**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 03 02:59:58 2009
May 03 07:06:45 <alphaone> johnsu01: Yeah, the damn asyncworker changes seem to be the culprit
May 03 07:06:59 <alphaone> unfortunately shoragan already spent days trying to locate the problem
May 03 07:38:15 <raster> boo
May 03 07:39:26 <mirko-paroli> raster: indecisive ?
May 03 07:39:44 <raster> hmm no
May 03 07:39:48 <raster> dunno what that was
May 03 07:39:53 <mirko-paroli> ah k
May 03 07:39:59 <mirko-paroli> we were worried about you
May 03 07:40:04 <raster> why?
May 03 07:40:11 <mirko-paroli> haven't been online for a while
May 03 07:40:23 <raster> i havent been online for maybe about 27hrs
May 03 07:40:24 <raster> :)
May 03 07:40:26 <raster> gee
May 03 07:40:29 <mirko-paroli> oh
May 03 07:40:30 <mirko-paroli> ok
May 03 07:40:36 <raster> i go away for a little over a day and peolpe worry
May 03 07:40:42 <mirko-paroli> it said sth like 2d 8h last night on this channel
May 03 07:40:58 <mirko-paroli> we just care for you ;)
May 03 07:40:58 <raster> says something about how much of a "continual online presence" i must have!
May 03 07:41:01 <sylar911> raster: eheh you are a vip :)
May 03 07:41:22 <raster> hmm
May 03 07:41:49 <mirko-paroli> how's it hangin' ?
May 03 07:41:51 <raster> well i was on until about 12:30 on saturda
May 03 07:42:04 <raster> thats 2hrz timezone to the right
May 03 07:42:31 <mirko-paroli> 2hrs to the right?
May 03 07:42:32 <raster> so its now 3:40 sg time
May 03 07:42:36 <raster> so 6:40 sydney time
May 03 07:42:39 <mirko-paroli> ah
May 03 07:42:50 <raster> so ok - 24+6...errr 30hrs ago i was last online
May 03 07:42:51 <raster> :)
May 03 07:42:56 <sylar911> raster: when u will start to work again on illume? 
May 03 07:43:11 <raster> sylar911: welli'm coming to the end of a bit of core elementary/evas/edje work
May 03 07:43:18 <raster> so possibly in the next month or 2
May 03 07:43:27 <raster> i just picked up an htc dream here in singapore
May 03 07:43:34 <raster> i'm going to root it and fuck userspace off
May 03 07:43:54 <sylar911> :/
May 03 07:43:59 <raster> going to get x up and everything else
May 03 07:44:12 <sylar911> eheh
May 03 07:44:18 <raster> couldnt be hard
May 03 07:44:29 <raster> all drivers are alreadey in androids kernel - might just sponge off that for now
May 03 07:44:39 <raster> only thing that is a problem would be the baseband
May 03 07:44:48 <raster> but i belive there are works in progress to fix that
May 03 07:45:03 <sylar911> baseband? oO
May 03 07:45:41 <raster> gsm/3g
May 03 07:45:50 <raster> its a qualcom msm7 in there
May 03 07:45:58 <raster> in fact the whole soc is a qualcomm i think
May 03 07:46:03 <raster> or is it?
May 03 07:49:36 <raster> hmm
May 03 07:49:41 <raster> battery low
May 03 07:49:43 <raster> 34mins left
May 03 07:49:44 <raster> boo
May 03 07:50:35 <mirko-paroli> ain't too nice
May 03 07:53:10 <raster> got battery #2
May 03 07:53:17 <raster> man  singapore is hot
May 03 07:53:22 <raster> do nothnig but sweat
May 03 07:54:43 <BluesLee> raster: how much you paid for the dream in sigapore?
May 03 07:57:43 <raster> $600sg
May 03 07:58:56 <raster> $405US
May 03 07:59:04 <BluesLee> 300 euro?
May 03 07:59:07 <raster> 305EUR
May 03 07:59:10 <BluesLee> not bad
May 03 07:59:11 <raster> uyeah
May 03 07:59:19 <raster> its a good price
May 03 07:59:30 <raster> $5 more than the dev version (ie unlockd)
May 03 07:59:31 <BluesLee> thats a damn good price
May 03 07:59:36 <raster> this one is unlocked - no contract
May 03 07:59:51 <raster> considering it would cost > $50 for shpping from usa to au to et the dev version
May 03 07:59:53 <raster> i saved $
May 03 07:59:54 <raster> :)
May 03 08:00:02 <raster> cheaper than the gta02
May 03 08:00:03 <raster> :)
May 03 08:00:11 <raster> actually no not
May 03 08:00:13 <BluesLee> this guy will cost more than 500 euros here
May 03 08:00:15 <raster> $5 more
May 03 08:00:26 <raster> really?
May 03 08:00:27 <raster> hahah
May 03 08:00:34 <raster> the guy quoted $750 tome to start with
May 03 08:00:38 <BluesLee> i have a friend from hk
May 03 08:00:38 <raster> i talked him down to $600
May 03 08:00:57 <raster> one thing i do love about the elecdtronics stores in aisa (well hk/sg/tw)
May 03 08:00:59 <raster> u can bargain
May 03 08:00:59 <raster> :)
May 03 08:01:14 <BluesLee> i will ask him to get me one
May 03 08:01:18 <raster> yeah
May 03 08:01:21 <raster> tell him to bargain too
May 03 08:01:32 <raster> or u can ask someone int he us to get the dev version for $00
May 03 08:01:34 <raster> err $400
May 03 08:01:36 <raster> and ship it
May 03 08:01:40 <raster> but shippin will still be more
May 03 08:02:15 <BluesLee> is it possible to crack the non-dev phones to dev phones?
May 03 08:02:28 <BluesLee> it should be with the g1 or?
May 03 08:02:56 <BluesLee> dont know much about the hardware
May 03 08:03:02 <raster> well you need to root it
May 03 08:03:05 <raster> somehow
May 03 08:03:07 <raster> yes its possible
May 03 08:03:10 <raster> instructions exist
May 03 08:03:14 <raster> seems its not working for me tho
May 03 08:03:18 <raster> bootloader is different
May 03 08:06:42 <Yogiz> Hi
May 03 08:07:09 <Yogiz> anyone who knows enough about the framework active here?
May 03 08:07:26 <Yogiz> Everybody in #freesmartphone.org are away
May 03 08:07:34 <mirko-paroli> Yogiz: I suggest asking the question first and see what happens ;)
May 03 08:07:47 <Yogiz> Alrighty, copypaste...
May 03 08:07:55 <Yogiz> <Yogiz> Alright, the question is whether third party apps can register their resources in the daemon on are all the resources parts of the framework itself.
May 03 08:09:07 <Flyser> they can
May 03 08:09:32 <Yogiz> Ah nice, could you provide a link to instructions or examples?
May 03 08:09:39 <Yogiz> Couldn't find much in the specs
May 03 08:09:46 <Yogiz> Perhaps I should have looked harder...
May 03 08:13:02 <sylar911> anyone knows if it is possible to integrete in the fr an irda device?
May 03 08:13:46 <Yogiz> Should be well possible, usb would probably be your best option
May 03 08:13:57 <Yogiz> linux has good support for irda afaik
May 03 08:14:59 <sylar911> Yogiz: ehm.. but my idea is to integrate it in the case to have a free usb port..
May 03 08:15:14 <sylar911> isn't it possible looking at the hw?
May 03 08:15:22 <Yogiz> Then I think you would find more help from the hw guys
May 03 08:15:48 <Yogiz> this here seems like a software channel
May 03 08:15:58 <Yogiz> Try the hardware mailing list for example
May 03 08:16:07 <sylar911> mmm ok
May 03 08:16:19 <Yogiz> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/hardware
May 03 08:17:28 <sylar911> Yogiz: I am on the neo so it isn't very easy to post on the ml now ;) however.. thanks!
May 03 08:17:42 <Yogiz> : P
May 03 08:43:03 <BluesLee> raster: i am too tired, i thought that you bought a htc magic ... the dream costs also about 300 euros here in europe
May 03 08:45:16 <raster> ooh no no
May 03 08:45:17 <raster> notmagic
May 03 08:45:23 <raster> dream - g1
May 03 08:45:36 <BluesLee> raster: and there is a debian port
May 03 08:45:42 <BluesLee> afaik
May 03 08:46:13 <raster> yes
May 03 08:46:16 <raster> tho its a bit of  hack
May 03 08:46:23 <raster> i want to just totally redo the userspace
May 03 08:46:26 <BluesLee> it would be very cool if someone would port shr or an alternative
May 03 08:46:30 <raster> i'll accept their kernel so i have drivers
May 03 08:46:42 <raster> well i intedn to build on 
May 03 08:46:43 <raster> OE
May 03 08:46:46 <raster> so shr would be possible
May 03 08:46:50 <raster> but first - get it to work
May 03 08:47:02 <BluesLee> gsm will be very hard or?
May 03 08:47:25 <BluesLee> how the htc guys got it working on the universal and the old magic?
May 03 08:48:05 <mrmoku> as far as I understood the qualcomm modem is supported by frameworkd, no?
May 03 08:48:48 <raster> BluesLee:  well its not open - but i beleve people are figuring it out
May 03 08:49:02 <raster> i may have some extra info too that might help... if i'm lucky
May 03 08:49:10 <BluesLee> raster: let us know of your progress
May 03 08:49:14 <raster> mrmoku: it is?
May 03 08:49:21 <raster> to be honest
May 03 08:49:31 <raster> modem/gsm/3g will be last thing forme to worry about
May 03 08:49:34 <mrmoku> I think so...
May 03 08:49:37 <raster> i want all the rest working first
May 03 08:49:58 <raster> that means fb, x, input, kbd, suspend.resume, power managment, IO etc.
May 03 08:50:25 <mrmoku> yep there is qualcomm_msm modem in frameworkd... don't know how far it works
May 03 08:50:33 <mrmoku> but mickey|dinner has a HTC too, so...
May 03 08:50:42 <BluesLee> raster: how is battery life on the dream?
May 03 08:51:03 <BluesLee> mrmoku: mickey has everything, also an iphone
May 03 08:51:11 <BluesLee> buhh
May 03 08:52:00 <raster> mrmoku: neither do i. as i saod - theyer is some work on it. i belive its NOT a srial port
May 03 08:52:05 <raster> its some shared memoryinterface to the host
May 03 08:52:16 <raster> and a binary protocol within that (i believe)
May 03 08:52:24 <raster> BluesLee:  no idea. i just got it 2hrs ago
May 03 08:52:30 <BluesLee> raster: is there a porting project concerning the dream?
May 03 08:52:47 <raster> BluesLee: porting for fso?
May 03 08:53:07 <BluesLee> for instance
May 03 08:53:15 <mrmoku> BluesLee: http://htc-linux.org/wiki
May 03 08:53:26 <BluesLee> honestly i dont thrust my neo for daily usage
May 03 08:53:29 <raster> BluesLee:  well there are lots of porting/getroot/hacks for it
May 03 08:53:38 <raster> the problem is it seems my sngapore htc is... different
May 03 08:53:44 <raster> thus the nromal get-root hacks dont seem to work
May 03 08:54:03 <raster> imho if powermanagent and io works
May 03 08:54:08 <raster> input and display
May 03 08:54:13 <raster> athen all that is left is modem
May 03 08:54:22 <raster> if modem can be made to do voice/sms
May 03 08:54:30 <raster> then its probablymore usable than gta02 at that stage
May 03 08:54:39 <raster> add data sessions and its well ahead
May 03 08:55:00 <raster> the problm is the hoops you need to jump throghto "Fix" the dream when you get it
May 03 08:55:30 <mrmoku> or even http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream
May 03 08:57:57 <mrmoku> and then there is #htc-linux
May 03 09:00:46 <raster> lots of htc hacking going on
May 03 09:01:15 <raster> the question is.. what device will with the least "fucking around" get you the most functional "linux phone"
May 03 09:01:17 <raster> ie not android
May 03 09:01:24 <raster> buyt linux as in the way you know it linux
May 03 09:01:25 <BluesLee> debian runs in a chrooted image
May 03 09:01:30 <raster> (with busybox, glibc, x11 etc.)
May 03 09:01:34 <BluesLee> which is too slow i guess
May 03 09:01:38 <lindi-> BluesLee: slow?
May 03 09:01:58 <lindi-> chroot shouldn't slow anything down
May 03 09:02:03 <raster> BluesLee: thats all fine - except you still are stuck with the notmal android systems hlding the modem, fb etc. etc. open
May 03 09:02:26 <BluesLee> i had chrooted env's on my zaurus
May 03 09:03:02 <BluesLee> and it was slower via vnc or whatever
May 03 09:04:07 <BluesLee> raster: okay, i understand
May 03 09:04:28 <raster> of course vnc will nicely slow things down
May 03 09:04:30 <raster> chroot shouldnt
May 03 09:04:34 <raster> a loopback fs image will
May 03 09:05:09 <lindi-> if you use it over gprs yes :)
May 03 09:05:53 <raster> using it at all wil cost
May 03 09:15:56 <lindi-> raster: unless you have flatrate like I do
May 03 09:17:47 <raster> lindi-: no - cost in perfromance
May 03 09:17:48 <raster> not $
May 03 09:17:53 <lindi-> ah
May 03 09:18:02 <raster> running vnc locally to display will cost you performance
May 03 09:20:13 <sylar911> raster: I have a problem with copy/paste.. I can't copy/paste anything for example from/to vagalume or ewww...
May 03 10:40:27 <bumbl> hmm
May 03 10:41:02 <bumbl> openmoko + temperature = fail as it seems
May 03 10:41:12 <bumbl> wsod + #1024 + who knows what else
May 03 10:44:28 <lindi-> bumbl: yep, very interesting
May 03 10:45:01 <lindi-> bumbl: the next hw fix will then add a peltier element to cool down calypso :-)
May 03 10:52:35 <bumbl> nah to heat it up
May 03 10:52:48 <bumbl> afaihu
May 03 10:53:19 <sylar911> mmm anyone runs successfully omnewrotate with backlight support enabled?
May 03 11:07:42 <alphaone> lindi-: Haha!
May 03 11:23:59 <DocScrutinizer> nah, FR needs *high* temp
May 03 11:25:13 <DocScrutinizer> sylar911: what is backlite support?
May 03 11:27:59 <DocScrutinizer> sylar911: (c&p) works only in app that use correct type of textbox. raster told label won't work, so it up to the app
May 03 11:38:46 <sylar911> DocScrutinizer: I mean backlight support
May 03 11:39:03 <DocScrutinizer> yup
May 03 11:39:15 <DocScrutinizer> still I dunno
May 03 11:39:37 <sylar911> for copy/paste so which is the valaterminal's priblem? it doesn't use labels
May 03 11:39:43 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not familiar with omnewrotata
May 03 11:40:03 <DocScrutinizer> s/tata/tate ;D/
May 03 11:40:19 <sylar911> *problem
May 03 11:41:38 <DocScrutinizer> (c&p) dunno
May 03 11:42:09 <sylar911> ok thanks
May 03 11:43:12 <sylar911> DocScrutinizer: u know if it is possible to integrate an irda device in the neo fr?
May 03 11:43:29 <DocScrutinizer> basically it is, yes
May 03 11:44:18 <sylar911> where/how I can make this mod? 
May 03 11:44:36 <sylar911> where=linked where in the fr board
May 03 11:44:48 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, it's a real hacker's project
May 03 11:45:36 <DocScrutinizer> basically you need to find two GPIO you can (co-)use for IrDA in and out
May 03 11:45:45 <Defiant-> external spi/i2c pin would be great :D
May 03 11:46:16 <DocScrutinizer> Defiant-: what for?
May 03 11:46:21 <sylar911> the italian distrubutor told me he can apply the mod on my neo if I give him istructions about how to make that mod
May 03 11:46:31 <Defiant-> DocScrutinizer: to play with
May 03 11:46:59 <DocScrutinizer> you got debug-connector, Defiant- 
May 03 11:47:09 <Defiant-> DocScrutinizer: nope
May 03 11:47:21 <DocScrutinizer> Defiant-: yep
May 03 11:47:39 <DocScrutinizer> maybe you got no dbuboard
May 03 11:48:05 <DocScrutinizer> every Neo has debug connector
May 03 11:48:06 <sylar911> maybe it is possible to put the irda device under aux?
May 03 11:48:29 <DocScrutinizer> aux?
May 03 11:48:47 <sylar911> the aux button..
May 03 11:49:00 <DocScrutinizer> aah, of course
May 03 11:49:16 <DocScrutinizer> but it's highly inconvenient and clumsy
May 03 11:50:18 <sylar911> DocScrutinizer: y but I need a place in which place it :P
May 03 11:50:22 <DocScrutinizer> nevertheless it's a good start to simply control the IR-TX LED in parallel with e.g. aux led
May 03 11:52:15 <DocScrutinizer> sylar911: I thought about that topic quite some time when specing GTA04 which had to use the Neo case and we intended to have SIR for it
May 03 11:52:20 <sylar911> mmm any power issue? eheh (rhetoric question)
May 03 11:52:40 <sylar911> sir?
May 03 11:52:42 <DocScrutinizer> sylar911: not really
May 03 11:52:54 <DocScrutinizer> Slow IrDA
May 03 11:53:13 <sylar911> ok
May 03 11:53:19 <Defiant-> DocScrutinizer: So the debug connector has i2c and spi? I really have to look at it
May 03 11:53:41 <DocScrutinizer> Defiant-: have a look, yeah ;-)
May 03 11:54:13 <sylar911> DocScrutinizer: but connecting the irda dev in parallel with aux the device is powred but any control is provided,right?
May 03 11:55:13 <DocScrutinizer> sylar911: my idea (one of my ideas) was to use a (hmm, the word) light-conductor to guide the IrDA to top of device next to (or even center of) GPS-ant
May 03 11:55:43 <DocScrutinizer> ahh, you're talking about powering RX?
May 03 11:56:23 <sylar911> rx? sorry but I'm an hw n00b :/
May 03 11:57:08 <DocScrutinizer> sylar911: you're right, we need a second output pin to power the irda-rx
May 03 11:59:43 <DocScrutinizer> a nice idea was to enable rx-power via micbias, and have the data input connected to jk4401 hs-connector to route to mic1 input of mixer as long as no hs is plugged in
May 03 12:00:14 <DocScrutinizer> sylar911: tx=transmit, rx=receive
May 03 12:01:52 <sylar911> hs=external gps antenna?
May 03 12:02:13 <DocScrutinizer> (light-conductor) advantages were: place actual irda component anywhere inside FR. plastic transparent fibre wont interfere with RF (antennae)
May 03 12:02:23 <DocScrutinizer> hs = headset
May 03 12:03:17 <DocScrutinizer> the idea is to handle ir-receiver diode like an audio input (=mic)
May 03 12:04:23 <DocScrutinizer> if there's no hs plugged in, the mixer mic input for hs is unused, so we could reuse for irda
May 03 12:05:40 <DocScrutinizer> plus you got a very convenient way to sample this serial input data if you treat it like audio ;-)
May 03 12:05:50 <sylar911> DocScrutinizer: but in this way the minijack connector has to be always unused (we have to 'break' it),right?
May 03 12:06:43 <DocScrutinizer> nope, the idea is to switch off irda input on insertion of a headset plug
May 03 12:07:16 <DocScrutinizer> so irda rcv wouldn't be possible when headset connected
May 03 12:07:31 <sylar911> mmm it seems a complicated mod
May 03 12:07:52 <sylar911> from the hw pov
May 03 12:08:12 <DocScrutinizer> not such more complicated than any other
May 03 12:08:40 <DocScrutinizer> you already have that switch built-in to jk4401
May 03 12:09:20 <DocScrutinizer> iirc you simply connect irda-data-in to pin6 of jk4401
May 03 12:09:29 <DocScrutinizer> basically
May 03 12:09:36 <sylar911> mmm can u advice me with who I have to talk to 'project' this mod please?
May 03 12:10:11 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, that's probably joerg@om.org ;-)
May 03 12:10:15 <sylar911> are u enough expert in this?
May 03 12:10:37 <sylar911> thanks
May 03 12:10:38 <DocScrutinizer> umm, I'm supposed to
May 03 12:10:52 <DocScrutinizer> ~docscrutinizer
May 03 12:10:52 <bzzbot> hmm... docscrutinizer is jOERG (AT openmoko.org), a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
May 03 12:11:28 <sylar911> looool
May 03 12:11:58 <mickeyl> +former
May 03 12:12:00 <sylar911> :D
May 03 12:12:06 <mickeyl> or is there something i don't know? ;)
May 03 12:12:39 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: "of former Openmoko..."? ;D
May 03 12:12:44 <mickeyl> hehe
May 03 12:12:58 <mickeyl> visionary
May 03 12:13:52 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: I consider my status more like "an unpaid HW-engineer..."
May 03 12:14:28 <sylar911> lol
May 03 12:25:00 <sanvy> hi
May 03 12:37:04 <DocScrutinizer> sylar911: for IrDA TX you won't need all this complex RX circuitry we talked about. And for controlling a gate U usually will use remote-control IR anyway which is slightly different to IrDA (different "color" of IR light)
May 03 12:39:30 <DocScrutinizer> (color) that's why all the RC-sw for e.g. palmpilot sucks as it won't reach beyond 1..2meter distance. RC-IR has poor sensitivity on IrDA color
May 03 12:39:50 <sylar911> DocScrutinizer: ah..
May 03 12:41:36 <DocScrutinizer> so my suggestion for that would be to use a RC-IR LED "in parallel"  to e.g the aux-LED. could do IrDA TX as well for short distance, but should work good for RC
May 03 12:42:21 <sylar911> ah wow
May 03 12:42:45 <DocScrutinizer> toldya, I thought a lot about all this ;)
May 03 12:43:23 <DocScrutinizer> connecting TX-LED is dead simple
May 03 12:43:50 <sylar911> eheh so why the fr haven't an irda dev by default? 
May 03 12:44:00 <DocScrutinizer> you may receive instruction (for the electronics part of it - not the mech part)
May 03 12:45:19 <DocScrutinizer> sylar911: when I joined OM, the design of GTA02 was basically finalized, and having IR wasn't a demand 
May 03 12:45:47 <sylar911> ah ok...
May 03 12:46:02 <DocScrutinizer> doing it right would need case mod anyway - and that can't be done
May 03 12:46:32 <DocScrutinizer> so no chance this would fly. I never even tried
May 03 12:46:40 <sylar911> just remove the aux button lol
May 03 12:46:42 <sanvy> (sorry, I join in the conversation...) and other devices? like camera?
May 03 12:47:18 <DocScrutinizer> same thing, just much worse
May 03 12:47:25 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, bye
May 03 12:47:42 * DocScrutinizer picking up his sunglasses
May 03 12:47:55 <sylar911> bye and again.. thanks
May 03 12:48:08 <sanvy> :|
May 03 12:48:14 <sanvy> bye, thanks :)
May 03 12:55:07 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rfae8af942bb7 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): edje.vapi: add skeleton
May 03 12:55:08 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * re3af8f23b468 10/vapi/eina.vapi: eina.vapi: (whitespace only) sync layout with other vapi's
May 03 13:01:29 <Deubeuliou> I have compiled libfso-glib as a local build (added in conf/local-builds.inc), with bitbake. How can I get the headers be sent in tmp/staging/.../usr/include/ ? I need them for compiling a vala app
May 03 13:01:54 <Deubeuliou> (same question for the vala library: I'm missing "-lvala")
May 03 13:09:53 <bumbl> mrmoku: ping
May 03 14:21:19 <tmzt> raster: do you think illume would be usable at 200mHz/64mb/qvga16?
May 03 14:21:52 <raster> tmzt:  yes
May 03 14:22:16 <raster> its perfectly usable on a treo650
May 03 14:22:26 <raster> (32mk ram, 312mhz, 320x320)
May 03 14:22:35 <raster> the problem is fso
May 03 14:22:36 <raster> :)
May 03 14:22:45 <tmzt> does accel affect it much?
May 03 14:23:16 <raster> no
May 03 14:23:54 <tmzt> what do you mean fso is the problem?
May 03 14:24:03 <tmzt> the python stuff?
May 03 14:27:57 <raster> fso's daemon has a larger memory footprint than e
May 03 14:28:09 <raster> on 32m ram it not possible to use it
May 03 14:28:19 <raster> it uses about 12m of real ram
May 03 14:28:25 <raster> if u only have 28m
May 03 14:28:40 <raster> and 9 are gone by the time you boot ithout x
May 03 14:28:45 <raster> without
May 03 14:29:04 <raster> with x+e your total footprint jumps to 12-13m
May 03 14:29:13 <raster> fso adds another 12m to that
May 03 14:29:23 <raster> you are almost out of ram - you cant run anything pretty much
May 03 14:29:44 <BluesLee> wgat about swap?
May 03 14:29:52 <tmzt> how much of that is for mux?
May 03 14:30:07 <raster> BluesLee: dude. if yolu need swap on a phone - you are doing something majorly wrong
May 03 14:30:12 <raster> tmzt:  i dont remember
May 03 14:30:21 <Flyser_> if he has 64mb ram it should be fine, no?
May 03 14:30:35 <raster> Flyser_: just.
May 03 14:30:57 <Deubeuliou> the daemon is currently in Python, right ?
May 03 14:31:01 <Flyser_> yes
May 03 14:31:11 <mickey|bughuntin> 64mb will be fine
May 03 14:31:40 <tmzt> this is for omap850
May 03 14:31:46 <tmzt> yeah
May 03 14:31:54 <Deubeuliou> it's being rewritten, or will be, in Vala , isn't it ?
May 03 14:32:11 <raster> Deubeuliou: yes - but thats not done yet
May 03 14:32:27 <mrmoku> bumbl: pong
May 03 14:32:34 <raster> untilits donw in 32m ram you will basically not be able to do it
May 03 14:32:42 <Deubeuliou> I would really love bitbake written in a compiled language, and with an SSD too :D
May 03 14:32:43 <raster> 48m might just scrape in with an app or 2
May 03 14:32:50 <raster> 64m should be ok/decent "just"
May 03 14:33:19 <raster> fso without python likely will drop size drmatically - unlessthere is something majorly wrong with its internals/design
May 03 14:33:51 * raster goes back to trying to root his dream
May 03 14:34:21 <tmzt> android-dls.com
May 03 14:35:24 <bumbl> mrmoku: will we have a new image soon?
May 03 14:35:44 <bumbl> + i'll send you some omoney_bb updates tomorrow if you don't mind
May 03 14:35:54 <Deubeuliou> mrmoku: aren't the libs compiled by bitbake to be copied in tmp/staging/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ ?
May 03 14:36:16 <bumbl> raster: is it planned to request a keyboard from illume via dbus?
May 03 14:36:27 <mrmoku> bumbl: hope so... gta02 built successfully... struggling with gta01 now
May 03 14:36:32 <bumbl> ok
May 03 14:36:46 <bumbl> mrmoku: does it include opimd already?
May 03 14:36:48 <mrmoku> Deubeuliou: depends... target libs yeah, think so
May 03 14:36:52 <mrmoku> bumbl: testing?
May 03 14:36:54 <raster> tmzt: not so easy. its a "Fixed" phone with different firmware
May 03 14:36:59 * mrmoku was talking about testing
May 03 14:37:01 <bumbl> mrmoku: unstable
May 03 14:37:12 <raster> bumbl: why via dbus?
May 03 14:37:13 <mrmoku> bumbl: unstable has it already :P
May 03 14:37:16 <raster> makes no sense
May 03 14:37:32 <bumbl> raster: it would be gui-toolkit agnostic
May 03 14:37:44 <raster> bumbl: the currently method is gui toolkit agnostic
May 03 14:37:48 <raster> it is a property on a window
May 03 14:37:53 <raster> any toolkit can set and change t
May 03 14:37:54 <raster> it
May 03 14:37:55 <raster> any
May 03 14:38:04 <raster> it's raw x stuff
May 03 14:38:07 <bumbl> ok then i might call it the wrong way
May 03 14:41:55 <raster> it makes no sense to do it outside of x
May 03 14:42:05 <raster> if u are in another windowing system - u either use a different toolkit
May 03 14:42:11 <raster> or your toolkit handles this for you already
May 03 14:42:24 <raster> or you draw to the fb direct - and in that caqse the kbd is not another process
May 03 14:42:35 <raster> as with the fb sharing it betwene processes is "not possible"
May 03 14:42:55 <raster> (well its just silly/stupid without some form of arbitration server/setup and eventually you re-implement x11)
May 03 14:44:21 <mickey|bughuntin> will the illume keyboard be useful from plain fb eventually?
May 03 14:45:38 <lindi-> mickey|bughuntin: how about having it work with some other WM first?
May 03 14:45:49 <raster> mickey|bughuntin: no - as it is in a different process entirely
May 03 14:45:55 <mickey|bughuntin> dunno, i'm not interested in any other wm :)
May 03 14:46:16 <mickey|bughuntin> raster: ah, that's sad. guess we need to hack it then
May 03 14:46:16 <raster> you'd need it as part of a toolkit
May 03 14:46:44 <raster> and i have no intention to put it into a toolkit as in all honesty - i see the days of a whole phone ui in a single process in the fb as dead and over
May 03 14:46:45 <raster> :(
May 03 14:46:57 <raster> so basically i'm doing work for something that is dead and obsolte
May 03 14:47:00 <raster> (imho)
May 03 14:47:43 <TAsn> raster, that's the qtopia approach, isn't it?
May 03 14:47:54 <TAsn> (I don't like it that much... it's limited)
May 03 14:48:26 <raster> TAsn:  no. topia implemented a windowing system
May 03 14:48:37 <TAsn> oh
May 03 14:48:39 <raster> its not implemented in the toolkit (withiont he same window as the app)
May 03 14:48:42 <raster> literally apps havw windows
May 03 14:48:48 <raster> "qtopia windows"
May 03 14:48:49 <TAsn> okie.
May 03 14:48:53 <raster> the kbd is another qtopia window
May 03 14:48:55 <TAsn> yeah, got the idea.
May 03 14:48:55 <raster> etc. etc.
May 03 14:49:18 <mrmoku> mickey|bughuntin: having problems to build libgsm0710mux
May 03 14:49:19 <raster> every xample of vkbd's i know if is done as a separte "window" and/or process
May 03 14:49:32 <raster> at least on "modern os's"
May 03 14:49:36 <mrmoku> error: gsm0710-1.0 not found in specified Vala API directories
May 03 14:49:39 <raster> ie like linux etc.
May 03 14:49:45 <mickey|bughuntin> mrmoku: did you build libgsm0710?
May 03 14:50:04 <mrmoku> I think it built it automatically... will check
May 03 14:52:08 <TAsn> raster, only on old NOKIAs?
May 03 14:52:15 <TAsn> (and such)
May 03 14:52:58 <raster> TAsn: "modern os"
May 03 14:53:01 <raster> symbian doesnt count
May 03 14:53:11 <raster> and neoither do the "embedded rtos's" used prior
May 03 14:53:13 <raster> like tron
May 03 14:53:16 <raster> or ecos-like ones
May 03 14:54:07 <TAsn> okie.
May 03 14:54:23 <TAsn> thanks for the info. I'll be going now, cya.
May 03 14:56:43 <raster> TAsn:  ciao!
May 03 14:56:44 <raster> :)
May 03 14:56:47 <raster> need to go too
May 03 14:56:50 <raster> broarding time
May 03 15:00:35 <mrmoku> mickey|bughuntin: no go... I have tmp/staging/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/share/vala/vapi/gsm0710-1.0.vapi
May 03 15:00:49 <mrmoku> but the mux still complains to not find it
May 03 15:01:57 <mrmoku> ahh, it is using the native vala... might be the problem?
May 03 15:04:15 <mickey|bughuntin> possible. we might need to add the staging dir for the target as additional vapidir
May 03 15:05:00 <mrmoku> ok
May 03 15:06:08 <mickey|bughuntin> that might need patching vala
May 03 15:06:16 <mickey|bughuntin> else we need to touch all vala projects
May 03 15:07:27 <mickey|bughuntin> then again, .vapi and .deps are not arch specific
May 03 15:07:53 <mickey|bughuntin> so the vapis should be installed somewhere else anyways
May 03 15:09:16 <mickey|bughuntin> could do this with the vala build class
May 03 15:09:20 <mickey|bughuntin> bbiab, bbq
May 03 15:09:25 <mrmoku> ok :-) have fun
May 03 15:12:07 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * r65d77a12ecc5 10/openembedded/recipes/omnewrotate/ (omnewrotate_0.5.0.bb omnewrotate_0.5.4.bb): omnewrotate: update to 0.5.4
May 03 15:12:17 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * r729aae3392c1 10/openembedded/recipes/images/shr-image.inc: shr-image: create /etc/modutils in rootfs
May 03 15:16:22 <mickey|bughuntin> mrmoku: try something like
May 03 15:16:22 <mickey|bughuntin> http://rafb.net/p/ZaRKhv64.html
May 03 15:16:32 <mickey|bughuntin> make sure that everything which installs a vapi inherits vala
May 03 15:16:46 <mrmoku> mickey|bbq: ok thanks
May 03 15:31:58 <Toaster`> mrmoku: how easy is it to add signals to org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage?
May 03 15:35:04 <mrmoku> Toaster`: should not be that dificult... don't know dbus well though
May 03 15:35:16 <mrmoku> what signals would you like to see in ophonekitd?
May 03 15:35:49 <Toaster`> ideally something that notified when a signal was updated in any way.
May 03 15:36:03 <Toaster`> Requested, Released, etc
May 03 15:36:47 <mrmoku> Toaster`: resource you mean?
May 03 15:36:58 <Toaster`> basically a org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.Notify('ResourceName') signal
May 03 15:37:02 <mrmoku> ptitjes: hey... finished your party?
May 03 15:37:06 <Toaster`> heh, yep
May 03 15:37:56 <mrmoku> Toaster`: just curious... what to use it for?
May 03 15:38:27 <mrmoku> ptitjes: did you see my problems with the vala-dbus-binding-tool?
May 03 15:38:59 <bumbl> hmm
May 03 15:39:01 <Toaster`> I only have one use case right now, that's for updating shr_pm through dbus signals.  
May 03 15:39:10 <mrmoku> shr_pm?
May 03 15:39:18 <bumbl>  [searching] for a bzzfix
May 03 15:39:28 <Toaster`> controlling auto-suspend and dimming
May 03 15:39:36 <Toaster`> in SHR-Settings
May 03 15:39:49 <mrmoku> ahh... to update them automatically... hmm
May 03 15:40:17 <Toaster`> There may be other uses, but I can't think of any right now.
May 03 15:40:38 <mrmoku> Toaster`: you don't need ophonekitd for that...
May 03 15:40:40 <mrmoku> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Usage.html;hb=HEAD#ResourceChanged
May 03 15:41:57 <Toaster`> I tried that at first, no joy.  Though I'll try again. I may have been using it incorrectly
May 03 15:42:49 <mrmoku> bumbl: you saw the offer from golden delicious?
May 03 15:43:18 * mrmoku tries...
May 03 15:43:56 <bumbl> mrmoku: yep
May 03 15:44:09 <bumbl> problem is - shipping costs tons
May 03 15:44:21 <bumbl> but when i find nothing else i'll go for it
May 03 15:44:45 <mrmoku> Toaster`: works nicely
May 03 15:44:46 <mrmoku>  [SIGNAL]    org.freesmartphone.Usage.ResourceChanged    from :1.17 /org/freesmartphone/Usage
May 03 15:44:49 <mrmoku> ('Display', True, {   'policy': 'auto', 'refcount': 1})
May 03 15:44:57 <Toaster`> Another, general question; My ssh keys are no longer accepted by my FR, I know they work, but I keep getting asked for my password when connecting.  Anyone have any ideas as to what I can do?
May 03 15:45:17 <mrmoku> never used keys for ssh to the FR
May 03 15:45:21 <Toaster`> mrmoku: ok, I was munging something up then
May 03 15:45:24 <Toaster`> Thanks
May 03 15:45:27 <mrmoku> np
May 03 15:52:27 <BluesLee> mrmoku: is there a general problem if the neo isnt rebooted for say >=12 hours? 
May 03 15:54:11 <mrmoku> BluesLee: not that I would know of... and I'm sure to have had it on for more than that
May 03 16:01:19 <Toaster`> mrmoku: Working now.  Thanks for the help.
May 03 16:01:44 <mrmoku> Toaster`: great :-)
May 03 16:14:47 <Deubeuliou> does someone know what that means: http://pastebin.com/d60a780fe ?
May 03 16:15:45 <Ainulindale> homemade waffles \o/
May 03 16:16:00 <Deubeuliou> yumm ^^
May 03 16:16:14 <Toaster`> I hope you brought enough for everyone!
May 03 16:16:15 <Deubeuliou> make waffles
May 03 16:16:24 <Deubeuliou> ** no rule for building target waffles
May 03 16:16:25 <Deubeuliou> :(
May 03 16:16:46 <Toaster`> did you run ./configure first?
May 03 16:17:00 <Deubeuliou> ./configure --prefix=/dev/stomach
May 03 16:17:14 <Toaster`> heh
May 03 16:20:07 <Deubeuliou> as for my pastebin, no idea ? this is the last problem I have to solve to get my programm packaged. I solved a bunch of others before that one, but now I don't even understand the error message
May 03 16:21:17 <Toaster`> mrmoku: do you know if it is possible for org.freesmartphone.ousaged to be made to act like org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage? Or will there always be the two?
May 03 16:22:51 <mrmoku> Toaster`: if they would act equally... there would be no need for both, no?
May 03 16:23:22 <Toaster`> mrmoku: exactly.  Currently I have to call both due to differences in resource handling.
May 03 16:26:04 <Deubeuliou> hi Didier
May 03 16:33:36 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: the fso EFL_SRCREV has a problem with the syscon menu :(
May 03 16:36:09 <mrmoku> anyway... off for dinner now. bbl
May 03 16:36:28 <CIA-75> SHR: 03frazier.cameron 07shr-settings * r72964ce22297 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_device_timeouts.py: Minor formatting changes to labels
May 03 16:36:29 <CIA-75> SHR: 03frazier.cameron 07shr-settings * r4024a3e2641a 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_pm.py: [Power] Updated resource toggles to update based on dbus changes.
May 03 16:36:30 <CIA-75> SHR: 03frazier.cameron 07shr-settings * rc5f273ee624f 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_battery.py: [Battery] Code simplification, cleanup and comments
May 03 16:47:56 <ptitjes> mrmoku|away: hello
May 03 16:48:11 <ptitjes> mrmoku|away: nah. what problems ?
May 03 17:11:02 <ajuonline> can anyone tell me whats wrong here? http://pastebin.ca/1411321
May 03 17:11:06 <ajuonline> while trying to compile tangogps from source?
May 03 17:18:45 <playya__> ajuonline, it seems that libexif is mising
May 03 17:19:32 <ajuonline> playya__: how do i get it? opkg install ?
May 03 17:20:30 <playya__> ajuonline, jou need the -dev package. i don't know if they are in the repository
May 03 17:20:54 <playya__> try: opkg search *exif*
May 03 17:27:22 <ajuonline> doesnt show up anything
May 03 17:31:37 <ajuonline> how can I uninstall the tangogps that comes with the shr?
May 03 17:32:10 <Toaster`> ajuonline: `opkg remove --force-depends tangogps` ?
May 03 17:36:09 * Sharwin_F was able to use his FR in France with a spanish vodafone SIM without any problem
May 03 17:39:57 <bumbl> Sharwin_F: /me was able to use his fr in spain with an austrian sim without major problems (all problems were lcm related)
May 03 17:40:48 <Sharwin_F> bumbl, _D
May 03 17:40:57 <bumbl> ;p
May 03 17:41:22 <bumbl> old spanish cities are not the best place to get a gps fix
May 03 17:41:36 <bumbl> but without one, one gets lost easily
May 03 17:42:03 <Toaster`> simple/stupid question, how does one check for running services on the FR.  Not everything seems to creats a .pid file in /var/run
May 03 17:42:20 <dos1> ps aux :D
May 03 17:43:02 <Toaster`> dos1: hrm, I was hopeing for a nice standarized waying without lots of text filtering...
May 03 17:43:19 <dos1> i don't think there is some standard..
May 03 17:44:04 <thrashold> Toaster`: What are you trying to do? And which services you mean?
May 03 17:46:07 <bumbl> Toaster`: ps aux is "standard"
May 03 17:46:17 <thrashold> Toaster`: I would suggest you loop over /proc/[0-9]+/cmdline for services without pid files.
May 03 17:46:34 <Toaster`> well, gettings a list of what is available is pretty easy, `ls /etc/init.d/` is a way to start, but I was thinking something like rc-status
May 03 17:49:58 <mrmoku> ptitjes: vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala:165.19-165.40: error: No arguments allowed when constructing type `GLib.Dir' GLib.Dir dir = new GLib.Dir(api_path);
May 03 17:53:11 <mwester-laptop> are you arguing with a constructor?
May 03 17:54:01 <thrashold> Toaster`: I've seen the ability to check for started services only on Gentoo, and I can't say it is working all well. It is even annoying sometimes. I don't know what exactly you are writing, but I would create checks only for known services that my program knew about.
May 03 17:54:09 <mrmoku> mwester-laptop: would like to... but he doesn't allow me :P
May 03 17:54:45 <mrmoku> so... instead I would like to argue with ptitjes about the constructor...
May 03 17:54:46 <Sharwin_F> mrmoku, been out some days, is unstable usable atm?
May 03 17:55:03 <mrmoku> Sharwin_F: think so, yeah
May 03 17:55:14 <thrashold> ROFL, every time I argued with a constructor, I knew I was right, but for some weird reason never actually won the argument...
May 03 17:55:36 <mwester-laptop> Some constructors seem to need to be argued with.
May 03 17:55:46 <mrmoku> that's the problem with constructors :P
May 03 17:55:53 <mrmoku> they think they know better
May 03 17:57:43 <mrmoku> any svn guru in here can tell me the equivalent of 'git log -- /path/to/some/file' ?
May 03 17:57:58 <Toaster`> thrashold: Thanks, I'll have to fiddle some more with this.
May 03 17:58:46 <mrmoku> ptitjes: my guess would be that it needs a newer vala?
May 03 18:00:59 <ptitjes> let me see when I commited the change
May 03 18:01:51 <ptitjes> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=vala-dbus-binding-tool.git;a=commitdiff;h=ddd235f360c52142a4934074f610798c2acd073c
May 03 18:02:07 <ptitjes> héhéhé
May 03 18:02:16 <Deubeuliou> hi ptitjes 
May 03 18:02:28 <ptitjes> hello Deubeuliou 
May 03 18:03:00 <mrmoku> ptitjes: so you broke it ;)
May 03 18:03:12 <mrmoku> and did not test it :P
May 03 18:03:14 <ptitjes> mrmoku: so it seems I fixed that on the 28/04
May 03 18:03:15 <Deubeuliou> bitbake is supposed to cross-compile automatically, so the binaries should be in ARM format, right ?
May 03 18:03:16 <mrmoku> I will tell that Ainulindale 
May 03 18:03:28 <mrmoku> Deubeuliou: yep
May 03 18:03:29 <ptitjes> mrmoku: naaah please don'ttttt!!!!!!
May 03 18:03:40 <Deubeuliou> I get Intel binaries :(
May 03 18:03:42 <ptitjes> ;)
May 03 18:03:48 <Deubeuliou> at least, some binaries
May 03 18:04:01 <mrmoku> Deubeuliou: well some binaries are native (aka for the build host)
May 03 18:04:33 <ptitjes> mrmoku: so you need Vala 0.7.x + http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=vala-lang.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/pending-upstream-move
May 03 18:05:48 <mrmoku> ptitjes: ok... will try to get that done
May 03 18:06:05 <mrmoku> vala-native though, no?
May 03 18:06:19 <ptitjes> mrmoku: yes vala-native
May 03 18:06:53 <ptitjes> mrmoku: non native vala is only to get libgee
May 03 18:06:53 <mrmoku> fine... then I just have to override the SRC_URI :-)
May 03 18:07:08 <ptitjes> mrmoku: I told you that two days ago ;)
May 03 18:07:26 <ptitjes> :D
May 03 18:08:17 <mrmoku> ptitjes: is the static dbus methods patch still needed with pending-upstream-move?
May 03 18:08:43 <ptitjes> ptitjes: what is that static dbus methods patch ?
May 03 18:08:48 <ptitjes> any pointer ?
May 03 18:08:57 <mrmoku> it is in the vala-native_git.bb
May 03 18:09:13 <ptitjes> our repo or oe's ?
May 03 18:09:35 <Toaster`> with elementary, if you hide() one widget out of a set within a parrent box, is there a way to collapse the parent to the new size presented by the remaining widgets?
May 03 18:09:40 <mrmoku> I figured out that vala generates wrong code on static methods. It tries
May 03 18:09:43 <mrmoku> ptitjes: oe repo
May 03 18:09:46 <mrmoku> to add a user_data pointer, but then the C function has no void*
May 03 18:09:48 <mrmoku> user_data.
May 03 18:10:04 <mrmoku> pasted comment in the patch from Frederik Sdun
May 03 18:10:33 <Deubeuliou> I get this error when bitbaking my sources: http://pastebin.com/d60a780fe
May 03 18:10:59 <Deubeuliou> in fact, /home/deubeuliou/dev/openmoko/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libframeworkd-phonegui-gtk-0.0.1+gitrLOCAL-r1/image/usr/bin/libframeworkd-phonegui-gtk is an Intel executable
May 03 18:11:04 <Deubeuliou> not an ARM
May 03 18:11:31 <dos1> ~seen raster
May 03 18:11:32 <bzzbot_> raster <n=raster@enlightenment/developer/raster> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 3h 14m 41s ago, saying: 'broarding time'.
May 03 18:12:01 <mrmoku> Deubeuliou: your bb?
May 03 18:12:13 <mrmoku> ptitjes: will try without that patch
May 03 18:12:50 <mrmoku> dos1: raster is on a plane :P
May 03 18:12:54 <Deubeuliou> http://pastebin.com/d24a1d24a
May 03 18:13:17 <ptitjes> mrmoku: looking at the patch
May 03 18:14:17 <thrashold> I didn't know they allowed e developers on planes, aren't they suspicious or something?
May 03 18:14:18 <mrmoku> Deubeuliou: hmm... looks ok on a first glance... autotools should know to crosscompile
May 03 18:14:47 <Deubeuliou> these are vala sources
May 03 18:15:09 <mrmoku> thrashold: he might have been masqueraded :P
May 03 18:15:29 <Deubeuliou> the autotools should be ok, though. I basically copy/paste those from opphonekitd
May 03 18:15:54 <mrmoku> maybe ptitjes borked them too ;)
May 03 18:15:57 <ptitjes> mrmoku: I would need to have data about the rational of this patch... is there a bug filed on vala's bug tracker ? is it a hack or a real fix ?
May 03 18:16:08 <Deubeuliou> I think that's because the vala compiler that is used is one for Intel
May 03 18:16:24 <Deubeuliou> I should tell it to use the right CC compiler
May 03 18:16:26 <dos1> isn't there libframeworkd-phonegui-gtk yet?
May 03 18:16:27 <mrmoku> ptitjes: don't know... it is in openembedded/recipes/vala/files
May 03 18:16:43 <ptitjes> yeah I have seen the patch
May 03 18:16:52 <ptitjes> I never had any problems with that
May 03 18:16:55 <Deubeuliou> dos1: it exists but afaik, it's not finished
May 03 18:17:01 <ptitjes> I would say you can drop the patch
May 03 18:17:03 <mrmoku> I just saw it in the SRC_URI of the bb... so I asked
May 03 18:17:06 <mrmoku> no idea
May 03 18:17:11 <mrmoku> I'm trying without for now
May 03 18:18:04 <Deubeuliou> ptitjes|eating: when you have time, could you send me your vala-ophonekitd bb file please ?
May 03 18:18:33 <Deubeuliou> I'll try sth in the meantime
May 03 18:23:32 <Deubeuliou> deubeuliou@daneel:~/dev/openmoko/shr-unstable$ file tmp/pkgdata/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gcc-cross
May 03 18:23:35 <Deubeuliou> tmp/pkgdata/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gcc-cross: Quake I or II world or extension
May 03 18:23:39 <Deubeuliou> ^^"
May 03 18:30:22 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * re9a38b52d3ec 10/openembedded/recipes/omnewrotate/omnewrotate_0.5.4.bb: omnewrotate: add patch to fix sysfs path for brightness handling
May 03 18:31:29 <mrmoku> ptitjes|eating: stop eating... trouble here :P
May 03 18:31:31 <mrmoku> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `arraylist.h', needed by `all-am'.  Stop.
May 03 18:34:19 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * r3a1a92411dd0 10/openembedded/recipes/omnewrotate/omnewrotate_0.5.4.bb: omnewrotate: bump PR
May 03 18:35:24 <dos1> mrmoku: have you tried to build new EFLREV?
May 03 18:35:27 <dos1> it fails :P
May 03 18:36:13 <dos1> evas, do_patch
May 03 18:36:14 <mrmoku> dos1: which one?
May 03 18:36:25 <mrmoku> dos1: update then
May 03 18:36:40 <mrmoku> it's the arabic/hebrew patch from TAsn that is applied upstream
May 03 18:36:42 <ptitjes|eating> Deubeuliou: I've no vala-ophonekitd bb file :(
May 03 18:36:44 <mrmoku> I removed it 
May 03 18:36:46 <ptitjes|eating> mrmoku: has some :)
May 03 18:36:57 <dos1> mrmoku: i've just updated
May 03 18:37:02 <dos1> :(
May 03 18:37:05 * mrmoku does not even have a working vala ;)
May 03 18:37:09 <mrmoku> dos1: hmm
May 03 18:37:18 <ptitjes|eating> héhé
May 03 18:37:29 <mrmoku> dos1: huh, you're right
May 03 18:37:33 <mrmoku> I did not remove it :(
May 03 18:37:46 <mrmoku> hmm
May 03 18:38:20 <mrmoku> hehe, removed it for testing only ;)
May 03 18:38:58 <mrmoku> dos1: It builds without the rtl and the mwester hackery patches...
May 03 18:39:02 <mrmoku> syscon menu is broken though
May 03 18:39:06 <mrmoku> brb
May 03 18:39:31 <dos1> syscon?
May 03 18:40:08 <TAsn> mrmoku, it's not me, it's dos's fault
May 03 18:40:08 <TAsn> ;]
May 03 18:40:57 <dos1> ~seen Dave
May 03 18:40:58 <bzzbot_> dave <n=dave@pool-138-89-1-87.mad.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 17d 5h 20m 3s ago, saying: 'dos1, I thought opimd was just a legend!? :o'.
May 03 18:41:02 <Deubeuliou> ok ptitjes, I'll find out
May 03 18:41:06 <dos1> he is hiding
May 03 18:41:10 <dos1> it's his fault
May 03 18:41:25 <TAsn> wth!? dave not here for more than two weeks?!
May 03 18:41:33 <TAsn> he's supposed to be here 24/7
May 03 18:41:41 <TAsn> something happened to him! alert the police!
May 03 18:41:47 <dos1> ~seen dave_
May 03 18:41:47 <bzzbot_> i haven't seen 'dave_', dos1
May 03 18:41:53 <dos1> ~seen dos1|neo
May 03 18:41:53 <bzzbot_> dos1|neo <n=dos1@unaffiliated/dos1> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 2d 22h 52m 6s ago, saying: 'mrmoku: trac ;D'.
May 03 18:44:00 <Deubeuliou> where are the sources of, say, vala-terminal, in the tree ?
May 03 18:46:38 <Sharwin_F> SHR devs: ophonekitd (or whatever shr-settings awares you about on opening) does not autorestart after a WSOD and you restart E
May 03 18:47:55 <dos1> Sharwin_F: restart E? you mean restart of X?
May 03 18:48:08 <mrmoku> dos1: the e sys menu
May 03 18:48:20 <Sharwin_F> dos1, when E crashes, you get a dialog with Recover buton
May 03 18:48:24 <mrmoku> has a width of one pixel :P
May 03 18:48:34 <mrmoku> makes it quite dificult to hit the correct button
May 03 18:48:47 <Sharwin_F> I press it and then E recovers... but not ophonekitd or whatever said before
May 03 18:49:07 <dos1> Sharwin_F: but ophonekitd shouldn't crash with E...
May 03 18:49:35 <Sharwin_F> "or whatever shr-settings awares you about on opening" <- is this ophonekitd?
May 03 18:49:39 <Sharwin_F> dos1, ^
May 03 18:49:42 <dos1> yep
May 03 18:50:09 <Sharwin_F> DocScrutinizer,  so yes then
May 03 18:50:28 <DocScrutinizer> huh?
May 03 18:51:00 <Sharwin_F> dos1, I had a "No service" label on the GSM widget, and when run shr-settings, got that warning
May 03 18:51:17 <Sharwin_F> then pressed on Start ont the warning and all is ok now
May 03 18:51:29 <DocScrutinizer> Sharwin_F: wazzup???
May 03 18:51:43 <mrmoku> ptitjes: (cd .libs && rm -f libgee.la && ln -s ../libgee.la libgee.la)
May 03 18:51:43 <mrmoku> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `arraylist.h', needed by `all-am'.  Stop.
May 03 18:51:47 <mrmoku> what to do?
May 03 18:52:10 <Sharwin_F> DocScrutinizer, ophonekitd does not restart/recover on E crash
May 03 18:52:29 <DocScrutinizer> so what?
May 03 18:52:34 <DocScrutinizer> yes then?
May 03 18:52:49 <Sharwin_F> DocScrutinizer, ops, sorry xDD
May 03 18:52:56 <Sharwin_F> saw it now, it wasn't for you :P
May 03 18:53:01 <DocScrutinizer> k
May 03 18:53:20 * mrmoku advises Sharwin_F to read 'tab completion for dummies' ;)
May 03 18:54:30 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * rc5e32908dfdb 10/openembedded/recipes/omnewrotate/files/correct-sysfs-bl-path.patch: omnewrotate: actually add the patch :P
May 03 18:54:31 * mrmoku advises himself to actually add patches
May 03 18:54:53 <Sharwin_F> hehe, the problem is that I was doing too many things at the same time (reflashing shr, xatting, being called..) come on, I'm a man, can't do so many things at the same time xD
May 03 18:55:58 <DocScrutinizer> alphaone: any results from "low mic sensitivity on MOKO11" issue?
May 03 18:55:59 <mrmoku> Sharwin_F: will call you glamo then :P
May 03 18:56:26 <Sharwin_F> xD
May 03 18:56:32 <ptitjes> mrmoku: last Vala from git must be compiled with last Vala release
May 03 18:56:41 <dos1> Heinervdm: hey, have you seen latest commits in opimd?
May 03 18:56:50 <mrmoku> ptitjes: vala is apain in the ass ;)
May 03 18:57:05 <Heinervdm> dos1: no, i wasn't home the last 2 days :)
May 03 18:57:07 <mirko-paroli> ptitjes: got opkgs somewherE?
May 03 18:57:47 <dos1> Heinervdm: i think you should look at sqlite backend. it doesn't support adding new fields in upd_contact now
May 03 18:57:48 <ptitjes> mirko-paroli: opkgs for what ?
May 03 18:57:53 <mirko-paroli> ptitjes: I can't get vala-lang to compile successfully
May 03 18:57:59 <dos1> (in fact whole opimd doesn't support now :D)
May 03 18:58:02 <mirko-paroli> ptitjes: so no libeflvala either
May 03 18:58:22 <ptitjes> mirko-paroli: Vala builds fine
May 03 18:58:36 <mirko-paroli> ptitjes: with toolchain? not for me ;)
May 03 18:58:45 <Heinervdm> dos1: ok, i will have a look :)
May 03 18:58:52 <ptitjes> I just build it on my desktop
May 03 18:59:06 <mirko-paroli> ptitjes: or maybe I am just incapable, wouldn't surprise me ;)
May 03 18:59:11 <ptitjes> thus the work on the recipe
May 03 19:00:47 <ptitjes> mrmoku: first you have to build Vala from last release (it contains C files), then you build from git with the previous build
May 03 19:01:24 <mrmoku> ptitjes: mickey|bbq did a vala-bootstrap recipe... I updated that one to 0.7.1
May 03 19:02:37 <alphaone> DocScrutinizer: Nope, but I had other things to do this weekend..
May 03 19:04:22 <DocScrutinizer> alphaone: well, my phone here has good senitivity with moko11. That's all I can say so far
May 03 19:05:25 <Heinervdm> dos1: what is if someone deletes a custom field? 
May 03 19:08:15 <dos1> Heinervdm: deletes custom field?
May 03 19:08:26 <alphaone> DocScrutinizer: Mine does as well
May 03 19:08:27 <Heinervdm> dos1: during update
May 03 19:08:33 <alphaone> one of them anyway..
May 03 19:09:18 <dos1> Heinervdm: i don't understand.
May 03 19:09:34 <ajuonline> i did a restart and compiling again. and i get this
May 03 19:09:35 <ajuonline> http://pastebin.ca/1411420
May 03 19:09:37 <dos1> Heinervdm: then field is just set to ''
May 03 19:09:44 <Heinervdm> dos1: ok :)
May 03 19:10:06 <ptitjes> mrmoku: and did that work ?
May 03 19:10:16 <dos1> Heinervdm: on update you are only sending via dbus fields to be updated
May 03 19:10:28 <dos1> {'Name':'dos'} will change name to 'dos'
May 03 19:10:36 <dos1> but other fields will stay as they was
May 03 19:10:49 <mrmoku> ptitjes: no
May 03 19:11:04 <dos1> to delete.... hmm... just {'Field':''} should be ok
May 03 19:11:13 <Heinervdm> dos1: why upd_contact isn't working with the other backends? cvs should work and sim too...
May 03 19:11:50 <dos1> Heinervdm: hmm? i think it works with all backends
May 03 19:12:00 <dos1> only adding new fields during update doesn't work
May 03 19:12:01 <mrmoku> ptitjes: it uses vala 0.7.1 to bootstrap the vala from git
May 03 19:12:06 <Heinervdm> dos1: ok
May 03 19:12:09 <mrmoku> no go though... same error about arraylist.h
May 03 19:12:18 <mrmoku> (and lots of deprecated warnings)
May 03 19:12:46 <ptitjes> mrmoku: the arraylist.h is a werid thing
May 03 19:12:52 <ptitjes> mrmoku: let me explain
May 03 19:13:12 <ptitjes> mrmoku: from Vala 0.7.x the way valac builds is different
May 03 19:13:22 <ptitjes> it now only produces a single .h file
May 03 19:14:06 <ptitjes> so now there are only a few .h files
May 03 19:14:22 <ptitjes> and arraylist.h does not exists anymore for sure
May 03 19:14:47 <ptitjes> mrmoku: so either the version you use is not 0.7.1
May 03 19:14:53 <mrmoku> ptitjes: ok... then the problem is it is still trying to build the wrong vala-native from git
May 03 19:15:00 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * rbfbe676b453f 10/openembedded/recipes/omnewrotate/ (files/correct-sysfs-bl-path.patch omnewrotate_0.5.4.bb): omnewrotate: extend patch to correctly open sysfs nodes rdonly/wronly
May 03 19:15:02 <mrmoku> guess my overriding of SRC_URI was wrong
May 03 19:15:21 <ptitjes> mrmoku: yeah
May 03 19:15:35 <ptitjes> mrmoku: or it keeps files from previous versions in tmp
May 03 19:15:48 <ptitjes> mrmoku: but I oe wipes its tmp dir, right ?
May 03 19:15:50 <mirko-paroli> ptitjes: so I build pending-upstream-move ?
May 03 19:15:56 <mirko-paroli> ptitjes: in vala-lang 
May 03 19:16:09 <ptitjes> mirko-paroli: yep
May 03 19:16:12 <mrmoku> bb -c clean removes the files in tmp/work for that package, yeah
May 03 19:18:43 <Heinervdm> dos1: ...
May 03 19:22:33 <mirko-paroli> ptitjes: first error : 
May 03 19:22:35 <mirko-paroli> Makefile.am: required file `./ChangeLog' not found
May 03 19:22:36 <mirko-paroli> autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1
May 03 19:23:14 <mirko-paroli> ptitjes: just in case that helps in the future ;)
May 03 19:23:44 <ptitjes> mirko-paroli: what project ?
May 03 19:24:01 <mirko-paroli> ptitjes: vala-lang
May 03 19:24:14 <mirko-paroli> ptitjes: I just touched the file and it works
May 03 19:24:19 <ptitjes> mirko-paroli: did you just do ./configure instead of ./autogen.sh ?
May 03 19:24:40 <mirko-paroli> ptitjes: I try it with the toolchain, there is this om-conf thingy
May 03 19:24:41 <ptitjes> look at the start of the ./autogen.sh script
May 03 19:24:54 <ptitjes> it just do touch ./changeLog
May 03 19:26:14 <Sharwin_F> will this be applied on shr? http://www.opkg.org/package_213.html
May 03 19:26:43 <Sharwin_F> or at least something similar
May 03 19:29:06 <mrmoku> Sharwin_F: one of the next things I'm going to package, yeah 
May 03 19:30:30 <mrmoku> ptitjes: it successfully built :D
May 03 19:30:43 <ptitjes> congrats!!
May 03 19:30:47 <ptitjes> \o/
May 03 19:30:56 <Heinervdm> dos1: http://pastebin.com/m7a839f93 try this, perhaps it works
May 03 19:31:53 <Sharwin_F> mrmoku, I remember seeing once a similar app (calls and sms notifier) on scap.linuxtogo but with a transparent background 
May 03 19:32:18 <Sharwin_F> and labels where on the bottom, so you were able to see the background and so
May 03 19:33:09 <BluesLee> http://www.opkg.org/package_213.html
May 03 19:33:25 <Heinervdm> Is there a new Problem on SHR unstable wich lets the desktop buttons disapear?
May 03 19:33:34 <BluesLee> hehe, i tried notifier in this moment
May 03 19:33:35 <Sharwin_F> BluesLee, jeje, yes, I was speaking about that one, but not the same
May 03 19:33:58 <BluesLee> but i had to start it in a terminal
May 03 19:33:58 <Sharwin_F> speaking about seeing a similiar one some time ago
May 03 19:34:15 <dos1> Sharwin_F: i think you are talking about my mockup
May 03 19:34:25 <Sharwin_F> dos1, don't know, could be
May 03 19:34:25 <BluesLee> it woul be nice to have a notifier in the task bar like in android or qte
May 03 19:34:51 <Sharwin_F> android, qte or any mobile xD
May 03 19:35:14 <BluesLee> yeah i forgot about the rest of the world
May 03 19:35:19 <BluesLee> :-)
May 03 19:35:34 <Sharwin_F> :P
May 03 19:35:44 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * r6a63f75e8ec4 10/patches/vala/0001-update-vala-to-0.7.1.patch: patches: add patch to update vala to 0.7.1
May 03 19:35:56 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * rfa465b40307e 10/patches/efl1/ (2 files): patches: remove efl patches that are upstream
May 03 19:37:33 <Sharwin_F> dos1, still no package for the illume-like gtk theme, isn't it?
May 03 19:37:45 <dos1> yep
May 03 19:38:13 <Sharwin_F> dos1, and does bootsplash comes by default now? (which package in the other case do I've to install?)
May 03 19:38:27 <dos1> shr-splash-theme-simple
May 03 19:38:48 <dos1> it should work with qi and rootfs on microsd
May 03 19:39:07 <dos1> and with "splash" added to /boot/append-GTA02
May 03 19:40:20 <Sharwin_F> dos1,  * Cannot find package shr-splash-theme-simple.
May 03 19:40:50 <dos1> unstable?
May 03 19:41:04 <Sharwin_F> dos1,  yep
May 03 19:42:41 <mrmoku> dos1: should it be in all?
May 03 19:42:53 <mrmoku> or is it somehow machine dependent?
May 03 19:43:45 <dos1> mrmoku: i think in all, yes
May 03 19:44:09 <mrmoku> dos1: hmm guess nobody built it :(
May 03 19:44:22 <mrmoku> will do so, when the vala build finished
May 03 19:46:51 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * r309da9c23cbf 10/openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev-unstable.inc: autorev: use the pending-upstream-move branch for vala-native
May 03 19:52:21 <mrmoku> Sharwin_F: ok... it's there now
May 03 19:52:31 <mrmoku> together with a working version of omnewrotate 0.5.4
May 03 19:52:46 <Sharwin_F> mrmoku, going to have dinner now, I'll install it later, thnks
May 03 19:52:54 <mrmoku> ok
May 03 19:53:17 * mrmoku always wonders how spanish people survive until that late without dinner :P
May 03 19:56:31 <spaetz> mrmoku: i do 't think vala is a pain,per se. juust when you need the  git version of a special braanch it gets hairy. installingg a released version from the taarball iss a piiece of cake
May 03 19:56:56 <spaetz> n800 keyboard sucks  btw
May 03 19:57:22 <spaetz> sorry for typos
May 03 20:04:19 <mrmoku> ptitjes: ouch
May 03 20:04:33 <mrmoku> it just built on my local host because I have a native valac :(
May 03 20:04:41 <mrmoku> spaetz: yep a PAIN ;)
May 03 20:06:01 <spaetz> hehe, been there too
May 03 20:09:30 <mrmoku> spaetz: hmm... maybe doing bitbake -c clean vala-native after bitbake vala-bootstrap-native is not a good idea...
May 03 20:09:36 * mrmoku retries
May 03 20:13:34 <Sharwin_F> mrmoku, spanish people we do have breakfast when you have dinner hehe. And also the fact of having lunch later too.
May 03 20:13:46 <mrmoku> Sharwin_F: :)
May 03 20:13:56 <Sharwin_F> I'm not hungry enough at 6pm to have dinner :O
May 03 20:13:57 <mrmoku> was a fast spanish dinner though :P
May 03 20:15:25 <mrmoku> spaetz: yeah... works :-)
May 03 20:18:38 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * r9c48fd704fc8 10/openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev-unstable.inc: autorev: fix autorev for vala-dbus-binding-tool-native
May 03 20:20:50 <mrmoku> ptitjes: yay, vala-dbus-binding-tool-native built nicely :D
May 03 20:26:37 <mrmoku> ptitjes: ping
May 03 20:26:44 <mrmoku> ptitjes: do you need gobject-introspection from git?
May 03 20:26:49 <mrmoku> or is 0.6.2 sufficient?
May 03 20:47:00 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * r1fb441427f9e 10/openembedded/recipes/mokomaze/ (mokomaze_0.2.3.bb mokomaze_0.5.0.bb): mokomaze: update to 0.5.0
May 03 20:50:18 <ptitjes> mrmoku: hum
May 03 20:50:28 <ptitjes> I did not know they had releases
May 03 20:50:36 <ptitjes> where did you find that ?
May 03 20:50:58 <mrmoku> ptitjes: in playyas recipes
May 03 20:51:39 <mrmoku> if it's stuff that changes... I would go for git
May 03 20:55:52 <ptitjes> mrmoku: yeah this is changing quite rapidely
May 03 20:55:58 <ptitjes> quickly
May 03 20:56:45 <mrmoku> ok, will try my luck with git then
May 03 21:08:19 <mrmoku> nytowl: ping
May 03 21:12:43 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * rcaa5268e46b1 10/openembedded/recipes/mokomaze/mokomaze_0.5.0.bb: mokomaze: fix download link
May 03 21:14:19 <ptitjes> gtg
May 03 21:14:23 <ptitjes> will connect later
May 03 21:14:24 <ptitjes> bye
May 03 21:15:33 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: twinkle?
May 03 21:16:06 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: not yet :(
May 03 21:16:20 <mrmoku> don't know where to put my hands on... too much to do
May 03 21:16:24 <DocScrutinizer> looking forward anxious
May 03 21:16:31 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
May 03 21:18:02 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: I reached the point where 98% of my time is eaten up by managing todo-list backlog
May 03 21:18:42 <DocScrutinizer> mere list managing, not a single bit of actual work done
May 03 21:19:00 <mrmoku> hehe... so you would rather need an auto-mangle-todos app kind of thing :P
May 03 21:19:09 <mrmoku> s/mangle/manage/
May 03 21:19:09 <bzzbot_> mrmoku meant: hehe... so you would rather need an auto-manage-todos app kind of thing :P
May 03 21:22:11 <DocScrutinizer> in the end that's the state Wolfgang warned me to ever come near - now I understand what he meant, anyway too late now ;D
May 03 21:55:04 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * r2eb8d9aa588c 10/openembedded/recipes/notifier/notifier_0.1.bb: add recipe for notfier app from m0nt0
May 03 21:59:00 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * rd7777fcf9c3c 10/openembedded/recipes/notifier/ (notifier_0.1.bb notifier_0.2.bb): notifier: correct the version number
May 03 22:17:48 <marco_> bye guys :)
May 03 22:18:15 <ptitjes> back
May 03 22:23:29 <budfive> DocScrutinizer: ever tried the emacs org-mode for todo list managing? It's magical
May 03 22:24:15 <DocScrutinizer> tried emacs for maybe 5min in whole my live :D
May 03 22:24:41 <max_posedon> emacs good OS, I like it)
May 03 22:24:42 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it's worth another look
May 03 22:25:00 <budfive> DocScrutinizer: i see. Well never mind then. Org-mode is really amazing, though. check that out if/when you switch
May 03 22:25:19 <max_posedon> emacs is editor which you hate first 2 weeks...
May 03 22:25:29 <max_posedon> then you hate all others editors
May 03 22:25:55 <DocScrutinizer> in the time I staerted with it, the "e" from "eight-meg-and-constantly-swapping" was really scary ;-)
May 03 22:26:36 <budfive> DocScrutinizer: it's definitely slower to startup than vim (even now), but the idea  is that you start it and leave it running forever :)
May 03 22:26:45 <DocScrutinizer> as my PC used to have 16meg back when, maybe even less
May 03 22:46:14 <cyberalex> hello
May 03 22:46:25 <cyberalex> i have shr-testing
May 03 22:46:42 <cyberalex> but not the last image
May 03 22:46:55 <cyberalex> and i have upgraded it..
May 03 22:48:09 <cyberalex> now x doesn't start
May 03 22:48:10 <cyberalex> XD
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