**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 14 02:59:57 2009
Jan 14 08:24:07 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: heeeeeeeeey
Jan 14 08:26:48 <lpotter> http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/01/14/nokia-to-license-qt-under-lgpl/
Jan 14 08:32:20 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: morning
Jan 14 08:33:46 <Ainulindale> pong
Jan 14 08:33:51 <Ainulindale> Give me some time to be coherent
Jan 14 08:34:01 <Ainulindale> I'm up since 6h30, slept at 2h
Jan 14 08:34:11 <Ainulindale> And I drank wine with a friend yesterday
Jan 14 08:34:24 <Ainulindale> So I'm mostly trying to remove my head from my ass 
Jan 14 08:34:43 <Ainulindale> I should remember I'm not that young anymore
Jan 14 08:34:45 <mrmoku> have fun with that :-)
Jan 14 08:34:57 <mrmoku> maybe cold water would help....
Jan 14 08:35:05 <Wonka> tomato juice?
Jan 14 08:35:15 <Wonka> works against hangovers, I heard
Jan 14 08:35:15 <Ainulindale> well I'm trying coffee
Jan 14 08:35:18 <mrmoku> or put your head into a bunch of snow
Jan 14 08:35:31 <Ainulindale> there's no snow anymore here
Jan 14 08:35:38 <mrmoku> coffee should be fine too then :-)
Jan 14 08:38:41 <Sargun> Ainulindale, hey old man.
Jan 14 08:39:47 <Ainulindale> Yes?
Jan 14 08:42:36 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: the new-SMS segfault still persists... even with consistent EFL_SRCREV
Jan 14 08:42:47 <mrmoku> so i think it might be some e breakage
Jan 14 08:42:59 <mrmoku> because nothing changed on our side
Jan 14 08:43:25 <mrmoku> btw. we have to spank quickdev quite hefty
Jan 14 08:43:49 <mrmoku> he put a non existing rev into the shr-testing sane revs
Jan 14 08:49:27 <Ainulindale> heh =)
Jan 14 08:54:10 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: just answered to the forum thread, please check
Jan 14 08:57:28 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: for e, what did raster said?
Jan 14 08:57:38 <mrmoku> he is hiding
Jan 14 08:58:06 <mrmoku> (maybe he disliked my comment about torturing)
Jan 14 08:58:45 <mrmoku> to find out if it's e we would have to build ultraunstable with an older EFL_SRCREV
Jan 14 08:59:56 <mrmoku> brb
Jan 14 09:05:28 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: downgrading EFL_SRCREV would work?
Jan 14 09:05:39 <Ainulindale> We have to wait for raster's opinion
Jan 14 09:05:51 <mrmoku> ok
Jan 14 09:06:00 <Ainulindale> Trying to figure out how to do that without him would be working in haste
Jan 14 09:06:07 <Ainulindale> And we all know what this leads to
Jan 14 09:08:17 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: for the vanilla forum... have to sign in?
Jan 14 09:08:33 <Ainulindale> well, try it, yes
Jan 14 09:08:51 <Ainulindale> I find vanilla quite great personally
Jan 14 09:08:57 <Ainulindale> I'm a bit afraid by the other forum
Jan 14 09:09:05 <Ainulindale> Even though it's dolf's favorite
Jan 14 09:09:43 <Ainulindale> billk: heh, your answer :-)
Jan 14 09:10:56 <billk> Ainulindale: yeah - I had a look and yes, its a forum. You have to log in, you have to spend time reading everything, taked forever to click thru, just painful after email
Jan 14 09:11:42 <Ainulindale> billk: agreed
Jan 14 09:11:48 <Ainulindale> billk: this is not what I'm interested in as a developer
Jan 14 09:13:05 <billk> Ainulindale: My main use of forums is gentoo where they are a valuable adjunct.  Meaningful stuff goes by email,
Jan 14 09:13:38 <Ainulindale> billk: same here
Jan 14 09:13:42 <Ainulindale> (even for gentoo)
Jan 14 09:13:52 <billk> Ainulindale: and some stuff can be found on the forums, but its a real pain to find and navigate
Jan 14 09:13:53 <mrmoku> yep, me too... 
Jan 14 09:14:49 <billk> Ainulindale: I dont mind a forum for those who want it, and hopefully its linked to email,
Jan 14 09:15:25 <billk> Ainulindale: but what got up my nose was Dolfs assertion that it was to be compilsory to force people to use it
Jan 14 09:16:16 <billk> Ainulindale: as otherwise it will go the way of other OM forums - basicly dead.
Jan 14 09:20:05 <Ainulindale> billk: agreed to
Jan 14 09:20:15 <Ainulindale> Dolf's too much excited about that
Jan 14 09:20:20 <Ainulindale> That's a good thing to be excited
Jan 14 09:20:32 <Ainulindale> And even though he has good intentions
Jan 14 09:20:43 <Ainulindale> I think he doesn't realize what we need/want right now
Jan 14 09:20:47 <Ainulindale> First as developers, then as users
Jan 14 09:22:03 <billk> Ainulindale: agreed - if the forums any good, people will come, but I am afraid it just doesnt work for development
Jan 14 09:22:46 <billk> Ainulindale: Despite this, as long as its linked via email so both groups can share, it could develope a niche such as the gentoo forums have
Jan 14 09:23:51 <billk> After todays updares, I can compile mtd-utils-native
Jan 14 09:23:58 <billk> "ERROR: '/usr/moko/shr-unstable/openembedded/packages/mtd/mtd-utils-native_1.2.0+git.bb' failed"
Jan 14 09:24:20 <billk> Is there a way to wind just this package back to a previous version?
Jan 14 09:25:06 <soken> billk, I think that would be by using BBMASK, but I'm having troubles figuring that out myself...
Jan 14 09:25:17 <soken> hi all, btw :)
Jan 14 09:25:58 <billk> soken: tks, I'll check that out later.
Jan 14 09:27:28 <soken> Does anybody know how to use BBMASK?
Jan 14 09:28:21 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I have some stuff for you if you're bored
Jan 14 09:28:40 <mrmoku> hmm, the administrator is not reviewing my membership ;)
Jan 14 09:28:54 <Ainulindale> Oh sorry
Jan 14 09:29:03 <mrmoku> what stuff? I'm never bored, but always interested :D
Jan 14 09:29:37 <Ainulindale> We need to refactor the tasks
Jan 14 09:29:44 <Ainulindale> There should be three tasks
Jan 14 09:29:48 <Ainulindale> task-shr
Jan 14 09:29:50 <Ainulindale> task-shr-minimal
Jan 14 09:29:53 <Ainulindale> and task-shr-feed
Jan 14 09:30:03 <Ainulindale> task-shr/task-shr-minimal should be a grouping of the subtasks
Jan 14 09:30:16 <Ainulindale> with RDEPENDS_${PN}-suffix
Jan 14 09:30:33 <Ainulindale> i.e. bitbake task-shr will generate task-shr-apps, task-shr-games, etc
Jan 14 09:30:41 <Ainulindale> This is more compliant with OE
Jan 14 09:32:08 <mrmoku> ok
Jan 14 09:38:35 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: so, vanilla?
Jan 14 09:38:40 <Ainulindale> I'd rather use vanilla than metaforum
Jan 14 09:38:44 <Ainulindale> metaforum sounds more "shiny"
Jan 14 09:41:00 <sakkara> e is also very "shiny" :P
Jan 14 09:47:42 <billk> soken: for mtd-utils-native I solved it by editing the failed line out - built fine and I dont think ubifs is normally used so it should be safe.
Jan 14 09:50:31 <mrmoku> sorry... was on the phone
Jan 14 09:52:56 <mrmoku> added my opinion about opimd ;)
Jan 14 09:53:04 <Ainulindale> heh
Jan 14 09:53:14 <mrmoku> btw. how is the opimd front?
Jan 14 09:53:32 <mrmoku> (know... should discuss this via the forum ;)
Jan 14 09:53:47 <Ainulindale> via the ML
Jan 14 09:53:52 <Ainulindale> and currently no news from abraxxa
Jan 14 09:53:53 <Ainulindale> -x
Jan 14 09:54:05 <mrmoku> no tarball? no git push?
Jan 14 09:55:27 <Ainulindale> no news
Jan 14 10:00:55 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: you're now admin
Jan 14 10:01:02 <Ainulindale> that'll help you to see what is possible
Jan 14 10:02:58 <soken> billk, I don't think that will work for me (I'm having problems with openssl-native)
Jan 14 10:04:24 * mrmoku has unlimited votes :P
Jan 14 10:04:39 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: yeah :-)
Jan 14 10:07:36 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: currently browsing the extensions
Jan 14 10:09:56 <mrmoku> its just 429... ;)
Jan 14 10:36:59 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: is there a reason that shr-image.bb DEPENDS on tasks and shr-image.inc RDEPENDS on them?
Jan 14 10:38:26 <Ainulindale> Yeah
Jan 14 10:38:27 <Ainulindale> A bad one
Jan 14 10:38:38 <Ainulindale> (that is to say I just set that without thinking)
Jan 14 10:38:42 <mrmoku> :-)
Jan 14 10:38:45 <Ainulindale> It should RDEPEND
Jan 14 10:38:51 <mrmoku> ok
Jan 14 10:39:25 <mrmoku> RDEPEND or RDEPENDS_${PN}?
Jan 14 10:39:47 <Ainulindale> the latter
Jan 14 10:46:13 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: so... the tasks in shr-image.inc go to task-shr-minimal.bb and image.inc depends on that one...
Jan 14 10:46:44 <Ainulindale> use the RDEPENDS
Jan 14 10:46:48 <Ainulindale> not the depends
Jan 14 10:47:06 <mrmoku> yep... (ment that) :-)
Jan 14 10:59:27 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: pushed the tasks... hope I understood correctly :-)
Jan 14 11:30:42 <mirko> is someone around who is familiar with the fso/dbus-stuff?
Jan 14 11:49:45 <lindi-> mirko: only somewhat
Jan 14 11:50:28 <mirko> i'm getting this error when paroli starts: http://pb.nanl.de/?show=322
Jan 14 11:51:02 <mirko> paroli seems to expect an answer - but i don't know which app /fso or gsmmultiplexer?) should answer here and how to debug
Jan 14 11:51:55 <mirko> lindi-: do you have any idea?
Jan 14 11:52:10 <mirko> will get sth. to eat now - will stay online in case you
Jan 14 11:52:16 <mirko> have any suggestions
Jan 14 11:56:13 <lindi-> mirko: ousaged should be subsystem of frameworkd
Jan 14 11:58:07 <alexxy> Ainulindale: hi ;) is there pim support for SHR?
Jan 14 12:00:13 <alphaone> mirko: Could you provide the frameworkd logs?
Jan 14 12:10:07 <billk> Ainulindale: what version of gcc do you reccomend for compiling shr? - I used 3.4.6, but would rather 4.1.x to complement my buildhost
Jan 14 12:35:26 <Ainulindale> billk: no idea
Jan 14 12:36:15 <billk> Ainulindale: I'll try 4.1.2 next time and see dies ...
Jan 14 12:36:57 <Ainulindale> Ok :-)
Jan 14 12:39:34 <mrmoku> billk: gcc (GCC) 4.3.2 20081105 (Red Hat 4.3.2-7)
Jan 14 12:39:41 <mrmoku> is what I use on my local buildhost
Jan 14 12:39:55 <mrmoku> produces working images... sometimes ;)
Jan 14 12:41:00 <billk> mrmoku: tkx, saw something when rying mokomakefile that 3.3.6 was reccomended, but
Jan 14 12:41:37 <mrmoku> IIRC that was for qemu... maybe thats fixed nowadays
Jan 14 12:41:37 <billk> build actually wanted -Wextra which needed >=3.4.6
Jan 14 12:41:53 <billk> ahh, maybe ...
Jan 14 12:54:30 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: ping
Jan 14 12:55:33 <morphis> stefan_schmidth: pong
Jan 14 12:55:40 <morphis> great your are here :)
Jan 14 12:56:19 <morphis> my m800 arrived yesterday :) 
Jan 14 12:56:20 <morphis> great phone with a sucking mobile os 
Jan 14 12:56:25 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: I just pushed the libertas-gspi branch: http://git.gnufiish.org/?p=gnufiish.git;a=summary
Jan 14 12:56:34 <morphis> stefan_schmidth: great
Jan 14 12:56:48 <stefan_schmidt> two commits. One with the patches for the driver and one for the machine setup
Jan 14 12:56:57 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: currently I have problems to boot linux probably
Jan 14 12:57:05 <stefan_schmidt> maybe check if newer version of the driver patch are available
Jan 14 12:57:28 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: Also you need the two firmware files: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.wireless.general/26469/
Jan 14 12:57:56 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: What is the exact problem?
Jan 14 12:58:40 <morphis> stefan_schmidth: I boot the linux successfully with haret but it complains, that it can't boot from mmcblk0p2 where a unpacked the current shr-lite-gta01 image
Jan 14 13:00:02 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: make sure you have "ro" in the kernel commandline
Jan 14 13:00:24 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: There is a bug somewhere that announces the sd read only
Jan 14 13:00:28 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: ok, that option I missed
Jan 14 13:00:33 <stefan_schmidt> It get still mounted rw later
Jan 14 13:00:37 <morphis> I will try it
Jan 14 13:00:58 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: Lucky one. I spent nearly two days on it before Harald told me. :)
Jan 14 13:01:13 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: Have to leave now. later
Jan 14 13:01:30 <morphis> stefan_schmidt: thanks for this little fact, ok, we will talk later
Jan 14 13:01:55 <dcordes> stefan_schmidt hi. lwn dude got the phone yet?
Jan 14 13:18:00 <mirko> lindi-: alphaone: full frameworkd-log: http://pastebin.com/m197f18af
Jan 14 13:20:01 <mirko> thanks for your efforts!
Jan 14 13:21:46 <alphaone> mirko: Whenever please enable ogsmd debugging (log_level = DEBUG in [ogsmd]
Jan 14 13:22:12 <alphaone> mirko: Are you testing this on the Freerunner?
Jan 14 13:27:00 <mirko> alphaone: yes, nativly
Jan 14 13:27:21 <alphaone> okay
Jan 14 13:27:33 <alphaone> debugging would be greatly appreciated
Jan 14 13:27:36 <mirko> i'll enable debug-options and try again
Jan 14 13:27:53 <alphaone> I always have ogsmd set to DEBUG and log to the SD card
Jan 14 13:28:09 <alphaone> That way when something turns up I can take a look
Jan 14 13:28:12 <mirko> i'm logging to ramdisk actually - so it's no prob
Jan 14 13:28:28 <mirko> the device isn't freezing (actually) ;)
Jan 14 13:29:08 <alphaone> ram could become a problem sooner or later
Jan 14 13:29:33 <lindi-> alphaone: you could compress the logs?
Jan 14 13:29:39 <alphaone> sure...
Jan 14 13:29:49 <alphaone> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         2.9M Jan 14 14:29 /media/card/frameworkd.log
Jan 14 13:30:18 <alphaone> But if you reboot your phone regularly it should be okay
Jan 14 13:30:32 <lindi-> i don't reboot unless i really need to
Jan 14 13:35:48 <billk> How can I tell shr-unstable what packages I want to include in the build? - I want to add/delte a couple like mickyterm is built but not installed in the image.
Jan 14 13:35:52 <Ainulindale> Yay, just  received my spare GTA02
Jan 14 13:39:08 <mirko> alphaone: lindi-: paroli: http://pastebin.com/m70897b38 fso-framework (with debug): http://pastebin.com/m1f52cfc gsm0710muxd: http://pastebin.com/m4745f7e2
Jan 14 13:40:26 * mrmoku is imaging all that BUZZ with three mokos phoning one another ;)
Jan 14 13:41:20 <AntonTakk> "ahh! the bees are attacking"  :)
Jan 14 13:41:28 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: heh
Jan 14 13:44:11 <AntonTakk> either of you know what would make an efl app shrink to an unusable size when swallowing an elm layout containing an edje group in to a swallow part of another edje group in another elm_layout?
Jan 14 13:46:24 <AntonTakk> setting the minimum size hint seems to make the elm entry part unstable, clicking on it generates segfaults
Jan 14 14:01:24 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: you are aware of the openssl breakage in OE?
Jan 14 14:01:41 <Ainulindale> you told me about it yes
Jan 14 14:02:12 <mrmoku> this might be a use case for the 'setting a fixed rev for OE' functionality in the Makefile ;)
Jan 14 14:02:45 <Ainulindale> heh
Jan 14 14:03:48 <mrmoku> just tried that on the buildhost... works nicely :-)
Jan 14 14:06:43 <mrmoku> problem is... we need a patch that comes after the breakage (missing font-update) :(
Jan 14 14:06:54 <Ainulindale> cherry pick it in the overlay :-)
Jan 14 14:07:22 <mrmoku> I'm still hoping they will figure the breakage out soonish...
Jan 14 14:08:14 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: you should join #oe, I just asked about it
Jan 14 14:09:26 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: I was listening first ;)
Jan 14 14:09:40 <Ainulindale> Hey mickeyl :-)
Jan 14 14:09:52 <Ainulindale> Heard you were a sissy and didn't intend to meet at FOSDEM :-)
Jan 14 14:17:49 <yoyo> ophonekitd (gitr553) is unstable (sms part) 
Jan 14 14:18:07 <mickeyl> hi
Jan 14 14:18:21 <mickeyl> yes, it looks like interest @ FOSDEM has dropped amazingly this year among the OE crowd
Jan 14 14:18:34 <Ainulindale> yoyo: that is to say?
Jan 14 14:18:42 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: unfortunately yes
Jan 14 14:19:10 <yoyo> Ainulindale: seg fault on openmoko-message 
Jan 14 14:19:35 <yoyo> app try to hide window. 
Jan 14 14:19:41 <Ainulindale> yoyo: use case? log?
Jan 14 14:19:44 <Ainulindale> Please open a ticket
Jan 14 14:20:04 <Hire> AHAH
Jan 14 14:20:10 <Hire> the sound message !
Jan 14 14:20:16 <Hire> i get an heart attack
Jan 14 14:20:16 <yoyo> Ainulindale: can you explain me how?
Jan 14 14:20:28 <Ainulindale> how what?
Jan 14 14:20:50 <yoyo> Ainulindale: how can I open a ticket 
Jan 14 14:21:33 <Ainulindale> Register then you'll have a button new tickeet
Jan 14 14:24:54 <mrmoku> yoyo: segfault when pressing the new button?
Jan 14 14:25:28 <yoyo> mrmoku: seffault if you start openmoko-messager on start
Jan 14 14:26:07 <yoyo> mrmoku: or if you from examle contacts select contact then sms
Jan 14 14:35:44 <yoyo> mrmoku: my error. you are correct on new button !
Jan 14 14:36:23 <Ainulindale> Damn this quickdev guy :-)
Jan 14 14:37:19 <Zorkman> [i can acces blog.shr-project.org but not build.shr-project.org... is it my connection or the server?
Jan 14 14:37:26 <yoyo> ** (process:XXX): DEBUG: No frame to hide
Jan 14 14:37:27 <yoyo> Segmentation fault
Jan 14 14:38:11 <mrmoku> yeah... I have that one too. What version are you using?
Jan 14 14:38:17 <sicu> Zorkman: it's you ... it's always you
Jan 14 14:38:34 <Zorkman> yeayh but why can I acces the blog??
Jan 14 14:38:50 <Zorkman> build, git and trac not...
Jan 14 14:39:40 <sicu> Zorkman: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/build.shr-project.org
Jan 14 14:40:14 <Zorkman> thanks
Jan 14 14:40:29 <sicu> =]
Jan 14 14:40:54 <Zorkman> but is it normal that blog.something.com is reachable for me, but build.*something not?
Jan 14 14:41:26 <Zorkman> really.... bearstech.com and shr-project.org are the only domains that are sometimes unreachable for me...seems like SHR really hates me
Jan 14 14:42:01 <alphaone> mirko: Hmm, this looks like a different error
Jan 14 14:42:16 <alphaone> The calypso didn't detect a SIM card
Jan 14 14:42:21 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: it's not the same computer
Jan 14 14:43:53 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: Hey good thing
Jan 14 14:44:15 <Ainulindale> Now I can install testing, unstable, and ultraunstable
Jan 14 14:44:24 <Ainulindale> Or shr-image, shr-lite-image and shr-uberlite
Jan 14 14:45:17 <Zorkman> SHR goes powerranger? shr ultra mega fantastic 4 super unstable! :)
Jan 14 14:45:30 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: exactly :-)
Jan 14 14:45:38 <mrmoku> heh, I just did that ultraunstable link to be able to install gdb on my FR
Jan 14 14:45:43 <Ainulindale> yoyo: please add the log and the use case on your ticket
Jan 14 14:45:50 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: gdb is in unstable
Jan 14 14:45:54 <Ainulindale> (IIRC)
Jan 14 14:45:55 <Zorkman> one day it might become shr ultra mega fantastic 4 super STABLE ;)
Jan 14 14:45:59 <mrmoku> thought the name would keep people from downloading it
Jan 14 14:46:13 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yep, but I didn't want to mix repos
Jan 14 14:46:54 <Ainulindale> You don't have to
Jan 14 14:46:58 <Ainulindale> wget the file :-)
Jan 14 14:47:10 <alphaone> mirko: COMPLETED 'AT+CFUN=1' => ['+CME ERROR: 10'] -> You can't turn on the antenna because no SIM is present
Jan 14 14:49:19 <yoyo> Ainulindale: http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/255 << OK ?
Jan 14 14:49:23 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: you know what dependencies gdb brings?
Jan 14 14:49:31 <mrmoku> would have gone mad downloading all via wget ;)
Jan 14 14:49:41 <Ainulindale> I'm not sure about that
Jan 14 14:49:54 <Ainulindale> yoyo: perfect! :-)
Jan 14 14:50:14 <tordo> is the new überunstable worth downloading?
Jan 14 14:50:17 <tordo> :D
Jan 14 14:50:22 <mrmoku> tordo: no :-)
Jan 14 14:50:36 <AntonTakk> Ainulindale: yeah, didn't you know that gdb dependancies is the main reason for the bulk of modern desktop distros?  ;)
Jan 14 14:50:53 * tordo downloads anyways
Jan 14 14:51:05 * mrmoku knew that
Jan 14 14:51:27 <AntonTakk> debian could be released on a single business card cd if they'd drop gdb and it's dependancies   ;)
Jan 14 14:51:58 <tordo> hm.. does Qi allow multiple image partitions on the sd card?
Jan 14 14:52:18 <mrmoku> tordo: to boot from?
Jan 14 14:52:22 <tordo> mm
Jan 14 14:52:40 <mrmoku> I have two partitions on my SD... boot only from the first one though
Jan 14 14:53:02 <tordo> would be awesome, then it could actually make sense to have a 4gb card
Jan 14 14:59:19 <mrmoku> tordo: yep, I have an 8GB with a small partition for the system and the rest for data :-)
Jan 14 15:00:22 <tordo> ^^
Jan 14 15:00:37 <tordo> i think i'll install unstable to the flash anyways
Jan 14 15:00:52 <tordo> and then use the sdcard for messing around
Jan 14 15:01:28 <mrmoku> yeah... I tend to keep a quite working phone in flash and a playground on SD
Jan 14 15:01:53 <mrmoku> though I find myself mainly booting into the playground :P
Jan 14 15:01:53 <tordo> well
Jan 14 15:01:57 <tordo> :P
Jan 14 15:02:05 <tordo> i gave up on having my main simcard in it
Jan 14 15:02:30 * mrmoku thinks tordo is a whimp ;)
Jan 14 15:02:33 <tordo> but maybe i change my mind if things start to work
Jan 14 15:02:42 <tordo> im new! be nice!
Jan 14 15:02:57 <mrmoku> I find the quietness of a non-ringing phone quite relaxing :D
Jan 14 15:03:05 <tordo> yeah
Jan 14 15:03:16 <tordo> i love the times when my phone is dead and i don't know it
Jan 14 15:03:17 <tordo> it's awesome
Jan 14 15:08:30 <mickeyl> new marketing strategy... 'neo... for the stressed businessman'
Jan 14 15:08:54 <mrmoku> hehe
Jan 14 15:11:06 <tordo> not to mention, if you get a neo you just stay in hacking it anyways, so you don't need to call anyone :)
Jan 14 15:12:37 <mrmoku> you don't have *time* to make phone calls :)
Jan 14 15:58:03 <yoyo> yyy error in sysfs "powerSupply
Jan 14 15:58:28 <Ainulindale> yoyo: ticket!
Jan 14 15:58:34 <yoyo> class file /sys/class/power_supply/bat-th-gta01/status shows all time Charging :)
Jan 14 15:58:48 <yoyo> Ainulindale: ok ok
Jan 14 15:59:17 <dos1> Ainulindale: what is shr-ultraunstable? what's different?
Jan 14 16:01:54 <mrmoku> dos1: contains the new kernel and frameworkd - and needs still some love before being usable
Jan 14 16:02:45 <dos1> mrmoku: so it's what i will get when i will build actuall shr-unstable?
Jan 14 16:02:57 <mrmoku> yep
Jan 14 16:04:38 <yoyo> Ainulindale: for witch component add sysfs error?
Jan 14 16:05:48 <Ainulindale> frameworkd
Jan 14 16:05:58 <Ainulindale> or image
Jan 14 16:05:59 <Ainulindale> no idea
Jan 14 16:09:25 <PaulFertser> tordo: with Qi you can boot from either of the first 3 primary partitions of a card or from a NAND. It allows you to skip interactively the current boot possibility and use the next one.
Jan 14 16:10:42 <tordo> PaulFertser: hmm
Jan 14 16:10:49 <tordo> that's kinda sweet!
Jan 14 16:10:58 * tordo sets up 3 system partitions on his sdcard
Jan 14 16:11:28 <PaulFertser> tordo: Just press AUX while the red LED is on and FR will vibrate indicating that it skips this boot possibility.
Jan 14 16:11:54 <PaulFertser> Not exactly very convinient, but it's ok.
Jan 14 16:12:17 <PaulFertser> Or you could volunteer to create a decent initramfs-based menu.
Jan 14 16:12:55 <tordo> interesting
Jan 14 16:13:24 <tordo> i was actually just going to ask how a mediocre new-to-openmoko programmer could contribute :)
Jan 14 16:16:24 <PaulFertser> It will require basic kernel compiling skills (to prepare a very slim kernel for fast booting menu) and then i think a bash script controllable via AUX and POWER will suffice ;) I'm not sure that's really needed but for some reason people keep talking about a "comfortable" way to choose where to boot from. I think what Qi gives is enough for almost everybody.
Jan 14 16:17:11 <dos1> PaulFertser: someone wants to do it on maillist, with touchscreen support
Jan 14 16:19:46 <PaulFertser> dos1: I've read about it. But i'd prefer a simple text-based menu. Why bother with FB, graphics, touchscreen etc? Just to make something "fancy"? :-/
Jan 14 16:21:15 <dos1> PaulFertser: if someone wants to bother with it, it's his choice ;)
Jan 14 16:21:30 <PaulFertser> dos1: but i can make a suggestion ;)
Jan 14 16:21:56 <dos1> PaulFertser: yes, but maybe his aim is to get touch based, good looking boot menu
Jan 14 16:22:08 <bumbl> i think the current way how qi get's things done is ok
Jan 14 16:22:26 <PaulFertser> tordo: btw, angstrom guys have already done something like what i describe. I guess you can borrow the code from them.
Jan 14 16:22:46 <tordo> PaulFertser: we'll see
Jan 14 16:22:55 <tordo> i wouldn't put my money on me :-P
Jan 14 16:22:58 <dos1> PaulFertser: if he wants to get tired with messing up all this things only to get this aim, it's his choice
Jan 14 16:23:01 <dos1> that's what i mean ;)
Jan 14 16:23:17 <PaulFertser> bumbl: the only thing i miss -- a possibility to choose verbose boot. I think i'll try to add it as it's already almost implemented. And Andy gave me a decent hint about usage of PWR button.
Jan 14 16:23:34 <PaulFertser> dos1: i understand :)
Jan 14 16:23:43 <bumbl> PaulFertser: it is possible with the text file which passes commands to the kernel
Jan 14 16:25:27 <PaulFertser> bumbl: sure, but it's not dynamic. Imagine i installed a new kernel and it won't boot. Now i have to boot from NAND, change append file, reboot, understand the problem, reboot again to NAND, copy a new fixed kernel etc. If it was a matter of keypress, it'd one reboot less.
Jan 14 16:32:08 <bumbl> sure
Jan 14 16:32:13 <bumbl> i see your point
Jan 14 16:33:32 <Ainulindale> Hey guys, how would you call, in english, the document which is there to describe how to ensure the quality assurance of a project?
Jan 14 16:34:22 <bumbl> quality assurance
Jan 14 16:34:40 <Ainulindale> that's not the name of the document :-)
Jan 14 16:35:04 <bumbl> i would call it so
Jan 14 16:35:20 <AntonTakk> Quality Assurance = it matches it's md5sum  :)
Jan 14 16:36:00 <AntonTakk> md5sum software.img software.img, if they match, youre good  ;)
Jan 14 16:36:06 <bumbl> AntonTakk: nah 
Jan 14 16:36:16 <bumbl> md5sum + works in real live
Jan 14 16:36:55 <AntonTakk> bah
Jan 14 16:37:43 <bumbl> quality protection essay
Jan 14 16:37:52 <AntonTakk> real life is for people who............er..........don't play mmos
Jan 14 16:38:45 <bumbl> do we play mmos?
Jan 14 16:42:36 <AntonTakk> bumbl: we could port a 2d sprite based mmo to the fr and work it down so it could be played reasonably over gprs  ;)
Jan 14 16:43:34 <mrmoku> quality control pamphlet
Jan 14 16:45:28 <bumbl> AntonTakk: i don't like mmos because i am bad at them
Jan 14 16:48:58 <AntonTakk> bumbl: you play as an intrepid om employee, and come in to work one day to find the om offices over run with hardware and software bugs (robots, and biological actual bugs) a near by fr rings and it is some high level om person giving you the mission to restore things to normal and giving you important info, which you don't get to hear because the sound is kinda quiet and there is some buzzing  :)
Jan 14 16:50:53 <bumbl> hahah
Jan 14 16:51:46 <mrmoku> QA euphemism :-)
Jan 14 16:54:54 <AntonTakk> bumbl: more suited for a regular rpg  :)
Jan 14 16:56:05 <notserpe> what kernel bootloader should I be running on a GTA01Bv4 that I haven't used in over a year?
Jan 14 16:58:44 <eolson> notserpe, I would use FSO latest milestone -- then the 2 line echo fix ATN...   (I have a gta01)
Jan 14 16:58:44 <eolson> shr distro is getting there, but not working well for yet for me at least.
Jan 14 16:59:13 <eolson> I don't know exactly which kernel.   I just pick the ones that come with the distro.
Jan 14 16:59:26 <notserpe> you're running GTA02 kernel on 01?
Jan 14 16:59:41 <eolson> no, there are GTA01 kernels released
Jan 14 16:59:43 <notserpe> fso testing doesn't seem to have a kernel
Jan 14 16:59:45 <yoyo> notserpe: shr
Jan 14 17:00:07 <yoyo> notserpe: shr support gta01
Jan 14 17:01:00 <notserpe> ok
Jan 14 17:01:33 <Ainulindale> eolson: not working well?
Jan 14 17:01:34 <eolson> notserpe, I see a uImage at the bottom of this fso page: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone4.1/
Jan 14 17:01:36 <Ainulindale> Care to elaborate?
Jan 14 17:01:42 <Ainulindale> Reasons, caveats, tickets?
Jan 14 17:02:09 <bumbl> mrmoku: is ultraunstable getting better
Jan 14 17:02:16 <Ainulindale> Eventually a signature at the bottom of a contract stating that you will spend the rest of your life trying to help us? :-)
Jan 14 17:02:22 <eolson> Ainulindale, If I do update, dialer doesn't always come up.
Jan 14 17:02:29 <bumbl> Ainulindale: any progress on opimd
Jan 14 17:02:33 <Ainulindale> That is to say?
Jan 14 17:02:37 <Ainulindale> bumbl: none, other things to do
Jan 14 17:02:38 <eolson> Sorry, if I don't opkg update, dialer doesn't always come up.
Jan 14 17:02:39 <Ainulindale> (work)
Jan 14 17:02:55 <Ainulindale> eolson: so the image is outdated, that's what you meant?
Jan 14 17:03:08 <notserpe> eolson: tnx
Jan 14 17:03:09 <bumbl> Ainulindale: hasn't openmoko yet hired yo :p
Jan 14 17:03:10 <eolson> well, if I do update, I ended up with a broken system
Jan 14 17:03:10 <Ainulindale> But with an actual update, it works properly?
Jan 14 17:03:21 <Ainulindale> bumbl: nope, and I don't they could afford me
Jan 14 17:03:27 <eolson> but it could be that I had to move lots of packages to the sd card and opkg-link
Jan 14 17:03:38 <Ainulindale> eolson: then please retry :-)
Jan 14 17:03:41 <bumbl> Ainulindale: hehe
Jan 14 17:03:46 <eolson> ok, will do
Jan 14 17:03:53 <mrmoku> bumbl: even more ultra ;)
Jan 14 17:04:22 <eolson> Ainulindale, testing or unstable?
Jan 14 17:04:39 <bumbl> mrmoku: hehe
Jan 14 17:05:40 <Ainulindale> eolson: your choice
Jan 14 17:05:51 <Ainulindale> But I'd suggest unstable
Jan 14 17:08:09 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: I rebuilt the image with the new tasks... same size and same behaviour :-)
Jan 14 17:08:30 <eolson> ok, thanks
Jan 14 17:10:06 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: did you clean the previous tasks before?
Jan 14 17:10:22 <Ainulindale> (as well as the image)
Jan 14 17:10:56 <mrmoku> hehe, good question... no :(
Jan 14 17:12:08 <mrmoku> maybe I should add some makefile rules... like 'clean-tasks' or 'clean-efl'...
Jan 14 17:12:28 <Ainulindale> :-)
Jan 14 17:12:39 <Ainulindale> I'd say, don't trouble yourself with that
Jan 14 17:19:54 <soken> my build of shr-unstable fails at dbus-native, what could be causing this error? http://rafb.net/p/NbmZjW62.html
Jan 14 17:21:20 <Ainulindale> soken: I think that's because you mistakenly wrote "Projekt" instead of "Project"
Jan 14 17:21:31 <Ainulindale> But more seriously
Jan 14 17:21:43 <Ainulindale> This seems to be a cross compilation problem
Jan 14 17:21:44 <admiral0> hi guys
Jan 14 17:22:00 <Ainulindale> it uses libraries from your host
Jan 14 17:22:03 <Ainulindale> and not from your staging directory
Jan 14 17:22:11 <admiral0> was the issue with the antenna power error solved?
Jan 14 17:22:19 <Ainulindale> see line 427
Jan 14 17:22:30 <Dave> Hallo mrmoku
Jan 14 17:23:36 <soken> Ainulindale, yeah I noticed that, but I wasn't shure if that was the way it was supposed to be
Jan 14 17:30:26 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rcd6a53f364af 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/ (generic.py resources.py): ousaged: move errors to appropriate modules.
Jan 14 17:30:26 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf854ffd892bc 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/resources.py: ousaged: fix resource policy 'enabled'. Had been broken since months, but apparantly no one notice :)
Jan 14 18:10:11 <mrmoku> Dave: your german is getting better ;)
Jan 14 18:11:16 <dcordes> grützi
Jan 14 18:11:32 <mrmoku> \whois dcordes 
Jan 14 18:12:34 <mrmoku> hehe, now everybody is thinking I'm a DOS adictive :(
Jan 14 18:12:37 <mrmoku> +d
Jan 14 18:13:56 <Defiant-> mrmoku: right. But since you are here...probably DR-DOS
Jan 14 18:14:07 <Defiant-> ;)
Jan 14 18:14:11 <dcordes> :O
Jan 14 18:14:44 <dcordes> aha aha fluxnetz gmbh??
Jan 14 18:15:04 <mrmoku> dcordes: wanted to see if you have some .ch somewhere :-)
Jan 14 18:15:54 <Digital_Pioneer> OK, so I would really love an app to put my phone in silent mode at given times on given days (I'm a student, so I want it to automatically mute/unmute for my classes) but I'm not much of a programmer, so I figured I could use a series of CRON jobs. However, wouldn't the phone need to be running (not suspended) for those cron jobs to run? Therefore, the phone would ring as normal when the GSM chip woke it up, if the phone was suspended 
Jan 14 18:15:55 <dcordes> no I'm in the middle of nowhere, Westerwald
Jan 14 18:15:56 <Digital_Pioneer> when the job should have run?
Jan 14 18:16:19 <dcordes> rural areas suck
Jan 14 18:16:48 <dcordes> I want to return to my urbanized home area
Jan 14 18:17:18 <Dave> mrmoku, german?
Jan 14 18:17:29 <mrmoku> Dave: you said 'Hallo'
Jan 14 18:17:33 <Dave> Nederlands!
Jan 14 18:17:40 <Dave> :p
Jan 14 18:18:29 <mrmoku> dcordes: bad connection out there?
Jan 14 18:19:51 <mirko> alphaone: but for sure a sim card is inserted
Jan 14 18:19:59 <mirko> alphaone: i tried several to make sure :)
Jan 14 18:20:10 <dcordes> mrmoku: well I have good 3g signal
Jan 14 18:20:18 <dcordes> mrmoku: but everything else sucks in this place
Jan 14 18:20:27 <mirko> anyway - i don't think it should "die" this way, even if no sim is present
Jan 14 18:21:23 <mirko> alphaone: how to debug that? the gsm0710muxd is opening the serial device (according log file)
Jan 14 18:22:33 <mrmoku> dcordes: I'm looking forward to http://www.m-net.de/ueber_m_net/netz_offensive/maxi_deluxe.html :-)
Jan 14 18:24:33 <tordo> Digital_Pioneer: you could make it check the time on resume and mute before it starts ringing maybe?
Jan 14 18:25:51 <Digital_Pioneer> tordo: Yeah... But not with a cron job I don't think. And I've never written any real-world apps except some hackish scripts. :P
Jan 14 18:26:12 <Digital_Pioneer> (Well, I wrote a simple CLI phone-book app in C++ once, but that's about it)
Jan 14 18:26:33 <Digital_Pioneer> Can the hwclock have multiple interrupt times set?
Jan 14 18:26:52 <tordo> Digital_Pioneer: well, i reckon you could do this with scripting mostly.. I guess there's some script that's run on resume?
Jan 14 18:27:22 <tordo> but i got to go now
Jan 14 18:27:23 <tordo> bb
Jan 14 18:27:25 <Digital_Pioneer> If not, I think someone should write a program to manage a queue of wakeups for it. I would if I could... No idea where to start. :(
Jan 14 18:27:39 <alphaone> mirko: Well, the SIM isn't detected by the modem
Jan 14 18:27:43 <morphis> heyho
Jan 14 18:27:49 <alphaone> at least according to the log you gave me
Jan 14 18:27:58 <alphaone> Did that ever work?
Jan 14 18:28:15 <mirko> alphaone: i never tried ^^ - will download a default image now
Jan 14 18:28:21 <mirko> and try to flash
Jan 14 18:28:29 <mirko> ehrm
Jan 14 18:28:38 <mirko> flash and try to register my sim
Jan 14 18:28:42 <alphaone> okay
Jan 14 18:30:51 <Digital_Pioneer> mirko: Is your phone not recognizing your SIM?
Jan 14 18:39:42 <dcordes> mrmoku: nice
Jan 14 18:45:25 <mirko> Digital_Pioneer: seems so, yeah
Jan 14 18:45:48 <Digital_Pioneer> mirko: Have you tried flashing a new firmware to the modem?
Jan 14 18:45:52 <Digital_Pioneer> That fixed mine.
Jan 14 18:47:19 <mirko> Digital_Pioneer: good to know. But I never used the GSM-stuff before, so I should try it first with the default openmoko-image
Jan 14 18:47:51 <PaulFertser> mirko: default openmoko-image?
Jan 14 18:48:06 <PaulFertser> mirko: for flashing GSM fso-console is recommended.
Jan 14 18:48:07 <Digital_Pioneer> mirko: Flashing a distro won't upgrade your modem.
Jan 14 18:48:41 <PaulFertser> Also you can use Debian or any other distro you trust.
Jan 14 18:48:45 <mirko> Digital_Pioneer:i know, but it's more likely the fault is on my custom-image-side
Jan 14 18:49:12 <PaulFertser> mirko: Is your SIM of modern 3G-type?
Jan 14 18:49:17 <mirko> PaulFertser: is there no image where i have to (even crappy) gui to just test the gsm stuff?
Jan 14 18:49:22 <mirko> PaulFertser: yep
Jan 14 18:49:30 <mirko> it's "UMTS" written on which is 3g
Jan 14 18:50:17 <PaulFertser> mirko: flash fso-console then, you can try to check that it's not registering with mdbus (i wouldn't waste time), after that flash GSM firmware.
Jan 14 18:51:10 <mirko> PaulFertser: ok, will try it out
Jan 14 18:52:54 <PaulFertser> mirko: mdbus is console stuff and require you to know how to use FSO, so it's not quite what you asked for. I see absolutely no reason to not flash your modem, especially when you have 3G card (and probably will have some more in the future).
Jan 14 18:53:58 <mirko> is somewhere written how to do that and can i do break sth.?
Jan 14 18:56:07 <PaulFertser> mirko: GSM/Flashing on the wiki. If you don't "really mess" with fluid (flashing program) chances of breackage are negligeble.
Jan 14 19:00:47 <mirko> PaulFertser: ;) ok
Jan 14 19:01:07 <mirko> PaulFertser: Digital_Pioneer: alphaone|gone: Thanks a lot - will report :)
Jan 14 19:09:02 <Ainulindale> (I think basic knowledge of FSO is mandatory when you build software on top of it though)
Jan 14 19:15:40 <eolson> Ainulindale, on shr-unstable, contacts gives this error and closes: 
Jan 14 19:15:40 <eolson> ** (process:1041): DEBUG: ogsmd_sim_retrieve_phonebook_callback()
Jan 14 19:15:40 <eolson> Failed to handle dbus error: type: <class 'framework.resource.ResourceNotEnabled'>
Jan 14 19:15:40 <eolson> , 71 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32
Jan 14 19:17:34 <Ainulindale> eolson: ophonekitd crashed
Jan 14 19:20:33 <DocScrutinizer2> mirko: please read the flashingGSM wiki page carefully, also discussion/talk tab. Don't mess with FLUID and use the recommended FSO-console image for OS. Then please report on your experience and result on "flashing/talk" so Dieter and I can improve our recommendations. Thanks a lot
Jan 14 19:23:35 <DocScrutinizer2> mirko: also read bugtracker ticket #666
Jan 14 19:27:46 <eolson> Ainulindale, thanks, I'm looking into it -- I have to do real work, so I might not get to it til later tonight
Jan 14 19:27:54 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer2: are you aware of any completely unsuccessful attempts? I might be mistaken but i see no reason to be _that_ careful and knowledgable to perform flashing. Why should anyone flash a distro just to flash GSM? It's just a matter of making sure nothing that can access modem or suddenly utilize CPU is running, should be easy on every distro. Am i missing something?
Jan 14 19:31:03 <mwester> PaulFertser:  My evaluation of the situation is that Werner (like Andy) is unfamiliar with any of the current (real) distros for the phone - they do not use any of the user-space software the rest of the world does.  So rather than build a simple script that would kill off all interfering processes and adding a few necessary dependencies, they chose to re-invent an entire new distro to do that simple job.
Jan 14 19:31:31 <mwester> I've done it with FSO, just to prove that you have no need of a special distro to do it.
Jan 14 19:31:33 <DocScrutinizer2> PaulFertser: no, 0 brick reports up til now. And yes, basically you're right. But there have been quite a few difficult cases for "support" to get people out of what they *thought* was a bricked calypso. So with my OM hat on I prefer to give very clear instructions
Jan 14 19:31:37 <PaulFertser> mwester: why should anyone need as script to do that anyway?
Jan 14 19:32:15 <mwester> PaulFertser:  because a lot of the people doing it have no idea what the output of "ps" means, or what why gpsd is different from gsmd... :)
Jan 14 19:33:30 <Kensan> Evening
Jan 14 19:33:44 <DocScrutinizer2> Kensan: moo
Jan 14 19:33:47 <mwester> greetings
Jan 14 19:33:59 <Kensan> DocScrutinizer2: are you well again?
Jan 14 19:34:01 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer2: oh, support. Yes, it's tough, i'm already seeing it. So many questions that may seem obvious to you are not as easy for end-user. OTOH if you scare the user too much, he'll probably do all kinds of nonsense until finally flash GSM ;)
Jan 14 19:34:56 <PaulFertser> Kensan: :)
Jan 14 19:35:46 <Kensan> PaulFertser: hi there. Saw your pty buffering made it in. nice work.
Jan 14 19:35:47 <DocScrutinizer2> Kensan: yesterday I thought so, today I'm feeling terribly tired. Probably will need a few more days to recover completely
Jan 14 19:36:11 <Kensan> DocScrutinizer2: hm okay. Well at least you feel "better" ;)
Jan 14 19:36:50 <eolson> Ainulindale, I at least found the ophonekitd crash output:
Jan 14 19:36:50 <eolson> ** (process:974): DEBUG: window_view_hide()
Jan 14 19:36:50 <eolson> ophonekitd: view/dialog-view.c:17: dialog_view_show: Assertion `data->type != ((void *)0)' failed.
Jan 14 19:37:14 <PaulFertser> Kensan: not that nice, actually, but it works. I'm looking to move flushing from watchdog to glib io callback, but was too busy/tired/lazy...
Jan 14 19:37:39 <DocScrutinizer2> PaulFertser: we already reduced "scarines" of the warnings in wiki. But we don't want to deal with a lot of different situations due to different distros used while flashing
Jan 14 19:38:09 <Kensan> PaulFertser: well I was not commenting the technical part since I didn't actually look at the patches. I was commenting at your effort/work :)
Jan 14 19:38:51 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer2: i understand... Anyway, get well soon and have fun while you're still at home :)
Jan 14 19:39:29 <DocScrutinizer2> mwester: the goal is still to provide a sdcard image to contain a complete system to do gsmflashing. this isn't "reinventing the wheel"
Jan 14 19:42:29 <DocScrutinizer2> mwester: we get reports about gsmflashing suddenly aborting halfway. it's not that easy to figure out which reason this is for, on an arbitrary distro
Jan 14 19:42:37 <mwester> DocScrutinizer2:  I can't say how much time it took for Werner to build that system, but in watching the conversation on the lists, everything he was asking about/for is already done in any of the OE distros: om2008.x, FSO, SHR, etc.   :)  THAT's reinventing the wheel.
Jan 14 19:43:19 <mwester> Creating a variation of FSO or 2008 that goes on an SD card with fluid pre-installed would take about 10 minutes -- I know because I did *EXACTLY* that.
Jan 14 19:43:47 <DocScrutinizer2> nah, he just cherrypicked tools for a service-distro. So nothing was invented there
Jan 14 19:43:52 <mwester> But perhaps the week of email traffic as Werner tried to build that image only represented 9 minutes of real effort ;)
Jan 14 19:44:19 <mwester> DocScrutinizer2: once again you re-define concepts to suit your argument.  Nowhere did I say that anyone wrote code.
Jan 14 19:44:34 <DocScrutinizer2> exactly. maybe 15min
Jan 14 19:44:39 <mwester> The act of cherrypicking was re-inventing, as others have already done that.
Jan 14 19:44:51 <mwester> But whatever -- to make you happy, I retract ALL my statements.  Ok?
Jan 14 19:44:55 <mwester> later.
Jan 14 19:45:24 <DocScrutinizer2> nah, nevermind. I have no emotions wrt that
Jan 14 19:45:49 <DocScrutinizer2> actually I also wondered what Werned actually did
Jan 14 19:48:07 <Kensan> Well for one thing I think Werner got an impression of what "Userspace" has to deal with *heh*
Jan 14 19:49:49 <DocScrutinizer2> :-)
Jan 14 20:01:56 <DocScrutinizer2> I'd guess the goal for that "reinvented" service-distro is to keep it small and lean. This inplies there will be no background processes running inadvertedly to scan whole sd for musicfiles e.g.  So the actual gsmflashing is more easy then. And the sd-image to download isn't bloated. To deal with all possible interferers on a couple of arbitrary distros via "kill" etc in a script is virtually impossible
Jan 14 20:05:33 <mwester> Yeah.  Check out fso-nox-image.bb for the file that does exactly that.
Jan 14 20:05:43 * mwester shrugs
Jan 14 20:05:49 <mwester> whatever.
Jan 14 20:06:56 <DocScrutinizer2> mwester: ok
Jan 14 20:21:36 <dos1> hmm... is opimd supposed to work in fso master now with deleted "disable = 1" in frameworkd.conf?
Jan 14 20:23:14 <Ainulindale> edgar83: that's a known stupid problem
Jan 14 20:23:19 <Ainulindale> sorry, eolson 
Jan 14 20:30:13 <mrmoku> quickdev: hey, how are you?
Jan 14 20:30:42 <quickdev> mrmoku, fine..but quite busy with school these days. and how're you?
Jan 14 20:31:09 <mrmoku> fine... so far. struggling with openssl-native ;)
Jan 14 20:31:20 <mrmoku> quickdev: btw. you made my day yesterday ;)
Jan 14 20:31:37 <quickdev> I made your day?
Jan 14 20:31:54 <mrmoku> people were complaining about not being able to build testing...
Jan 14 20:32:18 <mrmoku> I found out that you set a not existing srcrev for libframeworkd-phonegui 
Jan 14 20:33:27 <mw|> that was the source of that problem
Jan 14 20:33:28 <mw|> I
Jan 14 20:33:36 <mw|> i've seen some traffic on the ML about it
Jan 14 20:33:42 <mrmoku> hehe, yep
Jan 14 20:33:46 <mw|> quatrox got stuck on that
Jan 14 20:33:54 <mw|> sent out an email about it beeing fixed now?
Jan 14 20:34:11 <mrmoku> yep. and excused ourselves
Jan 14 20:34:35 <mrmoku> and more importantly... fixed the rev :-)
Jan 14 20:34:40 <morphis|away> stefan_sc: you got my mail?
Jan 14 20:35:27 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: what do we do if raster is on the beach for the rest of the week ;) ?
Jan 14 20:36:01 <mw|> hope for a postcard?
Jan 14 20:36:15 <morphis|away> stefan_sc: otherwise I back in about 20-25 minutes
Jan 14 20:38:19 <stefan_schmidt> morphis|away: got, need some food, then I have time for my mails
Jan 14 20:39:15 <mrmoku> mw|: would be nice... but a working EFL_SRCREV would be even better :-)
Jan 14 20:40:16 <mw|> EFL is broken at the moment?
Jan 14 20:41:22 <mw|> (which package? build-error?)
Jan 14 20:42:19 <mrmoku> mw|: the messages app is segfaulting somewhere inside eina when pressing the new button
Jan 14 20:42:39 <mrmoku> the app did not change though
Jan 14 20:42:52 <mw|> hmmm
Jan 14 20:43:03 <mw|> I need to finish off my testing-app
Jan 14 20:43:24 <soken> mrmoku, having troubles compiling ssl-native?
Jan 14 20:43:30 <mrmoku> apart from that e itself is segfaulting when taping certain non-ascii chars like the euro sign
Jan 14 20:43:33 <mrmoku> soken: yep
Jan 14 20:43:47 <mrmoku> soken: have some solution?
Jan 14 20:43:48 <mw|> would make it easier to bugtrack such things (I want to make a dummy frameworkd that you can run on host, so that you can run all the apps at host and use tools like valgrind)
Jan 14 20:43:55 <soken> mrmoku, check the ml
Jan 14 20:44:19 <soken> I might have been a bit unclear there, in that case ask :)
Jan 14 20:44:30 <mw|> so far I have only made ousaged and started on ogpsd.device
Jan 14 20:45:41 <mrmoku> soken: which message do you refer to?
Jan 14 20:46:32 <mrmoku> the one you forgot to cc the list?
Jan 14 20:46:56 <mrmoku> uhh.. duuh. did not read that carefully enough :-)
Jan 14 20:47:37 <eolson> Ainulindale, no problem, i had  shr on there already (unupdated).  and now that you pointed me at ophonekitd -- I have a place to start debugging when I get some free time.
Jan 14 20:49:22 <soken> mrmoku, yep that one :) it's a bit hackish of a solution though...
Jan 14 20:51:13 <mrmoku> soken: i suggested that to zecke in #oe right now... 
Jan 14 20:51:28 <mrmoku> lets see what he thinks :)
Jan 14 20:51:59 <quickdev> mrmoku, sorry if that was my fault :)
Jan 14 20:52:20 <Hire> arrrh
Jan 14 20:52:22 <mrmoku> quickdev: git blame told me so ;) but nevermind... found and fixed :-)
Jan 14 20:52:35 <Hire> shame on you
Jan 14 20:53:00 <Hire> now ainulindale is amused because only him can screws up SHR
Jan 14 20:58:00 <soken> which kernel modules need to be loaded on the fr to have usb networking?
Jan 14 20:59:02 <mrmoku> soken: g_ether
Jan 14 20:59:23 <kdean06> Anyone wanna blow my mind with a great flash image for the Neo1973? It's been a while since I've done anything with it.
Jan 14 21:02:03 <soken> mrmoku, didn't do the trick, but thanks anyways :)
Jan 14 21:02:27 <mrmoku> soken: missing usb networking? you have to do ifdown usb0; ifup usb0 after loading the module
Jan 14 21:02:49 <soken> aha, I'll try :)
Jan 14 21:03:18 <morphis|away> stefan_sc: so, I am back
Jan 14 21:11:31 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r27e6e2dfe3c8 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (factory.py gpschannel.py): ogpsd: add support for debugging via UDP
Jan 14 21:11:37 <mw|> *Bah* I need a new faster computer soon :-p just spamed the ML because evolution laaaaaged so bad :-p
Jan 14 21:12:27 <Ainulindale> eolson: wrt to ophonekitd
Jan 14 21:12:32 <Ainulindale> this issue is an assert in libframeworkd-phonegui-efl
Jan 14 21:12:38 <Ainulindale> it comes up if your SIM is full
Jan 14 21:12:51 <Ainulindale> and unfortunately somewhere the type of the message is wrong
Jan 14 21:12:55 <Ainulindale> and anyway, this assert is wrong
Jan 14 21:13:23 <Ainulindale> quickdev: please fix this bug :-)
Jan 14 21:14:43 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I though it was already fixed
Jan 14 21:15:32 <Ainulindale> well here it isn't
Jan 14 21:15:34 <Ainulindale> anyway
Jan 14 21:15:36 <Ainulindale> I'm exhausted
Jan 14 21:15:38 <Ainulindale> I'm going to sleep
Jan 14 21:15:45 <Ainulindale> See you tomorrow at 7h-7h30
Jan 14 21:16:10 <quickdev> Ainulindale, fixed.
Jan 14 21:16:27 <quickdev> see git :)
Jan 14 21:16:50 <Ainulindale> It isn't
Jan 14 21:16:51 <Ainulindale> I tell you
Jan 14 21:16:55 <Ainulindale> I'm using latest and I have it
Jan 14 21:17:01 <quickdev> http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr.git;a=blobdiff;f=libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/src/view/dialog-view.c;h=7bf621bc3d44b193949b4f254d35d49b95186688;hp=a5207b238587bf793737f48066cd22e2ee7660fe;hb=f6e736e4d57029598ec3a9f996589e56f540ba96;hpb=2e4ba68532091cbadbb032ed7103adbb631b15bc
Jan 14 21:17:06 <quickdev> Ainulindale, I just fixed it 10 secs ago
Jan 14 21:17:14 <Ainulindale> Ah ok :-)
Jan 14 21:17:20 <Ainulindale> Nice then please regenerate it
Jan 14 21:17:24 <Ainulindale> Meanwhile good night :-)
Jan 14 21:17:37 <quickdev> good night :)
Jan 14 21:18:04 <quickdev> Ainulindale, one last question
Jan 14 21:18:05 <quickdev> still here?
Jan 14 21:18:33 <mrmoku> hehe disappeared fast today :-)
Jan 14 21:18:58 <quickdev> let's leave him at least his sleep :)
Jan 14 21:19:11 <mrmoku> quickdev: yep
Jan 14 21:19:28 <stefan_schmidt> morphis|away: Mail or irc?
Jan 14 21:19:48 <morphis|away> irc
Jan 14 21:20:57 <stefan_schmidt> morphis|away: I use the following after having the kernel on the device and logged in via haretconsole
Jan 14 21:21:09 <stefan_schmidt> set kernel sd-test
Jan 14 21:21:09 <stefan_schmidt> set mtype 1772
Jan 14 21:21:09 <stefan_schmidt> set cmdline "root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=5 ro"
Jan 14 21:21:16 <stefan_schmidt> And bootlinux of course
Jan 14 21:21:27 <morphis|away> ok, I used boot
Jan 14 21:21:48 <morphis|away> you have only one partition on your sd card?
Jan 14 21:21:52 <yoyo> I have log of crash ogsmd after ~12 h of work without reason
Jan 14 21:22:06 <stefan_schmidt> yeah, seems so :)
Jan 14 21:22:15 <dos1> hmm
Jan 14 21:22:20 <morphis|away> stefan_sc: ok, I will try
Jan 14 21:22:20 <dos1> http://www.nabble.com/Help!%22LCP-Terminated-by-Peer%22-error-with-Linux-phone,-a-Linux-Redhat9.0-and-GPRS-td19138681.html
Jan 14 21:22:39 <dos1> how do you think - is this page enought to say, that motorola u9 can work as gprs modem?
Jan 14 21:22:54 <dos1> i only found something about it there...
Jan 14 21:23:25 <stefan_schmidt> morphis|away: cool
Jan 14 21:23:29 <dos1> it's linux based phone, so they could only develop what they needed - using as MTP device
Jan 14 21:23:47 <dos1> which is default
Jan 14 21:24:23 <stefan_schmidt> morphis|away: btw, from where did you get this machine id?
Jan 14 21:24:54 <morphis|away> I looked in arch/arm/tools/mach-type
Jan 14 21:25:14 <morphis|away> maybe I got the wrong type
Jan 14 21:25:26 <morphis|away> I searched for s3c244* 
Jan 14 21:26:26 <morphis|away> ok, now he hangs on "Jumping to kernel..."
Jan 14 21:26:52 <stefan_schmidt> wait a moment longer
Jan 14 21:27:01 <stefan_schmidt> Sometimes it needs some more seconds here.
Jan 14 21:27:04 <stefan_schmidt> m800            MACH_M800       M800            1772
Jan 14 21:27:13 <morphis|away> stefan_sc: ok :) 
Jan 14 21:27:45 <morphis|away> btw. there is an bug in the kernel-build script when not building from master branch
Jan 14 21:28:02 <stefan_schmidt> hu
Jan 14 21:28:07 <morphis|away> then it will get some wrong name for the current branch with a ) in
Jan 14 21:28:08 <stefan_schmidt> which kernel build script?
Jan 14 21:28:14 <morphis|away> build
Jan 14 21:28:43 <stefan_schmidt> Ah, that is Andy's stuff. never used it
Jan 14 21:28:56 <morphis|away> I will send him a mail
Jan 14 21:29:01 <stefan_schmidt> cool
Jan 14 21:29:02 <stefan_schmidt> make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/home/stefan/Projekte/OpenEmbedded/build/openmoko/tmp/cross/armv4t/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-
Jan 14 21:29:19 <strahl> good evening :) I am trying to compile qwo and can't figure out how to install the needed imlib2 - does anyone know an URL which I can use with "opkg-target install ..." ?
Jan 14 21:29:20 <stefan_schmidt> That's all I do with the last argument being menuconfig or zImage
Jan 14 21:29:42 <morphis|away> hm
Jan 14 21:31:03 <morphis|away> so, now he hangs fore more than 5min
Jan 14 21:31:23 <stefan_schmidt> ok, b0rked then
Jan 14 21:31:31 <stefan_schmidt> everything > 15s is bad
Jan 14 21:32:10 <morphis|away> hm
Jan 14 21:32:20 * stefan_schmidt thinks about tracking his snowboarding cruses tomorrow with his neo. Has OSM something for this?
Jan 14 21:32:41 <stefan_schmidt> alphaone: GPS logging for the snow board cruses?
Jan 14 21:33:01 <alphaone> stefan_schmidt: You got it
Jan 14 21:33:02 <alphaone> :-)
Jan 14 21:33:08 <stefan_schmidt> alphaone: :)
Jan 14 21:33:28 <stefan_schmidt> Anybody a suggestion for a A2DP snowboard helmet audio system?
Jan 14 21:33:44 <stefan_schmidt> I only found this http://www.rei.com/product/759191?cm_mmc=cse_shopping-_-datafeed-_-product-_-759191&mr:referralID=1b9767fb-e27b-11dd-9f5b-000423c27407
Jan 14 21:33:59 <stefan_schmidt> Which is cable for audio and headset profile for calls
Jan 14 21:34:03 <lindi-> stefan_schmidt: you wouldn't happen to have time to work on the audio recording bug #2073?
Jan 14 21:34:48 <stefan_schmidt> lindi-: No, sorry. We need to poke the OM kernel team more to fix the bugs.
Jan 14 21:35:16 <lindi-> was thinking about experimenting with push-to-talk over gprs
Jan 14 21:35:26 <lindi-> but this one makes it tricky
Jan 14 21:35:42 <stefan_schmidt> lindi-: hmm, for what would you use it? I never found it interesting
Jan 14 21:35:58 <stefan_schmidt> 2079 or 2080 is also bad
Jan 14 21:36:03 <stefan_schmidt> oops on recording
Jan 14 21:36:15 <lindi-> stefan_schmidt: if you have a team of 10 people and you want to send everyone a short message
Jan 14 21:36:30 <lindi-> stefan_schmidt: it does not cost anything since i have flatrate gprs
Jan 14 21:36:32 <stefan_schmidt> And that when we got the infos from Harald how to inject PCM into a gsm call or record it.
Jan 14 21:37:04 <stefan_schmidt> lindi-: hmm, I'm not a use case then. I hate SMS :)
Jan 14 21:38:33 <lindi-> push-to-talk has its applications surely, police/fireman/medics use it all the time
Jan 14 21:39:20 <lindi-> stefan_schmidt: plus we could do encryption making it superior to gsm
Jan 14 21:39:25 * mrmoku thinks about making a video of stefan_schmidt while snowboarding and hugging a tree, because he's staring at his Neo ;)
Jan 14 21:39:50 <stefan_schmidt> mrmoku: I will mount it on the helmet ;)
Jan 14 21:39:57 <mrmoku> hehe
Jan 14 21:40:16 <morphis|away> stefan_sc: it works
Jan 14 21:40:19 <stefan_schmidt> lindi-: sounds not to bad, but not really my favorite area of research
Jan 14 21:40:23 <stefan_schmidt> morphis|away: cool
Jan 14 21:40:39 <morphis|away> stefan_sc: but now I hangs with the message "No init found"
Jan 14 21:41:13 <stefan_schmidt> morphis|away: What image?
Jan 14 21:41:28 <morphis|away> fso-image
Jan 14 21:41:37 <stefan_schmidt> morphis|away: recent OE builds have a regression with busybox not making a symlink for init
Jan 14 21:41:54 <morphis|away> ok
Jan 14 21:42:04 <stefan_schmidt> morphis|away: Try the tar.gz for GTA02 from MS4.1 should work
Jan 14 21:42:49 <morphis> hm, after I did a hard reset
Jan 14 21:42:52 <stefan_schmidt> mrmoku: Ah, you can ask about alphaone about head mounted displays if you have time...
Jan 14 21:43:04 <morphis> I want to restart the phone and the frond led flicker
Jan 14 21:43:18 <morphis> stefan_sc: do you know what it means?
Jan 14 21:43:45 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: no idea
Jan 14 21:44:03 <morphis> hm
Jan 14 21:44:10 <mrmoku> stefan_schmidt: is it permitted to use something like that in car also? or on the bike?
Jan 14 21:44:22 <stefan_schmidt> mrmoku: no idea
Jan 14 21:44:39 <stefan_schmidt> mrmoku: I don't like running around like a gargoyle ;)
Jan 14 21:47:32 <morphis> stefan_sc: the fiish has a "case not closed" detection, thats the cause for the flickering :)  
Jan 14 21:51:38 <stefan_schmidt> ah
Jan 14 21:51:52 <stefan_schmidt> yeah, they have this stupid detection pin
Jan 14 21:52:29 <morphis> jap
Jan 14 21:53:39 <morphis> so next try
Jan 14 21:54:10 <morphis> stefan_sc: it works
Jan 14 21:55:01 <morphis> x is starting
Jan 14 21:55:24 <morphis> the mouse pointer is shown
Jan 14 21:55:48 <morphis> stefan_sc: can use ssh now like on the fr?
Jan 14 21:56:15 <morphis> enlightenment is loading
Jan 14 21:56:17 <morphis> great
Jan 14 21:58:21 <stefan_schmidt> yay
Jan 14 21:58:31 <stefan_schmidt> yes, ssh works the same
Jan 14 21:58:40 <morphis> ok
Jan 14 21:59:07 <morphis> hm, on my laptop I have many error when connecting the phone over usb
Jan 14 21:59:10 <morphis> usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 19
Jan 14 21:59:11 <morphis> usb 4-1: device not accepting address 19, error -71
Jan 14 21:59:13 <morphis> hub 4-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
Jan 14 21:59:17 <morphis> like this
Jan 14 22:01:36 <mw|> morphis: reboot helps for me
Jan 14 22:02:14 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: I sthe usb gadget driver build in?
Jan 14 22:02:14 <zem_> hoi 
Jan 14 22:02:33 <stefan_schmidt> morphis: You have an image that may not have the right modules...
Jan 14 22:02:35 <mw|> (morphis: there were a bunch of fixes for the cdc driver used by openmoko etc. during 2.6.17 I think it was)
Jan 14 22:02:43 <morphis> mwl: I currently trying
Jan 14 22:02:57 <fgau> muuuah, reboot like my win95
Jan 14 22:03:04 <mw|> when I got those, they were like stuck there until reboot
Jan 14 22:03:13 <mw|> happen to me twice I think
Jan 14 22:03:16 <morphis> stefan_sc: I used the ms4.1 image
Jan 14 22:03:19 <stefan_schmidt> mw|: The gnuffish tree is based on andy-tracking. Should have all the needed fixes. Works for me.
Jan 14 22:03:34 <mw|> I was more thinking of the host side, the pc
Jan 14 22:03:52 <stefan_schmidt> mw|: Ah, heh. :)
Jan 14 22:03:59 <morphis> ah 
Jan 14 22:04:09 <mw|> and with even older kernel on the host, I lost connection like every 10 minutes
Jan 14 22:04:19 <morphis> ok now I have an usb0 interface
Jan 14 22:04:43 <mw|> anybody got experience with python and setup.py
Jan 14 22:04:50 <mw|> how do you make it more verbose
Jan 14 22:05:14 <mw|> I want to know which gcc flags it uses.. I just see the output from gcc, and not the commands themselfs
Jan 14 22:05:40 <morphis> mwl: --verbose (-v)
Jan 14 22:05:49 <zem_> morphis: vcard to sim script is done and published 
Jan 14 22:06:10 <morphis> zem_: hm?
Jan 14 22:06:26 <morphis> zem_: you probably mean mrmoko?
Jan 14 22:06:42 <zem_> morphis: oh, sorry yes of course 
Jan 14 22:06:59 <morphis> zem_: :)
Jan 14 22:08:47 <morphis> stefan_sc, mwl: you even have many graphical bugs?
Jan 14 22:12:13 <mw|> morphis: no help... got help from a friend, to export DISTUTILS_DEBUG=foo
Jan 14 22:12:26 <mw|> GUI bugs? nope?
Jan 14 22:12:31 <morphis> hm
Jan 14 22:12:38 <mw|> haven't touch my moko much in the last months though :-(
Jan 14 22:12:53 <mw|> been busy with painting my appartment and stugg
Jan 14 22:12:55 <mw|> stuff
Jan 14 22:13:02 <mw|> that work never ends :-(
Jan 14 22:13:44 <morphis> mwl: oh, I thought you have a gnufiish too after you answered one of my questions ... sorry :)
Jan 14 22:15:07 <morphis> stefan_sc: tommorrow I will write all the stuff into the wiki so everyone else has a easy start
Jan 14 22:17:30 <morphis> so I will go to bed ... gn8
Jan 14 22:30:25 <tifereth> hi i've got an segmentation fault while building glibc in shr
Jan 14 22:30:27 <tifereth> http://rafb.net/p/Euq8d436.html
Jan 14 22:30:35 <tifereth> anyone knows whats wrong there
Jan 14 22:55:21 <mw|> ***** stupid thingy, found out the actualy issue that causes python-etk to fail to compile
Jan 14 22:55:35 <mw|> now I just need to find out why it gets like this
Jan 14 22:55:52 <mw|> (IE, why recompiling evas changes the .pc file)
Jan 14 23:00:55 <mw|> the source of the bug is a "caching feature of pkg-config"
Jan 14 23:01:11 <mw|> it optimizes aways paths that normally gcc knows of
Jan 14 23:02:10 <stefan_schmidt> A bird told me that the SHR guys have a fix for numptyphysics that is not in OE and make it start again?
Jan 14 23:02:18 <stefan_schmidt> wb mickeyl 
Jan 14 23:02:24 <mickeyl> hi
Jan 14 23:02:49 <mickeyl> stefan_schmidt: do you have a debug log for one of the races? 
Jan 14 23:02:54 <lindi-> stefan_schmidt: start again after what?
Jan 14 23:02:59 <mickeyl> [sound does not stop on short call]
Jan 14 23:03:11 <lindi-> stefan_schmidt: i sent some numpty physics emails to upstream
Jan 14 23:03:18 <stefan_schmidt> lindi-: Start instead of showing a white screen
Jan 14 23:03:23 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: nope
Jan 14 23:03:34 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: Does we have one in trac?
Jan 14 23:03:58 <stefan_schmidt> lindi-: Anything special that you have in SHR which we do not have in OE?
Jan 14 23:04:19 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: Been rather busy with python lately :)
Jan 14 23:04:46 * stefan_schmidt hopes python 2.6 will bring no breakage for the MS5 build. We have enough already. :)
Jan 14 23:05:23 <mickeyl> 2.6 won't be a problem
Jan 14 23:05:45 <mickeyl> at least not for fso
Jan 14 23:05:55 <mickeyl> i'm running it here for quite a while
Jan 14 23:06:06 <stefan_schmidt> phew, good
Jan 14 23:08:57 <mickeyl> ok, next time you have the problem, please upload a debug log. i'm really trying to tacklet this for ms5, but have a hard time reproducing it here
Jan 14 23:09:05 <mickeyl> s/tacklet/tackle/
Jan 14 23:09:06 <bzzbot> mickeyl meant: ok, next time you have the problem, please upload a debug log. i'm really trying to tackle this for ms5, but have a hard time reproducing it here
Jan 14 23:13:10 <mickeyl> aaha
Jan 14 23:13:11 <mickeyl> here we go
Jan 14 23:13:15 <mickeyl> i was able to do it
Jan 14 23:14:18 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: ok, noted
Jan 14 23:14:26 * mickeyl uploads to bugtracker
Jan 14 23:14:26 <stefan_schmidt> heh
Jan 14 23:14:38 <stefan_schmidt> Should read the complete backlog before answering
Jan 14 23:14:47 <stefan_schmidt> yo raster
Jan 14 23:17:52 <budfive> Question about building shr. I'd like to build a custom version of a single .ipk. Is there a way to build only that ipk instead of building everything, since that takes many hours? A related question, is how to I avoid re-building the toolchain, since I already have one installed on the host? The wiki doesn't address these questions. thanks
Jan 14 23:21:55 <raster> stefan_schmidt:  boo!
Jan 14 23:22:58 * stefan_schmidt is scared
Jan 14 23:24:24 <lindi-> stefan_schmidt: i don't use shr
Jan 14 23:24:39 <stefan_schmidt> lindi-: ah, ok then
Jan 14 23:37:01 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: Do we already have updated API docs for the GSM monitor interface?
Jan 14 23:37:11 <stefan_schmidt> Need to give a bit kickstart to interested people. :)
Jan 14 23:37:45 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: Seems not
Jan 14 23:37:54 <mickeyl> guess i should do that now, eh?
Jan 14 23:38:04 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: well I can also do it
Jan 14 23:38:19 <stefan_schmidt> Is it just running the script or also writing stuff up?
Jan 14 23:38:26 <mickeyl> it's writing :)
Jan 14 23:38:36 <mickeyl> i'll do it now. give me 10 minutes
Jan 14 23:38:39 <stefan_schmidt> That's bad
Jan 14 23:38:48 <stefan_schmidt> err, not the ten minutes of course
Jan 14 23:39:01 <stefan_schmidt> Is this fine for you? Can also wait until tomorrow
Jan 14 23:39:13 <mickeyl> np, it fits in now
Jan 14 23:39:22 <stefan_schmidt> cool
Jan 14 23:39:33 <stefan_schmidt> I write the rest of the mail until then
Jan 14 23:40:21 <mickeyl> hmmmm
Jan 14 23:40:26 * mickeyl has the strange sense of a dejavu
Jan 14 23:40:32 <mickeyl> i _did_ that already
Jan 14 23:40:39 <mickeyl> hmm
Jan 14 23:40:40 <mickeyl> but where's the files?
Jan 14 23:40:44 * mickeyl grabs the laptop
Jan 14 23:42:59 <mickeyl> aah
Jan 14 23:45:55 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * ra5e78f816a9d 10/ (html/index.html xml/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Monitor.xml): link otapi/monitoring and regen docs
Jan 14 23:46:22 <mickeyl> ok, here we are
Jan 14 23:46:29 <mickeyl> http://docs.freesmartphone.org/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Monitor.html
Jan 14 23:47:15 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rf564afa43a04 10/html/index.html: change order
Jan 14 23:50:08 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: thanks
Jan 14 23:50:42 <mickeyl> n
Jan 14 23:50:42 <mickeyl> p
Jan 15 00:00:31 <stefan_schmidt> night guys
Jan 15 00:02:18 <zem_> cu 
Jan 15 00:03:28 <mw|> *restarting make image from scratch and checks if the python-etk bug is gone*
Jan 15 00:10:12 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * reed1ef77b6aa 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/ogsmd/server.py): ogsmd: add auto-online mode for pdp connections
Jan 15 00:19:36 <yoyo> someone alive?
Jan 15 00:20:18 <tordo> depends on who you mean by someone
Jan 15 00:21:08 <yoyo> tordo: can you test for my somthing?
Jan 15 00:21:24 <tordo> sure
Jan 15 00:21:27 <yoyo> tordo: I use gta01 and on my device batget is not working
Jan 15 00:21:53 <yoyo> can you tellmy what return for you /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/battery/linux-gnueabi-arm/batget 32
Jan 15 00:23:04 <tordo> 66 6180 1 1
Jan 15 00:23:05 <tordo> 66 5640 1 1
Jan 15 00:23:07 <tordo> and so on
Jan 15 00:23:29 <yoyo> hyyy 66 - is % capacity 6180 is ??? hyy
Jan 15 00:23:32 <yoyo> 1 1 sax
Jan 15 00:23:35 <yoyo> ok :)
Jan 15 00:24:32 <tordo> could it be current power usage or something?
Jan 15 00:25:00 <yoyo> yyy value is to large I thing it can by a time left in sec ?
Jan 15 00:25:26 <yoyo> 1 h and ~45 min 
Jan 15 00:25:28 <yoyo> posible 
Jan 15 00:25:41 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r8209a6373963 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otapi: document fields in org.freesmartphone.GSM.Monitor.Get{Serving|Neighbour}CellInformation
Jan 15 00:25:48 <tordo> sounds right
Jan 15 00:26:19 <yoyo> ok testing ;)
Jan 15 00:28:45 <mirko> is this page (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing) actual for flashing the gsm-chip?
Jan 15 00:29:08 <yoyo> hyhy :) python replace batget :)
Jan 15 00:29:10 <yoyo> haha :)
Jan 15 00:29:20 <mirko> did it and everything went fine - i used "http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-moko10.m0" - is that the newest one?
Jan 15 00:30:05 <tordo> :D
Jan 15 00:30:06 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rcfde8b5d8c09 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: remove bogus corsslink
Jan 15 00:37:26 <yoyo> night
Jan 15 00:37:56 <raster> its capacity in %, time left in seconds, then umm.. i think "battery exist" and "charging"
Jan 15 00:37:59 <raster> or vice-versa
Jan 15 00:38:02 <raster> i'd need to check the code
Jan 15 00:38:17 <tordo> or i can just pull out the battery and run it again
Jan 15 00:38:29 <raster> why on earth u want to replace batget with python
Jan 15 00:38:30 <raster> beats me
Jan 15 00:38:50 <raster> replace a tiny lean binary with something big and fat
Jan 15 00:38:52 <tordo> which gave me -1 -1 0 0
Jan 15 00:39:12 <raster> yeah
Jan 15 00:39:14 <raster> no battery
Jan 15 00:39:16 <raster> -1 is an error
Jan 15 00:39:20 <tordo> and no charging
Jan 15 00:39:20 <tordo> :D
Jan 15 00:39:25 <raster> it doesnt have any idea of capacity or time left
Jan 15 00:39:26 <raster> :)
Jan 15 00:39:33 <raster> nothing is charging
Jan 15 00:39:37 <raster> and.. there is no battery
Jan 15 00:39:38 <raster> :)
Jan 15 00:39:52 <tordo> doesn't tell which is which though
Jan 15 00:40:03 <tordo> which was why i pulled it out, stupid me
Jan 15 00:40:23 <tordo> ok, the last one is charging
Jan 15 00:41:44 <raster> code will tell u
Jan 15 00:41:52 <raster> i just never have to read the output
Jan 15 00:41:56 <raster> as its just fed into more code
Jan 15 00:42:13 <tordo> hm
Jan 15 00:42:21 <AntonTakk1> raster, i fear i'm doing something wrong again, i have my elm window, containing an elm layout, with an edje group in it, then i create another elm layout, put a diferent edje group in it, and elm...content_set it in to a swallow part in the first edje, at which point it shrinks to an unusable size, unless i set a minimum size hint (that requires a very odd heght to maintain the apps size) and if i then swallow an elm_entry in to a swall
Jan 15 00:42:22 <AntonTakk1> ow part in the second edje, the app gets tiny again
Jan 15 00:42:33 <tordo> why are we still talking about this, the guy who wanted it left
Jan 15 00:43:19 <raster> AntonTakk1: did u set weight and align for the layout?
Jan 15 00:43:30 <AntonTakk1> ......
Jan 15 00:43:41 * AntonTakk1 looks at the elm include file
Jan 15 00:43:47 <raster>    evas_object_size_hint_weight_set(ly, 1.0, 1.0);
Jan 15 00:44:12 <AntonTakk1> on the second elm layout?
Jan 15 00:44:28 <tordo> what does those weight and align things do?
Jan 15 00:47:49 <AntonTakk1> that actually makes it segfault  :)
Jan 15 00:49:12 <AntonTakk1> ok, moved it after evas_object_size_hint_min_set and it no longer segfaults
Jan 15 00:49:22 <AntonTakk1> but it still gets exceedingly tiny
Jan 15 00:52:25 <raster> on the first
Jan 15 00:52:33 <raster> the one that is a resize obj for the win
Jan 15 00:52:47 <raster> btw
Jan 15 00:52:59 <raster> manually setting min size will have it overriden when elm recalcs it based on contents
Jan 15 00:53:03 <raster> so iuts mostly a useless gesture
Jan 15 00:53:04 <raster> :)
Jan 15 00:54:29 <AntonTakk1> not it just segfaults
Jan 15 00:54:31 <AntonTakk1> now*
Jan 15 00:54:44 <AntonTakk1> when it would otherwise create the seconf layout/etc
Jan 15 00:54:47 <raster> can't help you there
Jan 15 00:54:51 <raster> gdb backtrace needed
Jan 15 00:55:00 <raster> i have never tested putting a layout in a layout
Jan 15 00:55:02 <raster> tho it should work
Jan 15 00:56:20 <AntonTakk1> nope, nevermind
Jan 15 00:56:27 <AntonTakk1> i missed a compile somewhere
Jan 15 00:56:31 <AntonTakk1> :)
Jan 15 00:56:35 <raster> aaaah
Jan 15 01:00:03 <AntonTakk1> hey! and resizing the window works now too  :)
Jan 15 01:01:03 <raster> aha!
Jan 15 01:01:17 <raster> elementary is not very lenient when u do things wrong currently
Jan 15 01:01:25 <raster> it really assumes everything is done nicely
Jan 15 01:01:30 <raster> or should
Jan 15 01:01:35 <raster> of course it will have issues along the way
Jan 15 01:02:03 <AntonTakk1> probably doesn't help that other than this app, i have 0 experience with c and 0 with gui programming  :)
Jan 15 01:02:16 <tordo> raster: even i managed to make something with elementary
Jan 15 01:02:36 <tordo> and i'm a very lousy c-programmer
Jan 15 01:02:38 <tordo> kudos!
Jan 15 01:02:48 <tordo> and it looks nice too
Jan 15 01:06:16 <AntonTakk1> hrm
Jan 15 01:07:22 <AntonTakk1> I want to scale the elm_entry widget. kinda small, edje_scale_set?
Jan 15 01:07:29 <AntonTakk1> er
Jan 15 01:07:55 <AntonTakk1> doesn't take an edje object arg, so probably not  :)
Jan 15 01:09:11 <raster> did u run it on the freerunner?
Jan 15 01:09:17 <raster> dont think the entry will be that size on the target
Jan 15 01:09:46 <AntonTakk1> true
Jan 15 01:10:21 <AntonTakk1> just kinda judging from the relative sizes of everything else
Jan 15 01:10:22 <raster> as such scaling is indirectly controlled by e
Jan 15 01:10:25 <raster> e sets a property
Jan 15 01:10:32 <raster> http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Elementary
Jan 15 01:10:47 <raster> you can pretend u are on the freerunenr
Jan 15 01:10:52 <raster> and have everything become huge
Jan 15 01:10:57 <raster> export ELM_SCALE=2.0
Jan 15 01:11:19 <raster> (as such thats the effective scaling factor u get on the fr)
Jan 15 01:13:22 <AntonTakk1> ah, much better
Jan 15 01:14:03 <AntonTakk1> what about setting a limit on the number of chars the entry widget will accept? i see no function for that in elementary.h
Jan 15 01:14:16 <AntonTakk1> or do i just have to limit it with my app?
Jan 15 01:15:13 <AntonTakk1> hrm, if i exit my app with ctrl-c i get ecore_errors
Jan 15 01:15:17 <AntonTakk1> two of them
Jan 15 01:17:53 <raster> AntonTakk1:  no way to do that
Jan 15 01:20:04 <AntonTakk1> they go away when i comment out the elm_entry_add, just a side effect of not exiting properly?
Jan 15 01:29:21 <raster> depends on the errors
Jan 15 01:54:18 <AntonTakk1> ecore magic check failed in function ecore_event_handler_del input handle pointer is null
Jan 15 01:59:15 <raster> hmmm
Jan 15 01:59:18 <raster> i wonder what handler
Jan 15 01:59:26 <raster> i'd have to check
Jan 15 01:59:38 <AntonTakk1> anything i can do to help?
Jan 15 02:00:44 <DocScrutinizer2> mirko: (moko10) yes it's most recent one. What's about your UMTS card now?
Jan 15 02:01:07 <raster> not really without some env magic and gdb
Jan 15 02:01:08 <DocScrutinizer2> hi raster! :-)
Jan 15 02:04:24 <DocScrutinizer> mirko: please report on your experiance on wiki talk page!
Jan 15 02:04:46 <raster> DocScrutinizer: moooo!
Jan 15 02:05:05 <DocScrutinizer> mirko: so others may feel encouraged
Jan 15 02:05:18 <DocScrutinizer> raster:  :)))
Jan 15 02:06:55 <jhass840> Hey, are you guys aware that the Receiving SMS window never goes away?
Jan 15 02:07:53 <jhass840> wait, never mind.  I was just being stupid
Jan 15 02:09:32 <DocScrutinizer> raster: I learnt today not al chinese are always *that* polite. Maybe an overshot while trying to adopt western style ;-)
Jan 15 02:09:52 <raster> DocScrutinizer:  what happened?
Jan 15 02:10:54 <DocScrutinizer> Tim blamed me for being sick for 2 weeks and asking everybody to point me to urgent issues. I mustn't demad that from my colleagues :D
Jan 15 02:11:36 <raster> so if u were sick for 2 weeks
Jan 15 02:11:39 <raster> you cant ask
Jan 15 02:11:49 <raster> "anything urgent happen in the past 2 weeks i missed?"
Jan 15 02:11:57 <DocScrutinizer> I asked yesterday
Jan 15 02:12:35 <DocScrutinizer> yes, I mustn't do that. Presses bad feelings on my colleagues
Jan 15 02:12:47 <DocScrutinizer> I'm suggested to think about that
Jan 15 02:13:36 <DocScrutinizer> hmmmpf
Jan 15 02:13:41 <raster> etf?
Jan 15 02:13:43 <raster> wtf?
Jan 15 02:13:48 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Jan 15 02:14:02 <DocScrutinizer> wel, U know Tim
Jan 15 02:14:13 * raster makes strange facial expressions
Jan 15 02:14:18 <DocScrutinizer> probably he tried to wordd it the western way
Jan 15 02:14:27 <raster> other than not respond at all (if by email)
Jan 15 02:14:42 <raster> or respond with "no idea. check the mail backlog"
Jan 15 02:14:54 <raster> whihc is just to pass the buck back to you to spend a few days reading email you missed
Jan 15 02:15:04 <raster> (if its not in english of course you wont read it)
Jan 15 02:15:08 <raster> (thus miss it)
Jan 15 02:15:47 <DocScrutinizer> lol, I actualy adopted a habit to translate chinese email recently. No this one was in english
Jan 15 02:17:13 <DocScrutinizer> In the final analysis, that is their job!!
Jan 15 02:17:13 <DocScrutinizer> If you want to force them to do your job, that would be get bad feeling to them.
Jan 15 02:17:13 <DocScrutinizer> Please think about it.
Jan 15 02:18:52 <DocScrutinizer> still online?
Jan 15 02:19:49 <AntonTakk1> yep
Jan 15 02:19:55 <raster> yup
Jan 15 02:21:31 <AntonTakk1> does elm_list_horizontal_mode_set allow you to disable letf to right scrolling?
Jan 15 02:22:25 <raster> AntonTakk1: it has 3 modes
Jan 15 02:22:31 <raster> default is that is scrolls
Jan 15 02:22:37 <raster> u can limit and compress
Jan 15 02:22:56 <raster> limit means the scrolled view's min horizontal size is so that it fully holds all list items without scrolling
Jan 15 02:23:02 <raster> compress means it will compress the text
Jan 15 02:23:06 <raster> to "label ..."
Jan 15 02:23:10 <raster> to fit it in horizontally
Jan 15 02:23:20 <raster> (if label is 0 zise and u have icons then it may still scroll)
Jan 15 02:25:06 <AntonTakk1> with limit set does the bottom scroll bar go away? or is that only do-able with the elementary edje theme?
Jan 15 02:25:52 <AntonTakk1> by setting it invisible, or w/e
Jan 15 02:26:45 <AntonTakk1> i see nothing obvious in the elementary header file
Jan 15 02:28:15 <raster> yes
Jan 15 02:28:17 <raster> it will never be there
Jan 15 02:28:24 <raster> but the scrollable view may get wide
Jan 15 02:28:27 <raster> depends on contents
Jan 15 02:28:39 <AntonTakk1> just a contact list
Jan 15 02:28:58 <AntonTakk1> will compress remove it too? or just limit
Jan 15 02:29:42 <AntonTakk1> oh *theres* the list mode names  :)
Jan 15 02:29:51 <AntonTakk1> nvm, i'll trial and error it  :)
Jan 15 02:30:03 <raster> it will
Jan 15 02:30:10 <raster> EZCEPOT if icon(s) are wider than the view
Jan 15 02:30:16 <raster> EXCEPT
Jan 15 02:30:17 <raster> i mean
Jan 15 02:30:23 <raster> as long as icon(s) fit
Jan 15 02:30:31 <raster> (theres a left icon and an end icon widget)
Jan 15 02:30:34 <raster> then it wont scroll
Jan 15 02:30:42 <AntonTakk1> only planning on (maybe) having a small business card of sim card icon
Jan 15 02:30:43 <raster> the text label will compress and lose letters with ...
Jan 15 02:30:55 <raster> then compress may be the better option
Jan 15 02:34:02 <AntonTakk1> it's causing a segfault too
Jan 15 02:34:30 <AntonTakk1> have to be in any particular order?
Jan 15 02:38:01 <AntonTakk1> nvm, i got it
Jan 15 02:38:10 <raster> herhhrhrh
Jan 15 02:38:17 <AntonTakk1> still displays the horizontal scroll bar thou
Jan 15 02:38:20 <raster> i have a good list demo i did yesterday
Jan 15 02:38:26 <raster> i'll add ti to the wiki when i fix some things
Jan 15 02:38:32 <AntonTakk1> cool
Jan 15 02:38:53 * AntonTakk1 has been scavending docs.enlightenment.org/api lately
Jan 15 02:38:56 <raster> see list 3 example
Jan 15 02:39:14 <raster> especially scroll down to the end wherte i have a long label
Jan 15 02:39:19 <raster> and resize the window to be smaller
Jan 15 02:41:59 <AntonTakk1> what purpose does putting the icon in an elm_box_horizontal_set  do?
Jan 15 02:42:31 <AntonTakk1> er
Jan 15 02:42:34 <AntonTakk1> elm_box
Jan 15 02:42:42 <AntonTakk1> in list-3
Jan 15 02:49:49 <jhass840> I'll come help out with development soon, I just need to read K&R first
Jan 15 02:50:31 <raster> AntonTakk1:  i put 3 icons next to eachtoher
Jan 15 02:50:34 <raster> as "the icon widget"
Jan 15 02:50:46 <raster> scroll down to the line with "are"
Jan 15 02:50:55 <raster> it just demonstrates that u can pack multiple widgets in
Jan 15 02:50:58 <raster> even inside of a box
Jan 15 02:53:11 <AntonTakk1> it ok if i bounce a ui design idea off people in here?
Jan 15 02:53:18 <quatrox> PaulFertser: are you there?
Jan 15 02:55:59 <jhass840> I'm all ears
Jan 15 02:56:47 <AntonTakk1> ok, along the bottom of the today screen arw four buttons: Dialer, Calendar, Messages, Contacts
Jan 15 02:57:14 <AntonTakk1> the user touches contacts
Jan 15 02:57:54 <AntonTakk1> the contacts get displayed above the four buttons, and the buttons change to Call, Appointment, Message, Back
Jan 15 02:58:24 <jhass840> what distro is this for?
Jan 15 02:58:38 <AntonTakk1> none, just a phone ui app i'm working on
Jan 15 02:59:21 <AntonTakk1> going to add fso bindings to it after i get the basic layout for the ui done thou
Jan 15 02:59:32 <quatrox> AntonTakk1: that reminds me of iPhone
Jan 15 02:59:42 <AntonTakk1> really?
Jan 15 02:59:47 <jhass840> I guess the appointment button is to schedule an appointment with a contact?
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