**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 16 02:59:57 2009 May 16 03:58:51 quite amazing - 10mm of removed shielding screen on the usb-extenson-cable made my usb-kbd fail on enumeration May 16 04:03:30 I had expected this for usb2, but not for low speed usb of FR May 16 08:46:13 dos1|neo: planning to hijack my thread ? :) May 16 08:48:13 mirko-paroli: it's part of my world domination plan ;) May 16 08:50:06 mirko-paroli: but i just read "opimd" and then i heared a little voice in my head "write it, write it"... ;D i hope i didn't break your world domination plan ;) May 16 08:50:46 dos1|neo: nah, I was joking, it was meant to be as open as possible and getting people to help with opimd was part of the plan :) May 16 08:52:57 mrmoku|a`, hope you are happy, I registered to shr-user ;[ May 16 08:53:20 mirko-paroli: I saw a mail on community asking you about GUI design guidelines again. I might have missed your answer, but probably you missed the question? Do you want me to find it in the archives? May 16 08:54:42 PaulFertser: I knew about the mail before it was sent ;) May 16 08:55:06 PaulFertser: if I had documents I would gladly share them May 16 08:56:57 PaulFertser: I also think the mail was not addressed to me but to the person that actually made the design May 16 08:58:10 mirko-paroli: there was even a follow-up to that mail... I guess people want to know at least something about GUI design guidelines. Just two sentences explaining history, current state and possible future of the current design would satisfy them, i guess. May 16 08:58:39 PaulFertser: k then we are talking about different mail May 16 08:58:41 s May 16 08:59:00 * mirko-paroli goes and rereads threads May 16 08:59:18 mirko-paroli: you know, after the ultimately bad experience wrt gui stuff in the past (and considering many people actually care about design and/or usability), it's an important point to clarify. Just my humble opinion. May 16 08:59:30 SHR: 03tom 07shr-themes * rb9232e2486a3 10/gtk/shr-theme-gtk-e17lookalike/gtkmenu: gtk theme removed the frame, too cpu consuming May 16 08:59:47 TAsn: which frame? May 16 09:00:01 oops May 16 09:00:03 PaulFertser: can you point me to the mail you are refering to ? May 16 09:00:08 frame around menus ;] May 16 09:00:16 mirko-paroli: sure, give me 5 mins to find it :) May 16 09:00:24 PaulFertser: thx May 16 09:00:28 TAsn: oh, then ok ;) May 16 09:00:54 dos1|neo, I'm now trying to optimize it as much as possible... May 16 09:00:54 TAsn: you can also look at frames around text fields May 16 09:01:07 yep. May 16 09:02:44 mirko-paroli: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-May/047818.html May 16 09:02:54 PaulFertser: thx May 16 09:03:01 mirko-paroli: and there was some remark in a later mail from Risto about the same thing. May 16 09:03:21 PaulFertser: so we were talking about the same mail May 16 09:03:22 :) May 16 09:04:00 mirko-paroli: ok :) Just its a bit worrying to see a mail like this unanswered (esp. in the context of OM ui design history), don't get me wrong. May 16 09:04:25 PaulFertser: as I said I knew about the mail and was involved in formulating it May 16 09:04:44 well not formulating but to get it into the form it is in May 16 09:05:37 TAsn: run vala-terminal with your theme May 16 09:05:59 ? May 16 09:06:18 what's wrong? May 16 09:06:27 TAsn: could you remove that hover after clicking on button, and make buttons little snaller, to fix toscreen? May 16 09:06:47 PaulFertser: k i'll try to disect the mail and answer what I can May 16 09:07:11 dos1|neo, why do you want to remove that hover? it means the button is selected... May 16 09:07:14 I think it's good. May 16 09:07:22 snaller = smaller? May 16 09:07:33 TAsn: that's touchscreen. there are taps/clicks, but not hovers May 16 09:07:54 because I think smaller than that won't be clickable. May 16 09:08:14 TAsn: while clicking - ok, but after clicking there is no need to indicate anything May 16 09:08:24 PaulFertser: my hope was that someone else from OM would respond but it seems that won't happen, this also motivated my newest mail to the comm list, I don't want to wait, but make things happen and get them working May 16 09:08:39 TAsn: with default theme it was clickable... with your it doesn't fit May 16 09:09:16 I can change the sizes May 16 09:09:17 ok. May 16 09:10:04 * mrmoku|a` is changing his NTBA/Splitter now... cu... if all goes well ;) May 16 09:10:58 TAsn: is version in repo quite actual? May 16 09:11:08 i'm testing that version May 16 09:12:20 * dos1|neo is restarting pidgin to test theme May 16 09:13:54 mirko-paroli: who else left at OM working on GTA0x stuff? I know only you, Angus and Nelson. Most other users too. You're the frontman of the project so it's reasonable that you'll answer those questions of Risto. At least i thought you would. May 16 09:15:18 TAsn: pidgin looks good except two things May 16 09:15:30 the "connecting..." label May 16 09:15:31 and? May 16 09:16:05 TAsn: there is black text on status button and white text on tabs in conversation window May 16 09:16:37 dos1|neo, I made the terminal buttons as small as I could May 16 09:16:42 ... May 16 09:16:50 though there's still one missing May 16 09:16:59 I don't think it's clickable with the default theme. May 16 09:17:06 PaulFertser: we had the debate about who does the design stuff May 16 09:17:32 PaulFertser: anyhow I am answering May 16 09:17:57 ok, one last try. May 16 09:18:11 mirko-paroli: sure but i thought that many things changed since than. Probably i even hoped they (who design but don't talk) were let go as it was with so many cool devs ;) May 16 09:18:30 ok, I think it's ok now dos1|neo . May 16 09:18:36 PaulFertser: hehe, sry that you are stuck with me ;) May 16 09:19:29 mirko-paroli: it'd be even worse if you was fired too, so no need to sorry, i'm glad you're alright and your work is not lost and users like the software and started to participate etc :) May 16 09:20:15 PaulFertser: I am no raster, but at least I do stuff ... yeah I can live with that statement ;) May 16 09:21:00 dos1|neo, as for the hover May 16 09:21:18 it's harder to fix May 16 09:21:25 means I have to make it look like stock. May 16 09:21:39 because I don't know of a way to tell it just act as if its. May 16 09:21:47 and #gtk+ is practically dead. May 16 09:22:22 PaulFertser: mirko-paroli: who else left at OM working on GTA0x stuff? <-- there is also Charlie May 16 09:22:31 khiraly1: nope, Charlie left. May 16 09:22:52 khiraly1: PaulFertser is correct, Charlie left and works on tichy, which is not related to paroli (any more) May 16 09:22:58 khiraly1: his Tichy is hosted now at googlecode btw. May 16 09:23:46 ok, I misunderstand your sentence then. (the other way around) May 16 09:25:27 Nelson Castillo works at OM? I thought he is outsider. May 16 09:25:33 khiraly1: he does. May 16 09:25:40 khiraly1: In fact he's the only kernel dev left at OM. May 16 09:25:54 khiraly1: he's currently working on supporting the kernel and pushing stuff upstream. May 16 09:26:05 too bad. If he left will turn off from the project like all the others (eg: Andy) May 16 09:26:06 TAsn: i like your theme :) it has bigger, finger friendly witgets, but not too big May 16 09:26:16 ;] May 16 09:26:24 I just massively edited the 2007.2 theme May 16 09:26:34 changed artwork and sizes and logic and order, and fixed stuff ;] May 16 09:26:34 TAsn: please, don't make for example scrollbars wider May 16 09:26:41 dos1|neo, heck no. May 16 09:26:47 they are good now May 16 09:26:50 :) May 16 09:26:53 they are too big as they are (though making them smaller is hard to click) May 16 09:27:26 khiraly1: Sorry, could you rephrase? May 16 09:27:38 i saw someone on ML who wanted double size of scrollbars... May 16 09:27:41 ;x May 16 09:27:51 dos1|neo, no offense, but he should die. May 16 09:27:51 ;] May 16 09:28:12 TAsn: i agree ;D May 16 09:28:17 ffs, I don't see why May 16 09:28:31 but for some reason the toolbar buttons in the terminal May 16 09:28:41 are painted gray. May 16 09:28:41 ;[ May 16 09:28:48 they should not. May 16 09:28:52 PaulFertser: I only wanted to say, every precedent OM employee do not actively participe anymore. One exception is Werner. But Andy for example, I didnt read a single email on mailing list since he left. And there are others too May 16 09:29:09 s/participe/participate/ May 16 09:29:09 khiraly1 meant: PaulFertser: I only wanted to say, every precedent OM employee do not actively participate anymore. One exception is Werner. But Andy for example, I didnt read a single email on mailing list since he left. And there are others too May 16 09:29:35 khiraly1: And Joerg still does a _lot_ for OM community. May 16 09:30:01 So there is a chance if Nelson quits OM, we will never hear a single word May 16 09:30:30 PaulFertser: yepp. Joerg still *support* OM community. God bless him;) May 16 09:30:34 khiraly1: I'm a former OM employee May 16 09:30:36 khiraly1: Andy was really disappointed because he worked really hard on GTA03 and suddenly his work became unneeded. May 16 09:31:04 khiraly1: yep, the whole FSO team is one of the most active part in the community. May 16 09:32:23 I never understood why om let kernel people go. Its so hard to involve in low level stuff... May 16 09:33:27 * dos1|neo wants to see busy state on resume fixed in FSO May 16 09:33:38 alphaone: ^^^ May 16 09:33:53 it's really annoying May 16 09:34:01 alphaone: I didnt see you on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Who_is_Who May 16 09:34:01 dos1|nedos, it's still not working, right? May 16 09:34:08 I thought it was fixed at some point? May 16 09:34:32 when i'm going to sleep with silent profile, and then sms arrives May 16 09:34:33 khiraly1: It's easy. You just upset them until they leave :-) May 16 09:34:47 khiraly1: Well, don't believe everything a wiki tells you :-) May 16 09:35:31 spaetz: i didn't see such commit, and i'm following fso git repo May 16 09:35:33 PaulFertser: ever read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Who_is_Who ? May 16 09:35:40 dos, ok then :-( May 16 09:35:44 alphaone: oh, I see you: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/Status_Update_2 May 16 09:35:45 or rather not ok May 16 09:35:51 okay, gotta go now. bye May 16 09:35:54 khiraly1: :-) May 16 09:35:57 hey daniel May 16 09:35:58 ;) May 16 09:36:13 khiraly1: Actually I'm on who is who as well May 16 09:36:18 anyway May 16 09:36:51 cant see you btw May 16 09:37:32 alphaone is always gone ;D May 16 09:38:05 mirko-paroli: several times. But it doesn't tell me anything. Probably all those guys are working on secret project B. Or take e.g. Candy Chou. She simply ignored my valid questions. Ignored despite being sent personally to her with community Cc'd. So it's essentially the same as she didn't exist at all for me. May 16 09:38:42 PaulFertser: hehe, I meant wrt design May 16 09:38:57 always gone? May 16 09:39:05 for this he is quite active :) May 16 09:39:11 http://sspaeth.de/uploads/tmp/stats.html May 16 09:39:21 #16 out of 500 in the activity stats May 16 09:39:44 there are names in who is who, from whom I didnt read a single line in OM mailing lists May 16 09:40:00 none of them (community, devel, hardware, gta03, etc) May 16 09:40:27 PaulFertser: but I would kindly request to not make too much noise as it makes my job even harder May 16 09:40:28 mirko-paroli: those who don't write anything on ML or IRC are essentially equivalent to imaginary ghosts in the eyes of an outsider. May 16 09:40:50 mirko-paroli: does paroli support translating? May 16 09:40:57 dos1|neo: not yet ;) May 16 09:41:11 mirko-paroli: but it will? May 16 09:41:14 dos1|neo: I am trying to get all text out of edc so that I can go get_text it all May 16 09:41:27 dos1|neo: I hope May 16 09:41:35 mirko-paroli: i'll gladly avoid making your job harder if you say specifically what am i to avoid doing. Noise here on -cdevel? On ML? Help me to not making that harmful noise, please. May 16 09:41:49 PaulFertser: on the ML i guess May 16 09:42:06 PaulFertser: but mainly about design and such May 16 09:42:17 mirko-paroli: Do i make any noise since the "interview"? May 16 09:42:35 PaulFertser: not sure what the status is there, I am trying to get stuff into the design that were not meant to be there :) May 16 09:42:40 mirko-paroli: fine :) i've done polish translations for zhone, shr-settings and libframeworkd-phonegui-efl, and i would like to translate paroli too ;) May 16 09:42:44 PaulFertser: no no, was not saying you did May 16 09:43:03 dos1|neo: ah, nice. Will have to look at all that soon May 16 09:43:03 I always wondered if there are anybody else in OM, who are not listed on Who is Who (alphaone is one of them) May 16 09:43:38 mirko-paroli: i'm not intending to make any more noise after the interview, honestly. Just thought you might have missed that letter by mistake. May 16 09:44:16 PaulFertser: no worries, I had hoped design would answer, but was told to just take it all over and make it happen (behind closed doors ofc) May 16 09:44:23 so I will May 16 09:44:25 :) May 16 09:44:47 mirko-paroli: too bad (in my opinion) that so much cool devs were fired and the same (probably they might be even ignorant) non-programmers pseudo-designers are still there... May 16 09:45:20 mirko-paroli: you can avoid commenting on my last remark :) May 16 09:45:27 hrhr, thx May 16 09:46:09 PaulFertser: the same feelings here May 16 09:47:05 Would be nice too see an interview of all of them, a photo-tour around the office and factory. Just to see, who is really who.;) May 16 09:47:12 spaetz: i always see '|gone' with alphaone's nick ;) May 16 09:47:42 spaetz: are dos1 and dos1|neo counted to that mysterious dos11? May 16 09:47:49 khiraly1: there were some photos from the new office without mentioning anyone in particular. May 16 09:48:43 PaulFertser: And where are the git commits of those "mysterious" people? May 16 09:49:49 khiraly1: you know, it looks like OM is good at macro-PR when they do a great fuss and every guy (who once installed ubuntu by mistake) then wants to by a FR. But they suck at micro-PR when they need to keep good relationships with community members who understand what's going on. May 16 09:50:35 khiraly1: there's none. Raster told about them that the design department was making absurdistic flash movies to show him the desired design. May 16 09:51:33 flash movies? are you kidding? May 16 09:51:54 PaulFertser: was that ASU flash movie from that guys? May 16 09:52:17 Wonka: dos1|neo: i'm just paraphrasing Raster, i don't know any details. May 16 09:52:40 .flv I can watch, .swf I can't, BLOBless as I try to stay... May 16 09:53:11 Wonka: use gnash ;D May 16 09:53:18 dos1|neo: boycott flash May 16 09:53:40 dos1|neo: it's a bad technology abused to do bad things. May 16 09:53:41 dos1|neo: does not work with all .swf May 16 09:54:00 PaulFertser: i'm not using it since ages May 16 09:54:10 dos1|neo: especially usually not with the video players of the n+1st video clip site May 16 09:54:12 dos1|neo: well, why are you suggesting gnash then? ;) May 16 09:54:31 *yawn* May 16 09:54:39 Morning, mickeyl :) May 16 09:54:48 morning paul May 16 09:54:55 PaulFertser: it was more joke, as i know current gnash state ;D May 16 09:55:29 mickeyl: morning! do you have some good morning energy? ;) May 16 09:55:31 mickeyl: Do you think having a flag that can be raised by any subsystem during suspend that would mean skip actual suspend command and resume immediately would be ok? May 16 09:56:51 hmm May 16 09:57:09 mickeyl: is "busy after resume" fixed? it's really annoying when i'm going to sleep with silent profile, and then sms arrives May 16 09:57:32 dos1|neo: not exactly sure which one you mean May 16 09:58:12 mickeyl: phone doesn't suspend after resume, until screen is touched May 16 09:58:56 mickeyl: just wait until autosuspend proced, and then just click power button. don't touch screen May 16 09:58:59 dos1|neo: what list do you want to see me on? :P May 16 10:00:13 mickeyl: log will say that there is still "suspend" state, so phone won't dim or suspend until tapping screen will set "busy" state May 16 10:00:28 mickeyl: is it clear? :) May 16 10:00:38 mrmoku: what? ;x May 16 10:00:59 dos1|neo: yes, i understand. do we have an FSO bug # for that? May 16 10:01:24 mickeyl: yep, i created it some time ago May 16 10:02:07 dos1|neo: ML regarding om2009 May 16 10:02:18 mickeyl: #410 May 16 10:02:24 okay May 16 10:03:12 mickeyl: #435, what I promised you May 16 10:03:16 mrmoku: i don't understand... don't forget i'm still ill and my mind can't work as expected ;D May 16 10:03:25 mickeyl: I have two more logs, if it helps May 16 10:04:04 dos1|neo: ahh... reread it and understood it now... :) nvm May 16 10:04:44 SHR: 03tom 07shr-themes * r42ca1a3ad148 10/gtk/shr-theme-gtk-e17lookalike/ (gtkbutton gtkentry gtkrc): gtk theme: made the button spacing smaller, changed default icon sizes and removed the framing aronud gtk entry May 16 10:15:22 mrmoku: how about recipes? May 16 10:15:57 bye everyone, food time May 16 10:16:12 mrmoku: and do you have splitted messages in your inbox? May 16 10:17:00 mrmoku: pimm-gui.py now is merging splitted messages May 16 10:17:24 as excersise for me before implementing it in opimd ;) May 16 10:19:51 mrmoku: btw. can you build recent frameworkd, frameworkd-config-shr and shr-settings in -unstable? May 16 10:20:48 i would like to post my opimd scripts on maillist May 16 10:21:15 but people can't use it without frameworkd up-to-date May 16 10:21:35 raster: hi May 16 10:21:49 dos1|neo: BOO! May 16 10:22:12 raster: why glamo is slowing down everything? can't it be accelerated? ;> May 16 10:22:26 * raster is tired of glamo May 16 10:22:30 to be honest May 16 10:22:36 raster: i'm joking ;D May 16 10:22:45 gta02 has pretty much dropped of my face of anything interesting May 16 10:23:04 have newer more advanced and interesting toys May 16 10:23:35 hehe May 16 10:23:38 hardly as open as 02 May 16 10:23:55 hence as "complete" May 16 10:24:05 n'est ce pas? May 16 10:24:13 mickeyl: open enough for me as i happily get all the inside info :) May 16 10:24:45 and yes - i know May 16 10:25:28 but really the other annoyances of gta02 outweigh its openness. May 16 10:25:46 but i'm slowly pushing for open in other places May 16 10:25:55 and i'm already 75% of the way there May 16 10:26:43 i don't need other toys, as gta02 is not toy for me. it's tool for learning and doing my hobby :) May 16 10:27:16 i've learned a lot with my neo May 16 10:27:29 i guess i startd years before on an ipaq May 16 10:27:39 so for me i want more than learn or just open May 16 10:27:56 i want open AND "equal to the higher end/top phones out there" May 16 10:28:18 i dont want to have 5 years old technology in return for open - i dont want to make such compromises May 16 10:28:26 raster: would be nice if you could carry gta02 as a *phone*. And you could have many more toys at home, but not a *phone* May 16 10:28:32 and as such openmoko isnt going to be delivering that in the future May 16 10:28:46 ofc it would be nice to see gta02 better and without that stupid mistakes... May 16 10:29:07 well gta03 was getting there May 16 10:29:14 but... was canned May 16 10:29:23 but when i think about it, i really don't need it May 16 10:29:37 except graphic performance May 16 10:29:41 you dont need better than gta02? May 16 10:29:46 welol i know i do May 16 10:29:52 which is irritating and annoying ;p May 16 10:29:56 data rates in .au are 120x thoseon 2g than 3g May 16 10:30:06 if u have 2g you pan 120x the money for the same data May 16 10:30:14 so for me 3g is do or die for data May 16 10:30:22 raster: i live in poland ;D May 16 10:30:39 ADD to that the poor gfx... and its a losing proposition - even if open. May 16 10:31:01 its one of the few open linux devices out there u can hack May 16 10:31:06 and its the only phone May 16 10:31:14 but that doesnt instantly make it good. May 16 10:31:31 raster: i'm using wifi most of time, and sometimes gprs May 16 10:31:48 you can carry a 3g usb adapter, as you would do with you laptop May 16 10:31:53 dos1|neo: that's you - me. wifi only works at home. if i'm at home i will use my laptop or desktop May 16 10:32:00 khiraly1: dont be silly! May 16 10:32:01 its not solution, but better than nothing May 16 10:32:11 1. i have to buy one ($200) May 16 10:32:20 2. it just looks stupid May 16 10:32:27 i want a proper 3g phone May 16 10:32:37 i have 4 of them with me right here May 16 10:32:37 $200??? Here it costs me 13EUR/month. And get one with the contract May 16 10:32:53 and the are all smaller than the gta02, slicker and faster. May 16 10:32:59 khiraly1: notin .;au May 16 10:33:19 raster: i have wifi coverage almost everywhere i need. when i don't have, i'm using gprs, which is cheaper for ne than 3g May 16 10:33:29 unless you sign up for 2 years for 25eur/mo May 16 10:33:32 (but edge would be good...) May 16 10:33:35 anyway I plan to carry with me some spare battery, an usb charger, so carrying a 3g dongle is nothing;)) May 16 10:34:06 dos1|neo: not in .au - u have zero wifi as its all wpa o wep. people have bandwidth caps. they dont open access points May 16 10:34:22 khiraly1: i dont intend to do that May 16 10:34:27 my phones charge from my laptop May 16 10:34:30 so no charger May 16 10:34:44 i want just the 1 thing in my pocket May 16 10:34:47 phone. May 16 10:34:49 my gta02 charges from laptop too May 16 10:34:52 it should do everything i need/want May 16 10:34:59 sure May 16 10:35:00 and i'm not using spare battery May 16 10:35:12 but again - for 3g u need a dongle May 16 10:35:20 wifi is not usable outside of home May 16 10:35:30 and dongle costs $ May 16 10:35:42 i don't need 3g, so *I'M* happy with gta02 ;D May 16 10:35:45 yes May 16 10:35:47 but i am not May 16 10:35:56 that's you ;) May 16 10:36:06 you are trying to convince me why i should be happy with it :) May 16 10:36:08 yes May 16 10:36:12 nooooo May 16 10:36:12 thats what i keep saying May 16 10:36:26 i'm not trying May 16 10:36:35 i'm just saying my opinion May 16 10:36:41 which is mine May 16 10:36:47 sure May 16 10:36:59 everyone else can have other opinions :) May 16 10:37:07 depending what they need May 16 10:37:22 sure May 16 10:37:49 dos1|neo: can do but later... May 16 10:37:52 family time now May 16 10:37:53 and for me its a first step only int the world of a proper open phone May 16 10:37:58 but the 2nd step isnt happening May 16 10:38:18 and thus - i am focusing on other solutions. May 16 10:38:23 raster: i agree... and that's sad :( May 16 10:38:45 until gta03 was actually cancelled - i held out hope May 16 10:39:05 but noe its time to face the problem and somehow get an open phone another way May 16 10:39:06 but there is some good sign - om20097 May 16 10:39:14 s/7// May 16 10:39:14 dos1|neo meant: but there is some good sign - om2009 May 16 10:39:15 hmm May 16 10:39:26 i dont quite agree May 16 10:39:49 compare with ASU... May 16 10:40:00 which was epic fail ;p May 16 10:40:12 it was death before it was borned May 16 10:40:29 but - fso team was let go May 16 10:40:36 all softare devs gone May 16 10:40:39 kernel too May 16 10:41:04 to me that means these are the last dying gasps (om2009) May 16 10:41:07 and those are bad signs... May 16 10:41:24 if things change - then cool May 16 10:41:26 great May 16 10:41:31 but i dont see things improving :( May 16 10:41:55 i would like to see what is project b, and if it can help openmoko to change things May 16 10:42:09 wish i could say May 16 10:42:24 but its nothing related to linux or phones May 16 10:42:36 wso i dont see it as anything but a complete change in direction for om May 16 10:42:40 yep, i know May 16 10:42:50 a bit like intel stopping making chips and starting to sell rice. May 16 10:43:00 :) May 16 10:43:36 let's hope they know what they want to do... May 16 10:43:48 (not like before ;p) May 16 10:45:46 to be honest - if intel started to sell rice instead - i would lose completeinterest in what they were ding from then on as it had no more relevance to my life, and for me - openmoko's plan b is similar May 16 10:46:01 they no longer have relevance to what i want, do and like :) May 16 10:46:36 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc065fd2209ad 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: May 16 10:46:36 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] reorder suspend/resume commands May 16 10:46:36 freesmartphone.org: make sure SMS/CB notifications are disabled first, and reenabled last May 16 10:48:20 raster: as i. but i'm thinking, how project b can help om in generalm and to return to open phones after all May 16 10:48:25 but... May 16 10:48:29 i would l May 16 10:48:51 +ike to buy open toaster ;D May 16 10:49:08 that is where i personally believe it will fail miserably May 16 10:49:58 well, i'm going to buy one if it ever hits the market... ) May 16 10:50:10 not for me, but probably for my mother ;) May 16 10:50:35 raster: let's wait... maybe they'll recover... or maybe they'll fail May 16 10:50:53 mickey|breakfast: talking about toaster or project b? May 16 10:50:56 ;D May 16 10:51:40 mickey|breakfast: but you wouldnt buy one for yourself? May 16 10:51:42 (i wouldnt) May 16 10:53:35 raster: peh! You're a big sugar daddy you would buy one for him :-) May 16 10:53:39 mickey|breakfast: Well, you don't disable SMS notifications completely anyway, it's supposed that the modem will emit a notification on incoming message. So it can as well do it during the suspend process, no matter which order the commands have, or am i understanding it wrong? May 16 10:54:02 Ainulindale: no - wouldnt :) May 16 10:54:22 but i have bought a pc, phones, and other such things for my parents May 16 10:54:45 raster: by the way you're still coming back with me to Paris right? May 16 10:54:55 (thinking about car pooling) May 16 10:54:59 Ainulindale: oui! May 16 10:55:15 and keep your drinking pants on May 16 10:55:17 I'll have to hide the double dongs then May 16 10:55:45 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA May 16 11:09:11 mrmoku: i'm thinking... how about images for contacts in opimd? how to add them? May 16 11:09:48 dos1|neo: good question... as link to some file? May 16 11:09:59 as path for file? or something else? May 16 11:10:19 might be remote to? something like http:// May 16 11:10:30 s/to/too/ May 16 11:10:31 mrmoku meant: might be remote too? something like http:// May 16 11:10:45 or file:// if local May 16 11:10:53 looks good May 16 11:11:05 but then... May 16 11:11:11 thing is... how does the contact frontent get them... May 16 11:11:18 s/frontent/frontend/ May 16 11:11:18 mrmoku meant: thing is... how does the contact frontend get them... May 16 11:11:44 i'm selecting file://home/dos/dos.jpg as image for contact dos May 16 11:12:09 should frontends get that path? May 16 11:13:28 or something in /etc/freesmartphone/opim, for cache/pernament storage... May 16 11:13:34 BLOB? May 16 11:13:38 or even binary field... May 16 11:14:16 tmzt: BLOB is UGLY... and won't work with CSV May 16 11:15:49 tmzt: and BLOB excludes having something somewhere remote... May 16 11:16:28 tmzt: no, storing as file path, not as blob May 16 11:16:53 tmzt: i'm asking about apps, which are using opimd May 16 11:17:01 what they should get May 16 11:18:24 hmm... some GetFile to retrieve the file? May 16 11:19:15 mrmoku: maybe some dbus reference to file? May 16 11:19:54 dos1|neo: and have some opimd.File object? May 16 11:20:03 on which you can do Retrieve then? May 16 11:20:12 sounds good to me May 16 11:20:18 mrmoku: something like that May 16 11:20:20 ok May 16 11:20:34 dos1|neo: when will it be ready? :P May 16 11:20:38 but it's some work ;x May 16 11:20:51 mrmoku: not soon... ;p May 16 11:21:09 dos1|neo: though I think that frameworkd does the actual file retrieving is the way to go May 16 11:21:11 or soon, if someone else will work on it May 16 11:21:29 mrmoku: and what do you think about GetAllResults method with queries? aren't that Skip and GetResult slowing down clients? May 16 11:21:29 I could image having some backend that needs authentification... which is not available to the frontend May 16 11:22:28 dos1|neo: well there is GetMultipleResults... May 16 11:22:29 mrmoku: so storing files as backend job.. sounds good May 16 11:22:56 mrmoku: hmm... is it working as expected? ;D May 16 11:23:09 dos1|neo: yep, for contacts yes... using it in efl2 May 16 11:23:21 ok then May 16 11:27:47 dos1|neo: about images May 16 11:27:58 usually I'd say you should use URI for everything pim related May 16 11:28:13 IIRC android does that May 16 11:28:52 it might be interesting for cross references May 16 11:33:25 Ainulindale: so how and where to store it? May 16 11:34:16 That I have no idea :-) May 16 11:34:32 mickey|breakfast: led on almost empty battery should be fixed... May 16 11:34:45 it only blins for few seconds May 16 11:34:46 SHR: 03tom 07shr-themes * r86dd9fb633e3 10/gtk/shr-theme-gtk-e17lookalike/ (17 files): Major rewrite, everything works better now, there are still some issues (minimo expanded toolbar text and pidgin combobox) May 16 11:34:53 dos1|neo, ^ May 16 11:35:03 fixed everything you talked about in pidgin May 16 11:35:04 now i have 5% ;) May 16 11:35:13 even fixed the "connecting..." string May 16 11:35:26 though can't seem to fix the "Available" color May 16 11:35:29 TAsn: thanks :) May 16 11:35:37 my pleasure. ;] May 16 11:35:52 dos1|neo: just store the URI and be done, no? May 16 11:35:52 everything is cooler now actually ;] May 16 11:36:13 I wish there was a "firebug" like app for gnome May 16 11:36:18 gtk+ I mean. May 16 11:36:23 dos1|neo: URI might adress databases or files May 16 11:36:31 dos1|neo: I don't really know what would be easier on you May 16 11:36:35 Or wiser for that matter May 16 11:36:37 so I will be able to see the object+style+inherits from what. May 16 11:36:43 Ainulindale: or dbus objects? May 16 11:36:47 dos1|neo: why not May 16 11:36:56 dos1|neo: you may want to raise the subject on the smartphones ML May 16 11:37:02 Maybe someone already has an idea about that May 16 11:37:18 good idea May 16 11:37:21 * mrmoku is off now... bbl May 16 11:37:29 meanwhile you could work on URI, I think this might be necessary no matter what May 16 11:37:32 meanwhile you could work on URI, I think this might be necessary no matter what May 16 11:37:35 (woops) May 16 11:37:36 i have to subscribe there ;) May 16 11:49:08 Ainulindale: ping May 16 11:59:41 hi. bitbake vala-native fails with an innovative error for me: lt-valac: undefined symbol: vala_code_context_set_profile May 16 12:00:00 Ainulindale: do you still want we work together this afternoon? May 16 12:00:03 any hint as for what am I doing wrong? May 16 12:01:42 (I tried -c clean vala-bootstrap-native; bitbake vala-bootstrap-native and that went through ok) May 16 12:04:53 dent: because it missed vala-bootstrap ? May 16 12:05:22 dent:you need to have vala-bootstrap-native to build vala-native_git May 16 12:05:25 I cleaned vala-bootstrap-native and bitbaked it successfully :-/ May 16 12:05:44 i.e. I have vala-bootstrap-native May 16 12:06:36 I'm using the makefile for updates... haven't there been some messy things with branches going on? I just do make update approx. daily in ~ 2 days I'm stuck with this vala issue May 16 12:08:41 dent: can you tell me please what version numbers do you have in your vala recipes ? May 16 12:10:06 (trying to find it out :) May 16 12:10:54 bitbake vala-native prints: vala-native-0.7.1-fso1-gitr2766+9f435508c571b9b60d4bdd57863f37644d1eecdf May 16 12:11:02 so I uess that's the git revision May 16 12:11:27 I didn't do any vala-related changes in my tree May 16 12:12:05 intone is great :) May 16 12:16:24 dent could please try to rename the vala-bootstreap-native_0.7.1.bb to vala-bootstreap-native_0.7.2.bb May 16 12:16:36 dent: and the same for vala_0.7.1.bb May 16 12:16:38 please May 16 12:16:41 and retry May 16 12:16:57 ptitjes: thanks for tip, gonna try May 16 12:20:04 hm, multitasking between my gf and vala :) May 16 12:36:02 ptitjes: I have the same problem as dent - after renaming should the build order be vala->vala-bootstrap-native->vala-native ? May 16 12:36:40 BillK: vala-bootstrap-native, vala-native, vala May 16 12:36:50 dent: did this work correctly ? May 16 12:36:53 ptitjes: K May 16 12:37:55 nope, same error May 16 12:39:32 but for some reason I still see bitbake trying to build vala-native-0.7.1, so I guess it's an issue between the chair and the keyboard :)) May 16 12:40:00 I renamed the files in shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/vala May 16 13:26:43 SHR: 03tom 07shr-themes * rae06c7d8fed7 10/gtk/shr-theme-gtk-e17lookalike/gtkrc: list selections are now orange, just like in the e17 theme May 16 13:29:33 ptitjes: I see the same as Dent, after rename pulls in vala-native 7.1 and fails. May 16 13:30:05 TAsn: are list selections orange in elementary? May 16 13:30:06 ;) May 16 13:30:14 yes May 16 13:30:22 look at the contact app for instance. May 16 13:30:28 TAsn: it's not elementary May 16 13:30:40 it's evas i think May 16 13:30:43 dos1, I said e17 May 16 13:30:47 tree view May 16 13:30:50 not list May 16 13:30:51 ); May 16 13:31:07 yeah, in gtk it's a treeview as well May 16 13:31:37 I don't tend to put much thought into my commit log info ;] May 16 13:32:22 TAsn: ok. i was just searching something to spank you :> May 16 13:32:31 btw, I need a screenshot of a disabled elementary button May 16 13:32:33 commit logs are for whimps May 16 13:32:39 raster, hey there! ;] May 16 13:32:43 TAsn: boo! May 16 13:32:51 * raster needs to document elementary May 16 13:32:54 TAsn: i think there are no disabled buttons in elementary May 16 13:33:00 raster: are they? May 16 13:33:04 raster, watch scap, I'm trying to make gtk look like e17 ;] May 16 13:33:15 dos1: no - its on the todo to have disabled states for widgets May 16 13:33:16 that's a bitch, since it's buggy. May 16 13:33:22 TAsn: ewwww! May 16 13:33:23 :) May 16 13:33:30 raster, watched the pics? ;] May 16 13:33:31 thats hard May 16 13:33:32 BillK: unfortunately I am of little help on the OE side :( May 16 13:33:36 gtk can only do a subset May 16 13:33:42 raster, that's terribly hard May 16 13:33:47 though the gtkrc is quite nice actually. May 16 13:33:52 BillK: trying to run it on my tree May 16 13:33:59 my biggest issue is a bug in midori May 16 13:34:03 *webkit May 16 13:34:32 raster, anyhow, before you document elementary, commit my patches. May 16 13:34:34 ;] May 16 13:34:49 TAsn: where are you btw? May 16 13:34:50 ptitjes: tkx, hopefully someone who knows enough will trip over it an fix it ... May 16 13:34:55 we need them! (rtl speakers) May 16 13:35:01 raster, here? May 16 13:35:08 or do you mean, what country? May 16 13:35:36 TAsn: yes! May 16 13:35:41 Israel. May 16 13:35:45 TAsn: hahahaha May 16 13:35:49 actually yeah May 16 13:35:50 i will May 16 13:35:59 maybe while i'm on the plane tomorrow May 16 13:36:04 lol, ok ;] May 16 13:36:17 TAsn: oooh. i thought you were and out-of-.il jew! :) May 16 13:36:23 aaah! inside! May 16 13:36:35 ok - that explains the europe-like timezone May 16 13:36:36 raster, I'm not quite jewish actually. May 16 13:36:41 oh - really? May 16 13:36:43 I'm agnostic May 16 13:36:54 aaah May 16 13:36:58 ok not religiously May 16 13:37:01 but ethnically? May 16 13:37:02 but, we speak hebrew here, so I have no choice but fixing hebrew May 16 13:37:14 yeah - makes perfect sense May 16 13:37:16 raster, hm.. ethnically I'm a british jew May 16 13:37:39 my mother is a british jew ;] May 16 13:37:53 my father was born in israel. May 16 13:37:59 aaah ok May 16 13:38:14 and you ended up going back to israel May 16 13:38:17 gotcha May 16 13:38:22 raster, yep. May 16 13:38:39 which in turn, made me speak hebrew. May 16 13:38:58 raster: moooooooooorning :-) May 16 13:39:19 raster: still .au? May 16 13:40:20 TAsn: poor bugger. needing to learn hebrew May 16 13:40:23 so few people speak it May 16 13:40:26 DocScrutinizer: yo! May 16 13:40:33 DocScrutinizer: eh? i havent been in au for 2 weeks May 16 13:40:38 i'm in .kr May 16 13:40:40 raster, yeah, something about 10 mil ;[ May 16 13:40:43 maybe more actually May 16 13:40:50 i'm flying to frankfurt tomorrow May 16 13:40:55 but MAX 30mil. May 16 13:40:59 TAsn: yeah - not many :( May 16 13:41:01 hmm May 16 13:41:04 30mil is decent May 16 13:41:10 raster, nah. May 16 13:41:19 raster: FRA - yeah! :-)) May 16 13:41:22 but in terms of # of peolpe who speak it daily for life May 16 13:41:24 very few May 16 13:41:33 DocScrutinizer: yup - hen braunschweig May 16 13:41:35 then berlin May 16 13:41:38 then i'll see you in essen! May 16 13:41:40 people who speak it daily I would assume about 10mil. May 16 13:42:00 TAsn: really? that many? how many people in .il? May 16 13:42:07 Total speakers 7 million in Israel; May 16 13:42:07 200,000 (approx.) in the United States speak Hebrew at home1 May 16 13:42:09 hmm, might consider joining your Berlin trip May 16 13:42:10 from wiki May 16 13:42:17 oh really?that many in .il? May 16 13:42:25 raster: when you're at Berlin? May 16 13:42:26 and there are more jews who speak hebrew at home in many other countries. May 16 13:42:42 DocScrutinizer: well i get into berlin on the 19th May 16 13:42:55 I guess 10 is an over assessment, but 8 is also a lot. ;] May 16 13:43:00 (but not enough) May 16 13:43:08 and i'll leave again 22nd evening - probably with roh May 16 13:43:23 raster: might take the opportunity to have a B visit, meet some people May 16 13:43:28 anyhow, there are a couple of billions people speaking rtl languages in the world, and that's a force to reckon with. May 16 13:43:32 TAsn: but how many need their phones in hebrew? :) May 16 13:43:41 billions? May 16 13:43:42 really? May 16 13:43:43 raster, their moko? 100. May 16 13:43:50 raster, arabic + farsi + dialects May 16 13:43:53 hmm May 16 13:43:57 that cant be billions May 16 13:44:02 why not? May 16 13:44:10 sec, looking in wikipedia May 16 13:44:21 Total speakers Approx. 280 million native speakers[1] and 250 million non-native speakers[2] May 16 13:44:24 ok, 1 billion. May 16 13:44:24 ;] May 16 13:44:37 oh, 0.5 May 16 13:44:42 I swear I saw 820 mil ;] May 16 13:44:57 yeah May 16 13:45:02 500mil sounds morelike it to me May 16 13:45:13 TAsn: don't you kidding on me, early in the morning! :-) May 16 13:45:30 1 billion just seesm too many May 16 13:45:34 DocScrutinizer, it's not early here. ;] May 16 13:45:40 but the unfortunte thing in the world is May 16 13:45:42 raster, + 70 mil farsi speakers May 16 13:45:51 not how many people speak a lang May 16 13:45:56 its how many $ speak it May 16 13:45:57 :( May 16 13:45:57 my inner clock is superior to GMT May 16 13:45:58 raster, is that only little use the moko? May 16 13:46:04 DocScrutinizer, ;] May 16 13:46:14 TAsn: oh its useful May 16 13:46:16 but of minimal use May 16 13:46:17 :( May 16 13:46:21 the real question is. May 16 13:46:27 if you have rtl text handling May 16 13:46:37 what % of your customers (or userbase) will ned/use it May 16 13:46:51 or will your userbase expand... May 16 13:46:54 so that doesnt include nomadic herdsmen in afghanistan May 16 13:47:02 as they cant afford a moko :) May 16 13:47:06 ;] May 16 13:47:15 well, e isn't only used on a moko May 16 13:47:17 well it will only expand if the aes to expand inot can afford it! :) May 16 13:47:18 raster: you never know May 16 13:47:20 oh sure May 16 13:47:24 absolutely agre May 16 13:47:33 but then they'd also need a pc an use linux... May 16 13:47:39 and I'm pretty sure they have computers in afghanistan May 16 13:47:42 even that is rare in afghanistan :) May 16 13:47:46 sure May 16 13:47:54 raster: they might find use in crypted SMS for their smuggling business ;-D May 16 13:48:01 but 0.001 per capita May 16 13:48:02 raster, I saw in digg that linux reached 2% market share in home pcs. May 16 13:48:11 (number pulled out of my arse) May 16 13:48:17 TAsn: really? May 16 13:48:23 a month ago May 16 13:48:31 not sure how reliable stuff in digg are. May 16 13:48:33 DocScrutinizer: hahahah! May 16 13:48:45 TAsn: how did they measure it? May 16 13:48:54 raster, traffic to websites May 16 13:48:59 which ones? May 16 13:49:02 though the websites were probably tech oriented. May 16 13:49:06 raster, don't remember May 16 13:49:18 eg - traffic to digg will have more linux than to cnn.com May 16 13:49:33 http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linux_Market_Share_Passes_2 May 16 13:49:37 or traffic to enlightenment.org ... will have more % using linux May 16 13:49:57 that's what I said, not sure how reliable it is. May 16 13:50:11 aaah May 16 13:50:20 raster: ping May 16 13:50:43 w3counter May 16 13:50:58 anyhow, I'm just saying... ;] May 16 13:51:14 TAsn: hmm welll... if that is to be believed... more linux that win2k May 16 13:51:16 thats cool May 16 13:51:27 tho it seesm heavly us biased May 16 13:51:29 27% from usa May 16 13:51:37 ;\ May 16 13:51:38 mirko: pongz! May 16 13:51:51 TAsn: where's israel! :) May 16 13:52:01 hmm May 16 13:52:02 raster: i get linking errors while make'ing ecore (latest svn) : http://pb.nanl.de/?show=427 May 16 13:52:06 As I have said before, I think we should stop developing rtl support and start developing weapons to control the world and eliminate rtl langs altogether... May 16 13:52:08 do you have any hint? May 16 13:52:10 looks like their counter is something peolpe add to their site May 16 13:52:23 so it might have a good cross-wite view of thins May 16 13:52:26 raster, we don't have internet. May 16 13:52:29 itmay be one of the better stats then May 16 13:53:27 mirko: uclibc not c99 compliant May 16 13:53:32 # ifdef __USE_ISOC99 May 16 13:53:32 _Exit(0); May 16 13:53:32 # else May 16 13:53:32 _exit(0); May 16 13:53:32 # endif May 16 13:53:37 or it claims May 16 13:53:51 void _Exit(int status); May 16 13:53:51 Feature Test Macro Requirements for glibc (see feature_test_macros(7)): May 16 13:53:51 _Exit(): _XOPEN_SOURCE >= 600 || _ISOC99_SOURCE; or cc -std=c99 May 16 13:55:03 grr May 16 13:55:05 ok, thanks :) May 16 13:55:24 so somewhere someone is saying "ooh look i'm c99!" May 16 13:55:39 but it isnt May 16 13:56:09 thats what i see anyway May 16 13:56:09 :) May 16 13:56:17 ok May 16 13:56:21 sleepies time May 16 13:56:26 me gots much flying to do May 16 13:56:35 mirko: see u at fsoshrudcon May 16 13:56:36 :) May 16 13:56:50 raster, you travel A LOT! May 16 13:57:00 raster: hu? May 16 13:57:05 raster: where is it? May 16 13:57:06 anyhow, enjoy your sleep. May 16 13:57:12 raster: you mean mirko-paroli? ;) May 16 13:57:28 however - you raised my interest :) May 16 13:57:30 I'm going to take a nap as well. May 16 13:57:32 TAsn: until he develop in plane, it's ok :D May 16 13:57:46 mirko: you arent going? May 16 13:57:55 TAsn: yeah. airlines like me May 16 13:58:00 raster, as dos1 said mirok!=mirko-paroli May 16 13:58:02 raster: mirko != mirko-paroli i think May 16 13:58:05 ;p May 16 13:58:06 and my frequent flier miles balance shows it May 16 13:58:12 raster, ;] May 16 13:58:18 dos1: damn! i did crap! May 16 13:58:29 how dare i confuse the mirkos May 16 13:58:45 Bleeeeh. May 16 13:58:49 raster, just go to sleep and apply my patches ;] May 16 13:58:53 i'm the openwrt-mirko :) May 16 13:58:54 yeah May 16 13:58:57 in the plane May 16 13:58:57 raster: ping me when in FRA! :-) May 16 13:59:02 i hope lufthansa doesnt suck May 16 13:59:04 raster: where take it place? May 16 13:59:12 i havent flown them for YEEEAAAAAAAAAARS May 16 13:59:19 lufthansa? May 16 13:59:26 mirko: essen, 22-24 may May 16 13:59:34 ah, germany May 16 13:59:36 kewl May 16 13:59:40 in poland some politic has "adventure" with lufthansa May 16 13:59:42 dos1: german airline May 16 13:59:53 raster: i know ;) media liked that story May 16 13:59:53 DocScrutinizer: dude.give me your .de ph # May 16 14:00:05 sure May 16 14:00:13 he screamed "help! german is biting me!" :P May 16 14:00:39 s/politic has/politic had/ May 16 14:00:53 btw May 16 14:01:13 next FSOSHRUDCON is taking place in israel May 16 14:01:20 I welcome you all to come ;] May 16 14:01:45 http://www.warsawvoice.pl/view/19848 May 16 14:02:02 hahahah May 16 14:02:20 TAsn: hmmm... that might finally present an excuse t go to that corner of the world May 16 14:03:00 i've never been east of greece. (well between athens and singapore for me is a blank spot on the map of my travels) May 16 14:03:20 okay May 16 14:03:22 sleepies! May 16 14:03:24 nite homes! May 16 14:07:05 little semi-offtopic, dos1 you are from Poland, yes? Do you know russian? ok, even if no, I want invite you to lvee.org, it just 15km from Poland in Belarus May 16 14:09:50 raster: May 16 14:09:50 #include May 16 14:09:50 [..] May 16 14:09:50 #ifndef HAVE_ABSTRACT_SOCKETS May 16 14:09:50 #include May 16 14:09:53 #endif May 16 14:09:56 ;) May 16 14:12:05 oh, sry, my fault - there was a patch which added the 1st line, because it was missing in prior versions May 16 14:13:26 mirko: raster's asleep May 16 14:14:48 finally he is? :) May 16 14:14:55 anyway it was my fault May 16 14:17:09 mwester: @all: what's general experience with soldering USB-cable? see my comment of ~10h ago - USB enum broke on removing (not breaking!) 10mm of cable shielding, even when I made the wires run absolutely in parallel on this short distance :-( May 16 14:17:51 this was from FR to USB-kbd, so NO usb2.0 May 16 14:18:18 DocScrutinizer: yeah, saw that, wanted to comment on it later. I'm completely puzzled at this. I saw 1m cables working without any shielding... May 16 14:18:20 really strange, at least quite unexpected May 16 14:19:01 PaulFertser: k, thanks. So I will give it further tests and care May 16 14:20:26 DocScrutinizer: i can make a photo of my ad-hoc usb-uart converter, it does have >10mm unshielded wires too. May 16 14:21:16 PaulFertser: thanks a lot. not really needed tho :-) I believe you without a proof for this May 16 14:22:17 maybe a unnoticed broke anything beyond shielding - e.g. the GND wire which I pierced with a pin to contact it May 16 14:23:05 (usually a very convenient method to probe wires voltage) May 16 14:23:30 DocScrutinizer: probably my case is different but i don't see it... :) Photos will come a bit later :) May 16 14:25:24 DocScrutinizer, I have one cable that works just fine, it has approx 7mm with no shielding. May 16 14:25:48 mwester: thanks May 16 14:26:51 A habit from my ham radio days; all experimental cables have the shield connected only at one end. May 16 14:34:13 max_posedon: sorry, i was away... i think it's not possible now - i'm only 16 years old... i would like to be at FSOSHRUDCON too, but i can't ATM :( May 16 14:35:22 dos1: how being 16 years old can influence that? May 16 14:35:47 PaulFertser: parents? i can't travel on my own. May 16 14:35:49 DocScrutinizer: I think i was wrong, that 1m cable was shielded... May 16 14:36:32 dos1: Ah, i forgot about international borders. Stupid borders everywhere :-/ May 16 14:36:45 HI All May 16 14:36:50 mwester: a good suggestion :-) thanks May 16 14:37:01 PaulFertser: as is mine May 16 14:38:01 dos1: e.g. visa problems? or parents prefer travel with you? both can be fixed May 16 14:38:14 it's the 5-pole mini-B-F to mini-B-M extension cable, and I removed the shielding for 10mm to cut the ID-pin wire May 16 14:39:10 and I pierced the lack GND cable to probe the resistence from ID to GND for various adapters/chargers May 16 14:39:24 s/lack/black/ May 16 14:39:24 DocScrutinizer meant: and I pierced the black GND cable to probe the resistence from ID to GND for various adapters/chargers May 16 14:40:24 I also tested reaction of FR wrt to different Ohms there (well, actually only short-to-GND, 47.5K, and OC) May 16 14:41:07 dos1: send me plz another one time the example of dbus python code to add contacts to opimd May 16 14:41:40 the USB-kbd worked great with a non-tampered 5-pole extension, but didn't enumerate with the above mentioned mods May 16 14:42:37 it's really strange May 16 14:43:34 anyway, have a nice Saturday folks! Gonna get me some breakfast now May 16 14:43:37 cya May 16 14:47:57 WTF? patches on frameworkd recipe? May 16 14:47:58 DocScrutinizer: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/backside-usbuart.jpg (holes are 2.54 apart) May 16 14:48:02 dbus-cache.py? May 16 14:48:22 freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07specs * r99e5add87a14 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): May 16 14:48:22 freesmartphone.org: Fix errordomain and namespace clashes May 16 14:48:22 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes May 16 14:48:38 freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * ra8e9b551fddd 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: May 16 14:48:38 freesmartphone.org: Fix errordomain & namespace name clashes May 16 14:48:38 freesmartphone.org: - Introduce fso:no-container boolean attribute May 16 14:48:38 freesmartphone.org: (i.e. errordomain has no proper name) May 16 14:48:38 freesmartphone.org: - Compute names accordingly May 16 14:48:41 freesmartphone.org: - Adds error_name_index for the indexing of errordomains May 16 14:48:43 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes May 16 14:51:29 PaulFertser: mine isn't any worse I'd say May 16 14:53:07 Q-Master: wait a moment, working on it ;) May 16 14:53:20 dos1: thnx May 16 14:53:30 DocScrutinizer: i've another device that worked with usb mouse and it has just 4 separated wires of 10-15 cm. I'll take a photo a bit later, after you have your breakfast :) May 16 14:54:07 mickey|breakfast: how long you have your breakfast? :x May 16 14:54:19 8) May 16 14:54:46 So, nobody to speak about fields in opimd? May 16 14:56:30 Hello. I compiled Enlightenment, but I can't start it. Can anyone look at this and tell me how to trace down what is causing this linking? May 16 14:56:32 http://pastebin.com/d448d2d8d May 16 15:02:25 /usr/lib/libedje-ver-pre-svn-01.so.0.9.92 seems to have this problem, too May 16 15:02:31 Q-Master: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/svn/trunk/opimd/ May 16 15:03:08 Ah, shoot me, fixed it May 16 15:08:39 freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07specs * r29d23b8558df 10/org.freesmartphone.Usage/ (2 files): May 16 15:08:39 freesmartphone.org: Add errors for Usage and Resource May 16 15:08:39 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes May 16 15:10:18 dos1: heh. cool. 8) May 16 15:10:37 mickey|breakfast: vala-dbus-binding-tool is now enhanced to manage errors better, I added a "no-container" attribute to specify that, see the updated specs May 16 15:13:32 Q-Master: it's rewritten. it needs some comments in code, but later ;) May 16 15:14:14 anyway the "Phone" and "Name" fields are not enough May 16 15:14:15 8) May 16 15:25:10 Q-Master: yep. there should be Surname as well! :D May 16 15:25:21 hehe May 16 15:25:50 dos1: you're evil. 8) May 16 15:42:58 freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * r550912599543 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: May 16 15:42:58 freesmartphone.org: Introduce a temporary hack before type parse enhancements May 16 15:42:58 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes May 16 15:43:12 yeah I know it is dirty May 16 15:44:03 freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07specs * r4f531f91a9fa 10/org.freesmartphone.Usage/org.freesmartphone.Usage.xml.in: May 16 15:44:03 freesmartphone.org: Introduce ResourceName enumeration May 16 15:44:03 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes May 16 15:45:48 freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r9cca6ed6b66c 10/src/ (3 files): May 16 15:45:48 freesmartphone.org: Regenerate with UsageError, ResourceError and ResourceName May 16 15:45:48 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes May 16 15:52:46 hi guys May 16 15:53:21 is there qt 4.5 available for openembedded? May 16 15:53:42 gentoo has it May 16 15:55:30 ... May 16 15:58:04 BillK, dent: in shr/openembedded/conf/distro/include/shr-autorev-unstable.inc replace 0.7.1 by 0.7.2 and in openembeded/recipes/vala/vala-native_git.bb too May 16 16:07:36 anybody? May 16 16:13:16 does anyone have a functioning recent openembedded? May 16 16:13:31 Ainulindale i know you co May 16 16:13:35 *do May 16 16:17:26 * onen|openBmap happy, openBmap locates me 450 m from home :-) May 16 16:19:31 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview <--- very green ;] May 16 16:22:07 tracfeed: Ticket #200 ([Illume-keyboard] The numeric keyboard should only contain numbers) reopened May 16 16:41:44 SHR: 03ptitjes 07ophonekitd * r313474548863 10/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Make use of UsageError and ResourceName and implement UsageService May 16 16:42:00 et voilà May 16 16:47:14 SHR: 03ptitjes 07ophonekitd * rc62c57f289b7 10/src/ (ophonekitd-idle-suspend.vala ophonekitd-phonegui.vala): Fix missing DBus.Error handlers May 16 16:52:45 TAsn: ping May 16 16:53:41 mrmoku, ? May 16 16:55:02 TAsn: pyphonelog crashes... though for a different reason as thought initially May 16 16:55:05 moment... May 16 16:55:53 dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled: Resource Device is not enabled, current status is 'suspending' May 16 16:56:09 what does it do with dbus???? May 16 16:56:26 (and why is that damn resource not enabled ;) May 16 16:57:14 hm.. it does a lot with dbus (contact gathering for one) May 16 16:57:19 sec, let me check what's wrong. May 16 16:57:23 hehe... sure May 16 16:57:36 no... don't have to check... I thought it would be a problem with db May 16 16:57:41 though my GSM is disabled :( May 16 16:57:45 have to check that May 16 16:58:35 ok May 16 16:58:39 this is the issue then May 16 16:58:53 it also tries to listen to calls. May 16 16:58:56 to update at real time May 16 16:59:08 (even if disabled by the option) May 16 16:59:26 (this whole pyphonelog is a giant hack) May 16 16:59:59 TAsn: you hacker ;) May 16 17:00:32 oh wait May 16 17:00:35 no I was wrong May 16 17:00:42 it shouldn't have connected to gsm May 16 17:00:47 (unless you have it on in config) May 16 17:01:07 do you have auto_refresh set? May 16 17:01:50 TAsn: didn't touch the config... did not even remember it has one :P May 16 17:01:58 ;] May 16 17:02:02 ~/.phonelog iirc May 16 17:02:10 sec, adding some error handling. May 16 17:02:16 is pyphonelog in autorev? May 16 17:02:47 mrmoku: ok I have gobject-introspection failing not finding cairo, freetype, etc... May 16 17:02:56 mrmoku: do you have the same ? May 16 17:03:08 TAsn: yep autorev May 16 17:03:23 ptitjes: no... had other errors May 16 17:03:23 ok May 16 17:03:32 though I only tried the -native one May 16 17:03:46 I do the native one :) May 16 17:03:49 might find my systems ones... May 16 17:04:17 mah... this gobject-introspection thingie is a hell of a beast ;) May 16 17:04:30 why does it depend on stuff like cairo and freetype? May 16 17:05:12 mrmoku: in fact it should not but until the projects host their gir file, they process it in the gobject-introspection itself May 16 17:05:57 hehe, so theoretically it would depend on any possible lib now? May 16 17:06:35 mrmoku: removing the 'gir' subdir in root makefile would fix it I think May 16 17:10:09 ptitjes: I still get the same error with vala-native May 16 17:10:12 compiler/.libs/lt-valac: undefined symbol: vala_code_context_set_profile May 16 17:11:19 I rebuilt vala-bootstrap-native with 0.7.2... and tried to build vala-native from pending-upstream-move May 16 17:11:35 brb May 16 17:11:48 mrmoku, I think I fixed it May 16 17:11:50 mind checking? May 16 17:11:56 (newest commit) May 16 17:12:03 just get the src/phonelog May 16 17:12:05 and run it. May 16 17:16:31 SHR: 03dos 07shr-overlay * r2bc31ba4b745 10/patches/frameworkd/0001-remove-dbuscache-patch.patch: patches: fix frameworkd building May 16 17:17:14 mrmoku: I don't have it it compiles well May 16 17:17:18 here May 16 17:17:25 in oe May 16 17:17:45 are you uptodate ? May 16 17:17:46 :) May 16 17:18:07 mrmoku: vala git changed recently May 16 17:20:06 mrmoku: you can build frameworkd now ;) May 16 17:25:10 ptitjes: 9f435508c571b9b60d4bdd57863f37644d1eecdf May 16 17:25:12 is that current? May 16 17:25:24 TAsn: ok, will do May 16 17:25:28 dos1: ok, will do :P May 16 17:25:46 mrmoku: this is May 16 17:26:18 ;] May 16 17:26:29 mrmoku: and frameworkd-config-shr. and shr-settings if you want (in repo is old version) May 16 17:26:39 the same with shr-theme-gtk-e17lookalike, there is old version May 16 17:27:07 but must have for today are frameworkd and frameworkd-config-shr :) May 16 17:27:52 TAsn, mrmoku: do you have splitted messages in your inbox? May 16 17:28:06 dos1: lots of them :P May 16 17:28:17 mrmoku: (g-i) do you have that: ValueError: Invalid include path 'system/home/didier/SHR/shr-unstable/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/include' ? May 16 17:28:32 ptitjes: yep... that's the error I have :) May 16 17:28:37 dos1, no. May 16 17:28:47 ptitjes: well... not with didier in the path though ;) May 16 17:28:53 mrmoku: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/svn/trunk/opimd/pimm-gui.py May 16 17:29:04 TAsn: nop... same error May 16 17:29:06 oki there is a "-isystem/home/didier/SHR/shr-unstable/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/usr/include" that is in CCPFLAGS May 16 17:29:24 mrmoku: this is the things that makes g-ir-scanner sucks May 16 17:29:33 mrmoku: but I don't know where this comes from May 16 17:29:36 mrmoku: can you test it? it's some kind of excersice for me before implementing it in opimd ;) May 16 17:29:46 mrmoku, bah. what line? May 16 17:29:49 dos1: what should I do? May 16 17:29:53 mrmoku: obviously the "system" here should not be there May 16 17:30:07 File "./phonelog", line 527, in initContacts May 16 17:30:08 well anyhow I don't have time to handle this now :( wasted all my time on the theme, I have to do h.w atm. May 16 17:30:18 TAsn: ok :) May 16 17:30:29 mrmoku: just run it. if it displays only blank screen, run it with "./pimm-gui.py init" May 16 17:30:30 ptitjes: yep... should not be there May 16 17:30:37 (will do InitAllResources) May 16 17:30:50 mrmoku: do you have a hint of who could produce that ? oe ? May 16 17:30:51 mrmoku: it's just simple message app using elementary and opimd May 16 17:32:02 mrmoku: found it: May 16 17:32:04 conf/bitbake.conf:export BUILD_CPPFLAGS = "-isystem${STAGING_INCDIR_NATIVE}" May 16 17:32:04 conf/bitbake.conf:export TARGET_CPPFLAGS = "-isystem${STAGING_DIR_TARGET}${layout_includedir}" May 16 17:32:50 mrmoku: is that normal ? May 16 17:33:07 did some tests/videos when running openmoko apps using ssh -X May 16 17:33:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDv_Hb8Qc4Q May 16 17:33:35 dos1: does not show anything May 16 17:33:38 dos1: even with init May 16 17:33:52 mrmoku: hmm... what it returns? May 16 17:33:54 dos1: and even after doing InitAllEntries in cli-frameworkd May 16 17:34:04 Querying... May 16 17:34:04 Query: /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/Queries/2 May 16 17:34:04 Numer of results: 0 May 16 17:34:16 dos1: have to eat now May 16 17:34:22 mrmoku: cat /var/log/frameworkd.log | grep opimd May 16 17:34:29 ptitjes: don't know if its normal May 16 17:34:36 dos1: sorry family calling... bbiab May 16 17:34:40 mrmoku: ok May 16 17:34:42 mrmoku: have a nice dinner May 16 17:34:43 awesome, last night's kernel update goes oops when you unload/reload the ar6000 so you can get the damned wireless back up May 16 17:34:59 here's the other one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUYBM8dc63c (pyphonelog) May 16 17:35:16 openmoko-messages displays in a small screen which I can't resize thought May 16 17:35:29 mrmoku: oh... i know what it can be... wait for frameworkd update :) May 16 17:40:52 oooooh May 16 17:40:58 in repo frameworkd has version 1365 May 16 17:41:05 in git there is 1381 May 16 17:52:53 http://tinderbox.openembedded.org/public/logs/5248417.txt May 16 17:53:18 ecore-native is failing... May 16 17:58:41 DocScrutinizer: here's photo of long (>10cm) unshielded usb wires: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/long-usb-unshielded.jpg there's a usb hub on board and i connected a mouse to the receptable and it worked as expected. May 16 17:59:32 dos1: now... I will change that :P May 16 17:59:48 ptitjes: thanks... just had some bread :) May 16 18:00:36 no really ? May 16 18:00:48 mrmoku: because you arrived too late at the table ?? May 16 18:01:02 mrmoku: wow your wife is hard with you!! May 16 18:01:05 :) May 16 18:01:10 ptitjes: hehe... no May 16 18:01:17 ptitjes: bread for all of us May 16 18:01:18 ;D May 16 18:01:46 :( May 16 18:02:21 ptitjes: nah... quite normal here in germany :) May 16 18:02:26 PaulFertser: thanks. Hey amazing device :-) multi-IO? May 16 18:02:40 wow we must take some food with us then ? May 16 18:02:51 :D May 16 18:03:10 ptitjes: yeah... better poot some snails in your bag ;)( May 16 18:03:18 s/poot/put/ May 16 18:03:19 mrmoku meant: ptitjes: yeah... better put some snails in your bag ;)( May 16 18:03:28 mrmoku: do you have the exact error message for g-i please ? May 16 18:03:53 ok I forgot I pasted it here May 16 18:03:57 wtf... now even frameworkd does not build :( May 16 18:04:03 ptitjes: :) May 16 18:04:20 mrmoku: make update May 16 18:04:24 mrmoku: changing -isystem by -I is ok May 16 18:04:28 mrmoku: i've commited patch for it :P May 16 18:04:41 DocScrutinizer: actually it's an extremely crappy designed (by some retarded students probably) device i was hired to write firmware for. The device can measure ADC on 24 lines, has many RGB leds, 24 controllable relays. It was supposed to be a module to interface car's hardware (buttons, lights, radio antenna motor etc) with a car-PC. May 16 18:04:43 mrmoku: I submited a bug upstream but in the meanwhile this does May 16 18:04:52 mrmoku: but then I have another error May 16 18:05:10 dos1: ahh.. ok May 16 18:05:29 PaulFertser: *shudder* May 16 18:05:34 mrmoku: ld: unrecognized option '-pthread' May 16 18:05:34 hehe... removed that patch by hand, before you said so ;) May 16 18:05:46 mrmoku: my patch is removing really ugly patch added to fso/milestone5.5... May 16 18:06:04 PaulFertser: U know, I've been in automotive for a while. This doesn't look like automotive anyway May 16 18:06:05 ptitjes: in conf/bitbake.conf? May 16 18:06:13 mrmoku: and FYI there is guy on #oe that tried to make a recipe too for poky. it is RP (its pseudo) May 16 18:06:20 mrmoku: yeah May 16 18:06:48 PaulFertser: hope it wasn't planned to control brakes and steering as well ;-D May 16 18:07:01 DocScrutinizer: amateur design... But judging from other folks's experience even regular PC can live a long live inside a car, so... May 16 18:07:15 DocScrutinizer: sure not :) May 16 18:07:20 ptitjes: poky? May 16 18:07:30 yep May 16 18:07:40 its nick is RP May 16 18:07:52 PaulFertser: can live a long live, experiencing a *lot* of lockups and unexplainable malfunctions ;-) May 16 18:07:54 see recent discussion on #oe May 16 18:08:16 ptitjes: yeah, but what is poky? May 16 18:08:23 [7:55pm] May 16 18:08:23 ptitjes: http://git.pokylinux.org/cgit.cgi/poky/commit/?id=90208115c07a0e8c4cbffce0a846db920619c7c2 May 16 18:08:33 mrmoku: a distro May 16 18:08:43 ahh, ok :) May 16 18:08:47 :) May 16 18:09:04 ptitjes: we could just wait for him... too finish :P May 16 18:09:11 s/too/to/ May 16 18:09:11 mrmoku meant: ptitjes: we could just wait for him... to finish :P May 16 18:09:13 humm May 16 18:09:24 we could yes May 16 18:09:29 :( May 16 18:09:38 it seems he droped the idea May 16 18:10:26 uhh.. than we might have to wait for tooo long ;) May 16 18:10:38 better we get it done ourselves then May 16 18:12:21 ptitjes: hi May 16 18:12:28 hello onen May 16 18:12:57 ptitjes: I am listing available FRs and operators for next weekend trip May 16 18:13:28 ptitjes: how many FRs will you have, do they have openBmap, and what SIM operators do you have? May 16 18:13:53 onen|openBmap: 1 - no openbmap I think - SFR May 16 18:14:02 ptitjes: I will have one, with orange May 16 18:14:19 ptitjes: what no openBmap :-( !!!???! May 16 18:14:24 :D May 16 18:14:30 ptitjes: how do you plan to have data for ologicd??? May 16 18:14:32 ptitjes: :P May 16 18:14:40 onen|openBmap: my FR is quite spleeping in fact May 16 18:14:53 ptitjes: what do you mean? May 16 18:15:12 I tried unstable three days ago May 16 18:15:16 it failed May 16 18:15:24 I had calls to make for work May 16 18:15:35 changed my phone May 16 18:15:36 end of the story May 16 18:15:38 :) May 16 18:15:38 TAsn: thanks, tangoGPS looks really good with your theme :) May 16 18:15:49 hehe ;] tried the latest rev? May 16 18:15:54 TAsn: yep May 16 18:15:56 ;] May 16 18:16:14 there are still three issues, two are there because I suck May 16 18:16:20 one is not my fault May 16 18:16:23 mrmoku: I must go now May 16 18:16:26 ptitjes: he he, I do not use FR as my everyday phone :( so no missed calls :) (at least not too much with crappy windows mobile :( ) May 16 18:16:40 if there are any gtkrc experts here, please make a sound. May 16 18:16:40 ptitjes: cu then May 16 18:16:44 mrmoku: for you to know: May 16 18:16:49 ptitjes: hope you will get you phone in shape for logging next week ;-) May 16 18:16:59 mrmoku: ophonekitd is completely implemented since this afternoon May 16 18:17:06 mrmoku: no missing thing May 16 18:17:13 ptitjes: by the way, I have a working dbus service to get you location out of your gsm data :-) May 16 18:17:16 mrmoku: I'll do an announce mail tomorw May 16 18:17:24 ptitjes: will try to get it built then... May 16 18:17:28 mrmoku: I'd like it to build and run however May 16 18:17:29 ptitjes: bye May 16 18:17:31 btw dos1 does it feel "heavier?" May 16 18:17:32 :) May 16 18:17:44 *yawn* May 16 18:17:53 TAsn: than old revision or default non-theme? May 16 18:17:59 non-theme May 16 18:18:08 Ainulindale: nah... wake up ;) May 16 18:18:15 I'm 100% sure it's lighter than old revision. May 16 18:18:32 mrmoku: well I just woke up there May 16 18:18:37 I was feeling a bit dizzy May 16 18:18:46 TAsn: not too much, my impressions are good :) May 16 18:18:47 Ainulindale: org.shr.Usage is implemented now, there no missing stuff in ophoneitd rewrite, will do a mail tomorow (and try to make it build finaly before) May 16 18:18:59 have a nice night everybody May 16 18:19:05 dos1, btw, as you see, I can't seem to fix that prelight issue May 16 18:19:09 (in terminal) May 16 18:19:14 Ainulindale: hi. same question as for ptitjes: I am listing available FRs and operators for next weekend trip. how many FRs will you have, do they have openBmap, and what SIM operators do you have? May 16 18:19:17 though it's not my fault really (or is it?) May 16 18:19:26 the prelight should look the same as normal May 16 18:19:32 though for some reason the normal is gray May 16 18:19:35 and not painted correctly. May 16 18:19:36 ;\ May 16 18:19:48 hm.. I have an idea, sec. May 16 18:20:11 onen|openBmap: 3 phones (one GTA01). Only 1 SIM, SFR. No OpenBMAP as I know it's not working properly :-) May 16 18:20:38 Ainulindale: what not working properly??? May 16 18:20:46 onen|openBmap: just joking :-) May 16 18:20:57 nope, no go. May 16 18:21:00 * onen|openBmap spanks Ainulindale for spreading FUD May 16 18:21:04 Never used it anyway May 16 18:21:23 i'll guess I'll have to look at terminal's code when I have the time. May 16 18:21:26 cya for now. May 16 18:21:47 Ainulindale: it would be nice if you would use it, at least for the trip. we could gather a lot of data May 16 18:21:58 onen|openBmap: well you have a week to try & convince me May 16 18:22:11 Ainulindale: if you don't, I will kiss you May 16 18:22:26 I'm unkissable May 16 18:22:29 Too hairy for that May 16 18:22:36 I'm not afraid by your empty threats! May 16 18:22:47 Ainulindale: ok ok, if I pay you? May 16 18:22:48 Anyway, going back to bed to read for a while :-) May 16 18:22:57 Ainulindale: I have some Francs left here May 16 18:23:03 Pfff :-) May 16 18:23:05 Ainulindale: ok bye May 16 18:23:05 See you later May 16 18:23:09 Ainulindale: have to go too May 16 18:23:14 bye everyone May 16 18:23:46 dos1, TAsn, [see the ,] built frameworkd and the gtk theme... syncing it now May 16 18:24:18 mrmoku, hehe, thanks a lot, for both the theme and the ',' May 16 18:24:19 ;] May 16 18:24:23 mrmoku, TAsn: for multiple refering i prefer my version :P May 16 18:24:32 TAsn, manually though (,) May 16 18:24:39 mrmoku, I figured. May 16 18:24:40 ;] May 16 18:24:42 i agree that mrmoku: TAsn: looks ugly May 16 18:24:50 but TAsn: looks good May 16 18:24:52 ok synced May 16 18:24:57 and mrmoku, TAsn: looks also good May 16 18:24:58 dos1, you may have a point there, I'll have to consider it. May 16 18:25:03 TAsn, dos1 said you are ugly... is that correct? :P May 16 18:25:18 (the multi reference) May 16 18:25:32 mrmoku, yep ;[ May 16 18:25:37 :P May 16 18:25:40 brb May 16 18:26:11 * TAsn only did one question out of 12. May 16 18:26:13 cya. May 16 18:30:33 * dos1 is writing mail about opimd :P May 16 18:31:01 DocScrutinizer: do you think i've missed the fun not following gta03 ML? May 16 18:31:56 nah, the real fun ended when internal gta03 list stalled some months ago May 16 18:32:49 as mentioned in #om, I#m not very enthusiastic about gta03/02-core-foo May 16 18:33:33 Isuggested repeatedly to publish schem of gta03, alas it seems that won't happen any time soon May 16 18:33:58 DocScrutinizer: any particular reasons (that you can publicly tell)? May 16 18:34:42 not that I know of. probably Sean doesn't want to simply give away all the good work, as long as OM doesn't sell the device May 16 18:35:17 sorry have to run now... May 16 18:35:41 Ah, sure May 16 18:35:44 :) May 16 18:35:54 4 min was long time ago btw. May 16 18:49:31 even longer now - gnah always he same. my friends are used to it I hope May 16 18:59:02 dos1: hmm... updated frameworkd... restarted all... and retried you pim thingie May 16 18:59:12 no messages... but in efl frontent I have them May 16 18:59:25 mrmoku: even after init? May 16 18:59:26 s/frontent/frontend/ May 16 18:59:26 mrmoku meant: no messages... but in efl frontend I have them May 16 18:59:31 dos1: yep May 16 18:59:49 mrmoku: cat /var/log/frameworkd.log | grep opimd May 16 19:00:31 dos1: ok... it's the init in pimm-gui that is broken May 16 19:00:42 after doing InitAllEntries in cli-frameworkd it works now May 16 19:00:49 mrmoku: ok May 16 19:00:58 * Q-Master is watching to eurovision on tv May 16 19:01:35 Q-Master: that's gay ;) May 16 19:02:10 dos1: and guess what.... split messages are combined just nicely :D May 16 19:04:03 mrmoku, really? ;] May 16 19:04:12 what do I need to get that? May 16 19:04:17 yep :) May 16 19:04:23 TAsn: need some patience ;) May 16 19:04:27 shit. May 16 19:04:40 oh, but only through pimm-gui May 16 19:04:47 Q-Master: no offence meant May 16 19:04:54 yep... efl2 does not do messages yet May 16 19:05:00 will change that soon now May 16 19:05:09 mrmoku, ;] May 16 19:05:14 want to finish the message receipt first though May 16 19:05:17 please make it per contact chat style. May 16 19:05:23 ;] May 16 19:05:30 TAsn: hehe... no ;) May 16 19:05:35 why not? ;[ May 16 19:06:02 because in the first step I want to just replace the source... no UI changes May 16 19:06:06 well, that's what I like about open source, I can fix your errors myself ;] May 16 19:06:25 I'll make it chat style when it'll bother me enough... ;] May 16 19:06:39 TAsn: btw... what do you intend by 'chat style' ? May 16 19:06:53 mrmoku, pidgin/pimm-gui May 16 19:07:03 I like the balloons May 16 19:07:11 just make them point the other way May 16 19:07:15 have the messages included in the list? May 16 19:07:22 PaulFertser: while drinking some beer that fits. 8) May 16 19:07:42 mrmoku, just like pidgin May 16 19:07:44 I have 3 litre of Lakinskoe unfiltered May 16 19:07:45 a per user window May 16 19:07:56 and all the msg history there May 16 19:07:59 mrmoku: like in 2007.2 May 16 19:08:21 mrmoku: or as later used in iPhone :P May 16 19:08:23 just as a bonus, I would like to see it themed like the balloons in pimm-gui May 16 19:08:56 with just one/two differences May 16 19:09:13 hehe. that will be great May 16 19:09:17 I want my balloons to have their pointy corner pointed left May 16 19:09:44 and the other side's balloons pointy corner pointing right. May 16 19:09:44 TAsn: that's 2-4 lines in code to change that ;) May 16 19:09:52 dos1, I know. May 16 19:10:03 oh, and also drop the number/name as put it in window title. May 16 19:10:16 TAsn: but now it's only test app May 16 19:10:20 dos1, I know. May 16 19:10:25 i will do it, as i want it too ;) May 16 19:10:26 I don't want python apps anyway ;] May 16 19:10:34 (hm.. pyphonelog) May 16 19:10:55 that's the worst app I've ever written. May 16 19:10:56 by far. May 16 19:11:16 TAsn: don't assume I know pidgin ;) May 16 19:11:23 mrmoku, oh, right May 16 19:11:27 you like text iface May 16 19:11:30 dos1: don't assume I know 2007.2 ;) May 16 19:11:32 hm... like irssi May 16 19:11:33 ? May 16 19:11:33 ;] May 16 19:11:45 oh... yeah... like irssi May 16 19:11:51 I know irssi... I love irssi May 16 19:11:53 :) May 16 19:11:54 ;] May 16 19:12:00 what's wrong with xchat?! May 16 19:12:18 hmm... nothing May 16 19:12:22 works nice on the neo May 16 19:12:40 but for doing text chat... I just need text May 16 19:12:45 so a console is fine May 16 19:12:46 xchat roxx 8) May 16 19:13:00 and in combination with my bip server... irssi rocks :D May 16 19:13:56 TAsn: though... I used pidgin this morning for the first time May 16 19:14:14 bip server? May 16 19:14:27 anyhow, consoles are a hassle with utf-8 May 16 19:14:27 and IIRC how it was I don't get how you would like the messages list to look like May 16 19:14:34 TAsn: no May 16 19:14:36 no hassle May 16 19:14:41 I like gnome-terminal, don't want to install nothing else May 16 19:14:46 and gnome-terminal sucks with utf-8 May 16 19:14:57 not only with utf-8 ;) May 16 19:15:01 ;] May 16 19:15:03 agreed. May 16 19:15:13 I'm using Terminal... the one from xfce4 May 16 19:15:15 quite nice May 16 19:15:19 yeah. May 16 19:15:24 * Q-Master is not using gnome May 16 19:15:29 I remember it vaguely. May 16 19:16:00 TAsn: so... how should it look like in your opinion? May 16 19:16:01 Q-Master, I use gnome on my pc, and after raster recommended, I use e17 on my laptop. May 16 19:16:14 mrmoku, have you seen pimm-gui May 16 19:16:15 ? May 16 19:16:15 TAsn: ahh... another question May 16 19:16:20 TAsn: have you ever tried any tiling WM? May 16 19:16:20 TAsn: yep May 16 19:16:20 TAsn: heh. I am using kde3 May 16 19:16:34 even better, please up a screenie, because it doesn't work here May 16 19:16:39 TAsn: to get finger scrolling with gtk apps... libmokoui is all we need? May 16 19:16:45 I'll gimp your screenie to the way I like. May 16 19:16:46 mrmoku: oh, i know, it was checking wrong argument to be "init" May 16 19:17:01 mrmoku, libmokoui2 May 16 19:17:01 yeah. May 16 19:17:02 dos1: :) May 16 19:17:05 mrmoku: "./pimm-gui.py blahblah init" should work ;) May 16 19:17:12 but don't do it again May 16 19:17:12 ok built it May 16 19:17:21 PaulFertser, no May 16 19:17:22 messages still has bug about duplicating May 16 19:17:26 why would I want to do that? ;] May 16 19:17:30 TAsn: have no screenie app installed May 16 19:17:39 dos1, mind upping a screenie? May 16 19:17:41 TAsn: once i tried, i don't want to go back to the flawed WIMP paradigm. May 16 19:17:52 wimp? May 16 19:18:14 TAsn: screen of what? May 16 19:18:21 pimm-gui with messages May 16 19:18:25 TAsn: in pimm-gui you have the name of the sender and under it the message in a bubble May 16 19:18:36 mrmoku, no, that's bad. May 16 19:18:38 I'll edit it. May 16 19:18:41 you'll see. May 16 19:18:57 TAsn: thats why I didn't get it... because it's bad ;) May 16 19:19:02 ;] May 16 19:19:44 mrmoku: replace name of sender with... hmm, date for instance May 16 19:19:59 probably. May 16 19:20:01 mrmoku: imagine sent messages listed also in bubbles, but inverted May 16 19:20:12 mrmoku: so you can see whole conversation May 16 19:20:15 it should be per contact/numer! May 16 19:20:19 number. May 16 19:20:25 not only one sms, or replies... May 16 19:20:30 TAsn: window icon mouse pointer (or smth like that) May 16 19:20:38 i c. May 16 19:21:04 well, PaulFertser gtk+ is broken (I can tell you that after playing with gtkrc's in the last couple of days) May 16 19:21:06 ;] May 16 19:21:11 TAsn: the main difference is that WIMP WMs allow for partially overlapping windows which doesn't make any sense. May 16 19:21:38 PaulFertser: you use some auto-tiling thingie? May 16 19:21:42 but still, I like it better than qt May 16 19:21:47 PaulFertser, sure it makes sense May 16 19:21:50 I use it all the time. May 16 19:21:57 * mrmoku thinks remembering PaulFertser talking about ion and such... May 16 19:22:04 I want a lot of screen space for one window May 16 19:22:10 and just one part of some May 16 19:22:15 let's say I'm doing h.w May 16 19:22:18 TAsn: how does it make any sense to have _partially_ overlapping windows? May 16 19:22:21 mrmoku: imagine: you are clicking on "Messages" on desktop. then you will se list of contacts with counters ("1 unread; 0 read") May 16 19:22:33 I want to answer the questions in the pdf May 16 19:22:35 mrmoku: after clicking on contact you'll see whole conversation with selected person May 16 19:22:40 and to have lyx open at the same time May 16 19:22:47 mrmoku: 2007.2 was great regarding that :) May 16 19:22:52 mrmoku: but terribly sloooow... May 16 19:23:01 dos1: that is better... if you now put unread messages above all... great :) May 16 19:23:12 mrmoku, you order them by date... May 16 19:23:15 mrmoku: yep, that's how 2007.2 worked ;) May 16 19:23:24 TAsn: then you split your screen in two areas with lyx in one area and pdf in the other and whenever you resize lyx, pdf app will be resized automatically. May 16 19:23:27 unread on top May 16 19:23:30 list of contacts May 16 19:23:34 then conversation May 16 19:23:46 PaulFertser, but I want the pdf to cover as little as possible May 16 19:23:52 TAsn, dos1, I agree it needs changing... though not in the first step :P May 16 19:23:53 only the left corner for instance May 16 19:23:59 TAsn: then expand Lyx or shrink pdf window May 16 19:24:00 btw.... what role do folders have here? May 16 19:24:01 mrmoku, sure it's not. May 16 19:24:12 PaulFertser, only left corner... May 16 19:24:34 mrmoku, there are a couple of view options May 16 19:24:40 chat, inbox, sent May 16 19:24:55 TAsn: i fail to understand that. :) You should take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager May 16 19:24:56 you have both classic and chat style May 16 19:25:03 PaulFertser, ;] May 16 19:25:16 and in chat May 16 19:25:19 mrmoku: with dbused ophonekitd and selectable phoneguis :) May 16 19:25:39 your folders are the contacts May 16 19:25:51 which you can order either by name or last msg. May 16 19:25:54 (in my pov) May 16 19:26:01 order = sort May 16 19:26:21 PaulFertser, May 16 19:26:24 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ion-screen.jpg May 16 19:26:28 consider this image. May 16 19:26:35 I want the right bottom window May 16 19:26:45 and I want the big window May 16 19:27:28 I want to ssee as much as possible of the big window, with overlapping windows, I can hide just the "nylig avdode" in the wikipedia page May 16 19:27:37 and have the whole wikipedia page a lot bigger May 16 19:27:40 (i.e more view) May 16 19:27:46 or for instance May 16 19:27:57 I use xchat and watch a movie at the same time May 16 19:28:07 I want to see backwards in the chat log May 16 19:28:10 and see the movie May 16 19:28:27 so I overlap the movie over part of the contacts list and the right part of the chat log May 16 19:28:29 you see? May 16 19:28:33 many uses. May 16 19:29:14 TAsn: i'd just hide contacts list if i don't want to see it. May 16 19:29:21 PaulFertser, but I do May 16 19:29:32 ok, consider you hid the contact list May 16 19:29:48 you still want more xchat logs (even sideways) May 16 19:30:00 so this way you can do that. May 16 19:30:05 or consider webpages May 16 19:30:11 I watch shows while browsing the web May 16 19:30:32 I just move the mplayer window to unused space in the firefox window. May 16 19:30:49 TAsn: if it's unused anyway, you can easily shrink FF window then. May 16 19:31:00 no May 16 19:31:27 consider the pic of wikipedia I just gave you May 16 19:31:45 I want to see both "Aktuelt" and the main article May 16 19:31:51 though I don't mind about the bottom right part. May 16 19:32:10 and I don't want to scroll all the time. May 16 19:32:56 TAsn: probably you're just used to the wrong paradigm then, i fail to understand your use-cases ;) I'd also suggest to read http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion/ ;) May 16 19:33:28 ;] May 16 19:33:42 no time, I have a lot of h.w todo and it's already 22:34 ;[ May 16 19:37:46 TAsn: go and do your hw then ;) May 16 19:37:56 trying... May 16 19:38:07 (doing it on the pc, lyx...) May 16 19:40:38 btw PaulFertser, just read in wikipedia that I am using a tiling wm... (compiz) May 16 19:40:52 didn't know it has tiling abilities. May 16 19:41:16 TAsn: e17 has it too btw. May 16 19:41:29 cool ;] May 16 19:41:33 on the laptop it may be useful May 16 19:41:48 will give it a go when I have the time. May 16 20:53:43 alphaone: ping May 16 20:54:15 alphaone: csm_id while sending messages... what do I have to set it to? May 16 20:55:53 mrmoku: doesn't matter too much May 16 20:56:06 should be unique for a given device May 16 20:56:15 unique for how long? May 16 20:56:52 iirc csm_id, originating and destination number make up a tuple by which stuff is identified May 16 20:57:25 hmm... May 16 20:57:44 But I believe some phones also use temporal proximity May 16 20:57:58 It doesn't matter too much May 16 20:58:08 so I could just use current time_t ? May 16 20:58:10 At least thats what I found out in my tests May 16 20:58:21 mrmoku: csm_id is 8 bit afaik May 16 20:58:34 ahh... so better just a part of it :P May 16 20:58:38 8 or 16 bit May 16 20:58:55 spec says int May 16 20:59:07 Well, for different destinations you can use the same csm_id May 16 20:59:34 good... so if sending to multiple recipients... I need just one... fine :) May 16 21:00:09 alphaone: thanks May 16 21:00:11 Nah, spec says more May 16 21:00:19 int only means it's a number May 16 21:00:58 There are concatenated short messages, 8-bit reference number and 16-bit reference number May 16 21:02:15 where? can't find that May 16 21:02:41 See 3GPP TS 03.40, page 63f. May 16 21:02:55 and page 68 for the 16-bit numbers May 16 21:03:03 haha... May 16 21:03:08 * mrmoku was talking about fso-spec :P May 16 21:03:15 :) May 16 21:03:16 haha May 16 21:03:18 okay :-) May 16 21:03:55 so 8bit would be the safe way to go... May 16 21:05:42 mrmoku: framework will use 8-bit csm IDs as long as that fits and otherwise use 16-bit May 16 21:37:40 tracfeed: Ticket #438 (problem gnome-config->dbus) updated May 16 21:39:41 tracfeed: Ticket #438 (problem gnome-config->dbus) updated May 16 21:53:30 Anyone know if the bug with a SMALL illume shutdown screen has already been reported somwhere? (OM2009, Illume home view, open menu -> click the big X -> a windows with width of only some 10px or so opens -> can't see anything..) May 16 21:58:28 rhkfin you mean syscon menu? May 16 22:00:35 if yes http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk?rev=40567 ;) May 16 22:01:10 fixed in rev 40567 May 16 22:03:10 * rhkfin hates all this different tracks...... May 16 22:03:50 * von_fritz too May 16 22:04:24 * rhkfin guesses it's the bug I'm talking about.. SOmeone will have noticed it, too :) May 16 22:28:56 * rhkfin starts to clean the OM2009 wikipage.... a mess.. again.. May 16 22:33:32 .. started with gsm/firware -page.. May 16 22:37:57 Anyone know how to check GSM firmware version? May 16 22:54:16 raster, here? May 16 22:57:30 raster, I hate you, what an annoying bug! (just finished fixing it!) you handled utf-8 beautifully everywhere, except for in one place where you assumed 1 utf-8 char is 1 byte. ;[ And how odd it may sound, you had a bug in utf-8 get prev, or so it seems. May 16 22:58:11 it's too mind boggling to even think that, because this is a major function, and it's surprising it only did minor damage, that's why I'm not 100% sure about it... ;\ May 16 22:58:37 though my fix seems both logical and working May 16 22:58:48 though it went through only minutes of QA... May 16 23:02:42 ok, it seems you are not here, copying to pm. May 16 23:06:11 Anyone have an idea how to issue "AT+CGMR" to GSM to check what's the gsm firmware version? May 16 23:06:41 rhkfin: which distro? May 16 23:06:47 lindi-: om2009 May 16 23:06:55 rhkfin: does that use frameworkd? May 16 23:07:01 yes May 16 23:07:09 (I always forget) May 16 23:07:30 * rhkfin has updated the firmware, just want to add it to the wiki page for others to check, if unsure.. May 16 23:07:43 run mickeyterm May 16 23:08:25 mickey|breakfast: let's see... May 16 23:08:36 rhkfin: or http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/gsm-debug if you don't want to stop gprs (afaik mickeyterm does not work if you have open gprs connection?) May 16 23:09:09 gprs not important (actually I've never managed to use GPRS on OM2009 but that's another story, not yet that far :) May 16 23:10:13 mickey|breakfast: oh.. now what....? THen type AT+CGMR there? May 16 23:10:18 yo May 16 23:10:30 rhkfin: ah, I use gprs all the time :) May 16 23:11:01 mickey|breakfast: ok, cool, works. exit/quit to quit? Is there a way to give the command as parameter to mickeyterm? May 16 23:11:16 lindi-: on 2008.12 I did too May 16 23:11:18 no May 16 23:11:19 ctlr-d May 16 23:11:21 ok May 16 23:11:24 (or ctrl-c) May 16 23:11:29 you can also use mdbus May 16 23:12:00 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetIn May 16 23:12:01 fo May 16 23:12:44 Er... no..? May 16 23:12:50 /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: GetIn failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod May 16 23:12:56 word wrap May 16 23:13:00 GetIn_fo_ May 16 23:13:17 oh.. May 16 23:13:52 Very nice, thanks! I take this shoudl work on all FSO-based? May 16 23:14:09 yes May 16 23:14:13 great May 16 23:14:18 indeed :) May 16 23:17:06 Actually I've earlier wanted to find a software way to see IMEI and here I have i t.) May 16 23:17:45 righto. with the dbus interface you can control almost everything via command line May 16 23:17:51 interactively May 16 23:17:58 which is quite nice for experimenting May 16 23:18:00 or scripts May 16 23:18:35 mickeyl: yes but it's a PAIN to find the right paths.. DCOP/KDE was still manageable, especially with a graphical browser but I just have no idea of dbus.. May 16 23:18:44 really? May 16 23:18:46 try mdbus May 16 23:18:51 mdbus -s gives you bus names May 16 23:18:57 mdbus -s gives you paths May 16 23:19:07 mdbus -s gives you interfaces May 16 23:19:13 everything quite straightforward May 16 23:20:01 hmm.. okay :) May 16 23:20:03 for the desktop, there's d-feet, which is also quite nice and has a UI May 16 23:20:44 i admit, many dbus interfaces have no docs, since the authors are lazy May 16 23:20:55 fso is different though. take a peek at docs.freesmartphone.org May 16 23:21:02 * mickeyl -> bed May 16 23:21:03 g'night May 16 23:24:33 DOes OM2009 still have the g_ether issue with Neo2973? May 16 23:24:37 oops, 1973 May 16 23:24:56 as '2) The g_ether driver is not getting loaded at boot so an entry needs to be added to the /etc/modules file.' - and does it apply also to Freerunner? May 16 23:27:33 A mess: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner May 16 23:28:36 rhkfin: issue? May 16 23:29:14 rhkfin: I think that feature applies to both May 16 23:29:44 lindi-: ah, ok. May 16 23:29:52 rhkfin: kernel feature. possibly distro "issue" May 16 23:30:02 What's g_ether driver anyway? May 16 23:30:10 rhkfin: the usb ethernet gadget May 16 23:30:27 ok.. A bug somewhere to link to? May 16 23:30:30 rhkfin: makes your FR look like an ethernet device May 16 23:30:39 track ticket? May 16 23:30:42 rhkfin: I don't think it's a bug :) May 16 23:31:03 rhkfin: at least not in kernel. kernel can't decide which gadget to load May 16 23:31:20 rhkfin: since we have g_serial too and others May 16 23:31:24 lindi-: ah.. hmm.. right.. hmm.. so is it a known issue.. no..? Where should it be listed.. May 16 23:31:37 So does it make any sense to mention it on OM2009 page...?? May 16 23:33:00 rhkfin: depends on whether you consider it a bug that the default configuration does not put it to /etc/modules May 16 23:33:04 rhkfin: (does it?) May 16 23:33:39 lindi-: I have no idea.. But I guess that's what the text says that it doesn't. So is it just something the user should know? May 16 23:35:13 rhkfin: i weakly remember that om2009 has working ethernet on second boot May 16 23:35:28 over USB at least May 16 23:35:46 yeah May 16 23:38:22 g_ether is loaded at startup by a startup script on the SHR distro; I believe nytowl added that same startup script to the OM releases as well. Android kernels have g_ether built in to the kernel. So basically, on all reasonably-recent distros, the g_ether gadget should autoload on first boot after flashing. May 16 23:38:50 -> it's no use to talk about it on the OM2009 wiki page? May 16 23:40:05 You can talk about it all you wish on any page that's pertinent -- but accurate information would be good to put on the wiki. ;) May 16 23:40:52 * rhkfin removes it there, someone will add if feels it's necessary... May 17 00:20:03 * Any_Key|away is away: Away May 17 00:22:10 nytowl: Would it be possible to make the log folder permanent in OM2009 at least until it's released? I just lost two crash logs because of that.. Is there a reason for not to be permanent? May 17 00:56:46 SHR: 03tom 07shr-overlay * r029ca7754ec0 10/patches/efl1/0001-rtl-support-evas-edje.patch: the rtl support evas patch now also fixes bad utf-8_get_prev and bad wrapping for utf-8 text in textblock **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 17 02:59:57 2009