**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 26 02:59:57 2009 Feb 26 03:02:28 Hello, roh :) Feb 26 03:07:50 Dave: what do you want to know? No idea of Iphone here. no phone or batt may be sold without safety test cert and security circuit Feb 26 03:08:49 :( Feb 26 03:08:52 nevertheless some liIon tend to burn, if fab screwed production Feb 26 03:09:14 so it likely does have a stupid security circuit? Feb 26 03:09:35 No other phones I've seen have that, but I know apple's iPhone is all hw-tentacled, so I just figured it might :\ Feb 26 03:09:41 for sure it has some kind of security Feb 26 03:09:47 crap Feb 26 03:09:54 haha those jackasses Feb 26 03:10:45 Dave: whats wrong with a fuse or charge manager circuit? Feb 26 03:12:10 do you think of a "copy protection" like in printer ink refills? Feb 26 03:15:04 O.o Feb 26 03:17:02 battery supplements! Feb 26 03:31:05 Dave: maybe ipho batt contains some smart controller like gta02 batt, and ipho os breaks when missing this. mayby it contains a simple ntc like gta01 batt and if this ntc has wrong resistance the control circuit inside ipho detect over/undertemp and refuses to operate batt. Feb 26 03:31:20 I simply dunno Feb 26 03:32:07 I only can tell every batt must be protected against short, overcharge, deep discharge etc pp Feb 26 03:32:51 so usually there's some sort of protection circuit built in every LiIon Feb 26 03:33:24 to avoid "exploding phone" Feb 26 03:37:09 * mwester wonders how many people would continue to place laptops on their laps, for example, if they saw what Lithium does when exposed to a little water.... Feb 26 03:37:38 gnhnnhn :> Feb 26 03:43:11 Dave: otoh afaik ipho batt is non-removable. so it might be a plain cell. every bat has a quite similar plain cell inside Feb 26 03:44:29 even plain cells contain some sort of blowfuse usually Feb 26 04:15:19 muhahaHAA. lsof freezes when cat >x open in other ssh session Feb 26 05:09:21 Hmm Feb 26 05:10:50 Thanks Joerg, and yeah :p Feb 26 05:11:07 I was thinking whether my battery pack proto would be versatile enough to work with it, for example. Feb 26 08:22:48 Zorkman: do you have now that command for enabling wifi? Feb 26 08:23:05 Zorkman: SHR Settings is enabling wifi by dbus call to frameworkd Feb 26 08:23:29 Zorkman: if WiFi module doesn't work, that command will probably not work too :x Feb 26 08:37:27 morning Feb 26 08:38:52 dos1, : i think wifi module doesn't work :) Feb 26 08:39:23 and couldn't get usb connection also last night :( Feb 26 08:39:29 will be a reflash i think :) Feb 26 08:41:49 mrmoku: did you see last mail in "GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)" topic? Feb 26 08:42:23 mrmoku: someone is creating themes for illume and elementary too be less CPU and GPU expensive Feb 26 08:43:02 great, I'd rather have a few colors less on the screen and a more responive GUI Feb 26 08:43:44 spaetz: with shr-settings you can use x11-16 - it's few colors less and much more responsive GUI ;] Feb 26 08:44:09 Haven't tried, but as soon as I get my new FR I will. Feb 26 08:44:35 we could even make it default for shr-settings by setting the env-variable in the beginning :) Feb 26 08:45:22 spaetz: i did it on my FR, my mrmoku doesn't want to have x11-16 as default :P Feb 26 08:45:35 cause it looks ugly... Feb 26 08:45:42 dos1: well, it would only be used for shr-settings, wouldn't it? Feb 26 08:46:03 we set it in shr-settings in the beginning, and if we did so, we unset it when we leave shr-settings Feb 26 08:46:06 but main menu in shr-settings with x11-16 looks very ugly :D Feb 26 08:46:36 Well, that's mainly using better icons that look ok in 16bit, isn't it? Feb 26 08:46:47 as I said, I haven't seen it yet... Feb 26 08:46:49 so not sure Feb 26 08:47:10 spaetz: no... buttons looks ugly with default elementary theme Feb 26 08:47:27 ahh, ok Feb 26 08:47:31 spaetz: and when they are scalled (as in shr-settings main menu)... it looks even worse :P Feb 26 08:47:40 hehe Feb 26 08:47:42 ok Feb 26 08:47:45 s/it/they/ Feb 26 08:47:45 dos1 meant: spaetz: and when they are scalled (as in shr-settings main menu)... they looks even worse :P Feb 26 09:02:33 ok, it's time for some mockup ;] Feb 26 09:12:12 PaulFertser, what did you change to get BT working? Feb 26 09:16:22 shoragan: the headset Feb 26 09:16:34 oh Feb 26 09:16:47 did you test PCM as well? Feb 26 09:17:55 i'm currently trying to get any advice about why my headset doesn't work. Already read a lot of code myself, but it looks like something chip-specific (my laptop which works with the headset has Broadcom chip, while freerunner has CSR BlueCore). Feb 26 09:18:57 shoragan: I didn't test PCM, it was at work and i was already tired... Feb 26 09:19:11 ok :) Feb 26 09:19:20 (Get any advice from bluetooth devs) Feb 26 09:19:48 shoragan: how're your exams? Feb 26 09:20:12 PaulFertser, i think you're confusing me with Stefan :) Feb 26 09:20:36 i've just started preparing for an exam in ~5 weeks Feb 26 09:20:38 shoragan: hm, looks like it :) Feb 26 09:20:48 shoragan: confusing everything these days Feb 26 09:23:47 shoragan: have you already tried SCO via HCI yourself or you have any problems i can help with? Feb 26 09:24:03 PaulFertser, my priority right now is PCM Feb 26 09:24:18 shoragan: sure, but i thought it's not hard if it works :) Feb 26 09:24:21 but you could document how to switch the routing between PCM and HCI somewhere Feb 26 09:24:50 shoragan: i think i already documented it but CC'd Stefan instead of you :) Feb 26 09:24:56 shoragan: do you read hardware ML? Feb 26 09:25:09 yes Feb 26 09:26:35 csr_write_pskey_uint16(dd, 4, CSR_PSKEY_HOSTIO_MAP_SCO_PCM, 0x0000, 0); Feb 26 09:26:38 this one? Feb 26 09:26:54 shoragan: so that means you have read my first mail about my experiment? So, do you want me to investigate why bccmd mapsco doesn't work or how what? I can't test temporary switching to PCM from HCI (which is the only sane way to do it), because i don't get sound either way... Feb 26 09:27:58 what do you think about sms and call notifications like that: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/mockup.png ? Feb 26 09:28:03 (temporary switching should be possible with "hcitool command" with proper parameters, but i have no way to verify it until my headset works at least somehow, i can just make guesses). Feb 26 09:28:34 PaulFertser, let me try to get pcm working here, then i'll report back to you Feb 26 09:28:51 but switching with hcitool would be really nice to have Feb 26 09:29:24 shoragan: i can provide you 2 modified binaries of hciconfig to switch between permanent settings right now if you need it (a hack, but works for testing). Feb 26 09:30:07 jojo Feb 26 09:30:46 nuts, not even mickeyterm can talk to ttySAC0 Feb 26 09:30:49 shoragan: switching with hcitool is mandatory to have, because i wouldn't recommend to switch EEPROM setting every time one wants to switch between HCI and PCM. So, the vendor-proposed method is HCI permanently, with switch to PCM by temporary command. I guess i can try to provide an example command line, but can't test it yet :( Feb 26 09:30:56 yes, please send them to me (with patches if possible) Feb 26 09:31:10 joerg_42: it's not supposed to :) use socat like lindi- :) Feb 26 09:31:32 duh, why not? Feb 26 09:31:59 PaulFertser, does bluez update its internal state also when using hcitool? Feb 26 09:32:05 btw cat doesn't work as well Feb 26 09:32:37 shoragan: one last unrelated question: why use nicks on irc? I was a FidoNet user in 90s and there were no such thing as confusion who is who (yes, i know about /whois irc command), but nevertheless. Feb 26 09:34:00 joerg_42: cat doesn't set hardware flowcontrol properly. Use socat - file:/dev/ttySAC0,crtscts,crnl,echo=0,b115200 Feb 26 09:34:44 (set flowcontrol) but stty should Feb 26 09:35:09 and mickeyterm should Feb 26 09:35:24 tty is a PITA Feb 26 09:35:32 dos1: it looks cool Feb 26 09:36:26 PaulFertser, ok, i got audio from BT via PCM to the modem Feb 26 09:36:32 but no the other way round :/ Feb 26 09:36:52 PaulFertser: cat even gets EOF (or for other reason terminates) when powering down modem o.O Feb 26 09:37:28 might be a regression of last patch Feb 26 09:38:07 joerg_42: no, i've seen EOFs with cat for quite some time, still can't understand where it comes from. Feb 26 09:38:27 anyway its nonsens Feb 26 09:38:32 shoragan: probably routing inside WM8753 is wrong? Feb 26 09:39:02 and or wrong daimode? Feb 26 09:39:55 joerg_42: with wrong daimode he'd not get sound in either direction, i guess. Feb 26 09:40:04 hmm Feb 26 09:40:55 shoragan: you do set rate, size and channel count on both capture and playback devices, right? Feb 26 09:41:01 i'm using http://www.robsims.com/GSMBLUETOOTH.txt Feb 26 09:41:13 which was described as working Feb 26 09:41:14 yes Feb 26 09:41:42 im using the alsa settings from http://www.robsims.com/FR-BTAudio Feb 26 09:43:00 DAI=0 Feb 26 09:43:19 right, no othe should work either direction Feb 26 09:43:33 while switching between gsmhandset and GSMBLUETOOTH, it get a short buzz in the bt-headset Feb 26 09:43:41 routing from modem to BT is RXP/N to DAC Feb 26 09:45:50 RXmixewr Feb 26 09:46:15 RXmixer, line right mux, capture right mux Feb 26 09:47:44 shoragan: when SCORouting=PCM bluez doesn't prevent anything to work, but with SCORouting=HCI (default) it prohibits the Play() call. Feb 26 09:48:32 or rxmixer, alcmixer rx capture switch, pgal capture volume, capture left mux Feb 26 09:48:41 shoragan: mail sent, you might want to test with HCI routing that your headset works both ways properly. Feb 26 09:49:22 i'm currently looking at the routing diagrams Feb 26 09:49:42 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:WM8753_routing_diagram_alsa_controls.png Feb 26 09:50:21 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem Feb 26 09:51:10 exacltly :) Feb 26 09:52:35 dunno if ADC is setup to use left or right channel for DAI0 BT Feb 26 09:53:15 wont hurt to setup both pathes ;-) Feb 26 09:54:06 capure left/right mux? Feb 26 09:54:31 joerg_42: there's an alsa control to configure which channel ADC works with (and when and how mixing to mono is done if needed). Feb 26 09:55:00 wow even an alsa control Feb 26 09:56:12 oh! it works! Feb 26 09:56:24 if fiddled with capture left mixer Feb 26 09:56:37 DAPM GSM Line Out Switch, DAPM GSM Line In Switch enable! Feb 26 09:56:49 :D Feb 26 09:57:31 err capture left mixer? Feb 26 09:57:48 DocScrutinizer: is there any progress on generating sane states? Or you're still in planning/thinking phase, busy with uSD image? Feb 26 09:57:50 ahh I see Feb 26 09:58:07 it seems not entirly deterministic Feb 26 09:59:05 SDimage is almost done. Still im planning phase though, and was kinda ill last two days. Intended to push out the RFC yesterday :o( Feb 26 09:59:58 DocScrutinizer: (ill) that's winter, after all... Get well soon! :) Feb 26 10:00:05 if i set the capture mixer to "right" first, then the right mixer to left, the left mixer is also displayed as "left", but it is not working Feb 26 10:00:21 i need to switch the left mixer back and forth, then it's working Feb 26 10:00:26 yeah, but this nasty mess is after me for almost 8 weeks now. Feb 26 10:00:48 shoragan: duh, strange. file a bug! Feb 26 10:00:59 k Feb 26 10:02:06 well time for dinner ;-) Feb 26 10:02:25 dunch XD Feb 26 10:08:24 shoragan: did you touch ADC Data Select? Feb 26 10:08:36 no Feb 26 10:09:12 It also affects how ADC works Feb 26 10:11:54 that's what I meant by "dunno if ADC is setup to use left or right" Feb 26 10:11:54 shoragan: Capture Left Mixer and Capture Right Mixer should work absolutely the same way, it seems Feb 26 10:12:08 PaulFertser, they don't Feb 26 10:12:32 shoragan: can you try to reproduce using only one of them? :) Feb 26 10:12:46 what do you mean by "work the same"? Feb 26 10:13:04 DocScrutinizer, "ADC Data Select" ist set corretly to "Left ADC" Feb 26 10:13:13 any other setting does not work Feb 26 10:13:16 shoragan: hm, you're right. That's related to DAPM it seems Feb 26 10:13:30 oh, stereo works Feb 26 10:13:38 DAPM? Feb 26 10:13:52 shoragan: (other don't work) it would, but you have to fiddle with different set of controlls then Feb 26 10:14:25 shoragan: yes, chip powers off unused parts Feb 26 10:14:30 this manages a "path" of used controls to power them p. Seems a very nasty hack Feb 26 10:14:46 DocScrutinizer, with don't work i meant in my current usecase Feb 26 10:15:06 so much for "alsa policy is to expose raw registers" ;-D Feb 26 10:15:50 s/my current usecase/my current statefile settings/ Feb 26 10:16:17 :) Feb 26 10:16:35 both capture muxes can only be changed together? Feb 26 10:16:47 err mixers Feb 26 10:17:15 shoragan: they are changed together, but that affects powering on/off some parts of the codec, which seem to have some error. Feb 26 10:17:16 ah, this makes sense Feb 26 10:17:18 nope, afaik you can select swap mono left, mono right stereo Feb 26 10:17:31 you can Feb 26 10:17:50 but only setting "left" mixer seems to have any effect Feb 26 10:17:57 that's four states by two bits/switches Feb 26 10:17:59 :) Feb 26 10:18:13 the "right mixer" only changes what's displayed in alsamixer Feb 26 10:18:28 Because the bits are actually changed Feb 26 10:18:34 in alsamixer they always change at once Feb 26 10:18:39 Sure Feb 26 10:18:51 but then why have two controls at all? Feb 26 10:19:00 (error)yup, this is related to the DAPM thing Feb 26 10:19:20 Because that's two different audio paths, that affects power management differently, i guess :) Feb 26 10:19:24 Not exactly intuitiev Feb 26 10:19:35 so there is more state than is displayed with alsamixer/ Feb 26 10:21:49 comment.item.1 'Analogue Mix Left' Feb 26 10:21:50 comment.item.2 'Analogue Mix Right' Feb 26 10:21:52 comment.item.3 'Digital Mono Mix' Feb 26 10:21:53 iface MIXER Feb 26 10:21:54 name 'Capture Right Mixer Feb 26 10:22:05 same for left Feb 26 10:22:27 shoragan: yes, but it should work properly in a "hidden" way, that is, parts of the chip automatically powered on/off when needed. Feb 26 10:22:28 'Digital Mono Mix' is nonsense and should read stereo Feb 26 10:22:44 nope sorry Feb 26 10:22:49 shoragan: it makes sense actually, because there's infrastracture to make that easy and transparent in place. Feb 26 10:24:30 the problem seems to be that you need to switch the "capture left mixer" to something different first, before it is working correctly Feb 26 10:24:50 when loading the state file that doesn't happern of course Feb 26 10:25:17 shoragan: you shouldn't care about that much now, because it's obviously a kernel bug that will be fixed. Feb 26 10:25:41 alsa bug Feb 26 10:25:45 broonie Feb 26 10:26:12 DAPM power management probably Feb 26 10:26:13 but atleast i have a workaround for now :) Feb 26 10:26:20 great Feb 26 10:27:34 * DocScrutinizer away now. massively hypoglycemic Feb 26 10:49:04 shoragan: I'm not able to fix it fast, while broonie probably can do it in 10 minutes, don't forget to CC him when you file a bug :) Feb 26 10:49:28 PaulFertser, i'm currently writing the mail Feb 26 11:03:11 is there any news on opimd-integration in shr? Feb 26 11:06:36 Azog: stalled... it will happen in unstable after current unstable got testing :-) Feb 26 11:06:45 and that needs still some fixing Feb 26 11:08:12 oh, that's a pity Feb 26 11:09:13 question - will shr move to 2.6.29 soon as that seems to be where some useful work on the serial port stuff is happening Feb 26 11:10:08 billk_: shr is on 2.6.29... at least for unstable. testing is quite dead... Feb 26 11:10:17 or are you talking about gta01? Feb 26 11:10:24 mrmoku: no, it is on 2.6.28 Feb 26 11:10:41 root@om-gta02 ~ $ uname -a Feb 26 11:10:42 Linux om-gta02 2.6.28-rc4 #1 PREEMPT Mon Feb 16 09:37:55 WST 2009 armv4tl unknown Feb 26 11:10:42 root@om-gta02 ~ $ Feb 26 11:10:55 image built by me and updated this morning ... Feb 26 11:11:27 billk_: ahh, sorry.. ok. (thought you were talking about 2.6.24 :-) Feb 26 11:11:41 that is the rev set by fso for their images... we use that one. Feb 26 11:11:56 if you're building yourself you can just overwrite that Feb 26 11:12:04 ok, will wait ... impatiently :) Feb 26 11:12:22 will have a go at it Feb 26 11:15:12 shoragan: can it be that it's because you're loading a state-file? That during it first Capture Left Mixer is set, then Capture Right Mixer is set, and setting the second invalidates paths for the first? Hm... I should stop, let broonie fix it, he'll do it faster and better anyway :) Feb 26 11:17:38 shoragan: state files is bad idea because they touch every control, and that can break ASoC assumptions. Feb 26 11:21:52 And it seems there shouldn't be two parallel controls in the first place, that doesn't make sense after all. Too bad that if broonie merges them, then _all_ statefiles will break again. Statefiles system is braindead anyway, harms the development and bugfixing. Feb 26 11:25:16 morning Feb 26 11:44:21 dos1: btw... raster fixed the segfaults in elementary_test... phonegui-efl is still segfaulting though Feb 26 11:44:39 mrmoku: :( Feb 26 12:03:36 i translated zhone to polish - is anyone here with ability to commit it? Feb 26 12:04:07 dos1: python gettext? Feb 26 12:04:45 lindi-: there was russian translating commited; i downloaded po file and changed values :D Feb 26 12:08:35 mrmoku: what do you think about that mockup? http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/mockup.png Feb 26 12:09:18 dos1: wow... nice :D Feb 26 12:10:45 mrmoku: i think that would be better than pop-uping fullscreen window with message content ;) Feb 26 12:12:25 dos1: pretty Feb 26 12:12:36 BTW, I've written a small C wrapper that RequestResouce, then executes whatever command it has been given, and Releases it after the prog quit Feb 26 12:13:01 so we could call "nosuspend tangogps" and have it prevent suspending while tangogps runs Feb 26 12:13:42 if you make a hardlink from nosuspend to noblank and call it with "noblank tangogps" it won't even dim Feb 26 12:14:51 ok, so now - how to implement that mockup :D Feb 26 12:15:40 "%s new messages" should wait to opimd i think Feb 26 12:16:04 so for now we could have n overlapping windows with "New message" text Feb 26 12:16:12 dos1: does e have some notification system? Feb 26 12:16:16 (or "Missed call") Feb 26 12:16:19 like libnotify in gnome? Feb 26 12:16:43 spaetz: it has some, but raster said that it won't be very usable with illume Feb 26 12:16:49 ok Feb 26 12:18:08 just make the LED blink if you got a message, problem solved :) Feb 26 12:18:35 missed call "blink red", missed message "blink blue" Feb 26 12:18:40 spaetz: but when it should stop blinking? :P Feb 26 12:19:26 i will do that small notify window, if only i know how to do that window with illume, which is not maximalized Feb 26 12:20:19 dos1: I kind of like the suggestion in http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/252 Feb 26 12:20:26 show missed calls and new messages Feb 26 12:20:27 like the piggy shows the money Feb 26 12:20:49 (it just modifies the .desktop file to say "1 missed call" or something like that Feb 26 12:20:59 so a missed call shows up like a new app Feb 26 12:28:19 spaetz: i don't like that solution Feb 26 12:28:40 spaetz: if you want you can write it, it should be simple Feb 26 12:29:28 in my opinion window from my mockup will be there even, when illume will have today screen Feb 26 12:29:55 I am not that interested in missed calls, I like your mockup better Feb 26 12:30:11 so feel free to hack away :) Feb 26 12:31:03 but how to make that window not fullscreen... Feb 26 12:31:22 dos1: like the loading/progress bar? Feb 26 12:31:47 good question. aren't there explicit set_size() or something like that? Feb 26 12:31:48 toggles_w: yes, but loading bar is not another window - is only graphical layer on illume Feb 26 12:32:00 ahh Feb 26 12:32:19 * toggles_w thinks dos1 getter get out the c compiler Feb 26 12:32:44 * mrmoku thinks toggles_w is wise :P Feb 26 12:34:22 only reason i think that is i tried my first python app yesterday, trying to write a very basic mail app, anyway i was trying to do the screen layout with py-gtk, based on the example you just pack boxes together and hope... Feb 26 12:34:52 kinda like java/swing, it's infuriating tht you can only 'hint' where to put stuff.. Feb 26 12:37:55 raster is sleeping i think... now i have to go, mrmoku - can you ask raster when he will be here about making small window aligning to bottom of screen? like panel with autohiding enabled ;) Feb 26 12:39:02 dos1: did you ping him... should not sleep now ;) Feb 26 12:39:05 can ask him though... Feb 26 12:39:11 raster: ping Feb 26 12:39:15 :D Feb 26 12:40:03 and another question to raster: is there possibility to block screen with that black stripe (that one under AUX) from console? Feb 26 12:41:10 dos1: the simple lock? Feb 26 12:41:50 mrmoku: yep Feb 26 12:42:36 i would like to automatically block screen on idle_lock from rules.yaml Feb 26 12:44:26 ok, now i really have to go Feb 26 12:44:31 cu ;) Feb 26 13:01:49 mmh, shr-settings needs a slider that let's us set the display brightness, I think Feb 26 13:01:59 but how to make it survive reboots? Feb 26 13:03:40 store in xxx.rules Feb 26 13:03:54 can I add more rules files? Feb 26 13:04:01 that would indeed solve the problem Feb 26 13:04:10 * spaetz checks frameworkd Feb 26 13:04:43 having a rules.d dir with additional rules, so I don't have to resort to "sed" magic Feb 26 13:05:43 or have a small settings app that is called on system start and that "AddRule"s dynamically Feb 26 13:42:02 mrdos Feb 26 13:42:03 mrmoku Feb 26 13:42:10 What a pleasure to see you both. Feb 26 13:44:11 anyone used tinymail? Feb 26 13:55:58 tinymail? Feb 26 14:10:52 Dave: *TINYMAIL* Feb 26 14:11:13 it's python demo is way over the top for a lowly c programmer like me.. Feb 26 14:12:55 mickey|zzZZzz: we shouldn't use /etc/asound.state and /etc/init.d/alsa-state Feb 26 14:14:06 mickey|zzZZzz: no use in restoring old state on boot. Better we load a defined scenario, preferably stereoout.state Feb 26 14:14:28 and check if headset plugged in or not Feb 26 14:15:57 oh heh Feb 26 14:15:58 nah Feb 26 14:16:20 occasional reports of broken sound after shutdown with headset connected are probably related to /etc/init.d/alsa-state Feb 26 14:22:37 hi, there is a problem with the SDL port to fr... there is a bug... Feb 26 14:23:31 sylar91: well, report it? Feb 26 14:23:41 where? Feb 26 14:23:44 here? Feb 26 14:24:35 when the window isn't 480x640 the unused part of the screen is filled by the black color instead of transparency.... Feb 26 14:26:55 mmmm what is this error? gcc: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory Feb 26 14:27:40 sylar91: missing binutils? Feb 26 14:27:52 sylar91: depends on what distro you use? Feb 26 14:28:16 openmoko2008.12 :) Feb 26 14:31:17 sylar91: then bugs.openmoko.org Feb 26 14:31:40 and the app is windowed, not "full screen" at less than 480x640? Feb 26 14:31:59 AntokTakk: I mean when it is windowed Feb 26 14:32:11 just making sure :) Feb 26 14:33:10 PaulFertser: Thanks, I have solved Feb 26 15:14:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r6c510b74ae90 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/resources.py: ousaged: bring back ResourceInUse exception Feb 26 15:14:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3def753e3a8f 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Feb 26 15:14:54 freesmartphone.org: introduce new way for a subsystem to scan for plugins Feb 26 15:14:54 freesmartphone.org: the default is to scan the filesystem, looking at each Feb 26 15:14:54 freesmartphone.org: and every file. we now provide a way to use the configuration Feb 26 15:14:56 freesmartphone.org: file, so every plugin needs to be mentioned as a Feb 26 15:14:58 freesmartphone.org: (if necessary, empty) section. the example configuration has Feb 26 15:15:00 freesmartphone.org: been adjusted. Feb 26 15:43:38 Deubeuliou: hello Feb 26 16:06:58 any ETA on a new shr unstable image? Feb 26 16:17:19 whenever mrmoku starts the new build :) Feb 26 16:25:18 spaetz, :and the ETA on that? :p Feb 26 16:38:56 Zorkman: you want one built today? Feb 26 16:43:17 toggles_w, : i'm going to have to reflash my shr-unstable so a new image would be handy, but not nescessary if i can opkg upgrade the latest one without any problems Feb 26 16:44:28 Zorkman: i can give you my personal build, but it'll take an hour to download ;-) Feb 26 16:45:23 if it works i'm game :) Feb 26 16:46:09 Zorkman: i wont be able to tell you for about 3hrs, so your call ;-) Feb 26 16:46:39 why not, afterall, when you're installing something called "unstable" you have to take risks ;) Feb 26 16:57:11 hello I try to build FSO with FsoMakefile it gets me ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'fso-image' Feb 26 16:57:11 can anyone point me in the right direction Feb 26 16:57:49 check the images directory Feb 26 16:57:52 perhaps it has been renamed Feb 26 16:58:08 change in the makfile? Feb 26 16:58:44 no idea, sorry Feb 26 16:58:50 I'm using oe directly Feb 26 16:59:04 chances are you just need call another make target Feb 26 16:59:10 make fso-zhone-image or so Feb 26 16:59:22 let me encourage you to look at the directories if things don't work Feb 26 16:59:24 ok I try Feb 26 16:59:37 * mrmoku wonders if SHR should remove AUTOREV for frameworkd now :-) Feb 26 16:59:46 mrmoku: yes Feb 26 16:59:50 mrmoku: i'm introducing some changes Feb 26 16:59:59 or rather Feb 26 16:59:59 ok :-) Feb 26 17:00:00 will Feb 26 17:00:19 take the rev from sane-srcrevs instead? Feb 26 17:00:20 although we're heading ms 5.5 Feb 26 17:00:24 so no big changes Feb 26 17:00:31 yes, sane-srcrevs will contain a blessed version Feb 26 17:00:44 ok, thanks Feb 26 17:04:31 any news on opimd btw? Feb 26 17:04:41 (just curious -ok, and a bit anxious :)-) Feb 26 17:05:03 Zorkman: 12:06 mrmoku - Azog: stalled... it will happen in unstable after current unstable got testing :-) Feb 26 17:05:11 yep :-) Feb 26 17:05:44 but nobody knows when ?:> Feb 26 17:07:24 mickeyl: hmm... we (SHR) already are after the one specified in sane-srcrevs... Feb 26 17:07:40 will fix SHR on that one instead (which is the milestone5.1 tag) Feb 26 17:08:08 just curious mrmoku : why doesn't it have a higher priority? it would make shr usable as a daily phone for me Feb 26 17:08:25 (only store sms not on sim would do the trick for me :)) Feb 26 17:08:46 mrmoku: ah Feb 26 17:08:55 i'm working a bit on mickey/org.freesmartphone.dev for a while Feb 26 17:09:01 there i have increased the sane-srcrev Feb 26 17:09:09 err Feb 26 17:09:13 mickey/org.openembedded.dev Feb 26 17:09:41 i will stop commiting to oe.dev until the next bunch of SlugOS comes out Feb 26 17:09:42 yep saw that one... nevermind I just set a fixed rev in the SHR autorev file for now Feb 26 17:10:08 * mrmoku is very interested in minimal.conf btw. :-) Feb 26 17:10:14 ah, great Feb 26 17:10:21 i need some support for that Feb 26 17:10:26 most people are only interested in angstrom Feb 26 17:11:34 well... how far is it? I could try to start a SHR distro.conf with minimal as base? Feb 26 17:11:48 i'd say give it a shot Feb 26 17:11:56 if it doesn't build, we need to fix it Feb 26 17:12:09 ok... great. will tell you breakages then Feb 26 17:12:19 i'd use the mickey branch of oe for that though Feb 26 17:12:48 ok Feb 26 17:14:41 Zorkman: started a build now Feb 26 17:20:38 ~seen thseiler Feb 26 17:20:39 thseiler was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 14h 22m 7s ago, saying: 'joerg_42: me too, if that a small comfort to you...'. Feb 26 17:21:19 mrmoku, how long will it take? toggles_w : will it be more up to date than your image? Feb 26 17:22:26 Zorkman: not long... not that much to build Feb 26 17:22:36 will ping you when it finished Feb 26 17:22:44 k Feb 26 17:36:41 Zorkman: ping :-) Feb 26 18:00:19 Hi all... Feb 26 18:00:37 can i make a question? Feb 26 18:00:48 a very newbie question? Feb 26 18:01:32 i'd like to start developing with efl etk under python...where could i find the library? Feb 26 18:01:37 to install? Feb 26 18:03:02 Jack_Flame: opkg install python-elementary Feb 26 18:03:40 yes, thanks i already know that but....i mean in my computer not on Neo. Feb 26 18:03:52 Jack_Flame: the python bindings are in e svn Feb 26 18:04:23 don't know how to build that though... I think there is same easy17.sh script or somthing like that Feb 26 18:04:23 ok thanks Feb 26 18:04:41 you might get more help in #e channel Feb 26 18:05:14 (not that people here are not helpful :P) Feb 26 18:05:25 :D Feb 26 18:11:01 mrmoku still with 38274 ? Feb 26 18:11:36 von_fritz: yep :( Feb 26 18:11:55 as long as our apps are segfaulting on newer efl... Feb 26 18:12:09