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Dec 17 03:02:20 <DocScrutinizer> yup, this is copy from our internal docs-store, so of course there might be references to other internal things. Existence of this internal store isn't a secret, we won't edit out any reference, but we also won't disclose our complete internal NDA'd store ;-)
Dec 17 03:03:02 <Sargun> DocScrutinizer, So, can I sign an NDA with OM?
Dec 17 03:03:11 <DocScrutinizer> ask Steve
Dec 17 03:04:40 <DocScrutinizer> ahh, no. You actually might ask me. Send me a mail explaining why you want/need access to internal stuff, I may send an NDA to you. If you sign it, you *might* get approval by big boss ;-)
Dec 17 03:05:30 <marec> DocScrutinizer: i think wolfgang approves the devel NDAs not steve
Dec 17 03:05:35 <DocScrutinizer> or, more likely, you may ask for particular documents/data, and we'll send it to you then
Dec 17 03:05:56 <Sargun> DocScrutinizer, big boss = sean?
Dec 17 03:06:06 <DocScrutinizer> yup, that's probably correct. So Wolfgang is the "big boss" mentioned before ;-)
Dec 17 03:06:12 <Sargun> ah.
Dec 17 03:06:24 <marec> Sargun: i doubt sean has the time to look into each NDA request  ;)
Dec 17 03:06:28 <Sargun> haha
Dec 17 03:06:32 <Sargun> good point
Dec 17 03:06:43 <Sargun> DocScrutinizer, what's your real name/e-mail address?
Dec 17 03:06:56 <DocScrutinizer> ~docscrutinizer
Dec 17 03:06:59 <marec> :D
Dec 17 03:07:05 <DocScrutinizer> ooops, no apt
Dec 17 03:07:09 <marec> DocScrutinizer: full disclosure !!!
Dec 17 03:07:14 <DocScrutinizer> joerg@openmoko.org
Dec 17 03:07:19 <Sargun> ah, you're joerge.
Dec 17 03:07:21 <Sargun> joerg.
Dec 17 03:07:55 <Sargun> what's the status of the BIG-C workaround by the way, and why haven't you and/or steve responded to Joel Newkirk?
Dec 17 03:07:57 <sicu> i think he knows that ;p
Dec 17 03:09:47 <mwester> bzzbot: docscrutinizer is Joerg, joerg@openmoko.org
Dec 17 03:09:47 <bzzbot> okay, mwester
Dec 17 03:10:02 <mwester> ~docscrutinizer
Dec 17 03:10:02 <bzzbot> somebody said docscrutinizer was Joerg, joerg@openmoko.org
Dec 17 03:10:09 <mwester> there, that's better. 
Dec 17 03:10:11 <mwester> :)
Dec 17 03:10:35 <DocScrutinizer> pointers please, mwester, thanks ;-) look at `openmoko and ask apt! ;-D
Dec 17 03:10:56 <DocScrutinizer> Sargun: pointers please
Dec 17 03:11:01 <DocScrutinizer> mwester: sorry
Dec 17 03:11:50 <DocScrutinizer> Sargun: who's Newkirk, what's his question. pointers please!
Dec 17 03:11:58 <Sargun> DocScrutinizer, I'm looking, wait for nabble
Dec 17 03:12:29 <DocScrutinizer> ok then. ping me later, have to start now, so offline for a while
Dec 17 03:12:57 <Sargun> wait, give me like 2 minutes please
Dec 17 03:13:51 <Sargun> DocScrutinizer, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/037589.html
Dec 17 03:13:57 <Sargun> ok, I did it in less than 2 minutes.
Dec 17 03:14:44 <Sargun> Also, if you can poke steve: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-December/037536.html
Dec 17 03:20:27 <DocScrutinizer> Sargun: (and why haven't you and/or steve responded to Joel Newkirk) it's [community] ML. I don't have the time to read and anser each mail on communtity, actually I miss an occasional mail. He should have posted answering to the main thread on [hardware] and I would have answered
Dec 17 03:20:57 <Sargun> oh
Dec 17 03:20:58 <Sargun> ok
Dec 17 03:21:00 <Sargun> sorry.
Dec 17 03:22:46 <DocScrutinizer> Sargun: (what's the status of the BIG-C workaround) See main hread on [hw], I think the answer is in there. Short summary: not yet verified on a sufficient number of devices, in locations where we actually have a buzz-problem. So no official recommendation for now
Dec 17 03:23:09 <Sargun> ah.
Dec 17 03:23:11 <Sargun> ok, thanks.
Dec 17 03:23:16 <DocScrutinizer> welcome
Dec 17 03:24:18 <DocScrutinizer> Sargun: sorry for (community), it's just there is sooo much noise 
Dec 17 03:25:04 <DocScrutinizer> Sargun: if I read all the msgs there, I never found the time to create big_C rework paper ;-)
Dec 17 03:27:26 <Sargun> haha
Dec 17 05:15:08 <Sargun> DocScrutinizer, You know how #1024 is a CND, right? do you want someone with a USRP to do a aircap?
Dec 17 05:25:29 <DocScrutinizer> Sargun: sure, would be very helpful
Dec 17 05:30:18 <DocScrutinizer> I hope to do one at 25C3 in Berlin, and of this month. Anyway we never can get enough info ;-)
Dec 17 05:30:41 <DocScrutinizer> s/, a/, e/
Dec 17 05:30:41 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer meant: I hope to do one at 25C3 in Berlin, end of this month. Anyway we never can get enough info ;-)
Dec 17 05:42:00 <DocScrutinizer> Sargun: also it's not garuanteed we even see any #1024 when we have a USRP to do the aircap in Berlin, so if you see a possibility please go ahead
Dec 17 06:28:30 <Sargun> DocScrutinizer2, Can you reimburse me for the cost of a USRP?
Dec 17 06:28:31 <Sargun> :-P
Dec 17 06:34:10 <Sargun> DocScrutinizer2, Would providing a SSH + phone and a desktop hooked upto a USRP, help?
Dec 17 06:58:53 <PaulFertser_> alphaone: So, what about the SMS issue i was seeing? I though it's obvious from the patch i sent you.
Dec 17 07:46:22 <budfive> Sargun: you said you had several freerunners?
Dec 17 07:47:25 <Sargun_Screen> 4.
Dec 17 07:47:33 <Sargun_Screen> 3 for work, 1 for personal.
Dec 17 07:48:52 <budfive> I need some small, embedded linux computers with gprs for work also. Did you look around and then settle on the freerunner, or did you buy it without looking around?
Dec 17 07:49:40 <budfive> I don't need a screen or gps or speakers, so some things about FR seem like overkill, but I haven't yet found anything else that is this small
Dec 17 07:52:43 <Sargun_Screen> budfive: For size, the FR won by far.
Dec 17 07:52:47 <Sargun_Screen> And integration.
Dec 17 07:53:02 <Sargun_Screen> I could buy an independent 'computer' and GPRS terminal.
Dec 17 07:53:07 <Sargun_Screen> but that'd be a PITA
Dec 17 07:53:14 <Sargun_Screen> and more costly in the end.
Dec 17 07:53:22 <flohack> raster: Have you got a minute?
Dec 17 07:54:00 <budfive> Sargun_Screen: ok. thanks. i guess i'll be buying some more of these.
Dec 17 07:54:03 <Sargun_Screen> budfive: what exactly are you guys doing?
Dec 17 07:54:11 <Sargun_Screen> so, I can advise you better.
Dec 17 07:55:14 <budfive> Sargun: environmental monitoring. We've many small msp430-based nodes that communicate with each other. One node is a base station that collects everybody's sensor readings and uploads them to a server somewhere
Dec 17 07:55:50 <budfive> Sargun_Screen: The FR would be the base station. I need wifi, gprs, some sort of data port (like usb), it should run linux and be as small as possible
Dec 17 07:56:49 <Sargun_Screen> I found a few other platforms similar to that, but they all come with downsides: Bad documentation, VERY costly, etc..
Dec 17 07:59:02 <budfive> Sargun: Yeah. I'm looking around, and I can't find anything that's as small and integrated. I can get a miniature computer, and plug in wifi in a cf and gprs in a cf, but that doesn't sound like it would be cheaper or smaller. And would probably be a bigger pain to get running. What you said. :)
Dec 17 07:59:39 <budfive> Joerg also mentioned that the FR connects the GSM power directly to the battery so you can't run battery-less and use gprs. :(
Dec 17 07:59:41 <Sargun_Screen> Well, I've found boards that have WiFi on board, and then you can get a PCMCIA GPRS adapter. 
Dec 17 07:59:55 <Sargun_Screen> ah, that explains a lot.
Dec 17 08:00:09 <Sargun_Screen> budfive: Also, we needed battery power.
Dec 17 08:00:57 <budfive> In your searching, were the wifi boards + gprs cards cheaper than the fr?
Dec 17 08:01:18 <ptitjes> Hello
Dec 17 08:01:32 <Sargun_Screen> Not if you added in the cost of a battery.
Dec 17 08:01:42 <Sargun_Screen> Also, direct access to the modem makes a difference.
Dec 17 08:02:31 <budfive> right. ok. that sounds right. Thanks.
Dec 17 08:03:02 <Sargun_Screen> budfive: Are you going to have an external battery, or not?
Dec 17 08:03:09 <Sargun_Screen> I mean, an external power source?
Dec 17 08:03:32 <budfive> i will have an external power source, so i'd rather not have a battery
Dec 17 08:04:42 <Sargun_Screen> Ah, so you think it'll be running a long time?
Dec 17 08:05:01 <Sargun_Screen> We did something kind of, uhm, interesting.
Dec 17 08:05:07 <Sargun_Screen> We had a USB->Ethernet adapter
Dec 17 08:05:13 <Sargun_Screen> +External power from a HUB
Dec 17 08:05:18 <budfive> hopefully ~2years without intervention. Which is why i'm a bit concerned about a li-ion battery being in the loop
Dec 17 08:05:53 <Sargun_Screen> which could only be activated via switching on the power out.
Dec 17 08:06:00 <budfive> :)
Dec 17 08:06:05 <Sargun_Screen> Wait, is this one of those projects where you have an infinite amount of money?
Dec 17 08:06:09 <Sargun_Screen> :-P
Dec 17 08:06:34 <budfive> with the fr, i'd set up the usb port as a device, but also power it off of the usb port. it's great that this is possible
Dec 17 08:07:00 <Sargun_Screen> as a device? 
Dec 17 08:07:04 <Sargun_Screen> You mean, not hostmode.
Dec 17 08:07:24 <budfive> right. device mode, but the device providing power, instead of taking it
Dec 17 08:07:40 <budfive> not generally possible on a real computer, but the fr lets you do this
Dec 17 08:08:03 <Sargun_Screen> yeah
Dec 17 08:08:27 <budfive> i wish there was an infinite amount of money. there's only one root node in the whole network of sensors, so the cost of the computer (FR or whatever it ends up being) gets diluted
Dec 17 08:09:22 <budfive> what're you using yours for?
Dec 17 08:09:44 <Sargun_Screen> Monitoring our GPRS connections
Dec 17 08:09:53 <Sargun_Screen> Err.
Dec 17 08:09:57 <Sargun_Screen> It's hard to explain.
Dec 17 08:10:10 <Sargun_Screen> We provide a server over GPRS, and the freerunners monitor it.
Dec 17 08:10:49 <Sargun_Screen> budfive: Though, one caveat, GPRS sucks. Providers treat it like a second-rate protocol these days. We've seen maintenance windows last for days.
Dec 17 08:11:29 <budfive> huh. interesting. so you're also using it as a headless computer without the gps or speakers or screen?
Dec 17 08:11:55 <Sargun_Screen> Oh, we use the screen so an engineer can tap it
Dec 17 08:12:02 <Sargun_Screen> and get the status of the system health.
Dec 17 08:12:12 <Sargun_Screen> GPS for clock sync.
Dec 17 08:12:22 <Sargun_Screen> Speakers: Unused, but I can figure something out.
Dec 17 08:12:35 <budfive> ok. not bad. Mine will live on top of streetlights, so human interaction is... difficult
Dec 17 08:12:48 <Sargun_Screen> ever heard of a cherrypicker?
Dec 17 08:13:24 <Sargun_Screen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_work_platform
Dec 17 08:13:31 <Sargun_Screen> I'm sure you'd love to go up there.
Dec 17 08:14:13 <Sargun_Screen> budfive: See if you can replace the batteries with Nokias
Dec 17 08:14:24 <budfive> yep
Dec 17 08:14:25 <Sargun_Screen> They're available for about $30 here.
Dec 17 08:14:33 <budfive> they're $5 on ebay. :)
Dec 17 08:14:43 <PaulFertser_> budfive: or you can provide power directly to the battery terminals from an external source.
Dec 17 08:14:46 <budfive> they do work, i'm just concerned about one dying after a few years
Dec 17 08:14:54 <Sargun_Screen> If you don't mind soldering, you could probably rig up an external source to the battery terminals. 
Dec 17 08:15:20 <PaulFertser_> Sargun_Screen: :p
Dec 17 08:15:23 <Sargun_Screen> heh
Dec 17 08:15:24 <budfive> right. all these things are possible :)
Dec 17 08:15:35 <Sargun_Screen> you're in California?
Dec 17 08:15:42 <Sargun_Screen> Stealin' mah tax dollars?
Dec 17 08:15:42 <budfive> LA
Dec 17 08:15:42 <Sargun_Screen> :-P
Dec 17 08:16:00 <Sargun_Screen> I'm in Norcal. (work in San Jose)
Dec 17 08:16:03 <budfive> i have a suspicion the reason the FR is wired this way is to guarantee a very clean power line to the GSM chip
Dec 17 08:16:31 <budfive> ok, cool. yay cali
Dec 17 08:16:38 <Sargun_Screen> Yay bankrupt state!
Dec 17 08:16:52 <budfive> hah. seems like they've a crisis every year
Dec 17 08:17:54 <Sargun_Screen> what kind of power do you get at the top of light poles?
Dec 17 08:18:04 <Sargun_Screen> and what kind of room?
Dec 17 08:18:25 <Sargun_Screen> Why GPRS? can't you get taps into the phone system, or is that too hard logistically? 
Dec 17 08:18:32 <budfive> most poles have 3-phase 240V
Dec 17 08:18:50 <budfive> and no phone lines up there. only power. the size spec is "as small as possible" :)
Dec 17 08:19:34 <Sargun_Screen> hehe
Dec 17 08:19:51 <Sargun_Screen> do you really need 240volts to drive those lights?
Dec 17 08:20:30 <budfive> i think it's not a matter of what you need, but a matter of what you've got. 
Dec 17 08:20:35 <Sargun_Screen> Good point.
Dec 17 08:20:47 <raster> flohack:  yo?
Dec 17 08:21:22 <Sargun_Screen> budfive: are these going to be in metros?
Dec 17 08:21:57 <budfive> Sargun_Screen: municipalities are the customers. 
Dec 17 08:22:17 <Sargun_Screen> I'm betting you could probably convince OM, Inc. to just sell you the board
Dec 17 08:22:23 <Sargun_Screen> and you could do custom packaging
Dec 17 08:22:31 <Sargun_Screen> And get rid of the screen, and stuff
Dec 17 08:23:02 <budfive> yeah.... maybe. i think somebody in the company has tried, but the volumes weren't high enough. I'm not sure, actually. There was talk :)
Dec 17 08:23:55 <budfive> i guess i can postpone the decision. We can spec the box to be big enough to hold a freerunner, and that'll be the max size for whatever else i may decide to stick in there later
Dec 17 08:24:57 <Sargun_Screen> budfive: 500 devices?
Dec 17 08:25:22 <budfive> the most interesting thing about this will be how the fr performs inside the lights. There's some serious RF interference there I bet
Dec 17 08:26:13 <Sargun_Screen> budfive: No shielding?
Dec 17 08:26:21 <budfive> no idea
Dec 17 08:26:34 <Sargun_Screen> http://openmoko.com/opportunities-verticals.html
Dec 17 08:26:45 <Sargun_Screen> Verticals, Mhmmkay?
Dec 17 08:26:56 <budfive> right. good point. I'll pass that on.
Dec 17 08:27:21 <Sargun_Screen> Well, the way we deal with RF interference
Dec 17 08:27:42 <Sargun_Screen> Get a nice little RF shielded box, and then stick a directional antenna outside of it.
Dec 17 08:28:16 <budfive> right. so you've actually tried running these devices in a noisy environment, or that's just a general comment?
Dec 17 08:29:08 <Sargun_Screen> A datacenter is noisy, in multiple ways.
Dec 17 08:29:56 <budfive> were you seeing issues with the FR? GSM works ok?
Dec 17 08:30:19 <Sargun_Screen> yeah
Dec 17 08:30:24 <Sargun_Screen> We use an antenna though
Dec 17 08:30:34 <Sargun_Screen> omnidirectional
Dec 17 08:30:49 <Sargun_Screen> but that's in a low-noise location (outside of the RF cage)
Dec 17 08:31:39 <flohack> raster: Sorry for the delay! I wrote you an email concerning the illume keyboard. I tried to create a dictionary for the German language and have a problem with umlauts.
Dec 17 08:31:47 <budfive> Sargun: right. i may have to do that. Don't know if there's an issue
Dec 17 08:32:06 <flohack> raster: The keyboard does not take entries from the dictionary into account if they contain umlauts.
Dec 17 08:33:28 <Sargun_Screen> budfive: you have a unique situation, recreating the top of a light pole will be hard
Dec 17 08:33:37 <Sargun_Screen> from what I understand, light poles are not cheap
Dec 17 08:34:31 <budfive> :) I'll just try it and see what happens
Dec 17 08:40:18 <Sargun_Screen> Good luck, tell us how it goes
Dec 17 08:40:29 <Sargun_Screen> oh, and take a picture of the Freerunner on a light pole.
Dec 17 08:40:37 <budfive> will do. thanks again
Dec 17 08:49:52 <Sargun_Screen> GSM0710muxd still has some bugs in it.
Dec 17 09:01:35 <PaulFertser_> Sargun_Screen: Any particular info?
Dec 17 09:01:54 <PaulFertser_> Sargun_Screen: got a debug log?
Dec 17 09:17:38 <Sargun_Screen> PaulFertser_: not right now, it's hard to recreate
Dec 17 09:17:58 <PaulFertser_> Sargun_Screen: why are you so sure, it's muxer bug?
Dec 17 09:18:41 <Sargun_Screen> that, or calypso?
Dec 17 09:18:59 <Sargun_Screen> when I talk to the modem directly, it works fine
Dec 17 09:19:08 <Sargun_Screen> when I go through the daemon, it borks
Dec 17 09:19:15 <PaulFertser_> And what version are you running atm? With the fix for 2048 buffer reporting wrong free space or not?
Dec 17 09:19:40 <Sargun_Screen> hm, not sure.
Dec 17 09:19:46 <Sargun_Screen> what's in debian?
Dec 17 09:20:00 <PaulFertser_> Sargun_Screen: i'm afraid it's without.
Dec 17 09:20:20 <Sargun_Screen> ah, that might explain it
Dec 17 09:20:27 <Sargun_Screen> I should hit up the debian guys
Dec 17 09:21:05 <PaulFertser_> Sargun_Screen: take a look at http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=gsm0710muxd.git;a=commit;h=2edaa892361dab3001e9f2485bdd478298abbed3
Dec 17 09:22:22 <PaulFertser_> Sargun_Screen: the unusally good thing about that bug was that it was more easily triggered with debugging enabled ;)
Dec 17 09:26:47 <Sargun_Screen> heh
Dec 17 09:29:17 <Sargun_Screen> Quick thing, otimed doesn't show up under mdbus -s
Dec 17 10:19:23 <raster> flohack: yes. there are bugs with the utf8 matching/parsing
Dec 17 10:19:26 <raster> i know
Dec 17 10:25:24 <flohack> raster: Ok, good to know.
Dec 17 10:26:06 <flohack> raster: Can I help with that (file a bug, have a look at a specific source file to propose a patch)?
Dec 17 10:30:02 <PaulFertser_> lindi-, GNUtoo: to disable WLAN you need to have a kernel of at least rev a4240473c8db and use the /sys/devices/platform/gta02-pm-wlan.0/power_on sysfs node. I haven't tested it yet, though.
Dec 17 10:30:29 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: if (ioctl (sock, SIOCGIWTXPOW, &wrq) != 0) seems to do something here
Dec 17 10:31:16 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: shows around 20 mA consumption
Dec 17 10:31:59 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: but it says that wifi is of but power_on is 1
Dec 17 10:32:26 <PaulFertser_> lindi-: i actually haven't measured it yet, so i can't confirm or deny that. I still think that those recent addition of the power_on node (and following fixes) are there on purpose ;)
Dec 17 10:33:03 <PaulFertser_> lindi-: and iwconfig still shows eth0 interface.
Dec 17 10:35:02 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: but yes, i'll rather use /sys file than ioctl
Dec 17 10:35:23 <raster> flohack: filing a bug wont help - i already know it :)
Dec 17 10:35:35 <raster> flohack:  looking at src might - but u'll find it complicated
Dec 17 10:35:47 <raster> and as such a dict format change will probably remove the bug
Dec 17 10:35:48 <raster> :)
Dec 17 10:37:22 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: now at least iwlist eth0 scan fails
Dec 17 10:37:35 <flohack> raster: I'm quite experienced in C/C++, if you tell me the source file path, I'll have a look.
Dec 17 10:38:53 <raster> e_kbd_dict.c :)
Dec 17 10:38:57 <raster> it mmaps the file
Dec 17 10:38:57 <PaulFertser_> lindi-: iwlist eth0 scan fails for me every time with an obscure error message as well in case i don't have APs around.
Dec 17 10:39:12 <raster> builds a fast-lookup t6ablke fir 2 chars at the start of words
Dec 17 10:39:23 <raster> it then walks to find stuff
Dec 17 10:39:24 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: i have AP 7 meters away from me
Dec 17 10:39:30 <raster> this avoids an in-memory copy of the file as a tree
Dec 17 10:39:56 <raster> i would otherwise need a way to create a tree on-disk as a mmaped file which i didnt do for this format
Dec 17 10:39:57 <flohack> raster: cheers! I'll give it a try (may take a few days, need to fetch a few christmas gifts)
Dec 17 10:40:04 <raster> as i tried to stick to an easy-to-create dict format
Dec 17 10:40:14 <PaulFertser_> lindi-: Oh, ok then. I'll try to compile the newest kernel later today and use the sysfs node and will report the results here.
Dec 17 10:40:22 <raster> the problem is basically the matchingh code doesnt handle utf8 char sequences right when matching
Dec 17 10:40:30 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: this is 2.6.28-GTA02_lindi-andy-tracking_de473ca893c9285a-mokodev
Dec 17 10:40:36 <raster> it uses an iterative match approach too with caches for speedups
Dec 17 10:40:58 <flohack> raster: Thanks for the explanation!
Dec 17 10:41:47 <flohack> raster: Which branch should I work with?
Dec 17 10:42:07 <flohack> raster: Is SHR testing fine (that's what I currently have on the phone)
Dec 17 10:51:17 <PaulFertser_> lindi-: heh, my bad. My kernel is also newer than the patch i mentioned. So sysfs entry should work for me :-/ but i still see eth0 in iwconfig output. Weird.
Dec 17 10:56:39 <raster> flohack: errr.... enlightenment.org svn
Dec 17 10:56:45 <raster> we dont have branches
Dec 17 10:59:26 <flohack> raster: That's where the patch should end up, sure. Is there a howto to compile the illume keyboard on a desktop machine?
Dec 17 11:01:07 <raster> no howto needed
Dec 17 11:01:10 <raster> it just "Works"
Dec 17 11:01:21 <viq> Is 15 dec SHR testing safe to upgrade, or should I flash?
Dec 17 11:01:25 <raster> same as all autofoo stuff
Dec 17 11:01:40 <raster> use easy_e17.sh or get_e.sh to just get svn and compile/install
Dec 17 11:03:41 <flohack> raster: Ok, thanks!
Dec 17 12:19:06 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r1b616cefa90a 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py): otimed: add simple timesync to NTP and GPS
Dec 17 12:23:28 <viq> ooo, this sounds useful
Dec 17 12:46:39 <Ainulindale> Yay!
Dec 17 12:46:44 <Ainulindale> Proxy 0 - Ainulindale 1
Dec 17 12:47:39 <viq> hah, how so?
Dec 17 12:47:59 <PaulFertser_> Ainulindale: congrats :) BTW, do you know that you can have apache serving https contents over 443 port and at the same time it can act as HTTP CONNECT proxy working over SSL. But it needs a small patch, unfortunately.
Dec 17 12:48:01 <Ainulindale> (I'm at a client's)
Dec 17 12:48:33 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser_: well, my VPN listens on every port
Dec 17 12:49:12 <PaulFertser_> Some evil corporate proxies don't allow http connect access to any port other than 443.
Dec 17 12:50:02 <PaulFertser_> And if you reserve you 443 for VPN, you'll need another ip to serve https ;)
Dec 17 12:50:39 <Ainulindale> that's what I have =)
Dec 17 12:55:22 <Hire> oh god
Dec 17 12:55:25 <Hire> ainulindale is alive
Dec 17 13:06:46 <Soulnoob> I flashed shr-lite from today and for some reason ophonekitd wasnt started at boot. Manually starting it for now.
Dec 17 13:08:57 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rc8057d6f2151 10/src/zhone: display current timezone
Dec 17 13:16:13 <Ainulindale> Soulnoob: There may be a dbus race issue
Dec 17 13:16:17 <Ainulindale> But that will be fixed, don't worry
Dec 17 13:54:44 <kd8ikt> blacks/whites fighting again?
Dec 17 14:02:59 <Ainulindale> I aaaaaaaaaaam a lumberjack and I'm okay !
Dec 17 14:03:11 <Soulnoob> Ainulindale: I'll not worry =) 
Dec 17 14:03:52 <mwester> I work aaaaalll niiiiight and I sleep all day....
Dec 17 14:05:10 <Ainulindale> Heh
Dec 17 14:05:20 <Ainulindale> See, when I'm at work or at a client's, I always work hard.
Dec 17 14:05:23 * Ainulindale coughs
Dec 17 14:05:37 <Soulnoob> It's a wee bit early for reporting a bug with it, but just mentioning it gives me some kind of peace over cristmas. ^*^
Dec 17 14:05:39 <sicu> You put on women's clothing And hang around in bars ?
Dec 17 14:06:48 <DocScrutinizer> pringle jells, pringle jells....
Dec 17 14:07:05 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: hey
Dec 17 14:07:11 <Ainulindale> Is Wolfgang asleep or what? :-)
Dec 17 14:07:44 <DocScrutinizer> he probably won't sleep for the next three days, so much hassle today ;-)
Dec 17 14:07:55 <Ainulindale> Heh
Dec 17 14:08:07 <Ainulindale> I was expecting a call, I was wondering whether he forgot me or not
Dec 17 14:18:10 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: you're spamming me
Dec 17 14:18:16 <Ainulindale> dolf1074: please select the category
Dec 17 14:18:19 <Ainulindale> it's not shr image
Dec 17 14:19:16 <dolf1074> I can't change it anymore
Dec 17 14:19:36 <Ainulindale> I know
Dec 17 14:19:41 <Ainulindale> But mind that next time :-)
Dec 17 14:19:49 <dolf1074> I will
Dec 17 14:20:04 <dolf1074> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=popRpaZG1txGaO8aIgaMNLg
Dec 17 14:20:11 <dolf1074> an more organized thing ;)
Dec 17 14:43:02 <sicu> hehe, dolf1074 on a ticket frenzy =]
Dec 17 14:43:15 <dolf1074> yep
Dec 17 14:43:19 <Dave> Woohoo!
Dec 17 14:43:28 <sicu> good job ;]
Dec 17 14:43:40 <Dave> drop 'em like it's hot
Dec 17 14:48:29 <sicu> =]
Dec 17 14:50:46 <sicu> 200 tickets, good excuse for a party? =]
Dec 17 14:51:46 <dolf1074> for me it was an excuse to do something else for a while ;)
Dec 17 15:01:20 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer?
Dec 17 15:49:28 <Dave> Joerg, appear!
Dec 17 15:49:29 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: Is there already a easier way to switch to a local development, so you don't have to do http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Getting%20started%20developing%20SHR ?
Dec 17 15:50:22 <Ainulindale> Check shr.bbclass
Dec 17 15:50:25 <Ainulindale> You'll see
Dec 17 15:50:27 <Ainulindale> It's explicit
Dec 17 15:52:05 <dolf1074> thanks
Dec 17 15:52:38 <Ainulindale> If you could modify the page by the way... :-)
Dec 17 15:52:50 <dolf1074> okay
Dec 17 16:02:47 <Dave> haha
Dec 17 16:03:13 <Dave> Well, I can officially say the Freerunner makes one of the worst Christmas gifts you can get for someone this holiday season!
Dec 17 16:05:31 <Sargun> Stupid DBUS question: how do you unexport a object/delete an object?
Dec 17 16:05:37 <Sargun> Dave, Ha, that's not very nice.
Dec 17 16:06:05 <DocScrutinizer> scotty, are these the right coordinates? We don't see any form of live down here
Dec 17 16:06:32 <DocScrutinizer> scotyy, beam me up again!
Dec 17 16:06:51 <Sargun> I'm sorry, but I can't let you do that
Dec 17 16:06:54 * Sargun zips away
Dec 17 16:06:58 * DocScrutinizer disappears... >>draaaaannnnnnggggg<<
Dec 17 16:07:36 * Sargun tosses DocScrutinizer off the boart
Dec 17 16:09:21 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: meh :-)
Dec 17 16:20:40 <DocScrutinizer> Zaphod, can you handle this ship? Are you sure? See where it got us now...!
Dec 17 16:21:22 <DocScrutinizer> Aaaaarg, even Vogons around over there!
Dec 17 16:21:27 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: There's 1 out of 12890791237891912873901 chance you're going to end up your ass
Dec 17 16:22:00 <DocScrutinizer> so *probably* it's been the only place this ship could bring us anyway
Dec 17 16:22:43 <DocScrutinizer> Well, and now...?
Dec 17 16:23:53 <mwester> 42
Dec 17 16:24:02 <BluesLee> sure
Dec 17 16:24:03 <mwester> and a pot of petunias
Dec 17 16:25:26 <BluesLee> anyone tried the mplayer binary using vo glamo ...
Dec 17 16:27:01 <Dave> there's a glamo driver? :O
Dec 17 16:28:02 <BluesLee> http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/
Dec 17 16:28:38 <BluesLee> 320x240 is okay, but all videos stop after more or less 30 secs
Dec 17 16:29:15 <BluesLee> i turned off auto suspend in frameworkd conf and all other suspend options in illume and settings
Dec 17 16:29:27 <Dave> I use mplayer, but never with glamo, because there was never a driver for it
Dec 17 16:29:30 <Dave> or working one
Dec 17 16:29:45 <Dave> I do use -framedrop though
Dec 17 16:29:53 <Dave> which makes it run better
Dec 17 16:29:53 <BluesLee> the default one doesnt play my videos
Dec 17 16:29:58 <Dave> sucky
Dec 17 16:30:45 <BluesLee> Dave: can you try that binary?
Dec 17 16:31:24 <BluesLee> dave: http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/mplayer-glamo.tar.bz2
Dec 17 16:32:11 <Dave> uhh
Dec 17 16:32:22 <Dave> is that a special packaging of mplayer, with glamo support?
Dec 17 16:32:29 <Dave> and yes, I can.
Dec 17 16:34:48 <BluesLee> Dave: thanx, maybe it works well for you
Dec 17 16:35:19 <Dave> What video do you want me to test with it?
Dec 17 16:35:33 <BluesLee> Dave: test your videos
Dec 17 16:35:35 <Dave> I typically use video streams with mplayer
Dec 17 16:35:42 <Dave> and they work fine without the glamo
Dec 17 16:35:52 <Dave> relatively fine, anyway :)
Dec 17 16:37:35 <Sargun> Dave, Yes we can.
Dec 17 16:38:12 * Dave throws a plastic lunch tray at Sargun
Dec 17 16:39:49 <BluesLee> Dave: where is mplayer located in the fs?
Dec 17 16:40:16 <BluesLee> it doesnt seem to be in my path
Dec 17 16:41:07 <Dave> huh?
Dec 17 16:41:12 <Dave> THe binary you just sent me?
Dec 17 16:42:15 <BluesLee> no
Dec 17 16:42:19 <Dave> The video isn't working for me, under that binary, but possibly because I'm missing something? o.O
Dec 17 16:42:56 <BluesLee> mplayer -vo xover:glamo -fs
Dec 17 16:43:02 <Dave> aha
Dec 17 16:43:20 <Dave> xover:glamo, is that the name? o.O
Dec 17 16:43:29 <lindi-> BluesLee: did you compile it yourself?
Dec 17 16:43:48 <lindi-> BluesLee: i'd like to propose inclusion of that patch upstream and/or debian
Dec 17 16:44:03 <BluesLee> lindi-: no!
Dec 17 16:44:09 <Dave> haha
Dec 17 16:44:13 <Dave> No yet, I take it ;)
Dec 17 16:44:57 <BluesLee> lindi-: i didnt compiled it, the italian guy on the above page did it and the original work is of balrog-kun
Dec 17 16:45:42 <BluesLee> Dave: there is something wrong with my video i guess, the default one also freezes
Dec 17 16:45:47 <Zorkman> bzzbot who is Dave ?
Dec 17 16:45:47 <bzzbot> hmm... dave is someone who is being chased by Lazy Lulu
Dec 17 16:46:14 <BluesLee> Dave: can you point me to a small video which works for you
Dec 17 16:46:14 <Dave> retesting
Dec 17 16:46:23 <Dave> sure, give me a few minues
Dec 17 16:47:29 <BluesLee> i have no problem with the video on the desktop
Dec 17 16:47:57 <BluesLee> suspend=0 in frameworkd.conf is correct to turn off auto suspend?
Dec 17 16:53:08 <sicu> yes
Dec 17 16:53:20 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r75b2a9f37610 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/powercontrol_neo.py: 
Dec 17 16:53:20 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: odeviced: powercontrol_neo: use kernel-agnostic sysfs path
Dec 17 16:53:20 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: remove super() calls and limit scanning to the one directory where we expect the device nodes
Dec 17 16:56:44 <Dave> hmm
Dec 17 16:58:01 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r79984a6f78dd 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: ogpsd: om: use kernel-agnostic sysfs node path
Dec 17 16:58:17 <BluesLee> Dave: hmmm?
Dec 17 16:59:25 <Dave> hmm one sec
Dec 17 16:59:34 <Dave> video isn't working on this shr install at all
Dec 17 16:59:45 <Dave> I'm going to test on another freerunner
Dec 17 16:59:47 <BluesLee> hehe
Dec 17 17:01:19 <bumbl> haha
Dec 17 17:01:29 <bumbl> the power of multiple freerunners
Dec 17 17:01:37 <Zorkman> is multiple failure
Dec 17 17:01:40 <Zorkman> :)
Dec 17 17:01:41 <bumbl> if they don't drive you mad you have the power
Dec 17 17:01:47 <BluesLee> :-)
Dec 17 17:01:59 <Zorkman> you have the power, but they suck it :)
Dec 17 17:02:05 <bumbl> zeh poweer
Dec 17 17:02:12 <Dave> Hey, I can parallel my failure now :D
Dec 17 17:02:19 <Dave> they work as a swarm, and fail as one!
Dec 17 17:02:29 <bumbl> haha
Dec 17 17:02:33 <Zorkman> fail at once :)
Dec 17 17:02:34 <Dave> Behold!
Dec 17 17:03:23 <Zorkman> i'm beholding
Dec 17 17:03:54 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd22d3d504965 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/accelerometer.py: odeviced: accelerometer: use sysfs path agnostic to kernel version
Dec 17 17:04:33 <PaulFertser_> mickeyl: Good evening :) BTW, we'll soon have /sys/devices/platform/gta02-pm-wlan.0/power_on to control wifi as well (i can't see it working atm, but it'll be resolved, i hope).
Dec 17 17:06:50 <Dave> So, for working video, shouldn't the glamo driver have better performance overall?
Dec 17 17:07:05 <Dave> Blueslee, or for this are you just looking to see if it plays video at all? :)
Dec 17 17:07:37 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbf16e8d6f660 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: 
Dec 17 17:07:37 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: odeviced: kernel26: Don't dump exception if we can't register to the netlink object (multiple times)
Dec 17 17:07:37 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: It might have been successful the first time. This code will be changed soon anyways, we're going
Dec 17 17:07:37 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: to introduce a kobject multiplexer in the framework services.
Dec 17 17:07:38 <Zorkman> who did http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/150de88d6c859e1d35a09e3105331b85.png  ?
Dec 17 17:07:41 <BluesLee> i thought that the default one would be to slow so i tried directly the glamo one
Dec 17 17:08:00 <Dave> okay
Dec 17 17:08:28 <PaulFertser_> mickeyl: Also i started to use HEAD and found a bug in SMS handling. It seems to be a typo though i'm not sure. Proposed fix is at http://pastebin.com/m24df684f . alphaone saw it but haven't made a decision.
Dec 17 17:10:45 <PaulFertser_> mickeyl: And i've recently provided some strange logs where the phone refuses to suspend because the command to disable unsolicited response timed out. I've got a gsm0710muxd log for this case also. I'd like to hear what should i do further to help to debug it and what should i do if i see it again.
Dec 17 17:10:49 <mickeyl> PaulFertser_: (wlan/power_on) excellent, can't wait to see that
Dec 17 17:11:09 <Dave> damn :\
Dec 17 17:11:30 <mickeyl> PaulFertser_: (sms handling) ok, leaving that to alphaone|gone 
Dec 17 17:11:47 <mickeyl> please attach the logs to a bug
Dec 17 17:11:53 <PaulFertser_> mickeyl: the driver to control wlan power is already in andy-tracking but for some obscure reason it doesn't seem to really disable wlan (i.e. it's still present in iwconfig).
Dec 17 17:12:12 <mickeyl> (wlan) i don't know whether it's supposed to really remove the interface
Dec 17 17:12:20 <mickeyl> like... the serial paths are still there if we disable gps
Dec 17 17:12:26 <mickeyl> it might just disable the RF portion
Dec 17 17:13:03 <PaulFertser_> Probably, yes. I haven't look at the schematics, but in the code it just mangles some bits.
Dec 17 17:13:03 <mickeyl> you don't have an RF analyzer around to check? :Ö)
Dec 17 17:13:31 <PaulFertser_> No ;) Just an AP i can turn on or off and see the difference in iwlist scan results ;)
Dec 17 17:13:41 <mickeyl> hehe
Dec 17 17:13:50 <mickeyl> good enough
Dec 17 17:13:51 <mickeyl> try ad-hoc mode
Dec 17 17:14:01 <BluesLee> Dave: whats the problem?
Dec 17 17:14:30 <PaulFertser_> And, BTW, we already have rfkill interface to the bluetooth. I think it'll soon be implemented for other RF portions as well.
Dec 17 17:15:19 <Dave> Well, apparently -vo xover:glamo doesn't play video for me
Dec 17 17:15:27 <Dave> if I remove it, the video plays fine
Dec 17 17:15:31 <PaulFertser_> I've no idea how to try ad-hoc mode with an AP and what for. I've a laptop though, i can try to use ad-hoc for testing, if you really need it. I can confirm that i've managed to use WPA successfully with an AP.
Dec 17 17:16:05 <BluesLee> Dave: okay, will try it
Dec 17 17:16:16 <Dave> it recognizes the video, but then when it plays the stream, it says video: none or something
Dec 17 17:16:40 <mickeyl> PaulFertser_: it will be sufficient to turn it into ad-hoc mode
Dec 17 17:16:50 <mickeyl> set an essid
Dec 17 17:16:50 <mickeyl> and then iwlist from somewhere else
Dec 17 17:16:55 <mickeyl> and then try to kill it
Dec 17 17:17:08 <mickeyl> and check whether the other side still sees beacons or not
Dec 17 17:17:12 <mickeyl> [i.e. iwlist again]
Dec 17 17:17:26 <mickeyl> like... no real connection necessary to setup 
Dec 17 17:20:56 <Dave> so this mplayer binary can't play video?
Dec 17 17:21:03 <PaulFertser> You might have missed my last messages -- i was forced to reconnect. Resending. 20:16 < PaulFertser_> mickeyl: And, one more: the new path for flow-control is  /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/flowcontrolled .
Dec 17 17:21:07 <PaulFertser> 20:18 < PaulFertser_> And i've got some curious logs for the case of flowcontrolled suspend/resume.  Resume was ok, but the incoming call was ignored. Never seen that without  flow-control (used ms4 before and jumped to HEAD now).
Dec 17 17:21:19 <Sargun_Screen> Dave: that does make it kind of ueless, doesn't it?
Dec 17 17:21:47 <Dave> I think that mplayer binary is crappy
Dec 17 17:21:47 * Sargun_Screen is having all sorts of fun writing odaemond.
Dec 17 17:22:07 <PaulFertser> And it's really cool you started to work on 2.6.28 compatibility, FSO will be the first distro to support it. :)
Dec 17 17:22:11 <Dave> oh goody
Dec 17 17:22:16 <Sargun_Screen> mickeyl: quick question: frameworkd is completely serial, right?
Dec 17 17:22:29 <Sargun_Screen> PaulFertser: no, debian will be
Dec 17 17:23:30 <PaulFertser> Sargun_Screen: Debian doesn't do anything with those sysfs paths anyway. So it's compatible from the beginning. But it doesn't make much sense without fso-framework :p
Dec 17 17:24:00 <Sargun_Screen> PaulFertser: we never said anything about -that-
Dec 17 17:24:11 <BluesLee> Dave: which options you use with the default one and how do you turn off dimming light?
Dec 17 17:24:38 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: (flow control) ah
Dec 17 17:24:46 <mickeyl> Sargun_Screen: serial in what regard?
Dec 17 17:24:56 <Ainulindale> Sheeeeesh, tired
Dec 17 17:25:21 <Sargun_Screen> mickeyl: as in no threading... the entire thing uses gobject timeouts
Dec 17 17:25:31 <mickeyl> Sargun_Screen: correct. we don't need threads
Dec 17 17:25:41 <mickeyl> everythign is nicely async
Dec 17 17:26:08 <Ainulindale> Hey mickeyl 
Dec 17 17:26:15 <Ainulindale> How went the abraxade? :-)
Dec 17 17:27:40 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5fbb82b69949 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/modem.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] use kernel-version agnostic sysfs path
Dec 17 17:27:58 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: not bad. we only had few time, since i had another meeting, but we agreed on some things
Dec 17 17:28:12 <Ainulindale> And that is?
Dec 17 17:28:42 <mickeyl> he'll sync the current tree with his changes before end of this year
Dec 17 17:28:49 <mickeyl> and write some basic docs
Dec 17 17:29:06 <mickeyl> mid-february he'll start working part-time for OM
Dec 17 17:29:11 <mickeyl> on opimd
Dec 17 17:29:23 <bumbl> excellent 
Dec 17 17:29:42 <mickeyl> basic functionality seems to work, so we can start using opimd after he synced
Dec 17 17:29:54 <bumbl> and i heard he wants to integrate opimd into pyneo ...  what's with that plan?
Dec 17 17:30:00 <mickeyl> no idea, not interested in that
Dec 17 17:30:13 <mickeyl> we'll pay him only for the FSO parts, of course
Dec 17 17:30:16 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: so how long for it to be usable, in your opinion?
Dec 17 17:30:33 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: usable is relative, like i said basic contacts and messages should work already
Dec 17 17:30:44 <mickeyl> no idea how feature rich
Dec 17 17:30:52 <mickeyl> he promised to be a bit more "present"
Dec 17 17:31:00 <mickeyl> but he's really in the end of his studies
Dec 17 17:31:04 <mickeyl> until mid09
Dec 17 17:31:37 <Ainulindale> So, we should have these usable functionnalities for... ? :-)
Dec 17 17:32:32 <mickeyl> contacts
Dec 17 17:32:33 <mickeyl> messages
Dec 17 17:32:45 <Ainulindale> well I was expecting an ETA :-)
Dec 17 17:32:49 <mickeyl> ah
Dec 17 17:32:50 <mickeyl> already
Dec 17 17:33:04 <mickeyl> although there are some diffs between his code and git
Dec 17 17:33:20 <Ainulindale> Hmmmm
Dec 17 17:33:20 <mickeyl> i'd advise waiting until zhone adds some testing code
Dec 17 17:33:25 <Hire> Ainulindale: you have to wait the end of this year
Dec 17 17:33:35 <Hire> so abraxa can sync opimd with his changes
Dec 17 17:34:13 <Ainulindale> Sigh', I'm a bit tired today by the size of the tasks we have to do
Dec 17 17:34:19 <Dave> BluesLee, I just typically use -playlist and -framedrop
Dec 17 17:34:36 <Dave> and I turn off any and all apm when actually watching stuff
Dec 17 17:34:56 <BluesLee> Dave: my neo dims automatically
Dec 17 17:35:06 <Dave> turn that off
Dec 17 17:35:13 <BluesLee> Dave: where?
Dec 17 17:35:37 <BluesLee> illume power? did that ...
Dec 17 17:36:13 <Ainulindale> Well
Dec 17 17:36:31 <Ainulindale> I'm going to go down the restaurant of my hotel and eat a huge meal with a big bottle of red wine, and I'll feel better I think
Dec 17 17:36:45 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: no
Dec 17 17:37:06 <Ainulindale> No what?
Dec 17 17:37:16 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: you want feel better
Dec 17 17:37:41 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: as the size of the tasks will still be there
Dec 17 17:38:02 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: but i will eat something;-)
Dec 17 17:38:08 <BluesLee> good idea
Dec 17 17:38:11 <white_gecko> hello i have a question about ticket #180 (http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/180) of shr, because tangogps tells me "no GPS", when agpsui is not runnig
Dec 17 17:39:19 <Ainulindale> Well, any way, I'm in a bad mood 
Dec 17 17:39:34 <Dave> Blueslee, is there no "Power management" in SHR?
Dec 17 17:39:47 <Dave> Ainu, I hope it doesn't have anythin to do with us, or openmoko :)
Dec 17 17:39:59 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: go, eat something, its a good idea, i was just joking 
Dec 17 17:40:04 <Ainulindale> Dave: not at all
Dec 17 17:40:16 <Dave> phew :)
Dec 17 17:40:18 <mwester> Ainulindale:  are you not at home, then?
Dec 17 17:40:21 <Dave> SPeaking of which, I should too
Dec 17 17:40:29 <Ainulindale> It's just that I'm a bit tired trying to be everywhere
Dec 17 17:40:36 <Ainulindale> mwester: nope, at a client's
Dec 17 17:40:44 <Ainulindale> and right now at the hotel in fact
Dec 17 17:41:11 <mwester> Ok, well, business travel is a necessary evil.  Hope things go well for you with the client. :)
Dec 17 17:41:28 <Ainulindale> Yeah, everything is well plus they allow me to spend 50 euros on a single meal
Dec 17 17:41:35 <Ainulindale> And I make good use of that, trust me
Dec 17 17:41:38 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: wow
Dec 17 17:41:38 <mwester> :-O
Dec 17 17:41:53 <BluesLee> Ainulindale: are you in arabia?
Dec 17 17:42:00 <Ainulindale> I just feel tired because it's hard to have two "jobs" at a time :-)
Dec 17 17:42:07 * mwester usually gets 50 USD for *all* meal and personal expenses per day.
Dec 17 17:42:11 <Ainulindale> Nope, France
Dec 17 17:42:28 <BluesLee> france is expensive, 50 euros are okay i think
Dec 17 17:42:28 * mwester decides to look for a customer in France.
Dec 17 17:42:32 <Ainulindale> mwester: well 120 euros for the hotel, 50 euros per meal, plus the taxi
Dec 17 17:42:34 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: well, no
Dec 17 17:42:45 <BluesLee> compared to germany
Dec 17 17:42:46 <Ainulindale> 50 for a meal is reaaaaaaally good :-)
Dec 17 17:42:57 <Ainulindale> (I'm talking "gastronomie" good there)
Dec 17 17:43:01 <Dave> mwester, damn
Dec 17 17:43:13 <mwester> Get a good steak, then!  None of those snails today, Ainulindale!
Dec 17 17:43:18 <mwester> :P
Dec 17 17:43:20 <Dave> mazzelpik :p
Dec 17 17:43:20 <BluesLee> i will go and eat something 
Dec 17 17:43:26 <BluesLee> bye
Dec 17 17:43:43 <Ainulindale> I set my heart on some boudin blanc aux morilles, some tournedos with nuts & roquefort, and didn't decide yet for desert
Dec 17 17:43:55 <Dave> :)
Dec 17 17:43:59 <mwester> Sounds really good.
Dec 17 17:44:02 <Ainulindale> Well
Dec 17 17:44:05 <mwester> What kind of wine?
Dec 17 17:44:08 <Ainulindale> I just like to eat good food
Dec 17 17:44:22 <Ainulindale> Red. Probably some Madiran or Graves.
Dec 17 17:44:35 <Ainulindale> (Gotta love the tanins!)
Dec 17 17:44:59 <Ainulindale> By the way mwester 
Dec 17 17:45:02 <Ainulindale> I whined about you today
Dec 17 17:45:09 <Dave> hehe
Dec 17 17:45:16 * Dave hands Ainulindale some cheese
Dec 17 17:45:18 <mwester> uhoh
Dec 17 17:45:20 <Ainulindale> I told Wolfgang I didn't understand why they didn't hire you at OM
Dec 17 17:45:30 <mwester> heh!  Because I make Andy too upset. 
Dec 17 17:45:36 <Ainulindale> Maybe =)
Dec 17 17:45:52 <Ainulindale> And to end this discussion about meals and wines
Dec 17 17:45:55 <stefan_schmidt> mwester: Well, I would see this as a positive aspect ;)
Dec 17 17:46:01 <mwester> hehe!
Dec 17 17:46:03 <Ainulindale> I'm used to do a big meal once in a while with a friend who's a former cook
Dec 17 17:46:20 <Ainulindale> Last time I think we spent ~200 euros for both of us
Dec 17 17:46:26 <Ainulindale> (With roughly 120 euros of wine)
Dec 17 17:46:35 <Ainulindale> (I slept soundly that night)
Dec 17 17:46:45 <mwester> And now I'm hungry!  and need to go find some lunch!  (but not that bit a meal!)
Dec 17 17:46:52 <mwester> s/bit/big/
Dec 17 17:46:52 <bzzbot> mwester meant: And now I'm hungry!  and need to go find some lunch!  (but not that big a meal!)
Dec 17 17:47:05 <Ainulindale> heh
Dec 17 17:47:39 <Ainulindale> mwester: good food and culture are the only thing I love about France, I might as well take advantage of that :-)
Dec 17 17:47:55 <Dave> poor OM
Dec 17 17:47:58 <Zorkman> anybody els eusing OMNewRotate?
Dec 17 17:48:06 <Zorkman> when using that my eightball stops working
Dec 17 17:48:16 <Zorkman> i think it doesn't like sharing the accelerometers
Dec 17 17:48:47 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: ask again later
Dec 17 17:48:53 * Ainulindale whistles and flees
Dec 17 17:48:59 <Dave> :)
Dec 17 17:50:12 <Zorkman> hehe
Dec 17 17:50:40 <Zorkman> i can always touch my eightball to get an answer, but it just doesn't feel the same anymore :)
Dec 17 17:52:26 <Zorkman> anyone any ideao when the .28 kernel will be fully ready for SHR use?
Dec 17 17:58:20 <Hire> good food? France? What?
Dec 17 17:59:55 <bumbl> Zorkman: when fso switches to it
Dec 17 18:00:00 <bumbl> +
Dec 17 18:00:05 <bumbl> last time i tried
Dec 17 18:00:22 <bumbl> eightball + omnewrotate worked together perfectly
Dec 17 18:00:39 <bumbl> although it sometimes turned the screen accidently while shaking
Dec 17 18:05:25 <Dave> Ghost in the device!
Dec 17 18:07:36 <Zorkman> bumbl: not here :( maybe i'll try to reinstall it....
Dec 17 18:07:40 <Zorkman> g2g watch the simpsons :)
Dec 17 18:10:42 <bumbl> Zorkman: was a former revision of omnewrotate and shr
Dec 17 18:13:47 <Dave> Hmm
Dec 17 18:19:02 <Dave> Anyone tried DOSBOX on the Freerunner?
Dec 17 18:26:30 <sicu> didn't bother trying since someone said the emulator was slow and needed optimization :/
Dec 17 18:27:08 <bumbl> there is something on the neo which does not need optimizations?
Dec 17 18:27:17 <sicu> ;p
Dec 17 18:28:51 <bumbl> ah yes there is
Dec 17 18:28:56 <bumbl> omoocow
Dec 17 18:40:14 <lindi-> why would one need dosbox on fr?
Dec 17 18:46:41 <Dave> hah
Dec 17 18:46:54 <Dave> Lindi, why, to run the best games of all time, but on the freerunner?
Dec 17 18:47:25 <Dave> I just happened upon a really great old game which would be very feasible to play on the fr, at least because it was simple, required no cpu, and all it used to play was the left click :)
Dec 17 18:48:11 <lindi-> Dave: you port it
Dec 17 18:48:41 <Dave> I don't have the source.
Dec 17 18:49:05 <Dave> Otherwise I would have already osrc'ed it.
Dec 17 18:53:29 <lindi-> Dave: get the source :)
Dec 17 18:53:40 <lindi-> Dave: that's what i did with my favourite game
Dec 17 18:54:43 <Dave> How did you leverage the copyright holders?
Dec 17 18:54:50 <Dave> or did you bribe the old developers? :)
Dec 17 18:57:16 <lindi-> Dave: i attended the same university 10 after i had played the game for the first time
Dec 17 18:57:21 <lindi-> s/10/10 years/
Dec 17 18:57:21 <bzzbot> lindi- meant: Dave: i attended the same university 10 years after i had played the game for the first time
Dec 17 18:58:17 <sicu> Dave: back to school for you then ;p
Dec 17 18:59:28 <lindi-> there should be official release soon, it just lacks small things like fixing the documentation
Dec 17 19:00:00 <Dave> hmm
Dec 17 19:00:16 <Dave> Anything more to say? Recommendations?
Dec 17 19:00:27 <lindi-> Dave: which game is it?
Dec 17 19:00:47 <lindi-> if it is really old the original authors might just let you port it
Dec 17 19:00:52 <Dave> right
Dec 17 19:01:05 <Dave> I was thinking of getting a hold of them.
Dec 17 19:01:09 <Dave> Provided they're still alive ;)
Dec 17 19:01:20 <bumbl> haha
Dec 17 19:01:42 <bumbl> wtf
Dec 17 19:02:47 <bumbl> the Fed lowers the base rate to zero
Dec 17 19:02:57 <Dave> I thought it was negative
Dec 17 19:03:06 <bumbl> wtf
Dec 17 19:03:18 <bumbl> Dave: imho it is negative
Dec 17 19:03:19 <Dave> oh wait, that's the mortgage rate, sorry ;)
Dec 17 19:04:01 * bumbl smells inflation
Dec 17 19:04:08 * Dave smells bacon
Dec 17 19:06:28 <TAsn> is anyone registered to the SHR trac?
Dec 17 19:06:40 <Dave> Affirmative
Dec 17 19:06:41 <TAsn> I'm too lazy to register and I want to past a suggestion ;]
Dec 17 19:06:45 <Dave> haha
Dec 17 19:06:53 <Dave> You sound like me, now :)
Dec 17 19:07:00 <TAsn> hehe, but you registered.
Dec 17 19:07:01 <TAsn> ;]
Dec 17 19:07:13 <Dave> after a long time of not bothering
Dec 17 19:07:22 <Dave> because I didn't give that much of a shit :)
Dec 17 19:07:23 <bumbl> Dave: get out of mcd
Dec 17 19:07:28 <Dave> same with the ml's
Dec 17 19:07:57 <TAsn> anyhow, I want the default text in the messages app removed or a clear text button or just both ;]
Dec 17 19:08:14 <Dave> yeah wouldn't that be nice? :)
Dec 17 19:08:21 <Dave> stupid incoveniencing crap
Dec 17 19:09:48 <bumbl> TAsn: isn't it in the unstable image?
Dec 17 19:10:20 <TAsn> I don't use the unstable image
Dec 17 19:10:22 <TAsn> so don't ask em ;]
Dec 17 19:10:24 <TAsn> me*
Dec 17 19:11:26 <mrmoku> TAsn: it's gone in the unstable at least
Dec 17 19:11:35 <Dave> :)
Dec 17 19:11:42 <Dave> mrmoku would know...
Dec 17 19:11:45 <Dave> he's unstable :)
Dec 17 19:11:58 <mrmoku> very much so ;)
Dec 17 19:12:37 * mrmoku needs an unstable phone to not get disturbed by phone calls :p
Dec 17 19:12:53 <mrmoku> thats why I bought a freerunner :-)
Dec 17 19:13:33 <Hire> me too
Dec 17 19:13:41 * Hire wants a beer
Dec 17 19:14:31 * mrmoku sends Hire some good german beer
Dec 17 19:15:31 * Hire appreciates
Dec 17 19:15:42 <Dave> :D
Dec 17 19:15:43 <bumbl> mrmoku: send him czech beer
Dec 17 19:15:51 * Dave sends everyone snow
Dec 17 19:16:00 <bumbl> today it snowed
Dec 17 19:16:07 <Dave> Finally!
Dec 17 19:16:35 <bumbl> yep
Dec 17 19:16:38 * mwester is totally sick of snow already -- it's not even winter yet.
Dec 17 19:16:46 <bumbl> xmas will be white
Dec 17 19:17:08 <mwester> and cold.
Dec 17 19:17:09 * bumbl aims and throws a snowball at mwester 
Dec 17 19:17:12 <bumbl> :p
Dec 17 19:17:19 <Dave> and radioactive?
Dec 17 19:17:22 <mwester> bonechilling, miserable, brutal cold... 
Dec 17 19:17:34 <Dave> and freerunner will still be regrettably unstable :[
Dec 17 19:17:36 <bumbl> hmm
Dec 17 19:17:37 <mwester> But hey - should prevent WSoD's, right?
Dec 17 19:17:42 <Dave> haha
Dec 17 19:17:53 <mwester> freerunner unstable?  is there any other way?
Dec 17 19:19:33 <mrmoku> bumbl: why czech beer?
Dec 17 19:19:54 <Dave> Mwester, you'd be out of a job ;)
Dec 17 19:20:07 <Dave> if one could even call it that :\
Dec 17 19:21:20 <bumbl> mrmoku: budweiser is one of the best beers I ever drunk
Dec 17 19:21:52 <bumbl> s/I ever drunk/I have ever drunken/
Dec 17 19:21:53 <bzzbot> bumbl meant: mrmoku: budweiser is one of the best beers I have ever drunken
Dec 17 19:22:48 <Dave> ROFL
Dec 17 19:22:49 <bumbl> german beer is not that good (they have some decent beer around munich but the local beer in berlin sucks (e.g. the famous berliner kindl)
Dec 17 19:22:52 <bumbl> )
Dec 17 19:23:04 <Dave> Belgian beer?
Dec 17 19:23:18 <bumbl> baeh
Dec 17 19:23:25 * mrmoku lives in municht :-)
Dec 17 19:23:27 <mrmoku> -t
Dec 17 19:23:27 <Dave> hah
Dec 17 19:23:46 <bumbl> mrmoku: ah augustiner chorherrenbraeu
Dec 17 19:24:07 <mrmoku> yep Augustinger would be a good one
Dec 17 19:24:09 <mrmoku> -g
Dec 17 19:24:15 <mrmoku> damn fingers
Dec 17 19:24:30 <Dave> longgermanwords
Dec 17 19:24:45 <bumbl> :p
Dec 17 19:25:03 <Hire> meno parole e più babbà 
Dec 17 19:25:11 <Dave> ¬_¬
Dec 17 19:25:13 <bumbl> A Sprachverständiskonflikt
Dec 17 19:25:16 <Dave> No one asked you, italia
Dec 17 19:25:25 <Hire> racist 
Dec 17 19:25:59 * mrmoku sends Hire a crate of Augustiner to convince him to do some nice artwork
Dec 17 19:26:16 <Hire> why not? :)
Dec 17 19:26:44 <Hire> do you want know my adress?
Dec 17 19:26:45 <Dave> :D
Dec 17 19:27:09 <Dave> Hire, are you black AND italian?
Dec 17 19:27:56 * mrmoku decided to drink all Augustiner himself :p
Dec 17 19:28:21 <Dave> :P
Dec 17 19:28:29 <Dave> gedronken
Dec 17 19:29:27 <Hire> no
Dec 17 19:29:37 <Hire> i am italian AND white AND beatiful
Dec 17 19:30:08 <bumbl> and arrogant :p
Dec 17 19:30:09 * bumbl ducks and runs
Dec 17 19:30:45 <TAsn> bumbl, all the italians are arrogant
Dec 17 19:31:15 <TAsn> though they rock, so that's fine ;]
Dec 17 19:31:36 <bumbl> at least all italian teenagers I know are
Dec 17 19:32:25 <Dave> hahahaha
Dec 17 19:32:27 <Dave> obviously :P
Dec 17 19:39:03 <Ainulindale> aaaaaaargh
Dec 17 19:39:31 <bumbl> ?
Dec 17 19:39:42 <sicu> Ainulindale: i take it the meal and wine didn't cure your day :/
Dec 17 19:40:13 <Ainulindale> Yes it did
Dec 17 19:40:21 <Ainulindale> But now my stomach hurts
Dec 17 19:40:24 <Ainulindale> I ate too much
Dec 17 19:40:27 <bumbl> haha
Dec 17 19:40:37 <Ainulindale> Man it was sooo goood
Dec 17 19:40:45 <bumbl> what did you eat?
Dec 17 19:40:52 <Ainulindale> (and I'm a bit drunk too, but nevermind)
Dec 17 19:40:55 <Ainulindale> at my hotel
Dec 17 19:41:04 <Ainulindale> It's supposed to be a 2* restaurants
Dec 17 19:41:05 <Ainulindale> -s
Dec 17 19:41:25 <Hire> ahaha
Dec 17 19:41:27 <Hire> drunk? you?
Dec 17 19:41:31 <Hire> with a glass of wine? :)
Dec 17 19:41:39 <sicu> haha .. the pros and cons of gluttony
Dec 17 19:42:27 <Ainulindale> Err
Dec 17 19:42:30 <Ainulindale> A bottle, Hire 
Dec 17 19:42:38 <Ainulindale> Plus a beer
Dec 17 19:42:44 * bumbl thinks back to the calzoni piccanti he ate today
Dec 17 19:43:04 <Hire> only a bottle? :D
Dec 17 19:43:14 <mwester> He didn't say what size.
Dec 17 19:43:21 <Hire> 1 lt
Dec 17 19:43:22 <flohack_temp> Hi! Could someone please point me to the svn path for illume? http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/illume as mentioned on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume does not exist anymore
Dec 17 19:43:25 <Hire> i think :)
Dec 17 19:43:29 <Hire> and a small beer
Dec 17 19:43:34 <Ainulindale> 75cl
Dec 17 19:43:35 <Hire> without malt :D
Dec 17 19:43:37 <mrmoku> Bier auf Wein, das lass sein ;)
Dec 17 19:44:54 <bumbl> was ist mit wein auf bier?
Dec 17 19:44:55 <Zorkman> bier na wijn is venijn :)
Dec 17 19:45:06 <Zorkman> wijn na bier is plezier
Dec 17 19:45:07 <mrmoku> bumbl: das rat ich dir :)
Dec 17 19:45:07 <sicu> flohack_temp: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/e/src/modules/illume
Dec 17 19:45:21 <Hire> ya ya ya ya
Dec 17 19:45:22 <bumbl> mrmoku: jep, das hat noch nie geschadet
Dec 17 19:45:37 <Ainulindale> Damn now I can't understand a thing
Dec 17 19:45:38 <Zorkman> it's something that dates way back, because beer was much cheaper than wine
Dec 17 19:45:46 <Ainulindale> Hence I'll talk in french from now on
Dec 17 19:45:49 <mrmoku> hehe, it's not the wines fault me thinks
Dec 17 19:45:56 <Ainulindale> Et j'aurais tendance à dire que je vous pisse, non mais, oh.
Dec 17 19:46:00 <Zorkman> if you drank wine at the end of the night it meant you had something to celebrate/enough money ==> a good time
Dec 17 19:46:04 <mwester> oui oui!  Je comprende!
Dec 17 19:46:15 <Zorkman> if you started drinking wine but didn't have enough money for beer ==> not a good time
Dec 17 19:46:18 <Ainulindale> mwester: "Je comprends"
Dec 17 19:46:26 <Ainulindale> And the worst thing is
Dec 17 19:46:37 <mwester> :(  I have shamed my High School French teacher yet again.
Dec 17 19:46:38 <Ainulindale> THe punctuation is different
Dec 17 19:46:39 <flohack_temp> sicu: Thanks!
Dec 17 19:46:46 <Ainulindale> "Yes!" => "Oui !"
Dec 17 19:47:10 <Ainulindale> (spaces before complex punctuation signs, and after them. No space before simple punctuation signs.)
Dec 17 19:47:19 <Zorkman> grace a OM on apprend des langues
Dec 17 19:47:24 <sicu> flohack_temp: sorry, gave you the trunk browser path, but i'm sure you already figured that out ;p
Dec 17 19:47:33 <flohack_temp> sicu: I changed the wiki accordingly
Dec 17 19:47:37 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: what would I have to do, to be enabled to close tickets?
Dec 17 19:47:39 <flohack_temp> sicu: Sure
Dec 17 19:47:48 <Zorkman> mrmoku: fix them ;)
Dec 17 19:47:49 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: ask me the right to
Dec 17 19:47:58 <Ainulindale> This implies getting down on your kneeds pleading
Dec 17 19:48:05 <Ainulindale> And sending me a whole lot of beer bottles
Dec 17 19:48:11 <Ainulindale> s/kneeds/knees/
Dec 17 19:48:19 <Zorkman> 99 bottles of beer on Ainulindales wall...
Dec 17 19:48:21 * mrmoku goes and deletes the pingu recipe ;)
Dec 17 19:48:27 <bumbl> Ainulindale: wtf? spaces before complex punctuation sings?
Dec 17 19:48:27 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: 128 lately
Dec 17 19:48:29 <mwester> Ainulindale:  the spacing around punctuation -- is that different between French-Canadian then?  (I don't recall any rules like that, and that one would have stuck in my poor memory)
Dec 17 19:48:33 <Ainulindale> bumbl: yep.
Dec 17 19:48:49 <flohack_temp> sicu: Hmm... get_e.sh chokes when trying to autonf eina with: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL
Dec 17 19:48:51 <Ainulindale> bumbl: ; ! and ? exactly
Dec 17 19:49:04 <Ainulindale> mwester: well in french it's like that
Dec 17 19:49:06 <Ainulindale> even for "
Dec 17 19:49:10 <Ainulindale> or (
Dec 17 19:49:24 <bumbl> anyway, I understand most/parts of written french (at least enough to guess the context) because of latin and spanish
Dec 17 19:49:27 <Zorkman> those crazy frog-eaters ;-)
Dec 17 19:49:32 <BluesLee> mrmoku: whats wrong with pingus?
Dec 17 19:49:41 <mwester> That's interesting...  I had no idea about the punctuation.
Dec 17 19:49:47 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: we don't eat frogs
Dec 17 19:49:48 <Zorkman> me neither
Dec 17 19:49:49 <flohack_temp> sicu: I'm on Ubuntu hardy
Dec 17 19:49:53 <Ainulindale> At least, I didn't ever eat frog
Dec 17 19:49:55 <Zorkman> Ainulindale: we do in Belgium
Dec 17 19:49:55 <BluesLee> Zorkman: i dont believe that they really eat frogs ...
Dec 17 19:50:00 <mrmoku> BluesLee: nothing, just I would like to close the pingus ticket, because I did the .bb... but I can't ;)
Dec 17 19:50:00 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: you're mad
Dec 17 19:50:03 <Zorkman> BluesLee: it's a delicatesse,
Dec 17 19:50:06 <Zorkman> the legs of a frog
Dec 17 19:50:14 <Zorkman> nope i'm not mad
Dec 17 19:50:19 <Ainulindale> :-)
Dec 17 19:50:22 <BluesLee> you must be
Dec 17 19:50:34 <Zorkman> see here: http://images.google.be/images?hl=nl&q=kikkerbilletjes&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=5&ct=title
Dec 17 19:50:41 <BluesLee> no
Dec 17 19:50:42 * mwester notes that frog legs are considered "good eating" in the southern US at least.
Dec 17 19:50:45 <Zorkman> kikkerbilletjes: frog legs
Dec 17 19:51:12 <mwester> But then, some parts of America serve "Prairie Oysters" too... :(
Dec 17 19:51:20 <bumbl> yep I want to try frog legs sometime soon
Dec 17 19:51:21 <BluesLee> frogs are ugly
Dec 17 19:51:49 <bumbl> as i want to try snails and locusts
Dec 17 19:52:21 <Ainulindale> snails don't have taste
Dec 17 19:52:24 <bumbl> and snake meat is said to be good too
Dec 17 19:52:25 <Zorkman> we eat a lot of snails
Dec 17 19:52:25 <Ainulindale> that's mostly a weird texture
Dec 17 19:52:30 <Zorkman> never ate locusts though
Dec 17 19:52:31 <Ainulindale> What is interesting is snail butter
Dec 17 19:52:39 <Zorkman> frog legs are very fat (greasy)
Dec 17 19:52:41 <Ainulindale> (butter and garlic mostly)
Dec 17 19:52:59 <Zorkman> the french also eat snails, no?
Dec 17 19:53:00 <bumbl> hmm if they are fat, i probably won't like them
Dec 17 19:53:01 <Zorkman> escargots
Dec 17 19:53:09 * mwester still things that snails are like eating pencil erasers.
Dec 17 19:53:17 <mwester> thinks, even.
Dec 17 19:53:24 <Zorkman> snails don't slice up your intestines
Dec 17 19:53:26 <Ainulindale> mwester: a bit like that yes
Dec 17 19:53:37 <Zorkman> ah, erasers, read pencil sharpeners, my bad
Dec 17 19:53:46 <Ainulindale> but it depends on how it's cooked
Dec 17 19:53:46 <Zorkman> i really like les ecargots
Dec 17 19:53:50 <Zorkman> we eat them a lot at fairs
Dec 17 19:53:58 <Zorkman> or but garlic butter in the oven
Dec 17 19:54:06 <Ainulindale> garlic butter hmmmm
Dec 17 19:54:20 <Ainulindale> Don't force me to get downstairs and order another plate
Dec 17 19:54:21 <Ainulindale> I'm full
Dec 17 19:54:36 <Zorkman> :)
Dec 17 19:54:41 <Hire> the snails is good :)
Dec 17 19:54:42 <Zorkman> la grande bouffe ;-)
Dec 17 19:54:46 <Hire> i ate them
Dec 17 19:54:52 <mwester> Garlic bread... much nicer than snails in garlic.  :)
Dec 17 19:55:05 <Ainulindale> mwester: garlic with whatever
Dec 17 19:55:15 <mwester> keeps vampires away too.
Dec 17 19:55:15 <Ainulindale> My girlfriend hates when I do garlic "en chemise"
Dec 17 19:55:31 <Ainulindale> (that is to say cooked with the skin, in oil/butter)
Dec 17 19:55:54 <TAsn> haha, just added a nice feature, the layout of pyphonelog is now change upon rotation... ;]
Dec 17 19:55:59 <bumbl> anyway i think they have forbidden snake meat nearly anywhere (even in china [a friend of mine who wents to china regularly was really sad that he hasn't had the chance to test it])
Dec 17 19:56:03 <Hire> however
Dec 17 19:56:19 <Hire> do you want to see the worst italian cheese existent?
Dec 17 19:56:29 <bumbl> sure
Dec 17 19:56:47 <Ainulindale> Worst? In what terms?
Dec 17 19:56:52 <Ainulindale> Italian cheese is for sissies anyway
Dec 17 19:56:54 <Hire> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_marzu
Dec 17 19:56:58 <Hire> :)
Dec 17 19:57:18 <sicu> flohack_temp: hmmm, I would query in #e
Dec 17 19:57:22 <Zorkman> i like parmigiano regiano
Dec 17 19:57:36 <Zorkman> hehe i actually ate that casu marzu once
Dec 17 19:57:38 <Ainulindale> Hire: Well there are tons of cheeses like that in france
Dec 17 19:57:49 <Zorkman> when i was in valpelinnes (villages in the alpes, near the aosta valley)
Dec 17 19:58:08 <Zorkman> anyway, gf wants to watch something on pc
Dec 17 19:58:12 <Zorkman> eat it all my friends :)
Dec 17 19:58:22 <sicu> flohack_temp: i used easy_e17.sh
Dec 17 19:58:24 <Dave> Uh oh my freerunner's bomb light is going off
Dec 17 19:58:40 <bumbl> no bomb alarm anymore?
Dec 17 19:58:48 <bumbl> s/bomb/bombing/
Dec 17 19:58:48 <bzzbot> bumbl meant: no bombing alarm anymore?
Dec 17 19:58:49 <soltys> shr image from today works ?
Dec 17 19:58:53 <soltys> ;)
Dec 17 19:58:53 <Hire> Ainulindale: sure but ehi... it is disgusting :|
Dec 17 20:00:41 <Ainulindale> well it depends
Dec 17 20:00:43 <Hire> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimolette
Dec 17 20:00:46 <Hire> i ate that
Dec 17 20:00:53 <Hire> it is a french cheese
Dec 17 20:00:56 <Ainulindale> roquefort is mostly, well a rotten thing
Dec 17 20:01:05 <Ainulindale> but it's darn good
Dec 17 20:01:22 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: how will we handle frameworkd-config-shr for frameworkd-devel
Dec 17 20:01:26 <Hire> yes i know it
Dec 17 20:01:28 <bumbl> Hire: well if it tastes good why not
Dec 17 20:01:46 <Hire> and i ate is
Dec 17 20:01:46 <Dave> Freerunner Raid?
Dec 17 20:01:57 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: no idea know
Dec 17 20:02:01 <Dave> Ainulindale, ever had vegemite?
Dec 17 20:02:02 <Ainulindale> s/know/now/
Dec 17 20:02:02 <bzzbot> Ainulindale meant: mrmoku: no idea now
Dec 17 20:02:13 <Ainulindale> Dave: don't know about that
Dec 17 20:02:14 <Hire> the roquefort is similar to gorgonzola 
Dec 17 20:02:18 <Dave> lucky you :p
Dec 17 20:02:22 <Ainulindale> Hire: no
Dec 17 20:02:31 <Ainulindale> Hire: gorgonzola has far less taste 
Dec 17 20:04:20 <sicu> TAsn: that's great ... good job! =]
Dec 17 20:05:13 <bumbl> TAsn: pyphonelog is gtk, isn't it?
Dec 17 20:06:34 <bumbl> Hire: what alcohol fits to tiramisu?
Dec 17 20:06:52 <Ainulindale> marsala/amaretto
Dec 17 20:06:54 <Hire> Ainulindale: i have to test it :)
Dec 17 20:07:00 <Hire> marsala, ameretto, archemes
Dec 17 20:07:01 <Hire> rum
Dec 17 20:08:01 <sicu> gin
Dec 17 20:08:02 <bumbl> never heard of archemes - and I have to try marsala the next time
Dec 17 20:08:26 <Hire> alchermes
Dec 17 20:08:28 <Hire> sorry :)
Dec 17 20:08:44 <Hire> http://www.distilleriefranciacorta.it/ita/int_images/beverage/liquori/alchermes_500_high.jpg
Dec 17 20:08:55 <Dave> o.O
Dec 17 20:14:11 <flohack_temp> sicu: Sorry to bug you once again, but there are no automake files (apart from Makefile.am in http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/e/src/modules/illume/)
Dec 17 20:15:58 <snake> evening
Dec 17 20:18:12 <Dave> moo
Dec 17 20:24:21 <elserpiente> guys,is tango gps work in Dec 16 SHR image?
Dec 17 20:27:07 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r7a56ea1bfc59 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py: otimed: fix blocking otimed without connectivity
Dec 17 20:30:06 <sicu> flohack_temp: sorry, was away ... did you get it sorted?
Dec 17 20:33:05 <TAsn> sicu, http://scap.linuxtogo.org/
Dec 17 20:33:30 <TAsn> is that reasonable? (I wanted to have more free space in the main list...)
Dec 17 20:33:54 <sicu> TAsn: brilliant solution ... me likes ;]
Dec 17 20:34:03 <TAsn> cool ];
Dec 17 20:34:05 <TAsn> cool ;]
Dec 17 20:34:51 <TAsn> btw as you can see, I dropped the column headers, what do you think about that?
Dec 17 20:35:02 <TAsn> (this question is referred to everyone...)
Dec 17 20:35:18 <TAsn> sicu, even if you didn't like that, you could have disabled that in the configs ;]
Dec 17 20:36:04 <TAsn> and btw I hoped you noticed the () stating how many are grouped in that specific record... ;] (which can also be turned off...)
Dec 17 20:37:19 <sicu> TAsn: i think that's good ... the columns are self explanatory anyway, so no need to clutter screen realestate by stating the obvious
Dec 17 20:37:42 <sicu> and i did notice the group count, and won't turn it off ;]
Dec 17 20:38:06 <TAsn> hehe ;]
Dec 17 20:38:35 <TAsn> I friend offered that, I actually told him I think that's not important, though I tried, and I have to admit it was love @ first sight.
Dec 17 20:41:53 <sicu> and they had the exact same look and feel as the buttons, which was confuddling even though i knew they weren't
Dec 17 20:42:14 <TAsn> hehe ;]
Dec 17 20:42:31 <TAsn> that's because I need a decent gtkrc!
Dec 17 20:42:44 <sicu> i know :/
Dec 17 20:42:53 <TAsn> btw, I really think the icons make all the different!
Dec 17 20:43:20 <TAsn> again, thank you.
Dec 17 20:44:08 <sicu> thanks =]
Dec 17 20:44:13 <TAsn> ptitjes, http://scap.linuxtogo.org/
Dec 17 20:44:44 <sicu> i love the level of activity in the phonelog git =]
Dec 17 20:44:50 <sicu> go TAsn go !
Dec 17 20:45:20 <TAsn> sadly enough I'm starting to run out of ideas.
Dec 17 20:45:59 <elserpiente> Guys, does tangogps work on your SHR images?
Dec 17 20:46:13 <TAsn> elserpiente, seems so, yeah.
Dec 17 20:46:41 <elserpiente> ok, will it work when FR go to suspend mode?
Dec 17 20:46:51 <TAsn> no.
Dec 17 20:46:58 <bumbl> TAsn: well implement the same for sms + db on the flash
Dec 17 20:47:26 <TAsn> bumbl, actually, I have it on my todo, there's only one thing stopping me
Dec 17 20:47:33 <TAsn> the uncertainty about opimd
Dec 17 20:47:37 <bumbl> opimd
Dec 17 20:47:43 <bumbl> yep it will come
Dec 17 20:47:44 <bumbl> finally
Dec 17 20:47:48 <TAsn> when?
Dec 17 20:48:02 <bumbl> eta between end of this year and mid of next year
Dec 17 20:48:10 <TAsn> LOL?
Dec 17 20:48:20 <bumbl> mickey|sports said that abraxa has the corefeatures finished
Dec 17 20:48:29 <TAsn> that's like saying it will ship by default with gta05
Dec 17 20:48:34 <bumbl> and will merge them before the end of the year
Dec 17 20:48:53 <TAsn> phew.
Dec 17 20:48:53 <bumbl> don't kid yourself gta05 is expected to come 2020
Dec 17 20:49:00 <mrmoku> uhh, the year is almost over :-)
Dec 17 20:49:07 <bumbl> yep
Dec 17 20:49:08 <TAsn> bumbl, wtf?! gta05 is expected?
Dec 17 20:49:12 <bumbl> TAsn: :p
Dec 17 20:49:20 * bumbl expectis it in 2020
Dec 17 20:49:22 <TAsn> mrmoku, but we are not even close to mid 09...
Dec 17 20:49:24 <bumbl> -i
Dec 17 20:49:33 <elserpiente> so for work with gps i need disable sleep in conf?
Dec 17 20:49:38 <ptitjes> bumbl: I do agree!
Dec 17 20:49:49 <TAsn> elserpiente, seems reasonable enough.
Dec 17 20:49:56 <ptitjes> TAsn: nice in rotated!
Dec 17 20:50:00 <bumbl> but if openmoko does not get gta03 right they might go bancrup
Dec 17 20:50:01 <bumbl> t
Dec 17 20:50:06 <TAsn> ptitjes, ;]
Dec 17 20:50:25 <mrmoku> TAsn: yep, but as soon he cleaned up his stuff we can start implementing something for it
Dec 17 20:50:32 <ptitjes> bumbl: opimd ? did mickeyl gave news ?
Dec 17 20:50:43 <bumbl> ptitjes: yep
Dec 17 20:50:52 <bumbl> I'll pastebin what he said
Dec 17 20:51:09 <ptitjes> pleas do it now
Dec 17 20:52:05 <TAsn> hehe yeah, I also wanna see that.
Dec 17 20:53:44 <sicu> opimd info: http://waitingforopimd.pastebin.com/d55ec6557
Dec 17 20:53:46 <sicu> ;p
Dec 17 20:54:20 <bumbl> http://rafb.net/p/WUjxXR32.html
Dec 17 20:54:47 * bumbl slaps sicu for being faster
Dec 17 20:54:51 <sicu> hehe
Dec 17 20:55:19 * sicu hides
Dec 17 20:55:30 <elserpiente> now second. Is gprs work on recent SHR image?
Dec 17 20:55:49 <TAsn> elserpiente, yes, with only a minor issue
Dec 17 20:55:56 <TAsn> you have to modprobe ppp-generic
Dec 17 20:56:20 <TAsn> so add it to your startup sequence.
Dec 17 20:56:30 <elserpiente> will try
Dec 17 20:57:00 <bumbl> so TAsn let's hope we get opimd soon
Dec 17 20:57:05 <elserpiente> and one, do u remember in which section i have put sleep=0?
Dec 17 20:57:21 <bumbl> then the freerunner finally gets usable
Dec 17 20:57:28 <TAsn> elserpiente, no.
Dec 17 20:57:33 <TAsn> bumbl, hehe. ;]
Dec 17 20:59:42 <mrmoku> elserpiente: you can do it via the settings app
Dec 17 20:59:53 <mrmoku> if you want to edit the conf its the idlenotifier section
Dec 17 21:00:02 <elserpiente> thanks man
Dec 17 21:00:21 <TAsn> haha, never gonna give you up is now my ringtone!!! ;]
Dec 17 21:00:52 <sicu> elserpiente: but i think it's suspend=0 ... not sleep
Dec 17 21:00:57 <sicu> =]
Dec 17 21:01:05 <elserpiente> thanks ;)
Dec 17 21:01:06 <mrmoku> uhh, yeah :)
Dec 17 21:01:28 <mrmoku> but if you use SHR just take the settings app and switch of suspend
Dec 17 21:02:48 <elserpiente> and one thing else. When i try listen music via rythm each time i get lags when CPU is full. What i can do with it?
Dec 17 21:03:07 <mrmoku> you mean pythm?
Dec 17 21:03:16 <elserpiente> yep
Dec 17 21:03:37 <mrmoku> in /etc/pythm.conf you can set the nice value to -15 - that should help
Dec 17 21:03:37 <sicu> pythm is a dancer
Dec 17 21:03:42 <mrmoku> hehe
Dec 17 21:03:55 <mrmoku> new images will have that as default
Dec 17 21:08:31 <TAsn> btw, I'm still suffering from a bug that someone else claims he doesn't have, sicu when there's a new missed call, do you see it bold?
Dec 17 21:08:32 <ptitjes> ah...
Dec 17 21:11:12 <ptitjes> I've read the exchange...
Dec 17 21:11:18 <elserpiente> wow thanks guys gprs works and pythm too
Dec 17 21:11:42 <elserpiente> but is volume scroller work properly?
Dec 17 21:11:46 <ptitjes> Ainulindale : ?
Dec 17 21:19:10 <mrmoku> elserpiente: volume scroller is not working nicely in pythm
Dec 17 21:19:23 <elserpiente> i see
Dec 17 21:19:53 <elserpiente> now when pythm is playing all other apps become work slower
Dec 17 21:28:23 <TAsn> elserpiente, duh.
Dec 17 21:29:29 <TAsn> nice doesn't add super powers to the moko ;]
Dec 17 21:29:34 <TAsn> just changes priorities.
Dec 17 21:30:58 * mwester thought that nice was, like, those funny mushrooms that make Mario so powerful. ;)
Dec 17 21:31:49 <elserpiente> i see
Dec 17 21:33:13 <bumbl> mwester: haha
Dec 17 21:34:49 <mwester> but to be serious, we do need to establish some cpu budgets for various apps.
Dec 17 21:36:13 <TAsn> mwester, that's true.
Dec 17 21:36:46 <elserpiente> is it possible as for pythm?
Dec 17 21:36:51 <TAsn> I think core UI apps like the dialer should have a big priority over others, we need fast boot times for those.
Dec 17 21:37:15 <TAsn> same goes for the frameworkd and what it uses to play to ringtone ;]
Dec 17 21:37:17 <ptitjes> But for this we need a ui-level dbus api to emphazise user activity
Dec 17 21:38:07 <ptitjes> When I'm in car, I want full GPS computation performance
Dec 17 21:38:37 <TAsn> you are talking about presets, which is also needed though we are talking about core utils
Dec 17 21:38:48 <ptitjes> When I'm at home and it's midnight I want nothing else than Wifi (no GSM, no GPS)
Dec 17 21:38:52 <TAsn> even in a car while using gps you want fast loading of your contacts app.
Dec 17 21:39:29 <ptitjes> DO not call while driving!
Dec 17 21:39:34 <ptitjes> ;)
Dec 17 21:40:37 <ptitjes> This reminds me a feature I would like for my freerunner!
Dec 17 21:40:42 <TAsn> ptitjes, shh, don't snitch ;]
Dec 17 21:40:51 <TAsn> ptitjes, a drunk test?
Dec 17 21:41:25 <TAsn> mwester, actually we need to really check http://sourceforge.net/projects/preload out.
Dec 17 21:41:26 <ptitjes> not usefull (drunk too much time ;))
Dec 17 21:42:01 <ptitjes> wow!
Dec 17 21:42:07 <TAsn> ptitjes, ?
Dec 17 21:42:13 <ptitjes> preload!
Dec 17 21:42:24 <TAsn> yeah.
Dec 17 21:42:26 <ptitjes> what heuristics does it use ?
Dec 17 21:42:52 <TAsn> I know it for a couple of time now, though I couldn't remember the name till I asked in the #archlinux chan a few secs ago.
Dec 17 21:42:58 <bumbl> well we have 128MB ram - ~50 used after boot
Dec 17 21:43:19 <bumbl> so we could cache another 50 for caching the core apps
Dec 17 21:43:33 <TAsn> bumbl, 50 for core apps? I think they use a lot less...
Dec 17 21:43:33 <ptitjes> anyway, I would like that when someone calls me and my fr is suspended, I would like to have a checkbox in the active call screen (alonside to the call volume, etc...)
Dec 17 21:43:37 <bumbl> although this increases boottime
Dec 17 21:43:39 <TAsn> ptitjes, not sure, read there.
Dec 17 21:44:01 <TAsn> bumbl, preload doesn't increase boot time.
Dec 17 21:44:02 <ptitjes> a checkbox that would say "X Suspend phone after call"
Dec 17 21:44:05 <bumbl> TAsn: core apps: dialer, contacts, mofi, pyphonelog,...
Dec 17 21:44:20 <bumbl> TAsn: if it loads it at startup it does
Dec 17 21:44:38 <TAsn> bumbl, you can make it load only after complete startup...
Dec 17 21:44:51 <bumbl> anyway it will have to load sometimes
Dec 17 21:44:52 <ptitjes> bumbl: it can load them in background!
Dec 17 21:45:01 <bumbl> and then it will slow down everything else
Dec 17 21:45:12 <ptitjes> what's important is that phone is ready to get sim auth
Dec 17 21:45:14 <bumbl> for a short period of time
Dec 17 21:45:18 <TAsn> bumbl, let's say moko startup takes 1:23 from uboot to illume
Dec 17 21:45:28 <TAsn> it can start caching at 1:50
Dec 17 21:45:31 <TAsn> or even at 5:00
Dec 17 21:45:35 <TAsn> we don't care...
Dec 17 21:45:46 <TAsn> so we won't have caching on the first 5 mins, no biggie.
Dec 17 21:45:51 <bumbl> most important: fast to sim auth + dialer (emergency calls)
Dec 17 21:46:05 <TAsn> bumbl, you can give it low nice
Dec 17 21:46:12 <bumbl> after 5min the freerunner could be in suspend
Dec 17 21:46:25 <TAsn> bumbl, you get the idea...
Dec 17 21:47:12 <TAsn> btw, I don't think it works well with python apps, it can cache the libs and python itself
Dec 17 21:47:22 <TAsn> but not the images in the scripts
Dec 17 21:47:29 <TAsn> (iirc)
Dec 17 21:48:23 <TAsn> the project looks kinda dead though.
Dec 17 21:48:43 <TAsn> anyhow, as you were saying, we can easily afford 50 mb for caching of core utils
Dec 17 21:48:49 <ptitjes> I want my "X Suspend phone after call" checkbox!! (and a volume slider...)
Dec 17 21:48:58 <TAsn> ptitjes, I want a volume slider
Dec 17 21:49:03 <bumbl> TAsn: readahead list is similar to preload and not dead
Dec 17 21:49:11 <bumbl> btw. last update was in july i think
Dec 17 21:49:13 <ptitjes> I can't understand why this might be oevents to take care of phone ringing
Dec 17 21:49:17 <bumbl> so it is not that dead
Dec 17 21:49:21 <ptitjes> for me it gui-level stuff
Dec 17 21:49:29 <ptitjes> this should be handled by front-ends
Dec 17 21:49:44 <TAsn> bumbl, it was in july, and that's kinda dead.
Dec 17 21:49:52 <bumbl> nah
Dec 17 21:50:12 <mwester> I tested preload on Qt Extended on the FSO image -- it works.
Dec 17 21:50:16 <TAsn> ptitjes, I think oevents is taking care of phone ringing because we wanted fast response.
Dec 17 21:50:30 <ptitjes> but it is dead slow!!
Dec 17 21:50:33 <TAsn> mwester, I knew you are the man to talk about it.
Dec 17 21:50:37 <TAsn> ptitjes, ;\
Dec 17 21:50:43 <TAsn> mwester, how is it?
Dec 17 21:50:46 <TAsn> do you use it still?
Dec 17 21:50:47 <ptitjes> it is slower than the SHR gui
Dec 17 21:50:49 <TAsn> should we use it?
Dec 17 21:51:52 <TAsn> mwester, if you answer any of those questions, please pm me with the answers ;]
Dec 17 21:52:03 <TAsn> or at least write my name before you do
Dec 17 21:52:06 <TAsn> so it will mark it ;]
Dec 17 21:52:09 <TAsn> cya, gtg.
Dec 17 21:53:48 <ptitjes> bye
Dec 17 21:54:49 <Dave> mwester you tested what?
Dec 17 21:55:35 <ptitjes> Dave: http://sourceforge.net/projects/preload
Dec 17 21:56:24 <TAsn> just one thing before I'm really off
Dec 17 21:56:50 <Dave> :o
Dec 17 21:56:53 <TAsn> we should adjust it a bit so it will work mostly off a list and by startups, not by running time
Dec 17 21:57:14 <Dave> Tasn, I thought you left? :P
Dec 17 21:57:39 <TAsn> Dave, tell no one I was actually reviewing preload's source...
Dec 17 21:57:39 <Dave> and how did it work? preload?
Dec 17 21:57:43 <Dave> :P
Dec 17 21:58:02 <TAsn> Dave, mwester tested it, I haven't. I'm also anxious to know!
Dec 17 21:58:22 <mwester> preload is in oe -- just try "opkg install preload"
Dec 17 21:58:59 <Dave> Hrm
Dec 17 21:59:06 <Dave> On OM, it doesn't sound very productive...
Dec 17 21:59:15 <Dave> What do you think, Mister Wester.
Dec 17 21:59:19 <mwester> (it might not be in the feeds for all the distros, or even for any of them -- I build my own feeds ;) )
Dec 17 21:59:21 <TAsn> mwester, I'm interested on how it felt.
Dec 17 21:59:53 <mwester> TAsn:  hardly a scientific test, but it felt snappier (Qt Extended)  I have no idea how it will benefit python code, if at all.
Dec 17 22:00:21 <ptitjes> Maybe it could on SHR apps
Dec 17 22:00:24 <mwester> Qt Extended makes extensive use of shared libs.
Dec 17 22:00:30 <TAsn> mwester, as I already said, I don't think it will benefit python code.
Dec 17 22:00:52 <ptitjes> so lets replace python code!! :)
Dec 17 22:00:57 <TAsn> and it's not in shr/fso repos
Dec 17 22:01:00 <mwester> let's get it working first
Dec 17 22:01:00 <ptitjes> ;]
Dec 17 22:01:03 <TAsn> ptitjes, stfu~! ;]
Dec 17 22:01:20 <TAsn> j/k, I too believe in replacing python code.
Dec 17 22:01:24 <mwester> just ask Ainulindale to add preload to the package list.
Dec 17 22:01:35 * mwester wonders if he should add them to the FSO list
Dec 17 22:01:39 <ptitjes> mwester: it builds out of the box ?
Dec 17 22:01:47 <TAsn> ptitjes, there's a bb.
Dec 17 22:01:59 <ptitjes> I know but all bb do not work
Dec 17 22:02:06 <mwester> THere's a bb - not sure if it builds the latest version, but that's easy to fix.
Dec 17 22:02:14 <ptitjes> nice
Dec 17 22:02:36 <ptitjes> Will try it on shr-unstable-1216
Dec 17 22:02:37 <TAsn> mwester, this means opening a ticket which in turn means registering to the shr trac which in turn means a lot of hassle, gtg.
Dec 17 22:02:50 <mwester> :P
Dec 17 22:03:00 <ptitjes> btw can someone tell me what's new/to expect from shr-1216 ?
Dec 17 22:03:03 <Dave> :P
Dec 17 22:03:05 <TAsn> ptitjes, btw, please forward me that mail you talked to me about earlier today, I just now registered to the ML...
Dec 17 22:03:09 <TAsn> now I'm really off.
Dec 17 22:03:28 <ptitjes> TAsn: I've just sent it
Dec 17 22:03:34 <Dave> when I first read that ptitjes, I thought, wenches...
Dec 17 22:03:36 <TAsn> cool. ;]
Dec 17 22:03:50 <ptitjes> (In fact I thought I was on the ML but was not...)
Dec 17 22:03:54 <mwester> TAsn:  you have finally subscribed to the list?
Dec 17 22:04:07 <Dave> Mwester, he'll never do it!
Dec 17 22:04:11 <TAsn> mwester, yeah.
Dec 17 22:04:15 <TAsn> I was too lazy till now.
Dec 17 22:04:42 <mwester> Yet you're not too lazy to talk to us mortals here!
Dec 17 22:04:44 <ptitjes> Dave: read what ?
Dec 17 22:04:50 <Dave> shr-1216 :P
Dec 17 22:05:24 * mwester notes the irony -- community dev is on IRC and not the ML, while Om kernel devs are only on ML and never touch IRC... :P
Dec 17 22:05:43 * mwester also notes which of the two combinations works better!
Dec 17 22:05:57 <ptitjes> oohh!!
Dec 17 22:05:59 <Dave> yeah
Dec 17 22:06:04 <Dave> mutually exclusive motherfuckers :P
Dec 17 22:06:13 <Dave> hahaha
Dec 17 22:06:19 <Dave> Yeah, I think the real irony is there, Wester :)
Dec 17 22:06:26 <mwester> ~wash Dave's mouth out with soap.
Dec 17 22:06:33 <Dave> never!
Dec 17 22:06:39 <Dave> It tastes unappealing.
Dec 17 22:06:59 <ptitjes> Hey!! guys what is in shr1216 ?
Dec 17 22:07:22 <mwester> good comments in the email, ptitjes.
Dec 17 22:07:25 <TAsn> mwester, actually it's not a correct comparison
Dec 17 22:07:28 <dolf1074> the year when shr is born?
Dec 17 22:07:35 <TAsn> since irc guys have more free time by definition ;]
Dec 17 22:07:42 <Dave> They do?
Dec 17 22:07:45 <TAsn> cya.
Dec 17 22:07:48 <Dave> haha
Dec 17 22:07:51 <TAsn> Dave, you have inifinite free time
Dec 17 22:07:54 <Dave> You just unproved your point, tasn :P
Dec 17 22:08:03 <TAsn> I'm trying to leave for a couple of hours now!
Dec 17 22:08:08 <Dave> Thanks for playing :)
Dec 17 22:08:10 <Dave> hahahahaha
Dec 17 22:08:11 * mwester notes the truth of TAsn's observation
Dec 17 22:08:12 <TAsn> ;]
Dec 17 22:08:16 <Dave> :D
Dec 17 22:11:16 <ptitjes1> wow I got f___ed up by my power bar
Dec 17 22:11:33 <ptitjes1> (it's under my desk and I accidentally pressed the power button...)
Dec 17 22:11:50 <ptitjes1> mwester: thanks for your kind words! :)
Dec 17 22:13:21 <ptitjes1> hi raster!
Dec 17 22:13:37 <raster> eeek!
Dec 17 22:13:39 * raster hides
Dec 17 22:14:51 <ptitjes> mwester: I would like people to react to that post!
Dec 17 22:15:28 <ptitjes> raster: how to prevent applications to receive the click event when undimming screen ?
Dec 17 22:16:10 <raster> lock it?
Dec 17 22:16:14 <raster> :)
Dec 17 22:16:40 <ptitjes> héhéhé
Dec 17 22:17:19 <ptitjes> seriously, raster, is it an illume-related behaviour ?
Dec 17 22:17:22 <raster> well simplelock in illume puts an input-only window over everything to catch events so apps dont get them
Dec 17 22:17:28 <raster> no
Dec 17 22:17:32 <raster> nothing to do with illume
Dec 17 22:17:39 <raster> x gets a ts event
Dec 17 22:17:45 <raster> it generates a button press
Dec 17 22:17:47 <raster> thats imple
Dec 17 22:18:00 <ptitjes> so who controls the undimming
Dec 17 22:18:01 <ptitjes> ?
Dec 17 22:18:03 <raster> and that press of course goes to the window where the press happened
Dec 17 22:18:07 <raster> that depends
Dec 17 22:18:22 <ptitjes> (that one should block the propagation of the event!)
Dec 17 22:18:24 <raster> on fso they like to do it in frameworkd that listens manualyl to the ts device
Dec 17 22:18:27 <raster> which imho is bad
Dec 17 22:18:32 <raster> in asu itds x's normal screenblanker
Dec 17 22:18:36 <raster> so just like screenblanking
Dec 17 22:18:48 <raster> the press is part of the wakeup event that turns the backlight on
Dec 17 22:18:52 <raster> and it also delivers the event
Dec 17 22:19:02 <xav> Hi guys !
Dec 17 22:19:07 <Dave> Hello!
Dec 17 22:19:29 <xav> I just installed SHR, and I have a question: where's the virtual keyboard ?
Dec 17 22:19:29 <Dave> How are you Rasterman?
Dec 17 22:19:35 <Dave> Hiding
Dec 17 22:19:44 <xav> sure
Dec 17 22:19:49 <ptitjes> I do not know what is used in SHR for dimming/undimming ?
Dec 17 22:19:57 <Dave> Click the top bar then the little qwerty part in the upper-righthand corner
Dec 17 22:19:59 <xav> how do I tell it to unhide ?
Dec 17 22:20:19 <ptitjes> xav: just do the same as to show it...
Dec 17 22:20:23 <xav> oh yes, I couldn't see it
Dec 17 22:20:26 <ptitjes> (yes that's too bad)
Dec 17 22:20:27 <xav> thanks !
Dec 17 22:21:00 * ptitjes goes under his chair
Dec 17 22:22:29 <xav> mmh .. does wifi work ?
Dec 17 22:22:57 <xav> mofi just froze after I entered a passwd and pressed "save"
Dec 17 22:26:07 <ptitjes> xav: be patient!
Dec 17 22:27:16 <xav> it's too long
Dec 17 22:27:22 <xav> still frozen
Dec 17 22:27:34 <xav> and the UI doesn't update
Dec 17 22:27:43 <xav> i.e. it llooks really dead
Dec 17 22:28:22 <ptitjes> I believe Mofi has no thread for the rendering
Dec 17 22:28:38 <xav> it also doesn't show it top
Dec 17 22:28:42 <xav> in top
Dec 17 22:28:43 <ptitjes> When Mofi wifi part works ui can not be rendred
Dec 17 22:28:53 <ptitjes> ahhh
Dec 17 22:28:58 <ptitjes> then its dead
Dec 17 22:29:12 <xav> I think I should at least see some kind of dhcpd or the like 
Dec 17 22:29:16 <xav> in top
Dec 17 22:29:19 <ptitjes> but it works (sometimes)
Dec 17 22:30:36 <quickdev> Hey
Dec 17 22:32:15 <quickdev> Ainulindale, any news?
Dec 17 22:33:08 <ptitjes> quickdev: hey!
Dec 17 22:33:15 <quickdev> hey ptitjes :)
Dec 17 22:33:37 <ptitjes> how fine ?
Dec 17 22:34:09 <raster> just bad coding that   blocks and doesnt keep the mainloop running while doing other things
Dec 17 22:34:46 <Dave> :[
Dec 17 22:34:50 <ptitjes> raster: btw could you point very exactely to the font-size setting for the launcher text under icons in the illume edc
Dec 17 22:34:54 <Hire> quickdev: no news
Dec 17 22:35:01 <Hire> ainulindale is drunken
Dec 17 22:35:08 <ptitjes> no really ?
Dec 17 22:35:20 <quickdev> ptitjes, had a very long day, tired now :) and you?
Dec 17 22:35:28 <quickdev> Hire, typical of french people ;)
Dec 17 22:35:38 <ptitjes> quite same but fine anyway
Dec 17 22:35:50 <ptitjes> how is the phone gui ?
Dec 17 22:35:53 <ptitjes> :)
Dec 17 22:35:55 <raster> ptitjes: its in the theme
Dec 17 22:36:07 <Hire> yes but he is drunken with a simple bottle of wine :D
Dec 17 22:36:28 <ptitjes> raster: yeah but where exactely - I modifed all the font-size values I found without any success
Dec 17 22:36:32 <ptitjes> :]
Dec 17 22:36:49 <raster> it uses the filemanager icons
Dec 17 22:36:52 <raster> the normal ones
Dec 17 22:36:55 <raster> umm fixed
Dec 17 22:37:16 <ptitjes> could you point me to a scm example please ?
Dec 17 22:37:57 <raster> e/fileman/default/icon/fixed
Dec 17 22:38:12 <raster> hmm
Dec 17 22:38:16 <raster> or was it desktop
Dec 17 22:38:23 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdb8c955b8eb5 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/ (helpers.py lowlevel.py): ousaged: add lowlevel resume reason helpers
Dec 17 22:38:23 <raster> e/fileman/desktop/icon/fixed
Dec 17 22:38:25 <raster> one of those 2
Dec 17 22:52:02 <quickdev> Interesting for getting better audio on earsets: http://www.californiacell.com/ssproduct.asp?pf_id=1011815064
Dec 17 22:52:10 <ptitjes> raster: does illume.edj just overides some values from default.edj ?
Dec 17 22:57:33 <raster> ptitjes: that depends on your profile/setup
Dec 17 22:57:45 <raster> i will only comment on the default as e ships it
Dec 17 22:57:55 <raster> but yes - it overrides a few things
Dec 17 22:57:57 <raster> very few
Dec 17 22:58:04 <raster> as such the default is 99% default theme
Dec 17 22:58:29 <raster> illume.edj does extend things a lot tho
Dec 17 23:05:54 <ptitjes> thanks got it to work! :)
Dec 17 23:21:32 <ptitjes> raster: seems like edje_don't find images though my -id option... how do you explain this ? http://pastebin.com/m309162ac
Dec 17 23:24:08 <Hire> night ladies
Dec 17 23:39:30 <ptitjes> vbye
Dec 17 23:41:34 <sicu> ptitjes: i suggest you try your query in: #e / #edevelop
Dec 17 23:45:19 <raster> ptitjes: id only accepts 1 dir
Dec 17 23:45:23 <raster> i cant do multiple
Dec 17 23:45:25 <raster> u
Dec 17 23:45:48 <raster> actually wait
Dec 17 23:45:50 <raster> no it does
Dec 17 23:45:54 <raster> ummm
Dec 17 23:46:12 <raster> maybe missing something like buffer engnie
Dec 17 23:46:13 <raster> not sure
Dec 17 23:46:42 <raster> mind u
Dec 17 23:46:46 <raster> looks like a really small png
Dec 17 23:46:56 <raster> is it a valid png?>
Dec 17 23:58:50 <Sargun> Any FSO people with a pulse here? 
Dec 18 00:36:36 <alphaone> Nope, no pulse
Dec 18 00:47:43 <Dave> roger
Dec 18 00:48:21 <Sargun> FSO users: Not human
Dec 18 00:49:36 <sicu> phone home
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