCodeRequired()
Nov 27 20:24:54 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r618cc1ea5376 10framework/docs/ogsmd/freescale_neptune/modem: document some new neptune quirks
Nov 27 20:24:57 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r0f385d322734 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/freescale_neptune/mediator.py: ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] add custom mediators for org.freesmartphone.GSM.CB.[Get|Set]CellBroadcastSubscriptions
Nov 27 20:25:05 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbd214ae2f96c 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
Nov 27 20:25:16 <Hire> so much commits
Nov 27 20:25:28 <mickey|ezx> you say that if it was a bad thing
Nov 27 20:25:33 <Hire> mickey is a k-k-k-k-k-illing spreeeee
Nov 27 20:26:06 <Hire> it isn't a bad thing :D
Nov 27 20:26:11 * Kensan applauds mickey|ezx 
Nov 27 20:26:53 <mickey|ezx> ezx week is better than i thought
Nov 27 20:27:22 <mickey|ezx> i'd say roughly 60% of org.freesmartphone.GSM.* is supported by Neptune now
Nov 27 20:27:24 <bumbl> yep
Nov 27 20:27:33 <bumbl> quite productive mickey|ezx
Nov 27 20:28:26 <von_fritz> mickey|ezx how is the support for the a1200 ?
Nov 27 20:28:35 <MarcOChapeau> mickey|ezx: Good evening :-) some spare time for a quick question ?
Nov 27 20:29:07 <mickey|ezx> von_fritz: modem-wise same as first gen, i did not see any differences yet
Nov 27 20:29:21 <mickey|ezx> von_fritz: full FSO support i'd say 30%
Nov 27 20:29:24 <mickey|ezx> MarcOChapeau: sure
Nov 27 20:30:44 <Lo-lan-do> Pardon me for being a newbie here, but ezx==?
Nov 27 20:30:53 <Kensan> Lo-lan-do: openezx.org
Nov 27 20:30:56 <MarcOChapeau> mickey|ezx: I had an issue several time with receiving text messages. it seems it takes a hell of a long time to wake the phone, it doesn't always right and does not get back to sleep unless I acknowledge the message. do you have any insight on which part of the whole picture needs some fixing ?
Nov 27 20:31:22 <MarcOChapeau> damn.... s/always right/always ring/
Nov 27 20:31:29 <Lo-lan-do> Nice
Nov 27 20:31:39 <bumbl> mickey|ezx: although my priority would be to have opimd ready soon (because the only thing which my current mobile has which the neo hasn't is pim (messages, contacts, calender)
Nov 27 20:32:31 <Kensan> bumbl: give this man a break, he's been writing documentatin and test for christs sake!
Nov 27 20:32:35 <Kensan> ;)
Nov 27 20:33:03 <mickey|ezx> MarcOChapeau: (assuming you run FSO middleware), there's still some hickups with AT messages that are in the fifo that get mixed up with responses for the unsolicited channel reinit on wakeup
Nov 27 20:33:12 <Ainulindale> Hire: Would you be so kind as to ask raster how to get the wrench back in latest illume?
Nov 27 20:33:16 <Ainulindale> I'm going to bed
Nov 27 20:33:17 <Ainulindale> I'm exhausted
Nov 27 20:33:20 <mickey|ezx> MarcOChapeau: i think i know what to do, but it will take some time to fix this properly
Nov 27 20:33:22 <mickey|ezx> Ainulindale: sleep well
Nov 27 20:33:26 <Hire> sure Ainulindale :)
Nov 27 20:33:26 <dcordes> Kensan, hi
Nov 27 20:33:30 <Ainulindale> Thanks
Nov 27 20:33:33 <Hire> i will do that, don't worry ;)
Nov 27 20:34:05 <Kensan> dcordes: hi there
Nov 27 20:34:10 <mickey|ezx> bumbl: the drama with opimd is that the man (abraxa) is superbusy and I don't want to take it away from him until he's been given a chance to pick it up. i just received a new lifesign and will meet him next week though
Nov 27 20:34:26 <Kensan> mickey|ezx: that's great news.
Nov 27 20:34:34 <bumbl> abraxa is alive
Nov 27 20:34:35 <MarcOChapeau> mickey|ezx: a. I do run the FSO stack (SHR edition) and b. good to know that you know :)
Nov 27 20:34:39 <bumbl> good
Nov 27 20:34:46 <bumbl> to know
Nov 27 20:34:53 <Kensan> mickey|ezx: is he still graduating or about to finish off?
Nov 27 20:35:12 <Hire> SHR edition? :D
Nov 27 20:35:19 <Hire> it sounds weird :D
Nov 27 20:35:21 <MarcOChapeau> Hire: what else ?
Nov 27 20:35:25 <MarcOChapeau> :p
Nov 27 20:35:32 <Zorkman> mickey|ezx: not to bug you, but do you have a (very rough) eta on opimd?
Nov 27 20:35:34 <Kensan> dcordes: I've heard you've been busy ;)
Nov 27 20:35:42 <mickey|ezx> Zorkman: unfortunately not
Nov 27 20:35:47 <mickey|ezx> it's completely in the dark at this point of time
Nov 27 20:35:54 <dcordes> kenrem, not me, dr. lauer
Nov 27 20:36:01 <dcordes> Kensan, I mean
Nov 27 20:36:29 <MarcOChapeau> Zorkman: when we started SHR we thought it would take a week to get a stable release... that was before the storm came
Nov 27 20:36:34 <Kensan> mickey|ezx: is the code (opimd) in the fso git the latest devel state or are there any "local"/abraxa changes which have not yet made their way to the repos?
Nov 27 20:36:45 <Kensan> dcordes: well that's how he rolls...
Nov 27 20:36:53 <mickey|ezx> Kensan: as far as i heard he has some uncommitted stuff
Nov 27 20:37:34 <Kensan> mickey|ezx: ok thanks for the info.
Nov 27 20:37:36 <mickey|ezx> my problem being i had 0 time to look into the current state of things
Nov 27 20:37:51 <mickey|ezx> but i will before this year ends
Nov 27 20:38:04 <Zorkman> hire: you know a lot about shr, the wrench is missing in illume, and so i can't disable suspend, could you tell me what i have to add in frameworkd.conf? or another file?
Nov 27 20:38:09 <Kensan> mickey|ezx: you shouldn't even be responding in this channel, it's ezx week! *heh*
Nov 27 20:38:33 <Hire> Zorkman: sure
Nov 27 20:38:34 <Zorkman> am i the only one that doesn't know what ezx means?
Nov 27 20:38:35 <MarcOChapeau> Zorkman: wrench is here for me
Nov 27 20:38:48 <Zorkman> MarcOChapeau: did you opkg upgrade?
Nov 27 20:38:55 <MarcOChapeau> Zorkman: you need to drop down the top menu
Nov 27 20:39:02 <MarcOChapeau> Zorkman: I did upgrade yesterday
Nov 27 20:39:04 <Zorkman> i know, but it isn't there anymore
Nov 27 20:39:15 <Zorkman> querty button still is there, but no wrench
Nov 27 20:39:24 <MarcOChapeau> Zorkman: todays upgrade ? or yesterday ?
Nov 27 20:39:33 <Zorkman> today, like 10 minutes ago
Nov 27 20:39:38 <MarcOChapeau> oh
Nov 27 20:39:46 <MarcOChapeau> Let me give that a try
Nov 27 20:40:00 <MarcOChapeau> probably Ainulindale who screwed up again :-D
Nov 27 20:40:17 <md2k7> if you're at shr, can u tell me what this mysterious "starling" media player is?
Nov 27 20:40:27 * MarcOChapeau is achieving personal vengeance
Nov 27 20:40:34 <Zorkman> ok, i'm going to reboot pc and fr, be back soon
Nov 27 20:40:41 <Hire> Zorkman: http://pastebin.com/m762fdbc0
Nov 27 20:40:45 <Zorkman> (starling used to work grerat, but then it started segfaulting on me)
Nov 27 20:40:46 <Hire> add this
Nov 27 20:40:48 <md2k7> didn't find it anywhere, it crashes for me after 30 s playback, or with a long playlist...
Nov 27 20:40:51 <MarcOChapeau> md2k7: well... it's all in the title. it plays media !
Nov 27 20:40:52 <md2k7> yeah
Nov 27 20:41:07 <Zorkman> hire: does it matter where i add it?
Nov 27 20:41:17 <MarcOChapeau> md2k7: it has bugs. most media players for the FR do
Nov 27 20:41:41 <md2k7> how nice. so what do u use for playing mp3?
Nov 27 20:41:46 <Kensan> Zorkman: I just posted a link to the project website: openezx.org
Nov 27 20:41:48 <Hire> add it under [odeviced.idlenotifier]
Nov 27 20:41:58 <MarcOChapeau> md2k7: and even if it was perfect, I wouldn't listen to some music on an FR given the hardware problems that ruin the audio quality...
Nov 27 20:42:51 <MarcOChapeau> md2k7: right now I use either my iAudio or my multiface when I'm @home :)
Nov 27 20:44:58 <von_fritz> wrench is there ;) but in illume not in illume-shr :(
Nov 27 20:45:36 <von_fritz> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/bdfe9808260f748ddae65ee77fb9ff55.png
Nov 27 20:46:52 <MarcOChapeau> von_fritz: well, then it's a theme problem
Nov 27 20:47:11 <MarcOChapeau> which means someone is working on the theme. and that's good news :)
Nov 27 20:47:53 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r3a6dbaf92717 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: tests: org.freesmartphone.GSM.CB.[Get|Set]CellBroadcastSubscriptions done
Nov 27 20:49:49 <bumbl> i don't have a wrench either
Nov 27 20:50:03 <bumbl> after an opkg upgrade
Nov 27 20:54:25 <von_fritz> bumbl you have illume-shr?
Nov 27 20:56:03 <Lo-lan-do> Yet another WSOD, after a 30 minutes suspend this time.
Nov 27 20:56:11 * Lo-lan-do tries to bisect
Nov 27 20:56:52 <mrmoku> Lo-lan-do: that's an interesting idea - do you have a kernel version that does *not* show WSoD?
Nov 27 20:57:09 <Lo-lan-do> Maybe it's something entirely unrelated to suspend time, actually.
Nov 27 20:57:45 <Lo-lan-do> Like, I know I'm flip-flopping between two cells, so maybe it's related to whether I changed cells during suspend?
Nov 27 20:58:45 <Lo-lan-do> mrmoku: I never saw a WSOD before this Monday, but I think that was the same kernel.
Nov 27 20:59:34 <Lo-lan-do> The other possibly relevant fact that happened on Monday was that I bought and installed a new micro-SD card.
Nov 27 21:00:25 <Lo-lan-do> Sandisk 4 GB SDHC if that matters.  Never encountered the partition corrupting bug, but I get WSOD instead.
Nov 27 21:09:39 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r766b0e2d5b66 10/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
Nov 27 21:12:26 <mrmoku> Lo-lan-do: I have WSoD since the beginning when I bought mine (end of July)
Nov 27 21:12:39 <mrmoku> I tried without SIM and SD - WSoD
Nov 27 21:12:58 <mrmoku> and I get it exactly after more than 1 min and 10 sec of suspend time
Nov 27 21:13:35 <Lo-lan-do> I just "survived" 15 minutes :-/
Nov 27 21:13:48 <mrmoku> wow
Nov 27 21:13:52 <Lo-lan-do> I'll try this duration again, just in case.
Nov 27 21:14:46 <mrmoku> this is what I did - started with 30 seconds ;)
Nov 27 21:16:04 <Lo-lan-do> Yeah, but I'm stupid and I went *down* from 9 hours :-)
Nov 27 21:16:13 <mrmoku> :-)
Nov 27 21:17:03 <mrmoku> today DocScrutinizer2 said they can now reproduce the WSoD in Taipeh (at openmoko)
Nov 27 21:17:29 <mrmoku> and they're intensively trying to solve it
Nov 27 21:17:51 <mrmoku> maybe we can just wait for some more days
Nov 27 21:17:55 <Lo-lan-do> Yay!
Nov 27 21:18:56 <quickdev> Hey
Nov 27 21:19:07 <mrmoku> hi
Nov 27 21:20:39 <Hire> hey quickdev
Nov 27 21:21:56 <mrmoku> quickdev: how's the revamping going?
Nov 27 21:22:11 <quickdev> mrmoku, it's advancing..but still needs some hours
Nov 27 21:22:46 <mrmoku> if you're on the buildbost some time meanwhile... could you try to bitbake pythm?
Nov 27 21:22:51 <mrmoku> -b+h
Nov 27 21:25:37 <quickdev> mrmoku, it worked
Nov 27 21:27:38 <elserpiente> trying update framework on neo by 'python setup.py install', it says: ImportError: No module named Cython.Distutils. Where i can get it? Can't find it in FSO feeds
Nov 27 21:30:18 <elserpiente> or how i can update framework? by hands?
Nov 27 21:37:31 <kd8ikt> GPSD,P=?
Nov 27 21:42:23 <lindi-> elserpiente: package management should handle that?
Nov 27 21:42:44 <Dave> Hey BluesLee :)
Nov 27 21:42:56 <BluesLee> hi
Nov 27 21:43:43 <BluesLee> bumbl: whats wrong with the kbd in your screenshot? the lower row is too low...
Nov 27 21:43:58 <elserpiente> dunno
Nov 27 21:44:16 <bumbl> BluesLee: i know
Nov 27 21:44:21 <sicu> hey quickdev
Nov 27 21:44:26 <bumbl> that resolves after some time automagically
Nov 27 21:44:27 <quickdev> hey sicu 
Nov 27 21:44:39 <bumbl> that was the bug i couldn't reproduce yesterday
Nov 27 21:44:49 <BluesLee> bumbl: okay ... i dont have that effect
Nov 27 21:44:59 <BluesLee> who did this one? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/60e1a5fd7191aabea21d61a00b573736.png
Nov 27 21:46:29 <bumbl> i don't know
Nov 27 21:46:33 <sicu> quickdev: i got a nice little error on pin_callback() --> http://brokenmoko.pastebin.com/d3da7a452
Nov 27 21:46:46 <Hire> BluesLee: an italian guy
Nov 27 21:46:55 <BluesLee> opkg update doesnt seem to work ...
Nov 27 21:46:55 <quickdev> sicu, hopefully fixed in my new version ;)
Nov 27 21:47:03 <BluesLee> Hire: you are italian?;-)
Nov 27 21:47:09 <Hire> yeah, why?
Nov 27 21:47:26 <Hire> here everybody knows that I am italian 
Nov 27 21:48:09 <BluesLee> okay, its not your theme apparently
Nov 27 21:48:45 <Hire> :(
Nov 27 21:48:46 <BluesLee> opkg update does not work
Nov 27 21:48:53 * Hire is going away demoralized 
Nov 27 21:49:00 <BluesLee> Hire: why :-( ?
Nov 27 21:49:06 <sicu> quickdev: i'm guessing there's currently no error handling for 'too many PIN attempts, PUK you!' ?
Nov 27 21:49:19 <Hire> because it is so :(
Nov 27 21:49:21 <BluesLee> Hire: hey, it was a compliment as your theme is better!
Nov 27 21:49:22 <quickdev> sicu, there is
Nov 27 21:49:38 <Hire> :/
Nov 27 21:50:26 <sicu> quickdev: hmm, guess i will wait for your revamp completion before i continue testing this 3G SIM then =]
Nov 27 21:50:42 <quickdev> sicu, have a look at the frameworkd.log 
Nov 27 21:50:43 <BluesLee> Hire: it think you should harmonize everything, everything else is perfect
Nov 27 21:50:55 <quickdev> maybe it's not my fault
Nov 27 21:51:02 <Hire> BluesLee: i am on working on that
Nov 27 21:51:15 <BluesLee> Hire: the top shelf is looking very good
Nov 27 21:51:19 <Hire> but I have problem with my real life 
Nov 27 21:51:34 <BluesLee> Hire: whats the problem?
Nov 27 21:52:02 <Hire> problem with my friends, with my ex, with my job, with my family
Nov 27 21:52:39 <sicu> you should add your freerunner to that list
Nov 27 21:52:43 <sicu> too many problems :/
Nov 27 21:52:53 <sicu> :[
Nov 27 21:52:55 <BluesLee> nothing is more important than your family
Nov 27 21:53:07 <BluesLee> priority 1
Nov 27 21:53:10 <Hire> i have always problem :)
Nov 27 21:53:18 <BluesLee> how old are you?
Nov 27 21:53:28 <Hire> 22 years 
Nov 27 21:54:16 <BluesLee> come one, lets talk
Nov 27 22:01:35 <sicu> quickdev: do you know what ['+CME ERROR: 13'] is?
Nov 27 22:01:51 <quickdev> sicu, google for at command cme error 13
Nov 27 22:01:55 <quickdev> " at command cme error 13"
Nov 27 22:03:39 <sicu> quickdev: sorry, should've googled first
Nov 27 22:04:13 <quickdev> what is it btw.? :)
Nov 27 22:04:25 <sicu> ahh, it's a SIM failure, so I guess this is still a 3G SIM unsupported issue
Nov 27 22:05:34 <sicu> just got a new 3G SIM, and thought it'd at least let me enter PIN if nothing else
Nov 27 22:05:40 <sicu> but seems i was mistaken
Nov 27 22:06:01 <sicu> might have to try doc's fw flash
Nov 27 22:10:55 <dcordes> what's the preferred way to install extra stuff into (all of) your images?
Nov 27 22:11:19 <dcordes> IMAGE_INSTALL += "pack1 pack2" doesn't seem to work
Nov 27 22:20:16 <dcordes> nvm
Nov 27 22:29:33 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r095edae77cbc 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/freescale_neptune/unsolicited.py: 
Nov 27 22:29:33 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE]: prepare +CESS handler and fix +CSSU handler
Nov 27 22:29:33 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: Why's this special for the neptune?
Nov 27 22:29:45 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rac7d1b1df1b8 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/freescale_neptune/unsolicited.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
Nov 27 22:38:47 <sicu> quickdev: upon entering wrong PUK, ophonekitd gives [error code: -6 TODO org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM] and frameworkd gives ['+EXT ERROR: 0']
Nov 27 22:39:19 <sicu> wuickdev: i'm guessing that means that handling incorrect PUK is waiting to be done upstream ?
Nov 27 22:39:38 <sicu> *q
Nov 27 22:48:48 <dolf1074> quickdev: already committed something? I need an example for implementing icons :( (edje isn't my friend)
Nov 27 22:49:22 <quickdev> dolf1074, not yet...please be patient :)
Nov 27 22:49:28 <dolf1074> ok
Nov 27 22:49:30 <dolf1074> ;)
Nov 27 22:49:31 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rafa83bf037dc 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (helpers.py modems/ti_calypso/modem.py): 
Nov 27 22:49:31 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: use proper function to kill a process.
Nov 27 22:49:31 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: This fixes FSO ticket #260
Nov 27 22:49:45 <methril|away> G'night here
Nov 27 22:49:49 <sicu> nite
Nov 27 22:49:55 <dcordes> mickey|ezx, image almost done
Nov 27 22:51:15 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r33cb38aceda7 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (helpers.py modems/ti_calypso/modem.py): 
Nov 27 22:51:15 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
Nov 27 22:51:15 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org: Conflicts:
Nov 27 22:51:15 <CIA-59> freesmartphone.org:  framework/subsystems/ogsmd/helpers.py
Nov 27 22:52:32 <dolf1074> raster: You have a signal called 'after_animate_click', is there something similarly for 'row-selected'. Because now if you scroll a treelist, you will unattended trigger the 'row-selected' signal. (while I only want to react on this signal when the list isn't scrolling)
Nov 27 22:54:33 <quickdev> raster, have you implemented lists?
Nov 27 22:55:44 <raster> dolf1074:  eh? i do? where?
Nov 27 22:56:07 <raster> quickdev:  nup.
Nov 27 22:56:39 <raster> not yet
Nov 27 22:57:06 <dolf1074> raster: I have changed the openmoko-messages3 and that is a etk_tree. If hooked up a function on the "row_selected" signal, so you go inside the message when you click on the message
Nov 27 22:57:25 <dolf1074> only downpart: if you scroll, you also get "row_selected" signals
Nov 27 22:57:44 <raster> dolf1074:  oh. i don't know. check the code for etk. i didnt write etk. i dont know a lot about it
Nov 27 22:58:29 <dolf1074> already checked, didn't found other signals
Nov 27 22:58:39 <dolf1074> or methods for checking if the thing is scrolling
Nov 27 22:59:09 <Sargun> mickey|ezx, ezx? https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2138
Nov 27 22:59:51 <dolf1074> So the only solution is to change it into something like exposure implemented? ( :( )
Nov 27 22:59:56 <raster> that'd need patches to not select items while drag-scrolling
Nov 27 23:00:09 <raster> esposure just implemented a custom list of its own
Nov 27 23:00:25 <raster> or you wait for elementary to get lists as i'll do that properly
Nov 27 23:00:26 <raster> :)
Nov 27 23:00:38 <dolf1074> raster: and how long should I wait?
Nov 27 23:00:51 <raster> dunno
Nov 27 23:01:05 <raster> today i am going to have another stab at an optimisation for evas' software engine
Nov 27 23:01:19 <raster> my previous test shows a nice 1300% speedup
Nov 27 23:01:20 <raster> :)
Nov 27 23:01:30 <dolf1074> beautifull
Nov 27 23:01:35 <quickdev> raster, great :) what did you modify to reach that?
Nov 27 23:01:58 <dolf1074> bugger, I'm now waiting on two guys :p
Nov 27 23:02:00 <raster> it's worth me taking some time out from elementary for it
Nov 27 23:02:14 <raster> well 1300% when smooht scaling
Nov 27 23:02:19 <raster> 120% when non-smooth scaling
Nov 27 23:02:33 <raster> still not to be sticking your nose up at without some effort
Nov 27 23:02:38 <raster> its basically a scale cache
Nov 27 23:02:46 <raster> right now evas may seem fast
Nov 27 23:02:47 <raster> but its not
Nov 27 23:02:57 <raster> you know it rescales every image on the fly
Nov 27 23:03:04 <raster> every time its drawn
Nov 27 23:03:12 <raster> every time you see it in an update on the screen
Nov 27 23:03:14 <raster> every frame
Nov 27 23:03:24 <raster> so for example that image that sits behind your button
Nov 27 23:03:28 <raster> and you have a list of bittons
Nov 27 23:03:30 <raster> or list items
Nov 27 23:03:37 <raster> they are all the same size
Nov 27 23:03:40 <raster> when it redraws the list
Nov 27 23:03:46 <raster> it literally draws that image 10 times
Nov 27 23:03:56 <raster> and scales it 10 times for that redraw of that frame
Nov 27 23:04:01 <raster> and.. it does this every frame
Nov 27 23:05:28 * sicu makes a note to thank evas for all the work she does =]
Nov 27 23:05:41 <dolf1074> raster, quickdev: what do you think of this idea? http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/157. It would remove the precious space the back button needs in every app. 
Nov 27 23:05:41 <sicu> btw, great work raster :D
Nov 27 23:07:09 <Sargun> BEARS TECH.
Nov 27 23:07:13 <quickdev> raster, you are coding a contacts / sms app and I am doing that...kind of resource waste in my mind. Do you see any aspect where we could collaborate?
Nov 27 23:10:25 <mickey|ezx> Sargun: ah, there you have hidden it. please submit fso stuff to trac.freesmartphone.org in the future. thanks a lot for the patch, i have adjusted it and it's in now
Nov 27 23:10:50 <raster> dolf1074: that'd work
Nov 27 23:10:57 <Sargun> Sorry. 
Nov 27 23:10:59 <raster> as long as its 1 window that implements all the pages/states
Nov 27 23:11:05 <Sargun> mickey|ezx, Can you close the ticket then?
Nov 27 23:11:16 <mickey|ezx> done
Nov 27 23:11:21 <raster> quickdev: aah for now contacts is on hold - sms is first
Nov 27 23:11:31 <raster> i actually have my ui partly up and kicking
Nov 27 23:11:40 <raster> and yes - it ids a waste
Nov 27 23:11:50 <raster> but my goals are to use the sms app to push elementary
Nov 27 23:12:00 <raster> so i'll make decisions for the sake of pushing the toolkit
Nov 27 23:12:08 <raster> as opposed to "making it sexy"
Nov 27 23:12:09 <dolf1074> raster: and what do you think of the idea. Do you think it's rubbish or could it enhance the SHR experience?
Nov 27 23:12:15 <raster> or "making it consistent"
Nov 27 23:12:16 <raster> etc.
Nov 27 23:12:29 <raster> and to be honest.. the code won't be that big
Nov 27 23:12:30 <raster> :)
Nov 27 23:12:40 <Sargun> mickey|ezx, os.access is the better way to do it IMHO. 
Nov 27 23:12:42 <raster> dolf1074: u'd need to be consistent with every app doing it
Nov 27 23:12:46 <raster> as its a "hidden" option
Nov 27 23:12:55 <raster> that you dont know is there until you try it
Nov 27 23:13:00 <Sargun> mickey|ezx, Additionally, try/except is a little bit slower than running the access syscall.
Nov 27 23:13:09 <raster> also until now at least the touchsrcene has been horrible ad swipes/drags
Nov 27 23:13:12 <raster> thansk to sensitivity
Nov 27 23:13:21 <quickdev> raster, so it's just for pushing elementary? But you're planning further things? Contacts app?
Nov 27 23:13:21 <raster> and ts jitters and mouse unreliability
Nov 27 23:13:28 <raster> the ts filtering changes to kernel may help
Nov 27 23:13:32 <raster> but i have yet to try them
Nov 27 23:13:33 <dolf1074> Yes, that's why I want to discuss if it's good enough for doing everywhere
Nov 27 23:13:36 <Sargun> anyways, I've gotta head out.
Nov 27 23:13:37 <Sargun> bye.
Nov 27 23:13:44 <raster> quickdev: yes. contacts for same reason
Nov 27 23:13:53 <raster> i'll liekyl pump out a dialler too for just the same reason
Nov 27 23:13:54 <raster> :)
Nov 27 23:14:19 <dolf1074> because I'm just tired of the back buttons, doesn't mean that all the people are ;)
Nov 27 23:14:37 <raster> dolf1074:   as such - i'd avoid it due to the nature of the device performance.
Nov 27 23:14:46 <raster> it just doesnt lend itself to this
Nov 27 23:14:49 <mickey|ezx> cu Sargun 
Nov 27 23:14:49 <quickdev> raster, all the things I'm working on, too
Nov 27 23:14:51 <raster> iuf you had silky-smooht graphics
Nov 27 23:15:10 <raster> and a rock-solid ts that really worked well and registered all presses and slides well
Nov 27 23:15:13 <raster> then i'd consider it
Nov 27 23:15:45 <raster> quickdev: i'm doing it because i've been specifically asked to do it - other than liking the idea
Nov 27 23:15:55 <raster> also i bet you my plans for an sms app are very different to your ui
Nov 27 23:16:00 <raster> mine doesnt need a list for example
Nov 27 23:16:04 <raster> well not right now
Nov 27 23:16:04 <raster> :)
Nov 27 23:16:24 <dolf1074> ok. I will put my idea back in the fridge. (because of hardware constraints :( )
Nov 27 23:16:25 <raster> dolf1074:  back buttons are good - they are obvious and easy to hit.
Nov 27 23:16:33 <raster> but the idea is nice
Nov 27 23:16:39 <raster> but i think the platform will let you down
Nov 27 23:16:51 <dolf1074> ok, back buttons it is 
Nov 27 23:17:38 <quickdev> raster, you were asked to do it. And you will be asked to implement a list, I'm sure :)
Nov 27 23:18:17 <raster> i will
Nov 27 23:18:20 <raster> but its a lower priority
Nov 27 23:21:23 <quickdev> raster, will you bug me if I steal some ui enhancements I saw in your apps? :)
Nov 27 23:21:32 <raster> no
Nov 27 23:21:33 <raster> :)
Nov 27 23:21:39 <raster> thats the point
Nov 27 23:21:42 <raster> steal!
Nov 27 23:21:42 <raster> :)
Nov 27 23:22:14 <quickdev> ok..at least in that case one can benefit
Nov 27 23:22:31 <raster> yeah
Nov 27 23:22:45 <raster> the point of the sms and contacts apps - sample apps. is to serevr as a howto
Nov 27 23:22:46 <raster> a tutorial
Nov 27 23:22:50 <raster> an example to steal from
Nov 27 23:22:54 <raster> "this is how you do this"
Nov 27 23:23:01 <raster> "this is the best way to do this"
Nov 27 23:23:02 <raster> etc.
Nov 27 23:23:20 <raster> but instead of it being a lifeless document
Nov 27 23:23:21 <raster> or web page
Nov 27 23:23:25 <raster> its a living bearhngt app
Nov 27 23:23:27 <raster> breathing
Nov 27 23:23:36 <raster> so i wont focus much on the actual usability or featureset
Nov 27 23:23:48 <raster> or even the niceness of the "working code" that does the actual task
Nov 27 23:23:55 <raster> but the stuff wrapping it as a toolkit is the focus
Nov 27 23:24:04 <dolf1074> Is the 'example' code already online?
Nov 27 23:24:41 <raster> yes
Nov 27 23:24:52 <raster> yes
Nov 27 23:24:56 <raster> i puit everything in svn
Nov 27 23:25:02 <dolf1074> owla, wanna check that out ;)
Nov 27 23:25:09 <raster> in the same dir as elementary is elementary-alarm
Nov 27 23:25:14 <raster> and elementary-sms
Nov 27 23:25:28 <raster> if u have an e17 svn tree checked out
Nov 27 23:25:33 <raster> svn update for any changes and u have it
Nov 27 23:25:37 <raster> in TMP/st/
Nov 27 23:25:44 <raster> i need to probably relocate that sometime
Nov 27 23:27:30 <quickdev> raster, the bubble is cool
Nov 27 23:27:46 <raster> i need to add the style set call
Nov 27 23:27:51 <raster> where u can change the bubble direction
Nov 27 23:27:56 <raster> right now default is from top-left
Nov 27 23:28:06 <raster> other 3 corners are also supported in the theme
Nov 27 23:28:17 <raster> just need a way to set which way you want it
Nov 27 23:28:29 <raster> i need to add lots of widgets like bubble
Nov 27 23:28:38 <raster> like "contact photo"
Nov 27 23:28:46 <raster> that basically takes a photo of a person
Nov 27 23:28:56 <raster> amd puts it in a nice frame
Nov 27 23:29:10 <raster> it will also possibly enforce some clipping to a square aspect
Nov 27 23:29:14 <raster> or a given aspect ratio
Nov 27 23:29:19 <quickdev> raster, will you implement a dial keypad widget?
Nov 27 23:29:23 <raster> yeas
Nov 27 23:29:26 <raster> its in the todo list
Nov 27 23:29:33 <raster> i keep my todo in Elementary.h
Nov 27 23:29:34 <raster> :)
Nov 27 23:29:42 <raster> look at the bottom
Nov 27 23:30:03 <quickdev> raster, should I do it myself or shoudl I wait till you did it? :) How long will it take?
Nov 27 23:31:57 <quickdev> raster, ELM_HOVER_AXIS_VERTICAL <- does it pop things down? What if I want to pop things in the other direction?
Nov 27 23:33:55 <raster> HORIZONTAL ?
Nov 27 23:33:56 <raster> :)
Nov 27 23:34:12 <raster> a hover pops up and allows 5 places to put things
Nov 27 23:34:15 <raster> middle
Nov 27 23:34:16 <quickdev> no, I want to vertically pop things up, not vertically pop things down
Nov 27 23:34:16 <raster> top
Nov 27 23:34:17 <raster> bottom
Nov 27 23:34:18 <raster> left
Nov 27 23:34:19 <raster> right
Nov 27 23:34:33 <raster> that call returns the "best place" to pop
Nov 27 23:34:34 <raster> eg
Nov 27 23:34:40 <raster> if there is more reoom below than above
Nov 27 23:34:45 <raster> it will return bottom
Nov 27 23:34:55 <raster> if there is more room above - then top
Nov 27 23:34:59 <raster> same for left and right
Nov 27 23:35:04 <quickdev> my button is at the bottom..so it should pop up, right?
Nov 27 23:35:13 <raster> so that is what controls the behavior of which direction somethng pops out in
Nov 27 23:35:17 <raster> yup
Nov 27 23:37:10 <quickdev> raster, have you already thought about different types of buttons?
Nov 27 23:37:16 <quickdev> delete button / show button
Nov 27 23:37:25 <quickdev> to assign icons "globally"
Nov 27 23:37:43 <quickdev> consistently
Nov 27 23:37:58 <raster> ooh universal icons
Nov 27 23:38:00 <raster> yes
Nov 27 23:38:08 <raster> i have universal icons done
Nov 27 23:38:18 <raster> not universal buttons thought
Nov 27 23:38:26 <raster> i only have a few icons done for now
Nov 27 23:38:30 <quickdev> how to use universal icons?
Nov 27 23:38:41 <raster> check the notepad test in elementary
Nov 27 23:38:50 <raster> :)
Nov 27 23:38:52 <raster> it uses them
Nov 27 23:39:01 <raster> for the left/right and close icons in the buttons
Nov 27 23:39:33 <quickdev> indeed, yes
Nov 27 23:39:54 <raster> its just a lot of work to go draw 50 "standard icons"
Nov 27 23:40:02 <raster> so i'
Nov 27 23:40:04 <quickdev> use GPL ones ;)
Nov 27 23:40:10 <raster> so i'll just do them "on demand as i really need them
Nov 27 23:40:13 <raster> hell no
Nov 27 23:40:14 <quickdev> yeah
Nov 27 23:40:18 <raster> because they wil lall look ugly
Nov 27 23:40:35 <raster> nothnig worse that just taking some icons not designed to look like they go with your current theme
Nov 27 23:40:40 <raster> they stand out like a sore thumb
Nov 27 23:41:16 <quickdev> raster, logical thing: Imagine you are viewing a sms and press a button "New SMS". How do you change the view? Do you delete all buttons manually? Do you create a new window and delete the old one? Tell me :)
Nov 27 23:42:04 <raster> i intend to create a new window
Nov 27 23:42:13 <raster> i wont delete the old
Nov 27 23:42:25 <dolf1074> raster: Can you say to something to stay always on top?
Nov 27 23:42:30 <dolf1074> in edje?
Nov 27 23:42:43 <quickdev> raster, and then you will have dozens of windows in some cases?
Nov 27 23:42:59 <mirko-paroli> mickey|ezx : uneducated question, is there a quick way to check of there is an active call ?
Nov 27 23:43:08 <raster> dolf1074: edje - no. the elements live inside of the object and stay there.
Nov 27 23:43:19 <quickdev> mirko-paroli, listen for the call signals ;)
Nov 27 23:43:19 <raster> in evas you can create objects and set them to different layers (layer 0 is default)
Nov 27 23:43:24 <raster> layer 1 is ALWAYS above layer 0
Nov 27 23:43:31 <raster> and layer 2 always above 1
Nov 27 23:43:35 <raster> layer -1 is below 0
Nov 27 23:43:35 <raster> etc.
Nov 27 23:43:40 <mirko-paroli> quickdev: LOL
Nov 27 23:43:46 <mirko-paroli> I have the call activated and am talking
Nov 27 23:43:52 <raster> quickdev: why would i go start editing doizens fo sms's
Nov 27 23:43:54 <mirko-paroli> but I need to check when the next call comes
Nov 27 23:43:56 <quickdev> raster, you use window layering to accompilsh that?
Nov 27 23:44:02 <dolf1074> raster: ah so.
Nov 27 23:44:07 <raster> with a "new sms"w idnwo i can still go back to my sms list and see the message i am replying to
Nov 27 23:44:10 <raster> while keeping my edit up
Nov 27 23:44:19 <raster> the wm happily handles managing all of that
Nov 27 23:44:37 <raster> and no window layering
Nov 27 23:44:37 <quickdev> raster, so you have 2 "real" windows?
Nov 27 23:44:42 <raster> correct
Nov 27 23:44:49 <raster> i have a "sms app main" window
Nov 27 23:44:49 <mickey|ezx> mirko-paroli: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.ListCalls()
Nov 27 23:44:53 <raster> that displays sms's i am reading
Nov 27 23:44:58 <raster> and a "edit new sms" window
Nov 27 23:45:05 <raster> i coudl open multiple sms edits if i wanted
Nov 27 23:45:09 <raster> and keep them open
Nov 27 23:45:11 <mirko-paroli> and then unpack the array etc
Nov 27 23:45:15 <quickdev> raster, imagine you have the following: Folder list, Folder content list, SMS show view -> that would produce 3 windows?
Nov 27 23:45:15 <raster> until i cancel or send them
Nov 27 23:45:17 <raster> they stay openh
Nov 27 23:45:35 <raster> yes
Nov 27 23:45:39 <raster> i might do 3 windows
Nov 27 23:45:48 <raster> though i wasnt intending on doign multiepl folders/lists
Nov 27 23:45:52 <raster> 1 "all my messages" view
Nov 27 23:45:56 <raster> whihc is every message you sent
Nov 27 23:46:07 <raster> and that was sent to you ordered in time from newest to oldest
Nov 27 23:46:16 <quickdev> raster, in my app I'm using only one window and switching between "views"
Nov 27 23:46:20 <raster> (with some cutoff date ot # of messages so the list isnt too long)
Nov 27 23:46:24 <raster> as you see in the sms app
Nov 27 23:46:38 <raster> and then you simply hit reply
Nov 27 23:46:42 <raster> or new message
Nov 27 23:46:45 <raster> simple as that
Nov 27 23:46:51 <raster> nothgn hyper-fancy
Nov 27 23:46:57 <quickdev> yeah
Nov 27 23:46:58 <raster> in terms of "organisational abilities"
Nov 27 23:47:08 <raster> no filters, filters, or such
Nov 27 23:47:14 <raster> treat sms like irc or instant messaging
Nov 27 23:47:28 <raster> its basically a conversation to and fro betwene you and 1 or more people
Nov 27 23:47:39 <raster> may as well keep it simple that way
Nov 27 23:47:48 <raster> and just focus on making it really usable in a simple sense
Nov 27 23:48:40 <raster> but you are doing it differently
Nov 27 23:48:41 <quickdev> raster, I'm just thinking what's the advantage/disadvantage of my approach is
Nov 27 23:48:57 <raster> right now in elementary i havent added any widgets or helpers to make having multiple "screens" within a window easy
Nov 27 23:49:01 <quickdev> I'm using less memory
Nov 27 23:49:14 <raster> my way puts the wrodk back into the wm of managing context and focus
Nov 27 23:49:16 <quickdev> raster, I have added some kind of helper for that
Nov 27 23:49:26 <raster> actually likely not using less
Nov 27 23:49:35 <raster> the cost of a new window is really not that much
Nov 27 23:49:46 <raster> and in fact the more objects you put into a window
Nov 27 23:49:49 <raster> the slower evas gets
Nov 27 23:49:52 <quickdev> raster, but the cost to have much windows open? ;)
Nov 27 23:50:00 <raster> again - i expect 2 windows
Nov 27 23:50:06 <raster> "didums"
Nov 27 23:50:07 <quickdev> I put as many objects in my window as you
Nov 27 23:50:14 <raster> 1 window normally
Nov 27 23:50:18 <raster> and a 2nd wnen writing a message
Nov 27 23:50:39 <quickdev> raster, but there isn't a very big disadvantage in my approach?
Nov 27 23:50:42 <raster> unless you are doing compositing
Nov 27 23:50:53 <raster> a window doesnt consume extra ram per pixel
Nov 27 23:50:59 <raster> its just a data structure
Nov 27 23:51:10 <quickdev> raster, a window has some widgets, which are using space
Nov 27 23:51:10 <raster> well there is a disadvantage
Nov 27 23:51:17 <raster> you make for inconsistent context management
Nov 27 23:51:27 <raster> your app has to handle all its won state management
Nov 27 23:51:41 <raster> what if i want to go back and read the sms again while writign the reply?
Nov 27 23:51:56 <raster> what if i want to find 2nothe rsms someone wrote and coyp and paste from it?
Nov 27 23:52:05 <raster> you need a way to go back and do that
Nov 27 23:52:13 <quickdev> both not possible (without opening a new app)
Nov 27 23:52:20 <raster> now you end up re-producing a lot of things the wm does already in a consistent way between apps
Nov 27 23:52:29 <raster> there is your disadvantage
Nov 27 23:52:32 <raster> "not possible"
Nov 27 23:52:33 <quickdev> yeah, right
Nov 27 23:52:44 <raster> andthis is one of the utmost annoying things for me on "phones" i have used
Nov 27 23:52:48 <raster> including the qtopia linux ones
Nov 27 23:52:54 <raster> they like to stop you from doing things by design
Nov 27 23:53:04 <raster> or make it complex
Nov 27 23:53:10 <raster> eg i have to save my sms to a draft folder
Nov 27 23:53:13 <raster> then go back and read
Nov 27 23:53:17 <raster> then come find my draft folder
Nov 27 23:53:22 <raster> then find the sms i was writign and continue
Nov 27 23:53:31 <raster> as opposed to just hit the "left arrow" to go back an app window
Nov 27 23:53:35 <raster> read/select
Nov 27 23:53:42 <raster> fwd again to my editing
Nov 27 23:53:46 <raster> and paste or write what i wnated
Nov 27 23:54:02 <raster> now you can argue "this should be a widget so you can flip screens"
Nov 27 23:54:03 <raster> sure
Nov 27 23:54:10 <raster> but.. you are reproducing what a wm already does
Nov 27 23:54:17 <raster> this WOULD make sense in a framebuffer target
Nov 27 23:54:23 <raster> where you have no such thing
Nov 27 23:54:28 <raster> adn you need to manage state all yourself
Nov 27 23:54:50 <raster> it all depends how you view it
Nov 27 23:55:04 <raster> i like to view it as making this easy and possible by just doing thnigs a certain way
Nov 27 23:55:08 <quickdev> I will follow your solution
Nov 27 23:55:15 <raster> its less work to open a new window
Nov 27 23:55:18 <raster> and close it
Nov 27 23:55:25 <raster> the cost really is not more
Nov 27 23:55:28 <raster> as a window is a strucutr
Nov 27 23:55:34 <raster> strucutre
Nov 27 23:55:49 <raster> sure - in a compositing environment it MAY mean the new window consumes a new pixmap
Nov 27 23:55:52 <raster> and this video ram
Nov 27 23:55:58 <raster> but that isnt happening right now
Nov 27 23:55:59 <quickdev> raster, in some cases (for example Folder view -> Folder content list) it's wished to close the first window when opening the second. Do you agree?
Nov 27 23:56:14 <raster> in that regard
Nov 27 23:56:16 <quickdev> raster, the widgets take memory
Nov 27 23:56:24 <raster> for that i wouldnt open a enw window
Nov 27 23:56:37 <raster> i would just modify in-place the folder list display
Nov 27 23:56:49 <raster> widgets take very little ram
Nov 27 23:57:01 <raster> maybe 1-2kb at most
Nov 27 23:57:09 <raster> the IMAGES for rendering eat up ram
Nov 27 23:57:36 <dolf1074> raster: also for closing a window you need 2 clicks. (I'm a pro for the window thing, only this is a huge con) 
Nov 27 23:57:38 <quickdev> raster, not opening a new window would mean again: Switching between different "views"...or not?
Nov 27 23:58:38 <raster> dolf1074: you can always have a close button on the window itself
Nov 27 23:58:41 <quickdev> and then I would do wm stuff...state handling
Nov 27 23:58:43 <raster> for example
Nov 27 23:58:48 <raster> for the message editor
Nov 27 23:58:53 <raster> you want a "send" buttopn anyway
Nov 27 23:59:03 <raster> and that likely can just have a "cancel" button next to it
Nov 27 23:59:16 <raster> quickdev:  yes.
Nov 27 23:59:24 <raster> not openign a new window means swithcing state
Nov 27 23:59:31 <raster> but for a folder view you just change folder contents
Nov 27 23:59:41 <raster> dont completely change the widgets
Nov 28 00:00:08 <quickdev> raster, you don't know how the folder / list view looks like. Could be completely different ;)
Nov 28 00:01:15 <dolf1074> raster: just a silly question: why does the 'list applications' have the same button in it's window?
Nov 28 00:01:59 <dolf1074> (first button on the top bar)
Nov 28 00:02:05 <dolf1074> (if opened)
Nov 28 00:02:36 <raster> quickdev:  i dont
Nov 28 00:02:38 <raster> :)
Nov 28 00:03:15 <raster> dolf1074:  ooh yeah - that button does nothnig at the moment. i was planning on using it for something. i havent decided yet what to do but i was thinking maybe a full sask manage
Nov 28 00:03:24 <raster> that lists all apps, processies, how much ram and cpu they use etc. etc.
Nov 28 00:03:29 <raster> but for now it does nothing
Nov 28 00:03:31 <raster> and is useless
Nov 28 00:03:35 <dolf1074> ah ok
Nov 28 00:04:07 <quickdev> raster, another thing I wanted to ask you for weeks. Are desktop gadgets working without segfaults? ;)
Nov 28 00:04:21 <mirko-paroli> night guys
Nov 28 00:04:25 <dolf1074> and a little bug: if you press the 'settings' icons on top of the panel, the top panel doesn't shrink, but stays open
Nov 28 00:04:27 <raster> ummm i dont really use them myself
Nov 28 00:04:31 <quickdev> night mirko-paroli 
Nov 28 00:04:36 <dolf1074> night
Nov 28 00:04:36 <raster> but they arent too usabel at the moment on a touchsrceen with 1 mouse
Nov 28 00:04:41 <raster> no way to move/resize on the fly
Nov 28 00:04:43 <raster> and remove them
Nov 28 00:04:49 <raster> as that is right-mouse controlled
Nov 28 00:04:56 <raster> so until i look into that i'm ignorring them
Nov 28 00:05:04 <quickdev> raster, what about a today screen? Wouldn't you use a gadget for it?
Nov 28 00:05:19 <raster> dolf1074:  and that isnt really a bug. its simple the shelf has no idea you pressed anythign
Nov 28 00:05:25 <raster> ad the settings icon is a separate gadget
Nov 28 00:05:32 <raster> entirely unknown to the shefl
Nov 28 00:05:45 <dolf1074> yeah, but it's just looks weird
Nov 28 00:05:51 <raster> there is no abstreaction layer to tell a parent container "btw - hide again"
Nov 28 00:05:59 <raster> so there simply is no method to do it
Nov 28 00:06:23 <raster> quickdev:  yes. a today screen would actually be multiple gadgets
Nov 28 00:06:34 <dolf1074> the top bar is always shrinking when you press something expect for that only icon. It like it has a privilege :) 
Nov 28 00:06:43 <raster> a clock - a "list of unread messages and unansweredf calls"
Nov 28 00:06:48 <quickdev> raster, are you planning to do one? ;)
Nov 28 00:06:54 <raster> a "calendar appointments for today"
Nov 28 00:06:55 <raster> etc.
Nov 28 00:06:57 <raster> yes
Nov 28 00:07:01 <raster> thats the idea for gadgets
Nov 28 00:07:02 <quickdev> great :)
Nov 28 00:07:04 <raster> they will just ahndle thsi
Nov 28 00:07:11 <raster> illumes launcher icosn would just become a gadget
Nov 28 00:07:21 <quickdev> yeah
Nov 28 00:07:22 <raster> but i need to fix gadgets to be 1 mouse button friendly
Nov 28 00:07:26 <raster> first
Nov 28 00:07:37 <raster> then you fcan load moduels to provide gadgets for anything you like
Nov 28 00:07:38 <dolf1074> ok, guys. cya
Nov 28 00:07:40 <raster> and add them
Nov 28 00:07:45 <raster> and move them anywhere on the screen
Nov 28 00:07:49 <quickdev> yes :)
Nov 28 00:08:24 <raster> i just have a very long list of thnigs to do
Nov 28 00:08:30 <raster> so i can only do some at any time
Nov 28 00:08:37 <dcordes> mickey|ezx, can you commit http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/diffs/git-diff-org.oe.dev-msm-linux.diff ?
Nov 28 00:08:42 <raster> there is a long list of things to do and improve
Nov 28 00:08:46 <raster> and i know the path to take
Nov 28 00:08:52 <raster> but i can only work on one thing at a time
Nov 28 00:09:07 <quickdev> of course
Nov 28 00:09:16 <raster> and generally i will work on the things that those that pay for my food and rent find most important to them
Nov 28 00:09:17 <raster> :)
Nov 28 00:09:25 <quickdev> I'm leavning now. 1 o'clock here and I have to be awake at 6 :)
Nov 28 00:09:30 <raster> as such i need to now work on this scale cache
Nov 28 00:09:34 <raster> it will heavily impact elementary
Nov 28 00:09:38 <raster> and performance i n general
Nov 28 00:09:42 <raster> its worth effort
Nov 28 00:09:48 <raster> its not just a 10% speedup
Nov 28 00:09:51 <quickdev> yeah, definitely
Nov 28 00:10:01 <raster> its a very hefty speedup worth the effort that will just make everything more usable
Nov 28 00:10:09 <raster> no matter hat the target
Nov 28 00:10:11 <raster> desktop or phone
Nov 28 00:10:12 <raster> :)
Nov 28 00:10:17 <quickdev> hrr :)
Nov 28 00:10:28 <raster> everyone wins from it
Nov 28 00:10:35 <raster> the only prolbme is.. it will of course use ram
Nov 28 00:10:41 <raster> so its a ram vs speed tradeoff again
Nov 28 00:10:47 <quickdev> have a good day. Look forward to see your improvements in my code ;)
Nov 28 00:11:11 <raster> (i'll make my sms app scrilling a lot faster!)
Nov 28 00:11:13 <raster> err
Nov 28 00:11:17 <raster> it'll
Nov 28 00:11:18 <raster> :)
Nov 28 00:11:19 <mickey|ezx> dcordes: i need to review that, i don't like setting the TARGET_CC_ARCH directly in there
Nov 28 00:11:29 <quickdev> raster, scrolling?
Nov 28 00:11:56 <dcordes> mickey|ezx, we did it the same way before somebody messed up the machine.confs
Nov 28 00:11:56 <quickdev> ok, however
Nov 28 00:12:01 <quickdev> have a good day guys, cya
Nov 28 00:12:02 <quickdev> :)
Nov 28 00:12:05 <dcordes> mickey|ezx, I tested all of it.
Nov 28 00:12:16 <mickey|ezx> dcordes: it's better to have a seperate tune file for that.
Nov 28 00:12:34 <raster> qui yes. qcrolling is entirely red-raw-driven
Nov 28 00:12:55 <dcordes> mickey|ezx, I know and that was the intent of the koen commit that broke it. arm11 tunefile doesn't work because it sets wrong fpu switches
Nov 28 00:13:32 <mickey|ezx> dcordes: good, then we need a better tunefile :)
Nov 28 00:13:36 <mickey|ezx> or a seperate one
Nov 28 00:14:20 <dcordes> I will try a seperate one
Nov 28 00:15:05 <dcordes> what does the |...|...|...|...|...> signify ?
Nov 28 00:15:57 <mickey|ezx> cpu call frame depth
Nov 28 00:15:58 <dcordes> mickey|ezx, unfortunately I have no good camera. otherwise I could take a nice snapshot for the moko planet
Nov 28 00:16:08 <mickey|ezx> ya, too bad
Nov 28 00:17:09 <dcordes> so far I have only see errors regarding the unknown prop. htc commands
Nov 28 00:17:16 <mickey|ezx> good, very good
Nov 28 00:17:34 <mickey|ezx> that means it's fairly standard compliant
Nov 28 00:18:54 <dcordes> yea I guess if we get the network routing going it's quite operational
Nov 28 00:20:20 <dcordes> and Xfbdev
Nov 28 00:20:55 <dcordes> !oebug #4448
Nov 28 00:22:53 <dcordes> mickey|ezx, must cli-framework be invoked with some options?
Nov 28 00:24:00 <dcordes> ok I didn't run fso in the background
Nov 28 00:30:21 <Spanska> Is the Freerunner screen really 43mm x 58 mm ?
Nov 28 01:03:39 <sicu> raster: thanks! i just wasted my time reading through that very useful long-message test in elementary-sms ;p
Nov 28 01:03:52 <raster> hahahha
Nov 28 01:03:53 <raster> :-P
Nov 28 01:03:54 <raster> :)
Nov 28 01:05:12 <sicu> very insightful ... tells me a whole lot about your mind
Nov 28 01:05:34 <sicu> i'm rather scared to be honest ;p
Nov 28 01:06:44 <dcordes_> raster, you seem like a graphics guru. can you look at oebug #4448 ?
Nov 28 01:07:23 <raster> dcordes_:  busy with my own code atm :)
Nov 28 01:07:38 <raster> and what bug tracker where?
Nov 28 01:08:49 <Spanska> does anyone here have a Freerunner phone?
Nov 28 01:09:13 <dcordes_> raster, bugs.openembedded.org
Nov 28 01:09:59 <raster> ummm
Nov 28 01:10:06 <raster> om moved to trac long ago
Nov 28 01:10:29 <dcordes_> it's not only moko related
Nov 28 01:10:34 <raster> oh wait
Nov 28 01:10:35 <raster> sorry
Nov 28 01:10:36 <raster> oe
Nov 28 01:10:37 <raster> not om
Nov 28 01:10:42 <dcordes_> and not exactly oe related either
Nov 28 01:11:12 <dcordes_> just asking you because you seem to know so much about graphics
Nov 28 01:13:25 <raster> dunno
Nov 28 01:13:29 <raster> i've never had tslib not work
Nov 28 01:13:34 <raster> so i've never had to look into it
Nov 28 01:13:35 <raster> :)
Nov 28 01:13:50 <dcordes_> well tslib works. the problem is Xfbdev
Nov 28 01:14:18 <raster> yes
Nov 28 01:14:27 <raster> tslib + x has worked for me pretty consistently
Nov 28 01:14:29 <raster> and when it hasnt
Nov 28 01:14:34 <raster> its been down in ekrnel driver land
Nov 28 01:14:39 <raster> that the problems have been spwaning
Nov 28 01:15:12 <dcordes_> I also thought it's in the sacred lands of kernel. but _everything_ seems to work except for X
Nov 28 01:16:01 <dcordes_> don't see what's so special about X that's not present in other programs that use the framebuffer to display stuff
Nov 28 01:16:14 <raster> dunno
Nov 28 01:16:26 <raster> maybe its somnething x does to try play with ts calibration
Nov 28 01:16:34 <raster> really d0nt know - u'd have to read the code
Nov 28 01:16:56 <dcordes_> ok thanks for looking tho
Nov 28 01:17:58 <raster> hehe
Nov 28 01:18:01 <raster> id dint really look
Nov 28 01:18:14 <raster> i just went... "well - wont know until i open up xfbdev coe3e
Nov 28 01:18:26 <raster> and have a kaiser.. and put some debugging in to see just whats happening where"
Nov 28 01:18:31 <raster> at whihc point i know
Nov 28 01:18:36 <raster> 1. i dont have the time to look at the code right now
Nov 28 01:18:41 <raster> 2. dont have a kaiser
Nov 28 01:18:41 <raster> :)
Nov 28 01:19:43 <dcordes_> that's a good idea, making Xfbdev be more verbose and see where (usually after the fb is drawn once, before any refresh) /why it freezes
Nov 28 01:32:46 <kd8ikt>  /join #hackable1
Nov 28 01:33:59 <vininim> wat
Nov 28 01:43:59 <Spanska> Is there a lot of things I could develop on the phone with only an emulator?
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