**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 03 02:59:57 2009 Jul 03 04:41:44 tracfeed: Ticket #539 (There should be the ability to mute and control other volume setting ...) created Jul 03 06:01:01 http://infoworld.com/d/mobilize/apple-patching-serious-sms-vulnerability-iphone-934 Jul 03 08:16:10 good morning Jul 03 08:28:59 ptitjes: hey, morning Jul 03 08:29:03 how's life? Jul 03 08:29:34 heya moku! Jul 03 08:29:40 fine thanks and for you ? Jul 03 08:29:47 fine, fine :) Jul 03 08:30:09 apart from missing asynchronity ;) Jul 03 08:30:52 what ? Jul 03 08:31:00 don't know what you're talking about! Jul 03 08:31:03 ;) Jul 03 08:31:17 yeah, I know :P Jul 03 08:32:08 mrmoku: do you know if the devel list is dead ? Jul 03 08:32:40 devel list? do we have a devel list? you should have told me ;) Jul 03 08:32:54 there is no activity there for 6 days now :( Jul 03 08:33:03 héhéhéhé Jul 03 08:33:46 you mean devel or core list? Jul 03 08:33:56 devel Jul 03 08:34:09 and yeah 8 days on core :) Jul 03 08:34:27 arff Jul 03 08:34:33 I'm trying to make a todo list Jul 03 08:34:45 good thing Jul 03 08:34:51 there is a terrible number of items on it Jul 03 08:34:54 :( Jul 03 08:34:55 bad ting Jul 03 08:34:57 +h Jul 03 08:34:59 :) Jul 03 08:38:10 playya: any news of ObjectPath/Object substitution ? Jul 03 08:53:37 something wrong with CIA agent? Jul 03 08:53:56 i've just send three commits (two for shr-settings and one for frameworkd-config-shr :x) Jul 03 09:14:28 mickey|bbiab: ping Jul 03 09:15:17 mickey|bbiab: why do the values for is gconf borked in Om2009.t5 ? Jul 03 09:20:59 <[Rui]> The following, is just by using gconftool-2: Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Jul 03 09:21:24 [Rui]: nah... ignore that one Jul 03 09:21:51 <[Rui]> mrmoku: yeah but... there's another one I can't, though :) Jul 03 09:22:22 <[Rui]> mrmoku: elmdentica doesn't crash on my laptop, but on the openmoko it blows right at the begging of using gconf Jul 03 09:22:39 <[Rui]> (process:2041): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: gtype.c:2458: initialization assertion failed, use IA__g_type_init() prior to this function Jul 03 09:22:40 <[Rui]> (process:2041): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: cannot retrieve class for invalid (unclassed) type `' Jul 03 09:23:11 that's different then Jul 03 09:23:31 <[Rui]> yeah, but I thought they may be related, like some problem in gconf or something Jul 03 09:24:52 opimd is slooooooooow Jul 03 09:24:55 subsystem opimd took 105.50 seconds to startup Jul 03 09:25:01 with ~1400 messages Jul 03 09:25:02 no, the first one is a debug logger inside dbus to remind everybody that dbus bindings are doing things wrong Jul 03 09:25:03 :( Jul 03 09:25:11 and merging disabled Jul 03 09:27:05 <[Rui]> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. Jul 03 09:27:05 <[Rui]> 0x401beb18 in g_object_newv () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 Jul 03 09:27:05 <[Rui]> (gdb) bt Jul 03 09:27:05 <[Rui]> #0 0x401beb18 in g_object_newv () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 Jul 03 09:27:05 <[Rui]> #1 0x401bf710 in g_object_new_valist () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 Jul 03 09:27:05 <[Rui]> #2 0x401bf788 in g_object_new () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 Jul 03 09:27:07 <[Rui]> #3 0x4015b6f0 in gconf_client_get_default () from /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4 Jul 03 09:27:07 dos1: and how long with merging enabled? :o Jul 03 09:27:09 <[Rui]> #4 0x0000da50 in ?? () Jul 03 09:27:11 <[Rui]> Cannot access memory at address 0x0 Jul 03 09:27:22 <[Rui]> mrmoku: this is _really_ worrying fir me :) Jul 03 09:27:34 <[Rui]> it's all in the libraries :( Jul 03 09:27:41 agg1n: really LONGER. but merging isn't as needed in messages as in contacts :P Jul 03 09:27:50 so it can be disabled even as default i think Jul 03 09:28:02 but we need some optimalizations... Jul 03 09:31:45 dos1: where is the code that does executed on subsystem startup? Jul 03 09:32:09 agg1n: not that code is evil - evil is register_message Jul 03 09:32:20 on init just all backends are initialized Jul 03 09:32:29 and they are registering items Jul 03 09:33:19 but i don't know, if that loading items should be called after entering mainloop, or while opimd init :x Jul 03 09:47:02 <[Rui]> aha! Jul 03 09:47:11 <[Rui]> it seems I need g_type_init() Jul 03 09:47:39 <[Rui]> you can use gconf without gtk but there are so many gotchas, I wish they were more clearly documented. Jul 03 10:01:33 mrmoku: should i disable pager animation in elementary-theme-sixteen? Jul 03 10:01:49 if you ask me... yes :) Jul 03 10:02:11 i have it already disabled locally Jul 03 10:02:13 ;) Jul 03 10:02:15 we have to disable all that fancy stuff to get some speed Jul 03 10:07:38 mrmoku: hoversel has now also disabled animations ;) Jul 03 10:08:22 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rce3f6d172da5 10/ (shr-settings shr_settings_modules/shr_imageinfo.py): [ImageInfo] new module Jul 03 10:08:32 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r79d957844b4d 10/shr_settings_modules/ (shr_about.py shr_help.py): [About][Help] fix those to work Jul 03 10:08:33 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r1611f498a1d2 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/ (om-gta01/rules.yaml om-gta02/rules.yaml rules.yaml): frameworkd-config-shr: uncomment OccupyResource on incoming call - we're now using fsousaged which doesn't have bug with that. Jul 03 10:10:15 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r582226ee2e4b 10/elementary/elementary-theme-sixteen/sixteen.edc: elementary-theme-sixteen: disable animations Jul 03 10:10:16 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rf4c8398a610f 10/elementary/elementary-theme-sixteen/images/sl_units.png: elementary-theme-sixteen: use simpler units background with sliders Jul 03 10:13:24 I am trying to build a custom kernel (linux-openmoko-shr-devel) and have successfully Jul 03 10:13:37 compiled it - what bitbake commands do I need to get Jul 03 10:14:03 it intro a normal make image? - bitbake -c deploy ? Jul 03 10:18:31 dos1: now take your time and relax - started build of new images and feed --> Don't want any new commits the next hour ;) Jul 03 10:18:51 mrmoku: i'm playing with theme now Jul 03 10:19:01 are sixteen themes in feed now? Jul 03 10:19:05 yep Jul 03 10:19:15 mrmoku: but did you fix elementary theme recipe? Jul 03 10:19:29 I think so... yeah, let me recheck Jul 03 10:19:52 yes, of course I did ;) Jul 03 10:20:01 yep, i see Jul 03 10:20:34 but i'll commit anyway to elementary-theme-sixteen :D Jul 03 10:20:46 it's not in image, so everything ok Jul 03 10:21:01 dos1, well.. you still have some time until it starts to build it... so go ahead Jul 03 10:21:08 it won't be in the image Jul 03 10:21:10 not yet Jul 03 10:21:21 just in the feed for people to try it out Jul 03 10:21:33 ahh... Jul 03 10:21:41 * mrmoku should read more carefully :P Jul 03 10:37:33 how's latest unstable now? Jul 03 10:37:43 building :P Jul 03 10:37:44 is it a good day to upgrade? Jul 03 10:37:59 been a while since last time Jul 03 10:38:18 maybe i'll should wait then till it finnished Jul 03 10:38:31 yep Jul 03 10:56:54 mrmoku, when do you expect the image + feeds build to finish? I'm going tonorrow to the Buzz fix Party in Madrid and hope upgrade works well :D Jul 03 11:10:11 how to check an uSDcard for epic fails? Jul 03 11:10:22 hellot there Jul 03 11:10:25 hai Jul 03 11:12:13 i saw that you can now use fso-abyss under shr.. this is good news, i was suffering from #2264 bug.. Let's see if i can stay online the whole afternoon :) Jul 03 11:14:12 mrmoku: :D Jul 03 11:14:25 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r846a1475d620 10/elementary/elementary-theme-sixteen/images/ (bt_sm_base1.png bt_sm_hilight.png ilist_1.png ilist_2.png): elementary-theme-sixteen: make scrollbar and lists looking good Jul 03 11:14:25 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r1e8bdc74912d 10/elementary/elementary-theme-sixteen/images/ (bt_dis_base.png bt_dis_hilight.png): elementary-theme-sixteen: make inwin's background looking better Jul 03 11:14:26 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r28cfa971fdf1 10/elementary/elementary-theme-sixteen/images/dia_grad.png: elementary-theme-sixteen: make window background looking good Jul 03 11:14:27 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * ra79f9ba3004f 10/elementary/elementary-theme-sixteen/images/shad_circ.png: elementary-theme-sixteen: make circle shadows looking good Jul 03 11:14:42 dos1, is there a preview of this theme? Jul 03 11:15:01 TAsn: it looks the same as default Jul 03 11:15:12 TAsn: it has animations disabled and looks good also in x11-16 Jul 03 11:15:28 latest screens on scap show that theme ;) Jul 03 11:15:42 cool, testing Jul 03 11:15:44 thanks Jul 03 11:16:12 oh, and keyboard buttons are changed a little Jul 03 11:16:22 yeah, just noticed Jul 03 11:16:27 anyhow, the theme is sweet, cool :) Jul 03 11:16:46 TAsn: all screens are with x11-16 engine :) Jul 03 11:16:53 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0387c4e690dc245adbe5a8564774c0ae.png Jul 03 11:16:54 ^ Jul 03 11:16:55 eve? Jul 03 11:17:00 shr-settings too Jul 03 11:17:17 does eve work? Jul 03 11:17:23 dos1, looks impressive Jul 03 11:17:31 is it amazingly fast? Jul 03 11:17:37 it works, but dunno if it's buildable via OE Jul 03 11:17:44 TAsn: it's amazingly faster than x11 ;) Jul 03 11:17:58 can you tell the different (in looks that is) Jul 03 11:18:45 difference* Jul 03 11:18:45 just some not reworked by now things are ugly Jul 03 11:18:59 as default theme in x11-16 Jul 03 11:19:56 but from noticable things i think the only remaining are bubbles :P Jul 03 11:20:04 :) Jul 03 11:20:09 dos1: you know what looks ugly? Jul 03 11:20:14 and maybe hoversel Jul 03 11:20:25 PaulFertser: ? Jul 03 11:20:35 dos1: top-posting Jul 03 11:20:39 dos1: :P Jul 03 11:20:41 oh, i know Jul 03 11:20:55 gmail html interface + links from freerunner :P Jul 03 11:21:11 when i'm on PC, i'm always changing it Jul 03 11:21:12 Oh, poor fella Jul 03 11:21:21 PaulFertser, lol. Jul 03 11:21:39 is it best to use ext2 or ext3 on / for shr? I got bad experience with ext2 when my phone fails and dies, must put the SD card in my laptop and run fsck.ext2 :( Jul 03 11:21:52 dos1: do you suggest that it's the default posting style with gmail web interface? Oh :-/ Jul 03 11:21:59 fredrin: i'm using ext3 Jul 03 11:22:08 PaulFertser: yes, top-posting is default in gmail :( Jul 03 11:22:30 fredrin, I also use ext3 Jul 03 11:22:33 dos1: do you also know they prohibit receiving and sending files that they consider to be windows binaries? Jul 03 11:22:34 and I crash my phone a lot Jul 03 11:22:38 nothing bad happened yet. Jul 03 11:22:44 fredrin: +1 for ext3 Jul 03 11:22:46 * fredrin will follow the herd and swithc Jul 03 11:22:55 PaulFertser: i know Jul 03 11:23:09 dos1: have you tried using mutt on FR? Jul 03 11:23:14 mutt? Jul 03 11:23:17 PaulFertser, mutt? Jul 03 11:23:32 dos1: yes, all MUAs suck. "This one just sucks less". Jul 03 11:23:46 http://www.mutt.org/ Jul 03 11:23:47 ? Jul 03 11:23:50 dos1: the best console stand-alone MUA. With IMAP support. Jul 03 11:24:33 TAsn: exactly Jul 03 11:24:43 hmm Jul 03 11:24:46 i'll try Jul 03 11:25:04 * TAsn doesn't like console apps on the FR. Jul 03 11:25:06 dos1: take 1.5 "dev" series. Everybody uses them for years. Jul 03 11:25:13 TAsn: no shit :) Jul 03 11:25:20 though I guess taht's because the keyboard (ts) is a bit broken. Jul 03 11:25:26 TAsn: you know, i've tried and vim, mutt, mcabber etc proved to be useable. Jul 03 11:25:34 i like to ride my bike and type sms at the same time Jul 03 11:25:59 in the traffic Jul 03 11:26:04 fredrin, I was actually talking about MY ts Jul 03 11:26:06 which is broken Jul 03 11:26:09 :) Jul 03 11:26:16 or should I say Jul 03 11:26:16 :( Jul 03 11:26:22 bottom left part doesn't work well. Jul 03 11:26:23 :| Jul 03 11:26:31 TAsn: how did you broke it? Jul 03 11:27:05 put it in my pocket, screen pointed away from my body Jul 03 11:27:14 and stumbled into a corner of a table Jul 03 11:27:17 quite hard actually. Jul 03 11:27:36 so the corner hit my ts Jul 03 11:27:45 and since then, my ts hasn't been the same ;) Jul 03 11:27:54 TAsn: oh Jul 03 11:27:58 yeah. Jul 03 11:27:59 ;( Jul 03 11:28:21 though DocScrutinizer says it may be fixable with a good driver Jul 03 11:28:33 TAsn: have you seen iPAQs with detachable transparent plastic protection? I think it'd be nice to have one for FR. Jul 03 11:28:39 will have to check that out more thoroughly Jul 03 11:28:51 PaulFertser, no I haven't. Jul 03 11:29:26 TAsn: look carefully at http://img.tomshardware.com/de/2005/02/23/luxurioeser_business_pda_hp_ipaq_hx4700/hx4700.jpg Jul 03 11:29:53 I can see it Jul 03 11:30:06 though I don't think it gotta be plastic Jul 03 11:30:21 TAsn: what else can it be? Jul 03 11:30:26 I mean, there are two reasonable solutions that could have prevented my accident Jul 03 11:30:41 the first (which I'm doing atm) is putting the screen facing my body Jul 03 11:30:50 the second, any kind of case Jul 03 11:31:01 for example, the leather case they sell in tuxbrain. Jul 03 11:31:22 leather :( Jul 03 11:31:56 in the medieval age they used leather as a body armor. Jul 03 11:32:06 so I think it's suitable for moko use :) Jul 03 11:32:36 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r060495f1ddcf 10/elementary/elementary-theme-sixteen/images/hoversel_entry_bg.png: elementary-theme-sixteen: make hoversel selection looking good Jul 03 11:33:28 TAsn, I've the leather case, works really well :D Jul 03 11:33:56 Sharwin_F, I should get mine soon Jul 03 11:34:06 not sure whether I'll use it or not Jul 03 11:34:14 probably will use it only is specific cases Jul 03 11:35:11 anyhow, I'm off. Jul 03 11:35:38 TAsn, really handy, cause lets you wear the OM on the belt Jul 03 11:38:10 I rarely use a belt Jul 03 11:40:38 TAsn: i really wished they choosed more ethical material for a FR case :( Jul 03 11:40:59 ;\ Jul 03 11:41:04 I can agree on that. Jul 03 11:41:56 PaulFertser, sry to not understanding, but i just logged in... isn't the material ethical? Jul 03 11:42:18 s/understanding/understand Jul 03 11:42:28 pieterc: i consider unethical using leather unless absolutely necessary Jul 03 11:42:41 oh yes, that case Jul 03 11:43:16 yes, you're right on that one Jul 03 11:44:05 pieterc: :D at least someone agrees with me Jul 03 11:44:12 TAsn: thank you too. Jul 03 11:44:50 I just think a project like this SHOULD be considered about matters like that Jul 03 11:45:04 we should start plant a cow project (cf plant a tree by dell) Jul 03 11:45:44 adopt a cow by buying a freerunner ^^ Jul 03 11:46:55 imho cow leather is not unethical Jul 03 11:47:23 we kill them because we want to eat it. so why not use the rest of the cow Jul 03 11:48:18 playya: what's with your build? i've got the same result as yesterday Jul 03 11:48:57 libewebkit.so gets installed. the headers not :( Jul 03 11:49:11 strange Jul 03 11:49:57 but the headers are in the install dir Jul 03 11:50:12 but not in the stagging dir? Jul 03 11:50:53 yes Jul 03 11:51:11 Heinervdm, -> #neo1973-germany Jul 03 11:51:20 playya, we also kill other people at war, do you consider using their skin for a FR case ethical? Jul 03 11:51:42 no. but thats a difference Jul 03 11:51:48 s/a FR/an FR/ Jul 03 11:51:48 TAsn meant: playya, we also kill other people at war, do you consider using their skin for an FR case ethical? Jul 03 11:51:58 TAsn, they used to make soap of jews, why not FR cases? ;) Jul 03 11:52:11 pieterc, exactly :) Jul 03 11:52:17 playya: _you_ want to eat them. I don't. Jul 03 11:52:17 just thinking economically... Jul 03 11:52:41 PaulFertser, would you use an FR made from human skin? Jul 03 11:52:48 TAsn, yes economically! that's why we're doing this FOSS thing anyway ;) Jul 03 11:52:57 TAsn: no, your reasoning is correct. Jul 03 11:53:01 available in black/white/red/yellow/and tanned colors :) Jul 03 11:53:32 New: Freerunner wrinkles! Jul 03 11:53:39 pieterc, I wonder if they still sell jewish soap Jul 03 11:53:52 TAsn, I hope not lol Jul 03 11:54:01 not newly made Jul 03 11:54:15 I mean for collectors. Jul 03 11:54:15 oh, ofcourse they don't... Jul 03 11:54:24 that's quite... unethical Jul 03 11:54:27 I wonder if it's still available Jul 03 11:54:40 TAsn, no way it is Jul 03 11:55:05 mrmoku: QA log: evil hides inside the .la, staging, /staging/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libode.la Jul 03 11:55:12 pieterc, I've been in concentration camps in poland, and I have seen many artifacts they still keep for historical/educational reasons, so why not soaps? Jul 03 11:55:22 hm Jul 03 11:55:24 like that Jul 03 11:56:59 huh? Jul 03 11:57:02 uhu Jul 03 11:57:08 s/uhu/huh/ Jul 03 11:57:09 dos1 meant: huh Jul 03 11:57:20 Oświęcim Jul 03 11:57:24 dos1, btw, have you been in polish concentration camps? Jul 03 11:57:30 TAsn: yep Jul 03 11:57:33 but Jul 03 11:57:33 which? Jul 03 11:57:49 how can soap made out of jews? o_o Jul 03 11:57:54 don't say "polish concentration camps" Jul 03 11:57:59 agg1n, we are multi-purpose Jul 03 11:58:09 but "concentration camps in poland" Jul 03 11:58:15 dos1, sorry, german in polish camps Jul 03 11:58:24 poland* Jul 03 11:58:27 bah. Jul 03 11:58:33 i were in Oświęcim Jul 03 11:58:35 you got what I mean :( Jul 03 11:58:50 I can't even read all of those accents :) Jul 03 11:59:02 though I guess I never been there Jul 03 11:59:11 TAsn: i got, but our government really doesn't like that sentence :P Jul 03 11:59:14 been only to the more "famous" ones. Jul 03 11:59:34 dos1, they shouldn't, as it's not your (country) fault. Jul 03 11:59:47 I mean, I agree with them. Jul 03 11:59:49 ;) Jul 03 12:00:02 TAsn: Oświęcim was the biggest camp in Poland Jul 03 12:00:27 with "Arbeit macht frei" label Jul 03 12:00:40 oh Jul 03 12:00:42 auschwitz Jul 03 12:00:57 (I know the german name, not the polish geographical name) Jul 03 12:01:01 yeah, been there :) Jul 03 12:01:19 yep, auschwitz Jul 03 12:01:27 amazing place. Jul 03 12:02:16 amazing place is an interesting wording Jul 03 12:02:26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp Jul 03 12:02:43 it's "amazing", but in negative sense Jul 03 12:02:54 dos1, aye. Jul 03 12:03:27 Gorbusch, I lacked better wording. Jul 03 12:03:32 * DocScrutinizer wonders how long it will take til palestinians have to wear some sign to make their status obvious. Jul 03 12:03:42 i know, have the same problems some times in english Jul 03 12:03:51 DocScrutinizer, actually, I agree with you on this one. Jul 03 12:04:00 its difficult when you are not writing in your own language Jul 03 12:04:04 we have a saying here about the holocaust Jul 03 12:04:13 "Forgive but never forget" Jul 03 12:04:23 though I think the israeli ppl have long forgot about the holocaust Jul 03 12:04:52 and tagging palestininas in not that far away. Jul 03 12:05:30 hmm, i'm not sure i would forgive the person who have done it, no matter which country. But to held the ancestors responsible for what was done before their time is not right Jul 03 12:05:45 TAsn: about "polish camps" - AFAIK there is huge amount of (mostly young) jews that doesn't know those were german camps in poland. they only know about "polish camps" Jul 03 12:06:25 dos1, polish jews? Jul 03 12:06:37 TAsn: no. "tourists" Jul 03 12:06:51 Gorbusch, I agree on the second part. Jul 03 12:06:56 (huh, i don't know how to explain it better in english) Jul 03 12:06:58 though I'm a forgiving person Jul 03 12:07:43 I have yet encountered someone I wasn't able to forgive something he has done. Jul 03 12:07:57 though on the other end, no one ever murdered my whole family in malicious ways. Jul 03 12:08:12 dos1, including israelis? Jul 03 12:08:30 here we have holocaust studies Jul 03 12:08:44 so I think people know a thing or two about the holocaust Jul 03 12:08:46 TAsn: there was material in TV about that - young jews from Israel (AFAIR) on tour in Poland, and jew tour guider(?) saying only "polish camps" Jul 03 12:09:21 dos1, that doesn't mean they don't know it's not really polish camps Jul 03 12:09:22 and that young jews asked about that didn't know that those were "german camps in poland" Jul 03 12:09:32 well, ^^^ ;P Jul 03 12:09:34 really? that's odd. Jul 03 12:09:44 anyhow, as you saw Jul 03 12:09:48 I also say polish camps Jul 03 12:09:53 although I know it's not correct Jul 03 12:10:05 though it's more convenient than saying Jul 03 12:10:06 they looked ~14-16 years old Jul 03 12:10:20 "german camps on polish lands" Jul 03 12:10:21 :) Jul 03 12:12:01 BTW. "nice" offtopic :D Jul 03 12:12:06 dos1, one last Q, did you go to auschwitz by yourself or with your school Jul 03 12:12:16 TAsn: with school Jul 03 12:12:42 dos1, this topic requires a lot of "bad" wording :) Jul 03 12:12:47 dos1, cool. Jul 03 12:12:48 well, to me it seems a lot of israelis know *only* about the very specific way their ancestors were treated bad (=exact procedure they were killed) but not even know about the general situation where a whole people was going mad (actually half the world) in not respecting their neighbours' rights. Jul 03 12:13:40 TAsn: school "trips" to Auschwitz are quite common here i think Jul 03 12:13:46 DocScrutinizer, actually, here we holocaust and WW1+2 studies as required topics for high school matriculation Jul 03 12:14:04 otherwise those israelis would be shocked how similar their own countries behaviour is to what happend back then Jul 03 12:14:12 drop the we Jul 03 12:14:28 DocScrutinizer, that's the thing Jul 03 12:14:36 I can't see how everyone else don't get it. Jul 03 12:14:50 yup Jul 03 12:14:51 I often compare how it was back then to how it is now Jul 03 12:14:55 ptitjes: (annotation dbus) no idea, to be honest. I took this line from some other dbus xml spec and adjusted the value accordingly Jul 03 12:14:59 and people just fail to see it Jul 03 12:15:08 even when I point it out Jul 03 12:15:11 I guess they just don't want to believe Jul 03 12:15:34 mickey|ICE625: IMHO it should be value="true", am I wrong ? Jul 03 12:15:59 ptitjes: i have yet to see a proper documentation of the dbus xml specs, so you may be right Jul 03 12:16:15 @TAsn, do you already have tought about your ticket #446 and how to make things nicer? Jul 03 12:16:32 mickey|ICE625: in fact, it seems to me fso_usage have no meaning in the XML... Jul 03 12:16:41 DocScrutinizer, I really think the situation here is bad, starting from abuse and ending with public feelings about this topic, though as I said, no one will listen, everyone have excuses for what they are doing. Jul 03 12:16:49 mickey|ICE625: but I haven't read any DBus XML spec neither :p Jul 03 12:16:53 Gorbusch, alphabet list? Jul 03 12:17:08 @TAsn, battery gadget Jul 03 12:17:14 sec, mine? Jul 03 12:17:37 ptitjes: i guess we would need to look into the source of dbus-binding-tool or whatever the glib pendant is called Jul 03 12:17:43 ptitjes: is ophonekitd-vala ready to be used image? Jul 03 12:17:43 ftw Jul 03 12:17:43 sec, checking Jul 03 12:17:45 oh Jul 03 12:18:02 not mine Jul 03 12:18:05 reported by me :) Jul 03 12:18:12 TAsn: my granny alsa was very excusive about her behaviour during WW-2 Jul 03 12:18:14 first of all Jul 03 12:18:17 should be two D Jul 03 12:18:18 dos1: working on using dbus async correctly Jul 03 12:18:19 also Jul 03 12:18:28 DocScrutinizer, where are you from? Jul 03 12:18:43 coburg, germany Jul 03 12:18:49 DocScrutinizer, but she didn't have WW-2 to compare to Jul 03 12:18:59 current israelies do have. Jul 03 12:19:08 they can see what this kind of behavior leads to. Jul 03 12:19:22 TAsn: (compare) granted Jul 03 12:19:23 tracfeed: Ticket #533 (erminig unusable) updated Jul 03 12:19:48 or at least _should_ have Jul 03 12:19:52 Gorbusch, it should be 2D and not 3d, and maybe more solid/distinct, i.e more like nokia battery bars (the use of bars is good) Jul 03 12:20:08 they don't get told nearly enough at school about it, it seems Jul 03 12:20:14 mickey|bbiab, you can look into the dtd: http://standards.freedesktop.org/dbus/1.0/introspect.dtd Jul 03 12:20:22 DocScrutinizer, did she do anything bad? or just didn't do anything? Jul 03 12:20:41 didn't do anything Jul 03 12:20:43 DocScrutinizer, to tell you the truth, I can't see myself doing anything at that time as well. The times were rough Jul 03 12:20:59 Helping/hiding jews is one thing Jul 03 12:21:15 though actively doing something is too risky Jul 03 12:21:21 and when you have a family to take care of Jul 03 12:21:29 TAsn, Gorbusch: do what you want with battery - just keep displaying details after clicking on it please :) Jul 03 12:21:29 it's easy not to rebel. Jul 03 12:21:37 ++ Jul 03 12:21:40 ptitjes: that doesN#t really help as the metadata is not listed here. our syntax is ok, but the semantics is in question :) Jul 03 12:21:53 DocScrutinizer, btw, did she vote for the nazi party? Jul 03 12:21:56 @dos1, wouldn't remove this feature, use it quite often Jul 03 12:22:05 TAsn: have you seen battery widget in plasma? (KDE4) Jul 03 12:22:21 TAsn: she refused to talk much about that time Jul 03 12:22:50 mickey|ICE625: so, in vala-dbus-binding-tool, I just look if that annotation is present but do not care of the value Jul 03 12:22:58 DocScrutinizer, I wonder if that will ever happen to me (refusing to talk about today in 50 years or so) Jul 03 12:23:04 dos1, link/pic please :) Jul 03 12:23:45 TAsn: http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=741 Jul 03 12:23:51 thanks. Jul 03 12:23:58 TAsn: (but looking at my panel i think that reflection is gone :P) Jul 03 12:24:12 dos1, btw, do you agree about the 2d vs 3d? Jul 03 12:24:20 sweet Jul 03 12:24:30 TAsn: i would like to see something like in kde4 ;) Jul 03 12:24:42 maybe coloring should change to conform with the theme Jul 03 12:24:45 but this one is great Jul 03 12:25:02 dos1, it's easy, all you need to do is rip the pics. Jul 03 12:25:38 but that bar color changing is also sweet :P Jul 03 12:25:48 ptitjes: right. if you want, you can do a 'sed' job to transfer all fso_foo into true in the annotation line Jul 03 12:25:54 i can also do it when I'm back home Jul 03 12:26:04 dos1, oh, color changes? Jul 03 12:26:06 nice! Jul 03 12:26:13 Gorbusch, we have a winner. Jul 03 12:26:14 :) Jul 03 12:26:28 mickey|ICE625: I let you do it because I don't really know sed Jul 03 12:26:33 btw Gorbusch it's easy to change Jul 03 12:26:34