**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 23 02:59:57 2008 Dec 23 07:39:09 Ainulindale: you forgot to update the packages list in the testing feed ... Dec 23 07:42:47 BluesLee: Hello Dec 23 07:42:55 ptitjes: hi Dec 23 07:43:01 Do you have problems with the opther call party audio ? Dec 23 07:43:09 sure Dec 23 07:43:40 I can't make any call because of that, do you know how to fix the problems (nobody can hear me...) Dec 23 07:44:10 they can hear me, thats not the problem Dec 23 07:44:28 but often they hear a buzz and/or an echo Dec 23 07:44:31 With me they only have a buzzz Dec 23 07:45:22 i hae no solution for that, you can try to modify the handset state file using alsamixer and to store that Dec 23 07:45:49 Do you have hints on how to modify that ? Dec 23 07:46:01 it should result in minimizing the buzz Dec 23 07:46:08 one mo will search Dec 23 07:47:44 see people.om.org/joerg for buzzfix paper Dec 23 07:48:01 here you can find some alsamixer settings http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Better_set_of_mixer_settings Dec 23 07:48:27 BluesLee: buzz can't be fixed by alsa settings Dec 23 07:48:39 not fixed Dec 23 07:48:44 i know Dec 23 07:48:54 but you can minimize it Dec 23 07:49:38 i guess the paper will not help ptitjes immediately Dec 23 07:49:45 you may find a setting that yields subjectively better results, and cooperates better with provider's audio-processing Dec 23 07:49:47 as it doesnt help me;-) Dec 23 07:50:25 DocScrutinizer2: i made an interesting investigation two days before Dec 23 07:50:54 i use an old 5V sim card from 1999 Dec 23 07:51:09 BluesLee: tell me more Dec 23 07:51:13 just for fun i tested a newer one, 1.8V Dec 23 07:51:33 old card: buzz Dec 23 07:51:48 new card: buzz gone, but echo:-) Dec 23 07:51:58 i did only one test Dec 23 07:52:00 same provider? Dec 23 07:52:04 yes Dec 23 07:52:09 same place Dec 23 07:52:10 strange Dec 23 07:52:17 we didnt moved around Dec 23 07:52:26 statistical deviation Dec 23 07:53:14 dont know but i ordered a new sim card Dec 23 07:53:31 or maybe the very old card disabled the PFC in MT-transmitter Dec 23 07:53:32 it doesnt cost me anything so .. Dec 23 07:55:12 i will also apply your "simple" gps fix, i dont thrust my neo anymore;-) Dec 23 07:55:28 i could do a retest in the next days Dec 23 07:55:37 you know basestation thell Ur phone how "loud" to send, to safe power and improve cell RF situation. This si PFC. It's been in GSM spec from very beginning, but was not used until maybe 2000 Dec 23 07:56:30 whats RF? Dec 23 07:57:47 okay, wiki did the job Dec 23 07:57:47 if you can find one of those fany gadgets that start lighting as soon as cellphone TX active, or even better a uWave-leaktester, you could check level of RadioFreq transmission. Dec 23 07:58:07 i know those Dec 23 07:58:10 buzz is closely related to this level Dec 23 07:59:30 PowerFactorControl is the level the BaseStation tells ur phone to use for TX Dec 23 08:00:21 No other way than the hardware hack then... Dec 23 08:00:31 all this very complex and beyond what you can control or even check exactly Dec 23 08:00:32 Did you test it ? Dec 23 08:02:36 (PCF, BS) that's why buzz depends on your particular provider, the BS u re using, as well as your "visibility" to the BS Dec 23 08:05:21 DocScrutinizer2: and the visibility (=configuration) could depend on the sim card? Dec 23 08:05:25 DocScrutinizer2: Did you set the 100uF capacitor on your phone ? Dec 23 08:05:51 ptitjes: DocScrutinizer2 is joerg, he should know his stuff;-) Dec 23 08:06:01 oh sorry :) Dec 23 08:06:59 ptitjes: but use your opportunity to ask him Dec 23 08:07:50 DocScrutinizer2: is it true that om works to put echo supression into the next firmware? Dec 23 08:08:02 BluesLee: "visibility" means how good the TX from Ur phone will reach the BS. If U send from inside a building, BS will ask your phone to levelup PCF Dec 23 08:08:29 okay, i think i got it Dec 23 08:08:37 DocScrutinizer2: What do you mean when you say : "You need to use RoHS lead­free tin!" ? Dec 23 08:08:47 DocScrutinizer2: is there any way to see what the transmit power is? Dec 23 08:08:58 except by measuring power consumption Dec 23 08:09:02 very old phones (or sim) didnt use PCF. Alsways send at max Dec 23 08:09:59 lindi-: we didn't find any yet :-( thus my suggestion for uwave-leakteter Dec 23 08:10:06 teSter Dec 23 08:10:07 maybe i am lucky with a new sim, who knows:-) Dec 23 08:10:56 DocScrutinizer2: ok. maybe in the engineering mode at command set there could be something? Dec 23 08:11:30 DocScrutinizer2: i guess i can get one of those blinking gadgets. how to proceed from there? Dec 23 08:11:47 ptitjes: (leadfree) has higher melting temp. So fits the tin used in Fab Dec 23 08:12:35 lindi-: I checked but couldn't find it. EM very poorly described. results look bogus Dec 23 08:13:51 BluesLee: you can tell TX level (=PCF) from distance to FR this gadget starts to light Dec 23 08:14:53 normally the guys stick this gadgets on their phones Dec 23 08:15:03 yup Dec 23 08:15:43 Any way to know what hardware revision we have though ssh N Dec 23 08:15:45 ? Dec 23 08:15:52 i can't find any anymore, as they mess RF. InEurope i guess they are forbidden now Dec 23 08:16:32 ohhh Dec 23 08:16:45 ptitjes: not really. as there are no really different hw-versions out there Dec 23 08:16:58 DocScrutinizer2: i can tell you where you may find them Dec 23 08:17:12 go ahead Dec 23 08:17:39 DocScrutinizer2: turkish export shops Dec 23 08:18:05 ok, will give it another try Dec 23 08:18:14 DocScrutinizer2: Any recommendations on what cap and resistor I should use (farnell link) ? Dec 23 08:18:47 don't get U. Which farnell link? Dec 23 08:20:33 I meant you may have working cap and resistor specs or brand ? Dec 23 08:22:11 Said another way: could you help me select a good cap and resistor on farnell ? Dec 23 08:22:13 :) Dec 23 08:22:28 ptitjes: all may work, as long as the components fit (also mechanically). The fix is very unsensitive to minor modifications Dec 23 08:23:03 yup, I will do Dec 23 08:23:52 or you send a selfadressed envelope to me, and I send you 2 caps and 6 R Dec 23 08:25:22 so you can break or lose a few ;-) Dec 23 08:26:24 oh! that would be real nice! Dec 23 08:26:25 btw, even usual small 47uf biaxial wired C may fit and work Dec 23 08:26:56 biaxial ? Dec 23 08:27:27 two wires parallel at on end Dec 23 08:27:37 onE Dec 23 08:28:04 like electrochemical caps ? Dec 23 08:28:08 designed for "standing" mount Dec 23 08:28:13 yup Dec 23 08:28:23 oh maybe I've got some of those! Dec 23 08:28:40 (do not do SMT stuff... :)) Dec 23 08:28:42 any big C (in uF) will do Dec 23 08:29:13 however I will have to have a SMT resistor anyway... Dec 23 08:29:23 as long as it fits mechanically, without using long wires to attach Dec 23 08:29:54 DocScrutinizer2: Where do you live ? Dec 23 08:30:32 D, BY, Nuernberg Dec 23 08:34:04 LOL I don't have any idea of the cost of a letter from france to germany... :) Dec 23 08:36:35 ptitjes: its cheap Dec 23 08:37:00 DocScrutinizer2: do you have paypal ? Dec 23 08:37:15 :-) Dec 23 08:37:48 Was wondering whether I could send you some money and you send me the letter with 4 caps and 8 resistors as Dec 23 08:38:12 I have a friend that bought a fr this week and I do not know if he will have a A7 rev Dec 23 08:38:20 does someone now in which package edje_decc is contained (pc desktop) Dec 23 08:38:48 and also Ainulindale live in paris too, I don't know if he allreday have the fix and I may propose him to do it if I succeed on mine... Dec 23 08:39:24 ptitjes: no paypal. I just don't like to address envelopes. Dec 23 08:39:31 :) Dec 23 08:39:39 Well I was just reading on this and wondering about your soldering skills ptitjes. Dec 23 08:39:55 Ainulindale: hello :) Dec 23 08:40:00 there are no A7 out there right now Dec 23 08:40:04 Coin o/ Dec 23 08:40:17 Have read the paper and feel confident I am able to do it Dec 23 08:40:32 Nice Dec 23 08:40:33 yet have to find the components :) Dec 23 08:40:38 I'll let you try on yours then =) Dec 23 08:40:57 héhéhé :) Dec 23 08:41:15 How are you Ainulindale ? Dec 23 08:41:38 Fine, in the south Dec 23 08:41:52 It is warmer than at home ? Dec 23 08:42:43 Well DocScrutinizer2, could you query me and give me your complete address ? Dec 23 08:42:57 I would be glad if you can send me some caps and resistors... :) Dec 23 08:43:09 Well no it isn't Dec 23 08:43:53 arf Dec 23 08:58:37 Ainulindale: I think I will cook a bb recipe for XSB for SHR Dec 23 08:59:26 Runtime is only 4Mo, so I think it is the good choice for an inference engine :) Dec 23 09:39:07 who did this? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/d1bbcab05d45c6fdeb96acb318a05033.png Dec 23 09:58:42 mrmoku_? Dec 23 10:15:08 Hey Dec 23 10:16:40 quickdev: hey Dec 23 10:16:57 hey Dec 23 10:17:04 ( fonzie-style ) Dec 23 10:18:06 Ainulindale, you said you could rename shr.git to shr-apps.git. Could we do that now? Better now than in a few weeks / months, when it's used more heavily :) Dec 23 10:18:20 indeed Dec 23 10:20:59 quickdev: stop doing your ptitjes|stuff =) Dec 23 10:21:11 Ainulindale, doing what stuff? ;) Dec 23 10:21:17 i have to do that icon Dec 23 10:21:22 for ptitjes Dec 23 10:21:25 and a wp .. Dec 23 10:21:58 Ainulindale, basic USSD support works btw. What's missing: the ui ;) Dec 23 10:22:09 USSD? Dec 23 10:22:13 what is it? Dec 23 10:22:25 Hire, network provider commands, for example *100# Dec 23 10:22:34 ah I see :) Dec 23 10:22:57 to disable your mailbox, see what's your current balance or other things ;) Dec 23 10:23:22 sure sure Dec 23 10:23:24 I know Dec 23 10:23:35 evil things Dec 23 10:23:51 created by satanist ISP Dec 23 10:25:06 Ainulindale, here to talk about a little design concept thing? Dec 23 10:25:18 yeeeeeeeeeeees Dec 23 10:25:20 catfighttttttttttt Dec 23 10:25:24 raster, we need you here Dec 23 10:25:50 quickdev: yes Dec 23 10:25:54 quickdev: I just posted on the ML Dec 23 10:25:56 * Hire loves menage a trois Dec 23 10:26:21 Ainulindale, you know ussd as well? It takes some seconds to provide a response Dec 23 10:26:34 as of now, we handle ussd responses in ophonekitd Dec 23 10:26:42 but the request is coming from the dialer Dec 23 10:27:31 I'd like to put a message "Waiting for response", but ophonekitd does not now about the start of a request and dialer does not know about the end. Dec 23 10:27:34 You see? Dec 23 10:28:29 I could add a signal listener to the dialer and remove "waiting for response" once a response arrived that is handled by ophonekitd, but I don't think that that message belongs to dialer, what do you think? Dec 23 10:29:33 quickdev: I think this isn't wise Dec 23 10:29:42 yeah, it isn't Dec 23 10:29:46 If the signal isn't processed for one reason or another Dec 23 10:29:51 It will be bothersome Dec 23 10:30:05 of course we would set a timeout Dec 23 10:30:14 10 secs Dec 23 10:30:15 My guess is, right now, don't do a thing and let's test it like that Dec 23 10:30:38 like that? Without a "waiting for response" message? Dec 23 10:30:49 At first, yes Dec 23 10:30:51 let's test it :-) Dec 23 10:31:12 yeah, ok - but it's not good for usability experience ;) Dec 23 10:31:53 Well, quickdev Dec 23 10:31:54 Once again Dec 23 10:31:57 Do that step by step Dec 23 10:32:00 First make it work Dec 23 10:32:05 Then do the other stuff :-) Dec 23 10:33:13 We could also redirect the SendUssdRequest call through ophonekitd, but that's not the silver bullet, too,. Dec 23 10:33:56 that's just wrong :-) Dec 23 10:35:50 Ainulindale, have you fetched shr-unstable? PWR / AUX is not working anymore Dec 23 10:36:12 I just flashed it Dec 23 10:36:22 uhm Dec 23 10:36:29 quickdev: well, that's either kernel or X Dec 23 10:36:34 quickdev Dec 23 10:36:44 or the conf for e changed Dec 23 10:36:46 Ainulindale, or e, keybindings Dec 23 10:36:48 i prefer a response from ussd as smaflash Dec 23 10:37:02 Ainulindale, it's not the kernel - I still have the working one Dec 23 10:37:10 Hire, smalfash? Dec 23 10:37:20 yeah :) Dec 23 10:37:26 Hire, what's that? Dec 23 10:37:28 as it does now Dec 23 10:37:29 now Dec 23 10:37:35 if you recieve a sms Dec 23 10:37:51 you see it without open messages Dec 23 10:37:54 Hire, yeah, it's going to be like that Dec 23 10:37:59 that is a smsflash Dec 23 10:38:14 because other os as symbian or osx for iPhone does that Dec 23 10:38:24 i don't like the "waiting for response" Dec 23 10:39:08 Hire, you will want that "waiting for resposne", because in the 10 seconds between issuing the request and getting the response you don't know if something is going on :) Dec 23 10:39:50 if you don't receive the smaflash, well, it doens't works :D Dec 23 10:39:59 because if it doesn't works Dec 23 10:40:10 and you don't put a timeout for the response Dec 23 10:40:26 the waiting for response will be a bit long :D Dec 23 10:40:31 ( i think ) Dec 23 10:40:56 Hire, do you want 30 seconds to see if it's not working or do you want to see it after 1 second (when no window saying "waiting for response" is displayed) ? Dec 23 10:41:03 additionally, it would confuse new users Dec 23 10:41:26 quickdev: for the waiting thing Dec 23 10:41:28 one step at a time Dec 23 10:41:33 first do the functionnality Dec 23 10:41:41 then implement a common event/timeout for waiting screens Dec 23 10:41:44 Hire, user interface feedback is very important Dec 23 10:41:46 loading/sending/waiting Dec 23 10:41:49 Ainulindale, I'll do it that way Dec 23 10:41:56 quickdev: do small commits Dec 23 10:42:02 allow us to help you and test tiny portions Dec 23 10:42:05 that'll be easier Dec 23 10:42:05 yeah Dec 23 10:42:10 i don't know Dec 23 10:42:19 i have to see it :) Dec 23 10:42:38 i never used ussd-things Dec 23 10:45:26 however Dec 23 10:45:46 i prefer if messages doesn't display sms instantly Dec 23 10:49:14 quickdev: domain name is here, bearstech is doing the necessary things Dec 23 10:49:28 They'll also install movable type as a blog processing tool Dec 23 10:49:48 Hire: I'd like a theme for movable type by the way :-) Dec 23 10:49:58 I'd also like a theme for trac Dec 23 10:50:01 I can now change the templates Dec 23 10:50:28 Ainulindale: spanks raster for taht Dec 23 10:50:32 *that Dec 23 10:50:41 Ainulindale, what's "movable type" ? Dec 23 10:50:51 i don't know Dec 23 10:50:53 a blog type Dec 23 10:50:56 but seems cool Dec 23 10:50:57 secured Dec 23 10:50:58 in perl Dec 23 10:50:58 ah, ok Dec 23 10:51:02 ah :| Dec 23 10:51:03 quickdev: no icon for alarm, did you see? Dec 23 10:51:22 Ainulindale, I have the original one, not the SHR-theme one, yes. Dec 23 10:51:40 dbus not availablee Dec 23 10:51:42 that's weird Dec 23 10:51:47 Ainulindale, what about adding opkg remove elementary-tests in the do_postprocess shr_image function? Dec 23 10:51:56 why not Dec 23 10:52:07 But a good move would be to remove the RRECOMMENDS Dec 23 10:53:52 Ainulindale, RRECOMMENDS will not fix that, because the elementary package does: Packages += elementary-tests Dec 23 10:54:09 Ah didn't see that Dec 23 10:54:14 then the elementary package must be fixed Dec 23 10:54:21 I think mickey|dinner is the maintainer Dec 23 10:54:44 quickdev: movable type is what the very first printing presses used Dec 23 10:54:51 and FYI quickdev Dec 23 10:54:52 you could move the letters around on a panel to lay out a page Dec 23 10:54:55 no keystroke for aux Dec 23 10:54:58 or power Dec 23 10:55:31 raster, you are mainting the elementary recipe, aren't you? Dec 23 10:55:43 quickdev: yup Dec 23 10:55:53 Ainulindale: how do I get my phone to suspend with the latest gta01 lite image? Dec 23 10:55:54 raster, we don't want to have elementary-tests :) Dec 23 10:55:59 raster, how to disable it? Dec 23 10:56:12 polz: push power it should trigger a menu Dec 23 10:56:18 you'll need to not include the bin/ dir Dec 23 10:56:18 it doesn't. Dec 23 10:56:30 I bet it didn't Dec 23 10:56:30 as such i intend to keep it in elementary for the forseeable future Dec 23 10:56:40 polz: meanwhile use illume suspend menu Dec 23 10:56:41 on your home Dec 23 10:56:44 unroll the menu Dec 23 10:56:46 click on the cross Dec 23 10:56:48 raster, maybe the elementary and elementary Dec 23 10:56:51 sorry Dec 23 10:56:52 and choose the moon Dec 23 10:56:56 raster, http://git.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=blob;f=packages/efl1/elementary_svn.bb;h=eb880aedca851a7d17c2fde23b1e26c8b330b43b;hb=1ce2a1923813b166444d09a05e6bc874314a40d3 Dec 23 10:57:01 as it's already in elementary-tests Dec 23 10:57:01 polz: you should test the keybindings in illume config Dec 23 10:57:11 see if aux or power induce a keystroke Dec 23 10:57:14 but its in RRECOMENDS Dec 23 10:57:16 aaah, that was intuitive :) Dec 23 10:57:35 polz: well power should trigger a menu Dec 23 10:57:54 raster, we simply want to disable elementary-tests without modifying the recipe, possible? Dec 23 10:58:27 Ainulindale: is it supposed to be that same menu, or some custom app? Dec 23 10:58:33 not possible as its part of the RRECOMMENDS Dec 23 10:58:41 its a separate package Dec 23 10:58:46 polz: that same menu Dec 23 10:59:09 raster, are you going to fix that? Split it up? There are use cases where you want elementary, but not the tests :) Dec 23 10:59:22 it already is split Dec 23 10:59:29 btw, that "suspending your computer" splash screen makes it feel like it's taking waaay longer to suspend Dec 23 10:59:40 raster, but you can't exclude it Dec 23 10:59:55 because elementary implies elementary-tests Dec 23 11:00:44 Ainulindale: hey Dec 23 11:00:47 mrmoku: hoy Dec 23 11:01:00 hmm... how can I check if the X server is receiving any keypresses? I don't have xev on the phone. Dec 23 11:01:05 quickdev: because its sucked in by RRECOMENDS Dec 23 11:01:11 for the elementary lib package Dec 23 11:01:13 polz: illume config Dec 23 11:01:13 thus it is split Dec 23 11:01:18 open the keybinding conf Dec 23 11:01:22 and try to add one Dec 23 11:01:32 but tags along as a "dependency" Dec 23 11:01:33 raster: latest OE doesn't send keystrokes anymore Dec 23 11:01:58 raster, ok...so, what could we do to have elementary but not elementary-tests? Dec 23 11:02:12 you'd need to modify the .bb Dec 23 11:02:27 Ainulindale: that.. is not my problem :( Dec 23 11:02:35 raster: I know, I was just telling you Dec 23 11:02:51 raster, ok, thanks Dec 23 11:02:56 Ainulindale: where's that supposed to be? ~/.e ? Dec 23 11:03:02 Ainulindale, let's add a patch to openembedded.diff? Dec 23 11:03:06 quickdev: you could opekg remove the tests pkcg too Dec 23 11:03:18 just oe wants to include recommended packages for pakcages Dec 23 11:03:20 raster, yeah, already thought about that Dec 23 11:03:26 quickdev: do you know we don't use that diff anymore ? Dec 23 11:03:33 polz: in the wrench Dec 23 11:03:40 Ainulindale, removing the package would be cleaner anyway Dec 23 11:04:31 well anyway Dec 23 11:04:33 hahahahah Dec 23 11:04:41 going to do something of utmost importance Dec 23 11:04:43 EATING Dec 23 11:04:53 how do I press escape if key presses don't register as keystrokes? Dec 23 11:04:57 :)) Dec 23 11:05:01 polz: press anykey on the keyboard Dec 23 11:05:02 Ainulindale, you haven't had your morning crèpe yet? Dec 23 11:05:24 quickdev: until elementayr is more mature i really want to have the tests ship automatically with it Dec 23 11:06:18 mrmoku: you might be interested in finding out the root cause of that "no more aux/power keystroke" problem :-) Dec 23 11:06:26 Meanwhile I really have to eat Dec 23 11:07:12 raster, yeah, but other people like to do what they want....imagine they have a fully-working SRCREV for it - thus the elementary-tests packages could not be needed anymore. There are many situations where you don't want the tests Dec 23 11:07:55 Ainulindale: hmm, if I press AUX the screen is locked Dec 23 11:08:09 Ainulindale, http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR <- you are not using the .diff anymore? Dec 23 11:08:12 And if I press power it pops up the sysactions menu Dec 23 11:08:30 but eat first :-) Dec 23 11:08:35 not too much though Dec 23 11:08:40 mrmoku, newest shr-unstable? Dec 23 11:08:56 quickdev: the one from last night... something new? Dec 23 11:09:15 mrmoku, it's the new one. gta02? Have you modified anything? Dec 23 11:09:41 yeah, gta02. no not that I would be aware of now... will check Dec 23 11:09:44 mrmoku: well flash unstable Dec 23 11:09:53 Here I don't have actions Dec 23 11:10:00 Ainulindale: ok. have to do some maths with my sun first though Dec 23 11:10:09 will be back after that Dec 23 11:10:13 No problem Dec 23 11:10:20 Maths are impoortant for youngsters Dec 23 11:10:41 hehe Dec 23 11:11:08 quickdev: I still have empty messages Dec 23 11:11:47 Ainulindale, empty messages? Where? Dec 23 11:12:08 just now, each time I receive a message from my answering machine Dec 23 11:12:11 I'll give you the log later Dec 23 11:12:16 ok Dec 23 11:12:22 frameworkd/ophonekitd/shell log Dec 23 11:12:29 quickdev: given the # of bugs i know are there that the tests explicitly show.. you need it :) Dec 23 11:12:51 it will have the RRECOMENDS line removed eventually Dec 23 11:13:05 but first - need to be sure its pretty workable Dec 23 11:13:12 yeah, I understand your point of view Dec 23 11:13:29 wne when you ask me Dec 23 11:13:32 "why does this happen" Dec 23 11:13:41 my answer will be "check the tests..." Dec 23 11:13:43 :) Dec 23 11:14:02 as such it is harmless to include - just adds an app icon u may not want Dec 23 11:14:06 but doesnt kill anything Dec 23 11:14:10 or stop things from working Dec 23 11:14:45 that WOULD be bad Dec 23 11:27:03 moo, raster :-) Dec 23 11:39:41 quickdev: Is there a dbg package of the libframeworkd-phonegui-efl (the version of the new UI) ? Dec 23 11:39:48 dolf1074, yes Dec 23 11:39:54 in shr-unstable ipkg dir Dec 23 11:40:07 ok, I'm going to install that Dec 23 11:41:44 quickdev: Is the newest libframeworkd-phonegui-efl already in unstable? Dec 23 11:42:02 dolf1074, yeah, it is Dec 23 11:42:17 Ainulindale, we should correct the opkg.conf for shr-unstable Dec 23 11:42:27 or the bearstech.conf in /etc/opkg/ Dec 23 11:42:37 but it has a lower revision of the one on http://shr.bearstech.com/ Dec 23 11:43:23 freesmartphone.org: 03niklas.coding 07libframeworkd-glib * r20954567ec28 10/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): As of now, the mode parameter of the IncomingUssd signal is an integer. Dec 23 11:43:48 dolf1074, I delete that package now....that's old ;) Dec 23 11:43:53 okay Dec 23 11:44:13 done Dec 23 11:52:03 DocScrutinizer2: moo2! Dec 23 11:52:33 raster: :-) Dec 23 11:52:45 * DocScrutinizer2 away for coffee now Dec 23 12:24:02 ok, the time has come! who knows how to handle gtkrc's like a 1337 haxor? ;] I can get around, though I'm certainly not a master, I can fix a lot of the issues but I'm no designer either... Dec 23 12:25:23 TAsn: rm .gtkrc? ;-) Dec 23 12:25:34 Real haxors need no theme Dec 23 12:25:42 real haxor need no X Dec 23 12:25:50 though we need X for the keyboard Dec 23 12:26:14 we are haxor with style Dec 23 12:26:16 and coolness Dec 23 12:26:19 so we are not real haxors to begin with ;] Dec 23 12:26:28 or, almost me, because I am beatiful Dec 23 12:26:30 alphaone, themes bring the chicks ;] Dec 23 12:28:50 heh Dec 23 12:29:14 So one might argue that gtk is the wrong toolkit for that anyways ;-) Dec 23 12:29:23 touche. Dec 23 12:29:39 But to get back to the topic, no I don't know too much about gtkrc Dec 23 12:29:49 alphaone: hey while you're here Dec 23 12:29:50 You usually just include a themefile there Dec 23 12:29:57 no keystroke for power/aux on latest OE Dec 23 12:30:01 Known issue? Dec 23 12:30:05 Ainulindale: Hey Dec 23 12:30:13 alphaone, but you have to make the theme file first ;] Dec 23 12:30:14 Not to me Dec 23 12:30:28 (not until now at least :-) Dec 23 12:30:36 This is a pain Dec 23 12:30:44 It's starting to piss me off Dec 23 12:30:47 Kernel is a mess Dec 23 12:31:20 yeah Dec 23 12:31:27 Oh, so it's a kernel issue? Dec 23 12:31:53 Ainulindale: Is that why you wrote your "stable" kernel mail? Dec 23 12:32:29 One of the reasons, yes Dec 23 12:32:38 There are many other reasons Dec 23 12:32:57 One of them being, andy-tracking is crap Dec 23 12:33:19 And I'm bored with that crap Dec 23 12:33:33 If we can't upgrade kernel without endless regression Dec 23 12:33:48 Then fork^Wfuck the kernel Dec 23 12:34:02 Or the other way around Dec 23 12:34:30 Seriously, I'm pissed. This is the most annoying thing for SHR right now. Inconsistency. Dec 23 12:43:06 Ainulindale: after math and food.. I flashed and yeah, AUX does nothing Dec 23 12:43:54 See? =) Dec 23 12:45:35 Ainulindale: the nice thing is I have two unstable images one in flash and one on SD and can compare now :-) Dec 23 12:46:02 Good :-) Dec 23 12:46:45 mrmoku, lol. Dec 23 12:46:57 I have 5 microsds lying around here Dec 23 12:47:03 I honestly don't know which is what Dec 23 12:47:04 Ainulindale: where can I find the unstable image? Dec 23 12:47:27 one has fso one qt iirc one shr and one 2008.* I'm not sure though Dec 23 12:47:39 as I said, I've lost track ;] Dec 23 12:47:43 okay dumb question. Directory structure says it Dec 23 12:54:21 TAsn: heh, I just have two, but I remember what I stuffed on it yesterday ;) Dec 23 12:58:34 Ainulindale: hehe, found one difference... I was playing around with frameworkd-devel and appropriate config and so I changed the stabilization branch to master in the frameworkd-shr-config Dec 23 12:58:39 my frameworkd.conf is different Dec 23 12:58:59 if you want to try I could scp it to the buildhost Dec 23 12:59:11 mrmoku: no influence Dec 23 12:59:18 Apart if frameworkd hogs the input Dec 23 12:59:20 Ainulindale: heh, can try it myself me stupid Dec 23 13:04:07 mrmoku, swapping and flashing all the time isn't fun at all. Dec 23 13:04:08 ;\ Dec 23 13:05:10 TAsn: yeah especially swapping SDs is quite ugly Dec 23 13:06:08 mrmoku, aye ;\ Dec 23 13:06:56 I haven't ever switched mine, hehe Dec 23 13:07:05 quickdev, ;] Dec 23 13:07:09 still using a 512? Dec 23 13:07:20 I switched to a 8gb a long time ago ;] Dec 23 13:07:25 I never even do anything but flash Dec 23 13:07:34 yeah - in my other phone is a 2 GB, will switch them when I need more space Dec 23 13:07:51 you should really use it as your phone quickdev Dec 23 13:08:03 quickdev: by the way Dec 23 13:08:08 http://www.shr-project.org Dec 23 13:08:09 Ainulindale, I'm using it as my phone Dec 23 13:08:19 since a few months Dec 23 13:08:23 quickdev: Oh, then you received the other phone? Dec 23 13:08:44 Ainulindale, atm I've got a gta02a06, gta02a04 and a sone ericson k800i Dec 23 13:08:49 *sony Dec 23 13:09:02 Well you received your 06 befor eme Dec 23 13:09:05 hi all Dec 23 13:09:07 s/r eme/re me/ Dec 23 13:09:08 Ainulindale meant: Well you received your 06 before me Dec 23 13:09:14 I don't know if I'll receive it in the end =) Dec 23 13:09:38 Ainulindale, I received a gta02a04 - which is unusable as a daily phone ;) Dec 23 13:09:59 has there been any updates on the FSO team meetup (was out of action, for a while) Dec 23 13:10:03 why quickdev? Dec 23 13:10:16 Ainulindale, cool domain ;] Dec 23 13:11:07 Ainulindale, coloumb counter design does not work and there's an issue with the screen - though both could be worked around Dec 23 13:11:17 anway I'll use it as my dev device Dec 23 13:11:32 quickdev, haha lucky. ;\ Dec 23 13:11:36 coloumb counter what? Dec 23 13:11:50 Ainulindale, how much power the battery has Dec 23 13:12:07 I don't remember where one can see the revision by the way Dec 23 13:12:10 Could someone tell me? Dec 23 13:12:12 since you have two front panels why don't you try to modify (i.e file down to have a more reasonable edges) the front panel? Dec 23 13:14:47 quickdev: and please git pull before push :-) Dec 23 13:14:54 you're polluting the logs! :-p Dec 23 13:17:35 I don't understand why we lost the keystrokes Dec 23 13:18:30 freesmartphone.org: 03niklas.coding 07libframeworkd-glib * rb2c4afa1d1f1 10/src/ogsmd/ (2 files): Fixed a typo. Dec 23 13:22:57 Ainulindale: clearly the image is missing glibc-binary-localedata-de-de :p Dec 23 13:23:57 Ainulindale: one other difference is more kernel-modules in my image... don't think it should matter though Dec 23 13:24:14 and another one is udev one r newer on bearstech image... Dec 23 13:27:33 * ptitjes slaps Ainulindale for making him a model for upsetting people Dec 23 13:28:14 ;) Dec 23 13:28:31 Not people, me =) Dec 23 13:34:07 freesmartphone.org: 03niklas.coding 07libframeworkd-glib * r7c391e8001c4 10/src/frameworkd-glib-dbus.c: Added initialization for frameworkdHandler->incomingUssd. Dec 23 13:35:59 Ainulindale: BTW good work for the website! Will we have trac and git on it ? Dec 23 13:36:38 hmm, x.log is identical... Dec 23 13:37:12 ptitjes: Yes. Dec 23 13:37:22 nice Dec 23 13:37:34 Ainulindale, FrameworkdHandlers *new_frameworkd_handler() - why haven't you named it frameworkd_handler_new() ? Dec 23 13:37:53 No idea :-) Dec 23 13:37:53 morning Dec 23 13:38:03 a library should have very good names Dec 23 13:38:09 ptitjes: what website? Dec 23 13:38:10 Ainulindale, should I change that? Dec 23 13:38:10 You're sure?! Dec 23 13:38:13 That's surprising! Dec 23 13:38:24 I thought I could name that function get_me_a_new_potatoe Dec 23 13:38:27 Dumbass! :-) Dec 23 13:38:34 should i change it? Dec 23 13:38:35 Kensan: www.shr-project.org Dec 23 13:38:35 well yes you can change it Dec 23 13:38:41 Ainulindale: ok, think I found it :-) missing evbug kernel mod Dec 23 13:38:43 ptitjes: thank you Dec 23 13:38:51 mrmoku: OOoh shiny Dec 23 13:39:21 * mrmoku wonders, why in my image are thousands of modules and on bearstech not ? Dec 23 13:39:33 Ainulindale, this is confusing, too: FrameworkdHandlers *frameworkdHandler= NULL; Dec 23 13:39:40 FrameworkdsHandlers and FrameworkdHandler Dec 23 13:39:54 I change that, too Dec 23 13:40:00 to have a clear base Dec 23 13:41:24 Feel free to do it Dec 23 13:41:30 And then correct your conventions! :-p Dec 23 13:41:56 quickdev: By the way, I may have developed that late at night with some beers in my blood, check it's working too =) Dec 23 13:41:58 correct my conections? mh? Dec 23 13:42:00 Ainulindale, Dec 23 13:42:01 FrameworkdHandler *h = NULL; Dec 23 13:42:01 h = malloc(sizeof(FrameworkdHandler)); Dec 23 13:42:06 Yes? Dec 23 13:42:07 is the NULL initalization needed here? Dec 23 13:42:11 Yes. Dec 23 13:42:24 Pointer declaration = NULL Dec 23 13:42:24 ok Dec 23 13:42:26 Systematically. Dec 23 13:42:29 No matter what. Dec 23 13:42:31 alright :) Dec 23 13:42:36 If not I'll bite you. Dec 23 13:42:46 And as I'll have shiny new teeth in a while Dec 23 13:42:48 it may hurt Dec 23 13:43:33 wow mrmoku Dec 23 13:43:35 check oe log Dec 23 13:43:40 fastboot patches are commited Dec 23 13:44:08 where did the patch goopenembedded-shr-git.diff Dec 23 13:44:12 ? Dec 23 13:44:23 I removed it. Dec 23 13:44:26 Purposely. Dec 23 13:44:42 as a new branch though, but still :-) Dec 23 13:44:45 why? Dec 23 13:44:47 mrmoku: a new branch? Dec 23 13:44:51 Kensan: because it's not up to date Dec 23 13:44:57 Ah yeah, a new branch Dec 23 13:45:04 Kensan: patches are on git now Dec 23 13:45:15 Ainulindale: hm ok, so somebody should keep the wiki in sync... Dec 23 13:45:22 Yeah, somebody should do that Dec 23 13:45:26 Why don't you do it then? :-p Dec 23 13:45:34 Ainulindale, now I'm at it. What about renaming dbus_connect_to_bus(FrameworkdHandler) to frameworkd_handler_connect() ? Dec 23 13:45:45 quickdev: could that be possible to have generic phonegui_*_show/hide functions ? Dec 23 13:45:52 quickdev: agreed Dec 23 13:46:09 ptitjes, they are generic?! Dec 23 13:46:17 though it'd be better named frameworkd_connect_to_bus() Dec 23 13:46:48 Ainulindale: well tell me how to do it the proper way then Dec 23 13:47:02 quickdev: I one show and one hide Dec 23 13:47:10 s/I/I mean/ Dec 23 13:47:10 ptitjes meant: quickdev: I mean one show and one hide Dec 23 13:47:15 Kensan: do you have the shr makefile? Dec 23 13:47:52 Ainulindale: yes Dec 23 13:47:56 Ainulindale: the one from git Dec 23 13:48:03 ptitjes, we have show and hide for each sub-function?! Dec 23 13:48:04 Ok then doing make update should do that for you Dec 23 13:48:27 yep, if not spank mrmoku ;) Dec 23 13:48:40 You'd like it, old perv Dec 23 13:49:02 hehe old yeah... perv... no, not really. just sure my Makefile works :-) Dec 23 13:49:17 :-) Dec 23 13:49:24 quickdev: phonegui_show(int screenID, ...) and phonegui_hide(int screenID) Dec 23 13:49:28 Ainulindale: make patch-oe Dec 23 13:49:33 or something like this Dec 23 13:49:36 Ainulindale: make patch-openembedded Dec 23 13:49:47 Ainulindale: shouldn't this get done when doing make setup? Dec 23 13:49:49 ptitjes, I don't get you, sorry Dec 23 13:50:04 Ainulindale: any idea about the kernel mods? Dec 23 13:50:24 mrmoku: idea? Dec 23 13:50:26 quickdev: everytime you have a new screen, you add a show/hide set of functions - this is not extenssible Dec 23 13:50:26 Kensan: does it on make setup Dec 23 13:50:38 Ainulindale: why the modules are missing for you and not for me Dec 23 13:50:52 hmmm Dec 23 13:51:00 module name is evdev? Dec 23 13:51:01 and thus not generic Dec 23 13:51:03 ptitjes, extendable to what? Dec 23 13:51:05 Ainulindale: yep Dec 23 13:51:17 mrmoku: sd card? Dec 23 13:51:24 Kernel flashed & modules untared. Dec 23 13:51:31 Here I'm on flash Dec 23 13:51:35 Flash + rootfs Dec 23 13:51:37 No modules. Dec 23 13:52:12 ptitjes: the purpose of phonegui is to have a set of show hide functions specialized Dec 23 13:52:16 That's the purpose Dec 23 13:52:23 mrmoku: how does it get done? Dec 23 13:52:25 If we wished to do something generic we would have done a do() function Dec 23 13:52:30 quickdev: say I want to add a screen to manage organizations, another for friends, another for... have to add some hide/show() each time, users have to find the new api each time - see my point ? Dec 23 13:52:38 which would have done everything Dec 23 13:52:50 mrmoku: so to summ it up: one should clone shr-makefile and then make setup make image? Dec 23 13:52:53 And you shouldn't add screens like that. Dec 23 13:52:55 Ainulindale: that is steril Dec 23 13:52:58 No. Dec 23 13:53:11 Phonegui is there to be a known implementation in relation with ophonekitd Dec 23 13:53:26 You can't just add screens for the sake of adding screens Dec 23 13:53:31 This has to go through libframeworkd-phonegui Dec 23 13:53:32 Kensan: in shr-%/.configured: Dec 23 13:53:36 And this has to be discussed Dec 23 13:53:43 Hence the functions this way Dec 23 13:53:56 It's done that way for specific reasons Dec 23 13:53:56 Kensan: no, one should wget the Makefile and call make setup Dec 23 13:54:00 Ainulindale, isn't that something we already talked about with one buddy? Dec 23 13:54:06 quickdev: probably ptitjes Dec 23 13:54:11 quickdev: guilty Dec 23 13:54:12 hahaha Dec 23 13:54:13 He tends to talk about everything then forget about it =) Dec 23 13:54:18 Kensan: just that it is not yet in place to be wgetted Dec 23 13:54:30 hahaha (bis) Dec 23 13:54:41 well yeah dolf1074 bugged me about that too :-) Dec 23 13:54:47 But dolf1074 was closer to our original idea Dec 23 13:54:56 mrmoku: unfortunately the makefile is not kept current... Dec 23 13:54:57 * ptitjes wonders whether Ainulindale is so closed every day Dec 23 13:54:59 Apart on the confusion we generated Dec 23 13:55:03 closed? Dec 23 13:55:09 minded Dec 23 13:55:20 I'm not close minded, I just know what I did and why I did it Dec 23 13:55:26 please see my point : Dec 23 13:55:32 And I think a good way to ask questions about that would be to ask why we did it that way Dec 23 13:55:38 Not why we did it wrong because X or Y Dec 23 13:55:39 opimd and the like won't have only Contacts and Messages Dec 23 13:55:54 And we'll implement new screens for that. Dec 23 13:55:54 mrmoku: you should install a git hook which gets executed when something is commited to shr-makefile and checksout the latest version of the makefile to that location (shr.bearstech.ch/Makefile) Dec 23 13:56:03 With specific names and functions. Dec 23 13:56:28 Ainulindale: please see above - I asked "quickdev: could that be possible to have generic phonegui_*_show/hide functions ?" Dec 23 13:56:31 Kensan: yeah we could do that Dec 23 13:56:52 ptitjes: Generic as in no specific target? Dec 23 13:57:02 As in "phonegui_screen_show(idscreen)"? Dec 23 13:57:04 Ainulindale: ok that is what I understand from the current way of doing things Dec 23 13:57:17 Ainulindale: I registered with trac, could you grant me rights to edit the wiki page? Dec 23 13:57:28 However, what if we have metadata about things to manage via guis Dec 23 13:57:45 Metadata? Which kind? Dec 23 13:57:50 Kensan: I think you can if you're registered Dec 23 13:58:19 Ainulindale: hm then I need to wait for the confirmation mail. Dec 23 13:58:21 Contacts (name:string, numbers (type:enum->number:string), ...) Dec 23 13:58:31 That's not handled that way ptitjes? Dec 23 13:58:35 s/?/./ Dec 23 13:58:37 Ainulindale meant: That's not handled that way ptitjes. Dec 23 13:59:13 Yeah but dbus apis may be used like this... this is why I ask if we could do it like this on our side too! Dec 23 13:59:21 ptitjes: As I told before Dec 23 13:59:24 That's not handled that way Dec 23 13:59:30 Because that has no meaning wrt libframeworkd-phonegui Dec 23 13:59:49 libframeworkd-phonegui is, now, a library for interaction between ophonekitd and libframeworkd-phonegui implementations Dec 23 13:59:53 ophonekitd doesn't care about the data Dec 23 13:59:55 the UI does Dec 23 14:00:08 there's no possible way we will/would handle data inside ophonekitd Dec 23 14:00:28 ok we'll stop discussing that... Dec 23 14:00:35 thanks anyway Dec 23 14:00:50 I have my answer Dec 23 14:00:51 I think you just don't get what I intended to do with phonegui, and what quickdev did on top of that Dec 23 14:00:59 dolf1074 and I got in the same argument Dec 23 14:01:08 The intention isn't to do what frameworkd does, it would be redundant. Dec 23 14:01:10 no matter Dec 23 14:01:19 yup, and now I giving Ainulindale right Dec 23 14:01:44 You saw the light :-p Dec 23 14:01:50 pfff Dec 23 14:01:50 yup Dec 23 14:01:56 ptitjes: I'm under the impression you're pissed =) Dec 23 14:02:16 I'm under the impression we are going in opposite way Dec 23 14:02:22 s/way/ways/ Dec 23 14:02:22 ptitjes meant: I'm under the impression we are going in opposite ways Dec 23 14:02:24 Sad to say, I've yet to see a good use case of what you're describing Dec 23 14:02:26 And I didn't see one Dec 23 14:02:41 That's because what you would like to do is a specification for libframeworkd-phonegui implementations Dec 23 14:02:49 and what libframeworkd-phonegui is, well, isn't that, simple as that Dec 23 14:02:55 You explained me the difference between screens/widgets/framework stuff and now I get it Dec 23 14:03:08 libframeworkd-phonegui is just there to help ophonekitd to interact with its implementations Dec 23 14:03:27 There is room for what you describe in specifications for libframeworkd-phonegui implementations but not for ophonekitd <> libframeworkd-phonegui Dec 23 14:03:37 But if you specify things like that Dec 23 14:03:42 It will just be a "norm" Dec 23 14:03:47 Not a really mean of exchange Dec 23 14:03:53 And it won't be usable as is, IMHO Dec 23 14:04:04 freesmartphone.org: 03niklas.coding 07libframeworkd-glib * rad3bb0a5bb52 10/src/ (frameworkd-glib-dbus.c frameworkd-glib-dbus.h): API Breackage! Renamed new_frameworkd_handler() to frameworkd_handler_new() and dbus_connect_to_bus() to frameworkd_handler_connect(). Dec 23 14:04:07 Here is my view : Dec 23 14:04:26 (let me please go to the end of explanation...:)) Dec 23 14:04:39 metadata-centric Dec 23 14:04:55 well ptitjes, everytime we talked on the phone you won't let me end what I say, that's my revenge :-p Dec 23 14:05:02 s/won't/wouldn't/ Dec 23 14:05:02 Ainulindale meant: well ptitjes, everytime we talked on the phone you wouldn't let me end what I say, that's my revenge :-p Dec 23 14:05:30 metadata describes the data that can be exchanged with frameworkd and displayed as lists or detail views on gui Dec 23 14:05:54 with that metadata you generate dbus calls to the framework Dec 23 14:06:15 you also generate default gui views' look and feel Dec 23 14:06:25 Can I talk now? :-) Dec 23 14:06:32 Else I'll forget what I have to say Dec 23 14:06:45 Ainulindale: write it down :p Dec 23 14:06:45 (write it in your notepad Dec 23 14:06:52 :) Dec 23 14:07:08 Well the principle of discussion is discussion if I can't talk there's no point Dec 23 14:07:13 It's IRC after all, you can review the backlog Dec 23 14:07:14 only one code dictates dbus calls -> gui rendering Dec 23 14:07:37 along side to that modules can add side views that acts as tools Dec 23 14:07:41 Well anyway, I'll repeat myself once again Dec 23 14:07:45 (dialer is such an example) Dec 23 14:07:50 Metadata => this is what libframeworkd-glib does already Dec 23 14:08:06 We won't generate default gui "look & feel" Dec 23 14:08:14 Because this has to be done specifically by the UI developer Dec 23 14:08:14 sorry where is the metadata in libframeworkd-glib ? Dec 23 14:08:33 ptitjes: What you described is exactly what is returned Dec 23 14:08:44 So either you didn't specify what you think by metadata Dec 23 14:08:49 Or you didn't see it Dec 23 14:08:59 Metadata is : domain classes Dec 23 14:09:11 sorry meta-class Dec 23 14:09:17 Metadata is schmlurtzlugbuzl. Dec 23 14:09:21 That's what I understood from your last line. Dec 23 14:09:26 Be explicit :-) Dec 23 14:09:41 matadata is data describing data Dec 23 14:09:45 Contacts have names Dec 23 14:09:53 etc... Dec 23 14:09:57 That's what libframeworkd-glib does then. Dec 23 14:10:01 Because frameworkd does it already Dec 23 14:10:05 There's no need to reinvent the wheel Dec 23 14:10:12 libframeworkd-glib gets data from frameworkd Dec 23 14:10:18 Frameworkd specifies "metadata". Dec 23 14:10:36 Ainulindale: reinventing the weel is fun :p Dec 23 14:10:37 So don't you use that metadata to derive the gui Dec 23 14:10:41 ? Dec 23 14:11:00 Schmurgzlluzbl again :-) Dec 23 14:11:12 Example: phonegui_show_details(metaclass c, object instance) Dec 23 14:11:21 Because this has no meaning Dec 23 14:11:27 As I told dolf1074 a while ago Dec 23 14:11:31 phonegui_show_list(metaclass c) Dec 23 14:11:36 You're talking here about specific UIs and such Dec 23 14:11:43 And libframeworkd-phonegui is simply not that Dec 23 14:11:50 libframeworkd-phonegui is a breakdown in functional screens Dec 23 14:11:56 is it possible to use gprs and make calls at the same time with gta0? ? Dec 23 14:11:57 you don't think generic and have lots of code to add every time a new domain object will show up Dec 23 14:12:11 ptitjes: nope Dec 23 14:12:33 You view the data and types as technical types, tied to libframeworkd-phonegui Dec 23 14:12:37 This isn't the case Dec 23 14:12:45 In libframeworkd-phonegui there are functional screens, once again Dec 23 14:12:49 dcordes: yes it should be possible Dec 23 14:12:51 Not technical pieces of UI Dec 23 14:12:54 thanks to the gsm muxer Dec 23 14:13:10 bumbl: you have no moko phone? Dec 23 14:13:11 ophonekitd should be able to display a contact list, and a contact Dec 23 14:13:15 But not to give data to the UI Dec 23 14:13:21 Because it's simply not there for that. Dec 23 14:13:29 you said it "ophonekitd should be able to display a contact list, and a contact" Dec 23 14:13:32 dcordes: I own one but I never used gprs Dec 23 14:13:48 it should also be able to display a message list, and a message Dec 23 14:13:55 etc... Dec 23 14:14:01 Yes. That's already there. Dec 23 14:14:05 somebody who can tell me if it works? Dec 23 14:14:26 thus generic phonegui_show_details and pÄ¥onegui_show_list Dec 23 14:14:27 as i said it should work Dec 23 14:14:32 dolf1074: Don't you think this has been discussed elsewhere? :-p Dec 23 14:14:39 ptitjes: no, again. Dec 23 14:14:50 I specifically want this breakdown Dec 23 14:14:57 Because I want to target specific functional screens Dec 23 14:15:08 I don't care about genericity, the principle itself is in breakdown in functional pieces Dec 23 14:15:14 It's as if you told me Dec 23 14:15:22 Let say I want to send a GSM AT command Dec 23 14:15:27 to call or send an SMS or whatever Dec 23 14:15:33 I'll have sendATCommand(command, parameters) Dec 23 14:15:40 Ainulindale: having a generic facade (design pattern) does not mean having generic implementations Dec 23 14:15:43 It's not readable, and it doesn't represent what I'll do as a functional unit Dec 23 14:15:53 you can have a registry of screens for metaclasses Dec 23 14:16:01 And that's why there's a functional breakdown in libframeworkd-phonegui Dec 23 14:16:05 And that's why it has been done that way Dec 23 14:16:07 ptitjes: Than you need wigets Dec 23 14:16:22 you can have a registry of screens for metaclasses Dec 23 14:16:36 don't you understand that ? Dec 23 14:16:55 *sigh* Dec 23 14:16:59 If won't need 2 exactly the same screens ever again. You will need 2 almost exact screen Dec 23 14:17:01 hmm it seems there is a communication barrier Dec 23 14:17:06 I see & understand what you're talking about ptitjes Dec 23 14:17:10 There's no understanding problem Dec 23 14:17:20 I just disagree because that's not what libframeworkd-phonegui is about Dec 23 14:17:25 Plain and simple, libframeworkd-phonegui is not that Dec 23 14:17:33 from the client point of view (developer client) this is far better Dec 23 14:17:42 arg Dec 23 14:17:44 No :-) Dec 23 14:17:46 That's not far better Dec 23 14:17:49 That's your point of view Dec 23 14:17:51 That's not mine Dec 23 14:17:57 You want to do a generic thing Dec 23 14:17:57 I don't Dec 23 14:18:01 I want a breakdown Dec 23 14:18:10 That's what I did because it's what is necessary IMHO Dec 23 14:18:22 I have no technical reasons to do different :-) Dec 23 14:18:45 Because it would imply a code more difficult to read and implement Dec 23 14:18:55 And it wouldn't break down the screens in functional pieces (again) Dec 23 14:19:02 libframeworkd-phonegui = breakdown in functional pieces Dec 23 14:19:05 no more, no less Dec 23 14:19:08 Ainulindale: have to go Dec 23 14:19:13 sy Dec 23 14:19:17 dolf1074: yeah but you read that already :-p Dec 23 14:19:32 Ainulindale: we must meet again some day Dec 23 14:19:40 ptitjes: seriously, call me, it'll be simpler, I already had this discussion twice =) Dec 23 14:19:49 I can't accept you don't see the point of being generic Dec 23 14:19:58 God dammit Dec 23 14:20:01 It's not that I don't see it Dec 23 14:20:09 It's that you want to put generic in something that isn't generic INTENTIONNALY Dec 23 14:20:31 That's the whole point of this library! Dec 23 14:20:40 being generic do not means don't have functionnal breakdown - it means having less code under the functionnal breakdown Dec 23 14:20:50 sigh... Dec 23 14:20:59 ptitjes: having a one line prototype is code to you? Dec 23 14:21:11 sorry ? Dec 23 14:21:16 libframeworkd-phonegui is that Dec 23 14:21:21 Prototypes. Dec 23 14:22:02 ok we will meet some day - soon I hope Dec 23 14:22:08 ptitjes: Call me god dammit =) Dec 23 14:22:16 this evening Dec 23 14:22:32 oh! can I call you now ? Dec 23 14:22:33 I don't think I'll be available tonight, depends on my girlfriend Dec 23 14:22:41 15:19:41 < Ainulindale> ptitjes: seriously, call me, it'll be simpler, I already had this discussion twice =) Dec 23 14:23:02 See? You don't listen to me :-) Dec 23 14:24:26 arf - answering machine Dec 23 14:24:38 Huh? Dec 23 14:24:41 Wait Dec 23 14:24:42 Ainulindale: restart ophonekitd :) Dec 23 14:24:47 It's there Dec 23 14:24:55 uh! Dec 23 14:25:01 Ainulindale: updated the wiki page Dec 23 14:25:07 Thanks :-) Dec 23 14:25:22 Ainulindale: somebody should put the latest makefile up though... Dec 23 14:25:31 Ainulindale: or install the git post-commit hook Dec 23 14:25:56 I'll t hink about that Kensan Dec 23 14:26:10 Ainulindale, a bot would be fine here Dec 23 14:26:13 ptitjes: relaunched it, retry Dec 23 14:26:13 for SHR things Dec 23 14:26:15 Yes Dec 23 14:26:23 And naked women Dec 23 14:26:31 Oh it creates a contact cache Dec 23 14:26:46 ptitjes: so? Dec 23 14:26:49 Answering machine again? Dec 23 14:27:06 sorry was making a coffee Dec 23 14:30:50 * mrmoku thinks coffee is a good idea :-) Dec 23 14:40:50 Ainulindale, when compiling libframeworkd-phonegui-efl, libframeworkd-glib always gets recompiled, too. Dec 23 14:40:52 why? :) Dec 23 14:47:56 (coffee here too and on the phone with ptitjes) Dec 23 14:58:11 Ainulindale: not on the line ? Dec 23 14:58:18 call you again Dec 23 14:58:20 Errr Dec 23 14:58:22 Yes I wa Dec 23 14:58:23 +s Dec 23 14:58:27 But I didn't hear a thing Dec 23 14:58:39 Do you want a landline number? Dec 23 15:06:36 hmm? Dec 23 15:06:46 Are you guys making freerunner calls between you now? :o Dec 23 15:07:16 Dave: landline is more stable :) Dec 23 15:07:41 I agree ;) Dec 23 15:11:40 All quiet on the moko front. Dec 23 15:15:56 Ainulindale, are you guys related to bearstech? or is it just a coincidence that you, ( Ainulindale and ptitjes ) and bearstech are french? Dec 23 15:16:21 Hi Tasn :) Dec 23 15:16:42 hey Dave are you by any chance a gtkrc 1337 haxor? Dec 23 15:16:43 ;] Dec 23 15:18:04 * mwester sends TAsn a dictionary Dec 23 15:18:21 :] Dec 23 15:19:03 mwester, ;] All I need is a man page and an artist, no need for a dictionary. Dec 23 15:19:11 oh, and free time. Dec 23 15:19:27 No, the dictionary woudl be to look up how to spell "elite hacker" Dec 23 15:19:28 :P Dec 23 15:20:05 oh so that's the spelling ;] Dec 23 15:20:13 mwester: As opposed to spelling would? ;-) Dec 23 15:20:30 hey Dave are you by any chance a gtkrc elite hacker? Dec 23 15:20:45 Not that I am aware of :) Dec 23 15:20:46 ;] Dec 23 15:20:50 mwester :P Dec 23 15:22:33 TAsn: it's coincidental Dec 23 15:23:09 Ainulindale, I see ;] are you sure you are not trying to start an open source french revolution? Dec 23 15:24:03 Not at all Dec 23 15:24:15 But if we do I'll make we'll conquer Israel Dec 23 15:25:23 If you end up conquering Israel please change the official language to something latin, even french will do! (God, I have Right-To-Left languages) Dec 23 15:25:33 s/have/hate/ Dec 23 15:25:34 TAsn meant: If you end up conquering Israel please change the official language to something latin, even french will do! (God, I hate Right-To-Left languages) Dec 23 15:39:02 I presume you would use the French Foreign Legion to do the conquering? Dec 23 15:39:14 * mwester would like to sign up. Dec 23 15:59:40 Hi Mwester, how are you today? Dec 23 16:06:50 BluesLee! Dec 23 16:07:02 hey dave Dec 23 16:07:53 Dave: i had a look into illume-shr.edje Dec 23 16:09:10 hi Dec 23 16:09:22 BluesLee: and what have you found out? Dec 23 16:09:37 Yay Dec 23 16:09:52 What did you find, BluesLee? Dec 23 16:10:17 bah humbug! Dec 23 16:10:22 :D Dec 23 16:11:24 i found out there is work to do Dec 23 16:11:55 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/d1bbcab05d45c6fdeb96acb318a05033.png Dec 23 16:12:07 the topshelf of this one is interesting Dec 23 16:12:43 i could do it myself but converting all that smal icons is a boring job Dec 23 16:12:45 Yeah Dec 23 16:13:04 BluesLee, Dave, no it's not! it's rather weird and ugly ;] Dec 23 16:13:28 it would fit better to a black theme Dec 23 16:13:42 the illume grey is ugly Dec 23 16:13:49 yeah Dec 23 16:15:29 and i dont understand why the desktop are outside of this edje files Dec 23 16:15:42 at least the default ones should be included Dec 23 16:16:40 why i should change the topshelf ones in a container and provide also some icons which are located in the fs (/usr/share/icons/...) Dec 23 16:18:11 and those edje files seem to be not compatible ?! i cannot decompress them on my desktop Dec 23 16:18:55 Ainulindale, here? Dec 23 16:21:10 weirdness Dec 23 16:24:50 BluesLee: you should be able to decompress them Dec 23 16:26:49 quickdev: yes Dec 23 16:28:37 Ainulindale, when compiling libframeworkd-phonegui-efl, libframeworkd-glib always gets recompiled, too. Dec 23 16:28:40 why? Dec 23 16:29:31 bumbl|xmas-mood: not on the desktop, it doesnt work Dec 23 16:30:09 edje_decc illume_sun.edj Dec 23 16:30:10 ERROR: cannot open illume_sun.edj Dec 23 16:30:43 edc looks like c language Dec 23 16:31:02 no Dec 23 16:31:13 :) Dec 23 16:31:20 Blueslee, do you like edje? Dec 23 16:31:36 for sure not Dec 23 16:31:56 yeah :p Dec 23 16:32:11 but i dont have a choice;-) Dec 23 16:32:49 quickdev: my bet is that it's not recompiled Dec 23 16:32:52 BluesLee, why not? edje is nice. Dec 23 16:32:56 check if it executes build or compile Dec 23 16:32:58 I bet it doesn't Dec 23 16:33:23 NOTE: package libframeworkd-glib-0.0.1+gitr71+ad3bb0a5bb521ce8de424cf5ca702f23731c6333-r0: task do_compile: started Dec 23 16:33:29 Ainulindale, what did we bet about? ;) Dec 23 16:33:33 clean and retry Dec 23 16:33:37 (clean libframeworkd-phonegui) Dec 23 16:33:50 quickdev, I don't think that means it's actually compiling Dec 23 16:33:55 Ainulindale, please try it yourself. Already did that some times Dec 23 16:34:02 it can as well be checking for the existence of .o's ;] Dec 23 16:34:03 Well, I never saw that problem Dec 23 16:34:10 Ainulindale, shr-unstable Dec 23 16:34:14 bitbake libframeworkd-phonegui-efl Dec 23 16:34:24 currently trying on testing Dec 23 16:34:35 Oooh damn Dec 23 16:34:36 Wrong idea Dec 23 16:34:47 (OE update) Dec 23 16:35:06 mrmoku? Dec 23 16:35:13 gg Dec 23 16:35:17 :D Dec 23 16:35:22 haha quickdev Dec 23 16:35:25 quickdev: stopped it anyway so there's no problem :-) Dec 23 16:39:04 Ok quickdev I see that. Dec 23 16:39:10 Seems the cache is borked somehow Dec 23 16:39:45 For no reason that I know of Dec 23 16:40:02 Ainulindale: will there be a nice christmass/newyear-update-present? :) Dec 23 16:42:30 Zorkman: hopefully Dec 23 16:42:49 Ainulindale, let's talk a bit about USSD. Once you issued a request, for example you want to get your balance, then not only one response might follow. The first message could be the balance and 10 seconds later you get a "terminated" ussd response. Or the first response is a message that says: "Send 1 to do this, send 2 to do that".....So I need to handle multiple ussd requests. Dec 23 16:43:11 Yes? Dec 23 16:43:24 Should I call phonegui_ussd_show() for each ussd response and then manage things internally? I don't want a new window for each ussd response Dec 23 16:43:33 Yeah, totally Dec 23 16:43:36 That's how I see things Dec 23 16:43:41 Same thing for new incoming messages Dec 23 16:43:47 Let say you receive two in a row Dec 23 16:43:58 You might implement something to have next/previous Dec 23 16:44:11 yeah, right, ok Dec 23 16:44:13 ophonekitd won't care Dec 23 16:44:20 this is the inner abilities of the UI Dec 23 16:48:38 hmm Ainulindale or quickdev or mrmoku would someone mind building fennec alpha 2 on buildhost? Dec 23 16:51:09 Ainulindale, how to fix that borked cache? rm -rf / ? Dec 23 16:51:31 s/\//~/ Dec 23 16:52:03 oh my god Dec 23 16:52:13 what is "s/\//~/"?!?! Dec 23 16:52:29 Hire: "replace / with ~" Dec 23 16:52:30 ;p Dec 23 16:52:40 ohh Dec 23 16:52:56 it is hard ( lazy ) to put a special char as ~ Dec 23 16:53:00 i prefer rm -rf . Dec 23 16:53:04 more fancy Dec 23 16:53:08 bumbl|xmas-mood: it doesn't buil Dec 23 16:53:09 +d Dec 23 16:53:18 why fennec? Dec 23 16:53:18 quickdev: well no idea Dec 23 16:53:21 but meanwhile use bitbakee -b Dec 23 16:53:28 when now we have ewww? Dec 23 16:53:39 Hire: have we? Dec 23 16:53:40 ( too much w ... ) Dec 23 16:57:41 Ainulindale: yeah, here for a moment Dec 23 16:57:45 ah, nice Dec 23 16:57:48 so, this evdev thingy Dec 23 16:58:04 if you rmmod, no keystroke? Dec 23 16:58:12 did not try set (yet) Dec 23 16:58:23 Then tell me :-) Dec 23 17:00:08 Ainulindale: hmm, get still keystroke without module... will try the other way round and install the module on the other system Dec 23 17:00:18 can someone give me a bearing to ewww? :x Dec 23 17:00:45 hmm good work, they release alpha two and it does not build Dec 23 17:08:40 bumbl|xmas-mood: that's because the bb file doesn't reflect that Dec 23 17:11:25 Ainulindale: forget the idea about a missing module... not the culprit :( Dec 23 17:13:56 Ah :-) Dec 23 17:14:07 mrmoku: Weirdly enough Dec 23 17:14:13 If I cat event0 Dec 23 17:14:18 AUX reacts, but not power Dec 23 17:14:21 and X doesn't pick up that Dec 23 17:14:58 dos1: http://staff.get-e.org/~barbieri/ewww.png <-- here it is :* Dec 23 17:15:17 Ainulindale: yeah, just tried that... kernel basics seem to work Dec 23 17:15:21 Hire: thx my god :* Dec 23 17:15:21 ;p Dec 23 17:15:49 mrmoku: well power doesn't send an input here Dec 23 17:15:51 ahh power not... hmm (reboot) Dec 23 17:16:33 (argghh and after that another one because I forgot to remove noboot-GTA02 :() Dec 23 17:19:41 quickdev: ophonekitd: symbol lookup error: ophonekitd: undefined symbol: frameworkd_handler_new Dec 23 17:19:53 dos1, unstable? Dec 23 17:19:59 yes Dec 23 17:20:04 opkg update & upgrade Dec 23 17:20:21 i done it few minutes ago Dec 23 17:20:29 Ainulindale: ok, that power does not create events on event0 seems to be normal Dec 23 17:20:41 dos1, opkg list | grep frameworkd-glib Dec 23 17:20:48 get no events on my working system, but the sysaction menu pops up Dec 23 17:20:49 quickdev: there is nothing upgrading Dec 23 17:21:13 dos1, /etc/opkg/bearstech.conf points to shr-unstalbe and not testing? Dec 23 17:21:30 Ok then. Dec 23 17:21:40 quickdev: unstable and testing :x Dec 23 17:21:47 libframeworkd-glib0 - 0.0.1+gitr26330e402a603eebdeb71522893679aea38009ce-r0.1 - Dec 23 17:21:59 dos1, set it only to unstable Dec 23 17:22:28 Ainulindale, we seriously should fix /etc/opkg/bearstech.conf Dec 23 17:22:41 yes Dec 23 17:22:48 but unstable is unstable Dec 23 17:22:51 I have half working patch for that Dec 23 17:22:57 people using it shouldn't be dim-witted, so to speak :-) Dec 23 17:23:15 Ainulindale: but having testing in there is just plain wrong Dec 23 17:23:26 yes Dec 23 17:23:27 and even if you know what to do you still have to change it Dec 23 17:23:32 but that's not my priority :-) Dec 23 17:23:51 yep, priority should be not working stuff like keystrokes, right ;) Dec 23 17:24:09 didn't get you here Dec 23 17:24:10 Ainulindale: i always mix repos Dec 23 17:24:11 :) Dec 23 17:24:17 but keystrokes are important Dec 23 17:24:22 they condition suspend & lock Dec 23 17:24:26 which are important features Dec 23 17:24:27 (mrmoku, stuff like the opkg.conf should have a highter priority ;) ) Dec 23 17:24:41 the lack of them implying the lack of my time by answering to too much whining Dec 23 17:25:00 Ainulindale, answer the whining of opkg.conf things instead ;) Dec 23 17:25:07 nah Dec 23 17:25:24 Hire: do you have any ideas how to handle the topshelf? colors, icons ... Dec 23 17:26:51 quickdev: are there other packages "affected" by mixing testing and unstable repos? Dec 23 17:27:19 dos1, does it work now? Dec 23 17:27:25 I don't know Dec 23 17:27:29 quickdev: Package libframeworkd-glib0 md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'. Dec 23 17:27:49 i did rm /var/lib/opkg/* and opkg update Dec 23 17:27:49 yeah..do opkg update before Dec 23 17:28:00 quickdev: i done it 3 times ;p Dec 23 17:28:06 opkg remove -nodeps libframeworkd-glib0 Dec 23 17:28:13 opkg install libframeworkd-glibß Dec 23 17:28:13 i done it too Dec 23 17:28:13 Ainulindale: power button seems to be input4 (PMU events) Dec 23 17:28:30 quickdev: i done it, i done it :) Dec 23 17:28:33 dos1, try update again..I just compiled that lib Dec 23 17:28:39 mrmoku: well I don't know what could have caused the lack of keystroke Dec 23 17:28:45 quickdev: ok Dec 23 17:29:20 quickdev: installed Dec 23 17:29:58 ophonekitd started Dec 23 17:30:03 thanks ;) Dec 23 17:36:00 quickdev: it is working well... and gui is much better than in testing :) how's going ussd support? Dec 23 17:36:13 i've just seen "service data" window.. but it was blank Dec 23 17:37:38 Ainulindale: bitbaking xev now :-) Dec 23 17:37:58 have to eat first though :( Dec 23 17:38:32 quickdev: in ophonekitd log ussd message is displayed Dec 23 17:38:54 dos1, yeah - don't bug report yet - it's in progress Dec 23 17:39:31 quickdev: ok :) that's why i'm reporting it in only on irc Dec 23 17:39:40 ok ;) Dec 23 17:50:42 quickdev: btw, shouldn't ophonekit react on killall ophonekitd? ;] Dec 23 17:50:57 dos1, kill -9 $PID Dec 23 17:51:05 and yeah, it should Dec 23 17:51:18 quickdev: yep, i know, but... it isn't elegant :D Dec 23 17:51:29 file a bug or fix it yourself :) Dec 23 17:52:44 mrmoku, Ainulindale http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR -> Setup your local.conf <- shouldn't that file contain MUCH more? Have a look at the buildhosts local.conf Dec 23 17:53:33 That's because it uploads stats Dec 23 17:53:33 Ainulindale, quickdev: you know that I once bugged you with my Sim without PIN security? I flashed the unstable image and have the same problems Dec 23 17:53:47 Ainulindale, yeah right..just compared things, ok Dec 23 17:54:00 Ainulindale, at least it should contain MACHINE_CLASS (bugfix) Dec 23 17:54:26 dolf1074, are you online in 2-3 hours? I could fix that then Dec 23 17:54:29 tell that to the makefile maintainer :-p Dec 23 17:54:38 quickdev: yes Dec 23 17:56:58 And quickdev. If I put the PIN security on, It connects to provider and shows the 'Sim full' info screen ;) Dec 23 17:57:01 merry christmas mokos: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/d0b6f1d14b74c7887ec7d5478f4c9215.png :D Dec 23 17:57:34 isn't hot, sorry Dec 23 17:57:57 it's your choice ;) Dec 23 17:59:38 i did sex with more beautiful woman Dec 23 18:00:52 Ainulindale: Is it normal that the keyboard of the unstable release is so slow? Dec 23 18:00:58 or should I file a bug :p Dec 23 18:01:06 dolf1074: yes, it's normal Dec 23 18:01:10 utf8 fix :P Dec 23 18:01:40 hope it will be fixed soon, because it is sometimes really slow :( Dec 23 18:02:43 dolf1074: it's e problem - fix to utf8 support slowed keybord sooo mach Dec 23 18:02:44 much* Dec 23 18:02:53 (ech, my poor english :x) Dec 23 18:03:24 yeah, I though it was upstream problem. Hope that raster fix it soon Dec 23 18:12:27 quickdev: Ainulindale: when do you want to put libframework-phonegui-efl into shr_testing? Dec 23 18:13:30 because I'm doing some more testing right know and I already found some things. And I want to post those bugs before that Dec 23 18:14:08 quickdev: might ticket 85 be related to vagalume not packaging all installed files? Dec 23 18:15:41 btw, what's the latest on opimd/abraxa? Dec 23 18:19:12 Ainulindale: I can't install the debug packages of ophonekitd on unstable or I have to downgrade ophonekitd to gitr514 (from gitr525) Dec 23 18:19:16 what should I do? Dec 23 18:29:43 Would someone tell me point me to a link about hardware that is currently working with the android port? Dec 23 18:30:46 ... Dec 23 18:31:08 king: why are you repeating? Dec 23 18:31:09 ;p Dec 23 18:31:39 in hopes of catching someones attention :( Dec 23 18:31:44 http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/Cell-Phone-Detail.aspx?cell-phone=T-Mobile-G1-with-Google-Black Dec 23 18:31:52 Google is your friend... Dec 23 18:33:42 dcordes: frameworkd-devel fails to build Dec 23 18:34:16 dcordes: it says /etc/freesmartphone/ogsmd/networks.tab is missing. Dec 23 18:34:24 dcordes: when packaging Dec 23 18:37:05 Anybody have a clue? Error: CONTROL/conffiles mentions conffile /etc/freesmartphone/ogsmd/networks.tab which does not exist Dec 23 18:37:20 when trying to build frameworkd-devel Dec 23 18:40:50 dolf1074: that's weird Dec 23 18:42:29 where frameworkd is using vibrator? i want to make profiles without vibra, but i can't find something in rules.yaml or opreferences/conf Dec 23 18:43:41 can't find anything* :x Dec 23 18:44:56 and my next question Dec 23 18:45:03 i know you like my questions ;] Dec 23 18:45:28 will shr kernel use touchscreen patches from om-testing? Dec 23 18:47:47 quickdev: is it okay to switch to switch to unstable feed and do the tests there? Dec 23 18:48:12 quickdev: your lib isnt included in testing yet Dec 23 18:52:39 quickdev or someone else: can someone insert python-mokoui2 in shr repo? Dec 23 18:52:40 http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/python-mokoui2_0.1.0+svnr4342_armv4t.ipk Dec 23 19:04:35 dos1, I'm also in favor! ;] (mokoui-2) especially since pyphonelog prefers using mokoui and not the regular scrollbars! Dec 23 19:04:36 dolf1074: it's in rules.yaml Dec 23 19:04:40 hmpf Dec 23 19:04:41 sorry dolf1074 Dec 23 19:04:46 was talking to dos1 Dec 23 19:04:55 dos1: VibratorAction IIRC Dec 23 19:05:24 Ainulindale: StartVibration and StopVibration is in comments Dec 23 19:05:38 but it isn't used Dec 23 19:05:52 and phone is vibrating Dec 23 19:05:57 so its not here Dec 23 19:06:50 TAsn: yes, phonelog, and pythm too Dec 23 19:07:15 dos1, As I said, I agree. ;] Dec 23 19:07:17 back! Dec 23 19:07:23 ptitjes, wb! Dec 23 19:07:30 Hi TAsn! Dec 23 19:08:13 have you seen the recent improvements? (support for private numbers) Dec 23 19:08:13 ;] Dec 23 19:09:12 Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/m6fcd0e6d Dec 23 19:10:46 hmm... customising scenarios files... again? :x Dec 23 19:10:55 TAsn: no not yet Dec 23 19:11:05 was really really busy these days :) Dec 23 19:11:26 Ainulindale: did read my mail ? Dec 23 19:11:35 can someone recommend me some scenario files, which aren't so quiet? Dec 23 19:12:07 ok, nvm Dec 23 19:12:13 dos1: I'm interested if you cook some! Dec 23 19:13:42 Ainulindale: nvm, that's because the feeds of unstable are still pointing to the testing ones Dec 23 19:14:07 dos1: is there a bb recipe for python-mokoui2 ? I can't find it in oe... Dec 23 19:14:17 if you point it to me I'll add it to shr! Dec 23 19:14:28 ptitjes: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/gsmhandset.state - this is my old, from time when i was using 2007.2 Dec 23 19:14:56 ptitjes: i wasn't able to find it too :( Dec 23 19:15:02 dos1: does it make the sound louder ? Dec 23 19:15:22 ptitjes: AFAIR yes, but i will check it now Dec 23 19:16:19 mwester:ping Dec 23 19:16:53 Does someone know if Marco Trevisan is on IRC ? if yes what is his nick ? Dec 23 19:17:03 ptitjes: yes, it's so louder Dec 23 19:17:17 héhé :) Dec 23 19:17:31 ptitjes: but now i don't know how noticable is echo Dec 23 19:17:46 arf Dec 23 19:18:20 because i don't know if shr has AT%N1087 patch over frameworkd Dec 23 19:18:51 dos1: grep for it Dec 23 19:19:25 "dpkg -L fso-frameworkd|xargs grep %N" in debian, i'm sure opkg has something similar Dec 23 19:20:43 dos1: afaik its not included! Dec 23 19:21:06 dos1: but you may try http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/036068.html Dec 23 19:21:18 BluesLee: i know it Dec 23 19:21:33 but why it isn't included by default? Dec 23 19:21:46 ask Ainulindale Dec 23 19:21:51 or mickey|dinner Dec 23 19:22:02 or openmoko Dec 23 19:22:33 dos1: it isn't. Dec 23 19:26:03 I think that if its not in SHR this is because it would need a patch that adds a patch... Dec 23 19:26:13 Why not in FSO... this is a mistery Dec 23 19:26:19 for me Dec 23 19:29:07 no one cares;-) Dec 23 19:30:14 freerunner user are really hard guys they dont care about things like buzz and echo Dec 23 19:30:39 openmoko wanted to name it chucky in the beginning Dec 23 19:30:43 Yeah, the ones that do care about it get beaten down on the mailing lists. Dec 23 19:30:44 BluesLee: the freerunner user don't care. But the person on the other end do Dec 23 19:30:58 i know dolf1074:-) Dec 23 19:31:25 i don't have buzzing in FR worse than in my nokia 6230i Dec 23 19:31:27 mwester: with words like "stop whining" Dec 23 19:32:00 BluesLee: should i say the same to you? ;) Dec 23 19:32:03 my girlfriend confirmed that ;] Dec 23 19:32:04 But we are all happy the optimization team solved it all Dec 23 19:32:29 lindi-: i am whining on the irc channels Dec 23 19:33:10 lindi-: its very important for me that this issues will be solved soon otherwise i will sell that guy Dec 23 19:33:30 and buy me gta09, hehe Dec 23 19:34:54 dos1: I'm jalous! Dec 23 19:35:14 (that your fr don't buzz - not for your girlfriend ;)) Dec 23 19:35:31 :D Dec 23 19:35:37 my fr is lucky... Dec 23 19:35:46 i had a talk with a friend today Dec 23 19:35:52 only red aux led is power hungry Dec 23 19:36:02 rest - i didn't have wsod Dec 23 19:36:12 and he wanted to switch his sim card into the neo to do some test Dec 23 19:36:12 neither did I Dec 23 19:36:36 BluesLee: that might be interesting Dec 23 19:36:43 keep us in touch Dec 23 19:36:46 the gsm volume was so low with his provider Dec 23 19:37:16 i couldnt hear anything at all Dec 23 19:37:16 I'll do DocScrutinizer trick because the buzz is really loud here Dec 23 19:37:35 ptitjes: yes read it, good to go as is Dec 23 19:37:42 and he wants to buy a freerunner Dec 23 19:37:44 gracias Dec 23 19:37:47 ptitjes: would be nice to have some professional do it Dec 23 19:38:10 ptitjes: by the way Dec 23 19:38:17 lindi-: you are so right! Dec 23 19:38:17 I just bought the Boss GT 10 Dec 23 19:38:22 Do you know about it? Dec 23 19:38:52 lindi-: I've heard of a UK compagny that do it... but nothing here in france :( Dec 23 19:38:59 it would be very simple if om would say "the hw fix is official now... this is the way to go ..." Dec 23 19:39:27 ptitjes: but why the owners should pay for it? Dec 23 19:39:45 ptitjes: though i would ... Dec 23 19:40:45 Ainulindale: Did not before - but after reading about it, it seems quite complete. Just wonders if there is PC editor to really take profit of the USB ? Dec 23 19:41:04 SEems there is, and anyway it's an audio input Dec 23 19:41:08 So it's usable as is Dec 23 19:41:11 (cubase and such) Dec 23 19:41:15 ptitjes: I'm just in love with it Dec 23 19:41:18 BluesLee: I just can't do anything else than aggreeing! Dec 23 19:41:24 Next thing, plugging it on my hifi setup Dec 23 19:41:55 Ainulindale: oula! you will burn your hifi setup! Dec 23 19:42:03 why is that? Dec 23 19:42:16 ptitjes: i am so angry, you can see it here http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e89c113088a066b4d3a79c8b76a027ab.png Dec 23 19:42:30 as long as the impedance is right, why would it burn? Dec 23 19:42:43 I think it is a pro-audio line-level output (+4dBU) Dec 23 19:43:23 So? Dec 23 19:43:30 (remember, electronic&sound dummy here) Dec 23 19:43:42 (this is your chance to get back at me :-p) Dec 23 19:43:56 A little bit of saturation and you can say bye to your (-10dBV reference level low dynamic range) hifi input Dec 23 19:44:18 Different electrical levels Dec 23 19:44:32 Well I thought this was normalized at the end of the device Dec 23 19:44:44 And there's a coaxial output so I didn't think that was as important Dec 23 19:44:54 Hifi input electrical potential for -10dbV is less than the one for +4dBU Dec 23 19:45:09 But the amplitude range is less on hifi Dec 23 19:45:10 Do you know I have no idea what you're talking about? Dec 23 19:45:18 ok forget it Dec 23 19:45:34 Just put a limiter after your footbar Dec 23 19:46:22 Ainulindale: normalized or limited ? Dec 23 19:46:33 Realtime normalization is not accurate Dec 23 19:46:45 so you might mean limited Dec 23 19:46:51 query :-) Dec 23 19:46:56 oups Dec 23 19:48:08 back Dec 23 19:48:19 dolf1074, insert tickets into trac if that answers your questions Dec 23 19:53:44 quickdev: What was my question? :) Dec 23 19:54:14 okay, I know it again :) Dec 23 19:56:20 quickdev: I have now a weird bug: http://pastebin.com/md2c73a Dec 23 19:59:34 dolf1074: also upgrade libframeworkd-glib... Dec 23 19:59:43 dolf1074, you're using shr-unstable and you haven't updated things in /etc/opkg/bearstech.conf from shr-testing to shr-unstable? :) Dec 23 20:00:24 I did, but it can be that I installed in between some testing packages. Will look into it ;) Dec 23 20:01:28 dolf1074: you must update libframeworkd-glib0 to version from unstable Dec 23 20:01:46 because opkg thinks, that version from testing is newer Dec 23 20:01:46 okay that was the problem. thanks ptitjes/quickdev/dos1 Dec 23 20:02:11 dos1, why does opkg think the version is newer? that's not correct behavior :) Dec 23 20:02:45 quickdev: I think it is because of the "-1" in testing Dec 23 20:03:07 All the ipks have -1 in there revision... Dec 23 20:03:15 ptitjes: no Dec 23 20:03:17 Forgot to talk about that with Ainulindale Dec 23 20:03:35 a) it is .1, no -1 Dec 23 20:03:39 ptitjes, why forget to talk about that with Ainulindale (ping) ? ;) Dec 23 20:04:02 The correspondent you're trying to reach is unavailable. Please leave a message. Dec 23 20:04:06 yeah why not talk to Ainulindale (ping again) :p Dec 23 20:04:08 The correspondent you're trying to reach is unavailable. Please leave a message. Dec 23 20:04:17 redial Dec 23 20:04:25 Segmentation fault. Dec 23 20:04:32 restart freerunner Dec 23 20:04:38 lol ;) Dec 23 20:04:44 Cucumber error. Please reboot the universe. Dec 23 20:04:59 install debug packages Dec 23 20:05:13 libframeworkd-glib0_0.0.1+gitr26330e402a603eebdeb71522893679aea38009ce-r0.1_armv4t.ipk is newer than http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/libframeworkd-glib0_0.0.1+gitr71+ad3bb0a5bb521ce8de424cf5ca702f23731c6333-r0_armv4t.ipk Dec 23 20:05:48 uh Dec 23 20:06:14 0.0.1+gitr26330e402a603eebdeb71522893679aea38009ce-r0.1 vs 0.0.1+gitr71+ad3bb0a5bb521ce8de424cf5ca702f23731c6333-r0 Dec 23 20:06:23 first from testing, second from unstable Dec 23 20:06:27 dos1: yeah sorry ".1" not "-1" Dec 23 20:06:29 That's because there's a fixed revision. Dec 23 20:06:35 THe issue doesn't come from the .1 Dec 23 20:06:42 But from the fact the version isn't sortable when it's fixed. Dec 23 20:07:02 yeah, correct Dec 23 20:07:22 quickdev: you doubted me?! Dec 23 20:07:29 You won't inherit my panties anymore. Dec 23 20:07:30 ohhh!!! Dec 23 20:07:32 You're out of my will. Dec 23 20:07:35 argh. Dec 23 20:08:09 Ainulindale, we should fix it anyway, because it's no right behavior Dec 23 20:08:21 We can't Dec 23 20:08:27 I did this for shr.bbclass Dec 23 20:08:32 But I can't do that for every other thing Dec 23 20:08:37 That's bitbake. Dec 23 20:08:45 ~patch bitbake Dec 23 20:09:12 Ainulindale, could you initiate a discussion on their mailing list? Dec 23 20:10:33 Well, I could, but I want to talk about that on #oe first Dec 23 20:10:51 are you doing that atm? Dec 23 20:11:46 No, because I'm doing another thing :-) Dec 23 20:12:03 Ainulindale, a different or another? Dec 23 20:12:22 Different. Dec 23 20:12:32 quickdev: he is speaking with me :) Dec 23 20:12:32 smoking, drinking or playing game boy? :) Dec 23 20:12:49 quickdev: I don't own a game boy Dec 23 20:13:00 quickdev: you know this is really much more important! Dec 23 20:13:03 I'm going to beat the hell up of my parents at trivial pursuit Dec 23 20:13:03 ;) Dec 23 20:13:04 wii Dec 23 20:13:44 oui wii Dec 23 20:14:41 mwester: Tu es un âne bâté dont l'outrecuidance n'est pour égale que l'infâmie dont tu fais preuve à l'égard de notre fabuleux langage. Dec 23 20:14:49 s/n'est/n'a/ Dec 23 20:14:49 Ainulindale meant: mwester: Tu es un âne bâté dont l'outrecuidance n'a pour égale que l'infâmie dont tu fais preuve à l'égard de notre fabuleux langage. Dec 23 20:14:57 mwester: babelfish that :-p Dec 23 20:15:19 i see questionmarks :o Dec 23 20:15:33 UTF8 is your friend. Dec 23 20:16:00 hehe! Dec 23 20:16:24 yes, i know Dec 23 20:16:36 but i think i'm using utf8 Dec 23 20:17:20 dos1: well write "I don't like accents!", we'll see Dec 23 20:17:23 Ainulindale: what does "âne bâté" mean? Dec 23 20:17:38 c'est rude. Dec 23 20:17:42 :P Dec 23 20:17:42 admiral0: well... how can I translate that Dec 23 20:17:44 from admiral0 i see accents Dec 23 20:17:52 on #openmoko-pl i see polish accents Dec 23 20:17:59 only yours i don't see Dec 23 20:18:03 Ainulindale ;] Dec 23 20:18:05 mwester: do you speak french ? Dec 23 20:18:15 well I'm full UTF8 dos1 Dec 23 20:18:16 very very poorly. Dec 23 20:18:22 zażółć gęślÄ… jaźl Dec 23 20:18:25 dos1: that's because he uses latin1 Dec 23 20:18:37 I took French class in high school (reqiured classes in Canada) Dec 23 20:18:38 admiral0: i don't know how to translate that :-) Dec 23 20:18:49 being an "âne" is being dumb Dec 23 20:19:01 and being an "âne bâté" is being more dumb than that Dec 23 20:19:05 (an âne is a donkey) Dec 23 20:19:07 mwester: oh nice! Dec 23 20:19:54 :P But I clearly didn't learn it very well, as Ainulindale has noted! :D Dec 23 20:20:21 Huhu :-) Dec 23 20:20:44 mwester: well, I used a specific register of language, so... Dec 23 20:20:54 quickdev: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/216#comment:3 Because you couln't solve it, I have solve it :p Dec 23 20:20:58 It's as if I used thou and thee and thy and such Dec 23 20:21:38 dolf1074, great :) Dec 23 20:21:57 dolf1074, and everything because our Ainulindale is just too lazy to fix a 2min thing Dec 23 20:21:58 quickdev: how ussd support is going? :) Dec 23 20:22:04 what is supposed to work now? Dec 23 20:23:23 quickdev: what, what? Dec 23 20:23:29 dos1, not yet Dec 23 20:23:32 Ainulindale, opkg.conf Dec 23 20:23:34 quickdev: no all because of my jungle jungle with different things Dec 23 20:23:43 quickdev: well it's not a two minute thing Dec 23 20:23:48 repos and so on Dec 23 20:23:50 and I really have other thing to do right now :-) Dec 23 20:24:00 And it's not my fault if dolf1074 is belgian Dec 23 20:24:04 Ainulindale, it's just a condition in shr-image.inc, not? Dec 23 20:24:06 s/belgian/stupid/ Dec 23 20:24:06 Ainulindale meant: And it's not my fault if dolf1074 is stupid Dec 23 20:24:07 :-p Dec 23 20:24:17 quickdev: no idea at all, really Dec 23 20:24:23 Ainulindale, I make a patch Dec 23 20:24:25 lalalalalalala Dec 23 20:24:26 and you review it Dec 23 20:24:34 dolf1074: well I can't blame you Dec 23 20:24:41 You're stupid, but you have all the beers Dec 23 20:24:46 I'd be stupid if I could Dec 23 20:25:10 That's better than with the germans at least Dec 23 20:25:19 They're stupid but they have beers which taste like piss Dec 23 20:25:38 (now that everybody hates me, can I go back to my stuff? :-p) Dec 23 20:25:40 luckily I'm Belgian Dec 23 20:25:47 Ainulindale: no Dec 23 20:25:59 Now everybody hates you, they will all bother you more Dec 23 20:26:22 same cause, other result Dec 23 20:26:54 Ainulindale: just to bother you Dec 23 20:27:50 dolf1074: can't hear you my IRC client is buzzing Dec 23 20:28:26 dolf1074: lalal Dec 23 20:28:31 Ainulindale: lala Dec 23 20:28:48 Damn I'm really stupid, like Ainulindale said Dec 23 20:29:07 shut up Dec 23 20:29:10 * dos1 shut up Dec 23 20:29:13 (echo :D) Dec 23 20:29:35 I'm the one with a freerunner, so don't hear the echo Dec 23 20:29:52 dolf1074: i have freerunner too Dec 23 20:30:15 so there are no echo :) Dec 23 20:30:15 so we both are hearing echo :x Dec 23 20:30:24 shhhht Dec 23 20:30:38 I heard that if someone calls a freerunner with another freerunner, and another freerunner is close to the two other one, the universe will implode Dec 23 20:30:38 if we don't say a thing, there is no echo Dec 23 20:31:41 why didn't it already happen? Dec 23 20:32:07 I called a freerunner with a freerunner close to another freerunner Dec 23 20:32:22 Ainulindale: your theory sucks Dec 23 20:33:56 So's your face (damn, parse error) Dec 23 20:34:26 who's the stupid guy Dec 23 20:34:30 now Dec 23 20:34:51 :p Dec 23 20:35:49 wow limited number of characters ? Dec 23 20:35:54 * mwester begins to jot down notes on his new theory about the correlation between software development "productivity" and "silliness" Dec 23 20:36:15 héhé! Dec 23 20:38:42 mwester goes for noble price Dec 23 20:42:32 Ainulindale: will packages with .1 be in unstable? Dec 23 20:43:21 i want to check if other packages than libframeworkd-glib0 is affected by upgrading from testing over unstable Dec 23 20:44:26 are affected* Dec 23 20:52:12 Ainulindale: WTF is that build? it is unpatched OE me thinks (or at least not completely) Dec 23 20:52:34 for example /etc/init.d/rc is still the old one (before the fastboot patches) Dec 23 20:53:03 Kensan: this error was fixed in the latetst revision Dec 23 21:13:15 Ainulindale, this could be interesting: http://git.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=blob;f=packages/openmoko-projects/openmoko-community-repository.bb;h=f652e0e6a56b26ffc363ab30c5fb1b73f0addc8c;hb=aa76b93535c4562eead2f300415784098f7bcfaa Dec 23 21:13:50 what we need: The variable containing the image name Dec 23 21:17:24 ${IMAGE_NAME} Dec 23 21:18:20 quickdev: IMAGE_NAME contains what? Dec 23 21:18:43 are you talking about configuring opkg correctly? Dec 23 21:19:32 mrmoku, yes Dec 23 21:19:52 I was trying to do it with DISTRO_TYPE... Dec 23 21:20:10 maybe IMAGE_NAME would work better Dec 23 21:20:22 do you know what it should contain? Dec 23 21:21:32 mrmoku, a part of IMAGE_NAME will be shr-unstable / shr-testing afaik Dec 23 21:30:01 isn't navit in shr-unstable? Dec 23 21:30:10 no Dec 23 21:30:12 however Dec 23 21:30:21 you have to install from download.navit-otherthings Dec 23 21:30:39 http://download.navit-project.org/navit/openmoko/svn/ Dec 23 21:30:40 here Dec 23 21:30:54 but it is in shr-testing :x Dec 23 21:31:07 no :+ Dec 23 21:35:25 oh, it is in unstable Dec 23 21:35:32 my opkg is crazy Dec 23 21:36:24 ok... Dec 23 21:36:27 but it is old Dec 23 21:36:32 know Dec 23 21:36:42 i installed from your url Dec 23 21:36:46 do you know that I lov you ? :* Dec 23 21:36:52 but I prefer a woman with a vagina Dec 23 21:37:13 i so happy Dec 23 21:37:16 ;p Dec 23 21:37:26 nice to know Dec 23 21:42:27 mrmoku, Ainulindale, FEED_DEPLOYDIR_BASE_URI is interesting Dec 23 21:42:30 http://bec-systems.com/oe/html/image_class.html Dec 23 21:43:32 what was with fso-gpsd? Dec 23 21:58:28 quickdev: some bugs are waiting on you :p Dec 23 21:59:07 I'm now going to sleep. Tomorrow doing my driver's license examination Dec 23 21:59:09 bye Dec 23 21:59:19 dolf1074, I wish you best lucik :) Dec 23 21:59:22 and thanks :) Dec 23 21:59:43 no problem. A bugfree shr is also better for me :) Dec 23 22:00:30 quickdev: do you know openembedded/conf/documentation.conf ? interesting... Dec 23 22:02:21 ohoh! Dec 23 22:02:38 there is an untared image on the server... Dec 23 22:02:45 http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ Dec 23 22:02:58 Ainulindale ??? Dec 23 22:03:17 quickdev ? Dec 23 22:07:35 quickdev: we might as well just set up FEED_URIS correctly Dec 23 22:08:02 trac doesn't work Dec 23 22:08:11 404 Dec 23 22:10:00 i killed trac! Dec 23 22:11:13 i submited my bug and few seconds later it displayed Not Found Dec 23 22:11:15 :D Dec 23 22:30:52 mickey|dinner: ping Dec 23 22:37:08 quickdev, Ainulindale: who is building on the buildhost? Dec 23 22:37:27 mrmoku, I am building Dec 23 22:37:46 quickdev: OE is not patched correctly... missing the fastboot stuff. on purpose? Dec 23 22:38:46 mrmoku, build is ready. I did some local changes on the buildhost to the shr/ dir to test my opkg fix. You can patch it now correctly if you want.. Dec 23 22:39:44 ok Dec 23 22:40:47 quickdev: should I restart an image? Dec 23 22:41:40 mrmoku, please wait..let me confirm that the opkg feed is fixed :) Dec 23 22:41:46 I could restart it then Dec 23 22:42:10 ok, I just patched OE and am out then :-) Dec 23 22:42:22 mrmoku, ok, thanks Dec 23 22:49:06 dcordes: ok, build is continuing. still about 1800 packages though Dec 23 23:02:46 wow the ppp chatfile is huge Dec 23 23:02:56 Kensan: thanks a lot Dec 23 23:09:36 dcordes, The Freerunner is very chatty, like a gossip. Dec 23 23:12:50 dcordes: hm now ophonekitd is failing Dec 23 23:14:46 Kensan: did you update your complete org.oe.dev to fic the frameworkd-devel packaging error? if so maybe that broke dependencies of shr Dec 23 23:15:20 Sargun: I think the kaiser doesn't like it. pppd dies Dec 23 23:16:03 Sargun: I already altered the data options to match with the parameters I normally use with pppd Dec 23 23:16:48 s/fic/fix/ Dec 23 23:16:56 dcordes: I simply upped the rev. Dec 23 23:17:23 dcordes, Kaiser? Dec 23 23:17:48 quickdev: is ophonekitd compiling against frameworkd-devel head? Dec 23 23:17:49 conf/machine/htckaiser.conf Dec 23 23:18:02 Kensan, no Dec 23 23:18:14 hm... Dec 23 23:18:23 Kensan, what error? Dec 23 23:19:56 quickdev: http://nopaste.ch/9dc796351888ce5.html Dec 23 23:20:25 Kensan, you need latest frameworkd-glib Dec 23 23:20:32 libframeworkd-glib Dec 23 23:21:39 I don't understand the reason for adding extra abstraction on top of the dbus Dec 23 23:23:18 quickdev: ok Dec 23 23:23:56 quickdev: are you familiar with pppd in framework? Dec 23 23:24:33 dcordes: What extra abstraction? Dec 23 23:24:43 dcordes, I am not Dec 23 23:24:51 alphaone: libframeworkd-glib Dec 23 23:25:15 dcordes: It is necessary for languages (like C) where using dbus is a royal PITA Dec 23 23:26:28 alphaone: ahrem Dec 23 23:26:34 I'm bound to disagree Dec 23 23:26:39 It's not a PITA Dec 23 23:26:45 Though libframeworkd-glib is excellent Dec 23 23:26:47 on the other hand it seems to need a lot of maintainance at least as long as frameworkd as moving so fast Dec 23 23:26:52 And its creator is a genius Dec 23 23:27:00 s/as moving/is moving/ Dec 23 23:27:02 dcordes meant: on the other hand it seems to need a lot of maintainance at least as long as frameworkd is moving so fast Dec 23 23:27:02 Or not Dec 23 23:27:11 Ainulindale: Hmm, okay. With glib it is okay Dec 23 23:27:43 dcordes: well, I did libframeworkd-glib, and then quickdev helped me, and we did that because it's sooo easier to use it than to directly use dbus/glin Dec 23 23:27:47 s/lin/lib/ Dec 23 23:27:48 Ainulindale meant: dcordes: well, I did libframeworkd-glib, and then quickdev helped me, and we did that because it's sooo easier to use it than to directly use dbus/glib Dec 23 23:28:04 And I think it's a really good tool for people familiar with C but not with dbus Dec 23 23:28:18 Just have a look at ophonekitd source and you'll understand Dec 23 23:28:45 :-) Dec 23 23:28:49 Layers are good Dec 23 23:28:59 Especially in winter they keep you warm :-) Dec 23 23:30:27 that's a valid point Dec 23 23:31:02 hmm Dec 23 23:31:37 could someone put zhone to shr-unstable repo? Dec 23 23:32:50 dcordes: 300 packages to go Dec 23 23:33:09 Kensan: ok cool. do you install openssh-server ? Dec 23 23:33:23 it's good tool to test gps with fso and test ogsmd when ophonekitd is falling ;) Dec 23 23:33:29 dcordes: yes Dec 23 23:34:26 dcordes: upping it will take me some time though since my upstream bandwidth is a joke. Dec 23 23:34:38 i was mixing repos with fso one, but things always goes much more unstable then :x Dec 23 23:37:30 (or maybe it was after mixing with asu? :x) Dec 23 23:38:06 Mixing repos is bad. Dec 23 23:38:59 i know Dec 23 23:39:28 so i now i'm requesting zhone in shr repo Dec 23 23:39:32 :) Dec 23 23:39:54 Wait two minutes and it'll be there. Dec 23 23:40:00 We actually thought about making the zhone GPS pane into a separate application Dec 23 23:40:26 Ainulindale: thanks :) Dec 23 23:40:31 For when the fso team will be using SHR Dec 23 23:40:48 :) Dec 23 23:41:54 alphaone: Why? You don't like what we give? :-p Dec 23 23:42:02 (as a gps or dialer) Dec 23 23:42:34 Ainulindale: GPS Dec 23 23:43:07 why? Dec 23 23:43:07 There's agpsui Dec 23 23:43:07 Ainulindale: Well, it has some interesting debug information regarding ublox Dec 23 23:43:19 is it actually using ogpsd? Dec 23 23:43:22 agpsui sucks Dec 23 23:43:41 alphaone: well, it uses fso-gpsd Dec 23 23:43:42 so yes Dec 23 23:43:50 * alphaone acknowledges that he still knows next to notihing about the shr-image Dec 23 23:43:54 it uses gpsd? Dec 23 23:43:59 Ainulindale: Well, that's not quite the same :-) Dec 23 23:44:27 There are dbus methods to register to specific ubx packets Dec 23 23:44:31 i always thougth it is communicating to gps directly Dec 23 23:44:48 alphaone: ok then :-) Dec 23 23:45:02 alphaone: though you can use zhone plus SHR you know Dec 23 23:45:07 zhone uses that to display the status of the channels (searching, code lock, downloading, has ephemeris, ...) Dec 23 23:45:10 But I think as of now we do more in SHR than in zhone Dec 23 23:45:23 (on telephony) Dec 23 23:45:29 alphaone: and by the way Dec 23 23:45:39 I'd really like to see some answers to ptitjes on smartphones-standards Dec 23 23:45:45 Ainulindale: I'd like to ditch zhone first chance I get Dec 23 23:45:58 But I need to be able to build my own image Dec 23 23:46:05 from my buildhost Dec 23 23:46:09 We talked a lot this afternoon and some potential caveats about opimd may be interesting to talk about Dec 23 23:46:20 Caveats we already feel with ogsmd Dec 23 23:46:36 what kind? Dec 23 23:46:45 Contacts for instance Dec 23 23:46:48 I have 250 contacts Dec 23 23:46:59 How long would you bet it takes to display the contact list? Dec 23 23:47:23 well? Dec 23 23:47:28 Well, too much :-) Dec 23 23:47:32 5s, something like that Dec 23 23:47:40 4s being purely dbus Dec 23 23:47:53 This is a caveat Dec 23 23:47:56 And a big one at that Dec 23 23:47:59 Nope, don't think so Dec 23 23:48:01 ptitjes talked on the ml about caching Dec 23 23:48:05 Don't think so? Dec 23 23:48:07 Why? :-) Dec 23 23:48:26 250* nchars per contact at 115200BAUD is the problem I believe Dec 23 23:48:46 Or logging all that crap somewhere Dec 23 23:48:51 That may be the case, yes Dec 23 23:49:08 But this should be cache somehow! Dec 23 23:49:10 +d Dec 23 23:49:19 Yes, in opimd! Dec 23 23:49:32 Well Dec 23 23:49:37 That's the point of the discussion :-) Dec 23 23:49:49 we should do stress tests on transfers with dbus Dec 23 23:49:54 I'm just blaming everything on the subsystem that isn't there :-= Dec 23 23:50:05 because I don't know how it will behave on a find of 300 contacts with complex data Dec 23 23:50:10 stress tests? Dec 23 23:50:18 The sheer volume of data may be cumbersome to handle for dbus Dec 23 23:50:30 And if it proves to be low Dec 23 23:50:31 +s Dec 23 23:50:43 it will handle okay, just take longer Dec 23 23:50:45 Then we might as well device a way to cache data and register cache providers/getters Dec 23 23:50:54 Well longer is a problem, don't you think? Dec 23 23:50:57 It would be like the government. 500 layers to handle each document, separately... :P Dec 23 23:51:14 mwester: that wouldn't be like that Dec 23 23:51:35 ptitjes' idea is interesting because it's close of the caching processes used in databases Dec 23 23:51:42 The fact that is right or wrong is of no interest to me Dec 23 23:51:48 +he Dec 23 23:51:54 The discussion itself is interesting to me Dec 23 23:51:56 Well, you're right. DBUs isn't dishonest like your typical politician. ;) Dec 23 23:52:03 Ainulindale: Well, who stores their contacts on sim nowadays? Dec 23 23:52:10 alphaone: Me Dec 23 23:52:18 But it's so limited! Dec 23 23:52:19 Because I have no opimd Dec 23 23:52:22 And because that's your fault Dec 23 23:52:27 Only name and number Dec 23 23:52:29 * mwester notes his kids all keep their contacts on the SIM cards... Dec 23 23:52:35 alphaone: Had I known opimd wouldn't hit the ground for so long Dec 23 23:52:41 I'd have set up eds for long Dec 23 23:52:49 Even if it's crap Dec 23 23:52:54 That's a solution :-) Dec 23 23:52:57 Yeah Dec 23 23:53:06 But that's not the matter at stake here Dec 23 23:53:16 Is point is interesting Dec 23 23:53:19 I'd suggest you read his mail Dec 23 23:53:25 Just my point is: As soon as opimd is working we wont need to store 200+ contacts on SIM Dec 23 23:53:44 alphaone: yeah but I'm not sure the problem won't reproduce itself with dbus limitations Dec 23 23:53:52 That's why I think the discussion is interesting Dec 23 23:53:54 And if you choose to do that it will have some limitations. Dec 23 23:54:06 If that's not the case then stress tests and logs will be of interest :-) Dec 23 23:54:07 Like trading a DVD via 3.5" Diskettes Dec 23 23:54:11 alphaone: Agreed :-) Dec 23 23:54:15 (good example) Dec 23 23:54:19 :-) Dec 23 23:54:20 dcordes: image should be up in 15 mins Dec 23 23:54:27 sim entries.. suck Dec 23 23:54:35 but as I just told before alphaone Dec 23 23:54:36 Sure, the stress test will be interesting Dec 23 23:54:46 But I sincerely hope dbus will cope with that Dec 23 23:54:50 If dbus proves to be the same for big chunks of data Dec 23 23:55:00 Then we'll have to find a work around Dec 23 23:55:01 If not then there's something wrong with dbus imho Dec 23 23:55:05 and in that case ptitjes idea is interesting Dec 23 23:55:08 then again so does putting my contact info into some proprietary closed up data blob i cant get to.. like qt embedded+motorola do on my rokr e6 Dec 23 23:55:13 and I'm sure he's disposed to do that kind of testing Dec 23 23:55:23 raster: True Dec 23 23:55:39 personally i'm a bit dubious of using dbus for contact info Dec 23 23:55:49 right now i'd lean to just having files Dec 23 23:55:54 and standardise the format Dec 23 23:55:59 SQLite, or XML Dec 23 23:56:07 god help us Dec 23 23:56:10 hell no Dec 23 23:56:14 why xml Dec 23 23:56:16 Ainulindale: I can see that requesting the phonebook on my Ericsson modem in my Thinkpad also takes in the order of >2s Dec 23 23:56:18 for gods sake Dec 23 23:56:23 save us from the hell Dec 23 23:56:38 alphaone: you don't use your freerunner as a day to day phone? Dec 23 23:56:39 raster, would you prefer ASN.1, or H.248? Dec 23 23:56:40 at least use a standardised format that has been proven - like vcard Dec 23 23:56:44 alphaone: Do you really want me to kill you? Dec 23 23:57:22 Bah, why Isn't it completing the PDP context Dec 23 23:57:33 Ainulindale: >>> print len( gsmsim.RetrievePhonebook("contacts") ) Dec 23 23:57:33 15 Dec 23 23:57:50 you don't have any friends. Dec 23 23:57:55 And dbus or anything userspace should not be a problem on this processor :-) Dec 23 23:58:27 Ainulindale: I do Dec 23 23:58:37 alphaone: *sigh* :-) Dec 23 23:58:37 Ainulindale: HAve been doing for months now Dec 23 23:58:45 * Ainulindale puts down his chainsaw Dec 23 23:58:51 Waah! Dec 23 23:59:01 No, I meant the other question Dec 23 23:59:03 :-) Dec 23 23:59:05 alphaone: I'm glad you do, it helped us a lot, and keeps helping me :-) Dec 23 23:59:10 * Sargun hands Ainulindale a blow torch. Dec 23 23:59:20 (using the phone on a day to day basis) Dec 23 23:59:43 alphaone: but anyway, repeating myself Dec 23 23:59:46 read his mail Dec 23 23:59:50 yeah, I'm always surprised how many things slip by if you don't Dec 23 23:59:51 I really think it's worth reading Dec 23 23:59:58 Ainulindale: Will do Dec 24 00:00:21 Ainulindale: updated #181, task Dec 24 00:00:29 I tell you that because it wouldn't be the first message without an answer on this ML Dec 24 00:00:32 mw|: saw the message Dec 24 00:00:45 Will check. Dec 24 00:00:46 Thanks :-) Dec 24 00:00:53 Ainulindale: My point about it taking so long on my notebook is that the communication with the modem alone is the bottleneck for most stuff Dec 24 00:00:59 mw|: I think in the end the problem was just me being dum Dec 24 00:01:00 +b Dec 24 00:01:02 The change was so small, so I didn't bother to hook up the external disk and try bitbake (1am here now) Dec 24 00:01:10 mw|: though we had a problem Dec 24 00:01:14 with glibc thing empty Dec 24 00:01:15 Fact: modems suck. Dec 24 00:01:17 he just included no locale Dec 24 00:01:21 Ainulindale, who are you +b'ing? Dec 24 00:01:28 (linguas was empty too) Dec 24 00:01:34 aaah Dec 24 00:01:34 Sargun: Fact #2: We need modem Dec 24 00:01:39 Sargun: my sentence Dec 24 00:01:41 Conclusion: We suck Dec 24 00:02:39 We have a really short banlist.. Dec 24 00:03:08 We should ban Dave then Dec 24 00:03:22 Seconded. Dec 24 00:03:30 All in Agreeance. Dec 24 00:03:32 alphaone: not thinkign of thre sim contacts via the modem Dec 24 00:03:38 All not in favor, say nay. Dec 24 00:03:39 OBJECTION Dec 24 00:03:49 thinking of the more extensive contacts that includes lots of fields, photos etc. Dec 24 00:03:49 aka NAY Dec 24 00:04:04 Final count: 1 nay (screw you), two yays! Dec 24 00:04:06 Yay win. Dec 24 00:04:15 Conclusion: +b Dave! Dec 24 00:04:23 Sargun: looks as if you're talking about a typical Disgaea game Dec 24 00:04:53 raster: Yeah, what about that? DBus should still be able to handle that Dec 24 00:05:05 handle yes Dec 24 00:05:18 bbut then dbus is basically becoming a file/database access mechanism Dec 24 00:05:44 right Dec 24 00:05:45 vcards is not a must for storing information, but it should be possible to convert back and forth vcards if we want to syncronize to a host, or send contacts via sms Dec 24 00:05:53 methinks thats taking it a bit too far Dec 24 00:05:55 raster: We could stream audio through dbus as well Dec 24 00:06:09 you could do anything Dec 24 00:06:13 :-) Dec 24 00:06:17 but the question is.. is it really the RIGHT thing to do Dec 24 00:06:22 personally I would favour dbus interface database with any database-engine we have easily available that are fast Dec 24 00:07:04 xml is availble easy, sqlight is possible... but engine used doesn't really matter, aslong as it is hooked up to dbus Dec 24 00:07:09 raster: I know where you're coming from. It's not easy to draw a clear line there... Dec 24 00:07:21 yeah Dec 24 00:07:44 i.e. you will want to handle SIM contacts transparently Dec 24 00:07:45 i think i personally draw the line at "contacts and sms's are not something you want to put via dbus" Dec 24 00:07:47 raster: thanks for EFL_SRCREV Dec 24 00:07:55 raster: although it seems we lost the keystrokes on the way Dec 24 00:08:11 should be a flag in the contact.. "stored in sim" "stored on flash" Dec 24 00:08:21 so plain file wont work Dec 24 00:08:28 and functions that you can try to call "move to sim" and "move to flash" Dec 24 00:08:41 that can fail, if the contact contains information that can't be stored to sim... Dec 24 00:09:22 possible .. "copy to a stripped version into sim" if the user really wants the contact info to be stored on sim Dec 24 00:09:54 why not sms on dbus ?? Dec 24 00:10:10 the entire gsm-modem with all it's finesses are hooked up there Dec 24 00:10:44 Ainulindale: Mind telling me the ML of ptitjes mail? Dec 24 00:10:52 smartphone-standards Dec 24 00:10:57 k Dec 24 00:11:48 raster: so how do you want to access contacts transparently? Dec 24 00:11:55 i like dbus idea Dec 24 00:12:00 raster: by the way when will you be able to look at the dictionnary problem? Dec 24 00:12:12 whole framework over dbus idea Dec 24 00:12:14 And can we disable it? Dec 24 00:14:35 Ainulindale: Well, unfortunately I can't really say anything to his mail :-( Dec 24 00:14:59 Need to take another look at opimd Dec 24 00:15:19 That'd be a good start :-) Dec 24 00:15:26 But the cache idea is interesting Dec 24 00:15:39 In general Dec 24 00:15:54 Hence stress tests Dec 24 00:16:03 can't say I understood it completely Dec 24 00:16:34 That's ptitjes we're talking about Dec 24 00:16:35 That's normal Dec 24 00:17:16 Ah, I think I get the idea Dec 24 00:17:35 Well, I would assume the dbus maintainers wouldn't like it Dec 24 00:17:41 opimd... gold recipe to everything! ;D Dec 24 00:18:55 alphaone: who cares about them Dec 24 00:19:01 alphaone: and FYI, about ptitjes Dec 24 00:19:07 haven't we ntpdate in shr repos? Dec 24 00:19:10 I even have trouble talking to him in french (!) Dec 24 00:19:19 heh Dec 24 00:19:25 dos1: not in unstable for the next two minutes I think Dec 24 00:19:36 Ainulindale: I would, as well :-) Dec 24 00:19:56 Ainulindale: ok, thx :) Dec 24 00:20:00 Dolby Dec 24 00:20:23 Ainulindale: lost keystrokes? as in the x keys you mean? Dec 24 00:20:27 yeah Dec 24 00:20:37 But that may be to some infortunate things Dec 24 00:20:38 dos1: i'm happy with reading files in a dir :) Dec 24 00:20:40 I'm reflashing currently Dec 24 00:20:55 ah, great... 24h reconnect... Dec 24 00:21:59 coding pussy says "prrrrrrrrrrrrr" Dec 24 00:22:09 :-! Dec 24 00:22:14 God, damn, I hate GSM,. Dec 24 00:22:36 Anyone know BTS rules for T-mobile/Jasper?! Dec 24 00:25:07 dcordes: the image is up Dec 24 00:27:56 anybody using a bt headset and SHR? Dec 24 00:30:43 Okay, time to break the API again Dec 24 00:30:45 :-) Dec 24 00:31:14 Ok keystroke are back. Dec 24 00:31:29 alphaone: which api? ;D Dec 24 00:31:47 - @dbus.service.method( DBUS_INTERFACE_NETWORK, "", "a(isss)", Dec 24 00:31:48 + @dbus.service.method( DBUS_INTERFACE_NETWORK, "", "a(issss)", Dec 24 00:31:48 async_callbacks=( "dbus_ok", "dbus_error" ) ) Dec 24 00:31:48 @resource.checkedmethod Dec 24 00:31:48 def ListProviders( self, dbus_ok, dbus_error ): Dec 24 00:32:14 gsmnetwork.ListProviders() Dec 24 00:32:41 Will return the network access type (GPRS, UMTS, ...) Dec 24 00:35:35 Ainulindale, I got the solution for opkg Dec 24 00:36:11 Ainulindale, how did you get the keystrokes back? Dec 24 00:37:10 just listening to mrmoku Dec 24 00:37:15 apparently some of the patches weren't there Dec 24 00:37:22 I suspect a tiny german who updated OE :-p Dec 24 00:37:31 (don't know if you did it, though :-p) Dec 24 00:37:37 (though we should tell each other if we update) Dec 24 00:37:43 Ainulindale, didn't you repatched it today? Dec 24 00:37:48 (because we could bork things :-) ) Dec 24 00:37:50 Yesterday Dec 24 00:37:54 or the day before that Dec 24 00:37:58 Ainulindale, I fixed opkg with: DISTRO_FEED_PREFIX = "shr" Dec 24 00:37:58 DISTRO_FEED_URI = "http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/" Dec 24 00:38:07 and opkg -c mrproper distro-feed-configs Dec 24 00:38:17 and I removed all the opkg stuff of the shr image Dec 24 00:38:19 will commit it now Dec 24 00:38:24 Good ! :-) Dec 24 00:38:40 And as for myself Dec 24 00:38:45 I'm going to sleep Dec 24 00:39:03 So see you :-) Dec 24 00:39:20 see you Dec 24 00:40:43 Ainulindale, why is there logrotate in shr and not shr-lite? Dec 24 00:40:56 supposed to be like that? Dec 24 00:41:41 will commit tomorrow Dec 24 00:49:14 my gsmhandset.state isnt getting set Dec 24 00:49:21 by frameworkd Dec 24 00:54:19 ok, i'm going to sleep Dec 24 00:54:19 good night Dec 24 02:16:50 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r7a57b235cf9d 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Dec 24 02:16:50 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add support for AcT and remove duplicate plusCREG Dec 24 02:16:50 freesmartphone.org: Modems that support more than just GPRS will have an additional number Dec 24 02:16:50 freesmartphone.org: identifying the network access type in +COPS, +CREG and +CGREG. Dec 24 02:16:53 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rf9638c6abc0c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: Make ucs2hexToUnicode into a codec (gsm_ucs2) Dec 24 02:16:56 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * re8ec83e4b4e9 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Dec 24 02:16:59 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Charsets are now per modem Dec 24 02:17:01 freesmartphone.org: Some modems encode *all* strings in ucs2 if you change the charset. This Dec 24 02:17:03 freesmartphone.org: allows us to specify the different charsets used for different commands. Dec 24 02:17:05 freesmartphone.org: All commands sending or receiving strings as parameters now need to Dec 24 02:17:07 freesmartphone.org: encode and decode these strings with the corresponding charset. Dec 24 02:21:27 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * r01cf08d99071 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Dec 24 02:21:27 freesmartphone.org: otapi: Add act property to GSM.Network.ListProviders and GetStatus Dec 24 02:21:27 freesmartphone.org: This adds a field to show the network access type (GSM, UMTS, ...) Dec 24 02:56:28 hello Dec 24 02:56:37 anybody around? Dec 24 02:59:21 i have two patches against debian packages to make it work better on the neo1973 gta01 phone **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 24 02:59:57 2008