**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 13 02:59:58 2009 Apr 13 03:05:45 raster: I figured out a way around my problem. Thanks for the help earlier Apr 13 03:06:27 Night all. Apr 13 04:22:34 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * rb9488c214fd1 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/interfaces.vala: Apr 13 04:22:34 freesmartphone.org: Add Info Interface Apr 13 04:22:34 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Sudharshan 'Sup3rkiddo' S Apr 13 04:22:35 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * racfe7d4ea1b4 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/Makefile.am: Apr 13 04:22:37 freesmartphone.org: Fix a build error due to missing package inclusion Apr 13 04:22:39 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Sudharshan 'Sup3rkiddo' S Apr 13 04:22:41 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * rfcedfc687954 10/fsodeviced/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Apr 13 04:22:44 freesmartphone.org: Add Info plugin Apr 13 04:22:46 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Sudharshan 'Sup3rkiddo' S Apr 13 05:18:32 morning Apr 13 05:21:36 moin Apr 13 05:53:46 during build of shr-testing, get the error "maximum recursion depth exceeded while parsing ... What did i have to change? Apr 13 06:17:00 ok found it. Now build is running Apr 13 06:50:44 good morning :) Apr 13 07:27:01 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra21ea39cc5cb 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: set default speaker volume to maximum. Closes FSO #398 Apr 13 07:38:37 gfather: you are using shr, right? Apr 13 07:38:47 yes Apr 13 07:38:59 where would be the best point if i want to help with it? Apr 13 07:39:20 i didnt undertsand :) Apr 13 07:39:51 where is the best place for help about shr Apr 13 07:39:59 well i want to help getting it towards stable release Apr 13 07:40:31 and to have the functionality needed for such a smartphone Apr 13 07:41:15 Gorbusch wich way you want to help ? Apr 13 07:41:30 like i mean , maybe you can send them money Apr 13 07:41:40 funding will always help :) Apr 13 07:41:47 im sure they will need it Apr 13 07:42:15 well create patches, fixing bugs, create new things Apr 13 07:42:33 but i'm not sure where is the best starting point for this Apr 13 07:42:50 well then im sure if you speak to one of shr members , they will be happy with ur help Apr 13 07:43:15 did you speak with dos1 ? Apr 13 07:43:52 not yet. Will try when he is back online Apr 13 07:45:41 ask for shr members see who is online , and tell them Apr 13 07:45:44 :) Apr 13 07:56:04 mickeyl: who do i report errors in the OE documentation to? Apr 13 08:28:15 Gorbusch: pick any of trac.shr-project.org and fix it Apr 13 08:28:28 improve shr-settings Apr 13 08:28:54 we need a bug wrangler Apr 13 08:29:22 phone apps need love (and ophonekit a vala rewrite) Apr 13 08:31:51 spaetz: ok will begin with the bugs & handling Apr 13 08:32:22 ah happy ending :) Apr 13 08:33:19 spaetz do you have info about shr localization ? Apr 13 09:26:46 i built and am running eve! yay Apr 13 09:27:54 budfive: with bitbake? Apr 13 09:28:30 not yet Apr 13 09:28:42 first i want to play with this thing that i built and see if it's worth it Apr 13 09:28:59 did you ever get it running? Apr 13 09:33:29 eve? no Apr 13 09:33:33 only ewww Apr 13 09:35:06 oh wait. i built the wrong thing Apr 13 09:35:17 i have the webkit running in a skeleton program Apr 13 09:35:33 seems quick, but there are no controls. Apr 13 09:36:07 ah. wrong branch. trying again. i'll package this thing if it's ready Apr 13 09:43:15 hi Apr 13 09:43:46 hello David Apr 13 09:43:56 how are you ? Apr 13 09:43:59 Deubeuliou: I might have some spare time during the week :) Apr 13 09:44:06 Deubeuliou: fine and you ? Apr 13 09:44:07 aha :) Apr 13 09:44:11 budfive: how does midori work if you've tried it? Apr 13 09:44:14 very good Apr 13 09:45:52 and now I've got a 3h45 autonomy now so I'm good for a sunny afternoon in a garden :D Apr 13 09:46:14 it works fine Apr 13 09:46:25 i've heard that eve is magic, though Apr 13 09:46:38 they're both webkit, so maybe they're not that different; i don't know Apr 13 09:46:48 Deubeuliou: yet I'm still fighting to make OE run above Gentoo-Prefix/MacOSX Apr 13 09:47:04 Deubeuliou: but yet I'm on the good way Apr 13 09:47:34 Gentoo/MacOS ?? Apr 13 09:47:43 what do you mean ? Apr 13 09:48:16 Deubeuliou: Gentoo-Prefix over MacOSX Apr 13 09:49:33 oh, I didn't know that. does it compiles gentoo packages for MacOS ? Apr 13 09:49:40 yeah Apr 13 09:49:42 :D Apr 13 09:49:46 wow, great :D Apr 13 09:50:01 however no kernel Apr 13 09:50:09 of course Apr 13 09:50:17 but everything above baselayout and coreutils (included) Apr 13 09:51:41 raster: ping Apr 13 09:51:41 but the coreutils are already included in MacOS X, aren't they ? Apr 13 09:52:41 i thought osx used (free?)bsd's userland Apr 13 09:53:28 Deubeuliou: lots of things are already included in MacOS X but gentoo-prefix reemerges then for safety Apr 13 09:53:35 'k Apr 13 09:53:48 along to all the toolchain (binutils, gcc, ...) and core libraries (glibc, ...) Apr 13 09:54:19 it really is a complete gentoo (with no linux kernel) :D Apr 13 09:55:01 you have a X server and gnome over it, for instance ? Apr 13 09:55:36 I did not setup that as I wanted to run console only stuff (like oe) Apr 13 09:55:47 ok Apr 13 09:56:14 but in fact it appears lots of the gnome stuff is in ~arch so this means some did already run successfully Apr 13 09:56:18 is there an unstable image anyone would reccommend? Apr 13 09:56:31 a friend of mine just lost his OS X installation but since he uses gentoo, he would have been interrested :/ Apr 13 09:56:31 the 4/9 image didn't have sound Apr 13 09:56:45 (SHR) Apr 13 09:57:53 someone knowing perl can tell me how to print a $variable value ? for debug pruposes ? Apr 13 09:58:33 ptitjes: heh? print "$variable" Apr 13 09:58:53 ptitjes: you were asking something much more complicated, right? Apr 13 09:59:47 sth like php's "print_r" ? Apr 13 09:59:54 (sorry, I don't know perl at all) Apr 13 10:01:38 gurugentoo: bullshit Apr 13 10:01:44 gurugentoo: you just have to do depmpd -a and reboot Apr 13 10:01:48 depmod Apr 13 10:02:11 budfive: maybe not... trying that :) Apr 13 10:02:12 gurugentoo: depmod -a Apr 13 10:02:17 Ainulindale: hello Apr 13 10:02:53 Hey. Apr 13 10:03:31 Ainulindale: adding i386-darwin siteinfo definition in classes/siteinfo.bbclass helped a lot!!! :D Apr 13 10:03:59 Having a real i386 would help a lot MORE Apr 13 10:04:40 MAC FLAME!!! Apr 13 10:05:15 budfive: in fact print makes oe freeze Apr 13 10:05:28 not freeze but hang Apr 13 10:06:13 * ptitjes sets his Ainulindale-specific stupid sentences filter ON Apr 13 10:06:25 dos1: who needs those foul apples anyway ;) Apr 13 10:06:34 just ignore them Apr 13 10:06:41 ptitjes: ok... you were printing to stdout. maybe you wanted to print to stderr? print STDERR "$variable" Apr 13 10:07:25 * ptitjes sets its channel droppings umbrella ON Apr 13 10:07:35 bumbl: i agree ;) Apr 13 10:09:46 budfive: perfect!! Apr 13 10:09:52 thank you very much Apr 13 10:11:11 Ainulindale: btw, can you give me t access to closing trac tickets? Apr 13 10:11:16 ptitjes: :) there is perl in OE? Apr 13 10:11:18 already did yesterday Apr 13 10:11:28 ohk fine :) Apr 13 10:12:03 budfive: in fact I modified quilt-native to have oe_runconf --without-getopt Apr 13 10:12:55 budfive: this produces a getopt script from quilt. and this script is a perl script and is obviously failing Apr 13 10:13:01 Ainulindale: sorry, I haven't been hanging around irc lately Apr 13 10:13:13 budfive: unfortunately I'm a perl ignorant Apr 13 10:13:24 gurugentoo: Don't be sorry! Whip yourself! :-) Apr 13 10:13:29 ptitjes: :) It's good to know everything it turns out Apr 13 10:13:31 (Ainulindale would say I'm ignorant on lots of things... but that is so true :D)) Apr 13 10:14:01 Ainulindale: is there a page that documents these tidbits by chance? Apr 13 10:14:07 ptitjes: problem is, if you start fiddling with everything it will undoubtably fail everywhere Apr 13 10:14:16 gurugentoo: well there is the one you're about to start :-) Apr 13 10:14:37 hmm sure why not Apr 13 10:14:51 where should I put it? Apr 13 10:14:54 Ainulindale: I think using the getopt provided by quilt is more portable anyway, else getopt resolves to the platform one Apr 13 10:16:13 gurugentoo: on SHR wiki :-) Apr 13 10:16:50 dos1: do we really need the mo file for shr-settings translations? Apr 13 10:16:55 Ainulindale: here? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release Apr 13 10:16:58 Someone just mailed me the german translation Apr 13 10:17:05 gurugentoo: trac.shr-project.org Apr 13 10:17:13 ah Apr 13 10:17:27 i have a problem on shr-testing, after a few calls, i can't recieve or make calls/sms or open phonelog/contactlist anymore. relaunching ophonekitd doesn't help and /tmp/ophonekitd.log is empty. only help i know so far is rebooting, which is quite annoying 3 times a day... Apr 13 10:19:16 sakkara: what exactly does the contact list do when you try to open it in that state? Apr 13 10:19:35 Ainulindale, hello where SHR .POT files reside? Apr 13 10:20:13 On the wiki you can create them Apr 13 10:20:20 Ainulindale: no, we don't need Apr 13 10:20:37 dos1: Well I'll forward it to you then and leave you to commit it properly :-) Apr 13 10:20:43 Is that ok? Apr 13 10:20:59 budfive: it opens, but no contacts are shown Apr 13 10:21:08 Ainulindale: ok ;) Apr 13 10:21:23 sakkara: it sounds like your modem is no longer responding at AT commands Apr 13 10:21:26 dos1: I asked him to tell us his name for credits, please put that in the commit :-) Apr 13 10:21:42 sakkara: have you always had this problem? Apr 13 10:23:21 budfive: only with the "new" shr-testing i think, but i'm not sure as i didn't use my FR as my only phone in the past Apr 13 10:23:26 ok Apr 13 10:24:05 does anybody know if sakkara could be seeing http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2257? Apr 13 10:24:39 It could also be http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2264, but I only see that using gprs Apr 13 10:24:52 budfive: what does scalar($letter) tests for ? Apr 13 10:25:51 ptitjes: 0, i believe. $letter is a scalar (indicated by $) Apr 13 10:26:13 ptitjes: perl isn't yet completely second nature to me, so i'm not 100% sure. let me see Apr 13 10:27:50 budfive: I hope you know what you're doing answering ptitjes =) Apr 13 10:28:14 Ainulindale: what is the french translation for scalar ? Apr 13 10:28:14 ptitjes: yeah. it really seems like the scalar() is redundant, and the few tests i just ran confirm it. Apr 13 10:28:20 sakkara: are you using gsm0710muxd? Apr 13 10:29:01 ptitjes: in perl scalars are denoted by the $. There could be some corner case this is meant to catch. Let me ask in #perl. I want to know this Apr 13 10:29:15 morning Apr 13 10:29:52 it seems, that there will be a buzzfix-workshop in fsoshrudcon; is it possible to send freerunners there for fixing? Apr 13 10:30:06 budfive: could you look at that perl script http://pastebin.com/m56c3ccbc Apr 13 10:30:25 ptitjes: scalaire Apr 13 10:30:27 ptitjes: ok. what about it? Apr 13 10:30:28 budfive: the scalar test is at line 82 Apr 13 10:30:46 lindi-: how do i know? Apr 13 10:30:57 ptitjes: aaah. it's not scalar($something). it's scalar(@something). big difference Apr 13 10:31:17 (heh) Apr 13 10:31:21 (perl n00b!) Apr 13 10:31:24 ptitjes: @something is a list. scalar(@something) is the length of that list. if that list is empty, scalar(@something) is 0, i.e. false Apr 13 10:31:47 budfive: (scalar(@letters) == 0) seems to return false as it goes in the else block (and fail) Apr 13 10:31:55 on the die Apr 13 10:32:22 right. scalar(@letters) == 0 is false implies that @letters was not empty Apr 13 10:32:25 well this means the option is malformed Apr 13 10:34:53 Ainulindale, budfive: it seems that this only expect numbers after short options Apr 13 10:35:11 however the option value here is "n" Apr 13 10:35:18 -dn Apr 13 10:35:37 arguments to getopts: -o P:d:fp:h Apr 13 10:35:58 options to be parsed: -p1 -f -dn Apr 13 10:36:15 and obviously n does not fits the quilt's getopt: Apr 13 10:36:25 unexpected character n after option d at /Volumes/Data/Work/SHR/shr-unstable/tmp/staging/i386-darwin/usr/share/quilt/compat/getopt line 89. Apr 13 10:36:37 ptitjes: -ab is illegal according to that script, i thinkg Apr 13 10:36:47 yep too bad Apr 13 10:36:49 ptitjes: one dash can only have one letter Apr 13 10:37:07 ptitjes: if you want multiple letters, you want multiple dashes Apr 13 10:37:32 sakkara: ps axuf Apr 13 10:37:48 ptitjes: but what is this script anyway? there is a perl package one generally uses to parse options Apr 13 10:37:57 lindi-: /usr/sbin/gsm0710muxd Apr 13 10:38:09 sakkara: so you are Apr 13 10:38:10 ptitjes: quilt produces this? Apr 13 10:38:14 budfive: it is quilt's provided getopt script Apr 13 10:38:17 lindi-: yeah Apr 13 10:38:32 budfive: and what is funny is that it is used by "quilt import" itself Apr 13 10:38:37 lindi-: u know how to fix the problem? Apr 13 10:38:58 budfive: as you can see this script does not fit quilt itself: Apr 13 10:38:59 Usage: quilt import [-p num] [-P patch] [-f] [-d {o|a|n}] patchfile ... Apr 13 10:39:05 :D Apr 13 10:39:18 how should i go about adding a custom pkg list to say, fso-console-image Apr 13 10:39:22 .bb Apr 13 10:39:23 ptitjes: right. Apr 13 10:39:36 ok I must go now Apr 13 10:39:47 I'll try to fix that this evening Apr 13 10:40:02 budfive: if you have any idea that would be very welcome Apr 13 10:40:16 budfive: I just think about removing the die for now :) Apr 13 10:40:33 c u all!!! Apr 13 10:42:32 ptitjes: can you make a new script? Apr 13 10:42:49 mostly, the script is doing something that should done by the library Apr 13 10:42:50 sakkara: can you use http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/gsm0710muxd.wrap ? Apr 13 10:45:44 mwester: can't see why, but bitbake doesn't see linux-openmoko anymore Apr 13 10:46:17 lindi-: i can try =) Apr 13 10:48:22 Ainulindale: almost forgot http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tidbits Apr 13 10:49:14 Thanks a lot :-) Apr 13 11:07:52 lindi-: after adding the wrap and rebooting, i get no gsm fix. /dev/shm/gsm0710muxd.strace =http://pastebin.com/m7480ebd1 Apr 13 11:08:15 sakkara: hmm, that must be incomplete strace? Apr 13 11:08:36 sakkara: did you copy it all to pastebin? Apr 13 11:08:58 lindi-: do you think it would be useful for him to check for debug messages in the headset? Apr 13 11:09:19 budfive: why not if he has the time to build the cable Apr 13 11:09:32 i still haven't managed to get my AVR log them reliably :) Apr 13 11:10:11 lindi-: building a cable would be great, but I was more referring to listening for clicking to see if there is ANY clicking at all Apr 13 11:10:34 ah Apr 13 11:12:31 lindi-: it was incomplete sry, didn't see it on vim. full log: http://pastebin.com/d74224d6c Apr 13 11:13:48 * sakkara is going to eat now, bbl Apr 13 11:14:01 sakkara: 1753 13:04:20 read(5, "AT-Command Interpreter ready\r\n\r\r\nOK\r\n", 1024) = 37 Apr 13 11:14:08 sakkara: so calypso is not completely dead Apr 13 11:14:28 sakkara: budfive: this is not 2257 then Apr 13 11:19:07 mwester: thanks for looking into #2267 :) Apr 13 11:19:25 unfortunately i don't have a build env atm, so i cannot test it :( Apr 13 11:24:13 Ainulindale i sett the build tree Apr 13 11:24:40 but when i go to the specific folder i dont see a po folder and other po files Apr 13 11:24:46 should i build it first Apr 13 11:25:00 then apply the localization , and build it again Apr 13 11:48:04 who is in charge of SHR track? I cannot verify my e-mail Apr 13 11:49:38 Any_Key: try switching to the bug list and then try to verify Apr 13 11:49:48 it worked for me like that yesterday Apr 13 11:53:51 nope ;( Apr 13 11:57:36 OK it's worked somehow, maybe because i wiped all cookies Apr 13 12:21:13 lindi-: and what should i do know? Apr 13 12:21:40 lindi-: disabling the wrapper? i get no fix with it... Apr 13 12:32:16 sakkara: you can attach the strace to the bug report Apr 13 12:39:16 mickeyl: ping Apr 13 12:41:18 dos1, would be shr-settings the place to add the option of receiving an informative SMS when the SMS sent reaches its destinatary? Apr 13 12:41:44 Sharwin_F: hmm... i think yes Apr 13 12:43:05 dos1, ok, I'll add that to the wishlist. Do you knowif that service has any specific name in englis? Apr 13 12:44:32 delivery reports? Apr 13 12:47:25 someone with commit access to frameworkd? :x Apr 13 12:52:14 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r9c3cb9548687 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_profile.py: [profile] use hoversel instead of radios. Patch by Cameron Frazier (Toaster) Apr 13 12:52:24 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * re99e128a477f 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_currentprofile.py: [CurrentProfile] general rewrite by Cameron Frazier (Toaster). Now with almost all needed functionality :) Apr 13 12:55:41 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r2d84bcd51d66 10/shr_settings_modules/ (shr_currentprofile.py shr_profile.py): [profile] [currentprofile] convert from DOS to Unix format Apr 13 13:03:40 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * re0ce2960d3ea 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [i18n] add german translation by Knut H??hne Apr 13 13:13:29 Moo Apr 13 13:14:05 Wuf Apr 13 13:19:31 dos1: pong Apr 13 13:19:44 mickeyl: i have patch for frameworkd Apr 13 13:20:00 ring-vibration and ring-loop should have bool type, not int Apr 13 13:20:10 let me see Apr 13 13:20:15 and i have polish translation for Zhone Apr 13 13:20:35 sounds cool. feel free to commit the translation Apr 13 13:20:45 how? :) Apr 13 13:21:24 dos1 how do you use te translation Apr 13 13:21:43 dos1: don't you have access to FSO? Apr 13 13:21:50 gfather: LANG=pl_PL.UTF-8 Apr 13 13:22:03 mickeyl: no, i don't have access. that's why i'm pinging you ;) Apr 13 13:22:10 dos1 thats where ? Apr 13 13:22:14 you have access to SHR, right? Apr 13 13:22:22 mickeyl: yep Apr 13 13:22:24 then you qualify for FSO. send me your ssh key. Apr 13 13:22:35 and where to add it , from a new build ? Apr 13 13:23:19 mickeyl: ok :) Apr 13 13:24:23 gfather: in enlightenment you can select language too, after installing interesting you locale Apr 13 13:24:50 How openmoko-messages detect stored messages? I have 2 problems: Apr 13 13:24:57 yes , but how do i install , insert language , iv been asking for days Apr 13 13:25:07 1. sometimes [gsm dead] bug when I receive sms Apr 13 13:25:39 2. after [gsm dead] openmoko-messages doesn't show incommend(last) message (after reboot) Apr 13 13:26:07 until I do magic "for i in `seq 1 30`; do mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessa Apr 13 13:26:07 ge $i" Apr 13 13:26:21 gfather: i don't know if locales are generated on official buildhost Apr 13 13:26:25 after 2. openmoko-messages successfully show smses Apr 13 13:26:35 (using latest shr) Apr 13 13:26:36 gfather: try to install opkg install libframeworkd-phonegui-efl-locale-?? Apr 13 13:26:43 or opkg install shr-settings-locale-?? Apr 13 13:26:53 it should download whole locale as dependency Apr 13 13:27:04 (virtual-locale-??) Apr 13 13:27:06 dos1 lets say i want to build it with my local Apr 13 13:27:10 how do i do that Apr 13 13:27:32 in local.conf you can set, which locales to build Apr 13 13:27:47 yes , i know that Apr 13 13:27:52 but where do i put the files ? Apr 13 13:28:12 i don't understand you Apr 13 13:28:20 local.conf, then generate image Apr 13 13:28:35 flash it, or - if you want, set up your local repo in opkg Apr 13 13:28:45 and then install Apr 13 13:29:11 dos1 i have the 2 po of , the one i trsnlated Apr 13 13:29:31 where should i put those files , and the build the image Apr 13 13:30:31 i have a ready image to be build , ill set the local.conf , where do i put my translation ? Apr 13 13:30:49 gfather: send translation to us Apr 13 13:30:52 we will commit it Apr 13 13:30:57 and then you can build Apr 13 13:31:08 or we can build ;) Apr 13 13:31:28 mickeyl: mail sent Apr 13 13:31:40 but i wanted to test to make sure everything is right Apr 13 13:32:09 so then Apr 13 13:32:47 dos1 ill send it , then ill test on the one you will make :) Apr 13 13:32:50 put it in /usr/share/locale/your_language/LC_MESSAGES/shr-settings.mo or libframeworkd-phonegui-efl.mo Apr 13 13:33:05 and start apps with: Apr 13 13:33:11 LANG=your_language shr-settings Apr 13 13:33:18 or LANG=your_language ophonekitd Apr 13 13:33:26 or LANG=yourlanguare openmoko-dialer3 Apr 13 13:33:27 etc. Apr 13 13:33:42 im not understanding :) Apr 13 13:33:50 how can i send you the files ? Apr 13 13:34:35 gfather: by mail or on trac Apr 13 13:34:58 :) , wich email , urs ? Apr 13 13:35:01 my mail - seba.dos1 Apr 13 13:35:10 gmail ;) com Apr 13 13:37:20 dos1 sended Apr 13 13:37:31 pleas notify me , when its ready Apr 13 13:41:37 im going home , ce yah :) Apr 13 13:42:37 dos1: you should have access now Apr 13 13:43:23 to which repos? in zhone.git i have "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly" Apr 13 13:44:03 to all repos Apr 13 13:44:08 username git Apr 13 13:44:17 (we're using gitosis) Apr 13 13:45:28 mickeyl, does the server have a per-repo user config or is it global? especially with regards to commit access Apr 13 13:46:12 gitosis supports per-repo access control Apr 13 13:46:21 i chose not to use it Apr 13 13:46:24 i see.. Apr 13 13:46:35 i rather trust people and if things don't work, limit access Apr 13 13:46:43 than vice versa Apr 13 13:47:05 hehe Apr 13 13:48:03 mickeyl, so I can push any build error fixes/cosmetic changes directly... I would rather send the patches to the list for review before doing any damage Apr 13 13:49:00 mickeyl: ok, i have access, thanks :) Apr 13 13:51:34 Sup3rkiddo: absolutely, feel free to push straightforward stuff directly. especially for framework and cornucopia i want to review larger changes though Apr 13 13:52:34 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07zhone * r72d00e7bc606 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add polish translation Apr 13 13:52:36 mickeyl, agreed... Apr 13 13:53:24 mickeyl: can i commit that schema change to frameworkd? Apr 13 13:53:46 dos1: does it still work? Apr 13 13:54:58 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * r4829beee73f6 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/info/plugin.vala: Correct a little debug message Apr 13 13:55:01 :D Apr 13 13:57:47 mickeyl: looks like it works Apr 13 13:58:12 tested with both true and false? Apr 13 13:58:32 mickeyl: *-vibration with both Apr 13 13:58:47 mickeyl: now i'm testing *-loop Apr 13 13:59:50 good. once both combinations work, feel free to push Apr 13 14:00:25 mickeyl: everything work :) Apr 13 14:08:50 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r01d942a30827 10/etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/schema/phone.yaml: schema: change *-vibration and *-loop items type from int to bool Apr 13 14:17:46 hey, wait Apr 13 14:17:56 isn't the vibrator a PWM output? Apr 13 14:18:04 and as such, not a bool, but, correctly, an int? Apr 13 14:18:27 md2k7: no, it not value for vibration strenght Apr 13 14:18:34 or did I miss something here Apr 13 14:18:38 it's only vibrator on/off when incoming call or message Apr 13 14:18:45 aaaah Apr 13 14:18:46 ok then Apr 13 14:18:49 mickey|sun: hello Apr 13 14:18:55 arf too late Apr 13 14:25:11 i needed that change to correct shr-settings behaviour Apr 13 14:25:29 patches from Toaster are really great :) Apr 13 14:29:27 ptitjes: hello Apr 13 14:29:41 hello onen Apr 13 14:29:49 ptitjes: do you know whom I could ask to push the new recipe for obm? Apr 13 14:32:55 onen: Ainulindale or mrmoku|easter Apr 13 14:37:11 ptitjes: ok thanks, I will. Apr 13 14:37:25 ptitjes: how is going the build environnement under mac? ;-) Apr 13 14:37:41 setting up slowly :) Apr 13 14:38:37 ptitjes: it can't be as slow as my understanding at making tests of SHR on eten x800 (I have no clue of low level and/or kernel stuff :-( ) Apr 13 14:39:12 onen: neither do I :) Apr 13 14:39:40 that is why I mostly keep up with the high-level stuff :D Apr 13 14:43:05 budfive: I finally came up with something: http://pastebin.com/m788ba70a Apr 13 14:43:27 budfive: and now my OE runs runs runs :D Apr 13 14:43:32 \o/ Apr 13 14:43:47 ptitjes: hurray! congrats! Apr 13 14:44:05 already 50 packages build :D :D Apr 13 14:44:19 who told OE on Mac was not possible ;) Apr 13 14:44:41 dear this computer is so fast Apr 13 14:45:06 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r1292cd888611 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_currentprofile.py: [currentprofile] display only profilable items Apr 13 14:45:38 * DocScrutinizer always feels nausea when looking at perlscripts Apr 13 14:45:52 DocScrutinizer: hello Apr 13 14:46:00 moooin Apr 13 14:46:06 DocScrutinizer: btw this was my first perl script mod :) Apr 13 14:46:20 omen, ptitjes: the same as I ;) high-level stuff :D Apr 13 14:46:29 anyone know how to fix this error when building fso? Apr 13 14:46:35 ERROR: QA Issue: No GNU_HASH in the elf binary Apr 13 14:46:43 ok guys cross fingers for me please Apr 13 14:46:50 this now buils gcc and pkgconfig Apr 13 14:46:54 the hard parts Apr 13 14:47:14 Ainulindale: there? Apr 13 14:49:30 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rf60800103869 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_currentprofile.py: [currentprofile] sort items Apr 13 14:56:51 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rc5d5dca97899 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [profile] [currentprofile] [pot] some i18n work Apr 13 14:58:56 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rd835b8059db7 10/data/po/pl/ (shr-settings.mo shr-settings.po): [i18n] update polish translation Apr 13 15:05:25 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r0084854a59b9 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [i18n] add arabic translation by MJ Fahmi (gfather) Apr 13 15:07:03 Ainulindale: looks like there are no CIA messages from shr.git repo ;) Apr 13 15:07:48 Ainulindale: and... i sended mail to you ;) Apr 13 15:08:56 Ainulindale: and i think it's time to regenerate image ;) Apr 13 15:09:08 as there is new hot stuff :D Apr 13 15:10:36 just found a nasty glitch in the calculator Apr 13 15:10:39 dos1: Don't burn yourself Apr 13 15:10:56 2+2=5? Apr 13 15:11:01 1+1=1 Apr 13 15:11:02 dos1 just try to keep pressing on numbers in the calc Apr 13 15:11:24 i just want to know why , is its gonna explode or something Apr 13 15:11:42 the question for the glitch is , why ? Apr 13 15:11:57 gfather: i commited your translations Apr 13 15:12:05 really ? Apr 13 15:12:11 how can i test it now ? Apr 13 15:12:15 gfather: and calculator is not my work - it's spaetz Apr 13 15:12:17 ;) Apr 13 15:12:29 gfather: you have to wait until someone regenerate image on server Apr 13 15:12:35 :) Apr 13 15:12:36 ahh Apr 13 15:12:37 or build it by yourself Apr 13 15:12:49 did u try to the calc glitch ? Apr 13 15:12:55 yep Apr 13 15:12:57 ill try to generate it now Apr 13 15:13:25 well i kept pressing until i had the number 7 only on the screen Apr 13 15:14:12 dos1 and whats the problem with suspend ? Apr 13 15:14:47 gfather: which problem? Apr 13 15:14:53 suspend Apr 13 15:14:57 its killing me Apr 13 15:15:01 i leave it for a minute Apr 13 15:15:05 boom , black screen Apr 13 15:15:14 i have to remove the batterye Apr 13 15:15:18 and start again Apr 13 15:15:25 did you try to click power button? :DDD Apr 13 15:15:39 yes Apr 13 15:15:42 ;D Apr 13 15:15:45 heh Apr 13 15:15:47 several times Apr 13 15:15:48 you can disable suspend Apr 13 15:15:56 several timing also Apr 13 15:16:02 als tryed tapping on it Apr 13 15:16:17 shr-settings -> power -> auto-suspend: off Apr 13 15:16:23 (one session) Apr 13 15:16:26 or pernamently: Apr 13 15:16:41 shr-settings -> power -> suspend (in timeouts settings) and set it to -1 Apr 13 15:17:05 dos1: i find those timeout settings kind of hard to understand btw Apr 13 15:17:34 tilman; why? Apr 13 15:17:47 busy -> idle -> idle dim -> idle prelock -> idle lock -> suspend Apr 13 15:17:58 becouse he is used to nokia :) Apr 13 15:18:19 dos1: the intervals are those in between those states? Apr 13 15:18:29 i'm not the one who invented it, but i divined :P Apr 13 15:18:29 well i have a nokia phone that can be burned , and then dipped in water , and still works :) Apr 13 15:18:35 and -1 means "don't make that transition"? Apr 13 15:18:45 tilman: i think yes Apr 13 15:18:59 oops, i thought you wrote all that stuff Apr 13 15:19:13 tilman: no, i didn't wrote frameworkd ;) Apr 13 15:19:17 dos1: nice work on shr-settings in general though :) Apr 13 15:19:28 s/wrote/write/ Apr 13 15:19:28 dos1 meant: tilman: no, i didn't write frameworkd ;) Apr 13 15:19:43 tilman: thanks :) Apr 13 15:19:52 i didn't write whole of shr-settings too Apr 13 15:20:06 :] Apr 13 15:20:12 there are also some other people which made great and awesome work ;) Apr 13 15:20:23 dos1 i blame you for iraq war Apr 13 15:20:28 :P Apr 13 15:21:27 i just came back from work , and had lunch on 6 pm Apr 13 15:21:36 i think i need to take a rest , before doing anything Apr 13 15:21:38 :) Apr 13 15:39:15 Who does mofi?! Apr 13 15:39:36 * mwester summons the author of mofi ! Reveal yourself! :D Apr 13 15:41:12 mwester: why are you asking? Apr 13 15:41:18 (no, that wasn't me :D) Apr 13 15:43:03 Because it needs some fixes, and I would be interested to see if the author is maintaining it currently, if I am expecting it to do things it was never intended to do, etc. Apr 13 15:43:34 Arhuaco: thanks for putting #2267 on the milestone list :) Apr 13 15:43:50 I am happy to submit bug reports, or even to work on fixes, but if the author has abandoned it then I would be wasting my time. And while I am happy to do many things, wasting my time is not among them. Apr 13 15:44:07 ~bug 2267 Apr 13 15:44:12 heyho Apr 13 15:44:25 useless buzzbot. Apr 13 15:44:27 mwester: the one you posted a potential fix for Apr 13 15:44:32 ar6000 oops Apr 13 15:44:36 I thought it looked familiar. Apr 13 15:44:42 heh Apr 13 15:44:54 It stayed up and running all night with that fix, here. Apr 13 15:45:27 \o/ Apr 13 15:45:28 But in playing with it, I have come to find that the state of the UI for connecting to wifi is, um, well... rather "lacking" Apr 13 15:46:07 mwester: wifi manager is on my todo for shr-settings ;) Apr 13 15:50:06 http://tinderbox.openembedded.org/public/logs/4324155.txt Apr 13 15:52:41 If everybody want, there is now one seat free for FSOSHRUDCON'09 cause I have to canncel my subscription Apr 13 16:20:48 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * r7547d4099776 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Apr 13 16:20:48 freesmartphone.org: otapi: API breakage: the network code will change to string Apr 13 16:20:48 freesmartphone.org: The reason is that the operatorcode consists of MCC and MNC and MNC Apr 13 16:20:48 freesmartphone.org: can be two or three digits long. Apr 13 16:20:48 freesmartphone.org: So int 1010 could either mean 010:10 or 001:10 and we can't really Apr 13 16:20:51 freesmartphone.org: tell... Apr 13 16:20:53 freesmartphone.org: This affects the following methods and signals: Apr 13 16:37:27 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r063845d2b363 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [i18n] add russian translation Apr 13 16:50:17 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r6ebe8f358590 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/server.py: Apr 13 16:50:17 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix otimed GSMZoneSource Apr 13 16:50:17 freesmartphone.org: Convert mcc and mnc in GSM.Data.GetNetworkInfo lookup to int. Fixes Apr 13 16:50:17 freesmartphone.org: GSM time zone changes which got broken by commit Apr 13 16:50:17 freesmartphone.org: edbba5e161133c28cc41c96afb8d9ea98c46d3e0 Apr 13 16:50:21 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r72e147085d0f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Fix typo in logger string Apr 13 16:50:24 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r49ae8138679d 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/convert.py: ogsmd: GSM default codec now raises UnicodeError on errors Apr 13 16:50:27 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rde82fdffd96b 10/framework/subsystems/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Apr 13 16:50:30 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd, otimed: Catch up with API changes (operator code is string now) Apr 13 16:50:32 freesmartphone.org: This commit follows the API change that happened in the specs repository Apr 13 16:50:34 freesmartphone.org: in commit 7547d409977666eebb5117e4fc837ec6f19a4553. Apr 13 16:50:36 freesmartphone.org: Warning, this might result in your apps breaking! Apr 13 16:50:38 freesmartphone.org: Especially apps like cell monitors might be affected Apr 13 16:51:41 M M M M M M Monster commit !!! Apr 13 16:52:54 No, just good commit comments! Apr 13 16:53:56 gsm0710muxd.c:2037: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault Apr 13 16:53:58 hrm. Apr 13 16:55:25 anybody using qemu with shr? Apr 13 16:55:47 shoragan: ping Apr 13 16:55:50 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r1506d17d0ad6 10/openembedded/packages/images/shr-image.inc: shr-image.inc: load ppp-generic and snd-pcm-oss on boot Apr 13 16:57:30 alphaone: ping Apr 13 17:01:43 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * rab9aa3d01806 10/openembedded/packages/images/shr-image.inc: shr-image.inc: improve default shell settings (#344) Apr 13 17:02:53 dos1, do you use qemu or any other emulator or did you go straight to the freerunner for tests? Apr 13 17:03:34 Gorbusch: Freerunner Apr 13 17:03:42 http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/query?status=accepted&status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&component=!package+requests&component=!SHR+buildhost&component=!framworkd+%2F+FSO&component=!SHR+Feed&component=!SHR+git&order=priority&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=priority&col=milestone Apr 13 17:04:00 that's the link, which every SHR developer should have in bookmarks :P Apr 13 17:04:14 how about making the url a bit shorter? ;) Apr 13 17:04:42 do you also debug there? Apr 13 17:07:07 alphaone: ping (about the API breakage of MCC MNC...) Apr 13 17:10:49 onen! Apr 13 17:14:34 Dave: hi Dave, wassup? Apr 13 17:20:27 :D Apr 13 17:20:30 Aww Apr 13 17:24:55 Dave: headache? Apr 13 17:26:04 Onen_away: pong Apr 13 17:26:41 Onen_away: The only thing different for you is that you get a string now instead of an int... Apr 13 17:26:46 Should actually be easier Apr 13 17:36:49 mickey|sun: ping Apr 13 17:38:49 dos eleven? Apr 13 17:54:32 how are enhancement requests are handled, just open a ticket or is there a discussion place as well? Apr 13 17:55:37 Gorbusch: open a trac ticket Apr 13 17:55:59 discuss within it or in irc with those who it may concern or mailinglist Apr 13 17:56:24 can you give me the mailing list Apr 13 17:57:31 http://projects.openmoko.org/mail/?group_id=155 Apr 13 18:02:05 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r2cf4492d2e27 10/tests/dtest/ (README tests/sample.py): Apr 13 18:02:05 freesmartphone.org: dtest: Make dbus test case actually work Apr 13 18:02:05 freesmartphone.org: We need to import dbus... Apr 13 18:02:05 freesmartphone.org: README now explains rough goals, usage, ... Apr 13 18:02:31 alphaone: ping Apr 13 18:02:44 pong Apr 13 18:02:49 onen: hey Apr 13 18:02:54 alphaone: hallo :-) Apr 13 18:03:42 * eolson is gradually installing shr packages over fso. Very cool. Shr-settings is nice Apr 13 18:03:46 onen: As I said i don't think that much will change for you Apr 13 18:03:51 alphaone: ok some questions about this change. how does the fact to move from int to sting let us know if the MNC is the two or the tree last digits of the value? Apr 13 18:03:58 GetStatus "code" now is a string Apr 13 18:04:17 onen: Because MCC is always three digits Apr 13 18:04:26 But could include leading zeros Apr 13 18:05:50 alphaone: ok. that is the way I had understood it. I always take the last three digits. So if I understand it correctly, you now *always* have a 5 digits value, 2 for MCC and 3 for MNC? Apr 13 18:06:13 No Apr 13 18:06:29 You *always* have MCC in the first three digits Apr 13 18:06:39 or rather characters Apr 13 18:06:52 The rest is MNC, either 2 or three characters long Apr 13 18:07:09 shoragan: ping Apr 13 18:08:23 At least that's wha the code in ogsmd does Apr 13 18:08:25 alphaone: ok, my bad, I mixed it. I should write a patch to the specs. To put this to the description. Ok good, I will correct my code. Will your changes be part of Milestone 5.5? Apr 13 18:08:25 sproing! plonk. Apr 13 18:08:43 onen: Not sure yet. Apr 13 18:08:49 Ainulindale: did you figure out what you're doing wrong that you can't find the kernel? Apr 13 18:09:13 onen: I was sceptical, but if you and others are updating I don't see any reason not to.. Apr 13 18:09:31 alphaone: my point is: I would like to see openBmap working out of the box with next FSO image. What I try to prevent is a delivery of M5.5 with a broken GSM logger :-( Apr 13 18:09:46 onen: Sure, I understand Apr 13 18:10:34 onen: On Wednesdey mickey is visiting and we'll talk about ms5.5 and the general future.. Apr 13 18:10:59 But I would say if we don't encounter any nasty bugs that change should be in... Apr 13 18:11:11 alaphaone: what about exactly were you skeptical about? Apr 13 18:11:54 onen: Big change, short before a release -> bad stuff happening :-) Apr 13 18:11:55 dos1: So which wifi manager is yours, then? Apr 13 18:12:13 onen! Apr 13 18:12:16 mwester: i didn't write wifi manager :) i only want to write Apr 13 18:12:21 :( Apr 13 18:12:35 Sooo... we have none that works at all until then? Apr 13 18:12:45 alphaone: indeed :-P You only give me one day to correct it and release patched version! This is quite short in regards to the time I usually take to test my app ;-( Apr 13 18:12:48 looks like Apr 13 18:13:05 Dave: dave! again wassup (this time I am not going away ;-) ) Apr 13 18:13:48 mwester: conman should work somewhat Apr 13 18:13:52 alphaone: ok I re-read your sentence, M5.5 does not go out on wednesday, but you will then know if your code will be included (and so far, probably) Apr 13 18:13:59 stefan_schmidt is working on it Apr 13 18:14:24 onen: Yeah Apr 13 18:14:27 * mwester goes to see if conman is int eh SHR rep Apr 13 18:14:31 repo, even Apr 13 18:14:53 mwester: it is, as FSO depends on it Apr 13 18:15:10 opkg list | grep conman <--- says no Apr 13 18:15:55 isn't it connman? Apr 13 18:15:57 WIth shr-testing feed should opimd just be included with fso packages? (pyphonelog is saying dbus ServiceUnknown...opimd ) Apr 13 18:16:05 alphaone: ok thanks for clarification. I will modify my code. Only to take care of your changes. Then please get in touch with me once you know if you include your code or not in next milestone, for me to know if I should submit a new release to follow it, or let the current one. Apr 13 18:16:21 onen: okay, will do Apr 13 18:16:23 eolson: from where you have pyphonelog? Apr 13 18:16:27 gotta go now, bye Apr 13 18:16:28 dos1: yes, it is connman Apr 13 18:16:36 alphaone: thanks. I appreciate it. Apr 13 18:16:38 opkg install from shr-testing feed Apr 13 18:17:00 eolson: i don't know why it wants opimd Apr 13 18:17:06 I shall test it, I guess. Installing it certainly cannot clutter my SHR install any further, as my screen is full of about 153,000 different "settings" apps. Apr 13 18:17:16 dos1, ok, I'll check the versions/code then, thanks Apr 13 18:19:13 mwester: thanks for reminding! Apr 13 18:19:18 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r7b1789f1cb61 10/openembedded/packages/images/shr-image.inc: shr-image.inc: comment out "fix" for .desktop files categories, as it is breaking shr-settings-addons-illume Apr 13 18:20:34 i think that's fix for all those settings icons Apr 13 18:20:56 * mwester curses wifi managers, and thinks maybe we need to make this just a lot simpler, and make it part of the kernel instead. Apr 13 18:22:12 Dave: dave! what did you want? :-) Apr 13 18:23:35 0.2.2? :D Apr 13 18:25:05 Dave: not yet ready :-P :-D Apr 13 18:25:22 Dave: did you already upgrade, and the logger is now broken? Apr 13 18:25:48 Yea :D Apr 13 18:25:50 Ainulindale: now there's really reason to regenerate image ;) Apr 13 18:25:52 Not broken Apr 13 18:25:57 * onen hugs Dave Apr 13 18:25:57 I was wanted new code; more features! Apr 13 18:26:01 :] Apr 13 18:26:07 more things to break! ;D Apr 13 18:27:35 Dave: I have put the dev a little bit on hold last days, because of the ongoing discussion about collaboration, merge between projects. But this talks has stalled, without much responses (to my opinion). So I will work back on it. Apr 13 18:28:00 Yeah :) Apr 13 18:28:02 aww Apr 13 18:28:20 Dave: what feature do you want, I have a todo list with som eempty spaces ;-) Apr 13 18:28:40 Whatever connman is, it certainly is not a GUI app. Apr 13 18:28:57 dos1: connman does not do anything useful, I'm afraid. Apr 13 18:29:06 Back to mofi, I guess. Apr 13 18:29:15 mwester: yep, connman is only a daemon Apr 13 18:29:23 and it fails to load modules on my neo Apr 13 18:29:31 Yeah. So how is the phone user supposed to work it? Apr 13 18:29:33 Oh wait! Apr 13 18:29:35 I know! Apr 13 18:29:46 Open a term, and type in an "mdbus" command. Apr 13 18:29:48 morphis: hi Apr 13 18:29:50 :P Apr 13 18:30:14 mwester: i want to write backend for connman in shr-settings... if only it will work for me :P Apr 13 18:30:24 * mwester wants to know why people seem to think that making something listen to "dbus" is sufficient to call it "complete"... Apr 13 18:31:35 I think there's something that happens when people start to work with dbus that causes this broken thinking, and the bluez folks suffer badly from it -- and so do the wifi/network manager folsk! Apr 13 18:31:58 onen: hey Apr 13 18:32:21 Hi morphis :) Apr 13 18:32:22 morphis: on telephone, bb soon Apr 13 18:32:28 For goodness sake, we do not need a 50-tonne heavyweight daemon to start wpa-supplicant on a wifi connection... Do all the dbus folks get payoffs from the memory chip vendors? Apr 13 18:32:35 onen: aye Apr 13 18:32:39 Hey Dave :) Apr 13 18:32:59 :) Apr 13 18:37:55 Ainulindale: ping Apr 13 18:39:04 where are the desktop icons and startup files stored for SHR? Apr 13 18:39:23 * mwester is impatient, and doesn't want to wait for his find command to complete Apr 13 18:41:34 :D Apr 13 18:43:21 ptitjes: are you still messing about trying to make OE build on a steve-jobs-special? Apr 13 18:44:03 hello mwester Apr 13 18:44:15 mwester: /etc/init.d and /usr/share/applications Apr 13 18:44:26 dos1: thanks... Apr 13 18:44:26 i've just fixed that settings icons Apr 13 18:44:28 mwester: in fact I have the whole bitbake working since yesterday evening Apr 13 18:44:33 PTITJES Apr 13 18:45:08 mwester: I now fix some small portability issues (or sometimes I really wonder if it is not simply mistakes) in some base recipes Apr 13 18:45:14 DAVE!! Apr 13 18:45:19 ptitjes: you could have run to the store, and bought an intel P4 with your groceries, installed Fedora on it, build all of OE and SHR, and still had time for dinner and good nights sleep in that time. Apr 13 18:45:39 mwester: got gcc-cross-intermediate to complete correctly without any fix Apr 13 18:45:41 COMPLY Apr 13 18:46:02 mwester: just fixed a missing __GNUC_PREREQ macro in glib Apr 13 18:46:02 ptitjes: Yes, lots of mistakes -- the problem is that unless somebody constantly keeps testing, the mistakes are never found, and things won't work for very long. Apr 13 18:46:46 mwester: my problem is that I just asked on #oe if I should provide some patch and I was reply to look for upstream first Apr 13 18:47:04 mwester: this is not like this that other distro (for instance gentoo) do Apr 13 18:47:10 I estimate that fully half of all my OE commits are not for the distros I work with, instead they are just to fix mistakes and keep OE able to build non-Angstrom distors. Apr 13 18:47:24 mwester: they first integrate in their patch and then try to make them go upstream Apr 13 18:47:27 ptitjes: OE is a build platform, not a distro. Apr 13 18:48:12 mwester: but afaict distros are 99% based on things in the OE repo Apr 13 18:48:21 so we could consider this is a distro Apr 13 18:48:25 No. Apr 13 18:48:34 I fight that thining all the time. Apr 13 18:48:41 OE != Angstrom. Apr 13 18:48:58 I build SlugOS with OE, and SlugOS is not Angstrom, and never will be. Apr 13 18:49:01 mwester: so where should go my patches then ?? in SHR overlay Apr 13 18:49:20 mwester: but then someone hitting the same problem with Angstrom won't see my fix Apr 13 18:49:38 ptitjes: who do they benefit, and are they generic to all OE users, or are they corrections to errors make in upstream Makefiles or auto tools files? Apr 13 18:50:15 mwester: for instance see this one: http://pastebin.com/d1f6a308b Apr 13 18:50:53 Send your patch to the OE devel mailing list, be prepared to justify why this is an OE-specific fix, and why it poses no risk to the hundreds of other potential OE users building with Intel hardware... Apr 13 18:51:19 mwester: for sure this one is a problem of upstream (or maybe I miss something) but then I fixed lots of things today, I can't keep this in my laptop like this Apr 13 18:51:40 ptitjes: That patch is a patch to glib source code! Not to OE! Apr 13 18:51:42 next time I'll make a tree, I'll have forget everything and will have to redo it all again Apr 13 18:52:02 mwester: ok estimate the time to get it upstream Apr 13 18:52:05 please Apr 13 18:53:25 mwester: ok let's say I'm lucky, and this gets accepted Apr 13 18:53:29 in three weeks Apr 13 18:53:51 ptitjes: estimate the problems caused by taking that patch, adding it to OE, and then you leaving for some reason, and that patch sitting there, unmaintained, with nobody knowing why it is there, or if it can be removed, until some day an upstream change makes it break, and it causes problems for hundreds of toher users, until somebody spends hours sorting out why that patch is there, and finally removes it. Apr 13 18:54:54 mwester: this is an endless problem Apr 13 18:54:59 But IF you have submitted your patch upstream, and can provide a URL to the patch/bug number upstream along with your patch to OE, then perhaps you can convince someone that there is sufficient documentation to incorporate your patch as a temporary fix until upstream accepts it. Apr 13 18:55:24 ptitjes: No. Examine the ixp4xx kernel recipe in OE for a solution to this problem. Apr 13 18:55:45 I made lots of fixes today, and I just can't yet remember what was the first one (you know browsing and browsing to look for the exact same experience from somebody else...) Apr 13 18:56:03 (and consider that the nslu2-linux organization owns/maintaines the ixp4xx kernels, and therefore has commited to keeping those patches working and maintianed. Apr 13 18:58:26 mwester: what exact recipe should I look into ? csr or npe ? Apr 13 18:59:16 linux-ixp4xx-2.6.27.8*.bb Apr 13 18:59:20 (for example) Apr 13 19:00:54 I will stop doing any vala Apr 13 19:01:06 OE is becomming my main task Apr 13 19:01:08 :) Apr 13 19:01:20 heh! Apr 13 19:01:30 morphis: sorry, I am back Apr 13 19:02:21 That's why I am wondering why you are working with that steve jobs product. If you just want to get work done with SHR, then you really need to use a standard intel or amd platform, running a normal distro. Apr 13 19:02:29 onen: no problem Apr 13 19:02:44 morphis: I have tested a little bit the x800 with SHR Apr 13 19:03:21 morphis: had a lot of difficulty to get the usb accepting the address, and thus ssh working. do you experience same problems? Apr 13 19:03:25 mwester: but what! I can do vala on my gentoo-prefix/MacOS Apr 13 19:03:43 but people want that I build package and test them with that crappy OE Apr 13 19:03:52 * mwester shrugs Apr 13 19:05:10 morphis: I was thinking I could try to add to every section (gps, lcd, etc...) of the project status a page stating what is the testing protocol, and what is the scale (0-20-50-90-100%), what more or less means the percentage for a section. what do you think of this? Apr 13 19:05:55 * ptitjes don't want to forget about what he likes because some other people don't! Apr 13 19:06:51 onen: and automated tests Apr 13 19:07:09 onen: and a way for people to submit test results with git revision numbers? Apr 13 19:07:37 Ainulindale: ping Apr 13 19:08:42 Ainulindale: do you know why, even after pull, I have diffs with fso/5.5 branch ? Apr 13 19:09:11 Ainulindale: are there some things patched above the git tree ? Apr 13 19:09:41 Ainulindale: this is not very easy to manage my local commits Apr 13 19:10:17 ptitjes: That's fine -- just don't complain when other projects don't test and debug on your preferred platform; after all, I would be quite insane to be angry because my local automobile parts store doesn't carry parts or tools that fit an automobile I imported from Russia, for example. (And yes, as a teenager I had such an auto). Apr 13 19:10:17 mwester: what exactly am I supposed to see in that recipe ? Apr 13 19:10:33 ptitjes: the use of an external svn repo to pull in patches. Apr 13 19:10:42 mwester: the fact that the oe patches are moved, some other put in place and applied ? Apr 13 19:10:43 rather than having the patches in OE itself. Apr 13 19:11:26 How many issues do you normally put into one ticket? One for each problem or everything related to the same beginning like changing the screen resolution? Apr 13 19:11:58 Gorbusch: it depends Apr 13 19:12:02 mwester: ok but then, what repo for my fixes ? I patch for some ponctual places Apr 13 19:12:26 You would have to set up and maintain such a repo for your fixes. Apr 13 19:12:27 mwester: they do patch a single thing (the ixp4xx kernel) Apr 13 19:12:51 mwester: do you really think OE people would like to have some patches here and there ? Apr 13 19:13:08 This is not about OE --- these are patches you need to upstream code. Apr 13 19:13:32 You just want OE to carry them so that you can build with OE on that platform. Apr 13 19:13:39 lindi: sounds good to me, but I am complete newby in kernel/low level stuff. So the learning curve to understand what a test should contain is really steep to me :-) Apr 13 19:14:14 And as I stated before, feel free to submit your patches to the OE mailing list, perhaps there are enough people interested in building on that platform that they can convince the OE core team to accept those patches. Apr 13 19:14:56 mwester: this is why I try to make local commits Apr 13 19:15:06 onen: would be great if you could do this Apr 13 19:15:13 Somethign like this was done, previously -- when 64-bit systems had troubles, there were 64-bit patches in OE which were maintained until the upstream folks fixed their bugs to make their code work on 64-bit systems. Apr 13 19:15:31 onen: I have same experience with usb and ssh, when starting without connected usb I never get a connection with the phone Apr 13 19:15:41 mwester: I hope this one for instance gets accepted without any discussion http://pastebin.com/m455c67e4 Apr 13 19:15:58 The only difference is that there were more than one people who were using 64-bit Linux systems, and I do not know how many poeple are building with your combination. Apr 13 19:16:00 morphis: ok, that is the trick! good to know :-) Apr 13 19:16:04 mwester: and this is an OE problem Apr 13 19:16:38 I just don't know why you expect that OE should patch the repo used by many people and many companies, just to carry a patch for *YOUR* single build system? Apr 13 19:16:51 the following problem as example: Apr 13 19:16:51 1. Screen resolution not always saved Apr 13 19:16:51 2. Icons not displayed correctly Apr 13 19:16:51 3. Wrong selected radio buttons after changing Apr 13 19:16:51 4. Not all elements are displayed on the screen Apr 13 19:16:52 5. Problems with suspend / resume if not in default resolution Apr 13 19:16:54 From my point of view i would one ticket for 1.) one for 2.)+3.)+4.) and one for 5.) is this fine? Apr 13 19:17:03 morphis: I wanted to try the GPS to start with. But I don't really know where to start. I tried to use the wiki page of the om wiki about GPS, but I am not event sure that the file where they say to echo 1 to power the GPS is right with the phone... Apr 13 19:17:08 mwester: siteinfo.bbclass is here to describe sites, isn't it ? Apr 13 19:17:31 mwester: obviously there are some missing platforms in siteinfo Apr 13 19:17:45 ptitjes: I am confused now. That's not the patch you showed earlier. Apr 13 19:17:54 And yes, there are missing platforms. So what? Apr 13 19:17:59 morphis: I was wondering if you have some pointers for me, to start, to understand a little bit what I should know, and how things work (I don't know, maybe some kind of kernel tutorial for dummy, or sth) Apr 13 19:18:10 mwester: no this one is another http://pastebin.com/m455c67e4 Apr 13 19:18:17 I don't see vax-vms in the list iether! Apr 13 19:18:25 ptitjes: don't confuse issues. Apr 13 19:18:35 mwester: but I've seen a post on the mailing list about that Apr 13 19:18:36 ptitjes: there are patches that are to OE -- please submit them. Apr 13 19:18:45 mwester: but it apparently never gone to the repo Apr 13 19:18:51 ptitjes: there are patches to source code obtained from upstream -- those are another matter. Apr 13 19:19:27 ptitjes: yes, just like stuff sent to the shr and om mailing lists, there are not 10000 developers sitting on the list waiting to leap onto each patch to apply them! Apr 13 19:20:20 If it is important to you, send the patches to the OE mailing list, and discuss why they need to be applies, why they are good, why they will not break any other developers and users. And your patch will be accepted if it is considered ok. Apr 13 19:25:02 when I browse images repositories, I see the uImage for kernel, and the other image for the rest of the system. But what is the modules-abc... package for? Apr 13 19:27:37 modules are in image Apr 13 19:28:19 dos1: that is what I thought, so why a specific package? Apr 13 19:29:37 onen: why not? Apr 13 19:31:15 dos1: ... well ... ok Apr 13 19:32:21 dos1: I always wondered what this was for, as I never had to use it... Apr 13 19:32:28 dos1: thanks Apr 13 19:33:17 ;) Apr 13 19:33:23 onen: you are using modules Apr 13 19:33:28 but it's transparently for user Apr 13 19:37:01 hey, how's live :-) Apr 13 19:37:20 mrmoku: hey, how are you? Apr 13 19:37:32 fine... finally found some bar with open wifi :-) Apr 13 19:37:34 mrmoku!! Apr 13 19:37:43 ptitjes!! Apr 13 19:38:08 I thought you had eat too much eggs Apr 13 19:38:08 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-overlay * r23616b991668 10/openembedded/packages/images/ (3 files in 3 dirs): shr-image, shr-lite-image: try to introduce some way for patching existing files in image Apr 13 19:38:25 ptitjes: almost exploded... yeah ;) Apr 13 19:38:34 mickeyl: ping Apr 13 19:39:02 mrmoku: he seems he is under the sun Apr 13 19:39:09 I wait for him too :D Apr 13 19:39:10 ahh... Apr 13 19:39:18 * mrmoku had some opimd related questions... Apr 13 19:39:43 * ptitjes wonders what mickey wants to do with the vala repo Apr 13 19:39:52 :) Apr 13 19:40:17 mrmoku: so you're working on opimd? :) Apr 13 19:40:19 so... I will just assume nobody did work on it (fso part)... and feel free to try to do some python Apr 13 19:40:45 toolchain works nicely and I started to integrate opimd stuff Apr 13 19:40:54 but there are some things missing Apr 13 19:41:00 huhu mrmoku Apr 13 19:41:02 deleting contacts Apr 13 19:41:05 bumbl_: hey :-) Apr 13 19:41:10 how were the holidays? Apr 13 19:41:11 mrmoku: nobody is working now on opimd i think :) Apr 13 19:41:14 mrmoku: any news for my bb recipes ?? :) Apr 13 19:41:33 ptitjes: hehe... is the vala front sorted out? Apr 13 19:41:45 there was someone working on opimd? *scnr* Apr 13 19:41:59 bumbl: I'm working on the SHR side... Apr 13 19:42:10 have a nice opimd feeded contacts list Apr 13 19:42:28 mrmoku: :) Apr 13 19:42:28 oh nice Apr 13 19:42:42 does opimd support multiple numbers per contact yet? Apr 13 19:42:44 though editing and deleting contacts is not implemented on opimd side Apr 13 19:42:54 wtf Apr 13 19:42:54 bumbl: yep... for not sim yes Apr 13 19:43:01 excellent Apr 13 19:43:07 that's what i need Apr 13 19:43:10 + buzzfix Apr 13 19:43:17 although that is low priority Apr 13 19:43:20 :-) have to come to our meeting then ;) Apr 13 19:43:28 mrmoku: can't Apr 13 19:43:31 ;( Apr 13 19:44:04 i'd have to go ~a day by train Apr 13 19:44:18 which i can't as fridays are busy days here Apr 13 19:44:22 mrmoku: i have access to fso and to close trac tickets Apr 13 19:44:23 ;> Apr 13 19:44:25 mrmoku: I'm waiting for you in fact ;) Apr 13 19:44:42 ptitjes: well... you will have to wait until I'm back then :( Apr 13 19:44:50 mrmoku: gobject-introspection, vala-dbus-binding-tool, libgfso-glib... Apr 13 19:44:55 dos1: :-) Apr 13 19:45:14 mrmoku: when you will commit opimd work... we will have the greatest distro in the world :D Apr 13 19:45:20 dos1: though I don't know if I will manage to get online again for the next week Apr 13 19:45:41 dos1: we have that yet... still it will be better :P Apr 13 19:46:30 mrmoku: Toaster worked on shr-settings - profile now uses hoversel; and currentprofile supports every item :) Apr 13 19:46:56 dos1: hehe... looking forward to try your toaster, when I'm back :-) Apr 13 19:47:44 bumbl: yeah... it is quite far :( Apr 13 19:47:45 mrmoku: hehe. Toaster is nick of the guy ;) Apr 13 19:48:03 nick toaster... can even do profiles :P Apr 13 19:48:14 mrmoku: we have only ~80 tickets on trac ;> Apr 13 19:48:28 mrmoku: i'd prefer munich for such an event Apr 13 19:48:36 dos1: guess you closed them close eyed ;) Apr 13 19:48:39 hey mrmoku! hope you had godd holidays! Apr 13 19:48:51 :D Apr 13 19:48:51 I am leaving right now again, see you tomorrow Apr 13 19:48:53 i might go to the freeyourphone and handheld-linux buzzfix party there Apr 13 19:48:59 bumbl: I could give you a ride from munich... but It won't shorten the trip Apr 13 19:49:09 spaetz: hehe... no tomorrow now :P Apr 13 19:49:12 s/now/no/ Apr 13 19:49:13 mrmoku meant: spaetz: hehe... no tomorrow no :P Apr 13 19:49:15 mwester: what dev should I consider to talk on #oe to get things done ? Apr 13 19:49:32 mwester: I'd like pax-utils to be bumped to 0.1.18 Apr 13 19:49:35 mrmoku: problem is: each friday afternoon i have to attend at university Apr 13 19:50:05 morphis: ping Apr 13 19:50:13 bumbl: jepp Apr 13 19:50:15 mwester: it is apparently known that the version 0.1.13 that oe uses is failing on lots of platform (MacO X, all BSDs...) Apr 13 19:50:21 bumbl: ic... and travelling overnight is not quite a solution :( Apr 13 19:51:25 morphis: still having problems with elm layouter Apr 13 19:51:35 may i paste some code in a few minutes? Apr 13 19:52:00 jepp Apr 13 19:55:59 mrmoku: I copied pax-utils_0.1.13.bb (and it native version) to pax-utils_0.1.18.bb but it is not selected Apr 13 19:56:17 mrmoku: what should I check to see if the new recipe is taken in account ? Apr 13 19:56:34 ptitjes: some sanerev file... Apr 13 19:57:00 ptitjes: I would do 'git grep pax-utils' in OE subdir and see Apr 13 19:57:41 git grep!! wonderful command :D Apr 13 19:58:45 yep git grep is unbearable :-) Apr 13 19:59:10 mrmoku: do we include conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc somewhere ?? Apr 13 19:59:55 ptitjes: yep... its the base of openmoko distro me thinks Apr 13 20:00:07 grrr Apr 13 20:00:19 I override that prefered version then Apr 13 20:00:22 ptitjes: you can override Apr 13 20:00:24 :P Apr 13 20:00:29 ptitjes: no need to worry... thats what we have autorev-unstable for :-) Apr 13 20:00:44 cool Apr 13 20:02:42 btw... did you guys move unstable to testing? Apr 13 20:03:08 hmm... looks like not Apr 13 20:03:10 mrmoku: what guys ;) Apr 13 20:03:49 mrmoku: Ainulindale worked a lot these days. he set up locals again... :) Apr 13 20:04:01 mrmoku: also he closed lots lots of tickets Apr 13 20:04:02 and I see a new kernel Apr 13 20:04:15 mrmoku: yeah and resume twice faster Apr 13 20:04:27 hmmm... Apr 13 20:04:32 * mrmoku downloading :-) Apr 13 20:04:40 héhéhéhé Apr 13 20:05:46 mrmoku: there is no actual image... Apr 13 20:05:52 Ainulindale: ping ping ping Apr 13 20:05:54 regenerate! Apr 13 20:06:07 dos1: hmm... I see unstable images from today? Apr 13 20:06:38 mrmoku: but it doesn't have changes from today Apr 13 20:06:39 ;> Apr 13 20:06:46 uh Apr 13 20:06:49 err Apr 13 20:06:51 :DDD Apr 13 20:06:56 let me see Apr 13 20:08:28 mrmoku: welcome back :) Apr 13 20:08:36 PaulFertser: hehe, not yet :P Apr 13 20:08:42 still hanging around in italy Apr 13 20:08:44 mrmoku: you know what we're still missing? xorg! Apr 13 20:08:57 mrmoku: ;) Apr 13 20:09:02 mrmoku: how's Italy? Apr 13 20:09:16 nice... lots of eggs :-) Apr 13 20:09:49 mrmoku: haha, haven't thought of it. Italy is like a catolic blackhole :) Apr 13 20:10:52 PaulFertser: hehe, yeah... about 99.9% catolics... rest mixed :P Apr 13 20:11:29 ok, there is image :D Apr 13 20:11:50 but it doesn't have everything that i broken today ;) Apr 13 20:12:35 mrmoku: are there like plenty of religious people gathered there atm? (/me wants to sound stupid) Apr 13 20:13:13 PaulFertser: well... not where I am :-) Apr 13 20:13:36 anyway... have to go now Apr 13 20:13:46 eat some eggs... and drink some beer :-) Apr 13 20:13:50 mrmoku: have fun :) Apr 13 20:13:57 PaulFertser: thanks... Apr 13 20:14:03 see you all soon Apr 13 20:14:05 mrmoku: i've eaten matza with beer recently :) Apr 13 20:14:13 morphis: http://rafb.net/p/auGLHc11.html Apr 13 20:15:06 * bumbl peckt ein ei mit mrmoku|easter Apr 13 20:15:23 :-) Apr 13 20:15:28 bumbl: habs Apr 13 20:15:38 * bumbl peckt ein ei mit morphis ;) Apr 13 20:15:55 * morphis don't like edges .. :( Apr 13 20:16:23 * morphis offers his broken edges to everyone who loves edges Apr 13 20:17:14 ;) Apr 13 20:17:16 edges? Apr 13 20:17:23 eggs Apr 13 20:17:34 s/edges/eggs/ Apr 13 20:17:40 uups it's too late ... Apr 13 20:18:04 * bumbl gets salt and pepper Apr 13 20:18:24 bumbl: whats the problem with the code? Apr 13 20:19:29 it's interesting how my shr-unstable build is progressing every time I re-run it because of an error Apr 13 20:19:50 It's a feature. Apr 13 20:20:01 okay, right now, I deleted a ".debug" directory, but the last few times I just ran it again, and it proceeded Apr 13 20:20:28 morphis: i want the lables and the buttons verticall expand Apr 13 20:20:39 have to go now Apr 13 20:20:41 good night Apr 13 20:20:43 :) Apr 13 20:23:04 bumbl: good question ... Apr 13 20:23:21 tomorrow morning I will play a little bit with it Apr 13 20:23:32 now I have to go sleeping, I have to get very early Apr 13 20:24:54 ok good night Apr 13 20:25:06 onen: Your patch looks great, I'll apply it right away. Apr 13 20:25:09 Thanks! Apr 13 20:25:56 good night! Apr 13 20:26:40 ptitjes: send to mailing list: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-devel Apr 13 20:27:08 I can't imagine that would be a problem, just nobody has asked or needed it upgraded I expect. Apr 13 20:27:23 yeah sure Apr 13 20:30:44 alphaone: thanks! Apr 13 20:30:54 onen: Thank you :-) Apr 13 20:30:58 * onen drops a tear for his first patch Apr 13 20:31:04 freesmartphone.org: 03onen.om 07specs * re0929240b79b 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Apr 13 20:31:04 freesmartphone.org: otapi: Clearify meaning of the "code" string, what is MCC, what MNC Apr 13 20:31:04 freesmartphone.org: as stated in our IRC conversation, I think this would help future Apr 13 20:31:04 freesmartphone.org: developers to have a more precise description of the 'code' string in Apr 13 20:31:04 freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetStatus() and so on, following your Apr 13 20:31:07 freesmartphone.org: last changes which changed the API. Apr 13 20:33:45 mwester: btw, remember we talked about sysfs api yesterday. is there some way to grant a process the privilege to power_on gsm modem but not have root access? Apr 13 20:34:06 mwester: (a separate suidroot wrapper binary would allow that...) Apr 13 20:35:14 lindi-: honestly, I have not even thought about that -- security is not high on the list for the FR... but that is a good point. Apr 13 20:35:29 mwester: it's not just about security, it is about making things easier to debug Apr 13 20:35:33 I wonder how other parts of the kernel handle it? Apr 13 20:36:24 mwester: sysfs is relatively new Apr 13 20:36:24 mwester: so no, i don't know :( Apr 13 20:36:34 mwester: but i'd rather not run frameworkd as root since I'm worried that it might start doing something I don't want it to do :) Apr 13 20:57:18 mrmoku|easter: ping Apr 13 20:57:21 Ainulindale: ping Apr 13 20:59:11 goog night everyone Apr 13 21:01:54 hmm i should use git for my local coding work Apr 13 21:02:08 i borked something without having a backup Apr 13 21:04:24 congrats ;) Apr 13 21:06:08 bumbl: just celebrate it's not been your harddrive that borked. Not doing decent backup twice a day? :-o ;D Apr 13 21:09:58 lindi-: that's a sore point since years. I've always been requesting to implement decent user/permissions handling & setup, as we tend to never be able to get hat right once everything else is finalized but nobody cared about it. So tangoXY is expecting write permissions for /etc and I dunno what. Apr 13 21:10:20 DocScrutinizer: i have a backup of all the important files Apr 13 21:10:27 on external hdd and dvd Apr 13 21:10:43 hobby coding != important Apr 13 21:10:51 s/ hat/ that/ Apr 13 21:10:52 DocScrutinizer meant: lindi-: that's a sore point since years. I've always been requesting to implement decent user/permissions handling & setup, as we tend to never be able to get that right once everything else is finalized but nobody cared about it. So tangoXY is expecting ... Apr 13 21:11:48 bumbl: ;)) Apr 13 21:11:57 bbl Apr 13 21:13:26 DocScrutinizer: fortunately programs that write to /etc won't make it to debian very easily Apr 13 21:13:30 ATM OM userland is a mess worse than windoof Apr 13 21:13:50 ok, glad to hear that Apr 13 21:13:52 hoho Apr 13 21:20:16 Hey. Apr 13 21:24:04 Ainulindale: trac needs another category Apr 13 21:24:07 pyphonelog Apr 13 21:24:39 http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/387 Apr 13 22:21:13 Ainulindale: no space left on buildhost Apr 13 22:21:27 (i saw on tinderbox) Apr 13 22:25:17 anyone tried new fat image? Apr 13 22:45:04 heh Apr 13 22:50:46 sometimes i like to copy files too often when i should probably just link them ;) Apr 13 23:00:22 dos1: about the klog patch you commited Apr 13 23:00:27 Please don't do that as is Apr 13 23:00:35 First because I was handling that myself Apr 13 23:00:45 Second because it implies many things, I'd like to talk about that before Apr 13 23:01:08 So now it's done, nevermind, but in the future please be wary Apr 13 23:03:02 interesting.. I just saw a "kernel-module-cdrom" scroll by on an `opkg upgrade`. seems to be an off requirement for a phone. Some dependancy I assume? Apr 13 23:03:06 oh, sorry ;x i was in fixing and closing tickets trance ;D Apr 13 23:03:12 s/off/odd/ Apr 13 23:03:12 Toaster` meant: interesting.. I just saw a "kernel-module-cdrom" scroll by on an `opkg upgrade`. seems to be an odd requirement for a phone. Some dependancy I assume? Apr 13 23:04:13 mwester spanked us for putting into image every possible module Apr 13 23:04:26 but we have usbhost mode Apr 13 23:04:58 so someone can plug his cdrom into fr ;D Apr 13 23:05:40 oh cool, kernel-chaos taking momentum Apr 13 23:05:44 but /me thinks that if somebody wants to plug their cdrom into the neo, then it might not be unreasonable to expect them to do "opkg install kernel-module-cdrom" first ! :D Apr 13 23:06:49 let's take bets how many "patches" it'll need to screw up kernel FUBAR Apr 13 23:07:30 honestly that's what I expected to see after Andy left Apr 13 23:08:36 dos1: I like the changes to schema/phone.yaml BTW. Cleans up Profiles a lot! Apr 13 23:10:30 Toaster`: that's why i really wanted to have jt commited :) Apr 13 23:10:38 heh Apr 13 23:11:46 Ainulindale: Hi! :-) Apr 13 23:13:55 dos1: I think I may have asked you before, but are dbus signals between SHR-Settings modules possible? Apr 13 23:15:17 well, actually that question is open to anyone :) Apr 13 23:16:03 i think it's possible, but there is no standard way for doig that ;p Apr 13 23:17:58 we can create some interface for that Apr 13 23:18:00 but Apr 13 23:18:27 woudn't it be something... over our needs? Apr 13 23:19:50 I just would like to get rid of timers where possible. No sense wasting resources if we can only use them per trigger. Interacting between shr_profile and shr_currentprofile, for example. Apr 13 23:21:21 Toaster`: we need signal from frameworkd Apr 13 23:21:34 ProfileChanged Apr 13 23:21:45 or smth li,e that Apr 13 23:21:55 s/li,e/like/ Apr 13 23:21:55 dos1 meant: or smth like that Apr 13 23:23:43 And there currently isn't on... Apr 13 23:23:48 oen Apr 13 23:23:53 one Apr 13 23:24:17 so... we have to ask for that Apr 13 23:24:31 or implement by ourselves Apr 13 23:24:33 ;) Apr 13 23:25:03 There is one for Preferences.Services, but not for Preferences. Seems odd Apr 13 23:25:33 Toaster`, dos1: having signals to communicate between modules is a good thing Apr 13 23:25:49 but please leave dbus for inter-process comunication Apr 13 23:26:48 heh Apr 13 23:28:09 ptitjes: That's reasonable, but a ProfileChanged signal from Preferences would be handy, and potentially for more then the settings apps. Apr 13 23:29:15 please take two weeks to think about and design something that we will be able to reuse Apr 13 23:29:46 ok time to go to bed Apr 13 23:29:54 have a nice night folks Apr 13 23:30:30 Toaster`: then maybe open a ticket at trac.freesamrtphone.org Apr 13 23:30:56 Sounds good. Apr 13 23:31:54 if you include a patch, nobody would feel ambarrassed ;-) Apr 13 23:32:31 We shall see on that. I don't even know what language it's written in currently :) Apr 13 23:32:51 don't care. python ;) Apr 13 23:32:57 but if you want to save some work, maybe talk to mickey|sun first Apr 13 23:33:36 dos1: -->vala Apr 13 23:34:20 but now we are taking care only on python implementation Apr 13 23:35:06 as cornucopia isn't ready to be included in SHR Apr 13 23:35:14 now ;) Apr 13 23:35:30 where we should take care about api definition Apr 13 23:36:47 yes. abojt API i agree Apr 13 23:37:04 but i was talking about patch ;) Apr 13 23:39:58 any frameworkd patch won't make it into FSO unless API is checked and possibly extended/fixed accordingly prior to that Apr 13 23:40:15 IMHO Apr 13 23:41:54 i agree, but we don't have to write patches to cornucopia whsn we're patching frameworkd because of that Apr 13 23:42:07 ack Apr 13 23:42:09 IMHO ;) Apr 13 23:42:38 not for now ;) Apr 13 23:43:28 yep ;) Apr 14 00:48:53 Is there a clean way to restart the framwork without rebooting? Apr 14 00:55:25 nm Apr 14 00:56:27 DocScrutinizer: If/when I have a proposal for a Preferences signal, whom would I talk to? Apr 14 00:57:11 mickey|sun I'd guess Apr 14 00:57:53 ok, thanks Apr 14 00:58:40 On the plus side the coding part turned out to be easier then I expected. Apr 14 01:20:25 Toaster`: or Ainulindale maybe. Apr 14 01:21:05 depends on whether it's SHR related or FSO Apr 14 01:21:38 It's framework related... so an overall thing. Apr 14 01:21:56 framework is FSO Apr 14 01:22:10 good point, so this is FSO related :) Apr 14 01:22:18 first instance Apr 14 01:22:43 Check. Thanks again. Apr 14 01:22:49 np Apr 14 01:24:13 Aside question, where are most of the developers located? Europe? Apr 14 01:25:36 might be the case Apr 14 01:26:15 That would explain why not too many are here. Thanks. Apr 14 01:26:25 FSO even seems rather concentrated in Germany Apr 14 01:26:36 yup Apr 14 01:26:42 late here ;) Apr 14 01:27:44 You're in DE as well? Apr 14 01:28:00 yup Apr 14 01:28:24 Very late then. Apr 14 01:28:39 Well, I'm off for the night. Thanks for your help Apr 14 02:20:17 playa Apr 14 02:25:44 Dave, ? Apr 14 02:58:04 Hey **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 14 02:59:57 2009