**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 06 02:59:56 2009 Jan 06 05:03:00 anyone happen to know where i can find info on using e17 libs in c - mainly, i want to set the text in a text part? Jan 06 05:21:43 raster, got a sec? i'm having trouble finding the documentation i need for an app using efl Jan 06 05:27:00 oh Jan 06 05:27:04 well... there you go Jan 06 05:27:04 :) Jan 06 08:24:07 geygi Jan 06 08:44:37 anyone around with access to the shr wiki? Jan 06 08:56:16 Hey Jan 06 08:56:27 PaulFertser, have you tested your patch since you made it? Jan 06 09:01:18 mickey, what's at%em doing? Jan 06 09:07:00 quickdev: i'm using it since i made it. Jan 06 09:07:16 PaulFertser, no problems so far? Jan 06 09:08:02 quickdev: as you can remember, the very first version had problems with GPRS because encoding wasn't set. But as soon as i discovered it, i fixed it and notified you here. Jan 06 09:08:20 PaulFertser, yeah..but since then no problems for you? Jan 06 09:12:05 quickdev: my usage patterns were unusual for me for several days, i had no desktop around and i used GPRS a lot and so on... Several times i saw the system using all the CPU to iowait. And i can't on earth figure which process does it... So, i can't say whether it's related to the fix or not, i've never tried to use so much GPRS before etc. Jan 06 09:16:08 quickdev: quatrox, who has a good GPRS plan, tested it yesterday and confirmed that with this patch he's able to download any amount of data (and before that it was only 192kB or so for him). Jan 06 09:16:29 glad to hear :) Jan 06 09:16:34 Ainulindale, here? Jan 06 09:19:10 quickdev: my problems manifest itself by "pppd: page allocation failure" in dmesg. And that's because in-kernel ppp_deflate for some reason is unable to alloc_pages :( Jan 06 09:21:55 Oh, and btw, fbpanel seems to be leaky. Jan 06 09:46:20 quickdev: there Jan 06 09:54:01 mickey|bs are you around? Jan 06 10:13:42 Can someone tell me when the next major upgrade / version is going to be delivered for SHR? I am looking at this page, http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/roadmap, and the MS1 is already 3 months late with 20 active tickets. Jan 06 10:14:18 Can some developer tell me where I can find where the major efforts are concentrated (The SHR page contains very little information), and what is coming in the future? Jan 06 10:16:26 Ainulindale, Would you address these questions? Jan 06 10:17:20 I will wait here till someone 'in the know' chances upon these questions. Jan 06 10:19:33 king: the date wass informative, we won't release until it's stable enough Jan 06 10:20:15 Ainulindale, What date are you referring to? Can you tell in what areas the major work is going on and where that information is coordinated? Jan 06 10:21:48 king: the release date Jan 06 10:22:08 The current work is on stabilisation Jan 06 10:22:25 The information is mostly coordinated on the ML for the ideas/initiatives, then here for technical discussion Jan 06 10:22:50 Ainulindale, Alright. So the 'feature set' for the MS1 is complete, the work now is concerned with stabilisation. Jan 06 10:23:13 Yep Jan 06 10:23:14 Ainulindale, Where can I get the list of packages / brief description of the packages that are supported / are being developed specifically for SHR? Jan 06 10:23:31 Well on git mostly :-) Jan 06 10:23:42 There's no strict description but my architecture schema Jan 06 10:24:59 Ainulindale, If I want the latest packages / kernel always would a opkg upgrade get stuff from git or should I rather get the newest images and reflash? Jan 06 10:25:37 Ainulindale, Is someone working on documentation for the software components to put up on a wiki / SHR homepage? I may be able to contribute If I am told where it is scattered. Jan 06 10:26:53 dcordes_: around, but we have a meeting now Jan 06 10:31:36 king: Well I'd like someone to work on documentation, we need that Jan 06 10:31:46 And unfortunately it'll mostly be from scratch :-) Jan 06 10:32:03 For upgrade, when we break the upgrade path I tell it it so on the ML/blog Jan 06 10:35:23 mickey|bs ok nvm Jan 06 10:36:06 Ainulindale, I am not as competent to write it from scratch... Jan 06 10:39:07 king: Yes you are Jan 06 10:39:10 You just have to ask question :-) Jan 06 10:39:13 +s Jan 06 10:39:38 Ainulindale, I may ask so many questions and waste your time, you may be better of doing it from scratch! THAT is the point :-) Jan 06 10:39:54 I'd rather you waste my time Jan 06 10:40:05 I seriously have no time to do it myself and you'll benefit from our discussion Jan 06 10:40:14 And it'll help you to be autonomous Jan 06 10:40:17 So please, don't worry about that Jan 06 10:40:27 And by the way, did you solve your sim problem? Jan 06 10:40:31 Because mickey|bs here had suggestions Jan 06 10:40:40 It may be a sim seating problem Jan 06 10:40:58 Ainulindale, Yes, I have documented how it magically solved itself here, http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/238 Jan 06 10:41:25 Ainulindale, Basically the new SIM card shamed SHR into working with my old SIM :-) Jan 06 10:41:38 king: well if you reflash do you have to redo the manipulation? Jan 06 10:42:21 Ainulindale, I haven't reflashed yet, but I will have to check. Jan 06 10:46:26 Ainulindale, What would be the absolute minimum linux knowledge that you would expect from me? Jan 06 10:46:47 king: None but being able to explain yourself in clear and simple words Jan 06 10:46:53 That's why I find it interesting that you know nothing Jan 06 10:47:01 (about that, I mean) Jan 06 10:48:11 Ainulindale, Its a deal then! I have actually setup thin clien labs with a TFTP server which PXE boot from a ubuntu server, and setup LAMP and blogs and wikis. But I hope you understand I haven't dabbled into kernel level stuff. Jan 06 10:48:16 at all. Jan 06 10:48:24 We don't care about that Jan 06 10:48:35 What I'd care about is to have someone able to maintain a serious documentation Jan 06 10:48:40 Because we obviously lack that Jan 06 10:48:43 On the user point of view Jan 06 10:49:16 Ainulindale, Its good that I can contribute to SHR without kernel level knowledge. Jan 06 10:49:36 Ainulindale, How do you propose we go about doing it? What are the immediate / most urgent documents required? Jan 06 10:49:51 Ainulindale, Do you have any ML archive / documentation that I should read up on for background knowledge? Jan 06 10:50:01 well there's the shr-devel ML Jan 06 10:50:20 But what I'd suggest would be to review the existing documents Jan 06 10:50:33 And to modify them if necessary Jan 06 10:50:38 Did you try to build your own image? Jan 06 10:52:00 king, don't contribute to SHR, contribute to to the entire project as a whole, become a wiki editor Jan 06 10:53:10 Ainulindale: What kind of phone is the a780... Should we build images for it? Jan 06 10:53:18 Sargun: And what is SHR but an entire project? Jan 06 10:53:40 mrmoku: Currently I think this is out of the question, we should focus on OM devices, then add other as time goes on Jan 06 10:53:57 First release, then upgrade :-) Jan 06 10:53:58 ok, stable release first :-) Jan 06 10:54:14 I'd like to fulfill positions for the SHR projects these days Jan 06 10:54:24 e.g. official ticket reviewer Jan 06 10:54:36 isn't the a780 basically junk Jan 06 10:54:43 Ainulindale, No I haven't built an image yet. Jan 06 10:55:14 Sargun: don't know... that's why I ask... I noticed rwithby added support for it to the fso-makefile Jan 06 10:55:23 king: then you should try Jan 06 10:55:35 so I asked. But I think Ainulindale is perfectly right to concentrate on a stable release first Jan 06 10:55:37 mrmoku, we have some distro on the a780, not sure which one Jan 06 10:55:40 Sargun: does the fact that you think something is junk justify that we shouldn't work with it? Jan 06 10:56:02 SHR is a community driven project, do you really think it does not worth the pain to fulfill community needs? Jan 06 10:56:16 Sargun: well, at least a fso-console-image I think Jan 06 10:56:26 Well anyway, I'm going to eat. Jan 06 10:56:37 Ainulindale, I gather that the only currently written documents are the 8 pages here http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki Jan 06 10:56:56 Ainulindale, Last question, are there any pages that we can use / refer to / I should read from the OM wiki? Jan 06 10:57:10 For SHR, no Jan 06 10:57:12 We don't need duplicates Jan 06 10:57:24 I'll talk to you again in half an hour, let me eat :-) Jan 06 10:57:42 Ainulindale, Sure. We'l probably meet a little later than that. Jan 06 10:57:58 Ainulindale, No, I'm saying there are more important things to be worked on IMHO Jan 06 10:58:18 Ainulindale, Like organizing the wiki, writing better developer documentation, etc.... Jan 06 10:58:28 Ainulindale, verifying bugs. Jan 06 11:01:17 Ainulindale how is the payment? Jan 06 11:09:46 btw, how are things with the gta03 board going? Jan 06 11:19:14 hi folks Jan 06 11:20:14 hi budfive Jan 06 11:20:14 hi bumbl Jan 06 11:20:14 hi bumbl Jan 06 11:32:08 Ainulindale: see scap lately? Jan 06 11:33:50 he's the scap-man... of the scap man... Jan 06 11:43:03 Here again Jan 06 11:43:16 raster: Please go and kill yourself immediately :-) Jan 06 11:43:33 :-P~ Jan 06 11:43:48 dcordes_: the payment? Jan 06 11:44:02 kd8ikt: you're dumb :-p Jan 06 11:44:46 wo Jan 06 11:44:55 we have a visceral frenchie today :) Jan 06 11:45:51 That's because it's cold out there Jan 06 11:46:05 hello Jan 06 11:46:11 ping raster Jan 06 11:46:19 pong Jan 06 11:47:43 hello raster, i play a bit with elementary and i have a few questions about positioning and the size of objects Jan 06 11:48:13 bt.size_hint_weight_set(-1.0, 0.0) Jan 06 11:48:20 what means -1.0 and 0.0? Jan 06 11:48:25 raster: ah ! You can't hide now, can you? Jan 06 11:49:09 -1 == "fill the area given to the widget" Jan 06 11:49:18 0.0 -> 1.0 == alignement (left to right, or top to bottom) Jan 06 11:49:21 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/3e49e1d6b4f7679764ac8d40998b1f8f.png and how can i do the same as in the gtk sample? Jan 06 11:49:25 and the item will be sized at its minimum size Jan 06 11:49:27 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/7407e494cbe3262c0d5b6078dea5646a.png Jan 06 11:49:32 fill the complete window Jan 06 11:49:52 set weight for box 1.0 1.0, align -1.0 -1.0 Jan 06 11:50:01 and same for each button in the box Jan 06 11:52:55 so i take it you saw my doodle on scap? Jan 06 11:53:02 raster: cool great, it works :) Jan 06 11:53:35 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4c6497a1656c66d790e08249074f3228.png thanks raster :) Jan 06 11:53:53 panties on Jan 06 11:53:53 :) Jan 06 11:54:06 and it loosk nice and pretty Jan 06 11:54:08 :) Jan 06 11:54:24 s/Platzhalter/placeholder/ Jan 06 11:54:28 denglish sucks Jan 06 11:54:37 hahahhaa Jan 06 11:54:42 platzholder :) Jan 06 11:54:49 the menu or the or draft from kd8ikt @ raster ? Jan 06 11:54:50 :) Jan 06 11:55:03 the menu Jan 06 11:55:06 bumbl: i like denglish :) Jan 06 11:55:29 hailand sacrament Jan 06 11:55:31 err Jan 06 11:55:32 heiland Jan 06 11:55:35 (i think) Jan 06 11:55:49 how on earth do you type schwäbisch? Jan 06 11:56:01 raster: thanks. We have discussed for a longer time about menus for power and aux, thats it ;) Jan 06 11:56:08 raster: Thomas showed me elm-sms on the 25c3 btw, looks really sweet Jan 06 11:56:15 raster: maybe you can help my with gui too http://pastebin.com/m10929c05 ? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/5d807ba1b8a26fefc11f1f15ee1b6c90.png Jan 06 11:56:38 Hey yoyo Jan 06 11:56:41 alphaone: ohg thomas is @ ccc? Jan 06 11:56:44 morning world Jan 06 11:56:44 or was? Jan 06 11:56:44 * bumbl does not greet anyone with the schwaebisch grusz Jan 06 11:56:47 I don't have your key for the repository on shr git Jan 06 11:56:51 Was, yeah Jan 06 11:56:52 dolf1074: hey Jan 06 11:57:00 http://nopaste.de/p/awnUJ9AtW <= raster a xml file where you can write a title and a command for execute and the python script will create the buttons out of the script Jan 06 11:57:00 hey, thanks for the access Jan 06 11:57:09 you're welcome, sorry again for the delay Jan 06 11:57:18 np, you're a busy men :p Jan 06 11:57:29 I wasn't when you asked me Jan 06 11:57:32 Just bored with SHR Jan 06 11:57:40 alphaone: and working on the sms app - i need a list now.. and i'm implementing it Jan 06 11:57:43 Can happen Jan 06 11:57:47 started today Jan 06 11:57:55 raster: any plans on doing a file chooser widget or a dropdownbox? Jan 06 11:58:01 with a list - my contact selector will work Jan 06 11:58:12 and i can just hook in an entry with some callbacks Jan 06 11:58:14 dolf1074: yeah, I just have too many things on my hands Jan 06 11:58:14 and a send button Jan 06 11:58:18 well alreayd have that Jan 06 11:58:22 just need to hook it all in Jan 06 11:58:23 I need people helping me with tons of stuff Jan 06 11:58:34 and then... some other "workign bits" hooked in Jan 06 11:58:38 yeah, I know. Jan 06 11:58:39 and ... then need to glue in fso Jan 06 11:58:50 bumbl: hoversel is basically a dropdown Jan 06 11:58:52 common people get together :) Jan 06 11:59:01 see elementary_test Jan 06 11:59:15 filesel - maybe much later Jan 06 11:59:20 fir now - no. Jan 06 11:59:27 its the "much more complex widget" end of things Jan 06 12:00:20 yoyo: ok. Jan 06 12:00:21 # Jan 06 12:00:21 namel.size_hint_align_set(0.0, 0.0) Jan 06 12:00:24 make that Jan 06 12:00:36 namel.size_hint_align_set(-1.0, 0.0) Jan 06 12:00:59 and u'll be closer Jan 06 12:01:22 no - dont have a "number selector" widget so u'll need the buttons+label arrangement for now Jan 06 12:07:02 raster: well hoversel does not look that good for that what i want to do Jan 06 12:09:03 yoyo? Jan 06 12:09:06 raster: I dliko to have label (name of state) on left fill expand, buttons - + and value on right. it is posible ? Jan 06 12:09:17 Ainulindale: yes ? Jan 06 12:09:27 yoyo: 12:56:47 < Ainulindale> I don't have your key for the repository on shr git Jan 06 12:09:35 yoyo: (for shr-settings) Jan 06 12:09:46 dos sent me hiciu's and his' key Jan 06 12:09:54 He didn't have yours Jan 06 12:10:27 Ainulindale: I don't want to have any key :) I make it for fun Jan 06 12:10:45 Errr it's not a matter of wanting or having Jan 06 12:10:53 If you want to commit to the git, you need a key Jan 06 12:11:03 And I need that key to give you access Jan 06 12:11:24 Ainulindale: I'm right now able to commit to svn Jan 06 12:11:31 Yeah, but you're going to migrate to svn Jan 06 12:11:35 err Jan 06 12:11:36 git Jan 06 12:11:43 To the SHR git in fact. Jan 06 12:13:05 Ainulindale: ok how to make the key? Jan 06 12:13:14 yoyo: that should do it Jan 06 12:13:16 raster: is it possible to get a plain label to be clickable Jan 06 12:13:27 ooh set weight for name1 to 1.0 0.0 as well Jan 06 12:13:33 and no Jan 06 12:13:37 labels are not clickable Jan 06 12:13:42 yoyo: query :-) Jan 06 12:14:14 hmm that's the problem why hoversel does not look that good for what i want to do Jan 06 12:15:28 anyway raster i love how the anchorblock and anchorview looks and works Jan 06 12:15:40 :) Jan 06 12:15:55 thats meant for displaying blobks of text - but with "links' in it Jan 06 12:16:05 yeah i know Jan 06 12:16:10 the link (anchors) is somethng u want to react to Jan 06 12:16:12 a sms app with this is Jan 06 12:16:14 perfect Jan 06 12:16:19 or a note app Jan 06 12:16:21 mostly i'd just say a hover pops up giving a bunch of actions Jan 06 12:16:29 yup Jan 06 12:16:31 thats the idea Jan 06 12:16:33 very simple Jan 06 12:16:41 iphone take that :p Jan 06 12:16:46 but enough for uses in phone and limited screen/input devices Jan 06 12:17:53 it also looks pretty Jan 06 12:17:54 :) Jan 06 12:18:04 one thing i need to do a bit later is do an alternate theme for elementary Jan 06 12:18:12 somehting signficantly differet Jan 06 12:18:14 different Jan 06 12:18:19 i thought dolf1074 does that Jan 06 12:18:27 maybe somethng that looks like notepad/paper and like you scribbled it Jan 06 12:18:41 so your ui looks like a note you just took down Jan 06 12:18:42 :) Jan 06 12:19:03 raster: with namel an 1.0 0.0 it looks like http://d3p.pl/tmp/shr_settings2.png Jan 06 12:20:25 err sorry Jan 06 12:20:26 -1.0 0.5 Jan 06 12:20:29 is what u want Jan 06 12:21:11 hey DocScrutinizer2 o/ Jan 06 12:22:29 Ainulindale: virulent hi! (don't tell my dr.med.!) Jan 06 12:22:48 raster: no hanges Jan 06 12:23:39 DocScrutinizer2: Ill? :-) Jan 06 12:23:56 ? Jan 06 12:23:58 hanges? Jan 06 12:24:32 raster: no diff Jan 06 12:24:52 Ainulindale: yup :-/ my doc forbid me leaving bed for 7d now Jan 06 12:25:17 DocScrutinizer2: what's that? Jan 06 12:25:22 hmm Jan 06 12:25:24 should be Jan 06 12:26:12 hmm Jan 06 12:26:22 set weight 1.0 1.0 on boxS Jan 06 12:27:13 Ainulindale: it's called flu I guess Jan 06 12:29:04 raster: prity good but http://d3p.pl/tmp/shr_settings3.png Jan 06 12:34:16 umm Jan 06 12:34:33 did u set align for name1 to -1.0 0.0 Jan 06 12:34:33 ? Jan 06 12:34:44 (oh also set weight to 1.0 1.0 for name1 too) Jan 06 12:37:33 raster: name1 is not expanding :/ Jan 06 12:38:02 or expanding but having align right Jan 06 12:38:10 hm shoudl actually be -1.0 0.5 Jan 06 12:38:17 but .. thats not the problem Jan 06 12:38:42 boxS is set to -1.0 0.5 for align Jan 06 12:38:47 and 1.0 1.0 for weight? Jan 06 12:39:21 it looks like boxS ising expanding (or filling) box1 Jan 06 12:41:44 hihi. »perl -e 'print "\eP\$q\nwhoami \n\e\\"' > cat.me Jan 06 12:41:54 « Jan 06 12:44:37 xterm only Jan 06 12:58:15 Ainulindale: Can I also get access to shr-overlay.git (for adding my bb file) and access to shr.git for adding fix for bug 219? Jan 06 12:59:27 bug 219? Jan 06 12:59:47 yes Jan 06 12:59:51 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/219 Jan 06 12:59:56 Yeah just saw it Jan 06 12:59:58 No problem Jan 06 13:00:35 dolf1074: heere you are Jan 06 13:00:38 thanks Jan 06 13:00:42 You're welcome Jan 06 13:01:37 raster: after some random changes I have result :) http://d3p.pl/tmp/shr_settings4.png Jan 06 13:04:53 is anyone working on such a case? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Digital_gaming#Concept Jan 06 13:05:03 yoyo: it's still a bit unaligned Jan 06 13:05:18 (depending on the number of digits) Jan 06 13:06:22 Ainulindale: bicouse label with value (13. -1,..) have diffrent width. it shoud by solid Jan 06 13:06:44 yeah I know :-) Jan 06 13:06:48 Just telling you :-) Jan 06 13:08:00 Ainulindale: btw http://openmoko.opendevice.org/svn/trunk/shr-settings/ Jan 06 13:08:50 Thanks :-) Jan 06 13:08:59 You see, that's what I think it'll be better when you'll be on SHR git :-) Jan 06 13:09:02 easier to find Jan 06 13:09:03 I can make ipk if you want Jan 06 13:09:13 Do you have a bb recipe ? Jan 06 13:09:16 (bitbake) Jan 06 13:09:32 yoyo: by the way Jan 06 13:09:40 you shouldn't kill ophonekitd to kill GSM Jan 06 13:09:43 yes I have but I don't know how exacly use it Jan 06 13:09:46 THere's a dbus method now in ophonekitd Jan 06 13:10:10 check the old shr-settings you'll see Jan 06 13:10:27 Ainulindale: at GSM on off it is using dbus command to power up or dow antena :) Jan 06 13:10:42 it's wrong Jan 06 13:10:44 it shouldn't do that Jan 06 13:10:53 and that's not what the wiki page says anyway Jan 06 13:11:20 yyy I have plan to make alternative to ophonekitd it sax Jan 06 13:11:51 yoyo: sorry, didn't get that, could you try to repeat? :-) Jan 06 13:12:16 yoyo: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr.git;a=blob;f=shr-settings/src/expos/gsm.py;h=f347d1e6af4375242a585b6c138c4fccf8bbd463;hb=HEAD Jan 06 13:12:24 line 99 Jan 06 13:12:28 Ainulindale: yyyy if I dlike to put off GSM you say I shoud kill ophonekitd Jan 06 13:12:39 No Jan 06 13:12:44 I may have said that in the past Jan 06 13:12:48 But it's a wrong way to do it Jan 06 13:12:58 I implemented a month ago dbus methods in ophonekitd Jan 06 13:13:03 To be able to release/request resource in its name Jan 06 13:13:05 That's the proper way Jan 06 13:13:13 Have a look at the URL I just pasted Jan 06 13:13:20 yes Jan 06 13:13:27 It's cleaner :-) Jan 06 13:14:28 ok but it is opensource in the future there will by diffrent phone gui not ophonekitd and ? kiling ophonekitd will by bed Jan 06 13:14:47 framewok is a main framework and it shoud manage hordware Jan 06 13:15:20 example I have motorola e680i and if I turn off antena gsm, bt gows off Jan 06 13:15:53 all aplication get inf. about antena off state and I can't send file and so on Jan 06 13:16:15 is thene one word witout error ? :P Jan 06 13:16:23 there Jan 06 13:17:27 yoyo: killing ophonekitd can't be better Jan 06 13:17:45 yoyo: if ophonekitd gets the GSM resource, the only way to release it properly is to release it as ophonekitd Jan 06 13:17:50 And ophonekitd doesn't handle just the GSM Jan 06 13:18:08 So the only proper way to switch off the GSM and only the GSM in SHR is to release it through ophonekitd Jan 06 13:18:11 Trust me on this Jan 06 13:18:47 If you kill ophonekitd, you also kill phonelog/auto suspend for example Jan 06 13:18:54 ANd all the future features we'll include in it Jan 06 13:19:04 Ainulindale: ok I will add it. after implementing call backs from edbus in gsm module (in shr-settings) Jan 06 13:19:20 No problem :-) Jan 06 13:19:28 hyyy I see you have gta02 Jan 06 13:19:33 And a GTA01 Jan 06 13:19:43 but you using 02 Jan 06 13:20:02 correct ? Jan 06 13:20:04 yes Jan 06 13:20:06 why? Jan 06 13:20:06 :) Jan 06 13:20:38 I have only gta01 and on it isint so priti auto suspend don't work. Jan 06 13:20:58 yeah that's a known issue Jan 06 13:21:06 I'll correct it asap Jan 06 13:21:12 We have to figure out how to get a working kernel Jan 06 13:21:36 I made a sh file for suspend Jan 06 13:22:14 yoyo: you can suspend with illume power menu Jan 06 13:22:26 yoyo: it's already calling frameworkd Jan 06 13:22:32 it stops fs-gpsd and after a weak suspend and resume work fine Jan 06 13:22:40 yoyo: you don't have to do that like that Jan 06 13:22:46 check /etc/enlightenment/sysactions.conf Jan 06 13:22:55 the power menu of illume uses that Jan 06 13:23:07 I don't have power menu :) Jan 06 13:23:12 it's on a short press on the power button or when you click the cross in the menu when you're on the home screen Jan 06 13:23:19 yoyo: display the desktop on your device Jan 06 13:23:26 unfold the illume menu Jan 06 13:23:33 click on the cross as if you wanted to close an app Jan 06 13:23:34 and it's there Jan 06 13:23:38 aa yes Jan 06 13:23:49 maybe it'll be easier Jan 06 13:23:56 ok after suspend from there my device don't resume Jan 06 13:24:11 then modify the sysactions.conf file Jan 06 13:24:23 and make it call your shellscript Jan 06 13:24:36 Ainulindale: I wrote a simple loocscrean http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2da4da1f9ce2ef44221c1d65577f41c4.png Jan 06 13:25:03 quait smart it suspend, hange backlight depends on power source Jan 06 13:25:25 I can pus sleep phone automaticli or only lock screan Jan 06 13:25:54 on scap is old version from 3 days :P Jan 06 13:26:05 well, the suspend feature is a difficult one Jan 06 13:26:06 smoke time brake Jan 06 13:26:14 it shouldn't be handled by ophonekitd or a lock screen, IMHO Jan 06 13:26:18 not realy with it :) Jan 06 13:26:21 it should be handled by illume or frameworkd Jan 06 13:26:22 I think Jan 06 13:26:32 We have to talk about that with other SHR devel Jan 06 13:26:36 yyy yes Jan 06 13:27:04 brb ~5min Jan 06 13:27:12 By the way do you know how to use git? Jan 06 13:28:06 hey dos1 Jan 06 13:28:14 did you get my mail? Jan 06 13:28:20 hey Jan 06 13:28:26 i just read it Jan 06 13:28:43 sorry for the delay I was a bit busy and bored these days :-) Jan 06 13:29:00 dos1: I need two things now Jan 06 13:29:26 A bb file Jan 06 13:29:26 And a mail from you to the ML to explain what you did, what you still have to do, what you'd like to do :-) Jan 06 13:29:27 I think it would benefit everyone to know what you're doing Jan 06 13:29:44 (and I just inited the repository on shr git, you just have to commit your stuff) Jan 06 13:31:15 dos1: And I also was telling yoyo about mistakes I spotted for the GSM stuff Jan 06 13:33:50 Ainulindale: ok, i will commit in few minutes Jan 06 13:34:01 dos1: good :-) Jan 06 13:34:11 dos1: you should be able to use git-svn to keep the history Jan 06 13:34:24 I did that for our migration Jan 06 13:34:35 dos1: I'd also like to give you access to the overlay for the bb file Jan 06 13:34:44 But for that I'd like to know what's working now in shr-settings Jan 06 13:36:17 Ainulindale: here is bb file which i was using with our svn: Jan 06 13:36:17 http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/shr/openembedded/packages/shr-settings-new/shr-settings-new_svn.bb Jan 06 13:36:50 dos1: well I'll give you access and I'll let you modify it and commit it :-) Jan 06 13:36:58 Two choices in fact Jan 06 13:37:09 Either your app currently does what the old shr-settings does Jan 06 13:37:15 And in that case we might as well remove the old one Jan 06 13:37:23 Or not, and we should name it differently temporarily Jan 06 13:37:36 Or put a revision statement two make them different Jan 06 13:43:29 mrmoku: when you'll be there, I need info :-) Jan 06 13:44:11 Ok I'm back Jan 06 13:44:27 Ainulindale: here, what info? Jan 06 13:44:40 mrmoku: Contact cache is not perfect unfortunately Jan 06 13:44:47 Ainulindale: I didn't used git Jan 06 13:44:52 mrmoku: Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't :-) Jan 06 13:44:57 mrmoku: I bet that's because of +XX Jan 06 13:45:01 (country code) Jan 06 13:45:08 mrmoku: and it's not there for SMS Jan 06 13:45:26 yoyo: I hope dos1 will be able to help you then Jan 06 13:45:30 Ainulindale: yeah, normalizing phone numbers... Jan 06 13:45:55 it has to match exactly the number stored within the contacts now Jan 06 13:46:08 Yeah I guess so Jan 06 13:46:16 its not so easy Jan 06 13:46:29 that's why I did not do it ;) Jan 06 13:46:35 as callerid is a freeform string able to be set any way the caller/network likes Jan 06 13:46:41 Ainulindale: i didn't use git too, but i'm reading about it at the moment :) Jan 06 13:47:07 Ainulindale: regarding SMS... I can take a look. Should be easy Jan 06 13:47:14 mrmoku: yeah thought so too Jan 06 13:47:19 Just thought it would be of interest to you Jan 06 13:47:33 raster: yeah indeed but well, it should be done somewhere Jan 06 13:47:45 mickey: no news about abraxa's patches? Jan 06 13:48:01 yeah Jan 06 13:48:07 you can just have a "good go of it" Jan 06 13:48:26 lets assume for now contact numbers in phonebook are normalised by the user on entry Jan 06 13:48:28 raster: for the time being mrmoku's simple matching works great :-) Jan 06 13:48:32 raster: yeah Jan 06 13:48:34 ie he gets the countrycode etc. right Jan 06 13:48:41 +XXYYYYYYYY Jan 06 13:48:43 etc. Jan 06 13:48:59 then u just need to take a good guess on caller id based on current telco network + couuntry Jan 06 13:49:09 and pretty much have a lookup table for conversion routines Jan 06 13:51:43 Ainulindale: hmm, thinking a moment.. no it's not easy for SMS. Jan 06 13:52:33 cache resides in ophonekitd and SMS is handled inside the frontend Jan 06 13:52:58 I was talking about incoming SMSes Jan 06 13:53:11 mrmoku: and why not building a temporary dbus service in ophonekitd for that? Jan 06 13:53:25 mrmoku: (my 2 cents, if it's stupid, please say s o) Jan 06 13:54:27 Ainulindale: depends a bit on what mickeyl says about opimd-arrival-estimation-date ;) Jan 06 13:55:48 Ainulindale: ophonekitd passes just the id to the frontend on incoming SMS Jan 06 13:56:44 wow I remove exposiure and phone run ~200% faster :) Jan 06 13:56:52 mrmoku: ah I didn't remember that Jan 06 13:57:04 we should change that in the end Jan 06 13:57:27 Ainulindale: I would like to see names in the message list also though Jan 06 13:57:38 we should find a solution that helps also for that Jan 06 13:57:57 indeed Jan 06 13:58:12 so maybe a dbus service doing a good number to name matching might be the way to go Jan 06 13:58:29 and it might still be the right way the day opimd arrives :-) Jan 06 14:17:30 jeee :) on top I have top on first place :) Jan 06 14:22:49 heh :-) Jan 06 14:38:10 ainulindale Jan 06 14:38:18 can you regenerate the image unstable of SHR? Jan 06 14:38:25 ( oh and hi :D ) Jan 06 14:38:40 Hi Jan 06 14:38:42 Right now, no Jan 06 14:38:53 Hire, Ainulindale - I could do that Jan 06 14:39:03 if there's nothing why I should not do it Jan 06 14:39:49 FEel free :-) Jan 06 14:40:02 And damn ptitjes Jan 06 14:40:07 He didn't fix the locked database issue Jan 06 14:40:08 Ainulindale, btw...what do you think to package omnewrotate? It's working quite reliable for me Jan 06 14:40:22 quickdev: I did a bb file with the author a while ago Jan 06 14:40:34 He was supposed to send it to me Jan 06 14:40:49 Ainulindale, what's his nick name? It would be a great addition to shr's images Jan 06 14:41:04 Ainulindale: i have this when i'm doing git push: Jan 06 14:41:05 ! [rejected] master -> master (non-fast forward) Jan 06 14:41:07 [Rui] IIRC Jan 06 14:41:11 dos1: git pull Jan 06 14:41:29 then git push Jan 06 14:41:43 dos1, git pull or git rebase ;) Jan 06 14:42:56 Hire, starting to build the unstable image Jan 06 14:43:21 quickdev: We should push libframeworkd-phonegui-efl to testing IMHO Jan 06 14:43:27 yy new build means updates? Jan 06 14:43:29 nice Jan 06 14:43:31 I've been using it for a while now Jan 06 14:43:39 If you're confident enough... Jan 06 14:43:49 raster: any news on the dictionnary bu? Jan 06 14:43:51 +g Jan 06 14:43:53 Ainulindale, if you think it's stable, let's move it Jan 06 14:44:05 quickdev: I'm not the only one to have a word heree :-) Jan 06 14:44:07 You're the devleoper Jan 06 14:44:11 Damn keyboard Jan 06 14:44:11 Ainulindale, currently compiling latest e...I'd like to have a look (elementary-python is in svn there now) Jan 06 14:44:33 quickdev: "service data" window bug is fixed? Jan 06 14:44:39 Ainulindale, what about PaulFertser's gsm0710muxd patches? Jan 06 14:45:01 dos1, USSD should not be used right now - as it's not ready ;) Jan 06 14:45:16 quickdev: Well this should be handled by the FSO team Jan 06 14:45:24 alphaone, mickey: casual ping Jan 06 14:45:56 quickdev: but in some mobile networks voice mail numbers are something like *555 Jan 06 14:46:09 dos1, will fix that soon Jan 06 14:46:15 quickdev: it is handled as ussd, and then service data window is appearing Jan 06 14:46:29 quickdev: and there is no way to close it ;) Jan 06 14:46:35 ah..damn Jan 06 14:46:46 dos1, maybe I can fix that today in the evening Jan 06 14:46:56 quickdev: ok Jan 06 14:47:43 quickdev: elm labels aren't that good. First disadvantage: you can't set the size of the label in the theme. Secondly: they don't automatically overflow :( So I just suggests to make the lfw-efl .edj themable. (something like: http://pastebin.com/m728844da) Jan 06 14:48:18 dolf1074, you mean the font size of the label? Jan 06 14:48:24 yes Jan 06 14:49:45 dolf1074, I'm certain that it is themable, at least through the font scale value you can set in E Jan 06 14:50:25 dolf1074, click on E settings -> Look -> Scaling Jan 06 14:50:26 you can't set different sets of font scale Jan 06 14:50:46 for example the 1 2 3 on the dialer has to be bigger Jan 06 14:50:54 than the 'name' in new contact Jan 06 14:51:37 and the big problem is that it doesn't go on new lines when the screen is filled horizontally Jan 06 14:53:44 "for example the 1 2 3 on the dialer has to be bigger" <- in the long term, that should be an elementary widget and thus themable through the elementary theme Jan 06 14:54:03 "and the big problem is that it doesn't go on new lines when the screen is filled horizontally" - use a elm_entry instead Jan 06 14:54:28 dolf1074, 'name' in new contact? what does that mean? Jan 06 14:54:53 the label with the text 'name' in the new contact screen Jan 06 14:56:07 okay, think almost all problems are resolved :p Jan 06 14:56:22 Ainulindale: I see a new image for gta01... will you build one for gta02 too? Jan 06 14:56:33 I didn't build a thing, check with quickdev :-) Jan 06 14:57:14 I would reflash to have a clean install to check tickets against Jan 06 14:57:25 so I take the old one? Jan 06 14:57:30 mrmoku, doing so :) Jan 06 14:57:39 mrmoku, I'm building a gta02 right now Jan 06 14:57:49 ahh, ok so I will wait a little :-) Jan 06 14:58:29 dolf1074, elm_entry.editable_set(False) for a multiline lable Jan 06 14:59:06 I will try, but I think the elementary widget will not know when he has to go to the next line Jan 06 14:59:14 dolf1074, have you tested update-alternatives? Jan 06 14:59:31 dolf1074, it knows - have a look at the elm test app :) Jan 06 14:59:38 update-alternatives? what's that? Jan 06 14:59:38 mrmoku: did I give you ticket admin access by the way ? Jan 06 14:59:42 dolf1074, wrapping is implemented Jan 06 14:59:47 dolf1074, http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=openembedded/packages/shr-theme-brave/shr-theme-brave_git.bb;h=603fcfa3945736ac6aef47170dbceca2fde9cbc3;hb=b269343227e59934b54cc96f1edbbfcc1adebfbd Jan 06 14:59:49 Ainulindale: Casual pong Jan 06 15:00:00 ah yes Jan 06 15:00:00 alphaone: happy new year :-) Jan 06 15:00:03 I've tested them Jan 06 15:00:12 alphaone: just checking with you about PaulFertser's patches for gsm0710muxd Jan 06 15:00:19 about the overflows Jan 06 15:00:31 as smartphone-* lists are dead and nobody answers anything anyway... :)- Jan 06 15:00:32 Ainulindale: Thanks, same to you! Jan 06 15:00:49 Ainulindale: I had a look at it. Jan 06 15:00:57 And? Jan 06 15:01:10 But I don't know gsmmuxd :-( Jan 06 15:01:22 Heh Jan 06 15:01:26 dolf1074, btw...thanks in advance for your work :) I'm really glad to see another one working on it Jan 06 15:01:31 Well we need to solve this issue in SHR Jan 06 15:01:32 We should make sure emdete takes a look at the patches Jan 06 15:01:47 And I would truly like to avoid to supersede the bb recipe Jan 06 15:01:54 (or any bb recipe of the fso realm for that matter) Jan 06 15:01:54 quickdev: I'm glad I can help ;) Jan 06 15:02:09 Ainulindale: So if you have a really large address book that issue appears? Jan 06 15:02:14 ok for 90% resuming don't work on gta01 if fso-gpsd is running Jan 06 15:02:24 alphaone: appeared for me yes Jan 06 15:02:29 yoyo: Really? Jan 06 15:02:37 Ainulindale: Okay Jan 06 15:03:24 by mestake suspend device witout stoping fso-gpsd and no resume Jan 06 15:03:39 Ainulindale, may I give dolf1074 shr trac admin privileges? Jan 06 15:03:52 quickdev Jan 06 15:04:03 Hire, ? Jan 06 15:04:03 you have regenerate the image for the gta01 :| Jan 06 15:04:19 Hire, gta02 is ready in one minute Jan 06 15:04:24 ahhh Jan 06 15:04:30 ok i see :D Jan 06 15:04:44 quickdev: ticket admin or trac admin? Jan 06 15:04:51 trac admin Jan 06 15:04:59 quickdev: (we should formalize this process, I don't intend to be the access guru) Jan 06 15:05:03 quickdev: what for? Jan 06 15:05:06 (out of curiosity) Jan 06 15:05:07 Hire: look at makefile, it is firstly generating gta01 image, and then gta02 image Jan 06 15:05:22 Ainulindale, or ticket admin..if that's enough to close tickets Jan 06 15:05:30 yeah that's enough Jan 06 15:05:34 there's a group for that Jan 06 15:05:36 called ablepeople Jan 06 15:05:40 I think alphaone is in it Jan 06 15:05:42 ok, great - saw that Jan 06 15:05:55 I first intended to name it uglybastards Jan 06 15:06:02 But I then named it more appropriately Jan 06 15:06:56 alphaone: emdete has already taken a look at my patches a week ago. Jan 06 15:07:05 dolf1074, you know have permissions to fix bugs ( and to close them in trac ) Jan 06 15:07:13 nice ;) Jan 06 15:07:15 PaulFertser: emdete is "upstream" for gsm0710muxd Jan 06 15:07:26 Why hasn't he applied them yet then` Jan 06 15:07:36 or is he not? Jan 06 15:07:36 alphaone: that's exactly why i notified him personally as soon as the patch was verified. Jan 06 15:07:44 question - if fso-gspd is fown gypsy is working ? Jan 06 15:07:47 dolf1074: don't forget to sacrifice a virgin to the SHR god Jan 06 15:07:48 and? Jan 06 15:07:57 THis is the appropriate offering for a trac access Jan 06 15:08:40 Ainulindale: I will sacrifice the virgin mojito and drink a real one Jan 06 15:08:41 yoyo: It should work. I tried it (though some time ago) Jan 06 15:08:43 Hire, ready Jan 06 15:08:47 Ainulindale: yeah, can close tickets :-) Jan 06 15:09:02 cool Jan 06 15:09:09 i am flashing ittt *aarrrr Jan 06 15:10:01 yoyo: Please open a bug on trac.freesmartphone.org Jan 06 15:10:11 alphaone: he's working on the issue. But i'm sure he won't backport it to the old version FSO uses anyway. Are you really ready to migrate to the latest upstream or would you prefer to maintain a fork? Jan 06 15:10:39 PaulFertser: Not sure how mickey sees it, but I'd rather upgrade. Jan 06 15:10:59 Though we could apply the patch for now. Jan 06 15:11:11 If he's already applied it that's good enough for me Jan 06 15:11:31 i'm not switching to the upstream muxer before ms5. Jan 06 15:11:36 alphaone: i think mickey considers this possibility, as he's recently imported a new upstream version into fso git repo. But somebody should actually try to use it with FSO. Jan 06 15:12:19 mickey|ICE: So we should apply the patch before that Jan 06 15:12:23 yep Jan 06 15:12:23 alphaone: emdete hasn't applied the patch as-is, i think. Jan 06 15:12:45 catching up with upstream requires some more changes in the power handling Jan 06 15:12:55 this is too intrusive IMO now Jan 06 15:13:11 mickey|ICE: Just do it Jan 06 15:13:30 We'll just blame stefan if the release is buggy :-) Jan 06 15:13:45 ya, will do some tests asap Jan 06 15:13:53 heh Jan 06 15:13:56 righto Jan 06 15:15:44 alphaone: actually i've just taken a look at the latest upstream sources. He added a check, so the lossage is not silent anymore. But no buffering yet. As far as i understand. Jan 06 15:17:43 PaulFertser: So it's not a fix? :-( Jan 06 15:19:07 alphaone: not yet. But he's working on it. I think he wants to implement proper glib IO everywhere, not in this particular place i fixed. Jan 06 15:19:28 okay Jan 06 15:19:37 sounds good Jan 06 15:26:22 upgrade make my system unusable Jan 06 15:26:24 :( Jan 06 15:27:18 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rf64dc0001b80 10/src/zhone: Stop redrawing on every GPS message Jan 06 15:27:18 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r69604a370952 10/src/zhone: Add missing format string argument Jan 06 15:27:41 BluesLee, where is he? :) Jan 06 15:32:52 quickdev: elementary entries and labels don't do automatically newlines insertion. It only goes to the next line if you put a
into it. So still a problem Jan 06 15:33:26 dolf1074, no, that's not true. it's definetely working with elm_entry :) line_wrap_set(True) ? Jan 06 15:33:33 have a look at the elementary test application Jan 06 15:33:36 there it's working Jan 06 15:33:42 where? Jan 06 15:33:57 on shr, you should have elm test installed ... even an icon on your deskto Jan 06 15:33:59 I only see labels and entries where there are
inserted Jan 06 15:34:16 I mean, where in elm test Jan 06 15:34:33 quickdev: can you tell me how i would change the text of a text part in an amm using efl for the gui? Jan 06 15:34:44 app* Jan 06 15:35:23 :/ why enlightenment all time consume ~16% of cpu Jan 06 15:35:54 is consuming Jan 06 15:36:14 yoyo: i believe that has to due with theme selection and dropshadow being enabled if I understand properly Jan 06 15:36:26 dolf1074, "entry scrolled" window, then click "clear" and "insert" several times...text is wrapping Jan 06 15:37:47 quickdev: you're right ;) Jan 06 15:38:50 hello, does someone knows sdl and perl...i'm trying to package frozen-bubble for oe and openmoko...but it has no sound...(before reflashing it had sound!!!) Jan 06 15:39:02 what could be the cause? Jan 06 15:39:48 AntonTakk: how can I change it ? on settings there is not posibel to disable dropshadow Jan 06 15:39:54 AntonTakk: no, it isn't - i haven't dropshadow enabled Jan 06 15:40:39 AntonTakk, didn't unterstand your question :) Jan 06 15:41:24 quickdev: i have a text part in my edje file - named contact_0, how can i change the string of text it displays from the app using the theme Jan 06 15:41:57 AndreasD, you can't - if the text is set through the app...but that depends Jan 06 15:42:08 AntonTakk, what do you want to do? why? Jan 06 15:42:35 i want to make a kist of text items I can update from inside the app - to be a contact list Jan 06 15:42:41 list* Jan 06 15:43:02 AntonTakk, ah..now I got what you meant Jan 06 15:43:12 have a look at util/window.c -> text_set() Jan 06 15:44:10 ok, that in one of the efl libs i assume? Jan 06 15:47:51 quickdev: e segfaults when entering an umlaut via the number keyboard Jan 06 15:48:30 mrmoku, I think that's known Jan 06 15:49:32 quickdev: if you mean #58... that one I'm looking at. it's not about crashing but not showing Jan 06 15:49:54 and it's not umlauts in general but just the sharp s that makes e crash immediately when pressing Jan 06 15:50:25 mrmoku: well non ascii chars then? Jan 06 15:50:30 mrmoku, I only know there's a bug in the e keyboard...which makes it painful slow...maybe that's the same bug.. Jan 06 15:51:03 quickdev: no... that's the dictionary searching for a loooong time when pressing the second char Jan 06 15:51:31 quickdev: have you got your new image flashed? open a terminal, pop up the number keyboard and press a sharp s - BOOM Jan 06 15:51:56 I think this is new with the new enlightenment version... though not your fault :D Jan 06 15:51:58 raster: ping Jan 06 15:53:09 bumbl: don't know... EUR sign crashes also Jan 06 15:54:50 and the average char Jan 06 15:55:01 uff Jan 06 15:55:03 quickdev Jan 06 15:55:08 with SHR unstable Jan 06 15:55:15 add contact doesn't work Jan 06 15:55:26 when I want to save a contact it crashed Jan 06 15:55:47 Hire, please reboot and try again - maybe it's the gsm0710muxd failure Jan 06 15:56:33 mrmoku: it was before Jan 06 15:57:51 dos1: yeah? so I just never tried it Jan 06 15:59:39 mrmoku: as it seems e is not that utf-only as raster wants us to believe Jan 06 16:00:00 quickdev: what EFL_SRCREV is the new image? because #58 is not fixed. umlauts just show as spaces. Jan 06 16:00:06 quickdev: weird... it works now ( after reboot ) Jan 06 16:01:01 bumbl: and now he's hiding ;) Jan 06 16:01:27 no I am wrong Jan 06 16:01:37 it doesn't work quickdev :/ Jan 06 16:02:09 Hire, mrmoku - maybe the bitbake is fucked up...although I am certain, that I executed . setup-env in the appropriate dir Jan 06 16:02:45 Hire: I successfully saved a new contact Jan 06 16:03:13 here doesn't work Jan 06 16:03:18 i am testing SHR unstable Jan 06 16:03:29 i will another test, now I will off for 30 minutes Jan 06 16:03:34 the image from today... Jan 06 16:03:36 me too Jan 06 16:04:02 (quickdev broke everything!) Jan 06 16:04:39 i don't suppose i can ping somebody about an update on SHR #205 Jan 06 16:04:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rcc8584e09e3e 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/ (idlenotifier.py input.py): odeviced: input/idlenotifier: don't use config from controller, use singleton Jan 06 16:05:17 arggh, and now it hardlocked... the second time. Jan 06 16:05:24 * mrmoku does not like that EFL_SRCREV ;) Jan 06 16:05:48 mrmoku: if he is in australia he is probably sleeping Jan 06 16:06:08 quickdev: if i'm reading this corectly, i need to do: edje_object_part_text_set(edje_object, "text_part_name", "string to be displayed"); ? (sorry for being an nuissance :) ) Jan 06 16:06:29 bumbl: how can he sleep - I would have nightmares ;) Jan 06 16:06:37 haha Jan 06 16:06:42 Ainulindale, cache would have been borked before Jan 06 16:06:55 yeah #openmoko-cdevel visiting him in his dreams Jan 06 16:06:59 AntonTakk, right Jan 06 16:07:03 quickdev: heh :-) Jan 06 16:07:20 quickdev: cool, thanks a million :) Jan 06 16:07:51 Ainulindale, may I remove /tmp and build it from scratch? Jan 06 16:11:13 do not remove tmp Jan 06 16:11:15 rename it Jan 06 16:11:18 (just in case) Jan 06 16:11:28 and be available to repair things :-) Jan 06 16:12:00 * bumbl bugs Ainulindale: Tut-Tut. You promised providing news on planet until yesterday :p Jan 06 16:12:04 Ainulindale, quickdev: a dbus-service in ophonekitd to provide names for numbers... how would that look like exactly? Jan 06 16:12:15 bumbl: yeah but I'm a bit behind, because of some work Jan 06 16:12:24 And I'd like info from dos1 about shr-settings Jan 06 16:12:45 Less work today Ainulindale or is today a feast day in France too? Jan 06 16:12:50 mrmoku: well I'd say, better do a dbus service that would get contact info from number Jan 06 16:13:12 bumbl: still work Jan 06 16:13:12 Ainulindale: so more than just the name? Jan 06 16:13:40 mrmoku: for now, just the name, but putting an object there will prove saner in the nearest future :-) Jan 06 16:14:00 So let your imagination run free and write down a "Contact" struct Jan 06 16:14:16 I think you know the general idea for the contacts themselves Jan 06 16:14:21 and the dbus naming conventions Jan 06 16:17:00 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd61b5a92faac 10/framework/ (3 files in 3 dirs): odeviced|ousaged: use repr() in helper output Jan 06 16:19:02 Ainulindale: I took a look at api-overview.txt from opimd... I think it will obsolete what we will do now Jan 06 16:19:15 I agree, the question is when :-) Jan 06 16:19:24 We talked about opimd for ages now Jan 06 16:19:38 And mickey|ICE does the shy boy when I ask him about it :-p Jan 06 16:19:51 damn - has anyone ping'd me since I wrote something last time? Jan 06 16:20:03 nope Jan 06 16:21:07 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r08ea27073163 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: Move SMS tests into its own unittest under tests/ Jan 06 16:21:19 Ainulindale: so we should do a stable release without that, me thinks Jan 06 16:22:27 mrmoku: Care to raise the point on the ML? :-) Jan 06 16:23:30 quickdev_: hmm, just got a surprise :-) Jan 06 16:23:38 tried booting without sim... expecting it to crash ;) Jan 06 16:23:39 mrmoku, surprise? Jan 06 16:23:49 mrmoku, got that tiny window? :) Jan 06 16:23:56 instead I get a nice info that there is no SIM card present Jan 06 16:23:57 yeah Jan 06 16:24:01 hehe :) Jan 06 16:25:43 Hello Mr. Moku :) Jan 06 16:25:54 Ainulindale: I will close all tickets that I confirm to work with unstable? Jan 06 16:26:03 Hello Mr. Dave Jan 06 16:27:31 Ainulindale: like #145 (phonelog) Jan 06 16:27:59 or #151 (autosuspend without sim) Jan 06 16:28:48 quickdev_: though starting messages without SIM is not that informative ;) Jan 06 16:29:02 mrmoku, indeed :) Jan 06 16:29:28 mrmoku, make a comment if you close it and it's not yet in shr-testing :) Jan 06 16:29:49 ok Jan 06 16:31:09 has anyone contact with BluesLee? Jan 06 16:31:26 or his keyboard file hacks? Jan 06 16:32:46 dolf1074, http://rafb.net/p/3hAhVE69.html Jan 06 16:33:28 strange Jan 06 16:33:38 raster, here? Jan 06 16:34:42 quickdev_: isn't pyhphonelog also in testing? Jan 06 16:34:54 mrmoku, I don't know Jan 06 16:35:05 hehe, nobody using testing anymore :p Jan 06 16:35:41 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8551825260f3 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystem.py): Jan 06 16:35:41 freesmartphone.org: We now register one dbus connection per subsystem to prevent objects Jan 06 16:35:41 freesmartphone.org: appearing on all bus names. If you previously only used the bus name Jan 06 16:35:41 freesmartphone.org: 'org.freesmartphone.frameworkd', you have to adjust your code. Jan 06 16:36:30 dolf1074, should I fix it? :) Jan 06 16:36:47 If you know what's wrong ;) you may :) Jan 06 16:37:05 * mrmoku has to play monopoly now - see you later :D Jan 06 16:37:23 mrmoku, see you ;) Jan 06 16:39:04 Ainulindale, what do you think about making the top bar less fat? It's taking to much screen Jan 06 16:39:11 I don't care :-) Jan 06 16:39:18 expected that ;) Jan 06 16:39:21 Pyphonelog is in testing, yes Jan 06 16:39:54 quickdev_: it still has to be big enough for toughing with my big fat fingers ;) Jan 06 16:41:34 Don't worry Jan 06 16:41:43 First test is to be sausage fingered proof Jan 06 16:41:47 We have german developers after all Jan 06 16:41:54 Except for that FREAKING SCROLLBAR! =) Jan 06 16:41:57 Damn this scrollbar Jan 06 16:42:09 away with scrollbars Jan 06 16:42:17 black top panels rule btw. Jan 06 16:42:35 mrmoku: opimd? :-> Jan 06 16:42:45 (I have no info on abraxa's patches) Jan 06 16:44:20 quickdev_: Do you know what's the problem with the bb? because my setup just swallows that bb without any problems Jan 06 16:45:33 what was the name of the gsm service in the older moko versions again? (the ones with openmoko-dialer2) did it run modem initialization on bootup? Jan 06 16:46:12 so no one's looked at SHR #205 yet? Jan 06 16:47:02 dcordes: gsmd? Jan 06 16:48:07 mickey|ICE: ok. we are playing with frameworkd-devel/shr images on the htc univesral. openmoko-dialer2 works ootb. with frameworkd-devel and calypso modem there are problems Jan 06 16:51:17 dcordes: dialer2 or dialer3? Jan 06 16:51:30 dialer2 Jan 06 16:51:30 dcordes: I'd be glad to give you access if you want to add htc universal support by the way Jan 06 16:51:39 dcordes: dialer2 uses libgsmd Jan 06 16:52:01 let's see if we can get it working.. Jan 06 16:52:11 which kind of problems? Jan 06 16:52:18 dcordes: if you need a branch in SHR git you're welcome :-) Jan 06 16:52:32 bb tomorrow, arriving now Jan 06 16:52:34 ok thanks Jan 06 16:52:46 :o Jan 06 16:53:15 mickey|* frameworkd -s ogsmd initializes. we can send the dial dbus command but nothing happens Jan 06 16:56:14 dcordes: you don't hear voice? Jan 06 16:56:28 dcordes: i need to alsactl restore -f /etc/alsa-scenarios/gsmhandset.state or sometihng Jan 06 17:06:33 ok Jan 06 17:06:46 quickdev, mrmoku: with the lastest image i cant add a contact :( Jan 06 17:14:55 lindi-, dcordes_: folder is /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ Jan 06 17:16:09 dos1: /usr is for read-only data Jan 06 17:16:15 dos1: /etc is for configuration files Jan 06 17:16:51 dolf1074, yeah..I know the problem Jan 06 17:16:56 will fix it now..you'll see Jan 06 17:17:02 lindi-: alsa scenarios are in /usr/share/openmoko Jan 06 17:18:12 quickdev_: i'm looking ;) Jan 06 17:18:38 dos1: i keep them in /etc/alsa-scenarios Jan 06 17:22:18 raster, ping Jan 06 17:25:15 .win 5 Jan 06 17:25:49 quickdev_: you have to try harder Jan 06 17:25:54 while True: Jan 06 17:26:18 system.os('echo "ping raster"') Jan 06 17:27:24 lindi-: on the uni? Jan 06 17:27:33 dcordes_: which uni? Jan 06 17:27:42 htc universal Jan 06 17:27:50 dcordes_: what's that? Jan 06 17:28:57 a pxa based pda phone Jan 06 17:29:06 ah, never heard Jan 06 17:30:06 argh Jan 06 17:30:13 on shr unstable gpsd doesn't work Jan 06 17:30:32 neither add contact Jan 06 17:30:58 what's the error? Jan 06 17:31:15 nice question Jan 06 17:31:46 what do you do specifically? Jan 06 17:31:50 please file bug :) Jan 06 17:32:06 sure Jan 06 17:32:12 wait 2 seconds Jan 06 17:32:51 1 .... 2 .... Jan 06 17:32:54 :) Jan 06 17:34:52 argh Jan 06 17:35:08 but ophonekitd doesn't save anything ! Jan 06 17:35:15 i did add contact Jan 06 17:35:31 but into the log i get only ** (process:1129): DEBUG: idle notifier state handler called, id 0 Jan 06 17:35:37 and other useless things Jan 06 17:36:28 and what happens on-screen when you try to add a contact ? Jan 06 17:37:06 nothing, i get the usual "E crashed" Jan 06 17:37:48 and does frameworkd.log have anything useful to say? Jan 06 17:38:57 2009.01.06 17:55:05 ogsmd WARNING Out-of-spec GSM number type seen: 255. Please report. Jan 06 17:38:57 2009.01.06 17:55:05 ogsmd WARNING Out-of-spec GSM number type seen: 255. Please report. Jan 06 17:38:57 2009.01.06 17:55:05 ogsmd WARNING Out-of-spec GSM number type seen: 255. Please report. Jan 06 17:38:59 noo Jan 06 17:39:01 sorry Jan 06 17:39:26 http://pastebin.com/m6489afa8 Jan 06 17:41:18 Hire, install the libframeworkd-phonegui-efl-dbg packages and do gdb openmoko-contacts Jan 06 17:41:26 maybe you will get a better log Jan 06 17:41:36 sure :* Jan 06 17:41:48 ah and I get the echo bug too Jan 06 17:42:18 That can be, try the tweaks: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Tweaks Jan 06 17:45:44 ok Jan 06 17:45:52 now I installed all that nice opk Jan 06 17:45:54 now? Jan 06 17:46:00 gdb? Jan 06 17:47:00 ssh into your freerunner, export DISPLAY=:0, gdb openmoko-contacts, run, , bt Jan 06 17:47:07 yes know Jan 06 17:47:24 oh no Jan 06 17:47:34 it doens't find gdb Jan 06 17:47:39 why god did this? Jan 06 17:48:00 opkg install gdb // this can track things if there is a segmentation fault Jan 06 17:48:24 resolved Jan 06 17:48:41 just like that? Jan 06 17:48:51 yeah Jan 06 17:49:34 no debugging symbols found) Jan 06 17:49:35 you resolved the E error? or the missing gdb ;p Jan 06 17:49:37 WHY?!?!? Jan 06 17:49:43 missing gdb Jan 06 17:50:08 contacts doens't have the debugging symbols? Jan 06 17:50:19 It don't need it Jan 06 17:50:55 but i get that Jan 06 17:51:07 and contacts doesn't start Jan 06 17:51:12 type run enter Jan 06 17:51:21 ah Jan 06 17:51:24 you are right Jan 06 17:51:28 i am a dumbass :> Jan 06 17:52:30 http://pastebin.com/m2abece92 Jan 06 17:52:46 and now bt Jan 06 17:53:11 bt? Jan 06 17:53:22 yes Jan 06 17:53:27 backtrace Jan 06 17:53:38 or isn't it stopped? Jan 06 17:53:41 what where when who want? Jan 06 17:53:47 yes, it is stopped Jan 06 17:54:01 now on the terminal, you can enter bt Jan 06 17:54:34 No stack. Jan 06 17:54:37 Hire can it be that you don't have enough storage on you Sim? Jan 06 17:54:44 uhm Jan 06 17:54:51 i will delete a contact Jan 06 17:54:54 an ex :) Jan 06 17:55:08 okay Jan 06 17:57:19 no Jan 06 17:57:21 sorry Jan 06 17:57:23 same issue Jan 06 17:57:26 Hire! Jan 06 17:57:35 oi Dave Jan 06 17:57:45 What's wrong with your SIM? Jan 06 17:57:50 so much time.... now I have a long white beard Jan 06 17:57:58 it is a problem with contacts Jan 06 17:57:59 :D Jan 06 17:58:42 Hire: I think the problem is with FSO, especially because ogsmd report Out-of-spec GSM number Jan 06 17:58:49 maybe ask there Jan 06 17:59:02 can't help, sorry :( Jan 06 17:59:11 but why only me i get that problem? Jan 06 17:59:21 -me Jan 06 17:59:33 If I knew that, I knew the problem and I could solve it ;) Jan 06 17:59:37 out-of-spec? Jan 06 18:00:54 gui for bt for someone ? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/ea2a7ecaeb6b1a4943f72b85c7a126be.png Jan 06 18:01:38 yoyo: I want to test your app Jan 06 18:01:49 dolf1074: however, I want to test your theme Jan 06 18:01:51 Hire: you using shr? Jan 06 18:02:02 and I want to help you with the theme and graphics Jan 06 18:02:05 yoyo: yes Jan 06 18:02:27 If you want to test the theme: opkg install shr-theme-brave Jan 06 18:02:31 Hire: ok give my fiev minutes I will make ipk file Jan 06 18:03:12 and copy in /usr/share/etk/theme phonegui.edj to default.edj and do the same in /usr/share/elementary/themes Jan 06 18:03:47 (* ps, you will have to wait till the package is in the repo) Jan 06 18:04:18 i see Jan 06 18:05:55 Or you can try this: http://alasal.be/openmoko/shr2/shr-theme-brave_0.0.1+gitrLOCAL-r1_all.ipk Jan 06 18:06:15 are you brave enough to try? ;) Jan 06 18:06:48 It will look ugly, because all the text is black :p Jan 06 18:06:57 haw Jan 06 18:07:05 that's something that has to change in libframeworkd-phonegui-efl Jan 06 18:07:12 that it takes the color of the theme Jan 06 18:07:17 mmhmmm Jan 06 18:08:34 and that's what 'm doing :) Jan 06 18:11:25 quickdev_: Did you already solve the shr-theme-brave bb problem? Else I should remove the bb from shr-overlay.git, so everybody can keep on building there shr Jan 06 18:11:26 yay Jan 06 18:12:40 dolf1074, currently compiling it locally to test it...should be ready soon..that I commit it Jan 06 18:13:10 okay, it is just because there is already someone complaining on the mailinglist :) Jan 06 18:13:26 Hire: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/feed/armv4t/shr-settings-new_0.0.1+svnr111-r1_armv4t.ipk Jan 06 18:13:31 o Jan 06 18:13:56 that yoyo's bt stuff is in shr-settings ;) Jan 06 18:17:12 yoyo: very good ;) Jan 06 18:17:22 so much options, wow :) Jan 06 18:17:28 now I will test it Jan 06 18:17:40 however, do you want to do a manager for BT and wifi? Jan 06 18:17:47 clock settings $ TODO Jan 06 18:17:49 it will be really nice Jan 06 18:18:48 Hire: yes, we want to Jan 06 18:20:00 wifi wifi wifi Jan 06 18:20:24 ok now I am testing it Jan 06 18:20:29 it really nice, good job :D Jan 06 18:20:35 give my a gta02 and I will writ it ;) Jan 06 18:20:37 developer developer developer Jan 06 18:21:44 yoyo: i am poor :( Jan 06 18:21:52 Me to Jan 06 18:23:30 however Jan 06 18:23:33 it is slow now Jan 06 18:23:45 because we have too much things in a "page" Jan 06 18:23:54 you have to divide it into small categories Jan 06 18:24:05 Hire: yep, if only python-elementary will have toolbar ;] Jan 06 18:24:08 as network, wifi, bluetooth, power, screen, time etc Jan 06 18:24:24 when python-elementary supports the toolbar? Jan 06 18:24:39 Hire: yes Jan 06 18:24:58 and when? :D Jan 06 18:25:06 morphis is working on it? Jan 06 18:25:13 Hire: yes Jan 06 18:25:21 Hire: he promised :x Jan 06 18:25:26 he wanted to be featurecomplete by last weekend afaik Jan 06 18:25:27 nice :x Jan 06 18:25:46 i need a thing for the gps :x Jan 06 18:26:14 dolf1074, have you an oe setup? Jan 06 18:26:20 Hire: gps with fso-gpsd is starting only when it's needed Jan 06 18:26:30 quickdev_: yes Jan 06 18:26:48 if that's the build thing is that explained on the wiki Jan 06 18:26:54 Hire: what for gps is needed? Jan 06 18:27:01 dos1: but it is always cool to have an option into the shr-settings :* Jan 06 18:27:07 for tangogps and navit Jan 06 18:27:13 dolf1074, have a look at shr/openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev.inc and add something for your package Jan 06 18:27:58 Hire: if you want to start stop fso-gpsd there is a services setting start|stop button end there > Jan 06 18:28:01 list Jan 06 18:28:31 yoyo: is it possibe that you implement something like openmoko-agpsui in shr settings? Jan 06 18:28:43 s/possible/planned/ Jan 06 18:28:44 quickdev_: just SRCREV_pn-shr-theme-brave = "${AUTOREV}" ? Jan 06 18:29:27 bumbl: I never sead openmoko-agpsui Jan 06 18:29:46 bumbl: he has gta01 Jan 06 18:30:21 yoyo: s/sead/seen/ ;]] Jan 06 18:30:37 i've never seen ;) Jan 06 18:30:39 seen Jan 06 18:30:44 dos1: thx Jan 06 18:30:47 yoyo: yes but with an option to see how it is the signal, how much satellite it finds, how much fix it gets Jan 06 18:30:51 it is cool :x Jan 06 18:30:58 isn't dos1? :x Jan 06 18:31:05 Hire: so panel like in zhone? Jan 06 18:31:12 yes :x Jan 06 18:31:39 ah ok Jan 06 18:31:40 Hire: maybe... i will look at it later Jan 06 18:31:46 dos1: is it planned? Jan 06 18:31:54 if not i have to do it myself Jan 06 18:32:01 even if i don't have time Jan 06 18:32:21 bumbl: i think it would be nice Jan 06 18:32:41 bumbl, Hire and others: shr-settings is modular, so if you want you can write gps module for it ;) Jan 06 18:33:03 i am a dumbass :x Jan 06 18:34:06 :D Jan 06 18:34:10 Finally, he admits it! Jan 06 18:34:11 :P Jan 06 18:34:30 save the logs Jan 06 18:34:32 raster: ping Jan 06 18:35:00 i have ALWAYS admit that Jan 06 18:35:05 :) Jan 06 18:35:15 dolf1074, yes Jan 06 18:35:20 Bumble, my attempt to connect a printer directly to the freerunner didn't work out so well :P Jan 06 18:35:32 also, don't have a freerunner connected directly to another freerunner while booting Jan 06 18:35:39 :P Jan 06 18:36:29 Dave, will it shutdown the other one? ;) Jan 06 18:37:15 dos1: ? Jan 06 18:37:18 ah sorry Jan 06 18:37:20 Dave: ? Jan 06 18:37:29 install cups and it will work Jan 06 18:37:34 I have it installed Jan 06 18:37:44 what was the problem Jan 06 18:37:51 freerunner sending weird commands Jan 06 18:38:03 quickdev, no, but apparently you can have a power surge on the usb bus Jan 06 18:38:05 like *kill master Dave* to the printer Jan 06 18:38:12 :o Jan 06 18:38:15 Don't do that Jan 06 18:38:16 Dave: or do they mate? resulting in perfect offspring? Jan 06 18:38:36 you mean the perfect WORST offspring? Jan 06 18:38:50 little bastardized pile of uselessness in black casing Jan 06 18:39:17 oh no :( Jan 06 18:39:23 locales doesn't work on SHR Jan 06 18:39:29 naaah ... i always thought two negatives gives makes a positive Jan 06 18:39:29 so I can't use navit ... Jan 06 18:39:44 so should result in a perfect FR ;p Jan 06 18:39:58 s/gives// Jan 06 18:40:35 you noticed Jan 06 18:40:49 sicu, that's the norwegian way ;p Jan 06 18:41:23 hahaha Jan 06 18:41:41 quickdev_: in shr-autorev or in shr-autorev-unstable or both? Jan 06 18:42:15 sicu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendelian_inheritance Jan 06 18:42:16 i say Jan 06 18:42:24 locales doesn't work on SHR Jan 06 18:42:27 this makes me SAD Jan 06 18:42:30 heh Mendel :) Jan 06 18:42:34 SAD? Jan 06 18:42:38 hvorfor? Jan 06 18:42:40 yes, sad Jan 06 18:42:44 i said that, SAD Jan 06 18:42:46 dolf1074, for now shr-autorev is enough till you have something stable Jan 06 18:42:48 SAD SAD Jan 06 18:42:52 bad? Jan 06 18:42:59 no Jan 06 18:43:00 SAD Jan 06 18:43:04 freerunner is homozygous fail Jan 06 18:43:05 okay... Jan 06 18:43:11 * Dave slowly backs away from hire Jan 06 18:43:15 bumble yes :p Jan 06 18:44:10 bumbl: hahaha Jan 06 18:44:16 some bedtime reading for me there Jan 06 18:44:44 quickdev_: done Jan 06 18:44:59 brb diner time Jan 06 18:45:02 bb complete? Jan 06 19:03:59 Ainulindale, now we have a little problem - here? Jan 06 19:06:40 raster: ping Jan 06 19:06:45 quickdev_: what problem? Jan 06 19:08:26 mrmoku, in the shr.bbclass you can define to use LOCAL sources. You can specify a source directory. Now shr-theme-brave was added, but it's not in shr.git, it's in shr-themes.git. Thus you have two folders, but you can only define one as soruce directory. Jan 06 19:08:41 of course you could do symlinks..but that's not elegant at all :) Jan 06 19:09:13 ahh, yeah. looks like a problem :-) Jan 06 19:10:44 it looks like a nasty problem :) Jan 06 19:11:04 quickdev_: i still have problems with git... i have imported code by git svn, but git push still don't work Jan 06 19:11:20 dos1, from which git svn? Jan 06 19:11:29 if you use git svn...you have to commit with git svn dcommit Jan 06 19:11:45 after you did an ordinary git commit Jan 06 19:11:45 however Jan 06 19:11:56 i have problem with locale Jan 06 19:12:07 quickdev_: git svn init http://openmoko.opendevice.org/svn/trunk/shr-settings/; git svn fetch Jan 06 19:12:15 if I set it_IT navit doesn't find the italian locale ... Jan 06 19:12:30 and I have the problemi with the auto-dimming Jan 06 19:12:42 quickdev_: after that: git remote add origin git@git.shr-project.org:shr-settings.git Jan 06 19:13:23 dos1, why not a clean git import? without git svn? do you really need that backlog? Jan 06 19:14:15 quickdev_: i'm geek - i'm wondering why it doesn't work ;D Jan 06 19:15:17 dos1, git push origin? Jan 06 19:16:38 quickdev_: the same Jan 06 19:16:55 somebody going to make frameworkd-glib keep up with frameworkd-devel ? Jan 06 19:17:11 how about frameworkd-glib-devel :) Jan 06 19:17:32 dcordes_, I think Ainulindale already thought about that Jan 06 19:17:34 (ping) Jan 06 19:18:07 yea I think he mentioned it yesterday. but I'm wondering about a roadmap sort of thing Jan 06 19:18:39 btw, what alternatives to openmoko-dialer3 are there for use with frameworkd ? Jan 06 19:18:55 the thing in zone? Jan 06 19:18:57 dcordes_: zhone :x Jan 06 19:19:51 it uses dbus directly so I can use frameworkd-devel? Jan 06 19:20:31 dcordes_: yes Jan 06 19:20:59 dcordes_, extend libframeworkd-glib yourself...there's no magic behind it...just copy the lines and modify it slightly according to the names / parameteres Jan 06 19:21:10 dolf1074, ? Jan 06 19:22:39 hi Jan 06 19:23:22 hey Mortak Jan 06 19:23:36 frameworkd.controller ERROR dbus bus name org.freesmartphone.frameworkd already claimed. Exiting. Jan 06 19:23:40 what does that mean? Jan 06 19:24:35 quickdev_: ok. I'll look at that Jan 06 19:25:25 dcordes_, if you have any questions..feel free to ask Ainulindale or me Jan 06 19:29:30 quickdev_: thinking about it... we could do a shr-themes.bbclass Jan 06 19:30:08 mrmoku, and then there's a new repository - then we need a new class and so on :) let's solve it forever Jan 06 19:30:16 the question is how ;) Jan 06 19:31:01 the other possibility I see is to move the SRC_URI.. into the .bb files Jan 06 19:31:10 quickdev_: pong Jan 06 19:31:14 or overwrite it just for the themes in the themes.bb Jan 06 19:31:56 quickdev_: and I would like to set LOCAL for the shr programms only and get themes from remote ;) Jan 06 19:31:58 quickdev_: I thought about that and the vars are supersedable Jan 06 19:32:10 you inherit shr.bbclass Jan 06 19:32:13 change uri if necessary Jan 06 19:32:17 and change LOCAL eventually Jan 06 19:32:20 and by the way Jan 06 19:32:26 we should change shr.bbclass Jan 06 19:32:35 just for the SRC_URI part when inherited Jan 06 19:32:40 (wrt several reo) Jan 06 19:32:41 +p Jan 06 19:32:49 dcordes_: I'll branch libframeworkd-glib I think Jan 06 19:33:03 And for the shr-themes.bbclass Jan 06 19:33:09 It might be relevant for themes Jan 06 19:33:11 but not for other stuff Jan 06 19:33:12 Ainulindale, yes...and let's alter it so that we do not need to edit the class anymore to make it LOCAL Jan 06 19:33:23 quickdev_: yeah, yeah :-) Jan 06 19:41:36 quickdev_: TypeError: unbound method responseFromChannel() must be called with SimMediator instance as first argument (got SmsSendMessage instance instead) Jan 06 19:41:48 mrmoku, frameworkd-devel? Jan 06 19:41:56 no. image from today Jan 06 19:42:11 SMS with more then 160 chars. don't know if that matters though Jan 06 19:42:31 * mrmoku is looking at #161 Jan 06 19:44:32 mrmoku, could you have a look if that frameworkd version is ok? Jan 06 19:44:55 quickdev_: have to reboot... it hardlocked again :( Jan 06 19:45:10 did you start a build from scratch? Jan 06 19:45:26 no, I didn't Jan 06 19:46:32 quickdev_: yeah? Jan 06 19:47:12 dolf1074, update-alternatives is not working correctly ;) we should find a different way to do it.. Jan 06 19:47:32 what is not working? Jan 06 19:47:58 the install or the remove? Jan 06 19:48:14 but for now the update-alternatives isn't that needed Jan 06 19:48:54 quickdev_: ok. after reboot I tried to send a short SMS and that worked fine. Jan 06 19:50:47 how can I destroy elementary.Box ? Jan 06 19:50:56 The update-alternatives was just for when the theme select of etk and elementary is ready Jan 06 19:51:16 yoyo, try box.delete() Jan 06 19:51:38 Ainulindale: ok, i think shr-settings is now commited to shr git ;) Jan 06 19:52:19 dos1: good :-) Jan 06 19:52:20 quickdev_: no Jan 06 19:52:23 quickdev_: So I should remove the update-alternatives? Jan 06 19:52:24 dos1: do you want access for the bb file? Jan 06 19:52:30 Is there a way to set up a development environment for SHR? Jan 06 19:52:52 jhass840: it's on all on trac wiki => http://shr.bearstech.com/trac Jan 06 19:53:00 oh okay, thanks Jan 06 19:53:09 Feel free to ask here if you can't though Jan 06 19:53:19 dolf1074, I don't know how to do it. Maybe rename the current package and when deinstalling rename it back again....please ask Ainulindale about it..he sometimes has got ideas :) Jan 06 19:53:29 It's tough and long, but don't worry jhass840, everyone manages to build it in the end Jan 06 19:53:44 quickdev_: already told him about that this afternoon Jan 06 19:53:51 We should increment shr-setting PV Jan 06 19:54:00 and set the preferred version to the older one Jan 06 19:54:08 Ainulindale: Thanks Jan 06 19:54:10 (and by PV I mean new bb file) Jan 06 19:54:22 Ainulindale, we were talking about the theme Jan 06 19:54:29 s/theme/theme files/ Jan 06 19:54:29 quickdev_ meant: Ainulindale, we were talking about the theme files Jan 06 19:54:33 Then I said nothing :-) Jan 06 19:54:48 I read "dos1" instead of dolf1074 Jan 06 19:55:13 I have no idea about which problem you were talking about :-) Jan 06 19:56:32 ok diffrent. how can I clear box elementary.box from elements ? Jan 06 19:56:55 Ainulindale: quickdev_: I have to go. Visit :( Jan 06 19:57:43 yoyo, don't know - have a look at elementary's source...elm_box.c Jan 06 19:58:13 .c :/ I'm using python-elementary :/ Jan 06 19:59:01 Ainulindale: shr-settings-new bb file is my first and only i did, and i'm not sure it's 100% correct ;) so if you can do it yourself, because i can only break things ;D Jan 06 20:00:26 dos1: did you push it? can't see it in the shr repo Jan 06 20:00:44 mrmoku: bb file? Jan 06 20:02:11 dos1: no.. the code :-) Jan 06 20:02:30 mrmoku: yes, i pushed it Jan 06 20:02:34 mrmoku: it is in shr-settings.git repo Jan 06 20:03:09 git@git.shr-project.org:shr-settings.git Jan 06 20:03:21 dos1: ahh, another repo... Jan 06 20:14:03 Ainulindale, quickdev_: saw the minimal patch to libframeworkd-phonegui on the ML ? Jan 06 20:16:14 Ainulindale: I'm getting Error 128 when I run make setup. Jan 06 20:21:05 jhass840: what more than error 128? what happens on the lines before? Paste it at http://pastebin.com and give the link back here Jan 06 20:23:26 mw|: http://pastebin.com/d3e7c80af Jan 06 20:24:33 jhass840: hmm, seems like a problem on the git-repo (I'm no git expert) Jan 06 20:24:42 # Jan 06 20:24:43 error: Unable to find ad2cbd406c735e022fec33da1a035cc9eeb59c01 under http://shr.bearstech.com/repo/shr-overlay.git Jan 06 20:27:36 Alright, well in that case I'll just wait around until it gets resolved and then I'll try again Jan 06 20:29:47 jhass840, try to delete that directory (shr) and run make update-shr or make setup again Jan 06 20:34:51 win 4 Jan 06 20:38:36 hey BluesLee Jan 06 20:39:58 who controls git commit access ? Jan 06 20:41:39 quickdev_: That didn't fix the problem, but thank you for suggesting it Jan 06 20:43:24 mw|, shr git commit access? Ainulindale Jan 06 20:49:19 a stupid thing Jan 06 20:49:27 how can I disable the dict on SHR? Jan 06 20:52:08 Hire: use the terminal keyboard ;) Jan 06 20:52:34 i prefer to use the default keyboard if I have to write a sms Jan 06 20:52:45 ( :( ) Jan 06 20:53:37 Hire, I asked myself the same today Jan 06 20:53:47 BluesLee, ping :) Jan 06 20:54:04 Hire, try to empty your dictionary :) Jan 06 20:54:35 that is located ... Jan 06 20:54:53 when i'm writing sms i strongly prefer one with dictionary Jan 06 20:54:59 because the words.dawg doesn't exist on SHR Jan 06 20:55:10 dos1: me not :x Jan 06 20:55:16 Is there a file somewhere that can set the default keyboard to the terminal keyboard? Jan 06 20:55:39 with my native language dictionary of course Jan 06 20:55:49 Hire: /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts Jan 06 20:57:17 Hire: do "touch /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts/None.dic" Jan 06 20:57:38 and then select "None" from dictionary selector Jan 06 20:58:04 it will be the same effect like cleaning English dictionary Jan 06 20:58:42 thx to all Jan 06 21:02:46 quickdev_: What's the problem of using update-alternates (for to come back on the problems we have ;) ) Jan 06 21:03:01 Here in my setup it does everything what it has to without problems Jan 06 21:03:22 dolf1074, for me it failed with one of the packages (etk or elm) Jan 06 21:03:36 and it said? Jan 06 21:04:30 (sorry for the difficult questions :) ) Jan 06 21:05:42 dolf1074, have you installed it on your neo? no compaints? Jan 06 21:05:57 dos1, cute trick...we should include that "None" from the beginning Jan 06 21:06:08 yes I have installed that package (build with that bb) and I have no complaints Jan 06 21:06:18 the 2 links were made perfectly Jan 06 21:07:34 raster_: here? Jan 06 21:08:48 raster_: not needed anymore ;) Jan 06 21:09:39 raster_: actually I still need you: How can you force elm_entry to go to a new line, also if there is no space in the line? Jan 06 21:09:57 Not I guess? Jan 06 21:10:39 quickdev_: hi Jan 06 21:11:25 BluesLee, could I have your keyboards? :) Jan 06 21:12:57 quickdev_: hmmm, ich changed the numbers kbd once more, i guess its not so useful anymore Jan 06 21:13:13 BluesLee, have you ever changed the alphanumeric one? Jan 06 21:13:44 quickdev_: i added emotional icons instead of the umlauts as they didnt worked Jan 06 21:16:26 BluesLee, this keyboard is using almost no space ;) http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/85ca5b9f524cf14a4ab757a1fe1ec7fd.png Jan 06 21:17:14 quickdev_: restart it in illume keyboard config Jan 06 21:17:25 quickdev_: i dont see any advantages of that keyboard Jan 06 21:17:35 BluesLee, it's the default one Jan 06 21:17:39 quickdev_: ohhh Jan 06 21:17:41 :-) Jan 06 21:17:53 howvere Jan 06 21:17:56 *however Jan 06 21:17:57 guys Jan 06 21:18:03 quickdev_: something wrong with your theme? Jan 06 21:18:05 i have another BIG issue with shr Jan 06 21:18:12 dos1, where? Jan 06 21:18:12 i want to disable the lock and dimming Jan 06 21:18:28 quickdev_: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/74a43a988b21c002fa8fa1efe9fae460.png Jan 06 21:18:30 dolf1074, have you tested the elementary test app against your theme? Jan 06 21:18:39 but if I put into frameworkd.conf http://pastebin.com/m6b887a35 Jan 06 21:18:43 doesn't work Jan 06 21:18:55 BluesLee, you should package that... :) Jan 06 21:19:18 quickdev_: http://pastebin.ca/1301169 the default one Jan 06 21:19:25 quickdev_: yes, but not everything is themed yet Jan 06 21:19:31 nobody wants to help me :( Jan 06 21:19:39 quickdev_: Illume wrench -> Keyboard -> None -> Default Jan 06 21:19:45 * Hire becomes an emo Jan 06 21:19:53 dos1, it's already default Jan 06 21:20:10 quickdev_: restart it by selecting None and then Default Jan 06 21:20:13 BluesLee, it's the default one.. Jan 06 21:20:14 quickdev_: black child windows is a bug in python-elementary Jan 06 21:20:20 quickdev_: http://pastebin.ca/1301171 my numbers one Jan 06 21:20:28 quickdev_: no, its mine;-) Jan 06 21:20:45 dos1, black background is fixed in latest python-elementary afaik...found the cause 2 days ago Jan 06 21:21:48 Hire: I gues you restarted frameworkd? Jan 06 21:21:48 quickdev_: numbers + umlauts http://pastebin.ca/1301173 Jan 06 21:21:56 +s Jan 06 21:22:45 quickdev_: the first one is my default kbd, the second one the numbers kbd + emo-icons, the last numbers+umlauts (which dont work) Jan 06 21:22:57 mrmoku: sure I did :( Jan 06 21:23:11 BluesLee, what's different in your default one? Jan 06 21:24:24 quickdev_: looks like http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2cf09ed676a9c99bcb1e2da1dcea2bb6.png Jan 06 21:24:58 quickdev_: shift gives capital letters and , resp. ! Jan 06 21:25:05 more space for every button, heaven on earth ;) Jan 06 21:25:33 i cant, there is nor more space there Jan 06 21:26:03 you cannot go to the borders ... Jan 06 21:26:16 however Jan 06 21:26:22 but your keyboard has more space for every button => heaven on earth ;) Jan 06 21:26:24 into contacts and messages Jan 06 21:26:34 why don't you put a nice toolbar? Jan 06 21:26:36 dolf1074: okay Jan 06 21:26:51 and instead of hover you can use hover2? Jan 06 21:27:15 into contacts you put "all contacts - search - group - SIM" Jan 06 21:27:32 or maybe something like: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/ba7699b4dd3688ec5e2035901fadc68f.png Jan 06 21:27:33 ? Jan 06 21:27:35 and messages you can do "inbox - outbox - draft" Jan 06 21:28:12 and I prefer for outgoing and incoming calls Jan 06 21:28:15 quickdev_: here is a similar one from a german user http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2cf09ed676a9c99bcb1e2da1dcea2bb6.png Jan 06 21:28:22 an invisible screen Jan 06 21:28:28 and not a white thing Jan 06 21:28:51 Ainulindale: how is requesting the display resource supposed to work? Jan 06 21:28:53 quickdev_: wrong link http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=775&sid=b01371b9564f63bdff10c94cd408c641 Jan 06 21:28:56 BluesLee, how does it look in rotated screen mode? Jan 06 21:29:03 I'm trying with mdbus... but it just tells me Service name not found Jan 06 21:29:11 BluesLee: mine is from german user too (qwertz), but i edited it Jan 06 21:29:29 however Jan 06 21:29:41 you all don't get very problem of the layout Jan 06 21:29:52 we need a bigger kbd layout as iPhone does Jan 06 21:30:13 http://www.iphone-ipod.org/wp-content/uploads/iphone-keyboard-2.jpg Jan 06 21:30:26 the keyboard needs to cover half screen Jan 06 21:30:37 with bigger buttons Jan 06 21:32:24 quickdev_: not good enough http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/d7ee456f36bd96f82a8cc73c44b7837c.png Jan 06 21:32:41 Hire: the main problem is that the iphone screen is bigger Jan 06 21:32:49 BluesLee, that looks quite fine :) Jan 06 21:33:09 BluesLee:i know it Jan 06 21:33:25 but however with a bigger layout Jan 06 21:33:27 it is better Jan 06 21:33:37 we have to cover half screen Jan 06 21:34:03 you will not win anything Jan 06 21:34:07 Ainulindale: can it be it needs frameworkd-devel? Jan 06 21:34:20 hire: if you cover half screen Jan 06 21:34:49 Hire: there is not enough space for a line like qwertzuiop Jan 06 21:35:22 why? Jan 06 21:35:42 Hire: the width of the freerunner is not enough ... Jan 06 21:35:59 i should say "the width of the screen" Jan 06 21:36:11 BluesLee: look at it: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e92e15d762cfa07d97cd1bd6d51a6ed7.png Jan 06 21:36:16 the iphone doesn't have the double width of the FR :D Jan 06 21:37:26 dos1: in rotated mode there is no problem, you can do what you want there, a lot of space Jan 06 21:37:46 the freerunner borders suck Jan 06 21:38:17 and make the screen "smaller" Jan 06 21:38:36 quickdev_: dont forget about the emotional icons, i like them;-) Jan 06 21:38:50 BluesLee, you should package that icon keyboard Jan 06 21:39:13 quickdev_: i dont use the freerunner anymore:-) Jan 06 21:39:26 BluesLee, why not? ;) Jan 06 21:41:16 however Jan 06 21:41:17 quickdev Jan 06 21:41:28 do you like my ideas? :> Jan 06 21:41:31 quickdev_: old phone + zaurus is okay for for the next weeks Jan 06 21:41:35 as put a toolbar into contacts and messages Jan 06 21:42:05 and makes outgoing/incoming calls a bit more cute? :> Jan 06 21:42:14 quickdev_: freerunner is time consuming;-) Jan 06 21:42:58 DocScrutinizrFlu: AYT? Do you think it's possible for a guy with access to a cool soldering wizards to change that 220K R that you suspect as the reason of #1024? Jan 06 21:43:20 * mrmoku thinks BluesLee is right... time consuming... BUT FUN :-) Jan 06 21:43:27 PaulFertser, how do you know that that could be the reason? :) Jan 06 21:43:43 sigh Jan 06 21:43:53 Hire, what ideas? Jan 06 21:44:02 half screen keyboard? ack Jan 06 21:44:04 PaulFertser: suggestion: piggyback a second R to make that 100k Jan 06 21:44:05 no Jan 06 21:44:06 quickdev_: Dieter wrote that it could influence 32kHz stability and that's it's against the datasheet. Jan 06 21:44:41 PaulFertser, very interesting - could I read that somewhere? Jan 06 21:44:42 DocScrutinizrFlu: Yes but i haven't disassembled that part myself. I'm afraid it's under a heavy-soldered can, no? Jan 06 21:44:43 Hire: You could just implement your ideas and show them when you finish Jan 06 21:45:07 nope, this can can be opened ;-) Jan 06 21:45:22 mrmoku: sure ... my zaurus is also fun;-) Jan 06 21:45:36 quickdev_: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-December/000870.html Jan 06 21:45:44 PaulFertser: MUCH appreciate any tests like that Jan 06 21:45:49 quickdev: i am talking about that you can put a nice toolbar into contacts and messages. makes a bit more easy to find a contacts with a group selection ( I type A and contacts shows me all the contacts that cointans "A" ) and makes outgoing/incoming calls a bit more cute with an invisible bg and a glass png ( I will do it ) for the number/name and duration Jan 06 21:45:57 DocScrutinizrFlu: Ok, i was talking about Sargun actually, because i don't experience #1024. Jan 06 21:46:01 jhass840: i am an asshole Jan 06 21:46:26 and you can swith from hover to hover2 Jan 06 21:46:44 DocScrutinizrFlu: I'd do it without a hesitation, but i can't test whether it helps or not, unfortunately :( Jan 06 21:47:02 Hire: How about you add something to contacts so I can have multiple numbers for one person under the same contact? Jan 06 21:47:24 jhass840: spank quickdev for that :D Jan 06 21:47:26 yeah, alway CND :-/ same here Jan 06 21:47:33 but for now it isn't avaiable Jan 06 21:47:41 Hire, concerning the toolbar in contacts - talk about that with dolf1074 :) Jan 06 21:47:45 Oh, someone is working on that now? Jan 06 21:47:58 dolf1074 Jan 06 21:48:10 DocScrutinizrFlu: If you tell Sargun, that it might help, he'll do it, i've already asked. ;) Jan 06 21:48:11 quickdev_, Hire, We all want a toolbar in contacts Jan 06 21:48:13 :) Jan 06 21:48:21 damn, I wanted that to be my contribution Jan 06 21:49:08 isn't it? Jan 06 21:49:31 jhass840, several numbers for one contact - that would be mean we have to implement something like a PIM - we will either implement a file based (like raste r did it) or use PIMD, if it'sin frameworkd....but if you want to work on that....we'd appreciate that :) Jan 06 21:49:40 i'm actually "out of order" due to flu, but it's a clear "go" from dieter's and my side for this ;-) Jan 06 21:50:09 DocScrutinizrFlu, CND? Jan 06 21:50:29 Can Not Dup Jan 06 21:54:44 DocScrutinizrFlu: So when i see him next time, i should tell him that Joerg told that soldering 180k in parallel to R1050 (which is believed to be 220k) to get 99k. And that the can can be lifted easily but with care. And that it would help OM. Correct? ;) Jan 06 21:56:56 quickdev_: Well, I'm thinking that what we would do is add another level of abstraction from what is contained on the SIM card. For example, on the SIM the information would look like a collection of contacts with the same name and different numbers. However when we read that information from the SIM we group contacts with the same name under a single entry. This is of course the basic idea. Then we need a way to dis Jan 06 21:56:58 PaulFertser: there's also another idea to attach a scope to the oscilator via two 50MR and watch stability of waveform during #1024. regarding (so when...) yup, correct. Jan 06 21:57:19 jhass840: that's too much work Jan 06 21:57:26 jhass840: For a short time Jan 06 21:57:32 DocScrutinizrFlu Jan 06 21:57:33 opimd will be there before (hopefully) Jan 06 21:57:33 DocScrutinizrFlu: That's a good idea for somebody who has good schematics ;) Jan 06 21:57:34 ping Jan 06 21:57:44 Sargun: Here you are :) Jan 06 21:57:45 and mickey, I'm still waiting for an answer :-) Jan 06 21:57:58 jhass840, but someday we have more and more data...and finally we don't want it on sim anymore...what do you think? Jan 06 21:57:59 Sargun: I tell you that Joerg told that soldering 180k in parallel to R1050 (which is believed to be 220k) to get 99k. And that the can can be lifted easily but with care. And that it would help OM. Correct? ;) Jan 06 21:58:04 PaulFertser: ;-) Jan 06 21:58:27 Ainulindale: Too much work for the freerunner? Jan 06 21:59:20 PaulFertser, Ah, ok, Would it be better for me to watch the clock somewhere? Jan 06 21:59:25 jhass840: an abstraction layer for SIM data Jan 06 21:59:29 jhass840: that's what opimd will be Jan 06 21:59:34 ask me for any detail regarding schem. guess i can help Jan 06 21:59:53 Ainulindale: Oh okay, I wasn't aware that was already being done Jan 06 22:00:12 jhass840: Well that's been a work in progress for a (too) long time Jan 06 22:00:17 Ainulindale, have you read about raster's idea? It's very interesting Jan 06 22:00:18 Everybody is waiting for it Jan 06 22:00:21 Sargun: Ask Joerg ;) He'll tell you where to look. And what to notice ;) Jan 06 22:00:25 quickdev_: No, I don't read raster's ideas Jan 06 22:00:29 Usually they make me puke Jan 06 22:00:31 DocScrutinizrFlu, Ah, ok, Would it be better for me to watch the clock somewhere? Jan 06 22:00:32 But what was it? :-) Jan 06 22:00:56 Ainulindale, his idea was to use a file based storage system Jan 06 22:01:06 with a library as abstraction layer Jan 06 22:01:13 I think that's dumb, sorry Jan 06 22:01:20 quickdev_: So you mean store the contacts on the phone itself instead of the SIM? Jan 06 22:01:26 Either we use something existing as a quick and dirty replacement Jan 06 22:01:28 such as evolution Jan 06 22:01:31 either we wait for opimd Jan 06 22:01:40 jhass840, yes Jan 06 22:01:50 I think the benefit from writing an abstraction layer will be superseded by opimd Jan 06 22:01:54 Sargun: you'll find R1050 at the upper left corner of U1001 on the page 2 of component placement pdf. Jan 06 22:01:55 That's my opinion Jan 06 22:02:12 Once again, here is not the place to talk about decisions of that magnitude, IMHO :-) Jan 06 22:02:16 Sargun: i think two 50megR at both sides of resonator to a scope would be fine Jan 06 22:02:18 We should talk about that on the ML Jan 06 22:03:13 DocScrutinizrFlu: I can't spot the resonator in the public accessible docs. Jan 06 22:03:29 DocScrutinizrFlu: that's what i meant when i said about good schematics. Jan 06 22:03:34 hmm... Jan 06 22:03:56 quickdev_: Well that's nice except if my freerunner breaks I loose all my stuff. The nice thing about a SIM is I can slap it into any phone and have all my contacts back. Maybe we could include an option to store contacts on the SD card instead. That way if the phone breaks there is a least one way to get contacts back Jan 06 22:04:24 jhass840: I think that conventions over SIM shouldn't be hard wired Jan 06 22:04:37 There's room for a logic processor, as the one ptitjes (another dev) thought about here Jan 06 22:04:53 Which would use inference rules to express this kind of stuff Jan 06 22:04:59 (contacts aggregation) Jan 06 22:04:59 jhass840, that should be configurable right (sim storage) Jan 06 22:05:16 Ainulindale, yes..sounds good Jan 06 22:05:24 But IMHO, this shouldn't be handled by the software but by the user (with template obviously) Jan 06 22:05:32 PaulFertser: sorry, like i said i'm out-of-order, but this xtal should be easy to spot Jan 06 22:05:36 Because I, for once, won't ever try to rewrite my SIM contacts Jan 06 22:05:40 I have 250 contacts Jan 06 22:05:44 I won't rewrite them Jan 06 22:06:34 DocScrutinizrFlu: Ok, i understand... So, i hope Sargun will provide you with testing results soon, won't he? ;) Jan 06 22:06:37 PaulFertser: may too easy ;-) its quite huge iirc Jan 06 22:06:39 quickdev_: of course, it should be. People like choices Jan 06 22:08:31 have a good day guys...I'm leaving Jan 06 22:08:39 PaulFertser: if you need a NDAd excerpt of schem, youll have to wait until i'm up and well again Jan 06 22:08:46 and Sargun, tell us if your soldering worked :) Jan 06 22:09:22 DocScrutinizrFlu: no, i don't need that. I'm useless in this investigation as i can't reproduce it anyway. Jan 06 22:09:43 you or sargun Jan 06 22:09:53 DocScrutinizrFlu, how hard to solder is it? Jan 06 22:10:10 no idea Jan 06 22:10:52 sorry Jan 06 22:11:08 have a n810 here Jan 06 22:11:38 It shouldn't be too hard, it's not too near the ICs, should be enough place for rework. Jan 06 22:12:06 no access to mail, internal files, or good pdf view Jan 06 22:13:18 We guessed it. The most important for us is that you don't hurry too much with your flu as it can have some nasty comlications. ;) Jan 06 22:13:31 access to the two wires of xtal should also be feasible iirc Jan 06 22:13:40 PaulFertser, could it be possible to stick a resistor to it without soldering it? holding it in your fingers...with the two contacts established? :) Jan 06 22:14:27 quickdev_: not practical, i guess ;) Jan 06 22:14:58 quickdev_: nope Jan 06 22:15:02 quickdev_: too small for the trick ;) Jan 06 22:15:03 PaulFertser, just to see if it stops bouncing when you connect it Jan 06 22:15:30 PaulFertser, how small is it? :) Jan 06 22:16:03 quickdev_: you might try Jan 06 22:17:02 success (stop) is good result, everything else is no result at all Jan 06 22:17:07 DocScrutinizrFlu, first question: Where do I get those torx screw drivers? :) Jan 06 22:17:16 DocScrutinizrFlu, yeah..hehe Jan 06 22:18:17 quickdev_: 0402 i guess. Jan 06 22:19:10 quickdev_: i managed to disassemble my FR (for applying a screen protector) using small flat screwdriver carefully. But i don't recommend that ;) Jan 06 22:19:40 where can I find installed application ? list, files or somting similar? Jan 06 22:20:05 sorry buying a tx6 isnt a big thing Jan 06 22:21:24 DocScrutinizrFlu, Err, wait, I had to walk away. Will you be here in like 10 minutes? Jan 06 22:21:30 quickdev_: it's probably 1x0.5 mm. Jan 06 22:21:59 sure Jan 06 22:29:27 DocScrutinizrFlu, The main reason why I don't want to do too much soldering with my board, is because a broken board = Poor me. Jan 06 22:30:25 i see Jan 06 22:31:19 Sargun: disassemble your FR and show it to your SMT wizard. I think he'll ensure you that it's not too risky to try ;) Jan 06 22:32:31 Sargun: moreover, Joerg recommends to solder the R in parallel, without desoldering R1050. So, this additional R can be easily desoldered later if it doesn't help. Jan 06 22:33:23 Sargun: tell your SMT wizard the word "piggyback" ;) Jan 06 22:34:10 PaulFertser, Yeah, but he says, desoldering it may be a bigger problem. Jan 06 22:35:05 DocScrutinizrFlu, It'd be easier for me to look for a particular clock. Jan 06 22:35:11 or lack thereof. Jan 06 22:35:42 Sargun: he'll need to see the place on board to be sure. If nothing obstacles it too much, he'll sharpen his heat tweezors (or how they called) and desolder that additional R. Jan 06 22:36:21 Wait, why are we soldering our freerunner? Jan 06 22:36:59 jhass840, didn't you read the some assembly required note? Jan 06 22:37:02 Sargun: then look at the clock. But i'm afraid that you won't be able to notice a slight frequency change that can possibly lead to #1024. It might work and it might not work. One needs to try. Jan 06 22:37:27 PaulFertser, If I can squeeze another FR out of DocScrutinizrFlu, I might try it ;-) Jan 06 22:37:28 Sargun: anyway you'll need to lift the can, i guess. Jan 06 22:37:38 Sargun: no, I didn't. What is the soldering for? Jan 06 22:38:15 jhass840, we're exploring a fix for bug #1024 Jan 06 22:38:44 Sargun: and after lifting the can show the board to your SMT guy and show him R1050 and ask how hard the work to solder one R piggyback on it would be and how hard to desolder it after the test. Jan 06 22:38:51 Hopefully I don't need to solder anything. I don't have a very steady hand Jan 06 22:39:10 PaulFertser, Alright, let me try to get a hold of him Jan 06 22:41:02 Sargun: (another) lets talk about this later. for now chances are small Jan 06 22:41:56 night guys Jan 06 22:42:06 * Hire kisses the chan on the forehead Jan 06 22:44:15 mew Jan 06 22:45:23 DocScrutinizrFlu, I'll copy and paste everything here, and see if he's willing to work on it. If he is, I'm guessing he'll ask for a slightly more detailed doc. Jan 06 22:47:01 Sargun: ok. dont expect an answer (of me) tho before if fought down my flew. sorry. Jan 06 22:47:36 * i've Jan 06 22:48:10 Sargun: the only docs available are http://downloads.openmoko.org/schematics/GTA02/Component-placement_Freerunner-GTA02-MB-A6.pdf and the Dieter's report http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-December/000870.html Jan 06 22:49:30 Sargun: R1050 can be found at the upper left corner of U1001 on the second page of the pdf. The x-tal should be somewhere nearby, you'll see it. Jan 06 22:50:56 DocScrutinizrFlu, flu. Jan 06 22:53:13 theres one xtl near can boundry (bat con), not so easy to attach. its ok to cut a small piece of can to better reach it. not verifd tho for correct component Jan 06 22:54:10 seems time to say bye, bbl Jan 06 23:20:07 Sargun: i have to go to, 2:20am here. See you and thank you in advance. Good luck, let the force be with you! :) Jan 06 23:26:21 s/let the force/may the Force/ Jan 06 23:26:21 PaulFertser meant: Sargun: i have to go to, 2:20am here. See you and thank you in advance. Good luck, may the Force be with you! :) Jan 07 00:01:31 mw|: Let me know when that git problem gets fixed Jan 07 00:03:32 hey Jan 07 00:04:05 I'm new to openmoko stuff. Which SHR release is recommended? Jan 07 00:05:25 let me ask my question more specifically: which root filesystem and kernel do I need to download? Jan 07 00:05:47 I have the GTA02 Jan 07 00:10:00 I use root image shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and kernel uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin Jan 07 00:10:53 jhass840: thank you Jan 07 00:11:01 no problem Jan 07 00:11:35 reinouts: Are you planning on using the freerunner as a phone? Jan 07 00:12:41 jhass840: in "toy" mode yes, I still have a day to day phone Jan 07 00:13:05 reinouts: what kind of SIM card do you have? Is it one of the AT&T 3G cards? Jan 07 00:13:31 jhass840: I'm in the Netherlands and all I know it's on the 1800 band Jan 07 00:13:54 help: how can I get list of instalet packages ? Jan 07 00:13:58 the provider is T-Online Jan 07 00:13:59 oh okay, you're probably fine then Jan 07 00:14:15 ok Jan 07 00:14:21 reinouts: The reason I ask is that some people have problems with AT&T SIM cards Jan 07 00:14:29 thanks for asking, then :) Jan 07 00:14:41 again, no problem Jan 07 00:19:07 yoyo: Try opkg -list_installed Jan 07 00:20:36 yoyo: Wait, it's opkg list_installed, sorry Jan 07 00:21:46 haha :) jhass840 thx :) Jan 07 00:21:57 yoyo: you're welcome Jan 07 00:22:47 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07tracking * r88c8bb722671 10gsm0710muxd/src/gsm0710muxd.c: Jan 07 00:22:47 freesmartphone.org: sync. with 1.7 upstream: Jan 07 00:22:47 freesmartphone.org: * report a warning, if ptx buffer is full Jan 07 00:22:47 freesmartphone.org: * enable additional SIEMENS C35 functionality Jan 07 00:22:47 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07tracking * rc13531a92312 10gsm0710muxd/ (4 files in 3 dirs): slight configuration changes and more verbose output if we are dropping bytes due to the ptx buffer being full Jan 07 01:51:40 mickey: C35? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 07 02:59:57 2009