**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 16 02:59:57 2009 Jun 16 04:26:24 good morning Jun 16 04:30:44 morning Jun 16 04:53:18 DocScrutinizer, first thing I want to try is to have all needed packages in the feed and offer a script to do the switch Jun 16 04:53:22 then lets see :) Jun 16 04:53:51 fine :-) Jun 16 04:55:04 * mrmoku` needs coffee :) Jun 16 04:57:43 hm. Jun 16 04:58:32 * Q-Master just wonders whos idea was to change /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios to /usr/share/shr/scenarii???? Several programs are not working properly anymore. Jun 16 06:18:33 good morning Jun 16 06:46:37 Ainulindale, ok, think I found the problem Jun 16 07:00:47 is this the right way to calculate the distance to a gps position: http://pastebin.ca/1461924 Jun 16 07:04:58 playya: clearly not? longtitude lines are denser near poles and you don't take that into account? Jun 16 07:05:47 hmm. ok. i use the radius stuff Jun 16 07:06:01 the accuracy should be about 50m Jun 16 07:26:39 Zorkman: nice try (going up to 797), I'm now at 1027 :) Jun 16 07:33:42 good morning Jun 16 07:34:04 mrmoku: so? Jun 16 07:36:43 Ainulindale, not sure anymore :P Jun 16 07:37:06 I thought it is the commit to split g_ether as depend for gta02 only Jun 16 07:37:16 but maybe it was just cleaning stuff properly... don't know Jun 16 07:37:24 will try that again later Jun 16 07:37:35 <[Rui]> hi Jun 16 07:37:49 Ainulindale, but I have a properly built image now :) Jun 16 07:38:03 * mrmoku back to work... Jun 16 07:38:56 PaulFertser: would it be better to test that normal things work with 100 MHz clock or to concentrate on getting maximum savings in a specific case (gps logging)? Jun 16 07:38:57 <[Rui]> I'm having a dependencies problem, am I wrong in using fso-testing for making ipks? Jun 16 07:40:31 lindi-: i think stability must go first. So it shouldn't be possible to hang FR even when it's running 100 MHz. Jun 16 07:41:46 ok (now at 43 mA with nothing running :-P) Jun 16 07:44:18 lindi-: have you tried 50 MHz? (i'm not exactly sure it's supported as i need to read more code). Jun 16 07:45:16 PaulFertser, lindi- what are you talking about? Jun 16 07:45:30 the kernel clock source? Jun 16 07:45:48 methril|work: yes, and the power consumption Jun 16 07:46:31 PaulFertser: nope, i'll do 100 MHz testing first Jun 16 07:46:55 well, most of ticks are at 100 MHz by default isn't it? Jun 16 07:47:06 methril|work: 400 MHz Jun 16 07:47:50 this is related to cprufreq? Jun 16 07:47:56 methril|work: or are you talking about timer ticks? they are 200 Hz Jun 16 07:48:52 lindi-: are you talking clock source? crystal? I'm confused :/ Jun 16 07:50:29 methril|work: s3c2442 freq and voltage is set by the patch if i understand this correctly Jun 16 07:51:20 lindi-: can you tell me what patch you used? I applied the patch and can control the cpufreq sysfs nodes, but the gta02 does not actually slow down Jun 16 07:52:44 budfive_: iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/consumption has a copy Jun 16 07:52:57 budfive_: did you run the commands recommended in Rick's mail? Jun 16 07:53:56 PaulFertser: just got "gpsd: bad checksum in NMEA packet." Jun 16 07:55:52 lindi-: thanks. I'll try that tomorrow. Now to bed. Jun 16 09:19:59 hy at all Jun 16 09:20:34 there's someone? Jun 16 09:20:58 c'è qualcuno? Jun 16 09:21:16 Monska: morning. Jun 16 09:21:27 good morning Jun 16 09:21:44 can I ask you something about SHR? Jun 16 09:22:06 Monska: no, we eat people who ask about SHR.... Jun 16 09:22:07 shoot Jun 16 09:23:03 i flash the nand with shr and work well, wifi is only thing that doesn't work Jun 16 09:23:15 mofi crash Jun 16 09:23:15 Monska: what doesn't work? Jun 16 09:23:23 ah..; i never use mofi anymore... Jun 16 09:23:25 i don't connect Jun 16 09:23:25 Monska: mofi is quite unstable I fear Jun 16 09:23:39 You may want to use another software just to test Jun 16 09:23:43 infact i use shell command but this is the error Jun 16 09:24:01 # ifconfig eth0 up 192.168.0.33 Jun 16 09:24:02 # iwconfig eth0 essid "Monska Wi-Fi" Jun 16 09:24:02 Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : Jun 16 09:24:02 SET failed on device eth0 ; Input/output error. Jun 16 09:24:39 you have to activate wifi first within shr-settings Jun 16 09:24:48 the wifi is active Jun 16 09:25:12 in shr-settings the button is ON on black background Jun 16 09:26:54 infact at the command ifconfig eth0 up there's no error Jun 16 09:30:30 the setting of usb connection is 192.168.2.X and eth0 is 192.168.0.X what is the problem? Jun 16 09:39:11 nothing? Jun 16 09:43:21 someone can help me? Jun 16 09:44:18 Monska: I can only tell yo uwhat works for me, I'm no hero Jun 16 09:45:33 see pm Jun 16 09:52:03 hey guys Jun 16 09:52:12 i managed to make mofi.py work Jun 16 09:52:27 it took a little changing in the code Jun 16 09:53:04 i took the time to make mofi.py at shell to work only so... Jun 16 09:53:18 ask away... Jun 16 10:05:01 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/b7488a0b46014e9c6f2bac1aca802a03.png look nice Jun 16 10:27:32 hi, is there any function to get a file path+name from a 'browser'? (I need to make the user select a file) Jun 16 10:37:00 lindi-: ping Jun 16 10:42:23 tracfeed: Ticket #519 (Offer reboot button in power dialog) created Jun 16 10:47:16 sylar, which toolkit? Jun 16 10:47:25 or sth like dialog? Jun 16 10:52:52 playya: efl Jun 16 10:53:34 afair its afailable. but i'm not really familar with efl Jun 16 10:54:25 available Jun 16 10:54:31 tztztz Jun 16 11:09:24 moin Jun 16 11:09:44 midday Jun 16 11:10:21 Zorkman: "moin" != morning ;-) Jun 16 11:11:27 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moin Jun 16 11:16:44 what the FSCK happened to my nick??? eeeek Jun 16 11:17:03 DocScrut`: sorry, it seems that the bip server looses network connectivity from time to time :-/ Jun 16 11:18:35 noticed that, even would call it "rather frequent" ;) Jun 16 11:42:16 PaulFertser: sth like 4 times (estimated value) last 24h Jun 16 11:51:10 PaulFertser: do you think it's possible to create a alsa hook to call execve()/syscall() whatever generic? Jun 16 11:52:05 PaulFertser: or do we need an own dedicated mini-lib.so for this? Jun 16 12:02:43 hoooooo, scary. "quiet earth" at GMT-noon, that's new Jun 16 12:02:56 ;-) Jun 16 12:03:40 or is it that BIP borked another time? Jun 16 12:05:58 bzzbot: botsnack Jun 16 12:05:59 DocScrutinizer: thanks Jun 16 12:06:04 aaahh Jun 16 12:06:46 so quiet eart or another nasty CIA project :-/ Jun 16 12:07:42 ~nice bot Jun 16 12:11:30 * rhkfin kicks bzzbot just to see what happens.. Jun 16 12:11:47 bzzvot ignored me already.. knew it.. Jun 16 12:12:09 ~kick rhkfin Jun 16 12:12:47 rhkfin: seems you're on his /ignore 100% ;-P Jun 16 12:13:21 DocScrutinizer: indeed :) Jun 16 12:13:27 bzzbot: how're you Jun 16 12:13:46 never mind... Jun 16 12:13:55 bzzbot: tell rhkfin he is a nice guy Jun 16 12:14:51 bzzbot: you nasty crap of a bot! Jun 16 12:15:13 he insulted me in private msh o.O Jun 16 12:15:16 msg Jun 16 12:16:47 rhkfin: what did you do to bzzbot so he even insults people telling him about you? ;-P Jun 16 12:18:32 DocScrutinizer: ha :) Jun 16 12:20:14 rhkfin: for bzzbot you're "invalid target" - pffff o.O Jun 16 12:21:18 ~whois rhkfin Jun 16 12:21:40 bzzbot: die! Jun 16 12:21:57 :) Jun 16 12:22:31 precox obedience :-P Jun 16 12:23:25 bzzbot: how are you? Jun 16 12:23:26 DocScrutinizer: mas o menos Jun 16 12:23:34 bzzbot: HA! Jun 16 12:23:39 yeah, seems about right Jun 16 12:23:53 * rhkfin kicks bzzbot again, a bit harder this time.. Jun 16 12:24:14 more like "menos" it seems Jun 16 12:24:38 DocScrutinizer: I guess it only talks to people who have been accredited :) Jun 16 12:24:52 maybe Jun 16 12:25:32 bzzbot: go and delete yourself! Jun 16 12:25:39 no reason for this rotten heap of bits to get offensive though Jun 16 12:25:46 :) Jun 16 12:26:02 DocScrutinizer: do you mean me :) Jun 16 12:26:22 are you a rotten heap of bits??? Jun 16 12:26:47 hard to tell what you think of me :) Jun 16 12:27:07 so what did it say? Jun 16 12:27:21 heh, you prolly don't want to know ;-P Jun 16 12:28:25 unsolicited private msgs are an offense in itself anyway Jun 16 12:28:31 Hmm.. well even if it's a bot I could take it personally.. I believe bzzbot has something against me.. Jun 16 12:29:21 bzzbot told me you are "invalid target" to him Jun 16 12:29:22 okay, DocScrutinizer Jun 16 12:29:43 fuck off you stupid bot!!! waaaaah Jun 16 12:29:49 :D Jun 16 12:29:54 DocMobilizer: did he program him to not attack him ? :) Jun 16 12:30:03 ~forget told me you Jun 16 12:30:03 i forgot told me you, DocScrutinizer Jun 16 12:30:17 bzzbot, or would you rather prefer if we refer to you as a thing ? Jun 16 12:30:36 ~what'swrongwithyou :) Jun 16 12:30:52 bzzbot doesn't talk to strtangers, it seems Jun 16 12:31:46 mickey|dinner ? Jun 16 12:31:52 mickey|dinner: just checking that you got my mail Jun 16 12:35:28 ~uptime Jun 16 12:36:18 Ainulindale, could you try if you suffer from 'dbus borks when resumed by incoming sms' bug? Jun 16 12:36:41 I think I do from times to times Jun 16 12:37:03 mrmoku: never seen here Jun 16 12:37:19 DocScrutinizer, because you use old working stuff :P Jun 16 12:37:27 last time it worked yesterday Jun 16 12:37:46 but yes, my img is some days old now Jun 16 12:38:08 and borks frequently random Jun 16 12:38:28 always seems like dbus causing it Jun 16 12:38:37 guess you have the old dbus bug then Jun 16 12:38:42 ~lart dbus Jun 16 12:38:43 * bzzbot keeps mailing dbus free America Online CDs until he drowns Jun 16 12:38:49 mrmoku: see backscroll this night Jun 16 12:39:07 bzzbot, don't think dbus needs many CDs to drown ;) Jun 16 12:39:29 alphaone? Jun 16 12:40:12 mrmoku: find "dbus async" Jun 16 12:40:29 Ainulindale, did you see mickey|dinner's mail about replacing parts of python framework with vala framework for ms5.5? Jun 16 12:40:32 DocScrutinizer, will do Jun 16 12:41:12 [01:14] dbus async seems borked foobar, and recent patch seems no ultimate fix Jun 16 12:41:20 DocScrutinizer, ahh, so you have the patched one Jun 16 12:41:32 I think so Jun 16 12:41:38 not sure Jun 16 12:41:43 mrmoku: no I didn't Jun 16 12:41:45 Where was it? Jun 16 12:41:56 DocScrutinizer, you can notice easily by the mass of debug messages ;) Jun 16 12:42:00 Ainulindale, let me check Jun 16 12:42:44 yeah, got those nasty "deprecated" warnings spamming my screen. that's why I thought I got the patch Jun 16 12:43:09 Ainulindale, it was on smartphones-userland list Jun 16 12:43:20 DocScrutinizer, yep, have it then :) Jun 16 12:43:37 Ainulindale, Re: [Debian] Packaging new frameworkd snapshot? Jun 16 12:44:17 still testing-090416 feels more stable to me than recent unstable Jun 16 12:44:34 mrmoku: will check Jun 16 12:44:52 that might be just me tho Jun 16 12:52:14 Just posted on http://blog.shr-project.org/ guys Jun 16 12:54:45 PaulFertser: hi. did you get my mail ? :) Jun 16 12:59:37 mrmoku: please give your opinion on my post Jun 16 13:04:05 good post :) Jun 16 13:04:13 Good Jun 16 13:04:17 ptitjes: I need your written material Jun 16 13:04:20 mickey|dinner: same for you Jun 16 13:04:34 khorben: same heere Jun 16 13:10:34 what can be done to get rid of "Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged" ? Jun 16 13:11:01 i have some scripts which use mdbus and i get loads of them Jun 16 13:12:18 Ainulindale: khorben's paper is already available at http://people.defora.org/~khorben/papers/hackable1/hackable1-fsoshrudcon.pdf Jun 16 13:12:57 Ok copied Jun 16 13:17:09 KaZeR: that's resulting from a dbus patch. probably framework should take care of it. No idea what are plans and schedule regarding this. Mickey told sth like it will vanish with vala-rewrite IIUC Jun 16 13:17:30 mickey|dinner: need to talk with you asap about the french article in linux mag Jun 16 13:23:13 thanks DocScrutinizer Jun 16 13:27:54 mrmoku: I'm really curious about whether this notorious "deprecated" debugmsg is suggesting to rewrite all framework dbus calls (or python bindings) to implement another (possibly more correct) scheme, or if we can just fix dbus itself to target this Jun 16 13:29:13 DocScrutinizer, good question... I fear the first one :( Jun 16 13:29:49 so 1A or 1B (framework or python-bindings)? Jun 16 13:31:51 mrmoku: obviously py-binding would be rather convenient compared to a total rewrite/refactoring of framework Jun 16 13:34:07 for now this nasty dbus instability is rendering all FSO based systems/distros quite unusable it seems to me Jun 16 13:38:40 DocScrutinizer: with simple C apps there are those errors as well Jun 16 13:39:06 DocScrutinizer: and it bug report, where this patch is from, it was stated, that bindings has to be changed Jun 16 13:39:14 dos1: which errors particularly? Jun 16 13:39:28 DocScrutinizer: well, no errors, but that messages about deprecated using Jun 16 13:39:42 DocScrutinizer: dbus-glib and python-dbus need changes i think Jun 16 13:41:00 hmm, yes. The main problem isn't these warnings but dbus still unstable and sometimes losing msgs (or msg replies, or sth) Jun 16 13:41:40 DocScrutinizer: i don't have than since patch... Jun 16 13:42:16 DocScrutinizer: only shr-settings segfaults sometimes mysteriously, and there are some other FSO issues, which causes overall hang Jun 16 13:42:24 from random nature of settings/gsmd/*whatever breakage I dare to state it's a race Jun 16 13:42:38 DocScrutinizer: but it looks now it's FSO, not dbus issue Jun 16 13:46:38 DocScrutinizer: since that patch i've had only two critical issues Jun 16 13:46:46 hmm, I get "dbus borked" msgs from settings, random framework lockups, particular modules or even single sliders like gps-manual-on/off not showing up. all of these random, so seems they have a common denominator which seems to be dbus(+bindings+framework), and cause obviously is a random race as I can't believe anything else could introduce this amount of randomness to whole system Jun 16 13:46:52 DocScrutinizer: one with ousaged/oeventsd race (workarounded in SHR now) Jun 16 13:47:12 DocScrutinizer: and when speech-dispatcher was runned, after playing some ringtone via gstreamer Jun 16 13:47:33 DocScrutinizer: uh. strange. i don't have that :x Jun 16 13:49:08 do you run / fron nand or sd? Jun 16 13:50:34 DocScrutinizer: from sd Jun 16 13:51:00 yeah, sd always felt much more stable to me as well Jun 16 13:51:37 another indication these issues are based on race rootcause somehow Jun 16 13:52:34 DocScrutinizer: well, i borked my nand and i'm too lazy to fix it ;) Jun 16 13:52:35 alphaone: could you tell me when FSO started exactly? Jun 16 13:53:01 even tagogps doesn't show my map tile of current location when run from nand Jun 16 13:53:39 tho this might be a completely unrelated topic Jun 16 13:53:43 dunno Jun 16 13:56:15 DocScrutinizer: maybe you have some filesystem corruption? :x Jun 16 13:56:29 just now I'm noticing kbd doesn't vanish every time you switch screens like it used to do 6 weeks ago. Is sth been fixed wrt this? Jun 16 13:56:54 DocScrutinizer: maybe some bug in matchbox protocol Jun 16 13:58:26 dos1: so how could that (fs-corruption) cause dbus borked errors or settings-gps not showing the on/off slider? Jun 16 13:58:30 Damn mickey|dinner is never here Jun 16 13:58:42 I should ask for his GSM and text him to annoy him Jun 16 13:58:55 Ainulindale: best ask mickey or look into the early commits Jun 16 13:59:17 alphaone: I could try to write the part on FSO myself but I seriously think we need your opinion Jun 16 13:59:22 Plus you could earn money for it Jun 16 14:00:54 Ainulindale: Must be between April and Juli 2008 Jun 16 14:01:06 well first commit is in march Jun 16 14:01:14 And I see that it was mirrored from SVN :-) Jun 16 14:01:46 DocScrutinizer: dunno :P or mem-corruption ;P Jun 16 14:01:53 Ainulindale: shoragan could know Jun 16 14:02:02 DocScrutinizer: but i think it's more likely to some dbus or frameworkd bug ;) Jun 16 14:02:13 alphaone: well anyways I'll talk tonight with mickey|dinner over the phone Jun 16 14:02:18 So it should be good enough :-) Jun 16 14:02:46 okay Jun 16 14:05:29 Ainulindale: first commit is from may on git! :o Jun 16 14:12:07 I'm such a bloke. Jun 16 14:13:07 TAsn: heh ;-D Jun 16 14:13:26 Gui is bad! you accidentally click stuff you don't want to click :) Jun 16 14:16:10 TAsn: you want to compare two files Jun 16 14:16:17 TAsn: in CLI: "cmp file1 file2" Jun 16 14:16:24 TAsn: imagine you did typo Jun 16 14:16:28 TAsn: "cp file1 file2" Jun 16 14:16:30 ;) Jun 16 14:16:45 :) Jun 16 14:16:46 then there is no more need for comparing :D Jun 16 14:16:47 that's also bad. Jun 16 14:17:09 dos1, as you implied this way you'll get the result of the comparison to stdout Jun 16 14:17:10 null. Jun 16 14:17:10 ;) Jun 16 14:21:40 Ainulindale: good post Jun 16 14:21:58 khorben: your written material is online in our directory too Jun 16 14:22:12 ok, thanks :) Jun 16 14:44:46 dos1, ping Jun 16 14:44:53 mrmoku: pong Jun 16 14:44:59 dos1, does rock-solid phone functionality include wakeup by sms? Jun 16 14:45:07 mrmoku: yep Jun 16 14:45:38 dos1, yesterday one of our italian users reported problems to me... then I tried it myself Jun 16 14:45:57 if I suspend manually and send me a SMS something goes wild Jun 16 14:47:03 mrmoku: ??? Jun 16 14:47:40 DocScrutinizer, ? Jun 16 14:47:58 mrmoku: what's "something goes wild"? Jun 16 14:48:14 hehe... dbus borks... frameworkd borks... don't know yet Jun 16 14:48:34 suspend hangs after that Jun 16 14:48:47 hmmm, not nice Jun 16 14:48:59 another yaml-rule maybe ? Jun 16 14:49:17 did not retry yet after todays update... (which changed some yaml-rule) Jun 16 14:49:20 will do that later Jun 16 14:50:00 mrmoku: what's supposed update procedure for a enduser like me? Jun 16 14:50:57 opkg update; opkg upgrade? Jun 16 14:51:15 dos1, still having problems with shr-settings set Date/Time Jun 16 14:51:23 mrmoku: (for unstable) Jun 16 14:51:39 dos1, the problem now is that changing time is reverted after reboot :P Jun 16 14:51:52 Sharwin_F: still "Date" missing? ;-P Jun 16 14:51:54 Sharwin_F: that's not shr-settings issue Jun 16 14:52:10 Sharwin_F: maybe frameworkd is setting time automatically from NTP, GSM or GPS ;P Jun 16 14:52:10 DocScrutinizer, yeah, though due to opkg being a utterly crappy piece of shit that will go OOM if it has to much stuff to update Jun 16 14:52:14 Sharwin_F: turn it off and test Jun 16 14:52:23 might have to call it more than once Jun 16 14:52:56 mrmoku: ok, will do Jun 16 14:53:50 dos1, can I turn it down in shr-settings itself? Jun 16 14:53:57 Sharwin_F: no Jun 16 14:54:26 dos1: we should turn it off by default, as mentioned by me some days ago Jun 16 14:55:09 dos1: and have a manual TZ setting (plus date setting! ;-) in shr-settings-date&time Jun 16 14:55:21 +1 for that :D Jun 16 14:55:28 Ainulindale: yes sire yes Jun 16 14:55:29 mrmoku: when new python-elementary will come to feed? Jun 16 14:55:47 goot afternoon everybody btw Jun 16 14:56:28 ptitjes: waiting for your mail then Jun 16 14:56:45 yep writing it now Jun 16 14:58:16 you should have it now Jun 16 14:58:38 Ainulindale: and btw, you did not even tell me if you were comming or not :( Jun 16 14:58:41 Which name should I put for the pdf file name? Jun 16 14:58:44 I'm so sad you did not Jun 16 14:58:53 ptitjes: where? When? What? Jun 16 14:58:57 (come) Jun 16 14:59:07 Ainulindale: What ????? Jun 16 14:59:17 Ainulindale: ok then you just forgot Jun 16 14:59:26 Your BBQ? Jun 16 14:59:29 that makes me even more sad Jun 16 14:59:31 yes Jun 16 14:59:35 what else ?? ;) Jun 16 14:59:37 I told you on IRC that I wouldn't be able to be there as I was feeling sick Jun 16 14:59:49 huummmm Jun 16 15:00:01 rewind back my momery Jun 16 15:00:09 memory... sljlsilsjlisjlis Jun 16 15:00:11 oh yes :) Jun 16 15:00:30 alphaone|gone: you told me to remind you Jun 16 15:00:32 :) Jun 16 15:00:38 alphaone|gone: so I do :) Jun 16 15:01:00 ptitjes: so which name? Jun 16 15:01:18 Ainulindale: oh you mean last name or not ? Jun 16 15:01:21 I don't mind Jun 16 15:01:26 do as for the others Jun 16 15:01:35 or specificaly as you feel it Jun 16 15:01:45 ptitjes: Well could you please just tell me how to write it properly as I could be mistaken? Jun 16 15:01:58 Didier 'Ptitjes' would be ok Jun 16 15:02:18 dos1: for test & misc modules, code already exists : http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/BINDINGS/python/python-elementary/tests/test.py Jun 16 15:02:27 or Didier 'Ptitjes' Villevalois would be ok (but then I loose my anonymity...) Jun 16 15:02:28 :D Jun 16 15:02:37 dos1, it *is* in the feed Jun 16 15:02:45 albacore: that's not example for SHR Settings module :x Jun 16 15:02:47 (which I'm quite sure is already borked) Jun 16 15:02:49 mrmoku: oh, ok then ;D Jun 16 15:03:25 Ainulindale: what demonic things are you doing? Jun 16 15:03:36 dos1: I'm banning you, why? Jun 16 15:03:48 DocScrutinizer: to answer that question i need to understand alsa in much more details than i do now. Jun 16 15:04:00 ok c u all Jun 16 15:04:02 bye Jun 16 15:04:54 Ainulindale: and you're making some official PDF and you need date when FSO started for banning me? ;) Jun 16 15:04:57 dos1: http://build.shr-project.org/fsoshrudcon/ Jun 16 15:04:59 rtp: hm, no? Jun 16 15:05:33 dos1: and no, I'm writing an article for a french magazine on linux Jun 16 15:05:39 Ainulindale: oh, fine! :) Jun 16 15:05:44 fine++ Jun 16 15:05:45 ;D Jun 16 15:08:26 rtp: it's in my gmail's spam folder :-/ not sure why Jun 16 15:10:11 PaulFertser: could you just have a look at a convenient lib providing syscall(), compare the call parameter conventions to those of libasound.so (according to http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html "hook"), and maybe toss me a pointer to those src-code sniplets and your thoughts on it? Jun 16 15:10:26 DocScrutinizer: i'll try Jun 16 15:10:35 PaulFertser: cool, thanks Jun 16 15:11:21 PaulFertser: I was not sure about your mail adress. now I know that it's the right one but getting it in the spam folder is annoying :( Jun 16 15:11:23 PaulFertser: also a good interface for your projected sound-arbiter Jun 16 15:11:41 rtp: it won't happen again? Jun 16 15:12:14 PaulFertser: as I don't know why it's in the spam folder, I don't what's wrong :( Jun 16 15:13:26 rtp, its just because google hate you) Jun 16 15:13:57 rtp: i'm not sure, probably i was sleepy and marked it as spam myself? Jun 16 15:14:28 max_posedon: ouch :) Jun 16 15:14:57 rtp: from your mail "Received-SPF: pass" and i can't see any signs of being similar to spam... Very strang stuff. Jun 16 15:15:08 silly robots :-/ bzzbot hates rhkfin, google hates rtp... Jun 16 15:15:57 anyway, paul. bbl, ttyl Jun 16 15:16:14 CU, Doc :) Jun 16 15:16:21 PaulFertser: weird. sending a mail with my usual adress to my gmail account is fine. don't understand what's happening :/ Jun 16 15:16:47 need to finally swap my 16G uSD for a working ne ;-) Jun 16 15:16:51 rtp: looks like i marked it myself as spam by occasion though the probability of that is low, i think. Jun 16 15:17:30 rtp: (battery stuff) already known, units are wrong, mV instead of uV, will fix soon. Jun 16 15:18:52 dos1: "settings stopped running unexpectedly". U need the error log? Jun 16 15:18:57 it won't solve the fact that frameworkd & battery applet are probably trying to use some files which don't exist :) Jun 16 15:19:04 rtp: changing and battery stuff is different between gta01 and gta02, gta01 can monitor battery current and voltage while on gta02 you have to ask the chip integrated in battery for that (that chip is smart enough and provides other interesting readings as well). Jun 16 15:19:14 DocScrutinizer: i don't think there is any interesting error log Jun 16 15:19:29 k, so I close Jun 16 15:19:30 DocScrutinizer: just "Segmentation fault", am i right? Jun 16 15:19:56 rtp: according to the power_supply api documentation the kernel should provide userspace only with values that can be directly measured by hardware, all "educated guesses" about more advanced stuff should be done in the userspace. Jun 16 15:20:00 no idea "there was no error message" Jun 16 15:20:12 DocScrutinizer: i have some idea about why it happens Jun 16 15:20:34 rtp: can you say what vt does X server run on your gta01? Jun 16 15:21:24 k, I'll hit "save this message" which hopefully means "save log". then I need to run Jun 16 15:22:02 PaulFertser: well, it still remains the problem that userspace can't know the min/max values for current. annoying if you want to compute things like time before full :) Jun 16 15:22:29 PaulFertser: what's your prefered test to check that ? Jun 16 15:22:36 rtp: ps ax | grep X Jun 16 15:24:15 rtp: min/max values for current are battery specific, i think. Jun 16 15:24:43 PaulFertser: vt1 Jun 16 15:24:48 rtp: not even battery specific, it just doesn't make sense to know about it. Jun 16 15:25:14 rtp: because minimal current is obviously 0 and maximum is what FR can consume in peak, i think about 2A for short GSM consumption pikes. Jun 16 15:25:52 even more Jun 16 15:25:54 rtp: that's dead wrong, shouldn't be vt1, because vt1 is console and keypresses go to console instead of X. Was fixed for gta02 long time ago. Just amend your nodm script. Jun 16 15:25:57 PaulFertser: hmm.. right... it should handle using things like bl-5c Jun 16 15:27:11 rtp: what's interesting is voltages threshold and current consumption, but to make sense of that one need a battery-specific conversion tables. Jun 16 15:27:50 PaulFertser: fwiw, it's vt1 on my gta02 and working Jun 16 15:28:10 rtp: o_O Jun 16 15:28:35 rtp: i verified on my device that it doesn't work with vt1. Probably it depends on your kernel cmdline then, i use Qi here. Jun 16 15:29:35 PaulFertser: but then, how can the app know that battery is full ? how can they be fixed to stuop bug me about battery emply even if it's not the case ? Jun 16 15:29:49 PaulFertser: u-boot :) Jun 16 15:29:55 mrmoku: did you test image with new EFLSRC rev? Jun 16 15:30:00 yep Jun 16 15:30:14 well... I did not flash the image... I upgraded Jun 16 15:30:23 mrmoku: ok. shr-settings was working ok? Jun 16 15:30:23 Before any bump, please put it through coreteam :-) Jun 16 15:30:29 rtp: power_supply class designers say that there should exist a special library but it's yet to be written ;) Jun 16 15:30:48 PaulFertser: :( Jun 16 15:32:57 mrmoku: here shr-settings looks strange Jun 16 15:33:07 mrmoku: and ophonekitd isn't working Jun 16 15:33:09 yep, the quit button is strange Jun 16 15:33:15 mrmoku: only? Jun 16 15:33:38 mrmoku: aren't buttons too small, and hoversels too big? Jun 16 15:33:40 ophonekitd works for me Jun 16 15:33:52 buttons are generally smaller... but I considered that a feature :P Jun 16 15:34:10 mrmoku: and hoversels? Jun 16 15:35:19 yeah... font of hoversels is... bigger :) Jun 16 15:35:35 PaulFertser: btw, a userspace library won't solve the problem about stopping the charge. if the kernel is controlling the charge it has to know when to stop :) Jun 16 15:37:01 * mrmoku has to go now... bbl Jun 16 15:37:21 mrmoku|away: so we have broken shr-settings layout :P Jun 16 15:39:08 mrmoku|away: about ophonekitd - nevermind, seems like my fault Jun 16 15:40:46 mickeyl! Jun 16 15:41:12 rtp: stopping the charge is done after receiving pcf signal so some thresholds should be set by kernel in pcf, you're right. Jun 16 15:41:51 morning Jun 16 15:42:37 * onen|openBmap got his first patch :'-) Jun 16 15:42:46 mickeyl: hi Jun 16 15:42:59 PaulFertser: he he, thanks for the indirect patch ;-) Jun 16 15:43:05 onen|openBmap: hey :) Jun 16 15:43:10 hi onen Jun 16 15:43:20 mickeyl: seems you were the most wanted person on this chan during your afk ;) Jun 16 15:43:36 onen|openBmap: btw, i've got one more feature request. Is it possible to show the quantity of cells seen during current trip somewhere on the screen? Jun 16 15:44:41 PaulFertser: planned in next version Jun 16 15:44:58 dos1: ;) Jun 16 15:45:25 PaulFertser: buttons will move to a specific full of button screen. and the saved space will be used for more infos, like these Jun 16 15:46:42 onen|openBmap: nice :) Jun 16 15:47:15 onen|openBmap: ah, another one: ability to set loglevel in config file, trivial but more elegant than editing the source. Jun 16 15:51:08 PaulFertser: planned in next version. reason simple: I want to set debug level. and I want to deliver info level. and as you said, hardcoded is, let's say *ugly* Jun 16 15:54:04 onen|openBmap: :))) thanks for your efforts. Can i ask an end-user question? ;) Jun 16 15:55:08 onen|openBmap: how can i see all cell stations in a particular area on a map? Jun 16 15:57:47 onen|openBmap: also Zhone shows LAC in hex which requires conversion if i use your webinterface. Jun 16 15:58:50 rtp: so, have you tried to run X on another vt (say vt4)? Jun 16 16:07:53 PaulFertser: with vt2, aux is now working. power still not working. Jun 16 16:09:26 rtp: can you see power event in xev? Jun 16 16:09:31 PaulFertser: with settings changed in E, now power is fine too Jun 16 16:09:52 rtp: cool Jun 16 16:10:08 PaulFertser: this means that power key is not sending the same keycode as gta02. I should not have to change E configuration like for aux Jun 16 16:10:33 rtp: can you tell me the keycode pwr button sends on gta01 now? (from xev) Jun 16 16:11:53 rtp: here it's keycode 124 (keysym 0xff62, Execute) Jun 16 16:13:48 PaulFertser: E is grabing the key. don't have the keycode /o\ Jun 16 16:13:48 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r3ac081830d66 10/shr-settings: [launcher] add "GUI loaded in ... sec" message in log Jun 16 16:14:46 rtp: then do /etc/init.d/nodm stop; X &>/dev/null &; DISPLAY=:0 xev ? Jun 16 16:14:58 PaulFertser: keycode 124 (keysym 0xff62, Execute) Jun 16 16:15:00 tracfeed: Ticket #520 (Gta01 unstable kernel image broken) created Jun 16 16:15:10 PaulFertser: the 2d map web interface is bad. you cannot go to a location, and see all the cells from an operator Jun 16 16:15:22 PaulFertser: you ahve to enter every data to see where is one cell Jun 16 16:15:31 PaulFertser: I recommend using G. earth Jun 16 16:15:38 onen|openBmap: how dare you! Jun 16 16:15:53 PaulFertser: it does not use JS :P Jun 16 16:16:30 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r73be96dfb435 10/shr-settings: [launcher] fix icon on close button Jun 16 16:16:43 onen|openBmap: it's proprietary Jun 16 16:16:52 Obviously Jun 16 16:16:58 :( Jun 16 16:17:14 :( shit, i can't even see my "contribution". A bit discouraging. Jun 16 16:28:45 PaulFertser: without g. earth, yep at the moment it is pretty bad to see it. But the website interface is not supposed to stay this way ;-) Jun 16 16:29:08 opkg install xchat gets me TWO icons :-/ Jun 16 16:30:33 DocMobilizer: Sometimes that happens from it being in two displayed groups Jun 16 16:30:34 PaulFertser: I have to ask Nick to modify it, but I cannot tell when I will have time for this... Jun 16 16:30:41 Not necessarily two .desktop files Jun 16 16:30:51 s/I will/he will/ Jun 16 16:30:53 onen|openBmap meant: PaulFertser: I have to ask Nick to modify it, but I cannot tell when he will have time for this... Jun 16 16:31:15 kbd mgmt is borked. kbd flashs up on switching screens, but vanishes e.g on terminal Jun 16 16:32:51 pidgin keeps kbd on switching its screen, but not on switching tab Jun 16 16:34:42 now kbd stayed alive when switching pidgin->terminal, but vanished when back to pidgin. ARRRRGH Jun 16 16:34:58 onen|openBmap: nah, it's ok. I'm just surprised you put some work into proprietary stuff first :-/ Jun 16 16:35:41 PaulFertser: I don't. but marble is not quite there yet. And beside, Nick took care of this, not me :-P Jun 16 16:36:28 k, back to xchat - tear off the blister ;-) Jun 16 16:38:26 hear hear! "running xchat as root is stupid..." Jun 16 16:38:54 PaulFertser: marble is getting kml support. last version I tried, nothing was showing up. probably it does not support "network link" kml :-( Jun 16 16:39:29 onen|openBmap: i prefer getting no functionality than getting it with proprietary programs most of the time. Jun 16 16:39:41 PaulFertser: I may try to contact marble dude, to see if I do sth wrong... Jun 16 16:40:03 PaulFertser: rms, gets out of the body of Paul! Jun 16 16:40:09 onen|openBmap: in fact don't take me too seriously, i'm insane. Do whatever you consider to be right. Jun 16 16:40:34 PaulFertser: insace, maybe, but the root of the first patch to my app ;-) Jun 16 16:40:36 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r698fedf32bcf 10/shr-settings: [launcher] set elementary finger size to 70. This should fix layout breakage with new EFLSRC rev. Jun 16 16:40:42 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rdb7c7579d61f 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_splash.py: [splash] fit hoversel on screen Jun 16 16:47:02 heyho Jun 16 16:51:36 quite amazing nobody cares to even preconfig a half way sane charsize for xchat. Not to mention the fubar config dialogs so you impossibly can fix that while ot Jun 16 16:52:38 Ainulindale: great, you have published all the fsoshrudcon presentations, thank you! Jun 16 16:54:33 ooh jeeeez, noone knowing xchat prior to starting it on fr will EVER care to give it a second chance Jun 16 16:54:47 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r623e88b5f1b0 10/shr-settings: [launcher] write in log, when stopUpdate fails Jun 16 16:56:26 whar a disappointing discouraging experience Jun 16 16:57:09 DocMobilizer, it used to be more usefol with other gtk themes :P Jun 16 16:59:04 the col for nicks using 2/3 of screen. right 1/3 shows a cut off text truncated to first 6 char each line Jun 16 17:05:53 anyway, xchat is the best irc client for neo now Jun 16 17:05:58 (after configuring) Jun 16 17:06:31 and removing join/left/quit messages killer feature Jun 16 17:07:04 max_posedon: how to configure, with 3lines written over each other in config dialog? Jun 16 17:07:38 DocScrutinizer: i'm fixing now segfaults. my thoughts were good ;) Jun 16 17:08:08 DocScrutinizer, vim! Jun 16 17:08:21 I'm not even able to set fontsize to something less than tenth-of-screen/char Jun 16 17:08:26 ok, I just configured via ssh -X Jun 16 17:08:58 aaah yes. tell me how to do this when sitting in my pub Jun 16 17:09:25 FR isn't the coprocessor of my PC Jun 16 17:09:35 ;-) Jun 16 17:09:39 you still can use vim) Jun 16 17:10:09 btw, where the old X where we can use virtual desktop much bigger than hardware Jun 16 17:10:37 yeeha, this very second it seems GPRS borked Jun 16 17:11:08 doc, exit xchat, edit the config file and set the font, servers, etc, restart xchat. Jun 16 17:11:18 max_posedon: (virtual desktop size) Gooooood point Jun 16 17:11:51 I'm not sure that current X support it Jun 16 17:11:54 text_font = Monospace 3 Jun 16 17:12:19 anyway climbing my roof now to swap LNB. hope to see you soon fellas Jun 16 17:13:02 Blu3, monospace bad Jun 16 17:13:18 I suggest Dejavu Sans 3 Jun 16 17:23:10 mickey|cleaning: do you know who I should contact for the pyneo pres? Jun 16 17:25:07 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r20a4aa26253b 10/shr_settings_modules/ (8 files): Disconnect from dbus signals on stopUpdate. Should fix segfaults. This is needed since launcher deletes modules on closing windows. Jun 16 17:27:57 mrmoku: please rebuild shr-settings. it has really important bugfixes now Jun 16 17:28:09 hmm, still xchat window cut at right end of screen Jun 16 17:28:17 dos1, seen that yeah Jun 16 17:28:28 was waiting for you to finish comitting ;) Jun 16 17:29:08 PaulFertser: concentrating on stability seemed to be a good idea. serial port is pretty unusable with cpufreq after suspend: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2295 Jun 16 17:30:13 no wonder, considering all this mangling of clock dividers for uarts etc pp Jun 16 17:30:39 a veritable nightmare Jun 16 17:31:39 DocScrutinizer: what I don't understand is when the clock frequency actually gets changed. This happens even if I don't enable the powersave governor Jun 16 17:32:22 lindi-: doesn't it have debug output? Do you enable it? Jun 16 17:32:46 lindi-: I never had a look at any actual implementation. Only speaking from theory here Jun 16 17:33:54 grrr, the screws of the LNB and dish fixation are stained beyond all usability Jun 16 17:34:24 seems I really need to figure out a way to actually climb the roof Jun 16 17:34:56 with my toolbox ;-D Jun 16 17:39:13 DocScrutinizer: sat tv addiction? Jun 16 17:44:25 Nobody here knows how I could contact the guys from pyneo who were at F9N? Jun 16 17:45:55 Ainulindale: i know of course Jun 16 17:46:30 Ainulindale: Johannes Schauer Jun 16 17:47:43 Ainulindale: M. Dietrich Jun 16 17:47:45 misc: pour Weird Jun 16 17:47:56 There are some guys playing the trumpet at the bottom of my building Jun 16 17:48:03 (It's not bad) Jun 16 17:50:18 tracfeed: Ticket #521 (close active call window does not terminate the call) created Jun 16 17:52:19 tracfeed: Ticket #522 (quit button in shr-settings is HUGE!) created Jun 16 17:58:10 thanks a lot PaulFertser Jun 16 17:59:35 stefan_schmidt !! Jun 16 17:59:40 Do you have a minute? :-p Jun 16 18:01:54 hi Ainulindale Jun 16 18:01:55 tracfeed: Ticket #522 (quit button in shr-settings is HUGE!) closed Jun 16 18:01:58 Ainulindale: go ahead Jun 16 18:04:21 tracfeed: Ticket #516 (settings-phone - select GSM operators doesn't check error) closed Jun 16 18:05:41 tracfeed: Ticket #511 (Position of Delete button) updated Jun 16 18:09:46 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * rdcbd1a0bdce1 10/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/src/view/message-show-view.c: libframeworkd-phonegui-efl: swap "Call" and "Delete" buttons in message view. Closes SHR #511 Jun 16 18:12:24 tracfeed: Ticket #511 (Position of Delete button) closed Jun 16 18:18:43 re Jun 16 18:18:53 somebody can help me out in git? Jun 16 18:19:30 depending what you want yes/no Jun 16 18:20:54 I have locale modified files, like paroli.cfg, which is version controlled. I want to disable it locally. So when I change it, dont list in commit queue Jun 16 18:20:54 bzzbot: still mad at me? Jun 16 18:21:00 adding to .gitignore does not help Jun 16 18:21:30 (adding files which are not version controlled to .gitignore works fine. I want the same for files which was already added to git) Jun 16 18:24:48 Ainulindale: why navit depends on speech-dispatcher? Jun 16 18:25:16 Ainulindale: even default config doesn't use speech-dispatcher, and commented example in config uses flite dirrectly. Jun 16 18:25:37 Ainulindale: and even with latest changes (build without pulseaudio etc), speech-dispatcher still causes problems Jun 16 18:26:09 Ainulindale: using just espeak in navit is ok i think... Jun 16 18:29:01 Jun 16 18:29:34 dos1: I was intend to remove it Jun 16 18:29:40 stefan_schmidt: sorry was caught up with something Jun 16 18:35:07 khiraly1: i think git rm --cached is what you want Jun 16 18:36:56 khiraly1: i don't know the answer but i'd do "git stash" then commit then "git stash pop" Jun 16 18:37:33 I dont want to commit my changes to the remote server. Its sure Jun 16 18:38:23 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r3476ad1c49af 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_gpsinfo.py: [GpsInfo] fix loading Jun 16 18:55:53 Anyone know what takes openbmap.org that long to start processing the data? DOes it receive more data than it's able to process..Twitter shows lates process started 19 hours ago... Jun 16 18:58:15 it's manual Jun 16 18:58:59 mickey|cleaning: we're waiting for you Jun 16 18:59:30 dialling... Jun 16 19:19:59 anyone know what's this: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/3be42e4a80bfc5d3ab975dbb4f000e30.png (some icons on illume 'desktop' etc) Jun 16 19:20:26 Ainulindale: what, the processing of data is manual!? Jun 16 19:22:20 dos1: using just aplay to access audiocard is ok in navit. Anyway I would consider to use parameter "-D " Jun 16 19:23:13 DocScrutinizer: well. i'm using it on my neo (err, WAS using, as my GPS isn't working now), cause it just works ;) Jun 16 19:23:58 dos1: err, not sure if I get you right Jun 16 19:24:06 rhkfin: manually triggered Jun 16 19:24:54 DocScrutinizer: you are the person for discuting good defaults, as i don't know alsa enough ;) Jun 16 19:25:20 dos1: ack Jun 16 19:25:36 Ainulindale: oh no! Jun 16 19:26:16 rhkfin: AFAIR it was triggered automatically every ten minutes, but now it's temporialy disabled Jun 16 19:26:42 dos1: :( Jun 16 19:43:19 dos1: data="alsactl store -f temp; alsactl restore -f stereoout.state; espeak '%s' -v pl --stdout | aplay - ; alsactl restore -f temp" Jun 16 19:44:33 err... Jun 16 19:45:13 Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/linux-libc-headers-dev_2.6.23-r4_armv4t.ipk Jun 16 19:45:13 opkg: fork failed Jun 16 19:45:13 Segmentation fault Jun 16 19:45:21 dos1: aplay -D -; Jun 16 19:45:25 [shr-unstable] Jun 16 19:45:46 DocScrutinizer: race conditions! Jun 16 19:46:04 sure, unevitable. Always Jun 16 19:46:40 lindi-: until Paul and I finish ACI plus audio-arbiter Jun 16 19:47:16 lindi-: then you still get race conditions, just their results are different ;-D Jun 16 19:50:49 lindi-: for now we got a permanent racecondition as all apps rely on states without any clue if those states are really restored for them or not Jun 16 20:00:22 what we need is an intermediate process that manages the audio states. with soft/hard level requests on things. Jun 16 20:01:28 Blu3: won't a library, lock file and state file do? Jun 16 20:01:39 no Jun 16 20:01:52 something needs to be aware of how to manage conflicting states Jun 16 20:01:59 can't the library do it? Jun 16 20:02:10 that's pauls arbiter Jun 16 20:02:30 the arbiter is a lib called via alsa hooks Jun 16 20:03:42 the example given that you're listening to music and a call comes in. mp3 music gets muted or off. phone values are set. in the middle of a phone call, an SMS arrives. the sms audio has a lower priority than the phone call so it's annunciator is kept at a low volume. call ends, volumes are restored for music Jun 16 20:03:48 btw simple conflicts are managed by alsa's hook scheme lock option, without any problems Jun 16 20:04:04 Blu3: i'm only arguing library with state on disk vs. separate process with state in RAM Jun 16 20:04:18 even by simple opening a device exclusively Jun 16 20:04:57 i still want to hear announcement of an incoming sms while i'm on a phone call, and i need to be able to turn on speaker phone without losing state for mp3s and not enabling full volume for sms Jun 16 20:07:02 Blu3: all possible with alsa generic tools, without any problems Jun 16 20:07:13 good Jun 16 20:14:41 max_posedon: add some swap and retry Jun 16 20:15:02 dos1, swap, on my neo, for opkg?! Jun 16 20:15:14 max_posedon: yep. Jun 16 20:15:41 max_posedon: opkg is crap. i think everybody agrees on that ;) Jun 16 20:21:29 ha, dd also doesn't work as I expected Jun 16 20:21:33 and coreutils haven't ddd Jun 16 20:21:35 *dd Jun 16 20:22:44 oh... I'm wrong it has, nice Jun 16 20:23:08 * max_posedon suggest every busybox hater install coreutils Jun 16 20:23:54 i did that already since I needed syslog Jun 16 20:27:39 mrmoku: you created coreutils etc? Jun 16 20:29:46 DocScrutinizer, yes, I just installed it Jun 16 20:30:01 yeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaa Jun 16 20:30:02 most of busybox stuff was updated Jun 16 20:33:12 max_posedon: bash? Jun 16 20:33:35 bash is separate package Jun 16 20:33:54 don't forget edit /etc/passwd after installing Jun 16 20:34:15 yup Jun 16 20:34:39 any special tweaks to install coreutils Jun 16 20:35:51 ? Jun 16 20:36:02 no) Jun 16 20:36:10 :-) Jun 16 20:38:10 well I doubt it will work without -force-FOO. Anyway, give it a shot right now Jun 16 20:39:06 it works as is) Jun 16 20:39:23 after installing it will start update-alternative Jun 16 20:46:23 update-alternatives rules! :-)) Jun 16 20:48:17 also you might want grep/hostname and few others Jun 16 20:48:41 yau, sure Jun 16 20:48:55 less!!! Jun 16 21:05:24 max_posedon: how to get *a few others*? :-> Jun 16 21:05:38 opkg install Jun 16 21:05:48 haha Jun 16 21:05:49 you just need to known their names Jun 16 21:05:57 exactly Jun 16 21:06:09 ok, let's try less Jun 16 21:06:41 cat list | grep less says that you will have success Jun 16 21:08:28 looks alike :-)) Jun 16 21:09:03 alias u='opkg install' Jun 16 21:09:08 u less Jun 16 21:11:54 mrmoku: I O U a beer :-))) Jun 16 21:14:34 max_posedon: mille gracie for the pointers Jun 16 21:15:22 hi Jun 16 21:20:15 hi Jun 16 21:20:57 DocMobilizer1, btw, did you configured xchat properly? Jun 16 21:21:21 muhaha, xchat changed my pidgin nick Jun 16 21:21:30 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r7b3ffac8eb03 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_gpsinfo.py: [GpsInfo] fix icon on Quit button Jun 16 21:21:41 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r8d1c8219b388 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_gps.py: [GPS] remove unneeded imports and stopUpdate Jun 16 21:22:07 max_posedon: not yet. maybe will do while getting a beer in my pub now. To celebrate bash and coreutils Jun 16 21:23:04 max_posedon: major problem is window of xchat exceeds screen boundary at right side :-/ Jun 16 21:23:17 no idea how to config this correctly Jun 16 21:23:27 remove menubar Jun 16 21:23:35 ahhh Jun 16 21:23:38 nice Jun 16 21:23:43 it useless and fixes it Jun 16 21:23:50 how to access menus then? Jun 16 21:23:57 why you need? Jun 16 21:24:04 hmmm Jun 16 21:24:13 never know ;-) Jun 16 21:24:24 prolly not Jun 16 21:24:31 when shr will switch to xorg, you will have right-button-emulation Jun 16 21:24:43 woooow Jun 16 21:24:59 can't wait to see Jun 16 21:25:07 honestly Jun 16 21:25:53 anyway. on my way for beer :-> Jun 16 21:27:09 dos1|neo: ipk to update shr-settings? Jun 16 21:29:31 DocMobilizer1: hmm? Jun 16 21:31:53 heard you did a lot of fixes/improvements. Like to opkg install shr-settings-new Jun 16 21:32:44 toaster told me I need to git pul, or wait for ipkg Jun 16 21:33:43 DocScrutinizer: oh. opkg upgrade :P Jun 16 21:33:56 after bugging mrmoku to build it Jun 16 21:35:23 opkg upgrade segfault right now.. Jun 16 21:35:39 (on shr unstable) Jun 16 21:36:43 cyberalex, known bug Jun 16 21:36:51 you need swap Jun 16 21:37:49 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r4fe517d2482f 10/shr_settings_modules/ (shr_profile.py shr_splash.py): [profile][splash] a little gettext fix Jun 16 21:38:09 cyberalex, max_posedon: or patience in retrying Jun 16 21:38:20 doesn't helps Jun 16 21:38:23 I tried 3 times Jun 16 21:38:38 and its a pita that 3 times opkg redownloaded all Jun 16 21:38:47 cyberalex: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop; /etc/init.d/frameworkd stop; opkg upgrade Jun 16 21:38:49 i retryed 3 times and it stops at the same packet.. Jun 16 21:38:57 ok Jun 16 21:39:03 it should also help Jun 16 21:39:10 ofc from ssh session Jun 16 21:39:44 dos1|neo, still won't help Jun 16 21:39:57 opkg use ~70Mb swap in one moment Jun 16 21:40:05 (for me) Jun 16 21:40:21 you can't free so much additional ram with stopping anything Jun 16 21:40:49 max_posedon: well, it always worked for me Jun 16 21:41:08 you know, I face this problem onky hour ago) Jun 16 21:41:58 shr-setting's quit button funny now0 Jun 16 21:41:59 ) Jun 16 21:42:34 max_posedon: fixed ;) Jun 16 21:42:57 as well as segfaults and general layout breakage Jun 16 21:43:15 stopping all opkg segfaults at the same point... Jun 16 21:43:15 but package is not generated yet Jun 16 21:43:16 ok, I see many bugs, but you mightbe fixed them already) Jun 16 21:43:28 cyberalex, add swap Jun 16 21:46:08 on the sd card? Jun 16 21:47:30 for example Jun 16 21:52:03 DocScrutinizer: should neo speaker be on all tge time? Jun 16 21:52:11 s/tge/the/ Jun 16 21:52:12 dos1|neo meant: DocScrutinizer: should neo speaker be on all the time? Jun 16 21:54:19 i can hear really silent noise when really near ear. how about power consumption? Jun 16 21:56:33 dos1|neo: should shut down auto Jun 16 21:58:03 dos1|neo: rsp correct way was every app loads correct state, audioout, then restore off.state Jun 16 21:59:20 DocMobilizer1: so it's not bug, just missing feature ATM? Jun 16 22:00:23 broonie told me alsa cares about powerdown amp as soon as app closes audio dev Jun 16 22:01:03 dunno if its true and tested Jun 16 22:01:04 DocMobilizer1: then bug... Jun 16 22:01:45 either alsa or some apbug, yes Jun 16 22:02:39 i'll check on fresh image Jun 16 22:02:54 or bug in statefile DAPM settings Jun 16 22:04:38 I still can't check current date on neo) Jun 16 22:04:42 8753 power mgmt is a real tricky kinky thing in driver Jun 16 22:04:55 dos1|neo, why don't you want add at least simple form similar to time? Jun 16 22:05:12 max_posedon: form? Jun 16 22:05:14 +1 Jun 16 22:05:35 ok, in other words Jun 16 22:05:44 just display date in settings Jun 16 22:05:49 similar way as time Jun 16 22:05:56 max_posedon: that's Clock widget. you can't even feed it with your data Jun 16 22:06:14 max_posedon: it could be now just plain label Jun 16 22:06:24 it will be nice! Jun 16 22:06:41 even if it will just contain date output Jun 16 22:07:29 plus day of week please Jun 16 22:07:52 so doing it now Jun 16 22:08:01 and then going to sleep ;) Jun 16 22:09:02 dos1|neo: please don't forget to push-git Jun 16 22:09:34 so mrmoku|away will include to build Jun 16 22:11:56 looks like today is 2nd great day for neo apart. Jun 16 22:12:03 DocMobilizer1: of course Jun 16 22:14:00 max_posedon: huh? Jun 16 22:14:35 I'm very lucky today to have coreutils+may be fixed "date in settings" Jun 16 22:14:56 and yesterday I was amazed by lindi- and PaulFertser discussion Jun 16 22:15:11 (neo can work using only 50mA with gsm-on) Jun 16 22:15:32 :-( missed that Jun 16 22:16:19 it was at night, lindi- playing with cpufreq patches(clock neo to 100Mhz) and poweroffing useless stuff Jun 16 22:16:25 50mA is real! Jun 16 22:16:49 great Jun 16 22:17:19 I haven't tested it myself, but I just see how much improvements done this days. Jun 16 22:17:33 only get 100 here Jun 16 22:17:53 I think you have 400Mhz Jun 16 22:17:53 without cpufreq Jun 16 22:18:03 sure Jun 16 22:18:05 and may be screen still poweron Jun 16 22:18:27 I'm not sure what he did... Jun 16 22:18:54 anyway, I want take a shower now... Jun 16 22:19:10 enjoy Jun 16 22:21:47 done Jun 16 22:21:52 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r76518f432cf4 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): [Date] add new, very simple module (stub for callendar) Jun 16 22:22:23 dos1|neo: u r incredible Jun 16 22:22:50 DocMobilizer1: "Monday, 1 January 2009" format Jun 16 22:22:58 very nice Jun 16 22:23:04 :) Jun 16 22:24:28 another step away from gnuphone :-) Jun 16 22:27:04 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * re2e14ca05cbd 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_date.py: [date] increase size of font a bit Jun 16 22:27:56 mrmoku|away: rebuild! :P Jun 16 22:28:41 dos1|neo: wget + cp? mind tossing cmdline? Jun 16 22:28:59 Ainulindale: when will you modify shr-settings recipe to have configs included? Jun 16 22:29:11 DocMobilizer1: hmm? Jun 16 22:29:56 can't wait ;-) Jun 16 22:30:30 put shr-settings to /usr/bin/ Jun 16 22:30:37 neo has opkg and wget Jun 16 22:31:23 and shr_settings_modules/shr_*.py in /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/shr_settings_modules/ Jun 16 22:31:45 and i even have bash now Jun 16 22:31:51 you're mostly interested in shr_date.py ;) Jun 16 22:32:46 don't have any of these here Jun 16 22:32:49 download just by http://git.shr-project.org/ Jun 16 22:32:58 midori sucks Jun 16 22:35:57 ok, going to sleep now Jun 16 22:36:03 as said before Jun 16 22:36:11 good night Jun 16 22:36:18 aah, the man with unspellable name entered Jun 16 22:37:08 night Jun 16 22:37:57 max_posedon: if you featured out how to wget, let me know Jun 16 22:39:17 <[Rui]> DocMobilizer1: who, me? :D Jun 16 22:40:05 yes Jun 16 22:41:32 [Rui]: actually i found the brackets are rarher simple on FR Jun 16 22:42:49 on laptop tho i am reluctant to try and type ur nick Jun 16 22:45:16 <[Rui]> [Rui]: bah! :) Jun 16 22:45:27 <[Rui]> anyway, I've yet to make a successful boot with testing5 Jun 16 22:45:37 <[Rui]> going on the third Jun 16 22:46:20 wtf is t5? Jun 16 22:46:38 <[Rui]> DocMobilizer1: for Om2009 ? Jun 16 22:47:10 aaah Jun 16 22:47:40 <[Rui]> and it does seem to boot a LOOOOOT slower Jun 16 22:49:22 cirst boot always deadslow = init Jun 16 22:49:39 <[Rui]> DocMobilizer1: yeah, but... 2nd and 3rd too? Jun 16 22:49:51 <[Rui]> it's been "loading" for a long time too :( Jun 16 22:50:14 <[Rui]> let's see if I can ssh into it Jun 16 22:50:33 <[Rui]> erms... doesn't even set up the interface Jun 16 22:51:25 <[Rui]> problems with gsm (doesn't even ask for pim) Jun 16 22:51:46 <[Rui]> can't change paroli theme (and why is %&"#&%"# paroli the default theme still?) Jun 16 22:53:01 <[Rui]> what I need to flash is just fso-*jffs2 and uImage, right? Jun 16 22:53:06 <[Rui]> I'm already with Qi Jun 16 22:53:19 <[Rui]> anyway, flashing rootfs again Jun 16 22:53:46 usually yes Jun 16 22:55:02 <[Rui]> dam, and the daily from a few days ago was so damn fine :( Jun 16 23:01:01 yeah rationale of unstable/testing/stable seems not thoroughly adopted Jun 16 23:07:34 and i was about to flash Jun 16 23:07:38 t5 Jun 16 23:10:08 <[Rui]> fredrin: I might just have been extremely unlucky... I'm flashing again Jun 16 23:10:55 i grabbed the unstable image though..., since i thought that t5 should be equal to todays or yesterdays unstable Jun 16 23:11:05 maybe not Jun 16 23:12:11 <[Rui]> fredrin: well, flashin's over... wait a few minutes if you will... Jun 16 23:12:36 k Jun 16 23:12:46 the download is not done yet Jun 16 23:13:28 * fredrin looks forward to get back home to Norway on friday, stable and fast internet, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Jun 16 23:13:49 and normal gsm networks that have correct time Jun 16 23:14:38 sissi Jun 16 23:16:44 i just considered flashing a uSD img on the FR via GPRS ;-] Jun 16 23:19:02 <[Rui]> fredrin: good news... something must've gone wrong with the previous flashing. seems ok now... Jun 16 23:19:14 <[Rui]> let's see after the necessary second boot Jun 16 23:19:28 DocMobilizer1: loco Jun 16 23:20:31 MadDocMobilizer ;o) Jun 16 23:23:35 DocMobilizer1: and then chroot into the new image :) Jun 16 23:26:40 hehe, kexec even Jun 16 23:28:10 me wonders whether to patch kexec to keep uptime Jun 16 23:42:41 <[Rui]> sleep Jun 16 23:44:26 DocMobilizer1: didn't someone work on kexec for the Neo kernel? Jun 17 00:00:09 why does it take so long time to flash into nand? Jun 17 00:10:07 * fredrin takes a cigg Jun 17 00:34:32 fredrin: kexec should work AFAIK Jun 17 00:35:05 fredrin: time dfu-util takes is notorious and a PITA. nobody knows why Jun 17 00:36:36 maybe NAND write takes its time. But I really doubt that's the excuse for these >20min to flash a rootfs Jun 17 00:37:23 fredrin: btw, your cig and dfu-util should be finished by now ;-) Jun 17 00:37:49 yeah, it went well Jun 17 00:38:03 can you flash nand from uSD? Jun 17 00:38:14 just to see if it goes faster Jun 17 00:38:43 with dd or something Jun 17 00:38:47 sure, can be done. There's a howto on wiki about that Jun 17 00:39:15 uses nand-flash or sth like that, not dd Jun 17 00:39:46 maybe worth testing, to see if it goes faster Jun 17 00:40:04 it's supposed to be a lot faster Jun 17 00:40:09 hmm Jun 17 00:40:34 so the bottleneck is the usb 1.1 ? Jun 17 00:43:10 dunno, maybe. Though 1.1 still should be good for some MBit/s Jun 17 00:44:05 as stated before : "nobody knows why" Jun 17 00:44:41 somebody send me an sms to my argentina number :) +5491133716034 Jun 17 00:45:00 DocScrutinizer: mmmmkay Jun 17 00:45:12 mompl Jun 17 00:46:19 probably wont work Jun 17 00:48:18 Argentina? Go scare Werner then :-DD Jun 17 00:50:39 Werner? Jun 17 00:50:50 he lives in Buenos Aires? Jun 17 00:50:57 yup Jun 17 00:51:15 no SMS? Jun 17 00:51:25 nope Jun 17 00:51:40 it got a prepaid card Jun 17 00:51:43 bastard operators from hell >:-( Jun 17 00:51:50 Claro Jun 17 00:52:39 the operators down here know how to expliot and make trouble for their customers. Jun 17 00:53:22 but that's phonecompanies Jun 17 00:53:51 hmmm, my earpiece borked? Jun 17 00:54:02 DocScrutinizer: but Werner is from argentina or just living here? Jun 17 00:54:05 i don't know him Jun 17 00:54:27 from austria, living BUE Jun 17 00:54:33 ah Jun 17 00:55:09 a bit like me Jun 17 00:55:34 norwegian living in BUE for some time, but back to norwegian summer on friday :DDD Jun 17 00:56:15 aaaaah Jun 17 00:56:56 i've been some time in Uruguay too, Montevideo, it like the black hole in the world. lol but nice to relax Jun 17 00:57:24 fredrin: your FR is borked. Doesn't ring ;-P Jun 17 00:57:48 nope, could be paroli though..... Jun 17 00:57:49 humm Jun 17 00:57:59 let me try with skype just to check Jun 17 00:58:24 missed a call from good o'Germany ;-) Jun 17 00:59:20 :) it worked with skype too call myself Jun 17 01:00:08 well I got ringback Jun 17 01:00:20 the TRAC system should implement like sms bug reports :) Jun 17 01:00:25 strange Jun 17 01:01:35 hahahahahahaha Jun 17 01:01:38 bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzbzzzzz Jun 17 01:01:46 cool we got contact, yeah i know, buzzzzzzzz Jun 17 01:01:59 i'll organize a bøzzfest in norway when i get back Jun 17 01:02:09 but it worked Jun 17 01:02:21 nag Werner to fix it ;-D Jun 17 01:02:33 he knows? Jun 17 01:02:37 wpwrak: ping Jun 17 01:03:32 hehe, seems he's hiding :-P Jun 17 01:03:54 ~seen wpwrak Jun 17 01:03:54 wpwrak is currently on #openmoko-cdevel. Has said a total of 75 messages. Is idling for 12h 33m 2s, last said: 'bzzbot doesn't talk to strtangers, it seems'. Jun 17 01:04:33 prolly out for booze with Wolfgang ;-D Jun 17 01:04:49 :D Jun 17 01:05:09 buenos aires is a good place for that Jun 17 01:05:38 I guess that's the reasin for Werner to live there ;) Jun 17 01:05:50 hehe Jun 17 01:07:48 well, like to check that brick of shit called digital sat receiver Jun 17 01:08:46 picture is even much worse than DVBT, and I always thought DVB-T is unbearable inferior to plain old analog TV Jun 17 01:09:23 brave new world Jun 17 01:10:42 isn't that outrageous, instead of 3 good channels I got 1000 full of crap and atrefacts now Jun 17 01:10:53 that's what I call progress Jun 17 01:16:01 go bittorrent Jun 17 01:16:15 + rss **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 17 02:59:57 2009