**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 31 20:37:22 2009 May 31 20:37:53 is there a better way than mere hexediting /dev/mtd2, to change uboot envs from a running system on FR? May 31 20:38:57 DocScrutinizer: yes, some decent utility exists for debian afaik May 31 20:39:22 aah, you remember the name? May 31 20:39:31 DocScrutinizer: searching atm May 31 20:39:50 But i'd rather use Qi May 31 20:40:07 hehe May 31 20:40:38 actually I love my bootsplash May 31 20:41:55 tho I agree wrt wsod etc it's utterly wrong for a bootloader to do hw-init beyond absolute minimum May 31 20:41:57 DocScrutinizer: should work with Qi as well, kernel should support bootsplash by itself. May 31 20:43:31 not the one during initial phase. ok probably it takes uboot as long to load and display splashscreen, as it takes qi to load kernel which then could show splash ;-) May 31 20:47:57 DocScrutinizer: uboot-envedit May 31 20:48:16 cool, thanks :-) May 31 20:49:12 DocScrutinizer: also lindi- writes: "uboot-envedit is horribly slow. fw_setenv is in debian main and works faster" May 31 21:04:32 PaulFertser: actually it seems more effort to dl fw-setenv via gprs, than to ssh to uboot May 31 21:04:50 ;-) May 31 21:05:43 DocScrutinizer: ssh to uboot? interesting idea.. May 31 21:05:52 errr May 31 21:06:10 *cough* May 31 21:31:03 everything in zhone except the wrench and wifi is greyed out, any ideas? it hangs with "connecting w/ dbus..." I have installed linux-image-2.6.29-openmoko-gta02 and /etc/modules has this, http://pastebin.com/m3c9a3ec4 May 31 21:31:55 PaulFertser: do you know where our bat management is done (prolly some kernel module / daemon) and if we have a way to easily change the PMU mbc settings? May 31 21:32:42 Also, gps ain't working, i have installed fso-gpsd May 31 21:33:10 DocScrutinizer: all in-kernel. To change any PMU register you can easily use Werner's "pmu" utility. May 31 21:33:25 seems we got issues with chrg final current May 31 21:34:03 modem draws more current than final trigger for chrg finish :-( May 31 21:35:18 i.e. bat is charged for a (much too) long time with some 5mA, and charging stops as soon as I switch off modem May 31 21:35:56 DocScrutinizer: looks like it's very much possible :-/ May 31 21:36:30 we should adapt chrg final threshold to bta-min-I *plus* modem avrg standby consumption May 31 21:37:35 possibly even dynamically. e.g. we could stop charging, and ask bat how much modem takes away, then calculate threshold from that May 31 21:38:42 Yes, someone should do that... May 31 21:38:58 hrhrr someone... yeah May 31 21:40:27 for now I'd suggest to change threshold to +=16mA May 31 21:40:38 for interim fix May 31 21:42:51 btw, problem with werner's tools is: there's never a binary to instantly dl and use May 31 21:44:51 DocScrutinizer: need one? May 31 21:45:07 sure :-) May 31 21:46:46 DocScrutinizer: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/pmu May 31 21:47:09 :-))) May 31 21:50:58 ok, gsm off/on seems to work really flawlessly now. Even GPRS is acting accordingly May 31 21:50:59 the android solution for that is something called trout_pwrsink, it just reports the power drawn by devices when they are enabled and calculates a total value, it doesn't try to figure out how much a device draws at runtime though May 31 21:51:41 the interesting things is they include things like leds May 31 21:53:41 grrrr, "wget: not a http url" May 31 21:54:58 I *HATE* busybox May 31 21:55:12 DocScrutinizer: http://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org:777:/files/pmu May 31 21:55:18 DocScrutinizer: http://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org:777/files/pmu May 31 21:56:45 :-) May 31 21:56:57 nevertheless May 31 21:57:00 I *HATE* busybox May 31 22:11:48 is there any drawback to having gprs on by default? unless there's network traffic that i make, nothing appears on ppp0, even for hours May 31 22:14:26 might increase power consumption, due to modem constantly needs (might need) to answer packets sent to your address May 31 22:15:29 Blu3: place your FR near to some amp with speakers to hear if it emits anything even when gprs is idle. May 31 22:15:50 good suggestion May 31 22:15:50 i have, i don't hear anything May 31 22:16:08 further. if i suspend my fone, and wake it up two hours later, the ppp connection is still good May 31 22:16:40 so only thing might be calypso modem might enter deep sleep less frequently May 31 22:17:01 if i turn on gprs and don't start anything that actually uses the internet, i don't notice any difference in battery life May 31 22:17:32 so it appears that even if there is some radio traffic now and then, the impact is trivial May 31 22:17:40 so there's nothing bad in it then May 31 22:19:05 is daniel willmann on irc in openmoko* channel(s)? May 31 22:20:42 alphaone|gone is Daniel May 31 22:21:59 sweet May 31 22:39:08 Blu3: i've been doing that quite a bit recently. no particular problems (though i do keep an eye on my pre-pay balance) May 31 22:40:10 *nod* i have unlimited data. i was just reminded that the typical phone seems to always try to maintain an established data link May 31 22:40:20 yeah May 31 22:41:04 what is the dbus-hlid package in http://www.freesmartphone.org/sources/ ? May 31 22:42:45 Blu3, dbus high level introspection daemon May 31 22:43:00 i know. but what tarball is it? May 31 22:43:18 i aways use the git version May 31 22:43:20 hi all May 31 22:45:01 i'm looking to emit a dbus signal when a message gets deleted from the sim May 31 22:59:01 sounds like a rather useless practice, regarding only a dbus-msg can *cause* deletion of a sim-based sms May 31 23:20:04 not really. how is an application to know if some other application deleted a message? May 31 23:21:01 some sms messages are not intended for the user to read, i.e. voicemail count. another process interprets it, updates your voicemail icon, and deletes the message. it shouldn't go into your sms inbox to be read by a human May 31 23:21:56 it's a rather large waste of resources to periodically reread your sim card to see what messages have been deleted and update the screen for the human May 31 23:22:33 on the flip side, when the CMGD command is issued, it's trivial to also emit a dbus signal May 31 23:27:38 maybe there should be a general signal like SMSChanged with a the id and what happend like read, deleted,... May 31 23:34:13 when a message is read off the SIM, some low level process, possibly hardware, marks it read. i don't yet know of a way to mark it unread again May 31 23:35:15 the email i sent to alphaone suggested a message-deleted {s:messagebox i:index} signal May 31 23:35:40 since you typically have more than one messagebook on a sim May 31 23:35:45 s/messagebox/messagebook/ May 31 23:41:35 yes May 31 23:41:45 ok. i missed the different phonebooks May 31 23:42:35 my suggestion is a message-changed( s:messagebook i:index s:action{read, unread, deleted}) May 31 23:44:42 message changed would be handy May 31 23:49:31 and you only have to register to 1 signal May 31 23:55:52 yup Jun 01 00:30:53 anybody know how to mark messages 'unread' on the sim card? Jun 01 01:12:31 oh boy, at&t/cingular SMS sucks. if you send an email message to your phone that results in being 159 or 160 bytes long, those last two bytes just get truncated. if however it is 161, then " +" is properly appended to msg #1, and msg #2 holds the expected last three bytes **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 01 02:59:57 2009