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May 11 05:22:15 <tmzt> anyone who understands the ophonekitd-main.c?
May 11 05:22:38 <tmzt> I'm trying to remove the sim functions since my phone doesn't use them
May 11 05:45:49 <mrmoku> tmzt: hmm... what are you trying to achieve? without SIM ophonekitd... is not quite usefull right now
May 11 05:50:33 <tmzt> I'm trying to make it work on a CDMA device, but what are you using for a dialer now?
May 11 05:52:59 <mrmoku> tmzt: CDMA device?
May 11 05:53:31 <tmzt> cdma touch pro
May 11 05:53:38 <mrmoku> so... you have gsm but no SIM?
May 11 05:53:57 <tmzt> it's not gsm at all, it's a US cdma phone
May 11 05:54:08 * mrmoku wikipedias CDMA :-)
May 11 05:54:59 <mrmoku> tmzt: does frameworkd support it?
May 11 05:55:58 <tmzt> I've patched it to work at least enough to make phone calls, though I haven't been able to test if that actually works because the audio routing isn't enabled now
May 11 05:56:36 <mrmoku> and what parts in ophonekitd main do you want to get rid of?
May 11 05:56:47 <mrmoku> I mean which ones to you need? 
May 11 05:56:53 <tmzt> the part that calls the sim unlocking
May 11 05:58:34 <mrmoku> and for frameworkd your CDMA is listed as GSM resource?
May 11 05:58:47 <tmzt> yes
May 11 05:58:54 <tmzt> but I had to comment out the sim parts
May 11 05:59:10 <tmzt> people.openezx.org/tmzt/framework-cdma/
May 11 06:00:18 <mrmoku> and phonebook/contacts you don't have?
May 11 06:00:51 <tmzt> I don't know, I think that's implemented differently
May 11 06:00:58 <tmzt> but I haven't looked at it yet
May 11 06:01:13 <mrmoku> ok... power_up_antenna?
May 11 06:01:38 <tmzt> which is? AT+CFUN?
May 11 06:02:13 <mrmoku> no idea :)
May 11 06:04:10 <mrmoku> so... I would start at request_resource_callback()...
May 11 06:04:28 <mrmoku> remove the ogsmd_sim_ready thingie
May 11 06:04:52 <mrmoku> if you need to power up the antenna leave that call there
May 11 06:05:12 <mrmoku> otherwise replace it with         ogsmd_network_register(register_to_network_callback, NULL);
May 11 06:05:58 <mrmoku> if you call power_up_antenna()... then change the callback... to just do that register...
May 11 06:13:00 <tmzt> mrmoku: you mean in resource_callback?
May 11 06:13:11 <tmzt> I think the GSM resource comes up as normal
May 11 06:13:35 <mrmoku> it needs to be requested...
May 11 06:14:15 <tmzt> so the first thing run is list_resources?
May 11 06:14:33 <mrmoku> yep
May 11 06:14:40 <mrmoku> via timer from main
May 11 06:15:02 <tmzt> and if it's available it calls request_resource GSM?
May 11 06:15:57 <tmzt> I don't see how it gets to the next step
May 11 06:16:04 <tmzt> in http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr.git;a=blob;f=ophonekitd/src/ophonekitd-main.c
May 11 06:16:32 <tmzt> oh
May 11 06:16:44 <tmzt> request_resource_callback
May 11 06:17:01 <tmzt> then power_up_antenna
May 11 06:17:04 <mrmoku> yep :)
May 11 06:19:58 <tmzt> ok, it enables
May 11 06:20:19 <tmzt> ** (process:581): DEBUG: request_resource_callback()
May 11 06:20:19 <tmzt> ** (process:581): DEBUG: call ogsmd_device_set_antenna_power()
May 11 06:20:30 <tmzt> ** (process:581): DEBUG: sim_ready_status_callback(status=0)
May 11 06:26:35 <tmzt> mrmoku: so what your saying is I should replace ** (process:581): DEBUG: request_resource_callback()
May 11 06:26:38 <tmzt> ** (process:581): DEBUG: call ogsmd_device_set_antenna_power()
May 11 06:27:09 <tmzt> mrmoku: so what your saying is I should replace ogsmd_sim_get_sim_ready with the next step?
May 11 06:27:30 <mrmoku> if you don't need to call set_antenna_power... directly register to the network there
May 11 06:27:48 <mrmoku> if you need it... change the callback for it to just register to the network
May 11 06:28:32 <tmzt> I think set_antenna_power is a stub but maybe not in frameworkd for non calpyso
May 11 06:28:59 <tmzt> I don't need the phonebook here either, but I can replace it with a fake one maybe
May 11 06:29:38 <tmzt> what usually calls register_to_network?
May 11 06:30:00 <tmzt> oh, sim auto_status
May 11 06:30:06 <tmzt> sim_auth_status
May 11 06:30:14 <tmzt> ok
May 11 06:30:22 <mrmoku> which you don't want :P
May 11 06:30:24 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr-overlay * r2cf803b3808a 10/openembedded/recipes/shr/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2_git.bb: use SRCPV for libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2
May 11 06:30:30 <tmzt> right
May 11 06:30:41 <tmzt> I'm going to try that then
May 11 06:32:03 <mrmoku> good luck
May 11 06:32:35 <tmzt> thanks
May 11 06:32:51 <khiraly1> do this channel has an irclog somewhere?
May 11 06:34:07 <mrmoku> http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel/
May 11 06:34:32 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: sometimes it lacks info, feel free to ask me for logs at particular time/date.
May 11 06:35:02 <khiraly1> thanks
May 11 06:36:30 <tmzt> didn't know that, I thought on #openmoko was logged
May 11 06:36:34 <tmzt> only
May 11 06:37:53 <mrmoku> well... it had some break, some time ago
May 11 06:38:37 <mrmoku> looking closer... just some days are missing
May 11 06:43:43 <tmzt> mrmoku: do you know the direct clone url for shr.git?
May 11 06:43:52 <tmzt> the shr-project one, not the OE one
May 11 06:44:24 <mrmoku> tmzt: got to git.shr-project.org... click on the shr project and you have it :)
May 11 06:44:40 <tmzt> yeah, but how to clone it?
May 11 06:44:50 <tmzt> git://git.shr-project.org/git doesn't work
May 11 06:45:02 <mrmoku> http://shr.bearstech.com/repo/shr.git
May 11 06:45:10 <mrmoku> we have no git daemon running :(
May 11 06:45:16 <tmzt> ah
May 11 06:45:22 <mrmoku> so anonymous clone only via http://
May 11 06:55:32 <tobii_> good morning
May 11 07:09:52 <garrop> Morning, any SHR developers around?
May 11 07:12:37 <methril|work> morning
May 11 07:18:44 <mrmoku> garrop: yo
May 11 07:33:09 <mrmoku> garrop: na? just wanted to know if somebody is around? or have a specific question :P
May 11 07:34:15 <tmzt> I don't get it:
May 11 07:34:15 <tmzt> ** (process:659): DEBUG: call ogsmd_device_set_antenna_power()
May 11 07:34:16 <tmzt> ** (process:659): DEBUG: ophonekitd_sim_auth_status_handler()
May 11 07:34:16 <tmzt> ** (process:659): DEBUG: sim not ready
May 11 07:37:15 <tmzt> oh, I didn't put it in power_up_antenna_callback
May 11 07:43:05 <tmzt> mrmoku: it's not working, there whole function deals with the sim card not being preset, I don't want those errors at all but I still want any dbus errors
May 11 07:43:34 <tmzt> the whole power_up_antenna_callback function
May 11 07:43:59 <tmzt> maybe I'm actually returning a sim error in frameworkd?
May 11 07:44:55 <garrop> Sorry, I left my desktop for a while. I have translated SHR into Basque language and was wondering how to transfer the .pot files to the SHR team. Please advice,
May 11 07:45:30 <mrmoku> garrop: post it to the shr-devel list
May 11 07:46:17 <mrmoku> tmzt: description of SetAntennaPower API says it returns AuthFailed *if* the SIM is locked with a PIN
May 11 07:46:17 <garrop> ok, thanks
May 11 07:47:37 <tmzt> mrmoku: yeah, it looks like I'm going to have to return true for simReady in abstractcdma/modem.py
May 11 07:47:48 <tmzt> I didn't want to do that as I don't have a sim card
May 11 07:48:11 <tmzt> but the API isn't abstract enough to support that it looks like
May 11 07:48:56 <mrmoku> tmzt: take that up with mickey|zzZZzz ;)
May 11 07:49:23 <tmzt> yeah, he was going to look at my code but I've stuck with gsm api so far
May 11 07:49:57 <tmzt> the difference needs to be in the state machine itself though I think, though I can't see how this is much different from an unlocked sim card
May 11 07:52:09 <mrmoku> we should really get rid of opkg....
May 11 07:52:11 <mrmoku>  * Package frameworkd-config-shr-dev is depended upon by packages:
May 11 07:52:11 <mrmoku>  * 	frameworkd-config-shr-dev
May 11 07:52:11 <mrmoku>  * These might cease to work if package frameworkd-config-shr-dev is removed.
May 11 07:52:14 <mrmoku> ;)
May 11 07:52:31 <garrop> Your mail to 'Shr-devel' with the subject     Fwd: SHR Basque translation files  Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.  The reason it is being held:     Post by non-member to a members-only list
May 11 07:52:52 <mrmoku> hehe
May 11 07:53:09 <mrmoku> if you're interested in SHR... you might want to subscribe :P
May 11 07:54:09 <garrop> Have a good morning and keep the good stuff going on... my two cents - I am interested in SHR, but do not have the skills to contribute in any other way than translations. I follow the project from time to time. TAke care
May 11 07:54:27 <mrmoku> garrop: I think Ainulindale will see and let it go :-)
May 11 07:55:39 <garrop> I haave sent him the files as  a PM as well. Anyway, have fun and see ya.
May 11 07:55:45 <max_posedon> tmzt, may be you should use "fake sim"?
May 11 07:55:54 <mrmoku> garrop: you too (have fun) thanks
May 11 07:55:59 <tmzt> oh, I guess I'm going to have to implement a cdmadevice.py anyway as it's going to return an error whether I check it or not
May 11 07:56:04 <tmzt> possibly
May 11 07:56:04 <max_posedon> cdma phones sometimes have sims(ruim's)
May 11 07:56:20 <tmzt> I'm going to have to talk to mickey|zzZZzz
May 11 07:56:40 <tmzt> yeah, but I've never seen one, if anybody knows what AT commands they use I'd love to know
May 11 08:11:39 <tmzt> ** (process:720): DEBUG: call ogsmd_device_set_antenna_power()
May 11 08:11:40 <tmzt> ** (process:720): DEBUG: ophonekitd_sim_auth_status_handler()
May 11 08:11:52 <tmzt> but I thought it wouldn't call that anymore??
May 11 08:15:30 <max_posedon> tmzt, I had one, cdma, but china version, can work with ruim, and without it. But don't know anythink about AT commands, and it is just phone.
May 11 08:20:12 <tmzt> I think a dbus signal is triggering the sim error this time
May 11 08:26:36 <tmzt> mrmoku: what is the different between the _callback and the _handler functions?
May 11 08:27:12 <mrmoku> tmzt: the handlers listen to frameworkd signals
May 11 08:27:23 <mrmoku> the callbacks are used as callbacks for async dbus calls
May 11 08:27:35 <tmzt> so there is something calling sim_auth_handler?
May 11 08:27:46 <tmzt> what would that be in frameworkd? in device.py?
May 11 08:28:07 <mrmoku> sorry, no idea about the frameworkd part
May 11 08:28:29 <tmzt> well, ok, but you mean a signal/error?
May 11 08:29:09 <mrmoku> signal
May 11 08:29:39 <tmzt> I don't see anything relevant in dbus-monitor --system
May 11 08:30:36 <tmzt> so it calls SetPower and that triggers the SimReady signal?
May 11 08:31:16 <mrmoku> sim auth and sim ready are two different things though
May 11 08:31:38 <tmzt> yeah I see that
May 11 08:31:46 <PaulFertser> tmzt: Have you tried it with Zhone? Zhone's code is quite easy to understand, especially the part where it initialises GSM.
May 11 08:33:53 <tmzt> where is ogsmd_set_antenna_power defined?
May 11 08:33:58 <tmzt> ah, I'll try that
May 11 08:35:05 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07shr * r8eaed4784335 10/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/src/view/message-list-view.c: phonegui-efl: implement names for message list
May 11 08:36:01 <PaulFertser> tmzt: that's SetAntennaPower in device.py .
May 11 08:38:32 <tmzt> oh!
May 11 08:38:49 <tmzt> another file I needed to patch, we don't need AT+CPIN
May 11 08:39:25 <tmzt> so it's calling self_object.AuthStatus( pin_state ) which is triggering _handler
May 11 08:49:31 <PaulFertser> tmzt: Oh, i've another suggestion: very simple minimalistic not requiring anything except python and pygtk dialer: Kapula.
May 11 08:49:56 <PaulFertser> tmzt: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/darcs/kapula/kapula
May 11 08:52:02 <PaulFertser> tmzt: my guess is that ophonekitd_sim_auth_status_handler is actually callback, just misnamed.
May 11 08:52:40 <tmzt> I found something in dbus-monitor --system
May 11 08:52:52 <tmzt> signal sender=:1.15 -> dest=(null destination) serial=25 path=/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device; interface=org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM; member=AuthStatus string "OK"
May 11 08:53:05 <tmzt> trying to track down where that's sent
May 11 08:53:14 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: it is set as handler for the AuthStatus signal... no callback
May 11 08:54:22 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: ok, now i see that. Is there a reason for not using callback here?
May 11 08:55:11 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: well... it *is* a callback... just for a dbus signal
May 11 08:55:41 <mrmoku> and to distinguish it from the 'normal' callbacks (the ones we use for async dbus calls) it is called handler (I guess)
May 11 08:56:27 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: no, i mean it seems Zhone doesn't use that signal at all
May 11 08:57:13 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: guess it is just much less async...
May 11 08:57:18 <mrmoku> and thus does not need it
May 11 08:58:27 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: my guess would be that it does SendAuthCode synchronously
May 11 08:58:35 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: It does registration async afaict, with dbus_ok and dbus_error callbacks.
May 11 08:58:42 <tmzt> I thought zhone doesn't support pin code?
May 11 08:59:20 <PaulFertser> tmzt: no, it does
May 11 08:59:37 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: http://rafb.net/p/urLERG88.html
May 11 09:03:44 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: I think ophonekitd listens to the AuthStatus signal, because it might change during the lifetime of ophonekit
May 11 09:04:07 <mrmoku> on startup it powers up the antenna, which files with sim not ready error, when the sim is not yet unlocked
May 11 09:04:15 <mrmoku> and then shows the pin dialog
May 11 09:05:20 <tmzt> I'm looking at modems/abstract and I think I see where it does that but I've simplified DeviceSetAntennaPower in my version (abstractcdma/mediator.py) and I'm still getting the error message
May 11 09:12:58 <tmzt> ah, cli-framework triggers the same event
May 11 09:25:01 <tmzt> wonderful, I was importing the wrong abstract modem
May 11 10:03:24 <tmzt> mrmoku: so if I don't have a messagebook or whatever, how do I just display the dialer screen (keypad)?
May 11 10:04:11 <tmzt> the sim callback chain was displaying the messagebook screen, now nothing appears it just stops at register_to_network_callback()
May 11 10:08:40 <tmzt> so do we use openmoko/shr-dialer for this then? I don't see a keypad screen
May 11 10:14:13 <mrmoku> tmzt: openmoko-dialer... should show up regardless of sim stuff
May 11 10:15:24 <tmzt> yes
May 11 10:15:30 <tmzt> working on that now
May 11 11:00:48 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: do you know why there are two usb ethernet modules? what's the difference between g_ether and cdc_ether? And can't we use cdc_ether?
May 11 11:02:00 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: and btw.... just to let you know... feeling bad that I still did not manage to get xorg running
May 11 11:11:04 <lindi-> mrmoku: cdc_ether is not gadget
May 11 11:11:20 <lindi-> mrmoku: you run it on your USB host
May 11 11:18:29 <mrmoku> lindi-: hmm... and we need gadget? 
May 11 11:18:41 <lindi-> mrmoku: both can be useful
May 11 11:18:46 <mrmoku> lindi-: I'm asking because of the netlink up/down not getting signalled problem we have
May 11 11:19:05 <lindi-> mrmoku: if you want to network two freerunners then one will use cdc_ether as usb host and the other g_ether as usb device
May 11 11:19:46 <mrmoku> lindi-: so two cdc_ether won't talk? If you do USB Network one side is always cdc_ether and the other g_ether?
May 11 11:20:08 <lindi-> mrmoku: two usb hosts can't talk to each otehr
May 11 11:20:20 <mrmoku> lindi-: ahh, ok. thanks
May 11 11:20:23 <lindi-> mrmoku: in USB you have one host and up to 127 devices
May 11 11:20:52 <lindi-> mrmoku: if they could talk you could just connect two PCs with usb cable
May 11 11:20:59 <lindi-> mrmoku: unfortunately you can't do that
May 11 11:21:11 <mrmoku> lindi-: do you have any idea how to get netlink up/down for g_ether then? :-)
May 11 11:21:31 <lindi-> mrmoku: possibly, unfortunately i'm busy right now to read the source :(
May 11 11:21:56 <mrmoku> lindi-: ok... if you have time and some idea... tell us :-)
May 11 11:22:15 <lindi-> mrmoku: does it work for cdc_ether already?
May 11 11:22:45 <mrmoku> lindi-: well... my host gets it signalled, yeah
May 11 11:23:03 <mrmoku> If I plugin the FR NetworkManager on host side notices it and sets up the if
May 11 11:25:00 <lindi-> mrmoku: good
May 11 11:28:28 <Ainulindale> This splashscreen is far better with a nose!
May 11 11:29:07 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: which one?
May 11 11:29:14 <Ainulindale> don't panic
May 11 11:29:25 <Zorkman> a nose?N
May 11 11:29:31 <Ainulindale> (on the smiley)
May 11 11:29:39 <plinder> @all: Hi, I am try to use the dbus-lib to allocate a channel (in a simple c program) from the muxer (org.pyneo.muxer). So far, I asume my call is ok, but the reply always times out and I won't get any response. Is someone in this chat who could give me a hint? 
May 11 11:30:22 * mrmoku --> lunch
May 11 11:37:04 <Ainulindale> shr-splash-dev...
May 11 11:37:14 <Ainulindale> why would it install -dev packages on a fresh install?
May 11 11:38:58 <Ainulindale> root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg remove frameworkd-config-shr-dev
May 11 11:38:58 <Ainulindale> Collected errors: * Package frameworkd-config-shr-dev is depended upon by packages: *      frameworkd-config-shr-dev
May 11 11:39:01 <Ainulindale> Ahem.
May 11 11:50:38 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #434 (webcam uvc modules) created <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/434>
May 11 11:56:39 <khiraly1> nytowl: got a minute?
May 11 12:06:57 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: hehe, had that one too :P
May 11 12:07:04 <mrmoku> guess dos1 needs some spanking ;)
May 11 12:11:03 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: if you have the splash with the smiley... you installed it manually?
May 11 12:12:42 <Ainulindale> Yes
May 11 12:13:00 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: why isn't there any "notifier" package on the feed?
May 11 12:13:30 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: good question ;) was thinking about that too...
May 11 12:14:12 <Ainulindale> Ok, checking then.
May 11 12:14:20 <Ainulindale> Latest release seems good.
May 11 12:14:28 <Ainulindale> How good is your efl2 lib nowadays?
May 11 12:14:38 <mrmoku> relay new stuff in the feed here... or even have some RSS feed
May 11 12:14:40 <Ainulindale> Do you think it'll be ready for a normal use?
May 11 12:15:17 <mrmoku> no, not yet
May 11 12:15:17 <mrmoku> I can work on it though... to make it allday-ready fast :P
May 11 12:15:34 <Ainulindale> And by the way
May 11 12:15:41 <Ainulindale> We should start working on a way to keep upgrade path intact
May 11 12:15:49 <Ainulindale> And/or a fallback solution
May 11 12:16:00 <Ainulindale> I was thinking about a package shipping update scripts
May 11 12:16:25 <Ainulindale> http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/5100292.txt
May 11 12:17:42 <Ainulindale> Can't fetch sources.
May 11 12:17:45 <Ainulindale> (here)
May 11 12:18:23 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: (notifier) I'm doing the rsync now... could script something that feeds your SHR-WugBranler 
May 11 12:18:32 <mrmoku> ahh... you were talking about *that* notifier ;)
May 11 12:18:50 <mrmoku> it is pointing th m0nt0's homelinux org server me thinks... might just be off
May 11 12:18:57 <Ainulindale> Yep.
May 11 12:19:04 <Ainulindale> Did you document your rsync thing?
May 11 12:19:36 <mrmoku> well... it is just rsync -av tmp/deploy/glibc/ /var/www/shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/
May 11 12:19:43 <mrmoku> so not much to document :P
May 11 12:20:07 <Ainulindale> yeah but still :-)
May 11 12:20:23 <Ainulindale> (notifier is good but not the best)
May 11 12:20:31 <mrmoku> more important would be the SHRPV thingie to document
May 11 12:20:50 <mrmoku> it broke local builds - if you don't override SHRPV in local-builds.inc too
May 11 12:21:13 <Ainulindale> So you recommitted it?
May 11 12:21:16 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: what color would you like the nose in? :P
May 11 12:21:38 <mrmoku> the SHRPV update in Makefile I still have to do
May 11 12:21:54 <mrmoku> but it won't help, because it won't change peoples confs
May 11 12:22:00 <mrmoku> have to mail to the list
May 11 12:22:15 <Ainulindale> That's not what I meant 
May 11 12:22:22 * mrmoku has just two hands and a small brain ;)
May 11 12:22:35 <Ainulindale> Yeah I know how you feel
May 11 12:22:37 <Ainulindale> Anyway
May 11 12:22:50 <mrmoku> recommit what?
May 11 12:23:14 <Ainulindale> SHRPV/SRCPV
May 11 12:23:32 <mrmoku> ahh, no. just a typo in here :P
May 11 12:23:36 <mrmoku> SRCPV...
May 11 12:23:50 <mrmoku> see... got only SHR in my head ;)
May 11 12:24:36 <Ainulindale> my question was
May 11 12:24:41 <Ainulindale> you introduced a specific PV, right?
May 11 12:24:46 <Ainulindale> As I did before with SHR_PV
May 11 12:25:09 <mrmoku> similary, yeah
May 11 12:25:26 <mrmoku> I added SRCPV to the site.conf
May 11 12:25:36 <mrmoku> which always contains the correct git PV
May 11 12:25:43 <Ainulindale> Ok, then.
May 11 12:25:43 <mrmoku> and that you can use in recipes
May 11 12:25:48 <mrmoku> and I added to the shr recipes
May 11 12:26:45 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: want me to update EFL_SRCREV for testing? to get the menu working?
May 11 12:28:51 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: Well, what's your opinion?
May 11 12:28:58 <Ainulindale> Is unstable stable enough to go in testing, these days?
May 11 12:29:01 <Ainulindale> (Was off for a week)
May 11 12:30:20 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: I think so, yeah
May 11 12:30:43 <Ainulindale> Well if we can get the opinion of, say, two other people, I'd say go for it
May 11 12:30:54 <Ainulindale> I can't tell, as I didn't follow closely enough
May 11 12:31:03 <Ainulindale> So why not ask in shr-devel?
May 11 12:31:27 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: can do... shr-user might be more responsive though
May 11 12:32:12 <Ainulindale> well, for this kind of thing I'd say it would be more relevant to shr-devel
May 11 12:32:27 <Ainulindale> But in this specific case as we have more testers and this is a sensible thing to do
May 11 12:32:34 <Ainulindale> I'd say go and mail directly shr-user
May 11 12:32:38 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: I could crosspost ;)
May 11 12:32:46 <Ainulindale> Bad boy! :-)
May 11 12:32:50 <mrmoku> :)
May 11 12:33:40 <mrmoku> need some coffee first though
May 11 12:44:33 <Ainulindale> by the w ay mrmoku 
May 11 12:44:47 <Ainulindale> a french user told me you answered to him on the user ML in a "technical"  way :-)
May 11 12:44:54 <Ainulindale> (about ophonekitd cache)
May 11 12:45:06 <Ainulindale> I don't know if it truly was you or any other people
May 11 12:45:27 <Ainulindale> But I think we should try each & everyone of us to "polish" our answers for the users
May 11 12:45:45 <Ainulindale> When we say to restart ophonekitd, let us not assume the user knows how to do that :-)
May 11 12:45:58 <Ainulindale> (this isn't a criticism, merely a suggestion)
May 11 12:46:08 <Ainulindale> s/ism//
May 11 12:46:08 <bzzbot> Ainulindale meant: (this isn't a critic, merely a suggestion)
May 11 12:46:30 <Ainulindale> (god I'm boring)
May 11 12:48:33 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: :) will try
May 11 12:50:08 <naeg> Ainulindale, a small question..my friend and i arent sure...is your name sindarin or quenya?
May 11 12:50:14 <Ainulindale> Quenya
May 11 12:50:18 <naeg> thx
May 11 12:50:21 <Ainulindale> dolby
May 11 12:50:30 <Ainulindale> Shame on you for not knowing that
May 11 12:50:34 <naeg> : /
May 11 12:50:35 <Ainulindale> :-)
May 11 12:50:53 <naeg> sindarin is more common, just like my name : )
May 11 12:50:59 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I know it's difficult by the way, I'm the most awful guy when it comes to explaining himself clearly
May 11 12:51:06 <Ainulindale> naeg: Peh! :-)
May 11 12:53:13 <mrmobil> finding the correct balance is the problem
May 11 12:53:56 <mrmobil> don't think shr users want to be treated like my mum
May 11 12:54:19 <mrmobil> or my wife for that matter ;)
May 11 12:57:14 <mrmobil> Ainulindale, we're still going to release in two weeks?
May 11 12:58:51 <Ainulindale> I'd like to.
May 11 12:58:55 <Ainulindale> We'll talk about that :-)
May 11 12:59:28 <mrmobil> with opim?
May 11 13:01:37 <Ainulindale> Well it depends on you
May 11 13:01:43 <Ainulindale> And dos
May 11 13:02:33 <nytowl> khiraly1, whats up
May 11 13:02:34 <mrmobil> ;)
May 11 13:03:14 <khiraly1> nytowl: could we package into om2009 two version of pida? One as right now. The other one would be from git directly. 
May 11 13:03:25 <khiraly1> And with git itself
May 11 13:03:34 <nytowl> what pida ?
May 11 13:03:38 <khiraly1> doh
May 11 13:03:39 <khiraly1> paroli
May 11 13:03:41 <khiraly1> sorry
May 11 13:03:46 <nytowl> s/what/what's/
May 11 13:03:46 <bzzbot> nytowl meant: what's pida ?
May 11 13:04:31 <khiraly1> nytowl: could we package into om2009 two version of paroli? One as right now. The other one would be from git directly. 
May 11 13:04:54 <nytowl> The currently shipping version is autoreved so it is head from git 
May 11 13:05:03 <nytowl> you want a pegged version as well ?
May 11 13:05:43 <khiraly1> yepp, I know it is from git. But need to reflash when git changes a bit
May 11 13:05:57 <khiraly1> pegged? Like sandbox?
May 11 13:06:35 <nytowl> pegged as in a specific version
May 11 13:06:58 <khiraly1> I would like a local version of paroli, which I can update it from git, without the need to reflash the phone
May 11 13:07:08 <khiraly1> so I could interact more closely with mirko
May 11 13:07:34 <khiraly1> I have done that, there is a launcher script in paroli itself. Just I need to reinstall when I reflash to the latest unstable
May 11 13:07:50 <nytowl> you can upgrade from the feeds right now you just need to jump through a few heaps, I will be looking at fixing the upgrade path , but there are some things higher on my list
May 11 13:07:59 <khiraly1> And git install takes about 1.5 hour on the freerunner
May 11 13:08:53 <nytowl> so you have a local paroli package that you like to overwrite the version that you have installed on your phone ?
May 11 13:09:05 <khiraly1> nope
May 11 13:09:36 <nytowl> you want to update the latest without reflashing ?
May 11 13:09:46 <khiraly1> I have the paroli as is. It starts automatically. However I have a local paroli too, which I can start by an another .desktop file (Im supposed to close the default one first)
May 11 13:10:02 <khiraly1> and I have git installed too
May 11 13:10:12 <khiraly1> so I can update to any git revision my local paroli
May 11 13:10:34 <khiraly1> so when mirko says he fixed some bugs, I can update my local paroli and see.
May 11 13:10:51 <nytowl> ah ok , why not do the git checkout on the desktop and then rsync it ?
May 11 13:10:56 <khiraly1> It works great and fine. The only drawback, that if I reflash my phone it takes about 1.5 hours to reinstall git
May 11 13:11:34 <khiraly1> nytowl: yepp, this is the other possibility. But you resolved only the git part of the equation.
May 11 13:11:38 <nytowl> if mirko says something is fixed there absolute latest will be in the unstable feed so just reinstall paroli from there
May 11 13:13:45 <khiraly1> but reinstalling is not as easy as typing in freerunner git pull
May 11 13:14:02 <nytowl> it also doesn't take 1.5 hours 
May 11 13:14:59 <nytowl> all you need to do is opkg remove  and the opkg install with a URL
May 11 13:15:04 <khiraly1> ok. We dont really understand each other. Maybe its only me who needs it
May 11 13:26:34 <nytowl> mrmoku, does the new efl have the illume exit box fixed ?
May 11 13:30:07 <mrmoku> nytowl: yep
May 11 13:30:18 <mrmoku> (the syscon menu you mean?)
May 11 13:30:20 <nytowl> any new problems show up ?
May 11 13:30:27 <nytowl> yeah syscon
May 11 13:30:29 <mrmoku> so far... no
May 11 13:30:32 <mrmoku> looks good
May 11 13:31:08 <nytowl> hmm maybe I'll let you guys test it for a couple of days before I grab it :)
May 11 13:31:18 <mrmoku> :)
May 11 13:32:51 <nytowl> is the SRCPV working well for you ?
May 11 13:33:01 <mrmoku> yep, working nicely :)
May 11 13:33:33 <nytowl> that's one I'll steal today then 
May 11 13:34:32 <Ainulindale> nytowl: meh :-)
May 11 13:35:08 <nytowl> Ainulindale, you dragged your lazy ass in here good morning
May 11 13:35:45 <Ainulindale> How's life? :-)
May 11 13:35:51 <mrmoku> nytowl: just to control us... not to do actual work though ;)
May 11 13:36:05 <nytowl> hehe mrmoku 
May 11 13:36:26 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: you did not tell me in what color you want your nose :P
May 11 13:36:26 <nytowl> Ainulindale, pretty good spent the weekend build a treehouse for my girls
May 11 13:36:51 <nytowl> 0 hours on software
May 11 13:37:30 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: green as all noses
May 11 13:37:38 <Ainulindale> nytowl: good :-)
May 11 13:38:07 <nytowl> is mokomaze 5.1 working for you yet ?
May 11 13:38:56 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: ok :)
May 11 13:40:00 <usr> anyone programming in python?
May 11 13:41:30 <usr> does anyone programing in python for the freerunner?
May 11 13:42:23 <nytowl> yes a number of people usr what are you looking for ?
May 11 13:43:11 <usr> i want to write an ide for python
May 11 13:43:41 <usr> i would like to find some people which are interested in using and expand it
May 11 13:44:33 <nytowl> I would have thought there were already tools for that 
May 11 13:45:14 <mrmoku> nytowl: mokomaze has ode as dependency... in a version not yet in OE
May 11 13:45:34 <mrmoku> one of the 'two old autotools' packages :(
May 11 13:46:05 <usr> i don't know, i simply wan't an ide which put's things together like python, pygtk and ipkg-tools
May 11 13:46:25 <nytowl> mrmoku, thanks
May 11 13:46:25 <usr> also python-dbus
May 11 13:47:08 <usr> one to work with fso, shr and om
May 11 13:47:54 <usr> nytowl: do you know people who would like to use sth. like that?
May 11 13:49:14 <usr> it should be something plain and simple, easy to hack on written in python, pygtk for the ide-gui and (b)ash
May 11 13:49:19 <nytowl> usr I'm sure there a people here that would use such a tool, if you are looking for people who might want to help develop it you might what to check #python
May 11 13:50:37 <usr> i'm not sure because it should be just for the freerunner
May 11 13:52:26 <nytowl> If it's an IDE why would it just be for the freerunner ?
May 11 13:52:32 <usr> but i wouldn't like to implement kind of stuff by myself, except stuff i use myself
May 11 13:53:06 <nytowl> You might also want to look at something other than pygtk as half of the freerunner distro's are trying to move away from gtk
May 11 13:53:54 <usr> because i didn't found one which worked great for my needs
May 11 13:54:44 <usr> what do they plane to use else? etk?
May 11 13:55:20 <nytowl> probably on etk but other libraries from enlightenment
May 11 13:55:50 <usr> pygtk is great because it works nearly everywhere 
May 11 13:56:31 <usr> so if i would implement modules for python-dbus coding i could use them later on
May 11 13:57:04 <usr> do you code in python?
May 11 13:57:30 <nytowl> I've written a few small programs in python
May 11 13:57:51 <usr> and do you use python-dbus-calls?
May 11 13:58:36 <nytowl> I don't think any of my programs use dbus 
May 11 13:58:55 <usr> to bad...
May 11 13:59:45 <usr> i want to put automated python-dbus code together, to access the hardware
May 11 14:00:15 <nytowl> most distro's will use frameworkd to access the hardware
May 11 14:01:50 <usr> i want to do an ide wich does all this kind of stuff
May 11 14:01:50 <TAsn> I just noticed shr's state files are wayyy too weak (volume)
May 11 14:02:00 <TAsn> they used to have a louder volume setting
May 11 14:06:36 <usr> the point is, i plan on to access the hardware in the most common ways dbus, framework mdbus or whatever... to simplify work later on i plan on to put all the single calls in an ide which shell be able to generate the code itself. the next time i'll need a call i can use the ide to generate it
May 11 14:07:47 <usr> same for pygtk, ore what ever i'll use to code later apps
May 11 14:08:29 <usr> so in the end i plan on to have an ide wich can do the most things by it's own
May 11 14:11:40 <usr> to integrate new functionality i thought about to write single scripts or text files with plain example code which is modified and integrated in the app by using the ide
May 11 14:13:32 <usr> who does like my plan for this ide?
May 11 14:15:08 <usr> who would like to help?
May 11 14:16:53 <mwester> Greetings and Salutations, O happy Openmoko developers.
May 11 14:17:27 <usr> mwester: would you like to help write an ide?
May 11 14:17:54 <Ainulindale> All hail mwester! \o/
May 11 14:17:56 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #435 (The default locale is again POSIX and not en_US.utf8) created <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/435>
May 11 14:18:07 <mwester> usr:  Nope.  Command line is all I ever want.
May 11 14:18:45 <usr> so you are the guy, which will implement the dbus
May 11 14:18:55 <usr> who will
May 11 14:19:18 <mwester> Ainulindale, are you going to take charge, and lead us?  :)  We are lost in a maze of twisty little changes, and need someone to prioritize what to fix for a release.
May 11 14:20:15 <mwester> What is SHR-WugBranler on about?  Is that the bug that requres the locales be built to get the shr theme?
May 11 14:24:49 <usr> shit, as you all have reed i'm planing on to write an "python" ide for fso. let me tell you some more it'll be the most reliable and best freerunner compatible ide out there. and if you'll don't like my code you are free to feel sorry that you don't gave me support in this early days of coding an ide ^^
May 11 14:25:39 <lindi-> usr: you are writing an idea that can be used on freerunner?
May 11 14:26:07 <Ainulindale> mwester: Well I can lead. I know what I want, I just need information first.
May 11 14:26:13 <usr> i have plans on to do so
May 11 14:26:14 <Ainulindale> hence my question to mrmoku about opimd w.r.t. lfp-efl
May 11 14:26:20 <Ainulindale> I'd like to release with opimd
May 11 14:26:23 <Ainulindale> I need to talk with dos for that
May 11 14:26:59 <lindi-> s/idea/ide/
May 11 14:27:01 <bzzbot> lindi- meant: usr: you are writing an ide that can be used on freerunner?
May 11 14:27:11 <usr> because i think that's the kind of support openmoko could need right now
May 11 14:27:28 <mwester> nytowl:  have you taken a look at the g_ether startup script used by SHR -- is that something that could find its way up to the OM distro to ensure that we use the correct (OM-provided) MAC addrs even if g_ether is a module?
May 11 14:27:43 <mwester> Ainulindale:  I'd love to see opimd as well. :)
May 11 14:27:48 <usr> i have to do sth. else, see you all
May 11 14:37:22 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #409 (autoload log on lost calls) updated <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/409#comment:1>
May 11 14:41:57 <nytowl> mwester, I was going to start looking a startup optimization so I'll have a look at that too , is it in the overlay ?
May 11 14:42:10 <TAsn> mrmoku, ?
May 11 14:42:15 <mwester> It's in the initscripts section of the overlay.
May 11 14:42:22 <mrmoku> TAsn: no
May 11 14:42:29 <TAsn> please!
May 11 14:42:33 <nytowl> ok 
May 11 14:42:41 <mrmoku> TAsn: ok...
May 11 14:42:59 <TAsn> for some reason callrec's sources are downloaded from an old cache in your build
May 11 14:43:05 <TAsn> can you force rebuild+get from svn?
May 11 14:43:17 <TAsn> or something, I don't really know what to do ;]
May 11 14:43:24 <TAsn> btw, please rebuild evas
May 11 14:43:29 <TAsn> added a patch to overlay.
May 11 14:43:59 <mrmoku> have to fix a mail problem on a clients server first though :(
May 11 14:45:56 <TAsn> mrmoku, okie ;]
May 11 14:50:40 <methril|work> are someone taking a look into the trac tickets?
May 11 14:50:55 <methril|work> i see some of them looks solved or could not fix...
May 11 14:53:14 <TAsn> methril|work, not sure ;]
May 11 14:53:18 <Ainulindale> methril|work: well spaetz is supposed to :-)
May 11 14:54:38 <methril|work> well some are really old
May 11 14:55:31 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: understand you... delegation is fun :P
May 11 14:55:52 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: fun, no
May 11 14:55:54 <Ainulindale> I'd like to do that myself
May 11 14:55:57 <Ainulindale> I did my share
May 11 14:56:00 <Ainulindale> I can't be everywhere
May 11 14:56:06 <Ainulindale> Plus I'm starting a new project at work
May 11 14:56:09 <Ainulindale> So I'm a bit busy
May 11 14:56:14 <mrmoku> TAsn: delegated my mail server problem to my colleague
May 11 14:56:23 <Ainulindale> Coordinating this kind of thing is a full time job, and I can't do that, so I do what I can
May 11 14:56:28 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: no critic... just delegated something myself :P
May 11 14:56:53 <Ainulindale> I know, just explaining :-)
May 11 14:57:42 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: by the way, see the reactions about the migration?
May 11 14:57:50 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yep
May 11 14:57:55 <TAsn> mrmoku, ;]
May 11 14:58:14 <TAsn> what migration?
May 11 14:58:14 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I seriously think we should micro-merge more often
May 11 14:58:15 <methril|work> SHR needs a better unstable -> testing -> stable cycle
May 11 14:58:21 <Ainulindale> methril|work: obviously
May 11 14:58:28 <Ainulindale> I intend to write things down for the 22nd
May 11 14:58:29 <methril|work> or at least well defined
May 11 14:58:36 <Ainulindale> That's what I meant by micro
May 11 14:58:38 <TAsn> methril|work, it's hard
May 11 14:58:39 <Ainulindale> Identify something to test
May 11 14:58:40 <Ainulindale> Test it
May 11 14:58:41 <methril|work> i know
May 11 14:58:43 <TAsn> since unstable is very betaish
May 11 14:58:43 <Ainulindale> Then commit it
May 11 14:58:45 <Ainulindale> It's not hard
May 11 14:58:55 <TAsn> so it'll take time to get to testing
May 11 14:59:00 <methril|work> i'm going to put my hands on something in SHR :)
May 11 14:59:01 <Ainulindale> We can fix revisions for specific software
May 11 14:59:07 <Ainulindale> So it's not hard
May 11 14:59:13 <TAsn> Ainulindale, what I meant
May 11 14:59:24 <TAsn> is that even the current testing is not really testing material
May 11 14:59:30 <TAsn> it's unstable and less-unstable
May 11 14:59:31 <TAsn> ;]
May 11 14:59:44 <Ainulindale> that's because we don't have a stable yet
May 11 14:59:49 <TAsn> indeed.
May 11 14:59:58 <Ainulindale> Anyway, I was intending to feature-freeze this week
May 11 15:00:01 <Ainulindale> And fix the remaining stuff.
May 11 15:00:24 <Ainulindale> Hence my questions about ophonekitd-vala (still unanswered ptitjes :-p) and lfp-efl2
May 11 15:00:32 <Ainulindale> I want to see ophonekitd-vala deployed
May 11 15:00:34 <Ainulindale> ASAP
May 11 15:01:01 <methril|work> why not release a first framework (with python) and then migrate to vala?
May 11 15:01:11 <Ainulindale> errr what's the link here?
May 11 15:01:45 <Ainulindale> I was talking about ophonekitd, not frameworkd
May 11 15:02:02 <methril|work> ok
May 11 15:02:21 <mrmoku> so... for example the fix of the syscon menu... which comes with a new EFL_SRCREV
May 11 15:02:26 <Ainulindale> methril|work: Still waiting for substantial contributions from you by the way :-p
May 11 15:02:38 <mrmoku> how long are we supposed to have it in unstable until we're sure it won't break anything?
May 11 15:02:40 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: correct procedure would be
May 11 15:02:53 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: publicly tell that the revision in unstable has been bumped
May 11 15:02:55 <Ainulindale> That we need testers
May 11 15:02:57 <methril|work> Ainulindale: yes, you are right :)
May 11 15:03:04 <Ainulindale> Test it ourselves
May 11 15:03:10 <Ainulindale> A week is far enough for me
May 11 15:03:13 <Ainulindale> If it is good then
May 11 15:03:23 <TAsn> mrmoku, if it's fixed
May 11 15:03:23 <Ainulindale> Create a migrate script for shr-upgrade-path, drop it there
May 11 15:03:33 <Ainulindale> Bump revision in testing
May 11 15:03:37 <Ainulindale> Wait for complaints
May 11 15:03:40 <TAsn> I think putting the bindings back like they were are a good idea
May 11 15:03:46 <Ainulindale> (agreed)
May 11 15:03:53 <Ainulindale> Although
May 11 15:03:59 <TAsn> is*
May 11 15:04:00 <Ainulindale> I don't like the way it was done
May 11 15:04:08 <TAsn> what was done?
May 11 15:04:10 <Ainulindale> This has to imply USER AGREEMENT
May 11 15:04:26 <Ainulindale> I'll write EULAs if you do that again :-p
May 11 15:04:35 <mrmoku> do what?
May 11 15:04:42 <TAsn> mrmoku, fixing callrec and rebuilding evas? ;]
May 11 15:04:47 <mrmoku> :P
May 11 15:05:03 <TAsn> ^ ^
May 11 15:05:10 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: changing things which impact on the way we're used to do things/UI/things seeable on an user point of view
May 11 15:05:20 <Ainulindale> for example bindings changes
May 11 15:05:23 <Ainulindale> this is unsettling
May 11 15:05:27 <Ainulindale> this was unsettling for me at least :-)
May 11 15:05:41 <Ainulindale> I told myself "hey, someone commited on that again. Without asking me if I liked it."
May 11 15:05:44 <Ainulindale> me as in "user" :-)
May 11 15:05:46 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: well... changing the keybinding to suspend directly looked like the only alternative to have working suspend at all!
May 11 15:06:04 <mrmoku> it was thought as temporary only until the menu got fixed
May 11 15:06:07 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: agreed, but this is obviously a failover solution, it has to be told somewhere :-)
May 11 15:06:16 <Ainulindale> if it was and if I didn't read it, fine :-p
May 11 15:06:30 <Ainulindale> But my pinky tells me that it wasn't told properly
May 11 15:06:37 <lindi-> just add a menu entry for suspend?
May 11 15:08:33 <mrmoku> lindi-: in which menu?
May 11 15:10:03 <lindi-> mrmoku: i'm sure there's some way for an application X to register itself to some menu-like thing where people can start the app in e?
May 11 15:10:20 <TAsn> lindi-, desktop?
May 11 15:10:43 <mrmoku> TAsn: callrec is not in the overlay... its in OE
May 11 15:10:49 <mrmoku> and gets from svn.pprojects.om.org
May 11 15:10:49 <TAsn> mrmoku, I know
May 11 15:10:55 <TAsn> I know
May 11 15:11:00 <TAsn> though it's taking a cache
May 11 15:11:00 <mrmoku> so what?
May 11 15:11:03 <TAsn> somewhere in the middle
May 11 15:11:06 <TAsn> an old cache
May 11 15:11:19 <TAsn> instead of the real svn.
May 11 15:11:20 <TAsn> ;\
May 11 15:11:21 <mrmoku> maybe some SRCREV set?
May 11 15:11:31 <TAsn> not that I know of.
May 11 15:11:34 <mrmoku> what is the current rev?
May 11 15:11:36 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: how would you measure the probability of a full-fledged functional opimd based lfp-efl2 by the end of the week?
May 11 15:11:38 <TAsn> (also looked in the bb)
May 11 15:11:58 <TAsn> mrmoku, 4
May 11 15:12:04 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: full-fledged functional? including messages? 
May 11 15:12:09 <mrmoku> don't think so...
May 11 15:12:15 <mrmoku> contacts only might be possible
May 11 15:12:47 <mrmoku> messages are not even started... neither by dos1 nor by me
May 11 15:12:52 <Ainulindale> Hmmm
May 11 15:13:04 <Ainulindale> Contacts is a first good thing though
May 11 15:13:20 <Ainulindale> We have a willing methril|work here
May 11 15:13:25 <mrmoku> I will concentrate on efl2 contacts for the next two days then
May 11 15:13:26 <Ainulindale> And TAsn knows his way around python
May 11 15:13:35 <Ainulindale> So we could use these gifts to help us :-p
May 11 15:13:47 <TAsn> Ainulindale, that's a huge overstatement
May 11 15:13:59 <TAsn> I know my way around python with a walking stick and a guiding dog ;]
May 11 15:14:04 <TAsn> though yeah, I can help
May 11 15:14:07 <TAsn> what do you need?
May 11 15:14:09 <methril|work> well, i'm here, but my python skills are not really good
May 11 15:14:21 <Ainulindale> methril|work: C?
May 11 15:14:24 <Ainulindale> Vala?
May 11 15:14:37 <TAsn> Ainulindale, isn't the contacts app written in vala?
May 11 15:14:37 <Ainulindale> TAsn: well, opimd/messages
May 11 15:14:40 <methril|work> better for me (i'm more C/C++)
May 11 15:14:40 <TAsn> (at least should be)
May 11 15:14:53 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I can also do (actually prefer) C.
May 11 15:14:56 <Ainulindale> methril|work: well libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 is C 
May 11 15:15:07 <methril|work> some bugs in?
May 11 15:15:10 <Ainulindale> So if we can divide the work amongst people
May 11 15:15:15 <methril|work> i don't mind to learn another language
May 11 15:15:18 <TAsn> though I don't know my way around elementary
May 11 15:15:19 <nytowl> mwester, does your g_ether handling allow connman to bring the interface up and down ?
May 11 15:15:20 <Ainulindale> And if someone can help mrmoku with lfp-efl2
May 11 15:15:28 <Ainulindale> He could focus on opimd with dos
May 11 15:15:30 <mrmoku> TAsn: neither do i :(
May 11 15:15:32 <Ainulindale> Hence speeding up the process
May 11 15:15:35 <Ainulindale> TAsn: neither do I :-)
May 11 15:15:36 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I promised I'll look into it tonight
May 11 15:15:41 <TAsn> Ainulindale, shit.
May 11 15:15:47 <Ainulindale> TAsn: But we already have the basic functionnalities in the code now
May 11 15:15:49 * TAsn needs to find a new excuse
May 11 15:15:51 <Ainulindale> TAsn: So we need the layer under
May 11 15:15:55 <mrmoku> nytowl: it brings it up... but does not recognize plug in / out
May 11 15:16:00 <methril|work> ok, i take a look at the code and tell some progress here
May 11 15:16:00 <Ainulindale> TAsn: that is opimd <> lfp-efl2
May 11 15:16:05 <Ainulindale> methril|work: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2.git;a=blob;f=src/phonegui-contacts.c;h=a293cb0498013238c12edf289847e21529d84a41;hb=HEAD
May 11 15:16:08 <Ainulindale> (example)
May 11 15:16:21 <bumbl> Ainulindale: expect a ring ding ding bananaphone until this weekend
May 11 15:16:41 <nytowl> mwester, do you know what's missing for hotplug support ?
May 11 15:16:46 <Ainulindale> bumbl: aaaaaaah :-)
May 11 15:17:02 <Ainulindale> TAsn: we seriously need hands here
May 11 15:17:04 <methril|work> what are the missing features?
May 11 15:17:07 <mrmoku> TAsn: (callrec) I think the problem is that there is no rev set nowhere
May 11 15:17:17 <mwester> nytowl:  The g_ether handling does not affect/impact the Neo side of things at all; it affects how the host side treats the connection, and lets the host's network manager handle the link correctly (i.e. instead of seeing a "random" cdc-ether device, the host sees a known mac addr, and assigns a persistent "ethN" interface to it).
May 11 15:17:17 <Ainulindale> methril|work: well for the time being full fledged opimd contacts through lfp-efl2
May 11 15:17:23 <mrmoku> set it to AUTOREV for unstable?
May 11 15:17:24 <Ainulindale> I'll leave mrmoku for the technical issues
May 11 15:17:30 <TAsn> mrmoku, oh, so it's caching? ;\
May 11 15:17:40 <TAsn> mrmoku, will check it out later,
May 11 15:17:46 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I know, I will try to do my best
May 11 15:17:47 <mrmoku> TAsn: no... it is taking the first rev I think
May 11 15:17:48 <Ainulindale> Then when messages will be opimdable, lfp-efl2 messages are needed too
May 11 15:17:48 <mwester> nytowl:  for hotplug on the neo, we have a problem.  I've been looking at it, and have procured a read cdc-ether hardware device to test with.
May 11 15:17:58 <TAsn> mrmoku, can't be
May 11 15:18:03 <TAsn> sounds weird
May 11 15:18:04 <TAsn> ;]
May 11 15:18:12 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: could you sum up quickly what is working and what isn't on lfp-efl2 ?
May 11 15:18:18 <Ainulindale> Possibly on the ML?
May 11 15:18:26 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I know, I will try to do my best, though I'm really busy working on e17
May 11 15:18:33 <TAsn> adding A LOT of rtl support
May 11 15:18:41 <Ainulindale> TAsn: That's because you're not focused enough on the true needs here
May 11 15:18:41 <TAsn> ;)))
May 11 15:18:42 <Ainulindale> => SHR <=
May 11 15:18:46 <nytowl> mwester I know the g_ether script and the connman handling are 2 separate issues one just triggered the other in my brain
May 11 15:18:47 <mwester> nytowl:  specifically, I am concerned that perhaps the g_ether device cannot and should not send the normal plug/unplug events, based on what it is actually doing. :( 
May 11 15:18:51 <TAsn> Ainulindale, shr uses e17
May 11 15:18:56 <TAsn> so helping e17 means helping shr
May 11 15:18:57 <TAsn> ;]
May 11 15:18:58 <Ainulindale> TAsn: yeah but SHR uses other stuff :-p
May 11 15:19:06 <Ainulindale> You sound exactly as ptitjes :-p
May 11 15:19:13 <Ainulindale> "Yeah SHR will use vala. So I'll work on vala."
May 11 15:19:17 <TAsn> Ainulindale, that traitor? nah. ;]
May 11 15:19:17 <mwester> nytowl:  I hope to have an update for the shr-ML by the end of today on the hotplug issue. 
May 11 15:19:21 <TAsn> (j/k)
May 11 15:19:22 <Ainulindale> then "Vala needs GIR. I'll work on GIR"
May 11 15:19:31 <Ainulindale> next thing you know he's working on something far far away :-)
May 11 15:19:46 <max_posedon> is it safe update shr-testing today?
May 11 15:20:05 <TAsn> Ainulindale, ;]
May 11 15:20:06 <Ainulindale> max_posedon: quick question :-)
May 11 15:20:08 <nytowl> mwester, if you could just CC me on that mail as Ainulindale hasn't fixed my shr ML subscriptions
May 11 15:20:13 <TAsn> that's the way it is, people tend to drift.
May 11 15:20:15 <mwester> Ok.
May 11 15:20:21 <Ainulindale> max_posedon: do you have time to work on some update scripts for SHR? :-)
May 11 15:20:26 <Ainulindale> nytowl: which one?
May 11 15:20:40 <nytowl> shr-devel 
May 11 15:20:56 <max_posedon> sorry no, I care only about gentoo as distribution
May 11 15:21:07 <Ainulindale> max_posedon: peh! :-)
May 11 15:21:13 <TAsn> Ainulindale, anyhow, I'll try, will look into it. though we need standards! when in a yes/no dialog which is on the left and which is on the right?
May 11 15:21:17 <Ainulindale> nytowl: so what with your subscription here?
May 11 15:21:27 <Ainulindale> TAsn: Keep what is there already, then we'll work on that
May 11 15:21:45 <Ainulindale> But on UI problems, I have to tell you, I'm as gifted as an oyster
May 11 15:21:47 <nytowl> Ainulindale, It didn't change over when you mved the list
May 11 15:22:02 <TAsn> Ainulindale, same here.
May 11 15:22:08 <TAsn> I hate UI design ;]
May 11 15:22:22 <Ainulindale> nytowl: what do you want exactly?
May 11 15:22:23 <TAsn> btw, I think this time we'll write a non-python phonelog
May 11 15:22:25 <TAsn> ;]
May 11 15:22:42 <TAsn> anyhow, I really gotta go.
May 11 15:22:44 <TAsn> ciao.
May 11 15:23:43 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: talking about UI... http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/splash-mrmoku.ppm :P
May 11 15:23:48 <methril|work> i stay waiting for mrmoku mail resuming the lfp-efl2
May 11 15:24:03 <Ainulindale> How can I open that mrmoku?
May 11 15:24:14 <methril|work> nice!
May 11 15:24:15 <mrmoku> methril|work: will test out now what is working and what not
May 11 15:24:20 <methril|work> ok,
May 11 15:24:36 <methril|work> i take a look this night (as start)
May 11 15:24:43 <methril|work> i've to go
May 11 15:24:45 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: Xglamo -root-ppm splash.ppm -hide-cursor
May 11 15:24:55 <Ainulindale> Ah, no, opened it with gimp
May 11 15:25:04 <mrmoku> hope not on the FR :P
May 11 15:25:06 <Ainulindale> Hmmm how can I be gentle enough
May 11 15:25:11 <mrmoku> :)
May 11 15:25:13 <Ainulindale> Which word should I choose
May 11 15:25:17 <Ainulindale> IT'S HORRID
May 11 15:25:19 <Ainulindale> I love it!
May 11 15:25:48 <Ainulindale> Kind of picasso-like though
May 11 15:25:49 <nytowl> Ainulindale, I was hoping you could fix my subscription 
May 11 15:25:54 <mrmoku> Mocki horor panic show ;)
May 11 15:26:01 <Ainulindale> nytowl: what do you mean by "fix"? :-)
May 11 15:26:17 <Ainulindale> nytowl: Do you want me to manually subscribe you? Change your subscription? Enlarge your penis?
May 11 15:26:38 <nytowl> not the 3rd , I don't want you anywhere near my parts
May 11 15:26:59 <Ainulindale> That's wise, I guess.
May 11 15:28:17 <nytowl> I can manually resubscribe myself ( assuming I knew where the ML list is now ) , or you could change my email in the ML from nytowl@openmoko.org to .com 
May 11 15:28:54 <mrmoku> lists.shr-project.org
May 11 15:29:50 <Ainulindale> Done.
May 11 15:29:56 <Ainulindale> And subscribed you to shr-devel too.
May 11 15:30:59 <nytowl> Ainulindale, mrmoku thx
May 11 15:31:12 <Ainulindale> Dolby.
May 11 15:31:43 <methril|work> bbl
May 11 15:39:07 <mwester> Stereo is good enough for me.
May 11 15:39:41 * mrmoku wonders if gta01 even has the dolby chip :P
May 11 15:40:01 <Ainulindale> mwester: Same here.
May 11 15:40:10 <Ainulindale> I'm quite happy with my current setup.
May 11 15:40:15 <khiraly1> mirko: here?
May 11 15:40:26 <khiraly1> mirko: The gui freezed without sim too
May 11 15:41:26 <khiraly1> mirko: The strangest thing, that I can tap on buttons (i/o, Peiple, Tele, Msgs) and got visual feedback. 
May 11 15:43:22 <mwester> Bad news on the g_ether/netlink events, I suspect.
May 11 15:43:22 <khiraly1> mirko: there is nothing logged into paroli.log. BUT if I click on the alarm, I get into paroli.log time setting called
May 11 15:43:54 <PaulFertser> mwester: who's claming that?
May 11 15:44:03 <mwester> me
May 11 15:44:31 <PaulFertser> mwester: :(
May 11 15:44:50 <PaulFertser> mwester: could you please share the news?
May 11 15:44:58 <mwester> We may end up having to carry a custom patch.
May 11 15:45:09 <mirko> khiraly1: I assume you wanna talk to paroli-mirko - he seems not to be here
May 11 15:45:25 <mwester> I have aquired a real physical cdc-ether device -- it turns out that it behaves like an ethernet switch.
May 11 15:45:29 <mrmoku> ~seen mirko-paroli
May 11 15:45:30 <bzzbot> mirko-paroli <n=mirko@219-84-178-29-adsl-tpe.dynamic.so-net.net.tw> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 1d 18h 58m 38s ago, saying: 'ecore'.
May 11 15:45:46 <khiraly1> mirko: doh. Are you not the same guy?
May 11 15:45:54 <mirko> khiraly1: nope :)
May 11 15:45:58 <khiraly1> sorry
May 11 15:46:07 <mirko> khiraly1: np :)
May 11 15:46:09 <mwester> meaning that the link comes up if the usb hardware "blob" in the center of the cable is plugged in, regardless of the status of the host on the far end of the cable.
May 11 15:46:14 <khiraly1> who are you than?;)
May 11 15:46:23 <mwester> I suspect g_ether is mimicing that behavior, as it probably should.
May 11 15:46:33 <mirko> i'm another mirko - working on the OpenWrt-port
May 11 15:46:36 <mwester> So it will not, by default, tell us about the status of the host on the other end.
May 11 15:48:15 <khiraly1> the trac of paroli-project requires authentication when I do register
May 11 15:48:22 <khiraly1> Its impossible to report bugs
May 11 15:48:51 <PaulFertser> mwester: Still i fail to see a real reason to not set carrier_off when the link is actually unavailable.
May 11 15:49:11 <mirko> khiraly1: hu? you can't register?
May 11 15:49:14 <mwester> One can argure that.
May 11 15:49:19 <mwester> er, argue even.
May 11 15:49:30 <khiraly1> mirko: nope.
May 11 15:49:37 <mwester> but we can try to patch it, and see what upstream says.
May 11 15:49:48 <khiraly1> doh
May 11 15:49:54 <khiraly1> im kind of stupid.
May 11 15:50:11 <mirko> khiraly1: ?
May 11 15:50:13 <khiraly1> I written my name and password, and after immediatly I got a http auth window
May 11 15:50:55 <khiraly1> I assumed, Im not enabled to register. But I can write my name and password there, and will let me in
May 11 15:50:57 <khiraly1> ok
May 11 15:51:05 <mirko> :P - ok
May 11 15:52:30 <PaulFertser> mwester: i failed to see a place to patch it. Spent some time looking but failed to understand how and where it reacts to disconnect.
May 11 15:52:47 <mwester> that could be a problem then. :(
May 11 15:53:56 <mwester> my concern is that I suspect for the reasons I've described, it was never designed with that in mind, and the necessary notification mechanism may not be easy to find and wire in.  But with sufficient effort, I think it can be done.
May 11 15:54:09 <PaulFertser> Ack
May 11 15:59:59 <mrmoku> mwester: and a module option to turn that behaviour on might convince upstream to want it :P
May 11 16:00:38 <mwester> I'm actually hoping that we're not the first to want this feature, so perhaps there's code out there if we can find it.
May 11 16:17:15 <mrmoku> mwester, PaulFertser: what about gether_connect()? isn't that what we want?
May 11 16:17:43 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: I'll try to take a look at it now, thanks for the pointer.
May 11 16:17:59 <max_posedon> ok, update isn't possible, what SHR is most interested now, unstable or testing?
May 11 16:21:41 <Ainulindale> unstable I'd say
May 11 16:29:18 <max_posedon> thanks
May 11 16:30:56 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: 
May 11 16:31:05 <DocScrutinizer> hi!
May 11 16:31:20 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: there?
May 11 16:31:22 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: hi o/
May 11 16:31:35 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: yep
May 11 16:31:41 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: http://pastealacon.com/2872
May 11 16:31:45 <Ainulindale> (a fellow french)
May 11 16:32:02 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: build a moko11 .opkg for SHR??? (hint, hint)
May 11 16:32:13 <Ainulindale> SRC_URI is file://
May 11 16:32:18 <Ainulindale> (for a local git repo)
May 11 16:32:25 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: I'm not here but you can leave a message
May 11 16:32:34 <DocScrutinizer> heh
May 11 16:33:09 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: he has to set SRCPV-pn_... in local-builds.inc too... see post to ML
May 11 16:33:50 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: you didn't update the wiki then :-)
May 11 16:34:03 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: I'm not here either, but you may leave your opinion ;-D
May 11 16:34:06 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: well... as I said before... two hands only ;)
May 11 16:34:11 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: on what?
May 11 16:34:14 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: nah! 
May 11 16:34:26 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: build a moko11 .opkg for SHR??? (hint, hint)
May 11 16:34:28 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I just wasn't sure I missed something or not there
May 11 16:34:39 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: What's the link with my opinion there?
May 11 16:35:20 <Ainulindale> dos1!
May 11 16:35:30 <Ainulindale> Ah, I startled him
May 11 16:35:31 <DocScrutinizer> do you think it would be a nice-to-have, maybe even worth the work of somewone capable of doing that?
May 11 16:35:33 <mwester> You scared him.
May 11 16:35:41 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: I don't even know what it is
May 11 16:35:53 <mrmoku> dos1|neo: stay! ;)
May 11 16:35:56 <DocScrutinizer> gsm-firmware update
May 11 16:35:56 <rtp> mwester: I remember seeing a patch about g_ether vs ethtool link report patch in Linus tree. did you check if you have it ?
May 11 16:37:06 <dos1|neo> mrmoku: sorry, i accidentally tapped "x" button ;x
May 11 16:37:14 <mrmoku> rtp: good find
May 11 16:37:22 <mrmoku> mwester: http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/20878/
May 11 16:37:40 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: you too :)
May 11 16:38:34 <dos1|neo> mrmoku: do you want ask me something ? or tell?
May 11 16:38:39 <dos1|neo> ;x
May 11 16:38:54 <mrmoku> dos1|neo: editin SIM contacts still blocks frameworkd for ages ;P
May 11 16:39:31 <mrmoku> rtp: hmm... is that the patch you meant? because it is in...
May 11 16:39:34 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: I thought it might be a cool feature to upgrade gsm via opkg install moko11-fw
May 11 16:39:58 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: well I didn't even know it was a firmware =)
May 11 16:40:03 <Ainulindale> But it could be a good thing yes
May 11 16:40:05 <dos1|neo> mrmoku: i have to ask someone from fso, why
May 11 16:40:13 <Ainulindale> (for my part I never updated my firmware. Should I?)
May 11 16:40:24 <DocScrutinizer> sure
May 11 16:40:33 <rtp> mrmoku: I don't know the kernel he's using so it's hard to know if he has the patch or not :)
May 11 16:40:34 <Ainulindale> What would be the changes?
May 11 16:40:35 <dos1|neo> Ainulindale: you should
May 11 16:40:46 <DocScrutinizer> moko11 is fixing some issues
May 11 16:40:51 <Ainulindale> Which issues?
May 11 16:40:56 <Ainulindale> Where can I find info?
May 11 16:40:59 <DocScrutinizer> flowcontrol e.g
May 11 16:41:02 <Ainulindale> How old is the captain?
May 11 16:41:05 <dos1|neo> something about waking from suspend on call
May 11 16:41:08 <Ainulindale> When do we eat?
May 11 16:41:31 * DocScrutinizer thinks Ainulindale is drunk
May 11 16:41:49 <Ainulindale> Nah.
May 11 16:42:23 <mrmoku> dos1|neo: another one ;)
May 11 16:42:24 <mrmoku> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/shr-splash.sh: file does not exist
May 11 16:42:31 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: i think i saw that earlier, but it doesn't exactly solve the issue. Might be a good hint though.
May 11 16:42:48 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: yeah, especially because we have that one...
May 11 16:44:52 <dos1|neo> mrmoku: check in bb file if that file is installed... maybe i removed too much
May 11 16:45:02 <dos1|neo> but it worked for me...
May 11 16:45:20 <mrmoku> have too eat first
May 11 16:45:23 * mrmoku --> dinner
May 11 16:46:41 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: yes, it should be packaged...
May 11 16:48:41 <thrashold> Which part of shr should I create packages to get the cool GUI apps running on Debian? shr-contacts, shr-dialer, shr-messages and shr-settings? Plus the two libframeworkd- libs?
May 11 16:48:55 <Ainulindale> plus ophonekitd
May 11 16:49:04 <Ainulindale> plus libframeworkd-phonegui 
May 11 16:49:06 <Ainulindale> plus libframeworkd-glib 
May 11 16:51:15 <PaulFertser> thrashold: what about elementary, is it already packaged?
May 11 16:53:06 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: I tried it, I hope I didn't break anything
May 11 16:53:47 <Ainulindale> It seems not to work anymore though :-/
May 11 16:54:31 <Ainulindale> 2009.05.11 18:50:40.442 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new channel from 'gsm0710muxd'
May 11 16:54:34 <Ainulindale> And stops there.
May 11 16:54:39 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: Can I kill you now?
May 11 16:54:51 <Ainulindale> Or would you rather wait until next week?
May 11 16:55:11 <Ainulindale> No reply from the muxer
May 11 16:56:04 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: have you followed the manual instructions of flashing calypso or used uSD image?
May 11 16:56:56 <thrashold> PaulFertser: Yep, I finished compiling all of enlightenment, minus e itself (still waiting for it)
May 11 16:57:18 <PaulFertser> thrashold: compiling != proper Debian packaging :(
May 11 16:57:34 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: manual instructions
May 11 16:57:36 <thrashold> I'm building debs with debuild
May 11 16:59:14 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: have you seen a new version after AT+CGMR command?
May 11 16:59:34 <Ainulindale> No.
May 11 16:59:42 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: if fluid.exe didn't report any errors, you're safe and new firmare is installed. Did it? 
May 11 16:59:50 <Ainulindale> No error at all.
May 11 16:59:54 <Ainulindale> No output to AT+CGMR either.
May 11 17:00:33 <Ainulindale> And now fluid sees nothing.
May 11 17:00:38 <Ainulindale> I'm feewing wucky.
May 11 17:00:42 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: no error == should work (did flashing take some reasonable like 4 minutes) time?
May 11 17:01:01 <Ainulindale> Yeah. But now I have no output at all on the muxer, and frameworkd timeouts.
May 11 17:01:05 <Ainulindale> (on the muxer)
May 11 17:01:23 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: try to kill framework, kill the muxer.
May 11 17:01:33 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: ensure it's really killed (esp. the muxer).
May 11 17:01:48 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: there was no single report of unsuccessful reflash.
May 11 17:01:54 <Ainulindale> I rebooted PaulFertser...
May 11 17:03:08 <Ainulindale> 2009.05.11 19:02:10.397 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO     Requesting new channel from 'gsm0710muxd'
May 11 17:03:11 <Ainulindale> root@om-gta02 ~ $ date
May 11 17:03:14 <Ainulindale> Mon May 11 19:02:21 CEST 2009
May 11 17:03:35 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: i'd try to socat - file:/dev/ttySAC0,crtscts,crnl,b115200 and then to power on the modem by sysfs node.
May 11 17:03:48 <Ainulindale> socat? What's that?
May 11 17:04:02 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: what could this be?
May 11 17:04:07 <Ainulindale> (I see that DocScrutinizer fled)
May 11 17:04:34 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: socat is an ultimate utility to connect anything to anything. In this case to connect your console to the serial port.
May 11 17:04:44 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: mad useful, supports TCP etc.
May 11 17:05:05 <Ainulindale> I have no idea about what my problem could be there
May 11 17:05:10 <Ainulindale> It's just not my field at all
May 11 17:05:48 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: socat'ed. echo'ed 1, 0, 1, 0. Nothing.
May 11 17:05:54 <Ainulindale> Although echoing 1 takes time.
May 11 17:06:08 <Ainulindale> [  688.460000] rxerr: port=0 ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000c
May 11 17:06:08 <Ainulindale> [  691.555000] modem wakeup interrupt
May 11 17:06:10 <Ainulindale> Plus that.
May 11 17:06:51 <Ainulindale> Still nothing in socat.
May 11 17:06:57 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: i assume you're trying it with the muxer not running, aren't you?
May 11 17:07:54 <Ainulindale> Yes.
May 11 17:08:01 <Ainulindale> I'm rebooting.
May 11 17:08:41 <Arhuaco> Ainulindale: We need more data about this bug...
May 11 17:08:56 <Ainulindale> Which bug?
May 11 17:09:50 <Arhuaco> Ainulindale: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2257
May 11 17:10:28 <Ainulindale> Echoed 1, after reboot, no process. Still no output.
May 11 17:10:59 <Arhuaco> Ainulindale: fuser /dev/ttySAC0  ?
May 11 17:11:01 <Arhuaco> empty?
May 11 17:11:13 <Ainulindale> 1491
May 11 17:11:21 <Arhuaco> is it socat?
May 11 17:11:22 <Ainulindale> That is, socat.
May 11 17:11:25 <Arhuaco> Ok.
May 11 17:11:36 <Arhuaco> Latest kernel?
May 11 17:11:44 <Ainulindale> Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Wed May 6 07:56:45 CEST 2009 armv4tl unknown
May 11 17:11:54 <Ainulindale> (don't move)
May 11 17:12:21 <Ainulindale> kernel - 2.6.29-oe10+gitr119805+f656a97d946a2529630c9770a72c10a24dc397f9-r3.4 
May 11 17:14:18 <Ainulindale> Nothing. At all.
May 11 17:14:28 <Arhuaco> ATZ
May 11 17:14:29 <Arhuaco> ?
May 11 17:14:36 <Ainulindale> Nothing.
May 11 17:14:37 <Arhuaco> Not OK as an answer? :-(
May 11 17:14:37 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: i suggest you try to reflash again.
May 11 17:14:41 <Ainulindale> I tried.
May 11 17:14:46 <PaulFertser> What gives?
May 11 17:14:54 <Ainulindale> No answer on fluid.
May 11 17:15:02 <Ainulindale> (how am I supposed to kill socaT?)
May 11 17:15:07 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: ^C
May 11 17:15:16 <Ainulindale> Nope
May 11 17:15:17 <Arhuaco> PaulFertser: I think I'm wrong... this is not the bug. You're flashing GSM. Sorry.
May 11 17:15:19 <Ainulindale> Doesn't want to.
May 11 17:15:24 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: no answer or (reset target) state?
May 11 17:15:31 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: reset target
May 11 17:16:20 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: now it hangs on stty
May 11 17:16:25 * Arhuaco BBL.
May 11 17:16:41 <DocScrutinizer> waaaaaah
May 11 17:16:45 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: i think DocScrutinizer will say "try the uSD image"
May 11 17:16:54 <DocScrutinizer> YUP!!!
May 11 17:17:03 <PaulFertser> As it has a known-to-work kernel and script.
May 11 17:17:36 <DocScrutinizer> talking to modem manually is RATHER tricky.
May 11 17:18:01 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: Do you think I could kill you now? :-)
May 11 17:18:18 <PaulFertser> OTOH i can't imagine how a flash that ended with OK from fluid.exe can lead to a non-working modem.
May 11 17:18:25 <DocScrutinizer> It's absolute NONSENSE to try and learn how to accomplish this *after* you (possibly unsuccessfully) flashed a new firmware
May 11 17:19:21 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: I probably go havok on the whole channel active members in a moment 
May 11 17:20:31 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: what do you think why I asked you if we could have gsm-flashing as a package??? to lure you into trying the proven-to-trick-noobs manual method?
May 11 17:20:47 <Ainulindale> Well I can't build a package of something I don't know the process of.
May 11 17:20:53 <Ainulindale> I was trying to apply it myself, and apparently it failed.
May 11 17:20:57 <Ainulindale> What can I say?
May 11 17:21:06 <DocScrutinizer> use uSD-image
May 11 17:21:11 <Ainulindale> That's what I'm trying to do
May 11 17:22:05 <DocScrutinizer> the uSD image is a silly 5liner script, a fw-blob, and a good standard kernel and few fso-tools. plus adapted init.scripts
May 11 17:22:10 <Ainulindale> Unfortunately it's scping at 180k/s apparently
May 11 17:22:22 <DocScrutinizer> can be easily packaged to be a .opkg in SHR
May 11 17:22:34 <Ainulindale> Why is it so slooow.
May 11 17:23:09 <DocScrutinizer> no idea where to and from you're scp'ing
May 11 17:23:47 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: Ainulindale is no noob and fluid.exe didn't report any errors... :-/
May 11 17:23:59 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: from my laptop to the neo
May 11 17:24:00 <Ainulindale> USB
May 11 17:24:20 <Ainulindale> I'm doing low speed apparently.
May 11 17:24:25 <khiraly1> Ainulindale: I get the same speed with my laptop+freerunner (om2009) combination
May 11 17:24:27 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: you have to: 1) download the uSD.tgz, 2) untar it. 3) Read the README, 4) proceed as told
May 11 17:24:36 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: What do you think I'm doing right now? =)
May 11 17:24:42 <Ainulindale> I'm just trying to scp the freaking tarball!
May 11 17:24:48 <Ainulindale> Half an hour :-/
May 11 17:24:57 <Ainulindale> Plus, problem is.
May 11 17:24:58 <DocScrutinizer> wtf what for???
May 11 17:25:00 <Ainulindale> I can't even untar it!
May 11 17:25:02 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: apparently Ainulindale lacks another cardreader except the FR's.
May 11 17:25:05 <Ainulindale> I don't have enough disk space...
May 11 17:25:11 <Ainulindale> Yep...
May 11 17:25:12 <DocScrutinizer> you shouldn't scp ther tarball to FR
May 11 17:25:19 <Ainulindale> I'm scping the imagE.
May 11 17:25:25 <Ainulindale> I don't have any card reader DocScrutinizer 
May 11 17:25:36 <Ainulindale> (Ooooh I'm feewing wucky today)
May 11 17:26:13 * mwester is an idiot.
May 11 17:26:35 <Ainulindale> Nah, just look at my wucky things today, I have no GSM now :-)
May 11 17:26:46 <DocScrutinizer> I suggest you ntar on PC, then pipe tru ssh to dd on FR and dd to the uSD
May 11 17:27:08 <Ainulindale> pipe tru ssh?
May 11 17:27:13 * mwester plugs the freerunner USB cable back in, and discovers the solution to his networking problem he has been troubleshooting for the past 10 minutes.
May 11 17:27:28 <Ainulindale> mwester: unplugged cable? :-)
May 11 17:27:38 <mwester> hehe
May 11 17:28:34 <khiraly1> Ainulindale: got a link to this uSD.tar.gz?
May 11 17:28:55 <Ainulindale> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing <=
May 11 17:29:10 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: so? Any idea? :-/
May 11 17:30:42 <Ainulindale> How come it's so slow..
May 11 17:31:05 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: cat usd.image | nc 192.168.0.202 12345 (on host) and nc -l -p 1234 > /dev/mmcblk0 (on FR) adjust the second nc options if it differs for you (sometimes -p is not required). 
May 11 17:31:19 <Ainulindale> -p ?
May 11 17:31:34 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: Are you happy if I tell you I'm currently under windows because I'm at work?
May 11 17:31:38 <Ainulindale> (seriously what a pain)
May 11 17:32:10 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: there's a nc port to windows too.
May 11 17:32:42 <Ainulindale> Yeah I was looking for it.
May 11 17:33:14 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: tried http://www.securityfocus.com/tools/139 ?
May 11 17:33:34 <Ainulindale> I was dezipping that 
May 11 17:35:00 * PaulFertser wished every FR user and developer was that good at understanding hints
May 11 17:36:22 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r84233b5d1521 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_powersupply/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: kernel26_powersupply: aggregate handles correctly when we don't have any power supply class devices
May 11 17:36:34 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r5926e6adaa79 10/vapi/eina.vapi: eina.vapi: bind EAPI const char *eina_stringshare_add_length(const char *str, unsigned int slen) EINA_WARN_UNUSED_RESULT;
May 11 17:41:14 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: meh
May 11 17:41:28 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: :(
May 11 17:42:07 <Ainulindale> I can't see any progress though
May 11 17:42:12 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: so strange that it (gsm flashing) worked flawlessly for many lusers and now you did everything right and somehow you can't access calypso anymore...
May 11 17:42:32 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: use your network bytes transfered indicator... 
May 11 17:42:32 <Ainulindale> Two solutions
May 11 17:42:38 <Ainulindale> (that's what I was doing=
May 11 17:42:41 <Ainulindale> So
May 11 17:42:43 <Ainulindale> Two solutions
May 11 17:42:46 <Ainulindale> Either I did something wrong
May 11 17:42:49 <Ainulindale> Or I did something wrong
May 11 17:42:58 <Ainulindale> The third optional solution is that I'm doomed
May 11 17:45:05 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: ever watched "Cannibal! The musical!" ?
May 11 17:45:08 <Ainulindale> Nah.
May 11 17:45:41 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibal_the_musical
May 11 17:46:04 <PaulFertser> Great songs, very funny.
May 11 17:46:46 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: what stil unswanered questions ?
May 11 17:47:28 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: btw did you have the 10 messages I left on your answering machine till 5 days ?
May 11 17:48:06 <ptitjes> So I tried the testing today.
May 11 17:48:14 <ptitjes> This works not too bad
May 11 17:49:05 <ptitjes> A strange behaviour one time with my other party don't earing me (but that may be due to his phone)
May 11 17:49:44 <ptitjes> Else, except for the system menu (Power key) showing with one pixel wide this is quite stable
May 11 17:50:11 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: seems it won't transfer
May 11 17:50:27 <Ainulindale> I'm doomed!
May 11 17:51:03 <ptitjes> Settings are really complete, that is very cool, except their display and choice of widgets are making it to big and sometimes impractical to change
May 11 17:51:49 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: create a shr package! I gonna supervise and provide files ;-)
May 11 17:52:19 <ptitjes> Ringing is still not synchronized with GUI (I persist to say this should be managed by opkd directly)
May 11 17:52:23 <ptitjes> Good feeling in general
May 11 17:52:34 <ptitjes> Is stable even better ?
May 11 17:52:44 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: For the time being I'd like to be able to use my GSM.
May 11 17:52:52 <Ainulindale> Isn't there anything I can do?
May 11 17:52:54 <ptitjes> s/stable/unstable/
May 11 17:52:54 <bzzbot> ptitjes meant: Is unstable even better ?
May 11 17:53:15 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: :((( what about cat usd.image | ssh root@fr bash -c 'cat > /dev/mmcblk0' ?
May 11 17:53:43 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: well I removed my battery as I was bored. I'll retry
May 11 17:54:20 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: at least we all know that by using fluid as you did one can't brick the modem.
May 11 17:54:22 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: hmm, in France I dunno, maybe you got another 8min to get a transcend usb-stick with 2GB uSD for <10 bucks
May 11 17:55:15 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: exactly what I menat with "pipe thru ssh"
May 11 17:56:15 <DocScrutinizer> you need to install pk on FR though, to get rid of silly password request
May 11 18:00:22 <Ainulindale> Seems it's going through this time after some tricks.
May 11 18:01:09 <Ainulindale> It still keeps me wondering why the speed is so slow.
May 11 18:01:36 <Ainulindale> It's using 15% of the capacity of the network
May 11 18:01:38 <DocScrutinizer> cpu maxout for decrypt?
May 11 18:01:58 <DocScrutinizer> write speed limitation in NAND?
May 11 18:02:21 <Ainulindale> Not even, 50% cpu according to top
May 11 18:02:22 <DocScrutinizer> hey, dfu-util is slow as hell too
May 11 18:02:28 <Ainulindale> yeah
May 11 18:02:47 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: could you please tell me what question I still unanswered you ?
May 11 18:02:53 <DocScrutinizer> probably writing to NAND takes it's time
May 11 18:03:16 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: Usage. Still no news.
May 11 18:03:18 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: at the moment, I feel like being waiting for you for some days
May 11 18:03:40 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: I've other things to do in my life, I was supposed to see you last thursday
May 11 18:03:45 <Ainulindale> You weren't able to come
May 11 18:04:02 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: you decided this without consulting me man
May 11 18:04:07 * DocScrutinizer still wonders what's Ainulindale's result of df -h
May 11 18:04:14 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: I am waiting to meet you for wekks now
May 11 18:04:23 <DocScrutinizer> and what's the plan then
May 11 18:04:42 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: as for Usage, I am waiting for an overall support of ophonekitd/vala in OE
May 11 18:04:47 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: You told me you would be coming
May 11 18:04:55 <Ainulindale> I didn't decide without consulting you
May 11 18:05:03 <Ainulindale> Plus, as told before, I have other things to do 
May 11 18:05:09 <Ainulindale> Namely a new project at work.
May 11 18:05:27 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: I told you I believed it was on Friday and that Thursaday was hard for me
May 11 18:05:35 <Ainulindale> Then it's not my fault
May 11 18:05:56 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: what's the what?
May 11 18:05:57 <ptitjes> OK it is my fault if you want
May 11 18:06:41 <ptitjes> I just don't want to wait for you for weeks, proposing loads of rendez-vous, you then propose one and I'm not available, guess man, I also work
May 11 18:07:04 <Ainulindale> So don't complain!
May 11 18:07:04 <usr> mdbus -s is not working for me why?
May 11 18:07:05 <ptitjes> If you want that we meet, be a little more available
May 11 18:07:15 <ptitjes> but don't tell me we don't meet
May 11 18:07:15 <usr> i use om 2008.12
May 11 18:07:21 <Ainulindale> I didn't tell you that
May 11 18:07:21 <PaulFertser> usr: LOL
May 11 18:07:24 <Ainulindale> You told that
May 11 18:07:47 <Ainulindale> I have no time these days, I told you that, I freed a day, you weren't able to come, end of topic here
May 11 18:07:49 <usr> PaulFerster: do you have a clue?
May 11 18:07:59 <Ainulindale> I can't see why you want to make a battle out of everything
May 11 18:07:59 <PaulFertser> usr: are you serious?
May 11 18:08:09 <usr> shure
May 11 18:08:20 <DocScrutinizer> usr is always serious ;-)
May 11 18:08:22 <PaulFertser> usr: OM2008.x is qtopia based, no FSO there, no mdbus.
May 11 18:08:46 <Ainulindale> Gaaaah it's so sloooow
May 11 18:09:05 <usr> PaulFerster: great, as i thought...
May 11 18:10:02 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: so I give you my loads of questions I asked you on messages (if you have some time to answer now)
May 11 18:10:03 <max_posedon> checking for FSO... configure: error: Package requirements (fsoframework-2.0 >= 0.0.0.0) were not met: No package 'fsoframework-2.0' found
May 11 18:10:11 <max_posedon> what I missing? and where I can take it?
May 11 18:10:22 <usr> and how do they access hardware?
May 11 18:10:31 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: you should have nfs-exported /dev/mmcblk
May 11 18:10:32 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: I can't possibly remember any question, plus I have no access to my GSM currently.
May 11 18:10:41 <DocScrutinizer> ahh wait, windoze
May 11 18:10:44 <ptitjes> Ainulindale:  - What format for the broadcast of F9N, do you have the technical details from Bearstech
May 11 18:10:46 <usr> through /sysfs?
May 11 18:10:49 <DocScrutinizer> no NFS :-/
May 11 18:10:53 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: meh :-)
May 11 18:11:14 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: - Did they tell you if we can organize a test broadcast session before we go to germany and when ?
May 11 18:11:36 <max_posedon> is somebody from FSO team alive?)
May 11 18:11:57 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: - I may be able to fix all the remaining stuff (and adding the one missing line in Usage) for F9N
May 11 18:12:06 <Ainulindale> I told you a month ago I didn't know any of that, plus I don't know the technical details about broadcasting
May 11 18:12:22 <ptitjes> ... I would like it to run so that we can make a big test session at F9N
May 11 18:12:24 <Ainulindale> You were supposed to write a mail about your questions and send it to me for the forward
May 11 18:12:57 <ptitjes> ... But I would need some support for this from you and mrmoku, that is finish the OE side, and build it
May 11 18:13:18 <mrmoku> ptitjes: will give you support in... 15mins?
May 11 18:13:23 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: errr, I don't anything about that too
May 11 18:13:39 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: we spoke about that when we met a month or so ago
May 11 18:13:48 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: you only have to ask them what format so that I can google a bit and find the recipe
May 11 18:13:50 <Ainulindale> you even took a piece of paper with what you should do written on it
May 11 18:13:51 <DocScrutinizer> drunk :-D
May 11 18:14:00 <ptitjes> mrmoku: :)
May 11 18:14:15 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: had the same impression ;)
May 11 18:14:19 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: they don't care, already told you that
May 11 18:14:28 <Ainulindale> they'll install what we need
May 11 18:14:36 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: but I don't even know what to send them
May 11 18:14:43 <Ainulindale> Neither do I
May 11 18:14:51 <Ainulindale> I'm no media expert
May 11 18:14:59 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: I have no idea of what the stream have to contain, DNS stuff, etc...
May 11 18:15:00 <Ainulindale> s/media //
May 11 18:15:01 <bzzbot> Ainulindale meant: I'm no expert
May 11 18:15:13 <Ainulindale> Neither have I.
May 11 18:15:52 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: you told me "they are ok to setup a broadcast server", so could you ask what that "broadcast server" consist of please
May 11 18:15:53 <DocScrutinizer> buy a mac! ;-D
May 11 18:15:59 <usr> PaulFerster: which os do u use? i think for me the only way left to go is shr
May 11 18:16:12 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: already told you they have no idea about that either
May 11 18:16:21 <ptitjes> ok
May 11 18:16:26 <ptitjes> so let forget the idea
May 11 18:16:29 <Ainulindale> That's why they're willing to install what we want
May 11 18:16:29 <PaulFertser> usr: on FR? Debian. But i recommend SHR.
May 11 18:16:38 <Ainulindale> I have no idea about what's necessary, neither have they
May 11 18:16:46 <ptitjes> I don't want to take time for that
May 11 18:16:49 <Ainulindale> They'll lend us bandwidth and CPU 
May 11 18:17:02 <usr> vagalume is still broken on shr right?
May 11 18:17:04 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: looks like some configure script is looking for cornucopia, no?
May 11 18:17:12 <ptitjes> I'll come with a camera and very powered PC to do that if someone know the how and what
May 11 18:17:27 <ptitjes> But that's all
May 11 18:18:01 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, I just writing ebuilds for fso-abys-0.3.3, and libfsotransport require it
May 11 18:18:39 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: look, it's from here http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=tree;f=libfsoframework;h=8046c4db599e2a10388227b5e02b7b6ce75d8995;hb=HEAD
May 11 18:18:45 <Ainulindale> *sigh*.
May 11 18:19:04 <max_posedon> wow
May 11 18:19:06 <max_posedon> crazy
May 11 18:19:10 <max_posedon> thanks
May 11 18:19:28 <max_posedon> somobody generate very interesting package names
May 11 18:19:50 <usr> PaulFerster: well shr unstable? ore testing?
May 11 18:20:02 <PaulFertser> usr: unstable
May 11 18:20:29 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: well I think I'll try at home as now it's slow as freaking hell
May 11 18:20:39 <Ainulindale> And I have no way to properly monitor
May 11 18:20:59 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, so, freesmartphone-framework dead, long live cornucopia ?
May 11 18:21:01 <Ainulindale> In between I have no GSM... gah...
May 11 18:21:09 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: or you can just leave it transfering and do something else.
May 11 18:21:18 <Ainulindale> I'm at work, it's 20:21 here
May 11 18:21:22 <Ainulindale> I'd like to eat :-)
May 11 18:21:36 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: cornucopia is actively developed, but python framework is still being worked on too.
May 11 18:21:44 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: and fso-abyss works with both.
May 11 18:21:44 <usr> shr light?
May 11 18:21:58 <Ainulindale> shr light, a.k.a. "fiat lux"
May 11 18:22:01 <PaulFertser> usr: doesn't matter, you can opkg anything later.
May 11 18:22:51 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, fine, if fso-abyss works with both, what is goal for libfsotransport ?
May 11 18:23:52 <mrmoku> ptitjes: ok, here I am :-)
May 11 18:24:16 <usr> which version exactly? glibc-ipk--20090509-om-gta02-testlab ore a standard? where is glibc for?
May 11 18:24:32 <ptitjes> mrmoku: thanks
May 11 18:24:46 <ptitjes> mrmoku: do you know what is the status of the recipes ?
May 11 18:24:57 <mrmoku> the last thing I remember was the gobject introspection thingie not building due to too old autotools
May 11 18:26:05 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: no idea, try to read the code, i haven't tried neither fso-abyss nor cornucopia myself yet.
May 11 18:26:07 <ptitjes> mrmoku: do you have an idea how to solve that ?
May 11 18:26:54 <mrmoku> ptitjes: apart from updating the autotools? no idea...
May 11 18:26:58 <usr> once i tried to compile something one the freerunner i got an error because of missing kernel-sources
May 11 18:27:29 <usr> the app i tried to compile was portbunny
May 11 18:27:37 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, ok, thanks, so I possibly doesn't need this now
May 11 18:28:42 <ptitjes> mrmoku: could you try that ?
May 11 18:29:16 <mrmoku> ptitjes: I retry to build gobject-introspection now... see how it fails
May 11 18:30:32 <usr> now it's flashing
May 11 18:30:48 <mrmoku> ptitjes: what depends on gobject-introspection and is there something that does not depend on it where the recipe is missing?
May 11 18:30:48 <usr> i don't like the ui of shr
May 11 18:30:58 <Ainulindale> Build a new one then.
May 11 18:31:29 <usr> they could have used the one from om 2008.x
May 11 18:31:38 <Ainulindale> No they couldn't.
May 11 18:31:43 <usr> why?
May 11 18:31:51 <PaulFertser> usr: you're hilarious
May 11 18:31:58 <Ainulindale> Because it's not based on the same things at all.
May 11 18:32:19 <Ainulindale> It's metaphorically comparable to trying to peel an apple with a rusted chainsaw
May 11 18:32:28 <usr> i thought it's an illume theme
May 11 18:33:11 <ptitjes> mrmoku: humm... as I see it just libmodulo and ophonekitd are missing
May 11 18:33:41 <Deubeuliou> hi
May 11 18:33:54 <mrmoku> ptitjes: ok
May 11 18:34:14 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: btw. mickeyl said that INHERIT += "packaged-staging"
May 11 18:34:18 <mrmoku> is not optimal
May 11 18:34:33 <Ainulindale> That is?
May 11 18:34:54 <mrmoku> don't know what it exactly is... but it seems to brake the vala-native thing for example
May 11 18:35:08 <mrmoku> break even
May 11 18:35:18 <Ainulindale> well unfortunately I can't say
May 11 18:35:24 <Ainulindale> And I don't even have time to check now
May 11 18:35:35 <Ainulindale> Tomorrow, launch meeting for the project
May 11 18:35:40 <mrmoku> yeah... will play with it while doing shr.conf
May 11 18:35:56 <Ainulindale> Plus I have a headache and my GSM is dying slowly
May 11 18:36:04 <Ainulindale> veeeery veeeeeeeery slowly
May 11 18:36:06 <usr> lol you have to reboot shr once a day for gsm-networking
May 11 18:36:13 <Ainulindale> No.
May 11 18:36:14 <mrmoku> nah...
May 11 18:36:27 <Ainulindale> This is utterly wrong.
May 11 18:36:36 <mrmoku> usr: how would you be even able to tell that... did you finished flashing?
May 11 18:36:43 <mrmoku> s/finished/finish/
May 11 18:36:45 <bzzbot> mrmoku meant: usr: how would you be even able to tell that... did you finish flashing?
May 11 18:36:55 <Ainulindale> "You can't change pants for a week with SHR!"
May 11 18:36:56 <usr> it's written...
May 11 18:37:04 <usr> on om.wiki
May 11 18:37:09 <mrmoku> lot of stuff is written... and utterly wrong
May 11 18:37:17 <Ainulindale> usr: check the date. Check the author. Check the pertinence of the author.
May 11 18:37:24 * Deubeuliou proposes usr as Troll-Of-The-Month Trophee
May 11 18:37:26 <Ainulindale> Is it an argument of authority? Or just a false one?
May 11 18:39:32 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: my wife is complaining though.... my pants... start to stink :P
May 11 18:39:45 <Ainulindale> heh :-)
May 11 18:39:50 <ptitjes> mickey|zzZZzz: it seems that even make of specs.git fail with your addition of org.freesmartphone.xml
May 11 18:39:50 <Ainulindale> Damn it's a french guy who wrote this
May 11 18:39:58 <ptitjes> mickey|zzZZzz: I can't even regen libfso-glib
May 11 18:40:28 <ptitjes> mickey|zzZZzz: arf there is some py code called from the make file :§
May 11 18:40:30 <max_posedon> What is shr ophonekitd(vala) status?
May 11 18:40:39 <ptitjes> max_posedon: hello
May 11 18:40:45 <max_posedon> ptitjes, hi!
May 11 18:40:53 <ptitjes> max_posedon: it is waiting to be packaged and some minor modifications
May 11 18:41:04 <ptitjes> max_posedon: and to be tested :)
May 11 18:41:23 <usr> does it boot as fast as om2008.12 does?
May 11 18:41:30 <Ainulindale> And Usage.
May 11 18:41:38 <max_posedon> could you notify me, when it will be packaged? I'll try prepare ebuild, and may be somebody will test it
May 11 18:41:54 <max_posedon> ptitjes, also, could you say few words about deps
May 11 18:42:48 <ptitjes> max_posedon: sure we'll do a message on the MLs because we really need some help to test/adjust it
May 11 18:43:14 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer, PaulFertser : wrong image format according to uboot
May 11 18:43:16 <dos1|away> usr: try, look, search... it shouldn't make pain, trust me ;p
May 11 18:43:56 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: the instructions are complete and correct
May 11 18:44:09 <Ainulindale> Well, I suppose the network copy failed somehow
May 11 18:44:18 <ptitjes> max_posedon: here are the runtime deps that holds from current ophonekitd version: libframeworkd-phonegui, sqlite, dbus
May 11 18:44:47 <dos1|neo> usr: something like 1 min 30 sec to start Illume (Qi, shr-splash)
May 11 18:44:58 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: Disk /dev/mmcblk0 doesn't contain a valid partition table
May 11 18:45:02 <DocScrutinizer> if it would have failed, tar wouldn't extract
May 11 18:45:05 <max_posedon> and fso-glib-1.0
May 11 18:45:06 <Ainulindale> I guess I'll try again at home.
May 11 18:45:09 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: local network copy
May 11 18:45:39 <DocScrutinizer> huh?
May 11 18:45:54 <Sharwin_F> does anyone have any script to search on the SIM for a contct name by phone number? :D
May 11 18:45:56 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: well from my host to the freerunner
May 11 18:45:57 <DocScrutinizer> you told you're going to copy the tarball
May 11 18:46:00 <Ainulindale> n o
May 11 18:46:01 <Ainulindale> no
May 11 18:46:11 <max_posedon> ptitjes, will libfso-glib be packaged also? I hope yes)
May 11 18:46:25 <Blu3> sharwin, no, but it'd be pretty easy
May 11 18:46:34 <ptitjes> max_posedon: the runtime deps that are replaced: libfso-glib (replaces libframeworkd-glib)
May 11 18:46:53 <ptitjes> max_posedon: sorry I'm holding many discussion at the same time :)
May 11 18:47:18 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: you couldn't even copy the expanded uSD image as it's 290MB sth. you only could copy to mmcblk directly
May 11 18:47:30 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: and that's what I did. And that's what failed
May 11 18:47:31 <ptitjes> max_posedon: sure libfso-glib is the new way to do things (even for C apps)
May 11 18:47:38 <max_posedon> ok, np, just one more questions. Where vala-dbus-binding-tool comes from?
May 11 18:48:05 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: that's why I suppose that's because the network copy failed
May 11 18:48:05 <usr> dos1|neo: and is vagalume still broken?
May 11 18:48:21 <ptitjes> max_posedon: finally, the deps that are added compared to previous version: gobject-introspection (both runtime and compile time)
May 11 18:48:36 <ptitjes> max_posedon: and obviously I forgot glib
May 11 18:48:44 <Sharwin_F> Blu3, it's preatty easy if you know frameworkd and python, but I know none of them atm :P
May 11 18:48:59 <mrmoku> Sharwin_F: update... current unstable has names in the list :D
May 11 18:49:02 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, it's tricky to do phy dd like copy wit cat over a pipe I guess
May 11 18:49:05 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: Anyway, leaving for home, will keep you in touch about the process when I'll get there, hoping I'll be able to copy this image in less than an hour :-)
May 11 18:49:27 <Sharwin_F> mrmoku, in sms list you meaN'
May 11 18:49:31 <mrmoku> yeah
May 11 18:49:34 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: plus on windows...
May 11 18:49:34 <Sharwin_F> hmm good!
May 11 18:49:35 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: you should get a cardreader ;-)
May 11 18:49:40 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: I should
May 11 18:49:57 <Ainulindale> but I'm too lazy for that
May 11 18:50:01 <Ainulindale> anyway, I'm away now
May 11 18:50:16 <ptitjes> max_posedon: vala-dbus-binding-tool is one of my baby tools. it is there: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=vala-dbus-binding-tool.git;a=summary
May 11 18:50:22 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: I did get a nice usb-to-SD thingie when buying my uSD card... was included in the package
May 11 18:50:35 <ptitjes> max_posedon: err was it the question you asked, or maybe I did not understand ?
May 11 18:50:52 <Blu3> sharwin, a few dbus calls and an array and you're good to go
May 11 18:51:11 <max_posedon> ptitjes, yes, it was thanks for answer, I'll touch you later, if I'll have new questions/problems
May 11 18:51:22 <Blu3> if you're doing it in bash, it's fairly simple.  use mdbus to fetch your contact book and your sms message book
May 11 18:51:29 <Blu3> then iterate over them as you wish
May 11 18:51:37 <mrmoku> ptitjes: ok, now I remember... libtool is too old for gobject-introspection
May 11 18:51:42 <ptitjes> max_posedon: np, you are welcome
May 11 18:51:55 <Deubeuliou> I'm looking for someone who has successfully bitbaked va a sources that are using libfso-glib ...
May 11 18:52:04 <dos1|neo> usr: i don't know, as last.fm is broken now ;p
May 11 18:52:09 <ptitjes> mrmoku: so where do we go now ? is it possible to update the whole stuff to libtool 2.2 ?
May 11 18:52:12 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: thats what I suggested (usd thingy)
May 11 18:52:27 <Deubeuliou> libfso-glib compiles well but do not install the freesmartphone.h file in the work tree ...
May 11 18:52:31 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: couldn't live without it :P
May 11 18:52:41 <DocScrutinizer> yup
May 11 18:52:44 <Blu3> sharwin, do you know how to fetch the books?
May 11 18:52:56 <mrmoku> ptitjes: what to take care of while updating libtool?
May 11 18:53:14 <Sharwin_F> Blu3, by programming/scripting? nopes
May 11 18:53:24 <Sharwin_F> Hope I've time to look at it on summer
May 11 18:53:36 <Sharwin_F> but not at the moment, neither used python ever
May 11 18:53:40 <Blu3> dbus inside python and w/ mdbus isn't all that different and you can figure it out
May 11 18:53:41 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: did you look in /usr/lib/fso-glib/ ?
May 11 18:53:44 <Blu3> i'm not a python person either
May 11 18:53:54 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: sorry /usr/include/fso-glib/ ?
May 11 18:54:29 <ptitjes> mrmoku: the last time you tried to update libtool, you ended up with things that don't build, are you sure you can solve it ?
May 11 18:54:30 <Deubeuliou> ptitjes: what do you mean, in my own tree ? I have no problem with that
May 11 18:54:44 <Sharwin_F> mrmoku, upgrading from feeds:
May 11 18:54:44 <Sharwin_F> Collected errors:
May 11 18:54:44 <Sharwin_F>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for frameworkd-config-shr-dev:
May 11 18:54:44 <Sharwin_F> 	 *  frameworkd-config-shr (= 0.8.5.1+gitr1365+668dde7d810425fefc3c885ef4f7f2eb5034f698-21+99525cd5cd631a9b3e66381fcbda43a271163b3a-r5) * 
May 11 18:55:07 <Deubeuliou> the problem is that "find shr-unstable -name "freesmartphone.h" only returns two lines:
May 11 18:55:12 <Deubeuliou> ./tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libfso-glib-0.0.1-gitrLOCAL-r0/image/usr/local/include/fso-glib/freesmartphone.h
May 11 18:55:15 <Deubeuliou> ./tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libfso-glib-0.0.1-gitrLOCAL-r0/libfso-glib/src/freesmartphone.h
May 11 18:55:49 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: sorry I don't understand you, http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=libfso-glib.git;a=blob;f=src/Makefile.am;hb=HEAD#l27 says deliver freesmartphone.h to /usr/include/fso-glib
May 11 18:55:50 <mrmoku> ptitjes: no :P
May 11 18:56:01 * DocScrutinizer is starting to hate git-tags
May 11 18:56:05 <usr> i can't ssh lol
May 11 18:56:24 <dos1|neo> usr: lol ;p
May 11 18:56:28 <dos1|neo> fist boot?
May 11 18:56:34 <Blu3> ^_^
May 11 18:56:38 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: ok obviously the bb recipe do not give the correct --prefix to ./configure
May 11 18:56:40 <Deubeuliou> ptitjes: yes. but currently, I don't want to build it with make. I works very well. this is an OE thing...
May 11 18:56:40 <usr> second
May 11 18:56:45 <Blu3> sharwin, mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.ListP
May 11 18:56:45 <Blu3> honebooks
May 11 18:57:06 <Deubeuliou> indeed, there is no custom ./configure
May 11 18:57:12 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: this one is the good one no ? ./tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libfso-glib-0.0.1-gitrLOCAL-r0/image/usr/local/include/fso-glib/freesmartphone.h
May 11 18:57:17 <dos1|neo> usr: make sure it isn't problem on your host ;p
May 11 18:57:20 <Sharwin_F> Blu3, thanks :)
May 11 18:57:39 <Blu3> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrievePhonebook 'contacts'
May 11 18:57:41 <max_posedon> ptitjes, btw, have you success with cross compiling gobject-introscpection?
May 11 18:57:42 <usr> i was able to ssh to om2008.12
May 11 18:57:46 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: except that there is "/usr/local" instead of "/usr" ...
May 11 18:58:05 <ptitjes> max_posedon: I did not try it
May 11 18:58:14 <Sharwin_F> Blu3, btw, never worked with dbus neither, so I've a lot to learn about :P
May 11 18:58:17 <Blu3> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook 'all'
May 11 18:58:25 <Blu3> me too
May 11 18:58:25 <max_posedon> hm... so how ophonekitd can require it?
May 11 18:58:30 <ptitjes> max_posedon: mrmoku is trying to integrate it in OE, but he has too-old-version-of -libtool problem
May 11 18:58:59 <ptitjes> max_posedon: I mean, I never run ophonekitd on the phone yet
May 11 18:59:03 <max_posedon> ok, I hope I'll not have this issue...
May 11 18:59:11 <max_posedon> nice!)
May 11 18:59:25 <Sharwin_F> Blu3, is ther esome easy way to explore/learn about all the options/parameters?
May 11 18:59:46 <onen> dent: ping
May 11 18:59:52 <onen> ptitjes: hi
May 11 18:59:53 <ptitjes> max_posedon: I would have like it, but most of my OE attempts were bullshit
May 11 18:59:56 <dos1|neo> usr: om2008.12 had different, wrong way for usb networking
May 11 19:00:01 <Blu3> sharwin, you mean all the methods?
May 11 19:00:01 <ptitjes> onen: hello
May 11 19:00:09 <onen> ptitjes: 2 questions for you
May 11 19:00:22 <dos1|neo> usr: your neo is ethX now (most likely eth1)
May 11 19:00:24 <Blu3> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd to start with.  that gives you the path for gsm stuff
May 11 19:00:42 <onen> ptitjes: 1. when do we start settling the car-sharing for FSOSHRUDCON? (I know, I ask all the time :-P )
May 11 19:00:53 <Blu3> then you'll see Device in there, that's the interesting one.  issue mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
May 11 19:01:00 <dos1|neo> usr: do you know what RTM mean? ;)
May 11 19:01:02 <usr> dos1|neo: i will try after the third bootup
May 11 19:01:05 <Blu3> and you'll see all of the methods and signals available for that path
May 11 19:01:05 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: where do you expect that .h file to be copied other than that location ?
May 11 19:01:25 <ptitjes> onen: could you start a mail about that on the ML please ?
May 11 19:01:30 <usr> tell RTM
May 11 19:01:31 <onen> ptitjes: 2. you got a new laptop lately. may I ask what size is the screen, I am currently hesitating taking one under 15 inches, but I am wondering if this is really better to have let's say 13 inches
May 11 19:01:32 <ptitjes> onen: that would be very kind
May 11 19:01:37 <usr> never heard before 
May 11 19:01:42 <onen> ptitjes: email or wiki?
May 11 19:01:55 <ptitjes> onen: I'm sorry, I see the time shrinking shrinking day by day and it seems I can't manage all of that
May 11 19:02:01 <ptitjes> onen: both :) ?
May 11 19:02:14 <Sharwin_F> Blu3, is there any documentation? (in git repo maybe?)
May 11 19:02:22 <Blu3> 1sec
May 11 19:02:30 <ptitjes> onen: wow I am using a 17"
May 11 19:02:37 <dos1|neo> usr: or even RTFM
May 11 19:02:44 <onen> ptitjes: this is no pb for me to take care of this. Only, I want to be sure we car-share, because otherwise I would have taken tickets much earlier :-)
May 11 19:02:55 <dos1|neo> Read The F****** Manual
May 11 19:03:01 <onen> ptitjes: I see. but this then transportable, not portable ;-)
May 11 19:03:12 <ptitjes> onen: sure we car-share, else I can't afford the travel
May 11 19:03:14 <ptitjes> :)
May 11 19:03:23 <dos1|neo> usr: everything you ask is described somewhere
May 11 19:03:30 <Blu3> sharwin, visit http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/index.html;hb=HEAD
May 11 19:03:34 <ptitjes> onen: hummm.. it depends of the brand... that one is very portable
May 11 19:03:37 <usr> sometimes...
May 11 19:03:38 <ptitjes> :)
May 11 19:03:39 <Deubeuliou> ptitjes: wais a second
May 11 19:03:50 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: oki
May 11 19:03:55 <ptitjes> I don't move ;)
May 11 19:03:57 <onen> ptitjes: sure, your brand make expensive but very good hardware
May 11 19:04:21 <ptitjes> onen: finally someone with taste here :)
May 11 19:04:27 <Deubeuliou> I think it is expected to be here: /home/deubeuliou/dev/openmoko/shr-unstable/tmp/staging/armv4t-angstrom-linux
May 11 19:04:34 <Deubeuliou> -gnueabi/usr/include
May 11 19:04:40 <Sharwin_F> Blu3, have to go now, thanks, I'll check it later :)
May 11 19:04:43 <Sharwin_F> away
May 11 19:04:44 <onen> ptitjes: and super phone, have to buy one ;-)
May 11 19:04:46 <Sharwin_F> ops
May 11 19:04:47 <Blu3> ciao
May 11 19:04:48 <Blu3> y/w
May 11 19:05:04 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: ahh, this would mean it is not staged ? (mrmoku ??)
May 11 19:05:21 <ptitjes> onen: arrrgh beware of your privacy!!!
May 11 19:05:40 <Deubeuliou> but there is a NOTE: Running task 407 of 409 (ID: 11, /home/deubeuliou/dev/openmoko/shr-unstable/shr/openembedded/recipes/libfso-glib/libfso-glib_git.bb, do_package_stage)
May 11 19:05:56 <ptitjes> onen: except if you can install SHR on it (then I may follow you :) )
May 11 19:05:58 <onen> ptitjes: what privacy, they take good care of me. Even they remove apps that are no good for me ;-)
May 11 19:06:09 <ptitjes> héhéhéhé LOL
May 11 19:06:19 <onen> ptitjes: ok I will start the car-sharing thing. bbl
May 11 19:06:21 <mrmoku> Deubeuliou, ptitjes: struggling with libtool right now... can't test
May 11 19:06:46 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: the last time I looked at OE, I found that the package stage is the only one that is not loged in a file :(
May 11 19:07:16 <ptitjes> mrmoku: np. just do you see any reason a package would not be staged ?
May 11 19:07:21 <Deubeuliou> ow, ok :/
May 11 19:07:28 <Deubeuliou> it used to work, though ...
May 11 19:07:54 <mrmoku> ptitjes: hmm... a failed build?
May 11 19:07:55 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: through OE ? and you did not tell me ??? :)
May 11 19:08:05 <ptitjes> that would have been good news for me
May 11 19:08:14 <ptitjes> I feel kinda alone in my workd
May 11 19:08:19 <ptitjes> -k+l
May 11 19:08:23 <Blu3> we should get openvpn 2.1rc in a pkg
May 11 19:08:47 <Deubeuliou> ptitjes: no, actually it failed somewhere else
May 11 19:09:06 <Deubeuliou> but I managed to get libfso-glib correctly bitbaked, once
May 11 19:09:11 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: could you look at the content of all of the log file for the libfso recipe ?
May 11 19:09:26 <Deubeuliou> ok
May 11 19:09:35 <usr> the connection dropped a few times...
May 11 19:13:31 <pabs3> anyone know what this oFono thing is?
May 11 19:16:06 <mrmoku> ptitjes: ok... changing preferred-om-versions from 2007 to 2008 might work... building now
May 11 19:16:25 <Deubeuliou> ptitjes: what do you want me to look for exactly ?
May 11 19:16:42 <ptitjes> mrmoku: :)
May 11 19:17:01 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: any error that could have made staging failing too
May 11 19:18:41 <Deubeuliou> ptitjes: there is no error at all
May 11 19:18:52 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: arf
May 11 19:19:05 <Deubeuliou> I mean, bitbake doesn't complains
May 11 19:19:06 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: build succeeded
May 11 19:19:08 <ptitjes> so ?
May 11 19:19:19 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: in any log file ?
May 11 19:21:48 <Deubeuliou> ptitjes: nothing, as far as I can tell
May 11 19:21:57 <ptitjes> arf
May 11 19:22:10 <ptitjes> I'm sorry this means I cant help you :(
May 11 19:22:29 <ptitjes> an error would have been easy to correct, but...
May 11 19:22:44 <Deubeuliou> oh... they are empty
May 11 19:22:50 <Deubeuliou> I was only grepping them
May 11 19:22:55 <Deubeuliou> wait, one more time ...
May 11 19:24:41 <mrmoku> ptitjes: it is rebuilding lots of stuff... from glibc to glib ...
May 11 19:25:04 <ptitjes> mrmoku: is it a problem ?
May 11 19:25:45 <mrmoku> ptitjes: will tell you when it finished :P
May 11 19:25:58 <mrmoku> might be a good thing as well
May 11 19:26:00 <ptitjes> mrmoku: this will go in unstable, when current unstable goes to stable right ?
May 11 19:26:41 <mrmoku> think so... guess we will do one more testing with what unstable is now... and then horribly break unstable with your vala stuff ;)
May 11 19:27:40 <ptitjes> yeah!!! yihuu! (*** /me rinding the wild horse***)
May 11 19:27:45 <ptitjes> :)
May 11 19:28:01 * mrmoku hopes ptitjes won't fall :P
May 11 19:28:21 <ptitjes> mrmoku: don't you want to try rodeo ;)
May 11 19:28:35 <mrmoku> nah...
May 11 19:28:40 * mrmoku prefers to play soccer
May 11 19:28:43 <ptitjes> mrmoku: ophonekitd is logged as hell
May 11 19:29:31 <ptitjes> mrmoku: I am quite sure (may even bet) we won't have any seg. fault with it
May 11 19:29:32 <mrmoku> hmm... was too easy... glibc failed :(
May 11 19:29:35 <Deubeuliou> ptitjes: oh, in deed, a task fails silently:
May 11 19:29:40 <ptitjes> mrmoku: but a lot of log messages
May 11 19:29:46 <Deubeuliou> file /home/deubeuliou/dev/openmoko/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libfso-glib-0.0.1-gitrLOCAL-r0/image/usr/local/lib/libfso-glib.so.0.0.0 is an Intel file, not an ARM
May 11 19:30:11 <ptitjes> oh oh oh 
May 11 19:30:24 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: the recipe might build for native, does it ?
May 11 19:31:22 <Deubeuliou> http://pastebin.com/d67772972
May 11 19:31:28 <Deubeuliou> I added the oe_runmake
May 11 19:31:46 <ptitjes> mrmoku: (curiosity) isn't there a preferred-om2009 versions ? what does fso/m5.5 builds upon ?
May 11 19:31:55 <Deubeuliou> SRC_URI and S are specified in local-build.conf
May 11 19:32:05 <Deubeuliou> s/build/builds/
May 11 19:32:05 <bzzbot> Deubeuliou meant: SRC_URI and S are specified in local-builds.conf
May 11 19:32:37 <ptitjes> err, isn't there an AUTHORS variable ?
May 11 19:32:46 <ptitjes> sorry this is offtopic
May 11 19:33:10 <Deubeuliou> AUTHOR = "Didier 'Ptitjes"
May 11 19:33:16 <Deubeuliou> second line
May 11 19:33:39 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: when you specify the SRC_URI in your local-builds.conf you can let it defined in the recipe, can't you ? this is override ?
May 11 19:33:52 <Deubeuliou> I don't know, I'm not sure
May 11 19:33:55 <Deubeuliou> probably
May 11 19:34:07 <mrmoku> ptitjes: fso/m5.5 uses the same old stuff as we do
May 11 19:34:13 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: I mean isn't there an AUTHORS variable to replace that, and add community ?
May 11 19:34:23 <ptitjes> mrmoku: wow
May 11 19:34:33 <mrmoku> there is no om2009... om is always a bit late ;)
May 11 19:34:42 <ptitjes> mrmoku: did any of the fso crews tried to build with more recent stuff ?
May 11 19:34:46 <Deubeuliou> mmmh maybe. I don't know OE very well ...
May 11 19:35:12 <mrmoku> err... org.openembedded.dev has om2009... sorry om
May 11 19:35:38 <usr> can i receive calls on shr when the phone is in suspend? 
May 11 19:35:39 <ptitjes> also you should let S be defined in the recipe I think, but I'm a complete OE ignorant so...
May 11 19:37:14 <dos1|neo> usr: no, noone needs that feature ;p
May 11 19:37:34 <dos1|neo> usr: (it was sarcasm of course)
May 11 19:37:44 <mirko-paroli> thx mrmoku ;)
May 11 19:37:55 <mrmoku> mirko-paroli: ?
May 11 19:38:04 <mirko-paroli> mrmoku: for the sry ;)
May 11 19:38:08 <mrmoku> ahh :)
May 11 19:38:23 <mirko-paroli> mrmoku: I know I was a little late, took me a while to read it ;)
May 11 19:38:56 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: I'm lauching OE on my side too to try to reproduce what you have
May 11 19:39:10 <Deubeuliou> ptitjes: the compilation uses /usr/local/bin/valac :/
May 11 19:39:11 <mrmoku> mirko-paroli: I'm struggling with libtool/autotools... to get something that works with some packages we want
May 11 19:39:43 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: wow
May 11 19:40:04 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: heh looking at the recipe there is no depends defined in it
May 11 19:41:44 <Deubeuliou> what is due to be compiled ? vala-native ?
May 11 19:42:04 <Deubeuliou> is seems to install files in the i686 staging directory ...
May 11 19:42:11 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: yep, but also vala-dbus-binding-tool
May 11 19:42:34 <Deubeuliou> I don't understand how bitbake decides whether to compile for i686 or armv4t .....
May 11 19:43:04 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: mrmoku could told you that I think
May 11 19:43:16 <ptitjes> I did not read all the oe book
May 11 19:45:06 <mrmoku> it should build for native only when the recipe inherits native, no?
May 11 19:45:32 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: oh as for the runtime depends I remember that OE is using the make-installed fso-glib.pc file. It uses the libs defined in the pc file to find the packages that the package depends on
May 11 19:45:41 <Deubeuliou> mmh why is vaal-native called so ?
May 11 19:47:09 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: in fact vala-native is the vala compiler used to compile vala files for target armv4tl-blabla-bla
May 11 19:48:31 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: IIRC 'native' in OE means build to run on build host
May 11 19:49:26 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: and we won't compile vala files on the phone for now :)
May 11 19:49:48 <ptitjes> so no vala.bb now :)
May 11 19:52:02 <dent> Onen_away: pong (too late I see)
May 11 19:53:07 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: also as valac produces C files, it is not necessary to set --target= in valac's configure (a contrario, gcc-native.bb's gcc is built with --target=armv4tl-...)
May 11 19:53:28 <Deubeuliou> mmmh
May 11 19:53:55 <Deubeuliou> well ... I'll try to build vala-dbus-binding-tool (I was sure I already did it ...)
May 11 19:54:47 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: but vala-dbus-binding-tool should be in the depends because that tool should be present when doing the build
May 11 19:56:39 <Deubeuliou> I lost all my OE tree yesterday ...
May 11 19:57:01 <Deubeuliou> I was trying to update it and it diseappered
May 11 19:57:05 <Deubeuliou> but it was broken, though
May 11 19:58:18 <ptitjes> oups
May 11 19:59:32 <Deubeuliou> Didier, you have a recipe for vala-dbus-binding-tool ? I copied one from another recipe, but I'm note sure if it's very clean
May 11 20:06:33 <mrmoku> Deubeuliou: it is in OE
May 11 20:06:44 <mrmoku> just bitbake vala-dbus-binding-tool-native
May 11 20:07:00 <Deubeuliou> ah, -native ? ok
May 11 20:07:25 <mrmoku> yep :)
May 11 20:07:41 <Ainulindale> My head is going to explooooooode.
May 11 20:09:42 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer? PaulFertser?
May 11 20:10:00 <Ainulindale> It may sound stupid but I need a partition on my µSD if I try to do the nc/cat thing right?
May 11 20:10:22 <Ainulindale> (apparently no)
May 11 20:10:26 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: no, the image already includes the MBR
May 11 20:10:28 <Ainulindale> (but I still want to know)
May 11 20:10:49 <Ainulindale> My brain is trying to cope with shiny blue lights so please forgive me my stupidity tonight
May 11 20:10:57 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: that's done for the sake of booting with NOR, so a small first partition with kernel is needed.
May 11 20:11:46 <Ainulindale> Would you be able to translate that in zombie "BRAAAAIIINS" for me?
May 11 20:12:31 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: you have the image that should be byte-to-byte written to the card, from the beginning, overwriting the original partition table.
May 11 20:12:41 <Ainulindale> Ok that sounds simpler
May 11 20:12:45 <Ainulindale> The shiny blue lights agree
May 11 20:12:54 <Ainulindale> (damn it's faster here)
May 11 20:16:21 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: please follow the readme instructions. please notice the passage about physical device uSD, *not* partition
May 11 20:16:34 <Ainulindale> Yeah I reread that but my brain is on hold
May 11 20:16:43 <Ainulindale> So quick Q&A is better than borking anything if I'm not that sure
May 11 20:16:53 <Ainulindale> Something weird here though which might be of interest to mwester 
May 11 20:16:59 <Ainulindale> my network speed is going back and forth
May 11 20:17:06 <Ainulindale> oscillating, according to gkrellm
May 11 20:17:13 <Ainulindale> Is that expectable?
May 11 20:20:25 <Deubeuliou> ptitjes: vala-dbus-binding-tool-native doesn't compile (valac error)
May 11 20:20:32 <Deubeuliou> vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala:170.19-170.40: error: No arguments allowed when constructing type `GLib.Dir' GLib.Dir dir = new GLib.Dir(api_path);
May 11 20:20:44 <Ainulindale> wrong vala version?
May 11 20:20:52 <mrmoku> hehe... Ainulindale was faster ;)
May 11 20:21:02 <Ainulindale> with half a brain!
May 11 20:21:31 <Ainulindale> that is to say a quarter of my usual brain cel
May 11 20:21:32 <Ainulindale> +l
May 11 20:22:08 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: grrrr... :) two seconds
May 11 20:22:12 <ptitjes> I fix this
May 11 20:22:13 <Deubeuliou> ok :D
May 11 20:22:51 <ptitjes> this is the result of a dangling commit in our vala repo which we removed
May 11 20:23:08 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: booting
May 11 20:23:44 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: what if it doesn't work? Should I slap you?
May 11 20:23:52 <DocScrutinizer> shout "strike" when blue writing appears
May 11 20:24:14 <Ainulindale> Spare!
May 11 20:24:41 <Ainulindale> writing it seems
May 11 20:24:59 <Ainulindale> I should buy a sd card reader it'd be easier on me
May 11 20:25:08 <DocScrutinizer> U owe me another beer as soon as green writing appears
May 11 20:25:18 <Ainulindale> failed to resubmit
May 11 20:25:32 <Ainulindale> (hahaha, it's bluetooth :-p)
May 11 20:25:51 <McKael> Hi,
May 11 20:26:24 <McKael> I'm trying to build SHR as described in http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building SHR
May 11 20:26:51 <Ainulindale> Still in blue DocScrutinizer 
May 11 20:27:00 <DocScrutinizer> rtfm
May 11 20:27:08 <McKael> and I'm stuck on libtool-native (do_unpack: failed)
May 11 20:27:17 <Ainulindale> yeah I know 2 minutes & such, just keeping you up to date
May 11 20:27:28 <usr> i found links-x11 in the angstrom repository,...
May 11 20:27:41 <Ainulindale> green
May 11 20:27:49 <mrmoku> another beer then ;)
May 11 20:28:13 <mrmoku> McKael: that is strange...
May 11 20:28:36 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: now ssh to the phone without booting
May 11 20:28:37 <McKael> yes it is, mrmoku 
May 11 20:28:57 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: battery fell...
May 11 20:28:57 <mrmoku> McKael: disk full? :P
May 11 20:29:07 <PaulFertser> McKael: cheer up, building OE is quite hard sometimes :)
May 11 20:29:13 <McKael> mrmoku: that was my first check...
May 11 20:29:32 <McKael> PaulFertser: I've given up every time, actually
May 11 20:29:34 <mrmoku> McKael: can you pastebin the failing log?
May 11 20:29:43 <McKael> mrmoku: yes
May 11 20:30:55 <McKael> http://pastebin.com/m1f1bedbb
May 11 20:31:21 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: pin dialog. All is good.
May 11 20:31:39 <DocScrutinizer> beeeer :-D
May 11 20:31:56 <PaulFertser> McKael: i'd try to re-download libtool-native
May 11 20:31:57 <mrmoku> McKael: looks like broken download... try to remove /data/omshr/downloads/libtool-1.5.10.tar.gz and try again
May 11 20:32:03 <Ainulindale> Forgive me to have ever doubted you, O master!
May 11 20:32:10 <DocScrutinizer> nah, you owe me a SHR opkg
May 11 20:32:14 <McKael> mrmoku: the md5 is good, I checked it,
May 11 20:32:17 <Ainulindale> (although I don't know why it didn't work before)
May 11 20:32:25 <McKael> mrmoku: but I can delete it
May 11 20:32:57 <McKael> mrmoku: btw I can uncompress it manually w/o error
May 11 20:33:08 <mrmoku> McKael: hmm...
May 11 20:33:09 <Ainulindale> oooh nice SMS contact cache
May 11 20:33:17 <Ainulindale> mrmoku worked well I see
May 11 20:33:21 <McKael> I was under the impression  that was bitbake's test which was failing
May 11 20:33:51 <McKael> How does it check the archive has been correctly uncompressed?
May 11 20:33:59 <PaulFertser> McKael: bitbake has some method to do everything verbosely...
May 11 20:34:02 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: you might have a look to uSD /home/root
May 11 20:34:18 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: so, all in all, apart from beer which I would have paid you anyway, what are the good thing about this firmware?
May 11 20:34:24 <Ainulindale> +s
May 11 20:34:27 <DocScrutinizer> and to init.d/5/s99-flashgsm
May 11 20:34:40 <mrmoku> McKael: don't know for sure... I *think* it checks the md5sum and then just unpacks...
May 11 20:34:51 <mrmoku> its the tar/gzip that is bailing out
May 11 20:35:18 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: these are all the parts needed to build a package
May 11 20:35:25 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * rad50ea594709 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: 
May 11 20:35:25 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: Fix use of GLib.Dir
May 11 20:35:25 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 11 20:35:34 <McKael> mrmoku: so why?  it looks like it's correctly untarred, and the archive looks good
May 11 20:35:45 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: see changelog for fixed issues in moko11
May 11 20:35:52 <McKael> I'm running it again without the tarball
May 11 20:36:05 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: to me this type of thing should be done at reboot
May 11 20:36:16 <Ainulindale> it should create a XX rc.d script
May 11 20:36:21 <DocScrutinizer> yup, exactly
May 11 20:36:26 <Ainulindale> autoremovable
May 11 20:36:31 <DocScrutinizer> yup
May 11 20:36:34 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: can I reflash it now and then?
May 11 20:36:37 <mrmoku> McKael: is it untarred? you can check in tmp/work/i686-linux/libtool...
May 11 20:36:44 <mrmoku> do you find the source unpacked there?
May 11 20:36:45 <DocScrutinizer> exactly what I'd suggest
May 11 20:37:02 <McKael> mrmoku: yes it is
May 11 20:37:13 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: (reflash) as frequent as you like
May 11 20:37:33 <Ainulindale> Ok then I'll do that on my spare
May 11 20:37:53 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: Can we check at runtime if firmware = this or that?
May 11 20:38:06 <McKael> hm, current run is stuck at "NOTE: Preparing runqueue"
May 11 20:38:13 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: if you reflash same fw-version
May 11 20:38:15 <McKael> python using 100% cpu
May 11 20:38:21 <DocScrutinizer> it's detecting this
May 11 20:38:42 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: question was more: how can I be sure I'm flashing firmware > current ?
May 11 20:38:47 <usr> where do i get the libicu18n36 for ewww
May 11 20:38:55 <DocScrutinizer> and stops after 3min with green (0k, 0blocks)
May 11 20:39:14 <DocScrutinizer> you can't be sure
May 11 20:39:24 <DocScrutinizer> you can downgrade as well
May 11 20:39:44 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: this is fixed
May 11 20:39:49 <Ainulindale> hmmmmpf
May 11 20:39:50 <ptitjes> update
May 11 20:40:02 <Ainulindale> So I would like to autoremove the package after execution then
May 11 20:40:03 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: hmmmpf????
May 11 20:40:16 <usr> got it
May 11 20:40:19 <Ainulindale> I don't want to ship it as default
May 11 20:40:32 <Ainulindale> Oh let it go I'm thinking out loud
May 11 20:40:37 <Ainulindale> Lousily 
May 11 20:41:26 <mrmoku> ptitjes: got libtool-2.... to build
May 11 20:41:29 <McKael> Ainulindale: I joined in the middle of the discussion - are you flashing the FR with the uSD-card Image?
May 11 20:41:32 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: I suggest to temporarily change runlevel, and autoreset runlevel to standard in S99-flasggsm
May 11 20:41:37 <mrmoku> gobject-introspection-native configured now
May 11 20:41:40 <mrmoku> but does not build :(
May 11 20:41:43 <onen> dent: ping
May 11 20:41:49 <mrmoku> ImportError: No module named _ctypes
May 11 20:41:50 <ptitjes> mrmoku: ohhhh
May 11 20:41:51 <DocScrutinizer> McKael: yup
May 11 20:41:55 <mrmoku> depends on python-ctypes?
May 11 20:41:58 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: what I'd rather do is put it in Ssomething before framework
May 11 20:42:04 <Ainulindale> then S99 would opkg remove it
May 11 20:42:29 <ptitjes> mrmoku: oh yeah that may be
May 11 20:42:46 <Deubeuliou> ptitjes: retrying
May 11 20:43:08 <PaulFertser> McKael: not exactly FR, but GSM chipset inside.
May 11 20:43:27 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: I don't suggest to auto remove. you might want to switch back and forth between different moko?? versions
May 11 20:43:27 <McKael> PaulFertser: yeah that's what I meant of course ;)
May 11 20:43:31 <ptitjes> mrmoku: g-i is hell; it contains C libraries, C & python tools, ...
May 11 20:43:46 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: that's why I'd build different packages
May 11 20:43:50 <mrmoku> ptitjes: eeek
May 11 20:44:06 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: this is something so sensitive that I won't let it be alone by itself I'd say
May 11 20:44:12 <PaulFertser> McKael: i never tried that, i always aimed at improving manual wiki instructions instead :)
May 11 20:44:18 <McKael> PaulFertser: Is it working fine or are there some tips I missed?
May 11 20:44:35 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: i toldya I'll do a little fancy and provide all the files needed. you only need to build a package out of it
May 11 20:45:21 <PaulFertser> McKael: uSD image is working fine always. Manual instructions are working fine for me and some other folks :)
May 11 20:45:57 <McKael> PaulFertser: ok, thanks
May 11 20:46:20 <mrmoku> ptitjes: is that cython?
May 11 20:46:23 <TAsn> bah!
May 11 20:46:29 <TAsn> Ainulindale, just came back home, and it's late
May 11 20:46:37 <Ainulindale> TAsn?
May 11 20:46:37 <TAsn> I won't be able to contribute any code today ;]
May 11 20:46:51 <ptitjes> mrmoku: I don't know at all
May 11 20:46:53 <Ainulindale> Well I didn't think you would, you lazy piece of ass
May 11 20:46:58 <TAsn> ;]
May 11 20:47:21 <TAsn> went to the women soccer national cup finals (lol0
May 11 20:47:24 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i'm still puzzled at how could manual instructions fail despite fluid.exe showed full success for Ainulindale and moreover he couldn't begin flashing again. 
May 11 20:48:20 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: just got two messages from you, one being from yesterday
May 11 20:48:49 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: no idea
May 11 20:49:02 <DocScrutinizer> it's much about timing
May 11 20:49:10 <PaulFertser> It'd be interesting to see the output of the latest successful attempt...
May 11 20:49:29 <DocScrutinizer> you can't guarantee particular timing when flashing "by hand"
May 11 20:49:43 <PaulFertser> Timing of _what_?
May 11 20:49:55 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: of PEBKAC
May 11 20:50:01 <DocScrutinizer> starting modem, starting fluid
May 11 20:50:19 <Ainulindale> let it go, I suppose I just made a mistake somehow
May 11 20:50:44 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: that usually adds to confusion, yes
May 11 20:51:42 <Sharwin_F> mrmoku, hmm upgraded from the feeds and I don't have Contact name on sms list
May 11 20:51:48 <DocScrutinizer> as said before, manual way is proven-to-fail-on-noobs
May 11 20:52:01 <Ainulindale> Sharwin_F: this may just be badly initiated cache
May 11 20:52:08 <Ainulindale> by the way PaulFertser 
May 11 20:52:13 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, but youre noob wrt gsm-flashing
May 11 20:52:18 <Ainulindale> I noticed that if I launch contacts just after GSM registration
May 11 20:52:29 <Ainulindale> it only gets a limited amount of contacts
May 11 20:52:34 <Ainulindale> but outputs no error
May 11 20:52:36 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: Agreed
May 11 20:52:49 <McKael> mrmoku: sorry but... I do I ask bb to get that tar.gz file again?
May 11 20:52:51 <Sharwin_F> Ainulindale, which cache? do I've to try/do something?
May 11 20:52:53 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: that's ok, you're supposed to wait for the SIM full readiness event.
May 11 20:52:57 <Ainulindale> Sharwin_F: restart ophonekitd
May 11 20:53:18 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: So the framework is faulty there, then?
May 11 20:53:23 <Ainulindale> as it lets me do that
May 11 20:53:55 <Deubeuliou> ptitjes: vala-dbus-binding-tool-native compiled
May 11 20:54:12 <Deubeuliou> but I still get the same warning when compiling libfso-glib
May 11 20:54:14 <ptitjes> \O/
May 11 20:54:16 <Deubeuliou> /home/deubeuliou/dev/openmoko/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libfso-glib-0.0.1-gitrLOCAL-r0/image/usr/local/lib/libfso-glib.so.0.0.0
May 11 20:54:23 <Deubeuliou> this file is an Intel
May 11 20:55:01 <mwester> Ok, so here's the problem with the g_ether notification:  the usb driver doesn't ever notice that the cable was unplugged.
May 11 20:55:12 <mrmoku> McKael: bitbake -c clean libtool-native and rm the tarfile in downloads
May 11 20:55:34 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: probably yes, probably no. That depends on declared specs...
May 11 20:55:50 <PaulFertser> mwester: exactly
May 11 20:56:10 <McKael> mrmoku: ok
May 11 20:57:24 <Sharwin_F> Ainulindale, only numbers
May 11 20:57:28 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: probably rise this topic in a discussion with mickey|zzZZzz 
May 11 20:57:59 <Sharwin_F> Ainulindale, may it be because my Contacts doesn't have the country prefix?
May 11 20:58:14 <Sharwin_F> because they are showed in the list as +34here_phone_number
May 11 20:58:21 <McKael> NOTE: preferred version x.y.z of {vala-native,tiff} not available -- are these messages important?
May 11 20:58:23 <Sharwin_F> but I don't have the prefix on the contacts
May 11 20:58:30 <Ainulindale> Sharwin_F: I guess so.
May 11 20:58:43 <mrmoku> Sharwin_F: must match exactly :(
May 11 20:58:49 <mrmoku> (for now)
May 11 20:59:07 <Sharwin_F> mrmoku, ok, but it should be worked to apply the prefix in the future I hope :)
May 11 20:59:45 <DocScrutinizer> Sharwin_F: Ainulindale: we had this normalized-intäl-numbers topic some time ago
May 11 20:59:52 <tmzt> mwester: I guess the usb client can't know that itself, it has to get a gpio or other notification from the transceiver?
May 11 21:00:02 <mrmoku> Sharwin_F: if opimd does not do that automatically... yeah of course
May 11 21:00:14 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: Oh? And?
May 11 21:00:19 <Sharwin_F> ok :) going to have dinner
May 11 21:00:21 <mrmoku> anybody knows what package contains _ctypes for python?
May 11 21:00:33 <DocScrutinizer> I thought you got my point back then
May 11 21:00:44 <Ainulindale> well I don't remember it
May 11 21:00:56 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #436 (No autosuspend/autodimming when not touching touchscreen.) created <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/436>
May 11 21:00:56 <mwester> tmzt:  dunno.  need to find the lowest level driver in the stack, and the hardware spec.
May 11 21:00:58 <DocScrutinizer> *sigh*
May 11 21:01:09 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: don't do your granpa :-)
May 11 21:01:34 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: you think it is not possible... hardwarewise?
May 11 21:01:57 <DocScrutinizer> you need three config values
May 11 21:02:27 <DocScrutinizer> national-prefix, international-prefix, and countrycode
May 11 21:02:28 <McKael> mrmoku: same "do_unpack failed" error
May 11 21:03:29 <usr> which is the proper command to activate the red-led within the dbus?
May 11 21:03:37 <DocScrutinizer> then apply 2 regex replacing national-prefix with "+countrycode,"
May 11 21:03:41 <mrmoku> McKael: you could check the md5sum with what is in OE
May 11 21:03:51 <Ainulindale> well DocScrutinizer we already have that apart from the regex
May 11 21:03:54 <mrmoku> shit... ctypes is part of python (subpackage)
May 11 21:04:01 <Ainulindale> Although I see no point to the "national prefix"
May 11 21:04:10 <Ainulindale> national prefix isn't supposed to be all but 00 / + ?
May 11 21:04:14 <DocScrutinizer> and replacing international-prefix with "+"
May 11 21:04:24 <usr> sth. like  mdbus -s .... i'm using shr
May 11 21:04:43 <McKael> mrmoku: as I told ealier, I checked the md5 and it was fine -- and the archive itself is fine as well :/
May 11 21:04:55 <DocScrutinizer> national-prefix is a user-config, usually "0"
May 11 21:04:55 <mrmoku> McKael: out of ideas then :(
May 11 21:04:58 * McKael tries to remove the work dir
May 11 21:05:04 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: not true
May 11 21:05:10 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: well I disagree here
May 11 21:05:18 <mrmoku> in italy handy numbers have *no* prefix number
May 11 21:05:19 <Ainulindale> What if I have two identical numbers from two different countries
May 11 21:05:20 <DocScrutinizer> huh??
May 11 21:05:23 <mrmoku> landline numbers have 0
May 11 21:05:25 <Ainulindale> And I happen to know both people
May 11 21:05:35 <Ainulindale> If I'm roaming it'll just be weird
May 11 21:05:38 <DocScrutinizer> wtf?
May 11 21:05:43 <plinder> @all hi, anyone that is used to the c dbus api on the fso image?
May 11 21:05:45 <Ainulindale> I have to define a "home" country
May 11 21:05:51 <Ainulindale> As a default for my contacts
May 11 21:05:59 <Ainulindale> (that is contacts with no +/00)
May 11 21:06:09 <Ainulindale> the international code is operator
May 11 21:06:13 <Ainulindale> (IIRC)
May 11 21:06:17 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: and for landline numbers the 0 must be kept... even when calling from abroad
May 11 21:06:29 <DocScrutinizer> aeerrr, sorry, this was countrycode
May 11 21:07:46 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: 09113456 -> +499113456 ; 00499113456 -> +499113456
May 11 21:08:20 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: this isn't systematic
May 11 21:08:29 <Ainulindale> (the 09 => +49 9)
May 11 21:08:32 <DocScrutinizer> 0:national-prefix, 00:intl-prefix, 49:CC
May 11 21:08:46 <Ainulindale> if I understand correctly what mrmoku was telling
May 11 21:08:51 <mrmoku> ptitjes: http://pastebin.com/m4c549d7b
May 11 21:08:51 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: huh why not?
May 11 21:09:08 <Ainulindale> no idea he was telling that :-)
May 11 21:09:38 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: for itally it would be 02349999 -> +3902349999
May 11 21:10:00 <mrmoku> italy of course ;)
May 11 21:10:19 <DocScrutinizer> so your CC is 390
May 11 21:10:22 <dos1> mrmoku: you will be happy
May 11 21:10:25 <TAsn> mrmoku, 
May 11 21:10:29 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: not so...
May 11 21:10:30 <TAsn> here land line number:
May 11 21:10:36 <TAsn> 036541234
May 11 21:10:40 <TAsn> when calling from abroad
May 11 21:10:41 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03dos 07framework * rbe1cb0b9c453 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py: opimd: SIM_Contacts_FSO: another try to fix Update() and Delete()
May 11 21:10:41 <TAsn> it's
May 11 21:10:49 <TAsn> +97236541234
May 11 21:10:49 <DocScrutinizer> and your carriers numbering scheme is crap
May 11 21:10:51 <mrmoku> for mobile numbers it would be: 33312345 --> +3933312345
May 11 21:10:56 <TAsn> i.e the 0 is dropped
May 11 21:11:09 <TAsn> same for cellular, we just drop the 0
May 11 21:11:19 <mrmoku> TAsn: we too... but not the italians
May 11 21:11:19 <Ainulindale> (same here)
May 11 21:11:26 <TAsn> oh
May 11 21:11:43 <dos1> mrmoku: it works for me
May 11 21:11:46 <dos1> ;)
May 11 21:11:52 <DocScrutinizer> italians are nuts
May 11 21:11:54 <mrmoku> dos1: fine... will test tomorrow
May 11 21:11:54 <TAsn> fuck the italians! ;] they don't need mokos they have good food, good wine and sexy girls.
May 11 21:11:59 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer: tell me ;)
May 11 21:12:14 <DocScrutinizer> hehe, I'l ask your wife
May 11 21:12:21 <mrmoku> :)
May 11 21:12:37 <TAsn> anyhow, this is driving me crazy (that's why I opened the bug) intl number handling must be solved.
May 11 21:12:56 <mrmoku> are incoming calls always in +xxxx format?
May 11 21:13:04 <mrmoku> or does that even differ between providers?
May 11 21:13:13 <Ainulindale> here it differs
May 11 21:13:24 <Ainulindale> my SMSes are always +
May 11 21:13:26 <TAsn> mrmoku, differs
May 11 21:13:30 <TAsn> sms are always +
May 11 21:13:31 <Ainulindale> my calls are sometimes + sometimes no
May 11 21:13:32 <TAsn> here as well
May 11 21:13:35 <mrmoku> phone number hell :(
May 11 21:13:41 <TAsn> calls are always without +
May 11 21:13:57 <mrmoku> m0nt0: you're crazy ;)
May 11 21:14:10 <m0nt0> ??
May 11 21:14:11 <TAsn> though calls from abroad have +
May 11 21:14:23 <mrmoku> m0nt0: discussing international phone number schemes...
May 11 21:14:27 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: my further argumentation back when was: we need to normalize each number before using it for anything, except for storing to conatcts, and dialing from numberpad or contacts
May 11 21:14:28 <mrmoku> and italian specialities
May 11 21:14:43 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, exactly.
May 11 21:15:00 <TAsn> though normalization should only add the correct prefix, not drop.
May 11 21:15:04 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: which boils down to "normalize prior to comapre"
May 11 21:15:21 <TAsn> I mean, if I have the numbers
May 11 21:15:27 <TAsn> +3 123
May 11 21:15:29 <m0nt0> so what about ita specialities?
May 11 21:15:31 <TAsn> and +4 123
May 11 21:15:42 <mrmoku> how do you normalize then... if sometimes you have to keep 0 and sometimes not
May 11 21:15:46 <TAsn> I want them to cound as different
May 11 21:15:59 <mrmoku> m0nt0: in italy mobile numbers are always without 0 and landline numbers always with 0
May 11 21:16:08 <mrmoku> even if you add the national 0039 prefix
May 11 21:16:15 <mrmoku> international..
May 11 21:16:20 <TAsn> mrmoku, screw the italians! ;]
May 11 21:16:35 <m0nt0> mrmoku, not only that, mobile i think always start wit 3
May 11 21:16:55 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: if there's no rule how to do it, it "does not compute"
May 11 21:17:01 <m0nt0> yeah, italians often do silly things
May 11 21:17:21 <mrmoku> different regexps for different countries then?
May 11 21:17:29 <TAsn> mrmoku, no.
May 11 21:17:31 <m0nt0> a phone number it's a phone number, you are talking about that for opimd?
May 11 21:17:37 <DocScrutinizer> anyway it seems italian CC is 390 for all we need to know
May 11 21:17:54 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, not on cell numbers
May 11 21:17:55 <mrmoku> m0nt0: about not having to add the correct prefixed full number in the phonebook...
May 11 21:18:06 <m0nt0> CC is +39 or 0039
May 11 21:18:06 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: the regex is a siple replace all tiöes
May 11 21:18:27 <TAsn> mrmoku, in case you weren't listening
May 11 21:18:28 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #436 (No autosuspend/autodimming when not touching touchscreen.) updated <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/436#comment:1>
May 11 21:18:33 <m0nt0> well about that is not so difficult i think
May 11 21:18:41 <DocScrutinizer> m0nt0: not for cellphone purposes as mentioned before
May 11 21:18:47 <TAsn> it should get the current prefix country from the framework
May 11 21:18:58 <TAsn> no wait, no good.
May 11 21:19:03 <mrmoku> :)
May 11 21:19:22 <McKael> PaulFertser: you told me I can ask bb to be verbose - is there a way to display the external commands it runs (e.g. tar/gzip)?
May 11 21:19:29 <mrmoku> good until your next trip to austria ;)
May 11 21:19:32 <TAsn> we need a way to know how to "add" the correct prefix before comparing
May 11 21:19:35 <McKael> PaulFertser: -D -D -D wasn't enough
May 11 21:19:42 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: pleeeease NOOO
May 11 21:19:59 <TAsn> mrmoku, duh, I meant for adding ones that don't have a prefix
May 11 21:20:01 <m0nt0> DocScrutinizer, why not?
May 11 21:20:14 <TAsn> though I guess hoping we don't clash two numbers with different country codes
May 11 21:20:19 <TAsn> is better than adding prefixes
May 11 21:20:21 <mrmoku> TAsn: guess numbers in your phonebook without prefix are israelian ones, no
May 11 21:20:31 <TAsn> mrmoku, no
May 11 21:20:35 <mrmoku> if you go to austria and ask frameworkd for the CC...
May 11 21:20:41 <TAsn> mrmoku, I know
May 11 21:20:44 <TAsn> that's why I said.
May 11 21:20:48 <TAsn> <TAsn> no wait, no good.
May 11 21:20:58 <TAsn> we should just drop the prefix then.
May 11 21:21:11 <TAsn> maybe
May 11 21:21:15 <TAsn> dropping country code
May 11 21:21:22 <TAsn> and adding a 0 if not already a 0
May 11 21:21:24 <m0nt0> isn't it simple?
May 11 21:21:27 <DocScrutinizer> CC is a property of your phonebook contacts, i.e. a property of *you*
May 11 21:21:44 <mrmoku> I remember a mail from raster... about that difficulties...
May 11 21:22:01 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: please read my previous staements
May 11 21:22:15 <TAsn> and compare it to what there's already theer.
May 11 21:22:19 <usr> how do i access the led's via mdbus -s? i can't find the right address
May 11 21:22:20 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, not quite
May 11 21:22:27 <DocScrutinizer> believe me, I did a lot of thinking about number normalization
May 11 21:22:31 <m0nt0> if (caller_number == sim_contact) !! (caller_number == CC_prefix + sim_contact):
May 11 21:22:36 <TAsn> I mean, I may have an israeli number without a prefix
May 11 21:23:17 <TAsn> and also an austrian number without a country prefix
May 11 21:23:26 <DocScrutinizer> oh fuck
May 11 21:23:35 <m0nt0> TAsn, that's up to you
May 11 21:23:35 <TAsn> so it's not surely a property of me
May 11 21:23:39 <DocScrutinizer> m0nt0: we talk about that
May 11 21:23:55 <TAsn> ppl live in different places in the world, and some live in more than one place
May 11 21:24:08 <TAsn> I think we need to compare without a prefix
May 11 21:24:10 <TAsn> to contacts
May 11 21:24:26 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: then you're really out of luck in working with computerized gadgets
May 11 21:24:30 <m0nt0> so i'm only in my contry i save phone numbers without prefix, if i live in more than one country i'll save phones with the prefix
May 11 21:24:44 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, why?
May 11 21:24:49 <TAsn> m0nt0, sucks. ;]
May 11 21:25:03 <TAsn> too much work for the "dumb" user
May 11 21:25:07 <TAsn> never trust the user
May 11 21:25:08 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: sucks
May 11 21:25:19 <TAsn> users never do the "right" thing ;]
May 11 21:25:29 <m0nt0> if you save "foo" as 123 in austria and then you travel to germany and from there you call "foo" i think that the operator will call the 123 in germany, not in austria
May 11 21:25:39 <m0nt0> so it's not a problem
May 11 21:25:48 <TAsn> m0nt0, duh
May 11 21:25:56 <TAsn> it'll call 123 in germany
May 11 21:26:04 <m0nt0> yeaf
May 11 21:26:09 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: so go use windoof which tries to do right thing user isn't capable to figure how to do
May 11 21:26:14 <PaulFertser> m0nt0: why not store every number in international format every time?
May 11 21:26:35 <tmzt> can you get the current MCC from the gsm network?
May 11 21:26:38 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, that's the other end of the rainbow
May 11 21:26:45 <tmzt> or is that not the right value?
May 11 21:26:51 <TAsn> I just think users can't be trusted in these matters
May 11 21:27:00 <TAsn> though when users want to go deep, they should be able to.
May 11 21:27:03 <TAsn> no doubt about that.
May 11 21:27:04 <PaulFertser> McKael: sorry, last time i tried was several months ago, i've already forgot and don't have bb handy, luckily i don't use OE :)
May 11 21:27:07 <m0nt0> yes, there are 2 solution: 1) save every number in international format (may be the better way), 2 compare phone numbers discardig the CC
May 11 21:27:17 <TAsn> though I for once will hate storing the intl prefix for every number
May 11 21:27:20 <McKael> PaulFertser: what do you use? :)
May 11 21:27:25 <tmzt> or maybe the question is how other UE's do it?
May 11 21:27:25 <PaulFertser> m0nt0: so, what downsides of the 1)?
May 11 21:27:33 <TAsn> m0nt0, I prefer 1
May 11 21:27:38 <TAsn> m0nt0, I prefer 2
May 11 21:27:40 <TAsn> I meant 2
May 11 21:27:40 <TAsn> ;]
May 11 21:27:43 <m0nt0> lol
May 11 21:27:44 <tmzt> since most of those users are in places where traveling between countries is common
May 11 21:27:49 <PaulFertser> McKael: i use Debian on FR and so far everything i needed to compile (except Qi and the kernel) i compiled on fr itself.
May 11 21:28:03 <m0nt0> i prefer 2 because i don't like to have all my numbers with +39
May 11 21:28:12 <PaulFertser> m0nt0: why?
May 11 21:28:12 <TAsn> m0nt0, exactly.
May 11 21:28:16 <PaulFertser> Shit
May 11 21:28:21 <mrmoku> http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td529906|a533940
May 11 21:28:22 <McKael> Aha, I think I faked bb, by manually adding a libtool-native-1.5.10-r10.do_unpack file
May 11 21:28:23 <PaulFertser> I'm in minority again
May 11 21:28:24 <TAsn> btw, I don't think I ever got an sms match to number
May 11 21:28:25 <TAsn> ;]
May 11 21:28:29 <TAsn> I have some numbers with CC
May 11 21:28:33 <spaetz> evening ladies
May 11 21:28:33 <mrmoku> suggests to compare from right to left... 7 digits
May 11 21:28:40 <TAsn> though never worked.
May 11 21:28:40 <Toaster`> Would it not work well to save all numbers in int'l format then remove the CC is it match the current CC from the tower?  And if a call comes without a CC, assume it's local and attach the current tower CC?
May 11 21:28:46 <TAsn> mrmoku, why 7?
May 11 21:28:49 <DocScrutinizer> m0nt0: fsck, you must'nt discard the country prefix
May 11 21:28:57 <m0nt0> PaulFertser, i don't like it as i don't like the pink color, no reason, i simply don't like it, but i think that the better way is to do the 1 sol
May 11 21:29:24 <m0nt0> so i have to live with my CC prefix
May 11 21:29:28 <TAsn> here numbers are 8-9
May 11 21:29:38 <TAsn> (without prefixes)
May 11 21:29:39 <PaulFertser> m0nt0: if i choosed between an average black bike and a really good pink road bike, i'd choose pink.
May 11 21:29:47 <TAsn> PaulFertser, ++
May 11 21:29:53 <mrmoku> TAsn: well here numbers sometimes have 6 digits
May 11 21:29:55 <m0nt0> ohhh come on
May 11 21:29:56 <McKael> yay!  package libtool-native-1.5.10: completed
May 11 21:30:02 <m0nt0> it was an example :D
May 11 21:30:04 <DocScrutinizer> Toaster`: there s no such thing as inbound call in non-canonical format. at least there must not
May 11 21:30:09 <mrmoku> McKael: congrats
May 11 21:30:11 <TAsn> mrmoku, exactly, that's why comparing 7 is a bad idea ;]
May 11 21:30:45 <mrmoku> TAsn: might be mobile numbers have at least 7 don't know...
May 11 21:30:56 <TAsn> hm.. ok
May 11 21:31:02 <m0nt0> ok, i think that the most "dumb user" solution is to do 2 simple things
May 11 21:31:13 <TAsn> as a starter, do you agree that we should automatically add the CC from the network to the incoming call?
May 11 21:31:17 <spaetz> today, openmoko was trying to tell me that +41... numbers were invalid (at least some friendly voice at t-Mobile uk told me that)
May 11 21:31:19 <TAsn> (if not already there)
May 11 21:31:26 <TAsn> so that's the first issue to solve
May 11 21:31:33 <m0nt0> 1 store everything with the CC, 2 give the user an option as "display the CC"
May 11 21:31:38 <PaulFertser> But probably i wouldn't dare cycling in a pink jersey still.
May 11 21:31:44 <DocScrutinizer> well, if nobody wants to believe me in the findings of half a year number normalizing for twinkle, go on invent a smarter way to do it 
May 11 21:31:54 <TAsn> m0nt0, not the best idea
May 11 21:31:58 <m0nt0> why
May 11 21:32:04 <TAsn> ppl sometimes use the contact list to store passwords
May 11 21:32:05 <mrmoku> TAsn: no, don't agree
May 11 21:32:09 <TAsn> and PIN numbers
May 11 21:32:15 <TAsn> mrmoku, why not?
May 11 21:32:29 <Ainulindale> mrmoku, ptitjes, people on shr-devel@
May 11 21:32:31 <Ainulindale> You've got a mail
May 11 21:32:33 * DocScrutinizer away for boredom
May 11 21:32:38 <mrmoku> I agree with DocScrutinizer... it's your phonebook... so my numbers without CC would need german CC applied... even when abroad
May 11 21:32:47 <m0nt0> TAsn, better thing so, a pwd that seems a phone number, more secure :D
May 11 21:32:52 <TAsn> mrmoku, no
May 11 21:32:58 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: Hey!
May 11 21:33:02 <TAsn> numbers without CC should have the CC when added!
May 11 21:33:02 <Ainulindale> Stop being an ass :-)
May 11 21:33:06 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: you know we agree
May 11 21:33:10 <Ainulindale> at least both of us
May 11 21:33:13 <TAsn> i.e if I'm in germany and I add a number without a prefix
May 11 21:33:15 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: stop bothering about the others
May 11 21:33:20 <Ainulindale> You know their opinion is worth nothing :-p
May 11 21:33:22 <TAsn> it should add it with a german prefix
May 11 21:33:30 <Ainulindale> (as I'll overcommit them anyway :-p)
May 11 21:33:31 <TAsn> actually, I don't think it should add a prefix at all
May 11 21:33:47 <TAsn> the numbers in the contact list should stay as typed
May 11 21:33:56 <TAsn> you must not annoy the user
May 11 21:34:00 <TAsn> by changing their data.
May 11 21:34:13 <TAsn> just mind your own business ;]
May 11 21:34:16 <Ainulindale> TAsn: are you on shr-devel?
May 11 21:34:28 <TAsn> Ainulindale, yes.
May 11 21:34:31 <TAsn> though I'm going to bed
May 11 21:34:36 <Ainulindale> then read your mails and stop annoying DocScrutinizer 
May 11 21:34:37 <TAsn> so atm, let's pretend I'm not.
May 11 21:34:38 <TAsn> ;]
May 11 21:34:40 <Ainulindale> I already owe him a beer
May 11 21:34:42 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, you are wrong.!
May 11 21:34:45 <Ainulindale> I don't want to owe him two of them
May 11 21:34:51 <m0nt0> ahahahah
May 11 21:34:57 <Ainulindale> Or maybe I'll bring german piss along 
May 11 21:35:03 <Ainulindale> That way it'll be cheap
May 11 21:35:15 <Sharwin_F> I would let the user define wheter to put or not the prefix... Personally I don't set the prefix because I'm not out of my country a lot, so when I'm out I just look for the phone in  the contacts list and add a +34 (spain)
May 11 21:35:20 <Sharwin_F> that' would be easy
May 11 21:35:27 <Sharwin_F> I mean, assuming the phone is always local
May 11 21:35:36 <Sharwin_F> unless the phone has a prefix
May 11 21:35:54 <PaulFertser> Heh, OpenBSD faq has something about it.
May 11 21:35:57 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: read it... but will answer tomorrow
May 11 21:36:00 <TAsn> Sharwin_F, yes
May 11 21:36:02 <TAsn> I agree
May 11 21:36:08 <mrmoku> going to bed too now... without TAsn though ;)
May 11 21:36:09 <TAsn> that's what I think.
May 11 21:36:19 <Sharwin_F> if the user sets a prefix, call to that country, if not, call to the country where the network is... easyt
May 11 21:36:19 <TAsn> mrmoku, you are gmt+1 right?
May 11 21:36:41 <mrmoku> TAsn: +2.? don't know 23:36
May 11 21:36:47 <TAsn> +1
May 11 21:36:48 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: quick answer informally?
May 11 21:36:51 <TAsn> i'm +2
May 11 21:36:56 <TAsn> and here it's 00:36
May 11 21:36:57 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: good thing :)
May 11 21:36:58 <TAsn> night.
May 11 21:37:09 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: well I don't want to be a pain I'm telling that because I feel it's necessary
May 11 21:37:17 <Ainulindale> I'm willing to step down if people don't think so
May 11 21:37:25 <Ainulindale> I just think now we're going straight into a wall of brick
May 11 21:37:30 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: no pain... feeling the necessity of some organization too
May 11 21:37:59 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: Yeah I just see a huge difference between work & SHR and I makes me feel creepy
May 11 21:38:14 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: no need for that :)
May 11 21:38:18 <Ainulindale> I feel no legitimacy telling people what they should do for SHR
May 11 21:38:22 <Ainulindale> But I should feel that way
May 11 21:38:37 <Ainulindale> Priorities are priorities, but as now they're not written anywhere..
May 11 21:38:37 <ptitjes> +1
May 11 21:38:51 <m0nt0> +1 
May 11 21:39:02 <Ainulindale> That's a +2 for what?
May 11 21:39:07 <Toaster`> Is there any reason why loglevel=0 is not removing all logs from being printed during boot/suspend/resume?
May 11 21:39:09 <wurp2|working> Ainulindale: The community needs you leading SHR!
May 11 21:39:10 <mrmoku> for organization me thinks
May 11 21:39:13 <m0nt0> for prioritis to be written
May 11 21:39:20 <Ainulindale> wurp2|working: the community needs *someone* leading SHR
May 11 21:39:21 <m0nt0> and organizations
May 11 21:39:41 <Ainulindale> That someone happens to be me right now out of convenience
May 11 21:39:50 <Ainulindale> Because I can shout the loudest
May 11 21:40:04 <m0nt0> i think that there should be someone who lead the project, 2 or 3 ppl and decide priorities
May 11 21:40:17 <Ainulindale> m0nt0: well did you get my mail?
May 11 21:40:26 <m0nt0> we can talk about that, but at some point a decision should be taken
May 11 21:40:29 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: will answer tomorrow... tired now
May 11 21:40:33 <mrmoku> gnight all
May 11 21:40:33 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: good night :-)
May 11 21:40:42 <m0nt0> Ainulindale, i'm sorry, but i don't think
May 11 21:40:42 <ptitjes> good night
May 11 21:40:45 <wurp2|working> Ainulindale: you get shit done, too, which is nice
May 11 21:40:53 <Ainulindale> wurp2|working: by others :-p
May 11 21:40:59 <Ainulindale> m0nt0: Well it's on shr-devel
May 11 21:41:00 <wurp2|working> Everyone feels better taking shouts from someone who contributes a lot
May 11 21:41:06 <m0nt0> acutually i got some problems, the new router is driving me crazy
May 11 21:41:06 <Ainulindale>  Err
May 11 21:41:09 <Ainulindale> I don't contribute that much
May 11 21:41:14 <Ainulindale> Orally, yes
May 11 21:41:19 <Ainulindale> In terms of lines of code, not that much
May 11 21:41:25 <wurp2|working> Ainulindale: I dunno, I haven't followed as closely for a while... but you are the reason there *is* an SHR
May 11 21:41:28 <Ainulindale> I was always the best for oral contributions :->
May 11 21:41:37 <wurp2|working> Ainulindale: Don't I know it!
May 11 21:41:43 <Ainulindale> Meh :-)
May 11 21:41:47 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: I will reply to the mail
May 11 21:41:58 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: You'd better do it yes.
May 11 21:42:07 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: but basically I think there should be two || ways like in fso
May 11 21:42:09 <DocScrutinizer> mail?
May 11 21:42:09 <m0nt0> Ainulindale, checking shr devel
May 11 21:42:12 <Ainulindale> Else I know where you live and I can build a buzz bomb
May 11 21:42:18 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: they work on two fronts simultaneously
May 11 21:42:30 <DocScrutinizer> hehe, need sime hints?
May 11 21:42:51 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-devel/2009-May/000025.html
May 11 21:42:53 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: just try. you don't what I can find in my hangar
May 11 21:44:01 <Deubeuliou> ptitjes: libfso-glib sitll compiles as Intel instead of ARM
May 11 21:44:24 <Ainulindale> (it's a pity how I feel as the bogeyman writing this type of mail)
May 11 21:45:10 <usr> how do i set the led to on via dbus?`i found the device
May 11 21:45:11 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: I support you on that
May 11 21:45:30 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: I don't know what happens... :(
May 11 21:45:55 <Ainulindale> Deubeuliou: mostly because you didn't build vala but vala-native or something like that
May 11 21:45:59 <methril> hi!
May 11 21:46:04 * spaetz yawns
May 11 21:46:05 <methril> night 
May 11 21:46:11 <Ainulindale> spaetz: are you on shr-devel?
May 11 21:46:15 <spaetz> yep
May 11 21:46:17 <Ainulindale> If you are, reply or die
May 11 21:46:35 <Ainulindale> I'll kick the crap out of anyone who won't reply
May 11 21:46:43 <usr> here is the device: org.freesmartphone.Device.LED.SetBrightness( i:brightness )
May 11 21:46:53 <spaetz> on a conference trip currently with sporadic Wifi access.
May 11 21:46:54 <m0nt0> Ainulindale, +1 for the mail, that's what's in my mind also
May 11 21:47:00 <usr> how do i set sth.
May 11 21:47:01 <spaetz> WIll need to cahckup on mails
May 11 21:47:43 <Ainulindale> spaetz: http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-devel/2009-May/000025.html
May 11 21:47:55 <tmzt> Ainulindale: so is this about SHR the distro or the different parts?
May 11 21:48:06 <Ainulindale> tmzt: the distro
May 11 21:48:13 <Ainulindale> (including parts)
May 11 21:48:19 <Deubeuliou> I'm pretty sure I built it ... but I'll recheck
May 11 21:48:25 <m0nt0> about SHR everything i think
May 11 21:48:31 * methril reading Ainulindale's mail about the core team
May 11 21:48:43 <Ainulindale> the peculiar thing here is that we are a distro but also software
May 11 21:48:43 <spaetz> Ainulindale: READING
May 11 21:49:49 <m0nt0> Ainulindale, not only that, i think that everyone needs some distro mantainer, and some sw main developer who coordinates the parts
May 11 21:50:24 <usr> i got it myself...
May 11 21:50:28 <usr> nice, the dbus
May 11 21:50:32 <spaetz> split opinion. On the one hand everyone will continue to wowork on what he finds most fun
May 11 21:50:48 <m0nt0> let's say ptitjes for the ophonekitd or libmodulo for example and when i ask "What can i do?" he can write me "do the message part or something similar"
May 11 21:50:50 <Ainulindale> spaetz: I disagree on that :-)
May 11 21:50:56 <spaetz> on the other hand some organization thcan make decisions is desirable
May 11 21:51:11 <Ainulindale> spaetz: By someone you mean the people not directly involved in SHR
May 11 21:51:20 <Ainulindale> Sad to say but I don't do what is fun to me for SHR
May 11 21:51:36 <Ainulindale> Don't you think writing mails and shouting at people makes me feel warm inside
May 11 21:51:51 <Ainulindale> Because this isn't the case
May 11 21:51:55 <spaetz> Ainulindale: I don't think you are representative of SHR then :)
May 11 21:52:03 <Ainulindale> well
May 11 21:52:09 <Ainulindale> you ought to be concious that being part of a team
May 11 21:52:13 <Ainulindale> you have certain rights, yes
May 11 21:52:18 <Ainulindale> but certain responsibilities as well
May 11 21:52:21 <spaetz> most people will consume. Some people will do what they think is fun and a few people will do the grunt work
May 11 21:52:30 <Ainulindale> one can't take and not give something in return
May 11 21:52:58 <spaetz> work like mrmoku is doing right now. ensuring that stuff compiles although idiots like me commit stuff without testing
May 11 21:53:11 <m0nt0> spaetz, ok, the shr organization i think is necessary for the active contributors i think
May 11 21:53:11 <Ainulindale> I agree that most people will do that, that's why we need people motivated to do the other stuff
May 11 21:53:12 <methril> well, is a comunnity effort, but everyone here is an adult, and Ainulindale is right, we know our responsabilities
May 11 21:53:15 <usr> could i break my phone via dbus?
May 11 21:53:23 <Ainulindale> usr: no
May 11 21:53:25 <DocScrutinizer> (me spanks spaetz
May 11 21:53:31 <usr> set vibe to 1000
May 11 21:53:50 <Toaster`> how does one call gstreamer to play a sid file from cli?
May 11 21:53:56 <Ainulindale> usr: are you there just to say disturbing things or will you talk about dev at all? =)
May 11 21:54:31 <ptitjes> m0nt0: would like to contribute to ophonekitd ? :D
May 11 21:54:37 <usr> ore would it still be 100 %? i read an article how to convert songs in vibration on om
May 11 21:54:50 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: he already wants to contribute to its dbusification
May 11 21:54:57 <m0nt0> ptitjes, want to contribute to the ophonekitd and gui things, yes
May 11 21:54:58 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: still waiting your draft by the way
May 11 21:55:11 <DocScrutinizer> usr: I know 7 methods, but these are secret wisdom for hw wizards only ;-)
May 11 21:55:13 <Ainulindale> m0nt0: did you start working on what I told you was necessary for the dbusification?
May 11 21:55:29 <Ainulindale> That is writing down functional contexts, picking one, and starting to write specs for Dbus?
May 11 21:56:06 <m0nt0> Ainulindale, since friday i'm working for a business thing that i have to do tomorrow, but i've read the vala code to make pluginnable app
May 11 21:56:07 <methril> Ainulindale: i'm waiting mrmoku resume
May 11 21:56:23 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: hum I thought I had sent it... :(
May 11 21:56:29 <methril> about lfp-efl2
May 11 21:56:30 <m0nt0> and tomorrow i'm going to write some small portion of code
May 11 21:56:37 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: let me fix this now
May 11 21:56:38 <Ainulindale> methril: yeah I know :-)
May 11 21:56:39 <DocScrutinizer> usr: if you find method #8, please tell me
May 11 21:57:00 <usr> Aintunlindale: so my next question... ^^ if every noob can use the dbus and change states of settings... what about conflicts? for example i use the power led and set it orange
May 11 21:57:01 <Ainulindale> m0nt0: well I'd suggest first try to picture what you'd do to instantiate a GUI over dbus
May 11 21:57:04 <spaetz> DocScrutinizer: thanks for the spanking. Thanks to my stolen hotel Wifi; I got it  with some delay
May 11 21:57:04 <methril> well, i'd like to be part of the team
May 11 21:57:04 <Ainulindale> that is, dbus wise
May 11 21:57:16 <Ainulindale> would you do org.shr.ophonekitd.Dialer.ShowDialer ?
May 11 21:57:17 <ptitjes> m0nt0: pluginable app ?
May 11 21:57:25 <Ainulindale> Or would you do org.shr.ophonekitd.Dialer.ShowDialer(string number) ?
May 11 21:57:29 <Ainulindale> etc.
May 11 21:57:29 <methril> Ainulindale: How many time do you think the "core" responsabilities could take?
May 11 21:57:30 <PaulFertser> http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/How%20to%20join still shows the old ML address.
May 11 21:57:31 <m0nt0> so we want to get the gui via dbus signal?
May 11 21:57:38 <Ainulindale> methril: Not that much
May 11 21:57:44 <Ainulindale> More time at the beginning of course
May 11 21:57:46 <PaulFertser> And i fail to find the new one.
May 11 21:57:47 <usr> when the phone finished it's charging it would be purple... so...
May 11 21:57:55 <spaetz> So to summarize, I think yes, some core team that makes decision is good. But most contributors will just continue to do what the y do know.
May 11 21:58:00 <Ainulindale> I'd say 5 to 6 hours the first two weeks just for the sake of writing material
May 11 21:58:08 <Ainulindale> Then not more than half an hour a week I'd say?
May 11 21:58:30 <spaetz> s/know/now/
May 11 21:58:31 <bzzbot> spaetz meant: So to summarize, I think yes, some core team that makes decision is good. But most contributors will just continue to do what the y do now.
May 11 21:58:50 <Ainulindale> m0nt0: you didn't read my mail about dbusification, did you? :-)
May 11 21:59:09 <m0nt0> Ainulindale, read and replied to that
May 11 21:59:21 <methril> spaetz: with the Ainulindales assumption most of the contributors that want to be part of the core team, could be part of them
May 11 21:59:25 <Ainulindale> So you already know that we will launch UI over dbus
May 11 21:59:44 <m0nt0> Ainulindale, http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-devel/2009-May/000010.html
May 11 22:00:07 <ptitjes> PaulFertser: http://lists.shr-project.org
May 11 22:00:31 <usr> Ainulindale: in short, do i have to take care, when i access the dbus? ore can i write what ever i wan't?
May 11 22:00:32 <Ainulindale> m0nt0: so you know what I was describing then?
May 11 22:00:33 <PaulFertser> ptitjes: Thanks :)
May 11 22:00:34 <m0nt0> so can you make this point to me more clear what do you mean for "launcing from dbus"?
May 11 22:00:54 <Ainulindale> m0nt0: let us say that I have a fully functional UI library already divide to be able to launch parts separately
May 11 22:01:01 <Ainulindale> Now I want to define my dbus methods for that
May 11 22:01:03 <Ainulindale> THe question is
May 11 22:01:07 <Ainulindale> How would you design it?
May 11 22:01:12 <m0nt0> ahhh ok
May 11 22:01:13 <methril> PaulFertser: i modified it
May 11 22:01:14 <ptitjes> PaulFertser: np :) could you fix the wiki page plz ? :)
May 11 22:01:26 <Ainulindale> m0nt0: that is the basic material we should talk about before writing any code :-)
May 11 22:01:38 <Ainulindale> Let us agree on some basics, then start rock & coding
May 11 22:01:39 <methril> ptitjes: i did
May 11 22:01:52 <ptitjes> methril: cool :)
May 11 22:01:56 <m0nt0> Ainulindale, sorry but dbus it's quite new to me... :D
May 11 22:02:02 <usr> m0nt0: if i want to change led brightness, turn on wifi etc... use the whole dbus. maybe it's better then echo values to /sysfs ^^
May 11 22:02:05 <Ainulindale> Don't be sorry m0nt0 
May 11 22:02:16 <Ainulindale> I still don't know a thing about vala
May 11 22:02:21 <Ainulindale> It doesn't prevent me from doing other things
May 11 22:02:25 <m0nt0> :D
May 11 22:02:35 <Ainulindale> I'll find time one day to dive into it
May 11 22:02:40 <Ainulindale> But for now, I've other stuff to do
May 11 22:02:57 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: can I write prototype in vala ? because DBus lakes a human-readable serialization...
May 11 22:02:59 <m0nt0> well so we need to define some dbus method, bus, interfaces to startup the gui, is this reight?
May 11 22:03:14 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: prototype of what?
May 11 22:03:19 <Ainulindale> We first need specs ptitjes 
May 11 22:03:20 <Ainulindale> Not code
May 11 22:03:21 <usr> you want to write an ide?
May 11 22:03:25 <Ainulindale> Written understable specs
May 11 22:03:27 <tmzt> usr: the dbus daemons use sysfs on the backend
May 11 22:03:31 <Ainulindale> s/understable/understandable/
May 11 22:03:32 <bzzbot> Ainulindale meant: Written understandable specs
May 11 22:03:46 <Ainulindale> m0nt0: exactly
May 11 22:03:56 <m0nt0> ahhhhh that's clear then
May 11 22:03:57 <usr> Ainulindale: do you have plans on writing an ide?
May 11 22:03:57 <Ainulindale> Something along the lines of
May 11 22:04:05 <Ainulindale> org.shr.ophonekitd.Dialer : call management object
May 11 22:04:08 <m0nt0> so i'm going to write them :D
May 11 22:04:12 <Ainulindale> - ShowDialer() shows the dialer
May 11 22:04:15 <usr> some kind of gui?
May 11 22:04:22 <Ainulindale> - ShowDialer(string number) shows the dialer with prefilled number
May 11 22:04:23 <Ainulindale> etc
May 11 22:04:23 <m0nt0> ooook
May 11 22:04:26 <Ainulindale> just written specs
May 11 22:04:29 <Ainulindale> then we'll talk about it
May 11 22:04:30 <m0nt0> yes
May 11 22:04:34 <Ainulindale> then we'll prototype them
May 11 22:04:38 <DocScrutinizer> usr: next time ide you made it on my banlist :-/
May 11 22:04:47 <m0nt0> it wasn0t clear that part
May 11 22:05:01 <Ainulindale> I seriously think that writing code first is a BAD thing
May 11 22:05:18 <Ainulindale> Even though people will tell me "it's better and/or faster that way"
May 11 22:05:21 <Ainulindale> I just won't read it
May 11 22:05:39 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: ack
May 11 22:05:41 <Deubeuliou> I have an openenmeded/recipes/vala/vala-native_git.bb (shipped with the standard OE tree) but bitbake tells there is nothing providing vala-native
May 11 22:05:46 <methril> well, is faster, but later you could have some bad design decissions
May 11 22:05:47 <Ainulindale> Written understandable specs are readable by everyone
May 11 22:05:58 <Deubeuliou> it seems like bitbake doesn't look in this folder
May 11 22:06:01 <Ainulindale> And when we'll have the full picture we'll be able to prototype :-)
May 11 22:06:21 <m0nt0> well anyone from FSO team? the docs for the api in frameworkd need an update also
May 11 22:06:29 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: check for PN
May 11 22:06:41 <Deubeuliou> should I better create a link to it, copy it, or is there a way to tell bitbake to look in this path ?
May 11 22:06:48 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: double ACK.  PN?
May 11 22:06:53 <Ainulindale> damn
May 11 22:06:55 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: for interfaces are just like what you wrote above
May 11 22:06:56 <Ainulindale> Deubeuliou: check for PN
May 11 22:07:00 <ptitjes> +me
May 11 22:07:06 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: I don't want code!
May 11 22:07:12 <Ainulindale> Don't try to convince me, it won't work
May 11 22:07:33 <m0nt0> Ainulindale, html, pdf, odf, which format? with images, or without images? :D
May 11 22:07:37 <Ainulindale> I don't want XML, I don't want code, I don't want any form of standardized way to picture this, I want talks!
May 11 22:07:57 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: what I can't add UML pictures ?
May 11 22:07:59 <Ainulindale> m0nt0: mails on the ML, possibly written material on the wiki and/or images depending on what you prefer
May 11 22:08:05 <methril> let's talk!
May 11 22:08:13 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: the first ack was about what?
May 11 22:08:20 <ptitjes> talks brings to nothing
May 11 22:08:25 <DocScrutinizer> specs first
May 11 22:08:27 <m0nt0> Ainulindale, ok, i'll put it in a txt and them write a mail, stay tuned :D
May 11 22:08:28 <Ainulindale> you tell that because you don't talk ptitjes 
May 11 22:08:30 <ptitjes> UML sequence diragrams do
May 11 22:08:35 <usr> Ainulindale: what are you at?
May 11 22:08:35 <Ainulindale> so it brings you to nothing that's for sure
May 11 22:08:52 <m0nt0> uuuuh so uml is used in real life? :D
May 11 22:08:57 <ptitjes> I already have them in txt
May 11 22:09:00 <Ainulindale> m0nt0: ptitjes is the only user :-p
May 11 22:09:06 <m0nt0> ahahahah
May 11 22:09:06 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: then mail them dammit! =)
May 11 22:09:22 <ptitjes> but there is no explanations
May 11 22:09:26 <Ainulindale> Just because you have them doesn't mean we (developers) agree
May 11 22:09:38 <Ainulindale> And as you see you don't have explanations and we'll need explanations
May 11 22:09:43 <usr> we could try to write some exploits 
May 11 22:09:45 <Ainulindale> As well as why you structured that this way
May 11 22:09:52 <Ainulindale> And as well as your choices
May 11 22:09:58 <Ainulindale> and you won't put that in vala or in UML
May 11 22:10:03 <DocScrutinizer> ptitjes: specs without explanations is worth nothing. see ALSA-specs
May 11 22:10:09 <Ainulindale> (because even if you can do that it'll be unreadable)
May 11 22:10:44 <ptitjes> DocScrutinizer: sure I just wrote those because this is the third time I wrote them differently so I know what they means
May 11 22:10:46 <ptitjes> :)
May 11 22:10:50 <ptitjes> -s
May 11 22:11:37 <usr> Ainulindale: have you finesched an
May 11 22:11:41 <usr> app
May 11 22:12:03 <DocScrutinizer>  /kick usr
May 11 22:12:43 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: Just because you wrote them doesn't mean your choices were good or relevant as you may not have the big picture in mind, as maybe neither of us
May 11 22:12:52 <Ainulindale> That's why talks are necessary
May 11 22:13:00 <Ainulindale> When a client tells you he needs foo
May 11 22:13:10 <Ainulindale> you don't come with foobar already developed
May 11 22:13:14 <Ainulindale> you try first to understand what foo is
May 11 22:13:39 <Deubeuliou> Ainulindale: sorry to bother you again, but I'm sure: you mean the name would be "vala" ? I don't find any "PN =" in any BB file, I don't know how bitbake sets the package name, I thought it was simply based on the recipe's file name
May 11 22:13:50 <Deubeuliou> s/I'm sure/I'm not sure/
May 11 22:13:50 <bzzbot> Deubeuliou meant: Ainulindale: sorry to bother you again, but I'm not sure: you mean the name would be "vala" ? I don't find any "PN =" in any BB file, I don't know how bitbake sets the package name, I thought it was simply based on the recipe's file name
May 11 22:13:58 <Ainulindale> Deubeuliou: by default it's based on the package name
May 11 22:14:06 * ptitjes is writing a lot
May 11 22:14:32 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: well any written material in your /Users/ directory isn't worth a penny to me as long as it doesn't hit the ML!
May 11 22:14:35 <Ainulindale> (or my mailbox)
May 11 22:14:46 <Ainulindale> Already told that loads of time =)
May 11 22:15:02 <Ainulindale> And I did you a favor by acknowledging OSX :-p
May 11 22:15:07 <DocScrutinizer> seems obvious to me
May 11 22:15:19 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: I everytime write in a text file before copy/paste in a mail for that kind of stuff
May 11 22:15:28 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: well different people work differently
May 11 22:15:41 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: hence my "SHR Rumblings" folder on my desktop
May 11 22:15:55 <m0nt0> ptitjes, so you have got those specs for the dbus guification?
May 11 22:15:56 <Ainulindale> Deubeuliou: go in your root shr-* dir, do a . setup-env and bitbake -b path/to/vala.bb
May 11 22:16:16 <ptitjes> m0nt0: shhh this is only my view :)
May 11 22:16:19 <Deubeuliou> too late, I edited the recipe that provides "vala"
May 11 22:16:29 <Ainulindale> you shouldn't do that
May 11 22:16:31 <Ainulindale> it's working as is
May 11 22:16:36 <Ainulindale> you don't have to do that
May 11 22:17:08 <m0nt0> ptitjes, lol, so are you going to mail that?
May 11 22:17:12 <Deubeuliou> mmh ok. and what is -b ? it adds a file ?
May 11 22:17:27 <m0nt0> else i'm going to write them, also from my points of view
May 11 22:17:30 <Ainulindale> check the man
May 11 22:17:32 <Deubeuliou> ok
May 11 22:17:34 <Ainulindale> m0nt0: do it anyway
May 11 22:17:34 <Deubeuliou> sorry
May 11 22:17:36 <Deubeuliou> right
May 11 22:17:39 <m0nt0> ok
May 11 22:17:48 <Ainulindale> Deubeuliou: no problem I can't do everything at the same time =)
May 11 22:17:54 <Deubeuliou> my bad :)
May 11 22:17:56 <Ainulindale> m0nt0: it is necessary to confront point of views
May 11 22:18:05 <Ainulindale> I have my idea already written, I didn't mail it on purpose
May 11 22:18:35 <Ainulindale> I don't care about the format as long as the design choices are understandable
May 11 22:18:48 <m0nt0> Ainulindale, ok
May 11 22:18:49 <Ainulindale> And as long as we can guess what does what
May 11 22:19:06 <Ainulindale> There is two points to this exercise
May 11 22:19:14 <Ainulindale> First make you think about what you'd like to work with
May 11 22:19:22 <Ainulindale> Then make you see what other would like
May 11 22:19:36 <m0nt0> p.s. this is what i need, i want to contribute and i'd like to be useful so what i habe to do? i need someone who tells me "do this" rather than "do that"
May 11 22:19:41 <Ainulindale> In order to come up with a new and "better" idea which will be a compromise
May 11 22:19:53 <Ainulindale> m0nt0: no problem, I'm there for that :-p
May 11 22:20:00 <Ainulindale> I like to tell other people to do what I don't want to do usually
May 11 22:20:06 <Ainulindale> Here I did it anyway but nevermind
May 11 22:20:26 <m0nt0> Ainulindale, so you're the boss :D
May 11 22:20:36 <Ainulindale> well unfortunately yes
May 11 22:21:24 <m0nt0> why unfortunately, it's a bad thing to do that alone, i agree, but a core team is going to be done so you'll be alone for a short time
May 11 22:21:30 <m0nt0> :D
May 11 22:22:09 <Ainulindale> heh
May 11 22:22:41 * dos1 votes for usr in core team and he thinks that DocScrutinizer has the same opinion ;)
May 11 22:22:55 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
May 11 22:23:19 <spaetz> dos1 for Chief Graphics Officer
May 11 22:23:21 <spaetz> è
May 11 22:23:23 <spaetz> !
May 11 22:23:42 <Ainulindale> Nah
May 11 22:23:47 <Ainulindale> CGO he's already taken by me
May 11 22:23:52 <Ainulindale> for Chief Grumpy Officer
May 11 22:24:12 <dos1> anyway, after reading lot of irc logs and mails, going to sleep now
May 11 22:24:16 <Ainulindale> Ah forgive me I'll do a tag there for ptitjes' understanding => </sarcasm> :-p
May 11 22:24:31 <dos1> spaetz: i want to be just Master ;D
May 11 22:24:52 <spaetz> nahh, Ainu is Senior Vice President of Spanking Operations
May 11 22:24:59 <Ainulindale> I like that.
May 11 22:25:02 <wurp2|working> Ainulindale: You shouldn't put <sarcasm/> tags on things that are true!
May 11 22:25:12 <Ainulindale> wurp2|working: meh :-p
May 11 22:25:51 <usr> hmm
May 11 22:27:23 <dos1> i'll answer mail tomorow 
May 11 22:27:52 <TAsn> Ainulindale, where can I find the source of phonegui-efl? (not 2)
May 11 22:27:58 <Ainulindale> TAsn: shr.git
May 11 22:28:03 <dos1> and i'll work on dbusification specs... err... talk about that when the first draft will be preented
May 11 22:28:05 <TAsn> oh, cool.
May 11 22:28:06 <TAsn> thanks.
May 11 22:28:41 <dos1> even that ALSA-like doc from ptitjes i i understood correctly
May 11 22:28:55 <dos1> good night ;)
May 11 22:29:06 <DocScrutinizer> night, dos1 
May 11 22:29:13 <ptitjes> good night dos1
May 11 22:29:20 <dos1> s/i i/if i/
May 11 22:29:20 <methril> night dos1
May 11 22:29:56 <methril> i think that i'm going to sleep too.
May 11 22:29:56 <dos1> night Doc, night ptitjes, night methril... night eveeeryyyyooneeee ;)
May 11 22:30:11 <DocScrutinizer> night, tomboy
May 11 22:30:28 <Ainulindale> methril: about your investment this isn't a matter of being the oldest guy or what
May 11 22:30:35 <Ainulindale> I think let us wait and see who wants to be in
May 11 22:30:43 <Ainulindale> And if we're 8, so be it, what's the matter with 8 people?
May 11 22:30:56 <DocScrutinizer> I form the APO ;-D
May 11 22:30:59 <methril> ok, but i understand that if someone is more time working on the project, has pripority
May 11 22:31:13 <spaetz> night dos1
May 11 22:31:22 <spaetz> ahh too late
May 11 22:31:49 <methril> well, more people, harder to agree
May 11 22:31:57 <DocScrutinizer> or maybe minister of secret operations ;-)
May 11 22:31:59 <Ainulindale> methril: Votes are there for that.
May 11 22:32:09 <Ainulindale> I think the true limit is 10
May 11 22:32:16 <spaetz> not all people might have to agreee on all issues
May 11 22:32:28 <spaetz> all depends on how you set up things
May 11 22:32:31 <Ainulindale> Yep we're not talking about something as deep as spaetz told
May 11 22:32:41 <Ainulindale> I don't think we need to decide on which package should go in the feed
May 11 22:32:44 <Ainulindale> This isn't relevant
May 11 22:32:48 <methril> it's ok to disagree. Thhis gives more opinion
May 11 22:32:57 <methril> and a more general overview
May 11 22:33:02 <Ainulindale> Things to migrate such as EFL_SRCREV though has to be decided
May 11 22:33:07 <Ainulindale> s/has/have/
May 11 22:33:08 <bzzbot> Ainulindale meant: Things to migrate such as EFL_SRCREV though have to be decided
May 11 22:34:02 <spaetz> actually, I thingk default images are a prime example of where core member voring might be useful :)
May 11 22:34:19 <spaetz> and EFL_SRVREV as well of course
May 11 22:34:27 <spaetz> SRCREV
May 11 22:34:45 <Ainulindale> For default image I agree but first vote goes to users :-)
May 11 22:35:42 <methril> IMHO depends on the "branch". For testing has to be decided, for unstable broken things and newer stuff is OK for me
May 11 22:35:52 <Ainulindale> That's what I meant.
May 11 22:37:06 <spaetz> methril: btw the older people have to be preferred is bullshit :)
May 11 22:37:17 * mwester growls
May 11 22:37:21 <Ainulindale> (agreed)
May 11 22:37:21 <spaetz> whoever is willing to invest efforts should be preferred
May 11 22:37:36 <Ainulindale> I just want people to know that this is a responsibility
May 11 22:37:41 <spaetz> not whoever happened to join at some earlier stage
May 11 22:37:46 <Ainulindale> That it'll take time of not fun job
May 11 22:37:50 <Ainulindale> But it's necessary
May 11 22:37:54 <methril> ok
May 11 22:38:02 <methril> forget that sentence
May 11 22:38:13 <Ainulindale> mwester: and you're not that old
May 11 22:38:20 <mwester> bah
May 11 22:38:35 <mwester> I was on the core team that designed _dirt_
May 11 22:38:46 <spaetz> mwester: nahh, really old means older than 30
May 11 22:38:51 * spaetz ducks
May 11 22:39:01 <Ainulindale> mwester: you mean the team before the "fiat lux" team?
May 11 22:39:02 * spaetz is older than 30 :)
May 11 22:39:21 <Ainulindale> (I'm bible joking, this is bad.)
May 11 22:39:26 <mwester> :D
May 11 22:39:28 <DocScrutinizer> back in the old days, when a young man was a strong man, all the people they stepped *back* - when young man wahalked by ;-D
May 11 22:40:05 <usr> is there a terminal-editor with syntaxhighlights for python and bash scripts for shr, fso?
May 11 22:40:19 <spaetz> yes, emacs is in the feed
May 11 22:40:21 <m0nt0> Ainulindale, talking about specs, if i write a signal, that signal is emitted by the gui?
May 11 22:40:31 <mwester> spaetz types faster than I.
May 11 22:40:33 <DocScrutinizer> today, the old man got all the money, and young man he's got nothing in the world these days
May 11 22:40:34 <Ainulindale> They won't be any signals I think
May 11 22:40:36 <usr> which feeds?
May 11 22:40:39 <spaetz> mwester: hehe
May 11 22:40:47 <Ainulindale> But if you need any, yes, they'll be emitted by the gui and/or ophonekitd
May 11 22:40:50 <Ainulindale> Justify your needs
May 11 22:40:51 <spaetz> shr feed
May 11 22:40:56 <mwester> DocScrutinizer:  I don't have any money.
May 11 22:41:07 <DocScrutinizer> hehe, same here
May 11 22:41:14 <spaetz> me neither
May 11 22:41:23 <mwester> And I'm losing my hair on top of it.
May 11 22:41:30 <mwester> Sigh.
May 11 22:41:34 <usr> got it thx
May 11 22:41:35 <Ainulindale> So am I and I'm young
May 11 22:42:10 <methril> i'm in the barrier
May 11 22:42:14 <methril> just 30
May 11 22:42:15 <spaetz> Is that why you are bearded? to compensate? :)
May 11 22:42:19 <m0nt0> Ainulindale, how does the gui and ophonekitd then talk? let's say that i click on "refuse" on the incoming call, how this "click" is returned to ophonekitd?
May 11 22:42:39 <Ainulindale> spaetz: I proudly wear my beard, and have done so since I was 15
May 11 22:42:40 <Deubeuliou> *replied*
May 11 22:42:48 <Ainulindale> spaetz: and how come you know how I look?
May 11 22:43:01 <Ainulindale> m0nt0: it isn't
May 11 22:43:09 <Ainulindale> m0nt0: it goes to the framework
May 11 22:43:17 <DocScrutinizer> m0nt0: AIUI that's what those missing specs are all about
May 11 22:43:21 <Ainulindale> then ophonekitd will receive a signal from the framework telling him call has been closed 
May 11 22:43:30 <Ainulindale> and it'll tell to the gui to close itself
May 11 22:43:41 <spaetz> Ainulindale: haven't you noticed the camera in your FR :)?
May 11 22:43:53 <m0nt0> Ainulindale, ok
May 11 22:43:59 <m0nt0> DocScrutinizer, AIUI??
May 11 22:44:05 <spaetz> no, actually you told that you are bearded at some point
May 11 22:44:10 <Ainulindale> as far as I can tell, the only camera I have is the hidden camera wurp2|gone set up to watch my girlfriend's boobs
May 11 22:44:14 <DocScrutinizer> ~wtf aiui
May 11 22:44:16 <bzzbot> no binary found.
May 11 22:44:18 <spaetz> hehe
May 11 22:44:22 <DocScrutinizer> fsckAA
May 11 22:44:27 <DocScrutinizer> !!
May 11 22:44:39 <DocScrutinizer> as i understand it
May 11 22:44:50 <DocScrutinizer> mwester: fix bzzbot!
May 11 22:45:02 <mwester> fix my ISP.
May 11 22:45:09 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
May 11 22:45:11 <mwester> both of them.
May 11 22:45:49 <DocScrutinizer> ~wtf ISP
May 11 22:45:50 <bzzbot> no binary found.
May 11 22:45:54 <mwester> I have two links; the bot gets confused when one fails, and it tries to connect over the other.
May 11 22:46:09 <mwester> no binary found?
May 11 22:46:10 <m0nt0> so wtf AIUI? :D
May 11 22:46:12 <mwester> what?
May 11 22:46:16 <DieMumiee> ­
May 11 22:46:17 <mwester> gah. :P
May 11 22:46:18 <Ainulindale> "as I understand it"
May 11 22:46:24 <m0nt0> ahhhhh
May 11 22:46:27 <m0nt0> lol, sorry
May 11 22:46:53 <mwester> bzzbot:  ISP is Internet Service Provider
May 11 22:46:54 <bzzbot> mwester: okay
May 11 22:47:00 <mwester> ~wtf ISP
May 11 22:47:02 <bzzbot> no binary found.
May 11 22:47:04 <mwester> bah.
May 11 22:47:10 <DocScrutinizer> hehehe
May 11 22:47:19 <methril> it's a really polite bot
May 11 22:47:23 <methril> hehehe
May 11 22:47:26 <Deubeuliou> what is this error:
May 11 22:47:27 <Deubeuliou> git read-tree 1 failed with signal 128, output:
May 11 22:47:28 <Deubeuliou> fatal: Not a valid object name 1
May 11 22:47:30 <Deubeuliou> ?
May 11 22:47:36 <Deubeuliou> while fetching the sources
May 11 22:47:37 <mwester> ~what is ISP
May 11 22:47:38 <bzzbot> it has been said that isp is Internet Service Provider
May 11 22:47:41 <mwester> sigh.
May 11 22:47:43 <usr> would be fun to write app to bring www-sides down with sync for hate-addresses
May 11 22:48:45 <DocScrutinizer> ~isp
May 11 22:48:45 <bzzbot> it has been said that isp is Internet Service Provider
May 11 22:48:58 <DocScrutinizer> ~wtf afaik
May 11 22:48:59 <bzzbot> no binary found.
May 11 22:49:09 <DocScrutinizer> ~afaik
May 11 22:49:21 <DocScrutinizer> ahaaaa
May 11 22:50:36 <DocScrutinizer> usr: aha, and what is the relation to topic of this channel??
May 11 22:50:37 <Deubeuliou> nobody has any clue about this error ?
May 11 22:53:03 <DocScrutinizer> err, maybe 1 isn't a valid name for whatever you try to do?
May 11 22:53:53 <mwester> Deubeuliou:  you are probably missing a PREFERRED_VERSION for the package in question.  
May 11 22:53:55 <methril> Deubeuliou: if you put the command....
May 11 22:55:30 <Ainulindale> did you do bitbake -b Deubeuliou ?
May 11 22:55:44 <methril> well, good night
May 11 22:55:47 <usr> cdevel you could write this one... anonymous-web-attack
May 11 22:55:52 <methril> tomorrow more and better :)
May 11 22:56:29 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: who's Op of # ATM??
May 11 22:56:51 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: noone
May 11 22:56:58 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: unfortunately
May 11 22:57:29 <DocScrutinizer> I usually refuse to kick, as I don't trust myself
May 11 22:58:08 <DocScrutinizer> sometimes I feel like I'd be happy someone else did nevertheless
May 11 22:58:26 <Deubeuliou> Ainulindale: actually, I put another recipe, along with the one that was used, but with a more recent version name
May 11 22:58:41 <Deubeuliou> so the latter is used
May 11 22:58:53 <Deubeuliou> /shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/vala/vala_0.7.2.bb
May 11 22:58:56 <Ainulindale> it shouldn't
May 11 22:59:01 <Ainulindale> we have a PREFERRED_VERSION
May 11 22:59:06 <Ainulindale> So you probably borked your config
May 11 22:59:11 <Deubeuliou> NOTE: preferred version 0.6.0 of vala not available (for item vala)
May 11 22:59:11 <Ainulindale> So results will be unpredictable
May 11 22:59:12 <Deubeuliou> :s
May 11 22:59:16 <Deubeuliou> ok
May 11 22:59:21 <DocScrutinizer> k, a /ignore will do for now - I hope
May 11 22:59:37 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: nah I'll paste everything for you
May 11 23:00:09 <DocScrutinizer> beware, we meet in a few days >;-)
May 11 23:00:18 <Ainulindale> Heh :-)
May 11 23:00:32 <Ainulindale> Anybody knows the basics of streaming here by the way?
May 11 23:00:35 <Ainulindale> (Video streaming)
May 11 23:02:07 <Deubeuliou> regarding what ? encoding, solutions, how it is done... ?
May 11 23:02:16 <methril> night
May 11 23:02:40 <Ainulindale> Deubeuliou: yep
May 11 23:03:03 <spaetz> no channel op?
May 11 23:03:08 <spaetz> how can that be'
May 11 23:03:10 <spaetz> ?
May 11 23:04:10 <Deubeuliou> there are a numerous of flash solutions, but I guess it's not what you are looking for ?
May 11 23:04:36 <Deubeuliou> are you thinking about a streaming server ?
May 11 23:04:45 <Ainulindale> that's for F9N
May 11 23:04:49 <Deubeuliou> ah, ok
May 11 23:04:52 <Deubeuliou> then, vlc
May 11 23:04:56 <Deubeuliou> or
May 11 23:05:01 <Ainulindale> Question is, how would you setup it?
May 11 23:05:07 <Ainulindale> Would you be able to do some experiments?
May 11 23:05:14 <Deubeuliou> I think so :)
May 11 23:05:21 <spaetz> Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono) 
May 11 23:05:24 <Ainulindale> Then could you get in touch with ptitjes for that?
May 11 23:05:25 <spaetz> interesting
May 11 23:05:30 <Ainulindale> And with bearstech for the servers?
May 11 23:05:34 <Ainulindale> The already told me they could help us with that
May 11 23:05:40 <Deubeuliou> I'll try this week or, at least, this WE
May 11 23:05:42 <Deubeuliou> ok
May 11 23:05:52 <Ainulindale> Deubeuliou: well it might be too late...
May 11 23:05:52 <Deubeuliou> I can run tests on my server
May 11 23:06:03 <Deubeuliou> ok, asap, then
May 11 23:06:15 <Ainulindale> it's for next week remember
May 11 23:06:49 <Deubeuliou> yes, next weekend. not this one
May 11 23:07:02 <Deubeuliou> but ok, I'll run tests asap
May 11 23:07:19 <Ainulindale> Thanks a lot
May 11 23:07:41 <Deubeuliou> Wednesday evening, I think
May 11 23:07:51 <ptitjes> Deubeuliou: I have a camera and PC already at home that I thought to come there with
May 11 23:08:00 <Deubeuliou> great :)
May 11 23:09:40 <Deubeuliou> Ainulindale: bitbake -c build --buildfile=/home/deubeuliou/dev/openmoko/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/vala/vala_0.7.2.bb
May 11 23:09:44 <Deubeuliou> still fails
May 11 23:09:50 <Ainulindale> log?
May 11 23:09:51 <Deubeuliou> this file simply contains:
May 11 23:09:57 <Ainulindale> (require ?)
May 11 23:09:59 <Deubeuliou> require vala.inc
May 11 23:09:59 <Deubeuliou> SRC_URI = "${FREESMARTPHONE_GIT}/vala-lang;protocol=git;branch=gir-writing"
May 11 23:10:02 <Deubeuliou> PR = "r2"
May 11 23:10:07 <Ainulindale> that's normal
May 11 23:10:17 <Ainulindale> What's the full error log?
May 11 23:10:19 <Ainulindale> Please pastebin
May 11 23:10:24 <Deubeuliou> the log is just git read-tree 1 failed with signal 128, output:
May 11 23:10:24 <Deubeuliou> fatal: Not a valid object name 1
May 11 23:10:27 <Ainulindale> Heh
May 11 23:10:30 <Ainulindale> You lack a rev
May 11 23:10:36 * spaetz yawns
May 11 23:10:38 <Ainulindale> in your include file
May 11 23:10:42 <spaetz> sleep time
May 11 23:10:45 <spaetz> night
May 11 23:10:49 <Deubeuliou> I put SRCREV in the BB ?
May 11 23:10:52 <Ainulindale> Nah
May 11 23:10:53 <Deubeuliou> good night, spaetz 
May 11 23:10:56 <Ainulindale> In shr-autorev-unstable
May 11 23:10:56 <mwester> Ainulindale:  I tried to tell him that.
May 11 23:10:59 <Ainulindale> but it should already be there
May 11 23:11:04 <Ainulindale> but as you touched everything
May 11 23:11:11 <Ainulindale> you most surely broke everything
May 11 23:11:21 <Deubeuliou> id did not change anything like shr-autorev-unstable
May 11 23:11:23 <Ainulindale> mwester: :-)
May 11 23:11:50 <Deubeuliou> mwester: I saw, but I did not understand what it meant
May 11 23:12:05 <Ainulindale> Deubeuliou: check http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev-unstable.inc;h=ec9c476e187fbe0f8f7b3d37851920e637606649;hb=HEAD
May 11 23:12:12 <Ainulindale> copy the one for vala-native
May 11 23:12:14 <Ainulindale> rename it vala
May 11 23:12:22 <Ainulindale> (SRCREV)
May 11 23:12:58 <Deubeuliou> SRCREV_pn-vala-native = "${AUTOREV}"  <-- that one ?
May 11 23:13:02 <Ainulindale> yep
May 11 23:13:09 <Deubeuliou> in the include file ?
May 11 23:13:14 <Ainulindale> yep
May 11 23:13:18 <Ainulindale> if you want to keep it
May 11 23:13:22 <Ainulindale> put it in your locale include file
May 11 23:13:26 <Ainulindale> local build something
May 11 23:14:38 <Deubeuliou> same error
May 11 23:14:48 <Deubeuliou> I apste you everything
May 11 23:15:06 <Ainulindale> then you did something wrong =)
May 11 23:15:17 <Ainulindale> can I have ssh access to your setup?
May 11 23:15:24 <Toaster`> stupid python question, I'm reading in a hex value ('\x00\x14'), and for life of me, I can't get it to convert to a decimal.  Anyone have any tips? 
May 11 23:15:37 <Ainulindale> exec bc ? :-)
May 11 23:15:58 <Deubeuliou> Ainulindale: yes: wrong include file ...
May 11 23:16:12 <Ainulindale> heh
May 11 23:16:19 <Ainulindale> I wouldn't have guessed :->
May 11 23:17:40 <Deubeuliou> ok, fetch works now. but do_install fails:
May 11 23:18:00 <Deubeuliou> NOTE: make DESTDIR=/home/deubeuliou/dev/openmoko/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/vala-0.7.2-r2/image install
May 11 23:18:04 <Deubeuliou> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
May 11 23:18:14 <Ainulindale> Give me ssh access =)
May 11 23:18:23 <Deubeuliou> ok .... mmh
May 11 23:18:34 <Ainulindale> Want my public key?
May 11 23:19:57 <Deubeuliou> no need
May 11 23:21:15 <Deubeuliou> shhh ... I can't remember my router password ...
May 11 23:21:29 <Ainulindale> Youngsters! :-)
May 11 23:21:39 <Ainulindale> Can't you have a proper BSD router like everyone? :-)
May 11 23:21:40 <Deubeuliou> ah, found it
May 11 23:21:48 <spaetz> pfff
May 11 23:21:50 <Deubeuliou> I have a fonera :)
May 11 23:22:02 <Deubeuliou> I ssh to it :p
May 11 23:26:14 <m0nt0> giong to bed, tomorrow i'll write the mail
May 11 23:26:19 <m0nt0> good night
May 11 23:46:13 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: vala-bootstrap-native builde pas...
May 11 23:48:14 <ptitjes> arf
May 11 23:48:31 <Ainulindale> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `valaccodearraymodule.lo', needed by `libvala.la'.  Stop.
May 11 23:49:07 <Ainulindale> Deubeuliou: by the way you didn't reply to all
May 11 23:50:06 <Deubeuliou> rhaa, ok
May 11 23:51:01 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: does it tell anything to you?
May 11 23:51:33 <ptitjes> nah
May 11 23:51:46 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: but we have had a vala night some days ago
May 11 23:51:56 <Ainulindale> should we build the branch with autorev?
May 11 23:52:01 <Ainulindale> (fso)
May 11 23:52:07 <ptitjes> oh for sure yes
May 11 23:52:24 <Ainulindale> then could you build vala-bootstrap-native with it?
May 11 23:52:26 <ptitjes> branch pending-upstream-move
May 11 23:52:36 <ptitjes> oh sorry
May 11 23:52:37 <Ainulindale> errr fso branch here
May 11 23:52:41 <Ainulindale> it's for Deubeuliou 
May 11 23:52:47 <ptitjes> stop rewinding...
May 11 23:52:53 <ptitjes> stupid me
May 11 23:53:03 <Ainulindale> SRC_URI = "${FREESMARTPHONE_GIT}/vala-lang;protocol=git;branch=gir-writing"
May 11 23:53:22 <ptitjes> this has to be pending-upstream-move!!!
May 11 23:53:24 <ptitjes> :)
May 11 23:53:30 <Ainulindale> then you should tell him so!!!
May 11 23:53:33 <ptitjes> is it in git like this ?
May 11 23:53:41 <Deubeuliou> I check
May 11 23:54:04 <Deubeuliou> yes
May 11 23:54:19 <ptitjes> hum
May 11 23:54:24 <Ainulindale> See? No written specs or docs! :-p
May 11 23:54:56 * DocScrutinizer wonders who's got the stupid idea to start at 09:00 at F9N
May 11 23:55:00 <Ainulindale> Same error
May 11 23:55:04 <usr> can i rotate the screen via dbus?
May 11 23:55:14 <Ainulindale> can you read docs?
May 11 23:55:26 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: for your sake, I was talking to the nameless
May 11 23:55:59 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: same error with the branch you just named
May 11 23:56:04 <usr> i can, but i don't want to get that deep into it
May 11 23:56:26 <usr> if it's not worth it
May 11 23:56:42 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: this may be a bootstrap problem
May 11 23:56:53 <Ainulindale> Then you should go and ask on #dbus, usr they'll answer 
May 11 23:57:05 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: lo is build with C files, C files with valac
May 11 23:57:07 <usr> thx
May 11 23:57:23 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: official release versions comes with C files inside
May 11 23:58:00 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: you have to build that and then with that valac build valac from git
May 11 23:58:20 <Ainulindale> Deubeuliou: don't tell me you didn't build the first bootstrap normally... :->
May 11 23:58:24 <Ainulindale> I'll have to kill you
May 11 23:58:45 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: normally this is the goal of those bootstrap and al recipes that mickey and moku have done
May 11 23:59:01 <Deubeuliou> Ainulindale: I told you I didn't touch the bootstrap
May 11 23:59:07 <Ainulindale> grah :-)
May 12 00:00:22 <Deubeuliou> If it works, everything will be ready on Wendnesday for streaming !!!
May 12 00:01:28 <Ainulindale> ../compiler/valac: line 105: /home/deubeuliou/dev/openmoko/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/vala-0.7.2-r2/git/compiler/.libs/
May 12 00:01:30 <Ainulindale> lt-valac: cannot execute binary file
May 12 00:01:31 <Ainulindale> Sigh.
May 12 00:01:39 <Deubeuliou> (pfiu... I have an english presentation tommorrow morning about Douglas Adams still to be finished...)
May 12 00:01:40 <Ainulindale> (arm)
May 12 00:01:42 <Deubeuliou> aw :/
May 12 00:02:07 <Deubeuliou> you already fixed it, didn't you ?
May 12 00:02:36 <Ainulindale> Nah.
May 12 00:03:06 <Deubeuliou> ah, vala needs to be rebuilt properly after the boostrap ?
May 12 00:03:19 <Ainulindale> How could I know? I'm a vala noob!
May 12 00:03:26 <Deubeuliou> I don't know neither
May 12 00:03:32 <Ainulindale> And our gentle friends didn't write any kind of doc=)
May 12 00:04:10 <ptitjes> haha
May 12 00:04:13 <Ainulindale> (my guess is it won't work)
May 12 00:04:35 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: I think mrmoku has succeeded
May 12 00:04:54 <Ainulindale> Yeah he sure did but here Deubeuliou touched this and that
May 12 00:05:02 <Ainulindale> And I don't know what "this" or "that" is
May 12 00:05:47 <ptitjes> arf dunno what this or that are neither
May 12 00:06:14 <Deubeuliou> not that much ... :'(
May 12 00:06:37 <Ainulindale> can we overwrite your shr recipes tree?
May 12 00:06:44 <Ainulindale> Or do you have local modif?
May 12 00:06:53 <Deubeuliou> files related to libframeworkd-phonegui-*, libfso, vala
May 12 00:07:00 <Deubeuliou> I don't have any local modif
May 12 00:07:08 <Ainulindale> Are you sure?
May 12 00:07:30 <Deubeuliou> the only thing I wrote is in /home/deubeuliou/dev/vala/libframeworkd-phonegui-gtk
May 12 00:07:36 <Deubeuliou> the rest isn't important
May 12 00:08:42 <Ainulindale> let's rickroll your recipes then
May 12 00:13:36 <Deubeuliou> Ainulindale: there is a \ to much
May 12 00:13:51 <Ainulindale> Damn lag
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May 12 00:15:40 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: won't build bootstrap
May 12 00:16:16 <Deubeuliou> the rules are supposed to be clean, right ?
May 12 00:19:58 <Ainulindale> Si ça marche je file au pieu
May 12 00:20:41 <Ainulindale> To me it's a dumb thing in the makefile directives for vala-bootstrap
May 12 00:20:43 <Ainulindale> I can't do a thing
May 12 00:21:05 <Deubeuliou> I see
May 12 00:21:17 <Deubeuliou> well, maybe we should wait for the vala team to fix it
May 12 00:21:39 <Deubeuliou> but, you told that mrmoku managed to buidl it ?
May 12 00:21:41 <Ainulindale> Hmmmm. Weird.
May 12 00:22:04 <Deubeuliou> it means he was able to build what, exactly ?
May 12 00:22:39 <Deubeuliou> mmmh you managed to build vala-bootstrap-native-0.7.1, later. why not now ?
May 12 00:22:54 <Deubeuliou> SRC_URI_pn-vala-bootstrap-native= "${FREESMARTPHONE_GIT}/vala-lang;protocol=git;branch=pending-upstream-move"
May 12 00:22:57 <Deubeuliou> this is normal ?
May 12 00:23:29 <Ainulindale> We tried with and without
May 12 00:23:33 <Deubeuliou> ok
May 12 00:23:40 <Ainulindale> That's why it built once
May 12 00:24:29 <Ainulindale> we'll clean everything and rebuild just vala
May 12 00:24:42 <Ainulindale> (everything vala related)
May 12 00:26:27 <Ainulindale> I guess it'll fail.
May 12 00:26:35 <Ainulindale> If it does, check tomorrow with mrmoku|away :-)
May 12 00:26:48 <Deubeuliou> ok !
May 12 00:27:15 <Ainulindale> I'll try to rebuild vala-native and vala-bootstrap-native anyway
May 12 00:28:26 <Deubeuliou> if I understand well, vala-native is the i686 compiler and -bootstrap, the ARM one ?
May 12 00:29:09 <Ainulindale> Brain... not... working... anymore... POWEROFF
May 12 00:29:29 <Deubeuliou> meh. right
May 12 00:29:30 <Ainulindale> Please check with the guys tomorrow
May 12 00:29:36 <Ainulindale> I'm not aware of what they did
May 12 00:29:42 <Ainulindale> To me this sounds as a bad makefile directive
May 12 00:29:46 <Deubeuliou> yeah. have a deep sleep
May 12 00:29:50 <Ainulindale> Tomorrow, big meeting. Night!
May 12 00:30:05 <Deubeuliou> and thanks !
May 12 00:30:16 <Ainulindale> (you're welcome)
May 12 00:30:18 <Ainulindale> I'm off
May 12 00:31:25 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: night
May 12 00:36:00 <Deubeuliou> me too, bye
May 12 00:47:55 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #437 (mplayer with tremor support) created <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/437>
May 12 00:58:16 <rwhitby> mickey|zzZZzz: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/ofono.txt
May 12 00:59:54 <rwhitby> (log from #ofono IRC channel, where a shallow technical comparison of FSO and ofono took place)
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