**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 03 02:59:57 2009
Jan 03 03:51:16 <rwhitby> dcordes: mickey|away was here yesterday
Jan 03 05:13:43 <christian> anyone here know anything about the qtopia-phone-x11 bitbake file? it seems to overwrite CFLAGS set in my local.conf
Jan 03 05:14:15 <christian> I've never really used bitbake before so I don't quite understand it
Jan 03 07:53:11 * rwhitby notes that fso-testing just built successfully for gta02 ...
Jan 03 07:53:42 <rwhitby> thats fso-image only - still to see how much of openmoko-feed builds ...
Jan 03 07:54:59 <rwhitby> ERROR: '['/home/shr/fso-testing/openembedded/packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb']' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'python-lightblue' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables
Jan 03 07:58:50 <piratebab> hello
Jan 03 08:07:42 <piratebab> I have a major problem using SHR. During incoming call, phone dont vibrate and dont ring (profile: default). Any idea ?
Jan 03 08:50:46 <mrmoku_> piratebab: is it on every incoming call? Have some logs?
Jan 03 08:58:53 <piratebab> It is on every incoming call. What log do you want ?
Jan 03 09:02:43 <piratebab> Today, it even dont indicate incoming call, but GSM is communicating (noise in speakers of host PC)
Jan 03 09:07:30 <piratebab> I try phoneLog, but it refuse to open:
Jan 03 09:07:36 <piratebab> Error Information:
Jan 03 09:07:36 <piratebab>         An exit code of 1 was returned from python /usr/bin/phonelog.
Jan 03 09:07:36 <piratebab> Output Data:
Jan 03 09:07:37 <piratebab>         There was no output
Jan 03 09:07:37 <piratebab> Error Logs:
Jan 03 09:07:38 <piratebab>         There was no error message
Jan 03 09:10:09 <piratebab> The only external program installed is navit
Jan 03 09:25:55 <mrmoku_> piratebab: /var/log/frameworkd.log
Jan 03 09:26:14 <mrmoku_> piratebab: what SHR image is it? (testing/unstable, what date)
Jan 03 09:26:28 <mrmoku_> and is ist gta01 or gta02 that you have?
Jan 03 09:26:32 <mrmoku_> -x
Jan 03 09:26:37 <mrmoku_> grr
Jan 03 09:44:19 <piratebab> gta02
Jan 03 09:48:23 <piratebab> it is testing, flashed on 01/01/09, and up to date (opkg upgrade
Jan 03 09:50:50 <budfive> anybody have ideas about http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/232 ? This is a regression. Anybody know which patch broke this, exactly?
Jan 03 09:52:19 <piratebab> I flash again my FR in order to have a clean congiguration
Jan 03 10:29:00 <tifereth> do i need any passwort to register @ shr to report a bug?
Jan 03 10:29:19 <Hire> it seems so
Jan 03 10:29:22 <tifereth> i tried to register but get an htaccess box...
Jan 03 10:29:36 <tifereth> ^^ yep
Jan 03 10:29:50 <Hire> whips ainulindale 
Jan 03 10:29:53 <Hire> my slave
Jan 03 10:30:03 <Hire> ( sexual slave )
Jan 03 10:32:05 <Hire> or my second sexual slave, quickdev
Jan 03 10:32:05 <tifereth> how can i report a bug than?
Jan 03 10:32:14 <Hire> you have to register on trac
Jan 03 10:32:16 <Hire> log in 
Jan 03 10:32:30 <tifereth> yeha i tried to register there
Jan 03 10:32:31 <Hire> and put a ticket that ainulindale closes in less 5 seconds
Jan 03 10:32:38 <tifereth> but i need the htaccess passwort
Jan 03 10:33:25 <tifereth> after the registration page there comes the htaccess box so i'm not sure if my registration was sucessful and i've just to wait for the mail
Jan 03 10:33:37 <Hire> weird
Jan 03 10:33:38 <Hire> i can login
Jan 03 10:33:49 <Hire> put you user and password ...
Jan 03 10:34:02 <Hire> in the htacccess box-of-fun
Jan 03 10:34:14 <quickdev> tifereth, no mail yet?
Jan 03 10:34:18 <tifereth> no
Jan 03 10:42:47 <mw|> wait some longer and try to login again
Jan 03 10:42:51 <mw|> :-p
Jan 03 10:46:29 <mrmoku> tifereth: in the htaccess box you can just enter your newly created password :-)
Jan 03 10:46:53 <Hire> i said that
Jan 03 10:47:13 * mrmoku was just scanning problems not solutions ;)
Jan 03 10:48:09 <mrmoku> Hire: working with two monitors is too much for my small german brain :-P
Jan 03 10:48:46 <Hire> this reminds the little fish of american dad
Jan 03 10:49:39 <Hire> mrmoku: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_(American_Dad!) <--- this
Jan 03 10:51:15 <mrmoku> Hire: hope you don't want to tell me that my brainwaves were switched.... with goldfish ones ;)
Jan 03 10:51:34 <Hire> isn't so? :(
Jan 03 11:06:08 <morphis> heyho
Jan 03 11:08:28 <Sargun> morphis, hello
Jan 03 11:09:12 <tifereth> mrmoku: so isn't there a confirmation mailß
Jan 03 11:09:14 <tifereth> ?
Jan 03 11:12:22 <mrmoku> tifereth: don't think so... at least I don't remember to have gotten one
Jan 03 11:12:39 <tifereth> well but i can't login anyway
Jan 03 11:38:26 <piratebab> I have flashed again, and it is OK
Jan 03 11:38:36 <piratebab> I try an update
Jan 03 12:33:27 <ingi> Hi, I "accidentally" edited my 'openembedded/packages/task-openmoko-feed.bb' file and now I want to revert to the one from the repository 'git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded'. Does anyone know how to fetch just one file using 'git' ? 
Jan 03 12:42:55 <bartv> ingi: you can just do git checkout openembedded/packages/task-openmoko-feed.bb
Jan 03 12:55:28 <alexxy> hi all!
Jan 03 12:55:47 <ingi> bartv: ok, thanks, I'll try that. I had already tried another variant of the 'checkout' command, but I did not specify the file like this. 
Jan 03 12:55:50 <alexxy> is there some pimm app for framework enabled images?
Jan 03 13:00:22 <h4v> alexxy: there are some people working on opimd
Jan 03 13:00:42 <alexxy> thats good
Jan 03 13:00:58 <h4v> i'm waiting fot it too :)
Jan 03 13:01:16 <alexxy> for me its the last stopper before migration o fso based images
Jan 03 13:01:32 <alexxy> qtopia-x11 has good pimm addressbook
Jan 03 13:35:58 <viq> What is this exposure.py thing?
Jan 03 13:36:49 <bumbl> viq: the settings app is called exposure
Jan 03 13:37:17 <viq> Hm. I didn't run it, and it was taking all of CPU...
Jan 03 13:37:51 <bumbl> nice
Jan 03 13:37:55 <bumbl> distro?
Jan 03 13:38:25 <viq> shr-unstable
Jan 03 13:38:58 <bumbl> hmm strange
Jan 03 14:03:42 <mrmoku> viq: had that also some times... and never got around to track it down :(
Jan 03 14:10:25 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r140708477068 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: kernel26: remove deprecated API in PowerSupply, add some new calls
Jan 03 14:10:27 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r713a0e2b626e 10/ (28 files in 5 dirs): 
Jan 03 14:10:27 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Add the new module kobject patterns that wraps uevent and rtnetlink notifications.
Jan 03 14:10:27 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: This will be used to substitute route some polling in pdp and other modules.
Jan 03 14:10:28 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: NOTE: To assist netlink parsing, we include the cxutil and cxnet packages
Jan 03 14:10:30 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: from python-connexion in the framework. For more details, see
Jan 03 14:10:32 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: http://www.radlinux.org/connexion/wiki
Jan 03 14:10:34 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: Add cxnet and cxutil as per 0.4.6 SVN rev 1681
Jan 03 14:46:30 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rebb4ade5e6f4 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): odeviced: kernel26: Use common KObjectDispatcher
Jan 03 14:52:04 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1e152891148b 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: odeviced: kernel26: fix parameters in KObjectDispatcher callback
Jan 03 15:53:57 <sylar91> hi, I completed the first version of ecalc ^^
Jan 03 16:14:37 <Zorkman> anyone know where this bluetooth gui for shr comes from? : http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/cf64b0c2c011010ca3cb7f6d7dabe373.png
Jan 03 16:20:21 <dos1> Zorkman: look at "kasjo-desktop"
Jan 03 16:21:16 <dos1> Zorkman: kasjo is on #openmoko.pl, i told him that you are asking about his app
Jan 03 16:28:01 <Zorkman> thanks dos1
Jan 03 16:32:38 <TAsn> dos1, is the scap of minefield 
Jan 03 16:32:43 <TAsn> grr, is it you?
Jan 03 16:32:49 <dos1> TAsn: yep
Jan 03 16:32:55 <TAsn> how is it? ;]
Jan 03 16:33:13 <dos1> very sloooow
Jan 03 16:33:23 <dos1> but faster than fennec on default settings
Jan 03 16:34:04 <dos1> but fennec with lower dpi (72) is faster
Jan 03 16:34:20 <TAsn> are you using fastscaling?
Jan 03 16:34:25 <TAsn> minimo rules!
Jan 03 16:34:27 <dos1> TAsn: yes
Jan 03 16:34:48 <TAsn> i see.
Jan 03 16:34:49 <TAsn> cool.
Jan 03 16:34:54 <TAsn> how's the gimp?
Jan 03 16:35:10 <dos1> i didn't test it with fastscaling yet
Jan 03 16:35:20 <TAsn> I c. cool.
Jan 03 16:35:28 <TAsn> I'm sorry for bugging you, it's just very interesting.
Jan 03 16:35:36 <TAsn> I really want to know what this moko is capable of . ;]
Jan 03 16:35:41 <TAsn> and you are stress testing it . ;]
Jan 03 16:53:17 <sylar91> ecalc 0.1 -> opkg install http://sylar-stuff.googlecode.com/files/ecalc_0.1-r0_armv4t.ipk
Jan 03 16:54:32 <sylar91> feedbacks are welcome :=
Jan 03 16:54:34 <sylar91> =)
Jan 03 16:56:09 <lindi-> isn't the world already full of calculator programs? ;)
Jan 03 16:57:36 <sylar91> lindi-: there is only one basic gtk calculator and one scientific emulator so.... no, any etk calculator :) (except ecalc :D )
Jan 03 16:58:17 <lindi-> sylar91: why not have calculator that supports multiple UIs?
Jan 03 16:58:39 <lindi-> sylar91: only one basic gtk calculator? hmm
Jan 03 16:59:11 <sylar91> lindi-: in fr's distributions...
Jan 03 17:04:17 <lindi-> sylar91: doesn't debian count?
Jan 03 17:04:46 <sylar91> lindi-: ok, you won :) so my ecalc isn't usefull, ok? :D
Jan 03 17:06:24 <lindi-> sylar91: it might still be useful to write one in order to learn
Jan 03 17:06:48 <orzo> i'm having trouble setting up x for a bluetooth keyboard
Jan 03 17:06:58 <orzo> it says it's failing to load pEvdev
Jan 03 17:07:08 <sylar91> lindi-: I think the GUI is better one for illume :)
Jan 03 17:07:10 <orzo> in debain
Jan 03 17:08:27 <lindi-> orzo: which X server?
Jan 03 17:08:35 <orzo> xorg
Jan 03 17:08:56 <orzo> fbdev
Jan 03 17:09:12 <orzo> on neo1973 
Jan 03 17:09:13 <lindi-> orzo: i must confess that i do not have a bt keyboard and i do not know how to make my PC to appear as one so i can't test :/
Jan 03 18:55:08 <dcordes_> mickeyl: I tried to debug the pppd but logread doesn't work
Jan 03 18:56:13 <bumbl> dcordes_: what's the progress of linux on the old htcs?
Jan 03 18:56:40 <dcordes_> bumbl: which old htcs?
Jan 03 18:56:49 <bumbl> s/old//
Jan 03 18:56:49 <bzzbot> bumbl meant: dcordes_: what's the progress of linux on the  htcs?
Jan 03 18:57:01 <bumbl> dcordes_: on the pre-g1 htcs
Jan 03 18:57:26 <bumbl> on those which run win mobile
Jan 03 18:57:28 <bumbl> you are working on that, aren't you?
Jan 03 18:59:13 <dcordes_> well g1 is very similar to the other recent htc devices
Jan 03 19:01:49 <dcordes_> mostly differences in the AMSS
Jan 03 19:03:05 <bumbl> well that's an important part of the phone
Jan 03 19:17:17 <dcordes_> indeed
Jan 03 19:34:10 <mickeyl> dcordes_: syslogd -C
Jan 03 21:33:16 <dolf1074> somebody who knows the magic command to start the gps?
Jan 03 21:33:24 <dolf1074> I forget it again =(
Jan 03 21:33:32 <dos1> fso-gpsd
Jan 03 21:33:55 <dolf1074> thanks
Jan 03 22:51:21 <dolf1074> Ainulindale: do I already have access to shr-themes.git?
Jan 03 23:35:45 <gnutoo-laptop> hello, is there the author of phonelog here? phonelog always crashes: http://rafb.net/p/PYZkXh83.html
Jan 04 01:13:31 <mw|> I've started some very few basic tests on ophonekitd, considering dbus-fault handling
Jan 04 01:19:55 <Digital_Pioneer> Hi. I'm sick of apps locking up and me having to pull up a terminal and killall them, so I want to make a script that will kill -9 whatever app is in the foreground; and have this script called from siglaunchd when I do some predefined button-pushing. Can someone tell me how I might get a handle (such as PID) of the app in the foreground, programmatically speaking?
Jan 04 01:21:29 <mw|> Digital_Pioneer: You would need to query the X server about that
Jan 04 01:21:50 <Digital_Pioneer> mw|: I feared as much. I have no idea how to do that.
Jan 04 01:22:24 <mw|> Digital_Pioneer: I don't know if any known console-tools exposes that info
Jan 04 01:22:46 <Digital_Pioneer> I'm not a developer... I'm barely a programmer. I know C++ fairly well, but I don't know a lick of GUI programming, and I'm still very young in the source. :P
Jan 04 01:23:09 <king> I am trying to use a regular keyboard on the openmoko. I need help in simplifying the following line given at the wiki http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Tweaks?version=15:
Jan 04 01:23:29 <king> just remplace /etc/X11/Xserver by this one:
Jan 04 01:23:30 <king> http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=blob_plain;f=packages/xserver-kdrive-common/xserver-kdrive-common/openmoko/Xserver;h=a26c5c2d702dd427529f5c67e94058456bc49407
Jan 04 01:23:32 <king> How is that a file?
Jan 04 01:23:38 <Digital_Pioneer> mw|: So there's no handy dbus call I can make or something?
Jan 04 01:24:07 <mw|> Digital_Pioneer: could be that Enlightenment window manager has it, I don't know
Jan 04 01:24:21 <Digital_Pioneer> OK.
Jan 04 01:26:58 <mw|> king: wget "http://git.openmoko.org/?p=openmoko.git;a=blob_plain;f=packages/xserver-kdrive-common/xserver-kdrive-common/openmoko/Xserver;h=a26c5c2d702dd427529f5c67e94058456bc49407"
Jan 04 01:27:26 <mw|> remember the quotes, due to the ; characters in the url
Jan 04 01:27:56 <king> mwester, Will this file get replaced when I run opkg ugrade?
Jan 04 01:28:09 <mw|> wget will then store the file.. filename will probably be a bit silly, but that you can rename
Jan 04 01:28:25 <king> Will this file get replaced when I run opkg upgrade?
Jan 04 01:28:37 <mw|> don't know
Jan 04 01:29:02 <king> Is it regularly updated?
Jan 04 01:29:05 <mw|> hopefully, these "fixes" will be merged into the packages
Jan 04 01:29:11 <Digital_Pioneer> Semicolons in a URL... Don't query strings usually use ampersands? :P
Jan 04 01:29:38 <mw|> Digital_Pioneer: ; character is not required to be escaped with ampersands
Jan 04 01:30:04 <king> Digital_Pioneer, I don't find any screenshots there? What is the command to install it? Is it there in the SHR repos? Is it finger friendly?
Jan 04 01:30:13 <mw|> and when I think about it, URL is escaped with %, not amperstands
Jan 04 01:30:53 <Digital_Pioneer> mw|: Those aren't escaping, they are separating var=value pairs...
Jan 04 01:31:09 <mw|> ( & is used by server-side to split arguments per SERVER-CGI standard )
Jan 04 01:31:16 <Digital_Pioneer> king: It's not bad. I like it because it's weird. :P
Jan 04 01:31:49 <Digital_Pioneer> king: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qwo
Jan 04 01:32:08 <mw|> Digital_Pioneer: you can implement whatever argument-splitting scheme you want actually.. the ? and & is only used by HTML FORM standard
Jan 04 01:32:23 <mw|> and is not part of the HTTP standard
Jan 04 01:33:02 <Digital_Pioneer> Reasonable enough, but wouldn't the change require a reconfig of the server?
Jan 04 01:33:03 <king> mw|, A funny file name like you saved downloaded and it is already set as executable! Do I change its name to Xserver?
Jan 04 01:34:11 <mw|> Digital_Pioneer: no, the entire string behind the ? is sent to the CGI if CGI is the method used by the server... git and friends often use DAV, which plugs them directly into the webserver, so they can do whatever parsing they want for the entire URL string
Jan 04 01:34:48 <Digital_Pioneer> Hmm, OK.
Jan 04 01:34:52 <mw|> king: yes
Jan 04 01:35:11 <king> mw|, thanks
Jan 04 01:36:31 <king> Digital_Pioneer, It IS really weird :)
Jan 04 01:36:52 <Digital_Pioneer> king: Indeed. :) But I can see how it would be faster once you're used to it.
Jan 04 01:36:59 <Digital_Pioneer> Still not massively finger-friendly though. :(
Jan 04 01:37:10 <king> Digital_Pioneer, :(
Jan 04 01:37:12 <Digital_Pioneer> And I don't have big fingers.
Jan 04 01:37:23 <king> Digital_Pioneer, Additionally it would require some lot of layout adjustment also, wouldn't it?
Jan 04 01:37:30 <king> *-some
Jan 04 01:37:33 <Digital_Pioneer> Yeah, a fair bit.
Jan 04 01:37:53 <king> Digital_Pioneer, Have you seen Android's new on screen KBD?
Jan 04 01:38:01 * king has put it in his wishlist
Jan 04 01:38:37 <king> Digital_Pioneer, Which is the fastest, non-stylus KBD you have used?
Jan 04 01:44:16 <Digital_Pioneer> king: Nope.
Jan 04 01:44:44 <Digital_Pioneer> king: Haven't tried one that has been particularly good without a stylus.
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