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Dec 28 03:26:57 <ptitjes> yé
Dec 28 07:13:46 <sylar1991> anyone knows how to send trought python an edje change state event?
Dec 28 07:23:34 <PaulFertser_> sylar1991: I think i do :)
Dec 28 07:27:30 <PaulFertser_> sylar1991: you do signal_emit() with a particular name and in the .edc file add a program with signal : "particular_name"; and action action: STATE_SET 
Dec 28 07:33:18 <sylar1991> ah thanks, it must run :)
Dec 28 07:33:22 <sylar1991> *it should run
Dec 28 07:41:26 <sylar1991> signal_emit requires 2 argument, which ones?
Dec 28 07:46:57 <PaulFertser_> sylar1991: signal name and signal parameter, i guess
Dec 28 07:50:11 <PaulFertser_> sylar1991: actually, it's emission and source. http://staff.get-e.org/~barbieri/python-efl-api/
Dec 28 07:50:56 <sylar1991> wow it runs!
Dec 28 07:51:10 <sylar1991> thanks a lot
Dec 28 07:51:37 <sylar1991> so my project is mainly completed
Dec 28 07:51:38 <sylar1991> ^^
Dec 28 07:52:08 <kd8ikt> arfg gps isnt fixin in shrlite latest for me
Dec 28 07:52:52 <PaulFertser_> sylar1991: I think edje api should be described at http://docs.enlightenment.org/api/edje/html but unfortunately it gives "not found". You'd better tell raster about this problem when you see him.
Dec 28 07:54:23 <PaulFertser_> sylar1991: But you can download a pdf version at http://docs.enlightenment.org/api/edje/edje-reference.pdf
Dec 28 07:55:14 <sylar1991> thanks, but it is only for C or also for python language?
Dec 28 07:58:12 <PaulFertser_> sylar1991: i think they may from C to python pretty close. For C bindings the first argument is a pointer to object, for python it's omitted because the functions become class methods, so an object is given implicitly (via ``self'').
Dec 28 07:59:57 <sylar1991> ah ok
Dec 28 08:15:51 <sylar1991> PaulFertser_: do you know also how to make an etk "alert box"?
Dec 28 08:17:37 <PaulFertser_> sylar1991: no, i don't do python and efl at all. Sorry.
Dec 28 08:42:20 <openmoko> sylar1991: what was your project?
Dec 28 09:05:55 <sylar1991> openmoko: I had a similar idea to a recently released project (meooem, do you know?) , but mine is more advanced
Dec 28 09:20:38 <sylar1991> where can I find how to create an ipk?
Dec 28 09:23:17 <mirko-paroli> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain
Dec 28 09:27:31 <sylar1991> mirko-paroli: I don't want to use the toolchain, I have only two python file files and 2 configuration files... isn't there a shorter way?
Dec 28 09:36:43 <mirko-paroli> sylar1991 let me check
Dec 28 09:40:42 <mirko-paroli> as far as I know you have to use either the toolchain or openembeded
Dec 28 09:45:05 <sylar1991> ah ok, thanks
Dec 28 09:45:28 <sylar1991> raster: could you tell me please how to change the text of an edje TEXTBLOCK from python?
Dec 28 09:45:49 <raster> nup
Dec 28 09:46:01 <sylar1991> nup?
Dec 28 09:46:03 <raster> i can tell you how to do it in c
Dec 28 09:46:09 <raster> nup - nope - no
Dec 28 09:46:29 <sylar1991> lol, in python isn't it yet possible?
Dec 28 09:46:42 <raster> no - i just dont do python
Dec 28 09:46:43 <mirko-paroli> TEXTBLOCK.part_text_set('PARTNAME',TEXT)
Dec 28 09:46:48 <raster> i dont sdo the bindings
Dec 28 09:46:52 <raster> i dont support them
Dec 28 09:46:56 <raster> i dont write anything in python
Dec 28 09:47:03 <sylar1991> ah ok
Dec 28 09:47:17 <raster> thus - i can tell you how to do it in c
Dec 28 09:47:22 <raster> :)
Dec 28 09:47:27 <raster> but not in python
Dec 28 09:47:29 <sylar1991> mirko-parol: part_text_set works for TEXT, are you sure it runs also for TEXTBLOCK?
Dec 28 09:47:43 <raster> its the same api call in c for both
Dec 28 09:47:58 <raster> text is expected in "markup"
Dec 28 09:48:11 <mirko-paroli> you can also use a text element as the textsource for the textblock
Dec 28 09:48:19 <raster> ie <tag>blahblah<tag2>blahblah blah</endtag> etc.
Dec 28 09:48:36 <raster> the style for the textblock part in edje defines how tags map to formatting commands
Dec 28 09:48:40 <sylar1991> raster: yes, I know this
Dec 28 09:48:47 <sylar1991> thanks
Dec 28 09:49:40 <sylar1991> raster: are you the admin of the #e irc channel?
Dec 28 09:49:50 <raster> well i'm one of the ops
Dec 28 09:49:52 <raster> yes
Dec 28 09:50:14 <sylar1991> and could you tell me please the reason why I am banned from the chan? oO
Dec 28 09:50:59 <raster> you are root
Dec 28 09:51:06 <raster> all root users are banned
Dec 28 09:51:10 <sylar1991> ah lol
Dec 28 09:51:48 <sylar1991> so just login in as a normal user?
Dec 28 09:51:58 <sylar1991> *join
Dec 28 09:52:03 <raster> yes
Dec 28 09:52:13 <sylar1991> thanks
Dec 28 09:52:25 <raster> generally speaking people ircing as root is a sign of being a n00b and also likely very annoying :)
Dec 28 09:52:30 <raster> thats the trend
Dec 28 09:53:54 <sylar1991> lol, I'm an arch linux n00b and I'm always configuring the system so it is confortable for me to access as root...
Dec 28 09:54:34 <raster> i know almost everyone if they need root.. uses sudo or su from a normal user
Dec 28 09:55:01 <sylar1991> yes I know, I change user immadiatly :)
Dec 28 09:55:11 <raster> then you won't be banned :)
Dec 28 09:55:19 <sylar1991> ;)
Dec 28 10:09:40 <sylar91> raster: ;)
Dec 28 10:24:43 <PaulFertser_> Hey raster! :) Are you aware that http://docs.enlightenment.org/api/edje/html gives "not found" ?
Dec 28 10:34:30 <BluesLee> i have a problem with edje files
Dec 28 10:35:05 <BluesLee> if i decompress an illume theme and use build.sh there wich looks like
Dec 28 10:35:09 <BluesLee> "edje_cc $@ -id . -fd . illume-shr.edc -o illume-shr.edj"
Dec 28 10:35:37 <BluesLee> enlightenment uses 15% of cpu instead of 0% before
Dec 28 10:35:48 <sylar91> :S
Dec 28 10:36:03 <BluesLee> no joke
Dec 28 10:37:01 <BluesLee> i thought my iconsize, color depth, digital clock implementation etc is the problem
Dec 28 10:37:40 <BluesLee> but it looks like the above build script or edje_cc does something wrong here
Dec 28 10:41:28 <BluesLee> Hire: hi#
Dec 28 10:41:37 <Hire> hi
Dec 28 10:41:47 <BluesLee> Hire: can you test something
Dec 28 10:42:18 <Hire> mmm
Dec 28 10:42:21 <Hire> depends
Dec 28 10:42:22 <Hire> :)
Dec 28 10:42:37 <BluesLee> Hire: can you edje_decc a theme of your choice and edje_cc it again and look at htop before and after?
Dec 28 10:43:29 <Hire> why? 
Dec 28 10:43:36 <Hire> but i did that on my pc
Dec 28 10:43:47 <BluesLee> i have 0% before and more than 15% after
Dec 28 10:43:53 <BluesLee> i do it on the neo
Dec 28 10:44:16 <BluesLee> as edje_decc does not decompress the illume themes on pc
Dec 28 10:44:25 <BluesLee> i get error messages there
Dec 28 10:45:03 <Hire> weird
Dec 28 10:45:09 <Hire> because I compiled E on my pc
Dec 28 10:45:22 <BluesLee> i didnt, i used precompiled stuff
Dec 28 10:45:24 <Hire> and I can edj_decc or edje_cc always without issue
Dec 28 10:45:28 <Hire> bad things :)
Dec 28 10:45:37 <Hire> ainulindale will slap you for that
Dec 28 10:45:40 <Hire> slaps
Dec 28 10:46:20 <BluesLee> i will slap him if there is something wrong with edje_(de)cc on the neo;-)
Dec 28 10:47:09 <BluesLee> Hire: how you use edje_cc usually?
Dec 28 10:47:25 <Hire> but i think it is a raster's fault
Dec 28 10:47:28 <Hire> erh
Dec 28 10:47:39 <Hire> i use always the ./build.sh script
Dec 28 10:47:44 <BluesLee> okay
Dec 28 10:47:46 <BluesLee> i also
Dec 28 10:47:50 <Hire> that does edje_cc -c something -o otherthings
Dec 28 10:48:15 <BluesLee> edje_cc $@ -id . -fd . illume-shr.edc -o illume-shr.edj"
Dec 28 10:48:24 <BluesLee> to be correct
Dec 28 10:49:34 <Hire> ah
Dec 28 10:49:36 <Hire> oh
Dec 28 10:49:39 <Hire> i see :D
Dec 28 10:49:47 <BluesLee> same effect there?
Dec 28 10:52:55 <Hire> yes
Dec 28 10:52:56 <Hire> the same
Dec 28 10:53:01 <Hire> ehi chan
Dec 28 10:53:06 <BluesLee> weird stuff
Dec 28 10:53:22 <Hire> chan greets quickdev
Dec 28 10:53:30 <Hire> *everybody* hello quickdev
Dec 28 10:53:43 <Hire> ( fight club .cit )
Dec 28 10:53:43 <BluesLee> hi quickdev
Dec 28 10:57:06 <BluesLee> its weird
Dec 28 10:57:25 <BluesLee> now i have again 15% with the default one
Dec 28 10:59:18 <BluesLee> ps -ef gives me about 20 wakerd processess?
Dec 28 10:59:53 <quickdev> BluesLee, that means it's not the clock, right?
Dec 28 11:00:44 <BluesLee> quickdev: i dont know what it is, you may try the following on the neo: edje_decc a theme and use build.sh to compress it again or edje_cc
Dec 28 11:01:27 <BluesLee> quickdev: the cpu usage switches from 0% to 15% 
Dec 28 11:02:11 <BluesLee> is wakerd alarm related?
Dec 28 11:02:35 <BluesLee> i killed that now i have again 0%, its funny
Dec 28 11:04:19 <BluesLee> to be honest, i dont know what i am doing here
Dec 28 11:04:23 <BluesLee> :-)
Dec 28 11:08:01 <BluesLee> okay:-)
Dec 28 11:09:03 <quickdev> BluesLee, http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/st/waker/data/etc/80x-enlightenment-wakerd
Dec 28 11:09:06 <quickdev> googled it ;)
Dec 28 11:10:06 <BluesLee> quickdev: okay, but we also have an issue with the alarm
Dec 28 11:10:50 <quickdev> elementary-alarm? You should talk with raster about it :)
Dec 28 11:11:26 <BluesLee> damn, i thought i had the solution for this cpu thing
Dec 28 11:22:02 <mirko> are some of you at the congress in berlin?
Dec 28 11:28:36 <raster> PaulFertser_: not surprising
Dec 28 11:29:33 <raster> BluesLee: are the .edj files identical?
Dec 28 11:29:37 <raster> they should be!
Dec 28 11:29:41 <PaulFertser_> raster: not surprising for you, but surprising for users desperately searching for the API docs ;)
Dec 28 11:30:41 <raster> PaulFertser_:  docs are shipped with the code
Dec 28 11:30:48 <raster> :)
Dec 28 11:30:57 <raster> and why don't u just open Edje.h
Dec 28 11:31:00 <raster> thats what i do
Dec 28 11:31:01 <raster> :)
Dec 28 11:31:48 <raster> btw wakerd is run as part of your login
Dec 28 11:31:59 <BluesLee> raster: i am lost with the cpu thingy
Dec 28 11:32:03 <raster> it doesnt connect to x and if u have been res-atarting your x login completely
Dec 28 11:32:08 <raster> it likely will get run several times
Dec 28 11:32:57 <raster> and edje_cc really has no compile options that can/should affect a .edj file programatically
Dec 28 11:33:02 <raster> you can FORCe a certain image encoding
Dec 28 11:33:06 <raster> but thats about it
Dec 28 11:33:11 <raster> other than include dirs
Dec 28 11:33:22 <raster> (and image and font dirs)
Dec 28 11:33:32 <raster> so the src data literally can be changed to point elsewhere
Dec 28 11:34:07 <BluesLee> i think my icons use a lot of cpu
Dec 28 11:34:51 <raster> there is no way they can unless
Dec 28 11:34:54 <raster> 1. they keep being redrawn
Dec 28 11:35:03 <raster> 2. they are animated (whihc they are not)
Dec 28 11:35:09 <BluesLee> if e takes 0% cpu the ui feels much more responsive for instance omview
Dec 28 11:35:53 <bumbl> raster: apple wants to patent a technique which you already have implemented http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20080316183&OS=20080316183&RS=20080316183
Dec 28 11:36:27 <bumbl> includes
Dec 28 11:36:35 <BluesLee> i use the default shr ones, cpu 0%, then i copy some of my own, rm .e and restart x and e jumps up to 15%
Dec 28 11:36:37 <bumbl> gesture to the left - delete one char
Dec 28 11:36:41 <raster> bumbl: i simply copied qtopia - they did it before me
Dec 28 11:37:22 <bumbl> ah ok
Dec 28 11:37:50 <raster> so as such.. i'll happi8ly let nokia fight that fight
Dec 28 11:37:56 <raster> as they have the lwyers
Dec 28 11:38:01 <raster> and the money and time to do it
Dec 28 11:38:27 <BluesLee> raster: color depth and icon size is nor problem here?
Dec 28 11:38:34 <raster> BluesLee: i cant imagine what would cause it to do that - unless compiling on arm is broken and generates some broken .edj file
Dec 28 11:38:38 <raster> or incorrect one
Dec 28 11:38:41 <raster> no
Dec 28 11:38:50 <raster> colordepth and cion size just are blobs of data
Dec 28 11:38:52 <raster> they consume no cpu
Dec 28 11:38:56 <raster> (as such)
Dec 28 11:39:00 <PaulFertser_> quickdev: I think my gsm0710muxd patch somehow harms GPRS, the muxer dumps core. I'm investigating it atm.
Dec 28 11:39:00 <bumbl> well anyway the try to patent this is stupid
Dec 28 11:39:03 <raster> color depth doesnt make any difference
Dec 28 11:39:10 <raster> all data is expanded and saves as ARGB32
Dec 28 11:39:21 <raster> so all u do is make life perhaps easier on the compression
Dec 28 11:39:23 <raster> nothng else
Dec 28 11:39:32 <raster> bumbl:  most patents are stupid
Dec 28 11:39:39 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: does that happen always?
Dec 28 11:39:49 <raster> i hope the patent system collapses under its own stupidity sometime soon
Dec 28 11:39:56 <raster> at least software patents
Dec 28 11:40:00 <raster> but preferably more
Dec 28 11:40:13 <raster> the # of patents files for trivial silly basic obvious thnigs is amazing
Dec 28 11:40:16 <BluesLee> raster: i left the compressing, only on fs, i copy some icons and the cpu rises drastically
Dec 28 11:40:18 <PaulFertser_> lindi-: With my latest patch to buffer writes to a pty, yes.
Dec 28 11:40:18 <raster> letalone the # that get approved
Dec 28 11:40:55 <raster> i'd be ok with patents if they cannot be re-assigned (The intellectual property)
Dec 28 11:41:03 <raster> so the actual OWNEr needs to file
Dec 28 11:41:06 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: can i take a look? (timo.lindfors@iki.fi or paste it somewhere)
Dec 28 11:41:08 <BluesLee> no idea here
Dec 28 11:41:23 <raster> and silly patents were tracked
Dec 28 11:41:35 <raster> so if a company (now ithat its forced to file on its own behalf)
Dec 28 11:41:56 <raster> keeps filiong for silly obvious patents it needs to pay more and more in applicatin fees
Dec 28 11:41:58 <raster> and gets delayed
Dec 28 11:42:04 <raster> or declined immediately
Dec 28 11:42:20 <raster> but reall y- i'd be just as happy nuking the damn crap
Dec 28 11:43:09 <PaulFertser_> lindi-: What exactly would you want to look at? I haven't generated a backtrace yet. Or would you like to see a patch?
Dec 28 11:43:23 <openmoko> We've gotten another patent violation?
Dec 28 11:43:28 <openmoko> noification
Dec 28 11:43:29 <joerg_42> raster: yup
Dec 28 11:43:35 <openmoko> notification
Dec 28 11:43:47 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: i'd like to see the patch. i have done apt-get --build source gsm0710muxd before to figure out how this muxing stuff works :)
Dec 28 11:43:53 <raster> joerg_42:  yo yo j!
Dec 28 11:44:02 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: gdb is ready, i could at least check if i get the same backtrace as you
Dec 28 11:44:15 <PaulFertser_> lindi-: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/0001-Implement-write-buffering-for-the-ptys.patch
Dec 28 11:44:20 <quickdev> PaulFertser_, you/we should provide a gsmmuxd package in order to get test results from other people as well
Dec 28 11:44:32 <raster> joerg_42:  how's xmas?
Dec 28 11:44:40 <PaulFertser_> quickdev: not before i investigate the issue.
Dec 28 11:44:46 <quickdev> yeah, of course
Dec 28 11:44:46 <joerg_42> FSCK!
Dec 28 11:44:58 <joerg_42> hate it
Dec 28 11:45:05 <raster> joerg_42: HAHAHAHAH
Dec 28 11:45:11 <raster> joerg_42: i like it..; as it means some time off
Dec 28 11:45:15 <raster> 4 day weekend
Dec 28 11:45:22 <raster> for once i'm taking time off and not coding
Dec 28 11:45:29 <raster> though... i am doing a little actually
Dec 28 11:45:32 <raster> can't kepe my hands off
Dec 28 11:45:51 <joerg_42> same here
Dec 28 11:46:24 <joerg_42> but actually nothing to eat for 3 days :-(
Dec 28 11:46:29 <raster> eh?
Dec 28 11:46:31 <raster> nothing?
Dec 28 11:46:50 <joerg_42> shops and restaurants closed
Dec 28 11:46:56 <PaulFertser_> lindi-, quickdev In fact, i think i know what's wrong here. The channel was created but the original author didn't set the encoding. And i didn't check that.
Dec 28 11:46:57 <raster> eh?
Dec 28 11:47:01 <raster> restaurants too?
Dec 28 11:47:04 <raster> and all shops
Dec 28 11:47:10 <raster> not even supermarket open?
Dec 28 11:47:18 <joerg_42> nope
Dec 28 11:47:34 <raster> how... uncivilised.
Dec 28 11:47:51 <raster> i know .au sucks compared to .jp or .tw in "stuff being open all the time"
Dec 28 11:48:19 <raster> but even here at least supermarkets and most "major" restaurants as well as fast-food (mcdonalds, burgerking, kfc etc.) are open xmas day
Dec 28 11:48:24 <raster> as well as boxing day
Dec 28 11:48:28 <joerg_42> .de the same
Dec 28 11:48:36 <raster> hell boxing day here the deparment sotres were open 5am until midnight
Dec 28 11:48:52 <joerg_42> no burger open at xmas tho
Dec 28 11:48:58 <raster> no?
Dec 28 11:49:00 <raster> open here
Dec 28 11:49:04 <raster> and supermarket too
Dec 28 11:49:14 <raster> though i stocked up before
Dec 28 11:49:15 <raster> so fridge is full
Dec 28 11:49:21 <raster> no shortage of food in this house
Dec 28 11:49:21 <raster> :)
Dec 28 11:49:32 <raster> shortage of internet tho
Dec 28 11:49:33 <raster> :(
Dec 28 11:49:45 <joerg_42> :(
Dec 28 11:50:13 <joerg_42> U r .au?
Dec 28 11:50:25 <raster> .au
Dec 28 11:50:39 <raster> waiting for my naked dsl to be turned on
Dec 28 11:50:41 <raster> still...
Dec 28 11:50:48 <raster> they will do it jan 6
Dec 28 11:50:51 <joerg_42> Pfff
Dec 28 11:51:00 <openmoko> raster: where are you
Dec 28 11:51:09 <raster> sydney
Dec 28 11:51:10 <joerg_42> got me umts
Dec 28 11:51:26 <joerg_42> hsdpa
Dec 28 11:51:46 <joerg_42> 25 bucks/month
Dec 28 11:52:09 <raster> u can get that here
Dec 28 11:52:14 <joerg_42> just in case
Dec 28 11:52:18 <raster> but u'd pay $49 for 7gb quota
Dec 28 11:52:27 <raster> and have to sign up for 2 years
Dec 28 11:52:44 <joerg_42> no sign up, prepaid :-)
Dec 28 11:52:54 <raster> i'm on prepaid wimax
Dec 28 11:52:55 <joerg_42> quota is some 5gb
Dec 28 11:53:02 <raster> $20 gets u 15 days with 1gb quota
Dec 28 11:53:20 <raster> use up the quota and you drop to 32kbit
Dec 28 11:53:27 <raster> (normally its 512/128)
Dec 28 11:53:35 <joerg_42> same here
Dec 28 11:53:49 <joerg_42> (drop)
Dec 28 11:53:57 <raster> and well the 1gb vanished in the first 3 days of the period
Dec 28 11:54:12 <raster> i used to have 20mbit dsl with 90gb/mo quota
Dec 28 11:54:20 <raster> at my old place
Dec 28 11:54:23 <raster> and waiting for it here...
Dec 28 11:54:34 <joerg_42> dsl has no quota here
Dec 28 11:54:45 <joerg_42> anymore now
Dec 28 11:55:13 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: "GLib-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 passed to g_io_cing..." --  http://rafb.net/p/h8Ceim37.html
Dec 28 11:55:40 <PaulFertser_> lindi-: Exactly. And i've just fixed it. Wait for an updated patch please, it'll be ready in a minute.
Dec 28 11:55:40 <joerg_42> raster: ahhh, U moved
Dec 28 11:55:54 <joerg_42> finally
Dec 28 11:55:55 <raster> yes
Dec 28 11:56:03 <raster> so i had to get my net reconnected
Dec 28 11:57:45 <joerg_42> raster: where to find (or whom to ask) about all the alsa.state file versions in use out there?
Dec 28 11:58:13 <raster> no idea
Dec 28 11:58:21 <raster> i havent paid any attention to it
Dec 28 11:58:35 <joerg_42> nobody has ;-)
Dec 28 11:58:38 <raster> that'd imply that my FR was usable as a phone :)
Dec 28 11:58:38 <raster> and i'd care about my audio quality :)
Dec 28 11:59:05 <PaulFertser_> lindi-, quickdev: Please re-download the patch from https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/0001-Implement-write-buffering-for-the-ptys.patch the segfault is now fixed, gprs now works.
Dec 28 11:59:24 <quickdev> great :)
Dec 28 11:59:53 <PaulFertser_> quickdev: I hope you'll create an ipk. The most i can do in this regard is deb :)
Dec 28 11:59:55 <joerg_42> raster: not being useable as phone has much to do with .state crap I found out
Dec 28 12:00:59 <joerg_42> imagine what happens to audio echo issue if you use ALC of Wolfson
Dec 28 12:01:16 <quickdev> joerg_42, ALC?
Dec 28 12:01:22 <bumbl> yeah raster I agree with you
Dec 28 12:01:38 <joerg_42> ramping up sensitivity to max while no input signal to mic :-/
Dec 28 12:01:59 <joerg_42> Automatic Level Control
Dec 28 12:02:29 <joerg_42> PGA before LADC, RADC
Dec 28 12:02:31 <quickdev> joerg_42, should that be turned off?
Dec 28 12:02:40 <joerg_42> depends
Dec 28 12:02:46 <raster> joerg_42: i'm more concerned about things like reliably waking from suspend... :)
Dec 28 12:03:02 <joerg_42> should be turned off to simplify things
Dec 28 12:03:18 <raster> ie when the damn thnig suspends and resumes reliably 100% of the time... it's made a step forward
Dec 28 12:03:18 <raster> :)
Dec 28 12:03:46 <joerg_42> micmux should be mic2, not PGA
Dec 28 12:04:05 <raster> to date that is one thing i have not experienced
Dec 28 12:05:17 <BluesLee> hire: do you have more self made icons
Dec 28 12:05:25 <joerg_42> yup, knowledge bout IRQ handling isn't what I expected for kernel dev
Dec 28 12:06:19 <Hire> BluesLee: yes, what you need?
Dec 28 12:06:24 <raster> kernel devs should never know anything about irq handling! thats too complex for them!
Dec 28 12:06:29 <joerg_42> IRQ handler is a  *very* tricky thing, and a single flaky handler can spoil all the system
Dec 28 12:06:49 <BluesLee> Hire: all of them i will switch to yours:-)
Dec 28 12:07:07 <morphis> heyho
Dec 28 12:07:31 <quickdev> hey morphis 
Dec 28 12:07:33 <morphis> raster: are you there?
Dec 28 12:07:36 <joerg_42> BluesLee: all your base are belong to us
Dec 28 12:07:37 <BluesLee> Hire: it drives me crazy that e takes more than 15% with the b&w icons, dont know why
Dec 28 12:07:52 <Hire> the size...
Dec 28 12:07:54 * raster hides
Dec 28 12:07:56 <Hire> it is important :D
Dec 28 12:08:03 <BluesLee> joerg_42: i dont care about the u.s.;-)
Dec 28 12:08:04 <bumbl> dos1: ping
Dec 28 12:08:06 <morphis> I currently find out, that somebody uses python-elementary to develop a shr-settings app - very cool
Dec 28 12:08:06 * Hire takes a shotgun
Dec 28 12:08:07 <raster> BluesLee: i cant tell you why
Dec 28 12:08:10 <raster> it shouldnt
Dec 28 12:08:13 <raster> and i dont see it doing that
Dec 28 12:08:16 <joerg_42> lol
Dec 28 12:08:30 <bumbl> hi morphis 
Dec 28 12:08:33 <morphis> raster: bumbl told me, you would give me e-svn access for python-elementary?
Dec 28 12:08:37 <BluesLee> Hire: okay, i will resize them to 86x86 and see
Dec 28 12:08:41 <raster> beyond that i cant tell you
Dec 28 12:08:41 <raster> you will need to debug and trace/profile and find out why
Dec 28 12:08:44 <Hire> good boy :D
Dec 28 12:09:00 <dos1> bumbl: wait a moment, eating ;)
Dec 28 12:09:07 <bumbl> dos1: no problem
Dec 28 12:09:08 <raster> morphis: he did? i would? :)
Dec 28 12:09:10 <BluesLee> Hire: i am getting crazy with that stuff and hires icons are well done, i like them
Dec 28 12:09:17 <bumbl> enjoy your meal
Dec 28 12:09:26 <bumbl> raster: yes you said you would
Dec 28 12:09:31 <morphis> :)
Dec 28 12:10:27 <BluesLee> Hire: there is a theme git, can you upload yours there?
Dec 28 12:10:38 <Hire> sure :>
Dec 28 12:10:52 <Hire> but i don't have the access, sadly :>
Dec 28 12:11:07 <BluesLee> quickdev: give him the access please
Dec 28 12:11:44 <BluesLee> i am resizing the icons
Dec 28 12:12:01 <quickdev> BluesLee, please ask Ainulindale to do that
Dec 28 12:12:11 <Hire> i will wait
Dec 28 12:12:21 <bumbl> raster: http://rafb.net/p/k1PWnp10.html :p
Dec 28 12:12:31 <raster> morphis: need id_rsa.pub
Dec 28 12:12:41 <raster> and info.txt
Dec 28 12:12:41 <raster> see devs/ dir in e svn
Dec 28 12:12:43 <raster> for examples
Dec 28 12:13:00 <morphis> raster: ok, where should I send my pub key? email?
Dec 28 12:13:22 <raster> bumbl: apparently i did
Dec 28 12:13:35 <raster> morphis: raster@rasterman,com
Dec 28 12:13:51 <raster> morphis: raster@rasterman.com
Dec 28 12:13:54 <raster> i mean
Dec 28 12:13:54 <raster> and also need info.txt
Dec 28 12:14:00 <raster> browse svn in the trunk/e/devs dir
Dec 28 12:14:07 <raster> find the info.txt's and look
Dec 28 12:14:12 <raster> fill one out for yourself
Dec 28 12:14:23 <raster> i'm not going t5o go find the url for you
Dec 28 12:14:24 <morphis> I will do
Dec 28 12:14:27 <raster> u'm on 32kbit
Dec 28 12:14:30 <raster> i'm
Dec 28 12:14:36 <raster> fucked if i'm browsing anything
Dec 28 12:15:13 <bumbl> http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/devs/raster/info.txt <- that's an info.txt
Dec 28 12:15:54 <raster> that'd be an example
Dec 28 12:15:57 <raster> yes
Dec 28 12:15:57 <raster> :)
Dec 28 12:16:25 <BluesLee> Hire: okay, the size makes the big difference
Dec 28 12:16:30 <BluesLee> Hire: thanx
Dec 28 12:16:48 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: seems to work but running this in verbose mode really slows things down
Dec 28 12:16:49 <BluesLee> Hire: i resized before and also played with color depth
Dec 28 12:17:25 <raster> all that implies to me is the icons keep getting redrawn
Dec 28 12:17:28 <raster> and that is a problem
Dec 28 12:17:41 <raster> as such i cant see they do get redrawn when i turn on redraw debugging
Dec 28 12:17:52 <joerg_42> quickdev: (ALC) we shouldn't probably use that, as theres another one supposed to exist inside calypso. IF we use, we have to care about ALL parameters in table21 and table22 p33-34 wolfson manual.
Dec 28 12:18:01 <BluesLee> raster: i understand
Dec 28 12:19:22 <joerg_42> quickdev: (ALC) for gsmhandset.state that is
Dec 28 12:19:24 <quickdev> joerg_42, is it hard to disable that?
Dec 28 12:19:35 <PaulFertser_> lindi-: Sure it does. But we don't need a verbose mode anymore, as the bug's fixed :)
Dec 28 12:19:52 <joerg_42> care to switch micmux to MIC2
Dec 28 12:20:50 <joerg_42> dunno how many of our prev alsa.state had this set to "right PGA"
Dec 28 12:21:05 <joerg_42> control63
Dec 28 12:21:16 <raster> so unless you can confirm that it is indeed doign redraws - all i can assume is you are triggiering some other bogus issue
Dec 28 12:21:19 <raster> or somethnig unrelated
Dec 28 12:21:21 <raster> not sure
Dec 28 12:21:31 <raster> but it makes little sense unless redraws keep happening
Dec 28 12:21:37 <raster> and if that is happening - why do they keep happening
Dec 28 12:21:43 <raster> that is the important bit
Dec 28 12:21:59 <raster> icon size is not really relevant as if it si a redraw problem you still consume cpu that should tbe
Dec 28 12:22:00 <morphis> raster: I sent
Dec 28 12:22:05 <raster> be it tiny or huge icons
Dec 28 12:23:40 <DocScrutinizer> quickdev: name "Mic Sidetone Mux"
Dec 28 12:24:05 <DocScrutinizer> quickdev: should be
Dec 28 12:24:21 <DocScrutinizer> quickdev: value "Mic 2"
Dec 28 12:24:47 <DocScrutinizer> quickdev: NOT value "Right PGA"
Dec 28 12:24:49 <BluesLee> raster: wow, i guess they are redrawn in different ways, those for the illume theme in /etc/share/icons and those in /usr/share/pixmaps?
Dec 28 12:25:23 <raster> they are drawn the same
Dec 28 12:25:32 <raster> loaders load and convert to ARGB32 data
Dec 28 12:25:33 <BluesLee> then i am lost again:-)
Dec 28 12:25:46 <raster> after load an image si simply an array of argb32pixels
Dec 28 12:25:58 <raster> image size just determines how many of them there are
Dec 28 12:26:07 <PaulFertser_> mickeyl: Is it ok that ogsmd.pdp keeps checking route status every 2secs even after pdp deactivation?
Dec 28 12:26:08 <BluesLee> what stands a for in argb32?
Dec 28 12:26:13 <raster> (and thus affects overhead of scaling algorithms of course)
Dec 28 12:26:18 <raster> but if you reduce the # of colors
Dec 28 12:26:35 <raster> or have icons as xpm or png etc. doesnt matter really
Dec 28 12:26:38 <raster> beyond load time
Dec 28 12:26:50 <mickeyl> PaulFertser_: yes. the timeout is not getting deactivated yet. This part will be changed from polling to notification during the next days, so i didn't bother to fix it
Dec 28 12:26:54 <raster> once needed for the first time the image is loadedf and stays in ram until no longer needed
Dec 28 12:26:58 <DocScrutinizer> quickdev: obviously (from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem#using_phone-internal_microphone_and_speaker) the orignal idea was to use ALC-PGA
Dec 28 12:27:07 <raster> BluesLee:  32bit ARGB (alpha red green blue)
Dec 28 12:27:12 <raster> 1 pixel == 32bits
Dec 28 12:27:16 <BluesLee> okay
Dec 28 12:28:04 <PaulFertser_> mickeyl: Ok then. Thanks. And what about my gsm0710muxd patch? quickdev tested it and it solves his problem. I use it for several days now, fixed a minor problem with gprs. lindi- tested it and it works for him.
Dec 28 12:28:06 <quickdev> DocScrutinizer, great find btw. :)
Dec 28 12:28:15 <dos1> morphis: new version of python-elementary?
Dec 28 12:28:20 <DocScrutinizer> quickdev: This Idea is cute, but gets us trouble and is useless anyway, as calypso has it's own ALC built in
Dec 28 12:29:54 <morphis> dos1: I have done many changes, but currently I can not compile, because I killed my dev computer 
Dec 28 12:30:04 <DocScrutinizer> quickdev: *IF* we use the Wolfson ALC, we neede to care about noise gate. And we can't use noise-GATE the way we needed it. We only could limit maxgain
Dec 28 12:30:05 <morphis> so currently I have no environment to test my changes
Dec 28 12:30:09 <quickdev> DocScrutinizer, have you tested that it fixes echo?
Dec 28 12:30:19 <PaulFertser_> mickeyl: Oh, and one more, while you're at it. There're reports that %Nxxxx commands are effective only till one incoming call, and one has to re-issue it. So, the documentation you added is great, but still incomplete.
Dec 28 12:30:32 <morphis> but I am currently on the way to compile everything I need for that :)
Dec 28 12:30:47 <morphis> I think this evening there will be a new version on svn
Dec 28 12:31:04 <bumbl> dos1: wouldn't it be simpler to use a dropdown box for this one? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/3074dba1f2009d71c20c8a4630d3023d.png
Dec 28 12:31:06 <DocScrutinizer> nah, tested nothing yet. As again echo is a very CND issue. Providers implement echo-cancellation
Dec 28 12:31:21 <BluesLee> PaulFertser_: i use http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/036068.html since a week and it seems to do a good job
Dec 28 12:31:22 <DocScrutinizer> which sometimes is crap, sometimes fails
Dec 28 12:31:35 <dos1> morphis: ok :) when you compile it, please check chajged event in Toggle
Dec 28 12:31:54 <dos1> morphis: in actual version it doesn't work
Dec 28 12:32:03 <morphis> dos1: ok, I will check
Dec 28 12:32:15 <DocScrutinizer> quickdev: AT%N0175 (err the like) is supposed to fix echo issue
Dec 28 12:32:17 <PaulFertser_> BluesLee: tell that to mickeyl as he's reluctant to add %N anywhere except channel init.
Dec 28 12:32:22 <morphis> dos1: I have seen you currently work on a shr-settings app with python-elementary
Dec 28 12:32:33 <dos1> bumbl: yes, if only new version of python-elementary will have dropdown box i will use it
Dec 28 12:32:50 <DocScrutinizer> as it probably enables noisegate and echo-cancelation inside calypso
Dec 28 12:33:10 <dos1> morphis: yes, with guys from #openmoko.pl
Dec 28 12:33:19 <morphis> cool
Dec 28 12:33:24 <raster> elementary has a hoversel
Dec 28 12:33:37 <raster> for this stuff
Dec 28 12:33:45 <DocScrutinizer> quickdev: we kill this by using another ALC in front of it
Dec 28 12:33:46 <BluesLee> Hire: can you email me your icons in a tgz file?
Dec 28 12:33:52 <raster> still need to do the list +listitem
Dec 28 12:34:05 <raster> doing a inwin (window inside a window thing)
Dec 28 12:34:20 <raster> for inlined "dialogs" and things you want to "pop up" in the cetner of the window
Dec 28 12:34:40 <Hire> http://hiretto.altervista.org/base.tar
Dec 28 12:34:54 <DocScrutinizer> quickdev: I'm not here to fix echo, I'm just spotting faults that will spoil echo correct behaviour
Dec 28 12:35:20 <BluesLee> Hire: thats only the base
Dec 28 12:35:30 <DocScrutinizer> quickdev: the "fix" is simply to avoid all those flaws
Dec 28 12:35:47 <Hire> :/
Dec 28 12:35:54 <DocScrutinizer> quickdev: pus maybe something more on top of it
Dec 28 12:35:55 <Hire> you can download those from git
Dec 28 12:36:05 <DocScrutinizer> s/pus/plus/
Dec 28 12:36:05 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer meant: quickdev: plus maybe something more on top of it
Dec 28 12:39:13 <quickdev> DocScrutinizer, might that has something to do with buzzing? (although it's on the other end of the call)
Dec 28 12:39:22 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: i only tested that normal gprs works, i did not do any stress testing with large phonebooks
Dec 28 12:39:31 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: and tested that i can receive a call while using gprs
Dec 28 12:40:24 <PaulFertser_> lindi-: so did i. And quickdev tested that downloading large phonebooks works. As only he had this problem.
Dec 28 12:40:32 <lindi-> PaulFertser_: ok
Dec 28 12:40:39 <DocScrutinizer2> quickdev: buzz is pushed thru calypso noisegate if we level it up to max during no-voice-periods
Dec 28 12:41:33 <quickdev> DocScrutinizer2, level what up? wolfson ALC?
Dec 28 12:41:50 <DocScrutinizer2> quickdev: though buzz louder than voice can't be cured a single dB by any alsa/wolfson setting
Dec 28 12:42:02 <mickeyl> sorry, i'm not yet convinced that we need to issue it on every call
Dec 28 12:42:03 <DocScrutinizer2> quickdev: yup
Dec 28 12:42:09 <mickeyl> and I'll wait until i get more positive reports
Dec 28 12:42:14 <mickeyl> or a definite answer from Dieter Spaar
Dec 28 12:43:11 <quickdev> DocScrutinizer, is buzzing getting less serious when disabled wolfsons ALC?
Dec 28 12:43:19 <dos1> mickeyl: i tested it some time ago and i was manually using AT%N0187 - it works only for one voicecall
Dec 28 12:43:49 <DocScrutinizer2> quickdev: nope. as i told one line above, it cant
Dec 28 12:44:21 <quickdev> yeah, right :)
Dec 28 12:44:25 <dos1> mickeyl: and i was sending it to modem while call is active - echo was gone immediately
Dec 28 12:44:48 <quickdev> dos1, interesting :)
Dec 28 12:44:52 <PaulFertser_> mickeyl: and yet you closed the ticket ;)
Dec 28 12:45:07 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: yup! great
Dec 28 12:45:17 <dos1> mickeyl, quickdev: but on next call echo was again
Dec 28 12:45:35 <dos1> until i send this command again
Dec 28 12:46:09 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: that's all we need tto know i'd say
Dec 28 12:46:18 <DocScrutinizer2> mickeyl: no?
Dec 28 12:47:00 <mickeyl> mmh
Dec 28 12:47:07 <dos1> my girlfriend can confirm that ;D
Dec 28 12:47:09 <mickeyl> heh
Dec 28 12:47:13 <mickeyl> oh, then...
Dec 28 12:47:21 <BluesLee> raster: incredible, one single icon can cause a 15% cpu difference:-)
Dec 28 12:47:32 <BluesLee> my girlfriend also
Dec 28 12:47:44 <mickeyl> ok, girlfriend voting day
Dec 28 12:47:51 <mickeyl> 2 out of 2 girlfriends like 0187
Dec 28 12:47:52 <BluesLee> girlfreinds united
Dec 28 12:47:59 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: could you check micmux-control of your gsmhs.state?
Dec 28 12:48:27 <dos1> DocScrutinizer2: ok, give me one moment
Dec 28 12:48:33 <DocScrutinizer2> np
Dec 28 12:48:42 <mickeyl> i still don't know _what_ resets it
Dec 28 12:48:45 <mickeyl> is it the hangup?
Dec 28 12:48:48 <DocScrutinizer2> just out of curiousity
Dec 28 12:48:51 <mickeyl> a network change?
Dec 28 12:48:57 <mickeyl> until i don't know that, I'm very reluctant
Dec 28 12:49:10 <mickeyl> what happens if you don't answer the call? 
Dec 28 12:49:18 <mickeyl> what happens if you park the call?
Dec 28 12:49:18 <dos1> mickeyl: hangup or beginning of call
Dec 28 12:49:20 <mickeyl> ...
Dec 28 12:49:21 <DocScrutinizer2> mickeyl: session end?
Dec 28 12:49:37 <dos1> i think hangup
Dec 28 12:49:39 <PaulFertser_> mickeyl: That's exactly what i wrote in that ticket. We should know exactly what resets it, i agree.
Dec 28 12:49:48 <DocScrutinizer2> dos1: obviously not call start
Dec 28 12:49:56 <mickeyl> ya, not call start
Dec 28 12:50:01 <dos1> yep
Dec 28 12:50:01 <mickeyl> otherwise it would have no effect in init
Dec 28 12:50:04 <DocScrutinizer2> as u can set it prior to call
Dec 28 12:50:57 <dos1> yes, agree
Dec 28 12:51:10 <DocScrutinizer2> mickeyl: there should be a certain moment when user audio tables are loaded again
Dec 28 12:51:31 <mickeyl> likely
Dec 28 12:51:36 <DocScrutinizer2> prolly %N is reset same moment
Dec 28 12:51:41 <mickeyl> will you bump into Dieter today?
Dec 28 12:52:04 <DocScrutinizer2> nope, won't make it to Berlin today
Dec 28 12:52:11 <DocScrutinizer2> :-(
Dec 28 12:52:59 <DocScrutinizer2> too burnt out, too much to do since I'm back since tuesday
Dec 28 12:53:08 <mickeyl> for OM?
Dec 28 12:53:44 <DocScrutinizer2> yup, OM plus other things like find me clothes for D-winter
Dec 28 12:54:00 <quickdev> hehe :)
Dec 28 12:54:14 <DocScrutinizer2> u know, my things incinerated in April
Dec 28 12:54:57 <raster> pants-on
Dec 28 12:55:39 <DocScrutinizer2> first <0° day since then, to find I miss warm things 
Dec 28 12:55:56 <DocScrutinizer2> s/things/clothes/
Dec 28 12:55:56 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer2 meant: first <0° day since then, to find I miss warm clothes 
Dec 28 12:56:35 <BluesLee> why doesnt this bot cirrect mea
Dec 28 12:56:39 <BluesLee> s/mea/me/
Dec 28 12:56:40 <bzzbot> BluesLee meant: why doesnt this bot cirrect me
Dec 28 12:56:43 <BluesLee> hey!
Dec 28 12:56:55 <BluesLee> s/cirrect/correct/
Dec 28 12:57:06 <BluesLee> hmm
Dec 28 12:57:56 <DocScrutinizer2> eee
Dec 28 12:58:16 <DocScrutinizer2> s/eee/aaa xxx/
Dec 28 12:58:16 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer2 meant: aaa xxx
Dec 28 12:58:27 <DocScrutinizer2> s/xxx/yyy/
Dec 28 12:59:11 <mickey|away> <mickeyl> k, reopened #253
Dec 28 12:59:11 <mickey|away> <mickeyl> going to catch the train to Berlin now
Dec 28 12:59:11 <mickey|away> <mickeyl> l8er
Dec 28 12:59:26 <DocScrutinizer2> cya
Dec 28 13:03:39 <DocScrutinizer2> will try to get a plane or train later, to be there tonight or tomorrow at very least
Dec 28 13:07:14 <BluesLee> stones are rolling fast these days
Dec 28 13:17:19 <bumbl> hi mirko
Dec 28 13:45:05 <dos1> morphis: what about python-elementary? have you compiled it? ;)
Dec 28 13:45:51 <morphis> dos1: no, the last hour I was eating with my family :)
Dec 28 13:46:06 <morphis> but I have fixed the toggle-changed bug
Dec 28 13:46:17 <morphis> it was only a typo
Dec 28 13:52:25 <bumbl> wb
Dec 28 14:05:25 <dos1> morphis: your new sources are available somewhere?
Dec 28 14:07:16 <dos1> s/your new sources are/are your new sources/
Dec 28 14:07:16 <bzzbot> dos1 meant: morphis: are your new sources available somewhere?
Dec 28 14:07:49 <morphis> only on my pc atm
Dec 28 14:08:04 <morphis> but I will commit them in the next hour
Dec 28 14:08:42 <dos1> morphis: on linuxtogo svn or somewhere else?
Dec 28 14:09:26 <morphis> on linuxtogo
Dec 28 14:09:43 <morphis> currently I have no answer from raster after I send him my developer-data
Dec 28 14:09:54 <dos1> morphis: ok
Dec 28 14:19:46 <dos1> morphis: so we're waiting :)
Dec 28 14:20:14 <bumbl> hehe yes me too
Dec 28 14:20:19 <bumbl> although i have time
Dec 28 14:20:41 <bumbl> I am just rewriting omoney to look better
Dec 28 14:20:47 <morphis> currently I have many errors when compiling :)
Dec 28 14:21:18 <bumbl> s/look/make the code look/
Dec 28 14:21:19 <bzzbot> bumbl meant: I am just rewriting omoney to make the code look better
Dec 28 14:21:27 <dos1> morphis: we believe in you ;]
Dec 28 14:21:34 <morphis> thx :P
Dec 28 14:28:20 <morphis> so I am recompiling all python e-libs
Dec 28 14:45:15 <morphis> I am stupid
Dec 28 14:45:50 <bumbl> nah you aren't
Dec 28 14:46:24 <dos1> morphis: what did you do? ;]
Dec 28 14:47:30 <morphis> nothing :-)
Dec 28 14:47:53 <BluesLee2> who works on a new kbd? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/557e2a4cad94c05b7f324f23a1b729f4.png
Dec 28 14:48:10 <dos1> BluesLee2: it's not new, it's old
Dec 28 14:48:13 <dos1> from 2007.1 ;D
Dec 28 14:48:23 <dos1> morphis: so why are you stupid? :]
Dec 28 14:48:26 <BluesLee2> dos1: can you change it?
Dec 28 14:48:38 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: hi! forgot my tabacco at your home, didn't I ?
Dec 28 14:48:43 <dos1> BluesLee2: change? you mean illume settings?
Dec 28 14:49:06 <quickdev> Ainulindale, could you help me with bitbake? gconf-dbus_svn.bb failed (do_compile)
Dec 28 14:49:12 <BluesLee2> dos1: it would be better to have the A a 1 & ... at the bottom
Dec 28 14:49:27 <dos1> BluesLee2: i only installed it from ipk
Dec 28 14:49:32 <BluesLee2> dos1: so that we have more space on the main lines 
Dec 28 14:49:39 <BluesLee2> where is this ipk?
Dec 28 14:49:50 <dos1> BluesLee2: on angstrom unstable repo
Dec 28 14:49:56 <BluesLee2> okay
Dec 28 14:50:02 <BluesLee2> called?
Dec 28 14:51:04 <bumbl> ah good old 2007.1 ... openmoko looked quite good back then
Dec 28 14:51:58 <BluesLee2> illume kbds on aengstrom feed?
Dec 28 14:52:16 <dos1> BluesLee2: it's called openmoko-keyboard
Dec 28 14:54:15 <ptitjes> oh guys that's a so hard day! Ainulindale's beer put me down...
Dec 28 14:56:30 <quickdev> ptitjes, double beer / brown ale? ;)
Dec 28 14:57:08 <quickdev> Flyser|berlin, gerade aufgestanden?
Dec 28 14:57:31 <bumbl> ptitjes: and did ainu cook well? :p
Dec 28 14:57:59 <Flyser|berlin> quickdev: ne, ich renn nur immer von LAN dose zu LAN dose :-)
Dec 28 14:58:03 <BluesLee2> is minimo in the shr feeds?
Dec 28 14:58:16 <BluesLee2> wiki links to a tar file
Dec 28 14:58:19 <ptitjes> quickdev: lots of different beers - he made me taste ones I didn't know (maybe hopefully...)
Dec 28 14:58:36 <quickdev> hehe :)
Dec 28 15:01:14 <ptitjes> bumbl: And yes he cooks very well (though I hope he won't be too much angry when he'll know that all did not stay in my stomach...)
Dec 28 15:01:34 <ptitjes> no comment
Dec 28 15:01:35 <BluesLee2> oops
Dec 28 15:02:25 <ptitjes> Anyway the talk was very interesting
Dec 28 15:04:31 <quickdev> ptitjes, did you drink that much? hehe ;)
Dec 28 15:04:40 <quickdev> ptitjes, what did you talk about?
Dec 28 15:05:09 <dos1> replacing opimd/oeventsd?
Dec 28 15:05:31 <dos1> something like that ;d
Dec 28 15:06:04 <ptitjes> something like that yeah
Dec 28 15:09:20 <quickdev> Flyser|berlin, no wlan connection this year?!
Dec 28 15:09:34 <bumbl> quickdev: there is wlan
Dec 28 15:10:47 <ptitjes> quickdev: I'm affraid I'm not in a good state to talk about all this...
Dec 28 15:10:59 <bumbl> haha
Dec 28 15:11:05 <ptitjes> I'll give you more informations when I'll be better
Dec 28 15:11:10 <morphis> so everything works fine
Dec 28 15:11:52 <dos1> morphis: you mean python-elementary?
Dec 28 15:11:57 <bumbl> did he get you sloshed?
Dec 28 15:12:08 <morphis> dos1: jep, i mean
Dec 28 15:12:15 <dos1> morphis: \o/
Dec 28 15:12:15 <dos1> :D
Dec 28 15:12:21 <bumbl> morphis: committed?
Dec 28 15:13:02 <ptitjes> quickdev: Did you see the mail of Joachim Breitner on shr-devel ?
Dec 28 15:13:17 <dos1> the most longed for app this year: new version of python-elementary ;D
Dec 28 15:13:20 <morphis> bumbl: in the next minutes I will
Dec 28 15:13:24 <morphis> I just cleanup
Dec 28 15:13:35 <dos1> morphis: ok ;]
Dec 28 15:14:53 <quickdev> ptitjes, which one?
Dec 28 15:15:15 <bumbl> makefile changes
Dec 28 15:15:50 <quickdev> ah, yeah
Dec 28 15:15:52 <quickdev> just found it
Dec 28 15:18:38 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r328 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (21 files in 5 dirs): 
Dec 28 15:18:38 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: Many new stuff
Dec 28 15:18:38 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: - new widgets
Dec 28 15:18:38 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: - documentation
Dec 28 15:18:38 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: - testing
Dec 28 15:18:45 <morphis> so commit is done :)
Dec 28 15:18:47 <morphis> have fun
Dec 28 15:19:27 <dos1> quickdev: compile it! compile it! :DD
Dec 28 15:19:35 <dos1> to shr-unstable
Dec 28 15:19:35 <dos1> ;]
Dec 28 15:19:46 <morphis> I hope everything works fine 
Dec 28 15:20:02 <morphis> dos1: is there already a package for the new shr-settings?
Dec 28 15:20:12 <dos1> morphis: package no
Dec 28 15:20:25 <bumbl> mrmoku: ping
Dec 28 15:20:34 <bumbl> python-elementary revbumb
Dec 28 15:20:46 <bumbl> -b + p
Dec 28 15:20:51 <dos1> morphis: it actually lacks makefile etc.
Dec 28 15:21:00 <morphis> dos1: ok
Dec 28 15:21:19 <quickdev> bumbl, I can set shr-unstable's elementary to AUTOREV
Dec 28 15:21:42 <dos1> morphis: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/svn/trunk/shr-settings/
Dec 28 15:22:06 <morphis> jo
Dec 28 15:22:10 <quickdev> morphis, what do you think? Are your commits breaking builds often? If not, should I set autorev?
Dec 28 15:22:12 <morphis> I will try it
Dec 28 15:22:36 <morphis> quickdev: I think I can take care of that the commits not breaking the build
Dec 28 15:23:46 <dos1> quickdev: tell us, when new python-elementary are in repo :]
Dec 28 15:23:57 <quickdev> ok, it's not fatal if elementary's build is broken as it is shr-unstable, but I think your package is interesting for many users, including me :)
Dec 28 15:24:06 <quickdev> I'm going to bump it up
Dec 28 15:24:14 <morphis> fine
Dec 28 15:27:41 <bumbl> morphis: do the test{,2,3}.py work for you?
Dec 28 15:29:16 <bumbl> http://rafb.net/p/ZMrT9Z80.html
Dec 28 15:30:18 <morphis> AttributeError: 'elementary.c_elementary.Window' object has no attribute '_print_debug_infos'
Dec 28 15:30:25 <morphis> I get
Dec 28 15:30:41 <morphis> I will fix it
Dec 28 15:31:35 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03w-fso 07zhone * rcf48d98b8e99 10/src/zhone: 
Dec 28 15:31:35 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: Enhance the display of GPS data in zhone:
Dec 28 15:31:35 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: - the left page shows GPS time, fix status, course, speed and climb rate too
Dec 28 15:31:35 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: - the middle page shows its data in a tabular form which is much easier to read and comprehend
Dec 28 15:31:39 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: - the right page shows satellites with elevation 90 in the middle of the sky instead of at the horizon
Dec 28 15:33:25 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r329 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (elementary/__init__.py tests/test.py): Fix IdentationError and missing function call
Dec 28 15:33:28 <morphis> so, rev 329 sould work
Dec 28 15:35:49 <bumbl> what enlightenment rev did you use for testing?
Dec 28 15:37:16 <morphis> puh
Dec 28 15:37:18 <bumbl> http://rafb.net/p/KH6Hbp76.html
Dec 28 15:37:25 <morphis> I currently use the package from archlinux aur
Dec 28 15:37:32 * bumbl ducks and hides
Dec 28 15:37:38 <quickdev> morphis, I slightly need to change python-elementary's recipe. SRCREV shouldn't be in it
Dec 28 15:38:16 <morphis> bumbl: e-svn 38100
Dec 28 15:38:26 <quickdev> -PV = "0.1.0+svnr${SRCREV}"
Dec 28 15:38:26 <quickdev> +PV = "0.1.0"
Dec 28 15:38:32 <quickdev> -SRC_URI = "svn://projects.linuxtogo.org/svn/smartphones/trunk;module=python-elementary;proto=svn;rev=${SRCREV}"
Dec 28 15:38:32 <quickdev> +SRC_URI = "svn://projects.linuxtogo.org/svn/smartphones/trunk;module=python-elementary;proto=svn"
Dec 28 15:38:32 <morphis> quickdev ok
Dec 28 15:38:37 <quickdev> morphis, fine with that changes?
Dec 28 15:38:41 <morphis> aye
Dec 28 15:39:47 <bumbl> morphis: http://rafb.net/p/KH6Hbp76.html
Dec 28 15:40:26 <morphis> which version of elementary you have installed?
Dec 28 15:40:32 <morphis> you need the current version
Dec 28 15:40:46 <morphis> quickdev: which version of elementary you have in shr?
Dec 28 15:41:43 <dos1> morphis: i have installed 38274 from shr-unstable
Dec 28 15:41:57 <morphis> dos1: it works?
Dec 28 15:42:25 <dos1> morphis: python-elementary or c elementary?
Dec 28 15:42:36 <morphis> py-elementary
Dec 28 15:42:52 <bumbl> hmm wait a momement - i have an error in my desktop e17 update script
Dec 28 15:42:58 <morphis> ok
Dec 28 15:43:01 <bumbl> which prevents elm from upgrading
Dec 28 15:43:11 <dos1> morphis: i don't know yet, i'm waiting for package in repo
Dec 28 15:43:16 <morphis> I am away for 15 minutes
Dec 28 15:43:20 <morphis> dos1: ok
Dec 28 15:43:32 <dos1> quickdev: how it's package going?
Dec 28 15:43:35 <quickdev> morphis, 329
Dec 28 15:43:41 <quickdev> package is ready (unstable)
Dec 28 15:43:47 <quickdev> opkg update ;  opkg upgrade
Dec 28 15:45:17 <BluesLee> quickdev: i am on testing, whats the name of the package?
Dec 28 15:45:44 <Ainulindale> quickdev: Yeah, he drank that much
Dec 28 15:45:48 <Ainulindale> And me too unfortunately
Dec 28 15:46:54 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I set python-elementary to AUTOREV. Any doubts?
Dec 28 15:47:04 <Ainulindale> Yeah.
Dec 28 15:47:06 <quickdev> s/doubts/objections/
Dec 28 15:47:06 <bzzbot> quickdev meant: Ainulindale, I set python-elementary to AUTOREV. Any objections?
Dec 28 15:47:08 <Ainulindale> It depends on EFL_SRCREV
Dec 28 15:47:14 <Ainulindale> And we won't put it to AUTOREV.
Dec 28 15:47:55 <quickdev> morphis, are you developing with SHR's EFL_SRCREV ?
Dec 28 15:48:22 <quickdev> python-elementary should be moved to E's git
Dec 28 15:48:29 <quickdev> s/git/svn/
Dec 28 15:48:29 <bzzbot> quickdev meant: python-elementary should be moved to E's svn
Dec 28 15:48:53 <dos1> quickdev: i don't have it in opkg upgrade
Dec 28 15:49:04 <quickdev> dos1, have you installed it yet?
Dec 28 15:49:07 <Ainulindale> s/to AUTOREV/with too many sed, quickdev/
Dec 28 15:49:08 <bzzbot> Ainulindale meant: And we won't put it with too many sed, quickdev.
Dec 28 15:49:10 <nomeata> Hi SHR guys. I’m still working on the Debian packages. After libframeworkd-phonegui and ophonekitd, what is next to get something usable?
Dec 28 15:49:14 <Ainulindale> :->
Dec 28 15:49:16 <dos1> quickdev: no
Dec 28 15:49:32 <Ainulindale> nomeata: libframeworkd-glib-efl
Dec 28 15:49:43 <Ainulindale> err
Dec 28 15:49:45 <quickdev> Ainulindale, have you seen nomeatas patches?
Dec 28 15:49:46 <Ainulindale> libframeworkd-phonegui-efl
Dec 28 15:49:54 <nomeata> Ainulindale: right, got that as well
Dec 28 15:49:55 <Ainulindale> which patches?
Dec 28 15:50:15 <quickdev> look at the ML: "automake patches"
Dec 28 15:50:16 <dos1> quickdev: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/ - it's not here
Dec 28 15:50:43 <BluesLee> and not in the other dirs ...
Dec 28 15:50:44 <dos1> nomeata: libframework-glib?
Dec 28 15:50:53 <nomeata> dos1: got that as well :-)
Dec 28 15:50:55 <dos1> phonelog
Dec 28 15:51:00 <nomeata> is neod required?
Dec 28 15:51:04 <Ainulindale> No
Dec 28 15:51:08 <dos1> nomeata: no, neod is from 2007.2
Dec 28 15:51:09 <nomeata> ok
Dec 28 15:51:26 <nomeata> so I do openmoko-dialer3, I guess?
Dec 28 15:51:56 <BluesLee> when will the new libframeworkd-phonegui-efl make it to testing?
Dec 28 15:52:21 <dos1> openmoko-dialer3, openmoko-contacts3, openmoko-messages3
Dec 28 15:52:24 <nomeata> And can I just take the current git revision from everything, or will there be incompatibilities?
Dec 28 15:52:33 <nomeata> Can one use only -dialer, without having the rest?
Dec 28 15:52:37 <mrmoku> bumbl: pong
Dec 28 15:54:06 <dos1> quickdev: hmm.. so where is python-elementary package? ;]
Dec 28 15:54:09 <BluesLee> i get a failed to download
Dec 28 15:54:12 <quickdev> dos1, one moment
Dec 28 15:54:13 <BluesLee> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/python-elementary_0.1.0-r0_armv4t.ipk
Dec 28 15:54:19 <dos1> on shr-unstable is only rev 325
Dec 28 15:54:23 <bumbl> mrmoku: too late
Dec 28 15:54:25 <dos1> quickdev: ok
Dec 28 15:54:36 <bumbl> quickdev was faster
Dec 28 15:59:22 <dos1> ok, it upgrades
Dec 28 15:59:32 <dos1> quickdev: thanks ;]
Dec 28 15:59:53 <PaulFertser> quickdev: Who's actually working on FSO except mickey and alphaone? Who can finally solve communication with the modem? To make it clean and consistent? WTF it tries to send +CMGL=2 _before_ it assumes the modem is unsuspended? 
Dec 28 16:00:20 <dos1> shr-settings still works
Dec 28 16:00:29 <dos1> morphis: thanks ;D
Dec 28 16:01:19 <BluesLee> it installs a lot packages
Dec 28 16:02:31 <BluesLee> it installs 100s of packages, hmmm
Dec 28 16:02:41 <morphis> so I am back
Dec 28 16:03:32 <dos1> BluesLee: have you testing or unstable?
Dec 28 16:03:52 <BluesLee> i have testing and installed it via opkg install url
Dec 28 16:03:58 <BluesLee> bad idea?
Dec 28 16:04:51 <jonkristian> is unstabled updated? since people are talking about it?
Dec 28 16:05:09 <jonkristian> s/unstabled/shr-unstable/
Dec 28 16:05:10 <bzzbot> jonkristian meant: is shr-unstable updated? since people are talking about it?
Dec 28 16:07:18 <mw|> mwester: bzzbot is one of your experiments?
Dec 28 16:07:20 <jonkristian> Downloading http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//om-gta02/Packages.gz <- is the doulbe // correct? after ipk there.
Dec 28 16:07:40 <mw|> jonkristian: double / are probably just ignored
Dec 28 16:07:54 <morphis> dos1: shr-settings works on my phone :)
Dec 28 16:08:57 <quickdev> jonkristian, could that be a problem?
Dec 28 16:10:59 <dos1> morphis: is elementary.Toolbar usable in python-elementary right now?
Dec 28 16:11:19 <morphis> dos1: you can create one, but nothing more
Dec 28 16:11:31 <morphis> I am currently implementing the left functions
Dec 28 16:11:56 <dos1> morphis: when will be that funcions in svn? ;)
Dec 28 16:11:56 <jonkristian> quickdev: ?
Dec 28 16:12:08 <quickdev> mh? :)
Dec 28 16:12:17 <morphis> maybe today :)
Dec 28 16:12:20 <jonkristian> quickdev: I haven't touched those repo files, just curious what other people have in theirs.
Dec 28 16:12:27 <quickdev> morphis, are you developing with EFL HEAD?
Dec 28 16:12:59 <quickdev> jonkristian, that double slash shouldn't be a problem - at least I don't see a problem
Dec 28 16:13:14 <quickdev> Ainulindale, here?
Dec 28 16:13:19 <Ainulindale> A bit
Dec 28 16:13:35 <jonkristian> quickdev: yeah, just seemed strange;)
Dec 28 16:13:55 <morphis> quickdev: currently I am using the packages from my distro (ArchLinux) 
Dec 28 16:14:18 <morphis> they build upon rv 38100
Dec 28 16:14:21 <quickdev> morphis, have you ever asked someone of the E team to migrate your package?
Dec 28 16:14:37 <morphis> what did you mean with migrate?
Dec 28 16:14:46 <morphis> import it into e-svn?
Dec 28 16:14:49 <quickdev> yes
Dec 28 16:14:53 <morphis> with raster
Dec 28 16:15:01 <quickdev> yeah, have you talked with him about it?
Dec 28 16:15:08 <morphis> I have sent raster my dev-infos and my id_rsa pub key
Dec 28 16:15:16 <quickdev> he is going to do that?
Dec 28 16:15:22 <morphis> but until now I don't have access 
Dec 28 16:16:11 <morphis> quickdev: I thought so
Dec 28 16:16:37 <quickdev> morphis, inform us as soon you have access :)
Dec 28 16:17:19 <morphis> I will do quickly as I can :)
Dec 28 16:18:35 <nomeata> Does openmoko3-dialer strictly need the ophonekitd?
Dec 28 16:19:10 <quickdev> nomeata, ophonekitd keeps the GSM service open
Dec 28 16:19:17 <quickdev> and openmoko3-dialer needs the GSM service
Dec 28 16:19:28 <quickdev> thus...yes
Dec 28 16:19:46 <nomeata> hmm. assuming zhone is running, could I then use the -dialer directly?
Dec 28 16:19:54 * nomeata is thinking about the package dependencies
Dec 28 16:20:02 <quickdev> however, openmoko3-dialer is just a module loader. Its functions are in libframeworkd-phonegui-efl.
Dec 28 16:21:38 <quickdev> nomeata, if zhone has registered GSM, then I guess that it would work
Dec 28 16:25:31 <PaulFertser> quickdev: Please, answer me. Is it true that actually only mickey|away works on ogsmd?
Dec 28 16:26:12 <PaulFertser> quickdev: i'm a bit frustrated. I'm tired of pasting (seemingly) meaningfull logs but nobody notices.
Dec 28 16:26:54 <quickdev> PaulFertser, sorry for not answering. Mickey and alphaone, yes. I don't know any other dev currently working on fso
Dec 28 16:27:02 <PaulFertser> quickdev: right now i see another log where modem interaction is really fucked up. And what should i do now?
Dec 28 16:27:47 <PaulFertser> quickdev: it's related to receiving an SMS right in time while my FR was suspending.
Dec 28 16:28:05 <PaulFertser> quickdev: and it shows that flowcontrol doesn't solve all the issues. 
Dec 28 16:28:19 <PaulFertser> quickdev: and it shows mis-interpreting the answers.
Dec 28 16:29:03 <PaulFertser> quickdev: I just don't understand, if mickey|away is the only one who's actually willing to fix bugs in this area, why is he busy with another tasks?
Dec 28 16:29:07 <quickdev> PaulFertser, you should talk with mickey|away about it, seriously. Additionally it's a good idea to open a ticket..
Dec 28 16:29:45 <nomeata> ok, openmoko-dialer3 package done and it git as well. I just don’t feel like building it for armel now :-(
Dec 28 16:29:58 <nomeata> especially because I have to build ~10 e packages first, then
Dec 28 16:30:16 <alphaone> oh, did someone break frameworkd?
Dec 28 16:30:24 <PaulFertser> alphaone: hey :)
Dec 28 16:30:28 <quickdev> PaulFertser, maybe alphaone can help you? :)
Dec 28 16:30:32 <dos1> morphis: how to check state of Toggle?
Dec 28 16:30:47 <PaulFertser> alphaone: i don't want to sound like a complainer but...
Dec 28 16:31:14 <PaulFertser> alphaone: Why it seems that nobody is actively working on fixing the interaction with gsm modem?
Dec 28 16:31:33 <morphis> dos1: good question
Dec 28 16:31:40 <PaulFertser> alphaone: why there's no new comments on #31? 
Dec 28 16:31:41 <morphis> elementary has a function state_pointer_set
Dec 28 16:31:57 <morphis> so you can set a pointer which always told you the state
Dec 28 16:32:04 <alphaone> PaulFertser: Maybe because it's between christmas and new year and we're busy following other projects at the moment
Dec 28 16:32:15 <PaulFertser> alphaone: what is the plan wrt fixing ogsmd. It doesn't seem to work well, and i'm afraid it's not because of bugs.
Dec 28 16:32:16 <morphis> I have a todo entry for python-elementary for this :)
Dec 28 16:32:57 <alphaone> PaulFertser: Because of what is it then?
Dec 28 16:33:07 <PaulFertser> alphaone: christmas? I can't imagine too many christian believers among free software hackers, actually. I just can't understand how is it different from any other day-off.
Dec 28 16:33:17 <alphaone> PaulFertser: I am using ogsmd on my FR as my day-to-day phone so it can't be too bad
Dec 28 16:34:01 <quickdev> PaulFertser, many free software hackers take the christmas time to relax some days ;) I mean completely :)
Dec 28 16:34:02 <PaulFertser> alphaone: i'm afraid it's because of lack of clear design (not sure, i might be wrong). 
Dec 28 16:34:17 <alphaone> PaulFertser: Well, it is a day off
Dec 28 16:34:35 <alphaone> I for my part am at the 25c3 hacking on a BTS
Dec 28 16:34:58 <PaulFertser> alphaone: Oh, that should be really cool. Good luck with that!
Dec 28 16:35:01 <alphaone> PaulFertser: Well, then understand an fix the code
Dec 28 16:35:12 <alphaone> Sorry, this sounds like random complaining to me at the moment
Dec 28 16:35:17 * PaulFertser wished he could be at 25c3 now...
Dec 28 16:35:30 <alphaone> And I'm quite happy not worrying about fso stuff at the moment.
Dec 28 16:35:32 <PaulFertser> alphaone: Yes, it sounds to me as such as well. ;)
Dec 28 16:35:44 <alphaone> After working on my seminar paper before...
Dec 28 16:35:49 * mwester wonders why people are so quick to dismiss legitimate major issues as "random complaining"
Dec 28 16:35:57 <PaulFertser> alphaone: but the facts are: #31 is investigated very-very slowly.
Dec 28 16:35:59 <alphaone> heh
Dec 28 16:36:11 <mwester> Is it a disease one gets from working with Openmoko-the-company?
Dec 28 16:36:19 <PaulFertser> alphaone: and it shows quite some major problems impacting stability.
Dec 28 16:36:30 <alphaone> mwester: Maybe I'm not following your legitimate issues close enough
Dec 28 16:36:42 <alphaone> And I won't start before the end of this year
Dec 28 16:36:49 <mwester> I think that's a more reasonable explanation.
Dec 28 16:36:52 <PaulFertser> mwester: :)
Dec 28 16:37:30 <mwester> And that's a fine explanation -- rather than dismissal of an issue.
Dec 28 16:38:32 <alphaone> trac.fso Bug#31?
Dec 28 16:39:12 <mwester> there remain two major issues that I see with ogsmd - how suspend/resume is handled, and the other one is that it is easily confused and cannot track responses in certain situations.  The two issues work together; suspend/resume create the necessary pre-conditions to easily trip up the parsing logic.
Dec 28 16:39:21 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r330 10/trunk/python-elementary/elementary/elementary.c_elementary.pyx: Add Toggle.state_get() to get the current state of a Toogle Widget
Dec 28 16:39:30 <morphis> dos1: check rev 330
Dec 28 16:39:51 <PaulFertser> mwester: something in Openmoko-the-company is wrong. I wish i knew that before. Is it life, Mike? Is it supposed to be always like that? TI is supposedly good with their git-tree, but screws us with calypso. QT is GPL'd and powers KDE and so on, but Nokia's pushing on software patents, etc... My life sucks.
Dec 28 16:41:18 <mwester> alphaone:  BTW, I *AM* trying to help on the bug#31 problem.  I have purchased a Python book, and resolve to learn python --- which is a rather major step, for a guy who has used Perl for a decade. ;-)
Dec 28 16:42:03 <alphaone> mwester: Whoa, that *is* a bi step :-)
Dec 28 16:42:03 <alphaone> Kudos
Dec 28 16:42:21 <PaulFertser> alphaone: and i just read python and see how it works. And i can't see how it could work reliably implemented as it is now.
Dec 28 16:42:34 <quickdev> mwester, great
Dec 28 16:43:04 <dos1> morphis: thanks ;)
Dec 28 16:43:05 <alphaone> But you have to understand that the current FSO team isn't that huge with one person working full-time and three part-time 
Dec 28 16:43:16 <morphis> dos1: no problem :)
Dec 28 16:43:22 <alphaone> PaulFertser: It is (in my experience) working reliable for me
Dec 28 16:43:58 <PaulFertser> alphaone: that's why we expect that the person working full time fixes the major issues first (stability) and adds new features (e.g. connection sharing) later.
Dec 28 16:44:11 <alphaone> Especially the time between Christmas and New Year (aka the Chaos Communication Congress time) where there are lots of other interesting projects as well
Dec 28 16:45:02 <dos1> quickdev: has python-elementary AUTOREV?
Dec 28 16:45:56 <PaulFertser> alphaone: sorry for mentioning the problems in the CCC time, i can understand it. A major event. But i hope that after the NY the FSO team will start with stability first, and enhancements later. mwester, what are you, as a SHR developer, waiting from FSO team?
Dec 28 16:46:01 <alphaone> PaulFertser: It's not as easy to fix this issue.
Dec 28 16:46:28 <alphaone> There's multiple layers involved, hw flow control as well, iirc.
Dec 28 16:46:39 <PaulFertser> True
Dec 28 16:46:50 <PaulFertser> Buggy calypso's hw flow control.
Dec 28 16:46:59 <alphaone> The whole resource logic is prone to races which sucks, yes
Dec 28 16:47:21 <alphaone> But tell me how to fix it properly or better - fix it properly and I won't complain
Dec 28 16:47:33 * mwester notes that hw flow control works perfectly, and it is the enabling of it that triggers the problem -- because when disabled, the lost data cannot trigger the confusion of the ogsmd parser.
Dec 28 16:47:54 <alphaone> But we need to sit down and think some more about where the current design sucks and what we need to change in order to fix it.
Dec 28 16:48:05 <PaulFertser> alphaone: I think mickey|away knows how to design the systems immune to races. I wish i knew, but i don't...
Dec 28 16:48:08 <alphaone> (And not introduce problems somewhere else)
Dec 28 16:48:35 <PaulFertser> alphaone: I like what you say. Is it going to happen before MS5?
Dec 28 16:48:51 <quickdev> dos1, yeah, but I'd have to build it again on the buildhost to provide the newest package
Dec 28 16:49:11 <alphaone> PaulFertser: No, I don't think so
Dec 28 16:49:24 <PaulFertser> Why?
Dec 28 16:49:29 <alphaone> If yes then MS5 will be delayed significantly :-)
Dec 28 16:49:42 <dos1> quickdev: so build it please :)
Dec 28 16:50:33 <alphaone> PaulFertser: Time
Dec 28 16:51:02 <PaulFertser> alphaone: IMHO it's better to delay it than to implement it wrong. I know about 90% working is ok and unix phylosophy etc. But. You are building the foundation. The foundation for the SHR, for the paroli, for some other cool programs. You ought to do it right. From the beginning.
Dec 28 16:51:44 <alphaone> PaulFertser: That's exactly why the redesign will take longer than MS5 is scheduled
Dec 28 16:52:11 <alphaone> But still we had to start somewhere.
Dec 28 16:52:19 <quickdev> dos1, done. Anyway, you should set up your own openembedded tree to build packages yourself :)
Dec 28 16:52:36 <PaulFertser> Change the schedule then. What milestones are good for if not for proper project-management?
Dec 28 16:52:49 <dos1> quickdev: yes, i know, i will do it, but later ;]
Dec 28 16:53:20 <alphaone> If we waited with MS1 until we thought every corner (and not so corner) case was handled satisfactorily it still wouldn't be out
Dec 28 16:53:33 <PaulFertser> alphaone: i'm being an ass, alphaone. Sorry. I didn't want to spoil your ccc fun. Let's talk about it later after the NY, when mickey|away will not be away.
Dec 28 16:53:40 <mwester> I'm certainly not going to tell the FSO team what their priorities are, but I do wonder if one of the members can comment on what would be more important at this point than making suspend/resume work?
Dec 28 16:53:42 <alphaone> And we wouldn't be as far as we're now because we wouldn't have any testers
Dec 28 16:57:30 <alphaone> PaulFertser: Well, we set goals for MS5. Sure we can reconsider. But suspend/resume itself is not on this list so it by itself is not a high priority for MS5
Dec 28 16:57:37 <alphaone> Not saying it shouldn't be
Dec 28 16:57:44 <alphaone> Just saying it isn't
Dec 28 16:58:28 <dos1> morphis: can you test state_get()? it's not working for me
Dec 28 16:58:45 <dos1> when i call state_get, toggle is setting to false and i get always False
Dec 28 16:59:11 <morphis> dos1: I will do
Dec 28 16:59:37 <PBeck> ahoi
Dec 28 17:00:16 <alphaone> Okay, going to hack more on my BS-11
Dec 28 17:08:32 <quickdev> Ainulindale, here?
Dec 28 17:08:44 <Hire> no
Dec 28 17:08:46 <Hire> he is sleeping
Dec 28 17:10:39 <quickdev> you mean he's trying to get dry? ;)
Dec 28 17:10:51 <morphis> dos1: it worked for me
Dec 28 17:10:58 <morphis> but sometimes not
Dec 28 17:11:05 <morphis> i will check this and commit tomorrow
Dec 28 17:12:01 <CIA-46> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r331 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (elementary/elementary.c_elementary.pyx tests/test.py):
Dec 28 17:12:51 <morphis> dos1: maybe the last commit fixes the problem
Dec 28 17:13:00 <morphis> so I am leaving
Dec 28 17:13:02 <morphis> byebye
Dec 28 17:13:39 <dos1> quickdev: i don't have oe tree right now, so... please :DDD
Dec 28 17:15:59 <quickdev> dos1, done in a few secs. Won't do it again today .)
Dec 28 17:16:01 <quickdev> :)
Dec 28 17:16:07 <quickdev> it's done
Dec 28 17:16:08 <quickdev> 331
Dec 28 17:16:35 <dos1> quickdev: thanks :D morphis is gone so i don't think it will be needed again ;]
Dec 28 17:16:44 <Ainulindale> Here now and then quickdev 
Dec 28 17:17:12 <quickdev> Ainulindale, git diff in buildhost/shr
Dec 28 17:17:20 <quickdev> -#do_testlab() {
Dec 28 17:17:20 <quickdev> -#      :
Dec 28 17:17:20 <quickdev> -#}
Dec 28 17:17:20 <quickdev> +do_testlab() {
Dec 28 17:17:20 <quickdev> +       :
Dec 28 17:17:21 <quickdev> +}
Dec 28 17:17:25 <quickdev> Ainulindale, that disables the testlab?
Dec 28 17:18:17 <quickdev> it's from shr-image.inc
Dec 28 17:19:18 <Ainulindale> yes
Dec 28 17:20:00 <quickdev> ok
Dec 28 17:21:06 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I'm committing the /etc/opkg/ stuff
Dec 28 17:22:00 <quickdev> Ainulindale, may I slightly change the SHR Makefile then?
Dec 28 17:22:00 <quickdev> DISTRO_FEED_PREFIX = "shr"
Dec 28 17:22:00 <quickdev> DISTRO_FEED_URI = "http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/"
Dec 28 17:22:47 <quickdev> I'd like to finish some commenced, but unfinished things
Dec 28 17:23:37 <quickdev> Ainulindale?
Dec 28 17:27:43 <quickdev> mrmoku, here?
Dec 28 17:37:39 <quickdev> dos1, is the new shr-settings based on elementary?
Dec 28 17:37:52 <dos1> quickdev: yes, on python-elementary
Dec 28 17:38:21 <quickdev> great - are you forking om-settings / current shr-settings or are you starting from scratch?
Dec 28 17:38:44 <dos1> quickdev: from scratch
Dec 28 17:38:54 <bumbl> quickdev: current shr-settings code is imo crap
Dec 28 17:39:04 <bumbl> starting from scratch is the better option
Dec 28 17:39:14 <quickdev> yeah, ok - any progress so far? ;)
Dec 28 17:39:32 <Hire> quickdev see scap linuxtogo
Dec 28 17:39:47 <quickdev> and btw....things should eventually go into illume, you agree?
Dec 28 17:40:37 <PBeck> bumbl: current shr-settings is a modified version of exposure for fso?
Dec 28 17:40:49 <bumbl> PBeck: yes
Dec 28 17:40:51 <dos1> quickdev: gsm antenna toggle and selecting network (operator) is working
Dec 28 17:40:53 <PBeck> bumbl: argh ^^
Dec 28 17:41:15 <dos1> quickdev: but selecting network needs rewriting to dbus - now it uses cli-framework
Dec 28 17:41:45 <dos1> on gsm module is working yoyo from #openmoko.pl
Dec 28 17:42:04 <quickdev> dos1, you agree that those things should eventually go into e? ;)
Dec 28 17:42:08 <PBeck> quickdev: hum is it important to integrate it into illume?
Dec 28 17:42:33 <PBeck> quickdev: i think its not for the graphic
Dec 28 17:42:51 <PBeck> quickdev: illume has his own settings - and openmoko itself shr-settings ;)
Dec 28 17:43:02 <Hire> quickdev: no, i prefer an app not integrated into illume
Dec 28 17:43:07 <bumbl> quickdev: well the easiest solution would be if raster would write a plugin architecture
Dec 28 17:43:08 <dos1> quickdev: eventually... but i don't know illume source. but personally i would afree with PBeck
Dec 28 17:43:12 <quickdev> the thing is: we don't want to have X setting applications in future. We'd like to have only one, if possible .)
Dec 28 17:43:15 <quickdev> :)
Dec 28 17:43:19 <Hire> it is better to have a separeted settings app
Dec 28 17:43:23 <bumbl> so that one could add e settings modules as plugins
Dec 28 17:43:37 <quickdev> there is already an E plugin architecture
Dec 28 17:43:38 <Hire> quickdev: you can remove illume-config
Dec 28 17:43:49 <bumbl> there is
Dec 28 17:43:51 <bumbl> ?
Dec 28 17:43:54 <Hire> and we mantain shr-settings
Dec 28 17:44:06 <bumbl> i know that there are modules
Dec 28 17:44:14 <PBeck> btw the illume-config will be usable with any new version :)
Dec 28 17:44:27 <Hire> maintain
Dec 28 17:44:27 <bumbl> but to me plugin architecture would mean that e.g. python modules are possible too
Dec 28 17:44:38 <PBeck> quickdev: but illume will be not the only window manager for openmoko
Dec 28 17:44:50 <quickdev> PBeck, right
Dec 28 17:45:16 <PBeck> quickdev: so its not very clever to integrate it into illume
Dec 28 17:45:20 <bumbl> PBeck: but it's the default window manager for shrr
Dec 28 17:45:35 <PBeck> bumbl: now :)
Dec 28 17:45:37 <bumbl> and there is no real alternative to illume
Dec 28 17:46:12 <dos1> matchbox? :x
Dec 28 17:46:30 <PBeck> bumbl: i think we should separate illume and shr-settings
Dec 28 17:46:45 <PBeck> bumbl: but thats only my opinion :)
Dec 28 17:47:11 <bumbl> well i think we should integrate
Dec 28 17:47:31 <bumbl> settings belong to settings
Dec 28 17:47:33 <Hire> leave dos1 worksss
Dec 28 17:47:36 <Hire> leave him aloneeeeeeeeee
Dec 28 17:47:44 * Hire slaps the chan
Dec 28 17:47:47 <dos1> :DDD
Dec 28 17:47:50 <bumbl> and there is imo no point to seperate it in the long term
Dec 28 17:48:00 <Hire> he is doing a good work
Dec 28 17:48:00 <bumbl> Hire: i think dos1's work is great
Dec 28 17:48:07 <PBeck> dos1: btw what you think => can we integrate a keybindingmanager for aux and power into shr-settings? So you can setting up popup menus for aux and power - apps to start and so on
Dec 28 17:48:12 <PBeck> *one
Dec 28 17:48:12 <quickdev> bumbl, there's a point. illume may not be q requirement
Dec 28 17:48:37 <Hire> bumbl: but I love dos1
Dec 28 17:48:43 <quickdev> PBeck, great idea
Dec 28 17:48:50 <Hire> if I was gay I wanno do sex with him
Dec 28 17:49:07 <quickdev> PBeck, but wait - that can already be configured in illume afaik (keybindings)
Dec 28 17:49:19 * dos1 hides...
Dec 28 17:49:37 <PBeck> quickdev: hum i think its a bit crazy with illume and keybindings :> see #neo1973-germany ;)
Dec 28 17:50:02 <quickdev> Ainulindale?
Dec 28 17:50:23 <PBeck> quickdev: i will discuss this tomorrow - perhaps dos1 needs help ;)
Dec 28 17:50:36 <PBeck> so i should go now - i go into a restaurant ;)
Dec 28 17:50:42 <PBeck> bye bye
Dec 28 17:50:58 <quickdev> PBeck, have fun ;)
Dec 28 17:51:52 <dos1> shr-settings has modules, so anyone can write keybindings plugin ;)
Dec 28 17:55:12 <bumbl> Hire: well i can't do anything about that point
Dec 28 17:55:56 <Hire> :(
Dec 28 18:16:14 <dos1> quickdev: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR - is this guide actual (i mean makefile etc.) to build shr oe tree?
Dec 28 18:16:59 <quickdev> dos1, good that you ask
Dec 28 18:17:09 <quickdev> one moment, let me check it
Dec 28 18:18:55 <quickdev> It uses the FSO makefile, not the SHR one.
Dec 28 18:19:21 <dos1> quickdev: so, where is SHR one?
Dec 28 18:22:04 <quickdev> dos1, I updated http://shr.bearstech.com/Makefile ( Ainulindale, mrmoku, that's ok, isn't it? )
Dec 28 18:22:16 <quickdev> dos1, now the wiki instructions should be fine
Dec 28 18:22:21 <quickdev> please inform us if they are not
Dec 28 18:22:28 <dos1> quickdev: ok
Dec 28 19:03:43 <dos1> quickdev: /bin/sh: ../shr/patches/do-patch: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied
Dec 28 19:06:53 <dos1> quickdev: even if i run "make setup" as root
Dec 28 19:09:02 <quickdev> dos1, /bin/bash is executable?
Dec 28 19:09:20 <dos1> quickdev: of course
Dec 28 19:09:34 <dos1> quickdev: -rwxr-xr-x
Dec 28 19:12:25 <dos1> quickdev: hmm, that's something with my system :x
Dec 28 19:17:02 <dos1>  /bin/sh doesn't work too... fuck
Dec 28 19:17:02 <quickdev> yeah, seems like that
Dec 28 19:18:14 <dos1> WTF
Dec 28 19:23:17 <dos1> hmm, partition is mounted with noexec
Dec 28 19:24:32 <dos1> quickdev: ok, now it works ;]
Dec 28 19:32:23 <Mortak> hi all
Dec 28 19:36:44 <dos1> now it want makeinfo, but i haven't it in debian repo
Dec 28 19:43:36 <dos1> ok, it was in texinfo package ^^"
Dec 28 19:43:48 <dos1> now it's bitbaking :)
Dec 28 19:53:54 <dos1> quickdev: why it have MACHINE           = "om-gta01" for default?
Dec 28 19:54:27 <dos1> in "OE Build Configuration:"
Dec 28 20:33:45 <mrmoku> bumbl: hey, do you have the omoney icon when just opkg installing it?
Dec 28 20:34:11 <bumbl> yes
Dec 28 20:34:22 <bumbl> you might restart X
Dec 28 20:34:24 <mrmoku> testing or unstable?
Dec 28 20:34:30 <bumbl> no difference
Dec 28 20:34:41 <bumbl> there is just a single omoney version out there
Dec 28 20:34:48 <dos1> why bitbake is downloading linux-2.6.22?
Dec 28 20:34:53 <mrmoku> bumbl: I ment SHR :-)
Dec 28 20:35:05 <mrmoku> might be a difference in e
Dec 28 20:35:19 <bumbl> well I had one back with testing
Dec 28 20:35:28 <bumbl> and i have one with unstable
Dec 28 20:35:32 <booxter> dos1, maybe linux-headers?
Dec 28 20:36:02 <dos1> booxter: it downloads http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/linux-2.6.22.tar.bz2
Dec 28 20:36:17 <mrmoku> bumbl: ahh, ok if the path to the icon is not absolute x needs to be restarted
Dec 28 20:36:27 <mrmoku> if it is absolute e picks it up immediately
Dec 28 20:36:52 <mrmoku> bumbl: all fine then :-)
Dec 28 20:37:11 <booxter> dos1, no matter. It can download it for linux-headers extraction
Dec 28 20:37:46 <bumbl> ah
Dec 28 20:38:14 <bumbl> I said you might have to restart x
Dec 28 20:38:20 <bumbl> sometimes it works without
Dec 28 20:38:31 <mrmoku> bumbl: yep, and I tried it immediately :-)
Dec 28 20:38:49 <mrmoku> just prior to asking I stuffed in the absolute path to the icon and it popped up
Dec 28 20:39:18 <bumbl> but if it works always with an absolute path I will change the .desktop entry to absolute
Dec 28 20:39:49 <bumbl> hmm
Dec 28 20:39:51 <mrmoku> bumbl: at least it picks it up immediately...
Dec 28 20:40:13 <bumbl> elementary won't compile on my desktop
Dec 28 20:40:13 * mrmoku thinks that might be something e should be improoved on ;)
Dec 28 20:45:13 <bumbl> TAsn: seems as if there would be no peace sooon
Dec 28 20:45:31 <TAsn> bumbl, ;\
Dec 28 20:46:42 <BluesLee> TAsn: hey, i wrote something down,  only some lines http://pastebin.ca/1294980
Dec 28 20:48:49 <BluesLee> TAsn: be sure to check cpu consumption for enlightenment when modding themes
Dec 28 20:50:05 <TAsn> yeah.
Dec 28 20:51:36 <BluesLee> TAsn: i found some new images, only proprietary stuff, but nice;-)
Dec 28 20:52:09 <BluesLee> http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/79915-2.jpg
Dec 28 20:52:39 <TAsn> sweet!
Dec 28 20:53:08 <BluesLee> didnt checked if its good for the slipshelf
Dec 28 21:48:35 <quickdev> Ainulindale, here?
Dec 28 21:49:15 <bumbl> quickdev: do you have a fixed rev for elementeray?
Dec 28 21:49:27 <quickdev> what means "fixed"ß
Dec 28 21:49:37 <bumbl> autorev or not
Dec 28 21:49:51 <quickdev> autorev in shr-unstable, yes
Dec 28 21:51:01 <bumbl> hmm does it compile on the buildhost - on the desktop it does not compile because of ina_module_list_get() safety check failed: path == NULL
Dec 28 21:51:52 <quickdev> bumbl, it compiled on the buildhost, yes
Dec 28 21:52:03 <bumbl> hmm
Dec 28 21:55:37 <quickdev> mrmoku, here?
Dec 28 22:00:44 <mrmoku> quickdev: yep, here now
Dec 28 22:01:11 <root_at> hi. can anyone tell me plz if shr supports fltk for sure?
Dec 28 22:06:19 <dos1> bumbl: you mean elementary in c or python-elementary?
Dec 28 22:06:38 <bumbl> dos1: C
Dec 28 22:06:54 <bumbl> http://dpaste.com/103157/
Dec 28 22:06:59 <dos1> quickdev: we have autorev for elementary in C?
Dec 28 22:07:08 <dos1> s/we have/have we/
Dec 28 22:07:09 <bzzbot> dos1 meant: quickdev: have we autorev for elementary in C?
Dec 28 22:14:57 <dolf1074> quickdev: regarding the ogsmd_sim_store_entry function. Isn't it better to have also a ogsmd_sim_store_new_entry function?
Dec 28 22:24:59 <kd8ikt> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/
Dec 28 22:25:07 <kd8ikt> that a good kernel?
Dec 28 22:27:53 <mrmoku> quickdev: brb
Dec 28 22:38:49 <mrmoku> quickdev: back
Dec 28 22:46:14 <quickdev> mrmoku, still here? some minutes for me?
Dec 28 22:48:53 <mrmoku> quickdev: shoot :-)
Dec 28 22:49:07 <quickdev> mrmoku, you wrote the new shr makefile, right?
Dec 28 22:49:24 <mrmoku> modified the original one... yeah
Dec 28 22:50:00 <quickdev> mrmoku, till some hours ago, http://shr.bearstech.com/Makefile was the old makefile
Dec 28 22:50:03 <quickdev> was that intended
Dec 28 22:50:43 <mrmoku> quickdev: don't know... I think nobody switched the Makefile
Dec 28 22:51:06 <mrmoku> so not inteded, just not done :-)
Dec 28 22:51:20 <quickdev> mrmoku, ok - I changed it
Dec 28 22:51:29 <mrmoku> yep, read it
Dec 28 22:51:34 <quickdev> just wanted to make sure that I didn't destruct something
Dec 28 22:51:44 * mrmoku hopes not so :-)
Dec 28 22:52:09 <mrmoku> I'm using it and had no problems so far
Dec 28 22:52:20 <quickdev> yeah...just started compilation some hours ago, too
Dec 28 22:52:35 <quickdev> mrmoku, have you heard of shr-unstable-autorev.inc?
Dec 28 22:52:41 <mrmoku> yep
Dec 28 22:52:49 <quickdev> shouldn't that be included in the shr-unstable/conf/local.conf by default?
Dec 28 22:52:57 <yoyo> help plizz - framework api have bluetooth connection?
Dec 28 22:53:10 <mrmoku> quickdev: it should be... explicitely did that
Dec 28 22:53:42 <mrmoku> in 4a7e4fd3269c03511fb1424a96d2ee83a342c84a
Dec 28 22:54:25 <mrmoku> yoyo: not yet me thinks
Dec 28 22:55:05 <yoyo> mrmoku: thx 
Dec 28 22:55:13 <quickdev> mrmoku, could you verify that? I think it did not work for me
Dec 28 22:55:49 <mrmoku> quickdev: did you do make setup? because it is only done on initial setup
Dec 28 22:55:59 <quickdev> yeah, make setup
Dec 28 22:56:01 <quickdev> will run it again
Dec 28 22:56:04 <quickdev> in a new folder now
Dec 28 22:56:23 <mrmoku> quickdev: IIRC I tested it :-)
Dec 28 22:56:59 <yoyo> how can I turn on or off bluetooth ?
Dec 28 22:57:10 <yoyo> echo 1 > / to where ?
Dec 28 22:57:28 <mrmoku> quickdev: it want touch an existing local.conf... maybe you had one
Dec 28 22:57:54 <quickdev> mrmoku, I had not one. Now trying in an empty dir
Dec 28 22:57:56 <mrmoku> yoyo: what distro are you using?
Dec 28 22:58:03 <mrmoku> quickdev: ok
Dec 28 22:58:11 <yoyo> mrmoku: shr-unstable
Dec 28 22:59:10 <mrmoku> yoyo: so you can toggle bluetooth via the settings ap
Dec 28 22:59:12 <mrmoku> +p
Dec 28 22:59:51 <yoyo> mrmoku: hahaha 
Dec 28 23:00:01 <yoyo> mrmoku: /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gps.0/pwron is ok for gta01?
Dec 28 23:00:02 <quickdev> mrmoku, it's not working. Definetively ;)
Dec 28 23:00:28 <mrmoku> quickdev: trying myself now ;) (it was working I'm sure... :(
Dec 28 23:00:52 <quickdev> it's a very little bug...but let's fix it :)
Dec 28 23:01:37 <mrmoku> quickdev: are you using the Makefile from the buildhost? because that is not current me thinks
Dec 28 23:01:44 <mrmoku> I ripped out all fso- stuff
Dec 28 23:02:05 <yoyo> i't not funny; how can I turn on bt?
Dec 28 23:02:35 <mrmoku> yoyo: settings app does not work?
Dec 28 23:03:13 <yoyo> mrmoku: I can only toggle bluetooth on/off (ass app) hardware not respond
Dec 28 23:03:36 <mrmoku> yoyo: then I don't know, sorry
Dec 28 23:03:50 <mrmoku> quickdev: it definitely works... you are using old stuff ;)
Dec 28 23:04:16 <Dave> moku moku moku
Dec 28 23:04:36 <mrmoku> Dave: how's life Mr. Dave :p
Dec 28 23:04:54 <mrmoku> do the FR's behave nicely?
Dec 28 23:05:17 <quickdev> mrmoku, we're talking about shr-unstable/conf/local.conf, right?
Dec 28 23:05:20 <Dave> Well :)
Dec 28 23:05:25 <Dave> Mr. Moku, no they don't :P
Dec 28 23:05:26 <quickdev> I took the newest makefile of the shr-makefile.git
Dec 28 23:05:35 <Dave> it's unsurprisingly unstable ;)
Dec 28 23:05:38 <Dave> but looking much nicer :D
Dec 28 23:05:40 <quickdev> mrmoku, http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-makefile.git;a=blob_plain;f=Makefile;hb=HEAD
Dec 28 23:06:34 <mrmoku> quickdev: yep, that one is right... hmm, I just tested in an empty dir and the unstable local.conf has it included
Dec 28 23:09:12 <quickdev> mrmoku, maybe we have different shells?
Dec 28 23:09:39 <mrmoku> quickdev: hmm, what shell are you using?
Dec 28 23:10:26 <quickdev> mrmoku, just asking myself how to find out the current shell I'm using
Dec 28 23:10:49 <mrmoku> quickdev: echo $SHELL ?
Dec 28 23:11:03 <quickdev> mrmoku, bash, and youß
Dec 28 23:11:04 <quickdev> ?
Dec 28 23:11:10 <mrmoku> yep, bash... hmm
Dec 28 23:11:23 <jonkristian> mrmoku: env
Dec 28 23:11:29 <jonkristian> sorry, quickdev ...
Dec 28 23:11:40 <jonkristian> oh, nevermind, hehe
Dec 28 23:12:02 <quickdev> mrmoku, strange thing.
Dec 28 23:12:38 <mrmoku> quickdev: it's line 158 that should do it
Dec 28 23:13:19 <mrmoku> quickdev: what does your resulting local.conf look like?
Dec 28 23:14:23 <quickdev> http://rafb.net/p/nObqbY28.html
Dec 28 23:15:09 <mrmoku> quickdev: strange looks perfectly like mine... just the last line is missing
Dec 28 23:18:13 <quickdev> mrmoku, I did echo $* in the according line, it prints unstable instead of shr-unstable
Dec 28 23:18:52 <quickdev> hm..that's right
Dec 28 23:18:59 <quickdev> 		if [ "shr-unstable" == "shr-unstable" ] ; then echo "require conf/distro/include/shr-autorev-unstable.inc" >> shr-unstable/conf/local.conf ; fi ; \
Dec 28 23:19:46 <quickdev> [: 17: ==: unexpected operator
Dec 28 23:20:47 <quickdev> mrmoku, http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/comparison-ops.html
Dec 28 23:20:56 <quickdev> if [ "$a" -eq "$b" ]
Dec 28 23:21:59 <mrmoku> quickdev: just pushed a version with case instead of if... 
Dec 28 23:22:03 <mrmoku> trying now
Dec 28 23:23:35 <quickdev> mrmoku, working, great! :) thanks
Dec 28 23:24:01 <quickdev> mrmoku, another makefile thing (not a bug)
Dec 28 23:24:22 <quickdev> till now, we have used bearstech.conf provided in /etc/opkg/ as the SHR feed
Dec 28 23:24:37 <quickdev> this was unflexible for shr-testing and shr-unstable (two different feeds)
Dec 28 23:24:45 <quickdev> thus I searched for a better way
Dec 28 23:24:47 <quickdev> and found it
Dec 28 23:24:55 <quickdev> DISTRO_FEED_PREFIX = "shr"
Dec 28 23:24:55 <quickdev> DISTRO_FEED_URI = "http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/"
Dec 28 23:25:07 <quickdev> this needs to be added to the local.conf
Dec 28 23:25:25 <quickdev> notice, FEED_URI contains shr-unstable OR shr-testing
Dec 28 23:25:38 <quickdev> mrmoku, it should be added to the makefile or am I wrong? :)
Dec 28 23:25:54 <mrmoku> quickdev: yep saw that... will do (and you'r not wrong :-)
Dec 28 23:26:51 <sicu> hey folks =]
Dec 28 23:26:55 <quickdev> hey sicu 
Dec 28 23:27:03 <mrmoku> quickdev: local.conf or auto.conf?
Dec 28 23:27:12 <mrmoku> it would fit more in auto.conf me thinks
Dec 28 23:27:25 <quickdev> mrmoku, I don't know
Dec 28 23:27:48 <mrmoku> quickdev: auto.conf has other DISTRO_ stuff in it... so I would try it there?
Dec 28 23:27:58 <quickdev> mrmoku, yeah, ok
Dec 28 23:28:09 <quickdev> mrmoku, and there's stil another small improvement
Dec 28 23:28:20 <quickdev> as we're at it
Dec 28 23:29:21 <mrmoku> quickdev: fast, me has to work tommorow ;)
Dec 28 23:29:26 <mrmoku> -m
Dec 28 23:29:30 <mrmoku> +r
Dec 28 23:29:34 <quickdev> mrmoku, could you include ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" ? and please add a little comment: This disabled the locale generation at all. If qemu fails, this should be uncommented
Dec 28 23:29:51 <quickdev> s/disabled/disables/g
Dec 28 23:29:52 <bzzbot> quickdev meant: mrmoku, could you include ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" ? and please add a little comment: This disables the locale generation at all. If qemu fails, this should be uncommented
Dec 28 23:30:04 <quickdev> s/disables the/disables/
Dec 28 23:30:32 <dos1> test
Dec 28 23:30:43 <sicu> it's great coming back and seeing all this activity, having been off the net for 10 days =]
Dec 28 23:30:53 <dos1> /s/e/olert/
Dec 28 23:30:55 <mrmoku> quickdev: are you sure it won't break the build?
Dec 28 23:31:03 <quickdev> sicu, there wasn't much activity recently ;)
Dec 28 23:31:07 <dos1> test
Dec 28 23:31:18 <dos1> /s/est/olert/
Dec 28 23:31:36 <dos1> ;(
Dec 28 23:31:37 <sicu> quickdev: some is better than none ;p
Dec 28 23:31:44 <quickdev> mrmoku, prepend a "#" ... it's an advice for people where qemu destroys the build ;)
Dec 28 23:31:57 <sicu> quickdev: is unstable stable enough to run as daily phone atm ?
Dec 28 23:32:00 <mrmoku> quickdev: already doing it :-)
Dec 28 23:32:11 * mrmoku is running unstable is daily phone
Dec 28 23:32:18 <mrmoku> s/is/as/
Dec 28 23:32:24 <sicu> mrmoku: k, thanks =]
Dec 28 23:32:36 <quickdev> sicu, depends, partly ;)
Dec 28 23:32:57 <sicu> i'll start the build then ... will hopefully be done in 40 hrs ;p
Dec 28 23:33:24 <quickdev> sicu, started this midday
Dec 28 23:33:31 <sicu> nice =]
Dec 28 23:33:31 <quickdev> it's ready in 2 hours I think :)
Dec 28 23:33:54 <quickdev> 4088 of 6800
Dec 28 23:35:45 <sicu> ngrr .. will have to buy a new box soon ... waiting 30+ hrs for a build is not funny anymore
Dec 28 23:36:49 <mrmoku> quickdev: ok, did - tested - and pushed
Dec 28 23:37:05 <mrmoku> I'm off to bed now before you come up with something else ;)
Dec 28 23:37:10 <mrmoku> good night
Dec 28 23:37:13 <quickdev> mrmoku, great, thank you. Good that I catched you tonight
Dec 28 23:37:21 <quickdev> have a good day, good night ;)
Dec 28 23:39:09 <Dave> :)
Dec 28 23:39:13 <Dave> Later, mrmoku.
Dec 29 00:09:31 <yoyo> why can't I send DTMS?
Dec 29 00:10:30 <yoyo> diffrent why DTMS is not supported ? 
Dec 29 00:13:40 <dos1> yoyo: for m4 DTMS works
Dec 29 00:23:08 <dos1> me* ;D
Dec 29 00:56:36 <Mortak> asked in #openmoko too :) 
Dec 29 00:56:38 <Mortak> can anyone help me with this error while "make image"? http://pastebin.com/m17d4f601
Dec 29 01:18:42 <mw|> hmm
Dec 29 01:19:09 <mw|> Mortak: did you look at building shr wiki page?
Dec 29 01:19:30 <mw|> from troubleshooting section:
Dec 29 01:19:31 <mw|> If python-etk fails building, try this:
Dec 29 01:19:31 <mw|> $ bitbake -c clean python-etk; bitbake eina; bitbake python-etk
Dec 29 01:19:44 <mw|> ;-)
Dec 29 01:19:44 <Mortak> mw|: oops, wait
Dec 29 01:20:25 <Mortak> mw|: im really to tired now
Dec 29 01:20:28 <Mortak> thx a lot
Dec 29 01:21:07 <Mortak> "too"
Dec 29 01:21:16 <mw|> Mortak: your started from scratch very recently?
Dec 29 01:21:37 <Mortak> mw|: yes
Dec 29 01:22:01 <mw|> *reopen the bugreport #4906 *
Dec 29 01:23:10 <Mortak> oh, hehe
Dec 29 01:39:38 <Mortak> hmm, i finally found where i have to apply the fix, but ill get a lot of those:
Dec 29 01:39:51 <Mortak> NOTE: Handling BitBake files: | (0000/0145) [ 0 %]ERROR: Could not inherit file classes/distutils-base.bbclass while parsing /usr/src/openmoko/shr/openembedded/packages/python/python-dbus_0.83.0.bb
Dec 29 01:41:17 <Mortak> hmm, or it is still the wrong location
Dec 29 01:41:21 <Mortak> *search*
Dec 29 02:03:09 <Dave> hvordan står det til med mine norske venner?
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