**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 09 02:59:57 2009 Apr 09 06:39:58 bah, my environment is still broken. Apr 09 06:50:49 TAsn: welcome to the club Apr 09 06:51:05 fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git Apr 09 06:51:05 ;[ Apr 09 06:51:15 I get that when trying to build my first package (in the new environment) Apr 09 06:51:29 probably forgot doing something important Apr 09 06:51:37 but I can't seem to find out what. Apr 09 06:51:50 have you done 'make update' in top-dir? Apr 09 06:51:55 yes. Apr 09 06:52:02 TAsn: probably you did "cd" to some .git? Apr 09 06:52:12 PaulFertser, I'm in top dir Apr 09 06:52:14 issuing Apr 09 06:52:19 bitbake evas Apr 09 06:52:22 and later also tried Apr 09 06:52:24 bitbake -c evas Apr 09 06:52:26 ;\ Apr 09 06:52:29 and ecore Apr 09 06:52:56 TAsn: why -c? I guess bitbake evas is enough? Apr 09 06:53:03 it is Apr 09 06:53:09 oops Apr 09 06:53:10 I meant Apr 09 06:53:13 bitbake -c build evas Apr 09 06:53:20 and that's the default anyway. Apr 09 06:53:29 just got bored ;] Apr 09 06:54:00 TAsn: is it possible that you moved you whole installation or smth like that? What does "git status" print? Apr 09 06:54:24 in top? Apr 09 06:54:33 TAsn: yes Apr 09 06:55:06 by top you mean the dir that has shr/shr-testing/open... right? Apr 09 06:55:27 where I downloaded the make file to Apr 09 06:55:27 ... Apr 09 06:55:34 TAsn: no, i mean the openembedded directory itself. Apr 09 06:55:45 openembedded or shr? Apr 09 06:55:47 TAsn: the path to where OE git repo was cloned. Apr 09 06:56:15 git status Apr 09 06:56:15 # On branch org.openembedded.dev Apr 09 06:56:15 nothing to commit (working directory clean) Apr 09 06:57:36 TAsn: so your repo is ok, it seems. You need to investigate where that error comes from, there can't be any magic here. Apr 09 06:58:27 TAsn: shr uses a tricky "overlay", i've never tried it, sorry. Apr 09 06:58:46 ;\ Apr 09 07:00:43 TAsn: what does "make shr-unstable/.configured" in the toplevel dir print? Apr 09 07:01:30 And "make update-shr-unstable" Apr 09 07:01:35 first nothing Apr 09 07:02:03 a lot of good stuff Apr 09 07:02:06 but also Apr 09 07:02:09 fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly Apr 09 07:02:13 and a couple of errors. Apr 09 07:02:50 TAsn: looks like either OE git or SHR git is hunging up? Apr 09 07:03:22 bah, I think I'll just use my working environment Apr 09 07:03:28 and make a new one when I have the time. Apr 09 07:03:38 TAsn: and btw, i think you're supposed to do "bitbake anything" in shr-unstable Apr 09 07:03:44 TAsn: not in toplevel Apr 09 07:04:01 also tried that. Apr 09 07:04:36 TAsn: did " . ./setup-env" before? Apr 09 07:05:06 otherwise I wouldn't have had bitbake... Apr 09 07:06:08 TAsn: i guess "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly" is the key here... Apr 09 07:06:16 yeah. Apr 09 07:06:17 probably Apr 09 07:06:23 TAsn: what repo can't it access? Apr 09 07:07:11 TAsn: does "make update-shr-unstable" prints anything interesting? Apr 09 07:07:28 it happens when I do update Apr 09 07:07:32 -shr-undstable Apr 09 07:07:35 not before. Apr 09 07:07:37 TAsn: some git repo often hangs up Apr 09 07:07:49 I often need to do make update twice or three times Apr 09 07:07:51 http://pastebin.com/m5841856 Apr 09 07:07:53 spaetz: "some" == shr or OE? Apr 09 07:08:00 usually OE Apr 09 07:08:10 never experienced with shr repo Apr 09 07:08:40 but not really sure, I just see the "repo hanged up" message browse by while "make updat'ing" Apr 09 07:09:04 so I have taken to "make update" twice by default, just to be sure :) Apr 09 07:09:09 spaetz: btw, why SHR makefile hides actual commands? How can you see what's going on from TAsn's pastebin? Apr 09 07:10:04 I have no experience with that makefile, mrmoku changes stuff there Apr 09 07:10:13 I never actually looked at it Apr 09 07:10:51 fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly Apr 09 07:10:58 yep, these messages Apr 09 07:11:47 TAsn: i'd did the commands from makefile by hand to see every step in detail, it's not that hard. Apr 09 07:11:50 but other than that, it seems to have worked fine Apr 09 07:12:05 PaulFertser, I have bunch of stuff to do Apr 09 07:12:11 I'll just skip the rebuild Apr 09 07:12:11 TAsn: cd shr-unstable/openembedded; git fetch Apr 09 07:12:16 and do it some other time. ;] Apr 09 07:12:44 TAsn: most probably oe git repo is overloaded or something like that. Apr 09 07:13:12 I'd just "make update" again in an hour or so Apr 09 07:13:29 * spaetz is really lucky that shr builds just fine on this machine Apr 09 07:13:58 spaetz: btw, the way shr makefile works can really contribute to mysterious build failures. Too many commands can fail, but nobody cares about it and just goes on. That will lead to many strange issues, i guess. Apr 09 07:14:40 I also get the fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly Apr 09 07:14:47 at the same spot when make updating Apr 09 07:15:24 PaulFertser: might well be. But as I said, I don't nothing about it (and I intent to keep it this way :) ) Apr 09 07:16:03 don't *know* nothing about it Apr 09 07:16:05 spaetz: yeah, shr should finally move to OE. Apr 09 07:16:12 PaulFertser: agreed Apr 09 07:16:13 spaetz: get rid of ugly "overlay" Apr 09 07:16:20 everyone want that Apr 09 07:16:35 it *just* needs to be done Apr 09 07:17:00 and afaik, we are not even sure yet whether this should be a different OE branch Apr 09 07:17:10 or done within the FSO-MS5.5 branch Apr 09 07:17:43 lots of other issues as well Apr 09 07:17:58 e.g. I can easily change stuff in the overlay, but I don't have access to OE Apr 09 07:25:40 why isn't there a debug package for libc6? Apr 09 07:26:19 what the heck is: NOTE: Handling BitBake files: - (4957/6486) [76 %]ERROR: maximum recursion depth exceeded while parsing /home/spaetz/src/shrbuildenv/shr-unstable/openembedded/packages/sato-icon-theme/sato-icon-theme_0.1.bb Apr 09 07:31:36 WTF require sato-icon-theme.inc is in sato-icon-them.inc Apr 09 07:31:44 of course it will recurse indefinitely Apr 09 07:44:55 uf, morgen Apr 09 07:48:35 emfox: hey :) Apr 09 07:48:46 PaulFertser: hello Apr 09 07:49:32 PaulFertser: I've got some progress on porting Apr 09 07:49:46 emfox: cool, i wanted to hear exactly that ;) Apr 09 07:49:55 PaulFertser: ok Apr 09 07:50:11 emfox: do you still have any open questions? Apr 09 07:50:21 PaulFertser: I use fso-abyss and send dbus message to it Apr 09 07:51:06 PaulFertser: now I can Open Session and AllocChannel Apr 09 07:51:23 morning, mirko-paroli :) Apr 09 07:51:29 hi Paul Apr 09 07:52:20 emfox: does AllocChannel succeed? Have you tried communitacting over pty after that? Apr 09 07:52:37 PaulFertser: And when I minicom to a /dev/pts/*, AT command could be sent Apr 09 07:52:49 emfox: very nice :) Apr 09 07:53:11 PaulFertser: but sometimes it be interpreted as datas Apr 09 07:54:00 emfox: got a debug log from the muxer? Apr 09 07:54:12 emfox: that show the actual problem Apr 09 07:54:13 PaulFertser: and other time it's received byte by byte Apr 09 07:54:59 PaulFertser: maybe I should turn on some bits of the pty first? Apr 09 07:55:24 PaulFertser: I'm not familiar with serial-programming Apr 09 07:56:06 PaulFertser:abyss log just shows it receives data Apr 09 07:56:07 emfox: i guess you should disable both hardware and software flow control in minicom when you access pty. Apr 09 07:56:52 and the data was actually what I input Apr 09 07:57:15 PaulFertser: I disabled both of them Apr 09 07:57:42 emfox: and you can try to start pppd to get gprs over muxer, if it works, then muxer is most probably ok and you can move on to ogsmd. Apr 09 07:59:03 just feed /dev/pts/5 (mine channel 1 here) to ppp script, and nothing else to configure? Apr 09 07:59:30 emfox: it'd be good for a first try enough, i guess. Apr 09 08:01:03 PaulFertser: oh, and a little annoyance, I could open session every time, but for alloc channel, it failed sometimes, but could be ok after 2 to 5 times Apr 09 08:01:32 emfox: what are you working on? Apr 09 08:01:33 PaulFertser: anything wrong there? Apr 09 08:01:49 emfox: btw, in ogsmd when you request gprs, it starts pppd with "crtscts", so enabling hardware flow control should be safe. Apr 09 08:02:00 tmzt: gsm0710mux on treo Apr 09 08:02:05 emfox: not sure, can't tell without the debug log. Apr 09 08:02:12 cool, which one? Apr 09 08:02:14 tmzt: fso-abyss to be precise Apr 09 08:02:53 tmzt: fso-abyss on treo 680 Apr 09 08:03:21 PaulFertser: ok. I'll turn to ogsmd as soon as gprs ok Apr 09 08:04:46 which treo? Apr 09 08:05:02 PaulFertser: before dig into ogsmd, is there any hints? could just 'frameworkd -s ogsmd' and talk to it via dbus? Apr 09 08:05:13 and are you familiar with the handshaking Apr 09 08:05:40 tmzt: treo 680 Apr 09 08:06:23 tmzt: what handshaking? Apr 09 08:06:48 emfox: you need a proper config for frameworkd, there you specify your modem. As your particular modem is not supported (i hope yet), you can try those already supported to see what works, what doesn't and how to make it work. Don't forget to enable DEBUG loglevel for ogsmd so you'll see enough information in the log. Apr 09 08:07:40 well, sleep-walker is working on some kernel stuff on 680 but it looks like you further ahead with modem on 680 Apr 09 08:08:28 emfox: for testing ogsmd you can try to compile lindi-'s Kapula (as it doesn't require anything except ogsmd and is lightweight). Apr 09 08:09:26 PaulFertser: all right, I fould ti_calypso was used. What type do u recommend for a (assumd) standard modem? Apr 09 08:09:32 emfox: you'll find kapula at http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/ Apr 09 08:10:09 raster: you awake and around? Apr 09 08:10:10 tmzt: I know sleep-walker and work on treo with him since last month Apr 09 08:11:17 PaulFertser: ok i'll try Apr 09 08:11:18 emfox: no idea, to be honest. With ti_calypso some proprietary commands are used like %CPI (and probably other). Apr 09 08:11:25 Ainulindale, ptitjes: vala recipes have arrived upstream in the FSO-MS5.5 branch, so I would delete our vala workaround .bb's in the SHR-overlay Apr 09 08:13:16 mwester, [ Ainulindale ] oh.. stupid mistake, patch here http://maxposedon.org/0001-typo-fix-in-libframeworkd-phonegui-efl-s-ru.po.patch Apr 09 08:13:17 emfox: i'd try with ti_calypso first (it is the most tested after all); when i'd see problems, i'd compare that particular problematic part with other modems. Apr 09 08:13:39 max_posedon: just bumped into it, thx :) Apr 09 08:14:19 it's bcm2133 though Apr 09 08:14:20 dent, little bit strange say me "thanks", because I broke it) Apr 09 08:14:20 PaulFertser: oh, ok. Thanks for the hint Apr 09 08:14:48 max_posedon: then no thanks :-P Apr 09 08:16:02 tmzt: are you talking to me and do you mean treo 680's modem? Apr 09 08:17:03 yes Apr 09 08:17:22 emfox: oh, btw, you should use mickeyterm instead of minicom. It calls AllocChannel automatically and acts accordingly. Apr 09 08:17:38 emfox: sorry for not mentioning it earlier. Apr 09 08:18:02 max_posedon: how should I apply it? I guess adding the patch to the recipe myself is the easiest way? Apr 09 08:18:11 although eventually some1 commits it in Apr 09 08:18:29 PaulFertser: good info for me. I nearly hate minicom :) Apr 09 08:19:21 1. cd libframeworkd-phonegui-elf ; patch -p1 < a.patch Apr 09 08:19:29 tmzt: If you are sure it is, I think I should go searching some info about it first Apr 09 08:19:50 2. git-apply a.patch Apr 09 08:20:11 3. just open file, and fix it, 2 very small fises Apr 09 08:20:13 uh... ok :) Apr 09 08:20:19 yeah, I see, just that stray "a" Apr 09 08:20:37 I really don't know where it comes from) Apr 09 08:22:11 SHR: 03Sebastian 07shr-overlay * r39f782915217 10/openembedded/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [vala] remove our vala recipes, they have arrived upstream in OE FSO-MS5.5 (tested that they build) Apr 09 08:22:20 Ainulindale: I swear I did a git pull before committing Apr 09 08:22:21 SHR: 03Sebastian 07shr-overlay * r622cd6819bfd 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr-overlay Apr 09 08:22:39 emfox: I looked into it a little for sleep-walker and that's what in the wiki he linked me Apr 09 08:23:24 emfox: it was just interesting that we were looking a the low-level gpios and you seem to be able to bring up mux, leaving me very confused Apr 09 08:28:25 tmzt: my work do not concern gpios. I turn on gsm in palmos first and boot linux then start to work on mux Apr 09 08:28:58 if turn off gsm first in palmos and switch, gsm won't work at all Apr 09 08:29:29 I have sent a mail to tell sleep-walker about it Apr 09 08:29:38 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rf7e40ab0c795 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: Apr 09 08:29:38 freesmartphone.org: odeviced: Fix time and format problems in the RTC interface Apr 09 08:29:38 freesmartphone.org: This fixes FSO bug #374 and brings the RTC interface in line with the Apr 09 08:29:38 freesmartphone.org: spec. Also fixes the time offset some people (probably everyone not in Apr 09 08:29:40 freesmartphone.org: UTC) experienced between calls of SetWakeupTime and GetWakeupTime. Apr 09 08:29:42 freesmartphone.org: See http://docs.python.org/library/time.html for the different Apr 09 08:29:44 freesmartphone.org: conversions "seconds since the epoch" <-> "{local,UTC} time". Apr 09 08:38:15 raster, ping. Apr 09 08:40:37 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * rb784a1e0a0f3 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Correct some typos in GSM.SMS interface description Apr 09 08:40:38 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * r8f7faacf27f9 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Correct parameter type in SetWakeupTime call Apr 09 08:46:57 mickey|zzZZzz: are you awake yet? :) Apr 09 09:01:58 all of the arabics here: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4ebfb1dbd5f6f82df7e5d3f6dfa3be7c.png Apr 09 09:04:33 spaetz: hmmm check that you're working on the good branch Apr 09 09:06:08 mmh, I did checkout an older commit (I wanted to discard some local crap commits I had done) Apr 09 09:06:23 apparently it didn't work out the way, I had intended it. Apr 09 09:06:39 so sorry for the one merge message you have to endure now :) Apr 09 09:09:00 spaetz: well you don't have to do that normally Apr 09 09:09:04 you just have to revert a given commit Apr 09 09:09:31 but if I "git revert" it will also show up in the logs, right? Apr 09 09:09:48 In this case I wanted to silently discard some crap commits I had done Apr 09 09:10:01 which were still local Apr 09 09:10:02 Well here the revert is necessary for tracking purposes Apr 09 09:10:19 Ah by the way I was looking for the opkg conf recently, didn't manage to remember where it was Apr 09 09:10:22 Would you know that? Apr 09 09:10:51 on the FR? /etc/opkg/opkg.conf? I don't know where that comes from though Apr 09 09:11:00 never looked at opkg closely so far Apr 09 09:11:49 Oh by the way spaetz forgot to tell you something Apr 09 09:11:57 Which may sound as a reproach although it's not one Apr 09 09:12:09 * spaetz hides and ducks Apr 09 09:12:11 Please don't post mails "as is" on the blog Apr 09 09:12:24 Your last post is directly asking me something Apr 09 09:12:27 That's not a post :-) Apr 09 09:12:48 You're free to sum up your ideas on the blog then launch the discussion on the ML, that's the purpose, and I'm ok with that Apr 09 09:12:51 Just don't copy it raw Apr 09 09:12:56 mmh, should have skipped the last paragraph, agreed :) Apr 09 09:13:22 spaetz: not opkg.conf, but the repos conf Apr 09 09:13:29 people though it was an April fools post anyway :) Apr 09 09:13:33 Ainulindale: morgen Apr 09 09:13:36 Hey o/ Apr 09 09:13:41 Need a hand for your recipes? Apr 09 09:13:51 Ainulindale: I *think* they are automatically created, but not sure how/where Apr 09 09:13:58 spaetz: Well formerly they weren't Apr 09 09:14:01 They were in the image Apr 09 09:14:09 I wonder when do I get to actualyl commit my stuff. I only have evenings for the FR... and of course I ran into problems with bitbake shr-lite-image(not cause by mi recipes though) Apr 09 09:14:12 I once looked into why we have the armv.okg which points to a non-existing repo Apr 09 09:14:16 but didn't get far Apr 09 09:14:17 By the way spaetz did you install latest unstable (using qi?) Apr 09 09:14:28 I installed a little thing to speed up resume Apr 09 09:14:40 I installed -unstable from yesterday morning, not the recent versions yet Apr 09 09:14:46 dent: well what would you want to commit, exactly? Apr 09 09:14:54 Your lib goes into FSO git Apr 09 09:15:07 You should first branch it in order to be able to work on a clean basis Apr 09 09:15:17 Do your commits, then when it's building properly both libraries, merge it to master Apr 09 09:15:21 Ainulindale: 1) new boost recipes (newer version) 2) (probably separate commit) change preferred version for boost to the new one Apr 09 09:15:28 imho can't break a thing... but, what do I know Apr 09 09:15:29 Your new recipes should go in the overlay Apr 09 09:15:42 yeah Apr 09 09:15:48 First create the normal path to the recipe (as in OE) Apr 09 09:15:56 then modify shr-autorev-unstable to include the preferred version Apr 09 09:16:10 spaetz: so you should have this quirk Apr 09 09:16:13 spaetz: check in /boot Apr 09 09:16:17 11:15:48 < Ainulindale> First create the normal path to the recipe (as in OE) Apr 09 09:16:17 you should have append-GTA02 Apr 09 09:16:20 ? Apr 09 09:16:28 you mean, jsut add it to shr/openembedded/packages/boost... Apr 09 09:16:28 dent: packages//boost Apr 09 09:16:31 yeah Apr 09 09:16:31 yeah Apr 09 09:16:33 this I have Apr 09 09:16:36 hello guys Apr 09 09:16:42 any one from shr team here ? Apr 09 09:16:51 Yeah. Apr 09 09:16:59 Ainulindale u ? Apr 09 09:17:22 Yes. Apr 09 09:17:59 well, any pkg-fso people here? Apr 09 09:18:00 I've got an idea... wonder what do you think... Apr 09 09:18:06 dent: shoot Apr 09 09:18:10 Ainulindale i see on the blog that you need Translating Apr 09 09:18:13 What if there was a page on the wiki about short-term build issues? Apr 09 09:18:17 gfather: Yes? Apr 09 09:18:22 dent: there is already Apr 09 09:18:24 TAsn just made arabic work Apr 09 09:18:27 Like... this sato-icon-theme, bluez, libphonegui... Apr 09 09:18:31 and im going to localize it to arabic Apr 09 09:18:35 thing that will be resolved soon, but now they're not Apr 09 09:18:40 http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR#Troubleshooting Apr 09 09:18:54 TAsn: Hmm arabic worked before IIRC Apr 09 09:19:01 But anyway, great, you're welcome to do that Apr 09 09:19:10 Ainulindale, couldn't be Apr 09 09:19:15 e didn't have rtl support Apr 09 09:19:23 not did it have arabic contexting. Apr 09 09:19:25 TAsn: Maybe then, but we may not have the good version :-) Apr 09 09:19:32 Ainulindale: saw that... looked a bit static; anyway so I'll add what I stumble upon there Apr 09 09:19:38 dent: You're welcome to do that :-) Apr 09 09:19:40 as it's easy to miss... and then it just costs time Apr 09 09:19:42 Ainulindale, e still does'nt have that Apr 09 09:19:43 ok :) Apr 09 09:19:49 I wrote it just yesterday. Apr 09 09:20:02 TAsn: well is the patch heavy? Apr 09 09:20:08 Does it imply a lot of modifications? Apr 09 09:20:16 If that's not the case we can put it as a patch in the overlay Apr 09 09:20:17 no Apr 09 09:20:23 sure Apr 09 09:20:24 TAsn: What does it do? Apr 09 09:20:46 it fixes rtl Apr 09 09:20:53 in the font drawing engines of e Apr 09 09:20:56 That's not what I meant Apr 09 09:21:02 oh Apr 09 09:21:06 What impact does it have? :-) Apr 09 09:21:08 small mods to evas's code Apr 09 09:21:17 and a few external c files Apr 09 09:21:21 based on latest? Apr 09 09:21:23 (in evas) Apr 09 09:21:26 based on your latest Apr 09 09:21:31 39827 iirc Apr 09 09:21:32 Ok then it's good Apr 09 09:21:40 You can put it in the overlay Apr 09 09:22:31 :) Apr 09 09:22:37 im happy we got arabic now Apr 09 09:25:24 hi Apr 09 09:25:37 Ainulindale: flashing latest lite image right now. gone for a few hours though, lunch with my wife who has birthday today Apr 09 09:25:49 faster resume would be very welcome Apr 09 09:25:54 dcordes-kais: hey Apr 09 09:26:33 there was some patch in the kernel lsit that did totally away with those text vt's Apr 09 09:26:52 which apparently made reusme even faster as there were no text mode switches Apr 09 09:38:13 Ainulindale the translation files have all the stuff to localize shr ? Apr 09 09:38:30 gfather: the only other thing needed is to add the language to configure.ac Apr 09 09:38:38 and I'm talking about lfp-efl here Apr 09 09:38:41 not "SHR" in general Apr 09 09:39:12 ok , so translate teh files , and edit configure.ac Apr 09 09:39:17 anything els ? Apr 09 09:39:27 what about the keybord ? Apr 09 09:39:28 there's an example of the patch on git.shr-project.org Apr 09 09:39:37 You have to build a bb file for the arabic keyboard IMHO Apr 09 09:40:26 ok Apr 09 09:41:18 i think i shoul do the keybord before anything Apr 09 09:52:35 ЮЯ № Apr 09 09:52:38 Woops Apr 09 09:59:57 Ainulindale, are you by any chance proficient with autotools? Apr 09 10:00:10 Well might be Apr 09 10:00:12 ok Apr 09 10:00:13 Not sure though =) Apr 09 10:00:20 I'm using chekc_moduels Apr 09 10:00:23 modules Apr 09 10:00:27 now it's a requirement Apr 09 10:00:32 i.e if the module isn't found Apr 09 10:00:35 it won't go on Apr 09 10:00:43 though I want to make it optional Apr 09 10:00:49 i.e if not found, ok, if found, even better Apr 09 10:00:53 how do I do that? Apr 09 10:01:08 Reading the manual would be a good idea Apr 09 10:01:22 Because that's mostly what I would do Apr 09 10:02:17 that's always a good idea. Apr 09 10:02:18 ;] Apr 09 10:41:43 ok Ainulindale still here? Apr 09 10:46:07 anyone here knows his way around shr-overlay? Apr 09 10:49:11 I'm here Apr 09 10:49:27 cool Apr 09 10:49:41 hm.. how can I should I put the evas patch? Apr 09 10:49:49 I mean, I'm not sure I even get how overlay even works. Apr 09 10:49:52 see the patches directory? Apr 09 10:49:59 Check any patch, you'll understand quickly Apr 09 10:50:04 ok Apr 09 10:50:05 thanks. Apr 09 10:52:56 Well damn, I can't find a patch someone posted to clear the loglevel of the kernel somewhere Apr 09 10:54:13 Hire? Apr 09 10:55:50 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r1f7acaee18d3 10/framework/persist.py: persist: having no persist data for a subsystem is not an error Apr 09 11:03:33 Ainulindale, my yesterdays patch had typo mistake, plz apply this http://maxposedon.org/0001-typo-fix-in-libframeworkd-phonegui-efl-s-ru.po.patch also, sorry). Apr 09 11:10:44 max_posedon: that patch is for this commit http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr.git;a=commit;h=a62e861ccf5d0d2aaa1866e1b73827de6d4830be ? Apr 09 11:11:03 dos1, yes Apr 09 11:11:20 max_posedon: so i will apply it ;) Apr 09 11:11:29 nice, thanks! Apr 09 11:12:22 Good, less work for me Apr 09 11:12:45 Ainulindale, to tell you the truth Apr 09 11:12:48 I have no idea. Apr 09 11:12:49 ;] Apr 09 11:12:57 (and no time to get an idea) Apr 09 11:13:06 FOr the patches? Apr 09 11:13:10 max_posedon, Ainulindale: done Apr 09 11:13:12 aye. Apr 09 11:13:15 tried reading some Apr 09 11:13:17 TAsn: Ok, then I'll tell you Apr 09 11:13:22 cool. Apr 09 11:13:25 thanks. Apr 09 11:13:26 http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=patches/efl1/001-rm-elementary_test-desktop-file.patch;h=43d30e974651c563bc503b05b91d6f8a798b136b;hb=HEAD Apr 09 11:13:27 and sorry. Apr 09 11:13:30 See that? Apr 09 11:13:33 yes. Apr 09 11:13:35 generate your patch from OE root Apr 09 11:13:43 then drop it in a new dir in patches Apr 09 11:13:46 name it evas for instance Apr 09 11:13:51 but my patch doesn't apply on Apr 09 11:13:57 On the sources? Apr 09 11:13:57 the bb Apr 09 11:13:59 yes. Apr 09 11:14:09 Well it can Apr 09 11:14:15 Put the patch in your OE dir Apr 09 11:14:20 Modify the bb file to consider the patch Apr 09 11:14:30 Then generate the OE patch Apr 09 11:14:45 oh, so just modify the bb, add the patch Apr 09 11:14:49 it should be put in a subdir named after the bb file Apr 09 11:14:51 and then git --dff Apr 09 11:14:52 ? Apr 09 11:15:00 You should already know that for applying patches in a bb recipe Apr 09 11:15:01 in oe root Apr 09 11:15:04 (do you know how to?) Apr 09 11:15:09 (no) Apr 09 11:15:10 ;] Apr 09 11:15:11 well Apr 09 11:15:20 packages/dummy/dummy.bb Apr 09 11:15:40 should explain everything? Apr 09 11:15:43 packages/dummy/dummy/dummy/patch.patch Apr 09 11:15:52 -dummy/ Apr 09 11:16:12 from oe dir? Apr 09 11:16:13 (wait I'm on the phone) Apr 09 11:16:30 no pack dummy. Apr 09 11:16:43 (that was an example) Apr 09 11:17:08 oh, I though there's actually a dummy pack ;] Apr 09 11:17:25 so I can learn from. Apr 09 11:17:34 so Apr 09 11:17:40 bah, well, I'll try my best. Apr 09 11:17:40 Let us say I have a bb recipe named dummy.bb Apr 09 11:17:50 it's in packages/dummy/dummy.bb Apr 09 11:18:10 I have to put the patches in packages/dummy/dummy/patches.patch Apr 09 11:18:17 Then put them in the SRC_URI Apr 09 11:18:57 http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=openembedded/packages/frameworkd-config-shr/frameworkd-config-shr_git.bb;h=4a030bdfa67425fbb9bea14a22a189d92a8afc22;hb=HEAD Apr 09 11:19:01 see that Apr 09 11:19:28 sec. Apr 09 11:19:32 For a patch you must use ;patch=pnum Apr 09 11:19:38 with pnum being the -pX Apr 09 11:19:46 oh ok. Apr 09 11:19:47 so ;patch=1 for -p1 Apr 09 11:19:55 so what you need to do Apr 09 11:20:03 first create a subdir named after the bb file Apr 09 11:20:10 it'll probably be packages/e17/evas Apr 09 11:20:17 My guess is that it's already there Apr 09 11:20:24 Drop your patch in it Apr 09 11:20:33 Modify the bb file to add your patch to SRC_URI Apr 09 11:20:40 then generate the diff for the tree Apr 09 11:20:49 test if your bb file is applying the patch correctly Apr 09 11:21:07 then put your diff of the tree in a subdir evas in patches/ in shr-overlay Apr 09 11:21:10 Am I clear? Apr 09 11:21:17 SRC_URI = "URI \ Apr 09 11:21:17 file://evas/patch.patch;patch=0" Apr 09 11:21:18 ? Apr 09 11:21:25 yeah, you are clear. Apr 09 11:21:28 without evaS/ Apr 09 11:21:37 it's automatically considering $PN as the root of the files Apr 09 11:21:43 (here $PN = evas) Apr 09 11:21:48 (or whatever the package is named) Apr 09 11:21:54 oh, ok. Apr 09 11:22:03 So first drop your patch in this dir Apr 09 11:22:05 Modify the bb file Apr 09 11:22:13 bitbake -b evas.bb -c rebuild Apr 09 11:22:17 Check it's working Apr 09 11:22:23 then in your OE root Apr 09 11:22:29 generate the git diff Apr 09 11:23:21 It's truly simple once you understand how bb works and how the overlay works Apr 09 11:26:19 Ainulindale: i suspect that the way shr makefile works can lead to misterious build failures because in many parts there are no checks if the previous operation (e.g. git fetch) failed. Apr 09 11:27:55 PaulFertser: I thought there was Apr 09 11:28:05 ok, Ainulindale Apr 09 11:28:08 one last question. Apr 09 11:28:31 Ainulindale: ";" to separate shell commands doesn't fulfill the purpose ;) Apr 09 11:28:41 Ah maybe mrmoku changed that Apr 09 11:28:43 the bb requires a dep which I have already added the .bb for Apr 09 11:28:44 fribidi Apr 09 11:28:48 everything is cool, right? Apr 09 11:28:51 I think rwhitby did it properly at first Apr 09 11:28:56 TAsn: yep Apr 09 11:29:06 Anyway, TAsn Apr 09 11:29:07 Test it locally Apr 09 11:29:09 If it fails Apr 09 11:29:13 You'l know who to complain to Apr 09 11:29:15 +l Apr 09 11:29:24 I already have fribidi in staging here... Apr 09 11:29:28 so that's why I'm asking. Apr 09 11:29:33 I am testing it locally. Apr 09 11:29:40 Normally, it won't fail Apr 09 11:29:50 Anyway I'll generate an image Apr 09 11:29:57 PaulFertser: by any chance Apr 09 11:30:05 Did you see a mail talking about patches for klogd ? Apr 09 11:30:12 to lower the loglevel of the kernel Apr 09 11:30:15 I can't find it Apr 09 11:30:20 Ainulindale: no, for no apparent reason i don't read shr mailing list :-/ Apr 09 11:30:37 Ah ! Found it Apr 09 11:30:39 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/351 Apr 09 11:31:20 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r4e06384680d8 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd/networkdb: each network must have an MNC Apr 09 11:31:42 I'm wondering how I should apply that properly Apr 09 11:37:02 Would any of you remember how to fix the sato-icon-theme issue? Apr 09 11:39:38 Ainulindale, should I also up the rev? Apr 09 11:40:04 or it builds from scratch every time? Apr 09 11:41:33 You have to up the rev. Apr 09 11:41:35 (PR) Apr 09 11:43:56 yeah. Apr 09 11:44:06 hm. doesn't apply the patch ;\ Apr 09 11:44:07 it* Apr 09 11:44:26 SRC_URI+="file://add_rtl_compositing_arabic.patch;patch=0" Apr 09 11:44:38 (inherit efl populates it before...) Apr 09 11:44:51 add a \n Apr 09 11:45:01 SRC_URI += " Apr 09 11:45:09 file://add_rtl_compositing_arabic.patch;patch=0" Apr 09 11:45:17 I think this was causing some problems Apr 09 11:45:46 Or better Apr 09 11:45:56 Do SRC_URI_append = " file://..." Apr 09 11:46:01 (don't forget the space) Apr 09 11:46:13 and a space at the end too Apr 09 11:48:45 doing src_uri_appened Apr 09 11:48:49 made it get only my patch Apr 09 11:48:59 getting nothing from svn. Apr 09 11:50:21 (I used spaces) Apr 09 11:50:31 pastebin the recipe please Apr 09 11:51:13 sec, there might be another problem. Apr 09 11:52:00 nvm the last issue. Apr 09 11:59:52 mickey|zzZZzz, alphaone : cherry-picked 05bb6725ac4711d12d3de543cf919baf04066c00 on fso/ms5.5 Apr 09 12:00:04 hi Im building the andy-tracking kernel for the first time and i got the following error Apr 09 12:00:12 /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-ld: unrecognized option '-Wl,-rpath-link,/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib' Apr 09 12:00:38 do I have to modify the build script? Apr 09 12:01:07 mickey|zzZZzz, alphaone (sato-icon-theme thingy) Apr 09 12:01:30 Ainulindale: looks good :-) Apr 09 12:01:39 Yeah I was bored with that issue Apr 09 12:03:25 back Apr 09 12:04:17 Ainulindale: with that theme issue. I believe the reason is that the theme_01.bb "requires" the "themexxx.inc". In the theme.inc file it "requires theme.inc" Apr 09 12:04:36 which will of course include itself infinitely Apr 09 12:05:03 the weird thing is the changelog shows last change in 2007 or so, so I don't know what that pops up now Apr 09 12:06:12 ahh, see it was changed already Apr 09 12:06:55 flashed latest lite-image Apr 09 12:07:10 resume seems significantly faster. Great Apr 09 12:07:45 I still have tons ons shr-settings icons in there. I also don't see the shr settings stuff in the illume wrench (or I don't know where to look) Apr 09 12:08:04 spaetz: already corrected Apr 09 12:08:17 and I still have the elementary_test icon on the desktop although I added a patch to remove it yesterday Apr 09 12:08:25 spaetz: I'll correct the settings icons soon Apr 09 12:08:28 (perhaps we ned to rebuild elementary manually) Apr 09 12:08:30 and you added it after I built the image Apr 09 12:08:35 ahh, ok Apr 09 12:08:35 Did you change PR? Apr 09 12:08:39 In your patch Apr 09 12:09:23 cool then. I beleive I did not. I should have bumped by .1 or so. Apr 09 12:09:39 But I only thought of that after the fact today Apr 09 12:09:44 Well let me solve that Apr 09 12:10:14 bumping the PR by 1 is probably not the best way, as upstream will probably always bump by 1, right? Apr 09 12:10:32 (well, we would get merge issues if they bump anyway, so not important) Apr 09 12:10:49 thanks Apr 09 12:11:10 spaetz: you can -force-depends remove shr-settings-addons-illume Apr 09 12:11:34 Azog: it doesn't work without -force-depends? Apr 09 12:11:52 shr-settings depends on it Apr 09 12:11:59 Azog: I'm in the process of solving this Apr 09 12:12:03 hmm... it recomends... or maybe i did something wrong Apr 09 12:12:05 ;x Apr 09 12:12:28 it only worked with -force-depends for me Apr 09 12:12:50 dos1: where should the shr settings show up in the illume wrench? Apr 09 12:12:56 spaetz: in the end IIRC Apr 09 12:13:13 spaetz: on last tab, "System" Apr 09 12:13:23 mmh, rebooting. will check in a sec Apr 09 12:15:02 Ainulindale, it's there. Apr 09 12:15:23 SHR: 03tom 07shr-overlay * r3d1cdc87bc44 10/patches/efl1/0001-Added-the-libevas-patch-for-rtl-and-more.patch: adedd the libevas patch for rtl, compositing and arabic contexting Apr 09 12:15:45 TAsn: Ok then I'll update & try Apr 09 12:15:48 raster: ping Apr 09 12:16:07 I don't have a "System" tab in the illume prefs Apr 09 12:16:14 "Extensions" is the last one... Apr 09 12:16:36 and this is a stock flash of the last -lite image Apr 09 12:16:40 error: recipes/efl1/evas.inc: No such file or directory Apr 09 12:16:49 TAsn: you weren't working on the proper OE branch Apr 09 12:17:09 huh? Apr 09 12:17:25 should have been packages? Apr 09 12:17:33 packages Apr 09 12:17:41 sec. Apr 09 12:17:43 it's called that in FSO-MS5.5 Apr 09 12:17:53 TAsn: already pushed Apr 09 12:18:02 what is? your fix? Apr 09 12:18:02 SHR: 03ainulindale 07shr-overlay * rc1925aa083af 10/patches/efl1/0001-Added-the-libevas-patch-for-rtl-and-more.patch: EFL patch: s/recipes/packages/g Apr 09 12:18:06 cool. Apr 09 12:18:07 ;] Apr 09 12:18:12 thanks. Apr 09 12:18:20 spaetz: "System" tab is only displayed when there are available icons to display in it Apr 09 12:18:23 Although we'll need to support both soon, libeflvala is in "recipes", the rest in "packages" Apr 09 12:18:31 spaetz: we talked about that Apr 09 12:18:43 dos1: well, all the shr icons are displayed on my .desktop Apr 09 12:18:46 so they are there Apr 09 12:18:49 spaetz: with broken menu file (menu-freesmartphone) that's normal :P Apr 09 12:18:54 ok, then Apr 09 12:19:01 or rather not ok :) Apr 09 12:19:20 spaetz: Ainulindale is working on using right file (e-wm-menu) Apr 09 12:20:05 yep, please wait a bit I'm doing other stuff such as testing TAsn patch Apr 09 12:20:14 which he'll test as soon as a new image will hit the buildhost Apr 09 12:20:39 Would any of you know if there are keyboards packages available in OE for illume? Apr 09 12:20:48 Because if that's not the case, I'd like someone to package them Apr 09 12:22:07 other than the standard keyboard? I don't think so but I'm not sure Apr 09 12:22:16 I would like to see qwo in OE Apr 09 12:23:14 qwo? Apr 09 12:23:29 Ainulindale: * Failed to download kernel-module-ebt-among. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? Apr 09 12:23:44 Ainulindale: and similar with every kernel package Apr 09 12:24:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qwo (there's a couple of ipkg's out there) Apr 09 12:24:35 screenshot http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Qwo-extra.png Apr 09 12:25:51 there's a trac ticket on qwo in the shr trac (filed by someone else= Apr 09 12:25:53 ) Apr 09 12:27:15 dos1: let me rebuild in peace or I'll kill you :-) Apr 09 12:27:37 ;D Apr 09 12:27:46 raster, pm me when you are here. Apr 09 12:28:22 fribidi installing Apr 09 12:29:32 TAsn: raster is on #e Apr 09 12:29:40 ok will contact him soon. Apr 09 12:29:41 TAsn: he said something few seconds ago Apr 09 12:29:41 ;D Apr 09 12:29:47 thanks. Apr 09 12:30:19 raster: wake up, lazy wh^Horking guy Apr 09 12:32:03 Ainulindale: 22:31 at Sydney!! Apr 09 12:32:46 ~seen raster Apr 09 12:32:46 raster is currently on #openmoko-cdevel (2d 11h 18m 5s). Has said a total of 215 messages. Is idling for 1d 2h 17m 57s, last said: 'TAsn: yup. :)'. Apr 09 12:33:02 DocScrutinizer: I don't care! Apr 09 12:33:10 * Package libelementary-tests md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'. Apr 09 12:33:21 spaetz: Do you want me to kill you using dos1's remains? Apr 09 12:33:30 yes, please :) Apr 09 12:33:31 ahahahahaha Apr 09 12:33:43 LET ME REBUILD IN PEACE! Apr 09 12:34:08 Or I'll rebuild you with piss. Apr 09 12:34:17 And you won't enjoy that. Apr 09 12:34:24 * Dave rolls his eyes Apr 09 12:34:28 i ran away Apr 09 12:34:29 AWAY! Apr 09 12:34:50 moin rasterman! :) Apr 09 12:35:34 raster: TAsn has a patch for e Apr 09 12:35:38 for arabic support Apr 09 12:35:41 (notably) Apr 09 12:35:43 he knows Apr 09 12:35:50 I'm talking with him in pm. Apr 09 12:35:55 I'd bet he does Apr 09 12:35:55 Good boy. Apr 09 12:35:56 kinky ;D Apr 09 12:36:03 Joerg :P Apr 09 12:36:08 * raster gets his kick on Apr 09 12:36:09 dave :) Apr 09 12:36:10 TAsn: FYI, he likes to be whipped Apr 09 12:36:11 err Apr 09 12:36:13 * raster gets his kink on Apr 09 12:36:22 Ainulindale, when will you finish building the image. Apr 09 12:36:24 * Dave laughs Apr 09 12:36:24 ? Apr 09 12:36:25 TAsn: i thought you hate l2r Apr 09 12:36:30 he also likes GTK but he hides it well Apr 09 12:36:33 I hate r2l Apr 09 12:36:39 wow Apr 09 12:36:41 TAsn: in about 10-20 minutes I'd say Apr 09 12:36:42 ah sry Apr 09 12:36:43 yeah Apr 09 12:36:46 fuck rtl Apr 09 12:36:50 yes that's what i meant Apr 09 12:36:54 What are you, a terrorist? Apr 09 12:36:57 and now you implement it? Apr 09 12:36:59 nice Apr 09 12:37:01 brb food. Apr 09 12:37:38 Dave: isn't there a lil terrorist in all of us Apr 09 12:37:43 * bumbl hides Apr 09 12:37:47 Ainulindale: dont jok. just have been living thru some gtk hell Apr 09 12:37:54 and wishing i had evas Apr 09 12:38:45 raster read pm. Apr 09 12:38:47 hmm i need to buy a new productive box Apr 09 12:38:52 brb food <- now for real Apr 09 12:39:04 my laptop isn't as it lives on the edge Apr 09 12:39:10 ;)( Apr 09 12:41:33 TAsn: I'd be glad if you posted the news about your patch on the blog/ml Apr 09 12:41:39 when it's tested and working Apr 09 12:42:28 TAsn: ptw. awesome job on tackling RTL text :) Apr 09 12:48:01 Hey! Apr 09 12:48:05 I want to be flattered too! Apr 09 12:48:11 I washed myself today! Apr 09 12:50:20 Ainulindale, I and PaulFertser want (if we finished our visa quests) visit FSOSHRUDCON'09 Apr 09 12:50:34 Well we would be really glad :-) Apr 09 12:50:40 Did you put your names on the list? Apr 09 12:50:59 If that's not the case, then do that and mail stefan_schmidt for accomodation (hotel?) Apr 09 12:51:19 Ainulindale, is it up? Apr 09 12:51:29 we should? - I'll. We already contating with DocScrutinizer for helping us with our visa quest... Apr 09 12:51:38 *contacting* Apr 09 12:51:40 TAsn: no, I have to manually clean stuff due to the vala issue Apr 09 12:51:46 Ainulindale, I'll post about it. Apr 09 12:51:55 max_posedon: well then ask him to tell stefan to count you in f or the hotel Apr 09 12:52:05 Ainulindale, when will it be up? (I want to download the new image, since this one is packed with hackish crap I did) Apr 09 12:52:17 PaulFertser: I expect you to help me with ы and р Apr 09 12:52:29 If we see each other :-) Apr 09 12:52:35 raster, ping! Apr 09 12:52:36 TAsn: When it's done Apr 09 12:52:48 duh. Apr 09 12:52:56 I meant how much time left? Apr 09 12:52:56 Ainulindale: it proved to be not an easy task (i was practicing on a russian guy who can't say R properly), but i'll promise you i'll do my best :) Apr 09 12:53:27 PaulFertser: Thanks to my girlfriend I now know how to insult you (картошка) Apr 09 12:53:35 Although it's feable as an insult Apr 09 12:53:49 But still Apr 09 12:53:54 Ainulindale: not insulting at all :p Apr 09 12:54:06 I call her that just to tease her off Apr 09 12:54:07 Ainulindale: i can teach you some really insulting words ;) Apr 09 12:54:27 Because she didn't like me to call her "andouille" which is a french sausage which stinks, but also used as a friendly way to say "stupid" Apr 09 12:54:41 Anyway, all of our insults are related to food Apr 09 12:54:43 (almost) Apr 09 12:54:59 Ainulindale: :) food-driven relations Apr 09 12:54:59 i learned that the ы has to be a i/y that comes from the inside (is that true) Apr 09 12:57:09 like и, but with the tongue positioned far lower Apr 09 12:57:16 bumbl: yeah, looks like that. "o" is when throat is fully open, to say "i" you close it a bit and use your tongue. is inbetween. Apr 09 12:59:22 * spaetz thinks my irssi lost its utf-8 capabilities some time ago. Apr 09 12:59:35 aww :p Apr 09 12:59:36 * spaetz sees loads of question marks Apr 09 12:59:56 o_O Apr 09 12:59:56 hmm Apr 09 13:00:01 öäü Apr 09 13:01:37 spaetz: příšerně žluťoučký kůň úpěl ďábelské ódy... any better? :-P Apr 09 13:02:11 ばか! Apr 09 13:02:25 dent: hehe, I really need to do sth about it: spaetz: p??????ern?? ??lu??ou??k?? k???? ??p??l ??belsk?? ??dy... any better? Apr 09 13:02:37 גם אני יודע שפה אקזוטית!!! Apr 09 13:02:38 ;] Apr 09 13:02:40 utf8 rulez Apr 09 13:02:42 spaetz: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/4241248.txt Apr 09 13:02:43 It used to work just fine Apr 09 13:02:44 spaetz: ????, ???? UTF8 ???x?? - ?? f?ck ??? ;D? Apr 09 13:02:55 TAsn: I understand the "!"s... but that's about all :) Apr 09 13:03:00 hmm i seem to not have fonts installed for that what raster wrote Apr 09 13:03:01 ;] Apr 09 13:03:04 as i get [] Apr 09 13:03:05 Ainulindale: WTF? Why? I build this this morning Apr 09 13:03:10 the rest appears fine Apr 09 13:03:37 TAsn: yet I guess I have some familiarity with א... Apr 09 13:03:45 ;] Apr 09 13:03:48 hehe Apr 09 13:03:49 spaetz: well your little trick with 0.7.0 may have broken things :-) Apr 09 13:03:51 bumbl: looks like you have problems with utf8 Apr 09 13:04:16 bumbl: as i can see everythings chars, except yours (only question marks) Apr 09 13:04:27 TAsn: RTL - WTF!! and even seems to work ;D Apr 09 13:04:40 Ainulindale: I have removed all SHR related vala packages as they are on OE now, I build the OE vala to make sure it compiles before committing Apr 09 13:04:48 dos1: really? Apr 09 13:04:53 spaetz: well as you can see.. Apr 09 13:04:54 DocScrutinizer, the wonders of gtk ;] Apr 09 13:04:58 peko :) Apr 09 13:05:01 äüö with ? Apr 09 13:05:07 gfather, ask Ainulindale Apr 09 13:05:10 he knows. Apr 09 13:05:16 ah :) Apr 09 13:05:17 ask what? Apr 09 13:05:26 when the image will be up ? Apr 09 13:05:32 dos1: as i can read everything anybody was writing except that of raster Apr 09 13:05:34 When I'll solve this vala issue Apr 09 13:05:36 will you mary me :) Apr 09 13:05:37 Ainulindale: ANSWER!! not ask another Q! Apr 09 13:05:38 Ainulindale: in that case, I'll just revert to go back using our packages. But then we won't be able to build that vala branch on FSO Apr 09 13:05:40 Ainulindale, you have fans ;] Apr 09 13:05:45 spaetz: wait Apr 09 13:05:54 Please don't rush into things Apr 09 13:05:58 bumbl: no... i need some sleep... i don't know why i said it to you Apr 09 13:05:58 Let me analyze the situation first Apr 09 13:06:15 bumbl: i wanted to say it to spaetz, but he knows about his problems... Apr 09 13:06:21 bumbl: i type faster than i think :D Apr 09 13:06:21 dos1: you evil boy you ;) Apr 09 13:06:28 hmm Apr 09 13:06:43 spaetz: would you happen to know which package delivers valac? vala-boostrap, I'd say, no? Apr 09 13:06:45 but i type slow Apr 09 13:06:47 * bumbl gets his laptop and goes on the balcony Apr 09 13:06:50 so my thinking is... really slow :x Apr 09 13:06:52 s/stra/tstra/ Apr 09 13:06:52 Ainulindale meant: spaetz: would you happen to know which package delivers valac? vala-bootstrap, I'd say, no? Apr 09 13:07:05 bumbl: nice euphemism for the toilets Apr 09 13:07:26 dos1: does this mean your thinking is even faster than geotectonics? ;P Apr 09 13:07:32 vala-native and vala-native-bootstrap (or vala-bootstrap-native) both deliver valac Apr 09 13:07:49 bootstrap is just using a release tarball that contains .c files Apr 09 13:07:57 bumbl: 臭いーー外人 Apr 09 13:07:58 then I'll compile it to give it a try Apr 09 13:08:03 raster: SQUARE YOURSEELF Apr 09 13:08:09 while vala-native defaults to a git version that needs a valac installed already Apr 09 13:08:24 raster: hehe, no japanese swearwords please ;D Apr 09 13:08:26 DocScrutinizer: i don't know, i must think about it :D Apr 09 13:08:34 raster: [] [] [] [] [] [] squares over squares ;) Apr 09 13:08:34 dodlol Apr 09 13:08:43 dos1: lol Apr 09 13:08:44 Ainulindale: ;) Apr 09 13:09:03 bumbl: get yourself a decent IRC-client! Apr 09 13:09:04 i wouldn't take my laptopp to the toilet, would you? Apr 09 13:09:05 Ainulindale pleas notify me , when its ready Apr 09 13:09:11 DocScrutinizer: "dodlol", "death of da lol" ? Apr 09 13:09:12 DocScrutinizer: irssi is decent Apr 09 13:09:13 Ainulindale: くそフランス人! Apr 09 13:09:23 raster: Yes, I will marry you Apr 09 13:09:32 bumbl: of course I would Apr 09 13:09:34 rotfl Apr 09 13:09:38 hahahahah Apr 09 13:09:42 bumbl: If I spent more than a minute there Apr 09 13:09:47 Which is not the case Apr 09 13:09:49 dodrotfl Apr 09 13:09:49 ;] Apr 09 13:10:02 toilet = c't Apr 09 13:10:04 spaetz: be wary with your build tree Apr 09 13:10:09 remove the old vala packages Apr 09 13:10:16 else you'll have bad surprises Apr 09 13:10:21 (a german computer paapeer) Apr 09 13:10:28 (by old I mean the newest) Apr 09 13:10:30 (0.7) Apr 09 13:10:35 THE ... paper Apr 09 13:10:41 well Apr 09 13:10:44 and by newest I mean the old new which is not new compared to the old Apr 09 13:10:47 it sometimes sucks hard Apr 09 13:10:50 Or maybe the other way around Apr 09 13:11:01 but that's why it is perfect for toilet ;) Apr 09 13:11:27 really poor papaer quality for that, bumbl ! Apr 09 13:12:00 DocScrutinizer: some editors need a german class Apr 09 13:12:32 that's goddamn true Apr 09 13:12:46 getting worse year after year Apr 09 13:12:50 :/ Apr 09 13:13:01 Ok it went throught spaetz Apr 09 13:13:05 Just because I'm worth it Apr 09 13:13:11 I think Apr 09 13:13:16 I can't see any other reason Apr 09 13:13:40 going throught with the image now Apr 09 13:13:47 -t Apr 09 13:14:14 DocScrutinizer: i think in the magazine before the actual it really got me mad that some articles were written in computerbild style