**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 23 02:59:57 2009 Mar 23 07:26:32 good morning guys Mar 23 07:26:36 Ainulind1le: ping Mar 23 07:48:07 Go back to bed! Mar 23 07:48:57 no! Mar 23 07:49:00 :) Mar 23 07:56:52 morning Mar 23 08:12:39 raster: quick question Mar 23 08:13:04 I have a slider. Is it intendend behavior that no "changed" callback is fired when I do an initial value_set Mar 23 08:13:18 I would expect that it goes off Mar 23 08:14:36 Second issue: I have a toggle. Clicking on it just fires the "changed" callback, but there doesn't seem to be a "clicked" callback for it? Mar 23 08:14:55 If there was "clicked", I could make my toggles switch when you click on them Mar 23 08:16:21 spaetz: thats expected Mar 23 08:16:27 spaetz: if u SET a value from coee Mar 23 08:16:28 u set it Mar 23 08:16:31 u knwo the value Mar 23 08:16:35 it wasnt changed by the user Mar 23 08:16:45 there is no need to tell u it changed as its the value you set Mar 23 08:17:14 mmh, I update a label containing the numerical value when changing the slider Mar 23 08:17:16 as for toggle s- no - no clicked Mar 23 08:17:27 the toggle internally handles what the mechanism is for toggling it Mar 23 08:17:36 its not realluy youre job to do that in your own code Mar 23 08:17:42 then toggles are inconsistent between instances Mar 23 08:17:43 so it would be convenient if value_set also used "changed", as the vlue label would be set on the initial value too Mar 23 08:17:44 between apps etc Mar 23 08:17:50 some apps may go force them to toggle on clicks Mar 23 08:17:52 others not Mar 23 08:18:16 as for slider changed Mar 23 08:18:19 no big deal, I can manually update the label on initial setting, I just expected that "cahnged" would fire if I, well, change the value :) Mar 23 08:18:21 you are just being lazy Mar 23 08:18:26 set the label when u set the value Mar 23 08:18:30 yes, I am lazy :) Mar 23 08:18:33 the value hasnt changed as such Mar 23 08:18:36 the user didnt change it Mar 23 08:18:39 the code set it Mar 23 08:18:44 from NULL to something :) Mar 23 08:18:50 this used to happen and it was a bug Mar 23 08:19:07 but as I said, no big deal. Just wanted to confirm that it is not an oversight Mar 23 08:21:04 nup Mar 23 08:21:05 not Mar 23 08:21:07 intended behavior Mar 23 08:21:14 as actually it creates problems the other way around Mar 23 08:21:16 trust me Mar 23 08:21:17 :) Mar 23 08:21:25 ok, I'll believe you :) Mar 23 08:22:07 my god theres a lot of mem leaks in efreety Mar 23 08:22:11 how many do i have to find and kill Mar 23 08:22:18 why dont people damn well write their code properly Mar 23 08:22:20 grrrr Mar 23 08:23:02 * spaetz secretly smiles and continues to amateurishly hack away at vala-elementary Mar 23 08:24:27 its not even tricky stuff Mar 23 08:24:30 simple thigns like Mar 23 08:24:36 u have a list of strdup'd strings Mar 23 08:24:40 dont just free the list Mar 23 08:24:47 and not freeing them? outch Mar 23 08:24:49 walk the list and free the strings in it! Mar 23 08:24:51 yes Mar 23 08:24:52 simply not Mar 23 08:25:00 simply just having incorrect free code Mar 23 08:25:15 for every "alloc" bit of code i do Mar 23 08:25:20 i have a "free" bit somewhere else Mar 23 08:25:24 i write them both at the same time Mar 23 08:25:32 its rare i have memleaks in my code Mar 23 08:25:46 thats just years of experience that has bred habits Mar 23 08:25:54 hehe Mar 23 08:25:57 that nuke bugs before they happen as you "take care" Mar 23 08:26:05 its almost like a bunch of python coders wrote this Mar 23 08:26:10 ... Mar 23 08:26:40 gah! Mar 23 08:26:45 * raster fixes mroe leaks Mar 23 08:27:20 raster: what language would you suggest to study to a guy who never programmed? Mar 23 08:27:29 raster: (the right answer: English) ;) Mar 23 08:27:55 PaulFertser: assembly Mar 23 08:28:06 if u can grok asm Mar 23 08:28:21 and not run for the hills when u find out what pointers really are Mar 23 08:28:29 and what the rest of a machine really looks like Mar 23 08:28:38 you've passed the first trial by fire Mar 23 08:28:39 :) Mar 23 08:31:59 raster: what CPU/OS would you target in a course like that? After trying to explain some things about C that are so obvious to me i really started to think that probably they should better have studied some asm first... I'm still not sure if this is the most efficient approach, especially given that most programming patterns look hm inelegant being expressed in asm. MIT choosed Scheme for their introductionary course btw. Mar 23 08:32:54 ptitjes: are you firm in Vala/GObject? Mar 23 08:33:36 I need to dynamically instanciate an object of a certain class (when I open a module window, it needs to create an instance of that class) Mar 23 08:34:02 is it possible to just store the string of the class name, or a pointer to a specific class Mar 23 08:34:45 and then do something like "ModuleClass mod = new get_class("nameofmoduleclasshere") Mar 23 08:35:12 I am a GObject/GLib noob, so no clue if that is possible Mar 23 08:35:30 PaulFertser: well my first asm was 6502 - but that was awful Mar 23 08:35:34 my next was m68k Mar 23 08:35:39 i have to say 68k was nice Mar 23 08:35:46 everyone i know who has done 68k agrees Mar 23 08:35:50 its very elegant asm Mar 23 08:35:58 but 68k's are pretty much dead these days Mar 23 08:36:09 so my siggestion might be arm or mips Mar 23 08:36:11 raster: btw... I tried to send a mail to e-devel list... which ignored me... Mar 23 08:36:14 do NOT leanr x86 asm Mar 23 08:36:18 it will warp your mind Mar 23 08:36:29 and u will hate asm forever Mar 23 08:36:39 spaetz: look at GLib.Type Mar 23 08:36:42 x86 is an abomination - the only asm for x86 u should ever touch is mmx/sse Mar 23 08:36:43 raster: already did, 8051, then 8086... Mar 23 08:37:04 if u are comfy with registers, stack, heap, pointers, and how all of this glues together Mar 23 08:37:10 ptitjes: just looking at valadoc.org, I find GLib.Type.from_name() that might help me Mar 23 08:37:13 spaetz: Type t = typeof(Foo.Bar); Mar 23 08:37:13 (where local variables live on the stack and how, et.c) Mar 23 08:37:16 will try that Mar 23 08:37:21 pointer math is "just more numbers. not a problem" Mar 23 08:37:22 ahh, typeof thanks Mar 23 08:37:22 etc. Mar 23 08:37:28 then... c is pretty good Mar 23 08:37:34 as c is just "portable macro asm" Mar 23 08:37:41 spaetz: Object.new(t, "prop1", value1, "prop2", value2, null) Mar 23 08:37:42 it more or less maps 1:1 to asm Mar 23 08:37:49 u can read c and think of the asm it will produce Mar 23 08:37:55 very cool, thanks ptitjes Mar 23 08:37:59 master c and i'd say if u like- try c++ Mar 23 08:38:07 but really i was happy to just stay in c land Mar 23 08:38:07 spaetz: with pleasure Mar 23 08:38:17 every thing i thought of wanting from c+= i have implemented in c anyway Mar 23 08:38:35 mrmoku: hmm they are sf.net mailing lists Mar 23 08:38:41 i really avoid doing any admin on them Mar 23 08:38:45 all the mails pending are psam Mar 23 08:38:47 spam Mar 23 08:38:52 so i never even look Mar 23 08:38:52 :-) Mar 23 08:38:58 raster: But don't you think that the road you outline is good only for elite programmers? Mar 23 08:39:14 spaetz: BTW we must talk gui soon enough Mar 23 08:39:24 spaetz: I would like we go for a MVP model Mar 23 08:39:26 PaulFertser: and we should have any other kind of programmer? Mar 23 08:39:31 ptitjes: sure, so far I am still in experimenting and learning mode :) Mar 23 08:39:38 :) Mar 23 08:39:42 spaetz: because now we have Gtk, EFL, and *Clutter binding Mar 23 08:40:07 and also curses binding (only user will be Ainulind1le but anyway) Mar 23 08:41:02 hehe Mar 23 08:41:05 ptitjes: well.. there might be more users for it ;) Mar 23 08:41:16 would be easier to just standardize on one GUI :-) Mar 23 08:41:53 spaetz: then what toolkit ? Mar 23 08:42:02 motif! Mar 23 08:42:08 raster: Hm, yes? Some people are more bright, some less. For some IT is a great passion, for others it's a hobby or a way to earn a living. Some people will be just happy to be a decent admins or work in end-user support... Mar 23 08:42:09 but MVP sound good. No experience with prgramming in a MVP way though (apart from django web framework) Mar 23 08:42:16 spaetz: you like e, me likes clutter, some do like gtk... Mar 23 08:42:23 * spaetz hits raster with motif on the head Mar 23 08:42:31 * mrmoku thought raster would suggest plain xlib Mar 23 08:42:45 frame buffer! frame buffer! Mar 23 08:42:47 :D Mar 23 08:42:50 ptitjes: Actually I started e as it seemed the dominant and most supported GUI on the FR Mar 23 08:43:00 otherwise I would have done GTK :) Mar 23 08:43:11 spaetz: this is why we must go MVP Mar 23 08:43:12 PaulFertser: well you did ask me for my opinion :) i think that there is a distinct lack of quality programmers - there is a mass orf them doing java and whot not Mar 23 08:43:26 and the reason your 1g of ram is bloated out and full is because of a lower level of quality Mar 23 08:43:27 ptitjes: anyway... have to go and replace a disk at a clients site... will be back in 2-3 hours and interested in gui talks :-) Mar 23 08:43:38 people who just cease to know or care abotu what they are dealing with Mar 23 08:43:42 spaetz: and indeed this will be a better design (I mean forcing the decoupling) and easier to test Mar 23 08:43:55 mrmoku: going to work now :( Mar 23 08:44:12 asbtraction layers hide it all and they cease to realise inder the bonnet and inside the cylinder chambers burns a highly combustible material... Mar 23 08:44:13 mrmoku, spaetz: so we will this evening/tonight Mar 23 08:44:14 ptitjes: agreed Mar 23 08:44:16 bye!! Mar 23 08:44:19 bye Mar 23 08:44:32 Might not be online then, we'll see Mar 23 08:44:59 you dont go build a care and stop thinking about the fact u are powering the thing with fuel and maybe building something that heats up to much.. and has sparks flying everywhere.. might be a problem :) Mar 23 08:45:39 (ok bad analogy - but my point is -0 you are deling with a tool - a system. understand it before you go thrusting your creations under the noses of others!" :) Mar 23 08:48:31 raster: i have to live in a real world that i don't exactly like. And in my real world there's a group of students, and i want (and have) to care about everybody, not only the best ones. Officially we're targeting embedded programming, but in fact most of them will be doing some generic network administration/web sites/dumb coding/etc... That's why i constantly think about which direction should i better point to. Mar 23 08:49:37 * PaulFertser remembers his school teacher who always said him: "Yes, i know it's dull, i know that stuff is stupid and obvious to you, but ..." Mar 23 08:50:33 PaulFertser: i think this world has become sick Mar 23 08:50:47 theres so much rfocus on "praise everyone and everyone is good - make sure everyone can achieve" Mar 23 08:50:52 thats just wrong Mar 23 08:50:59 facts are some people can, some cant Mar 23 08:51:10 some may get it if they slog hard enough Mar 23 08:51:24 its better to weed out the can'ts ealry than have them drag everyone else down Mar 23 08:51:33 imho Mar 23 08:51:41 i believe completely in grading Mar 23 08:51:42 and results Mar 23 08:51:50 a, b, c, d, etc. graded classes Mar 23 08:51:58 in .au university is the same Mar 23 08:52:05 you get the mark to get in for your course Mar 23 08:52:10 or you go away. pretty simple Mar 23 08:52:44 to do medicine 99.8, law 98.5, computer engineering 97.5, science, 65, arts 50 Mar 23 08:52:46 etc. Mar 23 08:52:56 PaulFertser, (Hi!) broblem is that you can totally brake education Mar 23 08:53:27 making something "easy" so "everyone can learn" doesnt do anything Mar 23 08:53:42 unless u are trying to do a "programming for the average joe" classes Mar 23 08:53:57 if u are teaching embedded programming - this world requires you care about your system Mar 23 08:54:09 its limited - with less ram and cpu than your desktop by a wide margin Mar 23 08:54:18 thus you need to understand how those resources work Mar 23 08:54:35 or all you do is you walk around with some degree/diploma/whatever saying u are an embedded programmer Mar 23 08:54:50 but in reality - you create work for the ones there as they are busy cleaning up the mess left behind Mar 23 08:55:51 so i think.. peolpe who want to do this - need the education that makes them productive useful members of such a team Mar 23 08:55:56 people make mistakes and bugs all the time Mar 23 08:55:59 oppses etc. Mar 23 08:56:12 raster: funny thing is that in my world one can't expel students because there will be too little students left and consequently all tutors will have to quit :) Mar 23 08:56:16 but putting people into a team who fundamentally just "dont get it" isnt going to help :( Mar 23 08:56:31 ptitjes: hehe... trip to client is postponed... will be here this evening too though Mar 23 08:56:44 PaulFertser: aaah now you get to the heart of the problem - in education in general Mar 23 08:56:53 its self-serving to keep its own existence Mar 23 08:56:54 max_posedon: Hey :) Mar 23 08:56:56 i do understand that Mar 23 08:57:11 but you dont expel Mar 23 08:57:16 simply people are going to fail Mar 23 08:57:19 it will happen Mar 23 08:57:30 imho asm is easy to grasp Mar 23 08:57:32 its SIMPLE Mar 23 08:57:37 its a series of very simple steps Mar 23 08:57:56 memory and pointers is easy to understand - if you relate it to something you know Mar 23 08:58:26 (i like to use analogies like street addresses and post boxes wi9th envelopes in them with a number ont he envelope) Mar 23 08:58:35 so a "pointer" or "memory address" is really.. like a street address Mar 23 08:58:45 124 johns street Mar 23 08:58:52 PaulFertser, I really see it in Belarus, IT education is broken. Mar 23 08:58:55 or 0x00000124 Mar 23 08:59:01 raster: in russia there's no educational standards, no real marks, nothing works. Everything is completely subjective. Mar 23 08:59:16 raster: (or corrupted) Mar 23 08:59:26 max_posedon: guess it's the same in Belarus. Mar 23 08:59:46 PaulFertser: interesting. here' its standardised and pretty much governed by rules that apply everywhere Mar 23 08:59:48 but really Mar 23 08:59:51 dont remove topics Mar 23 08:59:56 or make it easier to pass people Mar 23 09:00:00 teachy them the hard stuff Mar 23 09:00:03 the ground rules Mar 23 09:00:09 but do it in a way thats easy to understand Mar 23 09:00:12 a lot fo teachers dont Mar 23 09:00:29 they jump right into the details or high level concepts before the basics are grounded Mar 23 09:00:50 spaetz, mrmoku: taking a very last coffee before going (I'll be late but whatever...) Mar 23 09:01:20 * mrmoku is drinking coffee too :-) Mar 23 09:01:55 raster: what do you think about AVR assembly then? It's easy to cross-compile on any system, RISC, easy to get hardware, easy to apply to some funny project... Mar 23 09:02:07 avr? i don't know it Mar 23 09:02:14 arm is risc Mar 23 09:02:28 @ university we did 2 asm's Mar 23 09:02:36 raster: avr is targeting the market of fast 8-bit embedded systems. Mar 23 09:02:44 xma (iot was a fake asm with a face machnie with an accumulator etc. and just a simulator) Mar 23 09:02:52 it made it easy to work with as u didnt need real hw Mar 23 09:03:03 it was a software vm that u could incpect the memory of any time Mar 23 09:03:05 and registers Mar 23 09:03:16 and it has machine opcodes for "print" Mar 23 09:03:21 (puts) Mar 23 09:03:28 just to make debugging easy Mar 23 09:03:41 it was kind of nice as it was a contained way to introduce asm Mar 23 09:03:44 spaetz, mrmoku: some good MVP reading is martin fowler website Mar 23 09:04:00 later we did 68k asm for another engineering class - but i had already leartn 68k asm before that Mar 23 09:04:09 some schools teach mips Mar 23 09:04:11 or sparc Mar 23 09:04:13 PaulFertser, something near this, but, as result of `1. education for all` and `2. goverment asks to 80% students thats should finish university` Mar 23 09:04:21 personalyl i think arm asm is pretty elegant - and powerful Mar 23 09:04:28 and its a real-world asm thats really widely used Mar 23 09:04:29 nobody care about level of education. Mar 23 09:04:41 spaetz, mrmoku: http://martinfowler.com/eaaDev/index.html see at the right of the page "Presentation Patterns" Mar 23 09:05:06 ptitjes: just found it via wikipedia :-) Mar 23 09:05:11 thanks Mar 23 09:05:13 spaetz, mrmoku: the Passive View and the Supervising Controller are the one that correcponds to the common view of MVP Mar 23 09:05:52 bookmarked Mar 23 09:06:01 * spaetz needs more coffee Mar 23 09:06:08 raster: quick googling doesn't show me anything xma-related... Mar 23 09:06:29 blah. g_object_new: assertion `G_TYPE_IS_OBJECT (object_type)' failed Mar 23 09:06:49 max_posedon: what about bribing? Mar 23 09:07:11 spaetz: are you trying to instanciate an interface ? Mar 23 09:07:23 spaetz: please tell me type.name () ? Mar 23 09:07:54 ype mod_type = typeof( Setting.Power ); Mar 23 09:07:54 mod = GLib.Object.new (mod_type); Mar 23 09:07:59 T Mar 23 09:08:27 mod_type.qname().to_string() results in SettingPower Mar 23 09:08:48 spaetz: you can simply do type.name() Mar 23 09:08:54 trying Mar 23 09:09:06 raster: anyway thanks for all your wonderful advices again, they always make me think a lot. I don't even dismiss the possibility it will do some good one day. :) Mar 23 09:09:12 PaulFertser, you can't buy diploma in belarus, students even shouldn't pay to tichers to pass exam. Because they won't push out from university. But of course bribing is "present" here too. Mar 23 09:09:26 .name is the same string as qname().to_string() Mar 23 09:09:30 spaetz: is Setting.Power a class ? Mar 23 09:09:34 yep Mar 23 09:09:40 PaulFertser: seriously - we need well trained coders in this world. Mar 23 09:09:52 i think a big problem is simply bad teaching Mar 23 09:09:52 abstract ? Mar 23 09:10:04 ie not teaching the right things in the right way Mar 23 09:10:10 No, I have an abstract class Setting.Abstract and Setting.power inherits Mar 23 09:10:18 is inherited from that Mar 23 09:10:18 the other is simply pushing people to pass who should fail Mar 23 09:10:27 and overrides the abstract methods Mar 23 09:10:38 spaetz: have the abstract class derive from Object Mar 23 09:10:42 and this will go away Mar 23 09:11:00 assertion `G_TYPE_IS_OBJECT (object_type)' failed Mar 23 09:11:02 ahh, true, it's not an object Mar 23 09:11:04 it says it all :) Mar 23 09:11:16 blah :-P Mar 23 09:11:19 retrying Mar 23 09:11:39 YAY Mar 23 09:11:45 :D Mar 23 09:11:55 that was it. Where should I mail the beer? (or coffee) :-) Mar 23 09:11:57 THanks Mar 23 09:12:10 spaetz: we'll manage that at the FSOSHR'09 Mar 23 09:12:41 hehe, still don't know if I can manage. Trying to convince wife to increase my travel budget ;-) Mar 23 09:13:00 If I make it, I'll buy you a beer Mar 23 09:13:01 spaetz: we are waiting for you! Mar 23 09:13:05 :) Mar 23 09:13:12 so gtg now bye Mar 23 09:13:18 bye Mar 23 09:13:24 spaetz: tell her you need it... for mental sanity :P Mar 23 09:13:34 ptitjes: cu Mar 23 09:13:51 she knows that my mental sanity is a lost cause Mar 23 09:13:57 money down the drain :) Mar 23 09:14:03 :) Mar 23 09:24:47 mrmoku: will you be there? Mar 23 09:25:05 spaetz: I think noone of us can avoid that :P Mar 23 09:25:16 :) Mar 23 09:26:24 and it would be realllly reaaally nice if you and dos1 would come too :-) Mar 23 09:27:47 grumble, grumble :-) I'd love to Mar 23 09:29:55 heyo Mar 23 09:30:06 * mrmoku was faster :P Mar 23 09:30:33 heyho Mar 23 09:30:47 * morphis typed without typo :) Mar 23 09:30:53 :-) Mar 23 09:31:04 okay... you won Mar 23 09:31:13 :D Mar 23 09:38:59 morphis: did you look at python-ecore yet? might be as easy as adding the correct include somewhere... but I have no idea about that python stuff :P Mar 23 09:39:39 mrmoku, I am currently recompiling whole e, then I will look Mar 23 09:39:48 ahh, ok :-) Mar 23 09:39:51 I think the same like you Mar 23 09:39:53 :) Mar 23 10:39:24 Would anyone know a reliable jabber transport for MSN / ICQ ? Mar 23 10:45:08 mmh, can it be that GLib.Object.new (type), does not call the constructor of the Class? Mar 23 10:45:10 seems like it Mar 23 10:51:03 spaetz: I successfully finished Reasy17.sh... what next? install elementary manually to /usr/local? Mar 23 10:51:19 :-) trying vala? Mar 23 10:51:23 :-) Mar 23 10:51:27 yep, install elementary Mar 23 10:51:50 /usr/local was fine for me Mar 23 10:52:06 installed valac already? Mar 23 10:52:12 yep Mar 23 10:52:35 and also libeflvala (also just make; make install;) Mar 23 10:52:45 that should be it. Mar 23 10:52:59 Well, nobody cares about me, sic'. Mar 23 10:53:40 Ainulindale: we care about you... but not your reliable jabber transport problem :P Mar 23 10:53:54 I want my transppooooort ! Mar 23 10:54:03 MSN/ICQ suck Mar 23 10:54:15 * spaetz gives Ainulindale a lift Mar 23 10:56:00 I want my constructooors be called! dammit Mar 23 11:08:06 yay, fixed Mar 23 11:08:19 Timeout screen is completely hooked up. Mar 23 11:08:53 Finished for today. Tomorrow I'll continue to work on BT/GSM/Wifi Power toggles and a "Flight mode" button Mar 23 11:09:21 spaetz: enlightenment installed fine Mar 23 11:09:28 having problems with libeflvala... Mar 23 11:09:34 ok Mar 23 11:09:51 was as easy as "./configure; make; make install" for me, I think Mar 23 11:10:01 what's the issue? Mar 23 11:10:13 lots of errors :-) Mar 23 11:10:18 :) Mar 23 11:10:26 I tried with ./autogen.sh Mar 23 11:10:38 it configured fine... but make bails Mar 23 11:10:52 yep, autogen was needed of course Mar 23 11:10:56 mmh Mar 23 11:11:11 * spaetz tries to remember which dependencies he had to install. Mar 23 11:11:18 does not find Eina.h... Mar 23 11:11:20 hmm Mar 23 11:11:47 mrmoku: try making a synlink in /usr/include to eina-0 Mar 23 11:11:58 Do you have to tell it somehow that e is intalled in /usr/local and that it should look for includes there? Mar 23 11:12:14 ln -s /usr/include/eina0/Eina.h /usr/include/ Mar 23 11:12:47 that hack works, and i don't have the problem with the latest eina anymore Mar 23 11:13:00 tomboy64: nahh, if it can't find Eina.h it will find nothing and you would be symlinking the whole content of /usr/local/include one by one Mar 23 11:13:05 tomboy64: does complain now about logs of eina_xyz.h :-) Mar 23 11:13:11 or is it just this one file? Mar 23 11:13:32 (for me it worked) Mar 23 11:14:37 * spaetz has no Eina.h in /usr/include and install worked Mar 23 11:15:07 i had it happening with etk Mar 23 11:15:37 mrmoku: did you also just did the standard install with Reasy17? Mar 23 11:15:53 spaetz: yep... standard install to /usr/local Mar 23 11:16:00 mmh, same here Mar 23 11:16:21 for elementary with PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig ./autoconf.sh --prefix=/usr/local Mar 23 11:16:35 elementary installed nice... and I have a working elementary_test Mar 23 11:18:36 * spaetz just did make clean; make and libeflvala compiled without problems. Mar 23 11:18:45 strange Mar 23 11:20:27 how is elementary-test pulled in? Mar 23 11:20:39 I'd really love to remvove it's .deskto file Mar 23 11:22:22 spaetz: don't know for sure... but I would guess by elementary itself... Mar 23 11:22:29 mmh, or even more basic, where is "elementary" defined :-) Mar 23 11:22:42 I see e17/elementary_alarm.bb Mar 23 11:22:58 that depends on "elementary", but I don't see a .bb for elementary Mar 23 11:23:07 spaetz: efl0 or something like that Mar 23 11:23:10 (subdir) Mar 23 11:23:14 ahh, thanks Mar 23 11:23:30 searching the tree is useless if its hidden in a weird subdir :) Mar 23 11:23:48 found it Mar 23 11:24:41 :-) Mar 23 11:24:54 mmh, sounds like yet another patch that shr-overlay needs to apply Mar 23 11:24:55 this is one thing I miss a lot... search for a package Mar 23 11:25:23 yep, a "bitbake --tell-me-where-pkg-is-defined blah" would be nice Mar 23 11:27:56 gentoo-portage is a much better solutin Mar 23 11:28:10 just for providing binary packages it sucks Mar 23 11:28:28 tell me when you need git access to vala-settings ;-) Mar 23 11:30:46 CPATH=/usr/include/dbus-1.0:/usr/lib64/dbus-1.0/include:/usr/local/include/eina-0:/usr/local/include/eina-0/eina make Mar 23 11:30:49 did the trick Mar 23 11:31:19 spaetz: have to eat and go to my client now... will try it later and tell you then :P Mar 23 11:31:36 pff, weird Mar 23 11:31:49 CPATH, never heard of that Mar 23 11:32:50 spaetz: :-) adds paths gcc shall look for header files Mar 23 11:33:12 :) I am lost when ./configure, make, make install fails :) Mar 23 11:33:18 and is quite usefull if you can't (or don't want) to fiddle with CPATH Mar 23 11:33:24 arg... CFLAGS Mar 23 12:49:54 mickeyl: you here? would you have a few minutes for #linwizard? Mar 23 12:50:20 * spaetz looks at the libeflvala thread example Mar 23 13:15:23 heyho Mar 23 13:15:28 anyone know how to compile a custom kernel (ie. new .config) using open embedded? Mar 23 13:16:51 mrmoku: with the current version of ecore I get some errors with python-ecore, many defines and structures are invalid Mar 23 13:52:58 PaulFertser: I totally agree with raster wrt learning programming. Every detail :) Mar 23 13:53:31 PaulFertser: though my first asm was Z80 Mar 23 13:53:59 DocScrutinizer: you're too old to judge ;) In the modern age of dynamic multi-paradigm languages assembler looks miserable ;) Mar 23 13:54:17 hehe, maybe Mar 23 13:54:49 PaulFertser: it may Mar 23 13:55:00 but .,.. for every "dynamic language" that interprets your scriupt Mar 23 13:55:06 ua re forcing a cpu to run 1000's of commands Mar 23 13:55:07 or more Mar 23 13:55:09 for 1 line Mar 23 13:55:14 possibly 10,000's Mar 23 13:55:17 or 100,0000's Mar 23 13:55:21 for just a signle liner Mar 23 13:55:31 people just think "its just 1 line of code" Mar 23 13:55:56 yup Mar 23 13:56:00 think of the poor cpu that is doing so much... because not only does ti need to be parsed, and validated, then it needs to do a whole bunch of high-level logic Mar 23 13:56:06 ie in c an int is really simple Mar 23 13:56:11 a = b + c; Mar 23 13:56:20 DocScrutinizer: i guess you might want to comment on this message (my "explanation" about why buzz rework won't fix headset): http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-March/044416.html Mar 23 13:56:24 whereas I feel pain looking at it and picturing the code generated Mar 23 13:56:32 is (depending if data is in registers or not) 1, 2 or 3 asm instructions Mar 23 13:56:38