**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 26 02:59:57 2008
Dec 26 08:08:21 <BluesLee> emdete: good morning
Dec 26 09:24:35 <admiral0> Ainulindale: hi. tried unstable.. and it's nice
Dec 26 09:24:41 <admiral0> everything works
Dec 26 09:25:24 <admiral0> but why that screen locker?
Dec 26 09:25:29 <admiral0> it sucks
Dec 26 09:26:03 <admiral0> put zedlocker. it's way better
Dec 26 09:26:30 <BluesLee> admiral0: its the default illume screen locker, very simple one
Dec 26 09:27:24 <BluesLee> admiral0: and its about 20 lines of code ... better than nothing
Dec 26 09:28:28 <admiral0> that's true, but have you tried zedlocker?
Dec 26 09:29:13 <BluesLee> admiral0: not yet
Dec 26 09:29:20 <BluesLee> Z for unlock
Dec 26 09:29:31 <admiral0> yes
Dec 26 09:29:40 <admiral0> very nice
Dec 26 09:29:54 <BluesLee> opkg.org looks nicer than before
Dec 26 09:30:12 <admiral0> it is triggered when you press aux, the img behind is customizable
Dec 26 09:30:40 <admiral0> yes.. last night i installed some programs from there
Dec 26 09:31:17 <admiral0> gridpad is nice
Dec 26 09:31:30 <BluesLee> is there a problem with the default aux action/lock
Dec 26 09:32:00 <admiral0> no
Dec 26 09:32:18 <lindi-> i just switch to an empty virtual desktop
Dec 26 09:32:42 <BluesLee> will try it soon
Dec 26 09:34:40 <admiral0> i just don't understand how to use gridpad
Dec 26 09:53:01 <BluesLee> admiral0: does zedlock work well if a call or sms comes in?
Dec 26 09:53:53 <admiral0> have not tested yet
Dec 26 09:54:45 <BluesLee> i think that zedlock was created for 2007 gtk
Dec 26 09:55:30 <admiral0> no
Dec 26 09:56:26 <BluesLee> it doesnt unlock automatically when a call comes in
Dec 26 09:57:19 <admiral0> yes :(
Dec 26 09:57:49 <admiral0> i'll try to modify it a little
Dec 26 09:58:04 <admiral0> let's see if i am good enough
Dec 26 09:58:13 <admiral0> because i like it a lot
Dec 26 09:58:16 <BluesLee> will remove the package and look how the default locking works
Dec 26 09:58:27 <BluesLee> yeah, its cool 
Dec 26 09:59:06 <admiral0> maybe implement autolocking, and then missed calls and messages?
Dec 26 09:59:18 <admiral0> that would be really cooll
Dec 26 09:59:22 <admiral0> *cool
Dec 26 10:01:38 <admiral0> damn it.. it's gtk
Dec 26 10:02:34 <admiral0> where is the default screenlocker implemented in illume?
Dec 26 10:04:18 <BluesLee> in /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume-shr.edj
Dec 26 10:04:42 <BluesLee> edje_decc to uncompress it and edit illume-shr.edc
Dec 26 10:04:59 <admiral0> ok
Dec 26 10:05:01 <BluesLee> section    /*** MOD: ILLUME SIMPLELOCK ***/
Dec 26 10:05:15 <admiral0> thanks
Dec 26 10:14:17 <admiral0> BluesLee: that's only graphics
Dec 26 10:14:26 <admiral0> logic?
Dec 26 10:15:03 <ptitjes> hello
Dec 26 10:15:10 <BluesLee> ptitjes: hi
Dec 26 10:15:17 <BluesLee> admiral0: you are right
Dec 26 10:15:44 <BluesLee> admiral0: dont know ... the default lock behaves similar when calls come in
Dec 26 10:15:54 <BluesLee> admiral0: but its simpler to unlock it
Dec 26 10:16:42 <admiral0> it visually sucks
Dec 26 10:17:04 <admiral0> let's modify
Dec 26 10:17:52 <BluesLee> where is the aux button mapped?
Dec 26 10:18:28 * admiral0 is pimping the locker
Dec 26 10:24:08 <admiral0> BluesLee are you good with graphics?
Dec 26 10:24:44 <BluesLee> do you need a background?
Dec 26 10:24:56 <admiral0> exactly :D
Dec 26 10:25:01 <BluesLee> thought so
Dec 26 10:25:11 <admiral0> something in current illume style
Dec 26 10:25:21 <BluesLee> ask hire
Dec 26 10:25:28 <BluesLee> he is good at graphics
Dec 26 10:25:52 <BluesLee> i took mine from free resources
Dec 26 10:26:21 <ptitjes> Does someone is workgin on a black/dark theme ?
Dec 26 10:26:45 <BluesLee> hmmm
Dec 26 10:27:17 <admiral0> :D
Dec 26 10:28:30 <BluesLee> ptitjes: something like that http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a8b2b3d1d29eb3b5c88979a479777924.png
Dec 26 10:30:32 <BluesLee> cu
Dec 26 10:31:32 <admiral0> ?
Dec 26 10:31:55 <BluesLee> will be here soon
Dec 26 10:32:07 <ptitjes> BluesLee: heu... exactly but with more serious/all-stylized icons and backgrounds
Dec 26 10:47:24 <mrmoku> hey bumbl... got some new gadgets from the man in red? ;)
Dec 26 10:49:54 <bumbl> hi
Dec 26 10:50:16 <bumbl> which man in the red? here we only had the christkind :p
Dec 26 10:51:12 <mrmoku> uhh, yeah me too in theory :-) though this year me was forgotten :(
Dec 26 10:51:21 <bumbl> but no it brought no new gadgets
Dec 26 10:51:23 <bumbl> :(
Dec 26 10:51:46 <bumbl> it knew I own a freerunner :p
Dec 26 10:52:26 <mrmoku> maybe it understood you were busy enought with it... no time for other gadgets :P
Dec 26 10:52:34 <bumbl> yep
Dec 26 10:53:17 <bumbl> but I might buy a nvidia ion when it comes out in nearer future - and I will buy a netbook
Dec 26 10:53:39 * mrmoku shudders hearing the word nvidia ;)
Dec 26 10:53:47 <bumbl> mrmoku: :p
Dec 26 10:53:57 <bumbl> have you seen their reference design?
Dec 26 10:54:28 <bumbl> ~20W TDP for the whole system and small
Dec 26 10:56:09 <mrmoku> bumbl: no
Dec 26 10:59:04 <bumbl> http://www.trustedreviews.com/images/article/inline/9607-nvidiaion2.jpg
Dec 26 11:00:14 <mrmoku> yeah, looks interesting... just that I ignore nvidia...
Dec 26 11:02:34 <ptitjes> bumbl: what CPU is inside that ?
Dec 26 11:13:23 <morphis> heyho
Dec 26 11:19:14 <bumbl> ptitjes: an atom
Dec 26 11:19:17 <bumbl> :(
Dec 26 11:32:25 <BluesLee> admiral0: re
Dec 26 11:32:49 <admiral0> hi again
Dec 26 11:34:09 <BluesLee> admiral0: you want a background picture
Dec 26 11:34:33 <admiral0> yes.. the one i did sucks
Dec 26 11:34:47 <BluesLee> lets have a look;-)
Dec 26 11:36:24 <tifereth> i try to compile shr like described here http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR
Dec 26 11:36:31 <tifereth> seems to work, expect the qemu task
Dec 26 11:36:39 <tifereth> ERROR: '/home/checkob/handy/projects/shr/shr-testing/openembedded/packages/qemu/qemu-native_svn.bb' failed
Dec 26 11:37:05 <admiral0> http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lockerln0.png
Dec 26 11:37:14 <tifereth> so if the build worked where are the images, and can i run them in qemu?
Dec 26 11:37:51 <morphis> raster: bumbl told me, you would give me e-svn access to bring python-elementary to e-svn
Dec 26 11:39:08 <admiral0> raster sleeps ZzzZ :P
Dec 26 11:39:12 <BluesLee> admiral0: where is it, the grey screen?
Dec 26 11:39:16 <admiral0> yes
Dec 26 11:39:24 <BluesLee> ohh
Dec 26 11:39:33 <admiral0> text rendered in edc
Dec 26 11:39:43 <bumbl> admiral0: usually whe raster sleeps he logs off
Dec 26 11:39:49 <morphis> admiral0: ok, you know when he gets up?
Dec 26 11:40:06 <BluesLee> admiral0: why you dont use a e17 logo or something like that
Dec 26 11:40:27 <BluesLee> admiral0: http://www.e17-stuff.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=64477&file1=64477-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Elive+Platinum-Gold&PHPSESSID=7a9a702653e7c6d7f2f31cb95cdf8827
Dec 26 11:40:33 <admiral0> bumbl morphis dunno.. i just contacted him before.. no answer
Dec 26 11:40:42 <morphis> ok
Dec 26 11:40:52 <admiral0> BluesLee: let's try
Dec 26 11:41:18 <openmoko> night
Dec 26 11:41:22 <admiral0> why not a freerunner?
Dec 26 11:41:28 <BluesLee> we could scale this kind of logo into a lock
Dec 26 11:41:34 <bumbl> morphis: he is in japan or australia -> he usually get's up ~0:00
Dec 26 11:41:47 <bumbl> admiral0: maybe he is coding
Dec 26 11:42:05 <admiral0> maybe
Dec 26 11:42:09 <admiral0> or maybe not
Dec 26 11:42:16 <admiral0> i'd say ZzzZZzZ
Dec 26 11:42:21 <admiral0> :P
Dec 26 11:42:29 <mw|> tifereth: how much main-memory do you have?
Dec 26 11:42:30 <morphis> bumbl: ok
Dec 26 11:42:44 <tifereth> mw|: 2gb
Dec 26 11:43:07 <mw|> tifereth: then qemu didn't fail because of that (it consumes 512MB++ when it compiles)
Dec 26 11:43:21 <mw|> tifereth: find the option to deactive all targets except arm
Dec 26 11:43:36 <bumbl> admiral0: it is 20:42 where raster is
Dec 26 11:43:38 <mw|> tifereth: it often fails when making support for emulating x86
Dec 26 11:44:06 <tifereth> isn't there any log file for the qemu compile?
Dec 26 11:44:14 <tifereth> so i can see a more specific error message
Dec 26 11:44:16 <admiral0> leave raster rest a bit, maybe he's eating or something XD
Dec 26 11:44:41 <bumbl> yep
Dec 26 11:46:53 <mw|> tifereth: there is, if you bother to read the output before/after then line you pasted
Dec 26 11:48:19 <tifereth> mw|, no doesnt seems like this
Dec 26 11:48:27 <tifereth> wait i'm nopasting it
Dec 26 11:49:31 <tifereth> mw|: http://rafb.net/p/T7EKO488.html
Dec 26 11:49:51 <BluesLee> enlightenment takes again more than 15% of cpu
Dec 26 11:50:18 <mw|> 370:   NOTE: Task failed: /home/checkob/handy/projects/shr/shr-testing/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.1+svnr4242-r14/temp/log.do_compile.29335
Dec 26 11:50:29 <raster> relaxing actually
Dec 26 11:50:29 <raster> :)
Dec 26 11:50:51 <mw|> *make breakfast*
Dec 26 11:57:57 <morphis> raster: great, your are here
Dec 26 11:57:58 <raster> BluesLee: shr theme bugs in clock module probably. works fine with default theme.
Dec 26 11:58:06 <raster> in and out
Dec 26 11:58:09 <raster> and now... out again
Dec 26 11:58:15 <morphis> raster: bumbl told, me you would give me e-svn access for python-elementary
Dec 26 11:58:31 <BluesLee> raster: i switched to default one, today i have more than 15% of cpu usage after an opkg upgrade
Dec 26 11:59:16 <BluesLee> raster: i dont know whats going on there
Dec 26 12:00:39 <tifereth> mw|, ops_sse.h:597: error: unable to find a register to spill in class `GENERAL_REGS'
Dec 26 12:03:53 <mw|> as I said, during it makes support for x86 (which you don't need)
Dec 26 12:07:12 <mw|> tifereth: edit openembedded/packages/qemu/qemu_0.9.1.bb and uncomment #EXTRA_OECONF += "--target-list=arm-linux-user,arm-softmmu"
Dec 26 12:07:30 <mw|> then bitbake -c mrproper qemu-native ; bitbake qemu-native
Dec 26 12:07:39 <tifereth> ah.. okay thanks, i'll try
Dec 26 12:09:41 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: no change exchanging my old 5V sim card for a 1.8V on concerning buzz
Dec 26 12:09:56 <tifereth> mw|, ERROR: Please set the 'CACHE' variable.
Dec 26 12:11:47 <mw|> http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR, see the last posting
Dec 26 12:12:05 <tifereth> ah.. okay sorry didnt see
Dec 26 12:14:58 <admiral0> BluesLee are you here?
Dec 26 12:15:21 <BluesLee> yes
Dec 26 12:16:44 <admiral0> what do i do wrong? http://pastebin.com/d72c21204
Dec 26 12:19:03 <mw|> tifereth: did it work better?
Dec 26 12:19:23 <tifereth> un moment, gotting some dependency problems
Dec 26 12:20:10 <BluesLee> admiral0: will try it
Dec 26 12:20:32 <ptitjes> Did someone saw shr#234 ?
Dec 26 12:21:08 <ptitjes> Would that help to resolve what I think is the biggest frameworkd bug ?
Dec 26 12:22:05 <BluesLee> image.normal?
Dec 26 12:22:08 <TAsn> ptitjes, what's the biggest frameworkd bug?
Dec 26 12:22:12 <mw|> sounds like somebody forgetting   malloc(strlen(tmp) +1 )   the +1 part, or something like that
Dec 26 12:22:34 <ptitjes> the forever ringtone+vibration thing...
Dec 26 12:22:41 <ptitjes> IMHO
Dec 26 12:22:50 <TAsn> ptitjes, oh yeah, this one sucks ;[
Dec 26 12:24:02 <ptitjes> hiciu says in #234 that it is related to the length of the incomming call's phone number
Dec 26 12:24:15 <ptitjes> indeed this is interesting...
Dec 26 12:24:22 <admiral0> solved
Dec 26 12:24:28 <dolf1074> ptitjes: to answer on you question of yesterday, Yes it's for shr :)
Dec 26 12:24:29 <BluesLee> description { state: "default" 0.0;
Dec 26 12:24:29 <BluesLee>             image.normal: "locker.png";
Dec 26 12:24:29 <BluesLee>             }
Dec 26 12:24:47 <ptitjes> dolf1074: yeah thanks
Dec 26 12:25:27 <tifereth> mw|: many thanks works now
Dec 26 12:25:37 <TAsn> BluesLee, do you have a working transparent like theme to send me? ;] (please)
Dec 26 12:25:42 <ptitjes> dolf1074: hope you will quickly attain those mockups look and feel :)
Dec 26 12:25:57 <BluesLee> TAsn: what do you mean with transparent?
Dec 26 12:25:59 <tifereth> mw|: is there a guide for running shr in qemu now?
Dec 26 12:26:07 <dolf1074> Me to, the only problem is that there isn't that much information about e
Dec 26 12:26:17 <TAsn> BluesLee, the thing you did with splitting the image and adding to the illume bar.
Dec 26 12:26:21 <TAsn> sec I'll send a link
Dec 26 12:26:26 <BluesLee> TAsn: iokay
Dec 26 12:26:34 <BluesLee> TAsn: i know what you mean
Dec 26 12:26:37 <TAsn> ok, so I won't send a link ;]
Dec 26 12:26:43 <ptitjes> dolf1074: yeah! hopefully raster is on the channel and you can ping him when you need ;)
Dec 26 12:26:46 <TAsn> (first one on scap)
Dec 26 12:26:48 <BluesLee> TAsn: there is nor transparency there
Dec 26 12:26:56 <TAsn> I know
Dec 26 12:27:04 <TAsn> you just cut the pictures
Dec 26 12:27:10 <TAsn> we already talked about it yesterday ;]
Dec 26 12:27:23 <dolf1074> ptitjes: yes :)
Dec 26 12:27:28 <raster> BluesLee: as i said before - i report nowhere near the cpu you see.
Dec 26 12:27:38 <BluesLee> TAsn: correct ... i have to get rid of the proprietary stuff in there
Dec 26 12:27:43 <raster> morphis: email info.txt and id_rsa.pub
Dec 26 12:27:54 <raster> see the devs/ dir in e svn for examples
Dec 26 12:27:56 <raster> :)
Dec 26 12:28:10 <TAsn> BluesLee, just up it for me and for what I care remove it afterward, I don't mine using proprietary stuff.
Dec 26 12:28:12 <BluesLee> raster: i know, yesterday everything was fine will the default illume theme and also with the shr if i cut off the digital clock
Dec 26 12:29:18 <admiral0> it doesn't do what i expected T_T
Dec 26 12:29:22 <BluesLee> TAsn: i am not allowed to distribute proprietary stuff and i will not but ...
Dec 26 12:29:23 <ptitjes> BTW guys while enhancing the shr theme, could one of you adjust the margins around the gadgets so that it display correctly aligned
Dec 26 12:29:45 <mw|> tifereth: not that I know of, but probably is (atleast for running openmoko or oe in general)
Dec 26 12:29:53 <TAsn> BluesLee, really? even for personal use? (i.e just for me) well do your thing then ;]
Dec 26 12:29:56 <BluesLee> TAsn: you can help choosing from the gpl ones, are you ready for this task?
Dec 26 12:30:12 <TAsn> BluesLee, if it's less than 10mins work sure
Dec 26 12:30:18 <TAsn> (i'm a bit busy now)
Dec 26 12:30:24 <ptitjes> I'm a fussy mad guy :)
Dec 26 12:30:42 <BluesLee> TAsn: lets try it, http://www.kde-look.org/
Dec 26 12:30:56 <TAsn> BluesLee, what should I choose?
Dec 26 12:31:04 <BluesLee> TAsn: look for wallpapers, gpl stuff
Dec 26 12:31:12 <TAsn> I c.
Dec 26 12:31:17 <BluesLee> does someone now about "creative commons"?
Dec 26 12:31:19 <admiral0> damn it i HAVE to learn edje
Dec 26 12:31:26 <BluesLee> TAsn: look for dark skys
Dec 26 12:33:01 <TAsn> BluesLee, I would really prefer a comics like dark wall paper ;]
Dec 26 12:34:00 <BluesLee> TAsn: okay, i will choose something totally irrelevant and you can replace it afterwards by your needs?
Dec 26 12:34:15 <TAsn> BluesLee, as long as it pretty ;]
Dec 26 12:35:02 <BluesLee> TAsn: i will try it...
Dec 26 12:35:32 <TAsn> http://xlibs.xl.funpic.de/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/cooltux.jpg
Dec 26 12:35:47 <TAsn> now that's what I'm talking about! (sorta)
Dec 26 12:36:02 <TAsn> http://bionixwallpaper.com/wallpapers/SF/big/Bionix Wallpaper - Robot Sit.jpg
Dec 26 12:36:28 <TAsn> both are cool and claim to be gpl (from what I have seen)
Dec 26 12:36:51 <BluesLee> one moment
Dec 26 12:36:52 <TAsn> Background licensed under GPL from BIONIX WALLPAPER (second)
Dec 26 12:38:17 <BluesLee> i get a page not found
Dec 26 12:38:21 <BluesLee> on the 2nd one
Dec 26 12:38:35 <TAsn> yeah
Dec 26 12:38:37 <TAsn> there are spaces
Dec 26 12:38:38 <TAsn> ;\
Dec 26 12:38:43 <TAsn> sec
Dec 26 12:38:57 <BluesLee> raster: is it possible to copy and use icons from ~/.e ?
Dec 26 12:39:13 <raster> from?
Dec 26 12:39:20 <TAsn> http://bionixwallpaper.com/wallpapers/SF/big/Bionix%20Wallpaper%20-%20Robot%20Sit.jpg
Dec 26 12:39:22 <TAsn> trythis
Dec 26 12:39:40 <raster> what icons do you have there?
Dec 26 12:39:45 <BluesLee> raster: i replaced the default ones resp. the shr ones one by one by hand
Dec 26 12:40:08 <BluesLee> raster: i dont have icons there ... but i want to move my icons to that folder
Dec 26 12:40:34 <raster> ~/.icons if u want to be XDG-compliant
Dec 26 12:40:43 <BluesLee> raster: as tasn asked for the theme i would provide the edje file which he could copy to ~/.e/e/themes
Dec 26 12:41:02 <raster> ~/.e/e/cions if u wan tto be e-specific
Dec 26 12:41:07 <raster> e will handle both
Dec 26 12:41:18 <BluesLee> raster: cool, have to try that
Dec 26 12:41:32 <BluesLee> raster: will e prefer the local ones?
Dec 26 12:41:40 <raster> yes
Dec 26 12:42:13 <BluesLee> raster: if i install a new package the desktop icon is normaly located in /usr/share/pixmaps
Dec 26 12:42:36 <BluesLee> raster: if i put an icon with the same name to .icons it will take that one?
Dec 26 12:42:39 <tifereth> mw|, yeha but they describe a way with a custom qemu etc.
Dec 26 12:42:56 <tifereth> i'll try to flash it manually, should work if the image is build for taht
Dec 26 12:42:57 <tifereth> that
Dec 26 12:43:18 <raster> yes
Dec 26 12:43:29 <BluesLee> raster: sounds very good
Dec 26 12:43:42 <BluesLee> TAsn: give me some hours, okay?
Dec 26 12:44:06 <TAsn> BluesLee, hehe sure thing, do you like the pictures I gave you?
Dec 26 12:44:33 <BluesLee> TAsn: or post your email adress somewhere
Dec 26 12:44:52 <BluesLee> TAsn: the first one looks good 
Dec 26 12:45:02 <TAsn> what about the second?
Dec 26 12:45:07 <TAsn> (the sitting robot)
Dec 26 12:49:47 <BluesLee> depressive;-)
Dec 26 12:50:31 <BluesLee> okay, you should receive an email
Dec 26 12:50:35 <TAsn> i got it
Dec 26 12:50:37 <TAsn> sec, looking.
Dec 26 12:50:58 <BluesLee> now i try rasters advices
Dec 26 12:51:18 <TAsn> sec, i'll test that soon enough (doing homework atm)
Dec 26 12:52:58 <TAsn> BluesLee, you can just rename the edje file and this way its easy to toggle between them from the e config.
Dec 26 12:53:05 <TAsn> that's what i'll do.
Dec 26 12:53:07 <BluesLee> TAsn: but hey, the second one is really cool
Dec 26 12:53:24 <TAsn> the sad robot? yeah ;]
Dec 26 12:53:52 <BluesLee> TAsn: we could make the reflection as a default wallpaper
Dec 26 12:54:14 <BluesLee> TAsn: and if you open the topshelf you see the robot sitting there;-)
Dec 26 12:54:25 <TAsn> haha that's nice!
Dec 26 12:54:35 <TAsn> (btw, be sure to add the package to the themes repo!)
Dec 26 12:55:13 <BluesLee> TAsn: dont know how to do that
Dec 26 12:55:32 <TAsn> i'll do it when i'll have a spare moment (i'll ask you first)
Dec 26 12:55:45 <BluesLee> TAsn: first i will switch to gpl stuff and write down the corresponding sources
Dec 26 12:56:08 <BluesLee> TAsn: okay, you can do it, that would be nice
Dec 26 12:56:17 <TAsn> btw, let me know when you finish the robot theme ;]
Dec 26 12:57:16 <BluesLee> TAsn: there is no link that it is gpl or something like that
Dec 26 12:57:32 <TAsn> the robot?
Dec 26 12:57:33 <BluesLee> TAsn: it says only free thats not enough ...
Dec 26 12:57:40 <TAsn> yes there is
Dec 26 12:57:44 <TAsn> sec I'll link ya.
Dec 26 12:58:52 <TAsn> http://www.linux-robots.com/index.php?page=downloads
Dec 26 12:58:55 <TAsn> look at the bottom.
Dec 26 12:59:01 <dolf1074> raster: can you please reexplain how you get a transparent background on a etk_tree? I have set color values (0,0,0,0) on in the list and row part in edje. After that I tried to set color of the widget by doing etk_widget_color_set. That made everything transparent, so I needed to set etk_widget_propagate_color_set to false. But now again nothing get alpha.
Dec 26 13:01:12 <BluesLee> TAsn: you can be sure its only free for download
Dec 26 13:01:23 <TAsn> look at the bottom!!
Dec 26 13:01:50 <TAsn> there's Background licensed under GPL from BIONIX WALLPAPER
Dec 26 13:02:32 <BluesLee> TAsn: link please
Dec 26 13:02:40 <TAsn> <TAsn> http://www.linux-robots.com/index.php?page=downloads
Dec 26 13:04:05 <BluesLee> i only see BioniX Wallpaper Changer is FREEWARE!
Dec 26 13:04:51 <BluesLee> one mo
Dec 26 13:05:12 <TAsn> your theme doesn't work ;[
Dec 26 13:05:18 <TAsn> I get a broken illume
Dec 26 13:06:06 <BluesLee> whats the problem there?
Dec 26 13:07:16 <TAsn> scap.
Dec 26 13:08:15 <BluesLee> why do you have a slider on the right side?
Dec 26 13:08:21 <TAsn> yeah.
Dec 26 13:08:27 <TAsn> (with your theme...)
Dec 26 13:08:48 <BluesLee> one problem is that i use shr lite
Dec 26 13:09:10 <BluesLee> i have not installed pidgin etc and therefore not choosen icons for that
Dec 26 13:09:24 <TAsn> I don't care about that.
Dec 26 13:09:28 <TAsn> I'm missing the top panel
Dec 26 13:09:31 <TAsn> got no bg
Dec 26 13:09:32 <TAsn> etc etc
Dec 26 13:09:38 <TAsn> I got an annoying slider on the side...
Dec 26 13:09:39 <BluesLee> no top panel?
Dec 26 13:09:47 <TAsn> didn't you look in the scap image?
Dec 26 13:10:00 <BluesLee> i see it
Dec 26 13:10:04 <BluesLee> hmm
Dec 26 13:10:10 <BluesLee> can you remove .e
Dec 26 13:10:17 <BluesLee> and restart x?
Dec 26 13:10:35 <BluesLee> do you use shr testing or unstable feed?
Dec 26 13:10:42 <TAsn> testing
Dec 26 13:11:43 <BluesLee> TAsn: do a "rm -rf .e/" and /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
Dec 26 13:11:50 <TAsn> same issue.
Dec 26 13:12:17 <BluesLee> i want that slider there
Dec 26 13:12:57 <dolf1074> raster: already found the anwser on my problem? 
Dec 26 13:12:57 <TAsn> well I gtg
Dec 26 13:13:05 <BluesLee> TAsn: i dont know whats going on there ...
Dec 26 13:13:19 <TAsn> I'll debug that later.
Dec 26 13:13:28 <TAsn> thanks though.
Dec 26 13:13:37 <BluesLee> okay
Dec 26 13:17:40 <Mortak> hi all
Dec 26 13:20:56 <tifereth> -_- next error while building shr
Dec 26 13:20:56 <tifereth> http://rafb.net/p/xYSCLH19.html
Dec 26 13:24:54 <tifereth> mw|: any idea?
Dec 26 13:29:53 <ptitjes> tifereth: could you provide do_package.log for glibc ?
Dec 26 13:30:20 <tifereth> hm.. have disabled locale generation now, and rebuilding
Dec 26 13:30:28 <tifereth> dont think its there anymore
Dec 26 13:30:43 <tifereth> if it's fails another time i'll
Dec 26 13:31:50 <mw|> it failes on locals
Dec 26 13:31:58 <mw|> what does you local.conf look like tifereth ?
Dec 26 13:33:04 <tifereth> GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "en_US.UTF-8"
Dec 26 13:35:06 <mw|> drop .UTF-8
Dec 26 13:35:15 <mw|> hmm
Dec 26 13:35:52 <mw|> and see if that helps
Dec 26 13:36:23 <mw|> or, it should have worked
Dec 26 13:36:30 <mw|> when I built a month ago I used GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "en_US.UTF-8 nb_NO.UTF-8"
Dec 26 13:37:22 <mw|> i would recommand not touching locales stuff intil Ainulindale closes shr#181
Dec 26 13:37:34 <mw|> and just leave all enabled
Dec 26 13:38:07 <tifereth> i
Dec 26 13:38:16 <tifereth> 'll try if the build without locales fails too
Dec 26 13:41:00 <mw|> did you -c mrproper  glibc  ?
Dec 26 13:41:08 <mw|> else new settings will not apply
Dec 26 13:41:25 <tifereth> mh.. no, ... okay canceling the build
Dec 26 14:02:47 <MMlosh> Hi! There is no component "Qi" on the Trac.. Is that a defect?
Dec 26 14:24:09 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: ping
Dec 26 14:24:44 <Ainulindale> pong
Dec 26 14:25:05 <ptitjes> Do you think I could put my current work on the shr-apps git ?
Dec 26 14:25:17 <Ainulindale> Which work?
Dec 26 14:25:24 <ptitjes> ologicd
Dec 26 14:25:34 <Ainulindale> Did you talk with mickey|zzZZzz yet?
Dec 26 14:25:48 <Ainulindale> (And no, that's not truly a shr app)
Dec 26 14:25:57 <Ainulindale> (A new git repository is necessary)
Dec 26 14:26:04 <ptitjes> Not since the other day when we spoke about it together with him
Dec 26 14:26:29 <Ainulindale> But you started working on it nonetheless?
Dec 26 14:26:42 <Ainulindale> You're too bored, get a job =)
Dec 26 14:26:43 <ptitjes> But from what he said, it seems to me that all the PIM stuff is still very obscure
Dec 26 14:27:14 <Ainulindale> That doesn't mean one is meant to implement it without talking about it with other people first
Dec 26 14:27:38 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: Even if you do not use ologicd for PIM stuff, it is intersting anyway to have an inference engine to process things
Dec 26 14:27:53 <Ainulindale> Well, I still lack a use case for that :-)
Dec 26 14:27:55 <ptitjes> Consider it as prototyping code
Dec 26 14:28:49 <Ainulindale> Well anyway, I have to eat or I'll die soon
Dec 26 14:29:00 <Ainulindale> See you in half an hour or so
Dec 26 14:29:06 <ptitjes> I had some people telling me they would be glad to play with it in its current state
Dec 26 14:29:08 <Ainulindale> We'll talk about the repo byu then
Dec 26 14:29:10 <Ainulindale> -u
Dec 26 14:29:14 <ptitjes> So this is why I wondered if you could host me
Dec 26 14:29:22 <Ainulindale> Already told you yes
Dec 26 14:29:26 <Ainulindale> But now I'm off! =)
Dec 26 14:29:27 <Ainulindale> Let me eat :-p
Dec 26 14:29:34 <ptitjes> bon apéti
Dec 26 14:30:00 <ptitjes> Oh! I'll do the same then... miam
Dec 26 14:30:39 <Zorkman> hehe
Dec 26 14:30:52 <Zorkman> bon a-ptitjes
Dec 26 14:54:51 <ptitjes> Zorkman: merci
Dec 26 15:09:22 <Dave> dosboxJOERG
Dec 26 15:55:33 <elserpiente> hi
Dec 26 16:36:43 <\marco> hi to all
Dec 26 16:37:01 <BluesLee> hi
Dec 26 16:37:11 <\marco> I'm writing an ewl app..there's a way to have it on the FR?
Dec 26 16:40:13 <BluesLee> what kind of widget?
Dec 26 16:40:56 <\marco> a simple app to change alsa scenarios
Dec 26 16:41:06 <\marco> :)
Dec 26 16:41:11 <\marco> just to start
Dec 26 16:41:35 <\marco> but.. in the toolchain there's no Ewl.h 
Dec 26 16:41:59 <BluesLee> you should ask raster himself
Dec 26 16:42:04 <\marco> mhm ok
Dec 26 16:42:17 <\marco> thanks :)
Dec 26 16:42:20 <BluesLee> some months ago he spoke of widgets support
Dec 26 16:43:26 <dos1> i can't find any python-elementary tutorial
Dec 26 16:43:52 <dos1> i found only source of elementary_test
Dec 26 16:44:02 <BluesLee> \marco: have a look at his homepage and the corresponding freerunner videos, i think i saw something like widgets there
Dec 26 16:44:03 <dos1> it will be helpful, but it's written in C...
Dec 26 16:44:18 <\marco> BluesLee, good! :)
Dec 26 16:44:39 * \marco emailing rasterman
Dec 26 16:47:38 <BluesLee> \marco: the clock here looks like a widget or not? http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-01.png
Dec 26 16:49:13 <\marco> BluesLee, it looks like a widget! :D
Dec 26 16:51:43 <BluesLee> \marco: i think that there is such an app for 2008.8 images or whatever it is called
Dec 26 16:51:58 <\marco> doh
Dec 26 16:52:02 <\marco> mhm
Dec 26 16:52:48 <BluesLee> \marco: not sure about that ... see the ml's .. many people asked for such an app
Dec 26 16:53:09 <\marco> mhm ok thanks! :)
Dec 26 16:53:32 <BluesLee> \marco: too many possibilities with the mixer but only 6-8 seem to be important
Dec 26 16:54:05 <\marco> yeah
Dec 26 16:54:32 <BluesLee> the default illume mixer doesnt work for me ...
Dec 26 17:01:00 <BluesLee> http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1676346
Dec 26 17:03:28 <\marco> oh!
Dec 26 17:03:50 <\marco> thanks :)
Dec 26 17:04:29 <\marco> the only problem, imho, is python.. it's good.. but too slow for FR
Dec 26 17:04:31 <\marco> imho!
Dec 26 17:04:33 <\marco> :D
Dec 26 17:06:28 <dos1> \marco: python isn't too slow for FR
Dec 26 17:07:00 <BluesLee> missing dependencies for that alsaaudio
Dec 26 17:07:10 <\marco> dos1, it is slow in general? :P
Dec 26 17:07:31 <dos1> \marco: running python apps is slow
Dec 26 17:07:53 <dos1> \marco: but once runned, it works quickly
Dec 26 17:08:39 <\marco> dos1, mhm.. yes.. you are right :)
Dec 26 17:09:18 <dos1> \marco: that's why i was asking about python-launcher, which optimisation team had to do
Dec 26 17:09:35 <dos1> but optimisation team is gone, and there is no python-launcher :(
Dec 26 17:10:32 <\marco> dos1, d'oh :/
Dec 26 17:12:27 <\marco> dos1, you made me think... this change all.. let's start learning python! :)
Dec 26 17:18:28 <hiciu> dos1: http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr.git;a=blob;f=shr-settings/src/app-launcherd.py and http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr.git;a=blob;f=shr-settings/src/app-launcher.py looks like python-launcher.. but I don't think it might work
Dec 26 17:36:06 <dos1> yaaay
Dec 26 17:36:06 <dos1> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=%22elementary.Window%22+%22import+elementary%22&btnG=Search
Dec 26 17:36:08 <dos1> ;]
Dec 26 17:42:33 <admiral0> who has put telefoninux on community updates?
Dec 26 17:48:01 <BluesLee> admiral0: what about zedlock?
Dec 26 17:48:24 <admiral0> i started to read the edje book
Dec 26 17:48:33 <admiral0> i'll implement it in illume
Dec 26 17:48:52 <BluesLee> okay
Dec 26 17:49:04 <admiral0> i realised i'm a noob in edje
Dec 26 17:49:07 <admiral0> XD
Dec 26 17:50:36 <BluesLee> did someone tried tichy?
Dec 26 17:50:46 <BluesLee> respective paroli
Dec 26 18:00:57 <tmzt> admiral0: what book?
Dec 26 18:06:46 <admiral0> tmzt docs.enlightenment.org
Dec 26 18:07:08 <\marco> I've problem with zedlock
Dec 26 18:07:26 <\marco> using landscape mode
Dec 26 18:08:30 <\marco> zedlock try to display in 480x640 and it's impossible to unlock
Dec 26 19:23:55 <Ainulindale> mwester: thanks for the mail on shr-devel :-)
Dec 26 19:25:01 <bumbl> hehe
Dec 26 19:25:11 <bumbl> Ainulindale + mwester vs. andy-tracking
Dec 26 19:28:08 <Ainulindale> Well that's not that
Dec 26 19:28:28 <Ainulindale> That's mainly a fight against insensible ways to maintain a kernel
Dec 26 19:34:46 <TAsn> Ainulindale, how many SHR users do you assume there are?
Dec 26 19:34:54 <mwester> :) thanks.
Dec 26 19:35:11 <TAsn> I'm just wondering, a friend of mine stated a very big number which I highly doubt.
Dec 26 19:35:33 <mwester> bumbl:  no, not mwester vs andy-tracking -- it's just my lack of time to create and manage mwester-andy-tracking, which we will need until the Om stuff stabilizes. :(
Dec 26 19:35:44 <Zorkman> what was the number TAsn ?
Dec 26 19:35:50 <TAsn> 10k
Dec 26 19:36:00 <Zorkman> ?????
Dec 26 19:36:06 <TAsn> that's what I said.
Dec 26 19:36:10 <Zorkman> that seems a bit on the high side to me....
Dec 26 19:36:20 <TAsn> I don't think there are 10k mokos ;]
Dec 26 19:37:44 <Zorkman> maybe sean will answer the question on the community update thingy
Dec 26 19:37:56 <mwester> not likely
Dec 26 19:38:12 <mwester> that would be generally considered highly confidential info
Dec 26 19:38:24 <mwester> but, they could provide a range, one would think.
Dec 26 19:38:40 <Zorkman> yeah, I wouldn't bet on it either
Dec 26 19:38:42 <bumbl> well i think we have ~1000 to 10000 freerunners out there
Dec 26 19:38:58 <bumbl> but guys like Dave have like a dozen
Dec 26 19:39:07 <TAsn> lol.
Dec 26 19:39:20 <Zorkman> yeah but i think Dave is a member of a minority :)
Dec 26 19:39:25 <TAsn> Dave, moko_count?
Dec 26 19:40:10 <mwester> i.e. "Mr. Openmoko - If I were to invest some huge amount of money to design a new case back for the FR with some fabulous new features, how many potential customers might I have?"  Very reasonable question for someone trying to see if a business ventuer would be worthwhile...
Dec 26 19:40:46 <TAsn> yeah ;\
Dec 26 19:40:53 <mwester> I guess 1000 - 10,000 is a bit large of a range for me to work with in that calculation. :(
Dec 26 19:41:03 <mwester> But perhaps to the nearest 1000 would be ok?
Dec 26 19:41:18 <Zorkman> mwester: one could also target new costemers....
Dec 26 19:41:20 <Dave> What what?
Dec 26 19:41:24 <Zorkman> in the butt!
Dec 26 19:41:52 <mwester> Zorkman:  Yep - in which case one would be asking for the design specs for the gta03, and we've seen where *that* question goes on the mailing lists! ;)
Dec 26 19:42:02 <Dave> customers
Dec 26 19:42:15 <Dave> mwester, haha, yeah
Dec 26 19:48:06 <TAsn> Dave, how many mokos do you have?
Dec 26 20:02:38 <elserpiente> guys, how i can change default locale under enlightenment?
Dec 26 20:15:14 <elserpiente> i want that all apps launch at LANG=ru_UA.UTF-8
Dec 26 20:15:37 <hiciu> elserpiente: on shr there is first-run-wizard, you can choose locale there
Dec 26 20:16:37 <elserpiente> there is only US flag :(
Dec 26 20:17:01 <hiciu> elserpiente: you are using shr-lite image?
Dec 26 20:17:11 <elserpiente> nope, full image
Dec 26 20:17:50 <Ainulindale> That's because you have to install the locale
Dec 26 20:18:23 <Ainulindale> elserpiente: opkg install libc-binary-localedata-ru-ua
Dec 26 20:18:24 <elserpiente> locale is avaible in "locale -a"
Dec 26 20:18:32 <elserpiente> one sec
Dec 26 20:18:34 <Ainulindale> s/libc/glibc/
Dec 26 20:18:34 <bzzbot> Ainulindale meant: elserpiente: opkg install glibc-binary-localedata-ru-ua
Dec 26 20:18:47 <Ainulindale> Then remove ~/.e and restart X
Dec 26 20:19:28 <elserpiente> says that it alredy installed
Dec 26 20:19:52 <Ainulindale> If you don't have the flag at illume boot, then something went wrong
Dec 26 20:20:04 <elserpiente> damn
Dec 26 20:21:05 <elserpiente> maybe i missed some locale package?
Dec 26 20:28:38 <openmoko> mwester: I'd think a few hundred. 
Dec 26 20:28:54 <openmoko> My number of Mokos is bigger than your number of mokos
Dec 26 20:30:26 <TAsn> Ainulindale, did you see my mail concerning the while(true) ? ;]
Dec 26 20:30:58 * mwester isn't sure that a larger outbreak of Mokos  is a good thing, though.
Dec 26 20:30:58 <TAsn> Ainulindale, you are the only one to blame for me bugging you about this, you specifically told me you'd break if i'll bug you enough! ;]
Dec 26 20:31:05 <TAsn> mwester, why not?
Dec 26 20:31:45 <mwester> each one harbors a population of bugs, which are spreading, rather like the asian ash borer is killing my trees.
Dec 26 20:33:09 <BluesLee> :-)
Dec 26 20:33:29 <BluesLee> do we have a java vm in the feeds?
Dec 26 20:33:42 <elserpiente> hm, changed locale via wrench menu
Dec 26 20:33:54 <mwester> That'll kill the bugs.  A java vm kills almost anything.
Dec 26 20:34:07 <mwester> :P
Dec 26 20:34:17 <ingi> he he
Dec 26 20:35:34 <mwester> BluesLee:  you might check the angstrom feeds; I think someone created and tested one, but I'm not sure it's in the FSO or SHR feeds.
Dec 26 20:35:56 <ingi> mwester: I've just managed to boot (Qi) into a 2.6.28-rc4 on my uSD card..., everything is brewed at home, dont know how I did it though, pretty magical... :-/
Dec 26 20:36:41 <BluesLee> mwester: dont remember of the openmoko bugs ... i guess there will be no solution for the buzz in 2009!
Dec 26 20:37:51 <mwester> BluesLee:  There's already a solution.  The problem is how to get the hardware fix implemented.
Dec 26 20:38:01 <DocScrutinizer2> yup
Dec 26 20:38:11 <BluesLee> mwester: thats what i wanted to say
Dec 26 20:38:57 <BluesLee> my new 1.8V sim card doesnt solve anything here
Dec 26 20:39:10 <BluesLee> it was just a hope ...
Dec 26 20:40:35 <BluesLee> maybe we can force something on the mailing lists
Dec 26 20:40:57 <BluesLee> those who suffer from the buzz
Dec 26 20:41:40 <BluesLee> i am speaking of a revolution;-)
Dec 26 20:41:47 <BluesLee> hehe
Dec 26 20:42:56 <DocScrutinizer2> BluesLee: no better idea to find friends? to help getting things done? :-/
Dec 26 20:43:38 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer2: how?
Dec 26 20:44:49 <DocScrutinizer2> stop being an annoyance might be a start
Dec 26 20:45:22 <DocScrutinizer2> a bad idea isn't always better than no idea at all
Dec 26 20:46:09 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer2: i have ideas concerning this issue
Dec 26 20:46:30 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer2: but it will cost om money and thats the problem i think!
Dec 26 20:46:47 <DocScrutinizer2> ah, like "forcing", "revolution", etc?
Dec 26 20:47:03 <BluesLee> revolution was just a joke DocScrutinizer2
Dec 26 20:48:09 * mwester comes back from the barn, reads the logs here, curses, and tosses his pitchfork and torch into the corner for another day.
Dec 26 20:48:11 <BluesLee> but sometimes annoyance helps, for instance the lost community discussion on the mls
Dec 26 20:48:28 <DocScrutinizer2> go ahead set up a decent repair/rework service and contact steve about your  calculations. Instead of spreading FUD
Dec 26 20:48:48 <BluesLee> thats not my job DocScrutinizer2
Dec 26 20:49:40 <DocScrutinizer2> so nagging is?
Dec 26 20:50:34 <lindi-> does joerg irc btw
Dec 26 20:50:48 <DocScrutinizer2> huh?
Dec 26 20:51:12 <BluesLee> you can be sure that others will also start nagging, its a question of time
Dec 26 20:51:20 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: you forgot to take your pills again? :-p
Dec 26 20:51:40 <Ainulindale> BluesLee: Just so you know, there's a fix for the buzz, it's not simple that's why it takes time
Dec 26 20:51:41 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer2: @openmoko.com i mean
Dec 26 20:51:50 <DocScrutinizer2> forgot to activate some /ignores
Dec 26 20:51:58 <Ainulindale> lindi-: DocScrutinizer2 is joerg
Dec 26 20:52:11 <lindi-> ah!
Dec 26 20:52:22 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: :-)
Dec 26 20:52:38 <DocScrutinizer2> bye, annoys me
Dec 26 20:52:42 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer2: sent you email about the buzz fix yesterday
Dec 26 20:52:58 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer2: Don't be annoyed by such things, you'll look like me :-)
Dec 26 20:53:09 <BluesLee> sorry DocScrutinizer2, i didnt wanted to be offensive
Dec 26 20:53:25 <BluesLee> lets calm down
Dec 26 20:54:14 <Dave> :D
Dec 26 20:54:45 <Dave> he has mokorage
Dec 26 20:55:32 <bumbl> TAsn: hmm are the Hamas really constantly bombing Israelian cities?
Dec 26 20:55:43 <TAsn> bumbl, yeah
Dec 26 20:55:53 <BluesLee> bumbl: right time to post that
Dec 26 20:56:14 <TAsn> iirc more than 70 bombs hit yesterday.
Dec 26 20:56:54 <TAsn> bumbl, why is it that you are asking?
Dec 26 20:57:07 <Dave> :O
Dec 26 20:57:35 <bumbl> well then no wonder your army deploys at the frontier
Dec 26 20:57:52 <TAsn> bumbl, tell that to the rest of the world.
Dec 26 20:57:53 <bumbl> TAsn: they again sent it on the news
Dec 26 20:58:16 <TAsn> btw, we are not saints as well.
Dec 26 20:58:38 <bumbl> with a comment on how bad it is that you disturb xmas peace
Dec 26 20:58:55 <TAsn> you = israel?
Dec 26 20:59:20 <TAsn> from what I know hamas are mostly muslims and there isn't that much action in bet lehem.
Dec 26 20:59:48 <TAsn> but even if there was, this is probably essential, as I said, we are constantly getting bombed.
Dec 26 20:59:59 <bumbl> you = israel + palestinians
Dec 26 21:00:09 <TAsn> bumbl, oh, yeah ;]
Dec 26 21:01:21 <TAsn> bumbl, btw it's hanuka now, so I guess we are also spoiling the jewish holiday. ;]
Dec 26 21:02:41 <Dave> YES
Dec 26 21:05:06 <bumbl> well i would prefer if there was peace in the region but knowing the history the chances for that are around zero percent
Dec 26 21:05:43 <TAsn> bumbl, I know. this sucks bad ;\
Dec 26 21:05:55 <TAsn> I too prefer peace
Dec 26 21:05:56 <Dave> haha
Dec 26 21:06:05 <Dave> I thought that said you = israel + plutonium
Dec 26 21:06:39 <TAsn> I think the palestinians are right, though so are the israelies, and both sides are stubborn.
Dec 26 21:07:06 <TAsn> I see only one solution, the US should conquer isreal ;]
Dec 26 21:07:43 <TAsn> and now without joking, I really think world peace will come before peace in israel ;\
Dec 26 21:07:43 <bumbl> well they won't
Dec 26 21:07:44 <Dave> hahaha
Dec 26 21:07:51 <bumbl> haha
Dec 26 21:08:04 <Dave> Whoever controls the oil, controls the universe.
Dec 26 21:08:28 <bumbl> Dave: so the muslims and commies control the universe?
Dec 26 21:08:33 <Dave> The oil must flow!
Dec 26 21:12:14 <bumbl> because muslimic and (ex-)-communistic countries control most of the oil
Dec 26 21:22:43 <TAsn> I really think
Dec 26 21:22:53 <TAsn> we should all move to nuclear power
Dec 26 21:23:02 <TAsn> ;]
Dec 26 21:23:20 <dos1> TAsn: at last poland is moving
Dec 26 21:23:25 <TAsn> and electric cars!
Dec 26 21:23:38 <TAsn> well or at least bicycles ;]
Dec 26 21:23:48 <TAsn> dos1, for that I like poland! ;]
Dec 26 21:23:50 <BluesLee> TAsn: i thought israel has nuclear power ...
Dec 26 21:23:53 <bumbl> TAsn: nah the energe of the sun
Dec 26 21:23:57 <TAsn> BluesLee, shhh!!! ;]
Dec 26 21:24:05 <dos1> there are plans to build first nuclear powerhouse
Dec 26 21:24:18 <TAsn> BluesLee, j/k, even if we do (and we don't comment about that) we don't use it for power.
Dec 26 21:24:24 <TAsn> just for building nukes ;\
Dec 26 21:24:43 <bumbl> nuclear power doesn't have a good official perception here in austria
Dec 26 21:25:16 <TAsn> bumbl, making those solar cells is highly not environmental friendly
Dec 26 21:25:27 <TAsn> bumbl, I'm coming to austria soon ;]
Dec 26 21:25:33 <TAsn> Snowborading! ;]
Dec 26 21:25:45 <bumbl> as we all remember Tschernobil
Dec 26 21:25:56 <bumbl> which was a disaster
Dec 26 21:26:05 <TAsn> bumbl, tschernobil is in russia... not austria ;]
Dec 26 21:26:06 <bumbl> TAsn: cool - where do you go?
Dec 26 21:26:13 <TAsn> sallbach
Dec 26 21:26:20 <dos1> Tasn: actually in ukraine
Dec 26 21:26:23 <dos1> ;]
Dec 26 21:26:34 <dos1> not russia
Dec 26 21:26:42 <TAsn> ;]
Dec 26 21:26:46 <TAsn> close enough
Dec 26 21:26:56 <TAsn> iirc ukraine != austria ;]
Dec 26 21:27:50 <bumbl> jep Tschernobil was in the ukraine - but thanks to the wind there were cases of contamination with radiation even here
Dec 26 21:28:00 <bumbl> TAsn: ah salbach is nice
Dec 26 21:28:23 <dos1> bumbl: yes, in poland too
Dec 26 21:28:34 <TAsn> bumbl, ouch ;[
Dec 26 21:28:42 <TAsn> bumbl, really?
Dec 26 21:28:54 <TAsn> isn't it too low? it's only 1000 meters
Dec 26 21:29:13 <TAsn> last year I've been in ischgel, man, that resort is crazy ;]
Dec 26 21:29:22 <TAsn> same goes for lech.
Dec 26 21:30:03 <bumbl> ischgl, lech = expensive but nice
Dec 26 21:30:14 <bumbl> salbach = nice but cheaper
Dec 26 21:30:17 <TAsn> hehe ;]
Dec 26 21:30:31 <TAsn> I went to ischgl on the last week of last year's season
Dec 26 21:30:39 <TAsn> so it wasn't that expensive
Dec 26 21:30:47 <TAsn> lech is crazy, yeah ;\
Dec 26 21:31:00 <TAsn> aston martins, lambos and ferraries everywhere.
Dec 26 21:31:46 <bumbl> i prefer obertauern
Dec 26 21:32:17 <TAsn> never heard of it (well probably because I mostly ski in france)
Dec 26 21:34:46 <bumbl> well obertauern is in salzburg too but is higher
Dec 26 21:34:52 <bumbl> -> it has more snow
Dec 26 21:35:07 <TAsn> hey don't rub it in, I know sallbach isn't that high ;]
Dec 26 21:38:16 <bumbl> in obertauern there we have our secret "cultivate your own ski champion"-lab
Dec 26 21:41:06 <TAsn> a what?
Dec 26 21:43:06 <bumbl> there we have a kind of trainings camp for our national skiers
Dec 26 21:45:35 <dos1> python-elementary sucks
Dec 26 21:46:04 <dos1> a lot is not implemented
Dec 26 21:46:10 <dos1> like toolbar...
Dec 26 21:47:06 <bumbl> dos1: is the new rev out?
Dec 26 21:47:32 <bumbl> nah still at rev 327
Dec 26 21:49:20 <bumbl> dos1: from where do you get py elm? from linuxtogo?
Dec 26 21:49:35 <dos1> from shr-repo
Dec 26 21:49:52 <dos1> but sources from linuxtogo haven't toolbar implemented too
Dec 26 21:50:26 <bumbl> yep morphis is working on a new rev with additional features
Dec 26 21:50:36 <dos1> when it will be released?
Dec 26 21:50:41 <bumbl> which will be committed to e svn
Dec 26 21:50:47 <bumbl> dos1: afaik soon
Dec 26 21:50:56 <bumbl> what is the toolbar feature anyway
Dec 26 21:51:06 <dos1> run elementary_test
Dec 26 21:51:32 <dos1> and select toolbar
Dec 26 21:51:45 <bumbl> booting freerunner
Dec 26 21:52:00 <dos1> and if you are in illume settings
Dec 26 21:52:03 <dos1> toolbar is on top
Dec 26 21:52:59 <bumbl> hmm wow
Dec 26 21:53:04 <bumbl> i like that feature
Dec 26 21:53:07 <dolf1074|away> so it isn't released yet?
Dec 26 21:54:21 <yoyo> hi
Dec 26 21:54:37 <dolf1074> Where can I find the source code of elementary_test?
Dec 26 21:54:58 <bumbl> e svn
Dec 26 21:54:58 <TAsn> bumbl, i c.
Dec 26 21:55:14 <bumbl> python bindings: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=smartphones
Dec 26 21:56:08 <dolf1074> bumbl: thanks
Dec 26 21:58:48 <yoyo> in pass there whas libgsm to test what is wrong with gsm and now is what ?
Dec 26 22:29:20 <alexxy> Ainulindale: hi; still no pim for SHR yet?
Dec 26 22:30:42 <bumbl> alexxy: upstreamissue
Dec 26 22:30:55 <alexxy> i know =)
Dec 26 22:31:02 <bumbl> but at least we have a phonelog new
Dec 26 22:31:11 <bumbl> s/new/now/
Dec 26 22:31:11 <bzzbot> bumbl meant: but at least we have a phonelog now
Dec 26 22:31:12 <alexxy> and i saw that opimd is in todo list
Dec 26 22:31:14 <alexxy> =)
Dec 26 22:33:39 <TAsn> bumbl, ;]
Dec 26 22:35:30 <viq> It's in a todo list of a lot of people ;)
Dec 26 23:05:43 <tifereth> building shr is nearly like playing lottery
Dec 26 23:07:19 <viq> russian roulette? ;)
Dec 26 23:07:50 <tifereth> yeha nearly like this
Dec 26 23:07:52 <tifereth> http://rafb.net/p/PHSSPR74.html
Dec 26 23:08:03 <tifereth> anyone can tell me what i have to fix
Dec 26 23:10:29 <tifereth> memory clobbered before allocated block
Dec 26 23:10:29 <tifereth> qemu: uncaught target signal 6 (Aborted) - exiting
Dec 26 23:14:09 <mwester> tifereth:  just disable building of locales entirely, and then you don't have to deal with the horrors of qemu.
Dec 26 23:14:41 <tifereth> well thats what i tried before, but i got an error there too
Dec 26 23:14:48 <tifereth> but okay i'll try again
Dec 26 23:15:09 <tifereth> with ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" ?
Dec 26 23:16:27 <Kensan> tifereth: be sure to check the troubleshooting section on the wiki and edit it if it's not accurate.
Dec 26 23:16:45 <Kensan> Goodday Mr. Wester ;)
Dec 26 23:17:06 <tifereth> i'm trying but i'm not sure if my fixes are the proper ones so its a bit difficult
Dec 26 23:20:35 <ptitjes|dinner> Evening guys!
Dec 26 23:22:45 <ptitjes|dinner> Anyway revolutions come from the bottom (let us all learn to use an iron and make a service for friends who don't!)
Dec 26 23:25:04 <ptitjes|dinner> [This was my philosophical contribution to that tiny steps the community does day by day - just ignore if you are upset]
Dec 26 23:26:39 <ptitjes|dinner> oups
Dec 26 23:31:00 <yoyo> can I set manualy operator?
Dec 26 23:43:37 <ingoa> hello,
Dec 26 23:45:38 <dos1> new shr-settings mockups are done... in gpe-scetchpad ;)
Dec 26 23:45:53 <dos1> sketchpad*
Dec 26 23:48:47 <ingoa> my nand boot entries are wrong.
Dec 26 23:48:58 <ingoa> i tested to install debian.
Dec 26 23:50:03 <ingoa> can i fix this with an download from u-boot?
Dec 26 23:50:16 <ingoa> is this the right way?
Dec 26 23:51:03 <ingoa> and is this th eright file? From OM2008.12 "gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin"
Dec 26 23:55:40 <ptitjes> byebye
Dec 26 23:58:16 <mwester> ingoa:  no, I do not think you can fix that by reflashing u-boot.  I think you must connect to u-boot via a serial device, and put the environment back to normal yourself.
Dec 27 02:29:14 <cesarb> Is there any distribution which can currently be compiled from scratch? So far I have tried Mokomakefile (the branch does not exist anymore), Mokomakefile with the commented-out branch (breaks in libftdi-native_0.9.bb), and the fso makefile for the fso-testing-image (breaks in usb-gadget-mode-0.0.2).
Dec 27 02:32:05 <mwester> cesarb:  nope, all broken at this precise moment in time.
Dec 27 02:32:58 <cesarb> mwester: great, when I finally decide to play with it again... I see nothing has changed then ;-)
Dec 27 02:33:08 <mwester> Mickey was working on the FSO stuff, and nobody knows what the deal is with openmoko and the 2008.12 distro, at least as far as I've been able to tell (they are moving it back into the OE repo, which is good, but I don't think they bothered to tag the 2008.12 release as far as I could see.
Dec 27 02:33:10 <mwester> :(
Dec 27 02:34:10 <mwester> cesarb: well some things have changed.  Om has killed the 2008.x (asu) stuff, and is supporting Mickey's FSO -- that's good.
Dec 27 02:34:34 <mwester> Andy is rabidly pushing 2.6.28, which is about as stable as a house of cards.
Dec 27 02:34:40 <mwester> Nobody has touched cpufreq.
Dec 27 02:34:47 <cesarb> mwester: cool (it was the one I liked the most... and it was the least broken IIRC)
Dec 27 02:35:24 <cesarb> mwester: I think one of the ARM guys touched it, some things went upstream before I completely stopped following stuff (i.e. before my email inbox exploded to thousands of unread pieces of spam)
Dec 27 02:35:33 <mwester> The community (!) finlly identified the WSoD problem on resume that has prevented the GTA02 from resuming reliably since it shipped... that's good (although the time it took is really really sad)
Dec 27 02:35:45 <cesarb> mwester: and it is about time they go to 2.6.28, 2.6.24 is old
Dec 27 02:36:09 <cesarb> mwester: lol, what was the cause?
Dec 27 02:36:19 <mwester> And the Om kernel guys work FURIOUSLY on 2.6.28 and the GTA03, while on the mailing lists Om folks repeatedly deny that they are diverting any effort from fixing the gta02 toward the gta03.
Dec 27 02:36:44 <mwester> I don't even remember, I'm so sick of the kernel crap I'm taking a break from it for a while.
Dec 27 02:36:56 <cesarb> mwester: ...and GTA01 is utterly abandoned, since last I heard they do not even have a working GTA01 anymore!
Dec 27 02:37:09 <cesarb> mwester: :(
Dec 27 02:38:02 <mwester> And it is about time to go to 2.6.27, but only if would be stable, but since not a single one of the kernel folks actually even has a phone-type userspace, much less ever attempts to use it as a phone, there's no hope that Om will stabilize any kernel -- so we need a volunteer to create and manage a stable 2.6.27+ branch. :(
Dec 27 02:38:40 <mwester> Yeah, regarding the GTA01, they make noises like they miight "buy back" a few, just so they have them for historical (read: display case) purposes.
Dec 27 02:38:54 <cesarb> mwester: lol
Dec 27 02:38:59 <mwester> Nevertheless, the GTA01 I have works more stabily and reliabely than the gta02!
Dec 27 02:39:05 <mwester> :)
Dec 27 02:39:26 <cesarb> mwester: the GTA01 has gllin. The GTA02 has glamo. I do not know which is worse.
Dec 27 02:39:48 <mwester> So, the future is here on this IRC channel -- FSO and SHR for the userspace, and as soon as a volunteer steps up, we'll get a stable 2.6.27+ kernel.  Who needs Om?
Dec 27 02:40:07 <cesarb> mwester: ah, you see, that *was* the cunning plan
Dec 27 02:40:21 <mwester> BTW, the glamo is worse, far far worse.  At least gllin is contained and not contagious.
Dec 27 02:40:37 <cesarb> mwester: grow a community on vaporous promises, and let they become annoyed enough that they take the entire software stack in their hands
Dec 27 02:40:57 <cesarb> mwester: leaving OM with just the hardware part
Dec 27 02:43:33 <mwester> :D
Dec 27 02:44:28 <mwester> Yep, and the coolest part you can see on the mailing lists.  When the users complain about the failings of OM, OM doesn't even have to respond -- they have a legion of Om Fanboys that attack anyone who complains!
Dec 27 02:49:23 <cesarb> I am wondering about the GTA03. If you guess by looking at the GTA01->GTA02 transition, they will fix all the known horrible problems and introduce several new different horrible problems.
Dec 27 02:49:45 <mwester> hehe!
Dec 27 02:50:19 <mwester> At least they have Ben Dooks doing the kernel basics for that SoC, including the suspend/resume -- so that limits what Om can screw up to some degree.
Dec 27 02:51:04 <cesarb> mwester: let's just hope they do not turn off the power to the chip before trying to suspend it, if you remember that one ;-)
Dec 27 02:51:35 <mwester> I think they still do that, though -- I think the PMU powers off and they coast on the caps or something, don't they?
Dec 27 02:54:29 <cesarb> mwester: yeah, but last I read they now do just the very minimal after it is off, so the caps are enough. Before, they were doing too much (not noticing they just turned off the power...) and it misbehaved.
Dec 27 02:55:12 <mwester> :)
Dec 27 02:55:23 <mwester> ah well... I've certainly learned a lot.
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