**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 09 02:59:57 2009 Jun 09 04:28:01 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r6225f019602e 10/src/monitor.vala: Only restart service for specific errors Jun 09 04:28:02 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r7f689b7558cf 10/src/fso.vala: Handle unhandled GLib.Error in restart() Jun 09 05:21:14 Good morning! Jun 09 05:21:26 alphaone, are you there? Jun 09 05:25:18 A general question: I've bitbaked an application for the shr-unstable image. Now, where can I find the resulting executable? I want to copy it over to my FR to test it. Jun 09 05:26:31 in your tmpdir, down in deploy/glibc/ipk/* you should find the ipkg file to install. Jun 09 05:27:42 Unless you have "rmwork" enabled in one of your conf files (auto.conf or local.conf usually), you'll find the executable also in the work dir: work// Jun 09 05:40:42 mwester: My tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t directory does not hold an .ipk file with 'navit' in the name. tmp/work/arm4vt*/navit*/ contains lots of files, but not an executable one (as far as I can see). Could it be that the fact that I haven't been able to build the gtk+ dependency influences this? Jun 09 05:41:28 If you can't build the build-time dependencies, then it did not complete the build of that package. Jun 09 05:41:52 Ok, then that explains it... Jun 09 05:42:02 Back to the original problem, then :-) Jun 09 05:42:40 Can you take a look at http://pastebin.com/m27643c89 please? I've highlighted 2 lines that are ... troublesome. Jun 09 05:43:49 morning Jun 09 05:46:19 ChristW, dunno. But I would suspect something to do with your locale setting may be to blame. Jun 09 05:46:42 Why do you suspect that? Jun 09 05:47:40 Funky characters in the script might be multibyte char strings being processed as if they were 8-bit ascii. Jun 09 05:48:26 I think I have a weird one: en_AU.UTF-8 Jun 09 05:48:38 Why I have that local beats me... I'm Dutch! Jun 09 05:49:25 In any case, you'd have to examine the makefiles to find where the info is gathered that is ultimately used in that sed script. Jun 09 05:50:39 I tried tracking that down, but then I'd have to study bitbake to find out how it makes makefiles... Not that I'm against studying programs, but it seems like a fundamental problem... I'll try changing my locale to see if that gives another error, or perhaps... success! Jun 09 05:51:24 very fundamental. btw, what host os? Jun 09 05:52:49 bitbake just uses autoreconf Jun 09 05:53:19 Linux ubuntucw 2.6.24-24-386 #1 Wed Apr 15 15:13:41 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux Jun 09 05:53:25 you can check the scripts in tmp/work/armv4t/navit/temp/run.* Jun 09 05:53:47 did you remember to set /bin/sh to bash, instead of dash? Jun 09 05:54:18 No, I didn't remember! Jun 09 05:54:40 best to wipe your tmp completely, and start over once you correct that. Jun 09 05:55:20 *snif* Jun 09 05:55:36 Only took me a day and a half to get here :-( Jun 09 05:55:56 Ah well, we live and we learn. And then we forget :-) Jun 09 05:56:55 You can try to have it pick up from where it failed, but you'll have to force it to reconfig the failing gtk package at the very least. Jun 09 05:57:59 Ah well, I'll see where this gets me. It'll give the CPU a workout. Jun 09 06:49:10 morning Jun 09 06:49:17 spaetz, morning :) Jun 09 06:50:08 Finally, I can upgrade my FR again. Jun 09 06:52:02 spaetz, why that? Jun 09 06:52:46 spaetz, you should wait some minute... building new image now Jun 09 06:53:06 Been away for a week with basically no online access. Yesterday I had to catch up on mails.... Jun 09 06:53:16 ahh, ok :) Jun 09 06:53:19 so today is the first day, I have *some* spare time Jun 09 06:53:28 * mrmoku hates being offline... just for spams stacking up :( Jun 09 06:53:38 yep Jun 09 06:53:49 and patch mails by dos1 ;P Jun 09 06:54:28 ouch ;D Jun 09 06:54:54 spaetz, I built a new unstable lite image... flashing it now Jun 09 06:55:40 spaetz, if it works I will sync it Jun 09 06:57:40 * mrmoku moving to office now Jun 09 07:11:18 re Jun 09 07:11:27 khiraly1: Hi there! Jun 09 07:11:28 Maybe you Jun 09 07:11:37 oops, wrong paste.. Jun 09 07:11:53 khiraly1: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/435#comment:25 <- I rewrote the instruction, it had some faults.. Jun 09 07:12:31 mrmoku|away: dos1: the newest frameworkd (SHR's one) and newest libdbus does not solve #435 bug. Just it makes it rare. Frameworkd failed after 10 successfull call. So it is better, but the bug still exist. Jun 09 07:13:24 rhkfin: if you install om2009 frameworkd config, dont need to symlink Jun 09 07:13:29 so the tutorial is good as is Jun 09 07:14:03 khiraly1: read what I wrote.. Jun 09 07:15:56 dont have internet on my phone Jun 09 07:15:57 btw Jun 09 07:16:15 o Jun 09 07:16:16 k Jun 09 07:16:37 but, what is more sad, that the bug didnt vanish truely Jun 09 07:16:48 only it happens more rarely Jun 09 07:16:55 :/ Jun 09 07:18:13 mrmoku: please read back a bit Jun 09 07:30:32 hey there Jun 09 07:32:19 Ainulindale, morning Jun 09 07:32:37 hey Jun 09 07:33:27 mrmoku: The correspondent you're trying to reach has his head up his arse. Please leave a message. Jun 09 07:33:31 Ainulindale, image finally is built and works... building feed and index now Jun 09 07:33:42 Good :-) Jun 09 07:37:17 mrmoku: timeout on fso Jun 09 07:41:48 mickey|bbiab, shoragan : fso is timing out Jun 09 07:42:11 (git) Jun 09 07:49:12 mrmoku: we should fix the provider for bluez-libs Jun 09 07:49:21 in fact we should fix every provider Jun 09 07:49:31 or preferred version Jun 09 07:50:05 mrmoku: did you manage to build latest fat image? Jun 09 07:51:24 Ainulindale, image was built... wanted to do the feed and the index... and the git.fso vanished :P Jun 09 07:51:42 Ainulindale, I deleted yesterdays images, because of the wrong dbus config Jun 09 07:51:58 That's good :-) Jun 09 07:52:05 Ainulindale, cleaned and rebuilt lite and fat image... flashed lite image and tested it Jun 09 07:52:08 works Jun 09 07:52:10 We should also delete some old images Jun 09 07:52:23 yep Jun 09 07:52:25 mrmoku: well I'll do the same after I'll be able to test the home backuping stuff toaster died Jun 09 07:52:29 -e Jun 09 07:52:53 hehe Jun 09 07:53:36 And I'd also like to install navit to give it a try Jun 09 07:54:17 mrmoku: we should come up with that DocScrutinizer idea on the devel ML, that is an init screen for custom SHR configuration Jun 09 07:54:30 such as frameworkd-phonegui for instance Jun 09 07:55:32 mrmoku: I wonder how it is difficult to put that in e init screen Jun 09 07:55:35 as well as remove some stuff Jun 09 07:55:43 such as non SHR illume theme Jun 09 07:55:51 as I don't think anybody uses it Jun 09 07:56:39 the default theme? Jun 09 07:56:55 will it fallback to it? Jun 09 07:59:05 * mrmoku at work :( Jun 09 08:16:16 hello there Jun 09 08:20:46 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r40cfea26da62 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: Revert idlenotifier to 516f48762ab7afa4e4702a0ba01bc0a004ae4c60 Jun 09 08:20:47 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r74fc21962e9b 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: idlenotifier: finally fix #416 Jun 09 08:26:43 non shr illume theme is highly confusing too Jun 09 08:26:59 I wouldn't be surprised if people accidently selected it Jun 09 08:31:44 shr-unstable, updated two days ago - after each of two phonecalls, I have to reboot as the FR hangs Jun 09 08:32:01 on suspend - is this known/fixed? Jun 09 08:32:35 also shr-settings - if you turn antenna off, it doesnt seem to do anything Jun 09 08:32:52 but after attempting to turn it back on, it hangs Jun 09 08:33:01 BillK_: This is known as bug #416 Jun 09 08:33:13 Hang after phonecalls Jun 09 08:33:15 ok, tkx Jun 09 08:33:29 and should be Jun 09 08:33:30 freesmartphone.org: jluebbe framework * r74fc21962e9b /framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: idlenotifier: finally fix #416 Jun 09 08:35:25 alphaone: which trac, shr #416 is "elementary_alarm doesn't handle dst" Jun 09 08:36:37 fso Jun 09 08:39:30 alphaone: tkx, found it Jun 09 08:48:26 tracfeed: Ticket #511 (Position of Delete button) created Jun 09 09:03:51 alphaone, hehe... we just built a new image :-) Jun 09 09:04:42 mrmoku: Already tested it? Jun 09 09:04:52 alphaone, built without your fix :( Jun 09 09:05:02 Which fix? Idle notifier something? Jun 09 09:05:06 yep Jun 09 09:05:22 mrmoku: Was shoragans Jun 09 09:05:38 ahh... yep Jun 09 09:15:42 mrmoku: how could I test the playground thing? Jun 09 09:15:46 I want to test the revoke thing Jun 09 09:16:08 (for settings) Jun 09 09:25:27 Very nice! Jun 09 09:26:04 good morning Jun 09 09:27:31 Hey methril|work Jun 09 09:27:33 Reply to your mails Jun 09 09:27:43 sorry, a little bit out this days Jun 09 09:27:48 i'll check my inbox now Jun 09 09:30:34 Ainulindale: it's on the list? or directly mail? Jun 09 09:35:25 Core team yes Jun 09 09:36:40 methril|work: all core team mails :-) Jun 09 09:36:47 i see Jun 09 09:37:53 bbl Jun 09 09:54:37 which kernel (bb file) is used for shr-unstable? Jun 09 09:57:01 linux-openmoko-shr Jun 09 09:57:42 mooooooo Jun 09 09:58:59 so what's the news with FSO dbus bugs? Jun 09 10:00:43 situation seems quite strange, no? I've never seen, on T090416, the problems other ppl report are 90% reproduceable for them. Jun 09 10:06:28 someone has op at openmoko? Jun 09 10:06:52 huh? Jun 09 10:06:58 whazzup? Jun 09 10:07:13 some guy posting the same again and again Jun 09 10:07:21 could you kick? Jun 09 10:07:22 ML? Jun 09 10:07:41 aaargh Jun 09 10:07:45 mompl Jun 09 10:07:58 channel Jun 09 10:10:46 seems it stopped Jun 09 10:11:28 someone kicked off Jun 09 10:13:46 shoragan, can you tell me how to reproduce this: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/407 Jun 09 10:17:17 playya, i'm not sure if it applies to the current monitord Jun 09 10:17:39 it just happend to me one and so i reported it Jun 09 10:17:46 s/one/once Jun 09 10:18:48 i added a timeout so that framework has some time to recover Jun 09 10:23:44 Ainulindale, the wifiman.py? Jun 09 10:24:25 Ainulindale: any missing e-mail more? Jun 09 10:26:54 i get a UnknownMethodException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Unknown method: Ping is not a valid method of interface org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl for every interface Jun 09 10:28:07 isn't ping a method of org.freedesktop.DBus.Peer? Jun 09 10:36:22 and mdbus throws an error with the new dbus version Jun 09 10:36:35 Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Jun 09 10:38:52 mickeyl, maybe i should ping on the org.freedesktop.DBus interface? Jun 09 10:40:02 tracfeed: Ticket #427 (Phonelog on latest SHR-Testing crashes cases the call program to not work) updated Jun 09 10:40:38 hi schasch i had a running doom Jun 09 10:40:55 just do the same thing as in duke nukem Jun 09 10:42:21 oh... Jun 09 10:42:44 playya:compiled the bin by your self? Jun 09 10:42:55 nope Jun 09 10:43:27 used the package and removed the -s 320x240 option in /usr/bin/dm Jun 09 10:44:19 and change the resolution the config file Jun 09 10:44:26 OK...I will post it at http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=1271 with your name..... Jun 09 10:44:50 playya:good work,i will test it this evening... Jun 09 10:45:08 it seems that there is a problem with -o 3 -s 320x240 Jun 09 10:45:43 hey guys, heard of pieterc project? Jun 09 10:46:06 DocScrutinizer, I might ;) Jun 09 10:46:25 [2009-06-09 12:24:51] I'm going to release the openmoko in Belgium with a sim card with free gprs included... I might need some help Jun 09 10:46:26 [2009-06-09 12:24:52] anyone in? Jun 09 10:46:28 [2009-06-09 12:25:28] pieterc: release? Jun 09 10:46:29 [2009-06-09 12:25:29] I'm sure some are :-) sounds very intriguing Jun 09 10:46:46 I accepted a (student) job at mobile vikings, a belgian operator Jun 09 10:46:55 which wants to release their own mobile vikings phone Jun 09 10:47:05 based on openmoko ofcourse Jun 09 10:47:09 which is completely free Jun 09 10:47:13 oh!! nice! Jun 09 10:48:17 but since I'm not that experienced with compiling etc (I tried yet, no much luck though ;)) and creating images Jun 09 10:48:19 this might well "save" OM and FR Jun 09 10:48:22 I might need some community helps Jun 09 10:48:27 you can count on me pieterc, i'll meet you about an hour :p Jun 09 10:48:27 save? Jun 09 10:48:35 it's only Belgium ;) Jun 09 10:48:46 it's not the world Jun 09 10:48:49 then i'm out of this project :P Jun 09 10:48:51 but it might be a good start Jun 09 10:48:59 but it could be developed around the world Jun 09 10:49:01 pieterc: we not nearly reached the break-even on sales Jun 09 10:49:13 oh Jun 09 10:49:59 Zorkman, okay, sounds nice ;) Jun 09 10:50:22 pieterc: and this is first commercial carier to sell FR afaik. So it's *very* important Jun 09 10:50:27 mrmoku: yeah Jun 09 10:50:36 right Jun 09 10:50:48 Well in any case Jun 09 10:50:56 I'm going to set up a community in july Jun 09 10:51:08 with mailinglist and irc of course Jun 09 10:51:13 SHT people: I ran navit for a while, wasn't doing anything specia, and after an hour or so Xglamo starts using 80-90% CPU, has anyone seen this before Jun 09 10:51:16 and i WILL need help from you guys Jun 09 10:51:24 so you will here from me again Jun 09 10:51:27 in july Jun 09 10:51:31 DocScrutinizer: wasn't koolu the first? Jun 09 10:51:38 Zorkman: right Jun 09 10:51:58 but koolu isn't exactly carrier afaik Jun 09 10:52:01 Zorkman, well, we'll be better than good ol' maddog;) Jun 09 10:52:07 i'm counting on it :) Jun 09 10:52:25 little bit dissapointed with android and the slow pace it evolves from koolu... Jun 09 10:52:44 Ainulindale, just copy it over and start it Jun 09 10:52:46 pieterc: you're welcome any time. I'm sure everybody here is happy to help Jun 09 10:52:56 alright Jun 09 10:53:05 mrmoku: Oh ok, good to know then Jun 09 10:53:11 Ainulindale, btw... we should add connman-plugin-ethernet to task-shr-minimal Jun 09 10:53:31 mrmoku: did you try the homebackup thing? I think we should ship some configuration to point it to other "backupable" stuff Jun 09 10:53:34 mrmoku: What does it do? Jun 09 10:53:59 pieterc: Ainulindale: Do you think we get on par with om2009 and Android til august? ;->> Jun 09 10:54:27 DocScrutinizer: on par on which topic? Jun 09 10:54:42 wrt to "releasable image" Jun 09 10:55:23 yep Jun 09 10:55:37 [2009-06-09 12:26:43] with android preinstalled Jun 09 10:55:38 [2009-06-09 12:26:50] and with OM2009 preinstalled Jun 09 10:55:40 [2009-06-09 12:26:58] oooh, no SHR? Jun 09 10:55:41 [2009-06-09 12:26:58] OM2009 for the more advance developers Jun 09 10:56:05 What's that? Jun 09 10:56:06 tracfeed: Ticket #512 (Iphone-like shelf) created Jun 09 10:56:27 Ainulindale: backscroll #openmoko ! Jun 09 10:56:37 I'd like to bring this device in 2 versions Jun 09 10:56:38 Ainulindale: DEFEND YOUR DISTRIBUTION!! :) Jun 09 10:57:02 Ok I see DocScrutinizer Jun 09 10:57:09 pieterc: What would you need w.r.t. SHR? Jun 09 10:57:24 Considering that right now OM2009 is behind SHR in terms of functionnality (at least, that's my opinion) Jun 09 10:57:48 and I second this Jun 09 10:57:52 hm Jun 09 10:58:07 I thought about the main release that is "supported" bij openmoko Jun 09 10:58:10 by Jun 09 10:58:16 pieterc: well you're outdated Jun 09 10:58:19 It won't be supported anymore Jun 09 10:58:25 that why the " ;) Jun 09 10:58:58 Well SHR is supported both by the community & the Freesmartphone.Org initiative Jun 09 10:58:59 I think the userbase (active contributers to 2009) is also smaller than with SHR, but i could be mistaken Jun 09 10:59:01 hence I think it's more viable Jun 09 10:59:09 But that's again my opinion Jun 09 10:59:09 SHREP (shr enhancement proposals), what a name Jun 09 10:59:27 looool Jun 09 10:59:35 spaetz: yeah and for people filling this enhancement, SHR Enhancement Kudos Jun 09 10:59:40 if paroli gets a little more developing Jun 09 10:59:43 nearly as nice as FSOSHRUDCONETAL Jun 09 10:59:45 heh Jun 09 10:59:48 ... Jun 09 10:59:49 ;) Jun 09 10:59:51 ok Jun 09 10:59:54 why do you think Jun 09 11:00:00 SHR would be ready for a phone release Jun 09 11:00:05 pieterc: well fact is, we might even use paroli in the future in SHR Jun 09 11:00:11 great! Jun 09 11:00:12 based on our architecture of course Jun 09 11:00:19 so it needs a bit of hacking Jun 09 11:00:36 (does SHR use the FSO framework?) Jun 09 11:00:43 YUUP Jun 09 11:00:45 Indeed pieterc. Jun 09 11:00:55 ok ok Jun 09 11:00:58 I want shrimps. (SHR improvement/modification Proposal sheet) Jun 09 11:01:09 loool Jun 09 11:01:11 lol Jun 09 11:01:13 rotfl Jun 09 11:01:14 haha Jun 09 11:01:23 spaetz: that's good to me Jun 09 11:01:26 pieterc: well my opinion is Jun 09 11:01:29 pieterc: try both of them Jun 09 11:01:32 Try android too Jun 09 11:01:48 well android i'm going to Jun 09 11:01:49 I think you'll find that SHR is far more usable than both in terms of end-user configurability/functionnality Jun 09 11:02:04 ok ok Jun 09 11:02:04 But again, my opinion based on technical stuff & comments from the users Jun 09 11:02:17 pieterc: I'd be glad to help you with that if necessary Jun 09 11:02:21 pieterc: have a triple boot system, with automated install to nand whenever user decides to stick to one distro Jun 09 11:02:23 pieterc: You might also want to try out hackable:1 Jun 09 11:02:23 great! Jun 09 11:02:34 Although it's not based on FSO Jun 09 11:03:37 I tried hackable yet Jun 09 11:03:43 I like the debian thing Jun 09 11:03:58 Sadly I think it's not suitable for embedded devices Jun 09 11:04:01 that's real grandness for a distro maintainer to suggest to try other distri as well, no? ;-) Jun 09 11:04:14 Ainulindale, (homebackup) never tried Jun 09 11:04:42 Would anybody be able to tell me how to configure navit? Jun 09 11:04:51 DocScrutinizer: well I know the people on h:1 are doing a good job Jun 09 11:05:00 * mrmoku off for lunch Jun 09 11:05:05 It still isn't convenient in my humble opinion for several applications Jun 09 11:05:08 mrmoku|away: enjoy Jun 09 11:05:13 DocScrutinizer: bon appétit Jun 09 11:05:13 DocScrutinizer, What i want exactly is this: Jun 09 11:05:15 Ainulindale: what do you want to configure? Jun 09 11:05:22 Zorkman: navit:navit_init:no gui Jun 09 11:05:42 Ainulindale: huh? Jun 09 11:06:02 DocScrutinizer: wrong tab :-) Jun 09 11:06:04 Ainulindale: darkest night here, breakfast in 3 h Jun 09 11:06:14 2 phones based on openmoko... 1. with android, for final users and 1 with the fatfingershell based on SHR or 2009, i'm not sure yet Jun 09 11:06:15 first of all, you want to place your /usr/lib/navit/navit.xml into ~/.avit/ Jun 09 11:06:16 DocScrutinizer: darkest night? Where are you? Jun 09 11:06:22 hehe Jun 09 11:06:23 i mean ~/.navit/ Jun 09 11:06:36 pieterc: I seriously think Android isn't ready for normal use on the freerunner Jun 09 11:06:38 Failed to handle dbus error: Resource Device is not enabled, current status is 'suspending', 72 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32 Jun 09 11:06:58 Zorkman: yes? Jun 09 11:07:03 what does that suppose to mean x_X why "suspending" Jun 09 11:07:21 Ainulindale: did you do the syumlinking? Jun 09 11:07:25 agg1n: there are several states for a resource Jun 09 11:07:32 agg1n: suspending precedes suspended Jun 09 11:07:43 Zorkman: which symlinking? Jun 09 11:07:56 ln -s /usr/lib/libgps.so.17 /usr/lib/libgps.so.16 Jun 09 11:07:58 pieterc: you could unify to one device with dual/triple-boot, to simplify logistics Jun 09 11:08:00 Ainulindale, why not? I think the cupcake version is great! Jun 09 11:08:05 Ok. I have to fix that then Zorkman :-) Jun 09 11:08:08 because we onl have libgps.so.17 and no 16 Jun 09 11:08:17 Ainulindale: but why is it now suspended :/ Jun 09 11:08:29 pieterc: Because it has no link whatsoever with free software, and isn't compatible with what we do on openembedded, and is limited to what google allows Jun 09 11:08:30 pieterc: then just hit an icon to "install to disk", err NAND Jun 09 11:08:32 and the performances are poor Jun 09 11:09:17 Zorkman: is it hardcoded somewhere? Jun 09 11:09:17 Ainulindale: next you will want to edit your gui; modify your ~/.navit/navit.xml so it says Jun 09 11:09:38 pieterc: think of it like a form of life-disk Jun 09 11:10:18 Ainulindale: I think so Jun 09 11:10:28 Zorkman: ok, did that. Same error. Jun 09 11:10:29 pieterc: user tests all distri from uSD, then decides which to install to NAND, and uSD is free for random junk again Jun 09 11:10:52 DocScrutinizer, we'll see that later on Jun 09 11:11:07 pieterc: please keep in mind my thoughts are only my personal opinion Jun 09 11:11:19 Ainulindale, yes and i do not agree on them :p Jun 09 11:11:22 I don't feel comfortable with android. I know for sure that kernel support isn't that good, and unmaintained on my side Jun 09 11:11:23 Ainulindale: this is my navit.xml, I have edited with a skin so it's better for routing: http://pastebin.com/m297f8242 Jun 09 11:11:28 pieterc: sure, just I'm thinking a long way ahead all times, I can't do different ;-) Jun 09 11:11:35 you clearly did not try michail trimachi's image Jun 09 11:11:52 pieterc: well the problem is Jun 09 11:11:55 You try this or that image Jun 09 11:12:00 How do you know it'll keep being maintained? Jun 09 11:12:05 How will you handle upgrades? Jun 09 11:12:11 How do you think this is visible for the user? Jun 09 11:12:20 well... I wanted to contact Michael Trimachi for that Jun 09 11:12:22 Ainulindale: you will just have to change map settings to the ones you use (from line 370) Jun 09 11:12:24 his company is doing such stuff Jun 09 11:12:38 if Mobile vikings can pay Michael to do such till august Jun 09 11:12:43 it would be great Jun 09 11:13:18 Zorkman: and how do I get maps? Can I use OSM png maps? Jun 09 11:13:21 and android won't be for ever a work in progress i think Jun 09 11:13:34 with the right impuls it can be done pretty quick Jun 09 11:13:35 pieterc: you for sure should talk to Steve Mosher. Sean isn't the right guy for sales anyway Jun 09 11:13:53 Ainulindale: you can use different kind of maps: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/European_maps , i use OSM Jun 09 11:13:54 pieterc: well I think it'd have to, as we're bounded to have wishes or bug reports Jun 09 11:14:37 Zorkman: no info on OSM there Jun 09 11:15:18 ok, but I'm goin to grab something for dinner and meet up with zorkman Jun 09 11:15:27 sec; i'll give you a very good link Jun 09 11:15:44 pieterc: again that's only my personal opinion, if you want to meet and talk about that I could give you really detailed stuff :-p Jun 09 11:16:19 Ainulindale, alright :p Jun 09 11:16:36 but it was not my intention to have a big discussion today Jun 09 11:16:39 so we need to override the navit.xml with our own version to optimize it for FR, right Jun 09 11:16:46 I'm just having the idea and Mobile vikings hired me Jun 09 11:16:52 mmh, how should taht be handled? Jun 09 11:17:04 spaetz: Just doing that right now :-) Jun 09 11:17:05 Ainulindale: http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ Jun 09 11:17:06 shr patches in OE? Jun 09 11:17:08 ahh, cool :) Jun 09 11:17:18 First checking my thing Jun 09 11:17:21 then, I'll do that Jun 09 11:17:46 up to date navit maps are also on http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~deelkar/maps/ Jun 09 11:17:54 created daily Jun 09 11:18:13 Ainulindale: you can also use http://downloads.cloudmade.com/ , but the first link i gave you (http://maps.navit-project.org/download/) lets you select the area you want, nothing more and nothing less Jun 09 11:18:21 Zorkman: that's great :-) Jun 09 11:18:28 Thanks a lot Jun 09 11:18:43 Zorkman: I guess if we have hundreds download from the live API, it will shut down rather quickly :) Jun 09 11:19:54 should actually be rather easy to create a map packages that includes stuff from ttp://dev.openstreetmap.org/~deelkar/maps/ Jun 09 11:19:59 I drove yesterday with navit, and besides missing roads due to OSM, i was VERY impressed Jun 09 11:20:18 is the improved version on the -unstable feed already? Jun 09 11:20:42 yes Jun 09 11:20:49 * spaetz installs Jun 09 11:20:58 latest as recommended per Zorkman Jun 09 11:21:05 and by the way pieterc Jun 09 11:21:12 this is typically a thing which will be harder to do with android Jun 09 11:21:18 ship & package things like that Jun 09 11:21:28 you're right Jun 09 11:21:31 But hey, my humble opinion again :-) Jun 09 11:21:49 It seems to me that we're a bit limited on that level Jun 09 11:21:53 Maybe I lack some info Jun 09 11:21:54 but it would be easier to great a good mobile internet experience with android Jun 09 11:22:08 pieterc: well I consider this problem the other way around Jun 09 11:22:23 It's easier to enhance SHR than to bear android defaults Jun 09 11:22:51 ok Jun 09 11:22:57 well we'll see about that ;) Jun 09 11:22:58 Well at least it's easier to me :-) Jun 09 11:23:09 Zorkman Jun 09 11:23:12 got SHR installed? Jun 09 11:23:19 pieterc: but I'd be willing to offer you full support for that kind of thing, so just keep in touch if you want to :-) Jun 09 11:23:47 pieterc: yes Jun 09 11:24:00 Hmpf, 90k/s through USB Jun 09 11:24:01 How come Jun 09 11:24:02 Ainulindale, alright, i will! Jun 09 11:24:30 Ainulindale, at the moment i lack a little time, due to examinations and such Jun 09 11:24:36 so i won't be active for another 14 days Jun 09 11:24:38 but after that Jun 09 11:24:50 And I'm sure the hackable:1 guys would be interested by that too Jun 09 11:24:51 I will be contacting you for help Jun 09 11:24:54 No problem Jun 09 11:25:00 Ainulindale: i know... it's really crazy sometimes, if you wait a while it'll go up (most of the time), lowerring cpu usages/glamo related things helps Jun 09 11:25:29 alright Jun 09 11:25:31 i'm off for now Jun 09 11:25:36 thanks for your interests! Jun 09 11:25:42 You're welcome Jun 09 11:26:39 i'll defend SHR :) i'm meeting with him in half an hour Jun 09 11:30:37 Ainulindale: fresh from #navit: Jun 09 11:30:40 martin-s * r2309 /trunk/navit/navit/transform.c: Fix:Core:Use table instead of fixed value for scale calculation|Thanks odlg for the patch Jun 09 11:30:40 [13:30] <@cp15> Freerunner package should be available in a few minutes Jun 09 11:31:08 anyway, g2g; see you later Jun 09 11:32:45 Ainulindale: Your fault for living in a huge country. Switzerland map is 14MB ... Jun 09 11:32:48 :P Jun 09 11:37:12 Zorkman Jun 09 11:37:13 navit:map_new:invalid type 'binfile' Jun 09 11:37:13 navit:navit_init:no gui Jun 09 11:37:35 I think there still is an issue with symlink somewhere Jun 09 11:38:06 or plugins Jun 09 11:38:08 I just copied your conf Jun 09 11:38:54 And yes that was that Jun 09 11:58:31 Ainulindale: just tried http://download.navit-project.org/navit/openmoko/svn/ Jun 09 11:58:36 the current.opkg Jun 09 11:58:51 and it loads just fine (after syminking libgps.so.17 to 16) Jun 09 12:01:26 spaetz: ha, didn't know about the linking.. So what do I need to do to get navit running ie. where is the libgps? Jun 09 12:01:41 Tried it yesterday but got no gps Jun 09 12:03:56 rhkfin: the output was complaining about not finding libgpos.so.16 Jun 09 12:04:23 so I went to /usr/lib and symlinked libgsp.so.17 to libgps.so.16 which seems to work fine Jun 09 12:04:31 just trying to get my first fix Jun 09 12:05:53 spaetz: great! Let me know how it works! Jun 09 12:08:41 spaetz: conf is wrong (the one from Zorkman) Jun 09 12:08:45 Here it worked fine Jun 09 12:14:10 Zorkman: the standard UI (internal) isn't intuitive Jun 09 12:16:04 spaetz: hmm.. should I be worried, I don't have /usr/lib/libgps at all..?! on Om2009 Jun 09 12:17:02 ok, will install it.. Jun 09 12:21:18 Hmm, cool, installing libgps made navit work nice: yesterday it failed to do the routing etc. Awesome! Jun 09 12:47:51 KaZeR? Jun 09 13:36:37 Ainulindale: I used the navit SVN one plus some small adaptations. Still waiting for a fix though Jun 09 13:38:54 I'm currently rebuilding it Jun 09 13:42:21 and so far it looks and works nicely. Jun 09 13:42:40 I enabled the zoom in/out buttons, and the navigation arrow thingie Jun 09 13:43:36 spaetz: new rev available on feed Jun 09 13:43:39 with, I hope, png Jun 09 13:44:20 checking out. Jun 09 13:51:35 mmh, no working .desktop file? Jun 09 13:51:45 Not yet, I'll modify that Jun 09 13:54:51 mickeyl: ping Jun 09 14:01:03 So, there's news on the Navit side of things... Jun 09 14:01:38 Still building navit (it seems to work for now), so after that I can update and build it again. Jun 09 14:01:44 I have some more ideas for it... Jun 09 14:04:46 If I drop off the channel, it's because of a thunderstorm. It's a biggie (for this region...) Jun 09 14:16:52 Ainulindale, does it fix the speech dispatcher problem? Jun 09 14:17:06 Which problem? Jun 09 14:17:37 that it pulls in pulse audio... Jun 09 14:18:17 well we can disable it Jun 09 14:18:19 very now and then we get reports like 'audio is not working after suspend' ;) Jun 09 14:18:21 using OVERRIDES Jun 09 14:21:12 mrmoku: as a default it shouldn't use pulseaudio Jun 09 14:21:52 Ainulindale, should not or does not? :P Jun 09 14:22:00 although according to configure we should use --without-pulse Jun 09 14:22:19 and it shouldn't pull in speech dispatcher as mandatory. And if it does, it shouldn't start speech dispatcher as a service on each boot Jun 09 14:22:27 Ainulindale, btw... kernel got updated? Jun 09 14:22:33 mrmoku: No idea I got upgrades Jun 09 14:22:56 I'm wondering if somehow there is something wrong with the included kernel in the image... Jun 09 14:25:34 Compiling with PulseAudio support. Jun 09 14:25:34 Forced compilation without PulseAudio support. Jun 09 14:27:17 So it seems right Jun 09 14:31:28 Ainulindale, the one installable now? Jun 09 14:32:49 ahh, ok r2 will have it... Jun 09 14:32:50 mrmoku: nope building it Jun 09 14:34:23 mrmoku Jun 09 14:34:23 NOTE: Handling BitBake files: - (1149/6541) [17 %]ERROR: /home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/speech-dispatcher/speech-dispatcher_0.6.6.bb inherits update-rc.d but doesn't set INITSCRIPT_NAME while parsing /home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/speech-dispatcher/speech-dispatcher_0.6.6.bb Jun 09 14:34:52 I think I broke something :-) Jun 09 14:36:51 oops Jun 09 14:36:52 naaah, audio is of minor importance an a device like FR. It's broken by default anyway ;-DDD Jun 09 14:37:10 hehe, no more buzzing Jun 09 14:37:32 see, we fixed issues this way ;-D Jun 09 14:37:59 scnr Jun 09 14:38:34 Ainulindale: (this wasn't the big bomb yet ;-) Jun 09 14:40:40 DocScrutinizer: as long as we can agree that it's all joerg's fault, that's okay then. Jun 09 14:42:14 nah, I decline any responsibility for any pathname containing *scenarii* Jun 09 14:42:39 as well as for any resulting damage/headache Jun 09 14:42:40 how about "scarinarii" ? :) Jun 09 14:43:00 or scrutinarii :P Jun 09 14:44:31 mrmoku: i think he might feel flattered. besides, it would put the blame right where it belongs :) Jun 09 14:44:43 :) Jun 09 14:45:12 Ainulindale, it hangs at Starting speech-dispatcher ;P Jun 09 14:45:23 I didn't compile it yet Jun 09 14:46:37 I know... but I installed the old one Jun 09 14:46:46 shouldn't hang either Jun 09 14:46:51 Well here it started Jun 09 14:47:06 root@om-gta02 ~ $ /etc/init.d/speech-dispatcher start Jun 09 14:47:06 Starting speech-dispatcher Jun 09 14:47:07 root@om-gta02 ~ $ Jun 09 14:47:28 Ainulindale, at least I see you're as good as tester as me ;) Jun 09 14:47:50 speech-dispatcher: Corrected typo. Jun 09 14:47:52 :) Jun 09 14:48:51 Ainulindale, btw... did you see the Koen updated irssi to something that works with new autotools? Jun 09 14:48:59 will cherry pick that one :) Jun 09 14:49:49 mrmoku: I tested it but wrongly copied it Jun 09 14:49:55 hehe Jun 09 14:50:03 THE WHIP, THE WHIP Jun 09 14:52:09 Ainulindale, so... shall I pick the console IRC cherry? :) Jun 09 14:52:26 Well I won't use it but go for it Jun 09 14:53:09 AFAIK Speech-dispatcher kills audio on the FR. At least, that's what was happening all the time... Jun 09 14:53:46 When I installed Navit, the phone ringing sound did not waork (and consequently I couldn't pick up the phone either) when spd-dispatcher was running. Jun 09 14:54:00 That's why I just patched it Jun 09 14:54:07 So, I removed spd-dispatcher's startup from the init.d directory... Jun 09 14:54:21 So, now it: - works, - speeks, and -rings? Great! Jun 09 14:54:48 is speech dispatcher really needed? Jun 09 14:54:55 In half an hour, I'll probably (finally!) be able to help you. Jun 09 14:54:56 I have it disabled and not started Jun 09 14:55:06 but I get spoken instructions from navit Jun 09 14:55:38 mwester gave me the tip to replace /bin/sh with bash, and not dash. That was probably the root cause of the \1 \2 \2 fiasco whan building gtk+... Jun 09 14:55:55 speatz: Interesting... did you install flite instead? Jun 09 14:56:22 It pulled in flite when I installed navit from downloads.navit Jun 09 14:56:29 and my navit.xml has Jun 09 14:56:43 so yes Jun 09 14:57:06 I prefer that over having a service started and running all the time (even when not using navit) Jun 09 14:57:15 True, true... Jun 09 14:57:27 Let me check if I have flite installed... Jun 09 14:59:08 flite "Hello there" Jun 09 14:59:09 oss_audio: failed to open audio device /dev/dsp Jun 09 14:59:18 So, not really a 'go' there... Jun 09 15:01:04 Also, spd-say is quite good in Dutch, apparently. I've tested a few 'navigation type' strings, and they sound quite OK. Jun 09 15:02:47 mmh, just tried with speech dispatcher started, I can still "aplay" files Jun 09 15:03:13 but flite fails with speech dispatcher running Jun 09 15:05:40 Great, now I totally killed the audio system... Jun 09 15:06:15 I 'aplay'ed a .ogg file, which it sent as 'raw PCM'. Then I ^C'd the program. Now nothing works :-( Reboot-time! Jun 09 15:06:43 mwester, here? Jun 09 15:07:29 F4t: He was here this morning, not sure now... Jun 09 15:15:35 ChristW: heh. yep, anything but wav files will sound...interesting Jun 09 15:15:52 hi all Jun 09 15:16:36 ChristW: aplay ^c shouldn't break alsa driver. flite shouldn't use /dev/dsp Jun 09 15:16:43 ~seen reddog Jun 09 15:18:46 where can i find an older g_ether.ko driver? and will it work in binary form across kernel versions? Jun 09 15:18:51 2.6.x Jun 09 15:18:52 i just updated my shr-unstable to the latest version, but i cant upgrade my navit (svn-2287) to version svn-2309, it everytime gets "killed" :( is that a known issue, and how cab i install the latest navit version? Jun 09 15:19:03 ChristW: /dev/dsp is a PITA to handle correctly. Usually claims exlusive use of audio hw. All audio apps should use a dmix enabled output device Jun 09 15:19:12 ALSA device Jun 09 15:19:32 kahless: It gets killed because it uses too much memory... opkg remove navit && opkg install navit usually works. Jun 09 15:19:39 Or add some swap. Jun 09 15:19:54 ChristW: thx ill try that Jun 09 15:19:59 DocScrutinizer: The current version of flite 'just' uses /dev/dsp... Jun 09 15:20:40 F4t: bad idea Jun 09 15:21:26 PaulFertser, i have no idea what else to do.... kernel panics when connecting to a windows box... Jun 09 15:21:27 then you should use aoss wrapper for flite Jun 09 15:21:35 F4t: which kernel? Jun 09 15:21:44 F4t: latest? Jun 09 15:21:47 shr-unstable 2.6.29 Jun 09 15:21:58 which is latest... Jun 09 15:22:00 DocScrutinizer: do I understand correctly that by applying http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/ALSA/ACI/dot_amix/mic2_gsm.amix i get telephony via microphone/speaker no matter the previous state of the mixer controls? Jun 09 15:22:09 F4t: i'll check tomorrow. Where did you put the panic message? Jun 09 15:22:11 IOW is this the minimum but complete set? Jun 09 15:22:13 i doubt it kernel problem, i think the g_ether.ko is messed up Jun 09 15:22:13 aoss flite "hi guys" Jun 09 15:22:14 ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/$LIB/libaoss.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. Jun 09 15:22:18 fun Jun 09 15:22:29 PaulFertser, i didnt, how do i get panic message without recompiling a new kernel myself? Jun 09 15:22:32 F4t: g_ether.ko is part of the kernel. Jun 09 15:22:35 mickeyl: yup, that's the idea Jun 09 15:22:48 awesome Jun 09 15:22:58 PaulFertser, g_ether.ko sits on the uimage.bin? or the rootfs? Jun 09 15:23:07 will you do this also for the other interesting states? Jun 09 15:23:14 F4t: it's on the rootfs but it's an integral part of the kernel. Jun 09 15:23:16 s/states/changes/ Jun 09 15:23:31 PaulFertser, right, so upgrading the uimage only = bad idea? Jun 09 15:23:39 ChristW: i think it works now, thx again (its installing some deps now, never did it before) Jun 09 15:23:41 F4t: sure Jun 09 15:23:41 mrmoku: I tend to forgot things as you can see Jun 09 15:23:50 F4t: unless you really know what you're doing. Jun 09 15:23:54 Ainulindale: :) Jun 09 15:23:55 PaulFertser, about the kernel panice message, how do i get it? Jun 09 15:24:00 mickeyl: if anybody appreciates the idea/concept I'll do Jun 09 15:24:03 Ainulindale: take some ginseng pills ;P Jun 09 15:24:16 F4t: i'd use ramconsole patch from lindi- or debug board (if i had it). Jun 09 15:24:56 PaulFertser, dont have debug board, dont have crosstools to compile a kernel with a patch, and am not going to set up a build enviorment unless its automatic somehow... Jun 09 15:26:06 DocScrutinizer: i appreciate it. I'll have a go at using these two diffs in fsodeviced Jun 09 15:26:10 mickeyl: to be precise you need both mic2_gsm AND gsm_earpiece Jun 09 15:26:11 F4t: emdebian is automatic enough imho. Jun 09 15:26:26 F4t, what are you trying to do with g_ether ? Jun 09 15:26:27 PaulFertser, emdebian? Jun 09 15:26:30 ah, ok, good to know Jun 09 15:26:40 nytowl, replace it with older version, see if it works then... Jun 09 15:26:57 DocScrutinizer: for a start, I'd be grateful if we had another diff with stereoout Jun 09 15:27:14 mickeyl: the idea is to have absolute minimal sets for a single function, to avoid combinatoric explosion Jun 09 15:27:16 then we could experiment with these most common use cases Jun 09 15:27:22 F4t that won't work unless you use the older kernl as well Jun 09 15:27:40 nytowl, :-/ Jun 09 15:27:48 mickeyl: ok, I'll continue work on these then Jun 09 15:28:17 DocScrutinizer: great! Jun 09 15:28:19 F4t: i have a windows box at work, so i'll check tomorrow. Jun 09 15:28:20 the semantic of filenames is _ for a single audio path Jun 09 15:28:30 F4t: in debian it's pretty automatic Jun 09 15:28:31 ah, good thinking Jun 09 15:28:39 PaulFertser, thanks... Jun 09 15:28:47 lindi-, how? maybe i can replicate it on slackware? Jun 09 15:29:25 F4t: no Jun 09 15:29:34 F4t: but you can install debian to chroot easily Jun 09 15:29:44 DocScrutinizer: do you already have some code that takes one of these diffs and applies it or should we write that? Jun 09 15:29:52 mickeyl: each file is supposed the be complete, but not exclusive. I.E. it won't care about closing side-pathes that might interfere Jun 09 15:30:19 DocScrutinizer: good, that's exactly how it should be Jun 09 15:30:20 it's in readme, a silly oneliner ;-) Jun 09 15:30:34 (code) Jun 09 15:30:38 ah, that Jun 09 15:30:46 ok, i'll do some own code then Jun 09 15:31:07 I'll care about a compatibility layer for alsactl restore -f foo Jun 09 15:32:01 so you're using the stock amixer binary for now? Jun 09 15:32:08 yup Jun 09 15:32:14 ok Jun 09 15:32:32 execution time is ok, no? :-) Jun 09 15:32:54 sure. I want to avoid the binary call, but it's very good already Jun 09 15:32:57 lots better than alsactl Jun 09 15:33:20 could you also pinpoint the volume control -- if existing -- for each of the cset? Jun 09 15:33:36 mrmoku: could you test latest speech-dispatcher please? Jun 09 15:33:40 or is there no such thing? Jun 09 15:34:16 mickeyl: that's a flaw it should be already in there. sorry Jun 09 15:35:02 spaetz: same thing here with flite Jun 09 15:35:05 Ainulindale: not without working navit config :P Jun 09 15:35:51 mrmoku: Well I have one here Jun 09 15:36:08 Problem is: it needs LC_ALL for internal UI Jun 09 15:36:13 mickeyl: to clarify, you're talking about "exporting"/highlighting the main user control for each path, to distinguish it from mandatory settings? Jun 09 15:37:04 DocScrutinizer: correct. _if_ there is anything the user can do to tweak "volume"(sensitivity, or what not), then the app needs to know this "main control" Jun 09 15:37:16 (for the given path) Jun 09 15:37:20 Ainulindale: i got reports from the italian channel that navit does not work correctly with LC_ALL="it_IT" Jun 09 15:37:23 yup Jun 09 15:37:26 it gets the position off... Jun 09 15:37:32 (by some 50km) Jun 09 15:47:34 nytowl: NOTE: package task-fso2-compliance-1.9.0-r0: task do_build: completed Jun 09 15:47:50 nytowl: install this in your image, if you want to play with the new stuff Jun 09 15:48:08 mickeyl, yay , it should build for our experimental branch Jun 09 15:48:35 righto Jun 09 15:48:40 I'll try overlaying fso2 for that brnach Jun 09 15:49:42 good. for now fso1 and fso2 will be installable concurrently Jun 09 15:49:55 since the new stuff does not have initscripts yet Jun 09 15:50:26 mrmoku: it did the same here it seems Jun 09 15:50:32 So we're bound to use the gtk ui then Jun 09 15:50:43 mickeyl, ok, will the old initscripts start the new processes or wil that need doing manually ? Jun 09 15:50:53 nytowl: everything manually for now Jun 09 15:51:03 nytowl: no integration whatsoever :) Jun 09 15:51:03 nytowl: you still my commits! :-) Jun 09 15:51:07 s/still/steal/ Jun 09 15:51:23 you even need to change the config file to make the stuff start successfully at all Jun 09 15:51:31 Ainulindale, well I saw you pinch a couple of mine yesterday, had to retaliate :) Jun 09 15:51:31 nytowl: sadly this will be of no use to you if you don't use shr override Jun 09 15:51:32 we'll make this more streamlined eventually Jun 09 15:51:35 for now it needs to be enough Jun 09 15:51:48 nytowl: or modify it for openmoko Jun 09 15:52:34 after om2009 we should all use a common config Jun 09 15:52:40 distro config, that is Jun 09 15:55:02 Ainulindale, oops guess I should take a closer look at what I trying to get for a five finger discount Jun 09 15:55:56 I guess so too :-) Jun 09 16:31:09 mrmoku: we should pour unstable into testing now Jun 09 16:36:26 re Jun 09 16:36:41 mrmoku: here? Jun 09 16:38:31 Ainulindale: >:-( just when I flashed unstable because testing does not work :-( Jun 09 16:39:04 Unstable is far better anyway these days Jun 09 16:39:12 onen|openBmap: oh by the way Jun 09 16:39:24 is there a way to upload my logs when I'm behind a proxy? Jun 09 16:39:29 If not, then you suck Jun 09 16:39:51 Ainulindale: then I guess... Jun 09 16:42:16 Yeah, get down on your knees :-p Jun 09 16:42:44 Ainulindale: Ainu.... >:-( Jun 09 16:42:53 Ainulindale: mind your language Jun 09 16:42:54 Haha :-) Jun 09 16:43:06 Anyway I'm off, I have to log some cells Jun 09 16:43:11 :-p Jun 09 16:43:29 Ainulindale: Nick restarted the server. we'll see if everything works as planned Jun 09 16:55:24 connman works nicely Jun 09 16:57:01 and irssi too :) Jun 09 16:58:11 * mrmobil removes xchat Jun 09 17:00:01 mrmobil: connman manages wifi wpa? Jun 09 17:00:24 yep, wpa2 even Jun 09 17:03:42 onen|openBmap: if you want to try it use wifiman Jun 09 17:10:06 khiraly1, here now Jun 09 17:13:17 mrmobil: neat. then we will finally have a stable wifi? Jun 09 17:13:56 does anyone have an shr kernel with lindi's ramconsole patch? Jun 09 17:14:13 onen|openBmap, well... stable wifi depends on kernel too... but it works quite nicely yeah :) Jun 09 17:15:01 mrmoku: I guess it will be a piece of cake to make wifi driver stabel, right? not as if a whole company was working on it ;-) Jun 09 17:15:20 :) Jun 09 17:17:34 in which package is wifiman? Jun 09 17:17:55 Azog, not packaged yet. Just copy it from the shr-settings repo Jun 09 17:18:13 ah, ok, then i can wait Jun 09 17:18:41 http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-settings.git;a=blob;f=playground/wifiman.py;h=768a4e3db94bc8cccda3f98e011737c514688eae;hb=48982d958867fafe233eb9360d9982873ffe26c4 Jun 09 17:18:57 Azog, its just one file to copy Jun 09 17:19:06 mrmoku: the frameworkd with new dbus is crashing reproducible in the following scenario Jun 09 17:19:11 (and maybe create a desktop file if you want to launch it from the desktop) Jun 09 17:19:36 suspend the phone by hand (using power button), call freerunner while in suspend and dont pick up. After it does not suspend anymore Jun 09 17:19:40 it is reproducible Jun 09 17:19:56 I thought that was already a known issue? Jun 09 17:19:57 (does not suspend anymore means also it is incapable to receive or make any call) Jun 09 17:20:15 (That I had not noticed, but I don't get called that often on my FR) Jun 09 17:20:21 khiraly1, yeah, known issue... and different to the other dbus issue Jun 09 17:20:24 ChristW: there were an attempt to kill this nasty bug by upgrading dbus. Jun 09 17:20:36 khiraly1, its two bugs Jun 09 17:20:39 mrmoku: any solution? a bug number? Jun 09 17:24:02 khiraly1, don't know a bug number Jun 09 17:27:26 khiraly1, maybe fso #416 is related... Jun 09 17:50:59 how do i setup the moko to provide shell access over the g_serial.ko module? Jun 09 17:51:38 hi Jun 09 17:52:31 is it a known problem that with the current shr-unstable X does not start? Jun 09 17:53:02 bumbl: no Jun 09 17:53:11 well then Jun 09 17:53:15 I have this problem Jun 09 17:53:25 can you ssh into it? Jun 09 17:53:32 no x even after frameworkd has started Jun 09 17:53:37 rebooting at the moment Jun 09 17:53:56 ok, gives me time to read the good night story for pablo :P Jun 09 17:54:00 bbiab Jun 09 17:54:42 ah after the reboot it starts -> problem solved Jun 09 18:01:49 Onen_away: just uploaded some logs :-) Jun 09 18:04:20 im so close... how do i spawn a shell on a tty device? Jun 09 18:06:14 how can I figure out what partition is mounted as rootfs? Jun 09 18:06:39 mount does not tell me, and cant find some info about it on wiki.openmoko.org Jun 09 18:08:22 soirbon Jun 09 18:08:27 gutten habend Jun 09 18:08:36 good evening Jun 09 18:08:48 kalispera, tant qu'on y est ? Jun 09 18:09:08 arf celui-là je connais po :) Jun 09 18:09:15 ptitjes: for your pleasure Jun 09 18:09:17 ?????? ????? Jun 09 18:09:35 ptitjes: (poorly written greek for the former) Jun 09 18:09:40 (and russian for the latter) Jun 09 18:09:41 héhé Jun 09 18:09:56 Ainulindale: except that this appears as ????????????? Jun 09 18:09:59 on my client Jun 09 18:10:00 :) Jun 09 18:10:22 "dobroï vetcher" approximatively Jun 09 18:10:27 and I'm in UTF-8 Jun 09 18:10:34 It was UTF-8 Jun 09 18:10:52 Ainulindale: I suspect you may be badly configure in some place Jun 09 18:11:12 I never had any problem. Jun 09 18:11:14 Ainulindale> Jun 09 18:11:14 "dobroï vetcher" approximatively incompatible encoding Jun 09 18:11:49 Why would you be the only one to complain if my encoding was poor? :-) Jun 09 18:12:08 Ainulindale: I see ???????????? too Jun 09 18:12:10 because everybody ignores you ;) Jun 09 18:12:24 I'm in a good mood Jun 09 18:12:31 (if it is not visible...) Jun 09 18:12:36 tired but good mood Jun 09 18:12:51 what alsamixer setting do i have to change if i want a bit louder earspeaker Jun 09 18:19:30 bumbl: look at wiki Jun 09 18:20:41 bumbl: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_channel_controls Jun 09 18:21:38 bumbl: "" adjust by #4 "" Jun 09 18:21:39 tracfeed: Ticket #506 (Package request : erminig) closed Jun 09 18:22:28 also you might want to check ofood is issuing a AT@AUL=255 to modem Jun 09 18:22:57 tracfeed: Ticket #102 (pidgin msn-pecan support) updated Jun 09 18:26:27 or AT%AUL, AT+AUL, whatever Jun 09 18:27:03 ofood :-) Jun 09 18:27:06 Mhh, hungry :-) Jun 09 18:27:41 hehe, had breakfast, but noticed it too Jun 09 18:28:59 moin alphaone btw :-) Jun 09 18:30:08 moin _ Jun 09 18:30:10 :-) Jun 09 18:30:43 alphaone: hello Jun 09 18:30:52 alphaone <- query ? Jun 09 18:31:27 I meant can I ? Jun 09 18:35:15 mickey_away: hello, warn that I'll rebase the tree now Jun 09 18:38:36 mickey_away: I hope we can build something together rather than going into separate direction (in reference to http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=aurora.git) Jun 09 18:38:58 or I missed something ? Jun 09 18:39:55 ptitjes: hey Jun 09 18:39:58 what's up? Jun 09 18:46:03 can anyone help me setup getty on the moko and putty on windows to actually be able to talk? Jun 09 18:47:18 DocScrutinizer: #4 is bass boost and not speaker playback volume Jun 09 18:47:42 err, *what* enum??? ;-) Jun 09 18:48:23 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem Jun 09 18:48:35 numid=4,iface=MIXER,name='Speaker Playback Volume' Jun 09 18:49:52 lindi-: hi. menu is javascript on the website. And we could replace it by "regular" non javascript menu. But no date planned :-) Jun 09 18:50:01 alphaone: hi Jun 09 18:50:09 hi onen Jun 09 18:50:17 hi onen|openBmap Jun 09 18:50:27 alphaone: hope you liked the last email from Nick :-) Jun 09 18:50:32 alphaone: raw data is coming Jun 09 18:50:44 alphaone: we had hard disk failure last days :-( Jun 09 18:50:49 DocScrutinizer: hallo Doc! Jun 09 18:51:26 onen|openBmap: Great news Jun 09 18:51:35 I didn't read it yet... Jun 09 18:51:36 DocScrutinizer: thank you Jun 09 18:51:42 * onen|openBmap saw an used omnia for the price of a new FR. Wonder if he could help gnufiish Jun 09 18:51:43 raised it to 100 Jun 09 18:51:46 bumbl: welcome Jun 09 18:52:00 Since my f*cking display backlight is still broken I'm incapacitated wrt all things online Jun 09 18:52:25 i just was a bit confused because the #4 was dislayed as the last but one mixer Jun 09 18:52:30 alphaone: use a bright desklamp ;-) Jun 09 18:52:45 or xray ;-D Jun 09 18:52:56 alphaone: work in darkness, then the screen will look bright Jun 09 18:53:05 No, it won't Jun 09 18:53:18 It's as dark as it gets Jun 09 18:53:26 alphaone: :-( Jun 09 18:53:29 i.e. nada Jun 09 18:53:53 alphaone: with enough xray the ccfl will light up nicely Jun 09 18:53:54 And I'm seriously getting annoyed with the so called "support" Jun 09 18:54:01 alphaone: did you follow the last thread on community ML about obm/ch? Jun 09 18:54:06 arrrgh, you got led Jun 09 18:54:08 DocScrutinizer: It's an LED backlight! Jun 09 18:54:28 so it will be rather yellowish Jun 09 18:54:31 Which didn't prevent the 1st level support to sent the tech with a new inverter board the first time Jun 09 18:54:34 *sigh* Jun 09 18:54:53 s/sent/send/ Jun 09 18:55:07 alphaone: come on. They are the professionals, please be humble. They know their stuff Jun 09 18:55:20 and you need even muuuch higher xray level to power the small luminescent spot in white leds Jun 09 18:56:24 DocScrutinizer: Would it make sense to drive to the airport? Jun 09 18:56:37 alphaone: :-D Jun 09 18:56:38 :-) Jun 09 18:57:00 nah, this level of xray only used in pipeline building Jun 09 18:57:08 Maybe if the dial knob on the x-ray is set to "very secure" it will work :-) Jun 09 18:58:59 you'll probably need a equiv photon stream of 10..30W/cm^2. Rather lethal Jun 09 19:00:46 DocScrutinizer: isn't there a way to remove the -a7.state file..?! Jun 09 19:01:05 probably there is Jun 09 19:01:13 not for me though Jun 09 19:01:35 I already asked Roh. Seems he missed my ping Jun 09 19:01:43 roh: ping Jun 09 19:04:50 well I'm temped to see if I still got root access to wiki server Jun 09 19:05:15 but I don't like to play this type of games Jun 09 19:05:27 alphaone: Hi, I sent my FR to you to get it buzz-fixed. But now it seems as if it got 'un-fixed', since I get _loads_ of distorted buzz when I call myself on the FR. Anything I can check to see what might be wrong? Jun 09 19:06:02 ChristW: Ah, sorry that I didn't reply yet. Jun 09 19:06:19 ChristW: Do you have a torx screwdriver? Jun 09 19:06:24 Yes, I do. Jun 09 19:06:41 But it would be the first time I opened up a phone... Jun 09 19:06:56 It could be that the wire that runs from the cap to the mic got loose. Jun 09 19:07:04 I also have a quite high magnification handheld loupe and/or a camera with loads of zoom. Jun 09 19:07:21 Well, you just need to unscrew the two screws and then carefully open up the case Jun 09 19:07:23 ChristW: opening the phone is really simple Jun 09 19:07:26 Onen_away: ok, javascript-only menu is not exactly easy to browse with FR Jun 09 19:07:31 Onen_away: I prefer elinks :) Jun 09 19:07:39 A plastic card or something similar is best for that Jun 09 19:07:49 fingernail Jun 09 19:07:52 Bank card/credit card? Jun 09 19:07:59 Or fingernail, yes Jun 09 19:08:09 ..assuming I have fingernails, but they are quite bendy... Jun 09 19:08:13 Anti-static measures? Jun 09 19:08:21 nope Jun 09 19:08:36 avoid lightning ;-) Jun 09 19:08:45 touch something that's grounded before you start Jun 09 19:08:52 Hmmm, I do have lightning 'handy' :-) Jun 09 19:09:10 The heating system will do. Jun 09 19:09:15 ChristW: Are you planning on going to HAR? Jun 09 19:09:32 When and where and what is HAR? Jun 09 19:09:45 Hacking at random Jun 09 19:09:53 Hacking At ... Ah, I was almost there... Jun 09 19:09:56 alphaone: prepare a few special alsa.state for test? Jun 09 19:10:05 https://har2009.org/ Jun 09 19:10:19 DocScrutinizer: feel free :-) Jun 09 19:10:27 What size torx? Jun 09 19:10:33 6 Jun 09 19:10:41 DocScrutinizer: My µSD with test image just has everything cranked up to max Jun 09 19:11:08 It's too loud for normal use, but good for detecting the GSM buzz Jun 09 19:11:41 Only 1 (one) screw? Jun 09 19:11:46 I thought more of a mic1 "wrong" statefile that uses *only* micp bigC side. Should be silent Jun 09 19:12:27 if C is broken, then it isn't Jun 09 19:13:30 also you could record a characteristic 0.2sec switch on ramp there with bigC, and a rather sharp click without Jun 09 19:14:26 on micbias enable Jun 09 19:16:11 for this you might want to use wpwrak 's *hammer* prog, which rapidly cycles micbias on and off Jun 09 19:20:30 (Got the 2nd one... it was white/redish I thought it was something else...) Jun 09 19:21:10 hmm, i read that as "wpwrak's *hamster* prog".. Jun 09 19:22:22 I got it open, and found the C and its wire. Jun 09 19:22:37 Let me get some magnification in here :-) Jun 09 19:22:49 alphaone: last week i finally made a call with the buzz-fixed FR, it is now nicely usable as a phone, thanks Jun 09 19:23:04 It certainly looks as if it got loose... just a sec. Jun 09 19:24:00 Azog: np Jun 09 19:24:44 unfortunately i have a bug with gps now, i only get this rxerr-messages in dmesg :( Jun 09 19:25:30 alphaone: Yup, it got loose... Jun 09 19:25:37 ChristW: okay, damn Jun 09 19:25:44 That's what I thought Jun 09 19:25:57 I feared as much :-( Jun 09 19:27:09 ChristW: who got loose? The cap? Jun 09 19:27:15 You were one of the first, I guess I wasn't that good back then Jun 09 19:27:18 nah, the wire Jun 09 19:27:29 I don't have the skills nor the know-how to fix this... Is there anyone in the neighborhood (Brabant, Netherlands) who can SMD solder the wire back on? Jun 09 19:27:49 And I had to use the ersa for the small things as well since I didn't own the WD1M back then Jun 09 19:28:09 And when it worked, it was flawless after the buzz-fix! Jun 09 19:28:12 I guess it's time for a visit to the Netherlands :-) Jun 09 19:28:24 what package contains "pand" for Bluetooth pan network? Jun 09 19:29:09 Now I have a wife who'd rather dump my FR in the bin then let me use it. Well, ok, not really, I guess, since it's a bit too expensive. But now I'm back to a Philips fisio 625. Jun 09 19:30:12 About HAR: I might not make it, since I'm on holiday then... Jun 09 19:31:32 Isn't it possible to solder that wire with a random soldering iron? Jun 09 19:32:07 PaulFertser: It is, but when you bridge the two caps you're out of luck... Jun 09 19:32:38 without decent equipment Jun 09 19:32:47 A 'random' soldering iron is about 10 times the size of the wire... Jun 09 19:32:49 alphaone: no, there's desoldering whick (?) or a random threaded wire. Jun 09 19:33:04 hmm Jun 09 19:34:04 alphaone: i think i need to prove that on my device with my "random" soldering iron, will do that tomorrow, not feeling appropriate enough atm. Jun 09 19:36:17 :-) Jun 09 19:36:32 I'll take pictures. Jun 09 19:37:03 anyone? where to i get "pand" from to setup bluetooth pan connection... Jun 09 19:38:38 I know someone who worked at Eindhoven Technical University, he may have access to an SMD soldering station and know of a random student who could help me get this fixed. And I have a couple of hours to spend tomorrow... Jun 09 19:39:17 ChristW seems like not feeling comfortable with the idea to solder with "random" iron. Nor were I Jun 09 19:40:54 ChristW: some cellphone stores offer custom rework for different color of LEDs. Those should be able to do the job in 10min Jun 09 19:41:15 Hey, whenever I do 'random' soldering, people within 10 meters die of burn wounds ;-) Jun 09 19:41:44 If the TU/e fails, I'll ask some of the 'get your phone unlocked here' type of shops. Jun 09 19:42:04 exactly those, yes Jun 09 19:42:32 Time to see my FR in action wothout the front cover on. Yeehaw! Jun 09 19:43:20 BTW when I boot, I get 2 messages about a regulator. Are those normal? Jun 09 19:43:25 won't be an action moovie ;-) Jun 09 19:43:34 yup Jun 09 19:43:43 Ok then. Jun 09 19:44:06 Is there a way to 'unpack' an .ipk file using standard tools? Jun 09 19:44:39 ChristW: ar Jun 09 19:45:07 The pirate's 'yes' or the program :-P Jun 09 19:45:30 The program :) ipk is very similar to .deb archive. Jun 09 19:49:58 PaulFertser: I already found that out, that's why the :-P was there... Jun 09 19:50:47 Anyway, I now have a 'navit.real'... Now all I need to do is mess aroud with the source, re-build it, and then re-extract the navit binary, now that I know how. Jun 09 19:56:23 ChristW, ar x Jun 09 19:56:37 ahh... too slow :) Jun 09 20:07:06 can someone help with bluetooth, after i managed to pair the devices... how do i make the moko expose "PAN" service? Jun 09 20:07:09 or whatever its called? Jun 09 20:08:26 hmm, I didn't even manage to put that to work on my laptop Jun 09 20:09:05 linux & bluetooth are not exactly end-user friendly Jun 09 20:09:10 basically on FR it would work exactly same way ;-) Jun 09 20:11:10 friendly or not, i keep encountering something called "pand" that should be on the moko, but its not... Jun 09 20:11:18 any idea where can i get it? Jun 09 20:12:06 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bluetooth_Support#Networking Jun 09 20:16:15 Can I use bitbake to download source files, so that I can edit them and then build te resulting executable (or .ipk)? Jun 09 20:16:40 F4t: i think pand is from BlueZ 3.x, so it's deprecated. Jun 09 20:17:03 thats great and lovely, but all the openmoko.org wiki contains only the pand method.... :-/ Jun 09 20:17:57 PaulFertser, do you know how to use bluez4? Jun 09 20:19:22 F4t: i did it by reading the examples from the sources (some of which are outdated too) and by reading the source code. Jun 09 20:20:53 F4t: (did it==used bluez4 but not for PAN, sorry) Jun 09 20:22:35 PaulFertser, i managed to pair the devices... but not PAN :( Jun 09 20:24:25 F4t: http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/Roadmap#Networkservice Jun 09 20:24:47 F4t: http://apps.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/noko/index.php?title=Freerunner_SHR_network_gateway_with_bluez_4.* Jun 09 20:24:52 maybe a starting point Jun 09 20:25:20 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * re3d2f01948c1 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Added debug output for startin object Jun 09 20:25:20 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r31c827b632e8 10fso-monitord/src/usage.vala: Set missint IFACE for usage Jun 09 20:25:22 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r66257faad30e 10fso-monitord/src/usage.vala: Jun 09 20:25:22 freesmartphone.org: Revert "Set missint IFACE for usage" Jun 09 20:25:23 freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 31c827b632e8e8db9ba57c31571e8e95d38dbc08. Jun 09 20:25:25 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r5f156ecfc7e4 10/src/monitor.vala: Added debug output in Subsystem.run Jun 09 20:25:28 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r20767782f109 10/src/monitor.vala: Using fdo.DBus.Peer for Ping() Jun 09 20:26:17 F4t: do you need to serve PAN or to use? Jun 09 20:27:22 PaulFertser, use... Jun 09 20:27:50 PaulFertser, whats the difference? Jun 09 20:28:14 F4t: for serving i've given you a recipe Jun 09 20:28:44 theres no spdtool on my moko Jun 09 20:29:00 F4t: sdptool? Jun 09 20:29:43 in the link you gave... Jun 09 20:31:15 F4t: sdptool is part of bluez4 for sure Jun 09 20:32:00 you should be able to enable pand in configure Jun 09 20:33:23 tmzt, assuming i recompile bluez...? Jun 09 20:33:42 yes Jun 09 20:33:55 or make a python script Jun 09 20:34:08 well anyway, im done messing with it for today.... if only the frickin kernel didnt panic when usb connetcing to windows, i wouldnt be messing with this stuff.... Jun 09 20:34:08 and use dbus api Jun 09 20:34:24 panic? why? Jun 09 20:34:29 thanks for your help tmzt, PaulFertser, DocScrutinizer Jun 09 20:34:35 np Jun 09 20:34:37 what message? Jun 09 20:34:56 tmzt, to get message i would need to recompile the kernel with lindi-'s patch now wont i? Jun 09 20:35:13 is cdc-ether different from the usbnet Jun 09 20:35:16 I guess Jun 09 20:35:17 F4t: or recompile with mtdoops enabledf Jun 09 20:35:41 lindi-, doesnt solve the recompile part... Jun 09 20:36:04 lindi-: will patch work for everything if mem= is used, even device with two banks? Jun 09 20:36:14 F4t: sure it would be cool to be able to run PAN client on FR. But I think fixing kernel panic is a higher goal to achieve Jun 09 20:36:32 tmzt: i think so Jun 09 20:36:52 DocScrutinizer, thats why im killing my bandwidth and downloading full SHR source... Jun 09 20:37:23 F4t: to recompile a kernel full SHR source is not needed. Jun 09 20:37:40 right Jun 09 20:37:44 just kernel Jun 09 20:37:47 F4t: probably blueman is available in the repos? Jun 09 20:37:51 kernel panic on connecting to windoof is a showstopper ticket anyway Jun 09 20:37:51 PaulFertser, to recompile the kernel with the same patches/gir revision shr uses, i do Jun 09 20:37:57 since other kernels might actually work Jun 09 20:38:21 gir=git* Jun 09 20:38:28 F4t: no, you can get patches via web-interface. Jun 09 20:38:37 F4t: and anyway SHR shouldn't have any kernel patches atm. Jun 09 20:39:28 lindi-: cool, do you have this patch somwwhere? Jun 09 20:39:50 tmzt: which one? Jun 09 20:39:54 PaulFertser: are you aware of current status of A2DP with SHR? Jun 09 20:40:09 lindi-: ram console Jun 09 20:40:16 PaulFertser, ok where do i get the kernel source from.... Jun 09 20:40:18 DocScrutinizer: afaik it just works. Jun 09 20:40:25 :-) Jun 09 20:40:37 PaulFertser, with the config and all Jun 09 20:40:40 Good night! Jun 09 20:40:42 F4t: clone from http://git.openmoko.org the exact command is given on the page. Jun 09 20:40:45 tmzt: yes, search for ramconsole from bugs.openmoko.org Jun 09 20:41:19 PaulFertser, which repo? Jun 09 20:41:34 k, fellas. A beer, then coninue work for ACI (prolly incl A2DP eventually) Jun 09 20:41:55 bbl Jun 09 20:42:00 F4t: here http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=summary you can see instructions Jun 09 20:42:19 PaulFertser, ok, will try Jun 09 20:42:27 F4t: so, is "blueman" available? Jun 09 20:43:00 lindi-: did you continue your efforts to push for ramconsole as default on SHR? Jun 09 20:43:59 bluemen group Jun 09 20:44:03 PaulFertser, dont know, my moko doesnt have any connectivity.... Jun 09 20:44:17 DocScrutinizer: i think i forgot whom to contact :) Jun 09 20:44:59 lindi-: i think that in case your patch will have no effect booted with default environment, it should and can be included. Jun 09 20:45:03 lindi-: join forces with wpwrak and pester Ainulindale / mrmoku , I guess Jun 09 20:45:27 DocScrutinizer: no, we now can push directly to OM repository. Jun 09 20:45:48 PaulFertser: it does if mem= is not set Jun 09 20:46:32 DocScrutinizer: btw, good news mickey finally got time to see how good your ACI stuff is :) Congratulations with this first step. Jun 09 20:46:33 PaulFertser: AIUI it may have severe effect on last mb getting corrupted from buffer writes, while some app might use it Jun 09 20:46:34 DocScrutinizer: what pestering do i need to do ? Jun 09 20:46:59 lindi-: so, what's the problem with inclusion it by default? Jun 09 20:47:43 lindi-: i like it better than mtdoops because mtdoops will require to mess one way or the other with mtd partitions. Jun 09 20:48:03 that's why we need a kernel patch to include mem=127 as default Jun 09 20:48:30 DocScrutinizer: lindi- just said that if mem=127 is not set, his patch doesn't harm anything. Jun 09 20:49:02 I seen a patch recently which changes kernel cmdline defaults Jun 09 20:49:10 lindi-: or did i misunderstand you? Jun 09 20:49:31 PaulFertser: I got lindi- exactly the other way Jun 09 20:49:35 Heh Jun 09 20:50:23 So we just need to fix it then :) Jun 09 20:50:27 if mem= is not set then the patch will corrupt memory Jun 09 20:50:41 see my note above Jun 09 20:50:45 alphaone, do you know why there are different methods for org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply Jun 09 20:51:42 lindi-: we need a kernel patch anyway, no? (i.e. your ramconsole patch *is* a kernel patch?) Jun 09 20:52:02 DocScrutinizer: probably we don't want to force users to loose 1M by default? Jun 09 20:52:13 PaulFertser: you can make it smaller Jun 09 20:52:25 PaulFertser: I would prefer to force them Jun 09 20:52:59 lindi-: i'd like to see it included by default but in a way that it'll have no effect without additional user efforts (like changing kernel cmdline arguments). Jun 09 20:53:15 PaulFertser: that could be arranged as well Jun 09 20:53:28 Sure. Jun 09 20:53:43 PaulFertser: that's exactly the wrong way. We need it *enabled* by default Jun 09 20:54:21 so users will get decent data for random kernel panic. Jun 09 20:55:53 DocScrutinizer: your reasoning makes sense. Random panics are nasty... OTOH you saw an average SHR uses bugreport, usually it doesn't include even required information from the logs, despite it's easily accessible. Jun 09 20:56:11 TAsn, ping Jun 09 20:56:13 if user *decides* to not join the effort to stabilize kernel, and user supplies mem=128 (sic!) then we may feel sad about that but user is free. Our default however needs to be ramconsole=enabled (for now) Jun 09 20:56:31 mrmoku, ? Jun 09 20:56:40 Ainulindale, flashing SHR ;) Jun 09 20:56:51 TAsn, what is the state of your rtl patches for evas? Jun 09 20:56:58 (in upstream e) Jun 09 20:57:03 they were added Jun 09 20:57:19 and because of reasons not entirely clear to me, they were removed (issues I couldn't reproduce) Jun 09 20:57:22 I talked to raster Jun 09 20:57:29 DocScrutinizer: i'd agree with that too Jun 09 20:57:34 and will test them again asap Jun 09 20:57:42 hmm Jun 09 20:57:43 wpwrak: you told you are available to help lindi- in getting ramconsole to default Jun 09 20:57:48 mrmoku, have you noticed anything weird with evas? Jun 09 20:57:52 (shr uses it for a long time now) Jun 09 20:58:03 I wanted to try out the illume category patch from trevino Jun 09 20:58:12 why not? Jun 09 20:58:12 but that needs some symbol from some newer EFL Jun 09 20:58:15 wpwrak: that's the whole thing about pestering Jun 09 20:58:25 mrmoku, and my patch doesn't apply? Jun 09 20:58:28 I think it should still apply. Jun 09 20:58:29 so I tried to bump it... and evas won't build due to your rtl_cursor.patch ;) Jun 09 20:58:34 nop Jun 09 20:58:38 :) Jun 09 20:58:43 have you tried to see what breaks? Jun 09 20:58:54 (it's probably raster patching some of the patches I sent him, and others not) Jun 09 20:58:59 I mean, reverted only some. Jun 09 20:59:24 well, just noted it fails ;) Jun 09 20:59:29 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- rejects in file src/lib/engines/common/evas_intl_utils.h Jun 09 20:59:34 1 out of 4 hunks FAILED -- rejects in file src/lib/canvas/evas_object_textblock.c Jun 09 20:59:46 well, bbl Jun 09 20:59:55 I got a pragmatic question for the SHR devels... Jun 09 21:00:07 lindi-: but what about watchdog and/or automatic reboot after panic? Can it be sanely arranged without modifying kernel command line? Jun 09 21:00:12 what if Ainulindale dies from one day to another... we're screwed right? Jun 09 21:00:27 pieterc, why that? Jun 09 21:00:29 PaulFertser: yes Jun 09 21:00:34 PaulFertser: apt-get install watchdog works here Jun 09 21:00:48 mrmoku, as I'm the only one that did anything in evas_intl_utils.h Jun 09 21:00:51 mrmoku, no reason ;) Jun 09 21:01:26 lindi-: hm, so shr devs should include it by default too for users to always be able to report random panics. Jun 09 21:01:28 it seems like some of my patches were reverted and some were not Jun 09 21:01:30 PaulFertser: modifying kernel cmd line can be done by kernel patch, to change defaults Jun 09 21:01:42 TAsn, hmm... for my local build I will just dump your patch then :P Jun 09 21:01:50 but you should find a solution Jun 09 21:01:54 mrmoku, damn you ;) Jun 09 21:02:16 DocScrutinizer: really? I thought it comes only from bootloader. Jun 09 21:02:21 PaulFertser: yep Jun 09 21:02:41 mrmoku, co, manually patch, get the diff (and verify everything that doesn't patch is because it was already patched) and then use this as the patch Jun 09 21:03:01 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r04ac74e21c06 10/src/gsm.vala: Fixed typo in FSO.GSM.PDP interface Jun 09 21:03:03 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * rd2642d52f145 10/src/gsm.vala: Renamed *HomeZone dbus calls to +Status Jun 09 21:03:08 TAsn, negative... won't do that now :P Jun 09 21:03:19 * mrmoku quite busy :( Jun 09 21:03:25 mrmoku, hehe, was just saying how to do it ;) Jun 09 21:03:45 ahh... some kind of auto-instruction... ic :P Jun 09 21:04:00 :> Jun 09 21:05:43 PaulFertser: Jun 09 21:05:47 diff --git a/src/cpu/s3c2442/gta02.c b/src/cpu/s3c2442/gta02.c Jun 09 21:05:48 index 13be2ac..143f831 100644 Jun 09 21:05:50 --- a/src/cpu/s3c2442/gta02.c Jun 09 21:05:51 +++ b/src/cpu/s3c2442/gta02.c Jun 09 21:05:53 @@ -690,8 +690,7 @@ const struct board_api board_api_gta02 = { Jun 09 21:05:54 .get_ui_keys = get_ui_keys_gta02, Jun 09 21:05:58 .get_ui_debug = get_ui_debug_gta02, Jun 09 21:06:00 .set_ui_indication = set_ui_indication_gta02, Jun 09 21:06:02 - .commandline_board = "loglevel=4 " Jun 09 21:06:06 - "console=tty0 " Jun 09 21:06:08 + .commandline_board = "console=tty0 " Jun 09 21:06:12 "console=ttySAC2,115200 " Jun 09 21:06:14 "init=/sbin/init " Jun 09 21:06:16 "ro ", Jun 09 21:06:18 PaulFertser: is this uBoot or kernel? Jun 09 21:06:18 DocScrutinizer, pastebin? :p Jun 09 21:07:22 * mwester kickbans DocScrutinizer for channel abuse :P :D Jun 09 21:07:41 btw... if anybody finds there should be more people with accounts to the svn.om.org or git.om.org repos, please discuss it and tell me ;) Jun 09 21:08:18 roh: There were some requests to remove (or edit) a certain file on trac Jun 09 21:08:53 hm.. didnt get a ticket so far? Jun 09 21:09:02 roh: this one: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state Jun 09 21:10:08 hm.... who is 'maintaining' the kernel right now? Jun 09 21:10:31 nobody Jun 09 21:11:14 DocScrutinizer well.. find somebody suited who people trust and is able to use git properly, and then make him/her open me a ticket with an ssh-pubkey ;) Jun 09 21:11:55 after all, its not a question of company foobar anymore. its a question of trust between developers now. Jun 09 21:12:17 roh, how about hosting the dev servers? will om continue to do that? if so, til when? Jun 09 21:12:19 till* Jun 09 21:12:32 not my place to dictate something, more to support a transparently made decision Jun 09 21:12:42 * DocScrutinizer away, for good now Jun 09 21:13:14 TAsn not entirely clear yet, but for now they pay the hosting bill. but not any admins anymore. am searching for paid work too now :-/ Jun 09 21:13:25 rhkfin: U see it's not easy to remove that nasty file ;-) Jun 09 21:13:28 roh, ;\ Jun 09 21:14:24 TAsn if they stop to pay the bill we will switch to differently funded hosting. but i think we can make that work if neccessary. Jun 09 21:15:02 only problem for me is, that i basically have either no time for moko or no money *sigh* sucks Jun 09 21:15:15 roh, ;\ Jun 09 21:15:24 I don't have money/time either atm :) Jun 09 21:15:31 havent done anything besides minimum neccessary stuff to keep it running the last month Jun 09 21:16:07 roh, I'm really sorry for you ;\ Jun 09 21:16:43 well.. its the same for all other former staff too (the freelancing hackers) Jun 09 21:17:17 roh, I'm sorry for them as well :) Jun 09 21:17:54 thanks. i just hope we will find some sustainable solution soon Jun 09 21:44:59 * onen|openBmap is happy, server is up again. last days contributions brought 1000 cells :-) Jun 09 21:49:50 onen|openBmap: shouldn't you measure the covered area in m^2 instead of number of cells? ;) Jun 09 21:50:52 No rectangle whatsoever23:00:22 < pieterc> what if Ainulindale dies from one day to another... we're screwed right? Jun 09 21:50:56 Hmpf Jun 09 21:50:58 What's that Jun 09 21:51:02 What if I die? Jun 09 21:52:22 lindi-: sorry, my todo list is now full, I would need to replace sth else for this suggestion, and the other are better :-P Jun 09 21:52:58 onen|openBmap: Could I know how many cells I commited today? Jun 09 21:53:13 I was wondering how much cells were committed for such a short trip Jun 09 21:53:14 Ainulindale, give back your 600 stolen cells first ;) Jun 09 21:53:19 s/much/many/ Jun 09 21:53:21 Nah Jun 09 21:53:23 They're mine Jun 09 21:53:24 MINE! Jun 09 21:54:21 anyway... on my way to bed :) Jun 09 21:54:53 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r538b288d7493 10fso-monitord/src/gsm.vala: Renamed *HomeZone dbus calls to +Status Jun 09 21:54:54 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * re0f6a02c25f3 10fso-monitord/src/ (device.vala gsm.vala phone.vala preferences.vala): Moved setting of interface to construct Jun 09 21:54:59 Ainulindale, I updated frameworkd Jun 09 21:55:09 Good :-) Jun 09 21:55:26 Ainulindale: well basically... no. I know stats sucks big time. I very much look forward opening the website to contributions, and help for contributions for improving this Jun 09 21:55:32 and now I'm playing with trevinos illume category patch Jun 09 21:55:45 mrmoku: is that the patch we saw on scap? Jun 09 21:55:50 Because if it is I want that Jun 09 21:55:52 yep Jun 09 21:55:52 And I want it now Jun 09 21:55:54 http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,1573.0.html Jun 09 21:56:04 (italian but has a screenie) Jun 09 21:56:17 Ainulindale: you can use a firefox addon which detects update to webpages. it allows seing the former, and the new version, and highlights the changes Jun 09 21:56:18 Ainulindale, we have to bump EFL for that ;) Jun 09 21:56:29 I don't care! Jun 09 21:56:37 me neither :P Jun 09 21:56:57 I'm running a local build with updated EFL and that illume patch now... Jun 09 21:57:08 Good, can't wait to hear from you if it works Jun 09 21:57:09 is it possible under unstable to unlock the screen another way than pressing the aux button? Jun 09 21:57:11 will tell you tomorrow if it works out Jun 09 21:57:15 But it doesn't seem to be exactly what we saw on scap Jun 09 21:57:34 I think it is flexible... you can even change categories with dbus calls Jun 09 21:57:40 Ouuuh nice Jun 09 21:58:12 anyway... good night all Jun 09 22:13:21 damn, the suspend bug is still there... Jun 09 22:14:03 Still this framework bug? 0:-) Jun 09 22:14:14 alphaone: how are you, strapping young lad? Jun 09 22:15:26 alphaone which one? Jun 09 22:15:27 Ah, I'm okay, thanks Jun 09 22:15:42 Finally back to zero wrt buzz fixes... Jun 09 22:15:52 alphaone: Meanwhikle I "somehow" fixed navit package to build properly on our branch Jun 09 22:16:02 It's quite usueable with a proper conf Jun 09 22:16:08 roh: Not sure if it is another incarnation of #416 or something different Jun 09 22:16:21 And we now have a custom home backuping script thanks to Toaster in settings Jun 09 22:16:24 yeah, navit is cool Jun 09 22:16:31 So maybe we should think about a way to handle framework settings persistence Jun 09 22:16:37 oh, backups are neat :-) Jun 09 22:17:11 current frameworkd is really crappy when it comes to obeying resourcePolicies Jun 09 22:17:16 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r3c61cd32b2dc 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Using Dbus.Peer for Ping Jun 09 22:17:30 yes :-( Jun 09 22:17:33 it often suspends although explicitely set Display ResourcePolicy to enabled Jun 09 22:17:42 s/when.*// Jun 09 22:17:59 heh Jun 09 22:20:19 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * ra61b9d92e22f 10fso-monitord/src/gsm.vala: Fixed typo in FSO.GSM.PDP interface Jun 09 22:24:15 ah. alphaone is back Jun 09 22:24:31 any ideas about my previous question? Jun 09 22:24:53 alphaone ah.. but that sounds logical.. can you get a serial trace via debugboard while suspending? so we know what crashes or is hindering suspend to complete Jun 09 22:25:48 roh: Yeah, I need to do that Jun 09 22:25:58 playya: could you repeat? Jun 09 22:26:08 alphaone, do you know why there are different methods for org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply Jun 09 22:26:41 no. What do you mean different? Jun 09 22:26:44 Which methods? Jun 09 22:26:56 1 sec Jun 09 22:28:09 http://pastebin.ca/1454486 Jun 09 22:31:01 apm's interface has the same name but different methods. which part is wrong? Jun 09 22:33:33 good night Jun 09 22:34:37 good night Jun 09 22:38:35 Ok, packaged msn-pecan, at last. Jun 09 22:56:07 tracfeed: Ticket #102 (pidgin msn-pecan support) closed Jun 09 22:58:08 tracfeed: Ticket #505 (Split navit's ipk in 3 parts) updated Jun 09 23:10:18 TAsn: trying to packagel ibmokoui2 right now Jun 09 23:31:06 TAsn: and it seems to work Jun 09 23:31:17 I'll put it on the buildhost to give it a try Jun 09 23:40:05 Hey Toaster` o/ Jun 09 23:40:14 Just the guy I was looking for Jun 09 23:40:28 oh? Jun 09 23:40:32 what have I done? Jun 09 23:40:34 Toaster`: I tested the home backuping thing Jun 09 23:40:35 Nice thing Jun 09 23:40:43 It lacks one thing though Jun 09 23:40:47 Two in fact Jun 09 23:40:48 what's that? Jun 09 23:40:59 1) Being enabled as a default Jun 09 23:41:17 2) A custom conf file to ship with shr-settings to tell which extra path we could back up Jun 09 23:41:21 (such as /etc files) Jun 09 23:41:23 eh? Can you expand on 1) Jun 09 23:41:35 Toaster`: well it still is in playground and not in standard UI Jun 09 23:41:51 ahh yes. I wanted to test it first, sorry Jun 09 23:42:10 Toaster`: and for 2), I'd like a /etc/shr-settings/backup/*.conf thingie if you see what I mean Jun 09 23:42:27 Both of those are relatively easy to add. Jun 09 23:42:30 It'd allow us to backup frameworkd-phonegui.conf for instance Jun 09 23:42:34 Or rules Jun 09 23:42:36 Or frameworkd.conf Jun 09 23:42:49 etc Jun 09 23:42:57 ok, all the user custom stuff? Jun 09 23:43:00 yep :-) Jun 09 23:43:29 That way we'll build a shr-settings-backup-conf package Jun 09 23:43:37 with a set of conf for the things we'd like to backuo Jun 09 23:43:42 s/uo/up/ Jun 09 23:44:10 I can do the package if I have the underlying ability to use it Jun 09 23:44:25 ok... do we need to add any custom checks? eg: ensure that the ringtones listed in the user-gen profiles actually exist? Jun 09 23:44:57 Toaster`: well I don't think so for the time being Jun 09 23:45:07 ok, I'll leave it dumb then Jun 09 23:45:13 But then shr-settings should backup these as well Jun 09 23:45:15 (so custom conf) Jun 09 23:46:02 ok, so we need a list of shr-specific backups and blacklists for each. no biggie Jun 09 23:46:08 yep Jun 09 23:46:14 something XML or standard conf formated Jun 09 23:46:20 include list, exclude list Jun 09 23:46:31 yaml or some such? Jun 09 23:46:32 With wildcards or regexps as you wish Jun 09 23:46:35 yaml is overkill :-) Jun 09 23:46:39 do as you wish anyway Jun 09 23:46:42 ok Jun 09 23:46:46 the simpler the better Jun 09 23:47:18 I'll just do a file for each and have one entry per line Jun 09 23:47:24 stupid easy Jun 09 23:47:33 And for exclude? Jun 09 23:47:42 I don't want to have to explicitely list stuff, I need wildcards :-) Jun 09 23:48:13 since things are called via os.popen, bash expansions should work Jun 09 23:48:49 Then it sounds good to me Jun 09 23:48:53 * mwester thinks it should also back up the dropbear keys by default. Jun 09 23:49:07 mwester: I quite agree with that Jun 09 23:49:16 have Ainulindale add it to the shr-settings-conf package ;) Jun 09 23:49:22 I will don't worry Jun 09 23:49:33 ok, I'll try to get that done tonight Jun 09 23:49:39 Thanks a lot :-) Jun 09 23:49:42 It's a really nice feature Jun 09 23:49:43 it gives me something to do whilst watching the hockey game Jun 09 23:49:58 * mwester looks forward to getting rid of his silly "put-everything-back.sh" script. Jun 09 23:50:01 meanwhile I'm trying libmokoui2 Jun 09 23:50:15 mwester: actually I can't get why noone thought of that before Jun 09 23:50:35 Plus Toaster` did that easily Jun 09 23:50:38 I've had a 'standard-setup.sh' for some time now Jun 09 23:50:57 Ainulindale: add fstab to you list as well Jun 09 23:51:18 Ainulindale, the backend should be part of the core distro (for example, SlugOS supports such a mechanism that even works at first boot -- saves data to a small reserved area of the system's flash.) Jun 09 23:51:21 ok libmokoui2 is now in the default image Jun 09 23:51:44 mwester: what do you mean? Jun 09 23:52:28 All OE-generated distros for the gta0x should have a save/restore settings built-in, so that all a distro needs to do is create the gui front-end. Jun 09 23:53:13 Hmpf I did crap tonight Jun 09 23:53:20 I didn't even see libmokoui2 already had a recipe Jun 09 23:53:27 Sheesh Jun 09 23:53:40 distracted by too much other stuff, I suspect. Jun 09 23:54:17 He has a gf, so that's a good enough reason for me. Jun 09 23:56:56 Meh :-) Jun 09 23:57:47 Retrying properly Jun 09 23:59:03 """ Get Jun 09 23:59:06 crap, sorry Jun 10 00:00:38 Ainulindale: Can you add a /etc/shr directory to the image... or should I add a trac request? Jun 10 00:00:52 actually I'll do a trac request so we can list others Jun 10 00:01:03 Why would I need to add it? Jun 10 00:01:10 The package will Jun 10 00:02:09 well, maybe not add it, but we need someplace for devs to add/request folders/files. We need some logical structure Jun 10 00:02:20 yeah and the package will add it :-) Jun 10 00:02:27 heh Jun 10 00:02:59 * Toaster` is now slightly distracted, the game is starting! Jun 10 00:27:59 mrmoku|away: quick ping, I misunderstood the mokoui ticket, I think you worked on it at some point but I see no comment with info Jun 10 00:28:41 mrmoku|away: task-shr-minimal won't compile currently due to libgnomeui lack of either intltool > 0.40 with libgnomeui 2.24.0 or with an error for older versions Jun 10 00:28:58 mrmoku|away: So we should talk about it as you're bound to have hit the same errors if you truly hit that error Jun 10 00:29:06 errr Jun 10 00:29:12 worked on that package I mean Jun 10 00:35:35 mrmoku|away: and anyway according to the OM ticket the dependency on gnome-python is unecessary Jun 10 00:35:39 So i'll check tomorrow I have to sleep Jun 10 00:35:43 G'night guys Jun 10 00:35:46 Night Jun 10 00:59:19 how can I tell which kernel is getting built for shr-unstable - want to look at some of the code for it (need bb file) Jun 10 01:12:59 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r09ce5b2be494 10/src/fso.vala: Lock restarting by command Jun 10 01:16:57 Toaster`: , Ainulindale , mwester ; thanks for the word for next day to start Jun 10 01:17:44 You wimping out and succumbing to your bodies need for rest? Jun 10 01:20:07 mickey_away: sorry, I don't feel like discarding personal opportunities for quick success on unpaid development. Let's see waht the next few hours will unbossom Jun 10 01:26:20 Toaster`: dunno how to explain my ambivalent state of mind wrt FR development. Highly involved but starving?.... ? Jun 10 01:27:09 Food and rent to take some priority Jun 10 01:28:02 priority rising with falling bank account bet Jun 10 01:28:11 s/bet/net/ Jun 10 01:28:21 understood Jun 10 01:29:17 n8 Jun 10 01:29:25 Night, best of luck Jun 10 01:29:43 nacht Jun 10 01:38:33 * DocScrutinizer wonders if any company on this wide earth might have a need for sort of a inter-disciplinary hw_knows-how_tells_sw_how_to _manage_hw guy Jun 10 01:42:25 well, if any: send inquiry to jr@mak.cloud-7.de **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 10 01:42:29 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 10 01:42:50 2009 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 10 01:54:52 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 10 01:55:15 2009 Jun 10 02:02:30 is there any particular character limit for the busybox shell? Jun 10 02:10:50 DocScrutinizer, you are from nuernberg. around there should be a siemens nokia lab Jun 10 02:16:11 neurnberg trials? Jun 10 02:22:39 anyone interested in palm pre linux internals -> #webos-internals **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 10 02:59:57 2009