**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 12 02:59:57 2009 Jan 12 03:13:13 hey everybody Jan 12 03:13:31 anyone awake? Jan 12 03:23:03 ! Jan 12 03:23:25 anyone successfully change their ringtone on SHR? Jan 12 03:23:56 nope, like the default ring tone :) Jan 12 03:24:55 i thought it'd be as simple as editing /etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/conf/phone/default.yaml . But it still plays the default Arkanoid sound Jan 12 03:25:31 i assume ou restarted after changing that? Jan 12 03:25:55 yah. i wasn't sure if it was needed, but I tried it once Jan 12 03:26:07 does it maybe not support mp3? Jan 12 03:26:17 oh, no, it doesn't Jan 12 03:26:33 i converted it to a wav, but I didn't restart after that.... Guess I should try it Jan 12 03:26:46 om could get in major legal trouble for shipping mp3 capable software w/o the proper licenses Jan 12 03:27:46 well, doesn't SHR include mplayer that supports mp3 just fine? Jan 12 03:32:48 ok, the wav works Jan 12 03:33:14 but it doesn't replay once it's finished. should it? Jan 12 03:35:10 ime, no Jan 12 03:36:09 ime = in my experience? Jan 12 03:43:21 i thought it was supposed to be easy to swallow widgets from elementary in to an edje part? Jan 12 04:22:17 AntonTakk: it is Jan 12 04:23:24 i don't understand how - if elementary widgets have to be in an elementary window, and the window can't be contained in an edje part? Jan 12 04:23:55 also, i ran the elementary-test app - it has no text either Jan 12 04:25:14 no9 Jan 12 04:25:21 create them relative to the window Jan 12 04:25:33 iw create win Jan 12 04:26:06 put edje IN the win (u can also use the edje wrapper - the elementary layout widget that also handles if swallowed widgets change size etc.) Jan 12 04:26:20 b ut create the widghet with an elementary win as parent Jan 12 04:26:31 u can just throw any object into the canvas (evas) of the win Jan 12 04:26:40 (evas_object_evas_get(win)) Jan 12 04:26:45 as for text Jan 12 04:26:53 likely missing fontconfig support in evas Jan 12 04:26:57 or missing aSans font Jan 12 04:27:03 in your fontconfig setup Jan 12 04:27:57 so instead of loading and displaying the edje and pulling widgets in to it, i create an elm window, pull the edje in to it, and tack elementary widgets on to it? Jan 12 04:28:38 (this is all very painfull for my brain) :) Jan 12 04:32:05 yes Jan 12 04:32:16 because elm doesnt check if a parent is an elm widget or not Jan 12 04:32:20 it blindly assumes it is Jan 12 04:32:23 when u create a widget Jan 12 04:33:43 ok, i'll have to play with that, out of curiosity, how come buttons and the clock widget seemed to work fine (minus text) w/o having en elm win as their parent? Jan 12 04:34:24 pure luck Jan 12 04:34:32 u are just lucky not to trigger a segv Jan 12 04:34:45 u likely will get them later on Jan 12 04:34:50 or "bizarre behavior" Jan 12 04:35:04 yeah, segv is what i got from the entry widget Jan 12 04:50:28 :) Jan 12 05:18:51 hooray Jan 12 05:19:00 finally compiling on my bb is a happening thing Jan 12 05:33:09 woo Jan 12 05:33:12 hooray for that Jan 12 06:45:43 ok, working from a stripped down copy of the elementary_test source, do i use elm_win_inwin_add to pull in the edje file, or am i missing smething? Jan 12 06:47:21 no needf for inwin Jan 12 06:47:26 unless u want a window in a window Jan 12 06:47:42 and thats currently limited in geometry to a sub-portion of the window with a gap Jan 12 06:47:45 theme defines that Jan 12 06:47:52 just create a new elm_Win Jan 12 06:47:56 it returns an evas object Jan 12 06:48:00 that can be a parent for any widgets u create Jan 12 06:48:12 it also has create a real canvas and window attached Jan 12 06:51:26 ok, so, i have win = elm_win_add(...), which creates the win, i don't understand how to make it display the edje theme, none of the function names jump out at me Jan 12 06:51:32 or am i missing something? Jan 12 06:51:52 add edje object Jan 12 06:51:53 show it Jan 12 06:52:06 if u want the window to handle the resize Jan 12 06:52:11 set your edje as a resize object Jan 12 06:52:28 not sure if that will be happy with it being a generic evas object Jan 12 06:53:01 so edje_object_file_set(...) and then just show it? Jan 12 06:53:03 yup Jan 12 06:53:13 it'll be perfectly happy with it being any evas obj Jan 12 06:53:19 yes Jan 12 06:53:20 * AntonTakk wanders off in search of the show function Jan 12 06:53:30 IF u8 want the window to resise it for u when window is resized Jan 12 06:53:40 elm_win_resize_object_add(win, edje_obj) Jan 12 06:53:51 evas_object_show() Jan 12 06:53:54 :) Jan 12 06:54:04 might be good, thou i don't plan on it ever being more than one size, but you never know Jan 12 06:56:18 you need to Jan 12 06:56:25 as it will resize if screen res changes Jan 12 06:56:27 screen rotates Jan 12 06:56:30 vkbd appears Jan 12 06:56:35 ah Jan 12 06:56:44 if it were not fullscreen also when user changes config so illume top bar changes size Jan 12 06:56:45 etc. Jan 12 06:56:52 lots oof things could change a windows size Jan 12 06:56:57 you need to handle it Jan 12 06:56:58 :) Jan 12 06:57:08 never assume it will be a fixed known size Jan 12 06:57:43 you will need to handle a range of sizes Jan 12 06:57:52 from sub qvga Jan 12 06:57:55 up to much higher Jan 12 06:57:59 u cant handle everything of course Jan 12 06:58:04 a 10x10 pixel window is uselss Jan 12 06:58:11 but u need to consider a useful range Jan 12 06:58:27 ie any resolutions u are likely to encounter in possible devices Jan 12 06:58:28 not if you only need to display a 9x9 icon ;), but yes, i see the point Jan 12 06:58:40 in todays world thats qvga up to qvga or therabouts Jan 12 06:59:11 and qvga u need to accoutn for some screen space going to system controls Jan 12 06:59:21 but test on that range and u are going to be fine Jan 12 06:59:21 :) Jan 12 07:05:28 it doesn't like anything i try to pass to edje_object_add Jan 12 07:05:51 edje_object_add(evas_object_evas_get(win)); Jan 12 07:05:54 my shr unstable just resumed with the clock 30min late Jan 12 07:06:56 ah, thanks Jan 12 07:07:31 now i just need to figure out why it's so small and un-resizeable (the window it's self) Jan 12 07:09:26 it should be resizble Jan 12 07:09:38 but it'll be small because the edje object doesnbt export a min size Jan 12 07:09:41 u can fix this with Jan 12 07:10:08 evas_object_size_hint_min_set(edje_ojb, wifth, height); Jan 12 07:10:19 as such elementary widgets (objects) set thise automatically and correctly Jan 12 07:10:26 thus sizing can propagate from child to parent Jan 12 07:11:56 ah, much better, still not lettimg me resize, atleast not be dragging the window borders Jan 12 07:13:21 u can set max size the same way Jan 12 07:13:27 set it to -1 -1 to allow unlimited Jan 12 07:13:37 (or justr a silly size like 10000x10000) Jan 12 07:14:00 which distro has A-GPS support for FR? and Wifi? Jan 12 07:15:21 nfi Jan 12 07:15:34 eeeekscheleeeent Jan 12 07:15:40 detecting neon presence Jan 12 07:16:25 woo, ready so start building a nice ui, but not tonight, tonight i sleep, cause tomorrow, i work :-\ Jan 12 07:16:36 thanks for all the help raster :) Jan 12 07:16:51 :) Jan 12 07:20:30 not going to get in to detail tonight, but for adding elm widgets, now that everything is in an elm window, can I just create the widget and edje_object_part_swallow() it, or is it done another way? Jan 12 07:20:47 yes Jan 12 07:20:49 that should work Jan 12 07:20:53 woot! Jan 12 07:20:55 :) Jan 12 07:21:11 note that min/max etc. size hooks will not always work quite right as u wont have glue from edje -> widget Jan 12 07:21:27 if u wantthat glue Jan 12 07:21:27 use elementary_layout Jan 12 07:21:27 elm_layout Jan 12 07:21:31 ok Jan 12 07:21:40 it is a wrapper around edje Jan 12 07:21:47 ot swallow Jan 12 07:21:52 use elm_layout_content_set() Jan 12 07:21:58 its the same as the swallow in edje Jan 12 07:22:11 BUt it also adds the hooks for tracking if what u swallowed changes min/max etc. size hints Jan 12 07:22:15 and thus appropriately handles it Jan 12 07:22:27 u can get the edje object for sewtting text, emitting singals etc. Jan 12 07:22:34 elm_layout_edje_get() gets it for you Jan 12 07:22:36 takes the same args? Jan 12 07:22:44 yes Jan 12 07:22:47 same args Jan 12 07:22:56 sweet :-) Jan 12 07:23:07 elm_layout_file_set() same as edje_object_file_set() Jan 12 07:23:11 almost makes me want to call in sick tomorrow so I can work on this Jan 12 07:23:20 lets u do all u like - and it retains the object heiracy Jan 12 07:23:23 but no, a steady paycheck is a good thing Jan 12 07:23:46 this basically is the glu to let u mix and match edje and elementary Jan 12 07:23:55 normal evas objects can be packed into elm widgets too Jan 12 07:24:04 tho u'd have to manually set min/max hitns etc. Jan 12 07:24:06 hints Jan 12 07:25:42 cool, thanks again, and have a good $timeperiod :) Jan 12 07:25:53 :) Jan 12 07:50:02 so. better IRC here. Jan 12 07:50:30 what is wrong when the FreeRunner's clock is late after resuming? Jan 12 08:38:29 just finished building shr-unstable - worked, but where is the image? There are some vmlinux files about the right size, so ... Jan 12 08:39:00 I presume I have to turn one (which one?) into a jffs2 to flash - correct? Jan 12 08:58:17 no Jan 12 08:58:25 billk: it should be in tmp/deploy/glibc/images Jan 12 08:58:29 or something like that Jan 12 09:03:48 Ainulindale: Thanks, but no jffs2 files except for xxxx.cmd.jffs2.o file - I used make image - is there another make command I should use? Something like "make jffs2" ?? Jan 12 09:10:03 billk: you used make image? You didn't use the SHR makefile? Jan 12 09:11:17 Yes - followed the wiki. After failing to buid shr-testing - saw emails saying it currently doesnt build but do shr-unstable Jan 12 09:11:43 Then you should have the jffs2 files Jan 12 09:11:59 wiki says to cd into directory (shr-testing, shr-unstable for me) and run "make image" Jan 12 09:12:13 I have kernel files but no jffs2 images Jan 12 09:12:18 please pastebin ls shr-unstable/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/* Jan 12 09:12:50 ok Jan 12 09:13:04 nick ptitjes|work Jan 12 09:13:21 wow Jan 12 09:13:28 nick lapoliss Jan 12 09:13:33 ptitjes|work: how's life? Jan 12 09:13:39 arfarfarf :) Jan 12 09:13:51 fine thanks and how is your body ? Jan 12 09:13:58 do you feel better ? Jan 12 09:14:10 Yeah feeling better Jan 12 09:14:15 cool! Jan 12 09:14:32 I must go Jan 12 09:14:36 c u soon Jan 12 09:14:40 Bye Jan 12 09:16:07 Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/m15072ae9 Jan 12 09:16:30 Please run make image again, that's not normal. Jan 12 09:16:34 It may have failed Jan 12 09:16:50 What I'd suggest if you want to be sure Jan 12 09:16:53 Go into shr-unstable Jan 12 09:16:55 do . setup-env Jan 12 09:16:58 then bitbake shr-image Jan 12 09:17:10 (that's what make image is doing) Jan 12 09:17:33 Ainulindale: ok Jan 12 09:26:40 Ainulindale: tkx, has taken off and started building more packages so make image must have ended prematurely, and didnt restart when re-run Jan 12 09:27:08 Ainulindale: the "bitbake shr-image" kiked off. Jan 12 09:27:23 Good. Jan 12 09:30:06 are there any recent elmentary ipkg-s around? Jan 12 09:30:25 crosscompiling it from source gives me headaches Jan 12 09:30:28 :( Jan 12 09:31:54 Ainulindale: I don't have jffs2 either... Jan 12 09:31:56 something broke Jan 12 09:32:42 hi btw. how are you? Jan 12 09:33:22 Fine, thanks Jan 12 09:34:15 i started a complete new build with our Makefile in build subdir Jan 12 09:34:18 still going though Jan 12 09:37:12 billk: if you don't get the jffs2 this time... update OE. I had that yesterday and after updating OE it worked Jan 12 09:38:05 mrmoku: will do Jan 12 09:38:35 Hi, is it possible to get fast (near) fullscreen updates using Gtk? Jan 12 09:59:06 Nice, libframeworkd-phonegui-efl is crashing Jan 12 10:02:52 Ainulindale: on new SMS? Jan 12 10:03:13 On SIM fufll Jan 12 10:03:14 -f Jan 12 10:03:15 10:49:41 -!- sakkara [n=sakkara@80.121.180.94] has joined #openmoko Jan 12 10:03:17 Woops Jan 12 10:03:20 ophonekitd: view/dialog-view.c:17: dialog_view_show: Assertion `data->type != ((void *)0)' failed. Jan 12 10:03:32 hehe, spank quickdev ;) Jan 12 10:03:40 I will Jan 12 10:19:58 no new image for SHR? Jan 12 10:24:33 Hire: build is running... won't work though ;) Jan 12 10:28:27 anybody has problems with the unofficial echo patch on shr? ophonekitd wont start if i apply it... Jan 12 10:31:38 I can't see why ophonekitd wouldn't start Jan 12 10:39:22 indeed Jan 12 10:39:34 it is a fso's issue Jan 12 10:45:53 Ainulindale: http://pastebin.com/m580f5799 Jan 12 10:46:54 Ah that's your fault Jan 12 10:47:03 You wrongly patched frameworkd Jan 12 10:47:29 i just copied it o0 Jan 12 10:47:43 Well read the error Jan 12 10:47:48 Wrong indent Jan 12 10:49:32 hi Jan 12 10:51:49 Ainulindale: ah, thank you, sorry for my stupidity, didnt know python is so strict on indent Jan 12 11:08:38 I see my temp battery value growing from 178 to 286. do you know if this is value is F or C ? anyway it is very big Jan 12 11:08:58 are any other temp counter we can monitor ? Jan 12 11:12:37 raster, are you around? Jan 12 12:01:38 stefan_schmidt: ping Jan 12 12:02:16 jipey: *10 C Jan 12 12:02:24 jipey: 28.6 is pretty normal Jan 12 12:02:35 mrmoku: pong Jan 12 12:02:54 stefan_schmidt: I think my question did not make it... damn 24h disconnect ;) Jan 12 12:02:57 12:53 < mrmoku> stefan_schmidt: hi, is there some known regression with the om kernel as currently built by OE? Jan 12 12:03:06 12:53 < mrmoku> i get kernel panics when booting from SD Jan 12 12:03:13 you know something about that? Jan 12 12:03:17 jipey: 44.1 is the hottest i've seen Jan 12 12:03:27 jipey: -1.6 is the coldest Jan 12 12:03:29 mrmoku: hmm, .28 you mean? Jan 12 12:03:35 stefan_schmidt: yep Jan 12 12:03:36 mrmoku: I don't test SD here Jan 12 12:03:53 stefan_schmidt: if i compile from git (with a differenct config probably) it boots Jan 12 12:03:59 mrmoku: shoragan sorted out some drivers into modules, maybe also SD? Jan 12 12:04:11 stefan_schmidt: sorry for the late reply, but Hi :-> Jan 12 12:04:32 stefan_schmidt: would be bad ;) Jan 12 12:04:33 mrmoku: The problem is that the default config produces an image that is to big for the default uboot config and therefor does not boot at all Jan 12 12:04:42 Ainulindale: he Jan 12 12:04:46 Ainulindale: hi Jan 12 12:04:56 stefan_schmidt: how's life? Jan 12 12:05:03 Ainulindale: fine Jan 12 12:05:17 Ainulindale: Just writing a kernel usage report for .28 Jan 12 12:05:17 Good :-) Jan 12 12:05:29 stefan_schmidt, mrmoku: is there no possibility to make uboot accept bigger images by default? i mean; what is the use to prevent it by default? Jan 12 12:05:34 Need to make some pressure to the kernel people to look at some older bugs :) Jan 12 12:05:49 Zorkman: sure, you just have to change the env Jan 12 12:06:00 stefan_schmidt: that's a pious wish Jan 12 12:06:06 Zorkman: One line, but people would have to mess with the bootloader for it Jan 12 12:06:15 stefan_schmidt: be sure to include shiny things, else they won't look :-) Jan 12 12:06:28 Zorkman: And I don't like to support 100s people doing so :) Jan 12 12:06:35 Ainulindale: heh Jan 12 12:07:04 Ah, and the NOR bootloader env is fixed so you can only change this if you have a debug board Jan 12 12:07:48 * mrmoku understands stefan_schmidt in not wanting to support 100 people fiddling around with u-boot env ;) Jan 12 12:08:06 that's because he's lazy Jan 12 12:08:12 (and late) Jan 12 12:08:25 * Ainulindale is evil today Jan 12 12:08:48 Ainulindale: you can't say that... after he responded to so many (old) mails :p Jan 12 12:09:07 mrmoku: heh, why do you think I said late :-) Jan 12 12:09:20 :-) Jan 12 12:09:37 Ainulindale: I'm testing the image right now... Jan 12 12:09:40 some things Jan 12 12:09:46 first the kernel panics Jan 12 12:09:54 (at least booting from SD) Jan 12 12:09:56 mrmoku, what is the panic message? Jan 12 12:10:14 "Cucumber Error. Please reboot the universe" Jan 12 12:10:31 shoragan: don't remember exactly... something about rootfs Jan 12 12:10:43 can you reproduce it? Jan 12 12:10:44 if you need it more precisely I have to reinstall the other kernel Jan 12 12:10:46 yep Jan 12 12:10:53 which FS do you use for rootfs? Jan 12 12:11:54 Ainulindale: third the shr config for framework needs to be adjusted Jan 12 12:11:59 shoragan: ext3 Jan 12 12:12:03 mrmoku: why is that? Jan 12 12:12:15 mrmoku, that is a module now ;) Jan 12 12:12:47 we could try if it still fits with ext3 and ext2, but it was rather close Jan 12 12:12:49 shoragan: hehe, bad Jan 12 12:13:01 Ainulindale: there's some new file under /etc/freesmartphone Jan 12 12:13:12 specifically networks.tab... which makes gsm not to come up Jan 12 12:13:18 thanks lindi- Jan 12 12:13:27 mrmoku: well I'll let you do that then :-p Jan 12 12:13:42 (I'm quite busy and I leave for the dentist at 15h30) Jan 12 12:13:44 yep, just wanted to give you a summary :p Jan 12 12:13:49 jipey: since the battery heats itself it can't be used to measure outside temperature except maybe when it resumes from long suspend Jan 12 12:14:02 mrmoku, this file containes the network database and is now needed Jan 12 12:14:35 lindi-: is there any other temp counter ? Jan 12 12:14:43 shoragan: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(176,1) Jan 12 12:15:18 Ainulindale: I have one more ;) Jan 12 12:15:21 jipey: afaik not Jan 12 12:15:29 e is asking two more questions on first boot Jan 12 12:15:38 first it asks to add mplayer to the desktop Jan 12 12:15:49 and second asks for apps to add to the IBar... Jan 12 12:15:56 is there a way to turn that off? Jan 12 12:16:09 jipey: but it would be nice to have Jan 12 12:16:15 jipey: compass would be nice too :P Jan 12 12:16:15 shoragan: can we include that module please? Jan 12 12:16:26 ext2 would work? Jan 12 12:16:50 ext2 neither Jan 12 12:16:52 lindi- sure :) anyway, this makes the phone totally unusable to me Jan 12 12:17:00 * mrmoku refuses to use FAT ;) Jan 12 12:17:08 fat is also a module Jan 12 12:17:19 hehe, so booting from SD is impossible? Jan 12 12:17:27 mirko-paroli: i am Jan 12 12:17:27 yes :) Jan 12 12:17:29 but going to eat Jan 12 12:17:47 raster: Don't eat or you get fat :) Jan 12 12:17:51 raster: yo Jan 12 12:18:08 ahhahaha Jan 12 12:18:08 :) Jan 12 12:19:54 shoragan: what is defconfig-oe.patch based on? Jan 12 12:20:01 the one in git Jan 12 12:20:20 shoragan: there are two Jan 12 12:20:43 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/ad1de642ca91073e521bc1b74cb090fc.png <-- do you like it? Jan 12 12:20:43 raster: LOL Jan 12 12:20:45 ./arch/arm/configs/gta02-moredrivers-defconfig Jan 12 12:21:04 raster: r u going to be back later, not up-to-date with your timezone Jan 12 12:21:05 shoragan: there is also arch/arm/configs/gta02-packaging-defconfig Jan 12 12:21:17 i'll be bak Jan 12 12:21:21 k Jan 12 12:21:30 I'll just bug you then ;) Jan 12 12:21:36 dolf1074: checking out your forum, there is a wrong url in the message we can see at the home screen Jan 12 12:21:47 shoragan: isn't moredrivers for developers not wanting to install the modules? Jan 12 12:21:50 dolf1074: its pointing to http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/dde69671a27f765a568e9eb07ee Jan 12 12:21:58 jipey: really? Jan 12 12:22:13 mrmoku, moredrivers is what we always used :) Jan 12 12:22:54 shoragan: and some day andy added the other one... which was supposed to be the config distros use IIRC Jan 12 12:23:06 Zorkman: strange, I see the 2 images Jan 12 12:23:18 mrmoku, i'll look at it Jan 12 12:23:26 ok, thanks Jan 12 12:23:29 dolf1074: I'm not convinced by forums, especially forums not hosted by SHR Jan 12 12:24:11 lindi- yep, when I use CPU consumming apps, screen - and everything else - freezes. and the GTA02 won't restart properly until I let it sleeping some time. Jan 12 12:24:18 Ainulindale: I'm convinced by this forum (but I don't know if we can host it ourself) Jan 12 12:24:23 jipey: odd Jan 12 12:24:27 Ainulindale: I'm off to eat now... good luck with your dentist Jan 12 12:24:39 mrmoku: thanks Jan 12 12:24:55 dolf1074: well in any case, I wouldn't like to see a forum not hosted directly on our server Jan 12 12:24:57 Ainulindale: I checked it out, we can host the software (if we want eventually) Jan 12 12:26:35 Well we can't do that like that Jan 12 12:26:44 We have a hoster, and he has his say Jan 12 12:26:54 And I'm not sure a forum is necessary Jan 12 12:26:59 First of all because I wouldn't go and read it Jan 12 12:27:08 But I'm speaking for me here Jan 12 12:28:16 I think it is better than a mailling list Jan 12 12:28:37 and because the mailing list isn't used that much, maybe it is better to try a forum Jan 12 12:28:55 The mailing list is not used because we don't communicate that much Jan 12 12:28:59 THat's my opinion Jan 12 12:29:14 Last newsletter generated a good number of subscriptions Jan 12 12:29:15 one of the shortcommings of scap is the lack of ability to add a comment to something, maybe the forum can help... Jan 12 12:29:28 Zorkman: Mail can help as well Jan 12 12:29:31 +s Jan 12 12:29:33 yeah the newletter was good Jan 12 12:29:42 i don't care :) Jan 12 12:29:43 (also the fact that there is a blog) Jan 12 12:29:48 forum, irc, ml, is the same for me Jan 12 12:30:15 well for me it isn't Jan 12 12:30:18 Ainulindale: Feeling bit better with communication now? Jan 12 12:30:57 Well, I think we communicate a lot inside SHR, but it all happens on the IRC. Now that forum has something like an IRC because you don't have to reload itself Jan 12 12:31:10 Ainulindale: Still not perfect, but we take such feedback seriously. Jan 12 12:31:36 and the advantage about using that forum instead of IRC is threads and the conversations are saved somewhere obvious Jan 12 12:32:04 I already have difficulties reading and answering mails dolf1074 :-) Jan 12 12:32:17 stefan_schmidt: yeah better, but keep it like that, make it live Jan 12 12:32:20 make people react Jan 12 12:32:37 Ainulindale: working on it :) Jan 12 12:32:41 dolf1074: and about the IRC thing Jan 12 12:32:47 Each time someone talks to me about important stuff here Jan 12 12:32:56 I keep telling him to post on the ML Jan 12 12:33:04 Alas, I'm the only one posting to the ML about important stuff :-) Jan 12 12:33:10 But they don't do it, because it's to hard? Jan 12 12:33:16 Not too hard Jan 12 12:33:18 Because they're lazy Jan 12 12:33:20 Because they don't like it? Jan 12 12:33:20 As I am Jan 12 12:33:33 Stop trying to find excuses :-) Jan 12 12:33:45 It's not a matter of liking or not Jan 12 12:33:46 I really think it's worth the shot Jan 12 12:34:08 I'm telling you, this is a matter of time & availability & laziness Jan 12 12:34:14 I personally would have difficulties to use a forum Jan 12 12:34:16 Because it bores me Jan 12 12:34:20 Because it needs moderators Jan 12 12:34:25 Because I don't want to assume that responsability Jan 12 12:34:35 Because a ML is easier to manage Jan 12 12:34:47 That's my opinion Jan 12 12:34:55 Ainulindale: on the awn forum, there were no moderators, because people himself can do moderating stuff but rating a topic Jan 12 12:35:01 Though I'm neither the boss of SHR, nor the single opinion to consider Jan 12 12:35:06 hey Jan 12 12:35:08 raster, here? Jan 12 12:35:09 hey Jan 12 12:35:11 quickdev: come and get spanked Jan 12 12:35:16 here I am Jan 12 12:35:19 ophonekitd: view/dialog-view.c:17: dialog_view_show: Assertion `data->type != ((void *)0)' failed. Jan 12 12:35:23 (full SIM) Jan 12 12:35:31 I fixed that! (locally) Jan 12 12:35:41 It is already fixed on git Jan 12 12:35:41 Then commit that lazy ass Jan 12 12:35:45 I did that ;) Jan 12 12:35:49 fine, thanks :) Jan 12 12:35:56 Then you should have asked to regenerate the package Jan 12 12:35:59 Because it's not up to date Jan 12 12:36:07 And for that Jan 12 12:36:14 I won't listen to your arguments pro-forum Jan 12 12:36:15 okay, sorry Jan 12 12:36:23 Pow! Too bad! :-) Jan 12 12:36:30 ahah Jan 12 12:36:43 I will now cry in my bed Jan 12 12:36:49 see ya Jan 12 12:37:10 dolf1074: Anyway, this should be discussed on the ML, and polled on the ML, and not on an external too, furthermore a tool not SHR hosted Jan 12 12:37:15 +l Jan 12 12:37:18 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rcf8ecea98c44 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (const.py sms.py): Jan 12 12:37:18 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add new properties to SMS messages Jan 12 12:37:18 freesmartphone.org: This adds support for setting and getting alphabet (encoding) and PID Jan 12 12:37:18 freesmartphone.org: over sms.properties Jan 12 12:37:47 dolf1074: http://yourargumentisinvalid.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/my_house_is_a_lego_mans_head.jpg Jan 12 12:38:00 Ainulindale: I think everybody should use it for a couple of days and then decide what to do. And not decide on the word 'forum' Jan 12 12:38:10 dolf1074: I disagree :-) Jan 12 12:38:22 mrmoku, simply enabling ext2&3 makes the image too big Jan 12 12:38:45 That's because you have decided you don't like to use that forum, just by hearing the word forum Jan 12 12:38:55 dolf1074: No Jan 12 12:38:57 I told you Jan 12 12:39:01 13:35:00 < Ainulindale> Though I'm neither the boss of SHR, nor the single opinion to consider Jan 12 12:39:16 That's not about your forum in particular Jan 12 12:39:18 however Jan 12 12:39:20 I don't like forum, I'm like that Jan 12 12:39:28 +s Jan 12 12:39:40 dolf1074: So what I'd suggest is to stick with the discussion on the ML and see how it goes Jan 12 12:39:43 And sum up the pro and cons Jan 12 12:39:53 Ainulindale: isn't so. i had see a your post on the opnenmoko-fr forum Jan 12 12:39:58 dolf1074: FYI I asked bearstech what they could host for us Jan 12 12:40:05 For now they're ok for vanilla (which is cool) Jan 12 12:40:08 I asked them for metaforum Jan 12 12:40:18 Hire: Someone asked me to post there Jan 12 12:40:34 however#2 ainulindale you can put phpbb on that Jan 12 12:40:43 No. Jan 12 12:40:58 I won't listen anything remotely connected to phpbb Jan 12 12:40:58 you will be not the admin Jan 12 12:41:01 I'd rather kill myself Jan 12 12:41:04 ok Jan 12 12:41:08 PhpBB is CRAP Jan 12 12:41:08 go on :D Jan 12 12:41:09 dolf1074: half of the belgian community will give it a go ;-) Jan 12 12:41:17 you prefer vbb? Jan 12 12:41:27 dolf1074: please let's do as I told Jan 12 12:41:27 yes, victory is mine :D Jan 12 12:41:31 Let's talk about it on the ML Jan 12 12:41:34 and however, leave dolf1074 manages the forum ... Jan 12 12:41:37 Then let sum up the opinions Jan 12 12:41:47 And after that, we'll see what we'll do Jan 12 12:41:54 In any case, I don't want an "unofficial official forum" Jan 12 12:41:59 But there is a difference between a normal forum and that forum Jan 12 12:42:00 If it exists somewhere it'll be on shr-project.org Jan 12 12:42:08 dolf1074: I got that Jan 12 12:42:12 and therefor I want all people trying it out Jan 12 12:42:22 because else they can't make an opinion Jan 12 12:42:26 I asked the bearstech guy to look into it to see if they would agree to host it Jan 12 12:42:40 okay ;) Jan 12 12:45:38 what forum are you all talking about? don't see any URL Jan 12 12:45:55 http://hosted.planetblur.org/shr_openmoko/index.php?shard=forum&action=g_default Jan 12 12:45:56 dolf1074: In any case, once again Jan 12 12:46:02 Please just talk about it on the ML first Jan 12 12:46:17 I don't want to be a dictator and to impose my ideas, please do the same :-) Jan 12 12:46:19 I asked the ML Jan 12 12:46:53 I know Jan 12 12:47:04 But be insistent, make the discussion live Jan 12 12:47:15 (I'll answer it too) Jan 12 12:47:36 I'm busy with answering all day, I don't know what I can do more Jan 12 12:48:08 Welcome in my world Jan 12 12:51:04 hi Jan 12 12:51:08 i have a question Jan 12 12:52:07 is it possible to capture voice signal Jan 12 12:52:10 manipulate it Jan 12 12:52:19 and then send it via gsm? Jan 12 12:52:23 kamson: yes Jan 12 12:52:38 voice-changer alert :) Jan 12 12:53:06 what do You mean? Jan 12 12:53:42 so is it possible or not? Jan 12 12:54:06 kamson: yes Jan 12 12:54:29 so moko is realy fully open:D Jan 12 12:55:24 so i can change my voice with no problem? Jan 12 12:55:54 for example, I have diffrent project on my mind Jan 12 12:57:06 grrrr, can't reach bearstech.com again :( Jan 12 12:59:15 Zorkman: use shr-project.org instead? Jan 12 12:59:52 mirko-paroli: ok back Jan 12 12:59:58 quickdev: yo Jan 12 13:00:10 raster: ah great Jan 12 13:00:20 raster, is there a way to switch to fullscreen? Jan 12 13:00:51 raster: you remember my question about the list view? Jan 12 13:01:06 raster: you said the code was there but I couldn't use it Jan 12 13:01:23 shoragan: that's really bad :( Jan 12 13:01:49 quickdev: // * add fullscreen mode on/off for windows Jan 12 13:01:51 :) Jan 12 13:02:01 raster, how to trigger it then? Jan 12 13:02:05 (from todo list for elementary - in Elementary.h) Jan 12 13:02:06 :) Jan 12 13:02:07 ah, it's a todo :) Jan 12 13:02:22 mirko-paroli: correct Jan 12 13:02:24 raster, isn't that a thing which should be done in the window manager? Jan 12 13:02:28 not in theme or just config Jan 12 13:02:43 code that sets up the fm2 view in e_mod_win.c esplicitly sets up an icon view Jan 12 13:02:52 quickdev: it is ) Jan 12 13:02:58 quickdev: fullscreen sends a message to the wm Jan 12 13:03:02 "please fullscreen me" Jan 12 13:03:03 :) Jan 12 13:03:26 raster, is there a way to make a window fullscreen which a keybinding? Jan 12 13:03:35 i'm getting NoReply-errors from dbus / the framework :( http://pb.nanl.de/?show=319 - any idea? :( Jan 12 13:03:36 yes Jan 12 13:04:20 Wonka: can ialso use it for opkg update? Jan 12 13:04:25 set up a binding Jan 12 13:04:37 there in actins under window : State Jan 12 13:04:41 fullscreen mode toggle Jan 12 13:04:42 :) Jan 12 13:05:05 raster, thanks....that's one of the functions that make the keyboard more usable Jan 12 13:05:16 Zorkman: yes. build.shr-project.org is the hostname, replaces buildhost.bearstech.com (or what it was) Jan 12 13:05:47 thanks Jan 12 13:06:11 aha, except that i also can't reach that one :( Jan 12 13:06:50 weir provider issues i guess... happend once again before, i wrote e-mails, they didn't respond, after a week or two it was fixed... now gone again Jan 12 13:07:06 quickdev: fullscreen makes it more usable? Jan 12 13:07:07 lindi- Jan 12 13:07:20 because your app gets more pixels to draw in? Jan 12 13:07:48 raster, yes...my app gets more pixel...and then I could increase the size of the keyboard Jan 12 13:08:07 aaah ok Jan 12 13:09:56 raster: not in theme or just config means how do I get that ? Jan 12 13:10:58 raster, in fullscreen, new window do not appear in the foreground - is that intended? Jan 12 13:11:04 or configurable? :) Jan 12 13:12:00 Ainulindale: To pester you back a bit. Your OE changes will get merged in OE.dev after the nearby SHR release? Jan 12 13:12:38 mirko-paroli: you have to modify code. Jan 12 13:12:48 quickdev: yes Jan 12 13:12:56 raster: i was afraid u were going to say that Jan 12 13:12:59 stefan_schmidt: That's the plan Jan 12 13:13:04 quickdev: a fullscreen app is likewly fullscreen because it doesnt want to be interrupted Jan 12 13:13:07 eg wathcing a movie Jan 12 13:13:09 playing a game Jan 12 13:13:10 etc. Jan 12 13:13:11 :) Jan 12 13:13:16 raster: having a bud? Jan 12 13:13:21 hahahah Jan 12 13:13:21 raster, but on mobile devices it's a bit different, isn't it? Jan 12 13:14:24 Ainulindale: (bud) not yet ;) Jan 12 13:14:54 Ainulindale: (merge) good. Lookig forward to being able install SHR apps one by one form a feed in my normal build Jan 12 13:15:26 stefan_schmidt: See? Told you you were lazy Jan 12 13:16:09 Ainulindale: As are you not doing the merge now :D Jan 12 13:16:34 Anyway, make your release ready first Jan 12 13:16:48 Well it would be dumb to commit instable things Jan 12 13:16:55 My problem is with OE patches Jan 12 13:18:00 nah, you are just lazy ;) Jan 12 13:18:07 That too Jan 12 13:18:17 And a bit preoccupied about my car Jan 12 13:18:48 :/ Jan 12 13:19:10 I just brought all the papers to the administration Jan 12 13:19:10 I had to go and see the police Jan 12 13:19:15 raster, can't a mobile device justify bringing new windows into the foreground? Jan 12 13:19:47 quickdev: in what context Jan 12 13:20:04 notice the palm pre making special issue of NOT getting interrupted? Jan 12 13:20:05 :) Jan 12 13:21:29 raster, we once discussed if the window should handle states or if it should open window if there are new contexts. We finally agreed using the second one. Imagine you have a sms application...the overview of all sms...and you click EDIT in fullscreen -> a new window appears, which is in background Jan 12 13:22:07 true Jan 12 13:22:17 but in this case u'd want to set the group leader to the same window Jan 12 13:22:22 or set transient for the fullscrene Jan 12 13:22:31 then e knows the new window is FOR that fullscreen Jan 12 13:22:34 stefan_schmidt: talking about OE changes... you had some fso-gpsd problem two days ago Jan 12 13:22:34 and can allow it Jan 12 13:22:53 raster, how to set the group leader ? :) Jan 12 13:22:54 I saw we have a patch doing RREPLACES_${PN} = "gpsd" Jan 12 13:23:14 mrmoku: Thy are "fixed" here Jan 12 13:23:16 technically elm_win takes the leader (The window that window is for) as the first arg Jan 12 13:23:17 :) Jan 12 13:23:28 raster, and that already works? :) Jan 12 13:23:31 but i havent implemented anything with it yet Jan 12 13:23:34 :) Jan 12 13:23:35 mrmoku: No real fix but a workaround until we get virtual/gpsd running Jan 12 13:23:36 no Jan 12 13:23:37 :) Jan 12 13:24:08 raster, could I bump that up from place 100 to place 20 on your todo list? :) Jan 12 13:24:15 hahahaha Jan 12 13:24:19 one thing at a time Jan 12 13:24:22 you have a list now! Jan 12 13:24:23 :) Jan 12 13:24:23 stefan_schmidt: ok... we're building with RREPLACES and RCONFLICTS enabled Jan 12 13:24:26 seems to work too Jan 12 13:25:21 mrmoku: yeah, but it would suck fso-gpsd in images where you like to have gpsd. That is no problem for your shr builds but for general OE builds it is. Jan 12 13:25:33 We had this before Jan 12 13:25:46 stefan_schmidt: ahh, ok Jan 12 13:27:00 raster, I once thought about different user interface layouts in vertical and horizontal mode. Is it possible? For example to make a horizontal or vertical box for labels and textboxes - to better use the available space :) Jan 12 13:27:35 to be honest i would want to work on entire "ui profiles" Jan 12 13:27:53 yeah, ok Jan 12 13:27:54 ie you would define a new ui layout if size > XxY Jan 12 13:27:57 or < XxY Jan 12 13:28:14 sounds fine - I order that, too :) Jan 12 13:28:15 so the develoepr goes "well if ona tiny screen i can live without this and this widget - and i can make this horizontal" Jan 12 13:28:21 dolf1074: the assertion bug isn't fixed. Jan 12 13:28:25 but thats a while down the track Jan 12 13:28:34 originalyl i was thinking of widget priorities Jan 12 13:28:38 u can set a priority Jan 12 13:28:44 if the window si smaller than the contents Jan 12 13:28:55 elm will hide/unpak the lowest priority widgets and try again Jan 12 13:28:58 and repeat until it fits Jan 12 13:29:03 but that wont work too well Jan 12 13:29:09 i dont think i can mke it that simple Jan 12 13:29:13 so having several profiles Jan 12 13:29:16 for "wide screen" Jan 12 13:29:18 "tall screen" Jan 12 13:29:21 "small" Jan 12 13:29:23 "large" Jan 12 13:29:24 etc. Jan 12 13:29:30 will be probably the best Jan 12 13:29:50 quickdev: same here 14:28:21 < Ainulindale> dolf1074: the assertion bug isn't fixed. Jan 12 13:30:05 Filename: libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0_0.0.1+gitr553+2e4ba68532091cbadbb032ed7103adbb631b15bc-r26_armv4t.ipk Jan 12 13:32:00 dolf1074: answered the thread Jan 12 13:35:05 shoragan: what is the max size for booting via u-boot (unmodified env)? 2MB, right? Jan 12 13:35:23 compiling with the packaging config gives me 1994376 bytes... would that fit? Jan 12 13:37:46 Ainulindale, I thought dolf fixed it? Jan 12 13:38:37 Well apparenty not Jan 12 13:38:45 I still experience this bug Jan 12 13:39:01 dolf1074, have you fixed it or not? (removed the assert() line) Jan 12 13:39:23 Aouch dolf1074 Jan 12 13:39:25 your fix is ugly Jan 12 13:39:30 Ugly, ugly, ugly Jan 12 13:39:38 It looks like quickdev's code! Jan 12 13:39:40 today problem is :) : ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR could not open channel MISC, retrying in 2 seconds Jan 12 13:40:32 Ah another problem of this forum dolf1074 Jan 12 13:40:35 It's ajax... Jan 12 13:41:45 someone have idea what can by wrong ? Jan 12 13:42:45 * mrmoku shrugs Jan 12 13:50:25 quickdev: You don't have to remove the assert file Jan 12 13:50:33 s/file/line Jan 12 13:50:56 dolf1074: the patch isn't working Jan 12 13:51:03 And it's a workaround, not a fix =) Jan 12 13:51:09 quickdev: you can look at the diff of 3 days ago: fix for not working 'SMS full message' dialog Jan 12 13:51:32 Removing the assert is a workaround ;) Jan 12 13:51:43 The patch is a workaround too Jan 12 13:52:01 And the assert has to be removed Jan 12 13:52:01 because then you don't know if the type isn't set or is set to 0 Jan 12 13:52:02 It's wrong Jan 12 13:52:22 Well, using fixed values and using < is enough :-) Jan 12 13:52:30 And that's the proper way to do it young man ! Jan 12 13:52:39 quickdev: I definitely need to spank you Jan 12 13:53:16 But anyway Jan 12 13:53:22 This integer should be set by default Jan 12 13:53:29 By a "constructor" Jan 12 13:53:32 And changed when necessary Jan 12 13:53:36 That's how I roll o/ Jan 12 13:54:10 That's also okay Jan 12 13:54:26 That's better than a quick & dirty hack :-) Jan 12 13:54:33 It fixes all the possible occurences :-) Jan 12 13:54:51 (Am I severe? I like to be severe :-p) Jan 12 13:55:27 Mine did also fix all the possible occurences :p Jan 12 13:55:34 mrmoku: interesting but utopist idea Jan 12 13:55:47 dolf1074: for that problem, not for all the variables under the data struct :-) Jan 12 13:55:48 would be perfect for everybody :-) Jan 12 13:56:06 mrmoku: I'd like a forum with naked women picture posted to the ML and printed in real size Jan 12 13:56:09 Is that possible? Jan 12 13:56:19 Ainulindale: btw what's wrong with ajax in a forum? Jan 12 13:56:19 s/picture/pictureS/ by the way Jan 12 13:56:27 everything is possible in IT... young man ;) Jan 12 13:56:30 dolf1074: You can't be sure user can use javascript Jan 12 13:56:40 dolf1074, the right solution is to use g_hash_lookup_extended...did that locally ;) Jan 12 13:56:43 Security policies, browser restrictions, remote device Jan 12 13:56:54 Did you ever use it without javascript? Jan 12 13:57:09 Do you mean, did I ever browse without js? Jan 12 13:57:24 If that's the question Jan 12 13:57:34 you will notice, it works even if javascript is disabled Jan 12 13:57:36 ;) Jan 12 13:57:48 Ainulindale is from those days, where javascript was a foreign word..hehe Jan 12 13:57:51 And it's no different from any other forum without js then dolf1074 Jan 12 13:57:55 So no advantage over the ML, agtain Jan 12 13:57:56 -t Jan 12 13:58:06 quickdev: by the way Jan 12 13:58:23 you live in the dark ages Jan 12 13:58:23 libframeworkd-phonegui-efl is not gopher compatible Jan 12 13:58:23 get to work now Jan 12 13:58:23 a browser without javascript Jan 12 13:58:23 µ:s Jan 12 13:58:23 :s Jan 12 13:58:23 dolf1074: well Jan 12 13:58:26 I use irssi Jan 12 13:58:33 I use terminal for every file management thing I have to do Jan 12 13:58:38 I use terminal to edit files Jan 12 13:58:43 I have no wallpaper Jan 12 13:58:59 I almost used mutt, and used pine for a long time Jan 12 13:59:00 Yeah and because of that ajax is bad :s Jan 12 13:59:06 And I like slrn Jan 12 13:59:17 dolf1074: You can't force users to use what they don't like :-) Jan 12 13:59:31 And for that matter, I personally don't care about ajax Jan 12 13:59:31 I just know that some people do Jan 12 13:59:48 And some browsers support ajax differently Jan 12 13:59:51 Some even don't support it Jan 12 13:59:53 they can disable ajax and it still works, so there is no problem with that Jan 12 14:00:05 Damn you're stubborn :-) Jan 12 14:00:10 yes :) Jan 12 14:00:30 Read my mail dumbass and stop whining :-) Jan 12 14:00:35 you're whining ;) Jan 12 14:00:40 I just defend mysefl :p Jan 12 14:00:48 s/mysefl/myself Jan 12 14:00:57 That's not the case actually Jan 12 14:01:03 You have an opinion, which I respect Jan 12 14:01:06 I have another one Jan 12 14:01:20 The difference is, you're eluding my arguments :-) Jan 12 14:01:34 you think Jan 12 14:01:46 I didn't mean that in a bad sense Jan 12 14:01:54 I see and know you're motivated by that Jan 12 14:02:00 And I understand your purpose Jan 12 14:02:12 My point is, it wouldn't be good to force the usage of a forum on the community Jan 12 14:02:18 Let us see how it goes first Jan 12 14:02:34 I don't intend to say "no", I hope you're aware of that Jan 12 14:02:37 That's not my place Jan 12 14:02:55 I'm merely saying "let us wait and see what the others think" Jan 12 14:03:12 And that I'm also doing Jan 12 14:03:20 but still actively promoting the forum Jan 12 14:03:33 That's called proselytism my young friend :-p Jan 12 14:03:41 (And I bet you're older than me but it doesn't matter) Jan 12 14:03:52 don't spill words I don't understand :p Jan 12 14:04:02 how old are you? Jan 12 14:04:06 25 Jan 12 14:04:12 Plus some years due to my car accident Jan 12 14:04:18 I'm younger, 19 Jan 12 14:04:30 dolf1074, 19, too :) Jan 12 14:04:34 Ah, so that's why you seem as a young puppy :-p Jan 12 14:04:47 (Joking, here) Jan 12 14:04:56 dolf1074: http://www.docguide.com/dgc.nsf/html/english-dictionnary.htm Jan 12 14:05:01 (this site is awful) Jan 12 14:05:09 luckily :p Jan 12 14:05:37 dolf1074: as told on the ML Jan 12 14:06:11 I think the problem is to "educate" the users Jan 12 14:06:11 And the developers too unfortunately Jan 12 14:06:11 How many times did I tell mrmoku or quickdev to post their ideas on the ML Jan 12 14:06:12 And how many times did they listen to me? :-) Jan 12 14:06:20 And people say I'm lazy :-p Jan 12 14:06:37 hey, could deiter add AT+ICCID Jan 12 14:06:47 dolf1074: I'd like to keep ML for stuff like devel discussions, I'm not hostile to a user/community forum Jan 12 14:06:48 and maybe with a forum they would post it Jan 12 14:06:50 But that's pretty different Jan 12 14:06:56 dolf1074: I'm not sure about that Jan 12 14:07:08 Me neither, but it's worth a shot :p Jan 12 14:07:12 dolf1074: you're trying to show the forum as a 42-type of answer Jan 12 14:07:26 Whereas it isn't, IMHO Jan 12 14:07:30 It's an alternative Jan 12 14:07:34 It has its pros and cons Jan 12 14:07:43 Mostly, to me, it's the same Jan 12 14:07:47 And I find the ML more convenient Jan 12 14:07:48 dolf1074: me definitely not... I strongly prefer email Jan 12 14:07:55 I'm sure people disagree with me Jan 12 14:08:02 But some agree Jan 12 14:08:16 So it'll be more posts/mails from this people, less from that one Jan 12 14:08:36 But anyway, as told in my mail Jan 12 14:08:49 I think the forum would be a better solution for the community itself, not for the developers Jan 12 14:08:50 mrmoku: I don't prefer email, but you already noticed that :) Jan 12 14:08:58 :-) yep Jan 12 14:09:19 isn't there some forum that does what I proposed? merge ML and forum? Jan 12 14:09:43 (with naked pictures) Jan 12 14:09:45 I have used that particularly forum as a developer forum and it went very very wel. So therefor I want it. Not as a community forum itself Jan 12 14:09:54 but in the first place as a developer communication place Jan 12 14:10:03 * mrmoku has to talk with Ainulindale future wife... :p Jan 12 14:10:05 dolf1074: well then I think we'll disagree strongly Jan 12 14:10:14 We'll poll the developers Jan 12 14:10:32 mrmoku: and what do you see as a merge between ML and forum? Jan 12 14:10:45 dolf1074: you should read your mails :-p Jan 12 14:10:51 that would prevent mrmoku from repeating himself :-) Jan 12 14:10:54 well, transparently use one or the other... whatever you prefer Jan 12 14:10:56 i'm busy Jan 12 14:10:57 okay Jan 12 14:11:34 Ainulindale: have still some time before the dentist? if so... spank yourself ;) Jan 12 14:11:44 OOoooh yeah Jan 12 14:12:01 ophonekitd is crashing too Jan 12 14:12:06 raster, still here? :) Jan 12 14:12:19 Unknown internal dbus error: Method "GetPowerStatus" with signature "" on interface "org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply" do Jan 12 14:12:26 esn't exist Jan 12 14:12:36 mrmoku: wrong object path Jan 12 14:12:39 again =) Jan 12 14:12:46 well anyway I'm going Jan 12 14:12:47 see you Jan 12 14:12:59 ok, will fix it Jan 12 14:26:51 Please, can anyone help me getting fast screen updates using Gtk on the freerunner? I want to blit pixeldata that can be in either rgb24/32 or 565. Jan 12 14:52:02 Hi. Have the other distributions already updated to dbus 1.2.6 (with the tighter default system.conf)? Jan 12 14:52:53 anyone ever tried to build a new gadget for enlightenment ? Jan 12 15:01:25 lindi-, ping Jan 12 15:01:31 lindi-, and hi Jan 12 15:07:54 Gnutoo: pong Jan 12 15:08:25 freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r97ec4a1770fc 10/src/odeviced/frameworkd-glib-odeviced-dbus.h: Jan 12 15:08:25 freesmartphone.org: adjust BUS_PATH for battery Jan 12 15:08:25 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann Jan 12 15:09:10 lindi-, I've a friend that has the glofiish...I've compilated the kenrel and he has compilated HaRET but he's at home and don't have a micro-sd card adaptator...could that be solved with debian and an install like LTSP, or using a loop? Jan 12 15:09:34 Gnutoo: ? Jan 12 15:09:49 lindi-, what don't you understand ? glofiish? Jan 12 15:11:08 lindi-, as you knew well debian and the openmoko I wondered if you knew how to boot via a loop or via network(mounting a NFS partition) Jan 12 15:11:08 Gnutoo: gloofiish indeed Jan 12 15:11:27 Gnutoo: init initramfs it's simple Jan 12 15:11:35 Gnutoo: but i don't know what glofiish is Jan 12 15:11:59 lindi-, the glofiish is a phone, like the openmoko, the same SOC...harald welte reverse-engeenerd it and produced a kernel for it Jan 12 15:12:15 lindi-, ok does debian have an intramfs? Jan 12 15:13:01 quickdev: do I have to re-build ophonekitd on lfg updates? Jan 12 15:13:12 lindi-, as it is the same SOC it can run the same distro than the openmoko...but you need a special kernel for it Jan 12 15:13:25 Gnutoo: aha Jan 12 15:13:36 Gnutoo: at the moment no but you can add one Jan 12 15:14:19 lindi-, can I create it from an openmoko distro? Jan 12 15:14:46 Gnutoo: stick to debian Jan 12 15:14:46 lindi-, because I don't know how to cross-compile debian Jan 12 15:14:52 lindi-, ok Jan 12 15:16:08 lindi-, all I need is: *)access to the sd for installing the *)access to the network for copying the tarball from somewhere to the device Jan 12 15:17:09 lindi-, or are there very minimal images for debian-armel? Jan 12 15:19:59 Gnutoo: images? Jan 12 15:20:08 Gnutoo: no need to cross-compile anything really Jan 12 15:20:18 Gnutoo: just add initramfs that mounts nfs Jan 12 15:20:48 ok i'll do that but what do I use(as debian tar,cd etc...) to create the intramfs? Jan 12 15:21:27 Gnutoo: mkinitramfs Jan 12 15:21:42 Gnutoo: the kernel is not yet make-kpkg'able Jan 12 15:21:50 lindi-, ah ok I understand...I boot debian and type that command... Jan 12 15:23:38 lindi-, I'll look what's mkinitramfs thanks a lot Jan 12 15:40:55 hyyy I recivev oevent " Receive PowerStatus, status = full" icon on topbar is not change Jan 12 15:41:02 didn't Jan 12 15:59:10 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r4a8735490abf 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Jan 12 15:59:10 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fixed getting of alphabet property. Jan 12 15:59:10 freesmartphone.org: The previous commit broke all SMS functionality, this fixes the issue. A Jan 12 15:59:10 freesmartphone.org: test case is now included that will recognize this failure. Jan 12 16:00:33 alphaone: just in time - was about to build a new image :-) Jan 12 16:00:46 mrmoku: phew :-) Jan 12 16:11:21 mrmoku, lfg = libframeworkd-glib ? you only have to recompile it if the interface / api changes somehow ;) Jan 12 16:11:58 n:) Jan 12 16:12:39 quickdev: yep, that was the case... is ophonekitd statically linked to it or dynamically? Jan 12 16:12:50 mrmoku, of course dynamically :) Jan 12 16:13:06 so no need to recompile ophonekitd when lfg changes? Jan 12 16:13:38 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc2873b99d403 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: Jan 12 16:13:38 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [SMS] Add an error property. Jan 12 16:13:38 freesmartphone.org: The goal is that SMS parsing will not result in any Exceptions, but Jan 12 16:13:38 freesmartphone.org: instead the error property will indicate if parsing a short message Jan 12 16:13:40 freesmartphone.org: failed for some reason. Jan 12 16:13:42 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r29306c804c8b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): Jan 12 16:13:45 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [SMS] Don't fail when service center timestamps are invalid Jan 12 16:13:47 freesmartphone.org: If parsing the scts field fails the date is substituted for a dummy Jan 12 16:13:49 freesmartphone.org: value and the error property is marked accordingly. Jan 12 16:15:00 mrmoku, if the interface / api changes...you need to recompile it - for example if you renamed a function or something like that Jan 12 16:15:22 quickdev: ok, thanks (that was not the case) Jan 12 16:15:32 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r3c27e5411081 10/tests/sms.py: tests: Add a test case for invalid Service Center timestamp parsing Jan 12 16:20:36 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * re650884184bb 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Jan 12 16:20:36 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Safeguard if modem replies to +CGM{L,R} with unsolicited messages Jan 12 16:20:36 freesmartphone.org: This will prevent Tracebacks like in Jan 12 16:20:36 freesmartphone.org: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/314, but the underlying actual Jan 12 16:20:40 freesmartphone.org: problem should still be fixed. Jan 12 16:22:44 mrmoku: what prevents you from baking a new image Jan 12 16:25:01 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r2c47aa00f530 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Make RegisterWithProvider charset aware Jan 12 16:31:03 bumbl: errors ;) Jan 12 16:31:13 bumbl: I'm real close now though Jan 12 16:31:16 nice Jan 12 16:31:31 :p Jan 12 16:49:31 hi Jan 12 16:53:17 is there any paroli dev here? Jan 12 16:54:06 spank mirko-paroli Jan 12 16:54:13 or visit paroli-project.org Jan 12 17:06:17 mrmoku: what about bb file for new shr-settings? now we have developing moved to shr git in 100% Jan 12 17:07:38 dos1: do it properly and bug Ainulindale and not mrmoku :p Jan 12 17:08:08 bumbl_: mrmoku said some time ago, that he wrote this file ;) Jan 12 17:08:37 ah ok Jan 12 17:08:37 (20:37:25) mrmoku: dos1: by the way... I did a .bb for the settings app... don't think it's perfect yet though Jan 12 17:08:54 (20:37:55) mrmoku: dos1: not yet comitted ;) Jan 12 17:08:59 ;) Jan 12 17:09:28 just thought as i bugged Ainulindale all the time when writing the omoney bb you can do that too :p Jan 12 17:10:39 ;) Jan 12 17:10:51 i really got on his nerves Jan 12 17:10:53 ;) Jan 12 17:11:21 but it was worth the effort ... now i know what the bb does Jan 12 17:11:53 ok, now i will fix shr-settings to work with 2.6.28 (and be more flexible in future), and then bug someone about bb file ;) Jan 12 17:39:30 bluetooth now works :) Jan 12 17:39:41 dos1: already in shr-overlay :-) Jan 12 17:39:49 mrmoku: thanks :) Jan 12 17:40:18 there is still usb module non working, but it looks like frameworkd bug Jan 12 17:40:52 non working synchronizing time with gps looks like frameworkd bug too :D Jan 12 17:41:23 dos1: what version does not sync time? Jan 12 17:41:41 mrmoku: gitr1033 Jan 12 17:42:20 mrmoku: there is bug in rtc interface - SetCurrentTime doesn't work Jan 12 17:45:12 dos1: is that a new bug? because time always synced nicely for me with frameworkd-devel Jan 12 17:45:35 mrmoku: maybe automatic syncing works Jan 12 17:45:49 mrmoku, ainulindale: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1ZZreXEqSY Jan 12 17:45:57 i don't know - i'm using it since this night ;) Jan 12 17:46:58 but in shr-settings i'm using SetCurrentTime in rtc interface, and it's buggy Jan 12 17:47:41 it displays backtrace and says that global object 'pyrtc' is not defined ;) Jan 12 17:47:43 maybe some python module missing? Jan 12 17:47:53 python-pyrtc is installed Jan 12 17:48:24 but in that fso file is not "import pyrtc" at all ;) Jan 12 17:48:42 even when i added it, it says that there is float needed Jan 12 17:48:53 dbus wants string Jan 12 17:49:10 and time is in Int ;D Jan 12 17:49:13 it's strange Jan 12 17:49:50 Hire: hahaha Jan 12 17:50:16 that is my dream Jan 12 17:50:26 but mrmoku doesn't apprecciate it ;\ Jan 12 17:50:29 * mrmoku is bavarian and not interested in Heineken ;) Jan 12 17:50:38 uhhh Jan 12 17:50:41 we have a lord Jan 12 17:50:46 the lord mrmoku Jan 12 17:50:49 ( :x ) Jan 12 17:50:57 and my son is king ludwig ;) Jan 12 17:52:34 mrmoku: imagine Augustiner instead of Heineken Jan 12 17:53:00 * mrmoku is closing his eyes and starts imagination.... Jan 12 17:53:04 JJJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa Jan 12 17:53:45 hehe yes Jan 12 17:53:56 * bumbl has to go to munich soon Jan 12 17:54:28 you should wait until it's warm enough for Biergarten... to completely enjoy :-) Jan 12 17:55:14 yep Jan 12 17:55:56 * bumbl will go with some friends when it's warmer Jan 12 17:56:21 * mrmoku thinks bumbl is wise :-) Jan 12 17:56:23 having some nice beer and some nice weißwürscht Jan 12 17:56:49 but i won't follow the tradition and eat the weißwurst after 11h Jan 12 17:56:59 * mrmoku shrugs Jan 12 18:00:35 ahh ... Biergarten Jan 12 18:01:07 who needs weißwurst when there's beer Jan 12 18:03:42 me ;) Jan 12 18:03:55 sicu: one has to eat something sometimes Jan 12 18:04:12 hi fgau Jan 12 18:05:05 moin bumbl Jan 12 18:07:49 * mrmoku loves the Weisswurst/Weissbier combo :p Jan 12 18:09:52 ptitjes|work: papermail sent Jan 12 18:11:15 DocScrutinizer2: is there any place on the wiki or "the web" where it is documented how to do the bass-capacitator fix? Jan 12 18:11:49 not yet, zorkman Jan 12 18:12:29 Zorkman: as it isn't evaluated how to do it Jan 12 18:12:50 basically it's simple though Jan 12 18:13:48 ok, i guess it will be online in due time Jan 12 18:14:08 btw: glad to see you're well again Jan 12 18:14:49 well, not exactly well, but fit enough to start real work this minute Jan 12 18:35:52 bumbl: nah, no need for food when there's liquid dinner ;p Jan 12 18:38:08 hehe Jan 12 18:42:03 DocScrutinizer2: Thank you! Jan 12 18:43:19 hope you'll be able to put it to use Jan 12 18:51:40 sure :) Jan 12 19:15:06 ptitjes: if you have several and you manage to fix your GTA02, mine is there too =) Jan 12 19:15:15 ptitjes: and you didn't fix the locking problem on ophonekitd, did you? Jan 12 19:15:31 had no time sorry Jan 12 19:15:52 just comming from work and going again at 4AM Jan 12 19:16:13 :( Jan 12 19:16:25 so no will to program tonight Jan 12 19:16:43 really sorry Jan 12 19:16:45 That's not an exfcuse ! Jan 12 19:16:53 s/exf/ex/ Jan 12 19:16:53 Ainulindale meant: That's not an excuse ! Jan 12 19:17:04 grrrr Jan 12 19:17:10 :-) Jan 12 19:17:26 I'm not working in a lazy computer science corporation ;) Jan 12 19:20:44 Neither do I Jan 12 19:20:50 I'm lazy in a IT copany Jan 12 19:20:51 +m Jan 12 19:21:05 haha Jan 12 19:21:31 Can someone explain me what is the difference between vala-native.bb and vala.bb ? Jan 12 19:22:17 is this one recipe for running valac on host and one to run it on target ? Jan 12 19:23:45 Ainulindale: do you have an idea of it ? Jan 12 19:24:02 I'm trying to figure how I will package XSB... Jan 12 19:28:21 Ainulindale: getting closer with every build... Jan 12 19:29:29 one problem I have is locales... the image has all locales in it. and not just en like specified by IMAGE_LINGUAS Jan 12 19:31:33 ehi Jan 12 19:32:26 i cooked and ate a gatou Jan 12 19:32:28 *gateau Jan 12 19:32:33 now I am french! Jan 12 19:32:46 come here and accept me, ainulindale! Jan 12 19:35:48 you ate a cat??! Jan 12 19:42:01 no, for now no :D Jan 12 19:43:47 argh. tried to report a bug and got "ImportError: No module named pyPgSQL" Jan 12 20:21:51 quickdev: ping Jan 12 20:21:57 mrmoku, pong Jan 12 20:22:47 quickdev: new message is segfaulting... and I don't understand why Jan 12 20:23:15 mrmoku, I don't either - tried gdb? :) Jan 12 20:23:34 quickdev: never did that (on freerunner)... Jan 12 20:24:20 it working as if you are debugging something on your host....install gdb and the $package-dev packages and it should work Jan 12 20:25:37 quickdev: ok... will try Jan 12 20:25:42 heyho Jan 12 20:26:37 hi morphis, you had a question about glofiish earlier. Did we sort this out? Can't clearly remember. Jan 12 20:26:42 anybody knows if there is a Jan 12 20:26:53 bitbake prefetch command? Jan 12 20:27:15 bitbake -c fetch $IMAGE Jan 12 20:27:22 stefan_sc: you are right, my m800 will arrive tommorrow :) Jan 12 20:27:33 or try a bitbake -c fetch world if you don't care about storage :) Jan 12 20:27:41 morphis: cool :) Jan 12 20:27:49 stefan_sc: jepp Jan 12 20:28:08 morphis: What's your level of expertise? kernel or more userland? Jan 12 20:28:23 stefan_sc: more userland actually Jan 12 20:28:36 stefan_sc: but I am very interesting in kernel stuff Jan 12 20:29:16 great Jan 12 20:29:30 You know the current status or like a short description? Jan 12 20:29:57 I read much about it in haralds blog and his presentation on 25c3 and foss Jan 12 20:30:11 ok, cool, should be all then Jan 12 20:30:17 great :) Jan 12 20:30:29 From the userland site I added a m800 machine in OE and built images for it Jan 12 20:30:37 whats the actuall status of the modem driver? does it work? Jan 12 20:30:53 Also some initial framework config Jan 12 20:30:58 ogpsd it working Jan 12 20:31:14 stefan_sc: great Jan 12 20:31:45 At least in NMEA mode. We will still need sirf binary support for all the AGPS goodnes Jan 12 20:32:18 (Modem) No, sadly not yet. The driver is done from all what Harald reverse engineered and should work, but does not. Jan 12 20:32:23 does the sirf chip support storing the agps information on the chip? Jan 12 20:32:37 I hope he has some time to look into it when he is back from Korea and taiwan Jan 12 20:32:40 stefan_sc: hm Jan 12 20:33:15 morphis: I haven't looked up this. But we think that it has some storage to handle this on it's own yes. Jan 12 20:33:48 http://wiki.openezx.org/Glofiish_X800 Jan 12 20:34:02 great, you have any point where I can start best with? Jan 12 20:34:07 That's what we currently know about the hardware. Just edit if you find more infos Jan 12 20:34:40 I will do Jan 12 20:34:47 If you are done with the wiki kernel sources are here: http://git.gnufiish.org/?p=gnufiish.git;a=summary Jan 12 20:35:19 oh, Harald did some merge with the OM tree at least. good Jan 12 20:35:22 I already have them on my disk Jan 12 20:35:53 Any special thing you like to work on? Jan 12 20:36:09 I guess modem driver is pretty hard. Jan 12 20:36:16 I think too Jan 12 20:36:39 Something I was working on but got always postboned is the wifi driver glue Jan 12 20:36:50 We can use the libertas driver already mainline Jan 12 20:36:51 it works? Jan 12 20:37:21 It's connected via GSPI which needs some interface to the driver. Thsi code is also already written and some patches were on libertas-devel Jan 12 20:37:29 cool Jan 12 20:37:43 What would needed is some glue in the machine setup to get it configured correctly Jan 12 20:37:53 And of course there still can be bugs arounbd Jan 12 20:38:12 sure, so I think I will test everything a little bit at first Jan 12 20:38:19 If this would interest you I could push my non-working stuff into a branch for you to work on Jan 12 20:38:30 very Jan 12 20:38:35 morphis: ok, let me know if you need some infos Jan 12 20:38:47 ok, will push it tomorrow Jan 12 20:39:14 fine Jan 12 20:40:16 whats about the framebuffer stuff? I read it boots any gta01 image, event starting the x-server? Jan 12 20:41:19 there are some more people or only you, harald and me at the moment? Jan 12 20:43:47 It's plain framebuffer. I already booted into illume and zhone :) Jan 12 20:44:18 At the moment mostly we two. There is at least one other guy in indea that is interested and should have an M800 Jan 12 20:44:36 Not sure if more people contacted Harald. Will ask him the next days. Jan 12 20:45:00 ok, maybe a lot of other people will have a m800 in the next few month if we have success :) Jan 12 20:45:45 Well, it is really impressive what Harald gone done in something like three weeks full time work Jan 12 20:46:05 Once the modem thing is going it could get really interesting Jan 12 20:46:38 I think so Jan 12 20:47:33 I only see the pictures on his talk at the 25c3 and the results in the wiki+kernel tree and guess: wooowww Jan 12 20:54:57 quickdev: elm_scroller_content_set(data->sc, data->entry); is segfaulting... any idea why that could be? Jan 12 20:57:28 mrmoku, no idea.. Jan 12 20:57:43 * mrmoku thinks that EFL_SRCREV is not good :( Jan 12 20:58:34 mrmoku, try the elementary test application Jan 12 21:00:15 quickdev: has not scroller though, does it? Jan 12 21:00:39 uuhhh, you can scroll down the tests ;) Jan 12 21:00:40 mrmoku, scrolled entry Jan 12 21:00:43 did not notice before Jan 12 21:01:14 hmm works just nice... Jan 12 21:01:57 raster: any idea why something like that could happen http://pastebin.com/m599d3969 Jan 12 21:10:35 quickdev: think I found it... mixed EFL_SRCREVs... :( Jan 12 21:11:10 hi, is networking over usb supposed to work? (midori starts, but doesn't load webpages for me) Jan 12 21:11:43 reinouts: you only connected the fr over usb without further work? Jan 12 21:12:13 morphis: I can ssh to the fr from my pc Jan 12 21:12:27 is more config needed? Jan 12 21:12:30 reinouts: has your pc been configure for routing? Jan 12 21:12:52 mw|: I think so, I followed the instructions about that on the wiki Jan 12 21:12:55 you need to route the dns packages from your fr over your pc to your router Jan 12 21:13:14 or edit /etc/respolv.conf on your moko Jan 12 21:13:34 or so Jan 12 21:13:45 * reinouts looks Jan 12 21:13:49 (quick tests on your moko: can you ping the pc, can you ping other hosts than the pc, can you resolv) Jan 12 21:15:02 I can ping the pc, I'll add its ip address as nameserver Jan 12 21:16:57 does the pc have a dns-server that answers request from other hosts? Jan 12 21:17:10 if not, don't add your pc as a nameserver, but a real nameserver instead Jan 12 21:17:17 mw| ah ok :) Jan 12 21:17:22 look at /etc/resolv.conf on your pc and add the same ones on the moko Jan 12 21:18:51 network-manager should really take care of this stuff in the future (gui editable network settings for usb, and easy swap between wlan, usb and gsm) Jan 12 21:19:42 hello, is anyone here running 2.6.28 kernel? Jan 12 21:19:50 hmm my router is 192.168.1.1, I can ping it from the pc but not from the fr :-/ Jan 12 21:19:59 w23: yes, i am Jan 12 21:20:46 yet the pc and fr can ping each other Jan 12 21:20:50 reinouts: Jan 12 21:21:05 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#The_more_advanced_way Jan 12 21:21:07 dosl: what's the right way to do it? :D i.e., what versions of frameworkd, ophonekitd*, ... do i need? Jan 12 21:21:10 try the script in the bottom of that section Jan 12 21:21:14 run it on your computer Jan 12 21:22:05 w23: 1, not l ;) framework from master - actually rev1040 Jan 12 21:22:09 ophonekitd latest Jan 12 21:22:13 shr-settings latest Jan 12 21:23:45 oops, sry, they differ only in one pixel here :D Jan 12 21:23:52 *waiting for python-etk bug to show up again* I want to try to figure it out again... pentium-3m *slow* Jan 12 21:25:39 tordo: thanks! that works. Jan 12 21:26:28 tordo: now if I want to make wifi working, will mofi adjust resolv.conf again? Jan 12 21:27:16 reinouts: yes, it will Jan 12 21:27:21 and it will even disable usb0 Jan 12 21:28:14 right :) Jan 12 21:28:15 and the ssh server doesn't run on the wifi interface by default, so i recommend to fix that first Jan 12 21:28:15 mm, are they in any opkg feed (or just in ipk files) yet? or do i have to setup full developer environment to get them? Jan 12 21:28:44 w23: don't know, but i have it in my repo Jan 12 21:29:13 w23: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/feed/ Jan 12 21:30:01 that's interesting, thanks! Jan 12 21:33:20 is it normal that git ipk has over 30 MB? :x Jan 12 21:33:40 subversion has only few hunderts kilobytes... ;x Jan 12 21:35:01 dos1: that's because git contains *all* history Jan 12 21:35:37 hm.. how do i make myself a shr unstable developing environment? Jan 12 21:35:45 reinouts: but i'm saying about git app Jan 12 21:36:04 oh, I don't know then Jan 12 21:36:05 reinouts: app to commiting, cloning, pushing etc. into git repo ;) Jan 12 21:36:35 ewl is failing to build... Jan 12 21:38:40 lindi-, hi...i've debian running...now how do I include others module than my system's I don't find it in the intramfs config files Jan 12 21:38:46 dos1: yep, for me too :( Jan 12 21:38:48 or options Jan 12 21:38:56 cya Jan 12 21:39:11 mrmoku: can you ping me when it will build? Jan 12 21:39:34 dos1: can do... though I don't think it will be today Jan 12 21:39:43 heh Jan 12 21:40:26 dos1: btw. the settings app is getting really nice :-) Jan 12 21:43:00 mrmoku: thanks :) Jan 12 21:44:09 I've to go bye... Jan 12 21:44:44 in second part of february i think we will have wifi manager in shr-settings ;) Jan 12 21:44:48 or maybe earlier Jan 12 21:52:44 * tordo is trying to make a wifi manager-thingy with elementary Jan 12 21:53:02 tordo: python? Jan 12 21:53:06 C Jan 12 21:53:21 mostly to get to know elementary and stuff Jan 12 21:53:27 i got my phone under a week ago, i'm kinda new :P Jan 12 21:54:46 btw, is there any magic libframework-calls i should use for wlan setup, or should i just go with good old iwlib? Jan 12 21:55:38 + connect.sh/disconnect.sh (to ease the pain of adding some homebrew commands when connecting) Jan 12 21:56:38 hum.. is it normal for the 2.6.28 kernel to not mount the sdcard-root by the way? Jan 12 22:04:22 is the kernel in http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-unstable/images/om-gta02/ supposed to work, or am i doing something wrong? Jan 12 22:20:55 tordo: 2.6.28 should work with most sdcards without issues. Jan 12 22:21:35 then i'm doing something wrong i guess ;) Jan 12 22:30:38 tordo: some cards need rootdelay=1 set. Qi has it by default now. Jan 12 22:31:08 PaulFertser: hum.. i was accidentially installing the wrong distro anyways :D Jan 12 22:31:21 trying different rootfs/kernel now Jan 12 22:41:23 worked \o/ Jan 12 22:48:11 any shr devels here? Jan 12 22:50:38 polz: hi Jan 12 22:50:57 mrmoku: I'm trying to use shr-unstable on a gta01 Jan 12 22:51:03 and it's not working Jan 12 22:51:12 first of all, I'm running out of diskspace Jan 12 22:51:22 and secondly, I'm getting this from ophonekitd: Jan 12 22:51:49 * polz restarts ophonekitd Jan 12 22:52:03 shr-ultraunstable ? o.O Jan 12 22:52:12 viq: hehe :-) Jan 12 22:52:15 wtf is that? Jan 12 22:52:20 viq: i just installed it Jan 12 22:52:20 ... Jan 12 22:52:24 ** (process:1127): DEBUG: register_to_network_callback() Jan 12 22:52:24 ultraunstable sounded fun! Jan 12 22:52:25 ** (process:1127): DEBUG: get_messagebook_info_callback() Jan 12 22:52:26 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-ultraunstable/ Jan 12 22:52:27 ** (process:1127): DEBUG: ogsmd_sim_retrieve_phonebook_callback() Jan 12 22:52:28 Unknown SIM error: Antenna powered off or SIM not unlocked yet, 77 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32 Jan 12 22:52:44 * polz is just using the jan. 06 unstable Jan 12 22:53:16 who has the unstablest shr-competition! Jan 12 22:53:16 tordo: does it.... I don't know, wobble? ;) Jan 12 22:53:20 polz: don't know much about gta01... sorry Jan 12 22:53:38 polz: when i have that, "DISPLAY=:0 /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ophonekitd" helps most of the time Jan 12 22:53:41 tordo: ultraunstable is the image I'm trying to get in shape to be called unstable ;) Jan 12 22:53:45 mrmoku: well, I was hoping to find someone who knows something about frameworkd and ophonekitd Jan 12 22:53:47 have fun... won't work well Jan 12 22:53:52 mrmoku: :) Jan 12 22:54:05 usb0 doesn't seem to work on it though Jan 12 22:54:14 mrmoku: that sounds... uhm, well, yeah, outright scary :P Jan 12 22:54:33 tordo: one of the problems... open a terminal and do ifdown usb0; ifup usb0 should work afterwards Jan 12 22:54:42 Wonka: well, that's how I got that message - I've just restarted ophonekitd and copy+pasted the last error msg Jan 12 22:54:46 ok :) Jan 12 22:54:57 does anyone know what might be causing this? Jan 12 22:54:58 * tordo likes images where you have to be on irc to get them working Jan 12 22:54:59 btw. there is a new one from some minutes ago - should work a little better ;) Jan 12 22:55:14 polz: redo it until it doesn't fail. possibly go to some place with better reception, that seems to help. Jan 12 22:55:15 or at least have any ideas how I can help track them down :) Jan 12 22:55:17 gah Jan 12 22:55:20 downloading it myself right now... so I don't know for sure Jan 12 22:55:33 tordo: beats the images where you need debugging board and soldering iron ;) Jan 12 22:55:39 mrmoku: could you build a gta01 version, too? Jan 12 22:55:44 polz: IIRC Ainulindale has a gta01 too now... so chances are good it will get better :_) Jan 12 22:55:46 but installing it is so boring :'( Jan 12 22:55:59 polz: not yet... TOO BIG :( Jan 12 22:56:00 oh, sweet Jan 12 22:56:13 that man is amazing, *deity* bless his beard :) Jan 12 22:56:13 Anyway, time to head to sleep. Good night Jan 12 22:56:27 night Jan 12 22:57:16 hmm.. Jan 12 22:57:55 is the glibc-localedata-* really neccessary? Jan 12 22:58:11 mrmoku: i keep getting "usb0 No such device" Jan 12 22:58:17 but i'll try the new one Jan 12 22:58:22 polz: it holds the universe togather! :) Jan 12 22:59:08 btw, how exactly does the phone ring? Jan 12 22:59:17 ... Jan 12 22:59:20 ? Jan 12 22:59:28 I mean... since we have mplayer, would it be possible to get rid of gst? Jan 12 22:59:42 hm.. after just one week of owning this thing i realize my semester is practically ruined by the way Jan 12 23:00:28 polz: seems to me that mplayer as a ringtone player would be inefficient at best Jan 12 23:01:02 AntonTakk: well, gst is both huge and (at least judging by my experience) slow. Jan 12 23:01:46 mrmoku: ah, think i know why usb0 isn't working.. the uimage was newer than the rootfs Jan 12 23:01:58 that can't be quite healthy Jan 12 23:02:07 tordo: problem is g_ether is a module now... Jan 12 23:02:13 do you use the lite image I hope? Jan 12 23:02:23 i'm downloading it now Jan 12 23:02:38 cause i was using the non-lite, but now i saw the lite was newer Jan 12 23:02:39 tordo: btw. networking (including wifi) is going to be included into frameworkd Jan 12 23:03:13 polz: gst may be slow, but it's certainly fast enough to play a ringtone Jan 12 23:03:13 sounds neat Jan 12 23:03:47 AntonTakk: yeah, but since we also need mplayer anyway to play movies at a half-decent speed Jan 12 23:04:07 polz: also, given the speed at which glamo doesn't run, mplayer is a waste (on the fr anyways) cause there is very little in the way of meaningfull video playback Jan 12 23:04:11 AntonTakk: it might make sense to get rid of gst, at least on gta01 Jan 12 23:04:16 tordo: mokos are timeeaters ;) Jan 12 23:04:35 AntonTakk: what glamo? :> Jan 12 23:04:35 mrmoku: yes, indeed Jan 12 23:04:36 mrmoku: and so incredibly awesome fun! Jan 12 23:04:41 yep :-) Jan 12 23:05:04 i've never encountered such an unusable yet awesome gadget Jan 12 23:05:09 AntonTakk: besides, even 320x240 videos are acceptable on a screen this small Jan 12 23:05:13 polz: also, making development decisions for your new software based on your oldest device ian't all that logical Jan 12 23:05:18 AntonTakk: and AFAIK glamo can handle that Jan 12 23:06:27 polz: there was a rundown on one of the MLs, about the only way glamo can do anything reasonable wrt video is fairly convoluted and restrictive Jan 12 23:06:32 tordo: I hope the fun won't be over the day it gets usable ;) Jan 12 23:06:49 that's true Jan 12 23:06:59 otherwise we'll have to keep it constantly broken Jan 12 23:06:59 polz: which is why gta03 isn't planned to have glamo Jan 12 23:07:48 right now gta03 is 6410 Jan 12 23:07:48 it has its own gfx unit Jan 12 23:07:50 glamo would be utterly stupid Jan 12 23:07:54 AntonTakk: I remember reading those threads, but I beleive mpeg4 with 320x240 with 25FPS was possible Jan 12 23:08:02 raster: yes, thats what i understood too Jan 12 23:08:03 even if glamo were 5x the speed/features/whatever Jan 12 23:08:17 polz: give up on glamo Jan 12 23:08:23 save yourself pain and agony Jan 12 23:08:27 its not worth it Jan 12 23:08:28 raster: any opinion on the 6410's gfx? Jan 12 23:08:36 AntonTakk: very decent Jan 12 23:09:08 nice Jan 12 23:09:15 raster: I don't have a glamo. Jan 12 23:09:28 raster: I'm trying to use gta01 Jan 12 23:09:37 which is getting harder and harder Jan 12 23:09:44 around when will gta03 be released by the way? Jan 12 23:09:57 polz: you're better off :) Jan 12 23:09:59 tordo "when it's ready" Jan 12 23:10:16 good answer! Jan 12 23:10:42 granted i am no om official, so i have nfc :) Jan 12 23:10:43 raster: mainly because _some_ libraries are getting larger and larger Jan 12 23:11:00 * polz starts pointing a finger at raster and bulges his eyes Jan 12 23:11:03 tordo: booting now Jan 12 23:11:08 *bulge* *bulge* Jan 12 23:11:16 i'm still untarring :( Jan 12 23:12:31 tordo: the o1 was not really intended to be a consumer phone, unfortunately, just a developer's test device Jan 12 23:12:36 er Jan 12 23:12:44 polz ^^ sorry Jan 12 23:13:14 AntonTakk: it /almost/ made sense saying it to me, but not quite Jan 12 23:13:21 AntonTakk: well, it was marketed as "hardware working, with software not yet ready" Jan 12 23:13:49 polz: which, as i understand it, is quite acurate Jan 12 23:14:08 to_this_very_day! :) Jan 12 23:15:13 polz: dont look at me - i have illume images that are under 40m Jan 12 23:15:14 :) Jan 12 23:15:21 heh Jan 12 23:15:39 you might want to look at the 20+m of python sucked in Jan 12 23:15:40 :) Jan 12 23:16:29 mrmoku: is it working? Jan 12 23:16:41 tordo: boots yeah... usb0 not working :( Jan 12 23:17:19 :/ Jan 12 23:17:26 guess i'll be wlan-sshing then Jan 12 23:18:10 mrmoku: on some images there are/were reports of usb not working on the *first* boot, tried rebooting again? Jan 12 23:18:37 ifdown usb0 ; ifup usb0 brings it up Jan 12 23:18:53 booting into it now Jan 12 23:19:31 argggh... and networks.tab is still missing Jan 12 23:19:43 tordo: do you have frameworkd sources? Jan 12 23:20:03 i don't quite know what i've got to be honest Jan 12 23:20:20 :D Jan 12 23:20:26 but i have a bitbake going on Jan 12 23:20:30 so probably yes Jan 12 23:21:21 you have to copy networks.tab to /etc/freesmartphone/ogsmd Jan 12 23:21:26 have to create that dir first Jan 12 23:21:37 k Jan 12 23:22:15 after that either reboot or stop x restart frameworkd start x Jan 12 23:24:37 tordo: I'm off to bed now... so good luck ;) and remember... its called ULTRAunstable :p Jan 12 23:25:12 mrmoku: so should i be.. Jan 12 23:25:23 mrmoku: and yes, i know.. ;) Jan 12 23:26:24 polz: uncomrpessed all of efl, elementary, themes, enlightenment etc. is about 13m - compressed (as it will be in jffs2) its closer to 7m Jan 12 23:26:39 as such efl iosnt expanding eating up space at a vast rate Jan 12 23:27:05 * polz is just running opkg info | grep Size on all the installed packages Jan 12 23:27:23 if it's not efl, where has all the space been going for the past few months? Jan 12 23:27:32 fso Jan 12 23:27:44 if anything e went on a diet Jan 12 23:27:47 and removed several mb Jan 12 23:28:05 e goed a new default theme around 2 months ago Jan 12 23:28:17 http://www.rasterman.com/index.php?page=News Jan 12 23:28:19 scroll down Jan 12 23:28:27 23rd of oct news Jan 12 23:28:36 welp, goin home catch you guys layer Jan 12 23:29:46 the om distor can easily be stripped down Jan 12 23:34:50 weeee Jan 12 23:35:25 * tordo just got to run his elementarywifithingy on the phone for the first time Jan 12 23:46:06 raster: why does edje depend on cpp? Jan 12 23:46:32 sorry, edje-utils Jan 12 23:46:49 polz: all .edc files go thru cpp Jan 12 23:46:55 u can #define macros Jan 12 23:46:58 and #ifdef bits Jan 12 23:46:59 etc. Jan 12 23:48:06 well, cpp takes up about 2M, that's as much as e-wm Jan 12 23:50:01 cpp doesnt have to take 2m Jan 12 23:50:08 there are stand-alone cpps' that are 50k Jan 12 23:52:50 too bad one of them isn't used in shr Jan 12 23:56:07 10:55AM ~/C/SVN/E16/e/epp > wc -l *.[ch] Jan 12 23:56:09 9772 total Jan 12 23:56:27 thats a stand-alone cpp i hunted downa long time ago Jan 12 23:58:51 ok sorry Jan 12 23:58:52 not 50k Jan 12 23:58:54 92k Jan 12 23:59:01 92K a.out* Jan 12 23:59:03 raster: hmm, I wish Ainulindale would include it in shr Jan 12 23:59:26 and yeah, this highlight trigger was intentional :) Jan 12 23:59:45 nothing stops anyone from taking that code (it's gpl) Jan 13 00:00:11 and putting it into another cpp-standalone src tree Jan 13 00:00:11 and package it Jan 13 00:01:21 there are other ones too around Jan 13 00:07:27 Hello raster Jan 13 00:58:50 oh Jan 13 00:59:01 how do i change profile in new shr-settings? Jan 13 00:59:09 sliders keep to go back! Jan 13 01:01:06 well, how do i change anything there? :D Jan 13 01:10:30 can someone give my fiev trix about git ? Jan 13 01:22:41 still segfaults when i click on my elm_entry widget :-\ Jan 13 01:22:51 but it displays properly :) Jan 13 02:23:13 Hi Anton Jan 13 02:44:54 hi dave, what's up? Jan 13 02:50:23 Not a whole lot **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 13 02:59:57 2009