**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 30 02:59:56 2008 Dec 30 10:50:28 hi. are here currently any shr-devs present? Dec 30 10:52:22 yes Ainulindale and mrmoku Dec 30 10:52:34 * mrmoku hides Dec 30 10:52:46 * Hire hides Dec 30 10:54:12 haha Dec 30 10:54:31 ah yes Hire is a dev too - he is responsible for the theming Dec 30 10:55:40 i am not a dev :( Dec 30 10:55:44 i am admin sys Dec 30 10:56:00 and ainulidale isn't a dev Dec 30 10:56:12 haha Dec 30 10:56:17 he is a cook Dec 30 10:56:22 haha Dec 30 10:56:26 yes he certainly is Dec 30 10:56:49 ah la cuisine francaise Dec 30 10:58:38 root_at: anyway: post your question Dec 30 10:59:15 k. does shr support FLTK for sure? Dec 30 11:00:02 i cant try it out, cause i havent got my freerunner yet : ( Dec 30 11:00:21 you can compile it ;) Dec 30 11:00:30 fltk is a toolkit - so it is supported if you can compile it Dec 30 11:00:44 I am currently checking if there is a .bb in openembedded Dec 30 11:01:08 bumbl: there is surely FLTK in debian Dec 30 11:01:18 i think i read that someone compiled something on a freerunner, but this most not mean that it will work with shr Dec 30 11:01:27 root_at: there is a bitbake file in openembedded Dec 30 11:01:37 so fltk will for sure work with shr Dec 30 11:01:45 thanks bumbl Dec 30 11:02:06 * mrmoku is trying to bitabake that lightning fast toolkit Dec 30 11:02:23 you just have to ask one of the devs to include it in the daily tasks thing so that you can just opkg install fltk and you get everything you need Dec 30 11:02:44 http://gitweb.openembedded.net/?p=openembedded.git;a=tree;f=packages/fltk Dec 30 11:02:58 i think i will do this, as soon as i have my freerunner Dec 30 11:03:00 I don't even know what fltk is. Dec 30 11:03:14 * mrmoku thought Ainulindale knows everything ;) Dec 30 11:03:15 a toolkit, like gtk. but better ; ) just look up wiki Dec 30 11:03:18 Ainulindale: yet another ui toolkit Dec 30 11:03:29 it's fast Dec 30 11:03:31 mrmoku: well, almost Dec 30 11:03:34 Just the useful stuff :-p Dec 30 11:03:56 bumbl: what should i do with that link? Dec 30 11:03:57 dang its already 6AM Dec 30 11:04:08 Ainulindale: you want to tell me that even french brains have a limit ? :p Dec 30 11:04:26 lol Dec 30 11:04:34 Yeah, the first I can think of is the german sausage Dec 30 11:04:38 That's something I can't understand Dec 30 11:04:49 Ainulindale: by the way... how did that angstrom thingie work out? something to test? Dec 30 11:05:05 Failed with too many errors here and there, I started from scratch Dec 30 11:05:23 (I tried with my old devel tree) Dec 30 11:05:36 root_at: nothing Dec 30 11:05:37 It's already at 2100/6900 Dec 30 11:05:50 just the prove that there is a bitbake file for it Dec 30 11:06:50 Ainulindale: what can't you understand with german sausages? Dec 30 11:07:08 Because I don't like it =) Dec 30 11:08:09 hmm Dec 30 11:08:23 that's a thing I can't understand Dec 30 11:09:27 i am out. thank you again, cu Dec 30 11:09:37 Ainulindale: that's like saying 'I don't like french cheese'... There is a lot of different french cheese Dec 30 11:09:45 root_at: it compiles :-) Dec 30 11:09:57 i like brie Dec 30 11:09:59 :P Dec 30 11:10:12 r u trying it? then i will stay Dec 30 11:10:14 * mrmoku is going to cook some italian spaghetti now :-) Dec 30 11:10:34 I know, and I agree, I was just saying that out of finding a reason :-) Dec 30 11:10:39 mrmoku: maybe he doesn't like them because he can't produce and cook them himself Dec 30 11:11:34 * admiral0 will have lasagna for 31st december Dec 30 11:15:03 I don't like french cheese Dec 30 11:15:53 I don't like french men. Dec 30 11:17:22 Hey Dec 30 11:17:36 quickdev: hey ! Dec 30 11:17:46 quickdev: problem with libframeworkd-phonegui-efl Dec 30 11:17:53 yeah? Dec 30 11:17:59 The callee hang up Dec 30 11:18:05 At the same time I tried to hang up Dec 30 11:18:08 And it stayed on Dec 30 11:18:13 THen I called someone else Dec 30 11:18:19 And it was impossible to make the window appear Dec 30 11:18:29 No log available I'm afraid, I had to unplug the battery Dec 30 11:19:13 checked if frameworkd / ophonekitd was running? Dec 30 11:19:37 checked that there were no frameworkd errors (race condition in that case) Dec 30 11:19:41 yes as I was able to list contacts Dec 30 11:19:45 And as I was on the street Dec 30 11:19:50 And as it was snowing Dec 30 11:19:58 And as I was on the phone with an answering machine Dec 30 11:20:06 I had no other solution than to unplug the battery :-) Dec 30 11:20:41 that looks like a frameworkd problem...because calls always worked in the past? Dec 30 11:20:51 I had no specific problem yes Dec 30 11:20:59 But even if it was a frameworkd problem Dec 30 11:21:04 Your window should have disappeared Dec 30 11:21:18 I think it broke the window management Dec 30 11:21:22 the window should disappear even if there's no CallFinished signal? Dec 30 11:21:23 Because when I placed the second call Dec 30 11:21:27 The first window was in the task list Dec 30 11:21:30 But no way to display it Dec 30 11:21:33 And the call was in progress Dec 30 11:21:41 quickdev: there was a call finished signal Dec 30 11:21:51 (I suppose) Dec 30 11:21:51 ok - that looks like a bug, yes Dec 30 11:22:02 the question is...is it reproducable? :) Dec 30 11:22:06 Well quickdev I wouldn't tell you that if it didn't look like one :-) Dec 30 11:22:13 quickdev: well try the use case Dec 30 11:22:21 Try to hang up almost at the same time as your calee Dec 30 11:22:26 s/ale/alle/ Dec 30 11:22:26 Ainulindale meant: Try to hang up almost at the same time as your callee Dec 30 11:57:55 yo, yoyo Dec 30 11:58:03 ( ahah, i did a joke ) Dec 30 11:58:18 funny Dec 30 11:58:26 sure it is Dec 30 11:58:32 it was :> Dec 30 11:58:42 * Hire slaps himself Dec 30 11:58:43 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: hi Dec 30 11:59:38 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: I was thinking of finally dwelving into libframeworkd-glib but it doesn't seem to support brightness yet. if I were to try to add support for it, where should I start? Dec 30 12:10:16 [Rui]: will tell you tht as soon as lunch is ready Dec 30 12:10:18 +a Dec 30 12:10:40 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: so anxious to avoid lunch? :D Dec 30 12:11:13 well no, it's just that I'm currently frying chicken Dec 30 12:12:37 leave ainulindale aloneeee Dec 30 12:12:42 leave him cooking aloneeeee Dec 30 12:14:46 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: I suggest you enjoy your lunch :) I have to do ours (wife and mine) as well since she is not on vacations. Dec 30 12:14:58 has anyone had a recent successful build with Mokomakefile? make image (it builds default ASU image?) Dec 30 12:15:07 quickdev: would you plz add fltk to the repo, so i just need to "opkg install fltk" to get fltk support? Dec 30 12:18:10 root_at: testing or unstable ? Dec 30 12:18:26 [Rui]: so Dec 30 12:18:34 [Rui]: it's quite easy, just plain boring Dec 30 12:19:09 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: easy and boring is probably a safe bet for a beginner at those packages... Dec 30 12:19:11 sry, i dont know anything about the openmoko-repo(or does even every image have their own repo?) Dec 30 12:19:31 root_at: well if you want us to add it to the shr repo there are two of them, testing and unstable Dec 30 12:19:36 and that's if you use SHR Dec 30 12:19:59 [Rui]: well see for yourself in lfg sources it's pretty straightforward Dec 30 12:20:11 I think you should have a look by yourself and ask me when stuck Dec 30 12:20:32 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: doesn't it need some work on frameworkd as well? Dec 30 12:20:37 yeah i want to use shr. i dont really care about that, but i would say testing Dec 30 12:20:42 not at all [Rui] Dec 30 12:20:52 <[Rui]> Ainulindale: ok... Dec 30 12:21:00 root_at: if you don't have an image yet, what use will it serve to compile it then? Dec 30 12:21:11 download and install it and I'll compile it =) Dec 30 12:21:57 i will get my freerunner these days Dec 30 12:22:00 but why Dec 30 12:22:02 WHY Dec 30 12:22:23 use another-useless-ugly toolkit?!? Dec 30 12:22:31 at this point why not wx? Dec 30 12:22:38 r u talking about fltk? Dec 30 12:22:43 yes Dec 30 12:22:49 i am talking about fltk Dec 30 12:22:52 fltk is not ugly and useless :O Dec 30 12:22:58 yes, it is Dec 30 12:23:06 Hire: it is the fastest :P Dec 30 12:23:17 its better than gtk Dec 30 12:23:18 efl too Dec 30 12:23:30 Hire: it's faster then efl :p Dec 30 12:23:39 raster? Dec 30 12:23:48 can you spank mrmoku please? :* Dec 30 12:24:17 Hire: hah, calling raster to spank me.... pantelloni pieni? Dec 30 12:24:40 pantelloni? O_o Dec 30 12:24:41 certainly efl is visually much more appealing then fltk Dec 30 12:24:47 but fltk is faster ;) Dec 30 12:24:50 you mean "pantaloni"? Dec 30 12:24:50 :D Dec 30 12:25:13 yep, pantaloni ripieni ;) Dec 30 12:25:21 its a question of taste, which is more appeling Dec 30 12:25:23 ahhh Dec 30 12:25:27 is it a meal? Dec 30 12:25:38 * mrmoku thinks not so Dec 30 12:25:43 uhm Dec 30 12:26:23 ah ok Dec 30 12:26:25 i get it Dec 30 12:26:32 :-) Dec 30 12:27:59 Ainulindale: r u going to make it these days? Dec 30 12:28:42 Make what? Dec 30 12:28:50 I just compiled it for unstable Dec 30 12:29:11 yeah i meaned that. thank you Dec 30 12:29:45 Ainulindale: i changed my feeds to unstable and i will `opkg upgrade` Dec 30 12:29:52 am i going to die? Dec 30 12:30:01 Probably Dec 30 12:30:09 That's not the way to do things, currently Dec 30 12:30:18 Because of a bug in bitbake fixed revisions for instance Dec 30 12:30:25 * admiral0 has died Dec 30 12:44:42 moinmoin Dec 30 13:22:20 mrmoku: fltk faster? for what - scrolling. yes. as for evas all scrolling is a redraw - but fltk doesnt come close to the gfx evas is doing Dec 30 13:37:40 DocScrutinizer2: hello, PaulFertser_ told me you might be able to help me with my gsm flash issue ? Dec 30 13:59:17 dos1: where is your settings code located? Dec 30 13:59:47 bumbl: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/svn/trunk/shr-settings/ Dec 30 14:00:01 gracias Dec 30 14:00:47 build shr... package python-etk-0.3.0+svnr37812: failed Dec 30 14:01:06 mqy: look at trac Dec 30 14:01:12 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR says... Dec 30 14:01:19 $ bitbake -c clean python-etk; bitbake eina; bitbake python-etk Dec 30 14:01:46 run failed Dec 30 14:02:14 either can not find bitbake or can not find conf/bitbake.conf Dec 30 14:02:56 mqy: . ./setup-env ? Dec 30 14:03:12 yes, chmod -x ./setup-env Dec 30 14:03:18 but report error Dec 30 14:03:50 ./setup-env: line 9: ./conf/topdir.conf: No such file or directory Dec 30 14:05:04 I notice that there is a file named site.conf in conf Dec 30 14:05:45 mqy: did you do ". ./setup-env" or "./setup-env" Dec 30 14:06:46 yes, thanks, it is running Dec 30 14:07:10 I should run setup-env inside dir "shr-testing" Dec 30 14:07:26 or shr-unstable Dec 30 14:07:27 ;] Dec 30 14:07:37 shr-testing$ . ../setup-env Dec 30 14:07:44 $ bitbake -c clean python-etk; bibake eina; bitbake python-etk Dec 30 14:07:54 why ". ../setup-env" ? Dec 30 14:07:54 $ hello, I'm running ... Dec 30 14:08:23 If I don't run setup-env, bitbake reports error Dec 30 14:08:35 ". ./setup-env" Dec 30 14:08:38 I must depend on something like path.. Dec 30 14:09:03 yeah, it sets env vars for bitbake Dec 30 14:09:15 mqy: one dot too much ;p Dec 30 14:09:26 I'm builing shr-testing, from last night UTC+8 Dec 30 14:10:00 there is no setup-env inside shr-testing Dec 30 14:10:00 imho shr-unstable is better :] Dec 30 14:10:09 it sits top dir Dec 30 14:10:16 mqy: i have setup-env in shr-testing and shr-unstable Dec 30 14:10:29 you are lucky :/ Dec 30 14:10:54 NOTE: Running task 541 of 2163 Dec 30 14:10:56 ;p Dec 30 14:11:15 ^^ Dec 30 14:11:48 dos1: maybe it will biuld in this week ;) Dec 30 14:12:03 nah Dec 30 14:12:06 soltys: maybe ;] Dec 30 14:12:15 should be finnished in max. 2h Dec 30 14:18:11 raster: didn't want to offend you ;) visual appearance is why I would prefer etk... Dec 30 14:19:59 mrmoku: ? Dec 30 14:20:17 etk's visual appearance sucks bad Dec 30 14:21:12 bumbl: etk's visual appearance is flexible as a chameleon... so it might suck or it might splend :p Dec 30 14:21:43 default etk appearance sucks Dec 30 14:22:48 :) Dec 30 14:23:56 jacob appelbaum live :p Dec 30 14:23:58 bumbl: default always sucks, that statement qualifies you for "hacker". Hoping for another default that sucks less qualifies you for... humm :x Dec 30 14:25:55 DocScrutinizer2: hello, PaulFertser_ told me you might be able to help me with my gsm flash issue ? Dec 30 14:26:38 DocScrutinizer2: well I don't use etk if I don't have to and everything is ok (the parts of etk i used for omoney are ok (entry, Table)) Dec 30 14:26:46 jernst: yup. maybe Dec 30 14:27:12 anyway joerg, were you fixing many buzzzes at 25C3 Dec 30 14:27:16 ? Dec 30 14:27:26 DocScrutinizer2: The flash process always stops in a random place Dec 30 14:27:55 bumbl: none, as light and env here isn't adequate for SMT work Dec 30 14:28:11 ah ok Dec 30 14:28:36 I've tried all the things found in the wiki Dec 30 14:28:53 DocScrutinizer2: anyway, they seem to have problems in "Saal 1" Dec 30 14:29:51 etk is better than ewl... Dec 30 14:29:58 but all in all its not that hot-looking Dec 30 14:30:05 jernst: use a better cable, make SURE there's NO process interfering with DL. Use the rootfs suggested in wiki. Don't deviate from suggested procedure Dec 30 14:32:03 jernst: maybe use a much slowerbaudrate setting, FW-bootloader should autobaud, so FLUID baud setting is arbitrary Dec 30 14:32:20 I used the recommanded rootfs Dec 30 14:32:39 bumbl: problems in Saal1 ??? Dec 30 14:33:01 which kinda problems? Dec 30 14:33:25 The cable that came with mine had to be replaced, fyi jernst Dec 30 14:33:55 jernst: sorry cable was nonsense , nevermind Dec 30 14:34:11 DocScrutinizer2: well they tried to set up the laptop correctly for minutes Dec 30 14:34:34 really? I swapped back and forth several times to verify that it was my cable. maybe I don't know what the current situation is, but it definitely fixed my issues Dec 30 14:35:10 jernst: maybe I can help you better on 2009.01.02 Dec 30 14:35:47 ah yes, gsm flash. This was just for basic flashing for me. I'll shut up now. Dec 30 14:35:53 jernst: for now I'm sitting here with no decent PC Dec 30 14:37:01 awwaiid: ok, trying better cable won't hurt for sure Dec 30 14:39:04 jernst: you removed SIM? Dec 30 14:39:36 DocScrutinizer2: nope, should I ? Dec 30 14:39:55 yup! Dec 30 14:40:12 hmm I didn't see it in the wiki Dec 30 14:40:53 ok, not yet mentioned, as it's not mandatory (yet) Dec 30 14:41:22 ok rebooting without sim Dec 30 14:41:39 anyway you don't need SIM, so it's wise to remove it Dec 30 14:41:50 Mr. J Dec 30 14:41:55 DocScrutinizer2: does the freerunner charges the battery when using fso-console ? Dec 30 14:41:56 keep situation clean & simple Dec 30 14:42:59 jernst: dunno, but for GSM-flash a full bat is mandatory Dec 30 14:43:34 hi Dave Dec 30 14:43:46 :) Dec 30 14:43:59 DocScrutinizer2: btw, why is it written on the wiki that one can completely brick the modem? Is it true? Doesn't presence of ROM bootloader help? Dec 30 14:44:41 DocScrutinizer2: so I was right with my email on openmoko-devel stating that the sim card can cause problems (e.g. when/after flashing qi) Dec 30 14:44:44 ? Dec 30 14:45:04 if you really mess you config(calibration) data in calypso, U might end with a brick Dec 30 14:45:30 DocScrutinizer2: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/96001/ Dec 30 14:46:07 it's not very likely with a typo, but messing with FLUID might result in that Dec 30 14:46:10 DocScrutinizer2: oh, one important question. Is every modem individually calibrated? Dec 30 14:46:32 jernst: no use in pastebin, no PC. told ya Dec 30 14:46:45 PaulFertser: yu Dec 30 14:46:47 p Dec 30 14:47:02 that's the problem Dec 30 14:47:20 DocScrutinizer2: ok sorry. @others, sorry for the following noise Dec 30 14:47:40 U *could* kill this calib with FLUID Dec 30 14:48:09 DocScrutinizer2: the problem i keep in mind is that about 20 russian users received 850Mhz version because of stupid reseller. It seems they're really out of luck then. Dec 30 14:48:30 (p.s. I changed the cable, just to be sure) Dec 30 14:48:44 for sure they are, it's different h Dec 30 14:48:54 w Dec 30 14:48:54 HW Dec 30 14:49:10 DocScrutinizer2: so, messing around with flashing another "partitions" can harm, that's obvious. But incorrect flashing of the firmware itself can't harm. Dec 30 14:49:44 nope. FW is a completely different partition Dec 30 14:50:03 won't affect calib/EMEI Dec 30 14:50:42 DocScrutinizer2: But is it the same PCB? In this case their devices could be "modded" but anyway they'd need recalibration. And if it's per-unit and highly secret, that means the only thing they can do is exchange for a more suitable version? Dec 30 14:51:24 we didnn't any test on effects of messing calib. but sure it's not recommended Dec 30 14:52:15 PaulFertser: yup Dec 30 14:52:39 PaulFertser: anyway its not secret. its proprietary and U need cmu200 Dec 30 14:52:50 DocScrutinizer2: btw, what jernst wanted to show you is that basically the flashing process starts with the ROM bootloader but after several *'s he gets "4" and nothing more. Dec 30 14:53:05 plus sw you don't have for sure Dec 30 14:53:40 I'll look into that in 3 days Dec 30 14:53:59 DocScrutinizer2: thanks a lot for the clarification, i'll tell the folks (though they won't be happy...) Dec 30 14:54:10 sorry Dec 30 14:55:09 PaulFertser: well, 1800/1900 should still work Dec 30 14:55:22 DocScrutinizer2: anyway we have a decent coverage in big cities, so even 850MHz version is ok. Thanks again. Dec 30 14:55:40 welcome Dec 30 14:56:17 tried now a downgrade to moko8.m0, stucked at ***5- Dec 30 14:57:46 jernst: pastebin your ps axm, just in case... Dec 30 14:57:53 jernst: it's kinda strange Dec 30 14:58:33 PaulFertser: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/96010/ Dec 30 14:58:55 try fw-bootlooader vs rom-bootloader. try lower baudrate. make sure you have correct file Dec 30 14:59:21 DocScrutinizer2: you mean -oo vs -oO ? Dec 30 14:59:29 yup Dec 30 15:00:04 and sth like-b19xxx Dec 30 15:00:28 jernst: -b 19200 , i guess. Dec 30 15:00:54 yup Dec 30 15:01:00 -oO doesn't work at all (doesn't start flashing) Dec 30 15:01:54 should Dec 30 15:02:20 (it worked before it first got stucked) Dec 30 15:02:45 jernst: and doesn't -vvvv give any clues? Dec 30 15:03:00 well, can't help a lot. Dec 30 15:03:34 sorry. will look into that in 3 days Dec 30 15:04:34 DocScrutinizer2: ok thanks already Dec 30 15:04:41 PaulFertser: Command Interpreter: (0x820000, 5284, received R (0x52), SRAM = 256k, fifo = 31, chipid = 0xB496, Calypso, baudrate = 19200 115200 ERROR(10): Receive timeout (no target reply) Dec 30 15:06:03 maybe Dieter will be reachable later on. left in the morning here IIRC Dec 30 15:07:07 jernst: jernst that's with ROM bootloader? Strange... Dec 30 15:07:28 that's with -oO Dec 30 15:07:31 jernst: maybe send him a amil, ask him to join this channel. He isn't on IRC regularly Dec 30 15:07:34 DocScrutinizer2: Did you enjoy the event? You must be very tired atm ;) Dec 30 15:08:19 PaulFertser: i was so tired yesterday I slept away all night and am quite well right now Dec 30 15:08:20 jernst: -oO is not interesting anymore after your first unsuccessful attempt. Only ROM is. Dec 30 15:09:04 DocScrutinizer2: great :) Will you soon return to TPE? Don't they give you a long enough "xmas holidays" to stay at home? Dec 30 15:10:17 PaulFertser: will try to get some more days "off" next week. next TPE visit ~Feb Dec 30 15:11:03 (-oO) fair enouh Dec 30 15:11:17 DocScrutinizer2: happy holidays then :) you've definetely earned a good relaxation time :) Dec 30 15:11:50 DocScrutinizer2: has Dieter made progress on moko11 and the mysterious bouncing calypso? Dec 30 15:12:31 not yet Dec 30 15:12:44 we need a way toduplicate Dec 30 15:13:19 so far the 220k issue is our best guess Dec 30 15:13:27 DocScrutinizer2: Oh, and what about that misterious R that could affect 32768Hz resonator stability and so on? I haven't seen a reply on the list. Dec 30 15:13:44 220k issue? Dec 30 15:14:25 DocScrutinizer2: is TPE EE team as closed as that sinful "ui design team"? Dec 30 15:15:38 I think I made it ! Dec 30 15:15:41 DocScrutinizer2: Sargun told me he might be able to change 220K to a correct value and test, as he's reproducing #1024 reliably and can ask some experienced SMT-soldering guys for help. Dec 30 15:16:03 FLUID_PORT=/dev/ttySAC0 fluid.exe -oo -vvvv -f $HOME/gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-moko10.m0 (i.e. without baudrate) went until the end Dec 30 15:16:41 but I'm not sure it really works Dec 30 15:16:42 jernst: Congratulations! and what was the baud rate actually? Dec 30 15:16:43 please add to gsm/flashing discussion page Dec 30 15:16:50 as echo -en 'AT+CGMR\r' >/dev/ttySAC0 doesn't show the expected result Dec 30 15:17:15 jernst: don't delete the verbose log, btw, it might help someone for reference. Dec 30 15:17:40 ok, but I guess if echo -en 'AT+CGMR\r' doesn't work, my modem doesn't work either ? Dec 30 15:18:36 jernst: not quite. It's not supposed to work very well anyway, as it lacks proper baud rate etc setting (can be done via stty). Try to reboot the phone. Dec 30 15:18:56 I rebooted the phone already Dec 30 15:19:05 I have to flash an image with an actual dialer to check now ? Dec 30 15:19:27 jernst: probably you can use any terminal program to check. Dec 30 15:19:52 like ? Dec 30 15:20:15 jernst: cu, kermit, minicom ? Dec 30 15:21:03 jernst: don't forget to power the modem on ;) Dec 30 15:23:58 well if flashing succeeded once, you're on the safe side anyway. Dec 30 15:24:40 * DocScrutinizer2 bbl now. move a little, watch... Dec 30 15:24:57 DocScrutinizer2: if he doesn't have any hardware problems like bad solder-joints or something. :-/ Dec 30 15:27:29 I'm flashing Om2008.12 and will see if I can at least make a phone call Dec 30 15:29:12 jernst: Why don't you want to use a uSD card instead of flashing? Dec 30 15:31:50 hmm because I didn't read the SD instructions... yet... Dec 30 15:35:54 heyho Dec 30 15:41:43 'n abend alle zu zusammen :-) Dec 30 16:27:48 anybody can tell me where opkgs package cache is located? Dec 30 16:28:00 Zorkman: /usr/lib/opkg AFAIR Dec 30 16:29:01 dos1: i want to get rid of some warnings when opkg upgrading ( Multiple packages (libmad0 and libmad0) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Dec 30 16:29:14 and Multiple packages (libmpeg2-0 and libmpeg2-0) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. Dec 30 16:29:28 will deleting the cache fix it? Dec 30 16:29:32 Zorkman: rm /usr/lib/opkg/*; opkg update Dec 30 16:29:34 Zorkman: try Dec 30 16:29:34 ;] Dec 30 16:30:00 Zorkman: or stop, wait Dec 30 16:30:16 ok, i'm waiting :) Dec 30 16:30:19 /var/lib/opkg/ Dec 30 16:30:44 if you'll delete /usr/lib/opkg, you will delete all informations about installed packages :x Dec 30 16:30:47 i should delete /var/lib/opkg/* ? Dec 30 16:30:55 so delete /var/lib/opkg/* Dec 30 16:30:59 ok, thanks Dec 30 16:32:21 dos1: i'm still getting the same errors/warnings and it doesn't upgrade a thing Dec 30 16:32:33 (maybe there is nothing to upgrade...) Dec 30 16:32:45 so... try editing /usr/lib/opkg/status Dec 30 16:32:48 but carefully Dec 30 16:33:55 i wouldn't know how to :) Dec 30 16:34:16 but suppose there are updates, will i be able to upgrade, or will these errors prevent it? Dec 30 16:35:05 Zorkman: it depends, but i think yes Dec 30 16:36:05 k, i'll back it up and try some editing Dec 30 17:07:39 hi all Dec 30 17:08:55 huh Dec 30 17:09:06 night Dec 30 17:09:16 telekomunikacja polska (polish telecom - provider in poland) is blocking irc servers Dec 30 17:09:21 lucky freenode isn't blocked Dec 30 17:28:54 dos1: again... Dec 30 17:29:03 this is just funny ;) Dec 30 17:30:49 gah, I lost my wallcharger Dec 30 17:34:16 dos1: well maybe they fear all those evil botnets which communicate over irc so it is all to protect you from harming yourself :p Dec 30 17:36:06 bumbl: thanks, but i'm using linux, and *I* want to decide what i will block Dec 30 17:36:44 dos1, but the corporate evils want to control your life! (j/k) Dec 30 17:36:48 dos1: tpsa blocks only polish irc servers afaik Dec 30 17:37:01 linux ... so you are one of the evils who don't use products of our beloved market leader :p Dec 30 17:37:31 bumbl, or our beloved fancy UI master. Dec 30 17:38:06 soltys: yes, i know. it's good that tp is increasing security Dec 30 17:38:24 but let me decide, if i want that security! Dec 30 17:39:13 personally i don't want, because it's not useful for me, so i want to turn it off Dec 30 17:39:15 but i can't Dec 30 17:40:43 some time ago (in summer this year) tp introduced some "security system" - in effect there was problems with connecting to the most popular polish jabber server Dec 30 17:41:00 but there was ability to turn it off Dec 30 18:41:47 who is doing the shr settings app? Dec 30 18:43:07 BluesLee: me, yoyo and hiciu Dec 30 18:43:33 Huh? Dec 30 18:43:43 I thought until now it was me :-) Dec 30 18:43:56 I'm happy to know that there are several other people I don't know about who did stuff. Dec 30 18:44:19 Ainulindale: i mean shr-settings on python-elementary Dec 30 18:44:33 well that's different. Dec 30 18:44:39 one moment Dec 30 18:44:58 two moments Dec 30 18:45:06 three moments Dec 30 18:45:07 i win Dec 30 18:45:08 ;] Dec 30 18:45:21 python-elementary is the app with the black wite japanes flag? Dec 30 18:45:22 harrrr Dec 30 18:45:42 btw. is there a more recent image than the one on http://shr.bearstech.com? Dec 30 18:46:41 this is shr settings or not http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/c996ae58bedec49d73f7f5cccb8f50ce.png Dec 30 18:46:49 yes it is Dec 30 18:47:07 BluesLee: it is shr-settings on python-elementary Dec 30 18:47:18 which is mine, hiciu's and yoyo's Dec 30 18:47:25 Are you comitting on shr or not? Dec 30 18:47:27 okay Dec 30 18:47:47 Ainulindale: right now not Dec 30 18:47:55 Then you should Dec 30 18:47:59 Else I'll spank you Dec 30 18:48:00 and this one http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/7f98c229340903af2e6abc4709cf83da.png ? Dec 30 18:48:01 Damn you :-) Dec 30 18:48:12 Aunulindale: i will Dec 30 18:48:13 ;] Dec 30 18:48:27 BluesLee: yes, it is the same app Dec 30 18:48:43 and it isnt available yet Dec 30 18:48:51 why the hell;-) Dec 30 18:49:00 BluesLee: it is, but on other server Dec 30 18:49:13 BluesLee: see Dec 30 18:49:15 http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Draft:SHRSettingsApphttp://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Draft:SHRSettingsApp Dec 30 18:49:19 f*ck Dec 30 18:49:20 http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Draft:SHRSettingsApp Dec 30 18:50:08 dos1: please just ask for commit access I'll gladly give you Dec 30 18:50:15 ^^ Dec 30 18:50:27 We're looking for people to take over such things for you Dec 30 18:50:32 I did a quick hack of exposure for frameworkd Dec 30 18:50:37 Quick & dirty Dec 30 18:50:41 But it's obvious we need that stuff Dec 30 18:50:46 Well anyway Dec 30 18:50:51 I have to cook for tomorrow Dec 30 18:50:54 (yes, Hire, again) Dec 30 18:51:01 ahah Dec 30 18:51:03 :) Dec 30 18:51:14 Ainulindale: right now it is limited by python-elementary (look at things like "Here will be working toolbar" :p) Dec 30 18:51:20 I'm doing boar civet Dec 30 18:51:25 It needs to marinate for a day Dec 30 18:51:27 Speaking of that, I saw some commit saying ogsm (I think) will make it possible to synchronize time from gps, any plans regarding that? Dec 30 18:51:27 So I have to do that now Dec 30 18:51:29 i am going to take a bit of smoke Dec 30 18:51:35 and a beer double malt Dec 30 18:51:49 So in between Dec 30 18:51:51 I'm away Dec 30 18:52:52 viq: i doubt that ogsm will sync time from gps Dec 30 18:52:57 rather ogpsd Dec 30 18:53:13 ogsm could get time from the gsm base stations Dec 30 18:53:37 Hire: as you drink and smoke you might die early Dec 30 18:54:30 yeah Dec 30 18:54:39 it is called "natural selection" Dec 30 18:54:39 bumbl: he might, most of those live 100 years and more ... Dec 30 18:54:57 and because i am stupid it is right if i will die Dec 30 18:55:02 those = italians? Dec 30 18:55:12 no, smokers Dec 30 18:55:14 It seems it was ogps, but still an interesting feature Dec 30 18:55:44 BluesLee: they do? Dec 30 18:55:52 my experience shows different Dec 30 18:56:24 can someone tell me his cpu usage for e? Dec 30 18:56:51 and how long your battery survives with shr? Dec 30 18:56:53 dos1: you have to spank and whip morphis so that he works harder on pyelm Dec 30 18:57:17 BluesLee: 15% Dec 30 18:57:37 dos1: i see ... others also have the problem Dec 30 18:58:12 BluesLee: after disabling digital clock 15% too Dec 30 18:58:22 dos1: its not the clock Dec 30 18:59:04 i still use the digital clock so it might not be that representative Dec 30 18:59:05 dos1: to be honest i dont know ... i removed .e, copied my theme file, restarted x and i had 1% cpu Dec 30 18:59:15 ~10% total Dec 30 18:59:21 checked on the neo Dec 30 18:59:26 now i ihave again 15% Dec 30 18:59:38 and i dont know the reason for that Dec 30 19:00:05 between 1 and 5% for elementary Dec 30 19:02:43 crazy stuff Dec 30 19:03:08 hmm does anyone know if raster plans to integrate a filechooser widget in elementary? Dec 30 19:05:51 hello,is there any docs on how to add a backend to pythm? Dec 30 19:07:34 WBOD :x Dec 30 19:08:38 s/elementary/enlightenment/ Dec 30 19:08:39 bumbl meant: hmm does anyone know if raster plans to integrate a filechooser widget in enlightenment? Dec 30 19:08:53 gah bzzbot wrong sentence Dec 30 19:08:59 19:59 < bumbl> between 1 and 5% for elementary Dec 30 19:09:02 s/elementary/enlightenment/ Dec 30 19:09:04 bumbl meant: 19:59 < bumbl> between 1 and 5% for enlightenment Dec 30 19:09:13 good boy bzzbot Dec 30 19:11:36 Ainulindale: I don't know how things work around here, but I need an updated edje for compiling a elementary theme where i'm busy on. Where should I complain? Dec 30 19:21:42 <\marco> hi to all Dec 30 19:24:04 what about this deps, are they fulfilled with shr? GTK+ version 2.8.x pygtk python-sqlite2/python2.4-pysqlite2/python-pysqlite2 pygobject pycairo gnome-python-desktop Dec 30 19:24:32 ah...there is no xmms2 in oe...so I must add this first... Dec 30 19:24:57 BluesLee: why do yoou need them? Dec 30 19:25:40 <\marco> I'm trying to enter in shr developing.. :) Could anyone suggest me a good IDE ( for efl and C for example)? Dec 30 19:25:45 <\marco> anjuta? Dec 30 19:26:10 gedit Dec 30 19:26:13 <\marco> :D Dec 30 19:26:23 vi? Dec 30 19:26:55 \marco: an ide you feel comfortable with Dec 30 19:26:58 copy paste is easier in gedit :p Dec 30 19:27:15 I use eclipse for developing python + efl Dec 30 19:27:20 \marco: i'm using nano ;] Dec 30 19:27:20 <\marco> bumbl, good advice! Dec 30 19:27:30 <\marco> dos1, by now..me too :D Dec 30 19:27:35 eclipse has a good C and C++ plugin too Dec 30 19:28:05 <\marco> bumbl, mhm... ok.. second chance to eclipse.. ( I've had a little problem with c/c++ plugin :/ ) Dec 30 19:28:30 <\marco> or.. I've to learn python :P Dec 30 19:28:40 dos1: real man code with ed Dec 30 19:28:57 <\marco> real man code with buttefly XD Dec 30 19:29:03 <\marco> *butterflies Dec 30 19:29:12 xkcd Dec 30 19:29:13 ;] Dec 30 19:29:20 <\marco> :D Dec 30 19:31:38 \marco: you might also want to try that new operating system called emacs Dec 30 19:31:46 they have also a church Dec 30 19:31:59 Somebody who wants to update edje? Dec 30 19:32:02 bumbl: yep, emacs is good Dec 30 19:32:13 bumbl: but it needs good text editor ;] Dec 30 19:32:22 dos1: only if you like strg + key + key Dec 30 19:32:25 Or has a way to use a newer version of edje in the 'bitbake build system' Dec 30 19:33:00 dolf1074: use shr-unstable Dec 30 19:33:10 I need newer Dec 30 19:33:25 because the version of edje in shr-unstable has a bug Dec 30 19:34:50 <\marco> eheheh Dec 30 19:35:33 <\marco> dolf1074, which bug? Dec 30 19:35:50 edje_cc: Error. :3661 token PASSWORD not one of: NONE PLAIN EDITABLE PASSOWRD Dec 30 19:36:19 <\marco> on my FR the only problem with shr-ustable was that enlightenment eats 30% of the cpu -_- Dec 30 19:36:31 <\marco> dolf1074, mhm... Dec 30 19:37:43 \marco: rm -rf .e and restart x Dec 30 19:38:15 \marco: check cpu usage with htop and then check again after a reboot Dec 30 19:38:19 <\marco> BluesLee, ok Dec 30 19:38:51 I have also a bug with unstable: my gps isn't working Dec 30 19:38:58 \marco: for me, 15% cpu, then 0% and after reboot again 15% Dec 30 19:39:23 (tangoGPS don't find the gps in my freerunner and i'm sure I didn't remove the gps out of my freerunner) Dec 30 19:39:35 dolf1074: fso-gpsd Dec 30 19:40:01 do you have to do that every boot? Dec 30 19:40:19 dolf1074: only when i want to use gps Dec 30 19:40:20 ;D Dec 30 19:40:33 okay :( Dec 30 19:40:47 <\marco> BluesLee, mhm.. no dice.. I get always 15% ( I've unloaded dropshadows) Dec 30 19:40:58 \marco: i also Dec 30 19:41:28 <\marco> oh.. wait.. I've only restarted X.. I've to reboot? Dec 30 19:41:39 one moment Dec 30 19:41:43 \marco: think Windows. Dec 30 19:41:49 <\marco> mwester, auhuahua :D Dec 30 19:41:55 dos1: but thanks anyway for letting my gps work again ;) Dec 30 19:41:55 ypu cpu usage dropped from 30% to 15%? Dec 30 19:42:20 <\marco> BluesLee, yeah Dec 30 19:42:28 \marco: then do a reboot Dec 30 19:42:32 <\marco> ok Dec 30 19:42:56 \marco: if it rises again then ... it rises:-) Dec 30 19:43:15 <\marco> eheh Dec 30 19:43:20 <\marco> booting in progress.. :) Dec 30 19:44:29 i can do that process again and again ... raster is sleeping right? Dec 30 19:46:39 <\marco> BluesLee, 15% again :/ Dec 30 19:47:12 i have 0% Dec 30 19:47:32 rebooting gives me 15% again, why? Dec 30 19:50:11 <\marco> I've tried to remove .e and reboot again but no dice... :/ Dec 30 19:51:00 dolf1074: the issue of having to manually start fso-gpsd has been fixed upstream, so it will only be an annoyance for a little while longer =] Dec 30 19:51:08 okay Dec 30 19:51:18 that's nice Dec 30 19:51:28 \marco: no, rm .e and restart x Dec 30 19:52:00 \marco: then e will ask you the theme to choose ,,, Dec 30 19:53:13 <\marco> BluesLee, already tried this way.. Dec 30 19:54:07 \marco: the cool thing with 05 cpu usage is that e is much more repsonsive Dec 30 19:55:14 <\marco> BluesLee, eh.. I know.. I've see it on shr-testing Dec 30 19:55:43 i use shr-testing Dec 30 19:55:48 <\marco> oh! Dec 30 19:55:58 <\marco> I'm using shr-unstable :P Dec 30 19:56:15 nevertheless cpu usage is 15% after a reboot Dec 30 19:56:39 <\marco> strange... when I've used shr-testing cpu usage was 15% ever Dec 30 19:56:45 <\marco> *0% Dec 30 19:56:49 <\marco> lapsus Dec 30 19:56:50 <\marco> :D Dec 30 19:57:12 bumbl: are you on testing or unstable? Dec 30 19:57:54 BluesLee: unstable Dec 30 19:58:31 i am the only one using testing images? Dec 30 19:58:42 * mrmoku always knew austrians are brave men ;) Dec 30 19:59:11 BluesLee: all want the ui changes Dec 30 19:59:16 which aren't in testing yet Dec 30 19:59:49 for gsm apps? Dec 30 19:59:50 <\marco> indeed Dec 30 19:59:59 <\marco> yep Dec 30 20:00:25 i tested that one and it was not very stable Dec 30 20:00:45 is it better now? Dec 30 20:01:34 <\marco> on my FR it's working like a charm( for now :D ) Dec 30 20:01:53 okay Dec 30 20:02:56 <\marco> dinner's ready.. see you later ;) Dec 30 20:37:54 I'm working on a calendar for shr Dec 30 20:38:56 I'll release Ecalc and Ecalendar before 15/01/09 Dec 30 20:39:24 Somebody who can bump up the revision of edje? Dec 30 20:42:24 sylar91: i like the new look of ecalc Dec 30 20:42:49 BluesLee: good :) Dec 30 20:42:58 sylar91: any plans to add additional functions? Dec 30 20:43:59 I'm working to complete the functions' tab (^2,^n,sin,cos,tan,sqrt,ecc)and the constants' one (G,R,ecc) Dec 30 20:44:53 what kind of constants? you mean gravity g ...? Dec 30 20:45:17 all common constants Dec 30 20:45:25 pi, e ... Dec 30 20:45:38 it supports... Dec 30 20:45:46 20 constants Dec 30 20:45:48 in one tab Dec 30 20:46:55 nice Dec 30 20:47:12 * mwester thinks it needs to support the om(t) function. Dec 30 20:47:24 this will be more than sufficient Dec 30 20:47:29 -> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/5fccaf1eeee4ec193e8d76bf016e5c1e.png Dec 30 20:47:52 mwester: i guess om(t)~exp(t), right?;-) Dec 30 20:48:32 sylar91: can you scap one for ecalendar too? Dec 30 20:49:00 BluesLee: no GUI yet, sorry Dec 30 20:49:08 Hire is working on it Dec 30 20:49:09 no problem Dec 30 20:50:39 so also for the functions' tab ecalc supports 20 functions... Dec 30 20:51:06 which one? Dec 30 20:51:23 BluesLee: wut? Dec 30 20:51:31 i am a mathematician Dec 30 20:51:47 so i ask just for the sake of being one Dec 30 20:51:48 :-) Dec 30 20:52:52 we will see when its released Dec 30 20:53:03 I'm studying at "scientific liceo PNI" (I don't know if it is named in this way in english -> sorry for my bad english :( ) and I'll insert mainly the functions I have studied Dec 30 20:53:14 but if you need some special ones, tell me :) Dec 30 20:53:32 polnish notation? Dec 30 20:54:11 :S Dec 30 20:54:54 a friend of mine did some har work on exact computing Dec 30 20:54:56 I'm looking at http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notazione_polacca_inversa :) Dec 30 20:56:07 sylar91: how is notation relevant to functions you studied? Dec 30 20:56:54 sorry, I'm a 17 student and I don't study how to program at school so maybe my code could be not so clean and optimized... Dec 30 20:57:18 sylar91: and what do you mean by studying those functions? differnt mathematical implementations of that? Dec 30 20:57:36 I'm using python Dec 30 20:57:42 and the exec function Dec 30 20:57:49 adapted with the math module Dec 30 20:57:54 okay Dec 30 20:58:00 sylar91: and dc! and you write the programs in ed! FTW! Dec 30 20:58:35 PaulFertser: sorry but.. I can't understand what do you mean :) Dec 30 20:59:27 sylar91: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dc_(computer_program) (that's what i guess you exec() from python) and for editing programs you probably use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_(text_editor) Dec 30 20:59:42 sylar91: ;) Dec 30 21:01:05 lol Dec 30 21:03:48 OpenPorko: Hi, ehm... wtf! what about your nick? Dec 30 21:04:07 What about your fucking ass? Dec 30 21:04:14 :S Dec 30 21:04:16 calm down :) Dec 30 21:04:23 lol Dec 30 21:04:36 OpenPorko: please be quiet.... Dec 30 21:04:48 sylar please fuck Dec 30 21:05:03 OpenPorko: sorry for a moment I thought it was a joke of the OpenMoko word Dec 30 21:05:15 OpenPorko: please don't insult me Dec 30 21:05:40 sylar please don't scass meicoglioni Dec 30 21:05:58 OpenPorko: n00b Dec 30 21:06:05 *lamer Dec 30 21:06:06 shut up Dec 30 21:06:11 ok, sorry Dec 30 21:06:20 you both Dec 30 21:06:22 ;] Dec 30 21:06:26 -.-' Dec 30 21:07:02 sylar stupid monkey Dec 30 21:07:08 ... Dec 30 21:07:11 dos1: -.- Dec 30 21:07:30 sylar91: exactly ;p Dec 30 21:08:11 sed: can't read /var/www/build/shr-unstable/tmp/work/i686-linux/glib-2.0-native-2.16.1-r2/image/var/www/build/shr-unstable/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/bin/glib-mkenums: No such file or directory Dec 30 21:09:47 ^^^^ why? :x Dec 30 21:18:16 wtf? Dec 30 21:18:57 They all grew angry with us, sylar91! Dec 30 21:19:22 -.-, I can bet it.... Dec 30 21:19:26 hmm... netspits don't usually last so long. Dec 30 21:19:36 er, netslipts Dec 30 21:19:44 gah! I mean "netsplits" Dec 30 21:50:51 moin bumbl Dec 30 21:54:04 DocScrutinizer2: you've been at 25c3? Dec 30 21:54:45 yup Dec 30 21:55:15 oh. but you haven't been at the GSM table? Dec 30 21:55:53 quite a couple of times Dec 30 21:56:18 ah, what a pitty that you didn't go to the table next to it (pyneo) Dec 30 21:56:46 well it'sbeen 3m away Dec 30 21:58:24 so i'd say i probably couldn't get much cloer Dec 30 21:58:41 yeah, but I didn't recognize you and you didn't visit us :) Dec 30 21:59:18 s/cloer/closer/ Dec 30 21:59:18 DocScrutinizer2 meant: so i'd say i probably couldn't get much closer Dec 30 22:00:19 well I didn't spread business cards or write into THE book, yeah Dec 30 22:01:11 probably I was the nerd you were glad left very quickly Dec 30 22:01:46 <\marco> hi to all! Dec 30 22:01:59 Moinmoin Dec 30 22:04:51 if you liked to meet me, you could have asked Harald or Dieter from GSM (quite obvious), or join the FR meeting at openBSD booth 19:30 yesterday. Dec 30 22:05:39 I gave away all sort of hw there Dec 30 22:06:06 now you find me at cbase basement Dec 30 22:12:37 yeah, we missed this meeting Dec 30 22:13:04 yeah, read that in your host, so I assumed you've been at 25c3 before Dec 30 22:19:58 great. at least you know about /whois Dec 30 22:20:22 ;-) Dec 30 22:25:26 yeah, but in reallife that's mostly a bad idea, every time I raise my "/WHOIS ???" poster I get no answer :( Dec 30 22:26:43 bastards ;) Dec 30 22:27:53 2GB on facebook, but hiding theirnreal name on IRC Dec 30 22:29:27 well, my bat getting weak (too many nmap attacks all the time). won't be long til... Dec 30 22:41:09 hello,opkg doesn't want do downgrade a package even with -force-downgrade: http://rafb.net/p/3mdPXZ44.html Dec 30 23:07:28 hello, within SHR build system(using the Makefile) i've fatal: failed to unpack tree object d3b1136d29f88fa7bfcbedb6a195724e071cad77 Dec 30 23:07:34 what should I do? Dec 30 23:38:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r6643f5fda9da 10/framework/patterns/processguard.py: add generic process guard class Dec 30 23:38:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3f68994d0804 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Dec 30 23:38:58 freesmartphone.org: First step towards integrating Vala/C subsystems with frameworkd: Dec 30 23:38:59 freesmartphone.org: Support external subsystems. If you add a section with an 'external' attribute, then Dec 30 23:39:04 freesmartphone.org: the section will be treated as an external subsystem to launch with the path given as attribute: Dec 30 23:39:07 freesmartphone.org: [mysubsystem] Dec 30 23:39:09 freesmartphone.org: external=/foo/bar Dec 30 23:39:11 freesmartphone.org: TODO: Add 'relaunch' attribute. Dec 30 23:39:15 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf2d61c35f9c2 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Dec 30 23:39:17 freesmartphone.org: odeviced: Register objects under /org/freesmartphone/Device/Display/ also Dec 30 23:39:19 freesmartphone.org: with an numerical incremental alias -- e.g. the first display can now Dec 30 23:39:21 freesmartphone.org: also be accessed via /org/freesmartphone/Device/Display/0. Dec 30 23:39:23 freesmartphone.org: rules: Adjust the default backlight brightness rule to use display "0". Dec 30 23:39:25 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: This should be the last missing step to support Openmoko kernel Dec 30 23:39:29 freesmartphone.org: versions 2.6.24 and also >= 2.6.27 for GTA01 and GTA02. Dec 30 23:39:31 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra369198b219c 10/framework/persist.py: persist: Use cPickle instead of Python-based implementation Dec 30 23:39:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r21f62890f42c 10/framework/ (5 files in 3 dirs): move services.py and netlink.py to patterns directory Dec 30 23:39:37 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * red797b0a4f3a 10/framework/patterns/kobject.py: kobject: parse a bit more of netlink Dec 31 00:20:50 raster: you write python-elementary? Dec 31 00:21:23 yoyo: he wrote elementary Dec 31 00:21:29 ;p Dec 31 00:22:45 raster: we have a problem, is possible to run threads inside elementary based app? Dec 31 00:23:51 yoyo: no i didnt Dec 31 00:23:56 (python) Dec 31 00:24:03 me and python do not mix Dec 31 00:24:20 dos1: as long as they dont call any elementary/ecore/evas/eedje (efl) function calls Dec 31 00:24:22 you can Dec 31 00:24:26 dos1: help my to explain the problem Dec 31 00:24:32 (except for 1 that will work - ecore_pipe) Dec 31 00:25:52 raster: so from threads isn't possible to call gui? Dec 31 00:28:02 I forgot about fork, pipe :) Dec 31 00:29:49 dos1: no Dec 31 00:29:54 efl is not threadsafe Dec 31 00:30:12 ecore_pipe is a construct that is intended for thread use Dec 31 00:30:28 it sets up a pipe so a thread can talk tothe mainloop (and thus the ui) Dec 31 00:30:28 and back Dec 31 00:31:15 raster: thanks, you inspired us :D Dec 31 00:31:37 tho actually Dec 31 00:31:43 it works only back to mainloop Dec 31 00:31:45 :) Dec 31 00:32:09 but thats the problem aread anyway Dec 31 00:32:11 area Dec 31 00:32:24 u can go the other way using other pthread constructs Dec 31 00:32:37 as the threads already exist and have all the infra Dec 31 00:33:02 but with ecore_pipe u'd set up a pipe and handler in the mainloop Dec 31 00:33:14 and the thread would basically message the mainloop with ecore_pipe_write() Dec 31 00:33:23 some blob of data Dec 31 00:33:23 whatever u like Dec 31 00:34:02 raster: thanks one again, i understand :) Dec 31 00:34:15 (i think ;D) Dec 31 00:37:09 ones again* Dec 31 00:49:56 * mw| has been a bad boy and worked on non openmoko stuff the last days :-p Dec 31 00:51:54 * dos1 has been a good box and worked on openmoko stuff the last days, when he should work on other things Dec 31 00:51:58 ;) Dec 31 00:52:09 boy* Dec 31 00:52:13 ;D Dec 31 00:54:32 i want to see http://trac.freesmartphone.org/changeset/7d7d2f8b9ccd3ffa8112045ac347a9f5854e5df2 Dec 31 00:54:36 but it doesnt work Dec 31 00:55:01 did however release a version of my stuff :-p Dec 31 00:55:15 *just feel for braging* Dec 31 00:55:23 bragging Dec 31 00:55:23 in the time line page, it says "Unsupported version control system "svn"" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 31 02:59:58 2008