**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 24 02:59:57 2009 Jun 24 04:20:38 morning Jun 24 04:21:53 morning Jun 24 05:42:06 BillK, no intone AUTOREV is not building Jun 24 05:43:18 BillK, give me a minute to wake up... will set a fixed rev for intone then Jun 24 05:43:56 Ainulindale, thanks for syncing the build Jun 24 05:51:29 BillK, ok... make update and it should build Jun 24 06:30:19 24h hours again me thinks :P Jun 24 06:39:18 why? 8) Jun 24 06:41:26 Q-Master, because DocMobilizer disconnected ;) Jun 24 06:41:42 hehe... Jun 24 06:42:35 mrmoku: I've posted yesterday some errors from frameworkd.log. I suppose they're happen while on lfb-efl2 Jun 24 06:43:12 * mrmoku checks backlog... Jun 24 06:44:20 r@94.25.180.158: dos1: 2009.06.21 16:35:05.244 opimd ERROR SIM-Contacts-FSO: Could not request SIM phonebook Jun 24 06:44:24 this one? Jun 24 06:47:32 mrmoku: yep Jun 24 06:50:54 Q-Master, I saw a commit from dos1 last night that is supposed to fix that Jun 24 06:52:35 mrmoku: when will be update available in unstable? Jun 24 06:53:11 Q-Master, build is almost finished... less than 30min I would say Jun 24 06:54:12 mrmoku: ok. thnx. there were another one error while parsing rules. w8t a bit Jun 24 06:54:25 good morning CET time Jun 24 06:54:45 * fredrin skiped a day, could not sleep.... Jun 24 06:55:16 2009.06.21 16:36:13.822 oeventsd INFO Created new rule : While CallListContains(incoming) if ~(CallListContains(active)) then [RingToneAction(), CommandAction(xset -display localhost:0 s Jun 24 06:55:16 reset, {}), SetLed(gta02_aux_red, blink)] Jun 24 06:55:16 2009.06.21 16:36:14.24 dbus.connection ERROR Unable to set arguments ('ResourceAvailable', tion'>>) according to signature None: : Don't know how which D-Bus type to use to encode type "instancemethod" Jun 24 06:55:18 2009.06.21 16:36:14.93 oeventsd ERROR Error while calling function OccupyResource : Don't know how which D-Bus type to use to encode type "instancemethod" Jun 24 06:55:21 2009.06.21 16:36:14.104 oeventsd ERROR can't parse rule {'while': 'CallStatus()', 'filters': 'Or(HasAttr(status, "outgoing"), HasAttr(status, "active"))', 'actions': ['OccupyResource(CPU)' Jun 24 06:55:24 ]} : Don't know how which D-Bus type to use to encode type "instancemethod" Jun 24 06:55:32 * Blu3 chokes Jun 24 06:55:55 * Blu3 points at pastebin :> Jun 24 06:56:01 this should be fixed in HEAD Jun 24 06:56:38 and will hit the feed sooooooooooon Jun 24 06:57:22 ? Jun 24 06:57:46 Q-Master, have 15 minutes of patience and then update Jun 24 06:57:50 will tell you when :) Jun 24 06:58:36 mrmoku: I'm about the latest errors which I've posted right now. Are they also already fixed? 8) Jun 24 06:58:56 Q-Master, 08:56 < mickey|ICE1092> this should be fixed in HEAD Jun 24 06:59:16 mrmoku: ? Jun 24 06:59:26 * Q-Master don't understand Jun 24 06:59:51 as mickey|ICE1092 said... it is fixed in current frameworkd... and that will hit the feed in... hmm. 10min Jun 24 07:02:26 ahh Jun 24 07:02:31 * Q-Master is too dumb Jun 24 07:22:57 mrmoku: ? Jun 24 07:24:11 Q-Master: it hit the feed... 'opkg update; opkg upgrade' Jun 24 07:24:21 thnx Jun 24 07:24:28 hi all, back from another week of traveling Jun 24 07:25:12 I had to take my Nokia with me, as the Moko would sometimes register to GSM and sometimes frameworkd would hang... :-( Jun 24 07:25:20 spaetz: hey, already was frightened you fell into a big pot of nice swiss cheese ;) Jun 24 07:25:37 mrmoku: is it possible to include some additional nls modules to kernel? cp1251 and ibm866 plz Jun 24 07:26:29 Q-Master: probably... though our master of kernel config was not seen for some time... Jun 24 07:26:33 ~seen mwester Jun 24 07:26:33 mwester was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 13d 11h 35m 17s ago, saying: 'I have XP, SP3 - and SHR-unstable. works fine, tested last night for a while.'. Jun 24 07:26:39 mrmoku: hehe :) Jun 24 07:27:01 this summer's travel schedule is crazy. Jun 24 07:28:16 mrmoku: if you'll see him, ask plz Jun 24 07:28:45 Q-Master: you could also request that on om-kernel list Jun 24 07:29:10 though if he passes I will ask Jun 24 07:29:35 ok Jun 24 07:33:54 Q-Master: and again... take care Jun 24 07:33:58 opkg will segfault :( Jun 24 07:34:18 so either use the step-by-step script posted on ML or stop X or add swap Jun 24 07:34:46 mrmoku: you should be using upstream defconfig imho Jun 24 07:35:23 mrmoku: what happened with mwester o_O? Jun 24 07:35:28 PaulFertser: so would you add those modules? Jun 24 07:35:43 don't know what happens with mwester... maybe busy Jun 24 07:36:04 mrmoku: would you use upstream packaging defconfig without any tweaks to have consistent kernel configuration on all distros? ;) Jun 24 07:37:05 PaulFertser: I'm the wrong one to talk to.... though yes. Jun 24 07:37:20 mrmoku: who is? Jun 24 07:37:26 the right one Jun 24 07:38:09 PaulFertser: btw... we use that Jun 24 07:38:20 mrmoku: with tweaks iirc Jun 24 07:38:43 ahh...yeah inside linux-openmoko.inc Jun 24 07:38:56 though tweaks only for gta01 Jun 24 07:39:00 no gta02 tweaks Jun 24 07:39:02 mrmoku: any strong reasons for that? Jun 24 07:39:22 * mrmoku no idea about kernel Jun 24 07:39:51 mrmoku: can you do git blame while you're at it please? Jun 24 07:39:53 guess that linux-openmoko.inc is used by all OE based distros... and is there since a long time Jun 24 07:39:56 dunno Jun 24 07:40:16 * mrmoku fires git gui Jun 24 07:40:30 mrmoku: just "git blame linux-openmoko.inc" would be enough :) Jun 24 07:40:53 * mrmoku wants to promote the use of git gui and gitk... as they are soooo helpfull :P Jun 24 07:40:58 Q-Master: are you mounting usb mass storage or what? Jun 24 07:41:17 mrmoku: gitk i'd agree, git gui is hm... Unnecessary? ;) Jun 24 07:42:44 PaulFertser: well... how do you manually commit single lines? :P Jun 24 07:43:07 gta01 tweak was last touched from mickey|train on 14 Jul 08 Jun 24 07:45:41 mrmoku: only those two gta01 tweaks, nothing more comparing to upstream defconfig? Jun 24 07:46:00 nothing as far as I can see Jun 24 07:46:18 brb to diff the installed config with the one from the kernel repo Jun 24 07:46:21 mrmoku: do you mean that defconfig-oe is the same as upstream packaging diffconfig? Jun 24 07:47:32 PaulFertser: defconfig-oe gets copied from the source tree Jun 24 07:48:06 PaulFertser: see do_configure_prepend() in linux-openmoko-shr-devel_git.bb Jun 24 07:48:22 mrmoku: I see, good to know :) So i think those tweaks are unnecessary too. I'll check and remove those option from defconfig. Jun 24 07:48:55 ok, I will remove the tweaks then :) Jun 24 07:52:46 mrmoku: btw, in case you don't know about it (and in case you need it in some cases like hacking over ssh) there's a console utility to view git history: tig. Jun 24 07:53:13 PaulFertser: yeah, know that one Jun 24 07:53:21 have it installed on our git server :) Jun 24 07:59:50 Q-Master: so, what particular use-case for those NLS do you have in mind? Jun 24 08:03:11 PaulFertser: fatfs uSD mounting Jun 24 08:03:38 mrmoku: I'll add swap Jun 24 08:04:24 mrmoku: the latest defconfig already has those tweaks afaict Jun 24 08:06:22 Q-Master: are you sure cp1251 needed? I don't remember the details but i think windows stores "short" filenames in cp866 and "long" filenames in utf-8. Jun 24 08:06:44 PaulFertser: utf-8 is case sensitive Jun 24 08:06:57 PaulFertser: and anyway cp866 is needed. Jun 24 08:07:11 PaulFertser: I'd better add also koi8-r support Jun 24 08:09:25 Q-Master: so, those modules are needed to present file names to the user, right? In case you have a koi8-r console, you use iocharset=koi8-r. And codepage=866. If you use a utf-8 terminal you only need codepage=866, right? Jun 24 08:10:08 PaulFertser: iocharset=utf8 also Jun 24 08:10:29 PaulFertser: otherwise it'll be some sort of ISO Jun 24 08:10:58 Q-Master: isn't it the default? But ok. So it seems you need only cp866 module as utf-8 is already in and you don't plan to use koi8-r or cp1251 as console charset, do you? Jun 24 08:14:56 PaulFertser: what about samba or nfs? Jun 24 08:15:09 Q-Master: and in case you want to access your fr from koi8-r terminal you just ssh to fr, start screen, detach from it and then "LC_ALL=ru_RU.KOI8-R screen -r", screen will do the necessary utf8<->koi8-r translation (assuming you have utf8 by default on your fr). Jun 24 08:15:55 PaulFertser: nop. I don't need sucha thing. I'm using utf-8 everywhere Jun 24 08:16:08 Q-Master: you mean sometimes samba provides names in cp1251 and you need a kernel nls module to convert from it to utf-8? Jun 24 08:16:32 PaulFertser: yep Jun 24 08:16:36 Q-Master: ok Jun 24 08:36:14 hm. Jun 24 08:36:23 swapon is not working Jun 24 08:38:08 Q-Master: stopping x and frameworkd should be enough Jun 24 08:38:17 ok Jun 24 08:43:40 dos1: ARGGGGHH :( Jun 24 08:43:59 mrmoku: hmm? Jun 24 08:44:22 Traceback (most recent call last): Jun 24 08:44:24 File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/patterns/tasklet.py", line 191, in throw Jun 24 08:44:27 value = self.generator.throw(type, value, traceback) Jun 24 08:44:30 File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py", line 99, in init_all Jun 24 08:44:33 yield backend.load_entries() Jun 24 08:44:35 File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/patterns/tasklet.py", line 178, in send Jun 24 08:44:38 value = self.generator.send(value) Jun 24 08:44:40 File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_messages.py", line 128, in load_entries Jun 24 08:44:43 self.load_entries_from_db() Jun 24 08:44:46 File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_messages.py", line 135, in load_entries_from_db Jun 24 08:44:49 cur.execute('SELECT id, Source, Date, Direction, Title, Sender, TransmitLoc, Content, MessageRead, MessageSent, Processing FROM messages WHERE deleted=0') Jun 24 08:44:52 OperationalError: no such column: MessageRead Jun 24 08:44:55 (yes I know there is pastebin ;) Jun 24 08:45:18 mrmoku: rm /etc/freesmartphone/opim/sqlite-messages.db Jun 24 08:46:03 mrmoku: that only happens if you upgraded from version from 3 days ago :P Jun 24 08:46:39 dos1: bad thing... you should at lest handle such an exception... and not make frameworkd bail out ;) Jun 24 08:46:43 +a Jun 24 08:47:02 mrmoku: yep, adding to todo Jun 24 08:47:55 mickey|zzZZzz: having still problems to start fsousaged Jun 24 08:48:00 ERROR:common.c:297:fso_framework_createLogger: assertion failed: (FALSE) Jun 24 08:49:45 mrmoku: is it (after removing db file) working? Jun 24 08:50:22 dos1: or remove/upgrade db in config Jun 24 08:50:38 heh... almost all is updating Jun 24 08:50:38 Q-Master: config? Jun 24 08:50:42 remind me to tell onen that the 'upload data' (of openbmap client) popup locks the screen: can't do anything else when uploading.. Jun 24 08:51:00 dos1: postinst script Jun 24 08:51:06 or preinst Jun 24 08:51:23 Q-Master: you also could run some sqlite client on that file and add MessageRead, MessageSent and Processing fields (int) Jun 24 08:51:32 hehe Jun 24 08:51:42 I'd rather remove the db. 8) Jun 24 08:51:54 anyway there's nothing there Jun 24 08:51:54 Q-Master: depends on what you have in there ;) Jun 24 08:51:57 i don't think there are so many people affected by that bug :x Jun 24 08:52:08 8)) Jun 24 08:52:18 yep, i had ~170 messages, so i just added that columns ;D Jun 24 08:52:24 dos1: well... all SHR unstable users upgrading from some day ago :P Jun 24 08:52:50 * mrmoku waits for DocScrutinizer to spank dos1 really hard ;) Jun 24 08:53:06 mrmoku: from 3 days, if you rebuilded frameworkd right after my commit ;D Jun 24 08:55:35 dos1: do I need any changes in config files? I'm using efl2 now Jun 24 08:57:12 Zorkman: 6784 - wow! Jun 24 08:57:31 * soltys yawns Jun 24 08:57:45 ouch... Jun 24 08:57:55 * mrmoku wonders what Zorkman has done to fake that lot of cells ;) Jun 24 08:58:15 mrmoku: I agree, I'm sure he wrote a script to do it :) Jun 24 08:58:48 yeah Jun 24 09:04:19 * dos1 is scared by mrmoku waiting for DocScrutinizer Jun 24 09:04:25 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rc0d5a6f472ed 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: BackendManager: don't fail when registering or loading entries from some backend fails Jun 24 09:04:28 :D Jun 24 09:05:43 /quit Jun 24 09:05:59 hehe Jun 24 09:06:37 mrmoku: connman isn't upgraded Jun 24 09:06:40 mrmoku: it's still 0.19-r1 Jun 24 09:08:39 mrmoku: oh. it's not even 0.19. it's 0.15-r3 in feed Jun 24 09:09:18 dos1: shr-messages are segfaulting after closing the message view Jun 24 09:09:40 dos1: no any wrong debug out Jun 24 09:09:45 Q-Master: i don't think messages in phonegui-efl2 are supposed to work now :P Jun 24 09:10:12 dos1: it is working for me. anyway I refuse to store contacts in sim-card Jun 24 09:13:55 Q-Master: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commit;h=e03b339e05fbf46836c83d5595d4db77112b429d Jun 24 09:14:06 :D Jun 24 09:14:10 Q-Master: messages part phonegui-efl2 still talks directly to ogsmd, it isn't opimd aware Jun 24 09:15:35 Q-Master: opimd already supports storing messages directly to SQLite database, without SIM buffering Jun 24 09:15:58 Q-Master: and there is opimd-utils package with gui for that Jun 24 09:16:09 but patch for oeventsd is needed Jun 24 09:18:29 dos1, (connman) will check Jun 24 09:21:21 Q-Master: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/opimd/oeventsd/ Jun 24 09:39:55 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r8bb7d7023bff 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: don't fail on registering item, when some other was deleted previously Jun 24 09:50:58 * Q-Master didnt understood a bit again Jun 24 09:52:01 rhkfin: have you seen the openBmap stats page? :p Jun 24 09:55:54 Zorkman, you cheated... yeah, we saw that :P Jun 24 09:56:15 Zorkman: O_O Jun 24 09:57:03 ^_^ Jun 24 09:57:19 Zorkman, how much time did it take to write that 'invent some fictive cells' script? and how much do you want for it ;) Jun 24 09:57:25 didn't expect that many... was content with beating Ainulindale :) Jun 24 09:57:58 mrmoku: zero seconds and i want the world for it! Jun 24 09:58:16 :) Jun 24 09:58:32 but to be able to collect that many cells I had to drive my car untill it emitted smoke.... Jun 24 09:58:41 and I actually navigated it all with the FR :) Jun 24 09:58:47 Zorkman, wait until mid september Jun 24 09:58:58 * mrmoku is going on a big trip then ;) Jun 24 09:58:58 mrmoku: what are you planning? a big trip? Jun 24 09:59:03 :) Jun 24 09:59:27 i'm gonna sign my contract (work) tomorrow, so not much traveling for this one in the near future :)) Jun 24 09:59:27 and I might even consider to bring two SIMs with me... one for each direction ;) Jun 24 09:59:43 mrmoku: how many km's will you travel? Jun 24 09:59:56 to sweden Jun 24 09:59:57 and will you be able to code for shr and drive at the same time? :p Jun 24 10:00:16 * Zorkman packs his bags and prepares to steal all the cells in sweden from mrmoku :) Jun 24 10:00:17 my wife would kill me :x Jun 24 10:00:32 * mrmoku will go with a different provider then :P Jun 24 10:01:11 my gf was always nagging it took so many time to boot my Fr and install everything before departing, but when navit or tangogps worked well she finally saw some advantages of the FR :) Jun 24 10:01:22 *much time Jun 24 10:02:32 hmm... I was thinking about getting navit for the trip... good to know there is some way to make it do something usefull :) Jun 24 10:03:56 mrmoku: there sure is Jun 24 10:04:21 it only laggeda bit sometimes, but i guess that is because i used follow:"3" and follow="2" should have been better i think Jun 24 10:04:35 and you can always also load a gpx track in tangogps Jun 24 10:04:43 gutten morgen Jun 24 10:05:00 Zorkman: 6784 - wow!11:57 < rhkfin> Zorkman: 6784 - wow! Jun 24 10:05:28 Zorkman: oops.. But yes, I've seen it and I'm more than sure that you spent 5 days to write the script to generate you the data :) Jun 24 10:06:32 mrmoku: could you tell me in a glance what is new in the last unstable releases Jun 24 10:06:43 I did not flash for 2 weeks now Jun 24 10:07:45 nope, i'm not good at writing and driving at the same time Jun 24 10:07:45 but it sure is nice to see that the project can grow in a short time... when we get some more people and some of them travel... Jun 24 10:08:55 me neither, three weeks even i think Jun 24 10:09:45 mrmoku: do we still have the dbus bug for instance ? Jun 24 10:10:45 Zorkman: I doubt you ever left your house :) Jun 24 10:11:19 rhkfin: 10000$ and the script is yours :p Jun 24 10:12:09 Zorkman: sell it to onen, I'm sure he'd appreciate it :) Jun 24 10:12:41 mrmoku: do you know if lfb-efl0 is opimd aware? Jun 24 10:14:37 when opkg upgrading i get these errors: http://pastebin.com/m13d8c06d (python-misc and etk-theme-shr) Jun 24 10:14:50 should i go ahead or wait? Jun 24 10:28:54 ptitjes, opkg update; opkg -test upgrade and you'll see Jun 24 10:32:08 meh Jun 24 10:32:24 downloaded the 24/06 and will flash tonight Jun 24 10:32:45 mrmoku: just wanted to know if I must be warned about some bad behavior Jun 24 10:33:09 remember this is my one and only phone Jun 24 10:36:36 heh Jun 24 10:36:55 opimd-utils don't resolve the name from messagebook Jun 24 10:37:09 shr-messages does Jun 24 10:37:11 8) Jun 24 10:40:54 ptitjes, I just upgraded... can't tell you yet :) Jun 24 10:41:04 ptitjes, btw... how are you? mood better again? Jun 24 10:41:18 yeah Jun 24 10:41:26 had some rest at my GF's new house Jun 24 10:41:38 sounds like fund :P Jun 24 10:41:42 but still did not talk again with my boss so... Jun 24 10:41:44 GF *and* a new house Jun 24 10:41:50 :D Jun 24 10:42:12 they settled with some friends Jun 24 10:42:28 they are 4 housemates Jun 24 10:42:39 and their house is so great Jun 24 10:42:49 very more great than ours Jun 24 10:43:00 very big garden... :D Jun 24 10:44:25 does anyone know some equivalent for the Airport Express ? Jun 24 10:44:36 that could do TV too... Jun 24 10:46:00 ptitjes, something to get network over the power outlet? Jun 24 10:46:32 no. more a hardware streaming receiver Jun 24 10:46:44 ptitjes: PS3? 8) Jun 24 10:46:51 héhéhé Jun 24 10:47:00 a bit too expensive however :) Jun 24 10:47:06 hehe Jun 24 10:47:45 ptitjes, build one yourself :) Jun 24 10:48:00 I would do that if it was for my house Jun 24 10:48:05 but it is not :) Jun 24 10:48:19 and I would not like to have to do some hotline :D Jun 24 10:48:22 yeah... that would give you some kind of responsibility ;) Jun 24 10:49:20 DocScrutinizer: oh, that alsa documentation is so hardly understandable... No results yet but i'm not giving up yet. Jun 24 10:49:22 I can't believe one set up a patent for that: http://www.freshpatents.com/-dt20081225ptan20080320544.php Jun 24 10:49:26 that is crazy Jun 24 10:52:07 yeah... patents are evil - that's why I'm going to be a pirate ;) Jun 24 10:52:44 :D Jun 24 10:55:01 Hey there Jun 24 10:55:08 hello Ainulindale Jun 24 11:12:28 dbus seems to be broken with the last shr update Jun 24 11:13:06 is there a way of specifying a previous version of a package to be installed? Jun 24 11:16:34 don't think so, but if you can find an old version of the package, you can install it manually with --force-downgrade Jun 24 11:16:50 anyone awake who has GDB+debug board working? i'm in need of a hint.. Jun 24 11:17:22 Probably lindi- is still here Jun 24 11:17:30 (openocd seems happy - i can halt/resume/step etc, and the responses look sane. but when i try to connect gdb, i get "Malformed response to offset query, qOffsets") Jun 24 11:18:47 dns53: broken? seems that everything's working... Jun 24 11:19:22 after todays update? Jun 24 11:20:05 dns53: dbus or frameworkd? - OperationalError: no such column: MessageRead - after which framework dies Jun 24 11:20:18 dns53: I've updated today. Jun 24 11:20:30 i think it's dbus but it may be frameworkd Jun 24 11:20:38 BillK: that's easy. 8) Jun 24 11:20:46 run frameworkd from commandline Jun 24 11:21:34 error prints after dbus rubbish (which isnt a problem - its info aspparently) Jun 24 11:22:00 Q-Master: you also could run some sqlite client on that file and add MessageRead, MessageSent and Processing fields (int) Jun 24 11:22:28 mrmoku: rm /etc/freesmartphone/opim/sqlite-messages.db Jun 24 11:22:28 mrmoku: that only happens if you upgraded from version from 3 days ago :P Jun 24 11:22:45 2 different ways of fixing that Jun 24 11:23:08 so just delete that and restart? Jun 24 11:23:14 yep Jun 24 11:23:31 Weiss: just a wild guess but there was some "magic" version of ftdi lib that was required. Jun 24 11:23:34 dos1 is lazy 8) Jun 24 11:23:47 PaulFertser: *which* doc? ;-) Jun 24 11:23:57 DocScrutinizer: heh :) Jun 24 11:25:00 i was wondering where it stores the messages and contacts, now i know Jun 24 11:25:14 anyone got a script to import contacts by the way? Jun 24 11:26:58 * Q-Master has Jun 24 11:27:35 dns53: it imports contacts from vcard3.0 Jun 24 11:27:36 Weiss: also you might want to check if you really specify the right target to connect for gdb. Because quick googling doesn't reveal any errors like that on connecting to openocd. Jun 24 11:28:56 dns53: but you need to install python-vobject from somewhere Jun 24 11:34:35 Q-Master: tkx, framework is working now. Jun 24 11:35:44 BillK: 8) good Jun 24 11:36:39 also, does the battery icon show correct charge these days - or still 33% Jun 24 11:36:49 correct charge Jun 24 11:37:16 ok, gonna have to try and see why 2.6.29 wont work for me :( Jun 24 11:37:17 correct one Jun 24 11:41:09 Weiss: what version of arm-linux-gnueabi-gdb is it? Jun 24 11:41:21 Weiss: please capture the network traffic with tcpdump to file Jun 24 11:41:59 lindi-: oh, you know gdb protocol internals :O Jun 24 11:42:17 wow newest shr-unstable gives some funky error message Jun 24 11:43:03 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/7228a4770889ac9af19ee835a9997bcc.png Jun 24 11:44:20 PaulFertser: it's quite simple actually. just plaintext with optional checksums. (had to deal with it in a school project when we ported a toy os to ARM: http://iki.fi/lindi/buenos-arm/doc.pdf ) Jun 24 11:45:02 Zorkman: ping Jun 24 11:45:06 rhkfin: ping Jun 24 11:49:07 onen|openBmap: pong Jun 24 11:49:27 shr people: since latest upgrade i don't get the screen to enter my pin Jun 24 11:50:24 onen|openBmap: do you like the contribution? ;-) Jun 24 11:52:01 Zorkman, could you check if frameworkd actually started? Jun 24 11:53:12 wow, like xmas :-) new image Jun 24 11:54:15 mrmoku: at least in gta02. What's the word on eten-m800? Jun 24 11:54:41 mrmoku: i am sure that it is not. 8) Jun 24 11:54:47 DocScrutinizer, do we have anybody to test eten-m800? Jun 24 11:54:57 ;-) Jun 24 11:54:58 * onen|openBmap bows in front of Zorkman's contribution Jun 24 11:55:09 mrmoku: it wasn't started Jun 24 11:55:19 mrmoku: I might consider Jun 24 11:55:20 root@om-gta02 ~ $ /etc/init.d/frameworkd stop Jun 24 11:55:20 Stopping freesmartphone.org framework daemon: start-stop-daemon: warning: killing process 0: No such process Jun 24 11:55:21 * onen|openBmap looks a rhkfin to see if he bows too, or pick up his FR and bike Jun 24 11:55:55 13:22 < Q-Master> mrmoku: rm /etc/freesmartphone/opim/sqlite-messages.db Jun 24 11:56:00 Zorkman, ^^ Jun 24 11:56:08 yep Jun 24 11:56:19 and then it will start... and remember to spank dos1 really hard when he comes back ;) Jun 24 11:56:25 mrmoku: what do you want to test on m800? ( I have an x800 at hand) Jun 24 11:57:20 PaulFertser / lindi-: i have the '--host=i686-linux --target=arm-linux' configuration, compiled myself from the GDB 6.8 source Jun 24 11:57:45 mrmoku= rm: cannot remove '/etc/freesmartphone/opim/sqlite-messages.db': No such file or directory Jun 24 12:00:02 onen|openBmap: SHR Jun 24 12:00:42 onen|openBmap: got M800 Jun 24 12:00:44 but no recent image Jun 24 12:01:23 onen|openBmap: iirc there's still issues with modem on eten800, no? Jun 24 12:01:24 DocScrutinizer: I see. Want to help with the gsm part? Jun 24 12:01:31 DocScrutinizer: indeed Jun 24 12:01:52 well, let's see Jun 24 12:01:56 DocScrutinizer: I thought you wanted to test shr to help with this precise pb Jun 24 12:02:21 pb? Jun 24 12:02:33 aaah Jun 24 12:02:51 * DocScrutinizer off for coffee Jun 24 12:13:14 mrmoku: my /etc/freesmartphone/opim is empty, i restarted frameworkd and still i get no pin dialog Jun 24 12:13:40 You're doomed Jun 24 12:13:42 Dooooooomed Jun 24 12:13:58 lol :) Jun 24 12:14:08 seriously Ainulindale: known problem? (with a known fix?) Jun 24 12:14:23 No idea I'm currently in a meeting Jun 24 12:14:25 ah I see, it's a dbus problem oince again Jun 24 12:14:28 And you're currently on screen Jun 24 12:14:29 dbus is borked Jun 24 12:14:38 As my laptop is plugged in the projector Jun 24 12:15:22 :) np Ainulindale; not i high need of the FR atm Jun 24 12:16:51 DocScrutinizer: where is that approved by the doc splashscreen? Jun 24 12:19:06 Zorkman: no idea. Maybe Ainulindale preferred to remove it rather than follow my prerequisites to use the photo Jun 24 12:21:31 when he's out of his meeting i'll ask him to do it Jun 24 12:21:45 now that i'm higher on openbmap he has to listen to me! :) Jun 24 12:24:46 lindi-: done with Wireshark because it's a bit easier: http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/gdb-traffic.png (blue/red means send/receive). doesn't mean a lot to me.. Jun 24 12:25:15 lindi-: i was using gdb configured with --target=arm-linux before, now i've reconfigured as arm-linux-gnueabi, but no change Jun 24 12:26:14 Zorkman: the request was well-tought: "DocScrutinizer" instead of a copyright, "checked it" to give a meaning to the ugly face and title to the photo, "superimposed" to kinda watermark the picture and still keep it out of google search for "docScrutinizer" er even "joerg". I'm rather unhappy with the way this was ignored Jun 24 12:26:58 Guys, how are you creating those splashes? Jun 24 12:29:41 lindi-: i have libftdi version 0.15, gdb 6.8 and openocd r130 Jun 24 12:32:52 DocScrutinizer: so this means that we can find you on google images ? trying ... "docscrutinizer" on images ... right, here it is, 10th hit, "the central scrutinizer" Jun 24 12:34:00 Zorkman: so I think it's better Ainulindale took it off the repositories if he doesn't like to follow my request, rather than me forcing him to do so, and even sueing for copyright infringement Jun 24 12:35:04 DocScrutinizer: i completely understand Jun 24 12:35:20 don't see why he doesn't follow your request... seems fair enough... maybe he forgot? Jun 24 12:36:40 wpwrak: lol Jun 24 12:38:22 Weiss: bit busy now but i'll look into it when i get to my debug board Jun 24 12:51:42 onen|openBmap: pong Jun 24 12:52:16 onen|openBmap: I'm sure Zorkman stayed 5 days inside writing his script :) No, it's a great achievement. Jun 24 12:52:29 onen|openBmap: any guesses how many cells some country could have? Jun 24 13:00:21 rhkfin: no. our stats are much too basic, I know :-) Jun 24 13:00:53 onen|openBmap: ok :) Jun 24 13:02:29 Zorkman: rhkfin: some files are left to be processed. I don't know if there are still some from Zorkman. So maybe the stats are not final :-O Jun 24 13:06:06 onen|openBmap: There must also be some from me - Zorkman watch out! (I'll add at least... 10 new cells!!) Jun 24 13:06:27 * onen|openBmap hold Zorkman after he fainted Jun 24 13:08:17 :) Jun 24 13:12:57 onen|openBmap: i think there are still a few of mine to be processed (the day after I came back I went to holland for a short trip) Jun 24 13:13:12 Zorkman: I see Jun 24 13:13:27 come to think of it.. don't even know if i comitted them... Jun 24 13:13:42 i'll upload them and then finally delete my logs (now i'm sure they have not been lost :)) Jun 24 13:13:52 * onen|openBmap sees there are still people contributing to cellhunter. It means I have to improve my app further. Jun 24 13:14:25 Zorkman: wait for tomorrow Jun 24 13:14:42 Zorkman: there will be another run tonight for processing them Jun 24 13:15:34 too late, but it was only: "1 out of 1 logs uploaded" so no big stress on the server :) Jun 24 13:15:44 864 processed logs deleted Jun 24 13:30:41 * DocScrutinizer spanks Zorkman for not establishing a decent backup sheme for his important data Jun 24 13:34:49 * onen|openBmap read that cellhunter works on iphone client, and will work on palm pre client: I wish we would collaborate Jun 24 13:46:30 tracfeed: Ticket #530 (GPS doesn't work in SHR unstable) created Jun 24 14:00:32 I'm still unable to compile shr. gst-plugins-good_0.10.7 fails because it can't find esd.h Jun 24 14:01:10 Where is the right place to report such errors? Jun 24 14:04:01 onen, some error checking for dbus/frameworkd failures would be nice. Jun 24 14:04:24 I had OBM hang and crash quite a lot when I started it before frameworkd was up Jun 24 14:06:32 DeGT`: I seem to remember the gst-plugins bitbake needs some --without-esd parameter Jun 24 14:07:16 @DocScrutinizer, yes you are right, did somebody need the complete infos, i still have them ;) Jun 24 14:08:07 So what do I have to do to get it compiled? Jun 24 14:09:03 And why is that parameter not enabled by default if the lack of it prohibits the compilation? Jun 24 14:10:18 mrmoku: ^^ Jun 24 14:11:55 @DeGT' Jun 24 14:11:55 openembedded/recipes/gstreamer/gst-plugins-good_0.10.17.bb EXTRA_OECONF --disable-esd Jun 24 14:11:55 . ./setup-env Jun 24 14:11:55 bitbake -c configure gst-plugins-good Jun 24 14:11:55 bitbake -c rebuild gst-plugins-good Jun 24 14:11:56 make image Jun 24 14:12:25 Thanks. Jun 24 14:12:48 @spaetz, i nearly finished with implementation/testing of gsm_gad, how will i get it into the unstable build? Jun 24 14:14:13 * mrmoku tries to build gst-plugins-good... Jun 24 14:24:45 Frank2, DeGT: hmm... gst-plugins-good builds just fine for me? Jun 24 14:25:13 Well, it did'nt for me. Jun 24 14:25:38 It seems like --disable-esd made it work. Jun 24 14:25:43 @mrmoku, not tried since 3 days and will earliest try again after finished implementation, since i'm happy everything is working fine Jun 24 14:26:04 I haven't changed anything else. Jun 24 14:26:05 @mrmoku, did you have an esd.h in your system? Jun 24 14:26:23 what did you guys build? shr-lite-image? Jun 24 14:26:35 yes Jun 24 14:26:56 hmm Jun 24 14:27:46 That shouldn't matter, I have it: libesd0-dev: /usr/include/esd.h Jun 24 14:30:13 @degt, is this normal root directory or below your shr-dist? Jun 24 14:30:26 DeGT: err, I hope we don't need and not want *any* esd related stuff in SHR Jun 24 14:30:47 Frank1: good question. presumably by creating an OE recipe Jun 24 14:30:58 This is the result of apt-cache so it's the "normal" root. Jun 24 14:31:18 which can be included into the SHR feed Jun 24 14:31:32 @spaetz, there is already on, e-wm, the file is already there e_mod_gad_gsm.c, I just fixed everything inside Jun 24 14:31:54 so it's just a patch to an existing file? OK, then we can include it as a patch Jun 24 14:32:11 and make it apply conditionally if it's building the SHR distro Jun 24 14:32:17 Frank1, no, no esd.h on my buildhost Jun 24 14:32:39 DocScrutinizer: Then gst-plugins-good should be compiled without esd support by default ;-) Jun 24 14:32:47 and ask the e guys whether we shouldn't/couldn't push it upstream Jun 24 14:32:55 ~seen raster Jun 24 14:32:55 raster is currently on #openmoko-cdevel, last said: 'nite!'. Jun 24 14:33:03 ahh, cool Jun 24 14:33:14 @mrmoku, you did not have --disabled-esd already inside this? Jun 24 14:33:28 @spaetz, will ask him and see if they accept it Jun 24 14:33:45 ok, upstream is always the best solution :) Jun 24 14:33:48 DeGT: sure it should. It might check though if there's some esd-lib installed/config'd to decide whether it uses esd or not Jun 24 14:35:01 DeGT: that's why I frowned at libesd0-dev Jun 24 14:35:05 Frank1, no, no --disable-esd Jun 24 14:36:45 DeGT: it's quite common for configure to look for libs to decide if support for these libs will be used or not Jun 24 14:38:07 DocScrutinizer: Yes, but if it doesn't work there is still the possibility to disable it by hand. Jun 24 14:39:19 probably it works great for mrmoku who doesn't have a esd.h, but breaks for you as you have included some esd related stuff to your build Jun 24 14:39:42 I don't have esd included in my build. Jun 24 14:40:11 so what's this: ""[16:27] That shouldn't matter, I have it: libesd0-dev: /usr/include/esd.hSS Jun 24 14:40:31 s/SS/""/ Jun 24 14:40:32 DocScrutinizer meant: so what's this: ""[16:27] That shouldn't matter, I have it: libesd0-dev: /usr/include/esd.h"" Jun 24 14:40:33 It's just on my laptop and that shouldn't stop gst-plugins-good from compiling. Jun 24 14:41:04 @DocScruntinizer, i will try most likely tomorrow with a complete fresh checkout and we will see but i believe in current state of repo it does not work Jun 24 14:42:23 running apt-get install libesd0-dev on my laptop shouldn't affect the result of the compilation. Jun 24 14:43:32 lindi-: no problem Jun 24 14:43:57 DeGT: sure. but maybe there's a bug in configure or bb. maybe it looks up wrong path or sth. Honestly I have not slightest idea about bb, just guessing wildly Jun 24 14:44:44 seen this kinda quirks too often Jun 24 14:45:55 setting --disable-esd by default seems to be a good workaround. Jun 24 14:46:48 though admittedly usually other way round: some package not building cause of looking for a needed file to indicate a lib is there at wrong path, e.g. /usr/local instead of /usr Jun 24 14:47:22 DeGT: finding the bug seems to be good workaround, at least for upstream Jun 24 14:48:05 DeGT: for your own local build you're free to use any workaround you feel might fit Jun 24 14:49:47 I don't know where I should start searching for the bug. Jun 24 14:50:47 @degt, there should be a line telling you the name of the log where the error was reported, locking there would be a start, but i guess it is saying missing esd.h Jun 24 14:51:43 the log of configure should tell, or even the script itself Jun 24 14:51:48 Yes. That's what it said. Jun 24 14:53:25 as I told we don't want any esd related stuff, a grep to find "esd" seems a good approach Jun 24 15:40:56 gst-plugins-good assumes that esd is available because it checks for a program called esd-config. The important parts seem to be in tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gst-plugins-good-0.10.7-r5/gst-plugins-good-0.10.7/m4/esd.m4 Jun 24 15:41:13 I don't really understand such files. :-( Jun 24 15:42:07 perhaps it just checks for esd-config to see if it can/should compile with ESD support? Jun 24 15:42:19 i.e. if it's not there, you just miss out on esd support Jun 24 15:42:53 DocScrutinizer: hmmm I didn't remove anything I just didn't have any time to fix it Jun 24 15:43:08 So I guess dos removed it, and he'll be slapped Jun 24 15:43:28 slapped hard for other reasons too ;) Jun 24 15:43:58 Weiss: It seems to do some more complex things. Jun 24 15:44:09 Anyway I'm really swamped by my work these days Jun 24 15:44:17 Ainulindale: do you think you find any time to fix this rather annoying situation anytime soon? Jun 24 15:45:04 DocScrutinizer: Yes I will Jun 24 15:45:10 Tonight if I can Jun 24 15:45:19 Ainulindale: ok then Jun 24 15:45:22 I'm sorry but I'm a bit doing lots of stuff these days Jun 24 15:45:22 Weiss: I don't know why configure writes this: "cross compiling; assumed OK..." Jun 24 15:45:27 DocScrutinizer: to distract you from sueing Ainulindale... I built a eten image :) Jun 24 15:45:35 almost finished Jun 24 15:45:43 mrmoku: :-) Jun 24 15:45:48 DocScrutinizer: and I expect you to test it ;) Jun 24 15:46:26 ok, it hit the feed :) Jun 24 15:46:27 let's see if I can fifure out how to do that. At least with a new image it might be worth the effort Jun 24 15:47:03 DeGT: ah, hmm.. and ./configure --disable-esd doesn't actually disable it? (does ./configure --help suggest it should?) Jun 24 15:47:33 Weiss: it does I guess... but that option is not there in the recipe Jun 24 15:47:37 you have to do that manually Jun 24 15:48:33 Weiss: what mrmoku said. Jun 24 15:48:42 ah.. Jun 24 15:48:53 sorry, i didn't read the scrollback.. looks like everything i said was already said Jun 24 15:49:07 It there somebody, with whome I discuss linphone problems? Jun 24 15:49:25 I just don't know what something like no_esd=yes,[echo $ac_n "cross compiling; assumed OK... $ac_c"]) means. Jun 24 15:50:46 that's m4-speak. it's safer for your sanity not to try to understand.. Jun 24 15:53:55 Weiss: But that seems to be the only possibility to fix this bug. Jun 24 15:55:37 adding --disable-esd to the recipe isn't acceptable? Jun 24 15:55:54 mrmoku, when fso-abyss will become default in shr-unstable? Jun 24 15:56:09 DocScrutinizer said it wouldn't be. Jun 24 15:56:11 this days I did much tests, its really more stable than gsm0710muxd Jun 24 15:56:22 If I understood him correctly Jun 24 15:56:37 main benefit - rock stable gprs, even with big traffic Jun 24 15:56:59 Weiss: as it works for mrmoku there's obviously a bug in m4 or somewhere that needs to be fixed. Adding -disable-esd is a botch Jun 24 15:57:02 max_posedon_: guess very soon... I'm using it... dos1 is using it... all with lots of success :) Jun 24 15:57:31 still getting * Package etk-themes wants to install file /usr/share/etk/themes/default.edj Jun 24 15:57:31 But that file is already provided by package * etk-theme-shr Jun 24 15:57:46 mrmoku: safe to force-install it? Jun 24 15:57:54 mrmoku: I'm using it Jun 24 15:58:14 Zorkman: think so Jun 24 15:58:22 DocScrutinizer: yeah... power GPRS usage :D Jun 24 15:58:41 anyway... off for dinner now Jun 24 15:59:05 * DocScrutinizer too Jun 24 15:59:12 ERROR: Package etk-themes (parent etk-themes) is not available from any configured src. Jun 24 15:59:17 very strange, i'll do it manually Jun 24 16:01:27 Gnutoo, hi! Do you remember your linphone problem? Jun 24 16:01:37 max_posedon, yes of course Jun 24 16:01:41 max_posedon, why? Jun 24 16:01:47 so, install fso-abyss and forget it0 Jun 24 16:01:48 ) Jun 24 16:02:00 max_posedon_, wow!!! great Jun 24 16:02:05 max_posedon_, thanks a lot... Jun 24 16:02:15 I'm not right person to thanks Jun 24 16:02:21 max_posedon_, what part of FSO is fso-abyss exactly? Jun 24 16:02:32 is it the modem driver? Jun 24 16:02:33 gsm0710muxd replacer Jun 24 16:02:38 ok thanks Jun 24 16:03:02 and how do I install it...should I cross-compile it myself or is there a less time consuming procedure? Jun 24 16:03:42 opkg install fso-abyss Jun 24 16:03:44 sed -i.orig -e 's/_type gsm0710muxd/ fso-abyss/' /etc/frameworkd.conf Jun 24 16:03:53 wow thanks a lot!!! Jun 24 16:04:41 Gnutoo: actually the sed line is a little buggy Jun 24 16:04:53 edit /etc/frameworkd.conf by hand ;-) Jun 24 16:04:54 tracfeed: Ticket #531 (Bug Report) created Jun 24 16:04:56 ok thanks Jun 24 16:05:31 Gnutoo: take care to delete a posiible _type part of keyword Jun 24 16:05:38 ok thanks Jun 24 16:08:02 ok, now I want found out how usb0 vs ppp0 networking on neo starts Jun 24 16:08:17 I dislike that somebody removes my default gw-s Jun 24 16:09:22 max_posedon: hummm Jun 24 16:10:15 I prefer 2 default gw with different metric Jun 24 16:10:29 (may be 3, 4) Jun 24 16:10:51 max_posedon_: had to delete my line to tell you I thought same instead ;-) Jun 24 16:11:38 ) Jun 24 16:11:47 max_posedon: probably a matter to have a correct "add" parameter for 'route' call Jun 24 16:12:13 plus correct metrics of course Jun 24 16:13:07 though it's not completely clear FR kernel is taking care about metric Jun 24 16:13:21 afair Jun 24 16:14:46 max_posedon: I suggest to first setup multiple default gw by hand and see if it works as supposed Jun 24 16:16:10 ok, I see what I want Jun 24 16:16:25 framework runs ppp with replacedefaultroute Jun 24 16:17:25 where it should be adddefaultroute, if that's a valid option to ppp ;-) Jun 24 16:17:46 as for me it works Jun 24 16:17:56 defaultroute also present Jun 24 16:18:06 but replacedefault is a pita. Jun 24 16:18:27 as for me it works <-- about route+metric Jun 24 16:18:52 heh Jun 24 16:20:30 but I'm not sure 1. how its correct handle resolf.conf 2. what will be changed, when we move all this logic to connman Jun 24 16:22:28 max_posedon: resolv.conf is easy, no? Jun 24 16:22:53 I give up. Jun 24 16:22:55 just add new NS entries to top of file Jun 24 16:23:20 top not always correct, and I'm not sure if extra(>2) NS will work Jun 24 16:23:53 There doesn't seem to be a way to check if esd should be built while cross-compiling. Jun 24 16:23:57 right now for usb0 we done some magic Jun 24 16:24:03 add some global NS Jun 24 16:24:13 DeGT: I think mrmoku will find the bug eventually. Until then just add --disable-esd to your local build Jun 24 16:24:24 so, for ppp right now we can just disable editing resolf.conf at all Jun 24 16:25:42 max_posedon: how that? Jun 24 16:25:56 max_posedon: won't work for me I guess Jun 24 16:26:07 why? Jun 24 16:26:08 DocScrutinizer: Should I open a ticket somewhere so the information doesn't get lost? Jun 24 16:26:15 DocScrutinizer, it still doesn't work Jun 24 16:26:27 Gnutoo, ps -Af | grep fso-abyss Jun 24 16:26:42 ok Jun 24 16:26:55 make sure that you *use* fso-abyss Jun 24 16:27:18 max_posedon, it's running Jun 24 16:27:27 max_posedon, and it shown up in framework log Jun 24 16:27:39 hm... and you still have that problems? Jun 24 16:27:52 DeGT: probably a ticket on shr-trac won't hurt Jun 24 16:28:08 are you sure that you use moko11 release firmware? Jun 24 16:28:10 max_posedon, yes Jun 24 16:28:19 max_posedon, how do I check? Jun 24 16:28:28 max_posedon, I upgraded the firmware long time ago Jun 24 16:29:25 Gnutoo: to check FW-rev use shr-settings-phone-modeminfo Jun 24 16:30:27 ok thanks Jun 24 16:32:32 rebooting... Jun 24 16:32:59 (in order to go in the settings becuause the setting don't work when the bug is hit) Jun 24 16:33:20 Gnutoo, 'cause its strange that you continue have problem with [gsm dead] Jun 24 16:33:41 may be it is some new issue... I hope you use shr-unstable latest? Jun 24 16:33:46 no Jun 24 16:33:51 shr-unstable Jun 24 16:34:04 but I don't know from when Jun 24 16:34:20 then its good time to update it Jun 24 16:34:25 ok Jun 24 16:36:26 DocScrutinizer, moko11 Jun 24 16:37:07 hm... plz update, and after this do some tests Jun 24 16:37:14 ok Jun 24 16:37:35 may be you face another issue Jun 24 16:38:43 mdbus tells me that org.freesmartphone.GSM.Phone is in use. but it's not in the specs. any ideas? Jun 24 16:39:03 is fso.gsm.network the future? Jun 24 16:39:36 DocScrutinizer, hmm... I think the only fix for the gst/esd problem is to add --disable-esd Jun 24 16:40:20 mrmoku: you told for you it's building flawlessly without it Jun 24 16:40:34 because I don't have any esd-config on my buildhost Jun 24 16:40:41 it is looking in the complete path for it Jun 24 16:40:48 and if it finds it... bing Jun 24 16:41:12 off for lunch for real now :) Jun 24 16:41:13 so we need to exclude buildhost from searchpath Jun 24 16:41:49 lindi- / DocScrutinizer: thanks for the help with gdb. i was being a muppet: you telnet to port 4444, but GDB to port 3333 (i was gdb-ing to 4444) Jun 24 16:45:13 mrmoku: obviously the config files for gst-plugin-good weren't tweaked correctly for crosscompile Jun 24 16:45:32 lindi-: now it works \o/ Jun 24 16:50:51 Weiss: what r U doing? Jun 24 16:52:32 DocScrutinizer: i need to get gdb working to debug a kernel panic in the KMS stuff. i can't figure it out just from examining the code Jun 24 16:57:57 Weiss: ha, that (checking the port you connect to) was something i told you ;) Jun 24 16:59:47 PaulFertser: sorry... i'm a muppet Jun 24 17:00:22 even more of a muppet: s/DocScrutinizer/PaulFertser/ Jun 24 17:00:25 :S Jun 24 17:00:28 Weiss: i bet i did far more silly things in my life than you ;) Jun 24 17:00:38 Weiss: and no doubt i will continue the trend Jun 24 17:01:43 learning by your own muppetry is one of the best ways to learn.. or at least, the most efficient Jun 24 17:01:50 everyone is allowed to make each mistake exactly once Jun 24 17:02:41 Weiss: there's a whole class of mistakes that eren't allowed even once ;-) Jun 24 17:03:23 Weiss: rsp which enforce the "only once" policy ;-) Jun 24 17:03:35 hehe Jun 24 17:04:43 i am lucky to have the support i need to avoid such things Jun 24 17:07:37 "boss, you're an idiot". "damn, I forgot to watch the fuel of my plane"... etc etc Jun 24 17:08:28 or "never mix acetone and H2O2" Jun 24 17:09:29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone_peroxide Jun 24 17:09:46 aka apex Jun 24 17:10:39 DocScrutinizer: "obtained by a reaction between hydrogen peroxide and acetone in an acid-catalyzed nucleophilic addition." Will it work without the catalist? Jun 24 17:10:45 or, according to bin laden: devil's granny Jun 24 17:11:10 usually not Jun 24 17:16:54 or much slower Jun 24 17:18:44 anyway it's strictly forbidden to use CO2-snow+acetone cooling for lab setups involving any H2O2 Jun 24 17:19:06 just in case any of the glas tubes might break Jun 24 17:20:57 DocScrutinizer, APEX? "Sauerlandbomber"? Jun 24 17:21:06 yup Jun 24 17:21:27 exactly what they intended to produce Jun 24 17:21:33 max_posedon, DocScrutinizer same issue with today's image Jun 24 17:22:01 Gnutoo: which issue exactly? Jun 24 17:22:15 hehe. i remember andreas bogks reaction on 24c3 Jun 24 17:22:20 DocScrutinizer, I'll explain what I did: Jun 24 17:22:21 gsm dead after trying use gprs with big traffic Jun 24 17:22:31 *connect to gprs Jun 24 17:22:42 *set up openvpn to use a tunnel Jun 24 17:22:59 *change asound.conf to the one for linphonec Jun 24 17:23:27 *alsactl -f voip-handset.state restore Jun 24 17:24:28 launch linphonec,linphonec registers to the asterisk server trough the vpn,then I call my laptop trough the vpn and the connection dies...openvpn says something like: Jun 24 17:24:41 ouch I've closed the console Jun 24 17:24:48 it said something about buffer etc... Jun 24 17:25:08 hmmm, sounds like a openvpn issue then Jun 24 17:25:11 and the gprs connection doesn't work anymore...and only sip passed by the vpn...not all the traffic Jun 24 17:26:03 DocScrutinizer, for me it is classic gsm dead bug... but I can't reproduce it with fso-abyss Jun 24 17:26:03 DocScrutinizer, that's what I thought at the beginning but max_posedon told me that because my connection was dead(can't ping any websites) it wouldn't be an openvpn issue Jun 24 17:26:24 is mickeyterm modem AT still working? Jun 24 17:26:27 DocScrutinizer, I've a 3g card...should I try it with that? Jun 24 17:26:33 DocScrutinizer, no not working anymore Jun 24 17:27:49 DocScrutinizer, basically with mickeyterm I wait eternally and nothing appear... Jun 24 17:27:51 might be cpu-overload causing borked flowcontrol on muxer/abyss causing gsm-fw buffer overflow causing modem to die Jun 24 17:28:09 DocScrutinizer, only dbus deprecations warnings Jun 24 17:28:28 DocScrutinizer, hm.. good idea, but how prevent this... Jun 24 17:28:29 DocScrutinizer, I can check again but I don't think cpu is at 100% Jun 24 17:28:36 Gnutoo: try pump up prio of abyss Jun 24 17:28:46 DocScrutinizer, ok thanks a lot Jun 24 17:28:47 Gnutoo, could you try nice -n -20 fso-abyss? Jun 24 17:28:54 I'll try renice Jun 24 17:29:06 e.g. fso-abyss fso-abyss's pid Jun 24 17:29:15 suggest -16 Jun 24 17:29:20 and then nice -n 20 openvpn Jun 24 17:29:27 ok Jun 24 17:29:31 because it do a lot of math for encrypting Jun 24 17:29:37 ok thanks a lot Jun 24 17:30:01 naaah, don't give vpn same prio as abyss! Jun 24 17:30:07 the goal is to do encrypted voice calls...that would be a killer feature for the openmoko...if someone has a sip server(I do) Jun 24 17:30:27 DocScrutinizer, -20 vs 20 Jun 24 17:30:27 ) Jun 24 17:31:06 DocScrutinizer, look more carifully, Gnutoo openvpn should have very low priority Jun 24 17:31:22 Gnutoo: use twinklephone. It has encryption built in ;-) Pester mrmoku about a working build :-D Jun 24 17:32:06 ok maybe if I don't succeed I'll try that Jun 24 17:32:27 Gnutoo: btw encrypting/vpn for SIP isn't that useful Jun 24 17:32:31 but I prefer openvpn+sip client...it's a lot easier to setup on server side Jun 24 17:32:48 DocScrutinizer, why? signaling is also encrypted no? Jun 24 17:33:13 Gnutoo: you need to encrypt the RTP stream Jun 24 17:33:14 as for, main interesting stuff is gsm-dead bug... Jun 24 17:33:15 DocScrutinizer, I've my own vpn+sip server and the sip server is not connected to others server Jun 24 17:35:02 DocScrutinizer, with my setup is everything encrypted? Jun 24 17:35:08 Gnutoo: SIP-"server" is only for negotiating connection. The RTP stream containing "voice" is point2point Jun 24 17:35:34 ok Jun 24 17:36:03 thanks a lot!!! Jun 24 17:36:13 that's why I say encryption of SIP level is useless Jun 24 17:36:38 Gnutoo: look for SIPS Jun 24 17:36:38 Gnutoo, we still interested in test's results) Jun 24 17:36:47 ok I'll try Jun 24 17:37:17 so who I renice at what priority? Jun 24 17:37:19 Gnutoo: also refer to twinklephone.com and zimmermans ZRTP Jun 24 17:37:44 I know ZRTP...only that I didn't know how sip worked Jun 24 17:38:02 Gnutoo, fso-abyss -> -20, openvpn -> +20 Jun 24 17:38:20 linphone to +20 too Jun 24 17:38:30 thanks Jun 24 17:39:34 never use +/-20 for nice. You might always find another task needing 21 then Jun 24 17:39:36 tracfeed: Ticket #198 (Rewrite Illume GSM module) updated Jun 24 17:40:02 DocScrutinizer (gst-plugins-good) yeah, obviously. But instead of adding (and creating) a patch to fix that it is easier to add that configure option for shr Jun 24 17:40:42 mrmoku: as you like. I just think we won't get things upstream this way Jun 24 17:41:01 mrmoku: but I couldn't care less about that Jun 24 17:41:14 DocScrutinizer (openvpn/SIP): it is usefull... if you don't want to open your asterisk box for free telephony to the world :P Jun 24 17:42:24 err, don't see how that can happen if you don't expose your sip registration credentials to the world Jun 24 17:43:45 tracfeed: Ticket #531 (Bug Report) updated Jun 24 17:44:26 SIP credentials are known to be a little weak. Nevertheless it's rather hard to "guess" them, you can brute-force break key from a tapped credentials set Jun 24 17:44:52 DocScrutinizer, it is more having that port open in the first place that would worry me... Jun 24 17:45:07 don't want to be attackable via vulanerabilites in asterisk Jun 24 17:45:10 -a Jun 24 17:45:17 but you usually can't tap sip-register from any open asterisk server Jun 24 17:45:41 mrmoku: (vuln) ok, ack Jun 24 17:45:43 how can i create a patch file for bitbake (i have the original and the new file) Jun 24 17:46:13 mrmoku: I'd recommend to chroot * then Jun 24 17:46:42 Frank1, diff -Nur file.old file.new > file.patch Jun 24 17:47:01 DocScrutinizer, yeah, but that is more work than just keeping the SIP port closed :P Jun 24 17:47:35 Frank1, take care of the paths... you need the full path for the unpacked source in OE Jun 24 17:47:37 lol, yeah rcasterisk stop will fix it with low effort Jun 24 17:48:06 DocScrutinizer, and without having to respond to clients :) Jun 24 17:48:45 VPN however seems like a serious overkill for this Jun 24 17:50:26 and - honestly - I never understood everybody and his dog needs an * @ home, rather than registering with sipgate.de, ekiga, or whatever they like Jun 24 17:51:23 >y guess is 95% never got the very basics of SIP Jun 24 17:51:23 DocScrutinizer, for interfacing with your local PSTN for example Jun 24 17:51:32 is there something that see niceness? Jun 24 17:51:42 to be shure it succedded Jun 24 17:51:47 Gnutoo: ps? ;-) Jun 24 17:51:51 top doesn't show evrything Jun 24 17:51:57 ok thanks Jun 24 17:52:01 or because you want to do sophisticated stuff like agent logon/logoff... queues... answering machine Jun 24 17:52:20 (well yeah... answering machine is not *that* sophisticated :) Jun 24 17:52:48 on sipgate has a nice one for free ;-) Jun 24 17:56:10 DocScrutinizer, I agree for private use... but in our company we need our asterisk box :) Jun 24 17:57:42 okay i created the patch file, only way to test it is to include it in the build process and see if i still get the same file out? Jun 24 17:58:33 Frank1, just add it to your bb... if it patches cleanly you should be safe Jun 24 17:58:59 mrmoku: for commercial grade use * is nice. Not for everybodies dog though Jun 24 17:59:28 @mrmoku, thats what i had in mind, will try Jun 24 17:59:35 lol, asterisk on FR. What a strange idea Jun 24 18:00:06 hmm having two batteries sucks - today i realised that the first one was around 3% and changed it to the second one - just to notice that i forgot charging it too Jun 24 18:02:12 bumbl: get yourself a plutonium cell ;-) Jun 24 18:02:47 DocScrutinizer: yeah either that or i'll use core fusion to power my neo Jun 24 18:02:55 works great for decades on deep space probes ;-) Jun 24 18:03:21 s/core/nuclear/ Jun 24 18:03:21 bumbl meant: DocScrutinizer: yeah either that or i'll use nuclear fusion to power my neo Jun 24 18:03:50 might get a bit hot though Jun 24 18:04:04 but i am used to it when using the neo as a phone Jun 24 18:04:22 s/it/high temperatures/ Jun 24 18:04:23 bumbl meant: but i am used to high temperatures when using the neo as a phone Jun 24 18:04:58 there were nice reports about cold fusion with heavy water and errr... some electrodes of Al-group Jun 24 18:05:29 DocScrutinizer, it changes nothing... Jun 24 18:05:45 hmmm Jun 24 18:05:54 DocScrutinizer, trafic shaping maybe? Jun 24 18:06:51 Gnutoo: we might need massive debugging to get to root of this. Like nspy Jun 24 18:06:52 DocScrutinizer, moreover when doing openvpn+linphone on wifi it works and cpu usage is not at max Jun 24 18:07:02 DocScrutinizer, what is nspy? Jun 24 18:07:18 DocScrutinizer, by the way I don't have an USRP Jun 24 18:07:42 a kernel patch to dump all tty traffic Jun 24 18:07:48 ah ok Jun 24 18:08:32 in the meantime is there a good zrtp client in openembedded for the openmoko? Jun 24 18:08:46 mrmoku: ???? Jun 24 18:09:34 afaik no Jun 24 18:09:38 Gnutoo: there are few clients for ZRTP for any platform out there. twinkle was first and dunno if there are any more now Jun 24 18:09:52 there are other Jun 24 18:09:53 but someone is working on encrypting calls as a diploma thesis Jun 24 18:10:09 but they do not do video Jun 24 18:10:11 Gnutoo: mrmoku was about to port twinkle for OM Jun 24 18:10:22 but with the openmoko I don't care about video Jun 24 18:10:59 twinkle doesn't do video either Jun 24 18:11:09 DocScrutinizer: after having read the wiki page on cold fusion i ask myself how one could prevent the muons from decay as they told us at cern that they don't live long (except as cosmic ray because of the spped) Jun 24 18:11:26 so using normal electrodes could help Jun 24 18:13:14 Gnutoo: but twinkle does a great job on SIP, and on ZRTP as well Jun 24 18:13:28 DocScrutinizer, ok Jun 24 18:13:46 but how does sip work if both computer are nated ? Jun 24 18:14:09 Gnutoo: I suggest you pester mrmoku about state of twinkle porting ;-D Jun 24 18:14:25 DocScrutinizer, ok I'll do it now Jun 24 18:14:39 * mrmoku hides Jun 24 18:14:43 Gnutoo: that's a hard situation if both are symmetric nat Jun 24 18:14:59 mrmoku, hi what's the state of the twinkle port to the openmoko...do you have a recipe for openembedded ? what works and what doesn't? Jun 24 18:15:47 DocScrutinizer, because I've client<--internet-->asterisk_server<---symertric-nat----->laptop Jun 24 18:15:56 and I bet the clients are under nat Jun 24 18:15:57 * DocScrutinizer breakdruch Jun 24 18:15:57 Gnutoo, problem so far is not twinkle itself but the libraries it needs Jun 24 18:16:10 mrmoku, which libs does it need? Jun 24 18:16:35 Gnutoo: see twinklephone.com! Jun 24 18:16:58 don't remember right now... have to finish some other thing first and will come back to you in 30min? Jun 24 18:17:09 mrmoku, ok I will Jun 24 18:17:42 DocScrutinizer, yes but I wondered what libs were a problem for him...I wasn't clear in what I said Jun 24 18:17:52 * mrmoku is very interested in getting twinkle on the FR too Jun 24 18:18:29 cya Jun 24 18:19:11 hi mickey|linuxtag Jun 24 18:19:30 heya Jun 24 18:20:30 awesome - tracked down my bug with the aid of gdb+debug board Jun 24 18:20:40 (not that i wasn't expecting to) Jun 24 18:21:17 [21474538.235000] fb0: glamodrmfb frame buffer device Jun 24 18:21:19 ;) Jun 24 18:21:21 mickey|linuxtag, i'm missing org.freesmartphone.GSM.Phone in the specs. dead or future? Jun 24 18:22:03 which object is serving this interface? Jun 24 18:22:16 Device afair Jun 24 18:22:32 /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device Jun 24 18:22:41 mrmoku: No rule to make target `install' when bitbake. cotent in log.do_install.xxxx is useless, how to get detailed error? Jun 24 18:23:59 ok its Server mickey|linuxtag Jun 24 18:24:05 50:50 chance :( Jun 24 18:24:07 ah Jun 24 18:24:08 hehe Jun 24 18:24:56 ok, with /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Server the situation is as follows: it provides some higherlevel functions than .../Device, however I'm not sure whether they are supposed to live in there or be directly served by ../Device. Hence I didn't document anything of this interface Jun 24 18:25:46 I'm porting to fso-glib and i monitor it all the time Jun 24 18:26:14 but i remove it because it causes compile errors Jun 24 18:37:21 mickey|linuxtag: what org.freesmartphone.GSM.Phone.StartAuto(Online|Register) do? Jun 24 18:37:45 (on server interface) Jun 24 18:46:27 look at the specs :P Jun 24 18:49:36 playya: you said that it's not documented ;p Jun 24 18:53:32 any way to test a module with different signal strength Jun 24 18:54:44 mrmoku, tell me when you are ready... Jun 24 18:56:21 Gnutoo, almost. A breeze of fresh air and I'm with you :P Jun 24 18:56:23 Frank1, module? Jun 24 18:56:28 ok Jun 24 18:57:18 * DocMobilizer adopts the idea of "fresh air" Jun 24 18:58:03 @docmobilizer, the gsm gadget for illume, i want to see if it displays correct the signal strength, most unfortunately i just have 100 as signal Jun 24 18:58:35 mrmoku: did you rebuild frameworkd with latest fixes? Jun 24 18:58:48 <[Rui]> what widget does paroli use for text editing in sms? Jun 24 18:59:09 hehe Frank1. A obvious case for a simulation suite Jun 24 18:59:26 [Rui]: elementary entry Jun 24 18:59:26 is there anything out in the "wild" already? Jun 24 18:59:48 Frank1, go to your cellar ;-) Jun 24 18:59:57 <[Rui]> dos1|neo: I wonder how it handles the 6 or 8 characters limit on wrapping, then :( Jun 24 19:00:32 [Rui]: hmm? which limit? Jun 24 19:00:33 Frank1, I seem to remember a talk at F9N Jun 24 19:00:44 <[Rui]> If someone told me that that was an old bug and that I should use an elementary closer to svn then I'd use it but... Jun 24 19:01:01 [Rui]: no, that's not bug Jun 24 19:01:09 just set correct size Jun 24 19:01:16 <[Rui]> dos1|neo: I've got an entry with more than one line and text wrapping, and the words "hello identi.ca world" appear each in its own line Jun 24 19:01:35 size_hint_(weight|align)_set Jun 24 19:01:41 <[Rui]> dos1|neo: I didn't find anything to tell it to occupy 100% of width (whatever it was) Jun 24 19:01:41 bah.. you should ask stephan-schmidt iirc Jun 24 19:01:51 <[Rui]> dos1|neo: those didn't seem to work Jun 24 19:02:01 [Rui]: that's bug with your app, not elementary ;p Jun 24 19:02:13 <[Rui]> weigth(entry, 1, 1) and align(entry, 0, 1) Jun 24 19:02:29 align(entry, -1, -1) Jun 24 19:02:40 weigth(entry, 1, 1) Jun 24 19:02:51 <[Rui]> dos1|neo: I believe it can be so, I'm not very familiar with the api :) Jun 24 19:02:58 <[Rui]> dos1|neo: ah... negative values... I see Jun 24 19:03:03 [Rui]: as i ;D Jun 24 19:03:33 but i did that recently ;) Jun 24 19:03:58 <[Rui]> dos1|neo: thank you very much! Jun 24 19:04:06 Frank1, had a funny name, and afaik it worked for testing Jun 24 19:06:31 Frank1, honestly I guess going down ur cellar or next subway is less effort Jun 24 19:07:37 or build a faraday cage Frank1 Jun 24 19:07:47 dos1|neo, yes... for eten-m800 ;) Jun 24 19:07:55 Gnutoo, ok, let me see Jun 24 19:08:09 playya, it turned out thats rather hard to do Jun 24 19:08:13 after opkg upgrade ** (process:1530): DEBUG: dbus not available, try again in 5s Jun 24 19:08:25 but according with ps -Af | grep dbus Jun 24 19:08:25 mrmoku, ok maybe I can help but I've not a lot of time but I know well openembedded(I've commit access) Jun 24 19:08:35 both (system and session) dbus started Jun 24 19:08:40 mrmoku: isn't frameworkd armv4t package :x Jun 24 19:08:42 wtf?! Jun 24 19:08:47 Frank1, playya I used microwave oven Jun 24 19:09:22 microwave oven muhahaha. shold have a faraday shield. but only _should_ ;) Jun 24 19:10:04 max_posedon: do you really think "connecting to dbus failes" means dbus is not started? Jun 24 19:10:22 I don't know what it means Jun 24 19:10:25 max_posedon: i think that's frameworkd which is not running Jun 24 19:10:26 I want it to be fixed Jun 24 19:10:54 playya, it has lambda/2 seals. works very freq specific Jun 24 19:11:06 max_posedon: so fix it ;p an for doing that - check firstly logs Jun 24 19:11:10 yep, you are right... Jun 24 19:11:17 * mickey|linuxtag shoots libasound Jun 24 19:11:35 max_posedon: cat /var/log/frameworkd.log Jun 24 19:11:41 should we be happy now? Jun 24 19:11:58 2009.06.24 22:10:51.420 opimd ERROR Error opening /etc/freesmartphone/opim/csv-contacts.txt Jun 24 19:12:01 dead after this Jun 24 19:12:10 mickey|linuxtag, what? :-D Jun 24 19:12:10 Gnutoo, guess I wiped my recipe-tries with some make update on the road :( Jun 24 19:12:21 will ping you, when I re-hit the problems, ok? Jun 24 19:12:36 mrmoku, ok... Jun 24 19:12:38 this API is very strange Jun 24 19:12:52 so overcomplicated Jun 24 19:13:03 as is whole fsckng ALSA Jun 24 19:13:28 max_posedon: do you have /etc/freesmartphone/opim directory? (btw. it doesn't fail whole FSO on latest upgrade) Jun 24 19:13:42 hm, it still fails Jun 24 19:13:44 2009.06.24 22:13:01.953 opimd DEBUG loading entries for backend SQLite-Messages Jun 24 19:13:45 mickey|linuxtag: I asked cr2 if we could work on the backlight driver, I posted my initial code here: http://people.openezx.org/tmzt/msm_klt_backlight.c Jun 24 19:13:47 after this Jun 24 19:14:19 @docmobilizer, the idea with the cellar was good, the result normaly as well, 96 out of 100 strength :( Jun 24 19:14:21 max_posedon: you don't have latest frameworkd Jun 24 19:14:26 mrmoku: build! Jun 24 19:15:03 dos1|neo, I'm angry with you ;) you we're not here when people were complaining about not working phone due to your db thingie :P Jun 24 19:15:09 Frank1, use tinfoil to wrap the "hole" Jun 24 19:15:36 mrmoku: but i've fixed that before they came ;p Jun 24 19:15:38 @docmobilizer, sorry did not get you, what shall i do? Jun 24 19:15:51 dos1|neo, but after they updated in ran into it :P Jun 24 19:16:16 Frank1, wrap the gsmant with alu-foil Jun 24 19:16:33 mrmoku: just build and everyone will be happy :D Jun 24 19:17:20 dos1|neo, i *hope*, for you Jun 24 19:17:36 ;-) Jun 24 19:17:46 tmzt: ok, cool Jun 24 19:18:06 DocMobilizer: i fixed that few minutes after reporting :P Jun 24 19:19:13 I remember one joke, "We doesn't look at compilation warnings, because people produce better error messages" Jun 24 19:19:55 also, I dislike that frameworkd become dead without any info Jun 24 19:20:22 Frank1, playya IIRC microwave gave me a 30dB off for one band, and sth totally different for the other Jun 24 19:21:58 max_posedon: my fault, fixed that (you would also like to rm /etc/freesmartphone/opim/sqlite-messages.db to get everything fully working) Jun 24 19:22:08 lucky me again, still 100% signal with 2 layer of alu foil Jun 24 19:22:12 mickey|linuxtag: hasn't answered yet (in #htc-linux), is this something you are working on right now at linuxtag? Jun 24 19:22:19 Frank1, don't start the wave while FR inside ;-) Jun 24 19:22:33 i do not own a microwave Jun 24 19:23:14 Frank1, you might want to remove gsm ant completely Jun 24 19:23:23 max_posedon: bugs are natural part of developing :P Jun 24 19:23:38 mrmoku, I'll eat... Jun 24 19:23:38 =-O Jun 24 19:23:40 dos1|neo, mrmoku oh, I think I had latest version Jun 24 19:23:50 rm db's really helps Jun 24 19:24:14 max_posedon: you don't have latest version Jun 24 19:24:28 max_posedon: you have only latest built ;p Jun 24 19:24:29 ok, may be... waiting for new) Jun 24 19:24:39 i think i have to go to a bar tomorrow i know which should have a bad coverage Jun 24 19:24:52 max_posedon: frank also needs to rm some 50 dB Jun 24 19:24:55 tmzt: no, right now i'm working on finishing fsodeviced (odeviced reimplementation in vala/C), but the more I can tell about HTClinux being standards compliant to folks who ask me about the current state on anti-vendor-ports, the better it is :) Jun 24 19:25:20 dos1|neo, but rm helps? e.g. may I insert sim and all will work? Jun 24 19:25:29 (right now, without upgrade) Jun 24 19:25:56 max_posedon: just rm, one time Jun 24 19:26:20 max_posedon: that bug was caused by change in database structure Jun 24 19:26:53 sure, we have every intention of having a generic backlight driver, we use android drivers and their interfaces when required and when it's not a priority to rewrite something that works (as in, sound is higher priority as no one is going to use it as a phone when they can't make calls, so whether it vibrates on a call or gets enough battery life is not as much of an issue) Jun 24 19:28:10 the problem right now is the guy who wrote the klt code (maejrep) is really busy with a project for work and hasn't been in the channel much recently (last two months) Jun 24 19:28:40 we are trying to keep this clean by not having kernel exports for every little function Jun 24 19:28:46 hmm, one additional question, if i have signalstrength with 100 then i should only get the next signal when the strength changed, right? i get at the moment always signals with 100 from ogsmd Jun 24 19:28:49 module exports Jun 24 19:28:51 dos1|neo, you nasty coder. Didn't you catch that error? o.O Jun 24 19:29:14 there were now 4 messages with 100 signal strength after sim authentication and registered to provider Jun 24 19:29:29 Gnutoo, have a nice meal... :) Jun 24 19:29:34 DocMobilizer: i thought version with old structure wasn't built :x Jun 24 19:29:48 hmm, this goes to mickey|linuxtag, Frank1 Jun 24 19:30:21 Frank1: i think the signal is emitted every time an "unsolicited reply" about that comes from the modem. Jun 24 19:30:25 DocMobilizer: that database was introduced 3 days ago Jun 24 19:31:05 PaulFertser, yes Jun 24 19:31:15 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rdd0de54a1acd 10/fsodeviced/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsodevice: remove all traces of libascenario Jun 24 19:31:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r341b804d0b2b 10/libfsoframework/ (fsoframework/alsa.vala tests/testsoundsystem.vala): Jun 24 19:31:16 freesmartphone.org: fsoframework: alsa: looks like on writing, control indices start with '0', Jun 24 19:31:16 freesmartphone.org: while they start with '1' on reading *sigh* Jun 24 19:31:39 @paulfertser, looks like, but this is not what is described in the interface definition of fso ;) Jun 24 19:31:44 dos1|neo, nevertheless opimd is supposed to catch that error Jun 24 19:32:09 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r520e843cd1b1 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/alsa_audio/plugin.vala: fsodevice: alsa_audio: implement scenario handling with new code Jun 24 19:32:44 tmzt: as for charging, i'm still not convinced it charges while in Linux Jun 24 19:32:56 DocMobilizer: yep. i didn't noticed whole FSO failure, because i odified my old db to have new structure Jun 24 19:33:15 * mickey|linuxtag hugs UMTS Jun 24 19:33:15 DocMobilizer: now it have some error handling Jun 24 19:33:23 anyway, after rm all works) Jun 24 19:35:21 how come we save contact data in /etc/... Jun 24 19:35:29 dos1|neo, coder rule #1: never call any function as void (discarding return code) unless you know and document why you may do so *here* Jun 24 19:35:55 spaetz, ouch Jun 24 19:36:21 DocMobilizer: hmm? that's not about return code Jun 24 19:37:00 DocMobilizer: it raised exception Jun 24 19:37:21 yeah, as you use python. so replace with "try ..." Jun 24 19:38:25 DocMobilizer: that's what i did Jun 24 19:38:44 DocMobilizer: and it wasn't my code ;) Jun 24 19:39:34 DocMobilizer: my fault was changing db structure without adding eror handling to already existing code :P Jun 24 19:39:45 s/eror/error/ Jun 24 19:39:46 dos1|neo meant: DocMobilizer: my fault was changing db structure without adding error handling to already existing code :P Jun 24 19:40:06 neo terminal keyboard + finger :x Jun 24 19:40:44 hmmpf :X Jun 24 19:41:06 Gnutoo, if you come back... http://pastebin.com/d32b55634 Jun 24 19:41:15 usually toothpick Jun 24 19:43:07 ok, the new scenario code is done. lets see whether it works Jun 24 19:43:12 * mickey|linuxtag bitbake task-fso2-compliance Jun 24 19:44:10 mickey|linuxtag, what am I doing wrong if fsousaged does not start Jun 24 19:44:13 ERROR:common.c:297:fso_framework_createLogger: assertion failed: (FALSE) Jun 24 19:44:43 let me check what this line does Jun 24 19:45:01 DocMobilizer: matches are really good Jun 24 19:45:02 mickey|linuxtag: yeah, I've had it run for a day if it was charging when booting linux, and other times it will run for hours and then shut down Jun 24 19:45:10 i carry a boc of matches with me now :) Jun 24 19:45:13 box Jun 24 19:46:03 mrmoku: show me the logger configuration from your frameworkd.conf Jun 24 19:46:24 we should just be replacing gramworkd with cornucopia :) solves all frameworkd probs Jun 24 19:46:46 mrmoku: this assert comes when it finds an unset or unknown logger type Jun 24 19:46:47 and the eee 7'' has a crappy keyboad BTW Jun 24 19:47:22 mickey|linuxtag, log_level = DEBUG Jun 24 19:47:23 log_to = file Jun 24 19:47:23 log_destination = /var/log/frameworkd.log Jun 24 19:48:09 mrmoku: what about [fsousaged] and [fsousaged.controller] sections? Jun 24 19:48:27 dos1|neo, there and empty as described in the trac entry you pointed me to Jun 24 19:48:28 tracfeed: Ticket #530 (GPS doesn't work in SHR unstable) updated Jun 24 19:49:57 mrmoku: is this in section [frameworkd] ? Jun 24 19:50:13 mickey|linuxtag, yep Jun 24 19:51:01 tracfeed: Ticket #530 (GPS doesn't work in SHR unstable) updated Jun 24 19:51:05 mrmoku: ok, let me remove this assert and add a proper error message Jun 24 19:51:25 mrmoku, mickey|linuxtag: the same (but with INFO levellog) is working for me Jun 24 19:51:42 loglevel ;D Jun 24 19:52:17 dos1|neo: someone should tell teh kernel people then, that they broke gps Jun 24 19:52:28 spaetz: they know Jun 24 19:52:30 (with regard to the bug) Jun 24 19:52:33 ahh, ok Jun 24 19:52:44 spaetz: it's under discussion on ml Jun 24 19:52:59 ok, haven't followed that for a while, thanks Jun 24 19:53:20 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3ef0831b210a 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/common.vala: fsoframework: common: remove assert in favour of real error message Jun 24 19:53:22 try now Jun 24 19:54:32 mickey|linuxtag: is fsousaged sending signal about resource status changenow? Jun 24 19:54:44 + space :P Jun 24 19:55:15 on which list? Jun 24 19:55:40 Blu3: kernel i think Jun 24 19:55:45 mickey|linuxtag, so... log_to = file does not work? Jun 24 19:56:35 mrmoku: no? Jun 24 19:56:39 it should Jun 24 19:56:59 dos1|neo: no, this signal is not sent yet. are you using it? Jun 24 19:57:31 steve mosher founding a new OM company? Now that is interesting Jun 24 19:57:39 OM-like company Jun 24 19:57:53 seems, i missed a lot in this week Jun 24 19:58:07 mrmoku, thanks I'm back Jun 24 19:58:13 i wouldn't interpret too much in that Jun 24 19:58:56 mickey|linuxtag, did not try yet... still building Jun 24 19:59:01 just guessed from your commit Jun 24 19:59:20 mickey|linuxtag: i noticed that in shr-settings (it listens to that signal in Power settings for CPU and Display resources). it's not critical, but it would be nice to have ;) Jun 24 19:59:22 what is the OM kernel list address? Jun 24 19:59:26 mrmoku, I already had something like this...I must remember how to solve it...do you have the recipe that gives that error? Jun 24 19:59:35 Gnutoo, moment... Jun 24 19:59:42 ok Jun 24 19:59:47 Blu3: lists.openmoko.org Jun 24 19:59:51 go from there Jun 24 19:59:59 mrmoku: no, the respective part is the catchall, if log_to is something unknown (file should not be unknown) Jun 24 20:00:15 i have it print out what it thinks you have specified, so perhaps we see then Jun 24 20:00:21 Gnutoo, http://pastebin.com/d7d3fedfe Jun 24 20:00:24 dos1|neo: agreed. I'll deliver this later Jun 24 20:00:53 mrmoku, file name? Jun 24 20:01:19 Blu3: if I saw corectly the gps discussion is on devel@ and not kernel..@ Jun 24 20:01:31 aye Jun 24 20:02:48 Gnutoo, ccrtp_1.7.1.bb Jun 24 20:03:01 mrmoku, thanks Jun 24 20:03:49 mickey|linuxtag, btw.... what is the plan regarding the start script? Jun 24 20:04:10 right now it get's overwritten on every frameworkd update... and then one has to add fsousaged again :P Jun 24 20:04:44 for ms5.5 i will hack fsousaged in the start script Jun 24 20:05:10 this means you have to disable ousaged in your config Jun 24 20:05:33 eventually there will either be multiple start scripts or we'll solely rely on dbus activation Jun 24 20:05:42 i have not made my mind up on that Jun 24 20:06:18 ok, so we will do the same (if we decide to ship fsousaged as default - which we will :) Jun 24 20:06:18 any opinons? Jun 24 20:06:27 yeah, you should ;) Jun 24 20:08:07 i'd really love to have a sane init system, but as noone seems to be interested to do the work in OE, we have to either reimplement it in OE or see how far we can get with dbus activation Jun 24 20:08:13 err Jun 24 20:08:18 s/OE/FSO/ (2nd one) Jun 24 20:08:44 <[Rui]> #libelm if I make a box the content of a scroller, shouldn't I have finger scrolling? Jun 24 20:10:58 <[Rui]> or even see the scroller at all? or is this name a falsw friend? Jun 24 20:14:54 scroller are only visible when you actually scroll Jun 24 20:15:15 and box should be scrollable if it's bigger than the screen Jun 24 20:15:23 I think... Jun 24 20:16:32 g'night Jun 24 20:16:43 night mickey|zzZZzz Jun 24 20:16:55 night mickey|zzZZzz Jun 24 20:21:11 mrmoku, is it you that wrote that: http://www.gnutelephony.org/index.php/GNU_Telephony_Open_Embedded ? Jun 24 20:22:16 Gnutoo, huh, no :) Jun 24 20:22:28 mrmoku, maybe they have working recipes Jun 24 20:25:11 Gnutoo, well it states so... but I can't find them :( Jun 24 20:25:19 me too Jun 24 20:25:26 I'll try to solve your problem then Jun 24 20:26:35 I hope it will work with libtool 2.x Jun 24 20:28:29 anyway sounds interesting Jun 24 20:41:05 Gnutoo: still I wonder why you see modem borks where I download 50MB of data via GPRS flawlessly Jun 24 20:41:30 DocScrutinizer, it does it only with gprs+openvpn+sip Jun 24 20:42:00 DocScrutinizer, with ssh-vpn + gprs + sip it works slowly and verry lagy but it doesn't crash the modem Jun 24 20:42:21 Gnutoo: yes, understood. Still modem is agnostic about data content Jun 24 20:42:41 one is tcp other is udp Jun 24 20:42:55 and there are tcpmms,mtu or thing like this involved Jun 24 20:43:07 hmm Jun 24 20:43:44 mtu might be an issue Jun 24 20:44:59 Gnutoo: that's why I said we may need low level trace of gprs data traffic Jun 24 20:45:11 ok Jun 24 20:46:01 maybe a patch to abyss to implement that might do Jun 24 20:46:37 might be easier to handle than kernel patch for nspy Jun 24 20:47:14 or try with tcpdump for a first shot Jun 24 20:47:54 re Jun 24 21:05:06 is there somewhere a comparison between intel pxa270 and freerunner's cpu? (arm920T) Jun 24 21:05:13 which one is the faster Jun 24 21:12:11 mrmoku, configure seems to work Jun 24 21:12:39 mrmoku, I did: Jun 24 21:12:51 m4_define([ccrtp_version],[0:1]) after the comments Jun 24 21:13:12 and AC_SUBST(LT_VERSION, [ccrtp_lt_version]) instead of LT_VERSION= Jun 24 21:14:22 <[Rui]> spaetz: ok, will try it in the freerunner then Jun 24 21:14:24 Gnutoo: hey!! :-)) Jun 24 21:14:26 <[Rui]> spaetz: thanks Jun 24 21:15:35 Gnutoo: were you able to crash calypso? Jun 24 21:15:48 lindi-, yes and I can reproduce it at will Jun 24 21:15:52 Gnutoo: same here Jun 24 21:15:58 Gnutoo: did you test fso-abyss? Jun 24 21:16:05 lindi-, yes same issue Jun 24 21:16:15 Gnutoo: thanks, then I don't need to test it Jun 24 21:16:24 lindi-, how do you crash calypso...with openvpn+sip+gprs too? Jun 24 21:16:30 Gnutoo: gprs+sip Jun 24 21:16:40 no openvpn involved Jun 24 21:16:56 Gnutoo: please tell this to max_posedon Jun 24 21:16:59 lindi-: SIP or RTP? Jun 24 21:17:11 DocScrutinizer: well both Jun 24 21:17:13 lindi-, ah sip doesn't work without openvpn with my provider so...I needed openvpn for the signaling Jun 24 21:17:31 max_posedon, hi lindi has the same problem but only with sip Jun 24 21:17:38 max_posedon, no openvpn involved Jun 24 21:17:52 Gnutoo: I also reported it agest ago Jun 24 21:18:06 lindi-, ah where is the bugreport? Jun 24 21:18:20 Gnutoo: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2264 #2264 Heavy GPRS traffic causes a Calypso crash Jun 24 21:18:23 lindi-: are you sure it's not RTP that actually kills modem? Jun 24 21:18:32 thanks Jun 24 21:18:36 DocScrutinizer: no Jun 24 21:19:54 I wonder if modem gets killed by issueing more packets/second than GPRS actually can send Jun 24 21:20:03 <[Rui]> spaetz: but no, it doesn't scroll :( Jun 24 21:21:51 lindi-: Gnutoo: could you try to simulate RTP by e.g. using netcat to spam random packets at high rate to some server sink? Jun 24 21:22:26 DocScrutinizer, ok how do we do that exactly...I only used netcat for netconsole Jun 24 21:23:06 Gnutoo, great :) Jun 24 21:23:08 I still suspect there may be flowcontrol issues with MOKO11 / abyss / dunno Jun 24 21:23:20 mrmoku, did you try it? Jun 24 21:23:21 mrmoku: yup :-) Jun 24 21:24:10 Gnutoo, no... was under the shower :P Jun 24 21:24:18 mrmoku, ok Jun 24 21:24:33 Gnutoo: I'm not sure about that yet (netcat). Probably do some UDP send via netcat in a while-loop Jun 24 21:24:40 ok Jun 24 21:25:03 you mean a shell while loop? Jun 24 21:25:15 Gnutoo, have to sleep now though :( will try it tomorrow Jun 24 21:25:19 Gnutoo: that's my idea for now Jun 24 21:25:27 ok Jun 24 21:25:38 mrmoku, ok Jun 24 21:26:25 Gnutoo: see: GPRS is fsckng slow, so it should be easy to spam it with excess bandwidth Jun 24 21:26:28 Gnutoo, thanks so far... will bugger you when I get stuck again :) Jun 24 21:26:30 gnight all Jun 24 21:26:43 mrmoku|away: night :-))) Jun 24 21:27:00 night Jun 24 21:27:14 DocScrutinizer, ok yes it's kind of slow Jun 24 21:28:31 Gnutoo: I imagine if flowcontrol isn't handled correctly we easily see some stack overflow in MOKO11 as packets pile up that pend sending via GPRS Jun 24 21:29:08 ok but I wonder...if the openmoko company is out of buisness...how will we be able to upgrade the firmware? Jun 24 21:29:14 abyss is supposed to cure this. But maybe it doesn't work for very small or very large packets Jun 24 21:29:21 ok Jun 24 21:29:58 Gnutoo: huh? we have all we need to update FW. We're missing some sources though Jun 24 21:30:23 yes how do we force ti from releasing a new firmware? Jun 24 21:30:28 <[Rui]> #libelm what makes a box full of boxes scroll? wrong set of widgets? I'm trying to get a list of widgets to scroll :( Jun 24 21:30:43 or was it openmoko that had the sources... Jun 24 21:30:46 we never were able to force TI to do that Jun 24 21:31:25 but we have some of the sources so Dieter might be able to fix some issues, e.g. flowcontrol Jun 24 21:32:10 moko9,10,11 were completely by Dieter Jun 24 21:33:10 TI is out of calypso business no matter if OM is developing new phones or completely closing down Jun 24 21:34:14 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r04161a1904a7 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Jun 24 21:34:14 freesmartphone.org: Moved some parts from Monitor to contruct Jun 24 21:34:14 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Frederik 'playya' Sdun Jun 24 21:34:14 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r3a006959f812 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Added debug outpu for NameOwnerChanged Jun 24 21:34:17 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r56c4db7cbcf0 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Remove first ping for run() Jun 24 21:34:20 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * rf34fad0727d4 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Add Object name for ping debugging Jun 24 21:34:23 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r054e82d7ae46 10fso-monitord/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Jun 24 21:34:26 freesmartphone.org: Start porting to libfso-glib Jun 24 21:34:28 freesmartphone.org: Moved to namespace FreeSmartphone.Monitor to avoid conflicts Jun 24 21:34:30 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r8e98a576b738 10fso-monitord/src/device.vala: Ported PowerControl to fso-glib Jun 24 21:34:33 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r4271ef4813ed 10fso-monitord/src/logger.vala: Add enum_to_string to log enums for fso-glib Jun 24 21:34:40 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r61067a21bfb8 10fso-monitord/src/ (device.vala logger.vala): Port PowerSupply to fso-glib Jun 24 21:34:41 We might need to convince OM the Inc. to fund Dieter to do some bugfixing if we have a decent idea what to do exactly Jun 24 21:35:15 DocScrutinizer: simple while true; do yes | nc $ip -u 1234; done does not crash it Jun 24 21:37:30 lindi-: hmm, try a much bigger packet size than 3 (yes) maybe. sth like 'echo xxxxxxxxxxxx....xxxxxxx ' Jun 24 21:39:20 s/3/1/ for 'yes' Jun 24 21:40:51 cat /dev/random | nc... Jun 24 21:43:35 * DocScrutinizer takes a walk Jun 24 21:43:38 bbl Jun 24 21:53:51 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rfb915e3265a3 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: change _sms_... fields to SMS-... Jun 24 21:57:42 DocScrutinizer, I can't get netcat to work...maybe that's because of the same reason than nmap Jun 24 21:57:44 I'll go bye Jun 24 22:03:54 lindi-, can you share your system setup and commandline to Gnutoo so he put nwtcat to work? Jun 24 22:04:49 hmm. I'm missing most of my commits Jun 24 22:07:04 lindi-, about that bug, Jun 24 22:07:14 strange that it fixed for me with fso-abyss Jun 24 22:07:33 I did really big tests, with a lot of traffic, np Jun 24 22:07:46 at least its very hard to reproduce it for me now Jun 24 22:12:51 mickey|zzZZzz: what is dbus activation ? Jun 24 22:14:33 ok found some data Jun 24 22:14:34 ptitjes: that's when you try to access some interface and dbus daemon starts the corresponding server for you. Jun 24 22:14:38 forget this ping Jun 24 22:14:57 It's already used for gsm0710muxd btw. Jun 24 22:15:06 mrmoku|away, Ainulindale: we have to rely on dbus activation Jun 24 22:15:21 this is reduce in a large way our different problems Jun 24 22:15:28 s/is/will/ Jun 24 22:15:28 ptitjes meant: thwill is reduce in a large way our different problems Jun 24 22:15:34 Ahaha, nice. ptitjes finally found dbus activation :) Jun 24 22:15:50 PaulFertser: heh why nobody told me about this ;) Jun 24 22:19:59 wait until I tell about session bus Jun 24 22:22:16 DocMobilizer: ?? Jun 24 22:23:23 ptitjes, i'm kinda kiddin Jun 24 22:23:40 hummm... Jun 24 22:24:01 <[Rui]> isn't evas_object_show(scroller) + evas_object_show(scroller_content) enough to view this widgets? they don't show up for, however... Jun 24 22:24:03 don't you remember I have not any sense of humor ???? Jun 24 22:24:10 :p Jun 24 22:25:30 tho with a grain of truth as i sometimes wonder wtf a particular service has to teside on sysbus Jun 24 22:26:00 reside Jun 24 22:30:08 ptitjes, anyway the comment wasn't targeted at you exclusively Jun 24 22:36:20 <[Rui]> ah... got it, finally... weird... Jun 24 22:52:04 How can I get bitbake to redownload missing source archives? Jun 24 23:01:27 DeGT, delete the source archive tarball from the download dir Jun 24 23:06:33 Yes, that what I did. Jun 24 23:07:00 But now I'm stuck with tar complaining about that missing file. Jun 24 23:08:16 mwester: "No such file or directory" Jun 24 23:08:38 did you also get rid of the .md5 file? Jun 24 23:11:21 no. Jun 24 23:13:37 dbus borked :-/ Jun 24 23:14:25 ~botsnack Jun 24 23:14:25 :), DocMobilizer Jun 24 23:16:10 strange, MiriamWebster seems has no idea bout 'to bork' Jun 24 23:22:54 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r89619244f2f6 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: implement NewContact, ContactUpdated and ContactDeleted signals Jun 24 23:22:55 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rf0042b791436 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: implement MessageUpdated and MessageDeleted signals Jun 24 23:34:38 hoh Gnutoo o/ Jun 24 23:34:45 hi Jun 24 23:35:10 I'm fighting against moskitoes Jun 24 23:35:42 hehe, *where* are you? Jun 24 23:39:15 italy Jun 24 23:39:23 but there are a lot of moskitoes at milan Jun 24 23:40:57 will be an issue here if ever it stpps raining Jun 24 23:51:28 ok **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 25 02:59:57 2009