**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 18 02:59:57 2009 Jan 18 07:55:07 raster: ping Jan 18 08:52:20 woho, 1 cm of snow today Jan 18 08:52:31 mw|: lucky you :-) Jan 18 08:53:38 lol newest shr-unstable doesn't have a working touchscreen driver Jan 18 08:56:02 gurugentoo: yep, though its OEs fault ;) Jan 18 08:56:20 tslib? Jan 18 08:56:37 what version would you consider stable atm? Jan 18 08:56:37 mdev Jan 18 08:56:55 SHR? Jan 18 08:57:00 yes Jan 18 08:57:02 so it's not creating the devices at all? Jan 18 08:57:06 device Jan 18 08:57:20 tmzt: names them quite differently :p Jan 18 08:57:38 yeah, is it using /dev/input/eventX now? Jan 18 08:57:47 gurugentoo: just wait for the next unstable image... Jan 18 08:58:03 I put a README in the download area telling not to use it Jan 18 08:58:11 if that disappears... take it :-) Jan 18 08:58:13 k Jan 18 08:59:01 maybe it should have been CURRENT_IMAGE_BORKED :-) Jan 18 08:59:26 ehi Jan 18 08:59:36 it is sunday and i am at work ! Jan 18 09:00:22 (suck) Jan 18 09:05:42 * mw| gives Hire a bear :-p Jan 18 09:06:00 a beer? Jan 18 09:06:16 it is sunday, who cares what you do at work? :-p Jan 18 09:06:20 beer I ment yes Jan 18 09:06:51 would have been fun with a bear thought *to early in the morning for me, this being a sunday* Jan 18 09:06:53 mw|: ehhh isn't so :/ Jan 18 09:07:03 * mrmoku knows Hire and is sure he still has a severy headache from last night ;) Jan 18 09:07:04 i have to manage some telecom servers ... Jan 18 09:07:11 -y+e Jan 18 09:07:24 even my GF's dog is still asleep Jan 18 09:07:28 * mrmoku starts to understand why telco in italia sucks :P Jan 18 09:07:36 mw|: sure I will play with him at poker Jan 18 09:07:45 mrmoku: indeed Jan 18 09:07:55 and no, yesterday I drunk but not so much :D Jan 18 09:08:08 "only" 1 L of super Jan 18 09:08:29 even your alfa drinks more... getting old Hire? Jan 18 09:08:35 the biggest question then is actuelly more... when did you stop to drink Jan 18 09:08:43 2200 2300 0500 ? Jan 18 09:08:59 mrmoku: :( Jan 18 09:09:26 my alfa drinks 1L of gasoline for 7 km Jan 18 09:09:38 nice Jan 18 09:10:00 nice? :( Jan 18 09:10:04 Who is Leonti? Jan 18 09:10:09 *Reading the ML* Jan 18 09:10:20 probably a guy Jan 18 09:10:57 *Bah* me wrong, I'm used to norweigans saying how much gas they use each 10km.. we have a different word for that Jan 18 09:11:12 (we call 10 km for 1 "mil") Jan 18 09:11:13 mw|: question is... what kind of sucking internet access poor Leonti has to use... Jan 18 09:11:23 hehe Jan 18 09:11:37 mrmoku: you never did reply on the ML regarding IMAGE_LINGUAS ? Jan 18 09:11:57 (also, I see that he edited shr-image.inc instead of local.conf when he wanted to override IAMGE_LINGUAS) Jan 18 09:13:10 mw|: hmm, have no clear thought about that... and was busy with this stupid not working image Jan 18 09:13:41 Ainulindale probably should give out a statement then :-p Jan 18 09:15:38 my elementary objects aren't playing nice when i try to put them in to swallow parts in an edje :-\ Jan 18 09:15:57 mw|: on what? Jan 18 09:16:38 Ainulindale: morning Jan 18 09:16:54 morning Jan 18 09:17:17 we have some problems here and there... your read some backlog? Jan 18 09:17:19 -r Jan 18 09:17:31 Ainulindale: ML, the thread named Re: [Shr-devel] echo g_ether problem Jan 18 09:18:10 Ainulindale: a used with problems with locales, and the current applied patch on shr-task-minimal-x didn't include the IMAGE_LINGUAS Jan 18 09:18:20 Ainulindale: somehow mdev and initscripts-openmoko get pulled into the image Jan 18 09:18:30 Ainulindale: the used fiddles with changing locale settings in a half built system etc. Jan 18 09:18:35 which breaks everything horribly Jan 18 09:18:39 s/used/user/ Jan 18 09:18:40 mw| meant: Ainulindale: the user fiddles with changing locale settings in a half built system etc. Jan 18 09:19:53 And what should I say then? Jan 18 09:19:59 If the user is wrong, the user is wrong Jan 18 09:20:01 Ainulindale: right now I have http://pastebin.com/d27a97b8a which is strange... because frameworkd has worked before Jan 18 09:20:11 It is necessary to clean everything related to linguas in that case Jan 18 09:20:51 my son has his fifth birthday today... so I'm off very soon now Jan 18 09:21:10 stefan_schmidt has similiar problems with his build... wanted to look into the mdev story today Jan 18 09:21:36 Ainulindale: My qustion remains still on IMAGE_LINGUAS, should that part have been in bitbake receipt Jan 18 09:21:54 line 16 and 17 aren't included currently Jan 18 09:22:13 I just woke up, I have no idea what you're talking about, so I'll look into that later Jan 18 09:22:13 see you later Jan 18 09:22:43 no problem Jan 18 09:28:43 *breakfast* Jan 18 09:31:07 welp, night all Jan 18 09:31:27 night AntonTakk1 Jan 18 10:40:32 mrmoku: ultra enlightenment takes 25% cpu? Jan 18 10:49:45 mrmoku: okay, reboot solved this. suspend doesnt seem to work, "settings" is a very nice app Jan 18 11:19:48 mrmoku: quick comment Jan 18 11:19:56 you didn't got what I told was necessary for task-shr and such Jan 18 11:20:01 the content of the subtasks should be there Jan 18 11:20:09 anything else should stay as is Jan 18 11:21:43 mw|: you have access to the overlay, don't you? Jan 18 11:21:47 If you have, please apply the patch Jan 18 11:21:50 But correct it Jan 18 11:21:52 it's LINGUAs Jan 18 11:21:55 not LINGAUS Jan 18 11:21:59 small s ? Jan 18 11:22:05 no, LINGUAS Jan 18 11:22:07 U then A Jan 18 11:22:11 aaah Jan 18 11:22:21 Though it tells me you didn't test it =) Jan 18 11:22:29 Bad boy. Jan 18 11:26:18 Ainulindale: I tested it by adding the same variable to local.conf (with same spelling error) Jan 18 11:26:37 I didn't edit shr-image.inc (or whatever the file where the default value of that is set) Jan 18 11:27:49 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/181 I'm not allowed to close bugs, can I please be granted that permission? Jan 18 11:28:51 (I think that it is a bit stupid that you aren't allowed to close your own commited bugs either... I'm too used to bugzilla) Jan 18 11:32:19 heh :-) Jan 18 11:32:25 Yeah I'll grant you bug wrangling rights Jan 18 11:32:59 Here you are Jan 18 11:37:47 ainulindale Jan 18 11:37:50 this week Jan 18 11:38:21 I will buy it: http://www.musichousebari.it/images/offerte/Gibson_SG_SPECIAL_nera_554_2.jpg Jan 18 11:38:27 a gibson sg black Jan 18 11:38:31 Heh Jan 18 11:38:43 do you like it? :D Jan 18 11:39:00 sadly the les paul cost to much for me ( 2000 E ) Jan 18 11:40:40 looks like a music instrument Jan 18 11:40:51 well, it is a guitar Jan 18 11:41:08 a plastic flute is cheaper;-) Jan 18 11:41:31 and it makes also noise, hehe Jan 18 11:41:51 is it an e-guitar? Jan 18 11:42:16 i am not familiar with guitars Jan 18 11:42:20 Hire: I don't like gibsons Jan 18 11:42:32 what do you have? Jan 18 11:42:45 i have an yamaha and this week, that :D Jan 18 11:43:11 An Ibanez Jan 18 11:43:29 And I'd like to buy that http://www.gameblog.fr/forum/index.php?showtopic=11784 Jan 18 11:43:32 cool Jan 18 11:43:32 (sold by a friend of mine) Jan 18 11:44:26 500 E Jan 18 11:44:35 uhm ... Jan 18 11:44:43 worth the price huh? :-) Jan 18 11:46:45 the price is nice Jan 18 11:46:59 i want to pay my gibson 700 E Jan 18 11:47:48 and I want a new ampli :) Jan 18 11:48:29 sadly, I am a dumbass :( Jan 18 11:48:39 i don't have so spare time to training Jan 18 11:50:23 * Sup3rkiddo has a acoustic, but doesnt know how to play it :P Jan 18 11:50:30 Ainulindale: hmm, so shr-task has the packages directly? Jan 18 11:50:35 what are the subtasks needed for then? Jan 18 11:51:56 There is no need for that Jan 18 11:52:01 In task-shr you'll have Jan 18 11:52:21 RDEPENDS_${PN}-apps = content of task-apps Jan 18 11:52:24 etc Jan 18 11:52:32 this will allow us to have one bb file for several tasks Jan 18 11:52:36 and only that Jan 18 11:53:09 And we need two of them Jan 18 11:53:13 minimal and non minimal Jan 18 11:53:18 Well I have to eat Jan 18 11:53:32 Leave a message if it's not clear enough, will be back in two hours or so Jan 18 11:54:55 damn forced reconnect :( Jan 18 11:55:37 Ainulindale: have a nice meal then :-) Jan 18 12:29:13 heyho Jan 18 12:38:28 hi morphis Jan 18 12:40:41 Hey Jan 18 12:43:17 * tordo heard Ibanez Jan 18 12:43:54 Ainulindale: I have a 6string ibanez with that bridge pickup Jan 18 12:43:56 it kicks ass! Jan 18 12:44:37 hey quickdev Jan 18 12:44:47 hey morphis Jan 18 12:47:58 mrmoku_, hey I wasn't here tonight when you told me how were the updates going. How did it finished? :) Jan 18 12:51:21 hmmm I see there's a README file saying it doesn't work ;) Jan 18 12:51:59 mrmoku_: pin Jan 18 12:52:00 g Jan 18 12:56:08 Ainulindale: here? Jan 18 12:59:36 Ainulindale: pong Jan 18 12:59:49 * dolf1074 searches Ainulindale :p Jan 18 13:01:00 dolf1074: here and not for long Jan 18 13:01:14 it's for getting the forum on the shr-project account Jan 18 13:01:37 this discussion wasn't ended, nor the forum chosen Jan 18 13:01:51 I set up the other forum I was talking about and you didn't test it Jan 18 13:02:01 Several commented (here) it was better than the other Jan 18 13:02:25 They had to comment it on the mailinglist Jan 18 13:02:30 I didn't know Jan 18 13:02:37 You didn't comment either Jan 18 13:03:00 and because the most didn't want a forum except those on my forum, I started to change that one Jan 18 13:03:15 but okay, will test the other forum software Jan 18 13:03:15 Then you shouldn't have before the discussion was ended Jan 18 13:03:26 I understand your eagerness Jan 18 13:03:34 But we have to choose as a community Jan 18 13:03:35 and then look what's the winner and adapt that forum software Jan 18 13:03:41 As told on the ML Jan 18 13:03:45 I personally don't care at all Jan 18 13:04:20 *chrm* why do we need a forum - ml + sane email client Jan 18 13:04:37 Ah, precision bumbl Jan 18 13:04:40 is imo enough Jan 18 13:04:42 The forum would be for users Jan 18 13:04:47 And not tied to the ML Jan 18 13:04:53 The ML would stay for developer discussion Jan 18 13:04:55 pffff Jan 18 13:05:00 That's what was decided by the ML and the other people Jan 18 13:05:15 ah ok Jan 18 13:05:25 dolf1074: don't "pff" :-) Jan 18 13:05:30 You have to admit it, as I told before Jan 18 13:05:40 Not everybody prefers a forum :-) Jan 18 13:05:44 I know Jan 18 13:05:52 And in fact, most of us prefer a ML for that kind of stuff Jan 18 13:06:00 but I don't want to split up the communication on SHR Jan 18 13:06:03 Whereas, I agree, a forum is better for user discussion Jan 18 13:06:09 dolf1074: that doesn't mean a split Jan 18 13:06:11 therefor I want the forum to be in sync with the mailinglist Jan 18 13:06:30 dolf1074: if you want to display the mails on the forum, so be it Jan 18 13:06:31 the forum isn't for users in the first place (not in the near future) Jan 18 13:06:38 But I don't want to have the forum supersede the ML Jan 18 13:06:42 If it's read only, no problem Jan 18 13:06:56 If it's read write, then we're numerous disagreeing with that Jan 18 13:07:05 why? Jan 18 13:07:17 Because it would trigger a huge mess Jan 18 13:07:21 why? Jan 18 13:07:23 read the mails Jan 18 13:07:27 it's explained there Jan 18 13:07:53 I only read 'forums are a mess and clutter', It doesn't explain why Jan 18 13:08:13 That's not what's written Jan 18 13:08:16 And either way Jan 18 13:08:31 As spurious the arguments as you may think they are Jan 18 13:08:37 They're still arguments Jan 18 13:08:43 And they still show the opinion of the community Jan 18 13:09:22 If the forum is just a client of the mailinglist. It is as much clutter than there is in the mailinglist Jan 18 13:09:23 the problem i have with forums is that you can't easily take them with you eg on the mobile and read them on the go when you are offline Jan 18 13:09:36 Ainulindale: since you're moving, how about archiving mailing lists on marc.info ? Jan 18 13:09:37 beside that forums are ok Jan 18 13:09:42 bumbl: therefor the forum and mailinglist will be in sync Jan 18 13:09:48 viq: moving? Jan 18 13:09:51 viq: we're not moving Jan 18 13:09:52 I see the forum as a frontend of the mailinglist Jan 18 13:10:00 dolf1074: and you're wrong Jan 18 13:10:07 dolf1074: a second nabble? Jan 18 13:10:07 dolf1074: I explained that several times on the ML Jan 18 13:10:16 bumbl: something like that Jan 18 13:10:44 Ainulindale: OK, I guess I misread. And I think you mentioned something before about that... Anyway, s/since you're moving, // :P Jan 18 13:10:51 Ainulindale: you want to split the discussions. Those on the forum and those on the ML Jan 18 13:10:53 dolf1074: Forget it, it won't happen, as I told before and as everyone asked for Jan 18 13:10:59 dolf1074: No Jan 18 13:11:11 ummm... isn't phonegui-contacts.c missing a definition of _hide()? :P Jan 18 13:11:21 in frameworkd-phonegui-efl Jan 18 13:11:41 dolf1074: The ML will stay for developers, as it's been asked for several times, and as it's been there for that in the first place Jan 18 13:11:53 If a forum has to be created, it will be for users and users' communication Jan 18 13:11:54 maybe contacts_hide() was meant to be used instead Jan 18 13:12:00 Not for developers Jan 18 13:12:05 and you are now implicitly saying that the forum has the be for users Jan 18 13:12:13 I already said that several times on the ML Jan 18 13:12:16 Did you read my posts? Jan 18 13:12:21 Seems you didn't Jan 18 13:12:23 and that's the connotation of a forum Jan 18 13:12:48 dolf1074: If you can't read my answers and answer to them in return with arguments that may be pertinent Jan 18 13:12:52 We won't be able to talk to each other Jan 18 13:12:57 I don't want a forum for the users, I want to make a forum as frontend of the mailinglist. So everybody can use there own thing Jan 18 13:12:57 Be it on a forum, on IRC, or on a ML Jan 18 13:13:03 So read the mails, answer to them Jan 18 13:13:10 Ainulindale: I do Jan 18 13:13:15 No you didn't Jan 18 13:13:17 No answer to my mail Jan 18 13:13:38 not to your last one Jan 18 13:13:40 And you seem, now, to discover my opinion Jan 18 13:13:48 Whereas it was my opinion from the beginning Jan 18 13:14:04 I don't want, and I won't accept, any kind of organized front end to the ML Jan 18 13:14:20 It has a purpose, and an entry cost, which is necessary to reduce the amount of pollution Jan 18 13:14:22 Ainulindale: I already know that's your opinion Jan 18 13:14:29 And that's not only mine Jan 18 13:14:36 and it's therefor I talked so much about it on this chat Jan 18 13:14:57 it therefor I said you don't want it because of the name 'forum' Jan 18 13:15:09 Ainulindale: what do you mean by "organized front end"? Even a better archive of the lists, that's easier to read and search ? Jan 18 13:15:10 * PaulFertser Sees web-forums as incomprehensible useless evil. Jan 18 13:15:26 viq: nope Jan 18 13:16:03 dolf1074: You're trying to make of my opinion the opinion of a forum hater Jan 18 13:16:08 And I won't accept that Jan 18 13:16:22 That's not the case, nor will it be the case, any way you try to look at my opinion Jan 18 13:16:30 No you link the word forum with user help Jan 18 13:16:35 No. Jan 18 13:16:38 I don't say you are a forum hater Jan 18 13:16:48 I told, and told again, that if we build a forum for SHR Jan 18 13:16:52 It won't be for developer discussion Jan 18 13:16:59 So that leaves user discussion Jan 18 13:17:08 Which doesn't include developer to user discussion Jan 18 13:17:12 s/incl/excl/ Jan 18 13:17:13 Ainulindale meant: Which doesn't exclude developer to user discussion Jan 18 13:17:25 So you want to split up the communication and that I don't want to do Jan 18 13:17:31 Ainulindale: may I then submit the address of the list to be archived on http://marc.info ? Jan 18 13:17:32 And again, this is not a split Jan 18 13:17:40 Ainulindale: how can a developer use web-forum ever? Jan 18 13:17:46 PaulFertser: that's my point Jan 18 13:17:51 user discussion against developer communication: that's a split Jan 18 13:17:56 Albeit less integrist PaulFertser :-) Jan 18 13:18:04 viq: yes you can, as it seems the ML will stay there :-) Jan 18 13:18:12 OK, thanks :) Jan 18 13:18:38 dolf1074: That's not a split, that's a logical separation, which is necessary and has been necessary for each and every project Jan 18 13:18:56 (project having a given size, of course) Jan 18 13:18:59 and because our community isn't big, it doesn't seem logical to me ;) Jan 18 13:19:09 It's starting to grow big Jan 18 13:19:22 that's a good thing Jan 18 13:19:45 Ainulindale: I will make an answer on the mailinglist. Jan 18 13:19:51 I will stop discuss it here Jan 18 13:20:59 Now another topic: I would like it if everybody writes down what he has done in a week. (Max 1 sentence) And that we have something like the community list for shr Jan 18 13:21:31 and then everybody can follow the things that are happenijng in shr Jan 18 13:21:38 does it seems a good idea? Jan 18 13:22:55 apologies for the frequent join/leave my proxy is acting up Jan 18 13:23:08 dolf1074: I asked for that kind of thing several times Jan 18 13:23:16 Unfortunately nobody seems to listen to me =) Jan 18 13:23:45 we should make them do it :p No maybe start a discussion about it on the mailinglist? Jan 18 13:24:45 Ainulindale: want to be CC'ed in the request? Jan 18 13:26:17 please Jan 18 13:26:21 For now I have to go Jan 18 13:26:25 So see you Jan 18 13:26:27 cya Jan 18 13:27:13 done Jan 18 13:38:10 mrmoku_: good news Jan 18 13:38:46 koen fixed busybox/mdev by packging the mdev stuff in a separate package. I just build a new image and stuf works again. Jan 18 13:39:23 mrmoku_: Its basically the trick of removing the init script you did yesterday Jan 18 13:39:27 morphis: around? Jan 18 13:39:32 stefan_sc: jepp Jan 18 13:39:53 morphis: sorry, forgot our scheduled meeting Jan 18 13:40:53 stefan_sc: it's ok :) maybe it would better for the future of the fiish if we would have a mailinglist Jan 18 13:41:18 morphis: maybe, yes. Jan 18 13:41:34 morphis: Until now it was basically me and Harald. No need for a list then. :) Jan 18 13:41:43 :) Jan 18 13:41:51 morphis: I will pester him to set one up when he is back in .de Jan 18 13:41:57 End of the months Jan 18 13:41:59 month Jan 18 13:42:05 ok Jan 18 13:42:44 do you have jabber? Jan 18 13:43:48 morphis: yes Jan 18 13:44:00 let my check th jid Jan 18 13:44:05 ok, please add me: morphis@jabber.ccc.de Jan 18 13:44:24 ok Jan 18 13:45:31 morphis: added Jan 18 13:45:37 another question: when starting the xserver and running it for some time the screen blur after some minutes. do you notice this too? Jan 18 13:45:40 k Jan 18 13:46:38 I noticed some blur yes. I think it comes from the fact that wince already configured the LCM before we do it with our driver Jan 18 13:46:44 perhpas some mismatch here Jan 18 13:46:56 ok Jan 18 13:47:00 I would care about it when we are able to start without wince Jan 18 13:47:18 morphis: Did you already checked the bootloader and diagnostic suite? Jan 18 13:47:39 fancy factory checking for operators if the device is ok. Jan 18 13:47:51 stefan_sc: no Jan 18 13:48:09 starting by pressing the camera button while powering on? Jan 18 13:48:28 morphis: http://wiki.openezx.org/Glofiish_X800#bootloader Jan 18 13:48:38 ok, I have it on my screen Jan 18 13:48:52 fancy Jan 18 13:49:01 heh, yes Jan 18 13:49:15 I was really surprised as I have seen it the first time Jan 18 13:49:28 i can only run one test? or can I go back after the test is finished? Jan 18 13:49:50 can go back Jan 18 13:49:55 just touch the screen Jan 18 13:50:06 no, Jan 18 13:50:10 hmm Jan 18 13:51:00 morphis: press the place where the former X was Jan 18 13:51:13 IIRC they do no real screen refresh :) Jan 18 13:51:24 ok I have it Jan 18 13:52:43 currently I am compiling the shr with the eten-machine target Jan 18 13:54:02 you and harald have already some starting point for flashing the device? Jan 18 13:54:20 morphis: no Jan 18 13:54:26 ok Jan 18 13:54:43 The bootloader allows flashing without signature it seems Jan 18 13:54:54 yesterday I saw some threads about flashing in the eten-user forum Jan 18 13:55:01 Best start for us. Need to fiddle out the protocol tho Jan 18 13:55:16 yeah, you can flash from SD and over USB IIRC Jan 18 13:55:20 maybe we can start watching at some of this flash'ers Jan 18 13:55:29 yup Jan 18 13:55:39 great Jan 18 13:56:01 maybe SD is even easier as we just need to prepare the files accordingly Jan 18 13:56:10 jepp Jan 18 13:56:34 It's just that we haven't looked at it yet. If you like, go ahead Jan 18 13:57:07 I even compiled a new kernel with the gspi wlan driver but where I have to put the firmware files? in /lib/firmware on the device or in the kernel dir? Jan 18 13:57:22 I will starting to work on it Jan 18 13:57:51 /lib/firmware Jan 18 13:58:05 or another place where you point the fw loader from the kernel to Jan 18 13:58:11 /lib/firmware/*.bin or in some subfolder? Jan 18 13:58:26 ok, where I configure this? Jan 18 13:58:30 I think just in the folder Jan 18 13:58:55 IIRC there is a config option for it in kconfig Jan 18 13:59:07 ok, I will look at it Jan 18 14:01:03 so now I have to leave Jan 18 14:01:12 going our for walk with my dog :) Jan 18 14:01:36 cya Jan 18 14:26:31 is the testing image from yesterday worth flashing or more like making the phone unuseable Jan 18 14:35:21 tifereth: this question intressting my also. Jan 18 14:36:54 it might bork the touchscreen Jan 18 14:37:05 (mdev has a different naming scheme for the input devices, than udev had) Jan 18 14:37:27 but don't know, just a rumor I heard Jan 18 14:37:55 at the moment i'm a bit confused about testing, unstable and ultraunstable. Jan 18 14:39:24 you're not alone Jan 18 14:41:23 mickey|zzZZzz: I have a question regarding http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob;f=otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml.in;h=fb12de97f3f1ddd8175f7c5cccdd0b37db347a76;hb=master Jan 18 14:41:33 the testing image is the one from december 24th, right? Jan 18 14:41:36 that one works for me, fwiw Jan 18 14:41:57 mickey|zzZZzz: GetAuthStatus, what happens if the SIM-card gets barred? (failes PUK/PUK2 too many times) Jan 18 16:05:40 Hi all... After updating frameworkd, I get this error: http://pastebin.com/m4397452c. Any ideas? Jan 18 16:05:59 Probably my D-BUS configuration is outdated for frameworkd? Jan 18 16:09:32 beniwtv: debian? Jan 18 16:10:50 lindi-: yep Jan 18 16:11:09 beniwtv: dbus upgrade at least made it impossible for normal users to talk to frameworkd Jan 18 16:12:01 *sigh* But I'm root at the moment :) Any workarounds? Jan 18 16:12:26 beniwtv: check if reverting to old /etc/dbus-1 helps first so that we can rule out things Jan 18 16:14:17 lindi: I didn't even change anything in system.d/frameworkd.conf. Maybe it's in the general config file? Jan 18 16:14:37 beniwtv: but dbus security upgrade modified /etc/dbus-1 Jan 18 16:16:18 hmm... strange... I have allow send_destination and allow receive_sender now there Jan 18 16:16:30 both point to org.freedesktop.DBus Jan 18 16:24:42 lindi-: Do you still have a working conf we can compare? Jan 18 16:25:59 beniwtv: sure Jan 18 16:26:51 tar cf dbus-1.tar /home/scratch/neo/2009-01-18/etc/dbus-1 Jan 18 16:26:57 beniwtv: see http://iki.fi/lindi/tmp/ Jan 18 16:27:38 lindi-: Thanks, going to do a diff to see what changed Jan 18 16:30:07 raster: here? Jan 18 16:30:37 Did you already made a label widget where the labels get as big as the container? Jan 18 16:33:39 lindi-: Works now :) I was missing . Thanks a lot :) Jan 18 16:34:51 Now to my second question today :P What's dbus-hlid? Jan 18 16:36:51 beniwtv: where did you hear about that? Jan 18 16:37:20 lindi-: cli-frameworkd complains about it not installed Jan 18 16:37:34 beniwtv: can you paste the complete error? Jan 18 16:38:03 lindi: DBus Exception. dbus-hlid not installed Jan 18 16:38:13 And before that: RROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on org.freesmartphone.DBus:/org/freesmartphone/DBus: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freesmartphone.DBus was not provided by any .service files Jan 18 16:40:06 lindi-: It seems to be this: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=dbus-hlid.git;a=summary Jan 18 16:40:44 beniwtv: some new dependency? Jan 18 16:40:58 lindi-: Yep, seems so. Jan 18 16:41:35 It seems cli-frameworkd uses it to get the Display and such Jan 18 16:41:54 odd, i can't find this from git of frameworkd Jan 18 16:42:20 Here's the README: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=dbus-hlid.git;a=blob;f=README;h=f29c37ce593e019d5d72fcdfabf70a612eb06d0a;hb=HEAD Jan 18 16:42:21 beniwtv: are you using cli-framework as packaged by debian? Jan 18 16:42:40 ./tools/cli-framework: print "DBus Exception. dbus-hlid not installed" Jan 18 16:42:41 lindi-: Nope, from git.freesmartphone.org Jan 18 16:42:44 found it Jan 18 16:42:47 beniwtv: ah, good :) Jan 18 16:42:50 then it will work for me :) Jan 18 16:43:09 beniwtv: i guess you could warn pkg-fso about that dependency and help them package it Jan 18 16:44:27 lindi-: hmm... we probably should. However, I never used their packages, so I'm not familiar with them :) Jan 18 16:45:25 They may already include it, or they use a previous version where it's not needed Jan 18 17:03:58 mickey|zzZZzz: Hey :) I think i found several interesting things and i think my hacked version works more reliable now. I'm not able to prepare a decent patch as the code is a mess generally but i'll at least try to. One question? What's the deal with waking up calypso with EOF 0x1a? Are you sure it should be sent through virtual channel? Where's that info from? I think that's something that gsm0710muxd should do on it own, bec Jan 18 17:05:36 PaulFertser: your line was too long Jan 18 17:05:42 PaulFertser: ended with "gsm0710muxd should do on it own, bec" Jan 18 17:06:04 And i think i'll fix async channel allocation (including "don't allocate channel you can't use (id>=5 for calypso)") in a sane manner. Jan 18 17:06:09 lindi-: thanks :) Jan 18 17:06:45 on its own, because opening and closing channels doesn't work if nothing was written to the modem for some time. If i immediatly repeat, it works. Jan 18 17:06:47 sounds odd to do it over virtual channel indeed Jan 18 17:08:14 lindi-: moreover, gsm0710muxd already does send some wakeup sequence on every frame (f9 f9) but it doesn't help and if i do (f9 f9 1a), it doesn't help either. Jan 18 17:08:27 PaulFertser: odd Jan 18 17:08:35 PaulFertser: any byte should help Jan 18 17:09:59 lindi-: http://pastebin.com/m3eedd17b (no timestamps, unfortunately). Jan 18 17:10:38 just a stupid thought, but, what is the last command issued before it failes to respond.. (could be that the last command was sent incomplete, and it doesn't respons because it waits for more input) Jan 18 17:11:35 stefan_schmidt: thanks... though it should be enough to just set DISTRO_DEV_MANAGER="udev" Jan 18 17:11:42 no need to remove the initscript then? Jan 18 17:12:37 mw|: nope, that seem to be a purely timing issue. If i ask it to allocate a channel right after another channel allocation, it always works. If i wait for some 10 seconds, it times out, if i repeat immediately, it works. The same with closing channels. I think i've seen that pretty clearly. Jan 18 17:13:24 mrmoku: any news on the image building process except that it does not work? Jan 18 17:14:27 bumbl: hehe, not yet. My son has birthday today and I had fun watching a puppet play with the whole family :-) Jan 18 17:14:48 but the mdev/udev problem seems to be sorted out in OE Jan 18 17:15:04 I have to sort out the SHR tasks now and then we can retry Jan 18 17:15:25 mrmoku: not with the latest pull Jan 18 17:18:13 mrmoku! Jan 18 17:18:40 stefan_schmidt: is mdev/udev still broken then? Works in SlugOS with Koen's change... Jan 18 17:19:05 slugs Jan 18 17:19:32 mwester: It's working here too Jan 18 17:19:46 The no was on the need of the init script removal Jan 18 17:20:02 That's no longer in the busybox package so no need to remove Jan 18 17:20:12 I'm testing a image from today here now. Jan 18 17:20:29 Hopefully the wild ride on latest OE.dev gets softer now :) Jan 18 17:21:51 It _is_ rather like a roller coaster -- we seem to be at a peak of activity and disruption right now ;) Jan 18 17:22:16 mrmoku: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzXO_5e8oO0 :p Jan 18 17:22:19 mwester: yeah, seems so Jan 18 17:22:27 I like roller coasters :P Jan 18 17:23:03 How is progress? Jan 18 17:23:13 Mwester, yeah, I've been thinking the same thing :) Jan 18 17:28:44 stefan_schmidt: ok Jan 18 17:31:10 bumbl: hehe, nice... though he's five years old now and I hope he has still lots of years to make money ;) Jan 18 17:32:31 haha Jan 18 17:32:33 yes Jan 18 17:32:46 hahaha, wow Jan 18 17:32:57 * stefan_schmidt -> dinner Jan 18 17:33:21 Mwester, we must share a few similar livestyle points Jan 18 17:33:52 She just walked in the door, and I asked her to hand me a harddrive I had placed in the fridge. Jan 18 17:34:11 The good news, I popped it back in, and it works great... now :P Jan 18 17:34:16 haha Jan 18 17:34:43 I would recommand to backup that drive :-p Jan 18 17:35:19 I did :D Jan 18 17:35:23 first thing, duh Jan 18 17:35:28 hehehe Jan 18 17:35:33 I mean, it's not quite the freezer trick, but close enough right? :P Jan 18 17:35:34 yeah Jan 18 17:35:41 mw|, trust me, I've done some dangerous things in my time Jan 18 17:35:42 father of my girlfriend tried that stunt aswell Jan 18 17:35:47 (not just my melting freerunners and stuff) :P Jan 18 17:35:51 harddrive was still dead :-p Jan 18 17:36:27 I do have a harddrive that sounds like r2d2 Jan 18 17:36:35 mw| I once had one bangin' like a train track, the head was skipping and shit, I fucking sprayed it with nitro, did a raw copy of the pertinent data, then broke it :D Jan 18 17:36:40 smashy smashy :D Jan 18 17:36:42 hahahaha yeah Jan 18 17:36:58 I have an optical drive that sounds like some sort of communications droid :P Jan 18 17:37:05 beeboo weewoo Jan 18 17:37:09 beep beep beep beep Jan 18 17:37:33 I think we all would have the same look on our faces when we hear a HDD go "KA-CHUNK" Jan 18 17:37:36 O_O Jan 18 17:38:19 hehehe Jan 18 17:38:24 well I had two 8GB HDD's die in a row from Samsung :-/ Jan 18 17:38:36 KA-CHUNK from a harddrive sounds like a warning to me :-p Jan 18 17:38:42 They just would'nt get detected anymore Jan 18 17:38:55 However, the day before they were working fine Jan 18 17:39:07 beniwtv: then I probably had bought one more and swapped circuit-boards Jan 18 17:39:12 and then backup their data Jan 18 17:39:30 want to know a trick for opening xbox (1) harddrives ? Jan 18 17:39:31 I once had an electrical fire along the ide bus :( Jan 18 17:39:38 they are password locked Jan 18 17:39:39 mw, sledgehammer? Jan 18 17:39:42 mw|: I had backups anyway, still that was weird Jan 18 17:39:43 no Jan 18 17:39:43 :D Jan 18 17:39:50 Tell us your secrets then! Jan 18 17:39:53 mw|: But I had Win ME on both :D Jan 18 17:39:56 find an identical drive, start it up Jan 18 17:40:01 make it go to sleep Jan 18 17:40:13 switcheroo? Jan 18 17:40:13 :D Jan 18 17:40:15 disconnect the motor and read-head Jan 18 17:40:25 connect the the one from the xbox Jan 18 17:40:34 wake up the harddrive again Jan 18 17:40:48 and then issue a "remove lock" ata command Jan 18 17:41:03 and voila, xbox disk open... password lock is stored on the plates, and not flash Jan 18 17:41:06 :-p Jan 18 17:41:08 SEKRET ACCESS Jan 18 17:41:16 mw, let me guess, you've done this before? :P Jan 18 17:41:34 not me, but somebody I knew who modified xbox as a side-work Jan 18 17:41:38 Ah Jan 18 17:41:45 How much trouble was it to do the first time? :P Jan 18 17:41:46 after 2-3 years they had a lot of locked drives Jan 18 17:42:08 haha Jan 18 17:42:14 I mostly limit my hacking to cellphones :) Jan 18 17:42:33 us who knew them almost got a bunch of these small hard-drives thrown after us Jan 18 17:42:39 Since I can't stand those locked down, poorly designed pieces of unintelligent crap Jan 18 17:42:44 since they are to small to have any resell value Jan 18 17:42:50 haha aww Jan 18 17:44:05 OPENMOKO ON AN XBOX? Jan 18 17:44:08 :D Jan 18 17:44:15 I've seen youtube videos of what other people how done with xbox disks Jan 18 17:44:20 domino Jan 18 17:44:30 s/how/have/ Jan 18 17:44:38 ja Jan 18 17:44:42 Dave: You just reminded me of trying OM on my cobalt... heh Jan 18 17:44:44 :D Jan 18 17:45:15 hahaha Jan 18 17:45:18 nice :p Jan 18 17:45:25 mrmoku: ping Jan 18 17:45:41 Also, I take no responsibility for the first person to replace their car's electronic dashboard system with openmoko :x Jan 18 17:45:53 Dave: Now that involves some work, though... And it probably won't call :) Jan 18 17:45:56 (particularly if it literally drives them to their death) :p Jan 18 17:46:01 hahaha Jan 18 17:46:22 Damn you OSM, You didn't tell me there was a house here! Jan 18 17:46:23 :P Jan 18 17:46:46 yoyo: pong Jan 18 17:46:54 Dave: You're just missing a house!? Im my area there aren't even streets! :P Jan 18 17:47:01 mrmoku: do you hove moment ? Jan 18 17:47:08 yoyo: yep Jan 18 17:47:33 sometimes, rarely you get roads going straight through buildings Jan 18 17:47:44 or roads connecting, when they don't Jan 18 17:48:01 there's like a forest separating them or something which someone conveniently left out :p Jan 18 17:48:07 hmm Jan 18 17:48:07 mrmoku: I finished first public release of http://localhost/stangegps_svn/?subPage=map2&lang=en Jan 18 17:48:18 <- needs a new hdd Jan 18 17:48:26 yoyo: localhost, that server rocks Jan 18 17:48:27 what? Jan 18 17:48:32 hot Jan 18 17:48:40 mrmoku: if you whant you can register to try it out. I din't translate all strings Jan 18 17:48:42 * Dave sends the train to yoyo Jan 18 17:49:10 stange? that is a chicken farm in norway Jan 18 17:49:15 hyhyhy one moment :P Jan 18 17:49:23 ja :D Jan 18 17:50:08 http://d3p.pl/stangegps/?subPage=map1&lang=en Jan 18 17:50:27 bagawk? Jan 18 17:51:19 yoyo: What's the page about? Is there more info somewhere? Jan 18 17:51:51 yoyo: que es? Jan 18 17:52:08 it is first step. now it give posibility to upload your log from tangogps to it at put track on google maps Jan 18 17:52:17 fortreffelig Jan 18 17:52:25 track can by public or privete Jan 18 17:52:45 tango ripoff? :D Jan 18 17:52:50 Hallo guru Jan 18 17:52:51 yoyo: Nice Jan 18 17:52:52 in future I will add more fitures Jan 18 17:53:50 bumbl: tilde? :P Jan 18 17:55:20 yoyo, did you even spell your software right? :P Jan 18 17:56:26 I have engin for translatnio. it start to work if all posible strings on web whas request. Jan 18 17:56:45 I only pass by all strings in PL Jan 18 17:56:46 Dave: you're cruel ;) Jan 18 17:57:28 yoyo: I can help for Spanish and German, however I need the strings in English, as I do not understand Polish ;) Jan 18 17:58:22 :D Jan 18 17:58:45 I can do German and some Austrian dialects too Jan 18 17:58:46 haha Jan 18 17:58:46 :p Jan 18 17:58:54 I AM THE ENGRISH MASTAR Jan 18 17:59:14 I mean, yeehaw, Americans sure do suck and langwidge! Jan 18 17:59:21 realy sory for my spelling one more time :/ Jan 18 17:59:24 :p Jan 18 17:59:27 And i'll refrain from translating it to russian as i don't like users who can't understand english ;) Jan 18 17:59:40 * Dave high-fives Paul Jan 18 17:59:46 PaulFertser: true Jan 18 18:03:24 yoyo: So before I try to register, is the website on-line from now on? I would be interested in trying it tonight with my FR :) Jan 18 18:03:58 * Dave laughs Jan 18 18:04:06 Dave: i know several people who would disagree when you say that Americans can speak English Jan 18 18:04:09 :p Jan 18 18:04:14 I NEVER SAID THAT! Jan 18 18:04:24 Americans don't speak English at all Jan 18 18:04:28 They speak American! Jan 18 18:04:36 ha'yuk! :D Jan 18 18:04:39 hehe Jan 18 18:04:44 beniwtv: web site is on-line Jan 18 18:05:09 beniwtv: you can register and upload some log files. from tango Jan 18 18:05:32 yoyo: Great! Will try tonight in my car :) Jan 18 18:05:54 beniwtv: yyy in car? Jan 18 18:05:57 WE GET SIGNAL Jan 18 18:06:07 beniwtv, please be careful :) Jan 18 18:06:16 yoyo: Yep, I drive around with the FR Jan 18 18:06:19 wouldn't want to see you get into a freerunner-involved accident Jan 18 18:06:21 :p Jan 18 18:06:21 beniwtv: by this page you can only upload your log file Jan 18 18:06:33 Dave: Don't worry, I have a car holder ;) Jan 18 18:06:38 hahah just the thought of it sounds bad Jan 18 18:06:45 But hey, tha'ts what I did last sumer Jan 18 18:06:46 sumerm Jan 18 18:07:04 i know what you did last summer Jan 18 18:07:09 Dave: Yeah... "Young man dies in car accident caused by a mobile phone" Jan 18 18:07:11 rofl Jan 18 18:07:17 Hey, you know what I say, right? Jan 18 18:07:27 yoyo: yep, but I have to get a log file first ;) Jan 18 18:07:41 beniwtv: true Jan 18 18:07:43 Breaking News: FIRST SUCCESSFUL OPENSOURCE PHONE LINKED TO DOWNED COMMERCIAL JET Jan 18 18:07:47 D: Jan 18 18:07:57 epic fail? rut roh. Good thing they're based in China! Jan 18 18:07:58 :P Jan 18 18:08:38 Dave: I think the FR might survive, like a black box :) Not sure about the owner, though Jan 18 18:08:53 rofl Jan 18 18:09:43 mayby they should use FR as blackbox on airplanes? Jan 18 18:09:45 :-p Jan 18 18:10:09 mw|: Rofl... World's first black box that doesn't stop vibrating! Jan 18 18:10:15 it can even search for wlan's on the downfall and phone home to a server and tell the world were it will crash Jan 18 18:10:56 mw|: provided it gets a fix :P Jan 18 18:10:59 Or it could send a SMS with the GPS data :) Jan 18 18:11:21 Btw Jan 18 18:11:35 Searching for a freerunner with ANOTHER freerunner is definitely epic fail :P Jan 18 18:11:36 Because, naturally it will know with it's accelerometers if the airplane is falling down Jan 18 18:11:44 o_O Jan 18 18:12:03 Beniwtv, I'm pretty sure no plane would ever substitute it's guidance systems for a freerunern :P Jan 18 18:12:42 yeah, you have the bluetooth code thingy, that you can pair two units by shaking them in one hand Jan 18 18:12:49 that should work on a plane :-p Jan 18 18:13:15 ughg Jan 18 18:13:17 duh, there's a helicoper system, which actually did exactly that Dave Jan 18 18:13:22 (btw, gps works in high altitudes) Jan 18 18:13:25 black hawk down? Jan 18 18:13:45 see projects iirc Jan 18 18:14:08 Dave: naw, more like flying eye Jan 18 18:14:27 people I know had some program where they put civilian gps inside f16 cockpits to see if they work, and they did Jan 18 18:14:39 they were able to 3d-track were the plane had been :-) Jan 18 18:14:48 shure, wy not? Jan 18 18:18:54 oh gawd Jan 18 18:19:07 Modern UAV using freerunner for imaging and positioning? Jan 18 18:19:10 sounds failicious to me! Jan 18 18:26:28 muaha, my M800 glofiish (winmoob) is set up to "never suspend when on mains power". When I received a call the screen went black and I had to push powerbutton to resume before I was able to accept the call :P Jan 18 18:27:05 ewww Jan 18 18:58:26 grate sounds :) mplayer http://electro.mthn.net:8400 Jan 18 19:00:14 :o Jan 18 19:00:29 hey ho Jan 18 19:02:58 BluesLee: no, not yet ;) Jan 18 19:03:23 mrmoku: hmmm.. not yet what?;-) Jan 18 19:03:34 * mrmoku is trying to guess and answer questions before they are asked :-) Jan 18 19:03:55 Hi Blueslee! Jan 18 19:04:04 mrmoku: :-) Jan 18 19:04:12 hi dave, how r u? Jan 18 19:04:18 mrmoku, I used to do that all the time Jan 18 19:04:30 and for apache, I was right 90% of the time :D Jan 18 19:04:44 people claimed I was using a secret module I developed a long time ago Jan 18 19:04:52 and then the unreleased on, mod_telepathy2 :P Jan 18 19:04:57 but don't tell anyone I said so Jan 18 19:05:03 I'd never publicly admit to it Jan 18 19:05:10 oh crap. Jan 18 19:08:54 i have to do some chat stuff with linux, msn protocol, which software should i use? Jan 18 19:11:25 is kopete okay? Jan 18 19:11:31 hello, I'm getting some errors while upgrading latest unstable shr Jan 18 19:11:59 a21: flashing or upgrading (neither is recommended btw.) Jan 18 19:12:42 a21, wlecome to my happy world xD Jan 18 19:12:53 upgrading my installed unstable shr Jan 18 19:13:17 (happy new year mrmoku ^_^) Jan 18 19:13:22 a21: unstable is broken atm. Jan 18 19:13:27 blueslee, it's all terrible Jan 18 19:13:30 the protocol is terrible Jan 18 19:13:31 happy new year to you too :-) Jan 18 19:13:56 Sharwin_F: trying the next image incarnation right now Jan 18 19:14:05 oh nice... broken right now or I need to wait tomorrow? Jan 18 19:14:18 mrmoku, hope it get solved tonight :D Jan 18 19:14:44 a21: guess I will send a mail to ML when its worth trying Jan 18 19:14:47 BluesLee, do you need any specific characteristic of the msn protocol? Jan 18 19:14:49 and I think you will have to reflash Jan 18 19:15:12 ah ok Jan 18 19:16:05 flash it like it's hot Jan 18 19:16:20 can you please put omview installed by default in unstable? (or do we have any other choice as image viewer?) Jan 18 19:17:18 a21, I prefer neon Jan 18 19:17:36 url about neon? Jan 18 19:17:42 not used so much, but it looks better Jan 18 19:17:49 Sharwin_F: no ... file transfer doesnt work from linux to linux Jan 18 19:18:27 BluesLee, do you need file transfer? Jan 18 19:18:33 a21: don't think so for the lite image... if we start doing the fat images again Jan 18 19:18:33 uh oh Jan 18 19:18:42 a21, http://www.opkg.org/package_62.html Jan 18 19:18:45 Sharwin_F: and therefore the webcam ... from win to linux1/linux2 its okay Jan 18 19:18:46 BluesLee: You are on the path to destruction! Jan 18 19:18:58 Dave: its not for me ... Jan 18 19:19:09 Then who for? Jan 18 19:19:14 BluesLee, if ou want webcam + audio + posh things use Amsn Jan 18 19:19:19 yeah Jan 18 19:19:22 amsn "work" Jan 18 19:19:23 works Jan 18 19:19:28 even if it's crappy Jan 18 19:19:36 Dave: for my 12 year old nephew Jan 18 19:19:43 Oh, heh Jan 18 19:19:45 Dave: he uses linux;-) Jan 18 19:19:49 I personally prefer emesene to chat via msn protocol Jan 18 19:19:50 tell him to try amsn then :P Jan 18 19:19:58 sharwin, does it do AV though? Jan 18 19:20:08 AV? Jan 18 19:20:09 we will try, thanx Jan 18 19:20:27 Audio/Video Jan 18 19:20:39 nice, i'll give it a try asap Jan 18 19:21:14 emesene is supposued to be able to handle incoming webcam transfer, and also send with a patch someone wrote... Jan 18 19:21:28 I've never been able to send or receive using emesene Jan 18 19:21:41 ah, about filemanager in shr... how I could associate a file with the default application? like .jpg with a viewer or .mp3 with a player Jan 18 19:22:52 (gpe-filemanager) Jan 18 19:23:28 gpe-iphone, anyone? Jan 18 19:25:39 PaulFertser: i won't be around for another couple of hours, but a short notice: Jan 18 19:26:33 PaulFertser: emdete's word on that was that he believed the calypso to not honor the 0710 wakeup command (there's an ancient bug about that in trac.openmoko.org), so he could not implement that. Perhaps this was wrong, I'd rather have it done in MUX mode than on the virtual channel. Jan 18 19:27:17 mickey|zzZZzz: ok, i'll do more tests later. Jan 18 19:27:31 so if you can find a way without us having to do it, we'd be delighted Jan 18 19:27:36 great. Jan 18 19:27:37 l8er Jan 18 19:28:30 PaulFertser: for reference Jan 18 19:28:32 PaulFertser: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1289 Jan 18 19:28:34 cya Jan 18 19:31:11 mickey|zzZZzz, one question. What's the problem with python-mysqldb in oe? Jan 18 19:31:50 is there one? Jan 18 19:32:01 then let me ask you... what's the problem? :) Jan 18 19:32:07 ah Jan 18 19:32:08 wait Jan 18 19:32:13 you mean why i moved it to nonworking Jan 18 19:32:16 well... it didn't build Jan 18 19:32:30 and i had not enough time to investigate Jan 18 19:32:43 i'd welcome a patch Jan 18 19:34:46 ask patches the cat :) Jan 18 19:35:30 stefan_schmidt_: the mdev thing worked (flashing right now) Jan 18 19:35:41 I have a problem with the initscripts though Jan 18 19:35:50 it pulls in initscripts-openmoko Jan 18 19:36:08 but i set DISTRO_INITSCRIPTS to initscripts-shr Jan 18 19:39:44 wowow! I like the new configuration interface! Jan 18 19:39:55 So, I'm running e17 on debian with illume, and I see in the theme file that there is a screen lock defined. But that's not what's getting used -- when I lock the screen, I get the default enlightenment password lock.. Jan 18 19:40:49 any ideas how to fix that? Jan 18 19:42:57 initscripts-mrmoku Jan 18 19:44:59 mickey|zzZZzz, I'm going to investigate it Jan 18 19:45:34 detective quickdev is on the case! Jan 18 20:00:09 what shall I say... GO AND GET IT :-) Jan 18 20:00:25 yoyo: hey... I uploaded a log and it seemed to work great :) Jan 18 20:02:12 beniwtv: are there many playces not tranclated yet ? Jan 18 20:02:50 yoyo: The registration confirmation, and also the alt= and title= tags of some images Jan 18 20:03:14 beniwtv: ok thx :) Jan 18 20:03:14 but I haven't yet searched deeply :) Jan 18 20:03:30 Is there any roadmap on features you want to add? Jan 18 20:03:52 beniwtv: use it :) Jan 18 20:03:57 For instance, it would be nice to have other graphs with altitude, speed, etc Jan 18 20:04:15 yoyo: That's my first track: http://d3p.pl/stangegps/?subPage=map7 Jan 18 20:05:11 beniwtv: I have fiev ideas like: gallery from some poin/event fusion with http://d3p.pl/fb Jan 18 20:06:04 beniwtv: how many 'C you have? Jan 18 20:06:16 yoyo: Heh... In that case a camera on th FR would be nice ;) Jan 18 20:06:26 yes Jan 18 20:06:28 yoyo: What's a C? Jan 18 20:06:34 "F? Jan 18 20:06:57 temperature :) Jan 18 20:06:57 Oh, you mean the temp? Jan 18 20:07:11 heh... 15 °C right now Jan 18 20:07:20 Pretty cold for this area Jan 18 20:07:37 Ainulindale: ping Jan 18 20:07:50 beniwtv: option to comment track, option for ownet log to decide to starf from end or start track, animation ? yyy some futures about zoom Jan 18 20:09:48 yoyo: sounds cool :) The idea I like most would be to have and indication of the direction you were going :) You could do that by taking the first? row in the file as an indication or so Jan 18 20:11:16 beniwtv: log file is parsed end stored in db order by hyyy or order by hyyy desc :) Jan 18 20:12:19 beniwtv: I see you have near you swiming pul :) Jan 18 20:12:39 yoyo: so you're storing it in a db? And then you just get it from there if the user requests it so you don't have to parse the file every time? Jan 18 20:13:18 yoyo: yep, it's near my street :) In addition, bellow is the big blue sea ;) Jan 18 20:13:19 beniwtv: yes. I hove some ideas about adding POI's Jan 18 20:15:54 yoyo: nice :) Also you could have a link like "share", directly to the map, like http://d3p.pl/stangegps// with some apache rewrite magic :) Jan 18 20:16:22 apache rewrite magic "cool" Jan 18 20:17:14 yoyo: it's actually quite easy :) What are you using PHP? Jan 18 20:17:37 any libframeworkd-phonegui-efl developers around? Jan 18 20:18:23 tilman: you sent the patch to ml? Jan 18 20:18:39 yeah, but i wanted to asked about something else :] Jan 18 20:18:44 err, ask* Jan 18 20:19:07 tilman: quickdef and dolf1074 are the two mainly involved in the efl stuff Jan 18 20:19:17 (ment quickdev) Jan 18 20:19:32 okay, thanks Jan 18 20:20:40 tilman, what do you want to know? ;) Jan 18 20:22:50 i've been reading through that code and doing dummy builds on i686. i noticed the library doesn't build because phonegui-contacts.c doesn't actually have a definition of that _hide function that's declared there Jan 18 20:23:43 http://5521ef0c620fb01a.paste.se/ that might be the fix Jan 18 20:25:47 tilman, yes, that's the fix - it was that way before. Maybe dolf1074 changed it :) Jan 18 20:25:53 tilman, thanks for information - I'm going to fix it now Jan 18 20:26:06 sorry if it is my fault :p Jan 18 20:26:12 dolf1074, can you fix it? Jan 18 20:26:17 does it build in the proper cross-compiling setup? Jan 18 20:26:26 don't know, i'm currently watching a movie Jan 18 20:26:32 in 40 min I will look Jan 18 20:26:49 dolf1074: another thing I noticed right now... Jan 18 20:27:01 same thing in elm_resizing_label.c -- _on_focus_hook isn't defined Jan 18 20:27:07 if the number gets long it switches to the smaller font just nicely... Jan 18 20:27:33 if it gets even longer it is becoming a two-liner that is strange Jan 18 20:27:39 the first line up to the top Jan 18 20:27:47 and the second line down into the number pad :-) Jan 18 20:28:18 yes elm_resizing_label isn't finished Jan 18 20:28:25 ok :-) Jan 18 20:28:31 and only works on the vertical mode without keyboard open Jan 18 20:28:49 not finished by us or by e? Jan 18 20:28:49 (i'm actually waiting on raster for something, but will look into making a tempory solution) Jan 18 20:28:56 ahh, ok Jan 18 20:31:02 hei dolf :] Jan 18 20:31:17 what's up? Jan 18 20:31:57 I don't know Jan 18 20:32:01 I'm shopping for a new laptop Jan 18 20:32:04 What are you doing? :p Jan 18 20:32:17 read a couple of lines to the top Jan 18 20:34:35 mrmoku: does the new image work? Jan 18 20:34:40 bumbl: yep :-) Jan 18 20:35:47 mrmoku: but why is it so fat? Jan 18 20:35:56 bumbl: lots of locales :( Jan 18 20:35:57 111MB Jan 18 20:36:04 okay, so quickdev will you do the patch of tilman? Jan 18 20:36:14 mrmoku: any easy fix for that? Jan 18 20:36:46 bumbl: have to look into it now... it worked before Jan 18 20:37:33 mw|: ping Jan 18 20:38:13 take you time - i guess it was a long day today - 5 year olds have an enormous staying power Jan 18 20:38:55 puuh... make me feel old :D (those youngsters) Jan 18 20:39:00 http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr.git;a=commit;h=750e537670ef1bb84cdec1eaf7a7e0f79bb00ee5 Jan 18 20:39:44 okay, thanks. I will then do further on my elm resizing label enhancement Jan 18 20:42:04 mrmoku: rejoice when he get's 15 Jan 18 20:42:16 hehe Jan 18 20:42:32 with 15 he will start to give me computer lessons :P Jan 18 20:42:53 (which I wont understand) Jan 18 20:43:34 when it will by safely to upgrade unstable? Jan 18 20:44:10 mrmoku: i bet he will Jan 18 20:44:21 yoyo: for gta01? Jan 18 20:44:36 yes ? Jan 18 20:44:46 no image yet :( Jan 18 20:44:54 mrmoku: at present time gta01 freaz at init Jan 18 20:45:01 have to slick it down to fit into it Jan 18 20:45:25 yoyo: do you use the new kernel on gta01? Jan 18 20:46:16 mrmoku: 2.6.24 Jan 18 20:46:41 thats the next problem... don't know if the new kernel is working on gta01 Jan 18 20:47:15 give my address to it I will test try it Jan 18 20:47:35 test try Jan 18 20:47:59 mwester: ping Jan 18 20:48:18 yoyo: right now I'm trying to make the image smaller Jan 18 20:48:27 after that I will try to build an gta01 image Jan 18 20:48:37 it is no problem Jan 18 20:48:47 I have 4mb for kernel image in nand Jan 18 20:49:22 yoyo: problem is more the rootfs in flash Jan 18 20:49:34 I think all who use gta01 move from nand to sd Jan 18 20:49:40 with rootfs Jan 18 20:53:37 laptop laptop laptop Jan 18 20:54:07 mwester-laptop: hey - what is your opinion on 2.6.28 on GTA01? Jan 18 20:55:04 mrmoku: it would be nice if it would work... but I'm not sure who's going to make that a reality! Jan 18 20:55:29 Santa? Jan 18 20:55:32 mwester-laptop: so it does not work at all - or it has glitches? Jan 18 20:55:39 Dave: you still believe in him? Jan 18 20:56:02 mrmoku: I don't know if it is support for ext2 in fs in 2.6.28? Jan 18 20:56:24 mrmoku: I haven't tested it; last I heard Belaji (sp?) was going to work on the PMU driver, which is the only really problematic area for the gta01. Jan 18 20:57:00 If we get a working PMU driver, the rest of the stuff is either standard s3c2410 stuff, or not significantly changed from 2.6.24 Jan 18 20:57:17 Tykje? Jan 18 20:57:34 ok... so we should try it :-) Jan 18 20:57:39 * mwester-laptop smacks Dave with the EN-bat Jan 18 20:57:54 mrmoku: someone should try it ;) Jan 18 20:58:12 But I doubt it'll do anything interesting until the new pcf50606 driver is done. Jan 18 20:59:02 hehe :-) Jan 18 20:59:43 that means until then there wont be an SHR image for GTA01 :-( Jan 18 21:00:02 No reason we can't use the old kernel for the gta01 Jan 18 21:00:31 whoo whant by gta01 ?! Jan 18 21:00:33 * mrmoku checks what OE has set for GTA01 Jan 18 21:01:03 gta01 for sale Jan 18 21:01:13 We may have to be a bit more careful with the feeds, though -- to make sure that we don't let gta02 kernel modules slip into the gta01 feeds. Jan 18 21:01:44 yoyo: I already have two of them -- so you'll have to sell it cheap. I'll give you $20 for it, but you have to pay for shipping! :P :-D Jan 18 21:02:08 mwester-laptop: wery funy Jan 18 21:03:13 mrmoku: we might get lucky and the old driver may work well enough with 2.6.28... Jan 18 21:03:32 yoyo: the correct answer is "sure, I'll pay for shipping, but you come here to pick it up" ;) Jan 18 21:03:32 quickdev: that strdup call in call_button_keypad_clicked (call-common.c:10) looks fishy. Jan 18 21:03:49 mwester-laptop: ok... OE has set 2.6.24 as kernel for gta01 Jan 18 21:03:52 you shoud hove some refuntation systme :( Jan 18 21:03:54 might just work then :-) Jan 18 21:05:46 tilman, if you're interested in improving that library we're glad to give you access :) Jan 18 21:05:54 tilman: and by fishy you mean: will cause a memory leak? Jan 18 21:09:06 well, the prototype of ogsmd_call_send_dtmf says it wants a const char* Jan 18 21:09:13 so it seems weird to give it a copy Jan 18 21:09:24 and the function probably won't free it then :> Jan 18 21:09:42 yeah, memory leak ;) Jan 18 21:09:51 quickdev: thanks, let me poke around for a few days first. i don't mind sending out patches, if you don't mind running git am :D Jan 18 21:10:01 dolf1074: yeah, i'm babbling Jan 18 21:10:58 someone with such an eye, is always welcome to send patches :) Jan 18 21:13:56 Does anybody have tried to clone the kernel git repository tonight? Jan 18 21:22:40 I'm seeing some strange faults in libframework-phone thingy Jan 18 21:22:49 around GHashList Jan 18 21:45:08 mrmoku: what is so diffrent in 2.6.28 and 2.6.24 that 2.6.28 don't whant to start on gta01 (init) Jan 18 21:46:30 yoyo: seems to be the PMU drive (as mwester said before) Jan 18 21:47:03 +r Jan 18 21:47:18 *commited* Jan 18 21:47:49 mrmoku: ok but why 2.6.24 don't start system with initrc ? Jan 18 21:47:54 present initrc Jan 18 21:48:41 How can the git kernel repository be repaired?I can't clone it tonight....I receive repository corruption on the remote side Jan 18 21:49:11 mrmoku: it is not so importand to have newest kernel but enviroment. Jan 18 21:52:00 mrmoku: pong Jan 18 21:58:46 Ainulindale: we have a working image Jan 18 22:00:56 will it be avaialable for downloading as rootfs tonight? :D Jan 18 22:01:04 Ainulindale: and you should check in which way I have borked the tasks this time ;) Jan 18 22:01:12 Sharwin_F: it already is :-) Jan 18 22:01:34 mrmoku: It's exactly what I was planning to have Jan 18 22:01:43 Please check, though, if you didn't forget any kind of PACKAGE_ARC Jan 18 22:01:46 +H Jan 18 22:02:35 Any task depending on arch should be PACKAGE_ARCH something or MACHINE_ARCH something Jan 18 22:02:39 can't remember which Jan 18 22:02:49 spent the evening playing cards and drinking with friends Jan 18 22:03:35 there was nothing like that in the old subtasks Jan 18 22:04:11 Good! Jan 18 22:04:17 BEHOLD Jan 18 22:04:29 Ainulindale: we have still some problems though Jan 18 22:04:32 raster! Jan 18 22:04:35 locales for one Jan 18 22:04:46 mrmoku: mw's patches should fix that Jan 18 22:04:47 mrmoku, is it here? 18 isn't it? http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ Jan 18 22:04:50 Please do a mail about that Jan 18 22:04:55 I'm going to snore for a while Jan 18 22:05:01 Sharwin_F: yep Jan 18 22:05:04 Between 7 and 8 hours I think Jan 18 22:05:06 I need that Jan 18 22:05:08 mrmoku, ok, gonna try Jan 18 22:05:15 (Did an all nighter friday) Jan 18 22:05:22 (I'm too old for that) Jan 18 22:05:24 Ainulindale: hehe, snore ahead :-) Jan 18 22:05:47 (but I had to help a friend in need, so I went ahead) Jan 18 22:05:56 (anyway, going to sleep, please mail) Jan 18 22:06:14 going to sleep soon too Jan 18 22:06:55 mrmoku, shall I give any feedback about anything specific? Jan 18 22:07:04 Dave: boo Jan 18 22:07:21 Sharwin_F: just if it works :-) Jan 18 22:07:33 ok thanks :D Jan 18 22:07:41 I flashed and tried it, sent an SMS, did a phone call and had an GPS fix :-) Jan 18 22:08:07 mw|: what symptom fixes your commit? Jan 18 22:16:51 hello, i'd like to debug an image...but I don't want compiling a new qemu...but I've tried several -M machines and i don't see anything on the screen nor on the terminal(-serial /dev/stdout)...what should I do? Jan 18 22:18:58 http://rafb.net/p/7n6jCw70.html Jan 18 22:19:45 mrmoku: ophonekitd quits when you want to display PIN dialog Jan 18 22:20:09 since g_hash_table_lookup fails to find the given key and returns 0, which is a unknown state for that part of the code Jan 18 22:20:56 mrmoku: I'm now currently removing 50% of the warnings in libframeworkd-phonegui-efl (I hate warnings) Jan 18 22:21:32 ** ERROR **: Unknown status 0 Jan 18 22:21:32 aborting... Jan 18 22:22:58 mw|: still removing warnings or did you really abort? Jan 18 22:23:19 dolf1074: it did abort Jan 18 22:23:20 mw|: I'm asking, because I had a segfault when sending a new SMS with newer EFL versions Jan 18 22:23:25 and I fixed it, and commited Jan 18 22:23:33 now I'm removing a bunch of other warnings Jan 18 22:23:35 ah so :) Jan 18 22:23:50 (I've started to make a test-suite for running ophonekitd on the host) Jan 18 22:23:56 valgrind is handy :-p Jan 18 22:24:35 that should be very handy, because the whole build process for testing lfw-efl on the freerunner is a bit to long ;) Jan 18 22:25:51 dolf1074: currently my test-suite only works for detecting Usage (detect ogsmd is running), and initing PIN auth dialog Jan 18 22:26:16 (I'm learning myself dbus-glib) Jan 18 22:26:25 Hi, I've got strange problem with recent zhone (current git). It runs fine, registers to network, but when i try to press any, it highlights it, but none action is taken. Also when it locks the screen and I can see 1.2.3.4 I can't press any of them. WHen I try calling myself, I can see incomming call, but yet again, pressing answer or reject does nothing but highlighting button. Any idea what might cause it? Jan 18 22:26:44 okay, when it's ready for use, can you make a wiki page (how to use it)? Jan 18 22:29:57 dagger: is the entire touchscreen non-functioning? Jan 18 22:30:41 dolf1074: that is the plan, but I must push some patches up FSO first then, since their xml of the dbus interface is not 100% valid :-p Jan 18 22:31:09 mwester: touchscreen is working ok. As I said zhone registers press (by highlighting button), but none action is taken Jan 18 22:31:17 bad FSO team, mw| will punish you :) Jan 18 22:32:23 elm_entry_entry_get() anybody now anything about etk here? Jan 18 22:32:45 very limited knowlegde Jan 18 22:33:58 mw|: ping raster... he should know something :-) Jan 18 22:34:19 I think the return data from that (which is const char *) should NOT be changed Jan 18 22:34:24 and if he doesn't know, nobody knows :p Jan 18 22:34:26 the code currently does.... Jan 18 22:37:17 yeah, you are right Jan 18 22:38:09 mw|: no it shouldnt Jan 18 22:38:25 *adding to my big "remove-warnings" patch* Jan 18 22:38:27 if u get a const .... return dont fuck with it - its a return of internal data Jan 18 22:38:42 I saw it because of a warning (among some hundreds) Jan 18 22:39:01 (same policy as gtk/glib then) Jan 18 22:41:12 sample: BAD strdup(g_strstrip(elm_entry_entry_get(data->entry))) Jan 18 22:41:27 sample: GOOD: g_strstrip(strdup(elm_entry_entry_get(data->entry))) Jan 18 22:45:30 oh god, SHR in catalan among other languages. Good job with locales :D Jan 18 22:46:33 mw|: do you have any idea about my zhone problem? Jan 18 22:46:44 Sharwin_F: hehe, so at least it boots :P Jan 18 22:46:53 mrmoku, yes ^_^ Jan 18 22:47:10 Sharwin_F: does it register? Jan 18 22:47:26 mrmoku, yes Jan 18 22:47:36 uou tnew settings looks good :D Jan 18 22:47:47 fine... so I wont have nightmares tonight :D Jan 18 22:47:53 * mrmoku ---> bed Jan 18 22:49:50 dagger: not really, but I've heard that some users don't have working touchscreen due to mdev having different namescheme on input devices that udev Jan 18 22:50:33 mw|: thanks for trying anyway Jan 18 22:50:42 mickeyl: the dbus interface for AuthStatus currently doesn't document what happens if you haved a barred SIM card Jan 18 22:51:28 yeah Jan 18 22:51:39 that's why we don't handle that Jan 18 22:51:42 yet Jan 18 22:51:55 any recommendations? Jan 18 22:52:21 Sharwin_F: where do you get localized SHR packages? Jan 18 22:52:25 mickeyl: add a new auth state, BARRED ? Jan 18 22:52:47 hmm Jan 18 22:52:51 reinouts, first time you run shr, it shows you a popup to select language Jan 18 22:52:52 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob;f=otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml.in;h=fb12de97f3f1ddd8175f7c5cccdd0b37db347a76;hb=master Jan 18 22:52:55 auth state are not synthesized Jan 18 22:52:59 they come directly from the modem Jan 18 22:53:04 line 85 about Jan 18 22:53:11 hmm Jan 18 22:53:19 the question is... what actually happens Jan 18 22:53:21 somebody need to kill a SIM card Jan 18 22:53:23 i did not have a chance to test that Jan 18 22:53:24 exactly Jan 18 22:53:26 reinouts, but it looks like nothig is really translated (at least to catalan :P) Jan 18 22:53:35 i can do that next week Jan 18 22:53:41 i have one i no longer need Jan 18 22:53:51 mickeyl: cool :-p Jan 18 22:54:11 mickeyl: I was that logical issue when writing a frameworkd simulator Jan 18 22:54:19 s/was/saw/ Jan 18 22:54:19 mw| meant: mickeyl: I saw that logical issue when writing a frameworkd simulator Jan 18 22:54:35 *nod* Jan 18 22:54:55 wrt. xml specs Jan 18 22:55:06 i have no idea why the xsl script doesn't work Jan 18 22:55:06 mickeyl: do you have any idea why zhone does not react when I press the key? It registers press (by highliting button), but it doesn't do anything. When it locks the screen and I can see 1.2.3.4 - It doesn't register any keypressing. When I've got incomming call and press Answer or Reject - again, button is highlighted but none action is taken. Touchscreen works perfectly in any other app. Maybe I'm missing some deps? Any idea what might cause it? Jan 18 22:55:10 it should strip error out Jan 18 22:55:21 dagger: no idea offhand Jan 18 22:55:48 mickeyl: is there any place where I could find full list of deps? Jan 18 22:56:00 dagger: OE Jan 18 22:56:03 check the recipe Jan 18 22:56:12 oh ok Jan 18 22:56:13 basically it depends on python-efl and some python libs Jan 18 22:56:21 python-efl in turn depends on efl Jan 18 22:56:26 which in turn depends on loads of other libs Jan 18 22:56:43 Sharwin_F: iirc it only offered English, in any case Dutch wasn't an option Jan 18 22:57:04 I'd like to know how to add it :) Jan 18 22:59:45 mickeyl: I've got all python elf bindings. zhone starts without any error Jan 18 22:59:49 reinouts, well it's not about localed packages but locale of system I suppouse Jan 18 22:59:53 no idea really Jan 18 23:00:43 dagger: tested any other EFL-app? Jan 18 23:00:52 perhaps some ts problem with ecore-x Jan 18 23:02:07 mickeyl: not yet. I've checked OE deps for zhone and I've got everything installed. Hmm... do you remember what libs might be responsible for ts? Jan 18 23:02:17 in zhone that is Jan 18 23:03:01 zhone uses python-ecore Jan 18 23:03:06 python-ecore uses ecore Jan 18 23:03:13 ecore delegates to ecore-x11, if you are on x11 Jan 18 23:03:16 or ecore-fb, if on fb Jan 18 23:03:21 x11 delegates to tslib Jan 18 23:03:25 tslib uses the input device Jan 18 23:03:35 the stack ends with kernel L:) Jan 18 23:03:42 hm... I dont have any other elf app yet. So far I've got vala terminal and tangogps working ok Jan 18 23:04:21 tangogps and vala terminal work ok, so this point to elf libs Jan 18 23:04:48 yea Jan 18 23:04:57 try equisite Jan 18 23:04:57 the touch is registered (by highlighting button), but action isnt executed Jan 18 23:05:00 exquisite Jan 18 23:05:02 oh Jan 18 23:05:06 that's new information Jan 18 23:05:11 no it's not new :p Jan 18 23:05:15 well to me Jan 18 23:05:16 it was there before Jan 18 23:05:24 k, still i have no idea Jan 18 23:05:30 what does the debug output say? Jan 18 23:05:31 yaay :pp Jan 18 23:05:31 ok Jan 18 23:05:39 let me run it from the console Jan 18 23:08:12 ok firstly is starts ok: http://pastebin.com/m32b61a9e Jan 18 23:08:32 but when I press the button it changes IDLE STATE = busy Jan 18 23:08:36 and that's it Jan 18 23:08:41 no other output Jan 18 23:09:37 can I enable extra debug somehow? Jan 18 23:10:28 i don't think so Jan 18 23:10:35 does it hang in retrieve messagebook? Jan 18 23:10:45 nope (I skipped it) Jan 18 23:10:45 is there more after waiting a bit more? Jan 18 23:10:50 ah Jan 18 23:10:57 sorry I should have mention that Jan 18 23:11:02 well, looks like zhone does not get any touches Jan 18 23:11:13 can you try without running framework in the background? Jan 18 23:11:21 sure Jan 18 23:12:10 http://pastebin.com/m375d74a7 Jan 18 23:13:02 when I press any of two non-greyed buttons - it highlights them, but nothing happens (same as before) Jan 18 23:14:16 hmm, bummer. i guess i'm out of ideas Jan 18 23:14:18 you could strace it Jan 18 23:14:23 well no Jan 18 23:14:25 that won't get you anything Jan 18 23:14:31 we already know it receives the click Jan 18 23:14:43 you should try one of the python-efl examples Jan 18 23:17:28 mickeyl: thanks. Will try that than Jan 18 23:36:52 if libframeworkd-phonegui-efl failes to compile now, blame me Jan 18 23:41:44 now, next issue, the etk windows I get from ophonekitd when ran on host are just blank.. suspect theme issue Jan 18 23:58:37 raster, I summon you! Jan 18 23:59:39 * raster rises out of the ground in a burst of flames and flying brimstone pieces. the smell of sulfur permeates the air. Jan 18 23:59:42 *dances with Dave around a big fire while we scream "raster"* Jan 18 23:59:42 YES Jan 18 23:59:48 hahaha Jan 18 23:59:51 damn, it worked Jan 18 23:59:59 Raster, what do you think about this, for a media box? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121353 Jan 19 00:00:03 Do you like? Jan 19 00:00:17 I need raster too Jan 19 00:00:19 You called me forth... puny human! Jan 19 00:00:27 :) Jan 19 00:01:06 you know efl a bit, right? Jan 19 00:01:12 Dave: way too big and power-sucking. Jan 19 00:01:16 I run ophonekitd on the host (I'm uber cool) Jan 19 00:01:18 mw|: no. know nothing. Jan 19 00:01:21 i'm a moron Jan 19 00:01:43 somehow, I fail to believe that :-p Jan 19 00:02:04 and I trigged the PIN dialogs Jan 19 00:02:09 and I get a window Jan 19 00:02:28 the size is about the size of the screen would be on the freerunner Jan 19 00:02:35 :P Jan 19 00:02:58 raster, boo Jan 19 00:03:04 but the entire window is white, and it looks like all the buttons are squished up into the top 5 lines Jan 19 00:03:07 that's not what I wanted to hear Jan 19 00:03:35 however, ./elementary_test works :-p Jan 19 00:04:03 on qvga? Jan 19 00:07:44 tmzt: who do you ask? Jan 19 00:08:21 mw|: you I guess since you said it looks like it would a freerunner (vga) Jan 19 00:09:28 oh, you run on the host Jan 19 00:09:47 you can use Xnest or Xoo, etc. Jan 19 00:11:10 mw|: never seen it do that Jan 19 00:18:18 I found the issue I think Jan 19 00:18:33 the code uses hardcoded paths to where the theme data etc. is Jan 19 00:18:39 which missmatches automake Jan 19 00:21:51 does anyone get random empty messages from 129 dated 1.01.1970, 00:00 ? Jan 19 00:32:10 *commited* Jan 19 00:32:14 time for sleep Jan 19 00:32:51 (new issue when running on non-moko-hardware... there is now way to enter the pin-code.. just OK and DELETE buttons are visible) Jan 19 00:37:19 http://mywave.homelinux.org/Screenshot.png Jan 19 00:38:55 who committed you? Jan 19 00:40:20 myself :-p Jan 19 00:40:41 but now, taken the dog out for a shit, then going to bed myself soon 0135 AM here Jan 19 00:40:57 what is the dialog I screenshoted supposed to look like ? Jan 19 00:41:10 (I've never had it working on the moko... never had time to figure out why) Jan 19 00:53:54 hahaha Jan 19 00:54:00 poor mw Jan 19 00:57:54 and poor mw|dog :) Jan 19 00:58:12 has to wait till 1.35 AM to take a dump... Jan 19 00:58:41 Yeah. It's cold outside, and dark... Jan 19 00:58:57 frozen poop is easier to scoop! Jan 19 01:09:26 hahaha Jan 19 01:11:12 raster: got a sec? i'm getting some odd behavior from a couple elm widgets Jan 19 01:16:43 AntonTakk1: now.. bad time. about to go off to lunch... Jan 19 01:16:53 but... Jan 19 01:17:01 if u find strange behavior - things that will help me Jan 19 01:17:05 write a small tet case Jan 19 01:17:06 :) Jan 19 01:18:36 i assume test case = very small program to display the odd behavior? Jan 19 01:21:42 Anton! Jan 19 01:22:34 hey dave Jan 19 01:22:40 hows it goin? Jan 19 01:27:07 Slowly Jan 19 01:27:10 looking at laptops Jan 19 01:29:00 yeah? what type are you thinking about getting? Jan 19 01:51:29 haha no idea Jan 19 01:51:33 I've been trying to narrow it down Jan 19 01:51:40 right now I'm looking at lenovo Jan 19 01:51:57 I've always thought they're fugly, but hey, they're cheaper and functional now Jan 19 01:52:19 yeah, and some of them have great *nix support Jan 19 01:54:40 heh Jan 19 01:54:47 I'm more interested in battery life Jan 19 01:54:53 and overall non-shittiness Jan 19 01:54:56 ah Jan 19 01:54:58 but I just need something Jan 19 01:55:01 it's not a big purchase Jan 19 01:57:10 Unless you have a better suggestion, Anton? Jan 19 01:57:22 HP is pretty awesome too actually, especially with there warranties apparently. Jan 19 01:57:37 and dell, well... DELL.... grr ¬_¬ Jan 19 01:58:29 yeah Jan 19 01:58:56 actually, i saw a lenovo that iirc claimed 13 hours on battery, but gave no specifics Jan 19 02:02:26 right Jan 19 02:02:32 dell claims 19hr on it's ULV Jan 19 02:02:58 but the fine print says that's WITH a solid-state drive, 9-cell battery, AND battery slice apparently :\ Jan 19 02:03:01 assy Jan 19 02:03:20 and macbook pros are just, well, macs for one, and 3 grand Jan 19 02:03:34 and they're macs Jan 19 02:03:35 :p Jan 19 02:04:27 hehe Jan 19 02:04:37 personally, i'm a toshiba fan Jan 19 02:05:35 I'm a fan of toshiba's hardware Jan 19 02:05:41 but not their notebooks Jan 19 02:05:52 :P Jan 19 02:05:55 funny Jan 19 02:06:03 I'll take their disk drives, but that's about it Jan 19 02:06:13 and maybe a module here or there Jan 19 02:06:26 i have had 5 toshiba laptops, never failed me once Jan 19 02:07:48 I've had two, both melted Jan 19 02:08:09 but I liked their rma dept for data so much, I got a contract with them :P Jan 19 02:08:12 wow Jan 19 02:08:27 since I was returning drives to them every ten months like clockwork :) Jan 19 02:08:52 generally their new notebooks seem fine Jan 19 02:09:03 but I'm not particularly partial to their designs Jan 19 02:09:14 I'm sure they work great though :P Jan 19 02:09:38 heh Jan 19 02:10:27 Damn, why do Lenovos have to be so goddamn fugly Jan 19 02:10:33 they've reused the same design from 1995 Jan 19 02:10:43 don't get me wrong, that was a great year... haha Jan 19 02:10:50 i thought they looked nice Jan 19 02:10:54 I mean we got the tag and all Jan 19 02:11:06 Anton, I also cannot stand the nipples (mouse pointers) Jan 19 02:11:10 nice mat black case Jan 19 02:11:15 I will never buy one with it Jan 19 02:11:19 so I saw they had the IdeaPads Jan 19 02:11:22 some don't hve it Jan 19 02:11:27 but they're not as sweet Jan 19 02:11:34 also, ultra-gloss repulses me :D Jan 19 02:11:54 at the risk of going overboard....you don't like having nipples on your keyboard? Jan 19 02:12:03 Absolutely not. Jan 19 02:12:08 :P Jan 19 02:12:11 hehe Jan 19 02:12:18 Actually I had one old thinkpad Jan 19 02:12:29 I pulled it out with a needle-nose Jan 19 02:12:33 haha Jan 19 02:15:48 Anton, I'm actually very partial to the Sager line of PCs Jan 19 02:16:02 but I just don't want one this time - I really don't need power :P Jan 19 02:16:21 sager? Jan 19 02:18:50 Yeah, they're a small company, check them out sometime Jan 19 02:19:02 Incidentally one of my uncles reps for them :] Jan 19 02:19:22 two of my former notebooks were sagers, they're good Jan 19 02:19:53 Man, won't somebody create a new battery technology already Jan 19 02:20:03 This is getting tedious. :P Jan 19 02:20:13 * Dave rolls his eyes at his discharged freerunner Jan 19 02:20:17 here's a scary laptop: http://www.tadpolecomputer.com/products/notebooks/viper.asp Jan 19 02:20:54 o_O Jan 19 02:21:19 also LAWL @ the fact it's viper.ASP Jan 19 02:21:21 get it? :P Jan 19 02:21:26 yes Jan 19 02:21:28 * Dave hides Jan 19 02:21:57 First of all, WHO WOULD BUY THIS? Jan 19 02:22:09 Second, SXGA? Holy hotness batman, who do I give my money to!? Jan 19 02:23:51 hehe Jan 19 02:24:26 Dave: people would have a hard time "borrowing" your laptop w/o permission Jan 19 02:24:52 "how do i get in to windows!?" Jan 19 02:26:40 they already do? Jan 19 02:27:00 heh Jan 19 02:27:03 they're like, what is this login screen? and where's X? Jan 19 02:27:10 Bwahahahahahaha Jan 19 02:27:42 i like e as a wm, with a plain black bg, and nothing else visible on screen Jan 19 02:28:23 hand them my laptop, theyre like "wtf! did it crash!?" Jan 19 02:29:25 I use flux, and users are like, where's the start bar Jan 19 02:29:37 then they're like, what happened to the desktop, where are all the icons? Jan 19 02:29:54 yep Jan 19 02:30:05 then I launch something and their next response is, hey, what happened to the loading screen? Jan 19 02:30:08 :p Jan 19 02:30:14 hehe Jan 19 02:54:39 Anton, hey, I could run OM on it :P Jan 19 02:54:54 it's funny because even on a multicore machine it runs like shit :D Jan 19 02:55:04 (besides the fact it only is able to utilize one) Jan 19 02:56:44 heh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 19 02:59:57 2009