**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 02 10:34:15 2009 Jul 02 10:34:27 lindi-, why that (for the scenario files) Jul 02 10:34:38 you configure the path for them in /etc/frameworkd.conf Jul 02 10:34:46 and that one does not get overwritten on update Jul 02 10:35:02 Heinervdm, webkit fails because there's no install Jul 02 10:35:48 playya: no do_install? Jul 02 10:36:25 it should use standard install Jul 02 10:36:51 no target in the makefile Jul 02 10:37:25 strange Jul 02 10:37:36 mrmoku: but you won't get to merge your changes if there's an upgrade Jul 02 10:38:14 mrmoku: if I have modified some conffile and then do an upgrade that also changes the same file I will get a prompt that will ask what do Jul 02 10:41:07 lindi-, yep, opkg gives you the possibility to take the updated one, your one or do a diff Jul 02 10:41:47 no merging Jul 02 10:42:09 mrmoku: yep but you don't get that if the scenarios are not conffiles Jul 02 10:42:11 mrmoku: right? Jul 02 10:42:40 lindi-, the scenarios are no conffiles right (at least I think so) Jul 02 10:42:46 they will get overwritten on update Jul 02 10:42:55 but you can point frameworkd to somewhere else Jul 02 10:43:02 like ~/scenarios Jul 02 10:46:29 * mrmoku --> lunch Jul 02 10:48:30 mrmoku: why are they not conffiles? Jul 02 10:56:08 Heinervdm, i removed the do_configure method and now it works Jul 02 10:56:45 playya: in my webkit bb is no configure method? Jul 02 10:57:29 oops Jul 02 10:57:59 i changed the recipe in oe. maybe i missed it Jul 02 10:57:59 playya: wich reciepe do you use? Jul 02 10:58:32 http://pastebin.ca/1481706 thats my reciepe Jul 02 11:04:42 ok. I start a rebuild and take a shower Jul 02 11:34:06 lindi-, I just checked the reicpes... they are conffiles :) Jul 02 11:43:33 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rbdcd9fff733e 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: check if status-report-request is 1 when handling receipt Jul 02 12:46:09 ptitjes: ping Jul 02 12:46:30 ptitjes: would you have time to update our branches? 0.7.4 has some work for generic methods which I'd like to use Jul 02 12:51:26 can some FSO/python magican help me with this: http://pastebin.com/m4ea86e9c ? Jul 02 12:52:03 s/magican/magician Jul 02 12:55:36 do you have the C-based libyaml installed? Jul 02 12:57:55 mickeyl: done Jul 02 12:58:20 playya: i'm getting revision 41040 with bitbake, by browsing the svn revision 41231. That's strange. After adding the patch to 41040 it compiles and installs, but with 41231 it doesn't install Jul 02 12:59:31 mickeyl: checking... Jul 02 12:59:54 I'm missing the headerfiles in webkit-efl Heinervdm Jul 02 12:59:58 ptitjes: great, thanks Jul 02 13:00:01 mickeyl: no i only have the python version Jul 02 13:00:17 sleipnir: i'm afraid right now we need the libyaml + the python libyaml bindings Jul 02 13:00:27 it worked with the pure python implementation previously Jul 02 13:00:30 but something seems to have changed Jul 02 13:00:50 i'll celebrate the day when we have successors for oeventsd and oprofiled Jul 02 13:00:50 mickeyl: no problem, will update the dependencies of the framework ebuild then Jul 02 13:00:53 thanks Jul 02 13:01:00 cool Jul 02 13:01:02 s/profiled/preferences/ Jul 02 13:02:00 mickeyl: one more thing: is there a tutorial on how to test the framework with cli-framework? Jul 02 13:02:06 mickey, raster: great gurus of guis. what would you recommend a noob like me would use to do a little canvas-centric (i.e., i want mainly lines, boxes, and a little text here and there) gooey on the desktop ? i know tkinter+python a bit and i've used gtk+ very lightly. goal would be something with easy learning and decent performance, especially when moving things around. the application is basically a simple parametric cad system Jul 02 13:02:54 wpwrak: if you don't need speed, stick with tkinter, if you already know it Jul 02 13:03:08 wpwrak: pends what api makes sens to you Jul 02 13:03:09 sleipnir: not straightforward. Jul 02 13:03:15 oh yes, and good c bindings are required. i.e., i want to be able to do part of the system in C (i need lex and yacc) Jul 02 13:03:19 draw or create+manipulate Jul 02 13:03:24 sleipnir: baiscally it's just calling methods on the already established objects Jul 02 13:03:36 sleipnir: start with dir(), grab docs.freesmartphone.org, and call some methods Jul 02 13:03:43 sleipnir: i realize i should do a video to explain this in detail Jul 02 13:03:45 :) Jul 02 13:03:56 mickeyl: can you give an example for... playing sound? :-) Jul 02 13:03:56 raster: create and manipulate, although all the complex stuff would be via text entry (sort of scripting) Jul 02 13:04:12 then efl is your go Jul 02 13:04:16 sleipnir: devaudio.PlaySound("/tmp/ghettogroove.mp3", 0, 0) Jul 02 13:04:27 mickeyl: ok thx Jul 02 13:04:31 will try Jul 02 13:04:32 or gtk (the widget sets - not gtkdrawing area which u'll need for lines, boxes etc.) Jul 02 13:04:57 (gtkdrawinarea is where you can draw anythnig you like, but you draw, not create+manipulate) Jul 02 13:05:19 bbiab, groceries Jul 02 13:05:40 raster: but i can, say, "drag" a group of lines and they will update smoothly when i move them around ? Jul 02 13:06:14 for gtk (drawing area) you do all the redraw - to be smooth u'd need to draw to pixmap then copy to window when done Jul 02 13:06:23 eith efl thats done for you - just move all the objects Jul 02 13:06:33 (one by onw) ot write a smart object that groups things Jul 02 13:06:45 raster: how well is efl documented ? Jul 02 13:06:51 (move the smart object and child objects - the linex, boxes etc. will move accordingly. this is basically what edje does) Jul 02 13:06:59 partly documented Jul 02 13:07:06 rest is examples Jul 02 13:07:45 raster: is it included in ubuntu ? Jul 02 13:07:53 elemewntary is probably thew easiest way - it has the lowest barrier of entry Jul 02 13:08:00 no - none of efl is Jul 02 13:08:08 its in the queue for debian unstable atm Jul 02 13:08:30 http://www.rasterman.com/files/get_e.sh Jul 02 13:08:38 will jsut snarf from svn (or update) and rebuild Jul 02 13:08:51 bah buntkuh Jul 02 13:08:56 otherwise add debian unstable to apt pkg sources and wait Jul 02 13:08:58 <[Rui]> raster: how does it it differ from easy_e17.sh do you know? Jul 02 13:09:33 [Rui]: it's much simpler Jul 02 13:09:38 it wont build elementayr Jul 02 13:09:43 it'll just build what u need for e17 Jul 02 13:09:48 but elementary is a trivial thnig then Jul 02 13:09:49 <[Rui]> raster: ah ok :) Jul 02 13:10:01 moin Jul 02 13:10:13 (svn co ....; ./autogen.sh && make && sudo make install) Jul 02 13:10:25 everything in efl works that way - identical build setups Jul 02 13:10:59 raster: mmh, raises the barrier for use :-( Jul 02 13:11:33 then use gtk Jul 02 13:11:45 and you'll just have to do your own drawing and redraw handling Jul 02 13:14:41 raster: ok. i guess i'll have survive with this then :) what language is the most suitable for the gui part, given that part of the program will be in C ? straight C ? Jul 02 13:15:10 C Jul 02 13:15:18 and its fairly simple C Jul 02 13:15:25 just read the Elementary.h Jul 02 13:15:29 it'll just make sense Jul 02 13:15:43 do 'make doc" in elementary's src base - look in doc/html for he docs so far Jul 02 13:15:52 it has a getting started guide Jul 02 13:16:06 ie templates for your first elm app that pops up a window including al the autofoo for it Jul 02 13:16:26 so u can "make dist" and have tarballs and simply use any .bb used for other efl stuff for it directly with some renames Jul 02 13:17:12 raster: it turns out the .edj file to edit terminal-kbd topbar is not exactly self-explanatory Jul 02 13:17:23 bah Jul 02 13:17:26 it's easy Jul 02 13:17:30 look for the kbd stuff Jul 02 13:17:37 u'll fine the kbd design as a whole Jul 02 13:17:43 and u can shuffle/delete/whatever parts around Jul 02 13:17:56 yeah, found sth like that iirc ~line 1800(!) Jul 02 13:18:27 its verbosze Jul 02 13:18:28 raster: naw, i was talking about gtk. it's a desktop application, and i want to keep the build dependencies low. i.e., no dependency on libraries that people normally don't have, nor dependencies on bleeding edge versions that they don't have yet Jul 02 13:18:28 but simple Jul 02 13:18:34 but still it's not particularly easy to understand the details Jul 02 13:18:40 wpwrak: or gtk Jul 02 13:18:44 c is its native world Jul 02 13:18:53 DocScrutinizer: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Jul 02 13:18:56 theres gtkmm (c++ interface layer on top) Jul 02 13:19:13 "c++ - just say 'no'" :) Jul 02 13:19:21 if you use vala you can use vala wpwrak Jul 02 13:19:37 DocScrutinizer: i did that without any changes in .edc Jul 02 13:19:52 if you use vala you can use vala? :D Jul 02 13:20:02 playya: i was wondering about that. with everyone here gone vala-crazy recently :) Jul 02 13:20:16 if you use gtk you can use vala wpwrak Jul 02 13:20:18 dos1: cause and effect, in a nice tidy loop :) Jul 02 13:20:19 :D Jul 02 13:21:35 playya: does vala come "out of the box" (*) with a gtk library/bindings/whatever ? (* i.e., after i install it on my ubuntu) Jul 02 13:21:41 <[Rui]> raster: the screenshots in the Elementary trac page are gone, do you know that? Jul 02 13:21:50 dos1: hmmm. Not sure I feel any better and wiser now Jul 02 13:21:58 [Rui]: AGAIN?\ Jul 02 13:22:15 wpwrak, yes Jul 02 13:22:24 <[Rui]> raster: didn't notice they came back :) Jul 02 13:22:28 mrmoku: conffiles in /usr? really? Jul 02 13:22:32 <[Rui]> raster: but yes, they're gone now Jul 02 13:22:33 DocScrutinizer: i've just edited keyboard file Jul 02 13:22:36 FUCK Jul 02 13:22:37 <[Rui]> Attachment 'wiki:Elementary: elementary.2.png' does not exist. Jul 02 13:22:42 FUCK FUCK FUCK Jul 02 13:22:45 i am NOT fixing it again Jul 02 13:22:53 this hapend before Jul 02 13:22:55 there was no fix Jul 02 13:23:01 raster: what's your take on vala and gtk+ ? better than C ? or just a useless extra layer of abstraction ? Jul 02 13:23:03 i re-uplaoded every image and renamed the new ones Jul 02 13:23:06 i am NOT doing it again Jul 02 13:23:07 <[Rui]> raster: what happened? how can I help you? Jul 02 13:23:20 wpwrak, vala compiles into C code Jul 02 13:23:34 and theres libeflvala Jul 02 13:23:38 playya: yes, so did C++ ;-) Jul 02 13:23:40 dos1: looks good, but how does it help me to follow raster's advice to edit .edj to make topbar smaller? Jul 02 13:23:43 wpwrak: no take on vala at all - my take on gtk after hav ing used it a lot and even worked on gtk's code itself is "meh! boring. slow!" Jul 02 13:23:43 :) Jul 02 13:23:55 [Rui]: find a fix to this. this is some trac bug. Jul 02 13:24:13 <[Rui]> raster: I never met that bug on my trac installation at work Jul 02 13:24:20 ours seems to have it Jul 02 13:24:21 wpwrak, if you want to use dbus stuff vala rocks Jul 02 13:24:24 and i have no idea why Jul 02 13:24:27 the files aree actually there Jul 02 13:24:41 DocScrutinizer: if you just want to make bigger some non-predictive keyboard, then you don't have to edit .edc/.edj Jul 02 13:24:58 somethng is wrong with tracs internal data (its STUPID that it needs to keep this in a database to just find a file in a fixed position on disk - just get the right filename!) Jul 02 13:24:59 <[Rui]> raster: if you'd trust me, maybe I could look into it :) Jul 02 13:25:26 <[Rui]> raster: is it using a real database or sqlite? Jul 02 13:25:29 [Rui]: to get access to our servers, you need an svn account to start with Jul 02 13:25:32 dos1: I want to get rid of the useless topbar Jul 02 13:25:40 i can convert it then to a "permenant admin" account Jul 02 13:25:48 its using real mysql server Jul 02 13:25:52 DocScrutinizer: so you don't want to use predictive keyboards, only terminal? Jul 02 13:26:01 exactly Jul 02 13:26:22 DocScrutinizer: and what do you want - increasing size of buttons, or decreasing size of keyboard? Jul 02 13:26:24 <[Rui]> raster: I see, that's a huge difference from my setup, so maybe the source of the bug. are other pages suffering from this or just this one? Jul 02 13:26:59 decrease hight of kbd by size of topbar Jul 02 13:27:03 <[Rui]> others too, I just saw Jul 02 13:27:03 playya: ah no, no dbus :) what i'm after is a parametric footprint editor for kicad. kicad itself is written in c++ and wxwidgets, but that's too much pain for me to consider. Jul 02 13:27:34 dos1: to free up useable netto area of screen Jul 02 13:27:47 then you need to edit edc :P Jul 02 13:27:51 playya: so the idea is that you generally provide parameters as text but piece things together graphically. Jul 02 13:27:53 wait a moment... Jul 02 13:28:11 dos1: that's what raster told me Jul 02 13:28:20 [Rui]: no - this is separate from trac Jul 02 13:29:17 sth like a mda wpwrak ? Jul 02 13:32:06 <[Rui]> raster: may I suggest filenames without spaces? Jul 02 13:32:14 mda mda ... Missile Defense Agency ? Media Development Authority ? Michigan Dental Association ? Jul 02 13:32:40 <[Rui]> raster: oops my mistake, loking at path in the wrong spot Jul 02 13:32:56 man, don't again. Jul 02 13:33:33 [Rui]: the filenames don t have spaces Jul 02 13:33:36 :) Jul 02 13:34:03 lindi-, yep, conffiles in /usr/share ;) Jul 02 13:34:08 * mrmoku did not do that Jul 02 13:34:11 <[Rui]> raster: yeah, I was looking at Wiki:Elementary: fubar.png instead of just fubar.png Jul 02 13:34:23 <[Rui]> I should go cure my migraine instead of being here Jul 02 13:34:40 wpwrak, model driven architecture. nice buzzword. you use graphical elements to generate code,... Jul 02 13:35:10 hehe Jul 02 13:35:15 i need to pass out soon Jul 02 13:35:21 mrmoku: yikes, how can that pass automated tests? Jul 02 13:35:22 multimedia development architecture Jul 02 13:35:24 big nasty day to try and get behind me Jul 02 13:35:28 err... Jul 02 13:35:38 multimedia development platform Jul 02 13:36:37 aka zoom-II MDP Jul 02 13:36:54 lindi-, don't know what OE tests for (and what not) Jul 02 13:37:28 playya: i got them with --with-port=efl in EXTRA_OECONF they are in Jul 02 13:37:56 yes Jul 02 13:38:13 i know. but bitbake only installs the pkgconfig file Jul 02 13:38:27 but no headers Jul 02 13:38:38 playya: ah yes, something along these lines. kinda "graphical programming". i'd even have loops, with tables Jul 02 13:39:29 and eve uses pkgconfig so you don't need EWebKit/.. in you include Jul 02 13:40:12 playya: yes, for me it compiled fine. Don't know why it doesn't for you :D Jul 02 13:40:29 because i suck :) Jul 02 13:40:45 <[Rui]> sleeping. bye Jul 02 13:40:46 :) Jul 02 13:42:51 do you have a EWebKit dir in tmp/staging/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/ Jul 02 13:43:23 yes Jul 02 13:43:51 autotools_stage_all did this for me Jul 02 13:44:52 mrmoku: lindi-: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard ;-) Jul 02 13:46:31 DocScrutinizer: yep read that Jul 02 13:46:46 mrmoku: thanks for reminding me why I don't use OE :P Jul 02 13:47:08 lindi-: I guess you did. Alas not all developers did it seems Jul 02 13:47:41 lindi-: so it was more like a pointer you may share to others than a suggestion for you Jul 02 13:47:49 debian policy overlaps mostly with that Jul 02 13:50:09 DocScrutinizer, overflowing it I don't find the part where it says 'ALL configuration files MUST be under etc' though Jul 02 13:51:18 mrmoku: hmm, yes. It seems FHS is dropping a few best-common-practice points Jul 02 13:51:50 mrmoku: e.g it doesn't even declare /home mandatory :-S Jul 02 13:52:11 and /root is a mere suggestion Jul 02 13:54:22 mrmoku: tw there is a whole lot of config files that live in ~/ Jul 02 13:54:30 Btw Jul 02 13:54:47 mrmoku: though: "" /etc (spezifische Konfigurationsdateien) "" Jul 02 13:55:58 DocScrutinizer: which alsamixer switch reduces mic sensitivity? Jul 02 13:56:53 bumbl: you have mic-to-gsm-volume, which is one of #4,#5,#6 (can't remember atm, see wiki) Jul 02 13:57:49 bumbl: and you got "gain" which is adjusted just once to calibrate the system (like the little red turn-knob at top of every band-mixer channel) Jul 02 13:58:04 bumbl: this one is #48 (range 0-3) Jul 02 13:58:57 bumbl: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_channel_controls Jul 02 13:59:34 aah yes, #5 Jul 02 14:00:02 so would it be wise to first change the gain value Jul 02 14:00:35 bumbl: yup Jul 02 14:01:02 bumbl: see recommended adjustment procedure in above posted wikipage Jul 02 14:02:16 bumbl: the idea is, like on a conventional stage-mixer, to first calibrate every gain to 0dB on maximum input level audio events Jul 02 14:02:55 bumbl: then adjust with main slider (#5 here) to your momentary needs Jul 02 14:04:25 bumbl: also #48 ust be set correctly to yield a decent conversion range at A/D PCM Jul 02 14:04:39 mickey, playya, raster: okay, gtk it is. thanks, folks ! Jul 02 14:05:08 DocScrutinizer: at the moment i have with a buzz fixed (i hope it is - i at least payed for it) terrible background noise Jul 02 14:05:10 bumbl: e.g. if you plan to record phonecalls Jul 02 14:06:15 DocScrutinizer, The /usr/share hierarchy is for all read-only architecture independent data files. Jul 02 14:06:17 bumbl: probably #48 is set to "value 3". I get same issue here. Seems this is a bit too high, as it clips audio. Jul 02 14:06:31 you could argument that the alsa state files are *not* architecture independent ;) Jul 02 14:06:40 mrmoku: ack Jul 02 14:06:57 mrmoku: at least the ones we use here Jul 02 14:07:25 mrmoku: gsmhandset.state etc should go exactly there: /etc ;-P Jul 02 14:07:29 and we could discuss if alsa state files actually are configuration files or not Jul 02 14:07:41 nah, not sure about that ;) Jul 02 14:08:22 mrmoku: /etc/resolv.conf as well isn't exactly a configuration file, despite its name Jul 02 14:08:54 DocScrutinizer, why not? Jul 02 14:09:03 it configures the name servers Jul 02 14:09:25 mrmoku: it's dynamically changed by dhcpcd etc Jul 02 14:09:38 DocScrutinizer: i somehow fail to find the mentioned settings in alsamixer Jul 02 14:10:37 bumbl: they are there, maybe somnewhat truncated Jul 02 14:11:02 bumbl: use ;-) Jul 02 14:11:29 DocScrutinizer: i know that there are plenty pages Jul 02 14:12:35 bumbl: please refer to above posted wikipage! Jul 02 14:12:44 the alsamixer names are there as well Jul 02 14:13:01 I put them in to help you ;-P Jul 02 14:13:06 i did and looked for the alsamixer names ;) Jul 02 14:13:32 Control 5: "Mono Playback Volume" (alsamixer name: "Mono" Jul 02 14:14:20 Control 48: "Mic2 Capture Volume" (alsamixer name: "Mic2". Jul 02 14:15:44 bumbl: you might find more convenient to use `amixer cset "Mono Playback Volume" -6dB Jul 02 14:15:54 sth like that Jul 02 14:16:01 DocScrutinizer: yep i found mono, but no mic2 Jul 02 14:16:24 bumbl: use to switch to "ALL" page Jul 02 14:39:55 i'm fighting with illume theme Jul 02 14:40:47 now i have faster keyboard and icons on desktop Jul 02 14:40:58 and that icons doesn't look ugly on x11-16 Jul 02 14:54:16 dos1, we all love you for that :) Jul 02 14:59:45 but now - spaghetti! <3 Jul 02 15:00:00 FSM will be proud ;) Jul 02 15:00:17 dos1, nah... spaghetti make you FAT... believe me - I know what I'm talking about ;) Jul 02 15:00:24 your gf won't like that :P Jul 02 15:00:52 mrmoku: so seems that's exactly what I need ;-) Jul 02 15:01:28 mrmoku: i want to be fat :D Jul 02 15:01:33 now i can eat, and eat, and eat Jul 02 15:01:38 and i'm still thin Jul 02 15:01:40 ;D Jul 02 15:01:49 my gf wouldn't mind me being a little more "fat" Jul 02 15:02:00 as my :D Jul 02 15:04:15 * DocScrutinizer wonders where to get decent spaghetti now Jul 02 15:04:15 DocScrutinizer, yeah, you have my spaghetti permission :) Jul 02 15:04:27 dos1, times will change though Jul 02 15:06:02 but now i can eat :D Jul 02 15:26:33 has anyone else experienced te problem where their Illume icons appear in three columns instead of four, leaving quite a large blank space? Jul 02 15:27:01 i'm wondering if it's just due to my "custom" setup, or if it's a wider problem Jul 02 15:27:07 (because it doesn't happen with KMS) Jul 02 15:32:47 mrmoku: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/5018022fcc092f24fa54465477d9b036.png Jul 02 15:33:47 hmm, effect are really good Jul 02 15:33:57 * dos1 is checking, if he can do the same with elementary theme Jul 02 15:34:35 dos1, what part is good? Jul 02 15:34:57 I mean which part should I look at? the toolbar (which is still ugly) or the icons (which look good) Jul 02 15:35:00 ? Jul 02 15:35:24 mrmoku: i didn't touch toolbar itself, only active icon in launcher and active buttons in toolbar Jul 02 15:36:33 mrmoku: i'll maybe change toolbar to use solid color instead of gradient Jul 02 15:37:39 dos1, yep, that would be much appreciated :) Jul 02 15:37:47 it's one of the most disturbing things for me Jul 02 15:38:11 raster, you were right... as always :P Jul 02 15:38:15 but later, now buttons (which are the most disturbing things for me :P) Jul 02 15:38:26 :) Jul 02 15:38:42 mrmoku: with which? i'm just making bigger images, as in x11-16 smooth scaling is disallowed Jul 02 15:38:44 ;) Jul 02 15:39:04 dos1, with which? Jul 02 15:39:18 mrmoku: with which raster was right ;) Jul 02 15:39:50 dos1, ahh... unrelated... he was right in telling me that it is my fault my custom genlist style does not get used Jul 02 15:40:06 I just realized that efl2 is using edj from efl :P Jul 02 15:40:12 :) Jul 02 15:40:34 dos1, I'm converting the message list to be a genlist too Jul 02 15:40:40 and then I will do pim messages :) Jul 02 15:41:49 fine :) Jul 02 15:43:43 Weiss: PaulFertser: Xorg does fbioblank with xset dpms 10 10 10 Jul 02 15:50:58 lindi-: xset dpms 10 10 10 should blank, or it should be blanked with xscreensaver after issuing that? Jul 02 15:51:44 dos1: it blanks autonarically Jul 02 15:52:00 lindi-: so it doesn't work with kdrive :( Jul 02 15:52:02 dos1: xscreensaver is just unnecessary Jul 02 15:52:30 lindi-: hmm... so who'll "eat" first tap on screen when unblanking? Jul 02 15:52:36 with wlan it is about 85 mA Jul 02 15:53:12 dos1: yes it goes to the app Jul 02 15:53:27 lindi-: so xscreensaver is still useful :P Jul 02 15:54:03 lindi-: what about 10 0 0, 0 10 0 or 0 0 10? Jul 02 15:54:33 Weiss: do i really need to test? Jul 02 15:54:55 hmm, possibly not Jul 02 15:55:17 mrmoku: yay! http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/473ea2a70c4fa4febfbf186550ebd9ff.png Jul 02 15:55:43 i'm just slightly confused about how you manage to get blanking but no pixel clock running without outside intervention (such as e.g. frameworkd poking around in sysfs) Jul 02 15:55:48 not perfect, but A LOT better than default theme on x11-16 :) Jul 02 15:57:23 Weiss: FBIOBLANK ioctl does it? Jul 02 15:57:56 Weiss: i was previously using xset s 10 10 whic did not stop pixel clock Jul 02 15:58:22 lindi-: fbioblank should send JBT6K74 to sleep then turn Glamo's pixel clock off, as far as i know (and not actually turn the backlight off..) Jul 02 15:58:40 hmm.. the last number is the time to the "off" state Jul 02 15:59:33 Weiss: it does that i rhink Jul 02 16:04:44 dos1, much better... I would still prefer the buttons to be solid color too I think though Jul 02 16:05:16 mrmoku: it would be too much fighting for now ;) Jul 02 16:05:19 maybe later Jul 02 16:05:24 ok Jul 02 16:14:13 mrmoku: i have small app for blanking framebuffer. i think it should be included in SHR (after rewriting in C - now it's python :P) Jul 02 16:15:01 (python: real 0m 0.86s, user 0m 0.53s, sys 0m 0.22s) Jul 02 16:19:58 dos1, to replace xset? Jul 02 16:20:13 mrmoku: no, to use with (when blanking) Jul 02 16:20:47 mrmoku: xset can unblank it, but when blanking, it only powers down backlight, not display Jul 02 16:27:04 dos1: I guess DPMS is the magic word Jul 02 16:27:13 DocScrutinizer: with xorg - yes Jul 02 16:27:16 well.. Jul 02 16:27:18 lindi-: ok, on closer inspection, only the "off" mode ends up disabling pixel clock in the kernel Jul 02 16:27:39 i think we should move from kdrive to xorg :P Jul 02 16:27:50 DocScrutinizer: kdrive doesn't support DPMS i think Jul 02 16:27:57 (well, it doesn't work here) Jul 02 16:27:59 lindi-: (DPMSModeOff gets translated into FB_BLANK_POWERDOWN in fbdevhw, which tells glamo-fb to disable the clock and jbt. nothing else does that) Jul 02 16:28:46 dos1: no idea at all. Only now backlite is controlled by DPMS on laptops, and screensavers have option to enable/disable tis Jul 02 16:28:53 Know Jul 02 16:30:15 DocScrutinizer: it is also controlled by DPMS on neo, but not with kdrive/Xglamo Jul 02 16:30:35 mrmoku: should i commit elementary-theme-sixteen and e-wm-theme-sixteen? ;) Jul 02 16:32:59 hehe :) Jul 02 16:33:19 will think about that while eating :) Jul 02 16:33:21 bbl Jul 02 16:34:01 i still manage not to understand what's turning the backlight on and off... does anyone know? Jul 02 16:34:21 dos1: could we finally get all the ok/dial/accept buttons to left side, and all the reject/cancel buttons on the right? Jul 02 16:35:51 DocScrutinizer: if you'll write list, where and what to change, i'll do it Jul 02 16:35:52 Weiss: ask raster Jul 02 16:36:06 dos1: cool, I'll do Jul 02 16:38:01 DocScrutinizer: PS. some time ago i changed button order in opimd-utils - accept/ok on left and cancel on right ;) Jul 02 16:38:26 Weiss: I remember a lengthy debate between raster and andy about one was implementing a bandaid, and the other couldn't implement it the right way (which it seemed both agrred upon), as long as the bandaid wouldn't vanish prior to that Jul 02 16:39:10 dos1: There's one occasion where it's correct - think it's inbound call accept/reject buttons Jul 02 16:39:48 DocScrutinizer: and i think some time ago i've changed "are you sure" windows when deleting Jul 02 16:40:05 dos1: outbound call e.g still wrong ordering Jul 02 16:40:22 DocScrutinizer: dialer? Jul 02 16:40:27 yup Jul 02 16:41:31 hmm... i see om is working hard on project b ;) Jul 02 16:41:41 DocScrutinizer: ah, ok... just poking around in the kernel. there's a backlight driver which attaches to the fb notifier chain so it goes off with fbioblank Jul 02 16:43:33 Weiss: as it seems andy isn't available for questions any more, your best bet is raste anyway Jul 02 16:43:56 yeah Jul 02 16:44:12 i'd like to understand all the userspace interactions going on (who is calling ioctls, etc) Jul 02 16:44:14 5 commits yesterday Jul 02 16:44:28 hmm... someone knows, when appox. project b will be announced? Jul 02 16:47:07 I'd guess never Jul 02 16:48:53 heyho Jul 02 16:49:04 DocScrutinizer: that would be odd. I see real repository with real code for project B, with good activity :x Jul 02 16:49:06 dos1: btw, which commits? pointer? Jul 02 16:49:12 DocScrutinizer: no no no no :> Jul 02 16:49:30 DocScrutinizer: but it's easy to find :D Jul 02 16:49:47 it's very easy to find, what exactly project b is Jul 02 16:50:00 but i don't want to discover anything ;) Jul 02 16:50:01 I know, just wanted to make sure you're actually talking about B, not core Jul 02 16:50:16 s/discover/hmm... dunno what better word i could use :P/ Jul 02 16:50:16 dos1 meant: but i don't want to hmm... dunno what better word i could use :P anything ;) Jul 02 16:50:31 say to people here :D Jul 02 16:50:46 honestly, B is so exciting to me like a sack of rice in china Jul 02 16:51:27 i only what to know it's price Jul 02 16:51:32 s/what/want/ Jul 02 16:51:34 dos1 meant: i only want to know it's price Jul 02 16:56:23 DocScrutinizer: I will send you some pictures of my broken testpad in the next few days (currently I don't have any suitable camera available) Jul 02 16:56:50 morphis: ok Jul 02 16:57:56 DocScrutinizer: some other person I asked about that told be to use epoxy harz to fix the testpad on pcb Jul 02 16:58:15 nah, use acrylic Jul 02 16:58:41 ok Jul 02 16:58:43 epoxy is a mess Jul 02 16:58:47 :) Jul 02 17:00:17 place a siutable small qty to tip of a toothpic or match, then apply. So you'll avoid to get excess glue on the pcb Jul 02 17:00:39 qty? Jul 02 17:00:45 quantity Jul 02 17:01:01 ok Jul 02 17:03:09 press the testpoint py a waxed match or slightly greased plastic stick, so it doesn't glue to the testpoint and removes it when you lift the match/stick Jul 02 17:04:03 anyway all this has limited benefit if testpoint is detached from trace Jul 02 17:04:19 I hope it is not Jul 02 17:04:38 be very carefull not to change this while glueing it ;-) Jul 02 17:05:29 I hope I do not break the whole phone with this Jul 02 17:06:27 few chances to break anythimg beyond testpoint itself Jul 02 17:06:39 great Jul 02 17:07:09 breaking the testpad is annoying enough ... Jul 02 17:07:20 but I will see Jul 02 17:10:31 DocScrutinizer: thank you so far Jul 02 17:17:19 khiraly1: Scrap my last remark... Jul 02 17:17:32 After booting my FR, GSM did not work any more. Jul 02 17:17:39 ChristW: hmm? Jul 02 17:17:45 scrap? Jul 02 17:18:04 On incoming call, vibrator worked, but no audio, was not able to pick up the phone. Jul 02 17:18:28