**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 04 02:59:57 2009 May 04 05:08:24 cyberalex: sorry... upgrading does *not* work. You have to reflash. May 04 05:42:23 good morning May 04 06:13:46 The connman module in e17 is not being built when building 0.16.999.050+svnr40478-r5 (shr-unstable). When trying to build the module manually I get a linker error and a reference to /lib/libc.so.6 May 04 06:14:15 Yes I've sourced the /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/setup-env May 04 06:15:45 Kindof stuck... May 04 06:16:00 maybe... thats why it was disabled? May 04 06:17:13 raster: not in the config though :-) May 04 06:17:28 ah yes, it's commented out in ~/moko/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/e-wm-0.16.999.050+svnr40478-r5/src/modules/Makefile (#am__append_59 = connman), but I didn't figure out why it was ! May 04 06:17:30 on first start e complains... and asks to disable it May 04 06:17:47 raster: how was your flight btw.? May 04 06:19:04 mrmoku: 4:18PM ~/C/e17/config > grep -r connman . May 04 06:19:11 4:18PM ~/C/e17/config > May 04 06:19:20 no config e ships with loads the connman module May 04 06:19:20 :) May 04 06:19:30 ouch... broken SHR devs :P May 04 06:19:35 :) May 04 06:19:41 having another problem... May 04 06:19:48 syscon menu is not sized correctly May 04 06:19:49 connman didnt actually work May 04 06:19:53 has width of one pix May 04 06:19:54 connman changed dbus api's May 04 06:20:00 so its been lurking waiting re-gluing May 04 06:20:03 yeah May 04 06:20:03 nfd then finishing off May 04 06:20:09 and yes May 04 06:20:11 will remove it from our config May 04 06:20:12 i know about syscn May 04 06:20:14 syscon May 04 06:20:26 ok... so that is not our config... May 04 06:20:52 raster: saw your commits (and reverts) :-) May 04 06:20:53 good morning May 04 06:21:10 which reverts? May 04 06:21:10 ptitjes: yeah, morning May 04 06:21:23 i think i onlydid like 1 recently May 04 06:22:04 raster: uhh.. no... May 04 06:22:10 * mrmoku is too stupid to read svn log May 04 06:22:21 Add fixed parts for syscon module: bad layout in some traslations May 04 06:22:21 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ May 04 06:22:24 r40132 | raster | 2009-04-17 12:03:18 +0200 (Fr, 17. Apr 2009) | 3 lines May 04 06:22:30 the commit was from the commit after :P May 04 06:22:53 that wasn't meant to go in! back! May 04 06:23:17 raster: anyway... any idea who will fix it? :P May 04 06:23:31 thats not recent! May 04 06:23:53 well gustavo said he had someoneworking on a new one May 04 06:23:56 so i havent touched it May 04 06:24:01 if someone is workingon it May 04 06:24:01 hehe... its between the last EFL_SRCREV we used and the one we use now :-) May 04 06:24:24 recent == the last few days May 04 06:24:25 :) May 04 06:24:28 hmm... we somehow depend on it... May 04 06:24:44 to suspend manually... and shut down May 04 06:24:55 i know May 04 06:26:20 ok... will watch out for syscon commits in e then... May 04 06:26:24 raster: thanks May 04 06:31:02 aaaargh]why why May 04 06:32:45 ? May 04 06:37:22 blody htc dream May 04 06:37:32 trying to reflash it with adowngraded flahs image May 04 06:37:48 but it refuses to see the dreaimg.nbh file May 04 06:41:12 wtf was that May 04 06:42:59 DocScrutinizer: will be fun to build twinkle :P May 04 06:47:25 raster: ok, thanks, I guess other apps using connman's dbus interface will need to catchup before connman will be built again (removed from the blacklisted-section...). May 04 06:49:44 I was connman is blacklisted in icecc.bbclass, is that the module or something else... ? May 04 06:49:51 s/was/saw/ May 04 06:59:51 raster: good luck with your dream (htc)... :-) May 04 07:00:18 trying May 04 07:00:28 the fucker just wont read my sdcard contents May 04 07:00:34 either the goldcard id is wrong May 04 07:00:36 or somthing else May 04 07:00:43 but thereis no0 way toi know :( May 04 07:10:28 SCORE! May 04 07:25:45 morning May 04 07:31:15 raster: did you buy that goldcard generator WM program? May 04 07:31:33 PaulFertser: i ued the online free one May 04 07:31:41 finally when i re-partitioned the card May 04 07:31:52 set the partion type to 0xb (instead of itsdefault 0x6 for fat16) May 04 07:31:58 it recognisedit May 04 07:32:07 and then my gc image dd'sd on worked May 04 07:32:13 now i ned to get pastthe next gauntlet May 04 07:32:19 and that is skipping this registration poo May 04 07:32:44 raster: nice :) are you going to try some real distro on it, does something decent already exist? May 04 07:32:51 yes May 04 07:33:06 i am plannin to replacing at last all of userspace May 04 07:33:55 Finally someone motivated to do the real thing got his hands on dream :) May 04 07:36:17 wellnext i need to get past this stupid sign-up shit May 04 07:37:18 I thought that old firmware with root-console-everywhere bug doesn't have any real obstacles... May 04 07:38:40 it does May 04 07:38:56 it boots and wont lt me dosanything else until i log in or sign up to my google account May 04 07:39:01 so i canteable wifi May 04 07:39:29 or anything much else May 04 07:39:34 cant launch stuff May 04 07:39:41 cant... do squat May 04 07:40:29 man that bug is just rediculous May 04 07:40:43 you can type "reboot" into any form May 04 07:40:44 and bingo May 04 07:40:46 thing reboots May 04 07:40:50 how did they not know that May 04 07:44:33 tracfeed: Ticket #424 (Boot/Reboot dialogue only 1 pixel wide) created May 04 07:46:34 tracfeed: Ticket #425 (Use AUX button for locking the screen) created May 04 08:03:48 moinmoin! May 04 08:03:56 DocScrutinizer: hey :-) May 04 08:04:08 mrmoku: how's fun? ;-> May 04 08:04:27 DocScrutinizer: twinkle fun ;) May 04 08:04:32 ehh phone :P May 04 08:05:12 DocScrutinizer: started to get a recipe done... pff May 04 08:05:46 I'd really really be eager to try at least a cli-sip on FR :)) May 04 08:05:54 going into autottols hell May 04 08:06:00 autotools even May 04 08:06:01 ouch May 04 08:06:13 with mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0, i will formatting the whole SD-Card? May 04 08:06:15 beware of qmake! May 04 08:06:27 DocScrutinizer: well I'm still struggling with ccrtp May 04 08:07:09 :-( fsck gnuccp, ccrtp etc libs May 04 08:07:32 told ya they're all nasty May 04 08:08:04 tobii_: yes, don't do that May 04 08:08:11 DocScrutinizer: yeh... will fsck them later today :P May 04 08:08:18 in office now... doing some daywork May 04 08:08:20 hehehe May 04 08:09:37 PaulFertser: I had already done that May 04 08:09:39 :) May 04 08:10:24 and I'l get spanked hard by my private emergency mgmnt minister if I don't get my taxes right today May 04 08:10:29 tobii_: i'd recommend to properly fdisk the card first and then make a filesystem (sane one, not vfat ;) on the partition you need. May 04 08:10:47 moo paul May 04 08:10:49 ok thx May 04 08:12:42 DocScrutinizer: hey, good morning there :) May 04 08:13:26 DocScrutinizer: (taxes) well, it's still better than configuring windows vista ;) May 04 08:13:41 waaaaaaaaaaaahhh May 04 08:15:00 hasta la... May 04 08:15:13 baby May 04 08:16:38 (a.schwarzenegger) which is btw what you should do with vista-infected machines May 04 08:17:54 * mrmoku hates windows a lot... and still prefers configuring vista to doing taxes :P May 04 08:19:58 mrmoku: my duty is dead simple for today: declare zero VAT for 2007 and 0 for 12-2008 May 04 08:20:28 mrmoku: and convince them to give me back my money May 04 08:20:36 ;D May 04 08:22:15 :-) May 04 08:22:28 then things start to become nasty: find a decent steuerberater who knows how to handle non-EU income May 04 08:22:41 uhh... steuerberater :P May 04 08:23:01 only a handfull good ones exist in the world me thinks ;) May 04 08:23:40 the rest is either incompetent or will cheat you May 04 08:24:36 that's why I said things start to become nasty May 04 08:25:49 really hard to spot one of this handfull May 04 08:27:30 hehe May 04 08:28:00 taxes are always nasty, but when it gets cross-country, it's extremly difficult May 04 08:35:54 * spaetz tests new shr mokomaze recipe May 04 08:36:17 if it works, I vote for adopting it in shr-full. It demonstrates the accelermeters neatly May 04 08:36:48 +1 May 04 08:36:54 a must May 04 08:36:56 tracfeed: Ticket #324 (Make it possible to configure the output volume somewhere) updated May 04 08:37:19 also nifty use for vibrator May 04 08:37:30 yep May 04 08:39:15 Package angstrom-version md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. May 04 08:39:25 mrmoku: rebuild package-index? May 04 08:42:22 spaetz: it is still building... May 04 08:42:41 NOTE: Running task 7434 of 7468 May 04 08:43:07 spaetz: mokomaze does not work May 04 08:43:11 (the recipe) May 04 08:43:28 it looks like it needs newer ode (which I did not manage to build last night) May 04 08:49:21 mrmoku: just build mokomaze here on my local shr-env May 04 08:49:40 will commit my fixed version soon, let's try to rebuild then May 04 08:51:30 hmm... 0.5.0? May 04 08:51:38 anyway have to go... bbl May 04 08:51:41 ok, local build worked, fine with an updated shr-unstable env from a few minutes ago. May 04 08:51:51 will commit the fixed mokomaze bb now May 04 08:53:29 mokomaze 0.5.0? May 04 08:53:53 heck, I am still working with the 0.2.3 release which was current last week, when I started working on it? May 04 08:53:56 fuck May 04 08:59:27 SHR: 03Sebastian 07shr-overlay * rb2378678c4a7 10/openembedded/recipes/mokomaze/ (3 files in 2 dirs): mokomaze: this builds and works now (v0.2.3). Need to look at 0.5 next May 04 09:00:52 mrmoku|away: when you are back. do we have fsoraw in shr or do we plan to include it? May 04 09:01:07 If yes, I'd work on making mokomaze use it by default May 04 09:25:03 spaetz: I really hope SHR is planning to include fsoraw. To be honest I hope FSO will include it ;-) Though it's simple, I consider it a mandatory component for FSO anyway May 04 09:25:59 well, "" May 04 09:26:01 milestone set to milestone6 May 04 09:26:02 This sounds really interesting. Bumping to ms6 May 04 09:26:04 "" May 04 09:26:33 ok, I'll do the SHR specific fix now, but I'd really prefer a FSO generic one May 04 09:26:35 spaetz: so maybe SHR had to "backport" it May 04 09:27:56 spaetz: you're aware of #393, aren't you? May 04 09:35:27 the add fsoraw ticket? yep May 04 09:36:26 alas fsoraw http://noko.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/noko/trunk/fsoraw/ doesn't mention this ticket nor me :-/ ;-D May 04 09:37:29 SHR: 03Sebastian 07shr-overlay * r1c77c27ea2d9 10/openembedded/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ??mokomaze: add avoid suspend patch. pin to 0.2.3 until 0.5.0 works May 04 09:37:43 anyway I'd be interested in a binary to dl / install on SHR May 04 09:39:01 fsoraw? yep, we should package that May 04 09:39:07 if it doesn't exist ye May 04 09:39:08 t May 04 09:40:30 spaetz: is there any config or rc file for mokomaze to adjust values like inertia of ball rsp viscosity of the imaginary oil filled into this gadget; vibrator multiplicator for impact; etc? May 04 09:42:41 spaetz: a `find / -name "*maze*" ` doesn't give me anything, not even the place where current level is stored it seems May 04 09:54:56 DocScrutinizer: current level is stored at ~/.mokomaze/user.json. BTW, for some reason vibration doesn't work for me. May 04 09:55:55 PaulFertser: try hitting fence hard with the ball May 04 09:56:36 it's not very noticeable, that's why I asked where to pump it up a little ;-) May 04 09:56:47 DocScrutinizer: funny, it works, i see now :) May 04 09:57:03 :D May 04 09:59:28 PaulFertser: shouldn't your wording on #393 have been "nicola created sth to meet all the above specs, and even improved it a little", rather than "There's already an app [been before]..." ? May 04 10:00:00 DocScrutinizer: sure, my comment is misleading :( May 04 10:00:48 DocScrutinizer: i was answering to daniel's comment and managed to do that in some strange stupid way :-/ May 04 10:02:15 I meant to say that there's no need to wait for MS6 May 04 10:02:48 hmm, I see. Anyway sounds like I stole the idea from nicola :-/ May 04 10:06:49 It can't sound like that because it'd be very stupid to describe a functionality (without actually writing anything) of an app that already exists. May 04 10:09:17 DocScrutinizer: ball radius, hole radius, and vibro=enabled is in config.json May 04 10:13:35 mrmoku: I fixed up the mokomaze 0.2.3 recipe to include the "avoid suspend dim patch, and to provide a correct .desktop file. May 04 10:14:05 ok May 04 10:14:16 and pinned mokomaze preferred version to 0.2.3 for now. I'll work on getting the 0.5.0 working some time in the future May 04 10:14:50 should I add it to the feed? May 04 10:14:59 or even the full image? May 04 10:15:13 guess that would be appreciated :P May 04 10:15:18 I could even announce it to the ML/blog and ask for community feedback May 04 10:15:30 to make Ainulindale and the community happy :) May 04 10:16:18 how would I add that to task.bb? May 04 10:17:52 spaetz: what do you mean? May 04 10:21:12 task.bb only seems to contain a short stub May 04 10:21:24 with no actual package names in it May 04 10:21:48 recipes/tasks/task-shr-feed.bb? May 04 10:22:00 nahh, I was looking at the full image thingie May 04 10:22:15 but I'll jsut add to the feed for now May 04 10:22:24 and announce, so people can try it out May 04 10:22:31 ahh, ok :-) May 04 10:22:59 * spaetz discovers he put mokomaze in the feed already May 04 10:23:12 can you please try to rebuild feed in unstable? May 04 10:23:17 spaetz: just add it to RDEPENDS_${PN}-games then May 04 10:23:28 spaetz: doing that all the time :P May 04 10:23:37 fails always on zenity May 04 10:23:43 ahh, ok :( May 04 10:24:08 so I remove it from the feed... until the next update :P May 04 10:24:14 (locally on the buildhost) May 04 10:24:34 and now ewl failed :( May 04 10:24:35 config.status: error: cannot find input file: po/Makefile.in.in May 04 10:24:49 guess it will be rebuild from scratch time :P May 04 10:25:08 SHR: 03Sebastian 07shr-overlay * r65a4d306ad72 10/openembedded/recipes/tasks/task-shr.bb: full image: add mokomaze to full image by default. May 04 10:25:26 ok, I added it to the shr-task.bbsk.bb too May 04 10:25:35 so it will be in the full image by default May 04 10:26:37 I'll announce when rebuild finished successfully May 04 10:26:50 I really, really would like to get rid of the fact that the feed is a link to the buildarea... May 04 10:27:01 * spaetz pities mrmoku that he has such a hard time rebuilding all the time May 04 10:27:11 as soon as something goes wrong... May 04 10:27:15 mrmoku: actually, that would make sense (to not just link it) May 04 10:27:23 spaetz: :) won't help me though :P May 04 10:27:28 nah May 04 10:28:00 ok, now that 0.2.3 works, I'll have a look at what it takes to use 0.5.0 May 04 10:28:01 trying if updating automake to 1.10 works... May 04 10:28:13 that would give us mokomaze 0.5.0 me thinks May 04 10:29:23 that ode thing worked out ok already? May 04 10:29:44 it needs automake 1.10 May 04 10:29:49 ahh, ok May 04 10:30:02 and that does not build :( May 04 10:35:06 hmm... what would it look like (not linking to the buildarea)? May 04 10:36:00 rsync the images... and rsync with delete the ipks... would that be the right way? May 04 10:36:22 no clue how the build host is set up or how it should work. but rsync sounds like the right thing. May 04 10:36:33 not using the delete option of rsync May 04 10:36:45 which would be bad for the feed, no? May 04 10:37:04 mmh, if the build fails, are existing .ipkg removed? May 04 10:37:11 only when you -c clean, right? May 04 10:37:26 no, I think they are removed... not sure though May 04 10:37:52 it would not be exceptionally be bad for the feed, it will only care about what is listed in the Package.index though, no clue how that works May 04 10:38:11 ie what is included in the package index May 04 10:38:26 and would give the possibility to manually download an older package to install it... May 04 10:38:33 right May 04 10:38:53 so keeping old ipkg files around is no problem, if only those are included in the Package index that we want May 04 10:39:06 ok, will do that then... May 04 10:39:17 don't want to break the repo just by building anymore :P May 04 10:39:34 yep, well it's not THAT crucial for unstable May 04 10:39:40 but it's somewhat annoying May 04 10:39:46 yep annoying it is May 04 10:40:12 and for our soon to come release we need some facility for that anyway May 04 10:40:48 dos1: tried the new query in the sqlite backend? May 04 10:41:25 Heinervdm: you mean http://pastebin.com/m7a839f93 ? May 04 10:41:37 yes May 04 10:42:14 Heinervdm: so no, i'm going to test it now ;) May 04 10:42:43 if i understand the sqlite docu the right way, it should work :) May 04 10:52:19 Hi folks! I just have flashed todays shr-unstable. It doesn't boot up successfully. Is it already known? May 04 10:52:48 Ainulindale: mrmoku: ** ERROR **: Loading libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2.so.0 failed: libecore_imf_evas.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory May 04 10:52:48 aborting... May 04 10:53:00 i have this in ophonekit.log May 04 10:58:25 installing ecore-imf-evas solves this May 04 10:58:43 alexxy: new ticket, assign it to mrmoku :-) May 04 10:58:51 hmm May 04 10:58:56 seems not =( May 04 10:59:54 /usr/lib/libecore-ver-pre-svn-01.so.0 May 04 11:00:00 we have this version May 04 11:00:03 in root May 04 11:00:26 but phonegui wants /usr/lib/libecore.so.0 May 04 11:00:30 alexxy, mrmoku: we have to rebuild libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 :P May 04 11:00:43 and libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0 May 04 11:00:50 both have this issue May 04 11:00:56 hmm May 04 11:01:04 Yeah, that's logical both depend on the same stuff May 04 11:01:27 so shr-unstable is broken =) May 04 11:02:38 * mrmoku is building phonegui frontends... May 04 11:03:02 though I think we have to rebuild from scratch :( May 04 11:03:34 mzanetti: x does not start? May 04 11:03:36 http://rafb.net/p/LT28aJ22.html May 04 11:03:53 mrmoku: ^^ Ainulindale dos1 May 04 11:03:54 =) May 04 11:04:09 mrmoku: jep. May 04 11:04:18 you should rebuild everything that depends on libecore* May 04 11:04:27 all due to the e soname changes me thinks... May 04 11:04:34 yep May 04 11:04:45 hmmm May 04 11:04:48 seems yes May 04 11:04:49 =) May 04 11:04:59 mrmoku: maybe bumping PR would help? May 04 11:05:13 PR of ecore? May 04 11:05:25 of libframeworkd-phonegui* May 04 11:05:28 ophonekitd May 04 11:05:29 etc. May 04 11:05:37 or just new version May 04 11:05:37 and who knows what else :( May 04 11:05:39 :P May 04 11:05:58 will rebuild from scratch May 04 11:08:09 Aaaah, holidays May 04 11:08:10 I like that May 04 11:08:39 http://rafb.net/p/iNAxfN84.html May 04 11:08:46 temporal workaround May 04 11:15:51 Ainulindale: rebuild from scratch? May 04 11:16:03 What? May 04 11:16:06 unstable May 04 11:16:14 What was the question here, I meant May 04 11:16:36 normally you don't want me to rebuild from scratch :P May 04 11:16:52 Well to me that's not a good solution but go ahead I can't check now May 04 11:17:01 ok May 04 11:17:17 would like to update some autotools too... May 04 11:17:33 more and more stuff does not build due to the need for newer autotools stuff May 04 11:18:04 mzanetti: you saw alexxy's workaround? May 04 11:18:18 it's not a ful version May 04 11:18:31 but might give him x May 04 11:18:35 i'll post full workaround when it will work for me May 04 11:18:54 mrmoku, alexxy: yes... I'll try that. Thanks! May 04 11:19:22 and thank you very much for work on SHR. I really like it! May 04 11:19:33 gives me time too eat something and try to update autotools May 04 11:19:35 alexxy: thanks May 04 11:20:34 http://rafb.net/p/vgwuT747.html May 04 11:20:37 full version May 04 11:21:15 at least all packages that dpends on this libs should be rebuilded May 04 11:22:39 And after that people are complaining that mickey|bbq's patch is breaking update path :-) May 04 11:23:25 alexxy: don't know how to find out which packages that are though May 04 11:23:52 mrmoku: try running ldd on all binaryes May 04 11:24:03 and find out bins that has not found libs May 04 11:24:14 then assign that bins to packages May 04 11:24:21 rebuild from scrathc might be easier :) May 04 11:24:31 dunno how to do i for such kind of distro May 04 11:24:33 or use gentoo which has revdep-rebuild :) May 04 11:24:34 binarye wheat is quite difficult to digest, I'd say. May 04 11:24:39 (I'm hopeless) May 04 11:24:43 spaetz: +1 =) May 04 11:25:20 Ainulindale: I prepared a blog entry on mokomaze May 04 11:25:35 Good boy :-) May 04 11:25:35 which is added to the feed May 04 11:25:51 will make public as soon as the rebuild finished and it is actually installable May 04 11:26:17 I also made it part of the full image for testing with a call on feedback (should it be included or not by default...) May 04 11:26:52 mrmoku: find + ldd + grep =) May 04 11:26:56 for testing/for testing purposes, not testing the distro May 04 11:27:15 alexxy: would have to do that on the buildhost though... I don't have all packages installed May 04 11:27:35 anyway off for lunch now May 04 11:27:37 bbiab May 04 11:40:33 can you please trigger a mokomaze build, if the feed rebuild is going to take some more time until it succeeds? May 04 11:40:44 I'd love to publish my announcement May 04 11:41:41 spaetz: which announcement? May 04 11:47:53 spaetz: mokomaze ? call ? May 04 11:47:56 What's the link? May 04 11:48:33 phone bbl May 04 12:02:44 alexxy: I have tried your workaround. Unfortunately it doesn't solve the problem here. May 04 12:03:08 how can I start X in a somewhat more verbose mode? May 04 12:03:23 hmmm May 04 12:03:33 i dotn have preoblems with X =) May 04 12:05:29 Ainulindale, Zorkman: announcement is exaggerated, yes with regard to mokomaze May 04 12:05:43 draft text here: http://rafb.net/p/u5O0Ir24.html May 04 12:06:31 text is saved in blog.shr as a draft so far May 04 12:06:51 I still don't see why you want to put it in the default image May 04 12:07:03 So people see it and give feedback? May 04 12:07:23 if no one uses it, no feedback May 04 12:07:31 We have tons of stuff people install and can see without it being in the default image May 04 12:07:40 Publicizing it is a better way IMHO May 04 12:07:46 so why not include for a while and see what the reactions are May 04 12:07:49 * spaetz shrugs May 04 12:07:53 I don't really care May 04 12:07:54 spaetz: because it goes the other way around May 04 12:07:57 spaetz: are you using dbus-send to prevent screen dimming? or mdbus? May 04 12:08:04 dbus-send May 04 12:08:06 Talk about potential inclusion then see what the reactions are =) May 04 12:08:20 mdbus is really not suited for these types of things :) May 04 12:08:45 spaetz: yep, i know ;) that's why i sended dbus-send solution to maillist ;) May 04 12:08:51 Ainulindale: I still think people will react more if they get it with the default. But I don't really care. May 04 12:08:52 s/sended/sent/ May 04 12:09:18 dos1: I'll send the dbus-send tip to the mokomaze maintainer, he should update his page. May 04 12:09:21 spaetz: And I still think people will react more if they're asked the question :-) May 04 12:09:31 "Try that, what do you think about default inclusion?" May 04 12:09:37 spaetz: he already said that he want to update ;) May 04 12:09:55 * spaetz shrugs some more. I don't care. Will remove from default image May 04 12:09:57 for me mokomaze should be included May 04 12:10:10 +1 for mokomaze May 04 12:10:15 it's great app which utilize accelerometers May 04 12:10:22 I'd include it, but then I'd include the splash screen by default too, so I don't count May 04 12:10:24 and works really well on neo May 04 12:10:31 dos1: yep May 04 12:10:33 btw. which version of vala do you use? May 04 12:10:48 why not use fsoraw to prevent screen dimming? I think its extremely useful... Using it also with tangogps May 04 12:11:20 mzanetti: because it is not included in SHR yet and I like to take one step at a time. May 04 12:11:32 I can't rely on a thing that's not in the image by default May 04 12:11:44 and it's only wrapper for apps, which doesn't support preventing screen dimming itselves May 04 12:11:56 (fsoraw) May 04 12:12:12 spaetz: ah ok. Makes sense May 04 12:12:31 dos1: I still think fsoraw is nicer than ophonekitd.ousage but ophonekitd.ousage is there without additional effort, so I use it May 04 12:12:53 why write a small patch to request the display? May 04 12:13:07 dos1: crash mokomaze and the ophonekitd.ousage refcounting goes all bonkers May 04 12:13:38 spaetz: i think mokomaze should request resource from fso ousaged May 04 12:13:54 but not with some command May 04 12:13:57 in it's code :P May 04 12:14:02 dos1: agreed May 04 12:14:12 that would be best May 04 12:14:40 ophonekitd ousaged is good for shr-settings May 04 12:14:46 or some bash scripts May 04 12:15:00 but what I have now works and is a 2 line patch from the upstream code May 04 12:15:05 s/ophonekitd ousaged/ophonekitd.Usage/ May 04 12:15:18 so that's what I'll be using :) May 04 12:15:26 dos1, what about a start skript which checks if mokomaze crashed and releases it using dbus-send or mdbus? May 04 12:15:28 spaetz: config.json, yep? May 04 12:15:34 yep May 04 12:15:45 just using dbus-send rather than mdbus May 04 12:15:46 playya_: in polish i would say "przerost formy nad treścią" May 04 12:15:58 but in english... May 04 12:15:58 hmm May 04 12:17:01 it will be overloaded solution :P May 04 12:17:16 s/will/would/ May 04 12:17:27 hehe May 04 12:18:18 playya_: why so complicated if it worked automagically with fsoraw or even better have it request the resource from the app. I am sure the app maintainer would take a patch, he was quite open. May 04 12:18:41 i never used fsoraw May 04 12:19:41 afaik they are already discussing this on the mokomaze thread on the community ML May 04 12:20:13 ahh, good to know May 04 12:22:04 SHR: 03Sebastian 07shr-overlay * rbd68e24c0a98 10/openembedded/recipes/tasks/task-shr.bb: full image: Revert "add mokomaze to full image" to make Ainu happy. May 04 12:24:25 something different: yesterday I looked at the code of shr-messages and found out that there are already views for folders, sent-sms etc but they are not activated. Is currently someone working on this or is it on hold? May 04 12:26:56 spaetz: thanks :-) May 04 12:27:07 spaetz: but your opinion has value nonetheless, please ask that on shr-user! May 04 12:27:15 It's important to keep the users commited to what we would like to do May 04 12:27:21 Else we're not a community project May 04 12:27:52 mzanetti: it will be activated again with opimd integration. May 04 12:29:53 * onen has happily mapped 550 km of roads with two FRs May 04 12:34:17 Ainulindale: 100% agreed on that May 04 12:34:28 will do as soon as it is available in our feeds May 04 12:42:20 Ainulindale: hwo long does SHR take from pressing the power button to being in illume and all set to go? May 04 12:46:52 IIRC 60-20-60 last time I measured May 04 12:47:04 hm? May 04 12:47:15 60 from boot to X appears, 20 to illume presents the desktop, 60 until I get asked the SIM PIN :) May 04 12:47:22 ah ok May 04 12:47:24 thx May 04 12:47:35 very roughly and unscientifically measured May 04 12:47:47 a rough estimate is good :) May 04 12:47:49 why people doesn't disables SIM PIN?! May 04 12:47:51 was just curious May 04 12:47:59 np May 04 12:48:00 max_posedon: my SIM doesn't allow it May 04 12:48:00 max_posedon: because it's baaaaaaaaaaaad May 04 12:48:04 max_posedon: i don't think my SIM allows that May 04 12:48:16 because I like the indication that FSO is ready now May 04 12:48:27 before that opening a settings app doesn't even make sense May 04 12:48:32 or a dialer/contact app May 04 12:49:02 Ainulindale, why?! bad May 04 12:49:18 it's the same as disabling your login password May 04 12:49:31 hmm May 04 12:49:35 mine needs 45 seconds May 04 12:49:46 between pressing power and having the ability of making phone calls May 04 12:50:19 Ainulindale, but what is use case? May 04 12:50:43 mirko: darn, now that is fast May 04 12:50:49 if I lost my phone, I lost ~500$, ~40$ on GSM accouns is o-little May 04 12:51:02 I'm leaving, so I'll answer next time :-) May 04 12:51:03 what distro? May 04 12:51:07 spaetz: OpenWrt ;) May 04 12:51:20 * spaetz feels the urge to switch :) May 04 12:51:29 we need to make shr faster! May 04 12:51:37 bah, just never boot ;-D May 04 12:51:48 hehe, easier said than done May 04 12:51:56 why? May 04 12:52:11 I think I didn't boot for ~5days now May 04 12:52:38 leeme check May 04 12:52:42 I have to reflash every 2 days when opkg upgrade breaks :). I often forget to charge my phone, so the battery runs empty every 4-5 days May 04 12:53:14 I like to turn off the phone to save battery when i am sure no one will call me May 04 12:53:32 and I love the boot splash :) May 04 12:53:40 oops, only 2d 17h uptime May 04 12:54:20 spaetz: so if you love the bootsplash, you'll appreciate every second it takes to boot XD May 04 12:54:30 hehe May 04 12:54:33 touché May 04 12:55:05 ok, ignore the boot splash argument :), the others still hold May 04 12:55:38 agree, SHR could be faster. Especially time to sim-query May 04 12:55:48 seems endless May 04 12:56:01 yep May 04 12:56:10 pffft May 04 12:56:12 dunno if FSO is twiddling thumbs inbetween May 04 12:56:39 I think FSO is doing busy nonsense May 04 12:56:45 on modem powerup May 04 12:56:49 * spaetz thinks raster is having difficulties with breathing northern hemisphere air :) May 04 12:57:14 duh, northern hemisphere??? o.O May 04 12:57:41 ahh, not in this continent yet? I just remember a "boarding time" statement :) May 04 12:57:42 * DocScrutinizer starts traceroute May 04 12:57:50 its all thick,smelly and polluted up here in the north May 04 12:58:07 raster: that is called culture and civilization ;) May 04 12:58:14 * spaetz shuts up now May 04 12:58:22 hahahah May 04 12:59:59 fsckng xchat hides away IP, and there are people who don't expose a decent RDNS May 04 13:00:44 you caqnt find my ip May 04 13:00:47 i'm... cloaked! May 04 13:01:01 evil sneaker ;D May 04 13:03:59 MUHAHAHHA May 04 13:04:05 raster: you're in Europe already? May 04 13:04:13 now you get to play the game "where in the world is raster" May 04 13:05:24 I'd even accept a statement of "not on this planet" if it came from you ;D May 04 13:06:04 DocScrutinizer: HAHAHHAHAHA May 04 13:06:10 well i narrowed it down for you May 04 13:06:14 "were in the world" May 04 13:06:19 at least that limits your search May 04 13:06:28 somewhat May 04 13:06:32 * mrmoku thinks raster is in asia May 04 13:07:02 mrmoku: might apply, it's evening there now May 04 13:07:13 good raster-irc-time :) May 04 13:08:02 :) and the travel plan he posted to e ml states that he is in berlin on may 19 May 04 13:08:07 nothing before May 04 13:08:14 mrmoku: are you sure? May 04 13:08:19 or Argentina or something same lon, it's late morning there - also good raster-irc-time XD May 04 13:08:22 pfft May 04 13:08:24 raster: yep :-) May 04 13:08:36 mrmoku: i could be in oceania :) May 04 13:08:44 * mrmoku remembers raster saying that he goes to asia before europe May 04 13:09:48 * DocScrutinizer suspects raster nagging the CEO of HTC to build more FOSS-conform devices :) May 04 13:10:10 * mrmoku would very much appreciate that :P May 04 13:12:56 htc... pft May 04 13:13:05 they need to document their hdb format May 04 13:24:14 tracfeed: Ticket #425 (Use AUX button for locking the screen) updated May 04 13:26:33 anyone know where to get blueslee's keyboard (as seen on scap) May 04 13:26:35 ? May 04 13:32:39 mwester: do you know if any OE distro successfully uses automake 1.10? May 04 13:39:33 mrmoku: why has the simple screen lock been lost as default keybinding on illume? May 04 13:39:42 is there something we need to do? May 04 13:40:14 if not, we should issue on image generation: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/425#comment May 04 13:47:01 spaetz: don't know how it got lost May 04 13:47:08 mmh May 04 13:48:12 getting this one back to work would be nice, as well as adding in dos1 rules.yaml script to preform an action on holding that button for >1sec May 04 13:48:12 tracfeed: Ticket #413 (display profile in use) updated May 04 13:48:19 mucho useful May 04 13:48:46 don't know whether it conflicts with std illume keybinding though May 04 13:52:16 talking of lock: how about my suggested transparent screenlock which kicks in on suspend (err resume) and needs unlock via hw-button? May 04 13:53:01 i.e. to avoid unintentional ts-clicks when device wakes on inbound call in my pocket May 04 13:53:38 DocScrutinizer: call simple screen lock on suspend? May 04 13:53:52 also this ts-lock should tweak autosuspend time to absolute minimum while locked May 04 13:54:27 i would also really like an invisible (or at least very high transparency) screenlock May 04 13:54:41 it's really blockon a very big deal of the screen May 04 13:54:48 +1 May 04 13:55:16 spaetz: the idea is I never bother about locking device. instead I have autosuspend disabled, and manually suspend before I put away FR. May 04 13:55:44 DocScrutinizer: so you want a manual suspend and lock button? May 04 13:55:48 so when I resume by powerbutton ->device needs to be up and unlocked and no susp May 04 13:55:53 autosuspend May 04 13:56:35 well, I've to add I have to bother about locking it sometimes May 04 13:56:39 but if a call comes in, and I don't care at all (i.e. miss the call) device needs to suspend as soon as ringing stops May 04 13:57:06 for example, when listening to music while walking, or if you are writing a sms and have to put it one moment in your pocket o do something May 04 13:57:46 plus it mustn't enable touchscreen on inbound call, but needs to display dialer app but still has to be unlocked by pressing power button May 04 13:58:38 Sharwin_F: when writing SMS I suspend when I have a short break May 04 13:58:40 i agree with DocScrutinizer, it sounds good May 04 13:58:59 Sharwin_F: I agree on the MP3 thing tho May 04 13:59:27 hmm ok :) May 04 13:59:51 I suppouse suspending on the sms case it's also good May 04 14:00:00 ATM FSO has a bug not suspending at all when resumed by GPRS traffic (not tested if that applies for other resume causes as well) May 04 14:00:09 until I click the screen May 04 14:00:12 :-((( May 04 14:00:50 (FSO bug) applies for SHR-04-16 May 04 14:01:37 DocScrutinizer: sounds like you need quite some logic for the lock, patches welcome :) May 04 14:01:41 as I got it there's severe tiddling on resume ordering in FSO recently May 04 14:02:13 tWiddling May 04 14:04:37 spaetz: the logic is very simple: on suspend start semi-transparent screenlock, which disables ts and goes away with powerbutton-press. This screenlock temprarily tweaks settings to "autosuspend, minimum delay" and restores original settings when unlocked (aka end of screenlock app) May 04 14:06:13 of course for a polished version it had to check wake-cause and exit on wake-cause=power-button. May 04 14:07:20 also should signal dialer ap to accept a pending call when powerbutton is pressed to disable the screenlock (maybe. that's really a user config thing) May 04 14:13:18 SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * r63811f3901d6 10/openembedded/recipes/notifier/notifier_0.2.bb: notifier: fix some typos in the bb May 04 14:15:06 errrks, bip borked. sorry, will retransmit May 04 14:15:29 as I got it there's severe tiddling on resume ordering in FSO recently May 04 14:15:35 tWiddling May 04 14:15:58 spaetz: the logic is very simple: on suspend start semi-transparent screenlock, which disables ts and goes away with powerbutton-press. This screenlock temprarily tweaks settings to "autosuspend, minimum delay" and restores original settings when unlocked (aka end of screenlock app) May 04 14:16:06 of course for a polished version it had to check wake-cause and exit on wake-cause=power-button. May 04 14:16:16 also should signal dialer ap to accept a pending call when powerbutton is pressed to disable the screenlock (maybe. that's really a user config thing) May 04 14:16:24 DocScrutinizer: hmm... how comes you think it borked? have it twice now :P May 04 14:16:25 so before some guy beats me with "open a ticket" ;D.... May 04 14:16:31 * DocScrutinizer away May 04 14:16:52 [2009-05-04 16:13:51] *** Das Kanalthema lautet: "Openmoko Community Developer's Channel -- Open developer discussion on all firmware images, packages, and software | Please stay on topic and join #openmoko for non-developer discussion | FSO: May 04 14:17:36 was offline for a few minutes, so I didn't know. Sorry for reposting it May 04 14:17:47 :) you're allowed to do that May 04 14:24:39 mickey|bbq told me dialer / FSO will allocate some resource so there's no accidental suspend during inbound-ringing. It should be safe and simple to implement May 04 14:25:36 probably blocking ts being the hardest part of it May 04 14:26:51 mrmoku, I opkg upgraded and rebooted, and when I got E running I got a pop up about an error with connman module (don't know at all what was about, half of the dialog was away from the screen) May 04 14:26:52 as there mustn't be suspend-timer-reset on ts click, so it prolly won't help to just keep focus and discard events May 04 14:27:20 Sharwin_F: just click on unload and be happy :P May 04 14:27:30 connmand gadget is (and was since long) broken in e May 04 14:27:36 xD ok May 04 14:27:52 it just got blacklisted for that reason... so it is no more May 04 14:27:58 (by e) May 04 14:35:03 dunno if there's sth similar to `synclient TouchpadOff=1` May 04 14:40:45 mrmoku, why did you guys bump efl to 40478 May 04 14:50:58 nytowl: why not? May 04 14:51:49 dos1 I was just curious whether it was a feature or a bug fix May 04 14:53:17 nytowl: bug fix - shelf gadgets :P May 04 14:57:42 nytowl: testing is bumped to the one you use... unstable to something more current May 04 14:57:55 nytowl: btw... have you got a working syscon menu? guess not May 04 14:58:15 guess you don't use it in om2009? May 04 15:00:19 mrmoku, yes we do use it and yes it's broken May 04 15:00:26 ahh, ok :-) May 04 15:00:44 a bit difficult to hit buttons of one pixel width ;) May 04 15:01:02 I've been slowly tracing it through May 04 15:01:48 * raster is not totally convinced. android is a POS OS. May 04 15:02:03 and the calculation goes wrong in edje_calc.c May 04 15:02:18 nytowl: yo! May 04 15:02:26 hey raster May 04 15:04:16 now this will be fun May 04 15:04:30 getting oe to run on an android kernel on this g1 May 04 15:04:46 haha May 04 15:06:18 but that is a task... for another day May 04 15:07:01 but methinks it will begin by fucking with init May 04 15:08:10 raster, hey, I'll open a bug report in a pair of weeks or so, but atm, it's faster here: E crashes on installing libnotify (when installing ie. pidgin) May 04 15:08:31 hmmm May 04 15:08:37 ok on restart? May 04 15:08:42 not sure if it's libnotify, but I think so May 04 15:08:44 raster, yes May 04 15:08:46 hm May 04 15:08:58 well i guss its the fm widget or efreet May 04 15:09:01 just try installing pidgin, opkg install pidgin on SHR May 04 15:09:25 E will break at some point (installing libnotify) May 04 15:40:35 mrmoku: Ainulindale: is issue with libs reported by me fixed? May 04 15:49:34 shr people: won't it be a good idea to add http://www.opkg.org/package_213.html standard to the distro? May 04 15:49:44 have only tested it a little bit but it seems to work nicely May 04 15:50:09 Zorkman: there is a trac category for package requests May 04 15:50:16 feel free to add it there :-) May 04 15:50:17 alexxy: no... it is rebuilding (and will do so for some time) May 04 15:50:27 But I agree :-) May 04 15:50:28 notifier is in SHR feed May 04 15:50:31 ;p May 04 15:50:35 since last night May 04 15:50:40 Ah good then May 04 15:50:42 but it is rebuilding now :P May 04 15:50:47 IMHO this should go as a default May 04 15:50:53 As everybody is asking for it May 04 15:51:06 Ainulindale: i meant default May 04 15:51:16 but i can't see why for there is "1 unread message" May 04 15:51:24 as message pops up automatically May 04 15:51:27 but maybe... May 04 15:51:41 we should make it default in distro May 04 15:51:45 dos1: in the future it'll be useful May 04 15:51:49 then disable automatic message popup May 04 15:51:54 Especially if you add messages feeds in opimd May 04 15:51:55 yeah May 04 15:51:59 dos1: +1 May 04 15:52:08 and then play with notifier May 04 15:52:29 so: when there is only 1 unread message: view it after click May 04 15:52:38 if there are few unread messages: open shr-messages May 04 15:52:43 after click May 04 15:53:15 and after that... play with GUI, to be more eye candy and finger friendly - we don't need that blank space ;D May 04 15:53:33 true May 04 15:53:52 can someone talk with author of notifier to have it in shr git repos May 04 15:53:55 that big menu could maybe display the last person that called you and the name of the sender of the last sms you missed May 04 15:54:08 ? May 04 15:54:26 then everyone from SHR will be able to play with it May 04 15:55:15 dos1: that's not the behavior I'd like May 04 15:55:25 dos1: I'd rather make it call dbus methods May 04 15:55:32 and as we'll expose phonegui through dbus May 04 15:55:36 it'll be easy to do anything May 04 15:56:00 Ainulindale: yep, i agree May 04 16:00:54 btw: on shr-testing i always get: May 04 16:00:54 [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy May 04 16:00:54 [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy May 04 16:01:00 anyone heard about this error? May 04 16:07:52 Ainulindale: the author of notifier is quite interested in that... May 04 16:08:15 in fact he wishes to have a dbus signal for unanswered calls... May 04 16:08:15 (from ophonekitd) May 04 16:08:48 and he's also interested in the phonegui thingie per se May 04 16:09:05 Who is he? May 04 16:09:08 so... would be about time to finally start the dbusification thread, no? May 04 16:09:15 m0nt0 May 04 16:09:18 Well ptitjes was supposed to do that May 04 16:09:30 m0nt0: poooong May 04 16:09:44 mrmoku: well I'll do a mail then May 04 16:09:54 thanks May 04 16:10:40 here i am May 04 16:10:42 sorry May 04 16:11:11 what's up? May 04 16:11:25 m0nt0: well it's been a while I intended to dbusify libframeworkd-phonegui May 04 16:11:38 In order for everyone to be able to call phonegui "windows" May 04 16:11:44 there's already a functional separation of the different functions May 04 16:11:56 what we need now is to do the actual development of the dbus interfaces May 04 16:12:29 yes, not only that, in the vala rewrite there are some improvements that can be used May 04 16:12:56 well the migration is planned as well May 04 16:13:03 my intention were to talk to ptitjes but no problem May 04 16:14:01 well you might as well talk to me as I was the requester of this migration :-) May 04 16:14:16 the problem of the actual gui is that everything need to be initialized, right? (dialer call einit, contacts call e init) and everything is loaded more than once, right? May 04 16:14:32 nope May 04 16:14:40 well, not exactly May 04 16:14:46 ah ok :D May 04 16:14:51 the intent was to init/preload in ophonekitd May 04 16:15:02 then the display things should be done from ophonekitd too May 04 16:15:04 through dbus May 04 16:15:13 a multi-threaded sandboxed ophonekitd I'd say May 04 16:15:29 this is what was behind phonegui_init at the start May 04 16:15:42 it has evolved a bit and now doesn't reflect completly what I thought about when I wrote it May 04 16:16:33 mmmh, well separate pieces (thread may be) that are loaded once and stay initialized and provide things via dbus call May 04 16:16:43 yep May 04 16:16:44 i've looked at the vala code May 04 16:16:49 and? May 04 16:17:05 well in this i didn't saw any gui, is it planned to be integrated there right? May 04 16:17:16 The gui has nothing to do with ophonekitd May 04 16:17:54 GUIs are based on specifications, initially according to libframeworkd-phonegui, in the future according to that and/or dbus specs May 04 16:18:05 Am I clear? :-) May 04 16:18:43 anyone knows where to get blueslee's keyboard: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a0b7812b479d5cb7c9732db9e84a0a2c.png? May 04 16:18:43 yeah, but this will lead to a more complex thing and a slower things May 04 16:18:50 Nope May 04 16:19:10 I can't see why you think that. Be more specific :-) May 04 16:19:45 well my idea is that ophonekitd could provide also a gui, so that everything stay "preloaded" and when a call come in, ophonekitd could call something like gui.win_call_incoming(number) May 04 16:19:57 that's my idea too May 04 16:19:58 this is done fast May 04 16:20:00 but again May 04 16:20:04 the gui has nothing to do with ophonekitd :-) May 04 16:20:15 it's initialized in ophonekitd, yes, but through a library May 04 16:20:23 the main goal was to be able to modularize libraries May 04 16:20:44 As an example I'll have libframeworkd-phonegui-messages-efl May 04 16:20:48 which will have a init method of some sort May 04 16:20:55 which will be launched by ophonekitd in the end, yes May 04 16:21:04 and will reside in term of memory in ophonekitd May 04 16:21:08 and run as ophonekitd May 04 16:21:23 but the code in itself has to be thoroughly separated May 04 16:21:23 that's what I meant May 04 16:21:27 ok, we are saying the same thing May 04 16:21:29 :D May 04 16:21:30 yep :-) May 04 16:21:53 Would you be interested in helping us with this dbus specification? May 04 16:22:00 And in writing the underlying code? May 04 16:22:09 modularized gui, "pluginnable" so that if someone write gtk-message-phonegui could run that May 04 16:22:16 yes, really interested in that May 04 16:22:25 yep exactly what you just said May 04 16:22:28 ok May 04 16:22:37 my intent was to build libraries as providers May 04 16:22:45 they provide a GUI service in a functional context May 04 16:22:52 my idea was python (learning vala since saturday) May 04 16:22:55 (messages, contacts, notification, dialer...) May 04 16:23:01 yeah May 04 16:23:04 they are registered in ophonekitd May 04 16:23:12 at startup or through dbus calls May 04 16:23:21 and ophonekitd exposes the basic dbus methods to call them May 04 16:23:28 show message(i), show message folder(j) May 04 16:23:29 etc May 04 16:23:57 yes, also ophonekitd could provide some "high level" telephony function May 04 16:24:20 like "send_message("text more than 160chars", number)" May 04 16:24:31 well we could but we won't May 04 16:24:37 :( May 04 16:24:37 as this will be done by the framework in the end May 04 16:24:43 oh ok May 04 16:24:49 we can do that as a quick and dirty fix May 04 16:24:54 but the framework intent is that May 04 16:25:13 well no problem ok May 04 16:25:53 so with the new system messages and similar apps should launch only a dbus signal like show_the_dialer() May 04 16:26:09 exactly May 04 16:26:12 oooook May 04 16:26:12 maybe prefilled with info May 04 16:26:13 :D May 04 16:26:20 yes yes May 04 16:26:26 let us say you build a tool to do quick messags May 04 16:26:27 +e May 04 16:26:32 that was exactly what was in my mind May 04 16:26:34 E.g. 'Let us meet at XXX'" May 04 16:26:38 You'll provide this as a default text May 04 16:27:08 tracfeed: Ticket #425 (Use AUX button for locking the screen) updated May 04 16:27:18 ok, except in irc is there a ml for this conversation? May 04 16:27:39 i'm also in shr-devel but i have received no mex May 04 16:27:50 Yeah that's because we didn't do any yet May 04 16:27:54 I'll start today :-) May 04 16:28:04 Well I won't postpone May 04 16:28:05 I'll start now May 04 16:28:07 ok, i was afraid that something went wrong May 04 16:29:35 another thing, i don't know if it's for ophonekitd or frameworkd, but should be good to have another place to store sms, and may be mails... don't know if it's related to opimd May 04 16:29:48 it is May 04 16:29:53 and you should talk about that with dos1 May 04 16:30:32 we are all waiting for that ahah May 04 16:30:33 m0nt0: now i'm working on contacts. when i'll finish, i will start to work on messages in opimd ;) May 04 16:31:15 now contacts works good i think May 04 16:31:42 we need only merging contacts, adding contacts in SIM backend, and ability to add new fields to existing contact May 04 16:31:53 dos1, no problem, just because sms space on the sim is really small May 04 16:32:12 Zorkman: ask again ;) May 04 16:32:14 m0nt0: i know :) i want to have it done too May 04 16:33:03 Heinervdm: i can't test it now, because Contacts domain don't support addind new fields at all... but my eyes tell me, that it should work ;D May 04 16:33:18 dos1, no problem for the time, just asked if it was for opimd or ophonekitd to see if i am of any help, if it's opimd, i'll wait and i'll be on ophonekitd and the gui part May 04 16:33:57 m0nt0: firstly opimd part have to be done May 04 16:34:09 after that phonegui and ophonekitd May 04 16:34:55 well ptitjes is working at ophonekitd and libmodulo no? this thing can be done in parallel no? May 04 16:35:05 sorry for my english, i'm italian May 04 16:36:45 mrmoku: do you know when current shr-unstable build will be finished? May 04 16:36:50 ophonekitd can be done in parallel m0nt0 May 04 16:36:55 and don't worry m0nt0 May 04 16:37:00 dos1 is polish, I'm french May 04 16:37:02 And mrmoku sucks May 04 16:37:07 Err, is german I mean May 04 16:37:15 Heinervdm: what do you mean? May 04 16:37:57 Ainulindale, but mrmoku can speak ita too :D May 04 16:37:57 Zorkman: to late, BluesLee was there for 2 min May 04 16:38:21 ah, i see it now May 04 16:38:27 thanks anyway :) May 04 16:40:15 ok, so what do we have to do now? :D i'm so excited May 04 16:41:15 oh, i'll be away from tomorrow to friday, may be that i won't be able to do anything but i can do something while away form home May 04 16:41:29 m0nt0: I'm mailing currently May 04 16:41:54 Ainulindale, ok, so i can setup my fetch mail filter now :D May 04 16:42:22 Sent May 04 16:42:47 mickey|bbq, alphaone, mrmoku, dos1: check your mail May 04 16:49:12 anyone using fingertier? does anyone know how to add music files? May 04 17:10:22 dos1: http://pastebin.com/m5695863e SQlite Contacts Backend converted to Messages Backend May 04 17:12:18 janf: Running task 2206 of 6981 May 04 17:12:24 will take its time... May 04 17:13:43 Ainulindale: I might suck... but at least I'm not french ;) May 04 17:14:13 Zorkman: hi. I have done 550 kms with two FRs with neighbours. And we are testing :-) May 04 17:14:18 Heinervdm: yay! May 04 17:14:25 Heinervdm: thanks :) May 04 17:14:28 mrmoku: don't be jealous :-p May 04 17:14:32 mrmoku: probably more than 3 hrs left, right? then i will build it on my own May 04 17:14:48 Ainulindale, there is a problem with my subsciption to shr-devel, archives are not empty and i'm subscibed since march i think May 04 17:14:49 janf: well... mor than 3hrs I think May 04 17:14:55 janf: can you build faster? May 04 17:15:01 Ainulindale: :P May 04 17:15:28 mrmoku: well too bad for you then as we migrated two weeks ago :-) May 04 17:15:28 I mailed everyone about that May 04 17:15:33 mrmoku: yes, around 3 hours, i think May 04 17:15:35 I unsubscribed everyone and invited them to another list May 04 17:15:42 m0nt0: lists.shr-project.org May 04 17:16:11 janf: wow... what buildhost is that? May 04 17:16:13 why shr need 2ml? all shr users are shr devs) May 04 17:16:23 max_posedon: pfff! :-) May 04 17:16:35 it's becoming hell of ml' May 04 17:16:46 toooo many May 04 17:16:47 max_posedon: it makes us feel more important :P May 04 17:16:51 mrmoku: my computer with a quad-core cpu May 04 17:16:53 * mrmoku wants shr-announce too ;) May 04 17:16:55 well I just think that devel wasn't "quiet" enough :-) May 04 17:17:01 mrmoku: I intend to do that :-) May 04 17:17:08 now it is quiet May 04 17:17:18 yeah May 04 17:17:25 janf: nice May 04 17:17:27 I just posted mrmoku May 04 17:17:31 my babies needs me, see ya soon May 04 17:17:32 Waiting for your pennies May 04 17:17:37 shr-null ml May 04 17:17:40 Or penises, depending on what you prefer May 04 17:17:45 I bet DocScrutinizer tends for the latter May 04 17:17:47 ;D May 04 17:18:22 * mrmoku wonders if he should close himself firmly in his car on FSOSHRUDCON May 04 17:18:37 hahaha May 04 17:20:44 DocScrutinizer: your opinion is welcome too by the way May 04 17:22:44 Ainulindale: so... with ologicd I could send incoming calls from you to libframeworkd-phonegui-null? :P May 04 17:23:04 opinion? May 04 17:23:17 DocScrutinizer: mail on shr-devel May 04 17:23:33 (not on penises) May 04 17:23:34 mrmoku: well that may be the case yes May 04 17:23:37 I'm not on shr-devel May 04 17:24:02 http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-devel/2009-May/000004.html May 04 17:24:06 mrmoku: I have several use cases in mind for that though May 04 17:24:27 hmm... that mainloop thingie might get interesting at least May 04 17:25:50 errr May 04 17:26:38 * DocScrutinizer feels like massive hypoglycemia May 04 17:29:32 *filling DocScrutinizer with glucose solution* May 04 17:54:24 mrmoku: replied :-) May 04 17:56:44 Ainulindale: you or do you mean me? May 04 17:57:22 mrmoku: Ainulindale replied on maillist to you ;) May 04 17:57:31 i've just seen that mail May 04 17:57:57 Ainulindale: with library... you mean one phonegui implementation right? not toolkit...? May 04 17:58:08 dos1: now I have it too... before not yet May 04 17:58:29 dos1: do you really think the e gadget problems are solved now? May 04 17:58:44 mrmoku: i have tested it... and it seems to work :x May 04 17:58:58 mrmoku: yes May 04 17:59:00 Ainulindale: another thing I would like to discuss... the buildhost May 04 17:59:22 building into what gets exposed via http is bad May 04 17:59:54 what would you think if I do some small rsync thingie (or even integrate it in the Makefile)? May 04 18:05:33 i would like to see more people working on opimd... May 04 18:05:41 right now there are only Heinervdm, mrmoku and me... May 04 18:05:55 dos1: I would like to see more CPU's building :P May 04 18:06:14 and maybe that guy from elmphonelog May 04 18:06:20 and noone else :( May 04 18:06:31 mrmoku: Good idea :-) May 04 18:06:52 dos1: well I could but someone would have to drive me towards what is necessary May 04 18:06:52 ok will try something then May 04 18:06:57 I don't have much time all in all May 04 18:07:07 but I'm currently enjoying holidays May 04 18:07:14 mrmoku: focus on priorities :-) May 04 18:07:42 well for me that is a priority... I feel bad when I kill mokos in the wild :P May 04 18:07:54 mrmoku, hmm since I opkg upgraded before, ophonekitd doesn't start May 04 18:08:08 $ ophonekitd May 04 18:08:08 ** ERROR **: Loading libframeworkd-phonegui-efl.so.0 failed: libecore_imf_evas.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory May 04 18:08:08 aborting... May 04 18:08:08 Aborted May 04 18:10:26 S.O.S May 04 18:10:27 xD May 04 18:13:09 mrmoku: i will test sqlite messages backend now.. i think it's time to adapt message list to opimd in lfd-phonegui-efl2 ;) May 04 18:13:12 <\marco> hi to all May 04 18:19:20 hey guys. Seems Dieter found (a clue to) the cause of #1024 :-))) Dieter is amazing, really May 04 18:19:35 :) May 04 18:20:53 dos1: and sending still the old way, right? May 04 18:21:05 mrmoku: yep May 04 18:21:06 wow DocScrutinizer, that is good news May 04 18:21:15 just list May 04 18:21:19 for testing May 04 18:21:22 DocScrutinizer: anywere on the web some info about his findings? May 04 18:21:46 not yet. we need a few days to doublecheck May 04 18:21:58 super May 04 18:22:19 and DocScrutinizer: will it be a *possible* sollution?, or just a small clue May 04 18:22:33 I have a dream May 04 18:22:39 one day it will be a real phone :P May 04 18:23:00 not to trigger shock and awe by stating it needs hw-fix, then finally finding it's all completely different May 04 18:23:55 Heinervdm: cur.execute('INSERT OR REPLACE contact_values (field,value) VALUES (?.?) WHERE field=? AND contactId=?',(field,value,field,contactId)) May 04 18:23:55 OperationalError: near "contact_values": syntax error May 04 18:24:12 DocScrutinizer: you might want to inform trisoft maybe if it's a hw mod; they are going to do a big buzz fix (people can send their fr to them) May 04 18:24:12 so just stay patient, we're eager to come up with good news as well ;-) honestly May 04 18:24:38 mickey? May 04 18:24:52 Zorkman: all on the todo list. May 04 18:25:03 perfect, keep up the good work! (and dieter too) May 04 18:25:20 for now we have a clue, nothing more May 04 18:25:44 dos1: will search for the right syntax May 04 18:34:06 dos1: it doesn't work with REPLACE we have to do an aditional query May 04 18:34:19 Heinervdm: looks like May 04 18:35:02 WHERE is not alowed with REPLACE, i don't know how REPLACE can be used :) May 04 18:36:14 did I get some answer about the error I mentioned? I had to reboot computer May 04 18:39:27 Sharwin_F: hehe, guess not May 04 18:39:40 Sharwin_F: when did you do the upgrade? May 04 18:40:01 Sharwin_F: problem probably is that ophonekitd is linked against wrong e libs May 04 18:41:07 Sharwin_F: you might try the workaround from alexxy: http://rafb.net/p/vgwuT747.html May 04 18:41:51 mrmoku: hows rebuilding going? May 04 18:42:19 Running task 3344 of 6981 May 04 18:42:25 ohhh May 04 18:42:42 still the lite image :( May 04 18:42:52 after that the full image... the distro and then the index May 04 18:43:41 mrmoku: poke me when youre finish May 04 18:43:59 alexxy, do you have the same problem? May 04 18:44:13 mrmoku, don't know exactly, this midday/afternoon May 04 18:44:16 mrmoku: btw what the state of opimd addressbook May 04 18:44:45 alexxy: you mean gui or opimd state? May 04 18:44:54 both =) May 04 18:45:11 alexxy: opimd state - it's almost finished (contacts) May 04 18:45:16 alexxy: working on it... with rough edges something works yeah May 04 18:45:34 alexxy: gui written by mrmoku - it likes to segfault, but it seems to work ;) May 04 18:45:41 dos1: http://pastebin.com/m1b68f1f2 http://pastebin.com/m447874d2 May 04 18:46:23 Ainulindale: btw... are there vala bindings for ncurses? :P May 04 18:47:14 * mrmoku was just asking because the buildhost was building ncurses... May 04 18:49:28 Ainulindale: what about libframeworkd-phonegui-ncurses? ;x May 04 18:50:15 Ainulindale, i'm so stupid nothing received because i was on projects.... enad not in the lists.shr-project.org May 04 18:50:43 m0nt0: http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-devel/2009-May/000004.html May 04 18:54:43 Heinervdm: ok, now it works (contacts, with small changes) May 04 18:54:49 thanks :) May 04 18:55:40 good, opimd is getting better and better, now we need programs wich use it ;) May 04 18:56:46 hehe... was that a hint? :P May 04 18:57:07 only a smal one ;) May 04 18:58:06 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r86b72dd8f52f 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimb_sqlite_contacts.py pimd_contacts.py): opimd: SQLite_Contacts: implement adding new fields to contact on Update() May 04 18:58:29 dos1: I hope for you the buildhost did not yet build frameworkd ;) May 04 18:58:36 ;D May 04 19:00:21 Heinervdm: messages i will commit as you sent, without tests May 04 19:00:39 Heinervdm: i will test and fix it (if needed) when i will work on Messages domain May 04 19:00:41 ;) May 04 19:01:55 ok May 04 19:02:39 ah copy and past error :) May 04 19:03:46 dos1: in the Message backend is the same error May 04 19:03:52 i know May 04 19:05:17 pasta error - not aldente May 04 19:06:28 uuhhh... my wife would not like that ;) May 04 19:06:35 chinese spagetti: copy pasta May 04 19:07:42 duh, or was that the genuine ones and italian the copy? ;-) May 04 19:08:12 ahh... she would like that even less ;) May 04 19:08:26 hehe May 04 19:09:28 dos1: Yes I still have a template libframeworkd-phonegui-ncurses mouse aware uncomitted May 04 19:10:34 * dos1 don't like uncommited stuff May 04 19:10:40 s/don't/doesn't/ May 04 19:10:53 * Deubeuliou would like to commit his stuff :p May 04 19:10:55 Uncomitted for 5 months May 04 19:11:00 Rather 7 May 04 20:10:27 mrmoku: problems with testing? May 04 20:11:17 mrmoku: did an upgrade today, suspending doesnt work anymore, i get a vertical line in the middle of the screen May 04 20:17:38 BluesLee, I have the same problem. But suspending works, it's just the window that pops up if you press the power button that does not work. May 04 20:18:32 I think something in the updated e-wm is broken. Probably the syscon module. I'm currently building a new version with the changes to syscon reverted. I will let you know if it fixes the problem. May 04 20:19:25 BluesLee: known upstream e problem May 04 20:25:31 Im waiting for a new image to flash... my unstable is totally broken. ophonkitd is not starting, frameworkd never asks for a SIM pin etc May 04 20:27:01 reflashing backup May 04 20:28:11 I'm always disturbing people to know if upgrades break something, and the only time I don't ask I get lots of things broken, lol May 04 20:28:41 upgrading is in general a bad idea May 04 20:31:01 no if you install lots of packages which aren't on the repo after reflashing... :P May 04 20:31:23 reinstalling the whole bunch of apps is a hell May 04 20:32:05 Sharwin_F: we have to work harder then to get all those apps into our feed May 04 20:32:07 hope I've time in some weeks and create some bb files to add the apps to OE and have them in shr repos May 04 20:32:08 then it would be no pain May 04 20:32:30 Sharwin_F: are there apps that are not already in our trac as requested? May 04 20:32:32 mrmoku, that's true :) May 04 20:32:39 mrmoku, intone May 04 20:32:44 if so... you could just add tickets? :P May 04 20:32:54 yeah.. intone... want that too :-) May 04 20:32:54 in fact, I would put it as a default music player in SHR May 04 20:33:36 mrmoku, having exams right now, in some weeks I'll start adding tickets and try to help with the recipes too ;) May 04 20:33:41 BluesLee: [18:18:40] anyone knows where to get blueslee's keyboard: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a0b7812b479d5cb7c9732db9e84a0a2c.png? May 04 20:34:29 has anyone used intone? May 04 20:34:30 Sharwin_F: ok... will try to get intone bitboken soon May 04 20:34:33 Heinervdm: ask himself May 04 20:34:33 is it good? May 04 20:34:46 spaetz: i use it May 04 20:34:46 spaetz: never tried it because we don't have it May 04 20:34:52 * mrmoku strictly uses shr repos only :P May 04 20:34:55 mrmoku: ahh :). same here May 04 20:35:02 BluesLee: isn't it your keyboard? May 04 20:35:07 I don't like pythm and heard good things about intone May 04 20:35:11 but people are talking a lot about it May 04 20:35:15 yeah May 04 20:35:20 Heinervdm: i have to make further changes May 04 20:35:21 so I'd like to give it a try. May 04 20:35:24 spaetz, it works really well :) May 04 20:35:34 spaetz: will you... or shall I? May 04 20:35:42 BluesLee: ah, ok May 04 20:35:44 I use it daily to listen to music May 04 20:35:48 mrmoku: I can but not today :) May 04 20:35:52 Heinervdm: for instance i have a problem with the p:-) May 04 20:36:05 spaetz: ok, will give it a short shot then... NOW May 04 20:36:07 BTW, I also gave libode a try, and got stuck at automake May 04 20:36:19 mrmoku: you beat me :) May 04 20:36:20 yep... needs automake 1.10 May 04 20:36:39 Heinervdm: as i use my right hand i can hardly hit it because auf the neo edges May 04 20:36:50 I received a nifty little Sheeva Plug computer that is 5x5x5cm (or so), browsing throught the docs now May 04 20:37:03 and think what I could it actually use for :) May 04 20:37:34 Heinervdm: but you can also use this one:http://www.opkg.org/package_206.html May 04 20:37:52 Heinervdm: unpack it and copy the files to your neo May 04 20:38:02 ok :) May 04 20:38:47 Heinervdm: its not hard to modify it, you can add :-) and ;-( if you want May 04 20:40:02 spaetz: intone should be in the shr feed, mokomaze also, its really good May 04 20:40:45 spaetz: i mean they are missing May 04 20:41:03 btw, every time I reflash shr I've to do something similiar to this: http://espeweb.no-ip.com/_espacio/openmoko/shr-install.txt May 04 20:41:09 so it's a pain in the ass May 04 20:42:28 Sharwin_F: hey, it looks like my script, hehe May 04 20:42:46 hope you understand now why I don't like reflashing... xD May 04 20:43:07 BluesLee, yeah, the problem mine isn't a script, so have to do it manually xD May 04 20:44:19 BluesLee: where can we find your kb? May 04 20:44:40 BluesLee: no mokomaze is not missing May 04 20:44:55 I have added it the last couple of days, took some tweaking May 04 20:45:02 well, at least version 0.2.3 May 04 20:46:26 Zorkman: its not ready yet May 04 20:46:47 BluesLee: well, what are you still doing here then? ;-p May 04 20:48:13 Zorkman: http://pastebin.ca/1412554 May 04 20:48:19 Well, guys, keeping working on those scripts... upgrades are "polish" on software, and there's nothing availalble for the om devices that's anywhere close to finished enough for folks to worry about polishing. May 04 20:49:07 * spaetz cries "I just want to make calls..." May 04 20:49:28 lol May 04 20:49:32 took me 30 minutes today to answer a call that I could not receive... May 04 20:49:51 However, if *somebody* in the community were to volunteer to be the "upgrade-master" (meaning they would keep up to date on E, OE, SHR, kernel changes so that they can ensure upgrade paths exist, and are tested for all changes, I'm sure that Ainulindale and his team would listen... May 04 20:50:25 would be almost a fulltime job :P May 04 20:50:37 a life of dedication May 04 20:50:41 xD May 04 20:51:03 It would MORE than a fulltime job. May 04 20:51:32 I were already happy if we wouldn't switch branches in the -testing tree and update efl continously... May 04 20:51:36 * spaetz ducks May 04 20:51:43 and shuts up May 04 20:51:46 They would have to keep track of not just what is changed by the SHR team, but also what is being changed upstream (it was raster's e packaging changes that started the most recent nightmare). May 04 20:51:52 Zorkman: i have to play around a little bit with the kbds, also numbers and maybe the terminal one which i dont like May 04 20:52:21 And of course, one has to do this job without ANY ability to change ANYONE's work. May 04 20:52:25 Sigh. May 04 20:52:43 :) seems like you have some experience with it May 04 20:53:01 Just try to convince the upstream guys that the e naming change was a problem, and listen to the defensiveness start. May 04 20:53:22 spaetz: I am intimately familoar with that nighmare; I manage a distro that is OE based. May 04 20:54:43 ahh, ok, then you HAVE experience with that May 04 20:54:47 what distro? May 04 20:54:59 SlugOS May 04 20:55:12 ping mickey May 04 20:55:30 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/SlugOS/HomePage May 04 20:55:36 heard of that. never used it though (well, I don't have a slug) May 04 20:55:48 it's those nifty cheap linksys NAS, right May 04 20:55:53 ;) unofficially, it runs on the Sheevaplug as well. May 04 20:56:03 * spaetz is happy like a kid with his new SheevaPlug May 04 20:56:07 The Sheevaplug, IMO, is what will replace it. May 04 20:56:10 which I received today May 04 20:56:13 that is one cool little box. May 04 20:56:25 runs stock ubuntu just fine though May 04 20:56:46 heh! but who wants to run a desktop distro? May 04 20:57:04 I was amazed to see they put ubuntu (jaunty) on it rather than some ancient custom snapshot of something unmaintained/commercial May 04 20:57:16 I was surprised as well. May 04 20:57:52 now I need to find a cheap external USB hard disk to make it my backup box May 04 20:58:15 * spaetz notices he veers slightly off-topic in the openmoko channel. sorry :) May 04 20:58:19 more general purpose i/o? May 04 20:58:23 I don't know the relationships, but it seems that a Marvell employee (?) drove a lot of the open-source stuff, and really pushed it forward. It looks like most of the kernel stuff will be in 2.6.3x kernels, May 04 20:58:45 cool, now that is a smart move May 04 20:59:05 spaetz: Not so much off-topic -- consider if Openmoko had shipped the gta02 with a rootfs/kernel that was as close to fully-functional as the sheevaplug is... May 04 20:59:05 tmzt: some serial port, a usb, gigabit ethernet, some SDIO port May 04 20:59:09 where would we be now? May 04 20:59:15 * spaetz sighs now May 04 20:59:32 cool May 04 20:59:55 you mean a kernel that actually boots and doesn't oops? :) May 04 21:00:02 Someone already showed on the sheevaplug wiki how to modify an SD card adaptor to use the SD card pins as GPIO. May 04 21:00:07 on openmoko, is shr just ophonekitd and libphonekitgui-efl? May 04 21:00:10 spaetz: Yeah. that. May 04 21:00:49 tmzt: shr is an entire distro, that includes those things, but a lot more. May 04 21:01:18 I mean is that all that's needed to have a phone ui with illume installed? May 04 21:01:18 tmzt: FSO plus some sugar, I'd say at this stage. But we do a lot of integration and front end work May 04 21:01:30 tmzt: shr-settings too May 04 21:01:38 some themes May 04 21:01:42 a bit like FSO does the hard grunt work (debian) and we earn the credits (ubuntu) :) May 04 21:01:49 has shr-settings been divided into a long lived part and a gui? May 04 21:01:51 pyphonelog May 04 21:02:18 dos1: I want to see elmphonelog, if it's any better (ie quicker) I am for replacing May 04 21:02:25 tmzt: no. why it should be divided? May 04 21:02:39 hi May 04 21:02:42 what's dbus-hlid? May 04 21:02:43 it handles backlight and stuff like that? May 04 21:03:03 dos1: yes it has a very long lived part. I start it when I boot and never close the main menu :) May 04 21:03:15 tmzt: it handles stuff via frameworkd May 04 21:03:16 I thought it was just a configuration gui but somebody said it also has runtime features May 04 21:03:48 anyway, gone for today. bye May 04 21:03:54 tmzt: it is just configuration gui May 04 21:04:00 ok May 04 21:04:04 tmzt: as it should be May 04 21:04:49 yeah May 04 21:07:10 tmzt: if only it will become daemon, it will be only for fast start purposes May 04 21:07:24 ok, that makes sense May 04 21:07:37 are the settings going to be integrated with illume's/e's? May 04 21:07:42 but i think we should do something more generic, for all python scripts May 04 21:07:54 or are those going to be simplified May 04 21:08:02 tmzt: look at System tab in illume config May 04 21:08:04 ;D May 04 21:08:22 dos1: there is still some overlap May 04 21:08:34 like the screen blanking settings May 04 21:08:50 and other stuff that needs to be cut to make things fit on a screen :) May 04 21:08:56 * spaetz is really off to bed now May 04 21:09:09 spartz: where? May 04 21:09:11 night... intone is still building May 04 21:09:19 it's good for me May 04 21:09:22 dos1: BTW, do you know how and where to add the keybindings for illume? May 04 21:09:38 I really want to have AUX connected to the simple screen lock again May 04 21:09:56 and having a long key press (as you described in the SHR ticket) do something else May 04 21:10:11 that would make lots of things easier May 04 21:10:29 mrmoku: night May 04 21:10:43 spaetz: yeah... night May 04 21:11:00 spaetz: i know how user can add May 04 21:11:17 but why it isn't default, i don't know... May 04 21:11:30 It used to be the default for a while May 04 21:11:38 yep May 04 21:11:40 i know May 04 21:11:41 at least I remember it working without me setting it up May 04 21:11:48 me too May 04 21:12:00 mmh, ok. May 04 21:13:13 anyway... I'm off too now... will commit intone tomorrow... cannot build it before then anyway... night May 04 21:15:37 hm dbus-hlid break on me with: ** (valac:7320): CRITICAL **: vala_ccode_block_add_statement: assertion `statement != NULL' failed May 04 21:16:13 is that a known issue/is there a solution/workaround? May 04 21:38:30 #openmoko May 04 21:39:21 mrmoku|away: Any news on a sorted out SHR-Unstable? Or is it still broke? May 04 21:41:33 or shr-testing for that sake May 04 21:43:35 DocScrutinizer? May 04 21:43:52 yup? May 04 21:43:59 whasup May 04 21:44:01 ? May 04 21:44:12 I was looking for a simple way to buy a motherboard May 04 21:44:16 Couldn't find any cheap way in France May 04 21:44:23 huh? May 04 21:44:25 I was wondering if you could help me to find a similar thing in germanyt May 04 21:44:28 -t May 04 21:44:35 np May 04 21:44:35 Specifically the MSI IM-945GC May 04 21:44:41 (mini ITX) May 04 21:44:48 mompl May 04 21:45:02 It's just what I'm looking for, for my NAS/Gateway project May 04 21:45:24 (i.e. 4 Sata, 2xGb Lan) May 04 21:47:06 hmm, my local (very good) computer store seems not to have this type May 04 21:47:19 http://www.logicsupply.com/products/ms_9832 May 04 21:47:22 maybe you want to have a look by yourself? May 04 21:47:33 http://www.kkcomputer.de/Default.aspx?tabid=34&List=0&Pics=1&CategoryID=17&Category2ID=461&Level=2 May 04 21:48:33 nah, can't find it May 04 21:49:29 (the URL I just gave is the url of the thing :-) ) May 04 21:50:16 is it a very new one? May 04 21:50:25 No idea but it's available in the US May 04 21:50:59 seems it is yes May 04 21:51:38 hmm, seems they have only intel and morex listed: http://www.kkcomputer.de/Default.aspx?tabid=34&txtSearch=mini-itx&List=0&Pics=1 May 04 21:51:52 I could give hem a call tomorrow May 04 21:52:00 In fact more accurately May 04 21:52:06 I wasl ooking for a way not to pay VAT in France May 04 21:52:18 Because it's DAMN EXPENSIVE May 04 21:52:25 (and I'm not a good citizen) May 04 21:52:41 yu have 19% here as well May 04 21:53:02 yeah but it might be cheaper anyway May 04 21:54:11 http://www.mini-tft.de/xtc-neu/product_info.php?info=p28698_MSI-IM-945GC--Mainboard--Mini-ITX--inkl--Intel-Ato.html May 04 21:54:20 146,30 EUR May 04 21:54:44 interesting :-) May 04 21:55:20 https://www.preisroboter.de/ergebnis12444717.html May 04 21:56:26 I'd like that with that May 04 21:56:28 http://www.mini-tft.de/xtc-neu/product_info.php?info=p28161_Chenbro-ES34069-ES340-180--Gehaeuse--Mini-ITX--260.html May 04 21:56:38 lol, "fanless" I see the fan, even if I'd watch that pic on FR May 04 21:57:53 Woooh that last link was great for techcase.de May 04 21:58:12 20 euros shipping May 04 21:58:15 Wooooooh May 04 21:58:22 k, check it out. then tell me if and how I can help May 04 21:58:23 WOOOOH \o/ May 04 21:58:30 Doc is GREAT, doc is WONDERFUL \o/ May 04 21:58:46 I stand by your nick and help myself with a nice gulp of Dr.Pepper in your name! May 04 22:02:56 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4/Packages.gz <-- this is not a part of SHR anymore? May 04 22:03:04 like armv4 May 04 22:03:11 only armvt4 May 04 22:03:50 i get this May 04 22:03:50 Collected errors: May 04 22:03:50 * Failed to download http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4/Packages.gz, error 404 May 04 22:03:58 and i can't find it by browsing on the server May 04 22:06:24 that's always been a problem.. you can safely remove /etc/opkg/armv4-feed.conf May 04 22:06:51 i thought so, but good to get i confirmed by a random buy on IRC :) May 04 22:07:00 mm, random :) May 04 22:08:03 :) May 04 22:08:18 at least, i've removed it with no side-effects May 04 22:10:16 mrmoku|away: Ainulindale: 2009.05.05 02:08:17.422 ogpsd WARNING (could not write to '/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron': [Errno 2] No such file or d May 04 22:10:16 irectory: '/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron') May 04 22:10:25 That's normal May 04 22:14:51 * DocScrutinizer beats the coder of "WARNING" with a hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy until he replaces "WARNING" by "NO PANIC" May 04 22:16:53 * DocScrutinizer then trows same guide in general direction of kernel coders May 04 22:17:11 and highfives mwester May 04 22:49:30 Hrm, building an unstable image fails on vala-native_git.bb... Anyone else seen this? May 04 22:49:38 anyone any idea what's causing the delay (deadtime) of mokomaze? May 04 22:50:26 could the readout frew of gmeters help when set to 400/s? May 04 22:50:53 frequency even May 04 22:51:27 400 Hz? May 04 22:52:29 i didn't notice any dead time..? May 04 22:52:59 the ball feels a little bit "heavy", but i thought that was the physical parameters in the simulation rather than latency.. (?) May 04 22:53:44 well the "heavyness" is cloaking the deadtime May 04 22:54:49 and maybe I'm even wrong and getting old on things like these ;-D May 04 22:55:28 no long pinball nights for almost 6 years now May 04 22:55:35 DocScrutinizer: well well well May 04 22:55:43 If I can find out how not to pay VAT May 04 22:55:57 It'll cost me 320 euros (MB+Case+Slimdrive) May 04 22:56:05 pretty hard May 04 22:56:15 not to pay VAT May 04 22:56:17 not for a company May 04 22:56:26 yup May 04 22:57:49 DocScrutinizer: the accelerometer code in MM was borrowed from OpenMooCow, so i may be able to help if you can describe exactly what you mean.. May 04 22:59:07 Weiss: to me it seems ball is reacting with ~0.2sec delay to changes of gmeter situation May 04 23:01:18 that's not innertia (which is too high as well, to me it feels like the maze is filled with honey), it's rather the ball doesn't even start to move the first 200mS if you suddenly tilt the device 90° May 04 23:02:30 Ainulindale: Any idea when upstream e will be fixed and flowed down? May 04 23:03:26 Well, no idea at all :-) May 04 23:03:34 :) fair enough May 04 23:04:18 DocScrutinizer: hmm.. i possibly see what you mean.. May 04 23:04:39 wait, that's a silly thing to say. i *do* see what you mean May 04 23:07:19 this type of delay virtually inevitably leads to oscillation on sytems with strong negative feedback May 04 23:08:01 unfortunately it's very hard for humans to reduce feedback May 04 23:08:55 a PID-controller isn't a very natural biological concept ;-) May 04 23:10:57 hmm, yeah May 04 23:18:32 hi May 04 23:21:32 Weiss: anyway I guess this isn't a gmeter issue, but rather simply the delay of processing and rendering (incl glamo bus bandwidth) May 04 23:23:47 maybe it'd be possible to implement a "differntial" component in the algo so the deadtime was still there but after that the position of the ball would catch up with where it should be May 04 23:23:47 quite possibly... i haven't looked at how it does its rendering yet (does it redraw the entire screen?) May 04 23:25:21 no idea if the "jumping" introduced by this was irritating or the correct overall ball position would help more tha jumping spoils May 04 23:26:51 * DocScrutinizer wonders how NASA outer space remote manipulator sw is handling this issue May 04 23:27:38 by making your mars rover more than a dumb machine, i suspect May 04 23:27:55 DocScrutinizer: specialized hard/software and slower, smoother motions May 04 23:29:57 Toaster`: well much slower and smoother than mokomaze ball is hardly possible ;-) May 04 23:30:52 heh, true. May 04 23:31:24 alraedy smooth like honney :) May 04 23:31:56 There was some chatter on the ML about the processing of MM. Might that be related to your line of thinking? May 04 23:33:40 sounds like. Alas it's been on community ml i guess. mainly skipping to keep # of unread mails <1k May 04 23:34:32 occasionally setting to "all read" when hitting the 1k limit May 04 23:34:35 * lindi- should port mokomaze to run as non-root May 04 23:34:49 sure May 04 23:34:53 is the vibrator control really required for playing it? May 04 23:34:54 fair enough. It was about the processing itself, ie: was it float/double/int calcs or what. May 04 23:35:14 lindi-: vib is the best of it May 04 23:35:27 DocScrutinizer: that's tought then, there is afaik no way to access that without root privs May 04 23:35:37 tough May 04 23:35:43 the vibration took me by surprise.. i thought i was imagining it at first May 04 23:36:00 hmm, yeah. discussed this yesterday here IIRC May 04 23:36:27 yep May 04 23:36:52 a common method to cope with this is a "dummy" device driver simply copying from sys to dev May 04 23:37:40 sys isn't meant to be accessed directly by userland anyway May 04 23:38:12 tell that to the bt, wifi, gps power control stuff :) May 04 23:38:41 so should I use http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/781/mokomaze-0.5.0.tar.gz? May 04 23:41:39 lindi-: power control isn't user domain after all. the particular user has no idea of cuncurrent usage of a device by others. that's exactly what we need the driver for, which not only controls power of a phy dev in sys, but also shares (aka multiplexes) read access and serializes commands to the device May 04 23:44:08 Ooooh I'm happy with what I found May 04 23:44:12 OOOoh I think I'll buy it soon May 04 23:44:17 Yes it'll be mine May 04 23:44:19 Ooooh yes May 04 23:44:28 Ainulindale: what did you find? May 04 23:44:32 * Toaster` backs aways from Ainulindale May 04 23:44:49 some rubber doll I guess ;D May 04 23:45:02 Zorkman: mini-ITX motherboard, affordable with 4 SATA II & 2Gb Lan May 04 23:45:28 it'll never fit inside the FR case :p May 04 23:45:36 Ainulindale: What cost? May 04 23:45:43 YOUR SOOL May 04 23:45:45 *SOUL May 04 23:45:52 why isn't dave here, to make those stupid comments? May 04 23:46:03 Toaster`: VAT + Shipping, 360 euros for case + motherboard May 04 23:46:04 let us summon him again May 04 23:46:10 eh, sold that long ago, got a nice cold beer for it. May 04 23:46:10 ~seen Dave May 04 23:46:11 (case allows hard drive hot swapping) May 04 23:46:44 Ainulindale: Which MB? May 04 23:46:51 bzzbot, what's wrong??? May 04 23:46:56 he's DEAD May 04 23:47:04 and he has been replaced with bzzbot_ May 04 23:47:05 MSI IM-945GC May 04 23:47:07 it's an imposter May 04 23:47:12 bzzbot_ or dave? May 04 23:47:12 Low power consumption May 04 23:47:15 (Dual core Atom) May 04 23:47:41 DocScrutinizer: i fear both May 04 23:47:41 atom is sloooow May 04 23:47:48 (btw; good joke DocMobilizer :)) May 04 23:48:10 bzzbot_: botsnack May 04 23:48:28 Ainulindale: I thought you wanted 2xGb LAN? May 04 23:48:29 ~~ May 04 23:48:35 stop me doing it bzzbot_! May 04 23:48:36 ~~ May 04 23:48:58 mwester: beaten bzzbot, no the stupid thing hides behind the cd-rom drive May 04 23:48:59 Toaster`: It does that. May 04 23:49:08 oops, lookign at the wrong one, sorry May 04 23:49:19 ~_~ May 04 23:49:24 :D May 04 23:49:30 if that doesn't get him mad i don't know what will May 04 23:50:56 maybe we need to invite apt to this chan and then bzzbot_ will try to make out May 04 23:50:58 mwester: kick your neurotic bot! May 04 23:51:08 is he mwesters pet? May 04 23:51:28 maybe they are duelling with lightsabers and so they both can't answer atm May 04 23:52:09 typically mwesterisch: lightsaber fighting; he practically invented it :) May 04 23:53:28 Ainulindale: There's enough RS-232's on there to do some interesting control systems projects... May 04 23:53:55 yeah but I won't use them May 04 23:54:21 I was just looking for a low power consumption/dual lan/tentacular drive solution May 04 23:54:59 bzzbot_: i'm going to bed, i want to see you up and running tomorrow or no bits for you! May 04 23:55:14 night everyone; say a little prayer for dave May 04 23:59:48 night ZzzZzZzorkman May 05 00:04:39 Toaster`: only problem is, I can't find noise level May 05 00:12:13 Ainulindale: Probably depends on your setup. Is the case big enough to replace the stock fan with a bigger radiator and a nice slow fan? May 05 00:14:11 The little stock fan on that thing won't be quiet at all May 05 00:17:38 hrm, rack the drives vertically above the MB, square-ish case, low side vents and a nice 6" fan on top and you should be good. May 05 00:18:01 if you have access to a metal shop for a custon case of course ;) May 05 00:18:16 Nah I don't May 05 00:18:21 And I'm not sure it'll be noisy May 05 00:18:34 It's supposed not to as it's for quiet systems May 05 00:18:46 I have little faith in the small fans May 05 00:19:42 So have I May 05 00:19:57 for adequate air-flow you usually have too high an RPM and whining May 05 00:21:09 Though as a caveat, most of my thermal knowledge is conduction; convection isn't my forte. May 05 00:21:23 hi May 05 00:21:34 blinking red aux light is kernel panic, am i right? May 05 00:21:45 czaks: sadly May 05 00:22:27 got that after a try to connect to wlan network May 05 00:41:47 /invite apt May 05 00:42:22 bzzbot: you're useless. May 05 00:42:39 ~stupid bot May 05 00:42:47 ~lart bzzbot May 05 00:42:48 * bzzbot duct-tapes mwester to the floor and drools on him May 05 00:43:00 ~curse bzzbot May 05 00:43:28 Sigh. I didn't enable curses, I guess. :p May 05 00:44:10 Ainulindale: There are fan adaptors -- ugly as sin, but with a little cleverness you should be able to put a proper 120mm fan on that thing, and make sure it's quiet. May 05 00:44:24 blasted little 80mm fans scream like a yappy dog in heat. May 05 00:59:51 mwester: Pretty much my opinion too :) May 05 01:00:06 anybody know why I might have an app defined in /usr/shareapplications but not have it show up on the desktop in shr? May 05 01:01:03 budfive: the catagories may be incorrect. Try switching "Application/Applications" or visa versa. May 05 01:01:14 budfive: that's within the .desktop file May 05 01:02:46 Toaster`: ok. thanks May 05 01:08:10 Where can I find the most current qi .bin file? May 05 02:02:02 Toaster, GTA02 I guess. May 05 02:02:43 s/Toaster/Toaster`/ May 05 02:02:43 Arhuaco meant: Toaster`, GTA02 I guess. May 05 02:19:34 damn can't sleep **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 05 02:59:57 2009