**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 02 02:59:57 2008 Dec 02 06:23:54 I caused FSO to crash :-D Dec 02 06:29:26 * Sargun thwacks mickey|flu|zzZZz Dec 02 06:58:24 any devs here? Dec 02 07:16:12 Sargun: Hi :) i'm not a dev, but why don't you post the logs and a small description somewhere (pastebin?) for the others to see? Dec 02 07:16:51 uhm, no. Dec 02 07:17:02 It's ok, it's been sorted out. Dec 02 07:17:12 thanks Dec 02 07:20:05 Sargun: and what was it then? Why don't you share the knowledge? ;) Dec 02 07:20:49 uhm, sharing is bad, this isn't some open project, is it? Dec 02 07:23:04 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/260 Dec 02 07:23:05 Sargun: What is not some open project? OpenMoko? Android? Qtopia? FSO? Debian? Are you on the right channel? ;) Dec 02 07:23:08 I'm sdhillon. Dec 02 07:23:14 I was making a joke. Dec 02 07:24:48 Sargun: Oh, i see now :) Dec 02 07:25:14 you might want to refresh Dec 02 07:25:32 roh, mind looking at ticket #260, and pushing that patch against trunk? Dec 02 07:25:39 or will you wait for mickey|flu|zzZZz Dec 02 07:25:59 Sargun: btw, what's your personal opinion about the issue? Should posix signals be used at all here? Dec 02 07:26:19 POSIX signals have to be used to kill gsmd right now. Dec 02 07:26:51 I don't have an opinion, I just want shit to work. Dec 02 07:26:53 :-P Dec 02 07:28:46 Sargun: you could have used pkill for the same purpose as well. Dec 02 07:29:01 pkill? Dec 02 07:29:07 hi all, i see latest android is available at http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ ; anyone tried already ? Dec 02 07:29:08 you mean the command? Dec 02 07:29:29 * Sargun thwacks PaulFertser, for suggesting the use of outside system() calls. Dec 02 07:29:50 the implementation earlier was using /bin/killall, but that's not always built on busybox systems Dec 02 07:31:14 Sargun: i know about it, as i am the original reporter. The thing is that i consider the first implementation as an ad hoc hack as well as the "fixed" that doesn't use system() calls. And if it doesn't matter to you how correct is the solution, why not use what's already available -- pkill? Dec 02 07:31:34 pkill isn't available on all systems. Dec 02 07:31:58 why is the new solution a hack in your opinion? Dec 02 07:32:25 Sargun: But it still should be considered a workaround. Mixing dbus calls with POSIX signals is inconsistent. What if we have 2 modems on the same device? Or what if gsm0710muxd is running on another machine and uses dbus over TCP/IP? And so on... (from the ticket) Dec 02 07:33:08 Well, the optimal solution would be for gsm0710muxd to accept kill signals over dbus; but sometimes gsm0710muxd is stupid, and locks up. Dec 02 07:34:42 Hm, what's a good, easy to setup IMAP daemon? Dec 02 07:35:27 Sargun: Exactly. That is why it is gsm0710muxd that should be fixed. Btw, have you seen my report with description of a bug in it, triggering on receiving a 2048 block of data from the modem in one read() call? Dec 02 07:38:58 yeah, I agree that gsm0710muxd should be fixed, but right now, it works. Dec 02 07:39:07 I think priority #1 is getting a working platform Dec 02 07:39:13 Priority #2 is doing it right Dec 02 07:39:18 and no, I have not seen that Dec 02 07:39:21 can you direct me to it Dec 02 07:44:50 Sargun: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/smartphones-userland/2008-December/000675.html Dec 02 07:50:37 Does gsm0710muxd really need to be written in C? Dec 02 07:51:18 Or is Python too slow? Dec 02 07:53:23 Additionally, any reason we're not at python 2.6 yet? Dec 02 07:53:27 I have no idea. It seems that Python implementation if carefully written would work ok but that's just a speculation, i never tried to write a Python program myself. Dec 02 07:53:53 Python is far easier Dec 02 07:53:54 :-) Dec 02 07:54:14 My point was that gsm0710mux is not bug-free and it doesn't always work and it should be fixed anyway. Dec 02 07:54:26 gsm0710muxd is a piece of junk ;-P Dec 02 07:55:27 Btw, do you have Debian cross-compiling environment set up? May be you could compile a fixed version for me so i will turn the debugging output again in case of other problems during everyday use? Dec 02 07:59:13 Oh, and i'm as i don't know Python, could you probably explain (in short) what was wrong with the Mickey's way of killing? Did .read() throw an exception? What kind of proc entry was it? I'm just curious. Dec 02 08:11:31 Ainulindale: I will not make any specs again. I think we both agree, we lost a couple of precious hours yesterday. I think you could make that spec within the wasted time you had the discussion with me. I will just target small patches for SHR from now on. Dec 02 08:24:37 any android dev here? Dec 02 08:24:49 I don't find a way to put on the virtual keyboard Dec 02 08:25:14 and the latest kernel doesn't work for me Dec 02 08:31:44 <[Rui]> mwester: if you have timestamps, after about 9h it still hasn't finished: 2008-12-02 08:30:31 (2.00 MB/s) - `/opt/openmoko/fso-console/downloads/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git.tar.gz' saved [273011921/273011921] Dec 02 09:28:50 *tanz* eine nacht lang im suspend und kein wsod und alles ging noch *freu* Dec 02 09:29:35 ähm, *dance* one night in suspend and no wsod and everything worked like charm *smile* Dec 02 09:29:42 lol Dec 02 09:32:48 ooooohhh Dec 02 09:32:53 I think I never had the wsod Dec 02 09:33:08 you are lucky Dec 02 09:37:04 tropical country, never cold enough heh Dec 02 09:37:12 hehe Dec 02 09:37:15 try the fridge Dec 02 09:38:09 i have to go, bye Dec 02 09:59:53 DocScrutinizer2: hey there Dec 02 10:00:08 moimoin Dec 02 10:02:37 *yawn* Dec 02 10:09:53 hello friends, im using neo for the first time Dec 02 10:10:31 i have installed agpsui and gone in open place i get reception... Dec 02 10:11:26 wat is libubx used for ? how can i get agps services? Dec 02 10:11:58 what distro are you useing Dec 02 10:14:37 it was 20007.2 upgraded to 2008.8 Dec 02 10:45:11 morning Dec 02 10:48:35 morning Dec 02 10:50:08 Hey methril and mickey|ICxyz Dec 02 10:50:11 mickey|ICxyz: feeling better? Dec 02 10:50:22 not really Dec 02 10:50:25 Heh Dec 02 10:50:26 are you ill? Dec 02 10:50:35 Dec 02 10:50:38 mickey|ICxyz: You're contagious even from the distance by the way Dec 02 10:50:44 I'm expected to attend a conference though Dec 02 10:50:48 just a cold Dec 02 10:50:50 heh Dec 02 10:50:53 mickey|ICxyz: I spent all the week end trying to prevent myself to bang my head on the wall Dec 02 10:50:53 got infected? Dec 02 10:50:58 Big headache Dec 02 10:51:04 ouch Dec 02 10:51:10 get well soon Dec 02 10:51:20 Well, feeling better now Dec 02 10:51:26 Although my medical supplies are growing short Dec 02 10:51:36 i don't want to get infected, i'm going to start my honeymoon :D Dec 02 10:51:38 Can't be named Bob Arctor anymore Dec 02 10:52:00 Well, going to eat Dec 02 10:52:04 See you guys Dec 02 10:52:23 see you Dec 02 10:53:30 methril: sounds like fun. Dec 02 10:53:30 mickey|ICxyz: don't you have a debugboard for Ainu? maybe a second phone? Dec 02 10:53:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r20a413624549 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: connection sharing now works Dec 02 10:53:55 mickey|ICxyz: yes, i hope Dec 02 10:54:32 DocScrutinizer2: what is Ainu? Dec 02 10:54:34 oh, you mean Ainulindale ? Dec 02 10:54:40 yup Dec 02 10:55:08 he's testing whole SHR on his everyday phone Dec 02 10:55:40 i don't have any phones atm. laf0rge has one that emits the WSOD, i don't think he needs it any longer Dec 02 10:55:40 Ainulindale: you want a debug board? Dec 02 10:55:54 Wolfgang doesn't find the right OM SOP to help ainu out Dec 02 10:56:53 I can't do anything until back in D Dec 02 10:57:10 laf0rge shall send him the wsod one Dec 02 10:57:24 (except pestering Wolfgang ;-) Dec 02 10:57:38 pestering wolfgang is always good Dec 02 10:57:43 lol Dec 02 10:57:45 *cough* Dec 02 10:57:45 ;) Dec 02 10:58:22 (wsod) yup, should work when kept warm Dec 02 10:58:32 XD Dec 02 10:58:52 seems you should keep warm as well Dec 02 10:59:57 take care of yourself! get well soon :) Dec 02 11:02:26 mickey|ICxyz: btw, you can have a look at a X200s next time we meet now :) Dec 02 11:03:37 mickey|ICxyz: Perhaps we even have some sort of support for the build in HSPA modem and GPS until then Dec 02 11:03:45 stefan_schmidt_: what's X200s? Dec 02 11:04:00 DocScrutinizer2: Lenovo Thinkpad X200s Dec 02 11:04:06 ahh Dec 02 11:04:14 DocScrutinizer2: My new mobile workstation Dec 02 11:04:23 :) Dec 02 11:04:31 Ony 1,4kg and full of goodies and performance :) Dec 02 11:05:09 sounds nice Dec 02 11:05:24 decent screen? Dec 02 11:05:25 DocScrutinizer2: It is. I like it. Dec 02 11:05:36 DocScrutinizer2: 12,1" 1280x800 Dec 02 11:05:41 non-glare type Dec 02 11:05:44 sure Dec 02 11:05:54 never would get a glare one Dec 02 11:06:03 same here Dec 02 11:06:28 gasheads :-/ Dec 02 11:07:00 if I need a mirror, I won't use my laptop for that Dec 02 11:07:05 heh Dec 02 11:07:37 stefan_schmidt_: did you already get your 200s? Dec 02 11:07:45 mickey|ICxyz: yeah, writing from it Dec 02 11:07:58 wow Dec 02 11:08:00 congrats Dec 02 11:08:01 mickey|ICxyz: Ordered last thursday and got it on friday :) Dec 02 11:08:03 early christmas present Dec 02 11:08:07 how is it? Dec 02 11:08:17 mickey|ICxyz: I had to choose the one with smaller resolution thought Dec 02 11:08:24 mickey|ICxyz: It's great Dec 02 11:08:28 really? the other one not in .de? Dec 02 11:09:00 mickey|ICxyz: They told Daniel that they would have to order them which takes 6 weeks Dec 02 11:09:05 * mickey|ICxyz envious Dec 02 11:09:11 eeks, that Dec 02 11:09:12 long Dec 02 11:09:16 mickey|ICxyz: yeah Dec 02 11:09:23 So I decided for this one. Dec 02 11:09:55 what's the other resolution? Dec 02 11:09:56 Feels really great, slick, light, performant, full of goodies Dec 02 11:10:03 DocScrutinizer2: 1440x900 Dec 02 11:10:04 great Dec 02 11:10:08 can't wait to see Dec 02 11:10:18 how many ¤¤? Dec 02 11:10:24 expensive? Dec 02 11:10:29 mickey|ICxyz: Sure, next time we meet Dec 02 11:10:34 methril: 1600€ Dec 02 11:10:37 ok, know my xmas gift now Dec 02 11:10:50 methril: But I need to get a 9cell battery and a second charger as well Dec 02 11:10:58 DocScrutinizer2: heh Dec 02 11:11:12 f methril: Not cheap, but as my working machine using everyday it's ok Dec 02 11:11:41 stefan_schmidt_: and the cpu is nice? powerfull? Dec 02 11:11:44 where to order? Dec 02 11:12:00 methril: it is. makes fun :) Dec 02 11:12:25 full linux supported btw? Dec 02 11:12:26 DocScrutinizer2: I got mine from notebook-shop.de Dec 02 11:12:38 DocScrutinizer2: So far yes Dec 02 11:12:53 DocScrutinizer2: Mostöly intel chips, so that's good Dec 02 11:13:04 decent graphics driver. suspend modes? Dec 02 11:13:10 DocScrutinizer2: I still have a small problem with resume, but that's all Dec 02 11:13:24 DocScrutinizer2: Graphics is intel 4500 Dec 02 11:13:46 DocScrutinizer2: Resume does not enable backlight again. Machine is alive. Dec 02 11:13:55 so X got support for it? Dec 02 11:14:09 DocScrutinizer2: Sure, out of the box. Dec 02 11:14:17 (4500) Dec 02 11:14:32 DocScrutinizer2: Debian pxe install with full disk crypt and lvm on crypt worked well Dec 02 11:14:44 ok, I'll try to get one :-) Dec 02 11:14:55 DocScrutinizer2: heh Dec 02 11:15:02 DocScrutinizer2: Fats on decisions :) Dec 02 11:15:25 DocScrutinizer2: alphaone just waits if he get the one with higher res. Dec 02 11:15:47 annoying fuji-siemens crap. need a new one anyway Dec 02 11:16:21 yeah, I'd aslo like the higer res screen Dec 02 11:16:23 DocScrutinizer2: I took this model Dec 02 11:16:24 http://www.notebook.de/lenovo-thinkpad-x200s-mit-intel-core-2-duo-sl9400-186-ghz-umts-p-16640/ Dec 02 11:16:35 DocScrutinizer2: Then you would have to wait. Dec 02 11:16:37 stefan_schmidt_: bought some lenovo stock shares ? ;) Dec 02 11:16:45 hmm, let's see(N810) Dec 02 11:16:46 methril: heh, no. Dec 02 11:17:06 methril: It's my third thinkpad now and I was always pleased so staying there Dec 02 11:17:24 was a joke :D Dec 02 11:17:44 DocScrutinizer2: If you like to get GPS you need to get the one with UMTS. It's on one card Dec 02 11:17:50 methril: got it Dec 02 11:19:05 ok, lets cram it with nice geeky gadgets Dec 02 11:20:02 actually UMTS is a nice feature. GPS, well... for a laptop Dec 02 11:20:16 good for testing frameworkd ;) Dec 02 11:20:26 hehehe Dec 02 11:20:40 mickey|ICxyz: same thinking Dec 02 11:20:53 mickey|ICxyz wants to improve FSO :D Dec 02 11:21:24 if he found a device with GPS, GSM/UMTS or other phone features Dec 02 11:21:33 has to have a port :D Dec 02 11:21:37 * DocScrutinizer2 wonders whether umts will play on linux Dec 02 11:21:59 actually i think the one with 1200x800 is better for me as well Dec 02 11:21:59 the 1440 might be challenging for my eyesight Dec 02 11:22:20 DocScrutinizer2: Works. Already used here Dec 02 11:22:37 DocScrutinizer2: It's just some usb-serial devices where you speek AT Dec 02 11:22:55 DocScrutinizer2: Same for GPS. Enable via some AT commands and then get NMEA Dec 02 11:23:05 it's like some usb-sticks with 3G support then? Dec 02 11:23:08 mickey|ICxyz: heh, good reason Dec 02 11:23:21 methril: more or less. Dec 02 11:23:32 duh, via AT?! Dec 02 11:23:38 methril: Pretty common setup. Was the same for my pcmcia umts card Dec 02 11:23:54 DocScrutinizer2: only configure. NMEA comes as stream directly Dec 02 11:24:33 hehe, quite proprietary FW ;-) Dec 02 11:24:50 yup Dec 02 11:25:18 But as long as I get NMEA on a char device it's fine Dec 02 11:25:27 can powerdown gsm while using gps? Dec 02 11:28:43 stefan_schmidt_: btw (strem directly) different muxer channel then? Dec 02 11:29:18 err, dedicated muxer channel? Dec 02 11:29:53 DocScrutinizer2: yes, you get three channel. All have the full AT set. Once you enable GPS on one it only spites out nmea and is not useable as at channel anymore Dec 02 11:30:00 Have to disable it on another channel Dec 02 11:30:15 rhat's ok Dec 02 11:30:22 that Dec 02 11:31:29 Have to run. Lunch Dec 02 11:31:31 later Dec 02 11:31:40 enjoy! Dec 02 11:31:53 cu stefan Dec 02 11:32:03 cu Dec 02 11:33:20 re Dec 02 11:33:24 DocScrutinizer2, mickey|ICxyz Dec 02 11:33:34 Right now, I'm wondering the use I would have of a debug board Dec 02 11:33:40 Didn't quite figure out what its use was =) Dec 02 11:34:02 if you're not kernel or u-boot developing I don't see any use Dec 02 11:34:08 Then no use for me Dec 02 11:34:14 well, serial console might be nice for bootstrapping new init Dec 02 11:34:16 But anyway, as told before I'm not in a hurry Dec 02 11:34:33 Though having other device(s) would be reaaally useful when we'll release Dec 02 11:34:42 As I can't truly test unstable/testing at the same time Dec 02 11:34:53 And even now, I can't test GTA01 Dec 02 11:34:58 That's a hassle Dec 02 11:35:12 gta01 are raaare Dec 02 11:35:24 hard to find any Dec 02 11:35:31 I bet they are Dec 02 11:37:51 well, I leave for dinner now... Dec 02 11:38:15 bye Dec 02 11:38:18 Have a nice dinner then Dec 02 11:38:35 mickey|ICxyz: how come you're not in bed? Dec 02 11:40:46 some months ago I promised to hold a talk in Leipzig Dec 02 11:40:52 not knowing i would be sick then Dec 02 11:41:16 Too bad for you :-) Dec 02 11:41:26 yea Dec 02 11:41:39 i mean of course i would cancel it if i had fever or something Dec 02 11:41:47 :-) Dec 02 11:41:53 Got hold of abraxa yet by the way? Dec 02 11:42:08 can't this virus respect your callendar? ;-) Dec 02 11:42:12 I thought you told us you'll see him this week or the previous week Dec 02 11:42:13 got a mail, need to schedule a meeting when i'm back Dec 02 11:42:15 DocScrutinizer2: hehe Dec 02 11:42:18 Good! Dec 02 11:43:16 Here I'm waiting eagerly for quickdev's commits Dec 02 11:43:23 He should commit more often Dec 02 11:43:56 i want to talk with raster Dec 02 11:44:18 because i want to reorganize the illume cfg Dec 02 11:45:33 Hire: still working on that? :-) Dec 02 11:45:39 You should take smaller steps you know :-) Dec 02 11:46:24 Ainulindale: i want to commit my works Dec 02 11:46:46 and i want to know how is going the revamp of quickdev on shr apps ... Dec 02 11:46:48 can someone check whether +CMUT works? Dec 02 11:46:52 glad to hear that Dec 02 11:46:53 you need to have an ongoing call for that Dec 02 11:46:58 mickey|ICxyz: how should one do that? Dec 02 11:47:28 Ainulindale: you can run cli-framework, launch a call, and then Dec 02 11:47:34 why do u want to reorganise illume cfg? Dec 02 11:47:37 debug.DebugCommand("AT+CMUT=1\r\n") Dec 02 11:47:57 and check whether that mutes your voice Dec 02 11:47:57 debug.DebugCommand("AT+CMUT=0\r\n") Dec 02 11:47:57 should unmute it Dec 02 11:48:13 s/voice/microphone/ Dec 02 11:48:44 mute == put_on_hold? Dec 02 11:48:52 mickey|ICxyz: with latest frameworkd? Dec 02 11:49:07 I think I have a version three or four days old Dec 02 11:49:14 Ainulindale: doesn't need to be latest Dec 02 11:49:18 that's ok Dec 02 11:50:43 Ok then I'll do that as soon as my colleague will give me back my USB cable Dec 02 11:54:33 cool, thansk Dec 02 11:59:07 someone has stolen you usb cable? Dec 02 11:59:17 your Dec 02 11:59:20 No, no, I lend it to someone Dec 02 11:59:33 mickey|ICxyz: so it seems you're making progress with the GTA03? :-) Dec 02 12:00:04 raster: because i find categories some categories that does the same thing :) Dec 02 12:00:11 as display and screen Dec 02 12:00:23 or settings and avdavanced Dec 02 12:00:38 advanced Dec 02 12:01:24 and i want to remove or/and remove some options Dec 02 12:01:26 can't say 03, really Dec 02 12:01:27 but i have a development board for the modem Dec 02 12:01:27 which works fine Dec 02 12:01:29 need to check some higher baudrates, but for now it's good Dec 02 12:01:48 because i find some categories that does the same thing Dec 02 12:01:53 argh, copy/paste Dec 02 12:02:13 mickey|ICxyz: good to know, can't wait to put my hands on one of them :-) Dec 02 12:02:37 Hire: oh that Dec 02 12:02:43 that is being cleaned up Dec 02 12:02:58 display is inherited from illumes own config dialogs that re-implemented some of e's own config Dec 02 12:02:59 (told you Hire to stop focusing on that :-p) Dec 02 12:03:02 in a simpler form Dec 02 12:03:07 those will likely go or be simplified Dec 02 12:03:17 e's core config is being fixed to be better for illume Dec 02 12:03:20 so it doesn tneed to rpelace it Dec 02 12:03:56 if u've noticed that e is merging in things illume did on its own Dec 02 12:04:03 improving the core so illume doesnt need to re-do them Dec 02 12:04:13 this is being done (slowly) Dec 02 12:04:19 DocScrutinizer2: jörg, can you check whether they have a votronic handset in .tw? I guess one was delivered with the DSB75 which i took, but they forgot to give me the handset Dec 02 12:04:24 I see Dec 02 12:05:12 yup, I'll ask. But >whom<... ? Dec 02 12:05:43 DocScrutinizer: teeny or tony Dec 02 12:05:43 it's a dumb headset with a western jack that goes into the DSB Dec 02 12:05:53 err Dec 02 12:05:54 handset Dec 02 12:05:55 not headset Dec 02 12:06:31 mrmoku: piiiiiing Dec 02 12:06:44 i can buy one here Dec 02 12:07:07 but if they already have it somewhere Dec 02 12:07:10 Oh mickey|ICxyz if you have an idea about one of my current woes Dec 02 12:07:13 i might as well wait Dec 02 12:07:24 I'm trying to setup a good OE env to be able to take sources from a local repo Dec 02 12:07:27 Ainulindale: which is Dec 02 12:07:31 No idea how I should do that Dec 02 12:07:35 (wrt SRCREV) Dec 02 12:07:55 As currently PR includes SRCREV Dec 02 12:08:02 so if we modify SRC_URI Dec 02 12:08:09 We have to modify all the bb files Dec 02 12:08:11 Which is a pain Dec 02 12:08:17 patch bitbake to ignore that and always recheckout Dec 02 12:08:33 Well, that's a pain :-) Dec 02 12:08:46 But I guess that's because there's no other way then Dec 02 12:08:55 then, use a prefix variable Dec 02 12:08:56 like Dec 02 12:08:56 SHR_REPOSITRY Dec 02 12:08:56 and then you can change that to point to a file:// URI Dec 02 12:09:06 That's what we did Dec 02 12:09:24 Ainulindale: oh.. and i think i massively fixed exquisite - boot seems much faster :) Dec 02 12:09:37 cool raster Dec 02 12:09:49 raster: I'll try it then, thanks Dec 02 12:09:56 changes are in svn Dec 02 12:10:06 but i havent regenerated my patchset yet Dec 02 12:10:19 Yeah, I'll bump EFL_SRCREV one of these days Dec 02 12:10:27 Though for now, I won't do it Dec 02 12:10:33 Until you tell me it's good to do so Dec 02 12:10:48 yeah Dec 02 12:11:02 just know that upstream has listened and looked into the problem Dec 02 12:11:09 so its "in the pipeline" Dec 02 12:11:28 (exquisite you mean?) Dec 02 12:11:32 yes Dec 02 12:11:49 ehm... Dec 02 12:11:57 the splashscreen Dec 02 12:13:07 mickey|ICxyz: Marec just arrived, doesn't know anything of handset. I'll ask Tony and Teeny Dec 02 12:19:13 DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks. according to the dsb brochure it comes with every board, but who knows... Dec 02 12:19:14 it's their reference handset for measuring audoi quality Dec 02 12:42:21 mickey|ICxyz: got my usb cable back, will tell you Dec 02 12:42:26 mickey|ICxyz: is it working with incoming calls too? Dec 02 12:45:08 yes, any call should do Dec 02 12:45:17 it should just mute/unmute the mic Dec 02 12:45:17 [if implemented] Dec 02 12:48:25 mickey|ICxyz: debug not defined Dec 02 12:51:09 try gsm.DebugCommand("...") Dec 02 12:52:00 working fine Dec 02 12:52:09 I.e. CMUT=0 = bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Dec 02 12:52:16 CMUT = 1 = "....." Dec 02 12:54:33 morphis? Dec 02 12:55:00 ok, thanks. You still hear the other party in any case? Dec 02 12:55:10 I can retry Dec 02 12:55:50 yep Dec 02 12:55:59 Though my colleagues now think I'm a weirdo Dec 02 12:56:05 ok, pretty good. thanks Dec 02 12:56:05 hahah Dec 02 12:56:07 :) Dec 02 13:01:35 (anyway they already thought I'm a weirdo) Dec 02 13:01:49 (I have linux on my phone after all) Dec 02 13:06:25 :) Dec 02 13:06:27 indeed Dec 02 13:07:36 well anyway I never been so busy since I started this whole SHR thing Dec 02 13:08:00 The good kind of business Dec 02 13:10:16 i can imagine Dec 02 13:11:42 Learned a lot, still learning, quite a good experiencce indeed Dec 02 13:12:19 SHR users are happy too ;) Dec 02 13:12:23 mickey|ICxyz: by the way I was wondering Dec 02 13:12:25 CM_work: heh :-) Dec 02 13:12:42 mickey|ICxyz: How come you didn't set up something to remove t he tasks from the asyncworker queue after you're sure they're launched? Dec 02 13:12:46 (be back soon, smoke break) Dec 02 13:14:32 mickey|ICxyz, hi, evening...the python stuff works now..i was able to set up DBus objects contained in python scripts...of course, it needs to be bit refined..but startup time has been greatly reduced Dec 02 13:15:17 good job Dec 02 13:15:52 i have started working on system tests Dec 02 13:16:46 i need to have full subsystem test coverage before we actually can think about substituting Dec 02 13:16:46 a py-subsystem with a vala one Dec 02 13:16:46 so our clients won't get surprises wrt. different behaviour Dec 02 13:17:25 mickey|ICxyz, onetworkd and otimed are the two subsystems that has been ported over...since the others depend on some helpers, i have to copy over the patterns..etc and just make sure they go into the site-packages Dec 02 13:17:49 mickey|ICxyz, right, i understand...playya has been helping me...:) Dec 02 13:20:23 Sup3rkiddo: Pity you didn't get the info about the mainloop in #dbus Dec 02 13:20:44 I fiddled with it quite a long time myself before figuring out what was the problem Dec 02 13:21:03 mickey|ICxyz: Is there any documentation on UMAF yet? (and what about my former question?) Dec 02 13:21:18 (Former question related to the oeventsd/gst race) Dec 02 13:21:46 Ainulindale, yeah :(. and i would have been pondering for eternity if it werent for the hint you gave me Dec 02 13:21:56 In fact I was wondering if the whole model wasn't done a bit weirdly for oeventsd events Dec 02 13:22:11 I think it'd be nice if we could substitute state machines to logical chaining of events Dec 02 13:22:21 (e.g. ring when incoming, stop ringing when release) Dec 02 13:22:48 Sup3rkiddo: Yeah, that's me, you can't see my cape from India, but my awesome super powers are there nonetheless :-p Dec 02 13:23:22 Ainulindale, bleh..that was lame Dec 02 13:23:27 heh :-) Dec 02 13:25:04 In fact regarding these state machines, it could be great if the user was able to pre-build some through a configuration file, and use them as events actions Dec 02 13:25:14 Such as qr/a/b/ in perl if you see what I mean Dec 02 13:25:19 (precompiled regexps) Dec 02 13:25:41 I'm not even sure this is hard to implement Dec 02 13:26:00 Ainulindale: i don't know what you mean. q.get() removes a task out of queue Dec 02 13:26:11 Ainulindale: (umaf) all the docs are in the fso wiki atm. Dec 02 13:26:18 mickey|ICxyz: I mean that if you fire two contradictory actions in a row Dec 02 13:26:29 There's a good chance that the second one will end before the first one even started Dec 02 13:26:33 i.e. gst play, gst stop Dec 02 13:26:41 But I may have misunderstood the principle Dec 02 13:27:10 well, asyncworker per se has no idea about semantics of actions Dec 02 13:27:18 such a check would have to be imlemented at the actual task consumers Dec 02 13:27:53 That's why I thought that associating some businness logic to the tasks could be useful Dec 02 13:28:01 I.e. making a state machine out of an actual task Dec 02 13:28:09 Because this is what this kind of action is, to me Dec 02 13:28:31 When we say "Ring and vibrate until call is released or activated" Dec 02 13:28:37 hmm Dec 02 13:28:41 we're still talking about asnycworker? Dec 02 13:28:42 This is a state machine, IMHO Dec 02 13:28:46 or oeventd now? Dec 02 13:28:51 WEll Dec 02 13:29:11 I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, sorry :-) Dec 02 13:29:23 As asyncworker will launch the tasks no matter what Dec 02 13:29:42 And as we're bound to have some delay between the actual launch of the task and the result of the action Dec 02 13:30:08 There should be a way to ensure that the action was actually launched Dec 02 13:30:17 For gstreamer, this is when we're sure than it's playing Dec 02 13:30:30 And as the "stop" action depends on the play action Dec 02 13:30:40 My idea was to build state machines out of such actions Dec 02 13:31:17 Because if for one reason or another something goes wrong, as we saw it did Dec 02 13:31:35 It'll result in some actions not handled as they should be Dec 02 13:32:00 i guess i know what you mean, need to think about that Dec 02 13:32:05 arriving soon Dec 02 13:32:10 packing my things Dec 02 13:32:11 l8er Dec 02 13:32:29 mickey|ICxyz: later, good luck :-) Dec 02 13:32:52 thanks. lets see whether i have wlan in the hotel Dec 02 13:32:57 if not, i have good'ole neo-gprs as fallback Dec 02 13:56:06 mrmoku: still not here? Dec 02 14:07:50 * mrmoku was also attacked by a virus Dec 02 14:08:29 Ainulindale: hi, I'm here but not yet fully operational :( Dec 02 14:08:33 hmm Dec 02 14:10:06 hello o/ Dec 02 14:10:32 mrmoku: keep me in touch for the fastboot things Dec 02 14:11:14 Ainulindale: after solving that qemu-native thing I rebuilt another image Dec 02 14:11:22 Ainulindale: can we have timidity on shr? Dec 02 14:11:28 which still was wrong (no locales in e and other stuff strange) Dec 02 14:11:36 a21_work: Yes we can! Yes we can! Dec 02 14:11:38 (or any other thing to play midis) Dec 02 14:11:42 * Ainulindale agitates a flag Dec 02 14:11:44 so I removed tmp and started a rebuild Dec 02 14:11:50 a21_work: will check Dec 02 14:11:57 mrmoku: ok :-) Dec 02 14:11:59 Ainulindale: what about "Enna"? Dec 02 14:12:01 ok, tnx u :) Dec 02 14:12:10 (E17 - media-player) Dec 02 14:14:07 a21_work: no timidity available Dec 02 14:14:08 richy: checking Dec 02 14:14:30 there is an directory in openmoko - git Dec 02 14:14:33 http://git.openmoko.org/git/openmoko.git/packages/e17/enna/ Dec 02 14:14:37 but it's emtpy Dec 02 14:14:43 for some reason Dec 02 14:14:52 richy: does enna play midis? Dec 02 14:15:20 richy: it's building right now Dec 02 14:15:34 is it configurable as an alsa backend? because I'd like to use .mid as ring tones Dec 02 14:15:39 Ainulindale: wow, that's fast Dec 02 14:15:45 Yeah, I'm bored Dec 02 14:16:06 And by the way a21_work Dec 02 14:16:13 If there's no bb recipe for timidity Dec 02 14:16:15 You could build one Dec 02 14:17:23 ah ok... I'll do that... can you point me to the starting point making a bb recipe? Dec 02 14:17:59 I think this would be nice: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/Three_Steps_to_MIDI_on_Linux Dec 02 14:19:51 a21_work: well check the openembedded wiki Dec 02 14:20:31 ah ok... will be compatible with shr too? Dec 02 14:21:49 Indeed Dec 02 14:23:06 I've to follow this man? -> http://bitbake.berlios.de/manual/ Dec 02 14:24:38 fine, I want to learn and help developing shr Dec 02 14:26:59 Hello a21 Dec 02 14:32:31 hello Dave \o Dec 02 14:33:32 o/ Dec 02 14:35:04 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rd3cf8ca82d26 10/fsod/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Dec 02 14:35:04 freesmartphone.org: 1.) Fix build errors when compiling with vala 0.5.2 (Thanks playya) Dec 02 14:35:04 freesmartphone.org: 2.) Remove vapi/fsod.gidl Dec 02 14:44:26 d'oh, 7.5EUR for one hour internet. Am I glad I didn't forget my Neo Dec 02 14:48:22 7.5euro???? you must beinb Belgium :p Dec 02 14:50:45 hehe Dec 02 14:50:48 no, still in germany Dec 02 14:50:54 in a high class hotel even Dec 02 14:50:59 * mickey|leipzig shakes head Dec 02 14:51:43 high class hotel... and it does not offer wifi for free?? Dec 02 14:51:49 Is there a reason we haven't had shr updates in days? Dec 02 14:51:55 Ainulindale, you taking a break? :) Dec 02 14:52:10 a21_work: unbelievable, i know, but it's true Dec 02 14:52:13 Ainulindale has become a zombie Dec 02 14:52:19 zombies don't commit code! Dec 02 14:52:22 no, Dave ... shr is now stable ;) Dec 02 14:52:24 ~lart Westin Leipzig Dec 02 14:53:11 a21_work: iihh stable Dec 02 14:53:20 who likes stable softwrae Dec 02 14:53:30 *software Dec 02 14:53:36 anyway... I'm (almost) very satisfied with todays shr distro Dec 02 14:53:59 you serious a21_work? Dec 02 14:54:04 ...compared to other distros Dec 02 14:54:06 Dave: that's because we're waiting for some code Dec 02 14:54:14 hooray for code Dec 02 14:54:15 shr Ru13Z Dec 02 14:54:22 a21_work: why almost? Dec 02 14:54:26 hmm /me not: I am now affected by the screen blanks with no reason bug too (since I messed with display brightness) Dec 02 14:54:27 anyways, i can't reach bearstech.com so it wouldn't help me if there were updates... Dec 02 14:54:32 Ainulindale: will the spanner re-appear? Dec 02 14:54:58 Ainulindale: what code are you waiting for Dec 02 14:55:00 because I need to be able writing sms from the addressbook without write the phone number manually :D Dec 02 14:55:16 Ainulindale Alright :) Dec 02 14:55:45 a21_work: same problem here Dec 02 14:56:23 nobody bothers with the fact it eats your sms'es? Dec 02 14:56:24 so I'm waiting for #159 to be closed ;) Dec 02 14:57:13 Zorkman: it already did Dec 02 14:57:15 Zorkman: as I don't write many sms when I use the freerunner, I receive less and it hasn't eaten a sms yet Dec 02 14:57:23 Zorkman: I fixed that a week ago Dec 02 14:57:38 Zorkman: it doesn't eat your SMSes Dec 02 14:57:59 Zorkman: it won't download a SMS if your SIM is full, removing them will give these SMS back Dec 02 14:58:39 Ainulindale: one time it received only half of the sms.. didn't investigate it further.. Dec 02 14:58:41 ooh yeah!! I must ticket a bug: if ur sms storage is full ur not warned! Dec 02 14:58:50 a21_work: and it would be nice if there wasn't this write your sms here text Dec 02 14:58:58 a21_work: yes you are Dec 02 14:59:07 a21_work: you're warned Dec 02 14:59:08 bumbl: I second that :-) Dec 02 14:59:16 There's already a message Dec 02 14:59:25 If SIM is full there's a warning as soon as it is Dec 02 14:59:48 uh? sure Ainulindale ? Dec 02 15:00:00 Yeah, pretty sure Dec 02 15:00:07 I wasn't warned about my sim full status Dec 02 15:00:17 (50 sms here) Dec 02 15:00:22 30 here, and I'm warned Dec 02 15:00:40 If it's full now, try to kill ophonekid and restart it Dec 02 15:00:42 Ainulindale: no it doesnt Dec 02 15:00:46 mhh.. ok, I'll try again to be full of sms Dec 02 15:00:52 Zorkman: yes it does Dec 02 15:01:09 sometimes i get the screen "incomming sms" (even when i have no sms sent or received since i last cleaned my sim) and the message does not appear Dec 02 15:01:20 That's not because it eats your SMS Dec 02 15:01:24 That's a window management problem Dec 02 15:01:25 then after a reboot i can sometimes recieve sms'es again Dec 02 15:01:27 Your SMS is still here Dec 02 15:01:30 withough having to delete something Dec 02 15:01:47 As I just told Dec 02 15:01:48 when i put it in another phone, the first sms is visible, and i have only used 3/20 sms slots Dec 02 15:01:55 hmm I am tempted to get 6gb hsdpa for 9€/month Dec 02 15:01:55 That's mainly because quickdev borked the window management Dec 02 15:01:58 yeah but it's not because my sim memory is full Dec 02 15:01:59 He's fixing that at the moment Dec 02 15:02:08 Zorkman: Yeah but it doesn't eat your SMS nonetheless =) Dec 02 15:02:19 it eats it and stores it in it's stomach :p Dec 02 15:02:29 only putting it in another phone makes it puke :D Dec 02 15:02:31 wait wait... I was 50 (full) and when I deleted a sms I got a new one, so 50 sms again stored... but no warnings Dec 02 15:02:39 anyway, it's stilkl my favourite distribution Dec 02 15:02:47 just not fully usable to me as a daily phone Dec 02 15:02:52 a21_work: the warning may be in the background Dec 02 15:03:02 AS told, there's an issue with window management Dec 02 15:03:13 quickdev is fixing that Dec 02 15:03:14 oh... I'll check more accurately next time Dec 02 15:03:24 a21_work: well, pastebin me the logs Dec 02 15:03:32 ophonekitd and last 100 lines of frameworkd Dec 02 15:03:37 k Dec 02 15:03:40 And I'll tell you if it's in the background =) Dec 02 15:03:58 fine :) Dec 02 15:05:17 http://www.amazon.fr/gp/offer-listing/B00004ZEU5/ref=dp_olp_0/278-2617406-1682966?ie=UTF8&qid=1228230283&sr=1-2&condition=all <= I WANT THAT Dec 02 15:06:47 hmm monty python ... some sketches are really fun but most are boring Dec 02 15:07:22 bumbl: I'm going to kill you. Dec 02 15:08:33 * bumbl runs Dec 02 15:09:35 *richy gives bumble a hide out Dec 02 15:12:05 thank you richy Dec 02 15:12:22 but I liked their action to put their stuff on youtube Dec 02 15:23:57 Ainulindale: I know I'm ripetitive and boring... but ... do u know somethink about quickdev tasks status? Dec 02 15:24:09 s/k/g/ Dec 02 15:24:22 :) Dec 02 15:26:49 He's near the end Dec 02 15:27:26 Near the end of his line? Dec 02 15:28:33 mickey, you awake? Dec 02 15:28:37 Ask him, don't ask me =) Dec 02 15:28:47 I think he should commit more often and set the SRCREV instead of keeping it all locally Dec 02 15:37:06 Ainulindale, Would you mind being nice, and: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/260 Dec 02 15:37:19 And what? Dec 02 15:37:25 formatting that code, and comit against trunk Dec 02 15:37:40 It's not my job Dec 02 15:37:44 Darn. Dec 02 15:37:48 What are you anyways? Dec 02 15:37:49 Mickey has to review that =) Dec 02 15:38:02 We need to clone mickey Dec 02 15:38:04 Let me review the patch later Dec 02 15:38:24 If it's not doing much I'll take the responsability of enduring mickeyl's wrath :-) Dec 02 15:38:28 Right now the killall function doesn't work at all; it causes the code to crash. Dec 02 15:38:36 Ainulindale, you can verify that if you want :-) Dec 02 15:40:55 err, excuse me, it doesn't cause the code to crash, but it doesn't work Dec 02 15:40:59 something else is crashing. Dec 02 15:41:28 hy everybody Dec 02 15:42:32 I am trying to get qemu to run openmoko. The documentation seems to be old. As the download.sh script downloads nothing when I do not change it by hand Dec 02 15:44:12 download_dir="http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing". would that be right? Dec 02 15:44:24 Thats in the env file Dec 02 15:45:12 what has it pointed to before? Dec 02 15:45:50 anyway, qemu is not that well maintained afaik as everyone has a freerunner Dec 02 15:46:57 I get that far as I do the the boot menu. But when I then say, "but that stuff" it just reboots Dec 02 15:47:24 I cannot remember what it once was ^^ Dec 02 15:47:31 Changed it a lot Dec 02 15:51:46 just checked out the svn anew. it was: download_dir="http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/" Dec 02 15:52:08 but then the wildcards do not fit Dec 02 15:52:15 kernel_wildcard="testing-om-gta01-*.uImage.bin" Dec 02 15:56:39 sorry. this one: rootfs_wildcard="testing-om-gta01-*.rootfs.jffs2" Dec 02 15:56:49 there is no such file Dec 02 15:57:07 Sargun: sorry but I don't feel comfortable applying this patch, either wait for mickey or ask stefan_schmidt_ or alphaone :-) Dec 02 16:00:17 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r450a65386f0e 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Dec 02 16:00:17 freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add InvalidState Exception when setting states or timeouts Dec 02 16:00:17 freesmartphone.org: 2.) Add SetTimeout method Dec 02 16:00:17 freesmartphone.org: 3.) Fix another build error in powercontrol Dec 02 16:18:55 the mokomakefile also produces an error. just says (after a while) "Kernel is... not found". Guess for the same reason Dec 02 16:52:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4fecf8d41e90 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py): Dec 02 16:52:16 freesmartphone.org: odeviced: Add two new resources: 'CPU' and 'Display': Dec 02 16:52:16 freesmartphone.org: Requesting the CPU resource will prevent the idle notifier from falling Dec 02 16:52:16 freesmartphone.org: into the 'suspend' state, requesting the Display resource will prevent Dec 02 16:52:18 freesmartphone.org: the idle notifier from falling into the 'idle_dim' (and following) state(s). Dec 02 16:52:20 freesmartphone.org: With these two resource, it now takes only one additional rule to prevent Dec 02 16:52:22 freesmartphone.org: the system from suspending while on a call or a musicplayer is playing. Dec 02 16:52:52 mickey: Ooooooh Dec 02 16:52:54 Shinyyyy Dec 02 16:52:58 ahhhh Dec 02 16:53:13 mickey: but what do you mean by rule? :-) Dec 02 16:53:16 i think that's the correct way to do it Dec 02 16:53:19 at least for now Dec 02 16:53:26 Ainulindale: rule or call Dec 02 16:53:31 mickey: well I agree with raster that framework <> display is something to talk about Dec 02 16:53:35 whatever launches RequestResource Dec 02 16:53:42 It bothers me that the frameworkd handles that Dec 02 16:53:53 mickey: well, how can one do this automagically? Dec 02 16:53:57 Will fso-gpsd handle that? Dec 02 16:54:13 if we express it as a rule Dec 02 16:54:16 we can do that Dec 02 16:54:25 You mean, listening to the resource status? Dec 02 16:54:32 e.g. Dec 02 16:54:38 many other ways possible Dec 02 16:54:43 but that comes to mind first Dec 02 16:54:50 Hmmmm Dec 02 16:54:55 What about low battery then? Dec 02 16:55:06 And lock? Dec 02 16:55:16 wait wait Dec 02 16:55:24 CPU doesn't care about lock Dec 02 16:55:28 On that I agree Dec 02 16:55:31 only about falling into suspend Dec 02 16:55:40 I was obviously talking about Display :-) Dec 02 16:55:47 if the battery is empty, it will shut down Dec 02 16:55:48 by rule Dec 02 16:56:05 display takes care about dimming and locking Dec 02 16:56:15 if you request it, that means "i want to look at that thing" Dec 02 16:56:19 "all the time" Dec 02 16:56:28 so be careful with that :) Dec 02 16:56:29 Then I fear I have to disagree a bit on that :-) Dec 02 16:56:43 One could want to be able to see the display Dec 02 16:56:50 But not to prevent locking Dec 02 16:57:13 *shrug* Dec 02 16:57:16 we can discuss that one Dec 02 16:57:25 Well Dec 02 16:57:28 nothing prevents us from adding another resource that expresses that behaviour Dec 02 16:57:31 Yep Dec 02 16:57:33 although it gets complicated then Dec 02 16:57:38 (that's what I was thinking about) Dec 02 16:57:42 we should check usecases beforehand Dec 02 16:57:46 this is only a start Dec 02 16:57:47 Though this locking thing is missing, truly missing Dec 02 16:58:08 yeah Dec 02 16:58:17 and we still don't have the X-specific plugin for the frameworkd Dec 02 16:58:20 I was wondering about trying to express a rule to launch zedlock Dec 02 16:58:29 I don't think this would be hard Dec 02 16:59:07 Sargun: I'll review that when i'm back in frankfurt (end of this week) Dec 02 16:59:17 now i need to grab some food and will stay in bed for the rest of today Dec 02 16:59:18 l8er Dec 02 16:59:24 mickey: will these change hit stab? Dec 02 16:59:26 +s Dec 02 16:59:46 (great addition anyway) Dec 02 16:59:49 no, that's too much. that's really new features Dec 02 16:59:57 so MS5? Dec 02 16:59:58 we'll branch again when it#s time for ms5 Dec 02 17:00:02 yep Dec 02 17:00:02 ok then Dec 02 17:02:08 alphaone: hey there Dec 02 17:02:17 Ainulindale: hi Dec 02 17:02:17 Is your paper progressing? =) Dec 02 17:02:27 Ainulindale: Yeah, it is :-) Dec 02 17:03:02 Hey, guys. I've made a small patch to the Zhone on nomeata's request but i'm afraid my post to the mailing list was overlooked. Whom should i ask about it? Dec 02 17:04:25 alphaone: good :-) Dec 02 17:04:36 PaulFertser: well Dec 02 17:04:42 PaulFertser: bump your mail :-) Dec 02 17:06:08 Ainulindale: i'm not used to that kind of thing. I'm afraid to be considered too impatient and to disrupt someone's work. ;) Dec 02 17:06:27 Well, when did you post your thing ? Dec 02 17:07:17 And, btw, (as i really can't wait ;) ) what about the gsm0710muxd bug i described recently? Should i wait for mickey for that one? Dec 02 17:07:32 Yep Dec 02 17:08:23 Ainulindale: Sat Nov 29 23:13:21 CET 2008 , it's basically here (list archiving software obviously doesn't like git patches as attachments): http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/smartphones-userland/2008-November/000663.html really small and not very important, but nomeata asked for it... Dec 02 17:08:42 well wait two days then bump it if you still have no answer Dec 02 17:09:13 Ainulindale: ok, thanks a lot :) Dec 02 17:09:22 You're welcome Dec 02 17:10:48 Hmm, qemu-native failed tonight when doing make image: cc1: out of memory allocating 323495040 bytes after a total of 19435520 bytes Dec 02 17:11:09 some memory-usage :-p Dec 02 17:11:31 heh Dec 02 17:12:10 I need more swap Dec 02 17:12:57 *retry without firefox running* Dec 02 17:13:38 mwl: try uncommenting EXTRA_OECONF += "--target-list=arm-linux-user,arm-softmmu,i386-softmmu" Dec 02 17:13:47 in qemu_svn.bb Dec 02 17:15:19 that could help, the failing target is actually sparc Dec 02 17:15:19 I'll retry now first without firefox running, that should give me 150MB more Dec 02 17:15:19 ERROR: '[]' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc-2.95' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables Dec 02 17:15:19 which package pulls that in? Dec 02 17:15:49 (I'm slowly going to work with SHR again :-) ) Dec 02 17:16:42 mw|: this error doesn't matter Dec 02 17:16:56 I know, it just bugs me that it pops up Dec 02 17:17:10 mw|: yep, sparc is failing for me too (though I was not patient enought to wait for OOM) Dec 02 17:17:31 setting EXTRA_OECONF helps - who needs sparc ;) Dec 02 17:18:07 (qemu-native should use SVN version instead of 0.9.1... 0.9.1 contains some annoying ARM bugs that are fixed) Dec 02 17:18:22 mrmoku: hehe Dec 02 17:22:27 It compiled now... cc1 peaked at 538MB of virtual memory, nasty :-) Dec 02 17:22:53 *back to waiting for make image to complete*.... time for dinner then Dec 02 17:26:45 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rddd95420cdf8 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/input/ (input.plugin input.vala): Use get_device(), and remove hardcoding Dec 02 17:28:01 how far is the frameworkd vala implementation? Dec 02 17:53:11 bumbl, hi...the Device subsystem is there mostly (except the audio) and python interface for loading existing subsystems..pretty redundant atm... Dec 02 17:53:28 PaulFertser, good day Dec 02 18:02:33 MarcOChapeau o/ Dec 02 18:02:47 When will you start to develop again? :-) Dec 02 18:05:40 Sup3rkiddo: good Dec 02 18:06:20 bumbl, the code is here http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=openmoko-gsoc2008.git;a=summary Dec 02 18:07:48 Ainulindale: I actually am... preparing to release laditools 1.0_rc1 Dec 02 18:08:05 Sargun, good evening :) Dec 02 18:16:07 MarcOChapeau: what is it? Dec 02 18:22:22 Ainulindale: a JACK server control/monitor software suite Dec 02 18:22:37 Ainulindale: makes heavy use of the new dbus API of JACK Dec 02 18:31:43 hey all. Dec 02 18:41:51 Sargun_Screen: I've been looking at your patch Dec 02 18:42:05 first, can you outline why my function doesn#t work? Dec 02 18:42:34 then, why is nameToFind a parameter to processIterator but not evaluated? Dec 02 18:43:07 last but not least, what do we need the three match types for? Dec 02 18:54:39 nevermind, fixed the problems and sent it to master Dec 02 18:55:04 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3b8acea05904 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/helpers.py: ogsmd: improve killall function, patch courtesy sdhillon. closes FSO ticket #260 Dec 02 18:57:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r4bc9d5ea4dd8 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/helpers.py: ogsmd: improve killall function, patch courtesy sdhillon. closes FSO ticket #260 Dec 02 18:58:50 and stab Dec 02 19:13:37 mickey|lepizig: uhm, you figured it out? Dec 02 19:14:42 I started manipulating your code, but then I think I ended up rewritin the code. Dec 02 19:17:59 your code doesn't work because it tries to match the whole path Dec 02 19:18:57 wouldn't an string.endswith have fixed this faster? Dec 02 19:21:53 uhm. but what if someone wants a weak match, or we're using a different separator Dec 02 19:22:10 there are a variety of corner cases. Dec 02 19:22:47 like test.gsm0710âmuxd would match Dec 02 19:23:49 hmm, ya Dec 02 19:25:14 I was having all sorts of issues with your implementation Dec 02 19:27:07 mickey|lepizig: your implementation is completely broken on debian for a fact. Dec 02 19:28:09 yeah yeah Dec 02 19:28:12 it's in now Dec 02 19:28:55 do you know if it's hit the repositories yet? Dec 02 19:29:06 sure Dec 02 19:29:11 CIAbot reported it already Dec 02 19:29:17 freesmartphone.org: mickey framework * r3b8acea05904 /framework/subsystems/ogsmd/helpers.py: ogsmd: improve killall function, patch courtesy sdhillon. closes FSO ticket #260 Dec 02 19:29:19 freesmartphone.org: mickey stabilization/milestone4 * r4bc9d5ea4dd8 framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/helpers.py: ogsmd: improve killall function, patch courtesy sdhillon. closes FSO ticket #260 Dec 02 19:29:34 ah, ok Dec 02 19:30:07 I meant the debian repostiories Dec 02 19:30:37 no idea Dec 02 19:30:38 unlikely Dec 02 19:30:43 since this is a couple of seconds ago Dec 02 19:30:53 and I'm not part of the debian team Dec 02 19:31:51 also, can you verify we're monitoring the pdp context by looking for the route in a syncronous manner? Dec 02 19:32:58 route monitoring will be changed soon to using kobject events Dec 02 19:33:02 anyone can provide documentation on their openocd setup with u-boot for the FR? Dec 02 19:33:50 kobject events? netlink? Dec 02 19:37:37 mickey|lepizig: I see that my dumb topic bothered you :-) Dec 02 19:37:57 heh, that was you? :) Dec 02 19:38:03 Sargun_Screen: yes Dec 02 19:38:12 Yeah, that day 10+ people asked me why numptyphysics didn't work Dec 02 19:38:22 I was a bit pissed by the neverending questions =) Dec 02 19:38:33 (Same as you when I start to ping you) Dec 02 19:38:41 :) Dec 02 19:39:38 mickey|lepizig: Did you have time to think about my suggestion or did you manage to busy yourself with your health? :-) Dec 02 19:39:49 (state machines actions) Dec 02 19:39:54 Ainulindale: the latter Dec 02 19:39:59 Good :-) Dec 02 19:40:09 state machine actions are complicated, that needs more time to wrap my head around Dec 02 19:40:21 atm. i can only do easy tasks Dec 02 19:40:28 like... applying patches... closing bugs in trac, etc. ;) Dec 02 19:40:38 Hmmm I don't find them that hard but maybe that's because I'm not that ill :-) Dec 02 19:42:05 ehi Ainulindale Dec 02 19:42:15 here numpty doesn't work ... Dec 02 19:42:19 :D Dec 02 19:42:24 * Ainulindale slaps Hire Dec 02 19:42:29 Hire: you're gonna get hit.... Dec 02 19:42:46 but why? :( I want to play with numpty Dec 02 19:42:47 told you... Dec 02 19:42:48 i love it Dec 02 19:43:10 RTFT Dec 02 19:43:12 :) Dec 02 19:43:18 i installed shr only for that ! Dec 02 19:43:40 That and for the naked pictures secretly hidden Dec 02 19:43:51 Hire: no, you installed it because of the cool factor Dec 02 19:44:05 Hire: don't be shy, say it Dec 02 19:46:06 the cool factor is very high Dec 02 19:46:20 and Ainulindale is my super hero Dec 02 19:46:30 Meh :-) Dec 02 19:46:34 but i know that Dec 02 19:46:45 Stop saying that, my ankles won't stop growing Dec 02 19:47:03 (Don't know if this french idiomatic expression makes sense in english or italian for that matter) Dec 02 19:50:01 mmm... Dec 02 19:50:34 it is a bit weird Dec 02 19:51:03 Hire: in french when you want to say someone's hubris is far too much developed, you say his ankles are growing Dec 02 19:51:15 "Tu as les chevilles qui enflent" Dec 02 19:51:20 (e.g.) Dec 02 19:54:17 * mrmoku starts thinking the build takes so long because of hide-naked-pictures.bb ;) Dec 02 19:54:42 hehe :-) Dec 02 19:58:34 ohh yes I see ainulindale Dec 02 19:58:47 but in italian doesn't exist an expression like that Dec 02 19:59:52 "Your mama looks like pasta" exists, though, I'm sure Dec 02 20:00:07 :| Dec 02 20:00:11 Heh :-) Dec 02 20:02:03 hahaha Dec 02 20:04:05 * Hire slaps Ainulindale with a baguette Dec 02 20:05:35 food fight Dec 02 20:06:40 * Hire strangles sicu with a german sauce Dec 02 20:07:18 instead of playing with food - work on your theme ;) Dec 02 20:07:32 sausage sorry Dec 02 20:07:51 sadly I am working with... my real work :( Dec 02 20:08:22 and however i want to reorganize illume cfg but raster is working on that too Dec 02 20:08:35 and i want the revamped apps from quickdev Dec 02 20:09:01 and i want some pasta Dec 02 20:09:47 hehe Dec 02 20:09:54 does anybody know an app to keep secrets? Dec 02 20:10:08 i want ... world domination;-) Dec 02 20:10:58 mrmoku: sure, an strongbox Dec 02 20:11:13 pasta as in the origianl sense of the word, not Ainulindale's reinterpretation Dec 02 20:11:28 mrmoku: desktop or neo Dec 02 20:11:33 sure Dec 02 20:11:37 pasta is pasta Dec 02 20:11:44 BluesLee: neo Dec 02 20:11:48 Hire: strongbox? Dec 02 20:14:01 ahh, strongbox like cassaforte? Dec 02 20:14:05 not very portable :( Dec 02 20:15:18 mrmoku: just use a regular note app, draft your secret, leave your FR out in the cold and wait for WSoD ... proper safekeeping ;p Dec 02 20:15:54 mrmoku: yes Dec 02 20:15:55 Blueslee :) Dec 02 20:15:55 and wow Dec 02 20:15:56 sicu: and in front of the bancomat - reboot :p Dec 02 20:16:00 mrsicu Dec 02 20:16:03 your italian is amazing :D Dec 02 20:16:13 Hire ¬_¬ Dec 02 20:16:27 someone spanks Dave, please Dec 02 20:16:35 and NO, don't leave him alone Dec 02 20:17:36 * sicu prefers not to spank someone of the same gender Dec 02 20:17:46 ;D Dec 02 20:19:14 I prefer to not spank at all :-p Dec 02 20:20:17 there is so much other fun stuff you could do Dec 02 20:21:40 hi dave Dec 02 20:22:30 * sicu introduces mw| to a game of spank the monkey Dec 02 20:23:32 the flash game? Dec 02 20:23:44 "monkeys from outer-space" Dec 02 20:25:39 sicu: seen "little nicky" ?.. pineapples Dec 02 20:28:03 ugh .... i'd rather not think about that ;p Dec 02 20:29:22 hahaha ... just watched the youtube clip Dec 02 20:30:04 sigh ... i'm easily amused =] Dec 02 20:30:47 what is going on behind the shr scenes? Dec 02 20:31:05 no updates anymore? Dec 02 20:31:25 it's the waiting game Dec 02 20:33:17 does anyone use a 2.6.28 kernel yet? Dec 02 20:34:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb1207efa9725 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Dec 02 20:34:45 freesmartphone.org: ousaged: org.freesmartphone.Usage.Suspend() now returns a value instead Dec 02 20:34:45 freesmartphone.org: of timing out (call did not return before the actual suspend was triggered). Dec 02 20:34:45 freesmartphone.org: As an inherent result, the suspend now occurs asynchronous. Dec 02 20:34:45 freesmartphone.org: This fixes FSO ticket #215. Dec 02 20:35:16 quickdev! Dec 02 20:35:17 welcome Dec 02 20:35:21 hey Dec 02 20:35:21 thanks Dec 02 20:35:33 yay! Dec 02 20:35:57 BluesLee: from time to time I try a 2.6.28 kernel Dec 02 20:36:33 is 2.6.28 out yet? Dec 02 20:37:17 mickey|lepizig: is there a signal that is sent just before the system suspends and just after it? Dec 02 20:37:20 I wish Python would go 2.6 Dec 02 20:37:31 quickdev: hey Dec 02 20:37:31 mickey|lepizig: if not, how can the caller of Suspend() know when the suspend is over? Dec 02 20:37:38 hey dolf1074 Dec 02 20:38:00 Suspend is so complicated. Dec 02 20:38:10 Can someone confirm that sending SMS with the actual image is possible without problems? Dec 02 20:38:14 lindi-: good questions... want to open a ticket? Dec 02 20:38:24 quickdev: how do you progress with the changes? Still not ready? (I Think you are almost tired of this question) Dec 02 20:38:47 quickdev: Is that the image of a couple days ago? Dec 02 20:39:06 Then I already successful send sms Dec 02 20:39:08 Sargun: andy seems to experiment with 2.6.28 Dec 02 20:39:09 yeah..image could be some days old Dec 02 20:39:14 dolf1074, thanks Dec 02 20:39:25 quickdev: yes it works Dec 02 20:39:44 dolf1074, two things are remaining. I'm solving one now and about the other one is a bit tricky, but I've got a possible solution. Dec 02 20:40:36 okay, I will keep on waiting. (waiting: doing stuff for shr ;) ) Dec 02 20:40:46 mickey|lepizig: #287 Dec 02 20:40:51 or watch a movie :p Dec 02 20:40:51 mickey|lepizig: sometimes sim authentification dioes not come up and i am lost, rebooting, restarting frameworkd, taking of battery ... Dec 02 20:40:54 dolf1074, I really wanted to commit it ealier, but it took much more time than expected and I'm not yet satisfied with it's structure. I'll commit it as soon as it's half-stable and you can help me :) Dec 02 20:41:00 mickey|lepizig: is this a known bug? Dec 02 20:41:09 quickdev: np, I can wait Dec 02 20:41:30 mickey|lepizig: and how can i force sim authentification/gsm to come up? Dec 02 20:43:46 powercycling the modem should fix it Dec 02 20:44:08 e.g. shutting down gsm0710muxd Dec 02 20:44:41 restarting that daemon? Dec 02 20:45:11 will try it next time, searching the fso bug list for that behaviour Dec 02 20:47:31 mrmoku: what do you think about the new kernel? Dec 02 20:49:46 BluesLee: works fine so far as a kernel - really using it would need some patching to frameworkd Dec 02 20:50:30 quickdev: commit commit commit commit commit :-) Dec 02 20:50:59 leave him aloneee Dec 02 20:51:07 leave the sausage guy aloneeeee Dec 02 20:51:21 mrmoku: i cannot expect it to work more or less well concerning gsm? Dec 02 20:51:40 i HATE work Dec 02 20:52:18 BluesLee: IIRC gsm worked - gps doesn't - wait a moment, will try Dec 02 20:57:28 BluesLee: I noticed that the PIN-Dialoque comes up always.. But it takes up to Dec 02 20:57:33 2 minutes or so Dec 02 20:58:06 2 minutes?:-) Dec 02 20:58:11 Well we should lower the timeouts Dec 02 20:58:27 i waited for hours Dec 02 20:58:47 it went to suspend Dec 02 20:58:58 and i looked from time to time Dec 02 20:59:15 at least 7-8 hours as i couldnt connect to a computer Dec 02 20:59:32 so i am not sure if it comes up again Dec 02 20:59:46 BluesLee: I guess it's a different problem then Dec 02 21:00:03 it happened twice Dec 02 21:00:26 My Freerunner just locks up hard lately. I think it is related to suspend and GPS, haven't found a pattern yet. Dec 02 21:00:35 how can i shut down the mentioned daemon Dec 02 21:01:17 stopping does not work as it looks for pid in /var/run/gsm0710muxd.pid and does not find one Dec 02 21:01:19 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd3299e92e30c 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py): Dec 02 21:01:19 freesmartphone.org: ousaged: Preliminary implementation of org.freesmartphone.Usage.[Shutdown|Reboot]() -> () Dec 02 21:01:19 freesmartphone.org: Send signal org.freesmartphone.Usage.SystemAction() before suspending, after resuming, Dec 02 21:01:20 freesmartphone.org: before shutting down, before rebooting. This fixes FSO ticket #287. Dec 02 21:03:40 <[Rui]> hi, make fso-console-image compiled like a charm, let's try again my own bb recibe Dec 02 21:03:46 BluesLee: ok, compiled latest andy-tracking and rebooted, messages, contacts and making a call works Dec 02 21:04:31 with latest shr Dec 02 21:04:46 suspend/resume? Dec 02 21:09:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r9e43362cc005 10/ (Makefile ousage/org.freesmartphone.Usage.xml.in): Dec 02 21:09:45 freesmartphone.org: ousage: document org.freesmartphone.Usage.[Shutdown|Reboot|SystemAction]() Dec 02 21:09:45 freesmartphone.org: TODO: Regen docs Dec 02 21:12:32 mrmoku: if suspend/resume works i might try it at the weekend Dec 02 21:15:37 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r42696e4986a8 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/ (generic.py resources.py): ousaged: refactor resource classes into seperate module Dec 02 21:39:29 * [Rui] still hasn't got bitbake to do anything with his local recipe, no download no nothing :( Dec 02 21:40:14 heh Dec 02 21:40:31 could you do a bitbake -c clean -b yourbbfile then bitbake -b yourbbfile and pastebin the log? Dec 02 21:40:34 I may be slow to answer Dec 02 21:40:53 I'm currently experiencing some beer-is-waiting-for-me thing Dec 02 21:41:57 me too Dec 02 21:43:05 bing Dec 02 21:43:43 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: heh. Dec 02 21:43:53 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: at least make fso-console-image built fine. Dec 02 21:44:14 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: but -c clean still won't work complaining about not existing any do_clean task Dec 02 21:44:32 * [Rui] will be at fosdem, I wonder how many from here will be too :) Dec 02 21:46:54 <[Rui]> pastebin seems to be down for me Dec 02 21:51:21 <[Rui]> is there anoter pastebin'like free service? Dec 02 21:54:04 [Rui]: http://www.rafb.net/paste/ Dec 02 21:54:16 <[Rui]> and pastebin.ca :) Dec 02 21:54:29 ;p Dec 02 21:54:36 there's plenty Dec 02 21:54:52 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: using the bitbake that comes from make setup fails like this: http://pastebin.ca/1274150 Dec 02 21:56:50 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: but using bitbake-om it doesn't seem to do anything useful either: http://pastebin.ca/1274153 Dec 02 21:56:56 <[Rui]> sicu: yeah Dec 02 21:59:07 well [Rui] Dec 02 21:59:13 You're not using the good version Dec 02 21:59:27 (it seems) Dec 02 22:00:11 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: it seems neither is good, then? Dec 02 22:00:12 I don't know what you did with your bitbake installs Dec 02 22:00:23 But I'd stronly suggest you to take the SHR makefile Dec 02 22:00:26 Which I know is working Dec 02 22:00:32 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: hey, make fso-console-image built fine Dec 02 22:00:45 [Rui]: ls -al /opt/openmoko plese Dec 02 22:00:47 +a Dec 02 22:00:57 If there's a fso-* dir there Dec 02 22:00:57 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r845873579b88 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: unset gsm-standard hooks on modems that offer special call progress URCs Dec 02 22:01:00 I'll tell you what to do Dec 02 22:01:15 is there anything in u-boot that can override CONFIG_BOOTDELAY? I am setting it to -1, and it still boots the default flash image -- when run from openocd Dec 02 22:01:23 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: http://pastebin.ca/1274170 Dec 02 22:01:37 [Rui]: cd fso-milestone4 Dec 02 22:01:40 then here Dec 02 22:01:47 please check there's a setup-env script Dec 02 22:01:49 if there is Dec 02 22:01:51 do . setup-env Dec 02 22:01:55 if this closes your terminal Dec 02 22:01:56 bug me again Dec 02 22:02:02 mbuf: (stupid question, did you configure u-boot on the correct flash?) Dec 02 22:02:08 <[Rui]> yes, there is Dec 02 22:02:37 mw|, correct flash? Dec 02 22:02:56 mw|, i haven't changed anything else in the config, the default origin/stable for the openmoko one Dec 02 22:03:23 mbuf: you have two flash chips on the FreeRunner atleast, a nor and a nand one, both have u-boot on them Dec 02 22:03:35 [Rui]: so? Dec 02 22:03:35 mw|, it does have CONFIG_S3C2410_NAND_BOOT 1 and other NAND settings Dec 02 22:03:36 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: it seems to need a TOPDIR Dec 02 22:03:43 Well then set one then :-) Dec 02 22:03:49 <[Rui]> TOPDIR=/opt/openmoko I presume Dec 02 22:04:03 ainu@calaquendi ~/shr/shr-testing $ cat conf/topdir.conf Dec 02 22:04:04 export TOPDIR=/home/ainu/shr/shr-testing Dec 02 22:04:05 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: only have one keyboard and one pair of hands :) Dec 02 22:04:14 [Rui]: nope, topdir should be your build directory Dec 02 22:04:20 hence fso-milestone4 for you Dec 02 22:04:23 with the path Dec 02 22:04:30 mw|, yes, but, I am copying u-boot to RAM from debug board, and running it; it waits for couple of seconds and boots the default image - openmoko -20081024 Dec 02 22:04:44 after you set the topdir.conf file, [Rui] Dec 02 22:04:49 do . setup-env Dec 02 22:04:53 and bitbake -c clean -b bbfile again Dec 02 22:05:24 mw|, how can i tell if it is booting to NOR or NAND? kernel command line: rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 Dec 02 22:05:46 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: ah... Dec 02 22:05:53 [Rui]: did it work? :-) Dec 02 22:05:56 <= innocent look Dec 02 22:05:58 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: I like the taste of that MUCH better... Dec 02 22:06:09 [Rui]: that's why you should follow docs and listen to me :-p Dec 02 22:06:10 <[Rui]> not tasting sour anymore! Dec 02 22:06:22 [Rui]: well anyway you'll see your bb file is working Dec 02 22:06:31 except that as you don't have the necessary files for the autotools Dec 02 22:06:35 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: I'm typing down what's needed so we can have a: follow steps 1-N and start bitbaking Dec 02 22:06:36 <[Rui]> page Dec 02 22:06:43 it won't be able to configure/compile/make install Dec 02 22:06:55 mbuf: that I don't know (yet).. just wanted to make sure that you knew that atleast the FreeRunner had two different flash-chips, and that you might have modified things on the chip you didn't currently use Dec 02 22:06:59 [Rui]: there's a page about that already Dec 02 22:07:03 There's even one on SHR Dec 02 22:07:12 Which is the same except we have a patch for OE Dec 02 22:07:39 mw| i know there exists two flash-chips; i did re-flash u-boot on the NAND flash; but, that shouldn't matter when I am using a debug board Dec 02 22:07:45 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: http://shr.bearstech.com/openembedded-shr-git.diff Dec 02 22:07:48 quickdev: are you s/things// ? :-) Dec 02 22:07:52 [Rui]: yep Dec 02 22:08:04 Ainulindale, mh? Dec 02 22:08:06 (which may not be up to date) Dec 02 22:08:13 quickdev: are you doing my sed magic? :-) Dec 02 22:08:28 no, I'm not trusting your regexp ;) Dec 02 22:08:33 Meh :-) Dec 02 22:10:06 Well, if you take it like this, I'm going to drink my beer quietly then! :-) Dec 02 22:10:20 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: which page? Dec 02 22:10:28 [Rui]: on several wikis Dec 02 22:10:32 OM, SHR, OE Dec 02 22:10:38 Even FSO IIRC Dec 02 22:10:49 (going away for a bit) Dec 02 22:11:24 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: have a nice beer, you deserve it ;) Dec 02 22:19:10 Ainulindale: new mockup, http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shr2/messages/messaging3.png Dec 02 22:20:29 This is the first mockup with real icons :) Dec 02 22:20:34 Shiny =) Dec 02 22:20:35 <[Rui]> one victory at a step Dec 02 22:20:43 But please bug quickdev for me Dec 02 22:20:50 He's actually driving me away from my beer Dec 02 22:20:59 <[Rui]> now it fetches from svn://omnewrotate.googlecode.com/svn/trunk;module=.;proto=http Dec 02 22:21:18 <[Rui]> of course it failed like Ainulindale predicted, but it's one at a time :) Dec 02 22:21:29 Ainulindale: He says he is busy with the changes and will try to merge it asap Dec 02 22:21:42 dolf1074: changes are commited Dec 02 22:21:51 nice, didn't know Dec 02 22:22:03 Then I can begin, hahaha ;à Dec 02 22:24:35 but first things first, reflash SHR (had flashed android, because I heard it had on-screen keyboard. But it was a disappointment) Dec 02 22:26:12 <[Rui]> heh Dec 02 22:26:22 <[Rui]> NOTE: make DESTDIR=/opt/openmoko/fso-milestone4/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/omnewrotate-0.5.0-r0/image install Dec 02 22:26:23 <[Rui]> make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. Dec 02 22:26:23 <[Rui]> FATAL: oe_runmake failed Dec 02 22:26:31 [Rui]: no autotools, no candy Dec 02 22:26:32 <[Rui]> I like this... Dec 02 22:26:36 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: yeah... Dec 02 22:26:55 As told before, check what we did on ophonekitd http://shr.bearstech.com/git <= Dec 02 22:26:57 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: but it is supposed to be already adapted to autotools Dec 02 22:27:06 The tar isn't Dec 02 22:27:20 (here I used the tar) Dec 02 22:27:29 And IMHO Dec 02 22:27:33 That's because your WORKDIR is wrong Dec 02 22:28:09 Your workdir has to be the same dir in which it'll download the files, see in /opt/openmoko/fso-milestone4/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/omnewrotate-0.5.0-r0/ Dec 02 22:28:10 <[Rui]> the tar isn't, but the svn already has what I put in. Dec 02 22:30:39 ooh ... shiny new commitdiff by quickdev =] Dec 02 22:31:16 [Rui]: ah I know why Dec 02 22:31:20 NOTE: Fetch svn://omnewrotate.googlecode.com/svn/trunk;module=.;proto=http Dec 02 22:31:23 Checked out revision 1. Dec 02 22:31:27 Doesn't something seems weird to you? :-) Dec 02 22:31:31 -s Dec 02 22:31:35 <[Rui]> yeah Dec 02 22:31:45 That's because you have to fix a rev in a rev file Dec 02 22:31:56 Either do that Dec 02 22:31:59 Or if you don't want to bother for now Dec 02 22:32:02 Do that in the SRC_URI Dec 02 22:32:21 <[Rui]> rev file? Dec 02 22:33:01 SRC_URI = "svn://omnewrotate.googlecode.com/svn/trunk;module=.;proto=http;rev=XXX" will do Dec 02 22:33:04 with the good rev of course Dec 02 22:33:10 <[Rui]> shouldn't the svn trunk already bring out the latest anyway? Dec 02 22:33:20 [Rui]: yeah there are files which define which rev should be fetched for a package Dec 02 22:33:23 nope Dec 02 22:33:25 not with bitbake Dec 02 22:33:29 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: ah... Dec 02 22:33:36 In your case, just define it as I just told you Dec 02 22:33:40 And it'll work Dec 02 22:33:47 rev=HEAD will work too Dec 02 22:34:58 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: already did that :) tried that even before trying with a rev number .) Dec 02 22:35:12 And? :-) Dec 02 22:35:26 <[Rui]> failed on install Dec 02 22:35:31 Heh Dec 02 22:35:35 That's because it checked out in . Dec 02 22:35:45 <[Rui]> and now clean is working too! :) Dec 02 22:35:50 set S = "${WORKDIR"} Dec 02 22:35:54 set S = "${WORKDIR}" Dec 02 22:35:55 And it'll work Dec 02 22:36:24 You'll see it spend time on configure anyway Dec 02 22:37:13 <[Rui]> ok, no because configure isn't on svn, it still isn't generated Dec 02 22:37:29 It'll spend time on do_configure Dec 02 22:37:37 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: I'll try to go head on my own for a bit now, exploring a bit Dec 02 22:37:43 Ok Dec 02 22:37:44 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: it didn't Dec 02 22:37:44 And as for mùe Dec 02 22:37:48 [Rui]: well here it did Dec 02 22:37:57 I can even tell you that it does that : Dec 02 22:38:00 autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1 Dec 02 22:38:00 FATAL: autoreconf execution failed. Dec 02 22:38:02 (after a while) Dec 02 22:38:09 <[Rui]> /usr/bin/autoreconf: unrecognized option `--exclude=autopoint' Dec 02 22:38:18 Your env is weird Dec 02 22:38:27 it shouldn't use /usr/bin/autoreconf Dec 02 22:38:41 <[Rui]> weird uhu? Dec 02 22:38:49 weird because there are cross compiled autotools Dec 02 22:38:51 <[Rui]> I also thought it should use something inside Dec 02 22:38:56 <[Rui]> yup Dec 02 22:38:59 NOTE: Executing autoreconf --verbose --install --force --exclude=autopoint -I/home/ainu/shr/shr-testing/tmp/staging/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/share/aclocal-1.9 -I /home/ainu/shr/shr-testing/tmp/staging/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/share/aclocal Dec 02 22:39:03 See Dec 02 22:40:09 Well anyway, going to drink my beer once and for all :-) Dec 02 22:40:25 Please tell quickdev I'm setting him to NULL with the power of my mind Dec 02 22:40:29 <[Rui]> maybe I need my PATH changed further. go get it Ainulindale Dec 02 22:40:40 <[Rui]> (void*)quickdev ? Dec 02 22:40:44 Ainulindale, enjoy your evening :) Dec 02 22:40:49 <[Rui]> (void*)quickdev = NULL ? Dec 02 22:41:15 Shr_driver* quickdev = NULL Dec 02 22:41:19 you flushed him? Dec 02 22:41:22 <[Rui]> I'm guessing I need to export PATH=./fso-console/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/bin/:$PATH Dec 02 22:42:16 --exclude=autopoint, is that a autoreconf standard thing ? Dec 02 22:42:55 A little quiz, who has said: Any program is only as good as it is useful. Dec 02 22:43:18 I can't find --exclude in my system-wide autoreconf or at gnu.org Dec 02 22:51:22 * [Rui] scratches his head, WTF is it using the wrong autoreconf? Dec 02 22:59:07 <[Rui]> mw|: it's supposed to NOT use the system-wide autoreconf Dec 02 23:05:00 Hello all :) Dec 02 23:05:40 Any idea why even after getting a GPS fix, the gps device keeps reporting this line repeatedly interpersed with the actual positional information? $GPTXT,01,01,01,NMEA unknown msg*58 Dec 02 23:06:59 Dave: the wiki mentions that it does but does not explain why Dec 02 23:07:16 w$ grep -r 'NMEA unknown' . Dec 02 23:07:17 ./Neo_FreeRunner_GPS.wiki:Before getting a fix, the GPS spits out lots of "$GPTXT,01,01,01,NMEA unknown msg*58", though these stop once a fix is obtained. Dec 02 23:07:29 ah, hmm, you should not get them after fix. Dec 02 23:08:10 Lindi, I know, however, I am Dec 02 23:08:12 and pages of them Dec 02 23:08:19 I can count them if you'd like :) Dec 02 23:09:41 I get about 17-20 of them, and then the usual fix data, and it repeats like that Dec 02 23:10:00 it's strange because this normally doesn't happen, as far as I can tell, but it's also got a fix so wtf. Dec 02 23:29:06 weird Dec 02 23:31:11 Ainulindale, Quickdev: The newest commit, brakes the compiling of libframeworkd-phonegui-efl. I solved it and here's the diff: http://pastebin.be/15171 (ps. it's an easy one) Dec 02 23:31:30 Good job, dolf :] Dec 02 23:31:41 * Dave gives dolf1074 cookies Dec 02 23:32:25 nice dolf Dec 02 23:32:56 Dave: thanks, but eating before you go to bed isn't that good Dec 02 23:35:39 dolf1074: that's because it's not stable, and not supposed to compile Dec 02 23:35:48 I does compile ;) Dec 02 23:35:58 But will not work with your patch Dec 02 23:36:29 and the package even starts ;) (Though some actions are broken) Dec 02 23:36:37 That's my point Dec 02 23:36:44 There are still things to fix Dec 02 23:37:02 (That's why I manually set the SRCREV for this package to the former version) Dec 02 23:37:48 (away again) Dec 02 23:37:58 ok, me to Dec 02 23:38:09 me not Dec 02 23:38:12 * bricode has had a lot of Android hacking today. Dec 02 23:38:27 bricode: tell me, how is it going Dec 02 23:38:28 i see bricode ;) Dec 02 23:38:40 but sean doesn't upload a new image? Dec 02 23:38:45 i want to test the osk Dec 02 23:38:57 and i want to study the UI Dec 02 23:39:32 Sean has a new image. Dec 02 23:39:39 Sadly it doesn't include an OSK. Dec 02 23:40:00 i know Dec 02 23:40:03 I have an image, sadly it doesn't include pageflipping, and is only available in source code. Dec 02 23:40:19 but i know sean wants to regen a new image with osk :D Dec 02 23:40:43 tomorrow i will test to compile it .. Dec 02 23:42:43 brian, enough, perhaps? :p Dec 02 23:49:30 Dave: Really though, what is enough? Dec 02 23:49:58 Hire: Good to hear. Dec 02 23:50:08 It's pretty much ready to go from the source side. Dec 02 23:50:19 I need to post the toolchain that can compile it. Dec 02 23:51:09 cool Dec 02 23:52:05 There are a few pieces that still need work, but I figure that if the community can compile and test it, they can produce patches. Dec 02 23:52:12 <[Rui]> giving up for tonight Dec 02 23:52:14 Android has been pretty opaque to date. Dec 02 23:52:18 <[Rui]> bbye! Dec 02 23:52:56 <[Rui]> I feel I'm really close, but yet... so faraway ;) Dec 02 23:55:08 i can test it Dec 02 23:55:19 but I barely can produce patches ;) Dec 02 23:58:24 hah, great idea btw of coolcat to put the gnuboy screenshot on the mainpage;) Dec 02 23:59:26 om2008 does not use pulseaudio, right? Dec 03 00:03:54 good night guys :) Dec 03 00:08:40 brian, as opposed to, translucent? :p Dec 03 00:10:27 Dave: Transparent baby. Where you, the individual, can change the course of time. Dec 03 00:10:40 Dave: To choose your own adventure. Dec 03 00:11:03 And have everything the way you want it...exactly. Dec 03 00:12:38 Brian, well that certainly doesn't sound like it described Android. Dec 03 00:12:41 :\ Dec 03 00:14:59 Dave: You've got a long ways to go :) Dec 03 00:15:25 Okay, I'm out. I need to eat. More early tomorrow. Instructions to build to boot! Dec 03 00:16:12 woot Dec 03 00:16:34 Dave: Andriod isn't the answer to the world's problems (yet). As far as I know, it's 42. Dec 03 00:17:01 42? Dec 03 00:17:03 Android will be a beast that takes a life of its own. Ditto with the Freerunner. Dec 03 00:17:04 i thought 21 Dec 03 00:17:08 Blackjack... Dec 03 00:17:33 pieterc: I don't know. I haven't actually read the Hitchhiker's Guide. Dec 03 00:17:46 :) Dec 03 00:17:55 Anyway, source is at git.koolu.org. Dec 03 00:18:04 ;) Dec 03 00:18:09 It builds provided you've got a proper toolchain. Dec 03 00:18:17 There will be more updates there shortly. Dec 03 00:18:23 I promise. Dec 03 00:18:34 * bricode AFK Dec 03 00:18:58 A likely story :P Dec 03 01:02:56 can anyone explain to me the easiest way to crosscompile a c++ code for the freerunner? Dec 03 01:03:13 (using ./configure, make) Dec 03 01:05:00 please? Dec 03 01:05:06 pieterc: what distro? Dec 03 01:05:20 err.. om 2008 Dec 03 01:06:39 pieterc: on your PC? Dec 03 01:06:45 yes Dec 03 01:08:36 pieterc: i doubt you run om2008 on your PC? Dec 03 01:08:46 ... Dec 03 01:08:46 ah Dec 03 01:08:52 ubuntu ;) Dec 03 01:08:55 8/04 Dec 03 01:09:02 I'm sorry ;,à) Dec 03 01:09:03 ,) Dec 03 01:09:04 ;) Dec 03 01:10:34 pieterc: i just added stuff to Development_Environment Dec 03 01:11:00 -checking- Dec 03 01:13:38 I don't get it... Dec 03 01:13:55 I just want to compile an application for the om2008 platform Dec 03 01:14:06 when i install Dec 03 01:14:18 the toolchain Dec 03 01:14:23 it doesn't work Dec 03 01:14:38 i only use debian at the moment so i'm bit biased Dec 03 01:14:46 Ok Dec 03 01:14:49 Thanks anyway Dec 03 01:14:53 I'll go to bed now Dec 03 01:15:00 Byezzzzz Dec 03 02:48:46 hi all Dec 03 02:48:54 I'm just starting to look at SHR Dec 03 02:49:12 and I'm curious why there's a recommended diff to be applied after a git pull Dec 03 02:53:44 new code! Dec 03 02:55:19 hasn't made it into the git repo though? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 03 02:59:56 2008