**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 19 02:59:57 2009
Jan 19 03:09:59 <AntonTakk1> that's what we need, quad core arm in a phone!  hehe
Jan 19 03:14:00 <Dave> :D
Jan 19 03:14:12 <Dave> Needs more flux capacitors.
Jan 19 06:14:12 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: bad, bad boy! Task borker! :-)
Jan 19 06:38:35 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: hehe, yep thats me.... bork. bork. bork
Jan 19 06:50:42 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: for the locales, it's weird
Jan 19 06:50:44 <Ainulindale> it shouldn't do that
Jan 19 06:50:58 <Ainulindale> mw|_'s work was working nicely
Jan 19 06:53:57 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yeah, I think this might as well be borken in OE
Jan 19 06:55:33 <Ainulindale> Not sure about that
Jan 19 06:56:15 <Ainulindale> Did you apply mw|_'s latest patch?
Jan 19 06:56:46 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: ping
Jan 19 06:56:49 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yeah, moved it from minimal-x to task-minimal
Jan 19 06:57:03 <Ainulindale> Ah, he did apply his patch
Jan 19 06:57:27 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yep (which conflicted with my task borking activity ;)
Jan 19 06:57:50 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: well
Jan 19 06:57:58 <Ainulindale> I'd suggest you bump up PR locally
Jan 19 06:58:00 <Ainulindale> and see what it does
Jan 19 06:58:05 <Ainulindale> my guess is, it will work fine
Jan 19 06:58:23 <Ainulindale> I can try it optionally
Jan 19 06:58:42 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: bump up the PR of the minimal task?
Jan 19 07:00:04 <Ainulindale> Exactly
Jan 19 07:00:37 <Ainulindale> set PV to 2 in fact
Jan 19 07:00:43 <Ainulindale> It's necessary
Jan 19 07:00:51 <Ainulindale> else the old ipk for the tasks are there
Jan 19 07:01:00 <Ainulindale> And it's "unstable" after that
Jan 19 07:01:25 <mrmoku> (might be correct then... at least that is what its called ;)
Jan 19 07:01:44 <Ainulindale> Yep, I confirm
Jan 19 07:01:46 <Ainulindale> http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=openembedded/packages/tasks/task-shr-minimal-x.bb;h=0cedebbccb87d2ae073fc1ce93d42dd57887a15a;hb=2efee38326d29e0910005176a4106012fe87e2b3
Jan 19 07:01:50 <Ainulindale> see PV/PR
Jan 19 07:02:26 <Ainulindale> In order to have a proper result, before your modification, you should have deleted any task package as well as package cache
Jan 19 07:02:33 <Ainulindale> To help that, bump PV
Jan 19 07:03:26 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: IIRC correctly I remove the stamps for the tasks and cleaned the image... was not enough then.
Jan 19 07:03:46 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I never quite got the hang of what was necessary to delete and so forth
Jan 19 07:03:54 <Ainulindale> In the end I even had ccache problems
Jan 19 07:04:07 <Ainulindale> So bump PV and forget about it :-)
Jan 19 07:04:17 <Ainulindale> Try it locally, commit it if it works
Jan 19 07:04:24 <mrmoku> mrmoku: this is one part why OE is frustrating me... swimming in the dark :-)
Jan 19 07:04:25 <Ainulindale> You should have to recompile only the task
Jan 19 07:04:27 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: ok, will do
Jan 19 07:04:28 <Ainulindale> then get the ipk
Jan 19 07:04:32 <Ainulindale> un-ar it
Jan 19 07:04:35 <Ainulindale> check control
Jan 19 07:04:38 <Ainulindale> and see what it depends on
Jan 19 07:04:44 <Ainulindale> and stop talking to yourself
Jan 19 07:05:28 <mrmoku> hehe, you were not around this weekend... so I got used to it ;)
Jan 19 07:05:37 <Ainulindale> well
Jan 19 07:05:51 <Ainulindale> I spent friday evening drinking with a friend who dumped his girlfriend unwillingly
Jan 19 07:05:58 <Ainulindale> Went at his place at 19h
Jan 19 07:06:03 <Ainulindale> Came back at mine at 9h
Jan 19 07:06:19 <Ainulindale> So I spent most of saturday coping with my eyes being closed
Jan 19 07:06:28 <Ainulindale> Then yesterday I was away playing cards with friends
Jan 19 07:06:33 <Ainulindale> So I was a bit busy
Jan 19 07:06:39 <mrmoku> :-)
Jan 19 07:07:51 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I'm too old to do an all nighter it seems
Jan 19 07:08:04 <Ainulindale> Even though I didn't drink that much I was utterly exhausted
Jan 19 07:09:59 <Ainulindale> ARGH!!!!!!!
Jan 19 07:10:03 <Ainulindale> gotos in ophonekitd
Jan 19 07:10:05 <Ainulindale> OMFG
Jan 19 07:10:09 <Ainulindale> I'm going to kill ptitjes 
Jan 19 07:22:02 * mrmoku remembers the days hacking all night long until dawn without being exhausted... long time ago :P
Jan 19 07:26:06 * mwester gently wacks anti-goto-ists over the head with the Linux kernel source code
Jan 19 07:28:25 <Ainulindale> mwester: see the code, and judge by yourself
Jan 19 07:28:30 <Ainulindale> http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr.git;a=blob;f=ophonekitd/src/ophonekitd-phonelog.c;h=e9ebae4aefcaca473092c9aa10d507069d256bcf;hb=HEAD
Jan 19 07:28:35 <Ainulindale> If you tell me goto is wise here
Jan 19 07:28:39 <Ainulindale> Then I won't talk to you ever again :-)
Jan 19 07:36:34 <Ainulindale> Ok, I hopefully fixed a segfault in ophonekitd.
Jan 19 07:36:43 <Ainulindale> Now, database locking.
Jan 19 07:40:17 * mrmoku is trying to unbork tasks
Jan 19 07:40:41 <mwester> if (conditional where the side effect is the whole point || another conditional where a different side effect is the whole point || yet another conditional where the side effect of that one is the whole point || still yet another one that does something vital with the db as a side effect) { result = Utter and total confusion, worthy of notable mention in the obfuscated C coding contest }
Jan 19 07:40:46 <mwester> Sigh.
Jan 19 07:42:42 <Ainulindale> mwester: that's what I modified it by
Jan 19 07:42:47 <Ainulindale> Before it was if(thing) goto
Jan 19 07:42:51 <Ainulindale> if(thing2) goto
Jan 19 07:43:00 <Ainulindale> excuse me but in these tasks there's a logical progress
Jan 19 07:43:22 <mwester> logical progess is indicated by:
Jan 19 07:43:23 <mwester> statement
Jan 19 07:43:23 <Ainulindale> The first which fails makes everything fail
Jan 19 07:43:31 <mwester> if error condition
Jan 19 07:43:34 <mwester> statement 2
Jan 19 07:43:37 <mwester> if error condition
Jan 19 07:43:46 <Ainulindale> I disagree :-)
Jan 19 07:44:02 * mrmoku --> office
Jan 19 07:44:08 <PaulFertser> I agree with mwester, side effects inside conditional are confusing.
Jan 19 07:44:17 <Ainulindale> which side effects?
Jan 19 07:44:21 <Ainulindale> There is no side effect here
Jan 19 07:44:22 <mwester> not in a if whose intent on first glance seems to be to determine if we have an error ---  OOOPS!  I look more closely and I see that it does, in fact, do stuff with the database inside the conditional.
Jan 19 07:44:25 <PaulFertser> Calling functions
Jan 19 07:44:47 <Ainulindale> mwester: that's what it was doing in the first place
Jan 19 07:44:55 <PaulFertser> That modify the database.
Jan 19 07:44:57 <Ainulindale> no point to do that in gotos, anyway
Jan 19 07:45:06 <Ainulindale> you may or may not like my way to do it
Jan 19 07:45:13 <Ainulindale> but doing it using gotos is just plain stupid to me
Jan 19 07:45:19 <mwester> But hey, I'm happy things are getting done, I'm not here to criticise something as trivial as coding style :)
Jan 19 07:45:32 <Ainulindale> mwester: yeah, because you've got old conventions :-p
Jan 19 07:45:47 <mwester> Yep, my brain is petrified.
Jan 19 07:46:06 <Ainulindale> mwester: and more seriously
Jan 19 07:46:12 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: it's you who's using an old language. Old language -> old proven conventions. ;)
Jan 19 07:46:16 <Ainulindale> I'm used to do that, always did like that :-)
Jan 19 07:46:24 <Ainulindale> T-t-t :-)
Jan 19 07:46:39 <Ainulindale> I just quickly hacked it to prevent the gotos which I found stupid
Jan 19 07:46:44 <Ainulindale> And I don't like gotos no matter what
Jan 19 07:46:55 <Ainulindale> Even though I'm sure a bunch of people will disagree :-)
Jan 19 07:47:01 <mwester> Ok, then put it in a function and use returns.
Jan 19 07:47:13 <mwester> That's even better :)
Jan 19 07:47:15 <Ainulindale> put what?
Jan 19 07:47:23 <mwester> The string of db operations.
Jan 19 07:47:33 <Ainulindale> I'd have done that that way
Jan 19 07:47:39 <mwester> Me too
Jan 19 07:47:41 <Ainulindale> But I just did a quick & dirty hack for a segfault
Jan 19 07:47:45 <Ainulindale> And saw the gotos
Jan 19 07:47:58 <Ainulindale> He might as well have shown me a red flag
Jan 19 07:48:15 <Ainulindale> (That means I'm either a bull or a communist sociopath)
Jan 19 07:48:21 <mwester> It's late, and I must sleep.  And because of this, I'll almost certainly have dreams about "goto" statements.  :P
Jan 19 07:48:28 <Ainulindale> Heh :-)
Jan 19 07:48:46 <Ainulindale> TAsn: ping
Jan 19 07:48:49 <Ainulindale> Need your opinion
Jan 19 07:49:00 <mwester> Hmm... I wonder if I will be permitted to "goto work;" in the morning....
Jan 19 07:49:37 <mwester> Anyway, enjoy Monday!
Jan 19 07:49:38 <mwester> :)
Jan 19 07:50:15 <Ainulindale> mwester: you found a job?
Jan 19 07:50:51 <mwester> Yes, a month ago :)  I am happily employed, which is a good thing for my mortgage payments.
Jan 19 07:50:58 <Ainulindale> Congrats then
Jan 19 07:51:00 <Ainulindale> I didn't know :-)
Jan 19 07:51:58 <mwester> That's why I've not been around so much these past few weeks.  And I leave for 10 days of travel on Tuesday, so even less will get done.
Jan 19 07:52:26 <mwester> (just try building OE on a 1.4GHz single-core laptop!)
Jan 19 07:52:45 <mwester> Anyway, must go... see you later!
Jan 19 07:52:56 <Ainulindale> See you
Jan 19 07:56:41 <Sargun> o.O
Jan 19 07:56:49 <Sargun> GOTO work;
Jan 19 08:02:50 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: currently regenerating an image with updated ophonekitd
Jan 19 08:02:56 <Ainulindale> and PV bumped
Jan 19 08:17:56 <spaetz> what causes the screen to go blank in SHR/Illume?
Jan 19 08:18:11 <spaetz> I disabled suspend. Then I set the illume preferences to never go blank
Jan 19 08:18:31 <Ainulindale> Frameworkd does that
Jan 19 08:18:33 <spaetz> but the screen still darkens after about 10 sec and goes blank 5 secs after
Jan 19 08:18:41 <Ainulindale> That's normal, that's frameworkd
Jan 19 08:18:53 <spaetz> ok, so I'll have a look around frameworkd to see how I can disable it.
Jan 19 08:19:00 <Ainulindale> well two choices
Jan 19 08:19:01 <spaetz> quite annoying while running tangogps
Jan 19 08:19:18 <Ainulindale> Waiting for shr-settings to handle that
Jan 19 08:19:31 <Ainulindale> And in between
Jan 19 08:19:32 <Ainulindale> use mdbus
Jan 19 08:19:52 <spaetz> is there a command to disable screen blanking?
Jan 19 08:20:06 <Ainulindale> mdbus org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/IdleNotifier/0 org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.SetTimeout idle_dim -1
Jan 19 08:20:09 <spaetz> sorry for being so dumb, I own my Moko since about 5 days
Jan 19 08:20:19 <Ainulindale> what made you choose SHR?
Jan 19 08:20:27 <spaetz> cool thanks, that save me quite some googling.
Jan 19 08:20:43 <spaetz> I started out with 2008.12, but that was quite annoying
Jan 19 08:20:44 <Ainulindale> If it doesn't work there are other states
Jan 19 08:20:48 <Ainulindale> Why?
Jan 19 08:21:04 <Ainulindale> (idle_dim should work)
Jan 19 08:21:06 <Ainulindale> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier.html;hb=HEAD
Jan 19 08:21:10 <Ainulindale> the other states are described here
Jan 19 08:21:59 <spaetz> Basically, the terminal drove me nuts. (Although I managed to install an alternative terminal). I still have 2008.12 on the NAND but I book SHR from the SD card
Jan 19 08:22:26 <spaetz> faster booting, and if I remember correctly, I couldn't get tangoGPS to run in 2008.12 or something
Jan 19 08:23:08 <Ainulindale> SHR boots faster?
Jan 19 08:23:16 <Ainulindale> I didn't even know that
Jan 19 08:23:19 <Ainulindale> ANd I'm supposed to be the leader
Jan 19 08:23:21 <Ainulindale> Damn
Jan 19 08:23:52 <spaetz> hehe. If you want, I can do some wall clock timing
Jan 19 08:24:13 <spaetz> Ainulindale: ahh, before SHR, I went through FSO
Jan 19 08:24:43 <spaetz> and found that nice, but the default image lacks graphics nowadays, and installing graphics still led to a rather unpolished OS
Jan 19 08:25:00 <Ainulindale> Well SHR is mostly FSO plus stuff
Jan 19 08:25:07 <spaetz> then I found SHR which gives the most polished look and a nice access to the terminal
Jan 19 08:25:14 <spaetz> Ainulindale: I understand that
Jan 19 08:26:31 <spaetz> Now, I only need to add tweaks to 1)easily rotate the screen (xrandr -o right), to) make the terminal keyboard the default rather than the predictive
Jan 19 08:26:54 <spaetz> 3) and a WLAN config program. then I am pretty happy :-)
Jan 19 08:27:51 <Ainulindale> for the 1st one there's an easy solution (omnewrotate)
Jan 19 08:28:00 <Ainulindale> for the 3rd this is one of the goals of shr-settings
Jan 19 08:28:07 <Ainulindale> for the 2nd, I have no idea
Jan 19 08:28:51 <spaetz> loos like shr-settings is something i should be looking into
Jan 19 08:32:42 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: may i ask you a licensing question? FSO proposes itself as a "reference implementation", but i don't think any other implementations will come anytime soon. Does it mean that any application specifically developed for FSO constitutes a derivative work and therefore should be GPL'd?
Jan 19 08:33:04 <Ainulindale> Well, no
Jan 19 08:33:11 <Ainulindale> frameworkd offers dbus primitives
Jan 19 08:33:44 <Ainulindale> You ship it, you have to ship the sources and allow a way to replace it
Jan 19 08:33:49 <Ainulindale> But you don't have to do GPL over it
Jan 19 08:33:55 <PaulFertser> Why is it really different from dynamic linking?
Jan 19 08:33:55 <Ainulindale> (even though SHR is GPL/LGPL°
Jan 19 08:34:13 <Ainulindale> To me, yes
Jan 19 08:34:17 <Ainulindale> It is thoroughly discutable
Jan 19 08:34:24 <Ainulindale> And if there's a problem with it
Jan 19 08:34:29 <Ainulindale> I'm sure the FSO team would release it LGPL
Jan 19 08:35:48 <PaulFertser> Instead of forcing all the consumers to go GPL? Weird.
Jan 19 08:36:04 <Ainulindale> Well, I think it's wiser
Jan 19 08:36:08 <Ainulindale> But I'm not mickey|zzZZzz :-)
Jan 19 08:36:32 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: to me, it would be difficult to make something a standard if it's not LGPL, for the reasons we know
Jan 19 08:36:52 <Ainulindale> But that's only my opinion
Jan 19 08:37:28 <spaetz> Ainulindale: last question, is connman-plugin-wifi supposed to no work? I have a connection manager shelf gadget, I click settings, an d "networks" and it reliably just closes the window
Jan 19 08:38:23 <kW> Hello, are there any plans to make the openmoko linux kernel tickless (in order to save power)?
Jan 19 08:39:17 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: You know, i think there's no way that FSO becomes standard among major players anyway. Regardless of the licences. You see the trend? Android, LiMo, closed ezx, some other questionable projects... imho there's no sense in trying to catch a bigger market, but it'd be great to make FSO to serve wider GPL adoptance.
Jan 19 08:39:39 <PaulFertser> kW: I guess nobody here can answer this. 
Jan 19 08:40:04 <PaulFertser> kW: Official kernel plans are announced and discussed on the ML, i guess.
Jan 19 08:40:06 <Ainulindale> spaetz: no idea :-)
Jan 19 08:40:28 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: well, I see you're as cynical as I am
Jan 19 08:40:29 <kW> PaulFertser: I see... (although I was more interested in "inofficial" information... ;-))
Jan 19 08:40:39 <spaetz> Ainulindale: ok, thanks anyway. you'll see me more often in here in the future :-)
Jan 19 08:40:58 <PaulFertser> kW: Ask Andy unofficially then ;) Have never seen him on IRC :)
Jan 19 08:41:15 <Ainulindale> spaetz: Good =)
Jan 19 08:41:47 <kW> PaulFertser: that's a pity (or good, if it makes people more productive... ;-))
Jan 19 08:44:45 * mrmoku hides because he is thinking the rebuild wont work
Jan 19 08:45:17 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: rebuild worked
Jan 19 08:45:22 <Ainulindale> Depends: task-x11-illume, task-fonts-truetype-core, glibc-utils, glibc-charmap-utf-8, e-wm-config-illume-shr, e-wm-theme-illume-shr, glibc-binary-localedata-en-us
Jan 19 08:45:27 <Ainulindale> I did the modifications
Jan 19 08:45:38 <Ainulindale> Currently ending the build.
Jan 19 08:45:58 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: You have a bad point for not realizing that sooner. Three bad points and it's a spanking.
Jan 19 08:46:10 <Ainulindale> Five bad points, and you'll have to talk with Dave drunk.
Jan 19 08:46:17 <Ainulindale> (For two hours)
Jan 19 08:46:36 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: how does one get bonus points?
Jan 19 08:46:47 * mrmoku is frightend of a drunken Dave
Jan 19 08:46:59 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: by producing working things :-)
Jan 19 08:50:52 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: currently almost done
Jan 19 08:50:59 <Ainulindale> do configure of shr-lite-image
Jan 19 08:51:17 <Ainulindale> I'll flash it afterwards.
Jan 19 08:51:28 <Ainulindale> Do I need to flash modules with latest changes?
Jan 19 08:54:58 <Ainulindale> Sheesh, task failed. Which one it is? :-)
Jan 19 08:57:02 <Ainulindale> ++ find ./usr/share/applications -name '*.desktop'
Jan 19 08:57:02 <Ainulindale> find: `./usr/share/applications': No such file or directory
Jan 19 08:57:06 <Ainulindale> that's weir
Jan 19 08:57:06 <Ainulindale> +d
Jan 19 08:58:52 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: what did you dooooo!
Jan 19 09:00:22 * mrmoku is passing Dave a bottle of beer to get drunk :-)
Jan 19 09:00:48 <Ainulindale> That's weird because tinderbox log says it's fine
Jan 19 09:01:26 <mrmoku> its the post-rootfs script... hmm
Jan 19 09:01:35 <Ainulindale> yes, it never failed before
Jan 19 09:01:42 <Ainulindale> I'm afraid that the rootfs is borked
Jan 19 09:03:49 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: want me to flash it :P
Jan 19 09:04:11 <Ainulindale> Well, I'm cleaning the image
Jan 19 09:07:33 <Ainulindale> it's slow as hell
Jan 19 09:09:21 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yeah, noticed that too the last days
Jan 19 09:12:22 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: just told it to bearstech
Jan 19 09:14:08 <mrmoku> ok :-)
Jan 19 09:20:12 <Ainulindale> Same error mrmoku 
Jan 19 09:20:33 <Ainulindale> see http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/3131581.txt
Jan 19 09:21:19 <Ainulindale> I think you may have utterly borked the image =)
Jan 19 09:21:46 <Ainulindale> Ah. Understood.
Jan 19 09:21:48 <Ainulindale> BAD BAD MRMOKU
Jan 19 09:23:27 <mrmoku> enlighten me :-)
Jan 19 09:23:39 <mrmoku> before drinking with Dave
Jan 19 09:23:56 <Ainulindale> see shr-image.inc
Jan 19 09:24:00 <Ainulindale> And wonder what's missing
Jan 19 09:27:50 <mrmoku> you mean the DEPEND?
Jan 19 09:27:52 <Ainulindale> Now see the diff
Jan 19 09:28:55 <Ainulindale> So? :-)
Jan 19 09:30:26 <mrmoku> sub-packages... hmm yeah :(
Jan 19 09:30:56 <Ainulindale> heh :-)
Jan 19 09:31:02 <Ainulindale> for the task dependencies
Jan 19 09:31:09 <Ainulindale> MACHINE etc is machine dependant
Jan 19 09:31:17 <Ainulindale> so it should be on the image generation or in a task machine dependant
Jan 19 09:31:25 <Ainulindale> and for the task dependencies
Jan 19 09:31:32 <Ainulindale> I'd rather see them in the image itself
Jan 19 09:31:38 <Ainulindale> Don't know what the best practices are
Jan 19 09:35:06 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: though this problem tells me one thing
Jan 19 09:35:10 <Ainulindale> You should test your stuff! :-)
Jan 19 09:41:34 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: I should learn to correctly test within OE
Jan 19 09:41:44 <Ainulindale> heh :-)
Jan 19 09:41:49 <mrmoku> I built, and built, and built.... old stuff :(
Jan 19 09:42:00 <Ainulindale> to be sure, remove stamps and package, of tasks and image, bump PR, and see what happens
Jan 19 09:42:24 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: rm tmp/stamps/*/task-shr* tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/*/task-shr*
Jan 19 09:42:26 <Ainulindale> then image
Jan 19 09:42:31 <Ainulindale> and you're good to go
Jan 19 09:42:51 <Ainulindale> + rm './etc/rcS.d/06mdev*'
Jan 19 09:42:51 <Ainulindale> rm: cannot remove `./etc/rcS.d/06mdev*': No such file or directory
Jan 19 09:43:24 <Ainulindale> Seems it doesn't exist anymore.
Jan 19 09:45:27 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yep... thought I pushed that though
Jan 19 09:49:47 * mrmoku has to do some work now :(
Jan 19 10:01:08 <PaulFertser_> Hm, something strange i have here. Can't start the muxer because the modem doesn't respond. cat /dev/ttySAC0 quits immediately. Can anyone spare his stty -g -F /dev/ttySAC0 output? Can it help at all? 
Jan 19 10:08:58 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: rootfs here
Jan 19 10:16:32 <Ainulindale> will test it immediately
Jan 19 10:19:20 <beniwtv> Anyone got dbus-hlid to compile sucessfully? I get this error: src/obj.vala:51.9-51.48: error: class creation methods only allow property assignment statements <new line> debug( "introspection object created" );
Jan 19 10:30:21 <mrmoku> ok... back in home office now :-)
Jan 19 10:30:48 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: currently flashing here
Jan 19 10:31:08 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: say what you want... I will build some 'make clean' functionality into the makefile
Jan 19 10:31:08 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: see? I just have to touch it a bit and all is working! :-p
Jan 19 10:31:21 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: to do what?
Jan 19 10:31:24 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: hehe :-)
Jan 19 10:31:35 <mrmoku> those rm /tmp/stamps/ things
Jan 19 10:31:39 <mrmoku> clean the image
Jan 19 10:31:46 <mrmoku> make sure it gets the tasks rebuilt
Jan 19 10:31:54 <Ainulindale> well it's coincidental you know
Jan 19 10:33:02 <Ainulindale> booting
Jan 19 10:33:15 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I hopefully fixed the phonelog segfault in ophonekitd too
Jan 19 10:33:20 * mrmoku keeps his fingers crossed
Jan 19 10:33:33 <Ainulindale> (udev is lengthy)
Jan 19 10:33:48 <Ainulindale> couldn't load modules.dep
Jan 19 10:34:07 <Ainulindale> hmmm
Jan 19 10:34:09 <mrmoku> hehe... rootfs does not fit your kernel?
Jan 19 10:34:23 <Ainulindale> I didn't  flash the modules, was I supposed to?
Jan 19 10:34:34 <mrmoku> no... but maybe the kernel?
Jan 19 10:34:41 <Ainulindale> I flashed it
Jan 19 10:34:55 <mrmoku> hmm, then I don't understand
Jan 19 10:34:58 <Ainulindale> I'm not that dumb :-)
Jan 19 10:35:09 <Ainulindale> It configures an awful lot of things at boot 
Jan 19 10:35:36 <Ainulindale> too many modules
Jan 19 10:36:52 <mrmoku> yeah, firstboot is almost endless :-)
Jan 19 10:37:10 <mrmoku> (doubly because you want to know if it works)
Jan 19 10:37:29 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: btw. there is another problem (which might not be a problem, don't know)
Jan 19 10:38:01 <mrmoku> it does not pull in our initscripts... but the openmoko ones instead
Jan 19 10:38:29 <mrmoku> brb
Jan 19 10:38:56 <tordo> moin
Jan 19 10:39:17 <tordo> any cool new images to try today?
Jan 19 10:43:54 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: enlightenment, 25% CPU
Jan 19 10:44:26 <mw|_> Ainulindale: what was the segfault in ophonekitd you saw?
Jan 19 10:44:39 <Ainulindale> mw|_: database locked
Jan 19 10:44:43 <Ainulindale> then sqlite3_free
Jan 19 10:44:47 <Ainulindale> which was wrong
Jan 19 10:44:57 <mw|_> aaah
Jan 19 10:45:45 <gromez> the touchscreen problem is fixed in the latest build ? (on the previous one, the touchscreen works only on second boot)
Jan 19 10:45:52 <Ainulindale> enlightenment uses 35% of the CPU, what's that?
Jan 19 10:46:08 <mw|> new theme I heard some rumors about
Jan 19 10:46:12 <mw|> ltrace it?
Jan 19 10:48:27 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yep, having that too :(
Jan 19 10:50:08 <mw|> do we have ltrace available in OE ?
Jan 19 10:51:09 <Ainulindale> well
Jan 19 10:51:12 <Ainulindale> At work I'm on windows
Jan 19 10:51:16 <Ainulindale> blue screen on USB
Jan 19 10:51:19 <Ainulindale> systematic
Jan 19 10:51:25 <mw|> XP ?
Jan 19 10:51:29 <Ainulindale> yes
Jan 19 10:51:38 <mw|> funny :-p
Jan 19 10:51:44 <Ainulindale> can't find where the software accel is on e
Jan 19 10:52:03 <mw|> mrmoku: can you check if OE has ltrace ?
Jan 19 10:52:31 <mrmoku> yep, its there
Jan 19 10:52:47 <Ainulindale> Could you please tell me where the software accel of e is located?
Jan 19 10:53:00 <mw|> mrmoku: which process consumes the 35% cpu?
Jan 19 10:53:11 <mw|> X? illume? the current selected program?
Jan 19 10:53:39 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: wrench -> scroll to extended -> engine
Jan 19 10:53:46 <Ainulindale> there's no extended
Jan 19 10:53:58 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: scroll to the right
Jan 19 10:53:58 <Ainulindale> Oh
Jan 19 10:54:04 <mw|> mrmoku, Ainulindale did you see the screenshot btw?
Jan 19 10:54:05 <Ainulindale> My bad, I didn't manage to scroll entirely to the right
Jan 19 10:54:06 <Ainulindale> Ah
Jan 19 10:54:11 <Ainulindale> e sigabrt
Jan 19 10:54:16 <mw|> mrmoku: is the look of the PIN dialog correct?
Jan 19 10:54:17 <Ainulindale> mw|: which
Jan 19 10:54:27 <mw|> http://mywave.homelinux.org/Screenshot.png
Jan 19 10:54:55 <mrmoku> tordo: you might not be interested in the new image... it works :P
Jan 19 10:55:12 <tordo> boooring :(
Jan 19 10:55:13 <Ainulindale> it doesn't work well
Jan 19 10:55:23 <tordo> i'm trying a different approach though, maybe that doesn't work
Jan 19 10:55:28 <tordo> i'm just opkg upgrading
Jan 19 10:55:38 <Ainulindale> I'd suggest not to do that
Jan 19 10:55:46 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: currently trying SOFTWARE_16
Jan 19 10:55:53 <Ainulindale> Can't remember which was good and which wasn't
Jan 19 10:56:30 <Ainulindale> mw|: weird
Jan 19 10:56:46 <mw|> Ainulindale: the screenshot?
Jan 19 10:57:01 <Ainulindale> yes
Jan 19 10:57:07 <Ainulindale> And what's that tool you're using?
Jan 19 10:57:10 <mw|> Ainulindale: what is it suppose to look like?
Jan 19 10:57:17 <Ainulindale> Like a pin keyboard :-)
Jan 19 10:57:23 <mw|> Ainulindale: frameworkd-fake   a non-finished tool
Jan 19 10:58:35 <Ainulindale> ok mrmoku that was that
Jan 19 10:58:39 <tordo> mrmoku: can i even do normal stuff like sending SMS-es and calling people with it?
Jan 19 10:59:02 <mrmoku> tordo: should work... at least I sent a SMS and did a call :-)
Jan 19 10:59:16 <tordo> damn
Jan 19 10:59:21 <Ainulindale> So, e conf for SHR should switch to SOFTWARE_16
Jan 19 10:59:26 <tordo> i took pride in having a phone that didn't work as a phone
Jan 19 10:59:34 <Ainulindale> Could someone do that and ask mrmoku to regenerate an image? :-)
Jan 19 10:59:53 <mw|> Ainulindale: Then I need to figure out why the pin-dialog is missing
Jan 19 11:00:12 <mw|> Ainulindale: I have patched libframework-phone-efl already in order to get any GUI at all
Jan 19 11:00:29 <Ainulindale> heh
Jan 19 11:00:34 <mw|> see git
Jan 19 11:00:44 <Ainulindale> well, for now I'm going to do some stuff
Jan 19 11:00:50 <Ainulindale> such as try if it BSOD again my computer
Jan 19 11:00:58 <Ainulindale> so if I'm not there, that's because it borked and I went and eat
Jan 19 11:01:09 <mw|> 
Jan 19 11:01:15 <mw|> http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr.git;a=commit;h=55463d8d415f45be4221ec27b1edef681e262681
Jan 19 11:01:19 * mrmoku will take Ainulindale's absence to collect minus points by borking stuff to satisfy tordo ;)
Jan 19 11:01:29 <tordo> <3
Jan 19 11:01:54 <tordo> bah
Jan 19 11:01:57 <tordo> class in 10 minutes
Jan 19 11:02:02 <tordo> and i'm still at breakfast
Jan 19 11:02:04 <mw|> lunch here
Jan 19 11:02:27 <tordo> wow, opkg upgrade actually reflashes the kernel automagically?
Jan 19 11:03:35 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: set "evas_engine_default" int: 3 ?
Jan 19 11:04:27 <tordo> about that initscripts thing, don't know if it's relevant
Jan 19 11:04:32 <tordo> but  * Package initscripts-openmoko wants to install file /etc/rc5.d/S99rmnologin But that file is already provided by package  * initscripts-shr
Jan 19 11:50:26 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: yes
Jan 19 11:50:29 <Ainulindale> and by the way
Jan 19 11:50:36 <Ainulindale> I can't understand why, but USB on windows = bork
Jan 19 11:56:18 <mirko> mirko-paroli: is there a function in paroli yet to display dialog/error-messages?
Jan 19 11:56:46 <mirko-paroli> mirko: nope, charlie said he was gonna work on a module for that
Jan 19 11:58:18 <mirko> do you know when we'll get it finished?
Jan 19 11:58:29 <mirko-paroli> mirko: just pinged charlie
Jan 19 11:58:37 <mirko-paroli> maybe he'll join us
Jan 19 11:58:48 <mirko> ah, ok, cool
Jan 19 12:00:09 <charlie137> hello
Jan 19 12:00:18 <Hire> http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/charliebrown.png <--- him?
Jan 19 12:00:21 <charlie137> someone had a question about paroli ?
Jan 19 12:00:35 <Hire> me not
Jan 19 12:01:03 <mirko> hey charlie137 :)
Jan 19 12:01:08 <charlie137> no him : http://www.megacalendars.com/images/Charlie_Chocolate%20_2630.jpg :)
Jan 19 12:01:23 <Hire> arrhhh
Jan 19 12:01:29 <Hire> non the remake of tim burton !
Jan 19 12:02:11 <charlie137> ahah, I wasn't aware of any other version
Jan 19 12:02:31 <Hire> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wHtv2B3nef4/SKWwfC1dw9I/AAAAAAAAAhI/AbxmbpFkb8k/s400/Gene+Wilder.jpg
Jan 19 12:02:35 <Hire> i prefer gene wilder :D
Jan 19 12:04:18 <charlie137> so no questions ?
Jan 19 12:04:44 <mirko> charlie137: i asked whether it is possible to display errors/dialogs within paroli
Jan 19 12:04:51 <charlie137> ah
Jan 19 12:04:54 <mirko> mirko-paroli: told me it's your part ;)
Jan 19 12:05:09 <Ainulindale> Damn, can't prevent the BSOD
Jan 19 12:05:22 <charlie137> ok, that is sure possible
Jan 19 12:05:35 <charlie137> your plan was to use a service for that right ?
Jan 19 12:05:57 <mirko-paroli> mirko : that was my plan
Jan 19 12:06:01 <mirko-paroli> sry
Jan 19 12:06:09 <mirko> i'm confused ^^
Jan 19 12:06:11 <mirko-paroli> charlie137: that was my plan, yes
Jan 19 12:06:19 <charlie137> so that plugin can start a dialog (from a tasklet) using 
Jan 19 12:06:19 <charlie137> yield tichy.Service('Dialog').error("Something wrong")
Jan 19 12:06:43 <mirko-paroli> charlie137 : that looks good to me
Jan 19 12:07:48 <mirko> the problem is see right now is, that malfunction of the fso-stack isn't really handled by paroli
Jan 19 12:08:03 <charlie137> yes
Jan 19 12:08:04 <mirko> it just crashes or continues (without retrying the failed part)
Jan 19 12:08:05 <Ainulindale> mirko: which malfunction?
Jan 19 12:08:14 <charlie137> any kind of error
Jan 19 12:08:21 <charlie137> may be SIM full for example
Jan 19 12:08:28 <Ainulindale> well that's normal
Jan 19 12:08:35 <mirko> e.g. when no sim-card is present (no error, just exception), when the device is not ready (just continues, exception in log - no retry)
Jan 19 12:08:38 <charlie137> yes, but paroli won't react at all to that
Jan 19 12:08:42 <Ainulindale> there's no point to retry something which failed automatically
Jan 19 12:08:51 <charlie137> yes, but at least get a message
Jan 19 12:08:52 <Ainulindale> (at least in frameworkd)
Jan 19 12:09:08 <Ainulindale> you have an error message if something failed, you just have to use it and display it
Jan 19 12:09:10 <mirko> Ainulindale: i'm not blaming Ainulindale
Jan 19 12:09:17 <mirko> at least not right now ;)
Jan 19 12:09:19 <Ainulindale> mirko: well you should not, I didn't do that =)
Jan 19 12:09:21 <charlie137> ah sorry understand your point. I don;t talk about bugs in FSO
Jan 19 12:09:41 <mirko> :%s/Ainulindale/frameworkd/g
Jan 19 12:09:46 <charlie137> but about normal error messages
Jan 19 12:09:50 <Ainulindale> mirko: sounds better =)
Jan 19 12:09:58 <mirko> Ainulindale: sry ;)
Jan 19 12:10:00 <Ainulindale> charlie137: and I'm talking about that too
Jan 19 12:10:03 <Ainulindale> If SIM is full
Jan 19 12:10:06 <Ainulindale> We display a message
Jan 19 12:10:10 <Ainulindale> (We = SHR)
Jan 19 12:10:14 <charlie137> indeed
Jan 19 12:10:16 <Ainulindale> because we catch the SIM full error
Jan 19 12:10:18 <charlie137> that is the correct thing to do
Jan 19 12:10:26 <charlie137> and so should we do
Jan 19 12:10:29 <mirko> that's my point - paroli isn't do that actually
Jan 19 12:10:36 <Ainulindale> Then use SHR :->
Jan 19 12:10:39 <charlie137> haha
Jan 19 12:10:49 <mirko> that#s also the reason i asked about dialogs/error-messages
Jan 19 12:10:57 <Ainulindale> Well, I'm going to BSOD myself
Jan 19 12:11:05 <Ainulindale> Latest kernel seems to bsod windows XP
Jan 19 12:11:09 <Ainulindale> for no apparent reason
Jan 19 12:11:19 <Ainulindale> (as soon as I connect the neo)
Jan 19 12:11:53 <mirko> charlie137: when do you think any kind of displaying this kind of messages would be possible?
Jan 19 12:11:56 <charlie137> Ainulindale: that is part of openmoko plan to promote open sources
Jan 19 12:12:52 <charlie137> mirko: basically every time an application start an operation
Jan 19 12:12:58 <mirko> and right now i'm getting this (http://pastebin.com/m4268750b) error, when paroli starts too fast after frameworkd/gsm0710dmuxd
Jan 19 12:13:10 <charlie137> it should be done is a tasklet between a try....catch block
Jan 19 12:13:24 <mirko> charlie137: so it is possible yet?
Jan 19 12:13:27 <charlie137> and we should catch every possible exceptions
Jan 19 12:13:52 <charlie137> mirko: not sure, because a lot of code is using callback method now
Jan 19 12:14:03 <charlie137> so then we need to connect to the error call back
Jan 19 12:14:23 <charlie137> wich is the same, except that it make the code difficult to follow
Jan 19 12:14:40 <mirko> hmm
Jan 19 12:15:02 <charlie137> using python try ... except within tasklet is very nice
Jan 19 12:15:19 <charlie137> cause it hides all the error callback unchaining
Jan 19 12:15:37 <charlie137> i will have a look for the places where we can do that
Jan 19 12:15:38 <mirko-paroli> charlie137, mirko: getting anywhere?
Jan 19 12:16:20 <charlie137> hum... how come we have to mirko here ?
Jan 19 12:16:33 <charlie137> and they talk to each other :P
Jan 19 12:16:50 <mirko-paroli> charlie137 :there is several of us
Jan 19 12:16:50 <mirko-paroli> charlie137 : gives us more power :)
Jan 19 12:16:57 <mirko> ;)
Jan 19 12:17:23 <mirko-paroli> charlie137 : how long would it take to implement a service that just displays sth ?
Jan 19 12:17:30 <mirko-paroli> or an app maybe?
Jan 19 12:18:01 <charlie137> that wouldbe quick of course
Jan 19 12:18:09 <mirko> hmm - but most "to catch" mulfunctions seems to be defined by fso and seem to be easily catched by dbus-exceptions
Jan 19 12:18:11 <mirko-paroli> mirko: that what you need?
Jan 19 12:18:12 <charlie137> the problem is that you want the app to be modal 
Jan 19 12:18:28 <charlie137> thatis the app should block the parent app until it returns
Jan 19 12:18:52 <charlie137> if you use tasklet no problem
Jan 19 12:18:59 <mirko> mirko-paroli: think so
Jan 19 12:19:29 <mirko-paroli> charlie137: and a tasklet is app or service?
Jan 19 12:19:31 <charlie137> you can also maybe use etk modal window (it probably exist, like with gtk)
Jan 19 12:19:37 <mirko> i didn't try yet, but - what happens if you input a wrong ping atm?
Jan 19 12:19:41 <charlie137> tasklet is just a module in paroli-core
Jan 19 12:20:00 <mirko-paroli> that I know
Jan 19 12:20:01 <charlie137> that allow you to do collaborative micro threading
Jan 19 12:20:13 <charlie137> difficult to explain what it does exactl
Jan 19 12:20:19 <mirko-paroli> but can a service be a tasklet
Jan 19 12:20:23 <Gnutoo> hello, i'm making the most minimal image possible(with only opkg and dropbear)...but usb0 doesn't load on the phone...what modules should I load to make it work(g_ether and ?)
Jan 19 12:21:05 <charlie137> see http://www.stackless.com/
Jan 19 12:21:20 <charlie137> it is a implementation of python with direct support to tasklet
Jan 19 12:21:32 <charlie137> a service can expose a tasklet yes
Jan 19 12:22:18 <charlie137> in paroli of course we don't use stackless python, but we use a trick to get almost the same things with normal cpython
Jan 19 12:22:18 <mirko-paroli> so if we had a dialogue service we could stop the parent-app ?
Jan 19 12:22:28 <charlie137> yes
Jan 19 12:22:40 <mirko-paroli> ah, well sounds like a plan to me
Jan 19 12:22:42 <charlie137> not that even if you don't have  a tasket, you can still do it
Jan 19 12:22:52 <charlie137> but then you need to have a callback on return of the dialog
Jan 19 12:23:09 <charlie137> but that is ugly, because it cut your method in two part
Jan 19 12:23:35 <charlie137> or, as I said, most widget toolkit (like etk I guess) provide some special method for modal dialogs
Jan 19 12:23:49 <mirko-paroli> ok but that doesn't help right now
Jan 19 12:24:06 <mirko-paroli> we are looking for the best and nicest approach right now :)
Jan 19 12:24:10 <charlie137> tasklet is the way to go
Jan 19 12:24:29 <mirko-paroli> so service
Jan 19 12:24:32 <mirko-paroli> with tasklet
Jan 19 12:25:06 <charlie137> service is not compulsory, but that doesn't make much difference
Jan 19 12:25:23 <mirko-paroli> just so that it is exchangable
Jan 19 12:25:23 <charlie137> would work the same with or without
Jan 19 12:25:28 <charlie137> yeah
Jan 19 12:25:34 <mirko-paroli> k
Jan 19 12:25:40 <mirko-paroli> than that sounds like an accord :)
Jan 19 12:26:20 <charlie137> have a look at this file :
Jan 19 12:26:20 <charlie137> http://git.openmoko.org/?p=tichy.git;a=blob;f=tichy/dialog.py
Jan 19 12:26:31 <charlie137> it was tichy implementation of the same thing
Jan 19 12:26:35 <charlie137> as you can see it is very small
Jan 19 12:26:52 <charlie137> ~20 lines
Jan 19 12:27:57 <mirko-paroli> charlie137: looks doable :)
Jan 19 12:28:14 <charlie137> but in my code I was relying on an underlying widget toolkit
Jan 19 12:28:29 <mirko-paroli> yapp but we can just adapt it a bit
Jan 19 12:28:29 <charlie137> so I am not sure if I can still do it with paroli_backend
Jan 19 12:28:31 <mirko-paroli> no worries
Jan 19 12:28:33 <charlie137> yeah
Jan 19 12:28:43 <charlie137> like having an edje file for the dialog
Jan 19 12:28:45 <mirko-paroli> paroli still has all etk widgets
Jan 19 12:28:52 <mirko-paroli> I am trying to get them all out though
Jan 19 12:29:28 <charlie137> ok i am going home
Jan 19 12:29:40 <mirko-paroli> charlie137: k, have a nice evening
Jan 19 12:29:49 <mirko-paroli> charlie137: and thx for the help
Jan 19 12:29:54 <charlie137> tomorrow I told matt I would be working on the kernel trying to solve GSM init sequence
Jan 19 12:30:04 <mirko-paroli> charlie137: k
Jan 19 12:30:19 <charlie137> see you
Jan 19 12:30:24 <mirko-paroli> charlie137: CU
Jan 19 12:30:30 <charlie137> both of you
Jan 19 12:30:40 <mirko> cu
Jan 19 12:31:27 <charlie137> (I also always wanted to have a second body I could control independantly, so I could make phone call jokes, like calling someone at the same time on his mobile and his cell phone)
Jan 19 12:31:41 <mirko-paroli> LOL
Jan 19 12:36:46 <Ainulindale> Damn BSOD.
Jan 19 12:37:30 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: I'm currently flashing a (locally built) image with up-to-date EFL_SRCREV... Just to see how CPU usage of e is
Jan 19 12:37:49 <mrmoku> SOFTWARE_16 looks quite ugly :(
Jan 19 12:37:58 <PaulFertser_> Ainulindale: it was the same for me with andy-tracking and my sister's XP laptop. I tried i think 2 different inf's and gave up.
Jan 19 12:38:28 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: ugly?
Jan 19 12:38:45 <mrmoku> look at the toolbar...
Jan 19 12:38:51 <Ainulindale> Well yes, so what?
Jan 19 12:39:05 <mrmoku> (had to restart to see it - maybe engine change needs that)
Jan 19 12:39:12 <Ainulindale> Yes it needs that
Jan 19 12:39:34 <mrmoku> Well, just want to check if it is fixed in current e
Jan 19 12:39:55 <Ainulindale> There's a deep problem with e because it was working fine until now
Jan 19 12:40:03 <Ainulindale> That or you borked our image a bit more =)
Jan 19 12:40:43 * mrmoku is borking borker #1 ;)
Jan 19 12:40:48 <Ainulindale> A while ago I had a problem like that
Jan 19 12:40:56 <Ainulindale> It was using glamo on gta01 and the other way around on gta02
Jan 19 12:41:00 * tordo loves on mrmoku 
Jan 19 12:41:03 <Ainulindale> Check that for once
Jan 19 12:41:19 <mrmoku> tordo: thought you have a lesson :P
Jan 19 12:41:24 <tordo> i'm in it now
Jan 19 12:41:33 <mrmoku> tordo: so pay attention ;)
Jan 19 12:41:46 * mrmoku ---> nutrition
Jan 19 12:41:54 <tordo> pft :P
Jan 19 12:46:20 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I need your help
Jan 19 12:46:24 <Ainulindale> As i can't ssh to my phone
Jan 19 12:46:34 <Ainulindale> I'd like to have full details/trace on e
Jan 19 12:46:39 <Ainulindale> and see X options
Jan 19 12:46:44 <Ainulindale> it doesn't seem right
Jan 19 12:47:25 <tordo> Ainulindale: 
Jan 19 12:47:26 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: and e revison was modified by hand and not on the repo
Jan 19 12:47:27 <tordo> i don't know what i did
Jan 19 12:47:31 <Ainulindale> which one should we use?
Jan 19 12:47:42 <tordo> but now my enlightenment uses 0.3% cpu
Jan 19 12:47:53 <Ainulindale> you probably switched to software_16
Jan 19 12:47:56 <Ainulindale> check the engine
Jan 19 12:47:59 <tordo> yes, i did
Jan 19 12:48:05 <Ainulindale> and that's normal
Jan 19 12:48:11 <Ainulindale> Same behavior here
Jan 19 12:48:15 <tordo> ah, thought that was supposed to be borked too
Jan 19 12:48:16 <Ainulindale> But it's ugly to some people eyes
Jan 19 12:48:20 <Ainulindale> No
Jan 19 12:50:29 <tordo> hm.. if i write norwegian letters into an SMS, they don't show
Jan 19 12:50:57 <PaulFertser_> Ainulindale: is this thread of any help to you? (wrt BSOD) https://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-usb/2008/11/16/4131004
Jan 19 12:51:13 <Ainulindale> tordo: latest unstable?
Jan 19 12:51:29 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser_: invalid cert according to firefox
Jan 19 12:51:47 <PaulFertser_> Ainulindale: true. It's kerneltrap still. Just lazy admins.
Jan 19 12:52:24 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser_: well the thread is too long and I'm at work. Is there a solution in this thread?
Jan 19 12:53:21 <PaulFertser_> Ainulindale: or you may try to simply disable EHCI controller in your PC, it helped other guys, it seems. And it's easier than recompiling a kernel.
Jan 19 12:53:35 <Ainulindale> that's what I was trying now 
Jan 19 12:53:42 <Ainulindale> Though I have to find it
Jan 19 12:54:00 <Ainulindale> I have no idea where to disable that
Jan 19 12:54:04 <Ainulindale> I'm a windows total noob
Jan 19 12:54:10 <PaulFertser_> Ainulindale: :) that's great :)
Jan 19 12:54:23 <Ainulindale> what's great?
Jan 19 12:54:37 <tordo> Ainulindale: yes
Jan 19 12:54:48 <PaulFertser_> Ainulindale: being noob in windows. Press Windowse-key + Pause/break, 
Jan 19 12:54:57 <Ainulindale> tordo: that's not normal
Jan 19 12:54:58 <PaulFertser_> Ainulindale: then select devices, device manager
Jan 19 12:55:10 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser_: yeah I'm there, but where is it then? :-)
Jan 19 12:55:21 <Ainulindale> god damn stupid UI
Jan 19 12:55:25 <Ainulindale> Gimme a CLI !
Jan 19 12:55:33 <PaulFertser_> Ainulindale: USB->enhanced host controller
Jan 19 12:55:34 <tordo> Ainulindale: II added a custom keyboard
Jan 19 12:55:41 <tordo> it works in other apps
Jan 19 12:55:46 <PaulFertser_> Properties->check disabled.
Jan 19 12:56:02 <Ainulindale> I have nothin looking like an enhanced usb controller
Jan 19 12:56:03 <Ainulindale> +g
Jan 19 12:56:14 <Ainulindale> I'm trying one
Jan 19 12:56:19 <Ainulindale> so please bear with me if I'm not there anymore
Jan 19 12:57:12 <PaulFertser_> I'm sorry, but i can't say exact interface titles, my co-worker has a russian version.
Jan 19 12:58:12 <PaulFertser_> And it seems the name of the controller is driver-dependent.
Jan 19 13:02:15 <Ainulindale> well PaulFertser_ 
Jan 19 13:02:17 <Ainulindale> guess what
Jan 19 13:02:22 <Ainulindale> (BSOD)
Jan 19 13:05:33 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: back from nutrition
Jan 19 13:06:12 <Ainulindale> You won the right to help me
Jan 19 13:06:21 <Ainulindale> And to tell me what you did with EFL_SRCREV
Jan 19 13:06:40 <mrmoku> if it helps with my bonus point account :P
Jan 19 13:08:36 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: what do you want me to check?
Jan 19 13:09:24 <mrmoku> how do I do a full e trace?
Jan 19 13:10:18 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: EFL_SRCREV in what sense?
Jan 19 13:10:31 <Ainulindale> the one on the buildhost is different from git
Jan 19 13:10:33 <Ainulindale> is that intended?
Jan 19 13:13:40 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: the one in git is the one stefan_schmidt told me fso is using IIRC
Jan 19 13:14:01 <mrmoku> then we discussed to keep the old (working) one and I set that for the buildhost
Jan 19 13:14:11 <mrmoku> (should have done in git too)
Jan 19 13:14:26 <mrmoku> btw. current e has the same behaviour regarding CPU
Jan 19 13:14:40 <Ainulindale> Then I'm not sure it's e
Jan 19 13:14:58 <Ainulindale> Check kernel, check xglamo, check strace
Jan 19 13:15:03 <Ainulindale> Check if it's a module
Jan 19 13:15:16 <mrmoku> kernel is one thing that changed for sure ;)
Jan 19 13:15:29 <Ainulindale> Then test with older
Jan 19 13:15:40 <Ainulindale> I knew andy tracking was going to bring its harvest of sorrow
Jan 19 13:15:43 <vvbi> folks, need your help in making adb work on windows with openmoko
Jan 19 13:16:05 * mrmoku is going to flash 2.6.24 now
Jan 19 13:19:41 <beniwtv> anyone from the framework team around? mickey: ping? :)
Jan 19 13:20:20 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: guess what.... enlightenment is down to 0.6%... just by switching to old kernel
Jan 19 13:20:36 * mrmoku is feeling great relief it was not his fault :D
Jan 19 13:22:04 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: why don't we just set a fixed rev for the kernel... to use the old one for now
Jan 19 13:22:43 * mrmoku is taking his Neo outside to test if he gets a GPS fix
Jan 19 13:24:12 <stefan_schmidt> mrmoku: not with fso head
Jan 19 13:24:17 <stefan_schmidt> mrmoku: broken atm
Jan 19 13:24:49 <beniwtv> stefan_schmidt: I was able to get one yesterday.... broken since today?
Jan 19 13:25:18 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: it will cause problems
Jan 19 13:25:24 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: with frameworkd, I suppose
Jan 19 13:25:29 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: could you please verify that?
Jan 19 13:25:31 <Ainulindale> (wrt power)
Jan 19 13:25:47 <stefan_schmidt> beniwtv: hmm, should be some days longer already
Jan 19 13:26:00 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: though now
Jan 19 13:26:06 <Ainulindale> I feel comfortable saying andy tracking is crap
Jan 19 13:26:14 <stefan_schmidt> beniwtv: mickey changed some stuff around and alphaone did not have time yet to look at a fix
Jan 19 13:26:18 <Ainulindale> And I'm tired by all this fuss about kernels
Jan 19 13:26:32 <beniwtv> stefan_schmidt: strange then... yesterday's head worked with TangoGPS and fso-gpsd, at least
Jan 19 13:26:44 <stefan_schmidt> beniwtv: Did you try suspend?
Jan 19 13:27:17 <beniwtv> stefan_schmidt: No suspend yet, as I'm not there yet 
Jan 19 13:27:39 <beniwtv> so, I didn't even try it
Jan 19 13:27:42 <stefan_schmidt> beniwtv: It breaks only when you suspend. That explains it
Jan 19 13:27:45 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: big big problems with latest kernel as we were saying here by the way
Jan 19 13:27:55 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: huge cpu usage e wise
Jan 19 13:28:02 <Ainulindale> something went wrong
Jan 19 13:28:04 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: That why we have pinned a srrev for it
Jan 19 13:28:15 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: where?
Jan 19 13:28:22 <Ainulindale> fso wise ?
Jan 19 13:28:23 <stefan_schmidt> I don't trust the kernel team on keeping regressions away. :)
Jan 19 13:28:29 <Ainulindale> or sane-srcrev ?
Jan 19 13:28:31 <stefan_schmidt> OE wise
Jan 19 13:28:35 <Ainulindale> sane-srcrev then
Jan 19 13:28:36 <stefan_schmidt> later
Jan 19 13:28:38 <stefan_schmidt> yes
Jan 19 13:28:43 <Ainulindale> well then we use it
Jan 19 13:28:45 <Ainulindale> and it's not good
Jan 19 13:28:49 <stefan_schmidt> hu
Jan 19 13:28:56 <Ainulindale> although mrmoku may have been overly confident and superseded it
Jan 19 13:28:59 <stefan_schmidt> That what I use on my daily phone :)
Jan 19 13:29:07 <stefan_schmidt> let me check the rev
Jan 19 13:29:08 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: rev?
Jan 19 13:29:12 <Ainulindale> Thanks
Jan 19 13:29:17 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: and sorry for the late answer
Jan 19 13:29:21 <Ainulindale> (maahahahahaha)
Jan 19 13:29:37 <Ainulindale> (sorry ! :-) )
Jan 19 13:29:44 <stefan_schmidt> 2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r2
Jan 19 13:30:05 <Ainulindale> That's the one
Jan 19 13:30:10 <Ainulindale> It's borking awfully here
Jan 19 13:30:17 <Ainulindale> It even BSODed my windows at work
Jan 19 13:30:36 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: you just flashed uImage ?
Jan 19 13:30:39 <Ainulindale> Or did you flash modules too?
Jan 19 13:30:43 <PaulFertser_> Ainulindale: i'm compling a new kernel with those fixes included and will test.
Jan 19 13:30:44 <dolf1074> cool, so just inserting your neo in a windows, let's you bork windows?
Jan 19 13:31:01 <rwhitby> it's a feature, not a bug.
Jan 19 13:31:04 <PaulFertser_> dolf1074: yes, BSOD. But you'll need an RNDIS inf file for that.
Jan 19 13:31:07 <Ainulindale> rwhitby: I hate you :-)
Jan 19 13:31:14 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: uImage + corresponding rootfs with modules
Jan 19 13:31:19 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: same here then
Jan 19 13:31:32 <Ainulindale> with the e rev we're using it causes e to go to 30% cpu
Jan 19 13:31:32 <dolf1074> nice, letting crash all windows users
Jan 19 13:31:43 <Ainulindale> with the previous kernel, no problem
Jan 19 13:31:58 * stefan_schmidt goes back and tries to find out why gta01 has problems to find init nowadays
Jan 19 13:32:04 <rwhitby> dolf1074: next goal is crashing iphones just by being in bluetooth range ...
Jan 19 13:32:31 <dolf1074> cool, we will have some nice features for our first release :D
Jan 19 13:32:35 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser_: thanks by the way
Jan 19 13:32:43 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: Also no cpu problem here
Jan 19 13:32:53 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: using which engine?
Jan 19 13:33:09 <Ainulindale> default?
Jan 19 13:33:25 <stefan_schmidt> I think so
Jan 19 13:33:48 <stefan_schmidt> At least we switched away from 16bpp
Jan 19 13:34:13 <stefan_schmidt> but engine of efl should not bork windows :)
Jan 19 13:34:24 <Ainulindale> kernel is borking windows
Jan 19 13:34:35 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: could you try latest SHR unstable and see for yourself?
Jan 19 13:34:44 <Ainulindale> It's obviously kernel as older kernel works properly
Jan 19 13:34:49 <Ainulindale> (and raster is not here)
Jan 19 13:34:51 <Ainulindale> (damn him)
Jan 19 13:35:15 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: Not, today. Need all my time to find what breaks gta01 and gps on 02
Jan 19 13:35:30 <stefan_schmidt> we really need to get stuff fixed for ms5
Jan 19 13:39:42 * mrmoku got a nice GPS fix (with current FSO head) :-)
Jan 19 13:40:22 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yep, the LEDs don't work correctly and ophonekitd crashes because of the power dbus quark thingie
Jan 19 13:40:47 <Ainulindale> I thought this was supposed to work...
Jan 19 13:40:50 <Ainulindale> With both kernels
Jan 19 13:41:58 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I currently can't strace e myself, could you please check what I said about glamo and such?
Jan 19 13:42:07 <Ainulindale> ANd check if we didn't, out of the blue, forget to flash necessary modules?
Jan 19 13:44:14 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: ok, reflashing new kernel now
Jan 19 13:44:36 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: could you tell me how I'm supposed to "flash" modules?
Jan 19 13:45:21 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: flashing a tgz?
Jan 19 13:45:34 <mrmoku> guess you're supposed to untar it to the device
Jan 19 13:45:35 <Ainulindale> well how am I supposed to install the modules?
Jan 19 13:45:45 <Ainulindale> And if I can't because it BSOD my device? =)
Jan 19 13:45:47 <mrmoku> though it should not be needed if using the correct rootfs
Jan 19 13:45:54 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: you're doomed :P
Jan 19 13:46:07 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: though as said before
Jan 19 13:46:16 <Ainulindale> I thought using frameworkd with 2.6.24 was working
Jan 19 13:46:20 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: how to strace e? attach to its process?
Jan 19 13:46:26 <Ainulindale> yeah
Jan 19 13:46:33 <Ainulindale> just look at what it's doing
Jan 19 13:46:42 <Ainulindale> could it be possible for me to ssh to your device and see what you're doing?
Jan 19 13:46:58 <mrmoku> hehe
Jan 19 13:47:41 <mrmoku> would just be a matter of correct routing ;)
Jan 19 13:48:20 <beniwtv> ... and then mistakenly post the IP to the channel, so all can look :P
Jan 19 13:48:33 <beniwtv> Just kidding, of course :)
Jan 19 13:50:49 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: scp'ed e.trace to the buildhost 
Jan 19 13:51:07 <Ainulindale> That's not the only thing I want to verify
Jan 19 13:51:27 <Ainulindale> select(19, [3 4 7 11 14 15 17 18], [], [15 17], {0, 0}) = 0 (Timeout)
Jan 19 13:51:28 <Ainulindale> gettimeofday({1232372957, 329005}, NULL) = 0
Jan 19 13:51:32 <Ainulindale> What's this mess?
Jan 19 13:51:46 <Ainulindale> open("/sys/bus/usb/devices/usb1/bInterfaceClass", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
Jan 19 13:52:12 <Ainulindale> could you check and disable EVERY gadget?
Jan 19 13:52:22 <mrmoku> doing that already :-)
Jan 19 13:52:38 <Ainulindale> Check that you're using software
Jan 19 13:53:35 <Ainulindale> FSO uses 38544
Jan 19 13:53:38 <Ainulindale> Isn't that working?
Jan 19 13:53:51 <Ainulindale> or is it autoset?
Jan 19 13:54:04 <vvbi> hi folks, any of you guys know how to transfer file between openmoko with android and windows?
Jan 19 13:54:33 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: did you try 38544 ?
Jan 19 13:54:38 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: hehe, turning of all shelf gadgets (apart from the wrench) brings cpu down to 0.0%
Jan 19 13:54:47 <Ainulindale> Ok add them one by one
Jan 19 13:55:09 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: locally I built an image with 38642
Jan 19 13:55:21 <Ainulindale> I'll rebuild with 38544
Jan 19 13:55:25 <mrmoku> problem is, with newer e new SMS is segfaulting
Jan 19 13:55:25 <Ainulindale> It's sane srcrev
Jan 19 13:55:40 * mrmoku is turning on gadgets one by one
Jan 19 13:55:54 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: could you try the number I just told after your tests please?
Jan 19 13:56:01 <mrmoku> ok
Jan 19 13:56:32 <Ainulindale> :-)
Jan 19 13:57:44 <Ainulindale> seems it's clock
Jan 19 13:58:13 <Ainulindale> hmmm no, now I have normal usage
Jan 19 13:59:09 <Ainulindale> Though it seems that bluetooth is taking an awful lot of resources
Jan 19 14:00:00 <Hire> i am updating SHR
Jan 19 14:00:07 * Hire crosses the finger
Jan 19 14:00:12 <Ainulindale> you shouldn't, you should reflash
Jan 19 14:00:24 <Hire> why?
Jan 19 14:00:26 <Hire> :/
Jan 19 14:00:49 <Ainulindale> because I told you to
Jan 19 14:00:54 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: issue here
Jan 19 14:00:55 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: this is strange... turned them back on all of them... CPU usage is still down
Jan 19 14:00:58 <Ainulindale> GSM registered
Jan 19 14:01:02 <Ainulindale> and pow
Jan 19 14:01:04 <Ainulindale> segvf
Jan 19 14:01:08 <Ainulindale> (e segv)
Jan 19 14:01:15 <Hire> but i am lazy :/
Jan 19 14:01:22 <mrmoku> while turning on a gadget?
Jan 19 14:01:33 <Ainulindale> no, registering my sim
Jan 19 14:02:02 <Ainulindale> Man how crappy this is
Jan 19 14:02:36 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: let that aside from now, could you try the rev in sane-srcrev please?
Jan 19 14:02:57 <mrmoku> 38544, ok. will do locally first
Jan 19 14:03:01 <Ainulindale> Thanks
Jan 19 14:03:16 <Ainulindale> If this doesn't work we'll bug raster
Jan 19 14:03:20 <Ainulindale> (and damn BSOD)
Jan 19 14:03:23 <Hire> ok, i see
Jan 19 14:03:31 <Hire> i will wait to flash my FR with SHR :)
Jan 19 14:03:33 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: changing the EFL is enought to make it rebuild?
Jan 19 14:03:38 <Ainulindale> yes
Jan 19 14:03:42 <mrmoku> (just in case... asking out of experience)
Jan 19 14:03:42 <mrmoku> ok
Jan 19 14:03:47 <Ainulindale> it'll affect everything depending on it
Jan 19 14:06:20 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: you should get libframeworkd-phonegui-ncurses finished :P
Jan 19 14:07:45 <Ainulindale> yeah I should, but I have no time for games
Jan 19 14:08:41 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: if I restart x the cpu usage goes up again
Jan 19 14:09:47 <stefan_schmidt> mrmoku: btw, did you fixed the initscripts problem for SHR?
Jan 19 14:09:50 <Ainulindale> it should settle for a while
Jan 19 14:10:14 <mrmoku> stefan_schmidt: no. it pulls in initscripts-openmoko instead
Jan 19 14:10:23 <Ainulindale> I'll fix it mrmoku 
Jan 19 14:10:29 <stefan_schmidt> mrmoku: I just found this in openmoko.conf: DISTRO_INITSCRIPTS = "initscripts-openmoko"
Jan 19 14:10:44 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: I told you about that last week
Jan 19 14:10:44 <stefan_schmidt> mrmoku: Please try a ?= instead of a = there
Jan 19 14:10:46 <Ainulindale> You don't listen =)
Jan 19 14:11:01 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: you tell tons of people tons of things :)
Jan 19 14:11:02 <Ainulindale> And FYI
Jan 19 14:11:04 <Ainulindale> http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev.inc;h=9546a1d8083af53c893ec7deb40aba18b20426f9;hb=HEAD
Jan 19 14:11:07 <Ainulindale> line 1
Jan 19 14:11:08 <mrmoku> stefan_schmidt: what is the difference? I thought ?= would mean set, if not yet set
Jan 19 14:11:33 <Ainulindale> that's what it does
Jan 19 14:11:47 <Ainulindale> and supposedly we set it in our conf
Jan 19 14:11:52 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: Well, mrmoku has the problem not us.
Jan 19 14:12:02 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: So why does it not work for you?
Jan 19 14:12:08 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: errr mrmoku's problem is mine too :-)
Jan 19 14:12:19 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: I guess that has to do with the way bitbake includes the conf files
Jan 19 14:12:23 <mrmoku> stefan_schmidt: you're using initscripts-openmoko or something else?
Jan 19 14:12:23 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: So it is not fixed for you
Jan 19 14:12:29 <Ainulindale> And distro comes at the end
Jan 19 14:12:38 <stefan_schmidt> mrmoku: atm the *openmoko
Jan 19 14:12:40 <Ainulindale> so it replaces our initscript with om's
Jan 19 14:12:41 <AntonTakk> anyone got a kink that explains the proper way to write a test case?
Jan 19 14:12:56 <stefan_schmidt> Not sure if we will stay there or branch and revert all the *fastboot* things
Jan 19 14:13:13 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: cpu usage is still up... should have settled down by now 
Jan 19 14:13:14 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: why would you revert them?
Jan 19 14:13:16 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: Nothing else did I tell
Jan 19 14:13:18 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: then strace
Jan 19 14:13:33 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: Beacuse they broke and seem to still break a lot of things for us
Jan 19 14:13:41 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: like what?
Jan 19 14:14:00 <Ainulindale> I'm interested in that, we're using fastboot here
Jan 19 14:14:03 <stefan_schmidt> initscripts, busybox not having an init installed
Jan 19 14:14:09 <Ainulindale> That's weird
Jan 19 14:14:16 <Ainulindale> We didn't have these problems
Jan 19 14:14:17 <stefan_schmidt> And the real build breaker are already sorted out
Jan 19 14:14:30 <stefan_schmidt> We will see how it turns out the next days
Jan 19 14:14:35 <Ainulindale> Yeah
Jan 19 14:14:35 <stefan_schmidt> maybe they stay
Jan 19 14:14:42 <Ainulindale> For my part I'd like a stable kernel
Jan 19 14:14:49 <Ainulindale> I'm still waiting for it
Jan 19 14:14:52 <stefan_schmidt> But after john's merge fso-image did not even build...
Jan 19 14:14:57 <Ainulindale> heh
Jan 19 14:15:07 <Ainulindale> well anyway I have to go home
Jan 19 14:15:13 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: if the build gets through
Jan 19 14:15:16 <stefan_schmidt> cu Ainulindale 
Jan 19 14:15:20 <Ainulindale> and if the CPU usage is correct
Jan 19 14:15:24 <Ainulindale> and if everything works as supposed to
Jan 19 14:15:28 <Ainulindale> please bump EFL_SRCREV everywhere
Jan 19 14:15:33 <Ainulindale> Meanwhile I'm off
Jan 19 14:15:40 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: ok, but I don't think that will happen :(
Jan 19 14:15:47 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I hope it will :-)
Jan 19 14:15:54 <Ainulindale> See you in an hour and a half
Jan 19 14:16:00 <mrmoku> ok, hope dies last
Jan 19 14:24:07 <PaulFertser_> Hey, guys, i can confirm that with the kernel patches i mentioned recently, windows XP doesn't go blue screen anymore, but networking doesn't work either.
Jan 19 14:30:56 <AntonTakk> PaulFertser_: you mean with a certain kernel rev, the fr can make xp boxen bsod?
Jan 19 14:45:56 <yoyo> help - wich command activete incomming voice call
Jan 19 14:46:22 <yoyo> join() Activate()?
Jan 19 14:55:50 <ysakaed> hi 
Jan 19 14:56:29 <ysakaed> I am having some problem with building fso testing image
Jan 19 14:57:27 <ysakaed> has anyone encounter the problem of segmentation fault when building glibc?
Jan 19 15:03:04 <mw|> ysakaed: how much memory does your system have?
Jan 19 15:03:47 <ysakaed> 4gb ram
Jan 19 15:04:06 <ysakaed> it gives me the error when generating locale en_BW
Jan 19 15:06:54 <jipi> does anyone knows where to find the android image for neo1973?]
Jan 19 15:19:27 <ysakaed> hmm it works after disable locale_generation
Jan 19 15:20:17 <mw|> woho, got the keypad to work on the pindialog :-p
Jan 19 15:22:01 <mw|> *git push*
Jan 19 15:22:10 <jmichel_> I have some problem when installing the toolchain... I cannot build the sample project
Jan 19 15:22:17 <jmichel_> I always get "libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libXrandr.la'"
Jan 19 15:22:28 <jmichel_> the full error is at http://pastebin.ca/1312573
Jan 19 15:22:28 <tordo> haha
Jan 19 15:22:45 <tordo> that's the freakiest SMS recieve sound ever!
Jan 19 15:23:18 <jmichel_> I don't understand because there is no reference to /usr/lib in the build line
Jan 19 15:23:40 <mw|> jmichel_: some other .la file might have
Jan 19 15:25:08 <jmichel_> mw|: ok but how can I find which one? with a simple grep?
Jan 19 15:25:21 <mw|> grep "/usr/lib/libXrandr.la" /usr/local/whateveryouhave/lib/*.la
Jan 19 15:25:41 <mw|> .la are textfiles contain information about library depencies etc
Jan 19 15:26:14 <mw|> .la is libtools "info-format", only used by libtool
Jan 19 15:27:13 <TAsn> Ainulindale, hallo?
Jan 19 15:31:41 <king> Ainulindale, There?
Jan 19 15:32:12 <jmichel_> mw|: It seem that there are a lot .la files in /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/* that refers to "/usr/lib/libXrandr.la" but it also seems all paths in .la files refer to /usr/lib and not /usr/local/openmoko/...
Jan 19 15:33:05 <mw|> I haven't used the premade toolchain for a long time due to the libtool madness
Jan 19 15:33:16 <mw|> Mokomakefile is more robust that way
Jan 19 15:33:31 <mw|> but again, Mokomakefile breaks whenever somebody commits a bad patch
Jan 19 15:34:12 <jmichel_> Is there anyone using the toolchain or I should go Mokomakefile?
Jan 19 15:35:12 <mw|> think most people here uses mokomakefile
Jan 19 15:35:23 <mw|> http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR
Jan 19 15:35:30 <mw|> jmichel_: take a peek there
Jan 19 15:47:13 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: arghh, take a look at your opkg config :(
Jan 19 15:55:01 <mrmoku> mw|: I built ltrace (locally)... it makes e segfault ;) am I doing something wrong?
Jan 19 15:55:30 <mw|> hmmmm
Jan 19 15:55:33 <mw|> weird
Jan 19 15:55:39 <mrmoku> do I need to install the dbg packages?
Jan 19 15:56:48 <mrmoku> mw|: one thing I noted is, that it built also binutils... maybe incompatible version?
Jan 19 15:58:14 <mw|> might be ltrace is not ABI compatible
Jan 19 15:58:38 <mw|> I don't know what angstrom changes implies
Jan 19 15:59:18 <mrmoku> it goes like this: http://pastebin.com/d53c77edf
Jan 19 16:02:24 <mw|> mrmoku: doesn't look good
Jan 19 16:02:43 <mrmoku> hehe, no
Jan 19 16:04:52 <PaulFertser_> AntonTakk: with andy-tracking xp bsod reliably :)
Jan 19 16:06:07 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: what?
Jan 19 16:06:15 <dos1> ewl is still failing to build for me in shr-unstable
Jan 19 16:06:58 <dos1> http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ewl-2_0.5.2.050+svnr38521-r1/temp/log.do_compile.1418
Jan 19 16:08:03 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: we got OM also in /etc/opkg
Jan 19 16:08:09 <mrmoku> not only for the initscripts
Jan 19 16:08:15 <dos1> after deleting tmp i still have it :x
Jan 19 16:08:35 <mrmoku> dos1: what EFL_SRCREV
Jan 19 16:08:45 <mrmoku> you might want to try a different one ;)
Jan 19 16:08:49 <AntonTakk> PaulFertser_: I vote feature!
Jan 19 16:09:03 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: hmpf
Jan 19 16:09:07 <dos1> mrmoku: default in shr-unstable, i didn't changed anything
Jan 19 16:09:11 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: that's not logical at all
Jan 19 16:09:22 <Ainulindale> Wait, here it won't BSOD
Jan 19 16:09:25 <Ainulindale> (i'm at home)
Jan 19 16:10:09 <Ainulindale> Errr mrmoku 
Jan 19 16:10:13 <Ainulindale> src/gz shr-armv4 http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4
Jan 19 16:10:13 <Ainulindale> src/gz shr-armv4t http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t
Jan 19 16:10:13 <Ainulindale> src/gz shr-om-gta02 http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//om-gta02
Jan 19 16:10:35 <mrmoku> hmmm
Jan 19 16:10:37 <Ainulindale> No problem here.
Jan 19 16:11:01 <PaulFertser_> Can it be you have no EHCI at home?
Jan 19 16:11:07 <dos1> mrmoku: shr-autorev-unstable.inc says EFL_SRCREV = "38521"
Jan 19 16:11:12 <mw|> mrmoku: you can use gdb on the process that has a high load
Jan 19 16:11:20 <mw|> hit ctrl-c, bt, c
Jan 19 16:11:21 <mrmoku> I bumped EFL... made my local build... flashed... and noticed that
Jan 19 16:11:23 <mw|> several times
Jan 19 16:11:37 <mrmoku> mw|: will it work, if the process is enlightenment?
Jan 19 16:11:39 <mw|> if it 95% of the occasions are doing the same, you know where the load is :-p
Jan 19 16:11:51 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: nevermind. How is e working?
Jan 19 16:11:52 <mw|> gdb -p THE_PID_HERE
Jan 19 16:12:03 <mw|> you need to hade -dbg packages
Jan 19 16:12:18 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: strangely... on first boot it was fine
Jan 19 16:12:36 <Ainulindale> dos1: your problem is probably a staging problem
Jan 19 16:12:37 <mrmoku> rebooted and then it was up
Jan 19 16:12:54 <Ainulindale> Everything was working properly?
Jan 19 16:13:00 <Ainulindale> UTF8? SMS?
Jan 19 16:13:06 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: no... with that EFL new SMS segfaults
Jan 19 16:13:11 <Ainulindale> Ok.
Jan 19 16:13:20 <Ainulindale> So, back to where we were
Jan 19 16:13:34 <dos1> Ainulindale: so what can i do to avoid it?
Jan 19 16:13:50 <Ainulindale> dos1: unfortunately, nothing but rebuild
Jan 19 16:14:04 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: did you happen to notice anything unusual about Xglamo?
Jan 19 16:14:27 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: hmm, no. but e segfaulted once
Jan 19 16:14:28 <dos1> Ainulindale: i deleted tmp, and problem is still there
Jan 19 16:14:39 <TAsn> Ainulindale, hey, you were looking for me earlier...
Jan 19 16:14:41 <Ainulindale> dos1: Well then the rev isn't good.
Jan 19 16:14:46 * mrmoku is installing e-wm-dbg
Jan 19 16:14:57 <Ainulindale> TAsn: Yeah. It seems somehow that ophonekitd phonelog says the database is busy
Jan 19 16:15:07 <Ainulindale> Would pyphonelog do that?
Jan 19 16:15:23 <mw|> lsof THE_PATH_OF_DB
Jan 19 16:15:33 <TAsn> Ainulindale, not while it's not running, that's for sure ;]
Jan 19 16:15:34 <mw|> which processes has the database open
Jan 19 16:15:34 <Ainulindale> mw|: already did, that's why I'm asking
Jan 19 16:15:41 <mw|> aaah
Jan 19 16:15:42 <dos1> Ainulindale: but it's the default one in shr-unstable. why is it there?
Jan 19 16:15:50 <Ainulindale> It's supposed to be busy if something is modifying it
Jan 19 16:16:06 <Ainulindale> dos1: because someone whose name I won't utter put it there
Jan 19 16:16:15 <Ainulindale> (hint, he's a "mr")
Jan 19 16:16:20 <TAsn> pyphonelog isn't modifying though I haven't used a read only (if even exists) flag with sqlite...
Jan 19 16:16:23 <mrmoku> stupid question... how does one find out what process a pipe goes to?
Jan 19 16:16:39 <Ainulindale> TAsn: would you be so kind as to investigate?
Jan 19 16:16:50 <mw|> mrmoku: lsof can show that I think
Jan 19 16:16:52 <dos1> Ainulindale: which EFL_SRCREV you suggest? ;)
Jan 19 16:17:03 <Ainulindale> 38274
Jan 19 16:17:05 <TAsn> I'm not experiencing this issue, how can I investigate?
Jan 19 16:17:11 <TAsn> what exactly are you experiencing?
Jan 19 16:17:15 <dos1> Ainulindale: thanks
Jan 19 16:17:19 <Ainulindale> TAsn: well it can't write to the base
Jan 19 16:17:28 <TAsn> it doesn't.
Jan 19 16:17:46 <Ainulindale> TAsn: before my patch it was segfaulting
Jan 19 16:17:50 <mw|> mrmoku: inode is the number before "pipe" text, I think that can be used to find the other peer
Jan 19 16:18:24 <Ainulindale> read(16, 0x324b20, 2048)                = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
Jan 19 16:18:28 <Ainulindale> B
Jan 19 16:18:29 <TAsn> what did you change? please link me to your patch.
Jan 19 16:18:30 <Ainulindale> select(20, [3 4 6 8 10 14 16 19], [], [14 16], {0, 0}) = 0 (Timeout)
Jan 19 16:18:38 <Ainulindale> Here's the culprit
Jan 19 16:18:44 <Ainulindale> TAsn: just something ptitjes did badly
Jan 19 16:18:48 <Ainulindale> (in ophonekitd)
Jan 19 16:18:48 <mw|> fd 16
Jan 19 16:18:53 <mw|> is that the db, or X ?
Jan 19 16:19:02 <Ainulindale> no idea
Jan 19 16:19:06 <Ainulindale> mw|: here it's e
Jan 19 16:19:09 <mw|> Ainulindale: lsof -p PID
Jan 19 16:19:17 <mw|> and look at fd 16
Jan 19 16:19:21 <mw|> what is it
Jan 19 16:19:33 <mw|> (column 4)
Jan 19 16:19:36 <Ainulindale> socket
Jan 19 16:19:51 <mw|> sounds like X
Jan 19 16:20:03 <Ainulindale> select(20, [3 4 6 8 10 14 16 19], [], [14 16], {0, 0}) = 0 (Timeout)
Jan 19 16:20:06 <Ainulindale> and that one?
Jan 19 16:20:31 <mw|> Ainulindale: that is glib main loop I guess, it shows which fd's the main loop waits for
Jan 19 16:20:41 <mw|> 20 you can ignore
Jan 19 16:20:54 <mw|> the fd's between the [] are the ones that glib listens on
Jan 19 16:21:02 <Ainulindale> well anyway
Jan 19 16:21:06 <Ainulindale> e gets to 25%
Jan 19 16:21:09 <Ainulindale> and stays here
Jan 19 16:21:15 <mw|> select(N, reads, writes, exceptions, timeout
Jan 19 16:21:26 <mw|> Ainulindale: but a "fault" i can see there, timeout is 0, 0
Jan 19 16:21:27 <TAsn> Ainulindale, let's start from the beginning, what segfaulted before your patch and can ophonekitd write to the db when pyphonelog is off?
Jan 19 16:21:29 <mw|> so it will never sleep
Jan 19 16:21:37 <mw|> some timer are running fast
Jan 19 16:21:50 <mw|> or a while(1) kind of loop refreshing screen
Jan 19 16:21:52 <mw|> ?
Jan 19 16:21:57 <mrmoku> IIRC correctly there were timer issues with 2.6.28...
Jan 19 16:22:12 <mw|> not related
Jan 19 16:22:40 <mw|> that is a scheduler bug in 2.6.18->2.6.28, that causes high load while doing disk I/O
Jan 19 16:22:54 <mw|> that comes out as a lot of sys time, not user time
Jan 19 16:22:55 <Ainulindale> I removed every gadget
Jan 19 16:23:04 <mw|> (processes stucks in D more)
Jan 19 16:23:05 <Ainulindale> TAsn: ophonekitd segfaulted because of a stupid error handling
Jan 19 16:23:12 <Ainulindale> triggered by the fact that it couldn't write to the db (db busy)
Jan 19 16:23:29 <TAsn> only when pyphonelog was on?
Jan 19 16:23:37 <Ainulindale> yes
Jan 19 16:23:41 <TAsn> i c.
Jan 19 16:23:59 <root_at> hi. is here anyone, who is able to add libnotify to the shr repo and would be as nice as to do that?(with dependencies)
Jan 19 16:24:13 <TAsn> weird, as I'm not experiencing this bug.
Jan 19 16:24:24 <TAsn> though as you said, it's probably related to your patch.
Jan 19 16:24:30 <mw|> root_at: what is the use you need it for?
Jan 19 16:24:38 <root_at> the gestures
Jan 19 16:24:50 <Dave> wooooooooooooooooooooo
Jan 19 16:24:52 <root_at> accelges its called, i think
Jan 19 16:25:01 <mw|> accelges?
Jan 19 16:25:08 <dos1> root_at: thanks, you reminded me my idea to use libnotify with pidgin :D
Jan 19 16:25:09 <Dave> Man, even cars now come with gestures
Jan 19 16:25:17 <dos1> mw|: you don't know accelges?
Jan 19 16:25:22 <root_at> dos1: np
Jan 19 16:25:24 <mw|> what is accelges ?
Jan 19 16:25:31 <root_at> mw|: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures yes
Jan 19 16:25:34 <dos1> mw|: gestures with accelerometers
Jan 19 16:25:37 <mw|> (I haven't booted my moko for 10 days or something)
Jan 19 16:25:38 <Ainulindale> TAsn: I did the patch today
Jan 19 16:25:45 <TAsn> anyhow, I'm currently leaving, I gotta finish my school work, I'll check that out later. is the patch in git?
Jan 19 16:25:45 <dos1> mw|: but it's old
Jan 19 16:25:47 <Ainulindale> because i was fed up with the bug
Jan 19 16:26:09 <dos1> mw|: from August 2008 i think
Jan 19 16:26:11 <root_at> dos1: do you libnotify installed? os?
Jan 19 16:26:22 <dos1> root_at: no, but i can build it
Jan 19 16:26:45 <Ainulindale> mw|: wrt e
Jan 19 16:26:46 <dos1> root_at: but only on my repo ;)
Jan 19 16:26:50 <Ainulindale> I removed all the gadgets
Jan 19 16:26:56 <Ainulindale> unloaded as many modules as I could
Jan 19 16:26:59 <Ainulindale> still 20%
Jan 19 16:27:02 <dos1> root_at: which now have problems, so i have to wait ;)
Jan 19 16:27:21 <mw|> Ainulindale: hmm
Jan 19 16:27:21 <Ainulindale> It seems to stat the theme very often
Jan 19 16:27:28 <Ainulindale> stat64("/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1403982, ...}) = 0
Jan 19 16:27:30 <root_at> ouh.is ur repo metnioned in the wiki::userrepo?
Jan 19 16:27:51 <Dave> dos1 :P
Jan 19 16:28:00 <mw|> Ainulindale: sounds like somewhere, the other theme engines settles with sleep, which this one don't
Jan 19 16:28:11 <dos1> root_at: no, it's very "experimental" repo ;D
Jan 19 16:28:57 <Ainulindale> mw|: well that's funny
Jan 19 16:29:01 <Ainulindale> Just changed the theme to illume
Jan 19 16:29:04 <Ainulindale> Now, no CPU usage
Jan 19 16:29:09 <Ainulindale> will try to go back to SHR
Jan 19 16:29:13 <root_at> dos1: would u let me use it?
Jan 19 16:29:28 <dos1> Ainulindale: digital clock?
Jan 19 16:29:28 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: could you try that?
Jan 19 16:29:49 <Ainulindale> Ok changed back to SHR, no problem.
Jan 19 16:29:51 <dos1> root_at: right now i don't think so, because i think it's broken now ;)
Jan 19 16:29:56 <Ainulindale> that's weird
Jan 19 16:30:08 <dos1> root_at: but i'm working on it
Jan 19 16:30:41 <root_at> might i ask u in a few days again, if i couldnt find someone to add it to the shr repo
Jan 19 16:30:55 <Ainulindale> root_at: mrmoku or me can do that
Jan 19 16:31:02 <Ainulindale> Please open a ticket
Jan 19 16:31:07 <mw|> Ainulindale: etk bug?
Jan 19 16:31:09 <spaetz> BTW, SHR repo. omnewrotate is not in the SHR repositories
Jan 19 16:31:22 <spaetz> any chance to include it if I file a ticket?
Jan 19 16:31:36 <root_at> Ainulindale: how long will it take? i just saw that its in the angstrom repo
Jan 19 16:31:37 <Ainulindale> spaetz: yes, and it should because I helped rui to do is bb file
Jan 19 16:31:48 <Ainulindale> root_at: approximatively 5 minutes when we'll have time
Jan 19 16:31:58 <spaetz> Ainulindale: ok, so I'll file a trac ticket. thanks
Jan 19 16:31:59 <mrmoku> hmm, I removed everything apart e from the XSession.d and cpu usage is down also
Jan 19 16:32:25 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I'm wondering something
Jan 19 16:32:28 <Ainulindale> try to add ophonekitd
Jan 19 16:33:32 <Ainulindale> Or more correctly
Jan 19 16:33:35 <Ainulindale> remove everything, reboot
Jan 19 16:33:40 <Ainulindale> if it's still there
Jan 19 16:33:42 <Ainulindale> it's not us
Jan 19 16:33:49 <Ainulindale> then add ophonekitd
Jan 19 16:34:06 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: ok. will do. After adding ophonekitd cpu usage is still down
Jan 19 16:34:06 <Ainulindale> if it's there at boot, remove every module and reboot, then one module by one, and reboot
Jan 19 16:34:23 <mrmoku> will remove it again and reboot
Jan 19 16:34:23 <Ainulindale> Same here, but it changed as soon as I tried to change the theme
Jan 19 16:34:31 <Ainulindale> Before that it was stating the default theme again and again
Jan 19 16:34:37 <jipi> does anyone knows where to find the android image for neo1973?]
Jan 19 16:34:58 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yeah, as soon as you start fiddling with some config the cpu usage goes down
Jan 19 16:36:08 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: you mean e modules?
Jan 19 16:36:09 <Ainulindale> Ok then
Jan 19 16:36:12 <Ainulindale> Try something
Jan 19 16:36:18 <Ainulindale> rm -rf ~/.e
Jan 19 16:36:20 <Ainulindale> reboot
Jan 19 16:36:25 <Ainulindale> select illume and NOT illume SHR
Jan 19 16:36:28 <Ainulindale> try several reboots
Jan 19 16:36:31 <Ainulindale> if CPU usage is still ok
Jan 19 16:36:35 <Ainulindale> then we'll have to diff our theme
Jan 19 16:36:46 <Ainulindale> (I wish raster kept us in touch with the changes)
Jan 19 16:37:49 <mrmoku> reboot with just starting e (no ophonekitd) --> cpu usage up
Jan 19 16:37:53 <mrmoku> removing .e now
Jan 19 16:39:33 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: stop x; rm -rf .e; start x and the cpu usage is down
Jan 19 16:39:36 <mrmoku> will reboot now
Jan 19 16:39:55 <Ainulindale> with illume, not illume SHR right?
Jan 19 16:39:58 <mrmoku> yep
Jan 19 16:40:42 <Ainulindale> dos1: by the way
Jan 19 16:40:47 <Ainulindale> dos1: shr settings, what is working?
Jan 19 16:41:49 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: going away soon for the dentist
Jan 19 16:42:17 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: negative... reboot and the cpu usage is up again :(
Jan 19 16:42:43 <Ainulindale> With nothing but e?
Jan 19 16:42:46 <Ainulindale> No ophonekitd?
Jan 19 16:42:47 <mrmoku> yep
Jan 19 16:42:53 <mrmoku> no ophonekitd
Jan 19 16:42:53 <Ainulindale> No shelf gadges?
Jan 19 16:42:54 <Ainulindale> +t
Jan 19 16:43:06 <mrmoku> the default ilume shelf gadgets
Jan 19 16:43:13 <Ainulindale> Ok remove everything and retry
Jan 19 16:43:16 <mrmoku> the big fat clock and the big fat green battery ;)
Jan 19 16:43:16 <Ainulindale> if cpu is still up
Jan 19 16:43:20 <Ainulindale> change the icon theme
Jan 19 16:43:31 <Ainulindale> and if with the default icon theme, no module
Jan 19 16:43:33 <Ainulindale> this still happens
Jan 19 16:43:36 <mrmoku> its the default icon theme
Jan 19 16:43:37 <Ainulindale> strace -p to it
Jan 19 16:43:42 <Ainulindale> check the result
Jan 19 16:43:45 <Ainulindale> and show it to raster
Jan 19 16:43:59 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: the default icon theme, that is, not the SHR
Jan 19 16:44:07 <Ainulindale> (not Hire's icons)
Jan 19 16:44:10 <mrmoku> yep not Hire's icons... the default ones
Jan 19 16:44:13 <Ainulindale> ok
Jan 19 16:44:29 <Ainulindale> I have to leave, will check on your progress as soon as I'm back
Jan 19 16:44:32 <Ainulindale> Thanks for the help
Jan 19 16:44:38 <Ainulindale> Bug raster ASAP
Jan 19 16:44:48 <mrmoku> if he passes...
Jan 19 16:45:20 * CM sighs after having 4000+ unread in google reader
Jan 19 16:46:35 <Dave> :(
Jan 19 16:47:10 <dos1> Ainulindale: basics: gsm on/off, bt on/off, wifi on/off, setting clock, profiles, power management (dimming), starting/stopping services from init.d... some informations about gsm, sim and battery too
Jan 19 16:47:20 <dos1> maybe something else, about which i forgot ;)
Jan 19 16:47:33 <dos1> my next goal is to implement wifi manager
Jan 19 16:47:52 <dos1> right now it's only displaying list of available networks
Jan 19 16:48:26 <spaetz> dos1: are you working on connman-plugin-wifi or is it something standalone
Jan 19 16:48:30 <spaetz> ?
Jan 19 16:48:46 <dos1> spaetz: i'm working on shr-settings
Jan 19 16:49:36 <dos1> i started to read mofi code and then write something similar
Jan 19 16:50:09 <Sharwin_F> I've been looking around shr-settings today with the new unstable shr image. Good work :)
Jan 19 16:50:22 <Sharwin_F> wish it was faster though
Jan 19 16:50:25 <Sharwin_F> :P
Jan 19 16:50:41 <dos1> spaetz: but if you can show me, how to simply use connman-plugin-wifi with python, and if connman is working well, i will take a look on it
Jan 19 16:51:08 <dos1> Sharwin_F: do you mean scrolling or dbus requests?
Jan 19 16:51:28 <Sharwin_F> dos1, don't really know, speaking as a whole user experience :P
Jan 19 16:51:35 <dos1> Sharwin_F: now dbus requests are blocking GUI, we want to avoid it
Jan 19 16:51:59 <dos1> Sharwin_F: dbus requests - opening window which is reading for instance antenna state
Jan 19 16:52:07 <dos1> Sharwin_F: setting antena state, profile etc.
Jan 19 16:52:12 <spaetz> dos1: I have no clue if connman is working well, it seems to crash for me when it looks for networks
Jan 19 16:52:29 <mrmoku> dos1: there's one thing I dislike with the new settings app
Jan 19 16:52:45 <mrmoku> setting the suspend/dim/... timeouts is quite dificult
Jan 19 16:52:46 <Sharwin_F> dos1, shr-settings generally speaking look unstable, but nothing to say about that on a unstable release xD
Jan 19 16:52:57 <dos1> Sharwin_F: but with scrolling only think that we can do is to reduce used space, to avoid scrolling ;x
Jan 19 16:53:08 <dos1> Sharwin_F: i know, it's on early stage of developing
Jan 19 16:53:57 <dos1> mrmoku: if only elementary would have some widget to select numbers, for instance by scrolling...
Jan 19 16:54:39 <spaetz> popup the pin window when selecting a number box :-)?
Jan 19 16:54:47 <mw|> dos1: you plan do talk to wpa_supplicant via dbus ?
Jan 19 16:54:59 <Sharwin_F> dos1, scrolling looks ok. What's slow is clicking button to acces diferent categories
Jan 19 16:55:29 <mrmoku> dos1: no sliders?
Jan 19 16:55:33 <dos1> Sharwin_F: so dbus requests... it's known architecture problem, we are planning to do it in different way ;)
Jan 19 16:55:44 <dos1> mrmoku: yep, no sliders in elementary
Jan 19 16:55:45 <Sharwin_F> and I might put a confirm dialog on poweroff button, since it's easy to activate it when scrolling (happened to me this morning :P)
Jan 19 16:56:17 <dos1> Sharwin_F: that's funny - for me poweroff button is only suspending FR :D
Jan 19 16:56:23 <dos1> Sharwin_F: and i don't know why ;)
Jan 19 16:57:06 <Sharwin_F> dos1, really? let me try, I was really sleepy when happened xD
Jan 19 16:57:24 <dos1> mw|: i don't know, right now i had only looked quickly at python-wifi
Jan 19 16:57:35 <dos1> mw|: but it looks like good way
Jan 19 16:58:10 <Sharwin_F> yes, it just suspends :P
Jan 19 16:58:17 <Sharwin_F> I might activated restart button then
Jan 19 16:58:51 <dos1> Sharwin_F: yes, restart works ;)
Jan 19 16:59:44 <Sharwin_F> dos1, so may be a good idea to put a confirm dialog to restart? vas i said is easy to activate it while scrolling
Jan 19 17:00:37 <dos1> Sharwin_F: yes, it's good idea
Jan 19 17:00:52 <dos1> Sharwin_F: but i have no time to implement it now
Jan 19 17:01:24 <Sharwin_F> dos1, shall I write it down somehwere for you to remember later?
Jan 19 17:01:49 <dos1> Sharwin_F: yep, wait a second, i will give you link ;)
Jan 19 17:02:20 <Sharwin_F> ok :)
Jan 19 17:04:01 <dos1> Sharwin_F: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Draft:SHRSettingsApp
Jan 19 17:04:26 <dos1> and everyone else: if you have ideas, please write it there ;)
Jan 19 17:16:07 <dos1> Ainulindale: i reviewed "things done" section on wiki, it should be actuall now
Jan 19 17:16:12 <dos1> Ainulindale: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Draft:SHRSettingsApp
Jan 19 17:21:28 <Sharwin_F> dos1, the only way now to activate or deactivate automatic suspend is entering a -1 value on "suspend" in the Power Management, isn't it?
Jan 19 17:21:48 <dos1> Sharwin_F: i think yes
Jan 19 17:22:07 <Sharwin_F> dos1, ok, so I add another wish to the list :D
Jan 19 17:30:55 <Sharwin_F> Here's the second one:
Jan 19 17:30:56 <Sharwin_F> Add an On/Off suspend button, so I don't have to set it to -1 and 20. Really slow if you have to click around 20 times in order to activate/deactivate automatic suspend. It would be handy to activate/deactivate fast suspend, as I need suspend deactivated when listening to music or on a ssh from PC, but want to have suspend activated once finished that. Example: you go somewhere listenging to music, you arrive there (still 
Jan 19 17:30:56 <Sharwin_F> walking) and I'll only need GSM... then its a pain in the ass to click 20 times a button while walking in order to set to default (20) suspend mode. I should be able to just click On/Off button :D
Jan 19 17:34:49 <morphis> heyho
Jan 19 17:35:37 <bumbl> hi morphis 
Jan 19 17:35:43 <dos1> Sharwin_F: i've got another idea - something like profiles for pm
Jan 19 17:35:50 <bumbl> mrmoku: all the unstable problems resolved?
Jan 19 17:35:58 <bumbl> the best unstable release ever?
Jan 19 17:36:03 <dos1> "No dim, no suspend", "Dim, no suspend", "No dim, suspend", "Dim and suspend"
Jan 19 17:37:55 <Sharwin_F> dos1, dim?
Jan 19 17:42:12 <Dave> hey morphis
Jan 19 17:52:47 <mrmoku> bumbl: nooooo, discovered new ones :(
Jan 19 17:55:47 <king> How is the shr-unstable repo? Any plans to move any images to shr-testing?
Jan 19 17:56:26 <mrmoku> king: we're having problems with e consuming cpu
Jan 19 17:56:45 <king> mrmoku, You mean battery problems? What is 'e'?
Jan 19 17:56:51 <king> mrmoku, e17?
Jan 19 17:56:57 <mrmoku> king: yeah, enlightenment
Jan 19 17:57:21 <king> mrmoku, You mean the 19th Jan images (latest ones)?
Jan 19 17:57:59 <mrmoku> yep, enlightenment consumes around 20% of CPU without doing anything
Jan 19 17:58:50 <king> Is the bug there in the 24 Dec images in shr-testing as well?
Jan 19 17:59:16 <king> Are there any planes to release any stable builds soon?
Jan 19 17:59:22 <mrmoku> IIRC corrrectly... no
Jan 19 17:59:46 <mrmoku> king: difficult to say... we would be happy to have a nice testing first :-)
Jan 19 18:00:49 <king> mrmoku, As OM has released OM2008.12 as the last release, what is going to be the official OM build now? FSO is just the backend. What is the OM sponsored distro now?
Jan 19 18:01:13 <mrmoku> king: I think it is paroli on top of FSO/e17
Jan 19 18:01:45 <king> mrmoku, How does shr fit into all this? Will both projects be able to borrow liberally from each other?
Jan 19 18:02:44 <mrmoku> king: hmm... difficult to say. borrow code directly - don't think so.
Jan 19 18:03:02 <mrmoku> we're sharing the same base
Jan 19 18:03:09 <mrmoku> and might have the same problems :-)
Jan 19 18:03:34 <king> mrmoku, Yes. Would the projects merge in the future? How do the 'end in minds' and 'tools employed' of paroli and shr differ?
Jan 19 18:04:54 <bumbl> king: they won't
Jan 19 18:04:59 <bumbl> shr uses mainly C
Jan 19 18:05:06 <bumbl> om uses python
Jan 19 18:05:07 <Dave> Hi Mumbl
Jan 19 18:05:08 <mrmoku> king: I don't know much about paroli. Never tried... never looked at it.
Jan 19 18:05:14 <bumbl> Davey
Jan 19 18:05:28 <bumbl> shr uses elementary
Jan 19 18:05:37 <bumbl> paroli uses evas, edje and etk
Jan 19 18:06:16 <king> bumbl, Can't the two projects sit and decide what tools would best serve all of our common purpose? It is 2009 now. Looking at Palm WebOS makes the FR look like a Cordless phone!
Jan 19 18:07:03 <mrmoku> king: this is what Ainulindale offered to paroli (IIRC)... to join the efforts...
Jan 19 18:07:06 <bumbl> king: sorry but palm webos is compared to the iphone a bad joke ... and you can't compare palm with openmoko
Jan 19 18:07:11 <mrmoku> guess there was not much interest on paroli side
Jan 19 18:07:24 <bumbl> because they serve different markets
Jan 19 18:07:26 <mirko-paroli> seems I just came at the right time :)
Jan 19 18:08:02 <king> bumbl, How is it a joke, I fail to see it.
Jan 19 18:08:02 <mirko-paroli> mrmoku: want me to comment :)
Jan 19 18:08:22 <mrmoku> mirko-paroli: hi, yeah... please do so :-)
Jan 19 18:08:40 <mirko-paroli> mrmoku: I believe there is fundamental differences in the two approaches
Jan 19 18:08:43 <mirko-paroli> SHR follows the C path
Jan 19 18:08:47 <king> mrmoku, What do you think happened? Paroli has better developer tools in mind, or different 'ends'?
Jan 19 18:08:49 <bumbl> king: you know back then when everyone complained that the only way to get apps to the iphone was via browser? palm sells this unwanted iphone feature as new and outstanding
Jan 19 18:08:55 <mirko-paroli> and elimentary if I recall correctly
Jan 19 18:08:58 <bumbl> btw. i neither like apple nor palm
Jan 19 18:09:02 <mirko-paroli> 2 things we do not use in paroli
Jan 19 18:09:12 <mirko-paroli> so joining forces would be difficult
Jan 19 18:09:31 <king> bumbl, You don't have to like them, can't you appreciate innovation even if it is done by companies you don't like?
Jan 19 18:09:37 <mirko-paroli> I am very interested in any exchange of experiences and help each other etc
Jan 19 18:09:44 <bumbl> king: it is no innovation
Jan 19 18:09:52 <king> bumbl, If it works offline, and achieves the ends and is snappy enough who cares what language it uses?
Jan 19 18:10:18 <bumbl> the "innovation" they want to sell you is even available on my portable flac player
Jan 19 18:10:19 <mirko-paroli> and I personally think we would all profit from collaboration over rivalry
Jan 19 18:10:21 <king> bumbl, given that it would lead to rapid application development?
Jan 19 18:10:47 <mirko-paroli> so if there is any ideas how that could work I am all in for it
Jan 19 18:10:51 <bumbl> i just want to say that the idea is neither new nor it will have many benefits
Jan 19 18:11:07 <king> mirko, What did the paroli project think of SHRs efforts when it decided that joining SHR wouldn't be a great idea for everyone concerned?
Jan 19 18:11:11 <bumbl> as the performance will be bad (ok freerunner performance sucks hard)
Jan 19 18:11:27 <king> bumbl, The OMAP3 chip scales upto 1ghz!
Jan 19 18:11:50 <mirko-paroli> king: the question didn't pose itself as such, due to the different technolgies used
Jan 19 18:13:52 <king> mirko-paroli, Would you know whether the technologies used different are due to differences in assessment of strengths of the technologies used or developer expertise?
Jan 19 18:13:52 <bumbl> king: webbased means js, css, html based
Jan 19 18:14:07 <bumbl> none of them is famous for performance
Jan 19 18:14:39 <mirko-paroli> king: neither it is the goal of the projects, in my opinion
Jan 19 18:14:56 <king> bumbl, If they got a spiffy enough processor and a always on back end of the browser, running apps like Prism does, actually seems to be a very good idea.
Jan 19 18:15:09 <king> mirko-paroli, Goal meaning?
Jan 19 18:15:39 <mirko-paroli> king: I know C coders won't like me for saying this, but the entrance level for coding python is lower
Jan 19 18:16:11 <king> mirko-paroli, You require wider community input?
Jan 19 18:16:25 <mirko-paroli> king: so we hope to attract people to start coding that wouldn't if it was C ?
Jan 19 18:16:32 <mirko-paroli> sry that was not a question
Jan 19 18:16:41 <mirko-paroli> king: wider support in what sense ?
Jan 19 18:16:59 <mirko-paroli> king: the idea and goal is it to develop as open and as publicly as possible
Jan 19 18:17:01 <king> mirko-paroli, Wider input meaning just what you said - more coders writing apps for it.
Jan 19 18:17:06 <bumbl> king: most of todays web 2.0 thingies are not that snappy on my p4 which is by far more powerful than any arm processor out there so I don't expect wonders
Jan 19 18:17:27 <mirko-paroli> king: and don't get me wrong I am not suggesting that SHR does not follow these goals
Jan 19 18:17:40 <mirko-paroli> king, we want to enable very many people to write apps
Jan 19 18:17:45 <king> bumbl, I have hopes in the javascript engine speed race though.
Jan 19 18:18:03 <mirko-paroli> king of course we would be happy about many contributions, no doubt
Jan 19 18:18:37 <king> mirko-paroli, Right, and OM's weight is behind you people, so it is probably widely advertised on the main sight and will come pre-loaded on the GTA03.
Jan 19 18:18:40 <dos1> Sharwin_F: i mean dimming screen
Jan 19 18:18:48 <bumbl> king: let's see what they show us end of 2009/2010 when they launch the pre
Jan 19 18:18:57 <king> mirko-paroli, Talking about images, do you have any ready yet? Do you have a roadmap, timeline?
Jan 19 18:19:03 <king> bumbl, pre is coming in March!
Jan 19 18:19:17 <mirko-paroli> king, image not yet, we are working on a version
Jan 19 18:19:29 <mirko-paroli> I believe we have package problems due to the OM move :(
Jan 19 18:19:36 <bumbl> king: i never saw a single phone ship on time
Jan 19 18:19:39 <mirko-paroli> and restructuring of the repos
Jan 19 18:19:47 <bumbl> so i am not that optimistic
Jan 19 18:19:48 <bumbl> +
Jan 19 18:19:58 <bumbl> i am crused by the freerunner
Jan 19 18:20:04 <king> bumbl, as in?
Jan 19 18:20:10 <mirko-paroli> and the roadmap and timeline are in the making
Jan 19 18:20:45 <king> mirko-paroli, Would really be interesting to see those. Do you have estimates?
Jan 19 18:21:12 <bumbl> king: openmoko announced and gave an eta for the freerunner long before they actually were able to ship
Jan 19 18:21:22 <mirko-paroli> king, p is launchable just not stable and there are glitches
Jan 19 18:21:24 <bumbl> and as openmoko published their problems
Jan 19 18:21:41 <bumbl> we can guess what possibly can go wrong
Jan 19 18:21:50 <mirko-paroli> we hope to have a testing version ready by mid/end-feb
Jan 19 18:21:59 <king> bumbl, OM is a hobby company inside FIC, Palm is the company that brought smartphones to the world is hungry for survival. The priorities of the backing companies are very different.
Jan 19 18:23:15 <bumbl> king: nokia is world leader and they don't ship on time either
Jan 19 18:23:49 <bumbl> mirko-paroli: btw i totally agree with you - coding python is easier and faster than coding C
Jan 19 18:24:16 <bumbl> if you don't have enough knowledge about programming in general
Jan 19 18:24:17 <king> bumbl, What do you have to say about performance overheads of python in such a limited power device like the FR?
Jan 19 18:24:29 <king> bumbl, Is it a good gamble?
Jan 19 18:26:03 <bumbl> hmm hard to say
Jan 19 18:27:25 <bumbl> python on the freerunner is on the one side fast enough for most of the apps
Jan 19 18:28:13 <bumbl> but on the other side alone starting the interpreter takes a long time
Jan 19 18:28:25 <bumbl> om is working on that though
Jan 19 18:29:23 <king> bumbl, Having the interpreter sitting in the RAM always is something.
Jan 19 18:30:20 <bumbl> yep
Jan 19 18:31:28 <king> bumbl, People even used to yell about interpreted languages in desktop computers until recently.
Jan 19 18:32:00 <king> bumbl, What would you bet your money on? SHR or Paroli - to deliver the most stable and functional OS in the first half of 2009?
Jan 19 18:32:23 <mirko-paroli> king wow now we are getting in the dirt here :)
Jan 19 18:32:56 <king> mirko-paroli, just a personal opinion. Nothing more.
Jan 19 18:33:10 <dos1> king: my feelings are that SHR is closer right now
Jan 19 18:33:17 <dos1> king: but maybe paroli will suprise me ;)
Jan 19 18:33:17 <mirko-paroli> all good, I work better under pressure :)
Jan 19 18:33:25 <mirko-paroli> dos1 we'll do our best
Jan 19 18:33:35 <king> mirko-paroli, Till we see the first image that is :)
Jan 19 18:33:53 <mirko-paroli> btw
Jan 19 18:34:01 <mirko-paroli> paroli is not limited to a certain image
Jan 19 18:34:16 <mirko-paroli> there has even talk been going on about implementing a settings app using paroli
Jan 19 18:34:26 <mirko-paroli> which could then run on any FreeRunner
Jan 19 18:34:37 <mirko-paroli> on any OS
Jan 19 18:34:39 <dos1> king: i have installed paroli on shr
Jan 19 18:35:00 <king> dos1, Mr. Mirko here talks about glitches in it, how do you find it?
Jan 19 18:35:17 <king> mirko-paroli, How usable it is to run it on top of any other distro.
Jan 19 18:35:21 <dos1> king: it's unstable as hell
Jan 19 18:35:33 <mirko-paroli> i am afraid I have to agree with dos1
Jan 19 18:35:36 <king> dos1, Which SHR repo you use?
Jan 19 18:35:49 <dos1> king: and messaging app is displaying only first page - there is no way to scroll
Jan 19 18:35:57 <king> mirko-paroli, You got some determination there :)
Jan 19 18:36:01 <dos1> king: official and mine, but paroli i have from om repo
Jan 19 18:36:06 <mirko-paroli> dos1 mind opening a bug for that?
Jan 19 18:36:22 <mirko-paroli> and for anything else you find :)
Jan 19 18:36:38 <king> Is official, the shr-testing or the shr-unstable one?
Jan 19 18:36:41 <dos1> mirko-paroli: in free time i will ;)
Jan 19 18:36:44 <dos1> king: unstable
Jan 19 18:36:54 <mirko-paroli> hehe thx
Jan 19 18:37:01 <king> dos1, Do you have the bug about constant cpu consumption?
Jan 19 18:37:09 <king> mirko-paroli, Where does your gang hang out?
Jan 19 18:37:11 <dos1> king: of what?
Jan 19 18:37:19 <mirko-paroli> king, in what sense?
Jan 19 18:37:33 <king> dos1, <mrmoku> yep, enlightenment consumes around 20% of CPU without doing anything
Jan 19 18:37:47 <dos1> king: yes, sometimes i have it
Jan 19 18:37:49 <king> mirko-paroli, You know the Parolians.
Jan 19 18:38:05 <king> dos1, How do you make it go away?
Jan 19 18:38:14 <mirko-paroli> I know who you mean, but the where I don't understand
Jan 19 18:38:17 <mirko-paroli> right now?
Jan 19 18:38:19 <mirko-paroli> where we live?
Jan 19 18:38:25 <dos1> king: sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't - it's not depending of me
Jan 19 18:38:41 <dos1> mirko-paroli: i think some homepage or something like this
Jan 19 18:38:43 <king> mirko-paroli, I meant the online presence :) But offline would do as well if we live close by.
Jan 19 18:38:44 <dos1> paroli-project.org?
Jan 19 18:39:10 <mirko-paroli> dos1 yapp that's the one
Jan 19 18:39:15 <mirko-paroli> sry I didnt get that :)
Jan 19 18:39:27 <king> mirko-paroli, How did the name come? 'Paroli'?
Jan 19 18:39:30 <mirko-paroli> king, I am in swe so i am probably not in the area
Jan 19 18:39:40 <mirko-paroli> paroli is esperanto for talk/conversation
Jan 19 18:39:57 <mirko-paroli> and we thought that was rather fitting for the kind of app we are building here
Jan 19 18:41:12 <dos1> mirko-paroli: how paroli was invented? i don't get it, all the time since paroli was announced :x who invented it? how openmoko selected it to be 2009.x stack?
Jan 19 18:41:38 <king> dos1, You know $$$ ;)
Jan 19 18:41:42 <mirko-paroli> the whole concept ?
Jan 19 18:41:48 <mirko-paroli> who wrote it?
Jan 19 18:42:11 <mirko-paroli> it is a mix of several ideas actually
Jan 19 18:42:20 <king> mirko-paroli, Yes, it would be interesting to know.
Jan 19 18:42:24 <mirko-paroli> one of the fathers or mothers was the tichy project
Jan 19 18:42:24 <dos1> mirko-paroli: is openmoko behind it from beginings? or was it chosen by om later?
Jan 19 18:43:06 <mirko-paroli> it is an OM initiative
Jan 19 18:43:12 <mirko-paroli> right from the beginning
Jan 19 18:43:19 <mirko-paroli> or the idea anyhow
Jan 19 18:43:33 <mirko-paroli> but development on tichy was carried out outside of OM as well
Jan 19 18:43:53 <mirko-paroli> and then it came back home and merged with the paroli approach
Jan 19 18:43:58 <mirko-paroli> since then we have paroli
Jan 19 18:44:47 <king> mirko-paroli, Nice.
Jan 19 18:44:54 <Ainulindale> 19:09:03 < mirko-paroli> 2 things we do not use in paroli
Jan 19 18:45:01 <Ainulindale> (elementary and C)
Jan 19 18:45:03 <dos1> mirko-paroli: ok, thanks for explaining, it was not clear for me (and i think for others) how paroli was created ;)
Jan 19 18:45:03 <Ainulindale> you can hardly say so
Jan 19 18:45:12 <Ainulindale> based on the fact that you started paroli from scratch
Jan 19 18:45:17 <Ainulindale> and I told you about that at the beginning
Jan 19 18:45:30 <bumbl> king: i would say shr is ahead but this is mainly because they have started before - i think developing an application is faster so paroli might develop fast
Jan 19 18:46:01 <mirko-paroli> Ainulindale as I said it was not a critique on the shr techs and/or approaches
Jan 19 18:46:10 <yoyo> question for frameworkd deveropers: why I get from time to time http://pastebin.com/d252f91c0
Jan 19 18:46:36 <dos1> yoyo: looks like gsm0710muxd problem
Jan 19 18:46:50 <king> bumbl, Yes, it may not need as much momentum as SHR has required.
Jan 19 18:46:57 <mirko-paroli> Ainulindale : it was always our plan to use python and no toolkit or at least as little as possible
Jan 19 18:47:26 <Ainulindale> king: SHR had momentum because for 3 months I was alone
Jan 19 18:47:29 <mrmoku> yoyo: check your syslog (via readlog) gsm0710muxd logs there
Jan 19 18:47:32 <Ainulindale> Then quickdev came in
Jan 19 18:48:07 <dos1> mirko-paroli: do you know how about python interpreter launcher, to make starting of python apps faster?
Jan 19 18:48:09 <king> Ainulindale, Hey there. You meant you were working on it all alone, providing all the steam!
Jan 19 18:48:29 <dos1> mirko-paroli: it was promised by optimisation team, but it is not here :(
Jan 19 18:48:36 <Ainulindale> king: yes
Jan 19 18:48:40 <root_at> if i want to use gprs in shr, do i need to install anything? do i have to modify anything?
Jan 19 18:48:43 <Ainulindale> There was a team, the team kind of "disbanded"
Jan 19 18:48:50 <Ainulindale> Then quickdev came in and it went on again
Jan 19 18:49:05 <mirko-paroli> dos1 nope, sry can't help you, not sure what ever happend to that (the py interpreter launcher)
Jan 19 18:49:07 <king> root_at, There is the fso-gps* file that needs a little work. Let me check.
Jan 19 18:49:33 <dos1> king: he is asking about gprs, not gps
Jan 19 18:49:43 <Ainulindale> king: and to answer your question
Jan 19 18:49:45 <root_at> yeah
Jan 19 18:49:46 <yoyo> mrmoku: how can I repair it ?
Jan 19 18:49:49 <king> dos1, Oh.
Jan 19 18:49:53 <Ainulindale> king: SHR is first and foremost a community project
Jan 19 18:49:56 <Ainulindale> Not sponsored by OM in any way
Jan 19 18:50:08 <Ainulindale> And it will stay that way
Jan 19 18:50:18 <king> Ainulindale, You speak quite earnestly.
Jan 19 18:50:21 <dos1> that's why SHR can be really good
Jan 19 18:50:29 <Ainulindale> king: "earnestly"?
Jan 19 18:50:33 <dos1> if only we have enough people with time to hack it
Jan 19 18:50:36 <king> Ainulindale, Is OMs backing going to hurt it?
Jan 19 18:50:49 <Ainulindale> king: that depends
Jan 19 18:51:09 <king> dos1, Would you point me to that two line editing that the fso-gps* file required to get the daemon up, please?
Jan 19 18:51:17 <dos1> king: it's different to contribute to community project than do job, for which you ern money
Jan 19 18:51:25 <dos1> king: /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd
Jan 19 18:51:36 <king> dos1, I meant those specific edits.
Jan 19 18:51:38 <dos1> king: before -S you have to add -- i think
Jan 19 18:51:51 <king> dos1, Yes, something like that I remember.
Jan 19 18:51:57 <dos1> king: you can upgrade fso-gpsd package from http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/
Jan 19 18:52:13 <Ainulindale> king: OM has proven to be quite unstable, they can't start something and end it properly
Jan 19 18:52:16 <Ainulindale> And I don't like that
Jan 19 18:52:40 <bumbl> hehe
Jan 19 18:53:02 <dos1> king: when you are doing job for money, you have to do some goals for some time - and you can do it in not clean way
Jan 19 18:53:04 <king> Ainulindale, SHR was the first time I could appreciate the openness of FR rather than abhor it :)
Jan 19 18:53:12 <dos1> king: only for goal being done
Jan 19 18:53:18 <Ainulindale> king: I'm happy to hear about that
Jan 19 18:53:20 <yoyo> mrmoku: it is posible to repair it witout restarting ?
Jan 19 18:53:25 <Ainulindale> king: I hope it'll stay that way
Jan 19 18:53:38 <dos1> king: when you are contributing as community member, you want to do it as good as you can
Jan 19 18:53:40 <Ainulindale> (If it doesn't, please be sure I won't be there)
Jan 19 18:53:50 <bumbl> Ainulindale: do you know if quickdev has any new changes?
Jan 19 18:53:56 <dos1> king: but there is disadventage - it's harder to find free time to do it
Jan 19 18:54:16 <dos1> king: it's psychology :)
Jan 19 18:54:34 <king> dos1, Your theory is not very sound. People who are paid may do a better job. It entirely depends on the person irrespective of whether it is a community project or a paid one.
Jan 19 18:55:16 <king> Ainulindale, Have you been leading SHR right from the start?
Jan 19 18:55:18 <dos1> king: yes, it depends of person, but i'm saying in generality - it's different feeling to do paid job and community job
Jan 19 18:55:30 <Ainulindale> king: it depends on what you mean by lead
Jan 19 18:55:45 <Ainulindale> king: it was supposed to be wurp2 but he had no time so I helped him to do it
Jan 19 18:55:47 <king> Ainulindale, Lets just keep it to - 'believing in its cause' right from the start?
Jan 19 18:55:57 <Ainulindale> Yep
Jan 19 18:56:06 <king> And then the team disbanded. How did that team come together?
Jan 19 18:56:20 <Ainulindale> Well, advertising :-p
Jan 19 18:56:30 <Ainulindale> And quickdev's eagerness
Jan 19 18:56:42 <king> Ainulindale, Would you give me some background on quickdev?
Jan 19 18:56:42 <bumbl> king: Ainulindale is the cook and silent leader/manager/man for everything
Jan 19 18:56:56 <king> bumbl, :)
Jan 19 18:57:06 <Ainulindale> king: hmmm
Jan 19 18:57:11 <Ainulindale> he's the UI devleoper
Jan 19 18:57:13 <Ainulindale> he's german
Jan 19 18:57:14 <Ainulindale> young
Jan 19 18:57:19 <king> :-D
Jan 19 18:57:23 <Ainulindale> and he codes really reaally badly
Jan 19 18:57:26 <Ainulindale> but it works
Jan 19 18:57:27 <Ainulindale> so I don't care
Jan 19 18:57:29 <bumbl> hahah
Jan 19 18:57:33 <king> :))
Jan 19 18:57:33 <dos1> :DD
Jan 19 18:57:36 <Ainulindale> But ptitjes is the worst
Jan 19 18:57:39 <Ainulindale> (coder I mean)
Jan 19 18:57:57 <king> What prog. language do the UI people work with?
Jan 19 18:58:07 <Ainulindale> C/elementary
Jan 19 18:58:08 <bumbl> C
Jan 19 18:58:11 <dos1> king: C, elementary
Jan 19 18:58:11 <Ainulindale> There are people working in C/gtk
Jan 19 18:58:17 <mirko-paroli> ok was nice chatting with you guys
Jan 19 18:58:20 <Ainulindale> Some of us did python too
Jan 19 18:58:28 <mirko-paroli> Ainulindale: maybe we should talk some time
Jan 19 18:58:29 <bumbl> shr-settings is done in python + elementary
Jan 19 18:58:34 <Ainulindale> mirko-paroli: about what?
Jan 19 18:58:36 <king> mirko-paroli, Keep up the high spirits!
Jan 19 18:58:39 <dos1> python - like me and others shr-settings guys ;)
Jan 19 18:58:53 <mirko-paroli> Ainulindale: exchange of ideas/experiences don't know
Jan 19 18:59:06 <mirko-paroli> Ainulindale: but I ain't a big fan of bashing
Jan 19 18:59:07 <king> dos1, How would I upgrade the fso-gpsd package from the link you pointed me to?
Jan 19 18:59:19 <Ainulindale> mirko-paroli: bashing? Why bashing? Who's bashing?
Jan 19 18:59:22 <Ainulindale> 42?
Jan 19 18:59:24 <dos1> king: i think simply downloading package and installing it should work
Jan 19 18:59:26 <mirko-paroli> Ainulindale: no one is
Jan 19 18:59:33 <Ainulindale> Then why this thought?
Jan 19 18:59:38 <mirko-paroli> Ainulindale: just thought might be nice, was just an idea
Jan 19 18:59:39 <king> Look at this convo!
Jan 19 18:59:40 <mrmoku> yoyo: don't know... what is it saying (syslog)
Jan 19 18:59:41 <Ainulindale> (My teeth hurt god dammit)
Jan 19 18:59:47 <mirko-paroli> cya
Jan 19 19:00:05 <king> Poor fellow.
Jan 19 19:00:08 <Ainulindale> Well I didn't get his point about bashing, non bashing
Jan 19 19:00:38 <king> Ainulindale, He anticipated your blows and so was taking it soft and easy.
Jan 19 19:00:44 <Ainulindale> My blows ?
Jan 19 19:00:51 <Ainulindale> Why would I hit/hate anyone?
Jan 19 19:01:01 <bumbl> anyone here speaking spanish? what does "economy crisis" mean in spanish?
Jan 19 19:01:04 <Ainulindale> It's open source, and I'm the "leader" of a community
Jan 19 19:01:19 <Ainulindale> So it's not my place to hit anybody
Jan 19 19:01:31 <Ainulindale> And besides, I offered him a hand, he didn't bother to answer at the time
Jan 19 19:01:32 <king> Ainulindale, Your 'potential' blows. You have a lot of personal involvement in SHR and suddenly a paroli guy comes up, he would do best to befriend you, wouldn't he?
Jan 19 19:01:51 <Ainulindale> king: I didn't follow your reasoning
Jan 19 19:02:39 <king> Ainulindale, He wanted to befriend you and get some good advertising and the best way was through you. But not bothering with you before made him a little cautious of your 'potiential' blows.
Jan 19 19:03:00 <king> Ainulindale, look at that statement. I must be getting real bad by now :-|
Jan 19 19:03:08 <Ainulindale> Get some good advertising?
Jan 19 19:03:25 <Ainulindale> It's open source for god's sake!
Jan 19 19:04:42 <king> One needs users, testers, enthusiasts, whatever is available to add some momentum to a new project even if it is open source.
Jan 19 19:05:32 <Ainulindale> king: on that I agree
Jan 19 19:05:49 <Ainulindale> And I won't use paroli, as I have no use to it as it stands against what I think is a "good solution"
Jan 19 19:06:13 <Ainulindale> And for other, personal reasons, which I won't state publicly, though it has nothing to do with the project itself
Jan 19 19:06:21 <king> Ainulindale, Hm.
Jan 19 19:06:31 <Ainulindale> (by the way)
Jan 19 19:06:42 <Ainulindale> (good solution, to me, is, and ever will be C for memory resident software)
Jan 19 19:06:48 <yoyo> mrmoku: http://pastebin.com/d2d71321a
Jan 19 19:06:53 <Ainulindale> (don't care about what the others think)
Jan 19 19:07:08 <king> Ainulindale, You are alienating novices :-/
Jan 19 19:07:13 <Ainulindale> Heh :-)
Jan 19 19:07:36 <mrmoku> yoyo: do you have /dev/ttySAC?
Jan 19 19:07:53 <king> Ainulindale, Changing the topic, I had written a design overview of the freerunner which I thought you might like to go through. Did you get those pms?
Jan 19 19:08:02 <yoyo> mrmoku: yes SAC0 and SAC1
Jan 19 19:08:25 <mrmoku> yoyo: hmm, don't know then... maybe PaulFertser_ can help
Jan 19 19:08:45 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: ping
Jan 19 19:08:59 * bumbl throws in pyneo just to confuse king 
Jan 19 19:09:13 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: Yes, yes... Are you sure no other instance of muxer is running? Check ps ax output.
Jan 19 19:09:21 <Ainulindale> king: nope
Jan 19 19:09:24 * king ducks without understanding what has been thrown.
Jan 19 19:09:29 <Ainulindale> (sorry I'm cooking here)
Jan 19 19:09:37 <bumbl> king: www.pyneo.org
Jan 19 19:09:54 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: a new bitbake recipe to take over the world I hope :P
Jan 19 19:10:04 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: I kill all gsm0710muxd and all frameworkd 
Jan 19 19:10:41 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: lsof | grep SAC tells my notching not open
Jan 19 19:10:41 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: have you checked that they're really killed? gsm0710muxd sometimes doesn't honor SIGTERM.
Jan 19 19:11:13 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: does "cat /det/ttySAC0" immediately return?
Jan 19 19:11:18 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: ps ax | grep [g]sm clean
Jan 19 19:11:41 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: yes return immediately ttySAC0
Jan 19 19:11:57 <dos1> Ainulindale: "(good solution, to me, is, and ever will be C for memory resident software)" - what's about frameworkd?
Jan 19 19:12:16 <bumbl> dos1: frameworkd will be vala soon
Jan 19 19:12:36 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: don't tellmy the only way is reboot 
Jan 19 19:12:44 <dos1> bumbl: hmm... ok, i understand :)
Jan 19 19:12:57 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: it is not windows !
Jan 19 19:12:59 <dos1> yoyo: poweroff modem! :D
Jan 19 19:13:14 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: i had i think the same problem today. Even reboot didn't help. I had to power off the device. Then it worked after restart. I couldn't figure what's going on, but it was strange.
Jan 19 19:13:39 <dos1> PaulFertser_: something weird with calypso?
Jan 19 19:13:41 <bumbl> dos1: at least the performance relevant parts are and will be rewritten
Jan 19 19:13:54 <bumbl> s/rewritten/reimplemented
Jan 19 19:14:17 <PaulFertser_> dos1: i'm not sure. I've tried to echo 0 > power_on the calypso's power line. Should teoretically be equivalent to full poweroff.
Jan 19 19:14:54 <bumbl> and because of vala -> ansi c -> binary it will have most of C's advantages + object orientation
Jan 19 19:15:05 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: I'm duing this now
Jan 19 19:15:17 <tilman> vala is nice until you look at the  c code it generates ;)
Jan 19 19:15:30 <dos1> yoyo: doing
Jan 19 19:15:33 <dos1> ;)
Jan 19 19:15:39 <tilman> especially its string handling. but maybe that got better since i last looked at it
Jan 19 19:15:45 <yoyo> dos1: my personal spell chk :)
Jan 19 19:15:55 <yoyo> dzieki ci :)
Jan 19 19:22:10 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: it mast by somthing with hardware :/ 
Jan 19 19:22:36 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: I stop almoust all proces and the same result
Jan 19 19:22:39 <dos1> must
Jan 19 19:22:43 <dos1> ;]
Jan 19 19:22:53 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: does it mean you powered off, then powered on, and the issue is still there?
Jan 19 19:22:53 <yoyo> dos1: thx one more time :)
Jan 19 19:23:13 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: powered off the whole device, i mean.
Jan 19 19:23:44 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: I dliko to know how to handle that kinde of a problem :/
Jan 19 19:24:12 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: it is not a windows. 
Jan 19 19:26:48 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: Can you answer my question or not?!
Jan 19 19:27:20 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: ok I turn off device
Jan 19 19:27:33 <yoyo> but don't remove battery problem is still there
Jan 19 19:27:46 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: i did the same. Not removing the battery. But "reboot" didn't help.
Jan 19 19:28:01 <yoyo> wird ?
Jan 19 19:28:33 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: i tried to change stty parameters, no go. Later i compared stty parameters that worked after reboot and those that didn't work before. They looked the same.
Jan 19 19:29:06 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: i tried to keep the modem disabled for some time with echo 0 > power_on, no go.
Jan 19 19:29:18 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: reboot and battery out
Jan 19 19:30:21 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: then i did "poweroff" waited a little and turned on again. It worked. And i have no idea why.
Jan 19 19:30:23 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: it means I shoud put a window information in my yphonekitd. sory but your need to poweroff the device and remove the battery for a moment :P
Jan 19 19:31:11 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: i didn't remove the battery. I just did "poweroff". 
Jan 19 19:31:28 <yoyo> poweroff for my din't help o.O
Jan 19 19:33:34 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: in log from frameworkd it make chanel in /dev/pts/* nat in /dev/ttySAC0
Jan 19 19:34:24 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: gsm0710muxd provides virtual channels through pty's (that is, /dev/pts/*).
Jan 19 19:34:33 <yoyo> hy
Jan 19 19:36:14 <yoyo> ok back on-line :P
Jan 19 19:36:47 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: what have you changed?
Jan 19 19:37:14 <yoyo> pormanently power off move sim card put battery in powerup
Jan 19 19:37:24 <yoyo> permanently
Jan 19 19:38:27 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: any ideas what went wrong in the first place?
Jan 19 19:38:36 <yoyo> no :(
Jan 19 19:39:27 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: I'm now writing my own phonekitd. and I fiev times request resources meby it ?
Jan 19 19:39:51 <dos1> few times, maybe it
Jan 19 19:40:04 <dos1> yoyo: your errors are funny ;D
Jan 19 19:40:11 <yoyo> dos1: writing true
Jan 19 19:40:36 <dos1> yoyo: you are putting polish phonetics in english words ;)
Jan 19 19:41:08 <bumbl> dos1: where is the problem
Jan 19 19:41:11 <yoyo> dos1: I have dyslekcja, dyskrofia, ogulny zymuzg
Jan 19 19:41:39 <dos1> bumbl: what problem?
Jan 19 19:41:52 <bumbl> the mexicans do the same with spanish <-> english
Jan 19 19:42:31 <bumbl> yoyo: at last the polish word dyslekcja is more or less the same as dyslexic
Jan 19 19:42:57 <yoyo> bumbl: :)
Jan 19 19:43:00 <PaulFertser_> dos1: and i'm sometimes putting english phonetics in english words. Like too instead of 2, right instead of write or smth ;)
Jan 19 19:43:15 <dos1> bumbl: i'm always writing "something" as "somethink" ;)
Jan 19 19:44:16 <dos1> bumbl: yep. i'm correcting yoyo when i think, that words that he wrote are hardly understandable by non polish people ;)
Jan 19 19:44:24 <yoyo> ok receiver for incoming active release done :)
Jan 19 19:44:55 <dos1> i'm making many mistakes in english too
Jan 19 19:45:03 <dos1> my grammar is sometimes very bad
Jan 19 19:45:19 <bumbl> hehe same here
Jan 19 19:45:22 <dos1> and typos - but not, when writing on keyboard, but when thinking about word :D
Jan 19 19:45:48 <dos1> i think my english interpunction has many influences from polish one too ;)
Jan 19 19:46:16 * bumbl puts up a sign: "attention: english still under construction"
Jan 19 19:47:53 * dos1 needs that sign too :)
Jan 19 19:48:03 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: if i suspect that multiple GSM resource requests can provoke problems, why don't you look at your frameworkd.log?
Jan 19 19:48:33 <PaulFertser_> s/ i / you /
Jan 19 19:48:34 <bzzbot> PaulFertser_ meant: yoyo: if you suspect that multiple GSM resource requests can provoke problems, why don't you look at your frameworkd.log?
Jan 19 19:48:38 <dos1> but i think my chatting on this channel is good for my english
Jan 19 19:48:42 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: I hawe tail -f from it all time
Jan 19 19:48:43 <dos1> good chance to practice :)
Jan 19 19:48:56 <bumbl> dos1: i disagree
Jan 19 19:49:14 <dos1> bumbl: vocabulary, not grammar
Jan 19 19:49:17 <dos1> ;]
Jan 19 19:49:29 <bumbl> chatting is bad for the language -  at least chatting in german takes its toll
Jan 19 19:49:35 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: so? It shouldn't try to allocate more than 3 channels no matter how many times you request the resource.
Jan 19 19:49:49 <bumbl> dos1: hehe yep
Jan 19 19:49:54 <dos1> bumbl: sometimes i'm learning by searching some word i don't undestand in dictionary
Jan 19 19:50:34 <dos1> bumbl: or when i want to say something in english, that i don't know how
Jan 19 19:50:41 <yoyo> PaulFertser_: ok then. How can I release not my'n resource?
Jan 19 19:50:55 <dos1> specially when someone is asking me :D
Jan 19 19:51:03 <yoyo> Or how to get info how many resources is in use?
Jan 19 19:51:03 <dos1> uh, dillo configure failed :(
Jan 19 19:51:19 <mrmoku> especially when germans, russians, polish, french, italian,... are chatting in english :P
Jan 19 19:51:24 <mrmoku> do we have any native speaker here?
Jan 19 19:51:40 <bumbl> Dave, mwester
Jan 19 19:51:44 <mrmoku> bumbl: sorry, austrians too :-)
Jan 19 19:52:01 <bumbl> mrmoku: count us as german speakers
Jan 19 19:52:03 <dos1> http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/dillo-0.8.6-r2/temp/log.do_configure.27108
Jan 19 19:52:07 <bumbl> noone knows we exist
Jan 19 19:52:16 <bumbl> so that's not a problem
Jan 19 19:52:24 <bumbl> p
Jan 19 19:52:31 <mrmoku> hehe :-)
Jan 19 19:53:12 <mrmoku> and then there is TAsn... coming the long way from israel to have fun in your snowy mountains :-)
Jan 19 19:53:13 <dos1> it was task 4540 of 4726 :(
Jan 19 19:53:35 <bumbl> mrmoku: hehe
Jan 19 19:54:31 <PaulFertser_> yoyo: i can't explain it. Just analize the log :) I'm not FSO developer ;)
Jan 19 19:54:44 <yoyo> :| 
Jan 19 19:54:56 <dos1> mrmoku: can you help me with my dillo problem? :)
Jan 19 19:55:19 <dos1> uh, fbreader failed too, at the same moment
Jan 19 19:55:36 <bumbl> mrmoku: at least TAsn has the best weather in austria
Jan 19 19:55:50 <dos1> http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/tmp/work/om-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/fbreader-0.8.2a-r5/temp/log.do_compile.28288
Jan 19 19:56:18 <yoyo> opkg remove libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0 libframeworkd-phonegui0 ophonekitd pyphonelog -fo
Jan 19 19:56:19 <yoyo> rce-depends :)) iihaa :) byby ophonekitd
Jan 19 19:56:21 <bumbl> it is cold and sunny
Jan 19 19:56:48 <dos1> yoyo: "byebye" ;)
Jan 19 19:56:59 <yoyo> dos1: thx one more time 
Jan 19 19:58:23 <Dave> Hi Mrmoku, how is your moko today?
Jan 19 19:58:36 <Sharwin_F> mrmoku, I'm having some kind of trouble with libcrypto and libssl
Jan 19 20:00:13 <dos1> uh, i have something weird with bitbake
Jan 19 20:00:28 <dos1> Fatal Python error: GC object already tracked
Jan 19 20:00:28 <dos1> ./build-package: line 6: 28663 Aborted                 bitbake $@
Jan 19 20:00:35 <dos1> (build-package is my simple script)
Jan 19 20:00:47 <dos1> after caching bb files
Jan 19 20:06:23 <yoyo> hyyy in framework is signal org.freesmartphone.GSM.Networ and signal named "IncomingUssd" hyyy I recived ussd and it don't return nothing :/
Jan 19 20:06:33 <dos1> on fastboot patches opkg_svn isn't applying
Jan 19 20:06:38 <dos1> the same with vagalume-icons
Jan 19 20:07:19 <mrmoku> Sharwin_F: what kind of trouble
Jan 19 20:08:14 <yoyo> SendUssdRequest :) returns "Antenna powered off or SIM not unlocked yet" cool
Jan 19 20:08:47 <mrmoku> dos1: looks like fbreader is borked
Jan 19 20:11:58 <mrmoku> dos1: I think your script is not finished yet ;)
Jan 19 20:12:11 <dos1> mrmoku: it's only 2 lines
Jan 19 20:12:18 <dos1> or 3
Jan 19 20:12:20 <dos1> . ./setup-env
Jan 19 20:12:23 <dos1> bitbake $@
Jan 19 20:12:32 <dos1> and bitbake package-index
Jan 19 20:12:57 <dos1> oh, and cowsay on end, saying in polish "wrong" when build fails or "good" when build finishes
Jan 19 20:13:06 <dos1> and this scripts worked before
Jan 19 20:13:20 <dos1> and now, after make update, it's working again, without modyfing
Jan 19 20:13:29 <dos1> mrmoku: so it's not script fault ;)
Jan 19 20:16:16 <mrmoku> dos1: hmm, but configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
Jan 19 20:16:22 <mrmoku> looks rather borked...
Jan 19 20:17:18 <dos1> mrmoku: it seems now, only after make update, it's working :x i don't know, what happened...
Jan 19 20:17:22 <dos1> strange :x
Jan 19 20:22:26 <dos1> mrmoku: now both dillo and fbreader are builded
Jan 19 20:22:36 <dos1> mrmoku: and i still don't know, what happened :D
Jan 19 20:24:01 <mrmoku> hehe... not quite satisfying
Jan 19 20:24:32 <dos1> mrmoku: i think it was something with bitbake
Jan 19 20:24:48 <dos1> mrmoku: both dillo and fbreader was builded at the same time
Jan 19 20:25:00 <dos1> mrmoku: and both failed at the same time
Jan 19 20:25:11 <dos1> mrmoku: and then bitbake was failing with python error
Jan 19 20:25:30 <dos1> after make update bitbake runed and compiled dillo and fbreader :x
Jan 19 20:27:00 <dos1> mrmoku: "make[2]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1.  Add `+' to parent make rule. "
Jan 19 20:27:04 <dos1> that's also interesting
Jan 19 20:27:19 <dos1> i have setted -j 2 in bitbake confing
Jan 19 20:31:05 <root_at> mwester told me once a command to send the pin to the sim manually, it was any dbus thing. he said with this command i can also disable the pin, does anyone know how?
Jan 19 20:35:22 <mw|> root_at: d-feet, use that
Jan 19 20:35:30 <mw|> ogsmd is visible via system bus
Jan 19 20:40:02 <mw|> libframeworkd-phonegui_git.bb, shouldn't this package have a DEPEND="libframeworkd-glib" ?
Jan 19 20:40:23 <mw|> (and the cause for http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/267)
Jan 19 20:40:31 <mw|> *running to the store*
Jan 19 20:42:26 <mrmoku> dos1: regarding the patches not applying... I adjusted and pushed them
Jan 19 20:45:47 <Ainulindale> mw|: no
Jan 19 20:45:52 <Ainulindale> mw|: it's not dependent
Jan 19 20:46:58 <PaulFertser_> Hey guy, which application requests GSM resource in SHR? What should be restarted to get SIM pin dialog again, etc?
Jan 19 20:47:05 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser_: ophonekitd
Jan 19 20:47:51 <PaulFertser_> Ainulindale: thanks :)
Jan 19 20:47:55 <Ainulindale> you're welcome
Jan 19 20:49:18 <mw|> Ainulindale: what about configure complaining about pkg-config not finding libframeworkd-glib ...
Jan 19 20:49:27 <Ainulindale> Then it's a bad configure :-)
Jan 19 20:50:00 <mw|> well then... *bbl*
Jan 19 20:53:13 <Dave> :o
Jan 19 21:04:38 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: got one moment for me?
Jan 19 21:04:44 <Ainulindale> yep
Jan 19 21:05:08 <mrmoku> trap ":" INT QUIT TSTP catches sources scripts that call exit?
Jan 19 21:05:15 <mrmoku> -s/+d
Jan 19 21:05:26 <mw|> wierd
Jan 19 21:05:35 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I have no idea what you're talking about
Jan 19 21:05:44 <mrmoku> about /etc/init.d/rc
Jan 19 21:05:59 <mrmoku> part of the fastboot patches adds sourcing shell scripts for speed
Jan 19 21:06:01 <mw|> /home/zem/devel/shr/shr-testing/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libframeworkd-phonegui-0.0.1+gitr497+953a35b8ee95183783d7896f80faa5f78d51d90a-r7/git/libframeworkd-phonegui/configure
Jan 19 21:06:08 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I have no idea
Jan 19 21:06:15 <mw|> doesn't 953a35b8ee95183783d7896f80faa5f78d51d90a reflect a git revision?
Jan 19 21:06:25 <Ainulindale> mw|: yes
Jan 19 21:06:42 <mw|> http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=953a35b8ee95183783d7896f80faa5f78d51d90a
Jan 19 21:07:00 <Ainulindale> mw|: so what?
Jan 19 21:07:24 <mrmoku> mw|: its a merge
Jan 19 21:07:54 <tilman> i'm setting up the shr build environment, and it seems i'm lacking shr-testing/conf/topdir.conf
Jan 19 21:08:07 <tilman> is that supposed to be grabbed by 'make setup', or should i set it up myself?
Jan 19 21:08:11 <mw|> Ainulindale: it doesn't find anything
Jan 19 21:08:19 <mrmoku> tilman: it gets created when you call 'make image'
Jan 19 21:08:30 <mw|> mrmoku: it just shows the head if it has no hits
Jan 19 21:08:33 <Ainulindale> mw|: what?
Jan 19 21:08:58 <Ainulindale> Am I crazy or are you guys started speaking chinese?
Jan 19 21:09:10 <tilman> mrmoku: ah, thanks
Jan 19 21:09:13 <mw|> I'm not able to find 953a35b8ee95183783d7896f80faa5f78d51d90a
Jan 19 21:09:22 <Ainulindale> You just gave the url
Jan 19 21:09:24 <Ainulindale> it's a merge
Jan 19 21:09:28 <Ainulindale> nothing more
Jan 19 21:09:30 <Ainulindale> it's latest
Jan 19 21:09:38 <mrmoku> mw|: with git just do git show 953a35b8ee95183783d7896f80faa5f78d51d90a
Jan 19 21:09:39 <mw|> you get the merge if you write any random no-valid-id
Jan 19 21:09:51 <tifereth> @shr guys, thanks for the new unstable image
Jan 19 21:09:54 <Ainulindale> mw|: no you get the merge if you push before pulling
Jan 19 21:10:28 <tifereth> seems like a lot of ui stuff at sms and dailer app done
Jan 19 21:10:47 <mw|> fatal: bad object 953a35b8ee95183783d7896f80faa5f78d51d90a
Jan 19 21:10:55 <mw|> git show fatal: bad object 953a35b8ee95183783d7896f80faa5f78d51d90a
Jan 19 21:11:04 <mw|> *bah, pasting wrong*
Jan 19 21:11:23 <mw|> git show 953a35b8ee95183783d7896f80faa5f78d51d90a  inside shr.git gives me, fatal: bad object 953a35b8ee95183783d7896f80faa5f78d51d90a
Jan 19 21:11:42 <mrmoku> hmm... git show gives me:     ophonekitd: Introduced a dbus provider to manage resources and such using ophonekitd point of view.
Jan 19 21:11:52 <mrmoku> which is not a merge... hmmm
Jan 19 21:12:09 <mw|> hmm, wierd, cd .., cd shr   (into the same directory now worked)
Jan 19 21:12:47 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: it's old
Jan 19 21:12:48 <Ainulindale> oooold
Jan 19 21:13:01 <mrmoku> and?
Jan 19 21:13:07 <Ainulindale> nothing :-)
Jan 19 21:13:15 <mrmoku> hehe :-)
Jan 19 21:13:16 <mw|> git web seems to not be able to find it
Jan 19 21:13:26 <mrmoku> btw I installed gdb and attached to e
Jan 19 21:13:26 <mw|> but my question now then
Jan 19 21:13:35 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: and?
Jan 19 21:14:07 <mw|> neither unstable and testing uses a that old version of libframeworkd-phone ?
Jan 19 21:15:04 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: nothing interesting yet... 
Jan 19 21:15:10 <mw|> (just trying to sort out http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/267)
Jan 19 21:16:17 <ingoa> hello
Jan 19 21:16:21 <mw|> commit http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr.git;a=commitdiff;h=a62d72ced3c448ef8fa41c795ae9d550a188583c fixes that issue
Jan 19 21:16:30 <mw|> but is it in both testing and unstable then?
Jan 19 21:18:14 <mrmoku> what is needed to get line numbers inside gdb... isn't dbg packages enough?
Jan 19 21:26:02 <dos1> ok, shr-unstable is again compiling now :)
Jan 19 21:26:10 <dos1> i've just compiled whole task-shr-feed
Jan 19 21:27:10 <mw|> :-)
Jan 19 21:28:59 * Dave forpult
Jan 19 21:29:25 <mw|> Dave: also a norweigan word to use
Jan 19 21:35:15 <Zorkman> when opkg upgrading i'm getting Multiple packages (libxft2 and libxft2) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER.  Using latest.
Jan 19 21:35:27 <Zorkman> where is the file located that i need to edit in order to remove this error?
Jan 19 21:35:38 <Zorkman> can't seem to find it, it's the list of everything installed i think
Jan 19 21:35:57 <Dave> Oh man, hilarious
Jan 19 21:36:11 <Dave> Click [here] to apply for a Temporal Permit.
Jan 19 21:43:57 <Cybil> Hi
Jan 19 21:44:21 <Cybil> I am looking for help regarding qemu and gta02
Jan 19 21:44:41 <Cybil> the openmoko/flash.sh script to be precise
Jan 19 21:45:27 <Cybil> if anyone feels like he want to help an old mum over the street then don't hesitate to chatter me on
Jan 19 21:45:30 <Sharwin_F> mrmoku, sorry I wasn't here... about the libcrypto and libssl... when trying to install dillo-ssl from opkg (and other apps) it says the dependencies libcrypto and libssl can't be installed, but I already have newer versions of that libraries... App work installing with opkg install -nodeps and then linking new version into the version app needs
Jan 19 21:45:55 <Sharwin_F> mrmoku, try installing dillo-ssl from opkg to see the problem
Jan 19 21:47:28 <Dave> Cybil, having problems flashing the image in qemu? :)
Jan 19 21:48:05 <Cybil> yes. it looks like it has never been ported to gta02
Jan 19 21:48:51 <Dave> hrm
Jan 19 21:49:10 <mrmoku> Sharwin_F: don't do that ;) dillo is also in the shr repo
Jan 19 21:49:22 <mrmoku> and there was an openssl bump to a new version
Jan 19 21:49:36 <Dave> oh, is it now?
Jan 19 21:49:39 <dos1> mrmoku: but dillo in shr repo seems to be old :x
Jan 19 21:49:40 <mrmoku> ahh, dillo-ssl... hmm
Jan 19 21:50:07 <yoyo> can I force gtk+ to open illume-keyboard?
Jan 19 21:50:08 <Sharwin_F> mrmoku, anyway, I think it happens with other packages ("pong" I think)
Jan 19 21:50:10 <mrmoku> dos1: what would be a current version?
Jan 19 21:50:15 <lindi-> dillo is distributed under GPL (v2 or later) which is incompatible with openssl
Jan 19 21:50:38 <mrmoku> lindi-: but using it anyway?
Jan 19 21:50:38 <dos1> mrmoku: 2.0?
Jan 19 21:50:42 * Sharwin_F goes have dinner
Jan 19 21:50:55 <lindi-> mrmoku: i am not using ssl with dillo
Jan 19 21:51:06 <Cybil> I have used the qemu-neo1973 directly without using the Mokomakefile assuming that the later doesnt offer a different qemu version / toolchain
Jan 19 21:51:14 <Dave> Oh!
Jan 19 21:51:28 <mrmoku> lindi-: but there seems to be a dillo-ssl package on opkg.org...
Jan 19 21:51:31 <Dave> Yeah, I don't see why it would, though I used the Mokomakefile.
Jan 19 21:51:44 <lindi-> mrmoku: so what? ;)
Jan 19 21:51:47 <Dave> moku, does ssl work for you?
Jan 19 21:51:52 <lindi-> mrmoku: have they cared about copyrights in the past? ;)
Jan 19 21:51:59 <Dave> I thought it didn't exist. and then was broken.
Jan 19 21:52:15 <mrmoku> don't know... don't use opkg.org... don't care ;)
Jan 19 21:52:23 <Dave> hater :P
Jan 19 21:52:33 <Cybil> according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_under_QEMU#How_to_get_it_running it should work
Jan 19 21:52:42 <Dave> right :)
Jan 19 21:52:53 <Cybil> (even without modifications of the qemu/openmoko-dir wich is obviosly wrong
Jan 19 21:52:55 <Cybil> )
Jan 19 21:53:01 <Dave> right
Jan 19 21:53:10 <Dave> I surprised that still hasn't been fixed :(
Jan 19 21:53:18 <Cybil> me too :-)
Jan 19 21:53:45 <Cybil> but I don't have the time (read: do'nt want to) read into the boot process stuff
Jan 19 21:53:59 <Dave> yeah yeah, obviously :)
Jan 19 21:54:04 <Cybil> and recode the wheel of bootstrappin
Jan 19 21:54:11 <Dave> Why bother :D
Jan 19 21:54:38 <Dave> Especially when you can enslave the local populous of this channel to do it for you! :D
Jan 19 21:54:55 <yoyo> can I force gtk to open illume-keyboard?
Jan 19 21:55:07 <Cybil> precisely pointed out :-)
Jan 19 21:55:39 <Dave> yoyo, I believe so, it may not work as you intended though
Jan 19 21:56:08 <yoyo> Dave: some sugestions?
Jan 19 21:56:15 <Cybil> so the wiki statement that there is a fake gta02 is BS?
Jan 19 21:56:58 <Dave> there is, one sec
Jan 19 21:56:59 <Cybil> I thought the only problem is getting a bootable MTD-device
Jan 19 22:01:16 <mrmoku> mwester: ping
Jan 19 22:03:53 <Dave> I wish I knew, Cybil
Jan 19 22:04:04 <Dave> I'm trying to pester Speedevil, as I'm pretty sure he's done it before
Jan 19 22:09:40 <mrmoku> Dave: if you find out... have success in pestering... let me know - I'm also interested :D
Jan 19 22:10:06 <Dave> Okay :)
Jan 19 22:10:17 <Dave> Yeah, I'd also be interested in fixing the wiki!
Jan 19 22:10:57 <mrmoku> a link to a fixed wiki page will be fine then :P
Jan 19 22:11:22 <Cybil> Dave: sounds great
Jan 19 22:11:53 <Cybil> I also volunteer tinkering with the qemu-article once I've found a valuable src of information to put into
Jan 19 22:20:14 <mwester> mrmoku:  pong
Jan 19 22:20:27 <mrmoku> mwester: hey... how are you?
Jan 19 22:20:37 <mwester> :)
Jan 19 22:20:48 <mrmoku> I have a kernel-guru question ;)
Jan 19 22:21:02 <mrmoku> we're having problems with e consuming 20% cpu
Jan 19 22:21:17 <mrmoku> and it looks like that problem does not exist with old kernel 
Jan 19 22:21:28 <mrmoku> any idea what could cause this?
Jan 19 22:21:48 <mwester> first place I'd look would be the accelerometers.
Jan 19 22:22:35 <mrmoku> hmmm, interesting... IIRC there is some way to set the threshold?
Jan 19 22:24:43 <PaulFertser_> mrmoku: /sys/bus/platform/devices/lis302dl.[12]/threshold is there for you, i think
Jan 19 22:25:24 <mrmoku> yep found it thanks :-)
Jan 19 22:25:25 <PaulFertser_> mrmoku: but why should E touch accels at all?
Jan 19 22:26:59 <mw|> because X reads them and feeds them as events ? (just a lucky guess)
Jan 19 22:27:09 <mrmoku> mwester: hmm, nop raising the threshold to 1000 does not change cpu consumption...
Jan 19 22:27:11 <mwester> it shouldn't, except that they are classified as events.
Jan 19 22:27:27 <mwester> mrmoku:  ok.  then you'll have to profile e, I guess. :(
Jan 19 22:27:41 <mwester> or strace it, I mean.
Jan 19 22:28:00 <mrmoku> we did that already...
Jan 19 22:28:04 <mw|> strace it for 10-20 seconds with timestamp and pastebin it?
Jan 19 22:28:05 <mrmoku> (strace)
Jan 19 22:28:12 <mw|> and the output from lsof
Jan 19 22:29:03 <mrmoku> mwester: http://pastebin.com/d4d170601
Jan 19 22:29:31 * mrmoku was too fast :-)
Jan 19 22:29:56 <mrmoku> mw|: absolute, relative or usecs?
Jan 19 22:30:14 <mw|> doesn't matter
Jan 19 22:30:33 <mw|> (the detail I reacted on was select beeing ran with [0,0] timeout
Jan 19 22:30:40 <mw|> which will make the program never sleep
Jan 19 22:30:46 <mwester> We've seen that before.  It went away, I'm not sure why.   We really need to get Raster involved to sort that out.
Jan 19 22:31:24 <mrmoku> mwester: he's hiding :(
Jan 19 22:31:26 <mw|> or is {0, 0} the return value, which would be 0, 0 on a timeout
Jan 19 22:32:31 <mwester> The trace shows that fd 4 has data, and wakes up the process.  I don't know what data data stream is, or what that data is, though.  But something has something to say to the server, and the read() call shows you what it is.
Jan 19 22:32:43 <mw|> lsof
Jan 19 22:33:46 <mrmoku> lsof (just the fd's): http://pastebin.com/d6d86fcda
Jan 19 22:33:55 <mrmoku> 4 is a socket
Jan 19 22:34:18 <mwester> What's on the other end - anything?
Jan 19 22:34:25 <mrmoku> how do I find out?
Jan 19 22:34:30 <mrmoku> (the other end)
Jan 19 22:35:15 <mw|> netstat -p
Jan 19 22:35:16 <mw|> as root
Jan 19 22:35:26 <mrmoku> hehe.. as root
Jan 19 22:35:31 * mrmoku thinks mw| is kidding ;)
Jan 19 22:35:43 <mrmoku> mw|: busybox netstat has no -p
Jan 19 22:36:27 <mw|> ls -l /proc/PID/fd/4
Jan 19 22:36:32 <mw|> then we get the inode atleast
Jan 19 22:36:37 <Dave> nein
Jan 19 22:37:22 <mrmoku> /proc/1416/fd/4 -> socket:[2539
Jan 19 22:37:26 <mrmoku> (as told by lsof)
Jan 19 22:37:34 <mrmoku> netstat without any parm shows:
Jan 19 22:37:49 <mrmoku> unix  3      [ ]         STREAM     CONNECTED       2539
Jan 19 22:38:36 <mw|> /proc/net/unix   shows the same
Jan 19 22:38:39 <Dave> . o O (What smells like fish?)
Jan 19 22:38:44 <ptitjes> hi!
Jan 19 22:39:02 <Dave> oh great
Jan 19 22:39:06 <Dave> ptitjes is here :P
Jan 19 22:39:08 <mrmoku> c7fb49a0: 00000003 00000000 00000000 0001 03  2539
Jan 19 22:39:25 <ptitjes> so what is hapening??
Jan 19 22:39:43 <Dave> more like what ISN'T happening ¬_¬
Jan 19 22:39:46 <Dave> ask mrmoku
Jan 19 22:39:49 <Dave> :P
Jan 19 22:39:55 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: ping
Jan 19 22:40:12 <mrmoku> ptitjes: we've got an 'e consumes cpu' problem
Jan 19 22:40:12 <ptitjes> mrmoku: there is pb with the db ?
Jan 19 22:40:26 <ptitjes> euh...
Jan 19 22:40:28 <ptitjes> explain
Jan 19 22:40:31 <ptitjes> please
Jan 19 22:40:48 <mrmoku> with the new kernel e consumes 20% cpu without doing anything
Jan 19 22:40:56 <ptitjes> oups
Jan 19 22:40:57 <Dave> You noticed that finally!?
Jan 19 22:41:01 <mrmoku> just flashing the old kernel fixes it
Jan 19 22:41:04 <Dave> I was ranting about it the other night
Jan 19 22:41:32 <mrmoku> Dave: the night when you jumped out of the window? :P
Jan 19 22:42:07 <Dave> Hey!
Jan 19 22:42:11 <Dave> Not that night, the other night :P
Jan 19 22:42:24 <Dave> Ironically the night after that :P
Jan 19 22:42:25 <Dave> hurr
Jan 19 22:42:39 <mrmoku> ahh, the night when you crawled out of your tomb then ;)
Jan 19 22:43:04 <mw|>        int getsockname(int s, struct sockaddr *name, socklen_t *namelen);
Jan 19 22:43:10 <Dave> Hey!
Jan 19 22:43:11 <mw|> that would be nice to be able to call
Jan 19 22:43:17 <Dave> It's not a tomb, it's a CAVE, thank you very much!
Jan 19 22:43:17 <mw|> on the thread going wild
Jan 19 22:43:34 <mrmoku> Dave: sorry, didn't want to offend you :P
Jan 19 22:43:48 * Dave sends his army of freerunner-armed bats after mrmoku
Jan 19 22:43:51 <Dave> GET HIM!
Jan 19 22:43:58 <mw|> gdb -p PID_OF_E
Jan 19 22:44:01 <mw|> b read
Jan 19 22:44:02 <mw|> c
Jan 19 22:44:05 <mw|> and hit bt
Jan 19 22:44:15 <mw|> and check the callback if the fd the 4
Jan 19 22:44:16 * mrmoku hopes the bats will use the fr as navigator and get lost
Jan 19 22:44:24 <mw|> the->is
Jan 19 22:44:40 <mw|> now, going to brush my teeth
Jan 19 22:44:46 <mw|> :-p
Jan 19 22:44:49 <mw|> night night
Jan 19 22:44:55 <Dave> hade
Jan 19 22:52:50 <Dave> mrmoku, hahaha
Jan 19 22:52:52 <Dave> you wish! :P
Jan 19 22:53:35 * mrmoku is going to hide under his blanket in the hope the won't find him there :P
Jan 19 22:53:43 <mrmoku> +y
Jan 19 22:54:20 <mrmoku> mwester: thanks... will give up for today... have to hide under my blanket :-)
Jan 19 22:55:16 <mwester> good luck - lie still, and maybe they won't find you.
Jan 19 22:55:34 <mrmoku> ok :-)
Jan 19 22:56:01 <Dave> damnit
Jan 19 22:56:08 <Dave> now they think he's just a rock :(
Jan 19 22:56:17 <Dave> may as well be a big bulging freerunner
Jan 19 22:56:29 <Dave> oh snap, I didn't realize I just insulted you :o
Jan 19 22:56:38 <Dave> My apologies, Mrmoku.
Jan 19 22:56:50 <Dave> I think that's analogous of saying "You're special ed."
Jan 19 22:56:56 <Dave> You're as functional as a freerunner! :p
Jan 19 22:57:08 <Dave> Hey at least I'm more partial to that than a yo momma joke
Jan 19 23:02:37 <yoyo> mrmoku: new error in gsm http://pastebin.com/d30645b13
Jan 19 23:03:12 <Dave> oh great
Jan 19 23:05:19 <mrmoku> yoyo: out of spec number... should be reported to FSO people :-)
Jan 19 23:08:48 <Dave> I thought we fixed that
Jan 19 23:08:50 <CIA-56> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rfd201914434e 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: 
Jan 19 23:08:50 <CIA-56> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: channel: refactor actual reading and writing from/to the source into seperate method
Jan 19 23:08:50 <CIA-56> freesmartphone.org: (to be able to override in descendents)
Jan 19 23:08:50 <CIA-56> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * raad11d52528c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] bypass serial abstraction while reading/writing; use faster posix read/write.
Jan 19 23:16:08 <Dave> Hallo Mortak
Jan 19 23:16:53 <Mortak> hallo Dave 
Jan 19 23:16:59 <Mortak> :)
Jan 19 23:17:09 <Dave> :)
Jan 19 23:18:29 <Mortak> im so alone, my fr is in repair atm :( 
Jan 19 23:19:10 <Dave> aw
Jan 19 23:19:48 <Mortak> :((
Jan 19 23:20:46 <Dave> poor mortak
Jan 19 23:21:01 <Mortak> yeah! :)
Jan 19 23:23:41 <Dave> I have a freerunner lying face down on my desk
Jan 19 23:23:49 <Dave> half covered in stuff
Jan 19 23:23:54 <Dave> it's been that way for months
Jan 19 23:23:57 <Dave> poor thing :p
Jan 19 23:24:57 <Mortak> hehe
Jan 19 23:25:18 <Dave> I should put one of those Out Of Order signs on it :P
Jan 19 23:25:36 <Mortak> shame on you, Dave! revive it, use it, patch it, love it :)
Jan 19 23:26:01 <Dave> Well, perhaps... but I'm not so sure about that last part :P
Jan 19 23:26:07 <Dave> I don't swing that way... ;p
Jan 19 23:26:13 <Mortak> hehe
Jan 19 23:48:28 <lupine_85> allo. I'm hunting for the name of the package you have that watches for ?clamshell open/close? input events and rotates the screen accordingly
Jan 19 23:52:44 <mickeyl> clamshell?
Jan 19 23:52:49 <mickeyl> FreeRunner?
Jan 19 23:54:09 <mickeyl> a shot in the dark... zaurusd?
Jan 19 23:54:48 <lupine_85> basically, it's a daemon that sits there and listens on /dev/input/??? and makes xrandr calls as appropriate to rotate the screen...
Jan 19 23:54:51 <lupine_85> ring a bell?
Jan 19 23:56:00 <mickeyl> for which device?
Jan 19 23:56:11 <mickeyl> openmoko, there's quite a bunch, omrotate for a start
Jan 19 23:56:17 <mickeyl> sharp, there's zaurusd
Jan 19 23:56:29 <lupine_85> ah, there's lots of 'em?
Jan 19 23:56:37 <lupine_85> this is for an htc touch pro (raph100)
Jan 19 23:56:45 <mickeyl> oh
Jan 19 23:56:54 <mickeyl> running which OS?
Jan 19 23:57:01 <lupine_85> angstrom atm
Jan 19 23:57:34 <lupine_85> the input device has event type 5, code 0; value 0 is open, 1 is closed
Jan 19 23:57:51 * lupine_85 will peek at omrotate, and see if he can use that
Jan 19 23:57:59 <mickeyl> yeah
Jan 19 23:58:06 <lupine_85> I'm in the beginning stages of hacking one togther out of evtest atm :D
Jan 19 23:58:09 <mickeyl> or a simple frameworkd rule, if you're running an FSO-compliant distro
Jan 19 23:58:18 <lupine_85> best to avoid proliferation if possibl;e
Jan 19 23:58:30 <lupine_85> well, it had frameworkd-devel installed
Jan 19 23:58:38 <mickeyl> oh, that's good
Jan 19 23:58:41 <lupine_85> but I'm not really using it for anything at the moment
Jan 19 23:58:43 <mickeyl> in that case it's a couple of minutes
Jan 19 23:58:55 <lupine_85> I think it handles the gps. I dunno if the gps works or not :D
Jan 19 23:58:59 <mickeyl> hehe
Jan 19 23:59:38 <mickeyl> what is missing on linux for the touch pro?
Jan 19 23:59:47 <mickeyl> the hardware looks good
Jan 19 23:59:56 <lupine_85> sound, wifi
Jan 19 23:59:57 <lupine_85> erm
Jan 20 00:00:00 <lupine_85> internal MMC card
Jan 20 00:00:13 <lupine_85> a few other bits and pieces
Jan 20 00:00:17 <lupine_85> most of the work is going into android :/
Jan 20 00:00:22 <mickeyl> bummer
Jan 20 00:00:29 <mickeyl> sound and wifi are kind of showstoppers
Jan 20 00:00:35 <Dave> no kidding
Jan 20 00:00:44 <mickeyl> but once you're there, we're happy to add more support into fso
Jan 20 00:00:45 <lupine_85> there is a wifi driver, it just hasn't been compiled yet (I don't know much about it)
Jan 20 00:00:54 <lupine_85> tiacx?
Jan 20 00:01:02 <lupine_85> sound is... well, yeah, sound
Jan 20 00:01:22 <lupine_85> we got the hardware keyboard working a couple of days ago, and it's been all systems go since :D
Jan 20 00:02:20 <mickeyl> ya, i can feel the resistance to work on usbeth and wifi, when you have keyboard
Jan 20 00:02:26 <mickeyl> but it will be a major hindrance to wide adoption
Jan 20 00:02:55 <Dave> yeah
Jan 20 00:03:00 <mickeyl> but it's always the same with all these anti-vendor-ports :/ 80/20 rule
Jan 20 00:03:11 <mickeyl> you get much fast
Jan 20 00:03:11 <mickeyl> and then you struggle 
Jan 20 00:03:17 <mickeyl> have seen that on so many devices
Jan 20 00:03:18 <mickeyl> *sigh*
Jan 20 00:03:43 <lupine_85> the struggling was before the sd card worked
Jan 20 00:04:00 <lupine_85> that was cracked in late dec, and progress has been pretty amazing since
Jan 20 00:04:11 <lupine_85> we seem to have a group of very good hardware hackers :D
Jan 20 00:04:17 <mickeyl> that's very good
Jan 20 00:04:55 <mickeyl> i can see that kaiser and raphael are "almost there", but so are many other devices. please please, get to the remaining 20% and then I buy and add support
Jan 20 00:04:56 <mickeyl> :)
Jan 20 00:05:11 <mickeyl> (patches appreciated always of course)
Jan 20 00:06:54 <lupine_85> :)
Jan 20 00:12:46 <yoyo> someone interested in alternative yphonekitd?
Jan 20 00:12:55 <yoyo> http://d3p.pl/fb/?subPage=na_tapecie&tag=yphonekitd
Jan 20 00:17:10 <mickeyl> nice
Jan 20 00:17:17 <mickeyl> send that to shr-devel
Jan 20 00:17:47 <yoyo> I start writing it yesturday ~(2009-01-19 18:00)
Jan 20 00:18:59 <yoyo> mickeyl: do you know how to force show illume-keyboard from gtk ?
Jan 20 00:20:23 <mickeyl> no idea offhand
Jan 20 00:20:27 <mickeyl> it's setting an X-ATOM IIRC
Jan 20 00:20:31 <mickeyl> let me check
Jan 20 00:20:51 <mickeyl>   xev.xclient.message_type = ecore_x_atom_get("_MTP_IM_INVOKER_COMMAND");
Jan 20 00:21:15 <tmzt> mickeyl: what kind of support are you talking about?
Jan 20 00:21:18 <yoyo> mickeyl: you the master :)
Jan 20 00:22:02 <tmzt> mickeyl: by sound you mean audio routing for calls?
Jan 20 00:22:48 <tmzt> lupine_85: diamond internal card is working, raph doesn't have one (it has nand but it's mtd)
Jan 20 00:24:54 <Dave> tmt!
Jan 20 00:25:49 <mickeyl> tmzt: (sound) yes, audio routing
Jan 20 00:26:11 <mickeyl> (support) well, what's missing in fso to run well on these devices
Jan 20 00:26:20 <mickeyl> like, hardware abstraction in odeviced
Jan 20 00:26:25 <mickeyl> modem abstraction in ogsmd
Jan 20 00:26:30 <mickeyl> gps device abstraction in ogpsd
Jan 20 00:26:30 <mickeyl> etc.
Jan 20 00:26:54 <tmzt> mickeyl: that's handled through proc_comm or rpc commands to the radio through a shared-memory interface, depending on the actual version of amss (radio firmware)
Jan 20 00:27:38 <tmzt> mickeyl: if we can get it handled through sysfs it would work from python/c
Jan 20 00:27:48 <mickeyl> sounds good
Jan 20 00:28:06 <mickeyl> although alsa scenarios are used for these things these days
Jan 20 00:28:07 <tmzt> mickeyl: dcordes_ has source code for a working ril implementation if that helps
Jan 20 00:28:07 <Dave> poor gsm modem
Jan 20 00:28:11 <Dave> pity progress
Jan 20 00:28:26 <tmzt> unfortunately asoc is not used in g1 so we don't have source for that yet
Jan 20 00:28:28 <mickeyl> modem is not a problem i think, dcordes has it working on fso
Jan 20 00:28:48 <tmzt> the ril also controls audio routing in that version
Jan 20 00:29:11 <mickeyl> hmm, nasty, but ok, nothing that can't be abstracted
Jan 20 00:29:15 <mickeyl> (or written ;)
Jan 20 00:29:25 <Dave> hah
Jan 20 00:30:22 <tmzt> void writesys(char *name, char *val) { FILE *fout; char filename[256]; strcpy(filename,"/sys/class/vogue_hw/");
Jan 20 00:31:18 <tmzt> writesys("audio","2");
Jan 20 00:31:21 <Dave> bleh
Jan 20 00:47:13 <mickeyl> what's the odds for wifi and usbeth?
Jan 20 00:47:21 <mickeyl> (or a serial console)
Jan 20 01:37:10 <DocScrutinizer> Dave: you kidnapped my favorite bat?!
Jan 20 01:37:25 <Dave> :x
Jan 20 01:37:34 <Dave> I was nice :)
Jan 20 01:37:40 <DocScrutinizer> I'm missing a few in my zoo
Jan 20 01:37:46 <Dave> really?
Jan 20 01:37:49 <Dave> It wasn't me!
Jan 20 01:38:51 <DocScrutinizer> be careful: my bats are highly educated, they will start a revolution in your bat-army. Then all of then fly away to get a better live with me ;-)
Jan 20 01:39:07 <Dave> Oh no!
Jan 20 01:39:45 <DocScrutinizer> oh yes. They know by instinct I'm one of their kind
Jan 20 01:40:35 <Dave> :o
Jan 20 01:40:39 <Dave> spooky
Jan 20 01:41:23 <mwester> Doc lives in a belfry?
Jan 20 01:43:49 <DocScrutinizer> I got bats in the belfry ;-)
Jan 20 01:44:37 <DocScrutinizer> nah, living in a bunker, to keep the world outside
Jan 20 01:44:47 <DocScrutinizer> bats love it
Jan 20 01:46:28 <DocScrutinizer> and I love bats
Jan 20 01:50:55 <Dave> :D
Jan 20 01:51:09 <Dave> Joerg, how do they like the freerunner? :P
Jan 20 01:52:06 <DocScrutinizer2> Dave: I'm not cruel to them. Otherwise they would leave
Jan 20 01:57:19 <Dave> :)
Jan 20 02:00:55 <Dave> Nice Joerg :)
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