**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 06 02:59:57 2009 Mar 06 03:13:48 raster, 7-inch mobile tablet lcd!? Mar 06 03:19:10 Hilarious: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/03/iphone-fire-20090304-600.jpg Mar 06 03:27:21 Dave: ? Mar 06 03:27:36 7" tablet.. Mar 06 03:27:39 thats fat Mar 06 03:36:15 yeah Mar 06 03:36:23 but the screen? might be good? Mar 06 03:36:37 I don't know, it seemed a little encouraging, I'll try to find the link again Mar 06 03:36:42 hey, I liked it Mar 06 03:37:08 I'd rather have a larger phone-thing, than a tiny one you can barely hold, let alone "type" on. Mar 06 03:41:45 hey all... is there an updated wiki on using gprs with OM2008.12? Mar 06 03:49:03 eten rawr Mar 06 06:26:55 mickey|zzZZzz: is it possible $MICANR is supported on Calypso and affects DTMF detection? At least it seem to have some meaning for Enfora modems. Mar 06 07:50:25 morning Mar 06 07:53:57 yes Mar 06 07:54:06 good morning Mar 06 07:54:58 mrmoku`: did someone make an announce on the community list about the testing release ? just to gather testers ? Mar 06 07:56:01 ptitjes: hmm... did a blog on shr blog (which gets picked up by planet.om) Mar 06 08:00:39 I can not even build shr-testing, stops with "Not a valid object name 4335" bitbake fetch error, but unstable did just complete building image Mar 06 08:05:42 morning Mar 06 08:09:07 TeLLuS: make update... and you should be able to Mar 06 08:16:26 mrmoku`: Yes, work now, the delete mode Mar 06 08:17:01 TeLLuS: yeah... sorry for not pushing that one earlier :( Mar 06 08:17:35 mrmoku`: don't you think we should make an announce ? Mar 06 08:18:10 we did tell before on the ml to use unstable Mar 06 08:18:14 ptitjes: well.. I thought that blog would be like one... and then... I'm not that big writer :P Mar 06 08:18:22 :D Mar 06 08:19:18 maybe just a little post clarifying the situation (new testing; unstable goes wild) with a link the blog post would be good Mar 06 08:19:32 ptitjes: want to do it? :P Mar 06 08:20:21 Did testing pass the tests? I'm still building.. Mar 06 08:20:46 well... testing is testing because it needs to be tested :P Mar 06 08:21:08 though... I'm using it as daily phone... some tests it passed already :-) Mar 06 08:24:35 heyho Mar 06 08:24:52 hey... Mar 06 08:25:08 current EFL has some problems :P Mar 06 08:25:35 which? Mar 06 08:26:01 dos1 said something about shr-settings being broken by it... Mar 06 08:26:16 (apart from no icons on the desktop which has nothing to do with you :P Mar 06 08:26:53 < dos1> 22:24:47> mrmoku: and elementary.Frame is not working in python-elementary Mar 06 08:27:41 hm, there some bugs in python-elementary, when compiling current elementary with current python-elementary Mar 06 08:28:17 I am currently updating to current elementary Mar 06 08:28:22 :-) looks like Mar 06 08:28:28 :) Mar 06 08:32:40 I will fix this today Mar 06 08:33:57 great Mar 06 08:34:09 so we can just sit down and wait :P Mar 06 08:34:33 there are even some other fixes to bring python-elementary back to live :P Mar 06 08:42:32 mrmoku`: unfortunately I'm going to work (And there I don't have any internet connection. I do not even have a computer there...) Mar 06 08:42:43 but I'm sure you'll be brilliant :D Mar 06 08:42:54 ptitjes: don't think so... but ok will do it Mar 06 08:43:25 mrmoku`: You have my plain support!! Mar 06 08:43:36 so gtg now Mar 06 08:43:38 c u soon Mar 06 08:43:48 cu Mar 06 08:45:50 mrmoku`: btw, did you commit the bb you did for libmodulo and ophonekitd ? Mar 06 08:46:25 * spaetz updates unstable Mar 06 08:46:44 ptitjes: have them locally... want them to work (and need them to work because otherwise bitbake will bail out on anything) Mar 06 08:47:01 spaetz: you don't want that ;P Mar 06 08:47:10 mrmoku`: I may do the necessary work to patch vala in shr next days Mar 06 08:47:14 bye Mar 06 08:48:00 ptitjes: ok ping me if ready Mar 06 08:51:25 does it make sense to propose minor GUI improvements to the phone apps or are they going to be rewritten? :-) Mar 06 08:54:06 for GSoC? Mar 06 08:56:30 whenever I peek in, I see the line "rewrite in vala" for all kinds of projects :) Mar 06 08:56:37 framworkd ophonekitd Mar 06 08:56:51 and someone said a rewrite of a lightweight phoneapps Mar 06 08:57:08 can't remember who Mar 06 08:58:05 mrmoku`: do you agree that we can delete [shr-overlay.git] / openembedded / packages / gtk-webcore Mar 06 08:58:16 it only contains an old .bb of midori Mar 06 08:58:38 and we are useing OE midori Mar 06 08:58:58 if you agree, I would kill it off Mar 06 08:59:35 spaetz: you mean a rewrite of the shr phone apps in vala? Mar 06 09:00:35 I am not going to do it, but wasn't it Ainulindale who referred to it? Mar 06 09:00:41 anyway, I am probably mistaken Mar 06 09:02:22 ok Mar 06 09:05:26 ok, I am just going to remove gtk-webcore/midori from shr-overlay. We'll notice if somebody still uses it. It only contains 0.1.0 while we have 0.1.2 Mar 06 09:11:38 also we have bootchart-lite in shr-overlay and upstream OE Mar 06 09:11:52 with the only difference that we have SRCREV = 4 Mar 06 09:11:58 in our .bb file Mar 06 09:12:17 * spaetz thinks it should be save to remove that folder too Mar 06 09:12:22 safe Mar 06 09:14:11 spaetz: kill them all :P Mar 06 09:14:17 :) Mar 06 09:14:48 rewriting the efl backend in vala lacks efl bindings in vala Mar 06 09:15:10 I don't know vala, so I don't really care :) Mar 06 09:15:21 but then I don't really know C anymore as well... Mar 06 09:15:26 me neither (yet) :-) Mar 06 09:15:29 (vala) Mar 06 09:16:16 but I admit that the phone apps wouldn't be that lightweight and useful in python :) Mar 06 09:16:18 about midori could we update it to 0.1.4 instead? Mar 06 09:16:33 TeLLuS: tell OE :) Mar 06 09:16:54 * mrmoku` is proud of spaetz answering correctly :P Mar 06 09:17:02 mrmoku`: do we follow fso/milestone5.5 for unstable already? Mar 06 09:17:29 spaetz: no... I was looking into the Makefile yesterday but did not finish it Mar 06 09:17:32 TeLLuS: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi?url=openembedded/tree/packages/gtk-webcore Mar 06 09:17:36 built a dirty unstable instead ;P Mar 06 09:17:40 they only provide 0.1.2 Mar 06 09:17:48 mrmoku`: ahh, ok :) Mar 06 09:38:05 TeLLuS: seriously, I'd file an OE ticket, requesting a version bump for branches fso/milestone5.5 (and probbaly fso/milestone5) Mar 06 09:38:19 we would then pick it up Mar 06 09:39:07 we should not add new stuff to the overlay... remove stuff instead :-) Mar 06 09:41:45 spaetz: ok, hopefully they know what to bump when I tell that.. Mar 06 09:48:17 * spaetz just noticed we include python-wifi in 2 folders in our overlay Mar 06 09:48:23 removing one of them now Mar 06 09:51:23 * mrmoku` hopes spaetz removes the correct one :P Mar 06 09:55:49 they were identical .bb files Mar 06 09:56:01 so it should matter, theoretically, should it? Mar 06 09:56:32 I removed python-wifi/*.bb and left python/python-wifi/*.bb as all the python packages seem to be in there Mar 06 09:56:48 should NOT matter, I meant Mar 06 10:15:19 spaetz: yeah... so either is correct :-) Mar 06 12:14:59 Hello! Short question: Anyone else having problems with the new efl release on shr-unstable? my desktop icons disappeared Mar 06 12:27:26 devilshawk: yep... it is not a good efl version :( Mar 06 12:28:15 hmm, any tips on how to remove the front cover without a guitar pick? ;) Mar 06 12:28:49 the six clips on the sides were easy but the one at top seems to require the right tool Mar 06 12:30:03 mrmoku`: any fix known? Mar 06 12:31:35 devilshawk: not yet Mar 06 12:32:21 mrmoku`: ok, will just have to ssh in and start the contacts app Mar 06 13:30:52 mrmoku`: we should have a status page on trac Mar 06 13:31:09 where we state, "yes, desktop icons are gone, nothing we can do about" Mar 06 13:31:12 :) Mar 06 13:34:42 spaetz: would save some work... with lots of breakages ahead of us :P Mar 06 13:35:55 breakage breakage breakage! Mar 06 13:36:19 I guess so, yep Mar 06 13:36:35 well, that's what you get when you are living on the edge Mar 06 13:41:35 the life of a mrmoku :p Mar 06 13:42:19 this is what keeps me young and fresh - and in no way frightend of your bats Dave :P Mar 06 13:59:50 :p Mar 06 14:00:04 Oh, we'll see about that, Mr. Moku... we'll see... ¬_¬ Mar 06 14:00:42 Joerg, you around in any form? Mar 06 14:01:16 Mrmoku, I'm about to perform surgery on another phone! Mar 06 14:01:19 :D Mar 06 14:01:37 partially Mar 06 14:01:42 :) Mar 06 14:02:01 Dave: going to be unfaithful.. he? Mar 06 14:02:08 Dave: you're never allone Mar 06 14:02:27 ;) Mar 06 14:02:56 Joerg, either I'm so good at breaking things... or I'm so very skilled at discovering/uncovering design flaws... Mar 06 14:03:04 or maybe some weird combination of both -_- Mar 06 14:03:20 hmm, probably Mar 06 14:03:24 I mean, it's not like the Hand of Dave... everything I touch breaks... :P Mar 06 14:03:32 Dave: What will you break today ( tm )? :P Mar 06 14:03:35 but anything I open and use for a while... Mar 06 14:03:48 Beni, fuck you... what do you think I am, Mr. Microsoft? :P Mar 06 14:03:59 Btw, that should be their slogan :D Mar 06 14:04:16 wazzup?? Mar 06 14:04:17 Dave: hehe :P Mar 06 14:05:10 mhhh... have you tried the alarm yet? it works but no audible... muted Mar 06 14:05:31 * mrmoku` put up the barbequeue and is waiting for Dave's bats :P Mar 06 14:06:01 * mrmoku` was always dreaming of a muted alarm clock ;D Mar 06 14:06:11 lol :D Mar 06 14:06:19 can it be that the package index is again outdated? Mar 06 14:06:19 all of Dave's bats moved to me ;-) Mar 06 14:06:33 trying to upgrade unstable and a bunch of packages fails to download Mar 06 14:06:36 DocScrutinizer: well... send me some... I'm hungry :P Mar 06 14:06:48 spaetz: building right now... Mar 06 14:07:16 mrmoku`: do u know where I'd configure the audio file for the alarm? Mar 06 14:07:20 updated EFL... though the changes do not look like fixing the icons... but you never know Mar 06 14:07:23 mrmoku, an alsa alarmclock sounds like failure :P Mar 06 14:07:40 oh whoops, sorry, didn't wake you... your statefiles were wrong! Mar 06 14:07:41 mrmoku`: ahh, that would explain it Mar 06 14:07:56 a21_work: no, sorry... looked it up in the source but forgot :( Mar 06 14:08:14 packages are 3939 while it tries to download r39379 Mar 06 14:08:21 39392 Mar 06 14:08:30 mrmoku`: they moved to me because they know I never gonna do that. I love them, Dave only holds them for an army Mar 06 14:08:49 cool :) so it's a feature? mute alarm? ;) Mar 06 14:09:16 by desing Mar 06 14:09:25 :] Mar 06 14:09:45 a21_work: aplay %s/sounds/phone.wav is what its doing... Mar 06 14:09:56 so I guess phone.wav is quite hardcoded ;) Mar 06 14:10:00 which is pretty hacky anyway Mar 06 14:10:18 DocScrutinizer: well... me neither... just wanted to scare him :-) Mar 06 14:10:21 * mrmoku` loves animals Mar 06 14:10:30 ok, so I should put a phone.wav and it will work fine? Mar 06 14:10:50 well there should be a phone.wav somewhere... Mar 06 14:11:18 that somewhre is /usr/share/elementary-alarm/sounds/phone.wav Mar 06 14:11:33 or elementary_alarm (depends on the svn revision you have) Mar 06 14:11:44 there is a /usr/share/elementary-alarm/sounds/phone.wav Mar 06 14:12:15 a21 symlink elementary_alarm directory, it might look for that Mar 06 14:12:50 was changed some time ago in the enlightenment svn Mar 06 14:12:53 ln -s _what_ _where_ ?please? Mar 06 14:13:02 hehe Mar 06 14:13:32 ln -a /usr/share/elementary-alarm /usr/share/elementary_alarm Mar 06 14:13:38 err, ln -s Mar 06 14:13:41 tnx ^_^' Mar 06 14:15:04 oops... I've allready that dir :S Mar 06 14:15:24 * Dave goes on a mission Mar 06 14:15:32 Ainulindale: what would be the way to not break the repo while building? Mar 06 14:15:41 copy it and rsync changes when building finished? Mar 06 14:16:19 * spaetz agrees, it would be nice to keep old packages around until we updated the package index Mar 06 14:16:27 it's a broken s-link :: /usr/share/elementary_alarm -> ./usr/share/elementary-alarm Mar 06 14:17:07 why did you symlink to *./usr/share/elementary-alarm*? Mar 06 14:17:18 and not /usr/share/... Mar 06 14:17:33 spaetz: it's so by design Mar 06 14:17:37 ahh, k Mar 06 14:17:47 I've not done a thing yet! Mar 06 14:18:20 please can you check your fs tree to compare? Mar 06 14:18:30 I think our tree includes a patch to create that symlink (should not be needed anymore for current unstable) Mar 06 14:19:25 mh, ...I'm using latest shr-testing Mar 06 14:19:35 3/Mar Mar 06 14:19:42 how is it? :P Mar 06 14:19:50 unstable? Mar 06 14:19:54 I only have /usr/share/elementary-alarm/... Mar 06 14:20:06 in current unstable Mar 06 14:20:20 ah ok Mar 06 14:20:21 man, my alarm app is going to be sooooooooooo much cooler Mar 06 14:20:25 :P Mar 06 14:20:44 Dave: looking forward. Is it going to be muted too? :) Mar 06 14:20:56 NO Mar 06 14:21:04 Dave: a thing... I do not understand if the alarm sets the bios to poweron FR if powered off Mar 06 14:21:19 sense that makes not Mar 06 14:22:20 this night my FR powered on at the same time of a previous but disabled alarm Mar 06 14:22:21 a21_work: PMU issues a IRQ and also should power up Mar 06 14:22:35 DISABLED? Mar 06 14:22:38 ~_~ Mar 06 14:22:48 yes, disabled :) Mar 06 14:22:49 Freerunner likes to disobey :p Mar 06 14:23:00 It has a mind of its own! Mar 06 14:23:05 hmm PMU settings not reset to void Mar 06 14:23:06 (Not that it's a very intelligent one) :p Mar 06 14:23:08 yeah, it's a FREErunner Mar 06 14:23:12 hahaha Mar 06 14:23:23 more like annoyancerunner :P Mar 06 14:23:23 cya Mar 06 14:23:33 later joerg; thanks again :) Mar 06 14:23:34 lol Mar 06 14:23:53 Dave: cya. np. report! Mar 06 14:24:09 Yes sir! Mar 06 14:25:43 dave, are you going to implement a table for a list of scheduled alarms? :P :P :P pleeeease Mar 06 14:25:58 Wow Mar 06 14:26:02 That'd be useful! Mar 06 14:26:11 a lot imho Mar 06 14:27:46 WHY HAS NOONE DONE THIS!? Mar 06 14:28:35 dunno... I'd do that if only I've any spare time... but not in this life, I presume :S Mar 06 14:28:47 I don't... Mar 06 14:28:55 but I have time to make others do it for me! :D Mar 06 14:29:08 and my skills at that are relatively proficient ;) Mar 06 14:29:13 * Dave grabs his whip Mar 06 14:29:22 ah fine then :) Mar 06 14:29:23 I can be very persuasive :D Mar 06 14:29:25 * mrmoku hides Mar 06 14:29:29 MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA Mar 06 14:29:31 I see ;) Mar 06 14:29:50 mmh, shr seems to be still building Mar 06 14:30:12 spaetz: finished... doing the index now :-) Mar 06 14:30:21 YAY! :-) Mar 06 14:30:53 Now begins the eons of debugging! Mar 06 14:31:33 anyway... who is the actual developer of the alarm tool in shr? Mar 06 14:31:41 raster Mar 06 14:31:44 hahahaha, just be thankful it wasn't written in Java :D Mar 06 14:31:50 I guess it was a proof of concept by raster Mar 06 14:31:54 Indeed Mar 06 14:32:02 ah ok Mar 06 14:32:06 It wasn't actually meant to be useful or anything :P Mar 06 14:32:11 Though raster's cool :) Mar 06 14:32:36 Dave: that is independent of his derived works :) Mar 06 14:32:46 Indeedy! Mar 06 14:34:49 Oh man, I am totally ignoring half my work today and working on this new alarm app! Mar 06 14:34:52 :D Mar 06 14:37:07 dave, have you set an alarm for the release date of your tool yet? Mar 06 14:37:10 ;) Mar 06 14:37:38 hahaha Mar 06 14:37:40 if only :P Mar 06 14:37:58 I have to admit though, that sounds like a bad idea, a21... Mar 06 14:38:15 since I could just claim I've been hitting the [Snooze] for several weeks :P Mar 06 14:38:26 loool Mar 06 14:38:40 upgraded unstable, all desktop icons gone. I can confirm that... Mar 06 14:38:53 I'd like to be your betatester, if you need Mar 06 14:39:02 :P Mar 06 14:42:58 mmmh... what about an accelerometer driven snooze? :D (f*ck that alarm! ...crash) Mar 06 14:45:43 no, really... it could be nice if at 6:30AM I could snooze my FR by a flip/roll movement Mar 06 14:45:46 ;) Mar 06 14:47:35 wouldn't it, Dave ? Mar 06 14:50:30 need to bug morphis, current python-elementary doesn't load Mar 06 14:51:08 spaetz: he said that he is updating to current efl and will fix some bugs today Mar 06 14:51:09 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r975a2177e0db 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Mar 06 14:51:09 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: query our network database if the provider's name is not known. This can happen for new providers and Mar 06 14:51:09 freesmartphone.org: old modems (guess what... :). Fixes FSO #355 and OM #2241. Mar 06 14:51:09 freesmartphone.org: Fixed also some bugs in querying the network database introduced by the last format revamp. Mar 06 14:51:18 ahh, cool Mar 06 14:51:45 I get errors when importing elementary: ImportError: cannot import name Frame Mar 06 14:51:56 so Dave, what are you writing this in? Mar 06 14:52:13 is vala the new way forward for moko apps or python? Mar 06 14:57:39 mrmoku: how about taking vala into our feed, it seems to become more and more important Mar 06 14:57:51 and I like to do development on the FR itself Mar 06 14:58:04 what's your opinion? Mar 06 14:58:21 spaetz: if you know what packages are needed... is it just 'vala'? Mar 06 14:59:09 looks like... will add it then.... building it for unstable now Mar 06 14:59:22 is vala the new tool to use? Mar 06 14:59:35 the new tool to use+ Mar 06 14:59:43 toggles_w: guess it depends on what you want to do :-) Mar 06 14:59:54 write a moko app ;-) Mar 06 15:00:05 toggles_w: moko app? i prefer portability ,) Mar 06 15:00:06 depends on what kind of moko app ;) Mar 06 15:00:12 mickeyl, ping Mar 06 15:00:38 Dave: alarm app is a demo as well as a functioning alarm app Mar 06 15:00:50 problem right now is the rtc wake code doesnt seem to work on a gta02 Mar 06 15:01:25 rtcwake.c works here Mar 06 15:01:42 just vala Mar 06 15:01:46 the code was based on that Mar 06 15:01:51 anyway Mar 06 15:01:53 sudharsh: yo? Mar 06 15:01:57 i never got to really testing it Mar 06 15:02:05 enough kernel troubles at the time Mar 06 15:02:32 raster: I think it works... trying now Mar 06 15:02:32 but other than that in wakerd - which is a generic "wake up and do stuff" at-like daemon for a users session Mar 06 15:02:36 it should work Mar 06 15:02:40 simple - but should work Mar 06 15:02:52 (just 1 alarm, just set the time, and it goes off playing a fixed sound) Mar 06 15:03:07 after i wrote that fso added similar functionality Mar 06 15:03:13 raster: where's wakerd? Mar 06 15:03:15 mickeyl, plans for GSoC.. if yes, I would love to mentor a project. (so atleast one core dev can focus on what he is doing) Mar 06 15:03:24 same place the alarm code is Mar 06 15:03:28 yep wakerd works fine on my gta02 Mar 06 15:03:55 spaetz: did the icons come back? Mar 06 15:03:59 sudharsh: no Openmoko, but we're trying to get a joint venture FSO/SHR going. See here: http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/GSoC_Ideas Mar 06 15:04:01 nope Mar 06 15:04:11 desktop is still just a blank background Mar 06 15:04:19 well,d efault background image, rather Mar 06 15:04:21 mrmoku: wakes from suspend? Mar 06 15:04:26 yep Mar 06 15:04:29 cool Mar 06 15:04:41 then - the alarm app should be 100% functional Mar 06 15:04:48 as i said Mar 06 15:04:50 1 alarm only Mar 06 15:04:58 well, once all the paths are pointing to where the sound files are :-) Mar 06 15:05:00 apart from the fact that int the *old* version in SHR the path to the sound file is broken Mar 06 15:05:00 requires wakerd running Mar 06 15:05:05 1 sound only Mar 06 15:05:06 mickeyl, cool...checked.. but just want to let you know you have someone as reserve Mar 06 15:05:14 spaetz: i fixed that in svn a while back Mar 06 15:05:24 I know, I reportd the bug :-) Mar 06 15:05:36 sudharsh: yeah, you're most welcome. i'm not sure whether google will accept us, but if so, you're on board Mar 06 15:05:36 but it's still an older version in shr-testing, I think Mar 06 15:05:36 raster: ahh... and on X restart you will have two wakerd processes... don't know what consequences that has Mar 06 15:05:51 could be bad Mar 06 15:06:05 wakerd needs you to manually shut it down on a x session restart Mar 06 15:07:15 or better wakerd should kill itself if another process is running Mar 06 15:07:39 that would imply it finds itself Mar 06 15:07:43 and that it is still running Mar 06 15:07:44 etc. Mar 06 15:07:48 and KNOWS the pid of the other proc Mar 06 15:07:54 ie all that could would need to be added Mar 06 15:07:56 mickeyl, great thanks :D... Mar 06 15:08:02 i simply didnt as some time fso was going to do that job Mar 06 15:08:56 mrmoku: do you know how the illume deskop can be started from command line? Mar 06 15:09:02 perhaps I get some debug output Mar 06 15:09:25 just enlightenment_start doesn't work if X (&e) is already running Mar 06 15:09:53 u want to restart e? Mar 06 15:10:08 raster: any clue why in current SVN we are missing our desktop with starter icons? Mar 06 15:10:38 it just shows the top shelf and the default ackground image Mar 06 15:10:38 dunno Mar 06 15:10:40 works for me Mar 06 15:10:51 so I want to get some debug log Mar 06 15:10:59 raster: for me too... until yesterday ;) Mar 06 15:11:09 works for me today Mar 06 15:11:12 but Mar 06 15:11:14 have tyo go Mar 06 15:11:14 that's why I want to restart e from command line Mar 06 15:11:20 ok, bye Mar 06 15:11:21 up in 5hrs... Mar 06 15:11:27 flying time Mar 06 15:11:38 bye raster Mar 06 15:11:40 spaetz: killall -HUP enlightenment Mar 06 15:11:42 will restart e Mar 06 15:11:43 have a nice presentation then :-) Mar 06 15:11:48 but u wotn get its stdout Mar 06 15:11:50 thanks, will try Mar 06 15:11:51 it just restarts itself Mar 06 15:11:55 ok Mar 06 15:11:59 need to snooz! Mar 06 15:12:02 adios! Mar 06 15:12:53 raster: ok found http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/st/waker/src/bin/waker_main.c -- but it seems to want ecore ecore-file edbus :( Mar 06 15:13:13 gone Mar 06 15:18:44 spaetz: opkg install vala :-) Mar 06 15:18:51 mrmoku: would have been too easy: calling valac results in: error: Failed to execute child process "pkg-config" (No such file or directory) Mar 06 15:18:57 (just tried) :-) Mar 06 15:19:06 hehe Mar 06 15:19:11 so it seems to depend on a bunch of other stuff (like pkg-config) Mar 06 15:19:27 but thanks for trying Mar 06 15:19:48 no problem :-) Mar 06 15:45:29 which is the player used by shr to read e .sid file? Mar 06 15:54:43 I guess gstreamer Mar 06 15:54:51 pretty sure, actually Mar 06 16:16:35 someone here from shr? Mar 06 16:17:11 is /etc/opkg/armv4-feed.conf intentional in shr-testing? cause the feed specified there is non-existing. Mar 06 16:17:27 safe to delete Mar 06 16:17:40 kk Mar 06 16:17:48 nobody has really found out yet how it's created Mar 06 16:17:54 wtf? O.O Mar 06 16:17:56 (well nobody really bothered to look hard) Mar 06 16:18:02 lol **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 06 16:41:29 2009 Mar 06 16:48:41 where can i find the shr's desktop files? Mar 06 16:49:17 tomboy64: /usr/share/applications Mar 06 16:49:23 ahh, thanky Mar 06 17:27:29 hah! Mar 06 17:27:38 someone beat me by one hour! Mar 06 17:27:39 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2430332 Mar 06 17:27:51 got the very same error here :((( Mar 06 17:44:04 anyone recently got vagalume to work without segfault? Mar 06 18:00:35 spaetz: Did you not remove this dir? :) Maybe need to update a DEPENDS.. ERROR: '['/home/johan/dev/openmoko/shr-testing/shr/openembedded/packages/mofi/mofi_0.02.bb']' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'python-wifi' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables Mar 06 18:00:42 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r0d1ce53f338e 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: Mar 06 18:00:42 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Decode userdata even if we encounter errors Mar 06 18:00:42 freesmartphone.org: This will retry to decode UCS-2 userdata with the replace policy if Mar 06 18:00:42 freesmartphone.org: decoding with strict didn't work. The errors property will still have Mar 06 18:00:44 freesmartphone.org: "Userdata corrupt" set, but the userdata will actually contain whatever Mar 06 18:00:46 freesmartphone.org: we were able to decode. Problematic characters are replaced by the Mar 06 18:00:48 freesmartphone.org: unicode replace character (\ufffd). Fixes FSO #291. Mar 06 18:03:36 anyone know why the sms app is busted on lastest unstable? known issue? Mar 06 18:14:51 hi Mar 06 18:16:36 toggles_w crashing when pushing NEW ? :) Mar 06 18:25:55 von_fritz: actually not crashing, but wont let me relpy or show a message Mar 06 18:27:12 toggles_w: yep... because its crashing ;) Mar 06 18:27:19 (very known issue) Mar 06 18:37:33 the funny thing is... without icons e does not consume CPU :P Mar 06 18:47:02 alphaone: why not ack automatically? After all, frameworkd received the receipt, when can it be not enough? Mar 06 18:47:47 PaulFertser: Well, you could want to indicate that SMS storage is full Mar 06 18:48:06 Or you could selectively Nack SMS from people. Mar 06 18:48:15 So they don't know you received them yet Mar 06 18:49:38 alphaone: that's about receiving the normal messages, but probably receipts about your own sent messages are different? Mar 06 18:50:19 PaulFertser: Right Mar 06 18:50:39 So just Ack +CDS regardless? Mar 06 18:52:33 alphaone: it seems logical to me, probably i still miss something Mar 06 18:58:20 mrmoku: thanks, i shall revert Mar 06 19:01:54 PaulFertser: Yeah, makes sense to me. Mar 06 19:02:03 gst-launch filesrc location=Arkanoid_PSID.sid ! siddec tune=2 ! alsasink Mar 06 19:02:09 really better Mar 06 19:02:13 toggles_w: or solve the problem :P Mar 06 19:17:04 mrmoku: ;-) Mar 06 19:19:31 mrmoku: have you managed to get some kind of e log? Mar 06 19:19:54 no clue what's up with those desktop icons Mar 06 19:25:06 Settaggi Mar 06 19:25:08 hmm Mar 06 19:25:20 who's working on that shr-settings translation? (scap) Mar 06 19:25:29 dos1: are you the shr-settings perp? Mar 06 19:25:40 perp? Mar 06 19:25:48 perpetrator Mar 06 19:25:48 (don't know meaning of that word :x) Mar 06 19:25:52 the man in charge? Mar 06 19:26:23 toggles_w: yes, i am :D Mar 06 19:26:33 dos1, you do an awesome job ;] Mar 06 19:26:46 any reason why you can't change sms tone? or you just havent got around to it? Mar 06 19:26:56 Tasn: thanks :) Mar 06 19:27:16 toggles_w: I firstly want to implement support for gstreamer options Mar 06 19:28:08 ok, i might look at it tonight then, clone the ring tone py file Mar 06 19:28:38 toggles_w: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/shr_settings_modules/shr_currentprofile.py Mar 06 19:28:52 dos1: yeah, i was looking in there, thanks Mar 06 19:29:11 it should be one change in one if, and very few lines to add (without gstreamer options support) Mar 06 19:29:45 but i didn't want to have that turned on because of not being able to set default Arkanoid ringtone again via gui ;) Mar 06 19:30:45 "Si"? isn't that italian on screens? ;) Mar 06 19:31:35 dictionary says that it is :D Mar 06 19:35:12 dos1: ahh, ok, ill leave it be then Mar 06 19:39:24 is alarm supposed to work in new testing? Mar 06 19:39:46 sakkara: it should Mar 06 19:39:52 the new settings are great, very nice look =) Mar 06 19:40:13 spaetz: i did get edje warnings that i do not get on testing but i reverted so can not help you anymore Mar 06 19:40:20 dos1: hm, it wakes up from suspend and shows alarm window but does not ring... Mar 06 19:40:37 sakkara: are new icons in shr-settings in shr-unstable? Mar 06 19:40:48 s/unstable/testing/ Mar 06 19:40:48 dos1 meant: sakkara: are new icons in shr-settings in shr-testing? Mar 06 19:40:49 :x Mar 06 19:40:58 sakkara: ls /usr/share/elementary* Mar 06 19:41:03 dos1: yes =) Mar 06 19:41:24 sakkara: hmm... i thought it shouldn't be right now :x Mar 06 19:41:24 looks nice Mar 06 19:41:46 opkg upgraded a few minutes ago, and it upgraded just settings Mar 06 19:42:04 and only icons afaik Mar 06 19:42:37 sakkara: enter to "Services" menu - have you "start | restart | stop" buttons? Mar 06 19:43:05 dos1: yes, i have Mar 06 19:43:23 after clicking or without? Mar 06 19:44:06 services are listed and for every service 3 buttons Mar 06 19:44:12 ok Mar 06 19:44:44 so mine patches are in, but spaetz patches not Mar 06 19:45:07 any idea on alarm problem? Mar 06 19:45:23 sakkara: ls /usr/share/elementary* Mar 06 19:46:22 ls: /usr/share/elementary_alarm: No such file or directory Mar 06 19:46:22 /usr/share/elementary: Mar 06 19:46:22 images objects themes Mar 06 19:46:22 /usr/share/elementary-alarm: Mar 06 19:46:22 sounds Mar 06 19:46:34 mrmoku: why in shr-testing there is new shr-settings? you forgot to push something to shr-overlay? ;) Mar 06 19:46:40 DocScrutinizer, I'm so lame, I haven't managed to get that work yet, though the dtmf remote app is starting to take shape ;] Mar 06 19:46:56 sakkara: hmm... elementary_alarm Mar 06 19:47:08 where is it gone?^^ Mar 06 19:47:26 sakkara: rm /usr/share/elementary_alarm; ln -s /usr/share/elementary-alarm /usr/share/elementary_alarm Mar 06 19:47:31 sakkara: corrupted symlink ;) Mar 06 19:47:43 ok, thank you =) Mar 06 19:48:06 sakkara: (and that was me who broke that symlink :D) Mar 06 19:48:16 :-) Mar 06 19:49:08 at least i will get to work on right time monday morning now :-) Mar 06 19:50:33 yeah, ring ring! Mar 06 19:50:43 dos1: caught me ;) Mar 06 19:51:07 mrmoku: sry, my bad :D Mar 06 19:51:51 mrmoku: yesterday i was wondering too, where in shr-overlay is new EFLSRC_REV placed ;) Mar 06 19:53:21 dos1: well... which one :P Mar 06 19:53:44 and then... building does not work anyway... have to fiddle by hand Mar 06 19:53:57 sakkara: broken symlink should be fixed now in shr-overlay :) Mar 06 19:54:03 is there a plan to make a wifi manager in shr-settings? Mar 06 19:54:13 sakkara: yes, there is a plan Mar 06 19:54:18 dos1: good =) Mar 06 19:54:27 but right now that is only a plan :( Mar 06 19:54:37 oh cool, looking forward to it, i dont like mofi anymore Mar 06 19:55:08 dos1: at least, there IS a plan =) Mar 06 19:55:26 fso ms6 will have some network managing parts integrated Mar 06 19:55:51 when it comes to fso git repo, shr-settings should then have it after a short time :) Mar 06 19:56:39 cool Mar 06 19:57:23 <|Marco|> uh.. I just ran a opkg upgrade, now all the desktop icon's are gone, the files are where they should be (/usr/share/applications) but none are on the desktop, what's changed ? Mar 06 19:57:43 |Marco|: shr-unstable is now what it should be Mar 06 19:57:49 |Marco|: it's unstable :D Mar 06 19:57:56 <|Marco|> crap :P Mar 06 20:01:21 who's working on that shr-settings translation? (scap) here i' am :) Mar 06 20:01:33 von_fritz: have you finished? Mar 06 20:02:45 well yes, but i d'ont like the use of long words, little space Mar 06 20:03:22 Conettività for exemple Mar 06 20:03:30 hehe Mar 06 20:03:42 * dos1 had to do the same with polish translation :) Mar 06 20:03:54 after you finish it, please send it to me - i'll commit it ;) Mar 06 20:04:35 ok, on email ? Mar 06 20:05:47 are you asking for address? :D Mar 06 20:05:50 seba.dos1@gmail.com Mar 06 20:06:03 ok Mar 06 20:15:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rccd9b34456e0 10/framework/config.py: config: dump milliseconds also to find out where our time gets spent Mar 06 20:15:24 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r7fcaf23aab35 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/modem.py: Mar 06 20:15:24 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] fix power control (only significant when using fso-abyss, otherwise gsm0710muxd will Mar 06 20:15:24 freesmartphone.org: handle that) Mar 06 20:15:25 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9532f5e5c3f7 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/cinterion_mc75/modem.py: Mar 06 20:15:28 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [CINTERION MC75] add power control and request paths from fso-abyss Mar 06 20:15:30 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: On mc75, we always use fso-abyss. There's no configuration option. Mar 06 20:21:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5131b67a20c8 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Mar 06 20:21:46 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: DeviceGetInfo: According to GSM 07.07, it's legal to not answer quoting the prefixes for Mar 06 20:21:47 freesmartphone.org: these four informational requests, hence we allow all prefixes. Mar 06 20:21:47 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Yes, this opens a slight possibility of unsolicited creeping unnoticed into. Mar 06 20:21:50 freesmartphone.org: To fix this properly, we would need to enhance the prefixmap to also specify Mar 06 20:21:52 freesmartphone.org: something like: [ "+CGMR", "+CGMM", "+CGMI", "+CGSN", "plaintext" ], with "plaintext" being Mar 06 20:21:55 freesmartphone.org: everything else that does _not_ look like a response. Mar 06 20:24:28 hi Mar 06 20:26:10 anyone got fennec successfully installed on testing? Mar 06 20:51:29 <|Marco|> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/07b9c79f205b9e10f61675a0b94f289b.png <-- where did my icon's go ? Mar 06 20:53:11 they wanted a cup of tea so went to the bar Mar 06 20:53:15 :) Mar 06 20:53:27 ls /usr/share/applications Mar 06 20:53:36 <|Marco|> yeah, they are there Mar 06 20:53:49 <|Marco|> all the *.desktop files are there Mar 06 20:53:54 hmm Mar 06 20:54:13 what profile are you using in illume? Mar 06 20:54:32 <|Marco|> illume-shr I belive Mar 06 20:55:11 admiral0, |Marco|: it's a known bug with new EFLSRC_REV Mar 06 20:55:19 :P Mar 06 20:56:01 dos1. EFLSRC_WHAT? Mar 06 20:56:19 admiral0: new version of E libraries... Mar 06 20:56:32 <|Marco|> argh Mar 06 20:56:39 admiral0: shr-unstable is now unstable, as it should be :D Mar 06 20:56:42 use shr-testing Mar 06 20:56:49 which is now what shr-unstable was few days ago Mar 06 20:57:11 aaah, it must because of that that my elementary is fucked up :) Mar 06 20:57:26 naa i prefer remaining unstable Mar 06 20:57:28 :) Mar 06 21:01:53 dos1: how unstable is unstable Mar 06 21:01:54 anyone know of a good vala ide? valide is no go on ubu 9.04 amd64.. Mar 06 21:01:59 om200* unstable? Mar 06 21:02:13 bumbl: shr-unstable is now unstable :P Mar 06 21:02:26 everything is relative Mar 06 21:02:32 bumbl: with new, unstable EFL ;) Mar 06 21:02:41 i think now it's more unstable than om2008.x :D Mar 06 21:02:44 * bumbl would not call kde-svn unstable but others won't Mar 06 21:02:48 toggles_w : dunno, eclipse is good for C Mar 06 21:03:04 * admiral0 agrees with bumbl Mar 06 21:03:06 more ... unstable .. om2008.x ... impossible :p Mar 06 21:03:18 bumbl: yes, the same as i... previous shr-unstable was really stable Mar 06 21:03:18 admiral0: thanks Mar 06 21:03:19 s/won't/would/ Mar 06 21:03:30 bumbl: now shr-unstable is really unstable, due to new EFL :D Mar 06 21:03:38 yeah Mar 06 21:04:05 segfaults on writing new SMS, clicking on elementary entry, blank desktop... Mar 06 21:04:08 shouldn't be though as e17 on the desktop is quite stable everytime i upgrade it Mar 06 21:04:20 dos1 my enlightenment install is fucked up even on the dosktop computer :( Mar 06 21:04:23 bumbl: but it is ;) Mar 06 21:04:37 i trust you Mar 06 21:06:52 bumbl: you need ssh to make phonecalls ;) Mar 06 21:08:15 After two years of development of Om and their phones... "you need ssh to make phonecalls" sigh... :( Mar 06 21:08:48 hey, it's an unstable Mar 06 21:09:50 mwester: but from shr-unstable (or shr-experimental, if there will be such), you can expect that sometimes GUI can not work :P Mar 06 21:10:16 mwester: so that's normal i think... if you aren't developer or you don't know how to fix some problems, use testing or stable Mar 06 21:10:17 :-D Hope is the last thing to die... Mar 06 21:10:34 ;) Mar 06 21:11:12 or course that "you" was in general ;) Mar 06 21:35:42 dos1 you have mail ;) Mar 06 21:36:14 dos1: Do you by any chance remember the way to get icons back in SHR-unstable? Mar 06 21:37:22 dos1: i remember seeing something about some menu file... Mar 06 21:37:59 PaulFertser: icons? no. you can change to sliders, which work Mar 06 21:38:27 dos1: but what about that missing menu file or smth? Mar 06 21:39:53 PaulFertser: i haven't seen anything about missing menu file Mar 06 21:40:06 only about moving menu file in shr-testing to avoid E CPU usage Mar 06 21:41:09 dos1: but E works for upstream (no icons missing), so it's probably a problem with SHR configs/packaging, no? Mar 06 21:41:43 PaulFertser: mrmoku said, that few (2 or 3) days before that build icons was there, so it can be upstream problem Mar 06 21:41:47 with illume Mar 06 21:42:00 von_fritz: run shr-settings with that command: Mar 06 21:42:08 moo Mar 06 21:42:09 von_fritz: ELM_ENGINE=x11-16 shr-settings Mar 06 21:42:32 von_fritz: it should be faster - if you don't care about uglyness, you can set it as default ;) Mar 06 21:42:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc43118267096 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/channel.py modems/abstract/mediator.py): ogsmd: split DeviceGetFeatures() into individual commands, since not all are always supported Mar 06 21:44:36 von_fritz: that tar.gz file isn't working for me :( Mar 06 21:45:02 dos1: btw, is there any plan to autobuild quick-and-dirty SHR packages for Debian? I think some users are not _so_ concerned with missing dependencies, stability and stuff and probably that'll be enough for them? Just some simple deb package with no real dependencies, it shouldn't be that hard, no? Mar 06 21:45:51 PaulFertser: yes, i want to have debian packages with SHR apps ;) Mar 06 21:46:13 Well, I want Fedora pacakges! :p Mar 06 21:46:45 dos1: so, what's the problem? Just strip all the dependencies and change architecture to debian style and probably it'll be good enough, don't you think so? Mar 06 21:47:23 :p Mar 06 21:47:29 PaulFertser: but why are you saying that to me? ;) i don't have access to SHR buildhost Mar 06 21:47:43 PaulFertser: I have only mine, very unofficial ;) Mar 06 21:49:32 dos1: But you're an active SHR member and you're available for questions atm. Just that ;) So, you _do_ have packages? Probably the building instructions can be incorporated in the buildhost script and SHR (and illume) will be finally available on Debian? Mar 06 21:50:22 PaulFertser: i have bitbake on http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/ Mar 06 21:50:40 (though in away that Debian zealots will find unacceptable. I consider that non-important provided that all the "dirty" packages have no influence on the other parts of the system) Mar 06 21:50:48 PaulFertser: if you can point me, how to build debian-compatible packages, i will do it ;) Mar 06 21:52:45 PaulFertser: menu file is in /etc/xdg/menu.... its there and fine Mar 06 21:52:57 (me thinks, at least it did not change...) Mar 06 21:53:12 mrmoku: i see, probably i have misunderstood something Mar 06 21:53:40 well... missing menu file will cause the same symptom :-) Mar 06 21:54:25 mrmoku /o/ Mar 06 21:55:22 * mrmoku knows how to write spec files... no idea about debian ;) Mar 06 21:57:23 * Dave installs lenny on mrmoku Mar 06 21:57:56 * mrmoku activates his selinux protection and kicks of Dave and lenny alltogether :P Mar 06 21:58:23 ¬_¬ Mar 06 21:58:30 * Dave bombards mrmoku with potatoes Mar 06 21:59:09 * dos1 bombards Dave with Freerunners Mar 06 21:59:11 * mrmoku cuts them in stripes... throws them in boiling oil... and eats them :-) Mar 06 21:59:11 * admiral0 started archlinux in bombarding mode Mar 06 21:59:16 * Dave counters with freerunners Mar 06 21:59:51 dos: C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-Combo Mar 06 22:01:00 oh wait Mar 06 22:01:08 * Dave installs winmobile on dos1 Mar 06 22:01:10 Win :p Mar 06 22:01:16 HAHAHAHA Mar 06 22:01:25 HUMILIATION Mar 06 22:01:43 hmm, someone was talking to me? :x Mar 06 22:02:10 Yes, you have been owned. Mar 06 22:02:30 XD Mar 06 22:06:19 dos1 have you windows? :) Mar 06 22:06:20 dos1: why are you so bluuuuueeee :P Mar 06 22:06:47 von_fritz: now, it was accident :D Mar 06 22:07:00 click on "x" on channel tab ;) Mar 06 22:07:14 blue? i'm so bluuuuuueeeeeee? :x Mar 06 22:07:21 hmmmm Mar 06 22:07:25 niiiiceeeee Mar 06 22:08:09 * Dave tranquilizes dos1 Mar 06 22:11:12 von_fritz: and no, i don't have windows Mar 06 22:11:27 i'm using debian Mar 06 22:12:30 dos1 debian unstable? :) Mar 06 22:12:41 :D Mar 06 22:12:42 dos7.1 unstable? :D Mar 06 22:12:42 yep Mar 06 22:12:49 but looks like firefox is ugly... Mar 06 22:13:52 and it was downloading corrupted files Mar 06 22:15:50 kinky Mar 06 22:15:57 I didn't know you were into that kind of stuff, dos1 ;p Mar 06 22:16:24 heh Mar 06 22:16:30 i'm so sleeppy now Mar 06 22:16:42 von_fritz: will commit tomorow Mar 06 22:17:03 * Dave commits dos1 Mar 06 22:17:08 ok np Mar 06 22:18:06 now i'm going to sleep :P Mar 06 22:18:09 good night Mar 06 22:18:15 night Mar 06 22:58:25 * von_fritz builds 39400 Mar 07 00:03:57 anyone here? Mar 07 00:04:25 Negative! Mar 07 00:05:30 damn. Mar 07 00:05:42 will there be anyone here tomorrow? Mar 07 00:07:11 It is likely. Mar 07 00:07:17 cool, thanks. Mar 07 00:08:15 well Dave_bot, do you remember the name of the spirit level app? Mar 07 00:08:56 What? o_O Mar 07 00:09:21 the app that shows you the orientation of the device and such using the accelerometers... Mar 07 00:10:02 and another thing, do you know what do the values reported by the accelerometer mean? Mar 07 00:10:35 the last thing I used that did that was a modified version of gta02.py :P Mar 07 00:10:55 they don't mean anything... Mar 07 00:11:03 though you interpret them :P Mar 07 00:11:27 and if you're asking from what the values read off the device means... yeah I mean, just look at how that app does it :P Mar 07 00:11:40 they're just numerical, I believe Mar 07 00:11:53 I read the wiki article Mar 07 00:12:06 good shit Mar 07 00:12:12 was it helpful on the subject? Mar 07 00:12:16 and I can't figure out if it's acceleration in meters/s^2 or whatever. Mar 07 00:12:23 Dave, yeah, though still not enough. Mar 07 00:13:32 OH Mar 07 00:13:36 I'm pretty sure it's fake Mar 07 00:13:48 at least that's what I thought Mar 07 00:13:54 Is there really a standard unit for it? Mar 07 00:14:05 not sure. Mar 07 00:14:17 I thought it was fake units (though there might exist a physical unit conversion factor) Mar 07 00:14:51 since when orienting the phone in a way that some of the axis have zero accel I get values changing from 36 to 52 Mar 07 00:15:04 if mine weren't all off, I'd check :p Mar 07 00:15:14 I remember getting ridiculous impossible values too. Mar 07 00:15:33 ;] Mar 07 00:15:36 thanks anyway. Mar 07 00:16:32 night. Mar 07 00:17:07 :D Mar 07 00:49:25 ping Dave Mar 07 00:51:59 D: Mar 07 01:02:47 Dave: !! Mar 07 01:03:32 * Dave runs Mar 07 01:04:13 * toggles uses java.util.TreeMap to find Dave Mar 07 01:04:46 Unhandled Exception Error Mar 07 01:05:09 dammit, i knew i should have dealt with that in the constructor Mar 07 01:05:17 Dave: ever use vala? Mar 07 01:05:25 s/use/used Mar 07 01:06:02 I've seen it, since it's been popular here, as of late. Mar 07 01:06:13 It's cool, but I haven't really used it, myself, no. Mar 07 01:06:45 ok, i thought you may have with your 'yay'ing for it a while back when it made the check in.. Mar 07 01:06:46 thx Mar 07 01:08:18 :p Mar 07 01:32:57 Dave, re accelerometers, email from Andy "My accelerometers aren't calibrated." on Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:55:26 +0000 (20:55 WST) Mar 07 01:33:09 gives relevant details Mar 07 01:33:42 "List for Openmoko community discussion" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 07 02:59:57 2009