**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 28 02:59:58 2009 Feb 28 03:08:13 any VoIP news Feb 28 03:09:37 iax/sip Feb 28 03:14:11 http://sflphone.org looks neat simple gtk one Feb 28 07:57:28 http://cguharry.myweb.hinet.net/ Feb 28 07:57:40 Dear All, give me a hand please!!! Feb 28 07:58:54 fill the survey....studying days are tough for me .. :( Feb 28 08:01:59 mickey|tv: ok thanks :-) Feb 28 09:06:15 * dos1 is fixing build problems on shr-unstable... Feb 28 09:28:51 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry hello pls give me hand to fill my survey Feb 28 09:37:43 ok, looks like fixed Feb 28 09:37:58 mrmoku|away: i think build problems are fixed now :) Feb 28 09:54:37 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry Feb 28 10:08:40 Hm, WTF Matt is talking about separate statefile for A7? :( Feb 28 10:10:47 hello, what should I install to get the session dbus on SHR(ophonekitd says dbus is not avaliable and the setting don't work) Feb 28 10:27:52 maybe i've found the cause...my fault Feb 28 10:40:39 hello -force-downgrade seems to be the opkg argument i'm looking for...I want to install an old version of a package(dbus-x11) how do I do it? Feb 28 10:46:55 Gnutoo, you wont find the older package in the repo i think, maybe in the shr-testing repo or in any other older repo, and if not you need to make you own ipk, which isnt that hard, and just install this package with opkg -force-downgrade Feb 28 10:48:00 root_at, i've my own repo,and it only want to install the newer dbus-x11 package that is in my own repo Feb 28 10:48:13 ok i'll retry Feb 28 10:48:52 Gnutoo why do you have the newer version in your repo if you dont want it? Feb 28 10:49:15 root_at, it was compiled as a dep of emacs-x11 Feb 28 10:49:58 Gnutoo, but it has its own ipk, doesnt it? why dont you just remove it? Feb 28 10:50:36 because there is a package-index Feb 28 10:50:58 root_at, -force-downgrade doesn't work Feb 28 10:51:17 Gnutoo, isnt there any force-install or something? Feb 28 10:51:36 ( http://rafb.net/p/m2juX742.html ) Feb 28 10:51:44 did you remove the newer dbus-x11 already? opkg remove i mean Feb 28 10:52:35 Gnutoo, i never user it, but there is an offline mode or something, so he cant connect to the repo and it has to install the ipk you give him Feb 28 10:52:40 used* Feb 28 10:53:21 yes I did remove it Feb 28 10:53:34 and i think you need to delete the tmp of opkg, there could be a package Feb 28 10:54:00 and be sure to be not connected to internet Feb 28 10:55:21 I need a rootdir for offline Feb 28 10:55:43 Gnutoo, then just delete the tmp of opkg and disconnect from internet Feb 28 10:56:18 root_at, ok thanks Feb 28 10:56:31 (if you dont know where it is, just do a "find /var -name "*.ipk" and the dir will be shown) Feb 28 10:56:48 Gnutoo, you are welcome Feb 28 10:57:49 maybe I should ask the dev of opkg to add a downgrade feature Feb 28 10:59:40 Gnutoo, there is already the force-downgrade, dont know why it doesnt work...but you have the package you want installed now? Feb 28 11:00:25 it's installed now but I don't like deleting all the cache(or whatever it's called) of opkg Feb 28 11:01:07 this is just the tmp, it would be deleted anyway after shutdown Feb 28 11:03:21 ok Feb 28 11:04:01 mmm it was not dbus but something is broken: ** (process:1359): DEBUG: dbus not available, try again in 5s Feb 28 11:04:09 in ophonekitd Feb 28 11:04:12 and I think it's my setup Feb 28 11:04:45 and 2009.02.28 10:29:32 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'gsm0710muxd' from FSO Feb 28 11:04:59 fails with: 2009.02.28 10:29:32 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR could not open channel MISC, retrying in 2 seconds Feb 28 11:14:25 i am sorry, i have as good as no idea about all this dbus things Feb 28 11:15:15 but the dbus often takes some time til its working after boot, about 5 mins or something Feb 28 11:17:42 ok Feb 28 11:57:14 Ive been building shr-unstable for a few days now - Ive copied Feb 28 11:57:29 the ipk directory to my webserver and Feb 28 11:57:45 edited the FR opkg conf files to point to it - it Feb 28 11:58:02 seems to see it ok, but doesnt do any updates, point Feb 28 11:58:20 the FR back to bearstech and a heap of updates just happened Feb 28 11:58:27 what am I missing? Feb 28 11:59:08 billk: dns? Feb 28 11:59:40 or bitbake package-index? Feb 28 11:59:45 I what way? - its an internal server on a 192.168 - it downloads the Feb 28 12:00:00 update files ok, just no upgrades Feb 28 12:00:14 if you configured the ip... then dns is not the problem :P Feb 28 12:00:29 the package-index might be... though Feb 28 12:00:52 package indexes are there - no missing files when I compared looked at both bearstech and the local using firefox Feb 28 12:02:11 billk: but did you update the package-index (with bitbake)? Feb 28 12:04:11 make update; cd shr-unstable; make image Feb 28 12:04:29 then copied the files across Feb 28 12:04:36 not enough... make image does not build the package-index me thinks Feb 28 12:04:47 the update using bitbake is something different? Feb 28 12:04:51 either do make distro or bitbake package-index Feb 28 12:04:59 ok, tkx Feb 28 13:33:54 hi Feb 28 14:04:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r43c702908041 10/ (31 files in 4 dirs): clean up build a bit, build static phonesim library Feb 28 14:09:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r258f23d3effa 10/ (app/app.pro data/gsm-xml.pl gsm-xml.pl): add pro file for app Feb 28 14:13:22 mickeyl: releasing display works like a charm now... thanks :-) Feb 28 14:13:29 np Feb 28 14:13:31 thanks for finding the problem Feb 28 14:13:44 well... np Feb 28 14:13:45 i didn't notice it here at first Feb 28 14:13:49 since i have a fully populated config Feb 28 14:14:47 mickeyl: btw... my shr minimal build stopped at kernel... in modinst_post Feb 28 14:15:29 which error? Feb 28 14:15:44 let me check... Feb 28 14:16:05 FYI: yesterday I wrote "Serial forwarding: A puzzle" to the kernel mailing list Feb 28 14:16:08 I'd be grateful for ideas Feb 28 14:16:17 dunno whether I should forward it to -devel as well Feb 28 14:16:22 perhaps to raise the audience Feb 28 14:17:13 mickeyl: ...install-sh: ./-m0644 does not exist Feb 28 14:17:20 ah Feb 28 14:17:23 git pull --rebase Feb 28 14:17:26 fixed that in my branch Feb 28 14:17:31 ahh. ok Feb 28 14:17:49 saw your mail... though I'm far from being that lowlevel :( Feb 28 14:17:53 hehe Feb 28 14:17:56 (to have ideas) Feb 28 14:17:59 it's really a mistery Feb 28 14:18:04 nothing urgent though Feb 28 14:18:16 just something that has been confusing me for months Feb 28 14:53:31 folks.. give me a hand http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry Feb 28 14:53:39 fill the survey.. Feb 28 14:55:15 harrytt: much better ;) Feb 28 14:55:37 I learn al ot from here Feb 28 14:56:02 use the IRC, wiki.... Feb 28 14:56:36 hello, i've a problem with FSO,SHR and dbus...ophonekitd doesn't find the dbus session Feb 28 14:56:46 (I think) Feb 28 15:12:49 is my modem dead or off? Feb 28 15:14:45 help please, I fear that my modem is dead Feb 28 15:15:28 picocom /dev/ttySAC0 doesn't respond!!! and I killed all other things accessing this serial port Feb 28 15:18:28 Gnutoo, did you flash a new gsm firmware? Feb 28 15:18:44 root_at, yes but it was some time ago and it worked after that Feb 28 15:19:46 Gnutoo: I actually only had success talking to modem, if I use mickeyterm with default mux interface (automatically loads gsm0710mux) Feb 28 15:20:09 ok I'll try but I bet it won't work Feb 28 15:20:21 as I killed FSO,and SHR Feb 28 15:20:24 it will :) Feb 28 15:21:10 ok Feb 28 15:21:12 thanks a lot Feb 28 15:21:16 just be aware modem goes suspend after 10sec Feb 28 15:21:31 it only says <----------- Mickey's Term V2.9.3 @ /dev/ttySAC0 -----------> Feb 28 15:21:59 and doesn't accept "wrong" chars other than A And then T at beginning of line Feb 28 15:22:37 dev/ttySAC0 didn't work for me Feb 28 15:23:15 and /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on is set to 1 Feb 28 15:23:26 yes I know AT commands a little bit Feb 28 15:24:43 mickeyterm wihtout argument gives the following error: serial.serialutil.SerialException: could not open port : [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '' Feb 28 15:24:54 maybe I should try to reinstall the rootfs? Feb 28 15:25:02 (know AT) anyway I never seen a modem before that doesn't even echo other chars than A for first char of line Feb 28 15:25:20 hmm Feb 28 15:26:00 for me on fso5 it works, so maybe good idea Feb 28 15:27:25 ouch I have: /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd[2199]: gsm0710muxd.c:1709:start_muxer(): Modem does not respond to AT commands, trying close mux mode Feb 28 15:28:04 a good idea is to use mickeyterm with charmode (-c iirc) and send "AATE1" to modem Feb 28 15:28:22 (sic) Feb 28 15:28:34 ok i'll try Feb 28 15:29:01 np, that's normal Feb 28 15:30:02 it closes mux mode and reinits modem. then it's ok Feb 28 15:30:09 same problem Feb 28 15:30:41 trying with a port Feb 28 15:31:14 try starting mux with -v interactively. by scutinizing debug output you see modem DOES answer Feb 28 15:36:05 I tried that Feb 28 15:36:23 i'll retry Feb 28 15:36:38 still there's some nasty gotcha with setting up flowcontrol for ttySAC0 when using e.g. 'cat /dev/ttySAC0' Feb 28 15:37:04 that's probably why it didn't work for me Feb 28 15:38:47 a 'stty sane -F /dev/ttySAC0' occasionaly helped but still made cat output "ok" in endless loop Feb 28 15:40:24 DocScrutinizer2: does 'socat - file:/dev/ttySAC0,crtscts,crnl,echo=0,b115200' work always? Feb 28 15:40:43 never tried socat yet Feb 28 15:41:00 been told it should work Feb 28 15:42:47 i'll bitbake socat Feb 28 15:43:41 i'm now waiting fort he default SHR unstable to boot...i'll hope it will work... Feb 28 15:46:59 still doesn't wotk...i'll try FSO Feb 28 15:47:50 another funny detail is 'cat /dev/ttySAC0' returns (on EOF? aka break) when powering down modem Feb 28 15:48:39 ok i'll try Feb 28 15:48:53 i didn't power on the modem this time...i have forgetten to do it Feb 28 15:49:19 muxer does it Feb 28 15:49:32 ok Feb 28 15:49:42 for everything else you need to care Feb 28 15:50:04 muxer also powers down modem on exit Feb 28 15:51:31 anyway it was powered on Feb 28 15:56:40 mickey|sports: url for python-pyrex seems to have changed... ~greg --> greg.ewing Feb 28 16:03:20 just managed to flash 5.1 and it is working, for the most part... I am, however, getting bursts of static that come and go. any ideas? Feb 28 16:09:17 may have been the other end Feb 28 16:17:19 mickey|sports: well... forget about the url :-) they both work... having dns problems on my buildhost Feb 28 16:18:52 mickey|sports: or better still... the first nz has to be www :-) Feb 28 16:19:33 same problem in FSO milestone 5.1 Feb 28 16:19:48 <----------- Mickey's Term V2.9.1 @ /dev/ttySAC0 -----------> Feb 28 16:19:54 and no response from the modem!!!! Feb 28 16:21:02 dev/ttySAC0 didn't work for me Feb 28 16:21:15 once again Feb 28 16:21:19 ah ok Feb 28 16:21:26 so what should i try? Feb 28 16:21:57 use mux what is default iirc Feb 28 16:22:38 DocScrutinizer2, you mean run the mickeyterm without arguments? Feb 28 16:22:47 yup Feb 28 16:23:06 or with -c if you like Feb 28 16:23:13 it fails : Feb 28 16:23:16 ok Feb 28 16:23:20 i'll retry with -c Feb 28 16:23:57 http://rafb.net/p/YMdivh58.html Feb 28 16:25:42 DocScrutinizer2, what should I do now? Feb 28 16:27:26 no idea. maybe start muxer via cmdline first Feb 28 16:27:34 I also see no zhone...neither in the image neither in the feeds Feb 28 16:27:55 never seen this on fso-console ms5 Feb 28 16:30:31 5.1 to be precise Feb 28 16:30:48 http://rafb.net/p/MRLDIf88.html Feb 28 16:31:10 i downloaded fso-illume-ms5.1 Feb 28 16:33:02 try a fuser /dev/ttySAC0 Feb 28 16:33:23 kill all processes accessing modem Feb 28 16:33:32 then start muxer Feb 28 16:33:41 then mickeyterm Feb 28 16:34:01 if it fails I have no clue Feb 28 16:34:24 same error: gsm0710muxd[4397]: gsm0710muxd.c:1709:start_muxer(): Modem does not respond to AT commands, trying close mux mode Feb 28 16:34:28 ah mickeyterm Feb 28 16:34:30 ok Feb 28 16:35:01 that's ok as I already told ya Feb 28 16:35:17 same mickeyterm error Feb 28 16:35:18 ok Feb 28 16:35:21 seen this "doesnt respond" every time Feb 28 16:35:21 sorry Feb 28 16:35:29 ah yes you're right Feb 28 16:36:28 start muxer with -v and you'll see yourself Feb 28 16:39:20 ok I think I'll go...I started with -v and mickeyterm without args and it didn't change anything Feb 28 16:39:34 next to "doesn't respond" you'll find "AT cmd interpreter ready" from modem Feb 28 16:40:30 ok Feb 28 16:40:44 you need to type AATAT Feb 28 16:41:04 ok thanks a lot for your patience Feb 28 16:41:16 as modem goes to sleep and will swallow first char you type Feb 28 16:42:08 and doesn't respond with any error msg as long as it didn't sync by seing a correct "AT" Feb 28 16:42:26 ok but mickeyterm always raise an error.... Feb 28 16:43:22 and doesn't even echo any incorrect char other than any number of "A" followed by a "T" Feb 28 16:43:29 no Feb 28 16:43:43 but I ran it without arguments or with -c Feb 28 16:43:43 as you can tell by using -c for mickeyterm Feb 28 16:45:03 send "AT" then in less than 10sec again, then <10 send "ATE1" Feb 28 16:46:52 to stop annoying char-loss send "at%sleep=1" Feb 28 16:47:30 ah this time I saw: AT-Command Interpreter ready Feb 28 16:47:33 stops modem from going suspend and no need to send a garbage char to wake it again Feb 28 16:47:47 good!!!!! Feb 28 16:48:34 so it took you less time than me to get this first result ;-) Feb 28 16:51:39 I can now reproduce it: Feb 28 16:51:52 start the mux then start mickeyterm but very quickely Feb 28 16:52:09 and you don't even have the time to type a command and it's gone Feb 28 16:52:18 that is to say doesn't respond to commands Feb 28 16:53:07 it does if you wake it and then send the command in less than 10sec Feb 28 16:54:39 i recommend using -c and then typing "AAT" Feb 28 16:55:20 should give an "OK" Feb 28 16:55:56 then enable echo by "AAATE1" Feb 28 16:58:51 then send "AAAT%SLEEP=1" Feb 28 16:59:20 for convenience Feb 28 16:59:23 me 3 Feb 28 16:59:31 I tried aat AAT AAATE1 aaAte1 Feb 28 17:00:16 any "ok" response? Feb 28 17:00:26 no Feb 28 17:00:37 used -c for mickeyterm? Feb 28 17:01:17 yes Feb 28 17:01:19 always Feb 28 17:01:31 :-/ Feb 28 17:02:24 I didn't start muxer by hand, it's done when I "mickeyterm -c" Feb 28 17:02:48 dunno beyond that Feb 28 17:02:54 sorry Feb 28 17:02:59 good luck Feb 28 17:03:14 ok thanks Feb 28 17:03:37 PaulFertser_, hi, I think that I've got a big problem with the modem... Feb 28 17:07:14 btw I hope you're misstyping on " I tried aat ..." Feb 28 17:07:51 jOERG_rw, I tried AT and AAT Feb 28 17:07:53 both Feb 28 17:07:54 basically calypso should know lowercase a as well, but I'm not sure it does for first sync Feb 28 17:08:02 ok Feb 28 17:08:31 you need to send this in less than 10sec, did you? Feb 28 17:08:35 yes Feb 28 17:08:51 so I relly have no more clue Feb 28 17:09:51 maybe I should reflash the modem's firmware as the arm cpu of the modem has a bootloader and it seems that fluid send the firmware via a bootloader upload method...so maybe it will work even if the modem doesn't work well Feb 28 17:10:04 at least that's my understanding Feb 28 17:10:47 no, if modem sends "AT cmd interpreter ready" it's well and no need to update for mickeyterm to work Feb 28 17:13:46 DocScrutinizer, ok but it I have it only once...and otherwise in the mux log...I see only faillure to access the modem Feb 28 17:14:12 could it be a sim card that destroye the modem? Feb 28 17:15:58 nope Feb 28 17:16:04 jr@halley:~/Documents/OpenMoko> sudo neo-ssh Feb 28 17:16:05 SIOCADDRT: Die Datei existiert bereits Feb 28 17:16:06 Warning: Permanently added '192.168.0.202' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. Feb 28 17:16:08 root@192.168.0.202's password: Feb 28 17:16:09 root@om-gta02:~# mickeyterm -c Feb 28 17:16:11 <----------- Mickey's Term V2.9.1 @ /dev/pts/1 -----------> Feb 28 17:16:12 AT-Command Interpreter ready Feb 28 17:16:14 OK Feb 28 17:16:16 OK Feb 28 17:16:18 OK Feb 28 17:16:20 ATE!1 Feb 28 17:16:22 ERROR Feb 28 17:17:03 that's been "AAT" Feb 28 17:17:08 "AAT" Feb 28 17:17:14 "ATE1" Feb 28 17:17:45 after that you see echo of what you type, here "ATE!1" Feb 28 17:19:10 ok i'll try thanks a lot!!! Feb 28 17:25:50 doesn't work...I've no ok Feb 28 17:25:59 I've got an idea...try to access it from the bootloader Feb 28 17:26:07 that's fso-console rootfs ms5.1, updated with latest andy-tracking Feb 28 17:26:35 though this update shouldn't change this issue Feb 28 17:26:54 I've fso-illume with ms5.1 Feb 28 17:28:28 so maybe you need to stop some processes accessing the modem first, and need to make sure muxer is loaded automatically by mickeyterm. I don't see other reason for this to fail Feb 28 17:29:15 ps x |grep mux e.g. Feb 28 17:29:25 mrmoku: i'm not johnny :D "Johny Tenfinger" is only some kind of pseudo ;] Feb 28 17:29:31 fuser /dev/ttySAC0 Feb 28 17:34:31 Gnutoo: btw: you have a battery inserted, do you? modem won't operate without ;) even when rest of device is powered by usb Feb 28 17:34:54 DocScrutinizer2, yes I have Feb 28 17:34:59 k Feb 28 17:36:20 from uboot it seems not to work either Feb 28 17:40:07 dos1: hehe, ok Feb 28 17:40:21 ping PaulFertser_ Feb 28 17:40:44 (he helped me flashing the firmware and seem to know a lot about the gsm firmware) Feb 28 17:42:20 hmm, probably he will redirect you to me ;D Feb 28 17:43:25 ~docscrutinizer Feb 28 17:43:26 somebody said docscrutinizer was Joerg, joerg@openmoko.org Feb 28 17:45:28 somebody was right :) Feb 28 17:47:01 wow, what a smart bot! ;-) Feb 28 17:47:03 :D Feb 28 17:47:15 btw paul isn't fully online ATM. Told me he'll be back in ~5h Feb 28 17:49:30 ah ok lol Feb 28 17:49:54 anyway i'll retry the flashing...which firmware should I flash Feb 28 17:50:45 Gnutoo: from uboot?? what for god's sake should work from uboot wrt calypso? Feb 28 17:50:58 DocScrutinizer2, no from fso Feb 28 17:51:06 did you try to access calypso via uboot console? Feb 28 17:51:15 DocScrutinizer, yes I tried and it failled Feb 28 17:51:39 and from uboot nor Feb 28 17:52:03 hmm never did that Feb 28 17:52:41 ok Feb 28 17:52:45 anyway be assured you don't have a gsm-fw problem Feb 28 17:53:58 you could try and downgrade to moko8 to make sure though ;) Feb 28 17:55:40 I had moko 11 Feb 28 17:57:08 or just flash moko11 another time to make sure it's correctly flashed. fluid will tell "0blocks, 0k" and finish immediately when reflashing same fw-version again Feb 28 17:57:30 ok Feb 28 17:57:32 thanks a lot Feb 28 17:57:45 it does checksum for the fw inside calypso Feb 28 17:58:07 * mwester has upgraded three devices to moko11 now, and not a single problem... Feb 28 17:58:22 mwester: :) Feb 28 17:58:23 The procedure on the wiki is pretty much foolproof now. Feb 28 17:58:52 and will ne even more before end of weekend ;) Feb 28 17:59:26 And with Paul's fix to the kernel power-up sequence, it's actually been rather fun to *remove* all sorts of GSM startup cruft from the various distro starrtup scripts :D Feb 28 17:59:59 great! Feb 28 18:00:08 For the first time ever, it is now possible to reliably restart qt-extended without it having to retry at least once to reset its GSM mux. Feb 28 18:00:24 (restart the app, rather than the entire freerunner) Feb 28 18:01:08 flashing also remarkly simplified Feb 28 18:01:37 though still a pita to create a decent script Feb 28 18:02:03 a not so decent one due to release RSN Feb 28 18:03:47 freesmartphone.org: 03fercerpav 07framework * r374a68ef4b0f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (device.py gsm/sms.py modems/abstract/unsolicited.py): Feb 28 18:03:47 freesmartphone.org: Preliminary support for SMS message delivery reports Feb 28 18:03:47 freesmartphone.org: I couldn't find enough reliable information for that type of PDU, Feb 28 18:03:47 freesmartphone.org: therefore support is incomplete for now. Feb 28 18:03:49 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd849197acf1a 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: Feb 28 18:03:52 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Do not request message delivery reports by default Feb 28 18:03:54 freesmartphone.org: This will be a per-message option Feb 28 18:03:55 ;) Well as long as its not "indecent", not-so-decent is fine. :D Feb 28 18:03:56 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r82429ede140d 10/tests/sms.py: tests: Make the SMS tests fine granular Feb 28 18:03:59 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc3b97c2e993b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): Feb 28 18:04:02 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Factor out the different message types in individual classes Feb 28 18:04:04 freesmartphone.org: With individual parse and pdu methods for each message type it's now Feb 28 18:04:06 freesmartphone.org: a lot easier to follow the construction of a message. Feb 28 18:04:08 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r6df03e843871 10/tests/sms.py: tests: Add more testcases for sms property defaults Feb 28 18:04:10 so Gnutoo 's problems are clearly userland or maybe kernel. not gsm-fw related Feb 28 18:04:15 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r7dd72517f0d3 10/tests/sms.py: Feb 28 18:04:17 freesmartphone.org: tests: Add a test to measure the time decoding an sms-deliver message Feb 28 18:04:19 freesmartphone.org: Also fix the SMS generation test Feb 28 18:04:21 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * re02840a447ef 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Feb 28 18:04:23 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Change naming of sms address Feb 28 18:04:23 ah ok Feb 28 18:04:27 freesmartphone.org: Follow name changes in modems/abstract/mediator.py and Feb 28 18:04:29 freesmartphone.org: modems/abstract/unsolicited.py so sending and receiving messages will Feb 28 18:04:31 freesmartphone.org: work again with the new stack. Use the new class names directly. Feb 28 18:04:33 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r12f6e9897894 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Add stubs for remaining sms classes Feb 28 18:04:40 CIA flood! Feb 28 18:04:47 yay! Feb 28 18:09:05 anyway it doesn't want to flash Feb 28 18:16:26 but the strange thing is that it doesn't work with the bootloader Feb 28 18:22:36 so what should I do now? Feb 28 18:24:00 is there something that is known to work? Feb 28 18:34:52 Gnutoo: flashing gsm failed? duh. wait a short while. then try my revised uSD image Feb 28 18:35:23 DocScrutinizer, it hang at Bootloader: (reset target) and powering on or of the GSM doesn't change anything Feb 28 18:35:35 DocScrutinizer2, where is your uSD image? Feb 28 18:36:42 see gsm/flashing for exact procedure. Without sysnode patch which isn't included in recent Ms5.1 it needs more than just powercycling modem to start FLUID flashing Feb 28 18:36:59 DocScrutinizer, ah ok thanks a lot Feb 28 18:37:33 uSD image is offline temporarily as it need a small rework Feb 28 18:37:48 ok Feb 28 18:37:57 thanks a lot anyway Feb 28 18:38:32 supposed to be dd'd (duh a nice "word") to a uSD, which you then boot FR from Feb 28 18:39:20 consists of a patched MS5.1-console rootfs and kernel, plus a startscript automating flashing Feb 28 18:39:45 Alas last image I puvlished was broken somehow Feb 28 18:40:44 I'd send the script to you, but it won't work without the mentioned sysfs node patch Feb 28 18:41:23 ok thanks a lot Feb 28 18:41:34 I also have SHR Feb 28 18:41:43 so either try again by *carefully* following the instructions on gsm/flashing, or just wait a bit Feb 28 18:41:52 ok Feb 28 18:46:38 dd'd :D like it ;] Feb 28 18:51:21 * dos1 thinks finally fixed all problems from yesterday; now testing, if translating works ;) Feb 28 18:58:15 DocScrutinizer, and if I bitbake the right kernel? Feb 28 18:58:20 or maybe i'll wait Feb 28 19:25:30 dos1: which problems? Feb 28 19:32:20 Zorkman: i broke building yesterday evening ;) Feb 28 19:32:21 hmm Feb 28 19:32:44 openmoko-*3 is translated... but ophonekitd displays text still in english... Feb 28 19:33:23 hmm Feb 28 19:33:27 ok, it works now :D Feb 28 19:41:21 <|Marco|> dos1: has the error I got last night been locked at ? Feb 28 19:41:42 |Marco|: with libframeworkd-phonegui-efl or shr-theme? Feb 28 19:41:54 <|Marco|> the framework Feb 28 19:41:56 last night was broken ;] Feb 28 19:41:59 <|Marco|> aha Feb 28 19:42:14 <|Marco|> doing a upgrade now Feb 28 19:52:57 :) Feb 28 19:58:14 <|Marco|> dos1: gprs is still not possible through dbus Feb 28 19:59:07 |Marco|: say it to mickey|sports, i'm not FSO guy ;) Feb 28 19:59:47 <|Marco|> it's in shr Feb 28 19:59:55 <|Marco|> okiday Feb 28 20:00:10 |Marco|: SHR is using FSO Feb 28 20:00:19 <|Marco|> d'oh, sorry Feb 28 20:00:31 |Marco|: and non-working GPRS is frameworkd problem Feb 28 20:01:14 <|Marco|> yeah Feb 28 20:01:46 mrmoku: if someone upgraded FR with frameworkd from MS5.1, now opkg upgrade won't upgrade it to version with fix for Display resource Feb 28 20:05:24 Gnutoo: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz Feb 28 20:05:37 DocScrutinizer, thanks a lot!!! Feb 28 20:06:00 ETA for upload: +1:10 Feb 28 20:06:50 is it normal that the image's path is http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz.part ? Feb 28 20:07:12 ah ok upload... Feb 28 20:07:20 nope, it's partIAL upload Feb 28 20:07:34 yes I just read it Feb 28 20:10:17 DocScrutinizer2, Gnutoo: lol Feb 28 20:10:46 watsup Feb 28 20:11:09 PaulFertser_, what's funny? Feb 28 20:11:19 Gnutoo: how you pinged me when Doc was around :) Feb 28 20:11:26 PaulFertser_, ah ok Feb 28 20:11:38 lol Feb 28 20:12:01 I wasn't shure of who he was... Feb 28 20:12:23 mwester: i have probably missed that, does the new sysfs sequence work on GTA01 or you have only tried GTA02? Feb 28 20:12:45 I heard his name and thought that he was related to hardware things such as fixing bugs with the capacitors Feb 28 20:13:27 or with calypso modem ;) Feb 28 20:15:01 mwester: yes, I wondered bout this myself. Don't think flashing GTA01 is exactly that simple as with GTA02 Feb 28 20:15:48 DocScrutinizer2: (caps in handset earpiece) do you think A7 has 1uF for R3004/R3005? Feb 28 20:16:07 yup :-( Feb 28 20:17:29 so to handle THIS we really need specific statefile. Given A6 has 0R here Feb 28 20:19:02 Hm, to really check that i need to remove the can again. Do you think it's necessary, the sound is really too loud here with a7 statefile :) Feb 28 20:19:27 What's the reason for that change? Feb 28 20:19:30 but I wasn't able to find out final details on that :-(( Feb 28 20:19:47 TPE madness Feb 28 20:20:04 Doc :D Feb 28 20:20:25 "we need this C for gsm-cert" - lol Feb 28 20:20:56 :o Feb 28 20:20:56 Oh man... Feb 28 20:21:44 Oh yeah Feb 28 20:21:48 Not exactly wise considering all this alsa mess _and_ the fact that 1uF can be too little (speculation) to give loud enough sound (for noisy environments). Feb 28 20:22:06 exactly Feb 28 20:22:20 Man, I need to find a good phone Feb 28 20:22:55 DocScrutinizer2: so, inspecting my A6 to make sure i have 0R there is not necessary? Feb 28 20:23:19 much appreciated Feb 28 20:23:43 R are black, C brown Feb 28 20:23:51 moko11? Feb 28 20:24:01 duh? Feb 28 20:26:01 Dave: according to the modern scientific research no firmware version can cure madness. Feb 28 20:26:20 :( Feb 28 20:26:22 regrettably Feb 28 20:26:53 rotfl Feb 28 20:29:40 but a very small dash of silver varnish pen can change 1uF to a 0R Feb 28 20:29:57 :))) Feb 28 20:32:46 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/490e158e05a760595babd180bc35db14.png <-- I feel rich, how can I get that? Feb 28 20:33:12 TAsn: opkg.org Feb 28 20:33:21 cool! thanks. ;] Feb 28 20:33:28 http://www.opkg.org/package_149.html Feb 28 20:33:30 np Feb 28 20:36:02 PaulFertser_: [2009-02-28 21:05:23] Gnutoo: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz Feb 28 20:36:07 should work now Feb 28 20:36:13 thanks a lot Feb 28 20:36:32 still old script crap :-/ Feb 28 20:36:47 but that worked for me at least eact time Feb 28 20:37:12 Gnutoo: nah, takes another 40min to upload ;D Feb 28 20:37:20 ok lol Feb 28 20:37:56 Gnutoo: anyway thanks in advance for testing :) Feb 28 20:38:16 ok I hope my modem will work again... Feb 28 20:38:42 yeah it's about 80MB Feb 28 20:40:10 gnnnhrr, N810 inadverted reboot once again :-/ Feb 28 20:50:26 DocScrutinizer: is the image ready to download? Feb 28 20:53:55 Hm, obviously not :) Feb 28 20:53:57 another 20min Feb 28 20:54:06 What are the changes comparing to previous one? Feb 28 20:54:24 dunno ;) it works now Feb 28 20:54:40 ah and I changed ext3 to ext2 Feb 28 20:55:34 wich hopefully will improve compatibility with old BL Feb 28 20:56:02 need to include Qi-link though, missed it :-/ Feb 28 20:56:05 Hm, looks like Matt really prefers internal mailing list :-/ Feb 28 20:56:29 duh, how that? Feb 28 20:56:54 I see no relation between old and new bootloaders (u-boot) wrt ext2/ext3 as it doesn't support both. Feb 28 20:58:14 DocScrutinizer: he posted some stuff to the internal list and you personally not CC'ing devel (you quoted his message). Feb 28 20:58:16 that's what I thought in the first place Feb 28 20:58:41 sure Feb 28 20:59:25 that's all about TPE madness. You even lucky if you're CCd Feb 28 20:59:58 "reduce the gain of MIC to avoid echo issue by changing alsa file." and that doesn't mention %N setting at all, how can it make sense? Feb 28 21:00:07 all westerners talk of TPE as "our enigma" Feb 28 21:00:13 or blackbox Feb 28 21:00:48 where is written it makes sense? ;D Feb 28 21:03:08 I thought Matt is a real kernel dev and supposed that his words should reflect reality. Feb 28 21:03:39 enigma! Feb 28 21:04:01 Dave: if only that enigma produced decent results... Feb 28 21:04:40 well I'n not quite sure my own words always make sense or reflect reality. Feb 28 21:04:55 heh yeah Feb 28 21:05:00 sneaky bastard Feb 28 21:06:20 DocScrutinizer2: nobody is. But at least your words can be verified, while theirs only trusted or not trusted. And given how many mistakes they have already done i'd not trust. Feb 28 21:06:52 same ehere XD Feb 28 21:09:07 and yeah, that's another problem in communication with TPE - you quite frequently find yourself in a position you can't argue anymore. Like "needed for gsm-cert", wtf could you say to falsify this? Feb 28 21:10:27 "Give the technical reasons proving that this is really needed"? Feb 28 21:10:36 s/^/Please/ Feb 28 21:11:08 wnag chang from TI china told us 9weeks ago Feb 28 21:11:39 "You might have misunderstood him" Feb 28 21:11:57 I don't understand Feb 28 21:12:20 That's a possible argument. Tell TPE stuff that this is not what really TI meant. Feb 28 21:13:08 that's a psossible answer of our hypothetical TPE peer Feb 28 21:13:40 when telling them what you suggested :D Feb 28 21:14:29 i see that you guys don't like people in TPE ;) Feb 28 21:14:41 I understand. My last "quote" was the additional argument about wnag chang :) Feb 28 21:14:45 or they send you a all-chinese email forward of some strange statement of wang chang Feb 28 21:15:03 :D Feb 28 21:15:41 dos1: I actually like them a lot Feb 28 21:16:11 Hm, given this way of communication it's nearly impossible to falsify anything. :( Feb 28 21:16:12 it's just a problem of "lost in translation" Feb 28 21:17:22 To me it looks more like another method of managing work that doesn't seem to give decent results. Feb 28 21:17:43 and we stupid westerners always forget we mustn't ask a question to chinese or japanese that had to be answered by "yes/no" Feb 28 21:17:52 mrmoku: ping Feb 28 21:18:23 Hm, but the logic laws and computer languages are universal... Feb 28 21:18:53 except for Taiwan ;) Feb 28 21:19:06 mrmoku`: second ping :D Feb 28 21:19:29 it appear to be sent Feb 28 21:19:51 Downloading Feb 28 21:19:52 if it's there, it is Feb 28 21:21:37 dos1: pong (quit busy though... family came back from italy) Feb 28 21:21:47 s/quit/quite/ Feb 28 21:21:48 mrmoku` meant: dos1: pong (quite busy though... family came back from italy) Feb 28 21:21:48 ;) Feb 28 21:22:20 mrmoku`: i only wanted to tell you, that IHMO now shr-unstable can be new testing image Feb 28 21:22:53 dos1: how many positive feedbacks do we have? Feb 28 21:23:17 * mrmoku` will try current unstable image tomorrow Feb 28 21:23:34 mrmoku Feb 28 21:23:47 mrmoku`: it was IHMO ;) Feb 28 21:23:49 and I wanted to write something to the ml... people using unstable now have to switch opkg config Feb 28 21:24:04 if they want to keep a usable phone ;) Feb 28 21:24:23 and warn about the new unstable... that will be really unstable :P Feb 28 21:24:23 I want a usuable phone! Feb 28 21:24:27 Any recommendations? Feb 28 21:25:07 usuable phone? iphone... would be something in between usable and unusable :P Feb 28 21:28:13 maybe something like nokia 3310? :P Feb 28 21:28:48 * mrmoku` wonders if he would still find his PT11 in the basement... ;) Feb 28 21:30:07 shr-settings is stable enough to be in testing i think Feb 28 21:30:28 USSD is fixed... Feb 28 21:30:32 translating is possible Feb 28 21:30:38 dos1: btw.. talking about shr-settings... the suspend/dim switches... what do they do exactly? Feb 28 21:30:58 mrmoku`: RequestResource or ReleaseResource in ophonekitd Feb 28 21:31:12 ok... fine then :-) Feb 28 21:32:06 maybe disabling the timeouts when apropriate would be an idea... Feb 28 21:33:11 mrmoku`: isn't frameworkd doing it when requesting CPU or Display resource? Feb 28 21:33:21 or at last shouldn't it do it? Feb 28 21:33:35 I mean the display... not being able to enter something... Feb 28 21:33:43 (in shr-settings) Feb 28 21:33:50 ah Feb 28 21:34:04 hmm Feb 28 21:34:06 should be easy and makes things clearer maybe Feb 28 21:35:02 mrmoku`: give user control... i don't think it's good idea Feb 28 21:35:03 just an idea... I find shr-settings got really nice :D Feb 28 21:35:28 maybe user wants to set timeouts for dimming even when he had autodimming disabled Feb 28 21:35:29 ;) Feb 28 21:35:42 dos1: but anything you set while eg. the display is requested wont have effect and be reverted when display is released Feb 28 21:35:50 as i did it few seconds ago, cause i installed frameworkd.conf from package :x Feb 28 21:36:09 mrmoku`: reverted? hmm... will check that Feb 28 21:36:49 when releasing display resource frameworkd will take the values from the config or the default if no value is specified if I understood correctly Feb 28 21:37:12 mrmoku`: i checked that and it's not reverted Feb 28 21:37:27 i think config is updated immediately after setting timeout via dbus ;) Feb 28 21:37:53 ahh, ok that would be fine then... Feb 28 21:38:11 thanks a lot!!! it's flashing the GSM Feb 28 21:38:49 Gnutoo: wait for "green" Feb 28 21:38:51 anyway... I will flash the image tomorrow and if it works out (as I expect it to do) I will write something to the ml explaining what we're going to do and prepare testing Feb 28 21:39:00 off for today Feb 28 21:39:00 cu Feb 28 21:39:01 yes I read the readme Feb 28 21:39:02 mrmoku`: what about some block screen in ophonekitd? Feb 28 21:39:10 block screen? Feb 28 21:39:14 mrmoku`: in new unstable... instead of simple lock... Feb 28 21:39:34 if someone builds one... yeah :P Feb 28 21:39:34 Gnutoo: what is the reason you're flashing again btw? Feb 28 21:39:34 mrmoku`: that block screen would be called from AUX key *and* from idle_lock timeout Feb 28 21:39:44 mrmoku`: maybe i will do it ;) Feb 28 21:39:57 ok... cu :-) Feb 28 21:40:01 cu Feb 28 21:40:22 cu -l /dev/ttySAC0? lol Feb 28 21:41:00 it's green Feb 28 21:43:14 it re-works!!! Feb 28 21:43:27 in the flasing image I've got mickeyterm runnung!!! Feb 28 21:43:33 thanks a lot!!! Feb 28 21:43:43 np, welcome Feb 28 21:43:44 Gnutoo: but why do you flash again at all? ;) Feb 28 21:44:15 mickeyterm didn't work for him, on SHR Feb 28 21:44:16 PaulFertser_, I couldn't send AT command to the modem Feb 28 21:44:57 Gnutoo: after previous successful reflash? Feb 28 21:45:09 well I guess that's unchanged ;) Feb 28 21:45:16 PaulFertser_, even without mickeyterm I couldn't send command(with picocom,or other terminal emulator) Feb 28 21:45:25 PaulFertser_, yes Feb 28 21:45:56 PaulFertser_, none of the image I tried worked such as fso-milestone 5.1 or shr-unstable Feb 28 21:46:23 Gnutoo: so, the previous flashing ended somehow incorrectly... Feb 28 21:46:55 PaulFertser_, i will first try the images such as shr or fso-milestone-5.1 again before Feb 28 21:47:06 because for now I am not shure of the cause Feb 28 21:47:12 s/shure/sure/ Feb 28 21:47:13 Gnutoo meant: because for now I am not sure of the cause Feb 28 21:47:18 so probably it's the patched andytracking kernel of the uSD-image that makes mickeyterm work, or the mere fso-console rootfs Feb 28 21:47:23 DocScrutinizer2: btw, recommending to take out the sim may also harm as some people (me including) have uSD electrical connection problems without it. Feb 28 21:48:01 I even tried the AT command from uboot Feb 28 21:48:07 I guess you will notice very quickly ;) Feb 28 21:48:22 ok Feb 28 21:49:08 s/ok/yes/ Feb 28 21:49:10 Gnutoo meant: yes Feb 28 21:54:21 DocScrutinizer2: i'd strongly prefer to see fluid output on the FR's screen... Feb 28 21:54:58 shr-settings question: Feb 28 21:55:03 can't some settings be made persistent? Feb 28 21:55:07 like "auto suspend off" Feb 28 21:55:19 or a choise to make it persistent Feb 28 21:55:35 mmm...seem to be the rootfs or the kernel(there is a patch inside the rootfs that flash the firmware) Feb 28 21:55:45 maybe I'll take the kernel from it Feb 28 21:55:46 PaulFertser_: you don't? why? Feb 28 21:55:51 (and the modules too) Feb 28 21:56:25 DocScrutinizer2: Qi-specific? Feb 28 21:56:57 DocScrutinizer2: yet it worked for me (after creating a symlink), though i saw no output for whatever reason... Feb 28 21:57:07 dunno. all the blue lines are output from script, incl FLUID Feb 28 21:57:55 DocScrutinizer2: Please wait: booting, then two lines about kernel disabling bluetooth, the Angstrom AA, that's all i saw :) Feb 28 21:57:58 did you see the green "DoNE"? Feb 28 21:58:39 strange enough Feb 28 21:59:02 DocScrutinizer2: connected via ssh and saw fluid.exe running. Then it gone after some min. Feb 28 21:59:03 again theses lags... Feb 28 21:59:04 where's all your bootmsgs gone then anyway? o.O Feb 28 21:59:26 Gnutoo: what bootloader did you use? Feb 28 22:00:21 DocScrutinizer2: booted with NOR and now i see more messages Feb 28 22:00:40 Gnutoo: yeah could you give detailed version please Feb 28 22:01:09 PaulFertser_: that's odd for sure Feb 28 22:02:27 DocScrutinizer2: hm, in NOR u-boot "console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0" in Qi "console=tty0 console=ttySAC2,115200" Feb 28 22:02:58 eek Feb 28 22:03:11 Looks like userspace outputs to the last console mentioned. Feb 28 22:04:00 so file a bug against Qi (once again) Feb 28 22:04:24 BTW, this time the first sync is unsuccessful. Feb 28 22:04:42 yup, it always is Feb 28 22:04:54 Hm, i'm not sure if this intentional or not. Let's ask mickey|sports probably? Feb 28 22:05:00 didn't bother me in the end Feb 28 22:05:25 (intentionally) the console issue? Feb 28 22:05:43 DocScrutinizer2: yes Feb 28 22:06:55 sounds like Andy always booting from uSD and usually with debubo ;) might just meet his taste Feb 28 22:08:01 Lots of usual stuff on LCD doesn't make sense anyway, because it slows down the boot. Feb 28 22:08:55 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r11b497d7aff7 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py: otimed: the hardware clock is in utc by default Feb 28 22:08:58 yup, agree Feb 28 22:10:07 PaulFertser_: so you suggest I should create a Qi-link, and redirect script STDOUT to tty0 ? Feb 28 22:10:29 DocScrutinizer2: not only that. Can you give me some time to try to play with the script contents? Feb 28 22:11:01 take all the time you want, np here :) Feb 28 22:12:58 PaulFertser_: a few suggestions: set a more legible tty-charfont Feb 28 22:13:32 exit / not start script when AUX is pressed Feb 28 22:14:10 store output of script to a logfile on SD Feb 28 22:14:49 ** find a reliable way to talk to modem to get version string ** Feb 28 22:15:10 and log to file before and after flashing Feb 28 22:16:47 avoid 1. unsuccesful attempt of fluid thus saving 3min. Suggestion: start FLUID and kill it 10sec later Feb 28 22:17:42 DocScrutinizer2: don't you ask for too much at the same time? ;) Feb 28 22:18:48 DocScrutinizer2: i'll try to see what i can do :) Feb 28 22:18:51 it's been suggestions only. For me and a vast majority of users it's bearable the way it's now Feb 28 22:20:27 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r6084d3813038 10/src/zhone: use signal instead of cno for generic sat info Feb 28 22:22:52 good evening Feb 28 22:22:58 Mobile phones, transform! Feb 28 22:23:25 DocScrutinizer2: the link for Qi and probably redirecting output would be good for Qi users, i guess. BTW, do you think you should make it compatible with GTA01 on some point? I still wonder how to get a modern working kernel for gta01 though. Feb 28 22:23:27 There are too many decepticons for my poor old moko! Feb 28 22:23:35 :D Feb 28 22:23:52 automokos, rollout! Feb 28 22:24:13 man, speaking of which, the autobots/transformers logo would make for a sweet screensaver on SHR Feb 28 22:24:17 or lock/unlock screen :) Feb 28 22:24:22 YES! Feb 28 22:24:42 start working on it Dave:p Feb 28 22:24:49 PaulFertser_: ok. And btw: kernel seems main problem. Next is sysfs power is different Feb 28 22:25:18 only old/retro things like arkanoid sid tunes, transformers and duke3d can make this phone a succes :p Feb 28 22:25:22 DocScrutinizer2: to redirect output add "exec >/dev/tty0" to the start of your script Feb 28 22:25:42 man, I know that :P Feb 28 22:25:43 Dave: provide graphics! i will do lock/unlock screen in nearly future ;) Feb 28 22:25:50 DocScrutinizer2: i didn't :) Feb 28 22:26:40 DocScrutinizer2: obvious trick once you know it. BTW, i used bash without tab-completion for quite some time just because i never read about it :) Feb 28 22:27:04 :P Feb 28 22:27:08 dos1: can we have some info about the lock/unlock screen? size/how will it work Feb 28 22:27:19 you know ALT-. ? Feb 28 22:27:44 PaulFertser_, NOR uboot Feb 28 22:27:51 Zorkman: some fullscreen window, displayed on AUX or idle_lock timeout Feb 28 22:28:05 will there be buttons/sliders? Feb 28 22:28:09 DocScrutinizer2: sure, after that i read all parts about readline stuff :) Feb 28 22:28:13 Gnutoo: version? Feb 28 22:28:14 DocScrutinizer2, what details do you need...(with your kenrnel it works) Feb 28 22:28:28 DocScrutinizer2, don't know let me check Feb 28 22:28:30 * Zorkman is already looking at transformers fonts :) Feb 28 22:28:44 uBoot version it shows on top of menu Feb 28 22:29:10 see README Feb 28 22:29:14 ok i reboot Feb 28 22:29:20 Zorkman: don't know now... i will do some "infrastructure" for that in ophonekitd/libframeworkd-phonegui firstly ;) Feb 28 22:29:40 :P Feb 28 22:29:48 dos :) Feb 28 22:29:54 ok Feb 28 22:30:01 Affirmative! Feb 28 22:30:02 maybe also try to make it look good in x16... Feb 28 22:30:06 dos1, do you do edje? :p Feb 28 22:30:13 speaking of which, where is BluesLee :D Feb 28 22:30:19 * Dave pesters Paul Feb 28 22:30:26 DocScrutinizer, 1.3.2-moko12 Feb 28 22:30:33 Dave: no, but i want to learn ;) Feb 28 22:30:41 may 9 2008 10:28:48 Feb 28 22:30:59 ahh ok. thanks Gnutoo Feb 28 22:32:29 DocScrutinizer2, do you need more infos? Feb 28 22:32:37 nope Feb 28 22:32:51 thanks a lot, also for testing Feb 28 22:33:26 :P Feb 28 22:33:37 you may regret it, dos, but go ahead Feb 28 22:33:43 I'll start sending things your way :D Feb 28 22:33:59 thanks a lot for helping... Feb 28 22:34:12 i must sleep...bye Feb 28 22:34:26 bye Gnutoo Feb 28 22:49:48 have to go Feb 28 22:49:49 cu Feb 28 23:13:41 :p Feb 28 23:13:47 coward. Feb 28 23:14:38 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rad2ec48cdb5a 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: Feb 28 23:14:38 freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: handle unknown position and valid almanac correctly (closes: #265) Feb 28 23:14:38 freesmartphone.org: We were sending (X=0, Y=0, Z=0) as the current ECEF position. Feb 28 23:25:21 DocScrutinizer2: http://pastebin.com/m23beddd0 Feb 28 23:35:14 ok Feb 28 23:35:33 wait %1 I didn't know Feb 28 23:39:00 still there's some odds in it. If you first sleep180 and then kill fluid, then check for fluid and break if it's finished, it seems to me like sorta race if the kill& or the wait%1 will return first. Not exactly what it meant to be Feb 28 23:40:47 PaulFertser_: aiee, "==" is bashism Feb 28 23:40:57 lindi-: and yet it works with busybox sh Feb 28 23:41:03 PaulFertser_: but I don't use busybox sh Feb 28 23:41:58 PaulFertser_: or is it going to be run only from some special firmware-update distro? Feb 28 23:42:22 DocScrutinizer2: if the fluid finishes first, then wait will return 0 (success), if it will be killed, then wait will return something else (130) Feb 28 23:42:45 lindi-: it's run from fso-console distro with busybox sh. Feb 28 23:43:01 how should wait know whether it's been killed or finished by itself? Feb 28 23:43:11 PaulFertser_: ok but how about just making it "=" so that it works with any posix sh? Feb 28 23:43:16 DocScrutinizer2: by the exit status of the process it waits on. Feb 28 23:43:22 lindi-: agree Feb 28 23:44:29 if wait % returns the process exit status we can't use it as we don't know about exit status of fluid Feb 28 23:44:57 DocScrutinizer2: i checked, it's pretty consistent. 0 if everything's all right, some other values for other various reasons. Feb 28 23:45:37 lol, i didn't see any error return from fluid other than 0 Feb 28 23:46:45 DocScrutinizer2: try to cut power inbetween or run it from the dir where *.m0 files are not present or stuff like that. Feb 28 23:47:31 btw there's a big gottcha in your script for the second loop still lingering some sleep180 plus kill around in the background. Feb 28 23:48:10 if fluid aborts prematurely for other error reason than being killed Feb 28 23:49:13 DocScrutinizer2: true. Should have added something like "killall sleep". I'm not a sh programming expert :( Feb 28 23:49:16 quite tricky to follow all lose ends Feb 28 23:49:47 I wanted to do it, but it seemed so unelegant to do killall sleep that i forgot about it. Feb 28 23:50:22 you could also save the pid of fluid and kill it by pid? Feb 28 23:51:21 bah for fluid it's even desirable to killALL, but for sleep I dunno :-/ Feb 28 23:51:42 ah, multiple processes? Feb 28 23:52:00 hey that's system init Feb 28 23:52:40 and probably it's an alltime bad idea to do a killall sleep with root perm Feb 28 23:52:51 Yes, that's why i hesitated Feb 28 23:54:04 lol - told ya it's a little tricky when things come to undeterministic progs and ttyS-i/o Feb 28 23:55:53 I think some shell wizard can solve all that riddles easily. Feb 28 23:56:25 oh great! Feb 28 23:56:45 alphaone: what's up? Feb 28 23:56:46 It seems shoragan is fixing all the ogpsd bugs I created :-) Feb 28 23:56:56 ;D Feb 28 23:57:23 yeah a veritable CIA storm here ;) Mar 01 00:00:02 DocScrutinizer2: http://pastebin.com/m6bf7388a added after "done" shows me the running version Mar 01 00:00:18 duh Mar 01 00:00:30 lemme see Mar 01 00:01:09 stty crtscts Mar 01 00:01:20 woohooo You're my hero!! :)) Mar 01 00:01:45 DocScrutinizer2: should i report my experience with a7 state file now or tomorrow when i'll be able to pull the can carefully to see the R's? Mar 01 00:02:56 hallo Mar 01 00:02:58 ola Mar 01 00:02:59 quye Mar 01 00:03:00 tal Mar 01 00:03:03 muy Mar 01 00:03:05 bien Mar 01 00:03:07 coùmo Mar 01 00:03:09 te Mar 01 00:03:11 llaùmas? Mar 01 00:03:12 k, will include this check in the break-condition of loop and merge your beautifying and the rootfs and script to come up with a much more predsentable version tomorrow Mar 01 00:03:13 yo Mar 01 00:03:14 me Mar 01 00:03:15 llamo Mar 01 00:03:17 lieselot Mar 01 00:03:18 y Mar 01 00:03:20 tu, Mar 01 00:03:22 SOY Mar 01 00:03:23 UNA Mar 01 00:03:25 AMIGA Mar 01 00:03:27 DE Mar 01 00:03:29 Zorkman: STOP IT Mar 01 00:03:35 zorkman, Mar 01 00:03:37 ssorry Mar 01 00:03:42 some crazy girlfirend is typing Mar 01 00:03:44 Zorkman: :))) Mar 01 00:03:45 and she's drunk ;) Mar 01 00:03:48 purge Zorkman Mar 01 00:03:52 scuze me Mar 01 00:04:00 Zorkman: she knows the right channel :) Mar 01 00:04:27 who's channel op here? Mar 01 00:05:03 * mwester checks with the bot... Mar 01 00:05:12 DocScrutinizer2: don't forget to install gpio Mar 01 00:05:25 already there, no? Mar 01 00:05:50 DocScrutinizer2: not in fso-console, should be opkg installed separetely Mar 01 00:06:11 duh, in MY fso-console Mar 01 00:06:12 DocScrutinizer2: hm, i haven't checked probably Mar 01 00:06:18 :) Mar 01 00:07:01 (alsa) tomorrow Mar 01 00:07:20 mwester: could you please tell us if you tried any kernel with the latest sysfs improvements on GTA01? Mar 01 00:07:25 once again my appologies, there was a girlsnight in my place, in max half an hour i'll shove them out to a party elsewhere Mar 01 00:07:56 braggart Mar 01 00:07:57 :o Mar 01 00:10:28 PaulFertser_: my gta01's have not been powered up in over a week now. Mar 01 00:10:35 only gta02 tests this week. Mar 01 00:10:54 yeah bragging with the fact my girfriend holds a party and i'm stuck in the computer room or the toilet... :s Mar 01 00:11:54 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc03e2509a39f 10/ (framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py tests/sms.py): Mar 01 00:11:54 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add SMS properties getting and setting Mar 01 00:11:54 freesmartphone.org: This more or less completes the different property keys Mar 01 00:15:35 Zorkman: get yourself a decent locking screensaver ;) Mar 01 00:16:06 yeah, but if your only going for a piss it doesn't kick in in time :) Mar 01 00:16:11 or hide the computer; they don't like wine in the keyboard anyway! Mar 01 00:17:49 * DocScrutinizer away for staurday night fever, err boozing ;D Mar 01 00:24:19 hey, please apply my patch for #153 in shr-unstable! :) i want to be able to read the sms from mz girlfriend :( Mar 01 00:25:37 or is there another way to read messages instead of openmoko-messages? Mar 01 00:26:08 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r5271e445b327 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: ogpsd: fix typo which mangled the ephemeris data somewhat Mar 01 00:26:10 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r0838645958d5 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: ogpsd: reenable ephemeris and reorder aiding upload according to docs Mar 01 00:26:19 s/open/using open Mar 01 00:31:38 everyone, please test gps with reenabled ephemeris upload Mar 01 00:31:48 with the current framework of course ;) Mar 01 00:41:02 * DocScrutinizer2 bbl Mar 01 00:45:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd51f8287c8cc 10/libfsoframework/ (6 files in 3 dirs): testing infrastructure Mar 01 00:55:16 :) Mar 01 02:49:17 is that agps i spy!? Mar 01 02:55:44 o_O **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 01 02:59:57 2009