**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 10 02:59:57 2009
Jun 10 03:58:39 <rwhitby> mwester: Palm Pre just got root access
Jun 10 04:00:23 <Toaster`> And a new day dawns...
Jun 10 04:56:01 <CIA-69> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * rc5f9126071f8 10fso-monitord/src/ (dbus.vala monitor.vala): Renamed FreeDesktop.DBusService constants to SERVICE_*
Jun 10 04:56:03 <CIA-69> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r6ac7ca3450cc 10fso-monitord/src/ (monitor.vala phone.vala): 
Jun 10 04:56:03 <CIA-69> freesmartphone.org: Removed subsystems in System
Jun 10 04:56:03 <CIA-69> freesmartphone.org: Use calls instead of subsystems in Phone
Jun 10 04:56:04 <CIA-69> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r404d3733137b 10fso-monitord/src/ (7 files): Merged Subsystem an System
Jun 10 04:56:07 <CIA-69> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r931a3d9519c6 10fso-monitord/src/ (dbus.vala monitor.vala): Introduce and use static DBus.Peer
Jun 10 04:58:50 <CIA-69> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r5c3af1961558 10fso-monitord/src/ (dbus.vala monitor.vala): Moved PEER_IFACE to FDO.DBusPeer
Jun 10 05:04:13 <CIA-69> SHR: 03frazier.cameron 07shr-settings * r935626521615 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_backup.py: [Backup] Fixed minor issue with user defined white/blacklists.
Jun 10 05:04:24 <CIA-69> SHR: 03frazier.cameron 07shr-settings * r1496611ce1a9 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): 
Jun 10 05:04:24 <CIA-69> SHR: [HomeDir/Backup] Renamed HomeDir to Backup as it is much more general now.
Jun 10 05:04:24 <CIA-69> SHR: Addition of system level configuration files (config/*); See
Jun 10 05:04:24 <CIA-69> SHR: backup.[white,black]list files for details. Intention is for system level
Jun 10 05:04:24 <CIA-69> SHR: additions to be handled by a versioned package (ie: shr-settings-config.ipk).
Jun 10 05:04:25 <CIA-69> SHR: Config system allows for user specified lists as well, see the backup.config
Jun 10 05:04:27 <CIA-69> SHR: file.
Jun 10 05:05:11 * CM gives up on 30 days SHR uptime to try the latest release
Jun 10 05:05:26 <Toaster`> I'm off.  Night guys
Jun 10 05:08:00 <TAsn> Ainulindale, iirc the issue wasn't libmokoui2 but py-mokoui2 (which is the same pack but the python bindings)
Jun 10 05:14:59 <CM> Hmm.. Latest SHR doesn't boot for me. The console hangs on "cannot run '/etc/init.d/rcS
Jun 10 05:15:53 <budfive> CM: shouldn't have given up that uptime :)
Jun 10 05:16:15 <CM> Hehe, I'll try the 6 June build instead
Jun 10 05:29:46 <CM> 2009-06-06 boots with a connman warning, but seems to work well on the GTA01
Jun 10 05:49:29 <tobii_> morning
Jun 10 05:53:17 <Blu3> 'morning
Jun 10 05:53:25 <Blu3> hmm
Jun 10 05:53:49 <Blu3> guess i better double check /etc/init.d/rcS before rebooting, eh? =]
Jun 10 05:55:12 <Blu3> it looks fine to me
Jun 10 05:55:21 <Blu3> timestamped mar 2nd
Jun 10 05:55:40 <Blu3> all it does is an exec
Jun 10 05:55:44 <Blu3> exec /etc/init.d/rc S
Jun 10 06:56:48 <CIA-69> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r3df27640273f 10fso-monitord/ (Makefile.am src/framework.vala src/monitor.vala): Restart daemon by busnameand command
Jun 10 07:22:10 <methril|work> good morning
Jun 10 07:28:25 <ChristW> Good morning too.
Jun 10 07:31:19 <CM_work> Blu3: That problem was when I flashed the 2009-06-03 gta01 image
Jun 10 07:31:28 <CM_work> It worked with the 2009-06-06 gta01
Jun 10 07:35:31 <spaetzzZ> has anyone heard of the package manager upkg?
Jun 10 07:35:49 <spaetz> apparently written by students here at ETH Zurich and written in vala
Jun 10 07:36:30 <spaetz> well, first written in mono, now rewritten in vala
Jun 10 07:54:31 <ChristW> I have a question about the 'Building SHR' wiki page. It says something about changing applictions (edit the source, then bitbake, and use '-c build' to get the rest of the dependencies built), but unfortunately it doesn't say anything about how to get the source into my directory tree. Or did I miss something on that page?
Jun 10 07:57:32 <spaetz> never done that either :)
Jun 10 08:07:41 <methril|work> ChristW: using Makefile or oe directly?
Jun 10 08:10:00 <ChristW> I guess using the Makefile.
Jun 10 08:12:37 <methril|work> then you could do make setup and you've the code in your machine
Jun 10 08:14:24 <ChristW> I already did 'make setup', but does that download full source for all the packages then?
Jun 10 08:15:03 <PaulFertser> ChristW: no, OE downloads sources before compiling.
Jun 10 08:15:09 <PaulFertser> ChristW: it's like Gentoo.
Jun 10 08:15:34 <ChristW> Okay. How can I make local changes then?
Jun 10 08:15:59 <PaulFertser> ChristW: add a patch to recipe?
Jun 10 08:16:27 <ChristW> There's a possibility...
Jun 10 08:17:00 <PaulFertser> ChristW: or you can just do "bitbake -c configure package_you_hack", then change the sources in the work directory, then "bitbake package_you_hack".
Jun 10 08:17:24 <ChristW> Hey, that sounds interesting! Sounds feasible.
Jun 10 08:18:09 <PaulFertser> ChristW: yes, and if you're satisfied with how it works you just prepare a patch later based on that. I think it works like that.
Jun 10 08:18:52 <ChristW> That's my idea exactly. First hack the source, later prepare a patch when you're satisfied with how it works.
Jun 10 08:20:20 <ChristW> PaulFertser: Any shortcuts in retrieving the built files? I am actually only interested in one file in the .ipk. I know I can ar x the .ipk and tar xzvf the data.tar.gz, but it's a bit cumbersome...
Jun 10 08:21:11 <PaulFertser> ChristW: you can do "bitbake -c compile <package>" and it will leave all compiled files in the work directory.
Jun 10 08:22:07 <ChristW> Ok, that'll keep me occupied ;-)
Jun 10 09:15:00 <Ainulindale> mrmoku|a` ?
Jun 10 09:16:27 <Ainulindale> Hmmm pkg-config gives me a /usr/share something path with the staged pkg-config
Jun 10 09:16:34 <Ainulindale> Something went wrong here
Jun 10 09:34:18 <Ainulindale> mrmoku|a`: it builds now
Jun 10 09:37:53 <Ainulindale> Ok libmokui builds, but their makefile.am is crappy, as well as the configure.ac
Jun 10 09:38:02 <Ainulindale> Unecessary dependencies, and hardcoded path
Jun 10 09:42:48 <Ainulindale> hey m0nt0 o/
Jun 10 09:43:16 <m0nt0> hola Ainulindale 
Jun 10 09:43:21 <m0nt0> tell me
Jun 10 09:43:22 <m0nt0> :D
Jun 10 09:43:26 <Ainulindale> what?
Jun 10 09:43:33 <m0nt0> don't know :D
Jun 10 09:43:40 <m0nt0> how's everything
Jun 10 09:43:42 <Ainulindale> Just saying hi that's all :-)
Jun 10 09:43:53 <m0nt0> ahah ok :D
Jun 10 09:47:20 <Ainulindale> Woooh phonelog is nice with the python bindings
Jun 10 09:47:29 <Ainulindale> It scrolls quite nicely
Jun 10 09:47:38 <Ainulindale> I can't recall if it did that before
Jun 10 09:54:21 <Ainulindale> Ooooh yeah it's damn better with libmokoui2
Jun 10 09:54:32 <Q-Master> hm. I've imported ~200 contacts to sqlite 8)
Jun 10 09:55:00 <Q-Master> it works, but calling any of them makes illume unable to start anything
Jun 10 09:55:22 <Q-Master> and contacts listing is slooooooooooow
Jun 10 09:55:57 <Ainulindale> Q-Master: using which app?
Jun 10 09:56:26 <Q-Master> my own
Jun 10 09:56:50 <Q-Master> it's a script which imports from vcard 3.0
Jun 10 09:57:15 <Q-Master> rather dumb because of a PIM iface
Jun 10 09:57:38 <Q-Master> We can't now assign more than 1 phone to 1 contact
Jun 10 09:57:44 <Q-Master> same as with e-mail
Jun 10 09:57:48 <Q-Master> and url
Jun 10 10:00:54 <Zorkman_> Ainulindale: when upgrading to latest unstable i got this error:
Jun 10 10:00:58 <Zorkman_> Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//om-gta02/alsa-scenarii-shr_1.0+gitr52+35e8109ec81333d877b94b543b396bc4cc2481a6-r0_om-gta02.ipk
Jun 10 10:00:58 <Zorkman_> file_md5sum_alloc: Failed to open file /usr/share/shr/scenarii/*: No such file or directory
Jun 10 10:01:14 <Zorkman_> subsequent opkg update and opkg upgrade tell me everything is up to date though
Jun 10 10:03:48 <Q-Master> Zorkman_: just create /usr/share/shr
Jun 10 10:03:57 <Q-Master> Zorkman_: and everything'll be ok
Jun 10 10:04:50 <Zorkman_> it already exists...
Jun 10 10:05:12 <Zorkman_> it existed since the moment i flashed shr-unstable i think
Jun 10 10:05:58 <Q-Master> nop
Jun 10 10:06:31 <Q-Master> I've also got that error, but when created the dir everything became ok
Jun 10 10:07:23 <Zorkman_> I absolutely know it existed before opkg upgrade, because this is where i copied my new statefile to...
Jun 10 10:11:18 <Q-Master> just recreate it
Jun 10 10:37:07 <Ainulindale> Zorkman_: that's weird I didn't have this problem
Jun 10 10:37:33 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: there?
Jun 10 10:37:36 <mrmoku> yep
Jun 10 10:37:45 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: libmokoui2 compiled with dirty hacks
Jun 10 10:37:49 <Ainulindale> I put them in ~
Jun 10 10:37:57 <Ainulindale> There's an issue with pkg-config --variable
Jun 10 10:38:05 <Ainulindale> And the configure.ac is wrong
Jun 10 10:38:13 <mrmoku> hmm
Jun 10 10:38:17 <Ainulindale> It works nicely here with pyphonelog
Jun 10 10:38:27 <mrmoku> good thing :)
Jun 10 10:38:29 <mrmoku> commit it ;)
Jun 10 10:38:43 <Ainulindale> Already did, modulo the dirty hacks to get it to build
Jun 10 10:38:51 <Ainulindale> As there's an issue with pkgconfig I can't solve but with dirty hacks
Jun 10 10:38:53 <Ainulindale> And I won't do it
Jun 10 10:40:03 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #393 (Add python-mokoui2 to the repos (and image)) closed <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/393#comment:5>
Jun 10 10:41:00 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I'll produce a patch according to what pb__ just said
Jun 10 10:41:45 <mrmoku> mdbus org.enlightenment.wm.service /org/enlightenment/wm/RemoteObject org.enlightenment.wm.IllumeSe
Jun 10 10:41:49 <mrmoku> ttings.CategorySet 'PIM'
Jun 10 10:41:49 <mrmoku> :D
Jun 10 10:42:13 <Ainulindale> Sounds nice! :-)
Jun 10 10:42:58 <mrmoku> what is missing is an UI way to switch the categories
Jun 10 10:43:29 <mrmoku> you can turn on to have a folder icon for each category... but that is ugly
Jun 10 10:45:52 * mrmoku off for lunch
Jun 10 10:47:23 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: bon appétit
Jun 10 10:53:55 <Ainulindale> It compiles with my patch
Jun 10 11:00:11 <ChristW> alphaone: Daniel, I am now the proud owner of a re-buzzfixed phone.
Jun 10 11:00:35 <alphaone> ChristW: Congrats!
Jun 10 11:00:40 <alphaone> Sorry for the hassle
Jun 10 11:02:21 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: ok it works :-)
Jun 10 11:02:24 <Ainulindale> pb__: thanks a lot for the info
Jun 10 11:02:51 <ChristW> No problem! An acquaintance of mine came with a soldering iron and a steady hand. He studied the SOP, took out the old wire (it came off almost by itself) and put in a new one. I called my Neo from my land line, and there was no more buzz.
Jun 10 11:05:29 <Ainulindale> nytowl: you might want to cherry pick my libmokoui2 commit
Jun 10 11:07:36 <Ainulindale> (Peh, mrmoku sucks, he didn't manage to build it :-p)
Jun 10 11:18:05 <spaetz> Ainulindale: pb__ is in oe not here :)
Jun 10 11:18:54 * mrmoku wonders how Ainulindale manages to build something... while not being able to manage his IRC channels ;)
Jun 10 11:19:14 <Ainulindale> spaetz: pb is here
Jun 10 11:19:36 <Ainulindale> KaZeR: Just added erminig recipe.
Jun 10 11:19:41 * mrmoku wonders why spaetz thinks pb is not here... while he is ;)
Jun 10 11:19:59 * Ainulindale wonders why you guys are drunk
Jun 10 11:20:03 <Ainulindale> Anyway mrmoku mokoui2 built
Jun 10 11:20:06 <Ainulindale> I'm regenerating an image
Jun 10 11:20:10 <Ainulindale> Meanwhile off to smoke
Jun 10 11:20:48 * mrmoku thinks that might be an appealing idea :P
Jun 10 11:21:24 <spaetz> ahh, he is :). I blame it on irssi's tab completion :)
Jun 10 11:21:38 <spaetz> too much food, too little coffee
Jun 10 11:26:30 <Ainulindale> Hmmm I forgot to put the checksums for erminig, I should
Jun 10 11:29:09 <khiraly> re
Jun 10 11:29:39 <khiraly> dos1: nytowl found the solution of bug #416/435 
Jun 10 11:29:40 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #507 (Package request : erminig) closed <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/507#comment:1>
Jun 10 11:29:46 <khiraly> so now my phone is rocksolid;)
Jun 10 11:30:00 <Ainulindale> khiraly: what's the solution?
Jun 10 11:30:02 <Ainulindale> any info?
Jun 10 11:32:17 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #295 (No option for SMS return recept) updated <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/295#comment:8>
Jun 10 11:32:43 <pbaxter> Ainulindale : are you building new image?
Jun 10 11:34:03 <Ainulindale> Yes
Jun 10 11:34:11 <Ainulindale> New lite for starters
Jun 10 11:35:02 <pbaxter> Ainulindale but have you seen Trevino patches?
Jun 10 11:35:16 <Ainulindale> What for?
Jun 10 11:35:24 <Ainulindale> Can't recall what they were for
Jun 10 11:35:41 <pbaxter> they are like the software Launcher but pretty integrated in E
Jun 10 11:35:44 <pbaxter> (Illume)
Jun 10 11:35:44 <Ainulindale> Ah yes
Jun 10 11:35:45 <Ainulindale> Saw that
Jun 10 11:35:54 <Ainulindale> we'll include that later on when mrmoku says i t's stable enough :-)
Jun 10 11:36:02 <pbaxter> ok )
Jun 10 11:36:05 <pbaxter> :)
Jun 10 11:36:17 <Ainulindale> Meanwhile I'm regenerating a fresh image just to check everything is fine
Jun 10 11:36:58 <pbaxter> Ainulindale . when the new image will be online?
Jun 10 11:37:09 <Ainulindale> Lite or fat?
Jun 10 11:37:37 <pbaxter> Lite
Jun 10 11:37:52 <Ainulindale> Well I could put lite fairly quickly
Jun 10 11:37:59 <Ainulindale> It's building as we speak
Jun 10 11:38:09 <Ainulindale> So if you have 10-20 minutes to wait I could put it online
Jun 10 11:38:34 <pbaxter> ok i can wait
Jun 10 11:39:11 <pbaxter> just please Ainulidale can you send me PM when you put it online? so i download immediatly and flash (as kernel i use the latest?
Jun 10 11:39:59 <Ainulindale> Yeah I will tell you
Jun 10 11:40:16 <pbaxter> thanks
Jun 10 11:44:22 <alphaone> PaulFertser: Did you report http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/433 ?
Jun 10 11:44:29 <alphaone> If so can you test and verify
Jun 10 11:48:43 <alphaone> PaulFertser: Just tested, seems fixed
Jun 10 11:50:00 <PaulFertser> alphaone: no, it wasn't me.
Jun 10 11:53:09 <PaulFertser> alphaone: i can only report "i'm unable to suspend after incoming call and it's driving me nuts" bug atm ;)
Jun 10 11:53:43 <mickey_away> this is what i'll be looking at today
Jun 10 11:54:03 <alphaone> PaulFertser: okay
Jun 10 11:54:26 <alphaone> PaulFertser: Yeah, seems that was one oeventsd rule, maybe other issure
Jun 10 11:54:29 <alphaone> issues
Jun 10 12:01:03 <shoragan> alexxy, do you still see http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/337?
Jun 10 12:04:00 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #438 (problem gnome-config->dbus) closed <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/438#comment:9>
Jun 10 12:07:47 <Ainulindale> pbaxter: bitbaking package-index and syncing in two minutes
Jun 10 12:08:24 <pbaxter> ok Ainulindale
Jun 10 12:09:13 <Ainulindale> latest lite online in 10... 9.... 8....
Jun 10 12:09:16 <Ainulindale> ping
Jun 10 12:09:18 <Ainulindale> It's there
Jun 10 12:09:53 <Ainulindale> and by the way msn-pecan is far better than libpurple-proto-msn
Jun 10 12:10:45 <pbaxter> thanks a lot Ainulindale
Jun 10 12:13:38 <Ainulindale> You're welcome
Jun 10 12:30:48 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: does shr-unstable for gta01 use andy-tracking HEAD already?
Jun 10 12:31:25 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: it'd be nice to have more feedback on kernel issues from SHR users.
Jun 10 12:31:59 <rtp> PaulFertser: it's still 2.6.24 according to http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta01/ . I wanted to play with my gta01 this morning and I stopped when seeing this
Jun 10 12:32:39 <PaulFertser> rtp: with the latest commit it seems that gta01 is actually usable.
Jun 10 12:32:49 <Ainulindale> Well I could bump it up
Jun 10 12:32:56 <rtp> PaulFertser: and what about the size of the uImage ?
Jun 10 12:33:01 <PaulFertser> rtp: less than 2M.
Jun 10 12:33:13 <PaulFertser> rtp: and Qi on GTA01 works, even with SDHC cards.
Jun 10 12:33:16 * rtp doesn't even think about testing it on his gta01bv3 :)
Jun 10 12:33:33 <PaulFertser> Oh, bv3 is rare :)
Jun 10 12:33:50 <Ainulindale> It should use it though.
Jun 10 12:33:53 <Ainulindale> It's autoreved.
Jun 10 12:34:02 <Ainulindale> But I don't think GTA01 image is up to date.
Jun 10 12:34:11 <rtp> PaulFertser: 50 devices iirc
Jun 10 12:35:22 <Ainulindale> Hmmm weird, it doesn't use latest I can't get that
Jun 10 12:35:29 <Ainulindale> Where is this thing defined?
Jun 10 12:35:30 <rtp> Ainulindale: can you make fresh uImage/rootfs.jffs2 for gta01 pleeeaaase ? :)
Jun 10 12:35:42 <Ainulindale> Of course I can
Jun 10 12:35:48 <Ainulindale> Just wait for new fat image and I will
Jun 10 12:36:22 <rtp> btw, imho there's no use making full image for gta01. will never fit in the flash
Jun 10 12:36:50 <Ainulindale> yep we don't do that anymore
Jun 10 12:37:01 <Ainulindale> At least I don't
Jun 10 12:37:06 <PaulFertser> rtp: well, i'm ready to fix any obvious regressions for bv3 as well.
Jun 10 12:37:19 <Ainulindale> rtp: I can't seem to find where the preferred version for gta01 is set
Jun 10 12:37:37 <CIA-69> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * rd654b3d15500 10/src/zhone: zhone: always use software_x11 evas engine
Jun 10 12:38:47 <rtp> PaulFertser: well, I can also provide kernel patches as long as I've enough free time available. I've other kernel stff to do :/
Jun 10 12:39:29 <rtp> Ainulindale: no problem. I've bv3 and bv4 so I can use my bv4
Jun 10 12:39:41 <Ainulindale> rtp: well that wasn't my question
Jun 10 12:40:01 <rtp> Ainulindale: ah ?
Jun 10 12:40:09 <Ainulindale> rtp: I was wondering where the kernel preferred version was set :-)
Jun 10 12:40:20 <rtp> oops :)
Jun 10 12:40:57 <rtp> there's no .conf file for gta01 ?
Jun 10 12:41:33 <Ainulindale> Yes there is
Jun 10 12:41:44 <Ainulindale> But I don't know how to override it for machine-gta01
Jun 10 12:42:57 <Ainulindale> Ah ok I saw that.
Jun 10 12:43:39 <rtp> use something related to PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel stuff ?
Jun 10 12:43:59 <Ainulindale> Ok pushed.
Jun 10 12:44:45 <Ainulindale> MarcOChapeau: new fat unstable is here
Jun 10 12:45:11 <Ainulindale> rtp: I'm launching lite for GTA01.
Jun 10 12:45:15 <MarcOChapeau> Ainulindale: will flash as soon as I get to a linux computer
Jun 10 12:45:18 <rtp> Ainulindale: \o/
Jun 10 12:45:23 <MarcOChapeau> flashing on windows is a PITA
Jun 10 12:45:40 <Ainulindale> nah I do that at work
Jun 10 12:45:47 <Ainulindale> Plus pitas and hommos are nice
Jun 10 12:47:50 <MarcOChapeau> :D
Jun 10 12:50:02 <Heinervdm> I just did opkg upgrade on SHR unstable, but now the icon of Dictator is gone. I think the shr version of it is missing the icon...
Jun 10 12:52:14 <Ainulindale> Heinervdm: might be
Jun 10 12:52:29 <Ainulindale> Could you open a ticket for that please?
Jun 10 12:52:35 <Heinervdm> ok
Jun 10 12:56:13 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: but don't blame me if users complain! I don't have a gta01 myself but i tested this kernel on josch's device and basic functionality (including suspend and with the latest patch audio) works. Do you use OM's defconfig and avoid custom patches in current SHR build for gta01?
Jun 10 13:00:53 <mrmoku> nytowl: is paroli-elementary still needed? mirko-paroli told me that python-elementary catched up and there is nothing missing...
Jun 10 13:01:45 <nytowl> mrmoku, not sure it's on my list of things to remove when necessary. I'll find out from mirko.
Jun 10 13:02:21 <mrmoku> ok, because as long as it depends on paroli-elementary we can't put paroli in the SHR feed...
Jun 10 13:02:33 <nytowl> mrmoku, have you guys figured out how to get the battery applet to use the internal method instead of hal ?
Jun 10 13:03:03 <mrmoku> nytowl: you mean without switching it manually in the configuration?
Jun 10 13:03:15 <nytowl> no programatically
Jun 10 13:03:30 <nytowl> or hardwired config
Jun 10 13:04:27 <mrmoku> nytowl: not yet I think... my fresh install is on Auto Detect :(
Jun 10 13:04:34 <Ainulindale> nytowl: did you see my comment on libmokoui2?
Jun 10 13:04:49 <Ainulindale> nytowl: you should cherry pick it and put it as a default in your image
Jun 10 13:05:05 <nytowl> Ainulindale, nope just woke up
Jun 10 13:05:15 <Ainulindale> well it's really helpful for python-pygtk software
Jun 10 13:05:18 <nytowl> oe feed ?
Jun 10 13:05:20 <Ainulindale> finger friendly
Jun 10 13:05:20 <Ainulindale> yes
Jun 10 13:07:26 <nytowl> Ainulindale, nice to see you're recommending recipes that don't have shr depedencies
Jun 10 13:11:21 <KaZeR_mobi> hello there
Jun 10 13:11:25 * KaZeR_mobi is sending an SOS
Jun 10 13:12:23 <KaZeR_mobi> my phone is almost unusable, currently running SHR. i've been trying to connect since this morning, first time i succeed. it seems that after each call, phonekit or something else dies. i have to reboot
Jun 10 13:13:05 <KaZeR_mobi> i've opened a ticket http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/504
Jun 10 13:13:35 <KaZeR_mobi> . . .   _ _ _   . . .  . . .   _ _ _   . . . . . .   _ _ _   . . .
Jun 10 13:13:57 <rhkfin> KaZeR_mobi: OM2009 is almost concidered now :) (unofficially, of course, if you ask nytowl he might think something else :)
Jun 10 13:14:39 <Ainulindale> nytowl: well when I suggest stuff I've a good reason
Jun 10 13:14:45 <Ainulindale> If you steal stuff though it's bound not to work :-)
Jun 10 13:14:47 <Ainulindale> KaZeR_mobi: looking at it
Jun 10 13:14:54 <Ainulindale> KaZeR_mobi: I need your info too for navit split
Jun 10 13:15:14 <Ainulindale> KaZeR_mobi: could you try to reflash?
Jun 10 13:15:25 <nytowl> rhkfin, I'm hoping to get a new TR out today with 416 and 435 fixed
Jun 10 13:15:28 <Ainulindale> Maybe you overwritten the dbus conf with latest dbus
Jun 10 13:15:48 <Ainulindale> rtp: image almost there
Jun 10 13:16:48 <Ainulindale> nytowl: and you might want to consider putting my patches upstream
Jun 10 13:16:55 <Ainulindale> (svn.om)
Jun 10 13:17:14 <rhkfin> nytowl: AWESOME!!
Jun 10 13:17:28 <nytowl> Ainulindale, which patches ?
Jun 10 13:17:34 <Ainulindale> nytowl: for libmokoui2
Jun 10 13:17:36 <nytowl> you mean into oe.dev ?
Jun 10 13:17:39 <Ainulindale> nytowl: configure.ac & Makefile.am
Jun 10 13:17:42 <spaetz> Ainulindale: frameworkd is in a quite annoying state ATM too. It frequently suspends although I have ResourcePolicy enabled for Display
Jun 10 13:17:43 <Ainulindale> no, svn.om
Jun 10 13:17:48 <rhkfin> nytowl: kick vegyraupe to check the lost contacts in flash.. (SIM contacts are there, flash contacts aren't, I think..)
Jun 10 13:17:53 <Ainulindale> spaetz: this won't prevent suspend
Jun 10 13:17:55 <Ainulindale> CPU will
Jun 10 13:18:02 <spaetz> Yes, it will
Jun 10 13:18:03 <Ainulindale> resource policy for display just prevents dimming
Jun 10 13:18:09 <spaetz> Display should prevent both
Jun 10 13:18:15 <Ainulindale> That's not how I got it
Jun 10 13:18:19 <spaetz> at least from reading the code some time ago
Jun 10 13:18:19 <Ainulindale> And that's not how it behaves
Jun 10 13:18:34 <spaetz> sucks, that changed then.
Jun 10 13:18:39 <spaetz> ok
Jun 10 13:18:42 <nytowl> Ainulindale, ah I'm catching up need more caffeine 
Jun 10 13:18:48 <Ainulindale> Let me check specs
Jun 10 13:19:17 <nytowl> rhkfin, rumor has it those didn't show up until khiraly checked some stuff in
Jun 10 13:19:53 <rhkfin> nytowl: ok, so it shoudl work now. Great
Jun 10 13:22:34 <Ainulindale> spaetz: I confirm what I just said
Jun 10 13:22:47 <Ainulindale> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py;h=ed985546087287e78133ac5822ee72399384c10c;hb=HEAD
Jun 10 13:22:54 <Ainulindale> Display request removes idle_dim
Jun 10 13:22:59 <Ainulindale> from the states
Jun 10 13:24:12 <KaZeR_mobi> Ainulindale	KaZeR_mobi: could you try to reflash? -> done this morning. same issue
Jun 10 13:24:13 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #513 (Dictator is missing the desktop icon and some other files) created <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/513>
Jun 10 13:24:17 <spaetz> Ainulindale: ok, behavior changed than. It used to prevent it from entering ANY state beyond the prohibited one
Jun 10 13:24:36 <spaetz> I know that for sure, as I filed a bug in FSO and mickey fixed it
Jun 10 13:25:11 <spaetz> thanks for checking it out
Jun 10 13:25:39 <Ainulindale> Heinervdm: Fixing that
Jun 10 13:25:52 <Ainulindale> KaZeR_mobi: I regenerated an image this afternoon
Jun 10 13:26:00 <Ainulindale> If you can recheck, the put log to the max and give me all the info
Jun 10 13:26:01 <Ainulindale> I'd be glad
Jun 10 13:26:05 <Ainulindale> Sorry for the pain :-/
Jun 10 13:26:27 <alphaone> Ainulindale: That'S abug then imho
Jun 10 13:26:46 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #513 (Dictator is missing the desktop icon and some other files) closed <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/513#comment:1>
Jun 10 13:26:49 <Ainulindale> Heinervdm: fixed
Jun 10 13:26:51 <Heinervdm> Ainulindale: ok
Jun 10 13:26:52 <alphaone> As you need to ba awake in order to display something on the screen
Jun 10 13:27:20 <Ainulindale> Heinervdm: will regenerate the feed asap
Jun 10 13:27:49 <KaZeR_mobi> Ainulindale: not your fault, just really annoyed of not being able to use my phone for a few weeks..
Jun 10 13:28:09 <Ainulindale> KaZeR_mobi: well what is intriguing is that I can 
Jun 10 13:28:12 <Ainulindale> So I don't get your problem
Jun 10 13:28:22 <Heinervdm> Ainulindale: for me it's not that important, i only noticed it...
Jun 10 13:28:34 <Ainulindale> Well I was there, there was some light, so I did it :-)
Jun 10 13:28:36 <Ainulindale> Thanks for the report
Jun 10 13:28:59 <KaZeR_mobi> Ainulindale: then it is bad news
Jun 10 13:29:19 <KaZeR_mobi> Ainulindale: you want me to try with today's image from 14:21 ?
Jun 10 13:29:25 <Ainulindale> Yes please if you can
Jun 10 13:29:31 <Ainulindale> Then I'm interested in any report
Jun 10 13:29:40 <Ainulindale> I'll personally try to fix it if I can
Jun 10 13:29:47 <Ainulindale> (that means it won't ever get fixed)
Jun 10 13:30:51 <nytowl> mrmoku, would an python-elementary overide for shr suffice for paroli ?
Jun 10 13:31:27 <alphaone> KaZeR_mobi: What problem?
Jun 10 13:31:32 <Ainulindale> nytowl: I think so
Jun 10 13:32:05 <KaZeR_mobi> Ainulindale: don't worry, i know how it works ;)
Jun 10 13:32:05 <KaZeR_mobi> ok. i'm downloading, i will flash and will try to connect if i succeed.. otherwise i've already posted a few debug files in my ticket
Jun 10 13:32:05 <KaZeR_mobi> wish me luck!
Jun 10 13:32:13 <mrmoku> nytowl: we could try that... yeah
Jun 10 13:32:37 <mrmoku> nytowl: or just change the dependency in the shr/import branch only
Jun 10 13:33:16 <nytowl> your pushing that into OE dev ?
Jun 10 13:33:28 <mrmoku> nytowl: no
Jun 10 13:33:35 <KaZeR_mobi> alphaone: ticket #504 : dbus borked after receiving a call, or other causes i haven't pinpointed yet
Jun 10 13:34:07 <nytowl> mrmoku, whats the shr/import branch for then ?
Jun 10 13:34:16 <Ainulindale> nytowl: making people talk
Jun 10 13:34:27 <Ainulindale> nytowl: and then pouring it in OE dev when it's working properly
Jun 10 13:34:42 <mrmoku> nytowl: to get rid of our overlay
Jun 10 13:34:50 <mrmoku> to make building more simple
Jun 10 13:34:56 <mrmoku> and SHR more visible :)
Jun 10 13:35:27 <nytowl> with a load mouth like that at the wheel you guys think you're invisible :)
Jun 10 13:36:40 <alphaone> KaZeR_mobi: Try to just remove one line in your rules.yaml: There are two lines that RequestResource(CPU)
Jun 10 13:36:46 <alphaone> Try to remove the first
Jun 10 13:37:00 <alphaone> And see if it still kills you
Jun 10 13:38:08 <KaZeR_mobi> alphaone: thanks, trying right now
Jun 10 13:38:29 <Ainulindale> rtp: new GTA01 image is here
Jun 10 13:38:31 <Ainulindale> with latest kernel
Jun 10 13:39:45 <KaZeR_mobi> alphaone: the one from while: CallListContains("incoming"), right?
Jun 10 13:40:10 <alphaone> KaZeR_mobi: Yeah
Jun 10 13:40:12 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: regenerating the feed
Jun 10 13:40:17 <Ainulindale> latest images are up to date modulo libusb
Jun 10 13:40:23 <Ainulindale> (and etenà
Jun 10 13:40:24 <Ainulindale> )
Jun 10 13:40:30 <alphaone> The other one is more important because it has active as well
Jun 10 13:40:36 <KaZeR_mobi> alphaone: ok. thanks i'll try to call myself..
Jun 10 13:40:47 <shoragan> Ainulindale, spaetz: when you request Display, it shouldn't go beyond idle
Jun 10 13:40:56 <nytowl> KaZeR, restart framework first 
Jun 10 13:41:03 <alphaone> KaZeR_mobi: The problem is a race when oeventsd releases and rerequests the resource
Jun 10 13:41:04 <Ainulindale> Then it's a bug
Jun 10 13:41:11 <spaetz> shoragan: it does
Jun 10 13:41:30 <KaZeR_mobi> alphaone: i'm glad that you have an idea of the problem :)
Jun 10 13:41:35 <spaetz> I often suspend now when I do ResourcePolicy Display enabled
Jun 10 13:41:38 <rtp> Ainulindale: download in progress :)
Jun 10 13:41:45 <KaZeR_mobi> nytowl: yes of course :)
Jun 10 13:41:51 <mirko> hey
Jun 10 13:41:51 <KaZeR_mobi> suspens..
Jun 10 13:41:56 <KaZeR_mobi> uh. borked already
Jun 10 13:42:18 <KaZeR_mobi> Failed to handle dbus error: Resource Device is not enabled, current status is 'disabled', 73 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32 -> segfault of shr-messages
Jun 10 13:42:23 <mirko> which option in frameworkd.conf is responsible for dimming and afterwards blanking the screen?
Jun 10 13:42:23 <Ainulindale> shoragan: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/api/html/group__DBusConnection.html
Jun 10 13:42:26 <Ainulindale> woops
Jun 10 13:42:28 <Ainulindale>  159         self.next = self.states[nextIndex]
Jun 10 13:42:31 <Ainulindale> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py;h=ed985546087287e78133ac5822ee72399384c10c;hb=HEAD
Jun 10 13:42:34 <Ainulindale> this is wrong
Jun 10 13:42:36 <KaZeR_mobi> (and i'm connected here via gprs using my FR..)
Jun 10 13:42:39 <Ainulindale> if you want your behavior
Jun 10 13:42:50 <nytowl> mirko, it's in /etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd/rules.yaml
Jun 10 13:43:00 <mirko> nytowl: ah, ok - thanks
Jun 10 13:43:20 <spaetz> shoragan: and it's a regression. it used to not go *beyond* the prohibited state
Jun 10 13:44:44 <Ainulindale> Anyway I'm off guys I have to go
Jun 10 13:44:46 <Ainulindale> See you later
Jun 10 13:45:05 <shoragan> Ainulindale, it looks for not allowed states in 147
Jun 10 13:45:37 <alphaone> KaZeR_mobi: Yeah, it's annoying as hell
Jun 10 13:46:01 <alphaone> KaZeR_mobi: Oh, what's the "Device" resource?
Jun 10 13:46:21 <alphaone> That's a ophonekitd error, isn't it?
Jun 10 13:47:13 <alphaone> spaetz: We know and agree that it's a regression.
Jun 10 13:47:20 <KaZeR_mobi> alphaone: don't know, i have that when trying to access my sms using dbus
Jun 10 13:47:20 <alphaone> Just needs to get fixed now :-)
Jun 10 13:47:59 <alphaone> Please pe patient with shoragan, he just went through python/gdb hell fixing FSO bug #416
Jun 10 13:48:17 <alphaone> KaZeR_mobi: can you try accessing via cli-framework please?
Jun 10 13:49:25 <KaZeR_mobi> alphaone: if you guide me, no problem
Jun 10 13:49:38 <alphaone> Okay, run cli-framework
Jun 10 13:49:55 <alphaone> Then issue gsmsim.RetrieveMessagebook("all")
Jun 10 13:50:03 <alphaone> wait for reply
Jun 10 13:50:21 <KaZeR_mobi> (btw, since my flash from this morning, i get "Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged" for each dbus call)
Jun 10 13:50:37 <KaZeR_mobi> i didn't have it before but i had the crash before
Jun 10 13:50:37 <KaZeR_mobi> i'm in DBusException: org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled: Resource Device is not enabled, current status is 'disabled'
Jun 10 13:50:48 <alphaone> KaZeR_mobi: I also see that
Jun 10 13:50:56 <alphaone> Doesn't seem to affect stuff
Jun 10 13:51:08 <alphaone> Resource Device...
Jun 10 13:51:23 <alphaone> usageiface.ListResources()
Jun 10 13:52:05 <alphaone> usageiface.GetResourceUsers("GSM")
Jun 10 13:53:02 <alphaone> KaZeR_mobi: Can you post the results of those two?
Jun 10 13:56:16 <rhkfin> Anyone know how to change the battery gadget method (to internal) on command line: http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/475 (on GUI it's Illume Settings - Advanced - Battery Meter - Advanced - Hardware)
Jun 10 13:58:56 <rhkfin> ^ ie. does anyone know where're the illume settigs saved..
Jun 10 14:04:49 <rtp> Ainulindale: doesn't find /etc/init.d/rcS when booting... broken image ?
Jun 10 14:15:08 <rhkfin> Ainulindale: any ideas how to find what's been changed in the GIT to fix this: http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/475  <- illume battery gadget method from auto/hal to internal)
Jun 10 14:15:35 <rhkfin> Ainulindale: somewhere here, 10 days ago, am I right? http://shr.bearstech.com/git/
Jun 10 14:22:16 <|kahless|> hey ho!
Jun 10 14:24:40 <|kahless|> is there a way to regenerate all my "/usr/share/applications" files? sortdesk killed mine :(
Jun 10 14:26:39 <spaetz> |kahless|: reflash :)
Jun 10 14:26:53 <|kahless|> nooo!! i dont want to)
Jun 10 14:27:18 <|kahless|> ":)"
Jun 10 14:36:35 <Ainulindale> rtp: ah, sheesh, I don't know about that
Jun 10 14:37:26 <Ainulindale> rtp: it's apparently a lacking sysvinit
Jun 10 14:37:52 <Ainulindale> And it's not there, yes.
Jun 10 14:38:05 <Ainulindale> Why is that, now?
Jun 10 14:38:22 <Ainulindale> as well as SHR initscripts
Jun 10 14:38:22 <rhkfin> Ainulindale: any ideas how to find what's been changed in the GIT to fix this: http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/475  <- illume battery gadget method from auto/hal to internal)
Jun 10 14:38:40 <Ainulindale> rhkfin: Apart from looking in git I don't know
Jun 10 14:38:58 <rhkfin> Ainulindale: okay.. Tried to find it there but couldn't..
Jun 10 14:39:09 <Ainulindale> http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-themes.git;a=commit;h=60bf60a9c8ca9b13eaa2f80084ce06fbdf1558a7
Jun 10 14:39:25 <Ainulindale> You didn't try hard enough :-)
Jun 10 14:39:31 <rhkfin> Ainulindale: wow, how did you do it?!
Jun 10 14:39:36 <Ainulindale> It's magic
Jun 10 14:39:37 <Ainulindale> I can't tell
Jun 10 14:39:38 <rhkfin> Tried for some 30 minutes :)
Jun 10 14:39:49 <Ainulindale> (I just know which repo the file is in)
Jun 10 14:39:54 <rhkfin> right :9
Jun 10 14:40:34 <Ainulindale> rtp: my guess is some task is borked
Jun 10 14:40:43 <Ainulindale> I'd say task-base
Jun 10 14:41:12 <rtp> Ainulindale: arf. 
Jun 10 14:41:35 <rtp> Ainulindale: might be a good idea to remove the gta01 image in the build host 
Jun 10 14:41:54 <rhkfin> Ainulindale: it'll go straight into OM2009, thanks :)
Jun 10 14:41:57 <Ainulindale> Oh noes, it's taskboot
Jun 10 14:42:04 <Ainulindale> You're welcome rhkfin 
Jun 10 14:42:27 <Ainulindale> And it's truly not there
Jun 10 14:42:30 <Ainulindale> Why is that I can't tell
Jun 10 14:43:13 <Ainulindale> task-base depends on it
Jun 10 14:43:22 <Ainulindale> well regenerating it
Jun 10 14:44:59 <rtp> ok
Jun 10 14:45:25 <Ainulindale> rtp: if you were kind enough to diff previous testlab and current testlab
Jun 10 14:45:28 <Ainulindale> and tell me if something is missing
Jun 10 14:45:31 <Ainulindale> I'd be glad :-)
Jun 10 14:46:17 <rtp> I can't do that sorry /o\
Jun 10 14:46:26 <Ainulindale> Lazy ass! :-)
Jun 10 14:48:50 * rtp notes
Jun 10 14:49:32 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I'll leave the buildhost up to you for the next 3 hours or so
Jun 10 14:49:40 <Ainulindale> I'll launch shr-lite for GTA01 & package-index
Jun 10 14:49:45 <Ainulindale> Knowing I already built the feed today
Jun 10 14:51:47 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: ok
Jun 10 15:03:25 <TAsn> Ainulindale, is libmokoui2 default in the image?
Jun 10 15:08:58 <TAsn> does anyone know why did dos set #339 to enhancement?
Jun 10 15:12:40 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #495 (Create Archive/Restore System for /home/${USER}) updated <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/495#comment:3>
Jun 10 15:45:02 <alphaone> shoragan: ping
Jun 10 15:45:25 <Ainulindale> hey
Jun 10 15:46:06 <shoragan> pong
Jun 10 15:47:05 <alphaone> shoragan: Use case: I call from my landline my FR
Jun 10 15:47:14 <alphaone> Accept the call, wait
Jun 10 15:47:38 <alphaone> Then I hang up on the landline and almost immediately press the release button on the FR
Jun 10 15:48:22 <alphaone> Result is this: http://pastebin.ca/1455470
Jun 10 15:49:05 <alphaone> After the hangup the idlenotifier stops working
Jun 10 15:49:43 <alphaone> shoragan: 
Jun 10 15:49:44 <alphaone> root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg info frameworkd   
Jun 10 15:49:44 <alphaone> Package: frameworkd
Jun 10 15:49:44 <alphaone> Version: 0.8.5.1+gitr1410+74fc21962e9bbc7f2a89c74f12c15ce1b5861bfb-r4
Jun 10 15:52:40 <alphaone> shoragan: It seems that framework just completely halts...
Jun 10 15:53:52 <alphaone> shoragan: Sorry, not the thing you want to hear I guess :-/
Jun 10 15:55:16 <dos1|neo> alphaone, mrmoku: hey. do you have any thoughts about that issue after call, which causes resume?
Jun 10 15:55:29 <dos1|neo> i think i know, why it happens
Jun 10 15:55:30 <alphaone> dbus itself still seems to work
Jun 10 15:55:33 <playya> alphaone, is it possible to reproduce this from my mobile?
Jun 10 15:55:47 <alphaone> playya: I think it should
Jun 10 15:56:09 <dos1|neo> playya: what issue?
Jun 10 15:56:31 <playya> fso #407
Jun 10 15:57:03 <dos1|neo> alphaone: what do you think will happebyn, when oeventsd wants to occupy resource, when ousaged is still resuming resources?
Jun 10 15:57:15 <dos1|neo> s/byn/n/
Jun 10 15:57:16 <bzzbot> dos1|neo meant: alphaone: what do you think will happen, when oeventsd wants to occupy resource, when ousaged is still resuming resources?
Jun 10 15:58:43 <alphaone> dos1|neo: What always seems to happen as soon as oeventsd is involved: It will crash
Jun 10 15:59:05 <mrmoku> :)
Jun 10 15:59:21 <dos1|neo> alphaone: well, now it crashes on every call causing resume
Jun 10 15:59:44 <dos1|neo> alphaone: removing OccupyResource from rules.yaml fixes that
Jun 10 16:00:58 <dos1|neo> mrmoku: that's now our main issue (reson, why people complain that new dbus doesn't fix their problems)
Jun 10 16:01:12 <dos1|neo> it's also the most irritating bug for me
Jun 10 16:02:54 <dos1|neo> alphaone: i think that behaviour was introduced by mickey_away's new suspend/resume handling in ousaged
Jun 10 16:03:13 <dos1|neo> alphaone: any chances for fixing it quickly? :)
Jun 10 16:03:52 <alphaone> dos1|neo: No
Jun 10 16:05:08 <dos1|neo> so we have to workaround it...
Jun 10 16:05:11 <dos1|neo> but it's baaaaad
Jun 10 16:05:46 <dos1|neo> as then it will be possible, that someone calls me, and before i answer (or reject) it will go to suspend...
Jun 10 16:06:54 <alphaone> damn, now that everything is turned up to debug it doesn't happen anymore
Jun 10 16:06:55 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #495 (Create Archive/Restore System for /home/${USER}) updated <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/495#comment:4>
Jun 10 16:09:04 <alphaone> dos1|neo: You can't work around these or similar issues
Jun 10 16:09:20 <alphaone> dos1|neo: Also the problem I'm debugging right now
Jun 10 16:09:39 <alphaone> Whole framework froze
Jun 10 16:10:09 <PaulFertser> alphaone: python hanging on some futex?
Jun 10 16:10:54 <alphaone> yes
Jun 10 16:10:57 <alphaone> iirc
Jun 10 16:11:02 <dos1|neo> alphaone: #415 is workaroundable by commenting OccupyResource in rules.yaml
Jun 10 16:11:10 <alphaone> dos1|neo: I did
Jun 10 16:11:18 <dos1|neo> alphaone: without it commented it happens all the time
Jun 10 16:11:48 <alphaone> -                                                                                      
Jun 10 16:11:48 <alphaone>     while: CallListContains("incoming")                                                
Jun 10 16:11:48 <alphaone>     filters: Not(CallListContains("active"))                                           
Jun 10 16:11:48 <alphaone>     actions:                                                                           
Jun 10 16:11:48 <alphaone>              - RingTone()                                                           
Jun 10 16:11:49 <alphaone>              - Command('xset -display localhost:0 s reset')                         
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Jun 10 16:11:57 <alphaone>     while: CallStatus()                                                             
Jun 10 16:11:59 <alphaone>     filters: Or(HasAttr(status, "outgoing"), HasAttr(status, "active"))             
Jun 10 16:12:01 <alphaone>     actions:                                                                        
Jun 10 16:12:03 <alphaone>             - OccupyResource(CPU)                                                   
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Jun 10 16:12:07 <alphaone> That's what I have
Jun 10 16:12:15 <alphaone> Doesn't seem to fix it, only makes it less likely to occur
Jun 10 16:13:40 <dos1|neo> alphaone: you mean whole frameworkd froze, or just suspend and phone functionality after trying to suspend?
Jun 10 16:14:54 <alphaone> okay, IBM tech is here
Jun 10 16:15:04 <alphaone> need to go off for a while
Jun 10 16:15:17 <alphaone> Try #3, lets hope my X200s gets fixed
Jun 10 16:15:19 <alphaone> bye
Jun 10 16:15:26 <mrmobil> good luck
Jun 10 16:15:28 <alphaone> everythiing froze
Jun 10 16:15:34 <alphaone> had to kill -09 it
Jun 10 16:15:36 <alphaone> -9
Jun 10 16:18:32 <dos1|neo> alphaone|gone: i'm talking about just suspend problem, not full froze
Jun 10 16:20:03 * mrmoku off too... for fedora maintainance update :P
Jun 10 16:21:35 <Zorkman> hmmm frameworkd keeps using 10-*15% of cpu once again... is this normal?
Jun 10 16:26:28 <onen|openBmap> rhkfin: hi
Jun 10 16:27:02 <Zorkman> llo
Jun 10 16:27:08 <Zorkman> whats new onen|openBmap?
Jun 10 16:27:58 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: I lack some sleep ;-)
Jun 10 16:28:19 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: things go well. I get always more nice comments, that helps to keep mood hacking
Jun 10 16:29:04 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: I am a little bit annoyed by the comment from rhkfin, because he is *so* right :-) We already talked about this, the website map area needs serious rework
Jun 10 16:29:17 <Zorkman> and the comments are right; it's a nice app with a goal everybody should support :)
Jun 10 16:29:36 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: I am really looking forward for our data being available, so that we can start working with alphaone|gone and shoragan
Jun 10 16:30:35 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: the next step then, would be for me to open up the website to collaboration, Nick seems ok with it. Have to see how this could be done. Then all these kind of aspects could be done by others
Jun 10 16:31:04 <Zorkman> any ETA on all this?
Jun 10 16:31:23 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: I must say I am very happy that I get now backing. But really sad of the energy I had to put, because oci and ch would no see the things the same we as us
Jun 10 16:31:40 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: it depends if you help :-P
Jun 10 16:32:16 <Zorkman> onen|openBmap: believe me, if I could I would
Jun 10 16:32:17 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: jokes aside: data available for download, end of the month, is waht Nick try to do
Jun 10 16:32:33 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: I was just kiding, I believe you. 
Jun 10 16:33:00 <Zorkman> onen|openBmap: only thing I can do is promote it to my friends, bug-testing, translation... and nagging to you :p
Jun 10 16:33:25 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: then for the website, I just had some talks with Nick, but nothing is settled. As he will probably see his time decreasing soon, I would say it might be his last (big) steps: raw data, and opening hte website to contributors
Jun 10 16:33:50 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: I wish more people would do the same :-)
Jun 10 16:34:26 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: wishlist on my side (he he, not always the same who gives wishes)
Jun 10 16:34:45 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: have a nice app taking advantage of the positioning through gsm on the phone
Jun 10 16:35:01 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: see people take care of a logger on other platforms
Jun 10 16:35:01 <Zorkman> yeah that would be very niec
Jun 10 16:35:33 <F4t> lindi-, ping
Jun 10 16:35:53 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: as I wrote in my last email, I have a prototype, working good enough for this. But when raw data will be there, then shoragan and I can start working on sth more elaborated together, possibly in fso
Jun 10 16:36:46 <Zorkman> I really hope this project will gain more and more traction
Jun 10 16:37:31 * onen|openBmap is back to emails answering
Jun 10 16:37:52 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: I try. I stepped into the French community yesterday (irc), to try lobying on it
Jun 10 16:38:13 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: I have to write an article for a French telecom news website to talk about the project
Jun 10 16:38:23 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: I will be at LinuxTag
Jun 10 16:38:25 <Zorkman> super
Jun 10 16:38:34 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: I need tiiiiiiiiimmmmmmeeeee!
Jun 10 16:38:48 <lindi-> F4t: pong
Jun 10 16:39:15 * Zorkman scp TIME root@onen|openBmap:/
Jun 10 16:39:27 <F4t> lindi-, i've installed the kernel patch, it says bad magic number....
Jun 10 16:39:30 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: so I hope someone will promote it on the French om community, someone else in the German om community, and maybe get outside of om community, to, at least, linux one
Jun 10 16:39:55 <F4t> lindi-, and now it desnt boot saying "BUG: recent printk recursion!"
Jun 10 16:39:56 * onen|openBmap gets a warning about untrusted key :-P
Jun 10 16:40:46 <lindi-> F4t: did you use mem=127M?
Jun 10 16:40:47 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: I really want to see th eproject grows, as team members. because I cannot do everything.
Jun 10 16:41:12 <F4t> lindi-, even with version 2 of the fix?
Jun 10 16:41:20 <lindi-> F4t: there is no code to say "bad magic" number. what does it really print?
Jun 10 16:41:22 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: people want features, but I need time for this, so I try to get more people involved
Jun 10 16:41:29 <lindi-> F4t: yes
Jun 10 16:41:33 <F4t> lindi-, the user land app
Jun 10 16:41:42 <lindi-> F4t: it says "invalid magic"
Jun 10 16:41:45 <F4t> ye
Jun 10 16:41:52 <lindi-> not "bad magic number"
Jun 10 16:42:02 <F4t> sec let me try to set mem=127m
Jun 10 16:42:12 <Zorkman> onen|openBmap: i fully understand
Jun 10 16:42:17 <onen|openBmap> by the way, I am looking for more FRs to be able to log all the time all the operators when on the move. If you have FRs (2) you don'tuse, and want to sell, you can contact me
Jun 10 16:43:31 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: the thing is, I don't think I will be able to keep this level of time in the project. So I focus more and more to promotion.
Jun 10 16:43:42 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: and now, the app logs pretty much the most important
Jun 10 16:43:57 <F4t> lindi-, how can i modify uboot menu from windows?
Jun 10 16:44:09 <F4t> or give this parameter?
Jun 10 16:44:11 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: so I don't need to hurry as before to bring new versions
Jun 10 16:44:18 <lindi-> F4t: you run windows on fr?
Jun 10 16:44:29 <stefan_schmidt> http://mjg59.livejournal.com/111453.html
Jun 10 16:44:37 <F4t> lindi-, no, i run windows on my host...
Jun 10 16:44:46 <lindi-> F4t: forget host, edit uboot on fr
Jun 10 16:44:47 <F4t> lindi-, how do i boot the moko with a specific parameter?
Jun 10 16:45:06 <lindi-> F4t: uboot-envedit is the tool to configure u-boot
Jun 10 16:45:18 <F4t> and if i have QI in the nand?
Jun 10 16:46:01 <Zorkman> F4t: you can only modifu uboot env in NAND
Jun 10 16:46:09 <Zorkman> s/modifu/modify
Jun 10 16:46:29 <lindi-> F4t: try to decide which boot loader you use :)
Jun 10 16:47:52 <F4t> lindi-, i have uboot in NOR, and qi in nand
Jun 10 16:48:00 <F4t> i assume i cant modify the nor boot
Jun 10 16:48:24 <PaulFertser> F4t: yes, neither nor u-boot nor the environment it uses.
Jun 10 16:48:26 <Zorkman> you can, but only with a debug board
Jun 10 16:48:54 <PaulFertser> Zorkman: in fact a simple hardware hacking (one TP short to GND) is enough to reflash u-boot.
Jun 10 16:48:59 <F4t> sec, reflashing working kernel
Jun 10 16:49:58 <Zorkman> F4t: how did you let windows detect the FR when in NOR u-boot (for flashing purposes)? I succeeded in doing it on a few other machines, but this one can't recognize it (it does when it is booted)
Jun 10 16:50:49 <F4t> F4t, i followed the guide from the wiki, when windows asked for the drivers, i directed it to the inf
Jun 10 16:51:00 <F4t> Zorkman*
Jun 10 16:51:02 <F4t> :)
Jun 10 16:51:12 <Zorkman> doesn't work here :)
Jun 10 16:51:25 <F4t> what does it do? doesnt do?
Jun 10 16:51:31 <F4t> doesnt ask for drivers?
Jun 10 16:51:36 <Zorkman> it asks for drivers
Jun 10 16:51:54 <Zorkman> but when i point it to the drivers, it doesn't install them, it just says that he didn't find any approriate drivers
Jun 10 16:52:27 <Zorkman> i have a neo1973.inf and a neorndis.inf
Jun 10 16:52:33 <F4t> what windows version?
Jun 10 16:52:43 <Zorkman> win xp sp3
Jun 10 16:52:45 <F4t> 32 bit? 64 bit?
Jun 10 16:52:56 <Zorkman> 32
Jun 10 16:53:31 <F4t> wait, thats not the uboot infs
Jun 10 16:54:29 <Zorkman> F4t: can you pastebin.com your inf?
Jun 10 16:55:03 <F4t> Zorkman, download openmokdfu.zip from http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=166&release_id=162
Jun 10 16:55:09 <F4t> it contains the inf and the driver
Jun 10 16:55:56 <F4t> lindi-, ok, im i got a booted moko in shr, how do i modify QI to boot with parameters?
Jun 10 16:56:00 <Zorkman> F4t: oh darn, stupid of me to forget
Jun 10 16:56:54 <PaulFertser> F4t: are you going to boot from SD?
Jun 10 16:57:01 <PaulFertser> F4t: then it's /boot/append-GTA02
Jun 10 16:57:07 <PaulFertser> F4t: read Qi wiki if unsure.
Jun 10 16:57:16 <PaulFertser> s/wiki/wiki page/
Jun 10 16:57:17 <bzzbot> PaulFertser meant: F4t: read Qi wiki page if unsure.
Jun 10 16:57:18 <F4t> PaulFertser, im going to boot kernel with reboot=10 and mem=127m
Jun 10 16:57:28 <PaulFertser> F4t: yes, but are you going to boot from SD?
Jun 10 16:57:37 <F4t> PaulFertser, no
Jun 10 16:58:12 <PaulFertser> F4t: then you can't modify kernel command line used in Qi unless you (or somebody else) recompile Qi.
Jun 10 17:00:58 <F4t> PaulFertser, lovely
Jun 10 17:01:23 <lindi-> F4t: you can also try u-boot
Jun 10 17:02:00 <F4t> lindi-, what command can i use to check what parameters current kernel was booted with?
Jun 10 17:02:26 <lindi-> F4t: cat /proc/cmdline
Jun 10 17:02:31 <lindi-> F4t: or dmesg
Jun 10 17:03:52 <F4t> yep, it definetly ignores the /boot/append-GTA02 from the internal memory
Jun 10 17:04:42 <PaulFertser> F4t: no doubt
Jun 10 17:04:52 <lindi-> F4t: Qi does not even understand jffs2
Jun 10 17:05:02 <lindi-> F4t: so it can't mount your filesystem on NAND to read that file
Jun 10 17:05:33 <lindi-> i think it only does vfat and ext2(3?), right?
Jun 10 17:06:03 <F4t> ok, can i connect NOR u-boot to pc somehow and tell it manually what to boot (onetime)?
Jun 10 17:06:27 <lindi-> F4t: yep
Jun 10 17:06:59 <F4t> lindi-, any idea how to do it in windows?
Jun 10 17:07:35 <lindi-> F4t: you just talk to usb ACM device with some terminal emulator
Jun 10 17:07:45 <lindi-> F4t: i don't have windows, can't really test
Jun 10 17:08:07 <F4t> lindi-, at what stage does it get recognised as ACM device instead of the DFU one?
Jun 10 17:08:24 <lindi-> F4t: i think it is composite device that does both
Jun 10 17:08:29 <lindi-> F4t: oops, no
Jun 10 17:08:37 <lindi-> F4t: there's a command to enable acm i think
Jun 10 17:08:46 <lindi-> F4t: the default menu has that one
Jun 10 17:09:01 <lindi-> (I hope i remember this correctly now)
Jun 10 17:09:04 <F4t> the set console to usb? but it kicks me back to menu almost instantly
Jun 10 17:09:22 <lindi-> F4t: yes, it is supposed to do that
Jun 10 17:09:32 <PaulFertser> lindi-: to me it seems like it's composite device, when i boot to nor i can both dfu-util or use ACM device.
Jun 10 17:09:41 <F4t> oh..
Jun 10 17:11:20 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: what about patching kernel itself to have a hardcoded mem=127 ?
Jun 10 17:12:02 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, that can work for me, if someone could point me to where i patch it :)
Jun 10 17:16:18 <DocScrutinizer> we should have a ramconsole=[yes|no] kernel cmdline parameter. "no" disabling the patched code to write printk to ramconsole-buffer. "yes" should do a mem_upper_limit -= 1M
Jun 10 17:16:25 <F4t> yay..... im in the uboot cmdline menu thingy
Jun 10 17:18:25 <DocScrutinizer> or better make that ramconsole=<integer>. int=0 is "no" in above, int>0 is "yes" and memupper -= ramconsole-int
Jun 10 17:19:27 <DocScrutinizer> default for ramconsole should be "1M"
Jun 10 17:23:47 <F4t> did i mention that VMWARE RULEZ yet?
Jun 10 17:25:56 <F4t> ok, quick question how do i disable auto poweroff while im in uboot console?
Jun 10 17:27:52 <Blu3> type something
Jun 10 17:29:43 <khiraly1> re
Jun 10 17:30:36 <Blu3> 'lo
Jun 10 17:36:23 <F4t> ok is there a simple way to add what i need to the menu without copying the whole line there?!
Jun 10 17:36:35 <F4t> (uboot console)
Jun 10 17:39:09 <Blu3> hmm
Jun 10 17:39:31 <Blu3> frameworkd from yesterday is taking a constant 65% cpu
Jun 10 17:39:55 <Blu3> f4, i think you need to cut and paste the whole thing
Jun 10 17:44:18 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: possible but i don't think i quite like it...
Jun 10 17:44:34 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: though for mem it's ok as it affects only gta02.
Jun 10 17:45:23 <F4t> Ok, how do i reset uboot-env back to normal after i messed it up?
Jun 10 17:45:36 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: and a decent ramconsole=<int> cmdline option would be most preferable
Jun 10 17:45:36 <F4t> reflashing uboot doesnt help...
Jun 10 17:46:25 <DocScrutinizer> reflash uboot-env partition. alas there seems to be no image
Jun 10 17:46:33 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: in fact you almost convinced me that mem=127 should be the default on gta01 and that ramconsole should always be enabled, just in case.
Jun 10 17:48:03 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, so what do i do?
Jun 10 17:48:37 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, have to run. Buy food, tomorrow shops closed
Jun 10 17:49:29 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: enjoy your nearby shop :)
Jun 10 17:49:57 <F4t> "WARNING!!! Never flash an u-boot-env (mtdblock1) that does not come from your own Neo."
Jun 10 17:58:23 <F4t> lindi-, reboot=10 mem=127M?
Jun 10 17:59:48 <lindi-> F4t: panic=10
Jun 10 18:00:05 <F4t> ah crap
Jun 10 18:08:39 <PaulFertser> alphaone|gone: please take a look at https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/useless_buzzfix/
Jun 10 18:09:59 <PaulFertser> ChristW: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/useless_buzzfix/
Jun 10 18:15:51 <F4t> lindi-, checked paramters of kernel, panic=10 mem=127M, it boots, i make it panic, it tries to reboot, and is stuck dispaying the openmoko logo....
Jun 10 18:15:57 <F4t> displaying*
Jun 10 18:17:41 <F4t> lindi-, ping
Jun 10 18:18:08 <TAsn> Is there anyone here from tuxbrain?
Jun 10 18:18:30 <TAsn> dos1, here?
Jun 10 18:19:16 <TAsn> dos1, why did you change #339 to be an enhancement?
Jun 10 18:20:34 <dos1> TAsn: is our stack expected to support multiple calls?
Jun 10 18:20:41 <dos1> TAsn: if no, then it's enhancement
Jun 10 18:20:47 <TAsn> are you joking?
Jun 10 18:20:48 <dos1> TAsn: if yes, then it's defect
Jun 10 18:20:55 <TAsn> that's a sure YES
Jun 10 18:21:01 <TAsn> not supporting call waiting?
Jun 10 18:21:06 <dos1> TAsn: i'm talking on actual state
Jun 10 18:21:24 <TAsn> I don't think I get you
Jun 10 18:21:42 <TAsn> do you agree having call waiting is a must?
Jun 10 18:21:56 <dos1> TAsn: for me no
Jun 10 18:22:08 <TAsn> are you for real?
Jun 10 18:22:14 <TAsn> what if you are in a call
Jun 10 18:22:17 <dos1> TAsn: as i don't have call waiting support in my prepaid :P
Jun 10 18:22:27 <TAsn> oh. ;)
Jun 10 18:22:28 <TAsn> but here
Jun 10 18:22:31 <TAsn> it hangs my calls
Jun 10 18:22:33 <TAsn> which is terrible
Jun 10 18:22:40 <TAsn> I don't mind not being able to answer the second one
Jun 10 18:22:45 <dos1> TAsn: can't you disable that by some ussd?
Jun 10 18:22:46 <TAsn> but hanging the first is NOT good.
Jun 10 18:22:54 <TAsn> disable call waiting?
Jun 10 18:22:56 <dos1> TAsn: yep
Jun 10 18:23:12 <TAsn> but I want to see if I get another call... (that might be more important)
Jun 10 18:23:21 <TAsn> and since call waiting is the standard here
Jun 10 18:23:28 <TAsn> ppl may not call again if they think my phone is off
Jun 10 18:23:41 <TAsn> and I don't appreciate voice messages (and people know that)
Jun 10 18:23:53 <TAsn> so that will make me miss calls, ones that may be important.
Jun 10 18:24:11 <dos1> TAsn: well, here it's different when phone is off and when it's busy
Jun 10 18:24:19 <TAsn> in conclusion, the fact that it's not important to you, doesn't mean it's not important to everyone else.
Jun 10 18:24:33 <TAsn> dos1, hm.. that's something worth checking then.
Jun 10 18:24:35 <dos1> TAsn: but from technical point of view it's still enhancement
Jun 10 18:25:02 <TAsn> as I said almost everyone (99.9999%) here have call waiting
Jun 10 18:25:08 <dos1> TAsn: make it blocker (priority), i agree, but i think it's still enhancenment
Jun 10 18:25:16 <TAsn> so I'm not really sure how it behaves :)
Jun 10 18:25:19 <TAsn> dos1, done, will do.
Jun 10 18:25:41 <TAsn> btw
Jun 10 18:25:47 <TAsn> it's not only a phonegui problem
Jun 10 18:25:51 <TAsn> it's mostly upstream
Jun 10 18:25:54 <dos1> yep
Jun 10 18:26:07 <dos1> is on FSO trac ticket for that?
Jun 10 18:26:30 <TAsn> not sure
Jun 10 18:27:03 <lindi-> F4t: what displays openmoko logo?
Jun 10 18:27:39 <F4t> lindi-, the phone
Jun 10 18:27:57 <F4t> lindi-, i think its because the default boot is from flash, how do i change default boot option in uboot's env?
Jun 10 18:28:04 <lindi-> F4t: yep but what program?
Jun 10 18:28:05 <F4t> i mean from SD
Jun 10 18:28:24 <F4t> lindi-, no program, the reboot logo....
Jun 10 18:28:25 <lindi-> F4t: put your uboot environment online
Jun 10 18:28:47 <lindi-> F4t: you need software to print something to screen surely
Jun 10 18:28:56 <TAsn> dos1, I can't find one.
Jun 10 18:29:29 <dos1> TAsn: then i suggest opening one ;)
Jun 10 18:29:44 <dos1> (IMHO it should be handled properly in milestone6)
Jun 10 18:29:48 <TAsn> dos1, do you by any chance have an fso account? :)
Jun 10 18:30:01 <dos1> yep, i have
Jun 10 18:30:34 <TAsn> mind opening one :)
Jun 10 18:30:59 <F4t> lindi-, when you turn on the phone, i guess it's uboot's openmoko logo
Jun 10 18:31:12 <TAsn> ?
Jun 10 18:32:20 <dos1> TAsn: ok, but not now ;x
Jun 10 18:32:32 <TAsn> dos1, thanks :)
Jun 10 18:32:33 <dos1> BTW
Jun 10 18:32:39 <dos1> have you seen project B?
Jun 10 18:33:07 <dos1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFuwhPXYxxI (at 18:37, and later too)
Jun 10 18:33:37 <TAsn> sec
Jun 10 18:33:38 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #339 (receiving an incoming call when already on line) updated <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/339#comment:8>
Jun 10 18:34:59 <TAsn> bah, it's taking ages to load
Jun 10 18:35:58 <TAsn> dos1, while it's buffering, does he say anything interesting about it?
Jun 10 18:37:25 <TAsn> nvm, watching ;)
Jun 10 18:38:23 <PaulFertser> alphaone|gone: i have a better soldering iron but it's broken atm, moreover this huge one better corresponds to the "random" definition. ;)
Jun 10 18:42:17 <TAsn> dos1, it's unbearable to watch
Jun 10 18:42:18 <TAsn> too slow
Jun 10 18:42:29 <dos1> hmm
Jun 10 18:42:29 <TAsn> mind giving me a summary?
Jun 10 18:42:37 <TAsn> what's project b exactly?
Jun 10 18:42:39 <dos1> just click on 18:30
Jun 10 18:42:41 <dos1> and watch
Jun 10 18:42:41 <mrmoku> TAsn: israelian censorship slowdown? :P
Jun 10 18:42:52 <TAsn> mrmoku, probably :)
Jun 10 18:42:57 <TAsn> mrmoku, ppl have to watch it before I do
Jun 10 18:42:59 <dos1> he has project b in his hand for few seconds
Jun 10 18:43:17 <TAsn> mrmoku, and remove the offending part
Jun 10 18:43:18 <TAsn> s
Jun 10 18:43:21 <TAsn> dos1, saw it
Jun 10 18:43:28 <TAsn> can't really say anything smart about it
Jun 10 18:43:34 <TAsn> all I saw is a black block ;)
Jun 10 18:43:38 <dos1> in talk there is nothing new
Jun 10 18:43:48 <dos1> TAsn: hehe, but it's more than nothing! :D
Jun 10 18:43:55 <TAsn> I can tell you one thing, they haven't improved their designing abilities :)
Jun 10 18:44:11 <TAsn> ok, they have
Jun 10 18:44:16 <TAsn> but not by a lot :)
Jun 10 18:44:36 <TAsn> onen|openBmap, whey don't you publish obm when you are away?
Jun 10 18:44:36 <TAsn> :)
Jun 10 18:45:02 <TAsn> dos1, what do you think about the black block?
Jun 10 18:45:55 <onen|openBmap> TAsn: what do you mean? That my nick is onen_away, and not onen|openBmap_away?
Jun 10 18:46:02 <TAsn> duh. ;)
Jun 10 18:46:10 <mrmoku> onen_away|openBmap
Jun 10 18:46:49 <dos1> TAsn: nothing. still don't know anything about it :x
Jun 10 18:46:58 <dos1> TAsn: it doesn't look like phone :P
Jun 10 18:47:04 <dos1> but they said it isn't phone
Jun 10 18:47:15 <dos1> so everything is ok :D
Jun 10 18:47:38 <TAsn> lol
Jun 10 18:50:17 <spaetz> so what¨s with project b?
Jun 10 18:50:34 <TAsn> spaetz, it's a square black block.
Jun 10 18:50:43 <dos1> with large screen
Jun 10 18:50:49 <dos1> and probably some buttons on bottom
Jun 10 18:50:50 <spaetz> ahh, so  nothing new
Jun 10 18:50:54 <TAsn> yeah
Jun 10 18:50:57 <dos1> and openmoko logo i think on bottom left
Jun 10 18:50:58 <dos1> :D
Jun 10 18:51:08 <spaetz> I've seen Sean holding up one from 5 meter distance
Jun 10 18:51:11 <TAsn> and it seems like it doesn't have front panel edges blocking the screen
Jun 10 18:51:11 <TAsn> :)
Jun 10 18:51:23 <TAsn> spaetz, why didn't you steal it?
Jun 10 18:51:39 <dos1> TAsn: you don't know if it has touchscreen :P
Jun 10 18:51:42 <TAsn> or at least take a photo of it :)
Jun 10 18:51:55 <spaetz> well, he was on the speaker's platform, so it would have been a bit ov$bvious :-)
Jun 10 18:52:03 <TAsn> dos1, either way, it's sure doesn't have front panel edges that block the touch screen :)
Jun 10 18:52:08 <spaetz> plus I'm still not sure if it's interesting to me
Jun 10 18:52:19 <dos1> well
Jun 10 18:52:24 <spaetz> I know that it isn't a navigation device though. (my first guess)
Jun 10 18:52:24 <TAsn> spaetz, :)
Jun 10 18:52:39 <dos1> until we don't know what it is, we can't be sure it's interesting for us
Jun 10 18:52:46 <TAsn> dos1, ++
Jun 10 18:52:51 <TAsn> spaetz, and I like mysteries...
Jun 10 18:53:02 <mrmoku> dos1: until we know what it is... it is uninteresting ;)
Jun 10 18:53:06 <spaetz> hehe, that's why we own freerunners
Jun 10 18:53:19 <spaetz> so why did we not get a call? what is broken today?
Jun 10 18:53:27 <fredrin> maybe it's just a scam to keep getting money from investors. lol
Jun 10 18:53:35 <TAsn> fredrin, :)
Jun 10 18:53:39 <TAsn> but without that
Jun 10 18:53:46 <TAsn> and after they dropped the gta03
Jun 10 18:53:51 <TAsn> they don't really produce anything
Jun 10 18:53:52 <TAsn> ...
Jun 10 18:54:03 <mrmoku> keeps the costs down :P
Jun 10 18:54:18 <fredrin> run servers? 
Jun 10 18:54:25 <TAsn> :)
Jun 10 18:54:30 <TAsn> that's good for the short run
Jun 10 18:54:35 <TAsn> but for the long run, I'm not sure.
Jun 10 18:55:10 <TAsn> maybe he should consider using adsense in openmoko.com :)
Jun 10 18:55:22 <TAsn> they can put iphone/g1/pre/openmoko ads in there :)
Jun 10 18:55:49 <TAsn> though I don't think they'll get many clicks.
Jun 10 18:55:51 * wpwrak wonders if anyone will figure out how to figure out what it is :)
Jun 10 18:55:57 <fredrin> or just try to sell as much of the phones they got 
Jun 10 18:56:11 <TAsn> wpwrak, :}
Jun 10 18:56:20 <fredrin> lower the price and just push it out the door, more people using them better for the comunity and om, imho
Jun 10 18:56:25 <dos1> wpwrak: oh, so there is possibility to figure out, what it is?
Jun 10 18:56:34 <dos1> :>
Jun 10 18:56:56 <TAsn> today I get mail from koolu
Jun 10 18:57:01 <TAsn> suggesting to fix my buzz for free
Jun 10 18:57:08 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: Hey. Say do you probably know what a talented solder-equipped gta01 user can do to fix some power-consumption bugs?
Jun 10 18:57:12 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: :)
Jun 10 18:57:14 <TAsn> and I swear to god, I never noticed the buzz until today
Jun 10 18:57:24 <TAsn> (after I got their message)
Jun 10 18:57:39 <DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: are you talking about google? :-)
Jun 10 18:58:06 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: indeed. google is good for finding things :)
Jun 10 18:58:14 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Jun 10 18:58:16 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, he's probably talking about bribing the newly unemployed insiders :)
Jun 10 18:58:53 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: i guess that would depend on where that power is consumed ? :)
Jun 10 18:59:31 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: sure, that's the question. Where one can find a list of obvious power leaks in gta01? DocScrutinizer ?
Jun 10 19:00:14 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: basically gta01 was before my time
Jun 10 19:00:28 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i know, but still ;)
Jun 10 19:00:52 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: pheew, wouldn't really know. some rather nasty ones may be pull-ups and the like, with a lot resistance
Jun 10 19:01:07 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: after that, you wuold have to turn devices on/off
Jun 10 19:02:16 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: major issue afaik is some glitch on some GPIO rendering gsm useless during suspend
Jun 10 19:02:24 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: is there anybody who analised all that stuff?
Jun 10 19:02:52 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: hm, i think we tried to wake gta01 from suspend on incoming call during F9C and succeeded.
Jun 10 19:04:44 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: ha, i know what you're talking about!
Jun 10 19:05:11 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: it was nasty modem reset by SoC gpio glitch.
Jun 10 19:05:21 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Jun 10 19:05:23 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: luckily it was discovered before Bv4
Jun 10 19:05:34 <DocScrutinizer> ooh
Jun 10 19:05:36 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: i don't think anyone really analyzed it in gta01. gta02 got a little more attention, plus some cleanup as well
Jun 10 19:05:46 <PaulFertser> And the transistor was not there on MP boards, so it's ok.
Jun 10 19:06:21 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: well, ok. Thanks for the information.
Jun 10 19:12:17 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: andy did a lot of resistor hunting in gta02, so there should be a number of bad ones in gta01 as well. each time a pull-down or pull-up says 1 k, that should probably be a 10 k
Jun 10 19:12:23 <spaetz> TAsn: hah, just opened the youtube, that IS the presentation where I was. I sat in the 2nd row when Sean ave it :)
Jun 10 19:12:28 <spaetz> gave it
Jun 10 19:13:46 <TAsn> spaetz, well then I can see why you didn't snatch it
Jun 10 19:13:49 <TAsn> you were too far
Jun 10 19:13:53 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: sure, 1k is just hm... (/me curses TPE EE again)
Jun 10 19:13:54 <TAsn> you had people blocking you
Jun 10 19:14:06 <TAsn> and he put the gadget in the pocket fast
Jun 10 19:14:07 <TAsn> :)
Jun 10 19:14:12 <spaetz> hehe
Jun 10 19:14:20 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: ah, what are 3.3 mA among friends ? ;-)
Jun 10 19:14:56 <PaulFertser> :)
Jun 10 19:19:48 <F4t> ok, i finally got the kernel panic messages...
Jun 10 19:20:56 <F4t> can someone take a look and see if he understands anything? http://pastebin.ca/1455720
Jun 10 19:20:58 <PaulFertser> F4t: wow :) we're waiting :)
Jun 10 19:23:57 <mwester> love your flowered tablecloth, PaulFertser :D
Jun 10 19:24:45 <DocScrutinizer> hmmff, no panic
Jun 10 19:24:52 <mwester> But how did you manage to get _my_ soldering iron??
Jun 10 19:25:09 <PaulFertser> mwester: (tablecloth) it's my mom's. In fact it doesn't help anything.
Jun 10 19:25:24 <PaulFertser> mwester: telekinesis + telepathy obviously
Jun 10 19:25:35 <DocScrutinizer> ahhh, wait, panic somewhere in between probably
Jun 10 19:25:37 <mwester> :)  Nice job, especially with those tools!
Jun 10 19:26:22 <PaulFertser> mwester: do you also have price: 1.80 rubles, produced in 1980 on yours? ;)
Jun 10 19:26:54 <PaulFertser> mwester: i just removed the wire and re-applied it. It wasn't a full buzz fix. Done to prove that random soldering iron is ok to get a loose wire back.
Jun 10 19:26:56 <mwester> hehe!  No, but 1980 sounds about right.   I wonder what 1.80 rubles was worth in USD back then?
Jun 10 19:27:22 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, line 108
Jun 10 19:27:35 <PaulFertser> mwester: official exchange rate was 0.60 rubles per buck :) But they weren't freely exchangeable.
Jun 10 19:27:50 <mwester> FWIW, the latest SHR kernel on a GTA02, with RNDIS to an up-to-date WiinXP SP3 host works fine for me -- no panic.
Jun 10 19:28:00 <PaulFertser> mwester: usual engineer earned probably about 120 rubles back then.
Jun 10 19:29:17 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, anyone made sense of the kernel messages?
Jun 10 19:29:29 <tmzt> mwester: is rndis_client gadget based? is that upstream?
Jun 10 19:30:08 <DocScrutinizer> F4t: sure, should be sufficient to trace down a bug in g_ether AIUI
Jun 10 19:30:58 <PaulFertser> F4t: i'm trying to
Jun 10 19:31:33 <mwester> tmzt,  there are layers to the drivers.  RNDIS can run over a "genuine" hardware USB interconnect device, but in the case of the GTA0x devices, it runs as a gadget.
Jun 10 19:31:52 <mwester> And it's a supported (although poorly, IMO) part of the kernel.
Jun 10 19:32:34 <mwester> [I say poorly because evidence so far is that reporting problems with it usually get non-helpful responses from upstream, most of which tell you to stop using Windows.)
Jun 10 19:33:20 <tmzt> it would be helpful if it could work with g_ether, but the zaurus driver for windows is seemingly hard to find searching google
Jun 10 19:33:26 <tmzt> rndis would be a good alternative
Jun 10 19:33:37 <tmzt> work alongside g_ether I mean
Jun 10 19:34:40 <mwester> tmzt,  I'm not sure I understand your concern.  RNDIS is a protocol which is supported and working with the g_ether gadget, with Windows hosts.
Jun 10 19:34:56 <mwester> It has nothing to do with zaurii.
Jun 10 19:35:17 <DocScrutinizer> secnarii
Jun 10 19:35:30 <tmzt> let me try this again, it seems the classic ipaq usbnet driver works with the zaurus driver on win32
Jun 10 19:35:33 <DocScrutinizer> anteniii
Jun 10 19:35:37 <DocScrutinizer> ;-)
Jun 10 19:35:59 <tmzt> rather than having someone track that down and install it it would be good to be able to use the built in rndis support in windows
Jun 10 19:36:16 <tmzt> what do you mean g_ether support RNDIS?
Jun 10 19:36:31 <dos1> alphaone|gone: with updated dbus and without OccupyResource in rules.yaml i don't have ANY issues regarding calls and suspends after calls
Jun 10 19:36:54 <dos1> mrmoku, mickey_away: ^^^
Jun 10 19:36:56 <PaulFertser> F4t: what if you avoid that oops by substituting a dummy value?
Jun 10 19:37:18 <PaulFertser> tmzt: g_ether supports RNDIS, for real.
Jun 10 19:37:30 <tmzt> okay, thanks
Jun 10 19:38:20 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: (dummy) err?
Jun 10 19:39:12 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: it looks like it calles strlen with NULL. Instead of trying to figure out where that NULL comes from i'd try to substitute some constant string.
Jun 10 19:41:08 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: I have no idea how to do that. But then I didn't follow the whole issue closely
Jun 10 19:41:22 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: you didn't look at the code in question, just that.
Jun 10 19:41:36 <DocScrutinizer> exactly
Jun 10 19:45:17 <TAsn> PaulFertser, it seems like it assumes it won't get a NULL although it should not, probably a check for a NULL value somewhere in the bracktrace will suffice to solve this issue. (let's just hope the NULL doesn't require more serious handling).
Jun 10 19:45:45 <TAsn> anyhow, where can I get the andy tracking kernel from?
Jun 10 19:45:46 <PaulFertser> TAsn: basically what i suggest.
Jun 10 19:45:58 <PaulFertser> TAsn: to compile it yourself?
Jun 10 19:46:08 <TAsn> to at least view those drivers
Jun 10 19:46:19 <TAsn> and hope there is sufficient documentation ;)
Jun 10 19:46:50 <PaulFertser> TAsn: http://git.openmoko.org
Jun 10 19:46:54 <TAsn> I don't use windows and I do suggest F4t to move to linux, though I'm also interested in solving this issue, as F4t is a nice dude :)
Jun 10 19:46:59 <TAsn> PaulFertser, thanks.
Jun 10 19:47:01 * mwester is just passing through and must leave again.
Jun 10 19:47:42 <playya> is it possible to redirect stdin, stderr to file with start-stop-daemon?
Jun 10 19:47:53 <PaulFertser> TAsn: i like that F4t really invested some time to solve this issue unlike other windows users who just complained.
Jun 10 19:48:14 <mwester> F4t,  please open a ticket on the OM trac with that log file, and any other information necessary -- especially the sequence of events to cause that to happen, and the version of windows and service packs you are using.  I'll take a look at it in a day or two when (I hope) my life begins to return to normal a bit. :)
Jun 10 19:48:52 <TAsn> PaulFertser, :) he's not a complete windows user, he has a moko after all...
Jun 10 19:49:02 <PaulFertser> TAsn: :)
Jun 10 19:49:13 <Zorkman> F4t: what are you trying to do with windows exactly+?
Jun 10 19:49:55 <TAsn> Zorkman, usb networking
Jun 10 19:50:09 <TAsn> I'll hopefully give it a look tomorrow
Jun 10 19:50:27 <TAsn> I gotta finish a few chapters in my calculus book ;)
Jun 10 19:50:29 <TAsn> night.
Jun 10 19:50:34 <Zorkman> TAsn: it works...
Jun 10 19:50:42 <Zorkman> at least it works on shr-unstable + windows xp
Jun 10 19:50:43 <TAsn> Zorkman, not with his box
Jun 10 19:50:56 * mwester uses USB netowrking with his FR and Neo -- necessary to do so.  Other than the problem where for a while 2.6.28 crashed the windows host, it has always worked nicely.
Jun 10 19:50:56 <PaulFertser> Zorkman: probably SP version matters
Jun 10 19:50:57 <TAsn> he also uses win xp and shr-unstable
Jun 10 19:51:04 <Zorkman> F4t: you still here, I can tell you what i did (not only on windoze, but also on FR)
Jun 10 19:51:07 <TAsn> though probably different sp
Jun 10 19:51:14 <TAsn> and configs
Jun 10 19:51:16 <mwester> I have XP, SP3 - and SHR-unstable. works fine, tested last night for a while.
Jun 10 19:51:45 <Zorkman> same here, but i had to edit /etc/network/interfaces on the Fr
Jun 10 19:51:45 <TAsn> mwester, he may have itunes
Jun 10 19:51:53 <TAsn> or other kinds of malicious 
Jun 10 19:51:57 <TAsn> software that probe the usb
Jun 10 19:52:03 <TAsn> and may cause havoc
Jun 10 19:52:17 <TAsn> Zorkman, changed what to what?
Jun 10 19:52:29 <Ainulindale> TAsn: yes libmokoui is in the image
Jun 10 19:52:36 <TAsn> Ainulindale, now that's a delay :)
Jun 10 19:52:40 <TAsn> but, GREAT!
Jun 10 19:52:53 <TAsn> pyphonelog sucks more without it ;)
Jun 10 19:52:55 <Zorkman> TAsn: up route add default gw 192.168.0.1 metric 8
Jun 10 19:53:14 <Zorkman> the standard gateway didn't work for me
Jun 10 19:53:16 <PaulFertser> Hm, rndis_set_param_vendor is commented out, so vendor is never set and i guess his windows asks for that which results in oops.
Jun 10 19:53:40 <TAsn> PaulFertser, that was fast :)
Jun 10 19:53:42 <Zorkman> (I also enabple ip_forwarding in registry, but i think that is a documented thing)
Jun 10 19:53:48 <TAsn> I wonder why anyone would want to comment that out though
Jun 10 19:53:55 <PaulFertser> TAsn: it's not full analisys, just a guess based on cursory look.
Jun 10 19:54:06 <TAsn> PaulFertser, seems right to me.
Jun 10 19:54:11 <TAsn> or at least
Jun 10 19:54:14 <TAsn> another bug to attend to
Jun 10 19:55:01 <PaulFertser> "Lightly tested ... there seems to be a pre-existing problem when talking to Windows XP SP2, not quite sure what's up with that yet."
Jun 10 19:55:15 <TAsn> anyhow, I'm really gone now cya.
Jun 10 19:55:37 <TAsn> PaulFertser, the comment seems right, leave it on though with removing the second commenting :)
Jun 10 20:01:53 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap: thanks for your answers on the ML, I like the way you answer people when they comment, suggest & ask :)
Jun 10 20:02:20 * rhkfin thinks it's important for an FLOSS project leaders/devels to do it to make people contribute!
Jun 10 20:02:34 <dos1> mrmoku: it's the first time i'm happy because ophonekitd crashed :D
Jun 10 20:02:51 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, seems we got another nice example why it's recommendable to have ramconsole by default.
Jun 10 20:03:24 <dos1> mrmoku: cause that means GSM failure isn't caused by frameworkd, but by ophonekitd :D
Jun 10 20:03:34 <mrmoku> dos1, logs?
Jun 10 20:03:37 <dos1> (gsm failure which i have ATM ;))
Jun 10 20:04:21 <dos1> mrmoku: ** ERROR **: Out of memory
Jun 10 20:04:27 <mrmoku> dos1, what about the report that frameworkd sucks CPU?
Jun 10 20:04:30 <dos1> aborting...
Jun 10 20:04:32 <mrmoku> ouch
Jun 10 20:05:11 <dos1> mrmoku: it sucks ~2-4% when idle for me
Jun 10 20:05:20 <mrmoku> ok
Jun 10 20:05:23 <mrmoku> that's normal
Jun 10 20:05:33 <dos1> but GSM resource isn't enabled now
Jun 10 20:05:46 <dos1> enabling it...
Jun 10 20:07:21 <dos1> mrmoku: the same
Jun 10 20:07:27 <dos1> so nothing strange here
Jun 10 20:08:24 <F4t> doesnt connman manage the usb0 device too?
Jun 10 20:08:44 <Zorkman> dos1: small question, how many px is the top bar of illume by default?
Jun 10 20:09:00 <dos1> Zorkman: checking...
Jun 10 20:09:33 <dos1> Zorkman: 46
Jun 10 20:09:39 <dos1> in illume-shr theme
Jun 10 20:09:58 <Zorkman> Thx
Jun 10 20:10:43 <mrmoku> F4t, you have to install connman-plugin-ethernet to handle usb
Jun 10 20:11:06 <dos1> mrmoku: is it working good?
Jun 10 20:11:38 * onen|openBmap thinks people who promote my project are a great help, and need attention
Jun 10 20:11:39 <mrmoku> dos1, yep... if you have a dhcp server on the host side :P
Jun 10 20:11:54 <F4t> mrmoku, install it where?
Jun 10 20:12:00 <F4t> ahh, right
Jun 10 20:12:26 <F4t> Zorkman, you said something about finding some solution for usbnetworking? some interfaces thing?
Jun 10 20:12:59 <PaulFertser> F4t: heh, wait some minutes, i'll probably cook you a patch.
Jun 10 20:13:13 <F4t> mwester, i have XP SP3 Clean Service pack that does work, and the fully patched one doesnt
Jun 10 20:16:49 <PaulFertser> F4t: you shouldn't feel alone now: http://lists.zerezo.com/linux-kernel/msg19822805.html
Jun 10 20:18:27 <Ainulindale> rtp: could you retry with latest?
Jun 10 20:19:02 <onen|openBmap> rhkfin: well I don't see my way of answering special, just polite, when someone takes time to write about my work, and ask question, to do the same to answer :-)
Jun 10 20:19:03 <Zorkman> F4t: yes, i had to edit a file on my FR (and setting ip-forwarding in my xp machine in the registry)
Jun 10 20:19:40 <Ainulindale> seems there is no change
Jun 10 20:19:50 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: could you help me? sysvinit doesn't seem to get into gta01 image
Jun 10 20:19:54 <Ainulindale> I guess something is missing in the package
Jun 10 20:19:56 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap: exactly!
Jun 10 20:19:57 <Ainulindale> task-boot or something
Jun 10 20:20:00 <mrmoku> hmm
Jun 10 20:20:01 <Deubeuliou> hi
Jun 10 20:20:15 <dos1> hmm
Jun 10 20:20:24 <dos1> does someone with gta01 try shr-splash?
Jun 10 20:20:27 <dos1> is it working?
Jun 10 20:20:28 <F4t> :D
Jun 10 20:20:31 <Zorkman> F4t: try  modifying /etc/network/interfaces, and change both lines that are about gateway (gw) to use  192.168.0.1 as ip  (i'm not using a bridge, just shared my internet connection)
Jun 10 20:21:10 <F4t> Zorkman, its after its recognised as a device, its routing stuff...
Jun 10 20:21:11 <PaulFertser> Zorkman: F4t gets kernel panic when he plugs his FR to his windows machine.
Jun 10 20:21:26 <F4t> Zorkman, what paul said... :)
Jun 10 20:21:36 <Zorkman> ah, that i didn't know yet
Jun 10 20:21:48 <F4t> anyway, where do i post the kernel panic dump
Jun 10 20:21:49 <PaulFertser> F4t: can you apply a kernel patch?
Jun 10 20:21:53 <F4t> PaulFertser, sure
Jun 10 20:21:59 <Zorkman> thought it was fixed a long while ago (because i also suffered from it a while ago... not anymore)
Jun 10 20:22:22 <F4t> Zorkman, different problem i think, its not windows BSOD
Jun 10 20:22:27 <PaulFertser> http://paste.debian.net/38654/
Jun 10 20:22:41 <PaulFertser> F4t: this one. Dummy.
Jun 10 20:22:55 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: rhkfin: would you mind having a look at our new contact page. I just want to know if it is easily understandable: http://realtimeblog.free.fr/contact.php
Jun 10 20:24:22 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap: great, I've been missing a contacts page but have forgotten to tell you about it :) (though I think you're paranoidic about the e-mail address.. It'll scare people away..) HOw about using a captcha-type image that's be human-readable..
Jun 10 20:24:30 <Zorkman> onen|openBmap: easily understandable; so i guess i'm not a bot :)
Jun 10 20:24:37 <rhkfin> or use g-mail :)
Jun 10 20:24:43 <rtp> Ainulindale: ok. downloading
Jun 10 20:25:28 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap: any changes of making all menu items visible.. the 'other' is bad..
Jun 10 20:26:00 <Zorkman> i agree with rhkfin
Jun 10 20:26:09 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap: for example drop forum? No-one is using it anyway..
Jun 10 20:26:09 <onen|openBmap> rhkfin: captcha + form must be secure. And Nick does not like the idea to put one on the server
Jun 10 20:26:25 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, hmm... don't see how that could happen
Jun 10 20:27:01 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: he he, good, if it is easy to understand
Jun 10 20:27:04 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap: well don't be surprised if you don't get e-mail :) (and I mean that just create a image that has the e-mail address written, with extra lines & letters etc 
Jun 10 20:27:32 <onen|openBmap> rhkfin: I think so too. will se with nick later
Jun 10 20:27:33 <F4t> PaulFertser, in progress...
Jun 10 20:27:48 <PaulFertser> F4t: ok
Jun 10 20:28:45 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap: you also might want to tell people that they're welcome to contact you to ask support/details/help/whatever... ie. tell why would you think why they need your contact details
Jun 10 20:28:58 <onen|openBmap> rhkfin: I was thinking of a captcha + php form. Not an image with my email address in it. That was the other approach
Jun 10 20:29:49 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap: ok
Jun 10 20:30:10 <onen|openBmap> rhkfin: Zorkman: ok. I will reconsider it, with your suggestions. But at least, now we can be contacted, it was very bad not to have it until now!
Jun 10 20:31:05 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap: yes, that's good. But please try to rework the menu, maybe put the items in 2 rows to make them all fit there without the 'other' submenu? Great work, keep it up!
Jun 10 20:31:11 <onen|openBmap> rhkfin: I asked Nick to put a sentence on main page like: Feel free to contact us!
Jun 10 20:31:48 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap: great, & link to contacts?
Jun 10 20:32:53 <onen|openBmap> rhkfin: in the sentence I described, the contact us would link to the page. and contact would be found in the other menu
Jun 10 20:33:03 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap: ok, great
Jun 10 20:33:19 <onen|openBmap> have to go
Jun 10 20:33:21 <onen|openBmap> see you guyes
Jun 10 20:33:29 <onen|openBmap> s/guyes/guys/
Jun 10 20:33:31 <bzzbot> onen|openBmap meant: see you guys
Jun 10 20:34:10 <rhkfin> onen|openBmap: ok, see oy!
Jun 10 20:36:08 <F4t> PaulFertser, about to flash...
Jun 10 20:36:24 <PaulFertser> F4t: i'm crossing fingers
Jun 10 20:36:35 <F4t> PaulFertser, btw, your code generated enfless amount of warnings :P
Jun 10 20:36:43 <F4t> endless*
Jun 10 20:37:37 <TAsn> PaulFertser, what's that? just the missing field fix?
Jun 10 20:38:39 <F4t> PaulFertser, btw, how did you figure this out from the panic msgs, i didnt see anything there...
Jun 10 20:38:52 <PaulFertser> F4t: fuck, i'm stupid
Jun 10 20:39:01 <PaulFertser> F4t: too sleepy to think clearly :(
Jun 10 20:39:05 <F4t> PaulFertser, doesnt sound encouraging.. :)
Jun 10 20:39:26 <F4t> so, not to try and boot the patched kernel? :P
Jun 10 20:39:51 <PaulFertser> F4t: const char vendorDescr="dummy" should be const char vendorDescr[]="dummy"
Jun 10 20:39:54 <PaulFertser> F4t: typo
Jun 10 20:40:02 <F4t> oh..
Jun 10 20:40:22 <F4t> what's patch's paramter to reverse the patch?
Jun 10 20:40:27 <PaulFertser> F4t: -r
Jun 10 20:40:39 <PaulFertser> F4t: or just edit the file it by hand.
Jun 10 20:41:21 <rtp> Ainulindale: no joy. same result...
Jun 10 20:41:43 <F4t> PaulFertser, shouldnt the string be copied WITH the null terminator?
Jun 10 20:42:10 <TAsn> F4t, why would it? you also put the size (probably)
Jun 10 20:42:17 <TAsn> so that will just be a waste of a byte... ;)
Jun 10 20:42:52 <TAsn> I don't really know how it works, though this sounds logical.
Jun 10 20:43:12 <F4t> lol
Jun 10 20:43:25 <TAsn> don't you agree? :)
Jun 10 20:43:31 <TAsn> I know your logic is good... :)
Jun 10 20:43:45 <TAsn> because the size is probably used for offset
Jun 10 20:43:48 <F4t> im just laughing at your skill at assuming stuff about code you didnt see
Jun 10 20:44:00 <F4t> :P
Jun 10 20:44:05 <TAsn> F4t, bottom line, do I assume correctly? :)
Jun 10 20:44:13 <F4t> dont know
Jun 10 20:44:27 <TAsn> F4t, I don't need to see the actual implementation to assume something about a known family
Jun 10 20:44:38 <TAsn> null termination
Jun 10 20:44:43 <TAsn> is C's way to handle strings
Jun 10 20:45:06 <TAsn> a device that doesn't even have a C compiler might connect to the other side of the moko
Jun 10 20:45:18 <TAsn> so doing it C style will be too weird :)
Jun 10 20:46:04 <TAsn> anyhow, I'm also anxious to see if it works :)
Jun 10 20:46:09 <TAsn> F4t, beep me when you are done :)
Jun 10 20:46:16 <F4t> Compiling...
Jun 10 20:47:06 <TAsn> that's why I said beep me :)
Jun 10 20:47:10 <PaulFertser> F4t: (how to deduce) you know what the backtrace is, don't you?
Jun 10 20:47:13 <TAsn> I'm not optimistic
Jun 10 20:47:37 <TAsn> I didn't think you already finished compiling :)
Jun 10 20:48:52 <F4t> Flashing...
Jun 10 20:49:11 <PaulFertser> F4t: your kernel panic showed that strlen that got called from gen_ndis_query_resp tried to dereference a NULL pointer. strlen is most likely to do that if it's passed NULL pointer.
Jun 10 20:49:29 <F4t> PaulFertser, in what line?
Jun 10 20:49:30 <PaulFertser> F4t: and there's only one strlen call in gen_ndis_query_resp.
Jun 10 20:50:27 <F4t> i mean, what line of the panic msgs...
Jun 10 20:50:53 <F4t> ahhhhhh i see it now
Jun 10 20:51:10 <DocScrutinizer> F4t: something around 110
Jun 10 20:51:30 <F4t> booting
Jun 10 20:52:38 <DocScrutinizer> F4t: I'd understand that like passing a noninitialized pointer to the function, which means the string never got assigned any (even "") value
Jun 10 20:53:40 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, k
Jun 10 20:54:15 <DocScrutinizer> F4t: a very common error pattern if coder expected some parameter was supplied but actually it wasn't
Jun 10 20:54:21 <F4t> Pluging in USB cable ... :D
Jun 10 20:54:43 <F4t> panic :(
Jun 10 20:55:15 <TAsn> F4t, what's the new message?
Jun 10 20:55:18 <TAsn> or is it the same?
Jun 10 20:55:29 <F4t> hold ur horses, rebooting and getting msg
Jun 10 20:55:33 <TAsn> (message = debug output :) )
Jun 10 20:55:41 <TAsn> F4t, as you know, it's already 00:00 here :)
Jun 10 20:56:17 <DocScrutinizer> btw this error pattern is a indication of poor coding skills generally
Jun 10 20:56:31 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, couldnt agree more :)
Jun 10 20:57:35 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, well, commenting out the setting of a required field usually means poor coding... or just the lack of caring...
Jun 10 20:58:02 <TAsn> it seems like the dude wrote it was bored with the driver and didn't want to finish the windows only bug although it is a core bug.
Jun 10 20:59:13 <DocScrutinizer> that's a possible expanation of this issue
Jun 10 21:02:36 <F4t> http://pastebin.ca/1455829
Jun 10 21:02:51 <F4t> seems its the same problem? any indication i might have not applied the patch?
Jun 10 21:04:19 <PaulFertser> F4t: weird
Jun 10 21:04:50 <F4t> same addresses, i think i messed up the patching/replacing of kernel...?
Jun 10 21:05:52 <PaulFertser> F4t: probably replacing.
Jun 10 21:06:23 <F4t> :-/
Jun 10 21:07:28 <PaulFertser> F4t: or probably my patch is just nonsence. But (corrected) version doesn't look like that.
Jun 10 21:08:55 <F4t> mayb some macro uses strlen too ...
Jun 10 21:10:32 <PaulFertser> F4t: i'd suggest you make sure (uname -a and look at compile date/time) you boot your patched kernel
Jun 10 21:12:55 <F4t> PaulFertser, odd, date doesnt match... ill try again
Jun 10 21:14:19 <F4t> ill do a clean first
Jun 10 21:16:27 <PaulFertser> F4t: clean what?
Jun 10 21:16:43 <PaulFertser> F4t: all kernel build? Ridiculous.
Jun 10 21:16:54 <F4t> PaulFertser, make clean on kernel folder...
Jun 10 21:17:09 <PaulFertser> Not the true way.
Jun 10 21:17:26 <F4t> whats the true way?
Jun 10 21:17:27 <TAsn> PaulFertser, were did you find that comment from earlier about winxp2? can't seem to find it...
Jun 10 21:17:56 <PaulFertser> F4t: to understand why you got a wrong date. And then do minimal stuff if needed to fix it.
Jun 10 21:18:58 <F4t> PaulFertser, i hope the compile date isnt stored in any of the modules, since i dont update them...
Jun 10 21:19:08 <PaulFertser> TAsn: 45fe3b8e5342cd1ce307099459c74011d8e01986 commit message
Jun 10 21:19:11 <F4t> omfg
Jun 10 21:19:15 <F4t> im retarded
Jun 10 21:19:16 <TAsn> oh in a commit message
Jun 10 21:19:19 <TAsn> thought a comment :)
Jun 10 21:19:26 <TAsn> F4t, :)
Jun 10 21:19:37 <F4t> the fix is in the g_ether module....
Jun 10 21:19:40 <TAsn> yeah.
Jun 10 21:19:59 * F4t *forehead-smack*
Jun 10 21:23:18 <dos1|neo> mickey_away: why are you away when i need you? ;p
Jun 10 21:28:25 <TAsn> PaulFertser, as it seems here: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob;f=drivers/usb/gadget/f_rndis.c both vendorID and vendorDescription are not set... ;\ luckily with uninitialized or set to 0 ints we won't have any kernel oopses, but still....
Jun 10 21:28:44 <TAsn> btw, line 682
Jun 10 21:29:01 <TAsn> brb shower.
Jun 10 21:30:04 <Ainulindale> damn GTA01 image
Jun 10 21:30:51 <Ainulindale> task boot is here but isn't included... WHY !
Jun 10 21:32:20 <Ainulindale> Hmmmmm.
Jun 10 21:32:57 <Ainulindale> It's in task-base RDEPENDS...
Jun 10 21:35:56 <F4t> PaulFertser,TAsn, extracting new modules
Jun 10 21:37:22 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: removed all the stamps for gta01, and relaunching build.
Jun 10 21:37:39 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: are you drinking beer atm?
Jun 10 21:37:50 <F4t> PaulFertser, i need a beer
Jun 10 21:37:51 <Ainulindale> Yes. Why?
Jun 10 21:38:21 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: i just imagined you removing timestamps and chatting on irc etc. Thought that a beer will suit here perfectly. :)
Jun 10 21:38:34 <Ainulindale> Meh :-)
Jun 10 21:38:51 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: Well I can't get why a task is built properly, with no error, but not included in the image.
Jun 10 21:39:08 <Ainulindale> I just think something went wrong somewhere, so I thought rebuilding the whole GTA01 packages from scratch would ba good idea.
Jun 10 21:39:11 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: don't ask me, i'm not an OE user :)
Jun 10 21:39:11 <Ainulindale> s/ba/be/
Jun 10 21:39:12 <bzzbot> Ainulindale meant: I just think something went wrong somewhere, so I thought rebuilding the whole GTA01 packages from scratch would be good idea.
Jun 10 21:40:51 <Ainulindale> TAsn: happy about libmokoui2?
Jun 10 21:40:55 <Ainulindale> i didn't see any kiss
Jun 10 21:44:02 <F4t> PaulFertser,TAsn, booting with updated kernel...
Jun 10 21:44:25 <TAsn> Ainulindale, YEAH! :)
Jun 10 21:44:38 <Ainulindale> TAsn: and I can get why you thought it was useful
Jun 10 21:44:39 <Ainulindale> it is indeed
Jun 10 21:44:40 <TAsn> I mean I don't really care, cause I just installed it by hand every flash :)
Jun 10 21:44:54 <TAsn> but it is useful for a lot of people :)
Jun 10 21:45:04 <TAsn> Ainulindale, it's not as useful as it was before the new gtk theme
Jun 10 21:45:06 <Ainulindale> the whole phonelog experience has nothing to do with it compared to without it
Jun 10 21:45:12 <TAsn> but it's still amazingly useful :)
Jun 10 21:45:20 <TAsn> Ainulindale, :)
Jun 10 21:45:32 <TAsn> and there was support since the first version...
Jun 10 21:45:53 <Ainulindale> well it was just a matter of packaging
Jun 10 21:45:56 <TAsn> F4t, well...? :)
Jun 10 21:46:02 <TAsn> Ainulindale, yeah, I know
Jun 10 21:46:25 <F4t> whats libmokoui2?
Jun 10 21:47:27 <TAsn> mostly finger friendly gtk widgets
Jun 10 21:47:43 <TAsn> but also other moko cool stuff I don't really remember atm. :)
Jun 10 21:48:49 <F4t> OMG IT WORKS! :D
Jun 10 21:49:03 <F4t> PaulFertser, TAsn, IT WORKS!
Jun 10 21:49:08 <TAsn> GREAT! :)
Jun 10 21:49:28 <TAsn> now it's just a matter of removing PaulFertser's hack and fixing it in http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob;f=drivers/usb/gadget/f_rndis.c
Jun 10 21:50:40 <F4t> ill leave that to you guys :D
Jun 10 21:51:16 <TAsn> haha, well at least you got your patch :)
Jun 10 21:51:20 <TAsn> just don't opkg upgrade
Jun 10 21:51:21 <TAsn> :)
Jun 10 21:51:35 <TAsn> anyhow F4t thanks for the bug report :)
Jun 10 21:53:21 <Ainulindale> (I like it when SHR developers care about users)
Jun 10 21:53:26 * Ainulindale pats TAsn's head
Jun 10 21:53:34 <Ainulindale> Good boy
Jun 10 21:53:40 <TAsn> Ainulindale, nah, I know the dude from before
Jun 10 21:53:42 <TAsn> :)
Jun 10 21:53:46 <Ainulindale> heh
Jun 10 21:53:57 <TAsn> /whois F4t 
Jun 10 21:54:12 <Ainulindale> so what?
Jun 10 21:54:19 <TAsn> israeli
Jun 10 21:54:32 <Ainulindale> How can I get that from his fqdn?
Jun 10 21:55:32 <TAsn> btw, F4t http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0904.0/01665.html
Jun 10 21:55:34 <TAsn> same issue.
Jun 10 21:55:43 <TAsn> Ainulindale, hm.. bezeqint
Jun 10 21:55:45 <TAsn> israeli company
Jun 10 21:56:22 <Ainulindale> Do you think I know all the ISP in the world?
Jun 10 21:57:04 <TAsn> well when I wrote /whois F4t I expected to see co.il as well...
Jun 10 21:57:05 <TAsn> :)
Jun 10 21:57:07 <Sharwin_F> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51cWRrZdkwk <- this cannot be done in the neo because the screen doesn't have multitouch support, am I wrong?
Jun 10 21:57:27 <Ainulindale> Damn TaxAudit is there again
Jun 10 21:57:29 <Ainulindale> I just deleted him
Jun 10 22:00:19 <sirkha_top> okay, i am using SHR, and trying to add a new contact... and i cant get to the numbers field... advice?
Jun 10 22:00:21 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, damn... how does he register?
Jun 10 22:00:23 <DocScrutinizer> Sharwin_F: mtt not supported by Neo hw :-/ (another gotcha where TPE EE didn't think big enough and saved 4pcs 50R)
Jun 10 22:01:45 <Ainulindale> I don't know if there's a plugin to force email registration mrmoku 
Jun 10 22:02:36 <mrmoku> annoying thing :(
Jun 10 22:02:41 <Ainulindale> just saw that
Jun 10 22:02:43 <Ainulindale> http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/442
Jun 10 22:03:30 <mrmoku> yeah.. something like that
Jun 10 22:03:51 <Ainulindale> I think I have access to the trac machine
Jun 10 22:04:02 <Ainulindale> I would have to remember where it is
Jun 10 22:04:22 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, patch it... but don't kill it :P
Jun 10 22:04:54 <mrmoku> btw... there is some vulnerability in moveable type...
Jun 10 22:04:55 <Deubeuliou> where is the "poll" website we used once ?
Jun 10 22:05:01 <mrmoku> don't know if our blog is affected
Jun 10 22:05:10 <Deubeuliou> I can't remember the url
Jun 10 22:05:35 <mrmoku> Deubeuliou, nah... it was not that good :)
Jun 10 22:05:44 <mrmoku> spaetz knows a better one
Jun 10 22:06:31 <Deubeuliou> polldaddy ?
Jun 10 22:06:53 <Deubeuliou> looks too heavy
Jun 10 22:07:29 <Ainulindale> Found it
Jun 10 22:08:10 <Ainulindale> Damn still no sysvinit
Jun 10 22:08:12 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: heeeeeeeelp
Jun 10 22:08:23 <Ainulindale> Something went terribly wrong with GTA01
Jun 10 22:08:24 <mrmoku> you killed it....
Jun 10 22:08:27 <mrmoku> ahh
Jun 10 22:08:32 <Ainulindale> ni task-boot in the image
Jun 10 22:08:38 <Ainulindale> and it's built by task-base!!
Jun 10 22:10:19 <mrmoku> can't see the image
Jun 10 22:11:41 <Ainulindale> it's there
Jun 10 22:11:59 <mrmoku> yeah.. just blind again :P
Jun 10 22:12:00 <Ainulindale> (you can see it online it's simpler)
Jun 10 22:12:12 <mrmoku> brb
Jun 10 22:12:13 <Ainulindale> We had this problem once when one package wouldn't build
Jun 10 22:12:18 <Ainulindale> Or be included
Jun 10 22:12:28 <Ainulindale> But there task-boot is built
Jun 10 22:32:23 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, so its some unsatisfied rdepend that makes it not getting included, probably
Jun 10 22:32:47 <mrmoku> and the only one you changed was the kernel
Jun 10 22:33:05 <mrmoku> task-boot DEPENDS on virtual/kernel and RDEPENDS on kernel
Jun 10 22:34:57 <Ainulindale> Yeah but it's compiled
Jun 10 22:35:03 <Ainulindale> Anyway I'm off I really need to sleep
Jun 10 22:35:08 <Ainulindale> So see you tomorrow
Jun 10 22:35:10 <mrmoku> that's what DEPENDS does
Jun 10 22:35:11 <mrmoku> k
Jun 10 22:35:13 <mrmoku> good night
Jun 10 22:42:25 <DocScrutinizer> what's recommendation of the day for SHR image? unstable, testing, oemerge? of today, yesterday, last week? ;-D
Jun 10 22:43:36 * mrmoku would advise to use shr-unstable... :)
Jun 10 23:40:39 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: k, thanks
Jun 10 23:43:32 <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #502 (unable to restart frameworkd with working gsm or sim) updated <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/502#comment:5>
Jun 10 23:54:37 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, np :)
Jun 10 23:54:49 <mrmoku> bedtime for me now
Jun 10 23:54:52 <mrmoku> gnight
Jun 10 23:55:06 <DocScrutinizer> night
Jun 11 00:08:06 * fredrin want mokomaze 0.5 in SHR
Jun 11 00:08:26 * alphaone finally wants a working display again
Jun 11 00:09:08 <alphaone> qknight: How many people does it take to change a broken display of a Thinkpad X200s?
Jun 11 00:09:21 <alphaone> Azog: I don't know, it's still broken
Jun 11 00:09:28 <alphaone> A:
Jun 11 00:09:34 <alphaone> and Q:
Jun 11 00:09:41 <alphaone> damn completion
Jun 11 00:09:59 <fredrin> 100 chines i think 
Jun 11 00:10:10 <alphaone> It's at least 3 though
Jun 11 00:10:17 <alphaone> err 4
Jun 11 00:11:12 <alphaone> One brings an inverter card for a broken LED backlight, one brings a cracked display with working LED backlight and one brings a new display with broken LED backlight
Jun 11 00:11:30 <alphaone> Lets hope number 4 fixes it
Jun 11 00:11:52 <alphaone> I'm waiting for one week now
Jun 11 00:13:07 <fredrin> + buracrazy 
Jun 11 00:13:42 <fredrin> When i send stuff to service, i tell them that i need to go out of the country for some time, so that i need it fast, i cut the line that way....
Jun 11 00:14:15 <alphaone> Heh
Jun 11 00:14:27 <alphaone> I payed extra for on-site service
Jun 11 00:14:29 <fredrin> or just write outside or put a note inside that just say, IMPORTANT HURRY with big red chars 
Jun 11 00:14:45 <alphaone> Which seems way overpriced now
Jun 11 00:15:17 <fredrin> but how did you break a Thinkpad??? that's the question :) 
Jun 11 00:15:28 <alphaone> I had to send in my last Thinkpad and included a bag of gummi bears to speed up the process :-)
Jun 11 00:15:40 <alphaone> fredrin: Yeah...
Jun 11 00:15:49 <fredrin> smal bribes helps 
Jun 11 00:15:53 <alphaone> The problem seems to be it's e newer model
Jun 11 00:16:27 <alphaone> I don't know how in hell the LED backlight could break
Jun 11 00:17:09 <fredrin> i just failed, no breakage of the screen 
Jun 11 00:17:13 <fredrin> it
Jun 11 00:17:17 <alphaone> yep
Jun 11 00:17:17 <fredrin> ?
Jun 11 00:17:34 <fredrin> ah
Jun 11 00:17:42 <DocScrutinizer> alphaone: another failed fix-day? :-(
Jun 11 00:17:48 <alphaone> Yes
Jun 11 00:18:35 <alphaone> But at least I gained insights: http://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/gallery/x200s/index.html
Jun 11 00:31:07 <Toaster`> Ainulindale: Have you had a chance to check out the latest shr-settings/backup?
Jun 11 01:01:16 <DocScrutinizer> Toaster`: I'll give it a try in a few minutes
Jun 11 01:01:47 <Toaster`> Thanks DocScrutinizer 
Jun 11 01:12:02 <Toaster`> DocScrutinizer: it should actually be in the current shr-settings ipk
Jun 11 01:12:13 <Toaster`> on -unstable of course
Jun 11 01:16:48 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm, cursing dead-slow dfu-flash rootfs atm. shr-unstable 090610 anyway
Jun 11 01:18:33 <DocScrutinizer> btw shr-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090610-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 looks somewhat weird. "shr-shr-" and "ipk--2"
Jun 11 01:18:55 <DocScrutinizer> then there's *.bin.bin too :-D
Jun 11 01:27:10 * DocScrutinizer considers (probably the 10th time) to hack a ETA display into dfu-util
Jun 11 01:29:42 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, ~75%
Jun 11 01:29:54 <Toaster`> DocScrutinizer: so Jacob-Two-Two wrote the package names?  :)
Jun 11 01:30:58 <DocScrutinizer> seems jacobtwo-two is unknown here
Jun 11 01:31:04 <Toaster`> sorry
Jun 11 01:31:16 <Toaster`> childrens story
Jun 11 01:31:22 <DocScrutinizer> aah
Jun 11 01:32:17 <Toaster`> the title character repeats everything twice
Jun 11 01:32:18 <DocScrutinizer> RSN
Jun 11 01:33:24 <DocScrutinizer> finiiiiiiished
Jun 11 01:33:53 <Toaster`> heh
Jun 11 01:34:34 <Toaster`> usb 2.0 would have helped... next phone rev I suppose
Jun 11 01:35:20 <DocScrutinizer> SHR "it's booting" splash get's realy nasty eaten by console msgs :-/
Jun 11 01:36:51 <Toaster`> I have that issue too.  Though with the thinking that it's better to have the install on the uSD rather than the NAND, I doubt it'll ever change
Jun 11 01:37:10 <DocScrutinizer> looks like a virus or nervous console breakdown ;-)
Jun 11 01:37:28 <Toaster`> heh
Jun 11 01:38:04 <DocScrutinizer> X finally :-)
Jun 11 01:38:52 <DocScrutinizer> select languages form "US_en" :-D
Jun 11 01:39:00 <Toaster`> Figure there's anyway we can get any of that nifty fastboot stuff implemented ever?
Jun 11 01:39:30 <Toaster`> ugh, US_en is a bastard language... they don't even use 'u' properly ;)
Jun 11 01:39:37 <DocScrutinizer> surely not for first boot configuring hicolor-icon-theme and dunno what
Jun 11 01:40:25 <Toaster`> true. But for subsequent boots it should help
Jun 11 01:40:45 <DocScrutinizer> selewct applications menu from "system default"
Jun 11 01:41:22 <Toaster`> DocScrutinizer: is this your first time booting SHR?
Jun 11 01:42:05 <DocScrutinizer> applications Select icons to add just has "Mplayer" now. This was a little more last time?
Jun 11 01:42:23 <DocScrutinizer> yup, first boot for this flash
Jun 11 01:42:59 <DocScrutinizer> ahh, no. This one is the one with the many Applications to select
Jun 11 01:43:28 <Toaster`> yes and no, I haven't found that they do anything
Jun 11 01:43:31 <DocScrutinizer> "Quick Launch" "Select Applications"
Jun 11 01:44:16 <DocScrutinizer> this one still has no "revert selection" and "unselect all" buttons, as I suggested
Jun 11 01:45:01 <DocScrutinizer> err INvert, I guess
Jun 11 01:45:14 <Blu3> en_US you mean?
Jun 11 01:45:27 <Toaster`> that too :)
Jun 11 01:45:43 <Blu3> =]
Jun 11 01:46:20 <DocScrutinizer> (en_US) well actually it was "english" with a US flag
Jun 11 01:49:17 <DocScrutinizer> k, time is correct (grr, I didn't check prior to entering my PIN)
Jun 11 01:49:50 <DocScrutinizer> check GPS
Jun 11 01:57:45 <DocScrutinizer> wooow, total illume freeze
Jun 11 01:57:57 <Toaster`> What did you do?
Jun 11 01:58:47 <DocScrutinizer> nah, actually settings incl all subwin silently vanished
Jun 11 01:58:59 <Toaster`> huh, odd
Jun 11 01:59:07 <DocScrutinizer> so no arrows work :-)
Jun 11 01:59:42 * Toaster` should look at the base shr-settings app more often, not his own version :-/
Jun 11 01:59:55 <DocScrutinizer> k, gps is up and fine after some minutes
Jun 11 02:01:54 <DocScrutinizer> power refresh-button "works"
Jun 11 02:02:17 <Toaster`> Damn right it should!  I added it!  ;)
Jun 11 02:03:13 <DocScrutinizer> seems noone added a date setting/display to "Date/time"
Jun 11 02:03:15 <Toaster`> is it sufficiant for what you need?
Jun 11 02:03:23 <Toaster`> Not yet
Jun 11 02:04:11 <Toaster`> It's been discussed and crudely planned though
Jun 11 02:04:30 <Toaster`> crudely as in "We should add that...'
Jun 11 02:06:10 <DocScrutinizer> err settings-profiles-contacts (sim,csv,sql) is missing a close button
Jun 11 02:07:03 <Toaster`> DocScrutinizer: is another window, so you can use the illume close
Jun 11 02:08:07 <DocScrutinizer> splash settings seems to lack different options (guess dont panic not installed). Great interface anyway
Jun 11 02:08:24 <Toaster`> yeah, dos did a good job
Jun 11 02:08:47 <DocScrutinizer> where's the backup  thingy?
Jun 11 02:09:13 <Toaster`> Should be below the PIM settings
Jun 11 02:09:39 <DocScrutinizer> nuttin
Jun 11 02:09:46 <Toaster`> unless the image is old...
Jun 11 02:09:55 <Toaster`> you may have to update/upgrade
Jun 11 02:10:31 <Toaster`> This was just added last night
Jun 11 02:11:31 <DocScrutinizer> oh yes
Jun 11 02:12:08 <DocScrutinizer> still no messassin gui yet for that?
Jun 11 02:12:28 <Toaster`> no, not yet
Jun 11 02:12:46 <Toaster`> not sure if one if planned though... we can add it to the list though
Jun 11 02:20:43 <DocScrutinizer> Toaster`: opkg install <what?>
Jun 11 02:21:13 <Toaster`> it should just be the latest shr-settings
Jun 11 02:25:16 <DocScrutinizer> gprs connect -> "ings stopped running unexpectedly", "e was no error message", "save this message", "error log will be saved as /home/root/Setting", ">Advan"
Jun 11 02:26:09 <Toaster`> DocScrutinizer: ?  are you just dumping the e errors here?
Jun 11 02:26:32 <DocScrutinizer> I'm just quoting verbatim the screen I got on pressing gprs connect
Jun 11 02:27:21 <MadTBone> been a while since I've tinkered with my gta02... last SHR I tried was around December.  What are the major issues that have improved since then?
Jun 11 02:27:31 <Toaster`> That's just the e error screen, it never lists anything useful
Jun 11 02:28:09 <DocScrutinizer> and it's truncated to FUBAR
Jun 11 02:28:38 <Toaster`> GPRS should work with a proper APN/user/password, and it should presist upon a proper connection
Jun 11 02:28:41 <DocScrutinizer> "ettings was interrupted by a Segmentation F"
Jun 11 02:28:58 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Jun 11 02:29:24 <Toaster`> huh, I'll have to ask dos to check into that.  It could be dbus related.  I don't use GPRS so I can't test
Jun 11 02:29:59 <DocScrutinizer> guess I should reboot ;-)
Jun 11 02:31:00 <DocScrutinizer> heard the first boot never results in a full functioning system ;-D
Jun 11 02:32:29 <Toaster`> MadTBone: GPRS should work fine, wifi is a bit flacky (personal opinion) but can work. calls, resume/suspend, sms, all work.  pim is under development.
Jun 11 02:32:54 <Toaster`> DocScrutinizer: on a first flash, yeah, IIRC
Jun 11 02:33:35 <MadTBone> Toaster`: thanks
Jun 11 02:33:55 <Toaster`> MadTBone: I use it as my daily phone myself, even without the buzz fix.
Jun 11 02:34:34 <DocScrutinizer> same here ;-)
Jun 11 02:35:10 <Toaster`> I also get 2 days of use sans charge without too much trouble.
Jun 11 02:36:28 <Toaster`> MadTBone: Though I'd suggest running SHR-unstable... you have a risk of things breaking horribly, but I think it's a bit better then the others
Jun 11 02:36:46 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, connected. that's the way I like it
Jun 11 02:36:56 <budfive> so is the dbus problem supposed to be fixed? There was a framework commit that said so, but I still can't suspend at times even after that patch
Jun 11 02:37:57 <DocScrutinizer> budfive: situation not completely clear afaik
Jun 11 02:38:32 <DocScrutinizer> assumptions are there might be more than one issue
Jun 11 02:38:41 <Toaster`> I suspend/resume fine, though I have had a couple issues after unclean disconnects
Jun 11 02:38:44 <budfive> DocScrutinizer: OK. Glad it's not just me
Jun 11 02:39:51 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, autosuspend auto-off still not working on boot with plugged charger
Jun 11 02:40:34 <Toaster`> when charging auto-suspend is turned off.  Then you unplug, it resets
Jun 11 02:41:06 <Toaster`> well it should
Jun 11 02:41:08 <Toaster`> :)
Jun 11 02:41:36 <DocScrutinizer> but LED switching and autosuspend off/on is *way* faster now on plug/unplug
Jun 11 02:42:14 <Toaster`> it is... I hadn't noticed that
Jun 11 02:42:16 <Toaster`> very nice
Jun 11 02:42:33 <DocScrutinizer> Toaster`: I just stated that this does not work when booting with charger plugged
Jun 11 02:42:42 <Toaster`> ahh, sorry
Jun 11 02:42:48 <Toaster`> I miss-understoof
Jun 11 02:43:22 <Toaster`> s/miss-understoof/misunderstood/
Jun 11 02:43:23 <bzzbot> Toaster` meant: I misunderstood
Jun 11 02:47:45 <DocScrutinizer> Toaster`: so what opkg cmd should I hack in to get the backup without messing with the rest of system?
Jun 11 02:47:57 <Toaster`> opkg install shr-settings
Jun 11 02:48:32 <Toaster`> though I've been reviewing things, and I'm not sure Ainulindale included all the needed files
Jun 11 02:48:53 <Toaster`> the /etc/shr/settings/* files are missing from what I see
Jun 11 02:49:03 <Toaster`> do you have any of those on your system?
Jun 11 02:50:26 <DocScrutinizer> dunno, but i have a working settings here
Jun 11 02:50:59 <Toaster`> the only files that should be in there currently are for shr-settings -> backup 
Jun 11 02:53:01 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, anyway: "shr-settings (foo-r5) installed in root is up to date"
Jun 11 02:53:27 <Toaster`> interesting
Jun 11 02:54:10 <Toaster`> maybe it's not there then... 
Jun 11 02:54:12 <Toaster`> heh
Jun 11 02:54:19 <Toaster`> s/e/u/
Jun 11 02:54:20 <bzzbot> Toaster` meant: huh
Jun 11 02:54:45 <DocScrutinizer> no /etc/shr/
Jun 11 02:55:51 <Toaster`> ok, I think I may have spoken too soon, and got my setup here confused with the current release
Jun 11 02:56:28 <Toaster`> hrm.. no it should be the one
Jun 11 02:56:43 <Toaster`> commit 935626...
Jun 11 02:57:21 <Toaster`> do you have /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/shr_settings_modules/shr_backup.py?
Jun 11 02:58:02 <DocScrutinizer> no idea bout commits. shr-version here: timestamp 10 jun 09, 14:20:39
Jun 11 02:59:46 <Toaster`> `opkg list_installed | grep "shr-settings "` and the package should be v0.1.1, r222, <commit>, r5
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