**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 28 02:59:57 2008
Nov 28 03:16:33 <sicu> DocScrutinizer2: here?
Nov 28 03:48:48 <sicu> nm
Nov 28 03:57:03 <Dave> :p
Nov 28 04:00:49 <DocScrutinizer2> sicu: ???
Nov 28 04:01:09 <Dave> Hi Joerg :)
Nov 28 04:01:39 <DocScrutinizer> Hi dave!
Nov 28 04:02:04 <Dave> Any success stories about moko10 yet?
Nov 28 04:02:44 <DocScrutinizer> seems MOKO10 works. Update works. Fixes #666 (mostly)
Nov 28 04:03:16 <DocScrutinizer> so yeah, I'd call that kinda success story
Nov 28 04:04:25 <Dave> :D
Nov 28 04:04:50 <Dave> Now, what about #1024? ;)
Nov 28 04:05:09 <DocScrutinizer> #1024 is a nasty bugger
Nov 28 04:05:24 <DocScrutinizer> not  sure whether we'll ever fix it
Nov 28 04:05:35 <Dave> :(
Nov 28 04:06:25 <Dave> I wonder if Mwester learned anything from his fridge...
Nov 28 04:06:30 <sicu> DocScrutinizer: just had a few questions regarding GSM fw flashing, but it's already done now ;]
Nov 28 04:06:56 <sicu> will test my 3G SIM in just a few mins =]
Nov 28 04:08:34 <Dave> :D
Nov 28 04:08:44 <Dave> Sicu, what, it didn't work -at all- before?
Nov 28 04:09:31 <sicu> Dave: nope, it got as far as requesting PIN, but would never accept it
Nov 28 04:11:26 <DocScrutinizer2> wtf - konversation disconnected me :-(
Nov 28 04:11:30 <sicu> frameworkd.log always gave CME ERROR: 13 ... which is SIM failure, iirc
Nov 28 04:12:26 <sicu> doc :/
Nov 28 04:12:45 <DocScrutinizer2> sicu: moko10 won't fix that
Nov 28 04:13:42 <DocScrutinizer2> sicu: (CME ERROR) hmm, may it will
Nov 28 04:13:52 <sicu> we will find out soon enough
Nov 28 04:14:08 <vininim> mm fdom is showing wireless icon, but it's supposedly off from the config menu.
Nov 28 04:14:09 <sicu> the SIM works fine in my regular phone
Nov 28 04:14:45 <vininim> *status icon
Nov 28 04:15:11 <DocScrutinizer2> sicu: #666 is about calypso negotiating a wrong clockrate with sim on detetion/init
Nov 28 04:15:38 <Dave> I'm glad we don't use SIM PINs here :D
Nov 28 04:15:45 <Dave> not usually, anyway :p
Nov 28 04:16:37 <DocScrutinizer> so, if the card is detected and communication established between modem and sim, it's up to sw to handle PIN correctly.
Nov 28 04:17:32 <DocScrutinizer> the error you should see when init of sim fails should say "no sim detected"
Nov 28 04:17:50 <sicu> ah well, if nothing else, i've now got latest GSM fw =]
Nov 28 04:18:00 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Nov 28 04:18:35 <DocScrutinizer> and you participated in development of FR, by testing the fw-update procedure ;-)
Nov 28 04:18:59 <sicu> DocScrutinizer: ok, so with #666 you shouldn't even get a request for PIN?
Nov 28 04:19:17 <DocScrutinizer> thats how I understand it
Nov 28 04:19:35 <vininim> DocScrutinizer: is that fw-update procedure the "click" and profit one?
Nov 28 04:19:52 <DocScrutinizer> and that's why I meant "won't fix in MOKO10"
Nov 28 04:20:50 <DocScrutinizer> vininim: not sure to get you right. FW-update proc is he one described on wiki flashing page
Nov 28 04:21:38 <sicu> vininim: and the wiki flashing page involves slightly more that just a click ... but close enough ;]
Nov 28 04:22:11 <DocScrutinizer> actually the wiki is a couple of lines to c&p
Nov 28 04:24:00 <sicu> yeh, it was well written, easy to follow
Nov 28 04:25:11 <vininim> it's because I remember reading somewhere that om was packaging that in a image(?) to be boot from sdcard and would do it automatically (but that was for moko12 or something)
Nov 28 04:27:16 <sicu> it's on the doc's to-do-list, but he has more important things to do according to himself in the ML, and rightly so
Nov 28 04:27:31 <Dave> ;)
Nov 28 04:27:51 <vininim> yeah I know, just wondering if he was talking about that (because I would voluntary update it, for the kicks =P)
Nov 28 04:28:51 <sicu> =]
Nov 28 04:32:20 <DocScrutinizer> (image) probably I'll finish a first version of this during the weekend
Nov 28 04:33:22 <DocScrutinizer> vininim: and no, that's not been for MOKO12 (which may never come), but actually for MOKO10
Nov 28 04:37:49 <DocScrutinizer> basically it's rather simple: make all those c&p lines on wiki a shellscript, that's being started from inittab
Nov 28 04:38:08 <DocScrutinizer> it's rather tricky to do this in a failsafe way though ;-)
Nov 28 04:38:35 <DocScrutinizer> we're still learning :-D
Nov 28 04:39:09 <sicu> DocScrutinizer: wohoo ... success !
Nov 28 04:39:38 <sicu> it now accepted my PIN for the 3G SIM
Nov 28 04:39:56 <sicu> Moko10 works in mysterious ways ;]
Nov 28 04:40:24 <Dave> :D
Nov 28 04:41:30 <DocScrutinizer> well, even so I can't say this is a nice find, as qwe don't exactly know what's been wrong before, I'm pleased to hear it fixed your problem :-)
Nov 28 04:45:28 <sicu> i still have logs for ophonekitd and frameworkd if that would be of any interest, if not, i'm just glad all my SIM's now work =]
Nov 28 04:46:01 <d-b> hi there for shr is there any development in including a voip app ?
Nov 28 04:47:09 <sicu> not that i am aware of so far
Nov 28 04:47:21 <sicu> you could request it in shr trac
Nov 28 04:47:49 <Dave> So Sicu, are your worries over? :D
Nov 28 04:47:55 <Dave> or do problems still exist?
Nov 28 04:49:03 <d-b> mmm. would be nice to get voip on these things after all. ^^ --> debian works but it would be great to like other phones have it built in and auto switch (if wifi is available)
Nov 28 04:49:43 <sicu> or wait and ask the devs, Ainulindale og quickdev, they'll be back at a more reasonable time of day (europe)
Nov 28 04:50:24 <sicu> Dave: 1 worry gone .... several to go ;p
Nov 28 04:57:52 <sicu> DocScrutinizer: let me know if you're interested in the log files, i have 2 sets of DEBUG log files (ophonekitd+frameworkd) from when i had the problems before i flashed Moko10
Nov 28 04:58:27 <sicu> but now it's bedtime ... nite ppl
Nov 28 05:02:30 <DocScrutinizer> sicu: could you report on this, with exact type of card, on wiki page (discussion)?
Nov 28 05:03:24 <DocScrutinizer> (that's fixing #666 by moko10, not the logfiles)
Nov 28 05:52:19 <kd8ikt> 2GB sandisk works for me
Nov 28 07:14:52 <Sargun> I'm surprised there aren't any OM developers in the USA
Nov 28 07:18:28 <Sargun> How much free memory do we have? 
Nov 28 08:15:07 <snake> morning
Nov 28 08:16:08 <snake> what do if i get gsm timeout each time when using gprs?
Nov 28 08:17:54 <snake> now i sitting there via neo, so if u will se my time out don't surprise :)
Nov 28 08:18:34 <snake> sorry, via FR* if it matter
Nov 28 08:23:27 <Sargun> snake, FSO?
Nov 28 08:23:41 <snake> íóç
Nov 28 08:23:46 <Sargun> wtf? 
Nov 28 08:23:48 <snake> oops, yes
Nov 28 08:24:04 <Sargun> uhm, so it releases after a few seconds? 
Nov 28 08:24:14 <snake> sometimes
Nov 28 08:24:19 <Sargun> uhm
Nov 28 08:24:26 <Sargun> so, is the timeout predictable 
Nov 28 08:24:37 <snake> now, it is working >5 mins
Nov 28 08:24:50 <Sargun> huh
Nov 28 08:24:56 <Sargun> so, it eventually works 
Nov 28 08:25:25 <snake> i suspect that depend on network status changed event
Nov 28 08:25:49 <snake> or something similar, i'm not expert
Nov 28 08:28:19 <snake> thought that happend when calypso go to sleep, so i disable deep sleep mode, but it don't help
Nov 28 08:32:03 <snake> gsm firmware moko 10
Nov 28 08:34:15 <Sargun> uhm can you make calls.
Nov 28 08:34:45 <snake> when gprs is working?
Nov 28 08:36:57 <Sargun> no
Nov 28 08:37:05 <Sargun> I mean independently.
Nov 28 08:38:17 <snake> yep, i can. but i not sure can i make calls afre X hours work of gsm. 
Nov 28 08:38:32 <Sargun> So, what's rong
Nov 28 08:38:34 <snake> i need check it
Nov 28 08:38:34 <Sargun> wrong
Nov 28 08:40:58 <snake> couldn't say it, because i get wsod after some time of work FR. Yesterday i disable blank screen, so i hope that helps solve wsod
Nov 28 08:41:13 <snake> so i can test gsm calls today, and then say results
Nov 28 08:41:24 <Sargun> you did something wrong. 
Nov 28 08:41:31 <snake> wht
Nov 28 08:44:28 <Ainulindale> raster: hey
Nov 28 08:44:38 * raster hides
Nov 28 08:44:46 <Ainulindale> raster: Quick question anyway
Nov 28 08:44:52 <Ainulindale> How to reenable the wrench?
Nov 28 08:45:01 <Ainulindale> (And I don't have this menu on the close button)
Nov 28 08:45:48 <raster> ummmm
Nov 28 08:45:59 <raster> you're int a bit of trouble
Nov 28 08:46:16 <raster> ad the gui config to enable/disable it is... int he config brought up by it
Nov 28 08:46:30 <raster> so you've basically done the same as rm -f /lib/libc*
Nov 28 08:46:31 <raster> :)
Nov 28 08:46:57 <Ainulindale> Well, I just opkg upgraded.
Nov 28 08:47:03 <Ainulindale> So I guess rm -rf .e ?
Nov 28 08:47:09 <raster> aaah
Nov 28 08:47:16 <raster> you wont have the conf module loaded
Nov 28 08:47:17 <raster> thats why
Nov 28 08:47:22 <raster> u an do that with e_remote
Nov 28 08:47:32 <raster> load then enable conf module
Nov 28 08:50:12 <Ainulindale> Hmmm
Nov 28 08:50:25 <Ainulindale> Is there a way to do that automatically through a config package?
Nov 28 08:50:33 <Ainulindale> (Rhetorical question)
Nov 28 08:51:13 <Ainulindale> raster: as I replaced our way to ship our conf, which was ugly, by two packages, theme and config
Nov 28 08:56:47 <raster> no
Nov 28 08:56:55 <raster> as the config belongs to the user
Nov 28 08:57:13 <raster> all you can do is break the users config version #
Nov 28 08:57:17 <raster> and that is done in code
Nov 28 08:57:58 <raster> ie if the app believes its config has changed to the point where its so bad the users config needs wiping and resetting
Nov 28 08:59:53 <raster> you also did upgrade your svnrev in the middle of upstream changing a whole host of stuff
Nov 28 08:59:54 <raster> :)
Nov 28 09:02:10 <methril> morning
Nov 28 09:36:29 <Ainulindale> raster: you told me to
Nov 28 09:36:33 <Ainulindale> raster: (to update to a rev)
Nov 28 09:36:52 <Ainulindale> raster: so, what's my solution? Wipe out the conf?
Nov 28 09:39:06 <raster> thats because you wanted some features
Nov 28 09:39:08 <raster> :)
Nov 28 09:39:37 <raster> as i said
Nov 28 09:39:41 <raster> enlightenment_remote
Nov 28 09:39:41 <alfa21_> good morning dear devs :)
Nov 28 09:39:47 <raster> youcan load and enable the module
Nov 28 09:39:54 <raster> you can also just wipe your config
Nov 28 09:41:19 <Ainulindale> raster: Ok then I'll do that
Nov 28 09:41:29 <Ainulindale> raster: I was just looking for a solution for the other people :-)
Nov 28 09:41:35 <Ainulindale> I don't care not having the wrench myself
Nov 28 09:42:17 <Ainulindale> raster: Oh and, ophonekitd is now a dbus daemon, it could be interesting to use it to do several stuff in conjunction with illume
Nov 28 09:44:07 <a21_work> about enlightment gadgets: may I hilight a strange behaviour about the battery one?
Nov 28 09:44:23 <Ainulindale> raster: and removing my conf didn't restore the wrench
Nov 28 09:45:06 <raster> you didnt merge allt he changes from illume' upsteram conf then to shr :)
Nov 28 09:45:15 <Ainulindale> That may be the case actually
Nov 28 09:45:20 <raster> as the conf module was added to the module load list by default
Nov 28 09:45:28 <Ainulindale> Ok then, pointer to the file please? :-)
Nov 28 09:45:34 <raster> and the illume-cfg gadget was replaced by the confg gadget
Nov 28 09:45:35 <raster> :)
Nov 28 09:45:39 <a21_work> if you choose the "minimal" setting instead of "illume", the battery gadget is clickable and shows the remaining charge... if you use "illume" the gadget seems the same but non clickable
Nov 28 09:45:40 <raster> in e src.
Nov 28 09:45:43 <raster> e.src
Nov 28 09:45:47 <raster> in the illume profile config
Nov 28 09:45:47 <raster> :)
Nov 28 09:45:51 <Ainulindale> raster: yeah I got that, just trying to find the URL :-)
Nov 28 09:46:02 <a21_work> (the green battery)
Nov 28 09:46:04 <raster> a21_work:  i know
Nov 28 09:46:09 <raster> nothng to do with battery
Nov 28 09:46:10 <Ainulindale> oh and raster 
Nov 28 09:46:15 <raster> to do with the shelf and theme
Nov 28 09:46:16 <Ainulindale> I can confirm the exquisite thing
Nov 28 09:46:31 <Ainulindale> Removing it results in half boot time
Nov 28 09:46:33 <raster> Ainulindale:  doesnt help me
Nov 28 09:46:46 <Ainulindale> I know, but can't do more than that, sorry
Nov 28 09:46:49 <raster> dont have any time to look into it
Nov 28 09:47:00 <Ainulindale> raster: Just doing that so you know :-)
Nov 28 09:48:24 <Ainulindale> (do you remember the full path of the file on SVN?)
Nov 28 09:49:02 <Ainulindale> (e/config/illume IIRC?)
Nov 28 09:49:38 <valos[fr]> a21_work: a tip, you can show the remaining charge if battery gadget is in hidden gadgets
Nov 28 09:50:11 <a21_work> always about gadgets: do you know if you try do change (add/remove) your shelf gadgets then you get the white screen of death by enlightment?
Nov 28 09:50:45 <a21_work> not immediatly... but about a minute after the change
Nov 28 09:51:26 <raster> Ainulindale:  yes
Nov 28 09:52:25 <Ainulindale> raster: too bad I can't see the file as raw on websvn (or can't find how to do it)
Nov 28 09:53:38 <Ainulindale> (Well, let's bitbake -c unpack)
Nov 28 09:55:24 <Ainulindale> Though now it'll be easier to ship our config anyway
Nov 28 09:55:35 <Ainulindale> Nice icon for the wrench by the way
Nov 28 09:56:19 <Ainulindale> And nice changes on the config menu
Nov 28 09:57:06 <Ainulindale> raster: should I also change the config for modules?
Nov 28 09:57:51 <raster> you can see the whole file on websvn
Nov 28 09:57:52 <raster> :)
Nov 28 09:58:59 <raster> http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/e/config/illume/e.src
Nov 28 09:59:42 <Ainulindale> Yeah but can't copy it without copying the lines :-)
Nov 28 10:01:42 <raster> it does like to fancy it up
Nov 28 10:01:59 <raster> you can at the bottom of the page.. just clikc.. "original format"
Nov 28 10:02:00 <raster> :)
Nov 28 10:02:15 <Sargun> how do you get the SIM's ICCID
Nov 28 10:02:18 <raster> or plaintext
Nov 28 10:05:18 <raster> Ainulindale:  btw - config icon is just the default. it needs some sprucing up.
Nov 28 10:05:33 <raster> i just quickly added a config gadget to the conf module so it could rpelace illuems internal conf panel
Nov 28 10:05:40 <raster> as now you just are using e's default conf panel
Nov 28 10:05:48 <raster> i fixed it so it works on small screens better
Nov 28 10:06:00 <raster> i'll slowly but surely fix everything to be able to do that
Nov 28 10:06:17 <raster> and modules - hmm likely not
Nov 28 10:06:21 <raster> but just diff and check
Nov 28 10:11:22 <Ainulindale> raster: night thing
Nov 28 10:11:25 <Ainulindale> (already doing the diff)
Nov 28 10:11:26 <Ainulindale> By the way
Nov 28 10:11:33 <Ainulindale> is there a doc or specs for the config module?
Nov 28 10:11:37 <Ainulindale> I was wondering about delayed and such
Nov 28 10:12:36 <raster> you mean in the modules list?
Nov 28 10:12:39 <Ainulindale> yes
Nov 28 10:12:46 <Ainulindale> Or something such as an editor to view the diff
Nov 28 10:12:52 <raster> delayed means e will load those moduels after it's started itself
Nov 28 10:12:56 <raster> at some point after starting
Nov 28 10:13:00 <raster> (unspecified)
Nov 28 10:13:07 <raster> ie let e and the core of everything start sooner
Nov 28 10:13:20 <raster> delayed stuff is just optional goop you dont have to have to begin doing stuff
Nov 28 10:13:30 <Ainulindale> raster: Or a raster to go to validate the config for me
Nov 28 10:13:34 <Ainulindale> =)
Nov 28 10:15:01 <Ainulindale> raster: well anyway, what should I really check on the diff?
Nov 28 10:15:37 <raster> just looks what changed
Nov 28 10:15:39 <raster> shouldnt be much
Nov 28 10:15:42 <raster> for the modules config
Nov 28 10:15:48 <raster> for e.src - a lot will have
Nov 28 10:16:12 <Ainulindale> I have a lot of changes, but that's because the modules are not ordered the same way
Nov 28 10:28:26 <Ainulindale> Hey Hire o/
Nov 28 10:28:53 <Hire> hey ainulindale \o
Nov 28 10:29:23 <Hire> yesterday i didn't see raster
Nov 28 10:30:59 <Ainulindale> I just talked to him
Nov 28 10:31:01 <Ainulindale> Thanks anyway Hire 
Nov 28 10:31:06 <Hire> ah nice :D
Nov 28 10:31:08 <Ainulindale> Currently rebuilding the conf
Nov 28 10:35:27 <Ainulindale> raster: "no pam support" 
Nov 28 10:35:28 <Ainulindale> (locking)
Nov 28 10:36:20 <Ainulindale> suspends doesn't seem to work either
Nov 28 10:36:31 <Ainulindale> How would you do the replacement for dbus calls, raster?
Nov 28 10:36:57 <Ainulindale> (shutdown works though)
Nov 28 10:37:20 <Ainulindale> Though I have only the three top icons, not the two other one
Nov 28 10:37:26 <Ainulindale> Hire: update upgrade please
Nov 28 10:38:07 <Hire> sure :)
Nov 28 10:39:10 <raster> AndreasD: lock just uses e's desklock
Nov 28 10:39:17 <raster> its not geared to mobile devices (yet)
Nov 28 10:39:23 <a21_work> in the addressbook, is possible to substitute the "call" button under "options" sub-menu with a "sms" button instead? the "call" button is already near "options" button
Nov 28 10:39:27 <Ainulindale> oh ok raster 
Nov 28 10:39:27 <raster> and so uses pam and requires a keyboard and you to enter your password
Nov 28 10:39:42 <raster> for suspend - see sysactions.conf in /etc/enlightenment
Nov 28 10:39:47 <Ainulindale> raster: My questions was more
Nov 28 10:39:49 <a21_work> imho is a redundancy
Nov 28 10:39:50 <Ainulindale> How should we package that?
Nov 28 10:39:51 <raster> whatever the command there is for suspend is what e executed
Nov 28 10:39:53 <raster> executes
Nov 28 10:40:05 <Ainulindale> Is there a way to modify this by shipping a conf?
Nov 28 10:40:07 <raster> its up to the integrator to make sysactions.conf custom for their system
Nov 28 10:40:17 <raster> however u want to suspend/hibernate/shut down etc.
Nov 28 10:40:19 <raster> and whatusers/groups can
Nov 28 10:40:19 <raster> etc.
Nov 28 10:40:27 <raster> yes
Nov 28 10:40:31 <raster> hceck sysactions.conf
Nov 28 10:40:37 <raster> in /etc/enlightenment/
Nov 28 10:41:22 <Ainulindale> And how should we manage updates then?
Nov 28 10:41:35 <raster> that file hasnt changed config for years
Nov 28 10:41:43 <raster> that is just what we ship out of the box
Nov 28 10:41:45 <Ainulindale> I didn't mean that
Nov 28 10:41:48 <raster> you are meant to provide one of your own
Nov 28 10:41:49 <Ainulindale> If I upgrade e-wm
Nov 28 10:41:51 <raster> its not a user config
Nov 28 10:41:52 <raster> its system
Nov 28 10:42:03 <Ainulindale> It'll surely want to upgrade the config file too
Nov 28 10:42:04 <Nobody96> moin
Nov 28 10:42:04 <raster> thats up to you
Nov 28 10:42:24 <raster> you could write a module of your own that check ssome system file flag
Nov 28 10:42:30 <raster> and if it sees something wipes a users cfg
Nov 28 10:42:37 <raster> but upsteram doesnt provide this
Nov 28 10:42:39 <Ainulindale> Err
Nov 28 10:42:44 <raster> as we still are unreleased
Nov 28 10:42:47 <Ainulindale> Can't see the link with what you're telling me and what I asked : -)
Nov 28 10:42:52 <Ainulindale> I was just telling
Nov 28 10:42:54 <raster> thus we happily will break config and not provide a holding-hand
Nov 28 10:42:55 <raster> :)
Nov 28 10:42:55 <Ainulindale> If I upgrade e
Nov 28 10:43:07 <Ainulindale> It'll surely want to wipe out my own conf file with its fresh one
Nov 28 10:43:35 <raster> thats up to you
Nov 28 10:43:41 <raster> you could write a module of your own that check some system file flag
Nov 28 10:43:42 <raster> ...
Nov 28 10:43:50 <Ainulindale> It's not E related
Nov 28 10:43:53 <Ainulindale> It's related to packaging
Nov 28 10:43:57 <Ainulindale> (IMHO)
Nov 28 10:44:10 <raster> thats up to you
Nov 28 10:44:12 <raster> you could write a module of your own that check some system file flag
Nov 28 10:44:12 <Ainulindale> And we talked about tying the sysconv menu to power by the way, did you try that locally?
Nov 28 10:44:13 <raster> ...
Nov 28 10:44:24 <Ainulindale> raster: I think your vynil is a bit scratched :- )
Nov 28 10:44:30 <Ainulindale> s/vynil/vinyl/
Nov 28 10:44:38 <raster> (i am not changing my answer - i gave you a solution that'd work)
Nov 28 10:44:38 <raster> :)
Nov 28 10:44:43 <Ainulindale> Well
Nov 28 10:44:44 <raster> you write a module
Nov 28 10:44:47 <raster> call it "shrconfig"
Nov 28 10:44:49 <raster> or whatever
Nov 28 10:44:51 <raster> doesnt matter
Nov 28 10:44:59 <raster> addiit to your config as a module to always load
Nov 28 10:45:01 <raster> that module
Nov 28 10:45:03 <raster> when e starts
Nov 28 10:45:06 <raster> checks a file
Nov 28 10:45:07 <Ainulindale> The solution isn't a good one, as it leads to development instead of packaging 
Nov 28 10:45:10 <Ainulindale> (to me)
Nov 28 10:45:15 <raster> /usr/share/shr/wipe-my-config
Nov 28 10:45:18 <raster> if it exists
Nov 28 10:45:35 <raster> and is newer than ~/.e/e/shr-wipe-my-config
Nov 28 10:45:52 <raster> then 1. touch ~/.w/w/shr-wipe-my-config
Nov 28 10:45:58 <raster> (so its now newer than the system one)
Nov 28 10:46:04 <raster> 2. wipe config and reset to default
Nov 28 10:46:08 <raster> 3. restart e
Nov 28 10:46:23 <raster> you have no solution as you have no hook
Nov 28 10:46:28 <raster> e is not providing any hooks
Nov 28 10:46:45 <raster> a users config is their own kingdom and the user is in charge
Nov 28 10:46:57 <raster> e wont wipe config unless it literally has no other choice
Nov 28 10:47:07 <raster> and it wont do that just because something small in illume changed
Nov 28 10:47:13 <Ainulindale> I think I'm going to build a package out of that then
Nov 28 10:47:15 <raster> we have 10000's fo desktop users
Nov 28 10:47:20 <Ainulindale> Because your solution isn't a good one, sorry to say that :-)
Nov 28 10:47:24 <a21_work> and what if you wipe a config of a user with personalized wallpaper, icons and such?
Nov 28 10:47:27 <raster> *IF* you have a small module
Nov 28 10:47:38 <raster> whose only job in life is to check some system (packaged) file
Nov 28 10:47:44 <raster> and do some e-specific actins based on it
Nov 28 10:47:50 <Ainulindale> raster: Though you didn't answer to a more important question (to me) : what about syscon menu on power? :-)
Nov 28 10:47:51 <raster> you have inserted the hook you want to do anything you like
Nov 28 10:47:51 <a21_work> maybe a user do not like an "auto wipe" feature
Nov 28 10:47:54 <a21_work> ;)
Nov 28 10:48:00 <Ainulindale> a21_work: I for one, don't like it :l-)
Nov 28 10:48:04 <Ainulindale> -l
Nov 28 10:48:06 <raster> syscon menu on power?
Nov 28 10:48:12 <Ainulindale> yep
Nov 28 10:48:15 <Ainulindale> instead of the cross
Nov 28 10:48:25 <Ainulindale> I don't like clicking on crosses :-)
Nov 28 10:48:33 <Hire> here it is upgrading
Nov 28 10:48:48 <Ainulindale> Hire: next thing, remove your .e dir and restart
Nov 28 10:49:00 <Ainulindale> And try the settings menu and click on the cross while on home
Nov 28 10:49:12 <Ainulindale> And thanks raster after that 
Nov 28 10:50:14 <Ainulindale> raster: we talked two days ago IIRC about the tie between power and the menu to suspend and shutdown
Nov 28 10:50:17 <Ainulindale> I'd like to use that
Nov 28 10:50:42 <Ainulindale> I'd also like to see if there's a way to trigger this lock screen from illume
Nov 28 10:50:48 <Ainulindale> (the non pam related)
Nov 28 10:53:14 <raster> Ainulindale: the physical power button?
Nov 28 10:53:24 <Ainulindale> yes
Nov 28 10:53:29 <raster> already done
Nov 28 10:53:32 <raster> see the key bindings
Nov 28 10:53:41 <raster> the problem is x isnt creating keystrokes
Nov 28 10:53:45 <raster> thus... not going to work
Nov 28 10:53:49 <raster> on asu (2008.x) it does
Nov 28 10:54:07 <raster> so whatever is missing in oe/fso/shr that is in om 2008.x needs to be fixed
Nov 28 10:54:16 <raster> so x generates keystrokes on aux and power butotn presses
Nov 28 10:54:16 <Ainulindale> Hmmmm
Nov 28 10:54:32 <Ainulindale> I fear this is far beyond my area of expertise :!-)
Nov 28 10:54:45 <raster> but it does work
Nov 28 10:54:50 <raster> it has worked before
Nov 28 10:55:00 <raster> its really just a matter of x not delivering events
Nov 28 10:55:13 <Ainulindale> Why would it be?
Nov 28 10:55:40 <raster> why would it not be delivering events?
Nov 28 10:55:47 <Ainulindale> yes
Nov 28 10:55:51 <raster> i havent looked
Nov 28 10:56:05 <raster> either it is missing extended keycode patches that om put into xglamo
Nov 28 10:57:04 <Ainulindale> hmmm
Nov 28 10:57:09 <Ainulindale> Well anyway I'll look into that
Nov 28 10:57:18 <Ainulindale> Last question before I'll leave you in peace
Nov 28 10:57:31 <Ainulindale> Are the two bottom buttons supposed to have an icon?
Nov 28 10:58:13 <a21_work> and what's the function of them?
Nov 28 10:58:23 <dcordes-kais> mickey|zzZZzz the singleline seems to work on te gta03 modem, too
Nov 28 10:58:23 <Ainulindale> I suppose their function is customizable
Nov 28 10:58:57 <raster> Ainulindale:  yes. bottom 2 should have icons
Nov 28 10:59:02 <raster> but likely your theme is missing them
Nov 28 10:59:03 <raster> :)
Nov 28 10:59:06 <Ainulindale> That was my guess
Nov 28 10:59:21 <raster> but they should be close and home
Nov 28 10:59:24 <raster> the idea is:
Nov 28 10:59:39 <raster> u have a fullscreen app that is stupid and doenst provide an "easy" way to exit
Nov 28 10:59:45 <raster> so just whack power button
Nov 28 11:00:01 <raster> and u can suspend. lock, shut down, or go home or close the app
Nov 28 11:00:08 <Ainulindale> Nice, nice
Nov 28 11:00:12 <Ainulindale> I'll look into the missing files later
Nov 28 11:00:15 <Ainulindale> For now, I'm going to e at
Nov 28 11:00:23 <Ainulindale> Thanks for the info raster as always :-)
Nov 28 11:00:46 <raster> but that should solve some long-standing issues with fullscreen apps and easy suspend/shutdown and lock stuff
Nov 28 11:00:56 <raster> at least put in place the core hooks
Nov 28 11:00:59 <raster> syscon is a module
Nov 28 11:01:12 <raster> if u dont like the way it works - its a module and can be replaced with something else
Nov 28 11:01:12 <raster> :)
Nov 28 11:02:34 <Hire> ARgh
Nov 28 11:02:38 <Hire> i hate my works!
Nov 28 11:03:42 <a21_work> raster: cool
Nov 28 11:04:07 <a21_work> for istance, if u put midori in fullscreen u cannot quit
Nov 28 11:04:17 <raster> i'm just tryijng to cover as much of "desktop AND phone" in the same modules in upstream
Nov 28 11:04:23 <raster> to save having to replace much or anything
Nov 28 11:04:26 <raster> just change some config
Nov 28 11:06:55 <Hire> Ainulindale: weird, it works :D
Nov 28 11:08:37 <Hire> cool
Nov 28 11:08:40 <Hire> very cool
Nov 28 11:08:54 <Hire> now we need a module to configure other things as suspend, gps, gsm, wifi, bluetooth
Nov 28 11:11:53 <raster> yeah
Nov 28 11:11:56 <raster> all in good time
Nov 28 11:12:10 <raster> i just want to get the core clean and "right"
Nov 28 11:15:57 <a21_work> devs: should I open a ticket about my suggestion of the sms button instead call in the addressbook? or it's a "wontfix" yet?
Nov 28 11:16:24 <a21_work> ;)
Nov 28 11:16:31 <raster> eeeekselleeent
Nov 28 11:16:39 <raster> 106% speedup
Nov 28 11:16:43 <raster> 17%...
Nov 28 11:16:46 <raster> 309%..
Nov 28 11:16:47 <raster> and...
Nov 28 11:16:50 <raster> 1236%
Nov 28 11:16:57 <raster> yum yum yum yum
Nov 28 11:17:02 <a21_work> speedup % of what?
Nov 28 11:17:15 <a21_work> 1236% what?
Nov 28 11:19:22 <a21_work> raster: ?
Nov 28 11:22:07 <a21_work> :(
Nov 28 11:40:05 <raster> rendering
Nov 28 11:40:08 <raster> frames per second
Nov 28 11:40:35 <raster> from 32.7fps to 436.99fps
Nov 28 11:45:11 <dolf1074> elementary-sms doesn't use edje, why?
Nov 28 11:45:57 <dolf1074> raster?
Nov 28 11:46:30 <raster> it does
Nov 28 11:46:35 <raster> elementary uses edje
Nov 28 11:46:49 <dolf1074> but you don't use edje files?
Nov 28 11:46:55 <raster> yes
Nov 28 11:46:58 <raster> elementary does
Nov 28 11:47:39 <dolf1074> is there some documentation on elementary? a little tutorial?
Nov 28 11:47:54 <raster> yes
Nov 28 11:47:56 <raster> see test.c
Nov 28 11:47:59 <raster> and Elementary.h
Nov 28 11:48:03 <raster> in the src
Nov 28 11:48:05 <raster> :)
Nov 28 11:48:58 <dolf1074> wow, my head can't handle so much new names. e, etk, elementary, edje, evas ;)
Nov 28 11:49:13 <dcordes> mickey|zzZZzz, ping
Nov 28 11:54:51 <raster> each one does something specific
Nov 28 11:55:52 <dolf1074> Does the test file use a .edc file? Because I can't find any reference to a edc file
Nov 28 11:57:35 <raster> it doesnt use a edje file directly except for 1 widget
Nov 28 11:57:40 <raster> (the layout widget)
Nov 28 11:58:04 <raster> layout widget just uses an edje file and wraps edje a bit and swallows children and handles minimum size calculation
Nov 28 11:58:48 <dolf1074> okay
Nov 28 12:09:17 <a21_work> raster: to get the improvements about previous %... do I allready get'em with opkgupgrade right now or I have to wait?
Nov 28 12:09:59 <raster> no
Nov 28 12:10:02 <raster> u'll have to wait
Nov 28 12:10:04 <raster> not even in svn yet
Nov 28 12:10:08 <raster> as i'm finding bugs
Nov 28 12:12:01 <a21_work> fine :)
Nov 28 12:15:42 <a21_work> #159 added
Nov 28 12:27:44 <dolf1074> a21_work: did you reported #160?
Nov 28 13:00:52 <Ainulindale> Here again
Nov 28 13:01:35 <Ainulindale> raster: what do you mean by "core hooks"?
Nov 28 13:01:47 <Ainulindale> mickey|zzZZzz: ping when available please
Nov 28 13:01:55 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5e0ece806b7f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (9 files in 4 dirs): 
Nov 28 13:01:55 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: major refactoring of call handling into abstract callHandler.
Nov 28 13:01:55 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: WARNING: Work in progress -- this might destabilize callhandling for a while
Nov 28 13:01:56 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r0d8946023f97 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/channel.py: 
Nov 28 13:01:58 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix a bug when using singleline channel
Nov 28 13:02:00 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: This patch add the methods `setIntermediateResponseCallback` and
Nov 28 13:02:02 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: `handleUnsolicitedResponse` into AbstractModemChannel.
Nov 28 13:02:04 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r79418c6cc20f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/singleline/modem.py: ogsmd: use 'serial' conf parameter to find the serial line in single line modem
Nov 28 13:02:06 <Ainulindale> Hire: for GSM there's a settings screen for disabling/enabling
Nov 28 13:02:07 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r485c3d5e3dcd 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: fix a bug : string.translate fails with unicode text
Nov 28 13:08:22 <Ainulindale> raster: for the syscon thing
Nov 28 13:08:33 <Ainulindale> Why not doing a thing such as shudown.d, suspend.d?
Nov 28 13:08:37 <Ainulindale> With user defined conf?
Nov 28 13:19:31 <Ainulindale> Hire: do you have an account on trac?
Nov 28 13:20:01 <Hire> no :)
Nov 28 13:20:38 <Ainulindale> Hire: I'd like to assign the default for shr-theme to you
Nov 28 13:20:40 <Ainulindale> Hire: By the way
Nov 28 13:20:46 <Ainulindale> We have a shr theme for illume
Nov 28 13:20:49 <MarcOChapeau> hey there :)
Nov 28 13:20:51 <Ainulindale> When will yours be available?
Nov 28 13:20:54 <Ainulindale> MarcOChapeau: hey
Nov 28 13:20:57 <Ainulindale> update upgrade please MarcOChapeau 
Nov 28 13:21:03 <Ainulindale> New stuff =)
Nov 28 13:21:09 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: I will, when I get a connection ;)
Nov 28 13:21:19 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: I have a suggestion
Nov 28 13:21:32 <Ainulindale> Let's hear it then
Nov 28 13:21:42 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: /var/log/ophonekitd.log should have timestamps to make the logs useful
Nov 28 13:21:45 <Hire> Ainulindale: when I will finished it :D
Nov 28 13:21:55 <Ainulindale> MarcOChapeau: yes it should
Nov 28 13:22:01 <Hire> but i don't know why
Nov 28 13:22:03 <Ainulindale> Hire: then please see shr-overlay
Nov 28 13:22:08 <Ainulindale> Hire: the theme data is there
Nov 28 13:22:22 <Ainulindale> Could you show me how it looks like?
Nov 28 13:23:02 <Ainulindale> Hire: http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=tree;f=openembedded/packages/e-wm-theme-illume-shr/e-wm-theme-illume-shr;h=bc5cb32e70da924b0f73104cf96337521ebbe5a2;hb=HEAD
Nov 28 13:23:05 <MarcOChapeau> I have another question... what does midori do ?
Nov 28 13:23:09 <Ainulindale> web browser
Nov 28 13:23:10 <Hire> sadly, not. i had to much work in office so i don't have do so much I had expected ..
Nov 28 13:23:30 <Ainulindale> Hire: tell me when you'll be available then
Nov 28 13:23:31 <MarcOChapeau> ooohhh!
Nov 28 13:23:33 <MarcOChapeau> cool
Nov 28 13:23:41 <Hire> Ainulindale: sure 
Nov 28 13:27:18 <a21_work> dolf1074: yes
Nov 28 13:30:04 <MarcOChapeau> hmm, still no recamping detected even in my office
Nov 28 13:30:54 <dolf1074> a21_work: I can confirm it. (I first though it was something from the past, because it was a solved for a while. But now I have updated and experiencing the same problem)
Nov 28 13:32:44 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: which problem?
Nov 28 13:32:45 <Ainulindale> hey stefan_schmidt 
Nov 28 13:32:54 <Ainulindale> Are you available for a quick Q&A? :-)
Nov 28 13:33:18 <Ainulindale> ptitjes?
Nov 28 13:33:40 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: Partially. Just recieved my shiny new Lenvo Thinkpad X200s. Need to prepare PXE linux. :)
Nov 28 13:33:46 <a21_work> dolf1074: please add a reply to the ticket ;)
Nov 28 13:33:46 <Ainulindale> Heh :-)
Nov 28 13:33:48 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: well
Nov 28 13:33:59 <Ainulindale> I bumped illume to a more recent version
Nov 28 13:34:02 <DocScrutinizer2> Ainulindale: huh? no problems here :-L
Nov 28 13:34:03 <Ainulindale> There's now a screen to suspend
Nov 28 13:34:08 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: sorry, wrong tab
Nov 28 13:34:09 <MarcOChapeau> wooho!
Nov 28 13:34:16 <dolf1074> a21_work: I will look into it for a fix ;)
Nov 28 13:34:19 <a21_work> Ainulindale: #160
Nov 28 13:34:22 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: Though this screen calls command in a conf file
Nov 28 13:34:36 <dolf1074> tonight or tomorrow
Nov 28 13:34:39 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: I won't be able to update this file package-wise because it'll complain about something providing it
Nov 28 13:34:47 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: So why not build a package for it?
Nov 28 13:35:05 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: (/etc/enlightenment/sysactions.conf)
Nov 28 13:35:22 <Ainulindale> MarcOChapeau: woohoo?
Nov 28 13:35:37 <Ainulindale> a21_work: sms?
Nov 28 13:35:42 <a21_work> yes
Nov 28 13:35:51 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: splash screen  for suspend
Nov 28 13:35:54 <Ainulindale> Ok, will bug quickdev for that
Nov 28 13:35:59 <Ainulindale> MarcOChapeau: no splash screen
Nov 28 13:36:05 <Ainulindale> suspend won't work as is with illume
Nov 28 13:36:13 <Ainulindale> If you don't modify the sysactions.conf file
Nov 28 13:36:14 <a21_work> we have a default string when writing a new sms
Nov 28 13:36:26 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: there's also an issue with X keystrokes
Nov 28 13:36:29 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: oh, ok
Nov 28 13:36:30 <Ainulindale> e.g. power not being taken into account
Nov 28 13:36:40 <Ainulindale> (I'd like to bind the screen I was talking about to power)
Nov 28 13:36:50 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: I would guess that it is marked as conf file in the recipe. Needs user interaction before overriding it hen
Nov 28 13:36:57 <stefan_schmidt> NOt sure how well opkg handles this
Nov 28 13:37:17 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: It handles it well, though I think it should be separated as a specific package
Nov 28 13:37:21 <Ainulindale> As it implies system configuration
Nov 28 13:37:27 <Ainulindale> And customization
Nov 28 13:37:37 <stefan_schmidt> hmm
Nov 28 13:37:42 <Ainulindale> I can do that if necessary
Nov 28 13:37:47 <Ainulindale> Ah and
Nov 28 13:37:52 <Ainulindale> regarding your answer to mine about opimd
Nov 28 13:37:57 <Ainulindale> Don't worry about my time
Nov 28 13:37:59 <Ainulindale> I have time
Nov 28 13:38:05 <stefan_schmidt> heh
Nov 28 13:38:13 <stefan_schmidt> That I hear seldomly from people :)
Nov 28 13:38:15 <Ainulindale> I don't intend to be everywhere
Nov 28 13:38:22 <Ainulindale> But I need opimd for SHR
Nov 28 13:38:26 <Ainulindale> And I need it for me too
Nov 28 13:38:42 <Ainulindale> Even though I probably won't be able to take into account the whole picture
Nov 28 13:38:47 <DocScrutinizer2> Ainulindale: pass it over to me, all your spare time. I can use it
Nov 28 13:38:49 <Ainulindale> I'll be able to develop features if necessary
Nov 28 13:38:51 <stefan_schmidt> We really appreciate your offer. Just need to sort out some other stuff befoe we can decide here.
Nov 28 13:38:53 <a21_work> cool openvpn added!?!?! now I'll try it!!!
Nov 28 13:38:56 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: no problem
Nov 28 13:39:00 <Ainulindale> a21_work: wait a minute
Nov 28 13:39:06 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: Such non-technical issues suck a bit
Nov 28 13:39:11 <Ainulindale> Regenerating package-index
Nov 28 13:39:15 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: indeed
Nov 28 13:39:21 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: Just be aware that I truly want to help
Nov 28 13:39:30 <a21_work> a minute for ovpn?
Nov 28 13:39:44 <Ainulindale> a21_work: I just regenerated package-index, you can update/install
Nov 28 13:39:53 <Ainulindale> wait ten seconds for the index to be there
Nov 28 13:39:54 <a21_work> ok tnx
Nov 28 13:39:58 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: For the extra package. I'm not sure about it. It still somehow is connected to the stuff in the package. Not sure if separating is good here. May ask raster
Nov 28 13:40:25 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: separate package as in PACKAGE_${PN}-sysconfs
Nov 28 13:40:29 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: yeah, trust on your help. We see what great work you do here. :)
Nov 28 13:40:40 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: hmm
Nov 28 13:40:41 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: if we don't do that we can't change the actions
Nov 28 13:40:45 <Ainulindale> And we need to change the actions
Nov 28 13:40:47 <Ainulindale> If we don't, we can't suspend
Nov 28 13:40:53 <Ainulindale> (dbus-send etc)
Nov 28 13:41:00 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: You have your points on this.
Nov 28 13:41:08 <Ainulindale> I have a big point indeed
Nov 28 13:41:11 <Ainulindale> :->
Nov 28 13:41:17 <stefan_schmidt> lol
Nov 28 13:41:45 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: I'd also like to know if there's any possible way to dynamically forbid frameworkd to change brightness settings at runtime
Nov 28 13:41:50 <Ainulindale> Without removing the rules
Nov 28 13:42:04 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: I would like to have mickey|zzZZzz opinion as he maintains E in OE.
Nov 28 13:42:19 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: same here, I pinged him ten minutes ago, I guess he's busy
Nov 28 13:42:27 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: Sleeping ;)
Nov 28 13:42:35 <Ainulindale> Lazy germans
Nov 28 13:42:55 * stefan_schmidt is off now, too. Just need another view at my notebook
Nov 28 13:43:01 <DocScrutinizer2> nah, not this time. raster is out for a beer probably
Nov 28 13:43:08 <stefan_schmidt> Will be back later today.
Nov 28 13:43:12 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: no problem
Nov 28 13:43:22 <Ainulindale> I'm closing tickets here
Nov 28 13:43:43 <DocScrutinizer2> btw: raster is an australian I'd guess
Nov 28 13:44:22 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: I was talking about mickeyl :-)
Nov 28 13:44:29 <DocScrutinizer2> ahh
Nov 28 13:44:31 <Ainulindale> Stop smoking funny cigarettes
Nov 28 13:44:33 <DocScrutinizer2> sorry
Nov 28 13:44:41 <Ainulindale> Else you'll EMIfy the GTA04
Nov 28 13:44:43 <Ainulindale> s/4/3/
Nov 28 13:46:51 <a21_work> lol gta04
Nov 28 13:47:17 <DocScrutinizer2> in fact Marlboro with chinese warnings about non-erective cigs and black lungs pictures, baught in TPE and manuf'ed in neuchatel, swizzerland, are  rather funny on themselves
Nov 28 13:48:13 <Ainulindale> Heh :-)
Nov 28 13:56:41 <Hire> uhm
Nov 28 14:04:55 <DocScrutinizer2> a21_work: what's wrong with GTA04?
Nov 28 14:08:46 <a21_work> nothing: i was lolling about the typo made by Ainulindale (just ignore me ^_^' I'm stupid)
Nov 28 14:10:24 <raster> stefan_schmidt: sysactions.conf is intended to be for integrators to change
Nov 28 14:10:28 <raster> (thus its a tesxt file)
Nov 28 14:10:37 <raster> specifically it just defines virtual action name mappings to commands
Nov 28 14:10:44 <raster> specifically the one u want to change is suspend
Nov 28 14:10:50 <raster> (and maybe hibernate)
Nov 28 14:11:58 <Ainulindale> raster: Then you agree this should be packaged and replaceable depending on the machine/arch/underlying system?
Nov 28 14:12:19 <raster> yes
Nov 28 14:12:34 <raster> that is the whole intent
Nov 28 14:12:52 <raster> i try and split thngs out into separate files/dirs that can be plugged that are intended to be replacable
Nov 28 14:12:57 <raster> especially for system integration
Nov 28 14:13:02 <raster> upstream cant do everything\
Nov 28 14:13:03 <raster> :)
Nov 28 14:13:15 <a21_work> openvpn installed, yeah
Nov 28 14:16:13 <Ainulindale> raster: ok so I'll patch it and commit it to OE if mickeyl agrees
Nov 28 14:17:44 <a21_work> mmmh.... I do not understand why mofi is not working anymore to me :(
Nov 28 14:18:01 <Hire> mofi is a very bad thing
Nov 28 14:18:04 <a21_work> anyone else with the same problem?
Nov 28 14:18:12 <Hire> i prefer a module instead 
Nov 28 14:18:18 <a21_work> module?
Nov 28 14:18:21 <Hire> i haven't issue with mofi however
Nov 28 14:18:26 <Hire> sure, a module for E
Nov 28 14:18:52 <a21_work> I need a way (any) to access wifi
Nov 28 14:19:28 <a21_work> Hire: how do you access wifi without mofi on your moko?
Nov 28 14:20:03 <Hire> if I am lazy I use mofi
Nov 28 14:20:15 <a21_work> lol :D
Nov 28 14:20:30 <Hire> if I feel a bit geek I use iwconfig instead
Nov 28 14:20:45 <a21_work> oh interesting starting point
Nov 28 14:21:09 <a21_work> tnx Hire now I'll try
Nov 28 14:25:53 <Ainulindale> quickdev will hate me
Nov 28 14:25:58 <Ainulindale> I'm reassigning a bunch of tasks to him :-)
Nov 28 14:26:53 <Hire> everybody hates you
Nov 28 14:27:53 <Ainulindale> heh :-)
Nov 28 14:40:23 <a21_work> Hire: I love you ;) tnx for the previos hint
Nov 28 14:40:54 <Dave> Ainu, how is everything today?
Nov 28 14:41:20 <Hire> someone kicks dave 
Nov 28 14:41:41 <Dave> Shush, Hire :P
Nov 28 14:41:52 <a21_work> I'm forging also a script to be launched from shortom
Nov 28 14:42:15 <Ainulindale> Dave: update upgrade, rm -rf .e and enjoy the new stuff
Nov 28 14:42:16 <a21_work> to bring up my wifi with openvpn also
Nov 28 14:42:30 <Dave> :D
Nov 28 14:43:17 <a21_work> ...so I'll remove mofi :P
Nov 28 14:44:06 <a21_work> or I'll use it only as wifi-fastscaning interface
Nov 28 14:45:16 <TAsn> does anyone have a screenie of the default shr theme?
Nov 28 14:47:00 <Dave> Also do we have any remarkable breakthroughs on improved boot time?
Nov 28 14:47:06 <Dave> or shutdown :p
Nov 28 14:47:11 * Dave prods sicu
Nov 28 14:49:43 <Ainulindale> TAsn: it's on trac
Nov 28 14:49:51 <Ainulindale> Dave: without the splash, 1m30
Nov 28 14:49:53 <Ainulindale> (for boot)
Nov 28 14:50:00 <Ainulindale> We'll include some other stuff in the days to come
Nov 28 14:50:06 <Ainulindale> Thanks to mrmoku 
Nov 28 14:50:09 <TAsn> Ainulindale, really? 1m30 stock boot time?
Nov 28 14:50:13 <Ainulindale> yes
Nov 28 14:50:27 <TAsn> COOL! ;]
Nov 28 14:50:31 <Ainulindale> I think we can go quite easily under 1m
Nov 28 14:51:38 <Hire> oh no
Nov 28 14:51:46 <Hire> E crashed with my theme 
Nov 28 14:52:51 <Ainulindale> heh :-)
Nov 28 14:53:24 <TAsn> where do I get all these awesome themes from?
Nov 28 14:54:33 <TAsn> btw, where can I find some info about exposure and shortom?
Nov 28 14:55:10 <Ainulindale> What do you want to do with exposure?
Nov 28 14:55:18 <Ainulindale> WE forked exposure on shr by the way
Nov 28 14:55:19 <TAsn> know what it is ;]
Nov 28 14:55:35 <TAsn> I can't find a wiki page for it.
Nov 28 14:55:49 <Ainulindale> I don't think there is
Nov 28 14:55:53 <Ainulindale> But what do you want to do?
Nov 28 14:56:05 <TAsn> I'm just interested on what it does.
Nov 28 14:56:12 <TAsn> all I found is that it's a settings app.
Nov 28 14:56:13 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: do you have some time?
Nov 28 14:58:25 <Ainulindale> Yes
Nov 28 14:58:33 <Ainulindale> TAsn: then that's what it is :-è)
Nov 28 14:58:36 <Ainulindale> A settings app
Nov 28 14:59:24 <dolf1074> I've made some test-packages for myself: libframeworkd-apps, libshr-settings3 and shr-setting (source: http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shrtest/) Now libframeworkd-apps is a library with the function load_settings_app(). Now I use these function in shr-setting, but the compilation fails: http://pastebin.com/m18cd59af
Nov 28 14:59:32 <dolf1074> can you see why?
Nov 28 14:59:44 <Ainulindale> libshr-settings?
Nov 28 15:00:08 <Ainulindale> you don't link with your lib
Nov 28 15:00:29 <dolf1074> how should I do that? I include the header?
Nov 28 15:00:41 <Ainulindale> Wait a minute let me see the sources
Nov 28 15:01:13 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: modify configure.ac
Nov 28 15:01:15 <Ainulindale> for apps
Nov 28 15:01:21 <Ainulindale> Add a PKG_CHECK_MODULES(FRAMEWORKD_PHONEGUI, libframeworkd-phonegui)
Nov 28 15:01:34 <Ainulindale> replace that with FRAMEWORKD_APPS, libframeworkd-apps
Nov 28 15:01:41 <Ainulindale> And add the flags to your makefiles
Nov 28 15:01:55 <Ainulindale> But what is this shr-setting thing anyway?
Nov 28 15:02:42 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: It's a method I have in mind
Nov 28 15:02:55 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r54284f9a4673 10/framework/ (controller.py subsystem.py): (log message trimmed)
Nov 28 15:02:55 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: MAJOR BUGFIX:
Nov 28 15:02:55 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: Stop importing modules by full name, instead append the subsystem to sys.path,
Nov 28 15:02:55 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: by that we workaround modules getting imported twice, once as (e.g.
Nov 28 15:02:57 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: <framework.subsystems.ogsmd.modems.abstract.calling> and
Nov 28 15:02:59 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: <ogsmd.modems.abstract.calling>. Apparantly, if you are using __import__, you
Nov 28 15:03:00 <Ainulindale> What do you want to do exactly?
Nov 28 15:03:01 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: bypass the usual Python module import checks that should prevent modules from
Nov 28 15:03:16 <Ainulindale> I'm under the impression you're trying to do what we already do :-)
Nov 28 15:03:28 <Hire> indeed
Nov 28 15:03:41 <dolf1074> I know, just levering it a level up
Nov 28 15:03:42 <Ainulindale> Hey mickeyl o/
Nov 28 15:03:47 <dolf1074> I will try to explain
Nov 28 15:03:49 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: what do you mean?
Nov 28 15:04:01 <Ainulindale> If you're trying to build stuff upon what we did, I'm interested in discussing about it
Nov 28 15:04:02 <Hire> i prefer if dolf1074 does module for E instead :)
Nov 28 15:04:16 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: I have to talk to you about e-wm package when you'll be available
Nov 28 15:04:19 <Hire> module to control gsm, wifi, bluetooth and other stuff
Nov 28 15:04:34 <dolf1074> Hire: it's just a side project of me for looking how I suck in some coding :)
Nov 28 15:04:37 <a21_work> Ainulindale: Hire: wifi and openvpn works!! love you, tnx!!! hurray!!
Nov 28 15:04:42 <Ainulindale> a21_work: you're welcome
Nov 28 15:04:59 <Hire> a21_work: you aren't welcome
Nov 28 15:05:08 <Ainulindale> Hire: Huh? =)
Nov 28 15:05:10 <a21_work> ;)
Nov 28 15:05:56 <Hire> dolf1074: you can see the same results with coding an E module 
Nov 28 15:06:47 <Hire> Ainulindale: it is irony... damn, you are a truly french guy
Nov 28 15:06:51 <Hire> :D
Nov 28 15:07:15 <Ainulindale> Hire: Pfft :-)
Nov 28 15:07:47 <Hire> i hate that damn arrows on illume
Nov 28 15:08:10 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: i'm dug into revamping callhandling, will be avaible late tonight
Nov 28 15:09:15 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: well anyway, I can give you a patch for what I suggest anyway, and tonight I might be drunk, so ping me :-)
Nov 28 15:09:26 <a21_work> next step: find a working SIP application to do voip over wifi :D
Nov 28 15:09:37 <Ainulindale> a21_work: tell me which app you'd like and I compile it if it's available
Nov 28 15:10:24 <Ainulindale> mrmoku?
Nov 28 15:10:44 <a21_work> some time ago I used on om2007 (if I can remember right) "linphone"... but without success because 2007 was not mature enaugh i presume
Nov 28 15:11:34 <dolf1074> So what I'm I doing: I'm providing a GUI library for other applications. libframework-apps gives functions for every app. Like 'int select_message();', this would give the user a new window where he can choose a message. The apps using this gets back the message and can do things with it. So if you make a new application and you need for example that the user selects a contact, there is...
Nov 28 15:11:35 <dolf1074> ...already a framework function for that. Now libshr-settings3 is a implementation of that library. So there can be multiple implementation. Than there is a normal package (like shr-settings or shr-messages), that takes all the functions provided by the framework and glue them together. So if you open messages the 'int messages_show_folders()' is called and when you press a folder the next...
Nov 28 15:11:37 <dolf1074> ...function is called: 'int messages_show_folder( int folder )'
Nov 28 15:11:46 <a21_work> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone
Nov 28 15:11:56 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: ok then that's bad
Nov 28 15:12:00 <Ainulindale> :-p
Nov 28 15:12:16 <dolf1074> why?
Nov 28 15:12:33 <Ainulindale> I don't know why but it looks as if you're just wrapping frameworkd
Nov 28 15:12:49 <Ainulindale> With meta functions
Nov 28 15:12:50 <dolf1074> no, it's nothing to do with frameworkd
Nov 28 15:12:52 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: ya, show me the patch
Nov 28 15:12:58 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: Ok then I'll do it first :-)
Nov 28 15:13:20 <dolf1074> if you want to get the contents of the message, you still have to use the framework
Nov 28 15:13:26 <dolf1074> it's just a gui library
Nov 28 15:13:28 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: it just implies doing a PACKAGE_${PN}-sysconf and FILES_${PN}-sysconf anyway
Nov 28 15:13:37 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: then why don't you do that in libframeworkd-phonegui?
Nov 28 15:13:41 <Ainulindale> It's there specifically for that :-)
Nov 28 15:13:45 <Ainulindale> And it already does that
Nov 28 15:13:51 <a21_work> about linphone: the blue NOTE on top does not promise anything good :S
Nov 28 15:13:54 <Ainulindale> I can't understand why you're trying to do, as to me it's already doing that
Nov 28 15:14:59 <dolf1074> I'm not making something new ;) It's just now renamed so I can follow the two at the same time
Nov 28 15:15:11 <dolf1074> because I don't know when my thing will be ready
Nov 28 15:15:23 <Ainulindale> But what's the use of making something already there instead of patching it?
Nov 28 15:15:31 <Hire> indeed
Nov 28 15:15:32 <Ainulindale> (For this specific kind of thing)
Nov 28 15:15:42 <Ainulindale> Reimplementing libraries is logical
Nov 28 15:15:48 <Ainulindale> Reimplementing specifications is somewhat strange
Nov 28 15:16:04 <Ainulindale> and libframeworkd-phonegui is a specification
Nov 28 15:16:04 <Hire> or why don't you make a note app, calendar app, calculator app in evas?
Nov 28 15:16:53 <dolf1074> Hire, I'm fed up with evas, edje for one day
Nov 28 15:17:01 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: My point is, what makes your application different? :-)
Nov 28 15:17:10 <Ainulindale> What do you think is missing from lfp
Nov 28 15:17:51 <dolf1074> - different libraries for the different tasks: settings/messages/...
Nov 28 15:18:09 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: but again
Nov 28 15:18:12 <Ainulindale> that's what lfp does
Nov 28 15:18:22 <Ainulindale> I think you misunderstood the purpose of lfp
Nov 28 15:18:22 <dolf1074> - hardcode specifications for libraries, like open_settings_app
Nov 28 15:18:29 <Ainulindale> That's again what lfp does
Nov 28 15:18:50 <dolf1074> I know, what lfp does is very good and I understand it
Nov 28 15:19:00 <Ainulindale> So why doing it all over again?
Nov 28 15:19:04 <dolf1074> I also understand my thing is doing exactly the same
Nov 28 15:19:12 <Dave> damnit, why can't I connect to my phone now.
Nov 28 15:19:27 <Ainulindale> I don't intend to tell you it's useless dolf1074, but I'm trying to understand what you try to do it all over again :-)
Nov 28 15:19:41 <dolf1074> except that the implementation has it boundaries
Nov 28 15:20:03 <Ainulindale> Which boundaries?
Nov 28 15:20:13 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: I'm the maintainer of lfp, feel free to criticize and ask for commit access
Nov 28 15:20:16 <Ainulindale> I'm all ears
Nov 28 15:20:17 <Hire> Dave: use wifi instead
Nov 28 15:20:33 <Dave> Did some upgrade break usb networking?
Nov 28 15:20:35 <Dave> :P
Nov 28 15:20:40 <Hire> probably
Nov 28 15:20:44 <Dave> oh great
Nov 28 15:20:47 <Ainulindale> Dave: did you use mofi?
Nov 28 15:20:54 <dolf1074> wait, getting sources ;-) for argumentating meself better
Nov 28 15:20:57 <Dave> I'm using a usb cable
Nov 28 15:21:04 <Ainulindale> Dave: did you use mofi or not?
Nov 28 15:21:05 <Dave> Ainu, and furthermore, mofi has never once worked for me.
Nov 28 15:21:12 <Dave> No, I did not use it!
Nov 28 15:21:19 <Ainulindale> Then try to unplug and replug usb
Nov 28 15:21:25 <Dave> I've done it five times
Nov 28 15:21:29 <Ainulindale> Then reboot
Nov 28 15:21:33 <Dave> checked dropbear, checked the routing tables
Nov 28 15:21:34 <Hire> lsusb?
Nov 28 15:21:35 <Dave> I have rebooted
Nov 28 15:21:39 <Ainulindale> Then kill yourself
Nov 28 15:21:43 <Dave> :(
Nov 28 15:21:44 <Hire> indeed
Nov 28 15:21:45 <Ainulindale> Heh :-)
Nov 28 15:21:49 <Ainulindale> No upgrade could do that Dave 
Nov 28 15:21:51 <Dave> Great help, guys :p
Nov 28 15:21:55 <Dave> Ainu, sweet
Nov 28 15:21:55 <Hire> dave
Nov 28 15:21:56 <Hire> simple
Nov 28 15:22:00 <Ainulindale> (going away for a smoke, be back soon)
Nov 28 15:22:04 <Hire> it is a simple problem with udev
Nov 28 15:22:05 <Ainulindale> ( dolf1074, query me please with your arguments)
Nov 28 15:22:08 <Dave> and yeah yeah I could always use wifi, though mofi never works for me.
Nov 28 15:22:16 <Dave> it also kind of sucks
Nov 28 15:22:28 <Dave> raster, are you awake yet?
Nov 28 15:22:36 <dolf1074> ok
Nov 28 15:22:42 <Dave> I had a thought regarding "hotkeys" for the keyboard
Nov 28 15:26:24 <a21_work> Dave: yes mofi sucks
Nov 28 15:27:07 <Ainulindale> Back
Nov 28 15:27:27 <Dave> :)
Nov 28 15:27:32 <Ainulindale> Dave: so, could you try ifconfig usb0 up?
Nov 28 15:27:35 <a21_work> Hire suggested me to use iwconfig and rocks
Nov 28 15:27:38 <Ainulindale> or ifconfig usb0 just to check
Nov 28 15:27:55 <Dave> I did
Nov 28 15:28:05 <Ainulindale> ANd?
Nov 28 15:28:14 <Ainulindale> It's up with the good IP?
Nov 28 15:28:30 <Dave> yes
Nov 28 15:28:41 <Ainulindale> And on the desktop side?
Nov 28 15:28:46 <Dave> I even restarted the networking service to ensure that part was working too
Nov 28 15:28:48 <Ainulindale> Do you see the usb connection using dmesg?
Nov 28 15:28:53 <Dave> yep
Nov 28 15:29:04 <Ainulindale> And the usb interface?
Nov 28 15:29:11 <a21_work> do both ifup usb0 and ifconfig usb0 up
Nov 28 15:29:46 <Dave> It seems much more likely I'm being a dope and forgetting something simple, but it seems like I've covered all my bases, so let me double check everything :)
Nov 28 15:30:00 <a21_work> route?
Nov 28 15:30:01 <a21_work> :D
Nov 28 15:30:17 <a21_work> resolv.conf ?
Nov 28 15:30:43 <a21_work> enable ipforwarding on the host machine?
Nov 28 15:31:53 <a21_work> anyway... can you atleast ssh omoko from usb using the ip?
Nov 28 15:31:56 <Dave> let me try a different cable too
Nov 28 15:32:00 <Dave> once I had a bad cable :P
Nov 28 15:32:22 <a21_work> or try also a different openmoko ;)
Nov 28 15:32:30 <Dave> :D
Nov 28 15:32:32 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: - Every application that want to use the frameworkd-phonegui has to call 'phonegui_get_function' for every function they need. This implies the functions can change rappidly. 
Nov 28 15:32:34 <dolf1074>   I would suggest for using headers with hardcoded function names. So it's easier to see if one of the libraries break the specs and we can put the documentation of the funcs there also.
Nov 28 15:32:36 <dolf1074> - libframeworkd-phonegui-efl is a full library with all the functions. This makes this library big and not easy to find what you need. I would like to see all the applications 
Nov 28 15:32:37 <dolf1074>   cut into little libraries, like one for the messages, one for the dialer and so on. So you can load one library and don't have to load them all. Another advantage: the sources
Nov 28 15:32:39 <dolf1074>   doesn't have to be all in one file, what will improve readability.
Nov 28 15:33:09 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: well, first
Nov 28 15:33:19 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: with your implementation it'll be the same for functions
Nov 28 15:33:24 <Ainulindale> If you load dynamically libraries
Nov 28 15:33:29 <Ainulindale> You'll have to map the functions anyway
Nov 28 15:33:33 <Ainulindale> lfp-efl is currently this way
Nov 28 15:33:47 <Ainulindale> Nobody told we couldn't separate it in lfp-efl-messages and such
Nov 28 15:33:49 <Ainulindale> It's easy to do
Nov 28 15:34:00 <Ainulindale> And already doable
Nov 28 15:34:07 <Ainulindale> Except for the configuration file, in fact
Nov 28 15:34:16 <Ainulindale> And I'll be glad if you could modify this to be able to do that
Nov 28 15:34:21 <Ainulindale> s/'ll/'d/
Nov 28 15:34:36 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: This isn't a matter of what phonegui can't do right now
Nov 28 15:34:40 <Ainulindale> phonegui can do all of these things
Nov 28 15:34:47 <Ainulindale> The way quickdev implemented it isn't optimal, that's all
Nov 28 15:34:57 <Ainulindale> Had he chosen to separate the libs
Nov 28 15:35:08 <Ainulindale> It'd have been everything you just mentioned
Nov 28 15:35:29 <Ainulindale> And anyway, for your first point, it's not doable as is
Nov 28 15:35:33 <Ainulindale> If you dynamically load libraries
Nov 28 15:35:43 <Ainulindale> You'll have to map the function names anyway
Nov 28 15:35:50 <Ainulindale> (to the needed library)
Nov 28 15:35:57 <dolf1074> yes, and it should be good if that mapping happens in the phonegui
Nov 28 15:36:21 <dolf1074> because so you can look at the phonegui source and see the functions that are available
Nov 28 15:36:29 <dolf1074> and with extra docs
Nov 28 15:36:47 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: so you'd make a library out of the library loading part?
Nov 28 15:37:30 <dolf1074> no, that's the same library
Nov 28 15:37:41 <Ainulindale> Let me restate that
Nov 28 15:37:46 <Ainulindale> ophonekitd does the library loading/mapping part
Nov 28 15:37:46 <dolf1074> In my source, that's libframeworkd-apps
Nov 28 15:37:51 <Ainulindale> You'd include that in the phonegui part, right?
Nov 28 15:38:09 <dolf1074> ophonekitd may stay in it's library
Nov 28 15:38:15 <dolf1074> that's something different
Nov 28 15:38:16 <Ainulindale> ophonekitd isn't a library
Nov 28 15:38:22 <Ainulindale> what you're telling me is
Nov 28 15:38:34 <Ainulindale> You'd like to load/map "libraries" implementing specs in a specific library
Nov 28 15:38:37 <dolf1074> sorry
Nov 28 15:38:38 <Ainulindale> Is that it?
Nov 28 15:38:50 <Ainulindale> And map the function names to the actual library implementing it
Nov 28 15:39:04 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: look here http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shrtest/libframeworkd-apps/src/settings.h
Nov 28 15:39:09 <dolf1074> that's my mapping
Nov 28 15:39:21 <Ainulindale> It's no different from ours
Nov 28 15:39:36 <dolf1074> And here is't linking: http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shrtest/libframeworkd-apps/src/settings.c
Nov 28 15:39:45 <Ainulindale> Again
Nov 28 15:39:47 <Ainulindale> No different from ours
Nov 28 15:39:55 <dolf1074> the linking isn't done automaticly
Nov 28 15:39:56 <Ainulindale> Except for one little thing
Nov 28 15:40:02 <Ainulindale> It's currently ophonekitd which does the dlopen
Nov 28 15:40:07 <Ainulindale> and dlsym
Nov 28 15:40:12 <Ainulindale> This could go in lfp
Nov 28 15:40:19 <Ainulindale> And this way, it'll be exactly what you're telling me about
Nov 28 15:40:46 <Ainulindale> Let me sum up what I'm telling you about
Nov 28 15:40:56 <Ainulindale> And tell me after that if it would be what you want
Nov 28 15:41:03 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: that's the point, I want to make phonegui better. But because it implies mass rewriting (copy/pasting), I though it would be better to just rewrite it
Nov 28 15:41:07 <Ainulindale> We have lfg, implementing frameworkd functions
Nov 28 15:41:16 <Ainulindale> Then we have lfp, specifying GUI functions
Nov 28 15:41:31 <Ainulindale> Let's say we strip off ophonekitd from its library loading part
Nov 28 15:41:36 <Ainulindale> And let say we implement a function in lfp
Nov 28 15:41:43 <Ainulindale> Which reads things from a conf file
Nov 28 15:41:46 <Ainulindale> saying
Nov 28 15:41:49 <Ainulindale> message = thislib
Nov 28 15:41:52 <Ainulindale> dialer = thatlib
Nov 28 15:42:04 <Ainulindale> Or even on a more granular point of view
Nov 28 15:42:12 <Ainulindale> And then dlopen/dlsym the functions
Nov 28 15:42:14 <Ainulindale> If we did that
Nov 28 15:42:18 <Ainulindale> Would it be what you're describing?
Nov 28 15:42:24 <Ainulindale> That way, ophonekitd would link against lfp
Nov 28 15:42:34 <Ainulindale> And lfp would dynamically open the libs and expose them to ophonekitd
Nov 28 15:42:38 <dolf1074> and split the efl library and you have it
Nov 28 15:42:41 <Ainulindale> Ok then
Nov 28 15:42:44 <Ainulindale> Just do that in lfp :-)
Nov 28 15:42:48 <dolf1074> ok ;)
Nov 28 15:42:49 <Ainulindale> Please, I'd be glad if you did
Nov 28 15:42:59 <dolf1074> but now I have visitors
Nov 28 15:43:06 <Ainulindale> Because that's what I *did* want to do
Nov 28 15:43:10 <Ainulindale> It stayed in this experimental situation
Nov 28 15:43:14 <Ainulindale> because I had no time to do further things
Nov 28 15:43:19 <Ainulindale> And because we have no use for that at the present time
Nov 28 15:43:26 <Ainulindale> (no extra libs)
Nov 28 15:43:35 <Ainulindale> But this is exactly what I was willing to do
Nov 28 15:43:53 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: currently testing my package
Nov 28 15:44:00 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: will tell you in one minute if this is good
Nov 28 15:44:37 <mickeyl> k
Nov 28 15:45:22 <Ainulindale> It worked
Nov 28 15:46:28 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: http://www.calaquendi.org/om/e-wm.diff
Nov 28 15:46:38 <Ainulindale> (the machine arch for the package is intended)
Nov 28 15:48:05 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: tell me if you need further explanation
Nov 28 15:49:31 <mickeyl> that's good, go for it
Nov 28 15:50:37 <Ainulindale> Damn, I have to read  these policies
Nov 28 15:50:49 <Dave> Hi Mickey
Nov 28 15:55:58 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: what's the push url supposed to be?
Nov 28 15:56:15 <Ainulindale> (not available on gitweb it seems)
Nov 28 15:57:57 <mickeyl> yo dave
Nov 28 15:58:11 <Ainulindale> Ok, found out
Nov 28 15:58:15 <mickeyl> git@git...
Nov 28 15:58:30 <Ainulindale> Is the commit message good enough? :-)
Nov 28 15:59:14 <mickeyl> yeah
Nov 28 15:59:47 <Ainulindale> I didn't add it to RRECOMMENDS by the way, this was intended. Does it bother you?
Nov 28 16:00:20 <Ainulindale> (and please don't answer "no, but you are" :-) )
Nov 28 16:00:43 <mickeyl> hahaha
Nov 28 16:00:47 <mickeyl> nah, that's fine
Nov 28 16:01:27 <Ainulindale> Should I fix elementary-alarm too?
Nov 28 16:01:40 <Ainulindale> (sounds)
Nov 28 16:01:45 <Ainulindale> Or has raster fixed this upstream?
Nov 28 16:01:59 <Ainulindale> (I think he didn't, should check)
Nov 28 16:02:23 <Ainulindale> God dammit
Nov 28 16:02:24 <Ainulindale> Error, DISTRO_PR has changed (.1 to ) 
Nov 28 16:03:03 <mickeyl> set DISTRO_PR to .1 in your local.conf
Nov 28 16:03:09 <mickeyl> i did not follow the discussion wrt. that
Nov 28 16:03:14 <mickeyl> but it makes the error disappear ;)
Nov 28 16:03:22 <Ainulindale> Yeah I guess it does
Nov 28 16:03:26 <Ainulindale> But this is a mess :-)
Nov 28 16:04:31 <Ainulindale> I think numptyphysics needs an update too
Nov 28 16:04:40 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: could I modify the bb file to add RDEPENDS libpng?
Nov 28 16:04:46 <Ainulindale> Or did you do something to fix that some other place?
Nov 28 16:06:26 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: I would also like to make task-x11-illume arch dependent as it evaluates ILLUME_THEME
Nov 28 16:06:32 <Ainulindale> Which could be arch dependent
Nov 28 16:11:51 <mickeyl> yeah
Nov 28 16:12:03 <Ainulindale> Do you agree or is it a rhetorical yeah? :-)
Nov 28 16:13:11 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: well anyway I keep a permanent diff here http://shr.bearstech.com/openembedded-shr-git.diff
Nov 28 16:16:02 <mickeyl> agree
Nov 28 16:16:11 <mickeyl> the diff is handy
Nov 28 16:16:22 <Ainulindale> Yeah that's for people who wish to build SHR
Nov 28 16:17:40 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: Only thing I couldn't figure out properly
Nov 28 16:17:50 <Ainulindale> When switching from an ARCH dependent task to a non arch dependent task
Nov 28 16:18:01 <Ainulindale> (i.e. I removed my PACKAGE_ARCH in task-cli-tools because you modified it)
Nov 28 16:18:05 <Ainulindale> What should I delete?
Nov 28 16:18:39 <Ainulindale> here I removed everything related to tasks in pkgdata/*, pkgdata/*/runtime/*, work/*/*, stamps/*/*
Nov 28 16:18:42 <Ainulindale> And removed my cache
Nov 28 16:27:24 <mokel> does gprs work for anyone with lates shr packages?
Nov 28 16:27:44 <Ainulindale> Didn't try GPRS.
Nov 28 16:27:50 <mokel> mmh
Nov 28 16:28:22 <mokel> ok
Nov 28 16:30:19 <dolf1074> me back
Nov 28 16:34:49 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: I'm building a initscripts-shr package :-)
Nov 28 16:35:11 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I love you :-)
Nov 28 16:35:25 <Ainulindale> By the way, doesn't pythm need mpd?
Nov 28 16:35:38 <Hire> why pythm?
Nov 28 16:35:52 <Hire> i tested deforoas and it is nice :(
Nov 28 16:36:06 <Ainulindale> Hire: Just to have alternatives
Nov 28 16:36:11 <Ainulindale> Is there a bb recipe for deforoas?
Nov 28 16:36:20 <Ainulindale> By the way mrmoku 
Nov 28 16:36:26 <Ainulindale> When you build recipes not dependent on anything like that
Nov 28 16:36:29 <Hire> no :)
Nov 28 16:36:31 <Ainulindale> Please add them to the shr-feed
Nov 28 16:36:34 <Ainulindale> (task-shr-feed.bb)
Nov 28 16:36:43 <Ainulindale> That way I can build them all in one go
Nov 28 16:36:57 <Ainulindale> Hire: currently testing a package for the sysmenu of e
Nov 28 16:37:00 <Ainulindale> to suspend :-
Nov 28 16:37:01 <Ainulindale> :-)
Nov 28 16:37:38 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: I think mpd is supposed to run on another host
Nov 28 16:37:43 <mrmoku> like my home stereo ;)
Nov 28 16:37:52 <mrmoku> which can be controlled with your neo
Nov 28 16:38:32 <Ainulindale> Yes but we'd like a media player on the neo itself :-)
Nov 28 16:38:53 <mrmoku> that is what the mplayer backend is for :-)
Nov 28 16:39:02 <Ainulindale> Well, didn't see it mrmoku 
Nov 28 16:39:03 <Hire> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2714bd4b054b1a4220a0e722a02ce876.png <-- i have to do them a bit bigger ...
Nov 28 16:39:04 <Ainulindale> I installed pythm
Nov 28 16:39:22 <Ainulindale> Shiny :-)
Nov 28 16:39:33 <mrmoku> heh, if you go to the configure tab it is there - under the mpd backend
Nov 28 16:39:41 <mrmoku> have to use the stylus to scroll
Nov 28 16:39:43 <Ainulindale> trying it then
Nov 28 16:40:01 <Dave> Hmm
Nov 28 16:40:07 <Dave> New theme is odd
Nov 28 16:40:21 <Ainulindale> Why Dave?
Nov 28 16:40:45 <Dave> I guess the new battery icon is more favorable?
Nov 28 16:40:52 <Dave> also it's smushed into the time
Nov 28 16:41:06 <dolf1074> Ah Ainulindale, there is still one thing I didn't discuss that I wanted to change in phoengui-efl. Now if you do ' phonegui_message_show() ', it will launch a totally functioning message app. I would slice it in seperate Gui function: phonegui_messages_show_folers, phonegui_messages_show_folder, phonegui_messages_show_messages, ... And that the 'openmoko-messages3' package glue them together...
Nov 28 16:41:08 <dolf1074> ...to a functioning app. I think that's good, because efl is a library. And openmoko-messages3 is an app that glue all the library functions together to a working app
Nov 28 16:41:27 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: no problem with that
Nov 28 16:41:32 <Ainulindale> That's what was intended, again
Nov 28 16:41:34 <mrmoku> Hire: heh, didn't try deforaos, because it's under Video ;)
Nov 28 16:41:35 <Ainulindale> Just didn't do it
Nov 28 16:41:57 <a21_work> Hire: are you italian?
Nov 28 16:42:08 <a21_work> (I TIM)
Nov 28 16:42:10 <dolf1074> ok, than the intentions of phonegui was very very good. ;)
Nov 28 16:42:39 <Dave> I don't like that a bunch of the e windows don't fit on the screen
Nov 28 16:42:47 <Dave> So it can be difficult to configure at times.
Nov 28 16:42:52 <Hire> a21_work: for the two times... yes, i am italian 
Nov 28 16:43:04 <Hire> second times
Nov 28 16:43:08 <a21_work> lol :)
Nov 28 16:43:22 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: e-wm-sysactions-shr in action
Nov 28 16:43:23 <Ainulindale> It's working
Nov 28 16:43:29 <a21_work> ciao bello :P
Nov 28 16:43:30 <Ainulindale> So now there's a suspend splash
Nov 28 16:43:42 <Ainulindale> Hire: could you try it please?
Nov 28 16:43:52 <Ainulindale> Hire: opkg update; opkg install -force-overwrite e-wm-sysactions-shr
Nov 28 16:44:29 <Ainulindale> Then try to suspend on the illume screen
Nov 28 16:44:46 <mrmoku> a21_work: come fai a sapere che Hire é bello ;)
Nov 28 16:45:08 <a21_work> lol
Nov 28 16:45:41 <Hire> Ainulindale: sure
Nov 28 16:45:52 <Hire> anche tu sei italiano? vieni su #telefoninux
Nov 28 16:46:05 <Hire> Ainulindale: it works
Nov 28 16:46:54 <Hire> i tested it two times and works without problems
Nov 28 16:49:19 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r815794a2510b 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): 
Nov 28 16:49:19 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Revamped callhandling. Refactored the state-based call handler
Nov 28 16:49:19 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: from TI Calypso (and Freescale Neptune) into a generic class that will
Nov 28 16:49:19 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: be used from all modem abstractions. Ported singleline to use the new
Nov 28 16:49:21 <CIA-57> freesmartphone.org: call handler. More tests needed for TI Calypso and Freescale Neptune.
Nov 28 16:50:35 <Ainulindale> Hire: that's cool :-)
Nov 28 16:50:58 <Ainulindale> I commited an updated theme right now, will try it
Nov 28 16:51:00 <Hire> indeed :D
Nov 28 16:51:05 <Ainulindale> (inclusion of the buttons on syscon)
Nov 28 16:53:02 <mrmoku> Hire: hmm, I installed deforaos from opkg.org, but it does not work - does it for you?
Nov 28 16:53:45 <Hire> sure :)
Nov 28 16:54:01 <mrmoku> with mp3?
Nov 28 16:54:02 <Hire> DISPLAY:=0 player
Nov 28 16:54:07 <Hire> avi and mp3
Nov 28 16:54:35 <mrmoku> yep, I changed the desktop file instead ;) But playing a mp3 just make some chr chr sound :(
Nov 28 16:55:25 <Hire> uh
Nov 28 16:55:26 <Hire> weird
Nov 28 16:57:36 <sirkha_top> anyone having trouble with milestone 4 suspend with the button?
Nov 28 16:57:39 <sirkha_top> am i doing something wrong?
Nov 28 16:57:55 <Ainulindale> Meh :-)
Nov 28 16:59:35 <Hire> oh no
Nov 28 16:59:36 <Hire> E crashed
Nov 28 16:59:45 <Ainulindale> What did you do? =)
Nov 28 17:00:28 <Dave> Are there any reports that state SHR suffers from #666/#1024?
Nov 28 17:00:35 <Hire> i tested a custom edje :/
Nov 28 17:00:46 <Ainulindale> Dave: #1024 should not happen with our configh
Nov 28 17:00:48 <Ainulindale> -h
Nov 28 17:00:55 <Hire> 666! the numer of the evil !
Nov 28 17:00:55 <Ainulindale> #666 is frameworkd dependent
Nov 28 17:00:59 <Dave> Okay, hope so - I'll test it out :)
Nov 28 17:01:09 <Ainulindale> Wait a minute I'm regenerating stuff
Nov 28 17:01:15 <Ainulindale> Well, more like an hour
Nov 28 17:02:18 <Dave> Stepping into your alcove, Ainulindale? :)
Nov 28 17:02:29 <Ainulindale> Huh?
Nov 28 17:03:25 <DocScrutinizer2> Dave: moin + n8
Nov 28 17:05:49 <DocScrutinizer2> Ainulindale: how do you avoid #1024 by config? not registering to gsm, or sleep=2, or gprs mandatory 24/7? :-)
Nov 28 17:06:52 <DocScrutinizer2> Ainulindale: as those are the only remedies I know of, for #1024
Nov 28 17:07:00 <Dave> yeah, I'm as curious too
Nov 28 17:08:32 <Dave> ugghness
Nov 28 17:09:03 <a21_work> fuck... I've received 2 sms in the same time: -> 2 windows opened with each sms -> I closed the second for first -> I cannot close the first sms
Nov 28 17:09:14 <Dave> same stupid clock bullshit
Nov 28 17:09:17 <a21_work> dear multitasking, I can switch window
Nov 28 17:09:24 <DocScrutinizer2> lol
Nov 28 17:09:30 <Dave> The system time is set correctly, but the illume bar displays the wrong time
Nov 28 17:09:44 <a21_work> but i cannot kill that sms :(
Nov 28 17:09:47 <Dave> aww
Nov 28 17:09:56 <Dave> yeah I have had problems with stuff like that, a21
Nov 28 17:10:07 <a21_work> Dave: have you set the tz variable?
Nov 28 17:10:10 <Dave> I launched remoko the other day and was unable to terminate it
Nov 28 17:10:12 <Dave> a21, no
Nov 28 17:10:16 <DocScrutinizer2> reboot :-D
Nov 28 17:10:30 <Dave> Joerg, go back to windows, you sissy! :p
Nov 28 17:10:41 <Dave> What do you think this is, a Microsoft show?
Nov 28 17:10:43 <DocScrutinizer2> muahaha
Nov 28 17:10:49 <Dave> :P
Nov 28 17:11:01 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: deep_sleep = never
Nov 28 17:11:03 <a21_work> loool
Nov 28 17:11:04 <Dave> Plus when a reboot takes this long, hell no!
Nov 28 17:11:15 <Dave> Ainulindale, that's the simple fix??
Nov 28 17:11:25 <Ainulindale> #1024 is the recamping bug right?
Nov 28 17:11:26 <Ainulindale> (IIRC)
Nov 28 17:11:30 <a21_work> anyway Dave set the TZ variable as you like and reboot
Nov 28 17:11:35 <a21_work> or relogin
Nov 28 17:11:36 <DocScrutinizer2> "you moved your mouse-device. Please reboot windows to make the change visible"
Nov 28 17:11:38 <Dave> :(
Nov 28 17:12:09 <a21_work> you can set TZ system wide modifying the /etc/profile
Nov 28 17:12:24 <Dave> How do I get the bat capacity in shr?
Nov 28 17:12:26 <a21_work> or in your own profile in ~/profile
Nov 28 17:12:33 <Ainulindale> Dave: well it's displayed on the desktop
Nov 28 17:12:48 <Dave> A21, so /etc/timezone has no bearing?
Nov 28 17:13:06 <a21_work> no, dave, i think not
Nov 28 17:13:08 <Dave> Ainulindale, that's my point, I want to check to see if it is correct
Nov 28 17:13:28 <Dave> The battery graphical status indicators have a history of being complete bullshit, as Joerg knows :)
Nov 28 17:13:31 <a21_work> because in /etc/profile you have TZ=UTC
Nov 28 17:13:42 <Dave> It's not even UTC!
Nov 28 17:13:47 <Ainulindale> Dave: well, use mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/PowerSupsomething/bat/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetCapacity
Nov 28 17:13:50 <DocScrutinizer2> yupyup
Nov 28 17:13:58 <Dave> A21, TZ isn't set
Nov 28 17:14:04 <a21_work> uh?! not utc?!
Nov 28 17:14:12 <Dave> First of all TZ isn't set
Nov 28 17:14:24 <a21_work> for me it was UTC at first
Nov 28 17:14:25 <Dave> Second, it's off by twelve hours
Nov 28 17:14:40 <Dave> :P
Nov 28 17:14:51 <Ainulindale> We should open a #openmoko-davehelpchannel
Nov 28 17:14:55 <a21_work> now I modified accordingly with my own tzone
Nov 28 17:15:02 <DocScrutinizer2> Ainulindale: btw: never == "sleep=2"-always
Nov 28 17:15:03 <Dave> haha
Nov 28 17:15:13 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: I know :-)
Nov 28 17:15:31 <Dave> lawl
Nov 28 17:15:32 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: As right now there's no better solution, I just put it there as a default
Nov 28 17:15:42 <Dave> bash: mdbus: command not found
Nov 28 17:15:44 <Dave> :D
Nov 28 17:15:49 <Ainulindale> Dave: you're using SHR or not?
Nov 28 17:16:02 <Dave> sorry, I just threw that in there to amuse/confuse you ;)
Nov 28 17:16:11 <Ainulindale> Well it's not funny
Nov 28 17:16:12 <Dave> I didn't realize I had been logged out of my phone ;)
Nov 28 17:16:14 <Ainulindale> I have to kill you now
Nov 28 17:16:19 * Dave runs
Nov 28 17:16:20 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer2: how is the 'make-mrmoku-happy' work ongoing?
Nov 28 17:16:25 <Hire> leave Dave to me
Nov 28 17:16:31 <Ainulindale> Hire: leave Dave alone !
Nov 28 17:16:38 <DocScrutinizer2> well, Dieter did some tests on gsm power with sleep=(2/4), not THAT  big a difverence
Nov 28 17:17:03 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: Well I just saw that deep_sleep = never did the trick for me
Nov 28 17:17:41 <Dave> In other news, after updating to latest, usb networking miraculously works again
Nov 28 17:17:50 <Ainulindale> Dave: That's because I played you
Nov 28 17:17:57 <Dave> :O
Nov 28 17:17:59 <Ainulindale> Dave: I just disabled remotely your USB device
Nov 28 17:18:04 <Dave> You bastard!
Nov 28 17:18:10 <Ainulindale> Then hacked into your brain to make you worship me
Nov 28 17:18:13 <DocScrutinizer2> mrmoku: work all day :-/ heissenbug another time
Nov 28 17:18:15 <Ainulindale> So now, please kneel and pray
Nov 28 17:18:18 <sicu> Ainulindale: ok, the suspend button works for me too, but takes almost double the time (8s swbtwn vs 4s pwrbtn)
Nov 28 17:18:30 <sicu> Ainulindale: but resume is the same, so that's fine by me ;]
Nov 28 17:18:38 <Dave> I never should have trusted that damn dbus.
Nov 28 17:18:46 <sicu> Dave!
Nov 28 17:18:53 <sicu> you prodded me a few hrs ago? ;]
Nov 28 17:18:53 <Ainulindale> sicu: Well, a little bit of overhead is normal anyway
Nov 28 17:19:04 <Ainulindale> sicu: as it's launching a bash script
Nov 28 17:19:10 <Ainulindale> We may want to add things in this bash script
Nov 28 17:19:19 <sicu> Ainulindale: and displaying purdy splash ;p
Nov 28 17:19:22 <Ainulindale> Yep
Nov 28 17:19:59 <Dave> Why doesn't AUX do anything [anymore] ?
Nov 28 17:20:02 <sicu> but that's fine .. as long as resume stays the same as that is more important for getting to the calls etc in time
Nov 28 17:20:26 <Dave> before I believe it at least unblanked the screen (when it was blanked).
Nov 28 17:20:34 <Ainulindale> Dave: it does unblank  the screen
Nov 28 17:20:40 <DocScrutinizer2> Ainulindale: some of the more conservative options for deepsleep didn't work for you?
Nov 28 17:20:41 <Ainulindale> sicu: indeed
Nov 28 17:20:51 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: Well, I just tried deep_sleep and it was fine
Nov 28 17:20:54 <Ainulindale> So I didn't look further
Nov 28 17:20:57 <Dave> Ainulindale, it's doing nothing for me.
Nov 28 17:20:57 <sicu> Ainulindale: no unblanking of screen on AUX here :/
Nov 28 17:21:04 <Ainulindale> well I just tried it
Nov 28 17:21:05 <Ainulindale> and it worked
Nov 28 17:21:09 <Dave> yeah, see!
Nov 28 17:21:15 <sicu> well ... your FR must be broken then ;p
Nov 28 17:21:17 <a21_work> why if I do ifconfig eth0 down the shelf gadget shows again its icon??
Nov 28 17:21:20 <Dave> I'm not just crazy, or brainwashed.
Nov 28 17:21:33 <Ainulindale> Dave: Not just, yes. Maybe a bit more than that
Nov 28 17:21:48 <Dave> :]
Nov 28 17:21:57 <Dave> sicu, I don't think he likes me :p
Nov 28 17:22:16 <Ainulindale> That's because you have the same name as a dutch/french singer I don't like
Nov 28 17:22:18 <sicu> hehe, we can't all love you like lazy lulu
Nov 28 17:22:28 <Dave> I take that as an insult!
Nov 28 17:22:35 <Ainulindale> You wish it was an insult
Nov 28 17:22:42 <a21_work> please?
Nov 28 17:22:42 <DocScrutinizer2> Ainulindale: mickey implemented a rather cool bandaid to switch to sleep=2 only on actual occurence of #1024. Think it's called deepsleep=conservative
Nov 28 17:22:53 <a21_work> how I can power off my wifi?
Nov 28 17:23:01 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: Yeah, saw that too, but that leads to unreliable phone on short period of times
Nov 28 17:23:05 <Ainulindale> -s
Nov 28 17:23:26 <Ainulindale> a21_work: Dave has a good solution
Nov 28 17:23:29 <Ainulindale> Take a hammer first
Nov 28 17:24:09 <DocScrutinizer2> hmm, yeah. Should be bearable tho, some seconds, 2 minutes. dunno. should ask mickey
Nov 28 17:24:21 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: per mwester it was longer than that
Nov 28 17:24:23 <a21_work> tried also : iwconfig eth0 power off
Nov 28 17:24:50 <Dave> Doc, I'll test latest against it today.
Nov 28 17:24:58 <Dave> Since I am a big 1024 sufferer.
Nov 28 17:25:05 <Ainulindale> a21_work: ifconfig eth0 down?
Nov 28 17:25:15 <a21_work> it's already down
Nov 28 17:25:32 <Ainulindale> Well I can't recall how to do that
Nov 28 17:25:35 <Ainulindale> wifi is bad anyway
Nov 28 17:25:42 <a21_work> :P
Nov 28 17:26:01 <DocScrutinizer2> Dave: sleep=2 should fix it. At the expense of another few mA all the time
Nov 28 17:26:06 <a21_work> ok, i'll reboot my moko... so i can also kill my sms window :D
Nov 28 17:26:18 <Dave> Hmm, okay
Nov 28 17:26:25 <Dave> Joerg, is that because it is sleeping?
Nov 28 17:26:27 <sicu> a21_work: you could just rastart x
Nov 28 17:26:43 <a21_work> mh... ok, let's try first this solution
Nov 28 17:26:44 <DocScrutinizer2> see Dieter's most recent post to hw-ml
Nov 28 17:27:02 <Dave> :)
Nov 28 17:27:30 <DocScrutinizer2> Dave: that's because it's not that deep sleep like on sleep=4
Nov 28 17:27:36 <a21_work> ok, sms killed, wifi gadget shown
Nov 28 17:27:39 <Dave> Ah! :)
Nov 28 17:27:41 <Dave> Good thing though
Nov 28 17:28:19 <sicu> ok, AUX works for undimming the screen ... but not unblanking
Nov 28 17:28:20 <a21_work> but... i think it's sucking my battery too
Nov 28 17:28:45 <Dave> sicu yeah
Nov 28 17:29:11 <a21_work> ok, I've to reboot and test it next time... i've to go now :P
Nov 28 17:29:33 <sicu> ah, it's such a relief having my 3G SIM work on the FR =D
Nov 28 17:29:36 <sicu> thanks doc!
Nov 28 17:30:01 <DocScrutinizer2> fsck wsod :-( really fooled me whole day long
Nov 28 17:30:03 <a21_work> c ya all
Nov 28 17:30:12 <Dave> Joerg - SEE!
Nov 28 17:30:15 <a21_work> next time on this channel :D
Nov 28 17:30:16 <Dave> Isn't it a pain? :)
Nov 28 17:30:33 <Dave> I kind of think some of the developers don't believe it exists, or it's not a problem.
Nov 28 17:30:43 <Ainulindale> I don't have any wsod here
Nov 28 17:30:47 <Dave> sicu, weird, Aux worked for me now.
Nov 28 17:30:53 <Dave> before it wasn't though
Nov 28 17:31:15 <Ainulindale> If someone could tell me how to make "power" act as a keystroke for X
Nov 28 17:31:20 <Ainulindale> I'd be interested in a solution
Nov 28 17:31:23 <sicu> Dave: haha ... same here now
Nov 28 17:31:32 <Ainulindale> (told you I rule)
Nov 28 17:31:52 <DocScrutinizer2> Dave: yeah, we run tests on it all day long, using icespray, desklamp, and patched kernels a dozen. no clear results
Nov 28 17:31:59 <Dave> o_O
Nov 28 17:32:11 <Dave> I think Ainulindale is simultaneously controlling/hacking all our freerunners!
Nov 28 17:32:23 <Ainulindale> *Tun* *tun* *tuuuuuun*
Nov 28 17:32:26 <Dave> Joerg, wow, really?
Nov 28 17:32:40 <sicu> haha =p
Nov 28 17:32:43 <Dave> you tried heating/cooling investigation and different kernels?
Nov 28 17:32:45 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: if you forgot foil paper, no wonder you didn't reproduce it
Nov 28 17:33:28 <DocScrutinizer2> Dave: sure. patched kernels meddling with driver settings
Nov 28 17:33:32 <Dave> wow
Nov 28 17:33:36 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: As for myself I have a weird bug. I noticed that if I stomp my freerunner with a hammer, then go through it with a chainsaw, it tends not to work anymore
Nov 28 17:33:36 <Dave> and no clear-cut results?
Nov 28 17:33:38 <sicu> yeh, wrap it in tinfoil and heat slap it in the micro for 3 secs on low
Nov 28 17:33:51 <Dave> But you did find it happening, right? :)
Nov 28 17:33:54 <sicu> s/heat//
Nov 28 17:34:00 <Ainulindale> Though after that, no WSOD anymore
Nov 28 17:34:07 <DocScrutinizer2> actually we reproduced, much too easy
Nov 28 17:34:08 <Dave> bah :p
Nov 28 17:34:14 <Dave> Joerg :O
Nov 28 17:34:23 <Dave> So, you acknowledge it's a large problem?
Nov 28 17:34:26 <sicu> Ainulindale: i'll have to try that one ;p
Nov 28 17:34:30 <Dave> or persistent problem
Nov 28 17:34:41 <sicu> the french have such subtle ways of dealing with issues ;p
Nov 28 17:35:04 <DocScrutinizer2> sure, large problem
Nov 28 17:35:10 <Ainulindale> We tend to get on strike to deal with things, sicu 
Nov 28 17:35:10 <Dave> :)
Nov 28 17:35:18 <DocScrutinizer2> of completely unknown nature
Nov 28 17:35:21 <Dave> Ze Franch?
Nov 28 17:35:26 <Dave> Doc :o
Nov 28 17:35:34 <Dave> Yeah, i can't wait until the day it's discovered!
Nov 28 17:35:40 <Dave> (if ever)
Nov 28 17:35:49 <Ainulindale> Damn e-wm compiling again.
Nov 28 17:36:01 <Ainulindale> Takes ages
Nov 28 17:36:06 <Dave> :)
Nov 28 17:36:40 <DocScrutinizer2> seems to be sticky over reboot sometimes.
Nov 28 17:37:15 <DocScrutinizer2> other times, its completely deterministic on temperature
Nov 28 17:37:55 <DocScrutinizer2> then take out bat, and it switches 180°
Nov 28 17:38:06 <sicu> btw ... i love the new illume-settings look =]
Nov 28 17:38:12 <Ainulindale> sicu: same here
Nov 28 17:38:36 <Dave> 180°??
Nov 28 17:38:42 <Dave> As in, it completely disappears?
Nov 28 17:39:33 <DocScrutinizer2> two times we were abot to open the champain for our new driver timings. Then all of a sudden it switched to different behaviour :-(
Nov 28 17:39:44 <DocScrutinizer2> again: no fix
Nov 28 17:40:24 <DocScrutinizer2> champagne back to fridge, FR out of fridge ... >:-(
Nov 28 17:40:26 * sicu does a 180° and vanished before Dave's eyes
Nov 28 17:40:44 <Dave> :(
Nov 28 17:40:55 * Dave gives Joerg a hug
Nov 28 17:41:19 <sicu> well ... i'm off out, restaurant then pub .. see you guys !
Nov 28 17:41:22 <DocScrutinizer2> Dave: as in " suddenly shows up again, after we thought it's fixed"
Nov 28 17:42:21 <Dave> yeah
Nov 28 17:42:32 <Dave> snakkes sicu
Nov 28 17:43:41 * DocScrutinizer2 away for some dreams of a world without silicone
Nov 28 17:44:00 <Dave> :)
Nov 28 17:44:18 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: Or with two blobs of silicon
Nov 28 17:44:35 <DocScrutinizer2> lol
Nov 28 17:51:24 <Ainulindale> mrmoku?
Nov 28 17:52:36 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: for backlog 
Nov 28 17:52:44 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: if you could build a default conf for pythm
Nov 28 17:52:47 <Ainulindale> with mplayer selected
Nov 28 17:52:49 <Ainulindale> I'd be glad :-)
Nov 28 17:54:15 <Ainulindale> Well, new images will be out in a short while
Nov 28 17:54:22 <Ainulindale> e-wm is nearly at the end
Nov 28 17:54:49 <soltys> ;)
Nov 28 17:55:00 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: do you have a local git repo to make your openembedded/shr diff?
Nov 28 17:55:12 <Ainulindale> I use the one on the buildhost
Nov 28 17:55:46 <soltys> opkg upgrade will do the job or reflash again... ?
Nov 28 17:55:47 <mrmoku> there will be some stuff to add from the fastboot patches
Nov 28 17:55:57 <mrmoku> for the pythm conf - yes, will do
Nov 28 17:56:04 <Ainulindale> soltys: opkg upgrade should do the job
Nov 28 17:56:09 <Ainulindale> Though you'd have to rm .e
Nov 28 17:56:16 <soltys> ok
Nov 28 17:56:25 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: then I'll give you ssh access to the buildhost
Nov 28 17:56:45 <mrmoku> uhh, would almost prefer to not have it ;)
Nov 28 17:57:08 <Ainulindale> Heh
Nov 28 17:59:41 <mrmoku> we will see, if I got them working
Nov 28 17:59:50 * mrmoku is still compiling e-wm stuff
Nov 28 18:11:34 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: by the way, is somebody working on the gtk theme
Nov 28 18:12:07 <mrmoku> at least the scrollbars should be more finger friendly in gtk apps ;)
Nov 28 18:12:16 <md2k7> *ack*
Nov 28 18:12:27 <md2k7> think so too
Nov 28 18:17:08 <bumbl_> wow
Nov 28 18:18:06 <bumbl> one can really see the progress openmoko make (almost like kde 4.svn)
Nov 28 18:18:33 <bumbl> good work and thank you shr developers
Nov 28 18:20:06 <bumbl> is it planned to add BluseLee keyboard hack into the default shr theme?
Nov 28 18:23:47 <md2k7> I'm trying GPRS_FSO in wiki, but it tells me: got output from ppp: 'Connect script failed\n'
Nov 28 18:24:04 <md2k7> on shr
Nov 28 18:24:30 <bumbl> md2k7: this seems a known problem
Nov 28 18:24:32 <Dave> Hello bumble
Nov 28 18:24:33 <md2k7> ah, and i needed to mknod something
Nov 28 18:24:49 <Dave> bumbl, apparently now you can have separate Icon themes from what I understand?
Nov 28 18:24:58 <Dave> I would like to introduce Blueslee to this :)
Nov 28 18:25:09 <bumbl> you could before too
Nov 28 18:25:57 <Dave> makes sense :P
Nov 28 18:29:33 <Dave> Bumble, then the only question is, why has this not been done yet!? :)
Nov 28 18:32:39 <richy> bumbl: where can I find his kbd files?
Nov 28 18:33:57 <Dave> ask bumble :D
Nov 28 18:42:26 <bumbl> greping it
Nov 28 18:43:03 <bumbl> http://pastebin.ca/1267736
Nov 28 18:44:07 <Dave> :p
Nov 28 19:11:28 <Ainulindale> Well, new image is here
Nov 28 19:15:00 <Hire> uhm
Nov 28 19:15:03 <Hire> interesting
Nov 28 19:17:28 <Ainulindale> With all the changes
Nov 28 19:17:32 <Ainulindale> And soon, mrmoku's patches
Nov 28 19:19:26 <alfa21> funky s*t!
Nov 28 19:19:31 <alfa21> :(
Nov 28 19:19:48 <mrmoku> Heh, working on it
Nov 28 19:20:21 <alfa21> i'm trying to get the mixer gadget shown as an hidden shelf gadget
Nov 28 19:20:54 <Ainulindale> mwester?
Nov 28 19:21:09 <alfa21> but asa I do check its checkbox and close the config... enlightment crashes :(
Nov 28 19:21:14 <alfa21> :(
Nov 28 19:21:19 <Ainulindale> alfa21: known problem
Nov 28 19:21:26 * mwester wakes up and looks around grumpily
Nov 28 19:21:36 <Ainulindale> mwester: a gta01 image is on its way, if you wish to test it
Nov 28 19:21:42 <mwester> :)
Nov 28 19:21:53 <Ainulindale> I'd definitely like your advice too on the kernel POV
Nov 28 19:22:09 <Hire> oh no!
Nov 28 19:22:12 <Hire> nothing
Nov 28 19:22:19 <mwester> A fresh Qt Extended image in jffs2, and a fresh SHR on the SD card... and a sunny day.  How wonderful!
Nov 28 19:23:27 <alfa21> oh about jffs2 or tgz versions.... i think they should have different fstab... am I wrong?
Nov 28 19:23:38 <Ainulindale> Hire: Would you please be able to opkg update upgrade and tell me if the buttons of the screen are back?
Nov 28 19:23:55 <Ainulindale> mwester: about the kernel thing
Nov 28 19:24:02 <Ainulindale> Should we package yours?
Nov 28 19:24:12 <Ainulindale> I'm interested in the changelog
Nov 28 19:24:19 <Ainulindale> I'd be willing to build a bb recipe for that
Nov 28 19:24:27 <Hire> Ainulindale: sure
Nov 28 19:25:37 <Ainulindale> Hire: By the way, about the theme
Nov 28 19:25:42 <mwester> Ainulindale:  I think you should stick with the Om kernel officially, lest we perpetuate the myth that there has been a fork.  It will also encourage me to keep pushing patches to Om.
Nov 28 19:25:44 <Ainulindale> All is already there to build it on the repo
Nov 28 19:25:46 <alfa21> the block device differs depending on where you put your /
Nov 28 19:25:57 <Ainulindale> mwester: well, I don't really care
Nov 28 19:26:04 <Ainulindale> mwester: If your kernel is a good thing
Nov 28 19:26:08 <Ainulindale> And if people using it prefer it
Nov 28 19:26:09 <alfa21> so the fstab should be different
Nov 28 19:26:09 <Hire> Ainulindale: cool :D
Nov 28 19:26:12 <Ainulindale> It's logical for that
Nov 28 19:26:18 <Ainulindale> That we, community, use it
Nov 28 19:26:31 <Ainulindale> alfa21: please open a ticket
Nov 28 19:26:50 <Ainulindale> mwester: I'm talking about getting vanilla OM then patching it
Nov 28 19:26:51 <Ainulindale> Just that
Nov 28 19:27:02 <Ainulindale> And I don't care about politics
Nov 28 19:27:03 <alfa21> sure Ainulindale 
Nov 28 19:27:08 <mwester> At present, the only difference is a set of debugging patches that should have no impact, and the careful selection of which GIT version is chosen for each of the GTA01 and GTA02 kernels.
Nov 28 19:27:09 <Ainulindale> I care about delivering a working distro
Nov 28 19:27:16 <alfa21> opening it right now ;)
Nov 28 19:27:22 <Ainulindale> mwester: regarding that
Nov 28 19:27:35 <Ainulindale> mwester: I'd be glad if you'd accept a little investment of your time
Nov 28 19:27:39 <Ainulindale> To set the kernel versions in our repo
Nov 28 19:27:53 <Ainulindale> I think you're the one following it the more closely
Nov 28 19:28:04 <Ainulindale> And I'm not competent enough to judge this things
Nov 28 19:28:17 <Ainulindale> (I'm talking about updating our srcrev once in a while)
Nov 28 19:28:24 <mwester> I can do that.  I'll send the matching GIT hashes for the Om "stable" branch via email.
Nov 28 19:28:31 <Ainulindale> well
Nov 28 19:28:35 <Ainulindale> I'd rather give you commit access
Nov 28 19:28:48 <mwester> :)  If it's in OE, I already have that.
Nov 28 19:28:57 <Ainulindale> Well
Nov 28 19:29:01 <Ainulindale> Do you set srcrev in OE?
Nov 28 19:29:11 <Ainulindale> If you do, then my suggestion is redundant
Nov 28 19:29:31 <Ainulindale> If you don't, then I'm interested in that
Nov 28 19:30:37 <mwester> The srcrev is set in the conf file used for SHR -- is that conf file in OE, or in the SHR repo?  (do  you have OE access yet/)
Nov 28 19:30:51 <Ainulindale> I have OE access
Nov 28 19:30:57 <Ainulindale> We used two srcrevs
Nov 28 19:31:03 <Ainulindale> The sane-srcrev from OE
Nov 28 19:31:05 <Ainulindale> And our own srcrev
Nov 28 19:31:18 <Ainulindale> Our own being the superseding one
Nov 28 19:31:56 <Ainulindale> mwester: and anyway, regarding forks
Nov 28 19:32:01 <Ainulindale> I started generating diff for OE here
Nov 28 19:32:15 <Ainulindale> This is not a matter of patching or forking or whatever
Nov 28 19:32:21 <Ainulindale> This is just a matter of having working stuff :-)
Nov 28 19:32:32 <alfa21> #162
Nov 28 19:32:40 <Ainulindale> (rootfs is currently processing mwester)
Nov 28 19:32:49 <mwester> :)
Nov 28 19:32:52 <Hire> Ainulindale
Nov 28 19:32:56 <Ainulindale> Yes?
Nov 28 19:33:07 <Ainulindale> (My guess is something went wrong)
Nov 28 19:33:34 <Hire> you are right
Nov 28 19:33:39 <Ainulindale> So what is it?
Nov 28 19:33:40 <Hire> my fr is crashed
Nov 28 19:33:42 <Ainulindale> I don't have much time
Nov 28 19:33:44 <Ainulindale> Why?
Nov 28 19:33:45 <Hire> E was crashed
Nov 28 19:33:52 <Ainulindale> Why again?
Nov 28 19:34:04 <Hire> this time is a your fault :D
Nov 28 19:34:06 <Ainulindale> (I should really build this testing/unstable thing)
Nov 28 19:34:09 <Ainulindale> Why why why?
Nov 28 19:34:16 <Ainulindale> I don't have much time here
Nov 28 19:34:17 <Ainulindale> I'm not at home
Nov 28 19:34:21 <Ainulindale> I'm going to play some music
Nov 28 19:34:26 <Ainulindale> So be quick :-)
Nov 28 19:34:32 <alfa21> lol
Nov 28 19:34:57 <Hire> me too i want to go to the pub
Nov 28 19:34:58 <Hire> however
Nov 28 19:35:07 <Hire> i don't know why but i get a nice bsod
Nov 28 19:35:30 <Hire> first i got the usually E warning bla bla
Nov 28 19:35:41 <Ainulindale> I have to go
Nov 28 19:35:42 <Hire> next I got a nice-to-see bsod
Nov 28 19:35:42 <Ainulindale> See you
Nov 28 19:35:45 <Ainulindale> Sorry I can't fix that
Nov 28 19:35:49 <Hire> don't worry :)
Nov 28 19:36:08 <Hire> i have 30 minutes to see what you have borked ...
Nov 28 19:36:12 <Hire> had
Nov 28 19:36:56 <alfa21> today I've used my openmoko as a wifi card for my notebook :D
Nov 28 19:37:49 <Hire> cool :)
Nov 28 19:39:11 <alfa21> un vecchio notebook senza wifi ma con l'usb
Nov 28 19:39:36 <alfa21> oops... :O an old notebook without wifi but with an usb port
Nov 28 19:39:53 <GNUtoo> hello,how do you makes packages for the openmoko(what should i put in openembedded's local.conf to get  the ipk for all packages that i build and there deps)
Nov 28 19:43:23 <Hire> un altro italiano?
Nov 28 19:43:31 <Hire> orco cacchio
Nov 28 19:43:41 <Hire> pure tu, spostati su #telefoninux
Nov 28 19:43:44 <alfa21> Hire, son sempre io, a21 :D
Nov 28 19:43:53 <Hire> ah allora sparisci :O
Nov 28 19:43:59 <alfa21> ghghgh
Nov 28 19:44:11 <Hire> vabbè, vado a prendere una birra e poi esco
Nov 28 19:44:17 <alfa21> c u all, next time... have to go now
Nov 28 19:44:21 <alfa21> idem
Nov 28 19:48:56 * bumbl waves to the Italians
Nov 28 19:50:47 <b0ef> ehlo
Nov 28 19:51:01 <b0ef> running debian and nothing seems to work after I upgraded
Nov 28 19:51:11 <b0ef> http://www.esben-stien.name/frameworkd-3.log.it
Nov 28 19:51:20 <b0ef> seems it's missing some rules files, too
Nov 28 19:52:06 <b0ef> there was also somehow made a debian backup (dpkg-bak) of framworkd files in /etc
Nov 28 19:52:21 <b0ef> is there some reinstall target that just cleans all this up=
Nov 28 19:52:25 <b0ef> s/up=/up?/
Nov 28 19:52:47 <lindi-> b0ef: dpkg -l | grep fso
Nov 28 19:53:49 <b0ef> lindi-: http://www.esben-stien.name/dpkg-fso.log.it
Nov 28 19:54:04 <Dave> :)
Nov 28 19:57:56 <lindi-> fgau: fso-config-gta02 is missing
Nov 28 20:03:54 <b0ef> right, so I'm trying to install fso-config-gta02
Nov 28 20:13:58 <b0ef> hmm, so it finds the rules, now, but I killed all and now it seems I get some errors from the gsm modem
Nov 28 20:14:06 <b0ef> http://www.esben-stien.name/frameworkd-4.log.it
Nov 28 20:38:26 <b0ef> nobody has any idea?
Nov 28 20:38:34 <b0ef> is it supposed to be broken?;)
Nov 28 20:42:25 <mrmoku> b0ef: did you restart frameworkd and the gsm..mux thing?
Nov 28 20:42:35 <mrmoku> and _not_ I mean
Nov 28 20:43:18 <b0ef> mrmoku: yes, I've killed everything (frameworkd, gsm0710muxd and zhone) many times now
Nov 28 21:05:12 <lindi-> b0ef: hmm
Nov 28 21:05:50 <lindi-> b0ef: can you talk to gsm manually?
Nov 28 21:06:39 <b0ef> lindi-: don't know, but I started up the distro that came with it and it registered there
Nov 28 21:06:54 <b0ef> lindi-: no sound, though, so I wonder if it comes muted
Nov 28 21:07:39 <lindi-> b0ef: does gsm0710muxd log anything to syslog or stderr?
Nov 28 21:07:57 <b0ef> lindi-: I'll start it back up and see
Nov 28 21:16:58 <b0ef> well, I'll be a monkey's uncle
Nov 28 21:17:08 <b0ef> after the reboot, it registered
Nov 28 21:17:20 <b0ef> ;), been scratching my head for a few hours;)
Nov 28 21:17:26 <b0ef> lindi-: thanks, anyway
Nov 28 21:17:49 <lindi-> hmm
Nov 28 21:17:53 <lindi-> b0ef: always keep daily backups
Nov 28 21:18:03 <lindi-> b0ef: this way you can later check if you really changed something
Nov 28 21:18:07 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: hi, did you removed gtk+ from the feed?
Nov 28 21:18:27 <b0ef> lindi-: right
Nov 28 21:26:47 <Dave> Blueslee!
Nov 28 21:26:55 <BluesLee> Dave!
Nov 28 21:28:17 <Dave> So I'm fooling around on SHR this morning and under settings there is an listing of Icon Themes and it got me thinking, why haven't you done this yet? :)
Nov 28 21:28:48 <BluesLee> i dont know how this works
Nov 28 21:30:21 <BluesLee> there is an icons conf file
Nov 28 21:31:02 <BluesLee> in /usr/share/icons somewhere 
Nov 28 21:31:18 <BluesLee> it contains the folder where it looks for the icons
Nov 28 21:31:54 <BluesLee> i guess that those under the icon themes contain this config file
Nov 28 21:32:17 <BluesLee> on the other hand the shr and also the default icons are contained in the fs
Nov 28 21:32:45 <BluesLee> so that i have to distribute it via an opkg package
Nov 28 21:33:02 <BluesLee> dave: i dont know what i am talking about:-)
Nov 28 21:33:44 <BluesLee> i lost the digital clock again due to an opkg upgrade
Nov 28 21:33:48 <BluesLee> anyone else?
Nov 28 21:38:48 <mrmoku> BluesLee: no, I've got it
Nov 28 21:39:07 <BluesLee> did you reflashed? 
Nov 28 21:39:17 <BluesLee> or did an upgrade 
Nov 28 21:39:32 <mrmoku> reflashed ;)
Nov 28 21:39:39 <mrmoku> have you deleted /home/root/.e
Nov 28 21:39:41 <mrmoku> ?
Nov 28 21:39:59 <BluesLee> before upgrading?
Nov 28 21:40:12 <mrmoku> after - and restart X
Nov 28 21:40:24 <BluesLee> yeah, i tried that
Nov 28 21:40:30 <mrmoku> hmm
Nov 28 21:40:48 <BluesLee> i am upgrading again
Nov 28 21:41:50 <Dave> good
Nov 28 21:42:00 <Dave> BluesLee, I lost it too, earlier, but it came back after I did that
Nov 28 21:45:45 <BluesLee> had to take the battery out after upgrading
Nov 28 21:45:48 <BluesLee> hmmm
Nov 28 21:50:51 <BluesLee> good night guys
Nov 28 22:02:15 <TAsn> man im installing shr on mmc 
Nov 28 22:02:18 <TAsn> it's taking ages ;]
Nov 28 22:02:26 <TAsn> still extracting.........
Nov 28 22:03:11 <TAsn> and im using the lite img...
Nov 28 22:14:44 <TAsn> done ;]
Nov 28 22:14:50 <TAsn> man that was like 30 mins.
Nov 28 22:14:51 <TAsn> ;\
Nov 28 22:21:44 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: time?
Nov 28 22:29:28 <Dave> extracting...?
Nov 28 22:29:38 <Dave> Are you lobotomizing yourself, Tasn? :p
Nov 28 22:30:25 <TAsn> what's lobotomizing?
Nov 28 22:33:11 <Dave> hahaha
Nov 28 22:33:16 <Dave> look it up :p
Nov 28 22:33:35 <Dave> Tasn, are you german?
Nov 28 22:33:42 <TAsn> no.
Nov 28 22:33:56 <Dave> oh, what then? :D
Nov 28 22:34:09 <TAsn> grr weird my python apps do not work with the new shr
Nov 28 22:34:13 <TAsn> Dave, israeli.
Nov 28 22:34:14 <Dave> :o
Nov 28 22:34:18 <Dave> ;D
Nov 28 22:34:59 <Dave> Man,... does -anyone- "use" mofi?
Nov 28 22:35:08 * Dave rolls his eyes skeptically
Nov 28 22:47:12 <tomboy64> Dave: mofi is broken. utterly so.
Nov 28 22:47:25 <tomboy64> wpa_supplicant is the way to go.
Nov 28 22:47:34 <TAsn> tomboy64, isn't there a gui solution?
Nov 28 22:47:52 <tomboy64> wpa_supplicant provides wpa_gui
Nov 28 22:47:59 <tomboy64> it depends upon qt afaik
Nov 28 22:48:03 <TAsn> ;\
Nov 28 22:48:08 <tomboy64> no idea whether it runs on the fr
Nov 28 22:55:24 <Dave> Good.
Nov 28 22:55:37 <Dave> glad someone agrees with me :]
Nov 28 22:55:40 <Dave> or simply sees the truth
Nov 28 23:44:51 <pieterc> Hi
Nov 28 23:45:18 <pieterc> I'm trying to code an input method for the GnuBoy-port Thomas Bertani did
Nov 28 23:45:50 <pieterc> But i'm not too experienced and i wondered if anyone tried implementing touchscreen clicks using sdl...
Nov 28 23:46:17 <pieterc> I looked into the duke3d code but did not become any wiser
Nov 28 23:46:21 <pieterc> (maybe a little ;))
Nov 28 23:46:23 <dolf1074> pieterc: yes, I tried already to make an input method for GnuBoy
Nov 28 23:46:35 <pieterc> and how did that go?
Nov 28 23:46:41 <dolf1074> but the sdl doesn't give the right coordinates
Nov 28 23:46:50 <dolf1074> it's a long time ago
Nov 28 23:47:22 <pieterc> is it a gnuboy only issue, or does it affect duke3d aswell?
Nov 28 23:47:30 <dolf1074> but I rewrite the poll function of gnuboy and added a sdl function
Nov 28 23:47:33 <pieterc> (no problems concerning duke3d i guess)
Nov 28 23:47:42 <dolf1074> It effects all
Nov 28 23:48:11 <dolf1074> only has duke3d the right x/y ratio
Nov 28 23:48:34 <dolf1074> And it only works 'properly' if the screen is rotated to side 3 and not on side 1
Nov 28 23:48:52 <pieterc> ah right
Nov 28 23:49:09 <pieterc> so the solution is simple?
Nov 28 23:49:15 <pieterc> rotate it to side 3?
Nov 28 23:49:58 <dolf1074> Gnuboy doesn't fill the whole screen and that's a problem. and therefor it will not give the right coordinates, even with it rotated to side 3
Nov 28 23:50:35 <pieterc> with fullscreen on, it does? Or is the 'black' part of the screen not actual screen?
Nov 28 23:51:06 <dolf1074> the black border around the screen gives even weirder stuff
Nov 28 23:51:07 <pieterc> i saw kobodeluxe uses the space under the screen to be tapped....
Nov 28 23:51:26 <dolf1074> pieterc: you can try, it's 2 months ago I tried
Nov 28 23:51:36 <dolf1074> and I lost my sources :(
Nov 28 23:51:48 <pieterc> darn
Nov 28 23:51:55 <dolf1074> I hacked it directly on the neo and did a reflash :s
Nov 28 23:52:09 <pieterc> using vi?
Nov 28 23:52:21 <pieterc> lol ;)
Nov 28 23:52:24 <dolf1074> sorry
Nov 28 23:52:31 <pieterc> no problem :)
Nov 28 23:52:36 <pieterc> I'm glad to hear someone tried yet:)
Nov 28 23:52:44 <dolf1074> no gedit :)
Nov 28 23:53:55 <pieterc> what file did you change?
Nov 28 23:54:04 <pieterc> the sdl.c ?
Nov 28 23:54:07 <pieterc> of the input.h?
Nov 28 23:54:10 <pieterc> *or
Nov 28 23:54:21 <dolf1074> I think I changed it directly in the main
Nov 28 23:54:35 <pieterc> ok.. that makes sense
Nov 28 23:54:49 <pieterc> (not ironically)
Nov 28 23:54:51 <pieterc> ;)
Nov 28 23:54:52 <pieterc> ;)
Nov 28 23:54:58 <dolf1074> There is a function that is called every frame
Nov 28 23:55:10 <dolf1074> and it has some function to a keyboard poll thing
Nov 28 23:55:25 <dolf1074> (but I think I will download the sources, so I can tell you for sure ;) )
Nov 28 23:55:37 <pieterc> i'm looking into it right now;)
Nov 28 23:56:09 <pieterc> do_events?
Nov 28 23:56:25 <dolf1074> can be, but I have a visual memory :)
Nov 28 23:56:59 <pieterc> yeah, me too, but vim in ubuntu doesn't return damn COLOURS ;)
Nov 28 23:57:10 <dolf1074> pieterc: btw: http://n2.nabble.com/libsdl-and-gnuboy-tp1304780p1304780.html ;)
Nov 28 23:57:27 <pieterc> ... google is hiding that from me
Nov 28 23:57:28 <pieterc> ...
Nov 28 23:57:30 <pieterc> i'm sure
Nov 28 23:58:14 <dolf1074> can you give me the link of where I can download gnuboy? Can't find it
Nov 28 23:59:08 <pieterc> http://brightrain.aerifal.cx/~laguna/src/
Nov 28 23:59:13 <pieterc> I got the src of 13
Nov 28 23:59:33 <pieterc> no
Nov 28 23:59:36 <pieterc> i'm lying
Nov 28 23:59:41 <pieterc> src of 1.0.3
Nov 28 23:59:49 <pieterc> also got a 1 & 3 ;)
Nov 28 23:59:51 <dolf1074> you lyar :o
Nov 28 23:59:56 <dolf1074> :)
Nov 29 00:00:28 <dolf1074> yup, I did it in the doevents
Nov 29 00:01:00 <dolf1074> just replace the while with the functions you can find in sdl
Nov 29 00:01:28 <dolf1074> And there I used the example of duke3d
Nov 29 00:01:49 <pieterc> alright
Nov 29 00:02:28 <pieterc> btw,on the mailinglist, was that your post?
Nov 29 00:02:33 <dolf1074> yup
Nov 29 00:02:36 <pieterc> ok :
Nov 29 00:02:37 <pieterc> :)
Nov 29 00:03:23 <dolf1074> going to sleep, bye
Nov 29 00:03:35 <pieterc> me too :)
Nov 29 00:04:16 <b0ef> hmm, it seems to constantly loose registration after a while
Nov 29 00:04:42 <b0ef> read somewhere about a reregistration bug; anyone have the bug number for that?
Nov 29 00:05:29 <mwester> 1024
Nov 29 00:05:41 <b0ef> thanks, I'll read on that
Nov 29 00:05:52 <pieterc> 1mega actually ;)
Nov 29 00:06:46 <b0ef> well, mebi, actually;)
Nov 29 00:07:01 <quatrox|away> ehh... one k
Nov 29 00:07:06 <b0ef> right, hehe
Nov 29 00:07:08 <b0ef> kibi
Nov 29 00:08:08 <b0ef> hmm, this is #1024 in fso trac?
Nov 29 00:08:36 <mwester> in Openmoko trac
Nov 29 00:10:17 <Dave> Mwester :)
Nov 29 00:11:02 <Ainulindale> Ping
Nov 29 00:11:15 <b0ef> hmm, weird; this is a hardware bug; I've never experienced this before
Nov 29 00:11:24 <Ainulindale> Dave: We did icons
Nov 29 00:12:14 <Dave> Sweet, really/
Nov 29 00:13:05 <Ainulindale> Why do you there are these shiny icons on our theme?
Nov 29 00:13:09 <Ainulindale> +think
Nov 29 00:13:24 <Dave> Are there now?
Nov 29 00:13:41 <Dave> Last I checked they were hardly polished ;)
Nov 29 00:13:42 <Ainulindale> Hmm
Nov 29 00:13:45 <Ainulindale> You don't have icons?
Nov 29 00:15:55 <Dave> Hmm, really wish shutdown was quicker or more informative.
Nov 29 00:16:07 <Dave> a console would even be acceptable.
Nov 29 00:17:50 <Ainulindale> Dave: There's a shutdown menu now
Nov 29 00:17:54 <Ainulindale> With a splash
Nov 29 00:18:55 <Dave> where is it? :)
Nov 29 00:19:04 <Dave> I upgraded but I didn't see either.
Nov 29 00:19:18 <Ainulindale> on the home screen
Nov 29 00:19:23 <Ainulindale> click on the menu then the cross
Nov 29 00:19:31 <Ainulindale> as if you were trying to close the home screen
Nov 29 00:19:46 <Dave> hmm, I'll see
Nov 29 00:19:57 <Ainulindale> Oh I can ensurey ou it's there
Nov 29 00:20:15 <Dave> shit, now it's hanging on boot
Nov 29 00:20:25 <Dave> It's entered runlevel 5 and in the console...
Nov 29 00:20:54 <Dave> the touchscreen responds, but it's just hanging at Starting Xserver
Nov 29 00:21:00 <Ainulindale> That's weird
Nov 29 00:21:14 <Dave> Yeah :\
Nov 29 00:21:20 <Dave> Hasn't happened to me before now
Nov 29 00:21:27 <Dave> I wonder if usb will respond
Nov 29 00:21:27 <Ainulindale> Well, yank out the battery
Nov 29 00:21:39 <Ainulindale> And restart
Nov 29 00:21:41 <Dave> hah it does
Nov 29 00:21:50 <Ainulindale> Then try to see what it is
Nov 29 00:21:52 <Dave> sweet
Nov 29 00:21:52 <Ainulindale> See x.log
Nov 29 00:21:54 <Dave> yes!
Nov 29 00:21:56 <Dave> :)
Nov 29 00:21:59 <Dave> I'm in
Nov 29 00:22:15 <Dave> where is it?
Nov 29 00:22:24 <Ainulindale> /tmp iirc
Nov 29 00:22:31 <Dave> ah :)
Nov 29 00:22:54 <Dave> want me to paste? it's only 5 lines
Nov 29 00:23:08 <Ainulindale> Well, paste
Nov 29 00:23:16 <Dave> nothing interesting though...
Nov 29 00:23:30 <Dave> (II) verbosity set to 5
Nov 29 00:23:30 <Dave> Using GLAMO 3362 card
Nov 29 00:23:30 <Dave> (II) Screen: 16/16 depth/bpp
Nov 29 00:23:30 <Dave> (II) vram size:4194304, onscreen vram size:614400, offscreen vram size:3579904
Nov 29 00:23:33 <Dave> (II) initialising offscreen pixmaps
Nov 29 00:23:41 <Ainulindale> Then try to see the e log
Nov 29 00:24:03 <Dave> where's that? :P
Nov 29 00:24:10 <Ainulindale> tmp iirc
Nov 29 00:24:21 <Dave> the only thing in tmp is x.log
Nov 29 00:24:42 <Ainulindale> Then I don't know
Nov 29 00:25:00 <Dave> :\
Nov 29 00:25:16 <Dave> the boot from dmesg looks normal...
Nov 29 00:25:34 <Dave> other than the usual glamo crap
Nov 29 00:25:38 <Dave> damn
Nov 29 00:25:52 <Dave> wonder if I can take a screenshot...
Nov 29 00:26:04 <Ainulindale> no display, no screenshot
Nov 29 00:26:07 <Ainulindale> no screenshot, no chocolate
Nov 29 00:26:09 <Ainulindale> no chocolate, no dave
Nov 29 00:26:19 <Dave> Aw :(
Nov 29 00:26:25 <Dave> sadness
Nov 29 00:32:04 <Dave> So no further thought?
Nov 29 00:32:10 <Ainulindale> No, none
Nov 29 00:32:20 <Dave> I should probably just reboot like the average windows user then, huh?
Nov 29 00:34:55 <Ainulindale> Yeah, probably =)
Nov 29 00:40:41 <Dave> Aw fine
Nov 29 00:40:48 <Dave> wonder if I can still upgrade successfully ;D
Nov 29 00:41:41 <Dave> sweet
Nov 29 00:47:45 <Dave> Ainu, why does shutdown take so long? (Yes, I see the splash screen now though)
Nov 29 00:48:07 <Ainulindale> Because you're doomed
Nov 29 00:48:10 <Ainulindale> Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed
Nov 29 00:48:13 <Ainulindale> (No idea)
Nov 29 00:48:17 <Dave> -_-
Nov 29 00:48:25 <Ainulindale> You see
Nov 29 00:48:30 <Ainulindale> I don't really care about shutdown for now
Nov 29 00:48:35 <Ainulindale> If it boots
Nov 29 00:48:37 <Ainulindale> If it boots fast
Nov 29 00:48:39 <Dave> Right right
Nov 29 00:48:40 <Ainulindale> And if it works
Nov 29 00:48:42 <Ainulindale> I'm happy
Nov 29 00:48:54 <Dave> Okay, just asking a legitimate question :)
Nov 29 00:48:54 <Ainulindale> Sometimes I'm also happy when it manages to call
Nov 29 00:48:57 <Ainulindale> I know
Nov 29 00:49:01 <Ainulindale> I'm just joking you around
Nov 29 00:49:07 <Dave> Okay :P
Nov 29 00:51:04 <Dave> sicu
Nov 29 00:51:11 <Dave> it's doing it again :x
Nov 29 00:53:15 <Dave> Ainu, cute shutdown menu
Nov 29 00:53:32 <Dave> clearly hacked up, at the moment :]
Nov 29 00:53:34 <Dave> It's nice though.
Nov 29 00:57:16 <Dave> Is there any easy way to give AUX functionality?
Nov 29 00:58:47 <Dave> raster
Nov 29 00:59:29 <raster> if x were to produce keystrokes....
Nov 29 00:59:34 <raster> like on 2008.x
Nov 29 01:00:12 <Dave> raster, why don't we have a date setting dealie in the settings menu? furthermore, it could easily use your spiffy iphone-like alarm widgets, right?
Nov 29 01:00:58 <raster> you could
Nov 29 01:01:03 <raster> someone needs to write such a tool
Nov 29 01:01:07 <raster> e supports system config utils
Nov 29 01:01:12 <raster> if u use ubuntu for example
Nov 29 01:01:22 <raster> all the ubuntu system config tools are in ue's config panel
Nov 29 01:01:30 <raster> it finds their .desktops and puts them in under system
Nov 29 01:02:35 <Dave> :)
Nov 29 01:02:45 <Dave> yeah...
Nov 29 01:02:50 <Dave> someone needs to write a lot of tools...
Nov 29 01:02:54 <Dave> ¬_¬
Nov 29 01:03:41 <Dave> Someone also should make a tool which allows for the easy creation/compilation of new themes
Nov 29 01:04:05 <Dave> I hear it's a bitch and a half, and requires knowledge of edje??
Nov 29 01:12:25 <raster> yes
Nov 29 01:12:34 <raster> well you can just replace the .png's
Nov 29 01:12:43 <raster> most "skins" in most environments thats all they do
Nov 29 01:12:49 <raster> change some fonts, colors and images
Nov 29 01:12:53 <raster> they never try layout changes
Nov 29 01:12:58 <raster> in edje you can also do layotu changes
Nov 29 01:13:10 <raster> if you want to do animation and layout changes u'd better get to knwo edje
Nov 29 01:24:36 <Dave> yeah :\
Nov 29 01:25:15 <Dave> but raster, my understanding is the same of om, in that if you simply replace the icons or some such without formally packaging it into a theme (using edje or whatnot), and upgrade could fuck everything up
Nov 29 01:25:35 <raster> yes
Nov 29 01:25:40 <raster> i could add features
Nov 29 01:25:43 <raster> or change how something works
Nov 29 01:25:49 <raster> e is not even alpha
Nov 29 01:25:54 <raster> and a lot of cleaning is still left to be done
Nov 29 01:26:01 <Ainulindale> Dave: that's why we did a theme package
Nov 29 01:26:10 <raster> same with the kernel
Nov 29 01:26:17 <raster> they may change interfaces for a driver
Nov 29 01:26:26 <raster> same for x drivers
Nov 29 01:26:30 <raster> or for pretty much anything
Nov 29 01:26:35 <raster> "it may change - u'll have to adapt":
Nov 29 01:26:42 <Ainulindale> Even for raster
Nov 29 01:26:49 <Ainulindale> Change its keyboard, and voila, a Dave 
Nov 29 01:26:53 <Ainulindale> s/its/his/
Nov 29 01:27:26 <Ainulindale> (instead of being dumb I should focus on drinking my beer silently)
Nov 29 01:29:49 <Dave> BORG
Nov 29 01:30:04 <Dave> e will adapt, eh? :P
Nov 29 01:30:57 <Dave> along those lines, too bad your code isn't as fast as their ships :P
Nov 29 02:22:19 <calamarz> hi there
Nov 29 02:57:05 <kd8ikt> tangogps thinks its Wed 1969-12-11 18:59:59  sats=0/0
Nov 29 02:59:28 <kd8ikt> 31st
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