**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 19 02:59:57 2009 Jul 19 09:13:18 i have some problems to use the dbus in the latest fso-milestone, python gives me: 'module' object has no attribute 'SystemBus' Jul 19 09:13:43 what happened to the SystemBus? Jul 19 09:17:43 good morning Jul 19 09:34:46 'module' object has no attribute 'SystemBus', is this error because of changes in the dbus or just because of missing python-modules? Jul 19 09:39:29 does anyone know a answer? i want to use the dbus Jul 19 09:46:11 FYI: I have committed the patches against evas and edje upstream Jul 19 09:46:15 morning folks Jul 19 09:46:29 i think there seems to be something wrong. if you try to change settings the changes are not persistent (om2009, fso-milestone V5) Jul 19 09:52:04 anybody out there? Jul 19 10:01:35 I am usr Jul 19 10:01:43 but I also am "unable to help you" Jul 19 10:02:04 some changes in SHR-settings are also not persistent _I think_ Jul 19 10:02:58 well, more like: "they get saved, but you have to reopen the corresponding setting-app when you have rebooted for them to be active after reboot" Jul 19 10:04:54 in om2009 they go back to default after some seconds Jul 19 10:06:25 i think it has to do something with the screen-saver. after a few second you just have to tip the display and the settings for brightness are changed back to default Jul 19 10:15:17 hmm, once i've installed shr-git images, is there a best practice to get updates on the phone without the need to slap on a new image each build? Jul 19 10:17:42 http://www.opkg.org/package_252.html (Altishock) is quite funny :) Jul 19 10:34:50 some fso-developer inhere? Jul 19 10:36:06 a little early still Jul 19 10:37:05 so that's why i don't get answers ^^ Jul 19 10:38:00 the python thing? Jul 19 10:38:11 what are you importing? Jul 19 10:45:45 morning Jul 19 10:45:46 ;) Jul 19 10:45:53 mrmoku: i'm building navit without speech-dispatcher and with fixed config Jul 19 10:46:04 good boy Jul 19 10:46:16 and I'm rebuilding testing with correct distro :P Jul 19 10:46:24 if it'll work, i'll send patch Jul 19 10:46:28 mrmoku: openmoko? ;) Jul 19 10:46:35 distro? Jul 19 10:46:54 tmzt: i think it was "openmoko" set as DISTRO ;P Jul 19 10:46:58 but it should be "shr" Jul 19 10:47:02 ah Jul 19 10:47:17 :) Jul 19 10:47:21 SHR: 03mok 07shr-makefile * r5f8588a93527 10/Makefile: Makefile: setup correct DISTRO for shr-testing Jul 19 10:49:29 mrmoku: btw, did you change revisions of ophonekitd and frameworkd? Jul 19 10:50:27 dos1, backwards, yes ;) Jul 19 10:52:15 dos1, btw. current frameworkd gives me syntax errors in ogsmd/device.py Jul 19 10:52:26 dos1, do you have that too? Jul 19 10:52:57 mrmoku: backwards? you chosed old ophonekitd, fix for build error was in next commit ;p Jul 19 10:53:06 and there are important fixes Jul 19 10:53:26 about frameworkd - i'll check Jul 19 10:53:37 mrmoku: could you send me traceback? Jul 19 10:54:21 i'm still searching for a fso/dbus-developer Jul 19 10:54:33 2009.07.18 22:43:03.307 frameworkd.subsystem ERROR could not import device.py: invalid syntax (device.py, line 624) Jul 19 10:57:31 mickeyl, any idea about that one? ^^^ Jul 19 10:57:38 mrmoku: here there is no error with that file... Jul 19 10:57:50 mrmoku: and line 624 looks ok Jul 19 10:57:58 frameworkd - 0.9.5.9+gitr1527+744d1716f51c3f10ab3e22d8e28e69bed997b1ba-r0 - Jul 19 10:58:16 #File "dbus.py", line 2, in # import dbus# File "/media/card/python/dbus.py", line 4, in # bus = dbus.SystemBus()#AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'SystemBus' Jul 19 10:59:29 mediator.PdpGetCurrentGprsClass( self, dbus_ok, dbus_error ) Jul 19 10:59:44 how do i get hooked on the dbus with python? Jul 19 11:00:17 usr: rename your file Jul 19 11:00:42 usr: it can't be dbus.py, cause then when you do "import dbus" it imports itself (or other file in the same directory called dbus :P) Jul 19 11:02:06 which name would you like? "./bla.py", line 2, in import dbus... Jul 19 11:02:33 usr: what happends with bla.py? Jul 19 11:02:49 usr: (of course you don't have now dbus.py in the same directory ;P) Jul 19 11:03:08 'module' object has no attribute 'SystemBus' Jul 19 11:03:30 http://pastebin.com/d1ebc0f62 Jul 19 11:04:27 usr: why don't you listen? Jul 19 11:04:31 usr: rm /media/card/python/dbus.py Jul 19 11:05:55 sry.... Jul 19 11:07:22 mrmoku: hmm, let me check that line Jul 19 11:08:14 mrmoku: looks good here, may have been destroyed somehow on your flash? Jul 19 11:08:24 mrmoku: can you diff it against head? Jul 19 11:08:29 [on your device] Jul 19 11:11:31 so next question, why is the brightness restored back to 100% when i touch the display? Jul 19 11:11:47 mickeyl, I checked odevice.py and it has exact the same line #624 Jul 19 11:11:54 maybe its .opy destroyed? Jul 19 11:11:57 * mrmoku deletes that Jul 19 11:12:24 .pyo Jul 19 11:12:28 usr: are you using fso? Jul 19 11:12:29 ya, could be a miscompile Jul 19 11:12:46 usr: or om2009? Jul 19 11:12:50 hmm... no still the same Jul 19 11:12:52 (i suggest shr :P) Jul 19 11:12:58 yes i'm but i got the same on om2009 even if i was using paroli to do the settings Jul 19 11:13:26 will enable DEBUG and examine the log... Jul 19 11:13:42 usr: om2009 handles backlight incorrectly Jul 19 11:13:54 usr: shr does it right way (xset) Jul 19 11:15:22 dos1: you have seen the code? but i'm not able to change the brightness down to 20% using dbus? do i have to use xset? Jul 19 11:15:26 ok... lunch first Jul 19 11:15:45 usr: no, changing backlight level should be done via dbus Jul 19 11:15:56 usr: but blanking on idle shouldn't be handled by that dbus method ;P Jul 19 11:16:36 mickeyl, lots of no plugin: factory function not found in module ... Jul 19 11:16:37 normal? Jul 19 11:16:56 yes, fso 1 still scans every file and looks for a factory method Jul 19 11:17:24 (one of the reason why startup is so slow btw.) Jul 19 11:17:26 ok Jul 19 11:17:35 will take a close look after lunc Jul 19 11:17:36 bbiab Jul 19 11:17:39 okies Jul 19 11:17:48 btw. Jul 19 11:17:54 if you want to get additional startup speed Jul 19 11:17:59 you can use 'configure' as scan method Jul 19 11:18:07 and list every plugin you want to load Jul 19 11:18:13 this will get you a couple of seconds Jul 19 11:18:28 mickeyl: hmm Jul 19 11:18:33 at the expense of needing to change config whenever you add a new plugin Jul 19 11:18:34 how to list that plugins? Jul 19 11:18:45 adding a config section for it is enough Jul 19 11:19:13 [odeviced.kernel26] should load the kernel26 Jul 19 11:19:16 etc. Jul 19 11:19:28 hmm, do i have to use a loop to get my brightness permanent on 20%? Jul 19 11:19:37 usr: just use shr :D Jul 19 11:19:56 mickeyl: how can i easly get list of modules? Jul 19 11:20:18 which app would i use on shr to set up wireless with wpa? Jul 19 11:20:59 usr: mokonnect Jul 19 11:21:06 try Jul 19 11:21:12 find . -name "*.py"|xargs grep "factory( prefix, controller )" Jul 19 11:23:07 i better hope it will work by default... Jul 19 11:23:07 mickeyl: if that's __init__.py file with factory method, then i don't have to add anything? Jul 19 11:23:18 i hate to waste time on essentials Jul 19 11:23:23 ^^ Jul 19 11:23:58 mickeyl: and what about framework/objectquery.py? others look ok ;) Jul 19 11:24:02 usr: i love to :P Jul 19 11:24:32 ok, time to eat something Jul 19 11:24:40 which rootfs do you recommend? Jul 19 11:24:40 hmm, (__init__.py) good question Jul 19 11:24:49 i might have to patch that Jul 19 11:24:59 mickeyl: that's in opimd Jul 19 11:40:25 2009.07.19 13:14:06.620 opimd WARNING SIM-Contacts-FSO: Could not request SIM phonebook from ogsmd : org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freesmartphone.ogsmd was not provided by any .service files Jul 19 11:50:49 mickeyl, ok, found it Jul 19 11:50:59 line 624 was not equal to source in my git repo Jul 19 11:51:04 one char different Jul 19 11:51:08 no idea why though Jul 19 11:55:44 is there a way for x-forwarding in shr? Jul 19 11:56:20 usr, people do that yeah Jul 19 11:56:28 don't know if you have to switch to openssh for that though Jul 19 11:56:32 never tried it myself Jul 19 11:57:49 i'll see, still flashing Jul 19 12:07:51 mrmoku: that warning should be ok, is after that "installing signal handlers"? Jul 19 12:10:34 mrmoku: testing navit package now Jul 19 12:11:29 guess my SD needs fscking... doing that now Jul 19 12:11:53 hmm, no errors Jul 19 12:12:47 "I managed to boot OpenMoko on the HTC-Dream (Android-Handy)." Jul 19 12:12:52 on community ml Jul 19 12:12:56 wow Jul 19 12:13:18 and devel Jul 19 12:18:34 tracfeed: Ticket #556 (Remove speech-dispatcher from navit dependences) updated || Ticket #556 (Remove speech-dispatcher from navit dependences) created Jul 19 12:25:25 PaulFertser: ping Jul 19 12:27:56 mrmoku: patches sent Jul 19 12:28:41 dos1: which bootloader are you using on the dream? Jul 19 12:28:55 mirko: i don't have htc dream ;P Jul 19 12:28:58 mirko: it was quote Jul 19 12:29:29 ah, sry Jul 19 12:29:41 mrmoku: i'll also tweak default config to be more usable on FR Jul 19 12:30:00 i got directed in here by somebody in #openmoko; [14:26] my phone keeps 'freezing' when going into suspend Jul 19 12:30:04 but that's later ;) Jul 19 12:30:07 i am using SHR Jul 19 12:30:17 ildip: freezing? Jul 19 12:30:28 dos1: it fails to suspend Jul 19 12:30:33 and gets 'stuck' Jul 19 12:30:44 ildip: but how does it look? Jul 19 12:30:46 i cannot do anything (that i know of) to get it out of the mode Jul 19 12:30:56 normally my FR only heats up, never seen it freeze anything :) Jul 19 12:30:57 the display it lit up, screen is garbage Jul 19 12:31:39 can i log suspend?, not sure how it works on the phone Jul 19 12:32:14 strange, here everything works ok Jul 19 12:32:19 ildip: do you have debug board? Jul 19 12:32:51 my friend borrowed mine and he is not around for a couple of weeks Jul 19 12:32:53 tracfeed: Ticket #556 (Remove speech-dispatcher from navit dependences) closed Jul 19 12:32:59 i almost never use it Jul 19 12:33:10 ildip: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/Status_Update_7#Best_way_to_hand_us_debug_logs Jul 19 12:33:24 thanks Jul 19 12:33:42 np Jul 19 12:33:55 how does suspend work? how does it get triggered? is it frameworkd that triggers it? Jul 19 12:33:56 Zorkman: i don't think log frmo frameworkd can help... Jul 19 12:34:13 can i manually run it? Jul 19 12:34:15 ah, sorry, thought it could be useful Jul 19 12:34:17 ildip: ophonekitd triggers it from ousaged (frameworkd) Jul 19 12:34:31 ildip: yes you can manually do it: hit power button and chose suspend Jul 19 12:35:55 g2g now, hope you get it fixed ildip Jul 19 12:36:17 hmm now it suspends Jul 19 12:36:48 ok thanks guys :) Jul 19 12:39:15 mickeyl: which frameworkd revision will be in ms5.5 release? Jul 19 12:46:06 hi, in how far it is possible to use 3d graphic chip/which package is recommended for opengl on the freerunner? Jul 19 12:46:21 TheXception: hihihi :P Jul 19 12:46:38 TheXception: you should use the xf86-video-glamo driver Jul 19 12:47:01 it's the best for now Jul 19 12:47:13 TheXception: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=xf86-video-glamo.git;a=summary Jul 19 12:47:16 i managed to get a opengl game running but it runs at awesome 1fps Jul 19 12:48:21 dos1: opimd ERROR SIM-Messages-FSO: Could not install signal handlers! Jul 19 12:49:44 mirko: thx Jul 19 12:51:03 dos1, --disable-speech-speech-dispatcher is actually correct? Jul 19 12:51:17 Q-Master: that also can be normal, could you send me whole log? Jul 19 12:51:30 mrmoku: that's --disable-MODULE-SUBMODULE Jul 19 12:51:39 dos1: the one I tagged some days ago Jul 19 12:51:40 mrmoku: other option can be --disable-speech-file Jul 19 12:51:41 ;) Jul 19 12:51:44 ok :) Jul 19 12:51:48 mickeyl: ok Jul 19 12:51:58 mrmoku: that option is from navit wiki ;) Jul 19 12:52:37 dos1, just looked strange to me ;P Jul 19 12:52:52 dos1: the problem is that i have no incoming smses at all Jul 19 12:53:19 dos1: yes. I can. how? Jul 19 12:53:24 Q-Master: pastebin Jul 19 12:56:27 dos1: http://pastebin.com/m77ef6513 Jul 19 12:59:48 Q-Master: weird Jul 19 13:00:04 Q-Master: opkg list_installed | grep frameworkd Jul 19 13:00:15 Q-Master: which revision of frameworkd do you have installed? Jul 19 13:00:52 dos1: 0.8.5.3+gitr1509+6133a62b3a5d4788a948f9389ca8b6d422109bbe-r0 Jul 19 13:04:45 Q-Master: oh, i know... i thought that i had fixed that! Jul 19 13:04:53 :x Jul 19 13:04:59 dos1: ? Jul 19 13:07:52 dos1: BTW, in your opimd utils all the incoming smses are doubled, and 1 copy can't be deleted. Jul 19 13:18:50 Q-Master: it doesn't happen to me Jul 19 13:19:06 well, opimd-utils still isn't even supposed to work Jul 19 13:19:16 that's set of utils for opimd developers :P Jul 19 13:21:10 dos1: when Neo was in suspend mode and sms had come neo just locked and that's all Jul 19 13:22:27 well, i don't worry about opimd-utils now, so reporting bugs doesn't make sense Jul 19 13:22:32 unless that's opimd bug of course Jul 19 13:22:53 that's only tool to make opimd developing and testing easier Jul 19 13:24:41 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r04831e43be16 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: fix possible error when installing signal handlers Jul 19 13:25:14 dos1: BTW, opimd starts very long time. Do you cache all contacts from sqlite? Jul 19 13:25:35 Q-Master: yes, but i want to change it (that's not my code ATM) Jul 19 13:26:07 Q-Master: you can speed up starting by disabling merging Jul 19 13:26:18 dos1: ? Jul 19 13:26:31 dos1: sqlite search is better anyway. 8) Jul 19 13:26:49 messages_merging_enabled = 0 and contacts_merging_enabled = 0 Jul 19 13:26:55 in frameworkd.conf Jul 19 13:27:30 what section? Jul 19 13:27:42 guess ;P Jul 19 13:27:59 dos1: already. sorry, too dumb today. 8) Jul 19 13:28:10 Q-Master: [opimd] :P Jul 19 13:28:33 dos1: BTW, what does this merging do? Jul 19 13:29:04 and have you done multiple phones, emails, etc.. in opimd? Jul 19 13:29:21 Q-Master: you have two backends, SIM and SQLite Jul 19 13:29:27 on SIM you can only have name and phone Jul 19 13:29:37 on sqlite you can have others Jul 19 13:29:44 so you have contact on SIM Jul 19 13:29:57 {'Name': 'Jon', 'Phone': 666} Jul 19 13:30:00 and on sqlite Jul 19 13:30:17 {'Name': 'Jon', 'E-mail': jon@openmoko.com} Jul 19 13:30:24 opimd can merge it into Jul 19 13:30:34 {'Name': 'Jon', 'E-mail': jon@openmoko.com, 'Phone': 666} Jul 19 13:30:52 dos1: I suggest you to refuse from sim backend. Just make a tool, or a button in shr-settings to import contacts from sim to sqlite and to export from phone to sim. Like other phones do. Jul 19 13:31:09 Q-Master: like other phones? Jul 19 13:31:26 dos1: e.x. all my sonyericcson do. Jul 19 13:31:40 dos1: since old z800 Jul 19 13:31:40 my nokia 6230i have contacts from sim and phone displayed together Jul 19 13:31:46 no... i don't like it Jul 19 13:31:48 :P Jul 19 13:32:00 dos1: sim contacts suxx anyway Jul 19 13:32:17 apart from being on SIM :P Jul 19 13:32:29 (which means you don't loose them when reflashing) Jul 19 13:32:31 so? Jul 19 13:32:39 and when changing phone Jul 19 13:32:43 yup Jul 19 13:32:45 i like having my contacts on SIM Jul 19 13:32:45 ;P Jul 19 13:33:08 I don't loose all my contacts in all my phones. especially when I have emails, addresses, contact info there Jul 19 13:33:16 Q-Master: i agree about import/export Jul 19 13:33:18 SIM doesn't have all this Jul 19 13:33:31 Q-Master: but i want SIM backend ;P Jul 19 13:33:42 and I want finally be able to build working images :( Jul 19 13:33:45 Q-Master: well, you can just disable it Jul 19 13:34:01 there is even gui for that in shr-settings Jul 19 13:34:08 dos1: I was a bit wrong. sim backend must stay, but be not the main in opim Jul 19 13:34:20 Q-Master: it isn't main Jul 19 13:34:34 dos1: good. Jul 19 13:34:38 Q-Master: main is SQLite-Contacts in SHR and CSV-Contacts in FSO Jul 19 13:34:55 btw, how does the sim-apps work? Jul 19 13:35:19 ? Jul 19 13:36:04 dos1: so when will it be possible to make {'Name':'John', 'phone': ['111', '222', '333']}? Jul 19 13:36:30 Q-Master: i think soon Jul 19 13:36:35 * dos1 looks at his TODO Jul 19 13:36:38 I have a beeline sim application, which works on my sonyericcson, and doesn't seem to be in SHR Jul 19 13:37:21 dos1: what about various phone types? like 'cell', 'home', 'work'? Jul 19 13:37:58 Q-Master: why not just {'Name':'John', 'Cell phone': 111, 'Home phone': 222}? Jul 19 13:38:09 or something like that? Jul 19 13:38:23 dos1: It will be good if any app can show it Jul 19 13:38:39 Q-Master: why not? Jul 19 13:38:53 Q-Master: any app will be able to show it ;P Jul 19 13:39:33 just check for fields ending with 'phone', display them and that's all Jul 19 13:40:15 dos1: none at the moment. Jul 19 13:40:30 dos1: great if they will Jul 19 13:40:31 Q-Master: i don't get you Jul 19 13:41:49 dos1: for now, seems that shr-contacts are unable to show such a contacts, and if I pass not only 'Name' but also a 'Surname' field it was not shown. 8( Jul 19 13:41:51 hmm... are om2009 and paroli still maintained? Jul 19 13:42:15 dos1: but it was rather long ago. Jul 19 13:42:37 dos1: anyway phones ['111', '222', '333' Jul 19 13:42:39 ] Jul 19 13:42:44 is a must Jul 19 13:42:46 Q-Master: efl2 checks only Name and Phone Jul 19 13:43:10 Q-Master: cause that's only change from ogsmd to opimd interface Jul 19 13:43:14 Q-Master: nothing changed in gui Jul 19 13:43:31 mrmoku: when? 8) Jul 19 13:43:39 there are just no good opimd-aware apps Jul 19 13:43:47 developers are lazy Jul 19 13:43:48 dos1: yep. that suxx Jul 19 13:43:49 :P Jul 19 13:43:57 Q-Master: so write one Jul 19 13:43:59 :P Jul 19 13:44:54 hehe. I should, but I need docs on gui developmend under neo. Jul 19 13:45:20 Q-Master: docs? why for? read sources :P Jul 19 13:45:31 Q-Master: i didn't know python until i got my freerunner Jul 19 13:45:44 * Q-Master need to go to shower Jul 19 13:45:44 Q-Master: but now i'm writting opimd in python :P Jul 19 13:46:07 dos1: e17's edj files are mystery for me Jul 19 13:46:28 dos1: and i need some docs on dbus. 8( Jul 19 13:46:36 Q-Master: as for me, you don't need to use that :P Jul 19 13:46:55 Q-Master: and dbus is everywhere, just read sources :D Jul 19 13:47:04 Q-Master: and opimd is documented in specs ;) Jul 19 13:47:16 everything needed is available Jul 19 13:47:29 everyone can do that, if they want and have time ;P Jul 19 13:48:18 To run openmoko, on qemu, is it necessary to compile qemu from source ? I do have qemu on my system, wouldn't it suffice ? Jul 19 13:50:09 to rephrase, can I not download a prebuilt binary from openmoko repository for ubuntu ? Jul 19 13:51:22 fabian81: you can only emulate gta01 and you can't run gta02 images in qemu Jul 19 13:51:42 fabian81: and to emulate gta01, yes, you have to compile it from source Jul 19 13:53:30 Q-Master, having serious other problems first Jul 19 13:53:34 bbl Jul 19 13:55:13 dos1: Thnkz..To build qemu with gcc 4.xx there exists a patch https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160627.. Does this patch work with qemu source at https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973 ? Jul 19 13:55:25 fabian81: dunno Jul 19 13:55:44 fabian81: but why do you need qemu-neo1973? it is barely usable Jul 19 13:55:57 fabian81: i was using it before gta02 release Jul 19 13:56:01 fabian81: now it's really outdated Jul 19 13:57:09 dos1: My plan is to set up a complete qemu development environment with emulator, develop an app and then deploy it on phone..(not bought it yet , will do once i am familiar and appealed enough ) Jul 19 13:57:46 dos1: appreciate if you can provide pointers.. Jul 19 13:59:16 fabian81: qemu-neo1973 is damn old Jul 19 13:59:30 fabian81: what kind of app do you want to develop? Jul 19 13:59:47 (btw. it's really uncomfortable to develop with qemu-neo1973) Jul 19 14:01:29 dos1: Some simple audio processing application..I understand from DocScrutinizer the other day that audio emulation is not possible on emulator ..does it mean I shouldn't be breaking my head with emulator and rather get it on phone ,. Jul 19 14:30:34 fabian81: yep, audio doesn't work on emulator Jul 19 14:33:22 PaulFertser: hi. how to bootstrap the DE for neo? I might try now. Jul 19 14:35:12 btw, we have an outdated and not working navit in repo and outdated pidgin which can't connect to icq. 8( Jul 19 14:36:32 and no Perl::XML, so building of some progs is impossible. Jul 19 14:41:38 hi again, i was the person with the suspend issue from before, i have tried to troubleshoot the issue but it seems to only happend when my openmoko is not plugged into the laptop. and when i check the logs at reboot they are empty Jul 19 14:41:56 could my suspend issue be related to the fact that i have my openmoko in landscape mode? Jul 19 14:42:07 (i am using SHR) Jul 19 14:42:21 i meant i have my freerunner in landscape mode :P Jul 19 14:44:01 ildip: what suspend issue? Jul 19 14:44:26 my phone goes into suspend but does not shutoff Jul 19 14:44:32 the screen is still lit up Jul 19 14:44:55 but i cannot see anything its black and weird garbage graphics Jul 19 14:45:16 and i cannot do anything to it Jul 19 14:45:22 no buttons do anything Jul 19 14:48:09 larsc: not sure what else to tell you, i am unable to produce any proper debuging information since i lack a debuging board, and since the logs get cleared every reboot (i have not looked into how to make the logs not clear yet) Jul 19 14:48:47 oddly its been suspending well now a few times, perhaps its the screen orientation Jul 19 14:50:08 now when i think about it, the rotate script makes the graphics weird at times Jul 19 14:50:25 but this is just baseless speculation Jul 19 14:50:38 mirko: pong Jul 19 14:50:58 Q-Master: bootstrap what? Jul 19 14:51:19 PaulFertser: development environment Jul 19 14:51:58 Q-Master: ah, you're supposed to download SHRMakefile, then "make setup" etc... Troubleshooting failing steps Jul 19 14:52:14 PaulFertser: url? Jul 19 14:52:35 Q-Master: http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR Jul 19 14:54:08 ildip: weird in what way? Jul 19 14:54:52 mrmoku|away, !! :) Jul 19 14:56:20 PaulFertser: thnx. fetching. 8) Jul 19 14:57:36 hmm, is it possible to speed up the time to get a first gps fix? Jul 19 14:58:52 Meomer: yes, clear sky or agps. Jul 19 14:59:04 Meomer: unfortunately, FSO doesn't include agps support yet. Jul 19 15:09:55 PaulFertser: I thought it did now Jul 19 15:09:57 ogpsd Jul 19 15:09:57 * Reintroduced Ephemeris and Almanac uploading. Jul 19 15:10:04 on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/Status_Update_7 Jul 19 15:11:01 Zorkman: it's not agps. Just ublox we use lacks EEPROM so we save and then restore almanac and ephemeris. Jul 19 15:11:31 Zorkman: almanac is not very usefull (probably not usefull at all) on our chip and ephemeris are valid only for 2 (probably sometimes up to 4) hours. Jul 19 15:13:57 thanks for explaining Jul 19 15:15:07 but TIFF of around 10 minutes or more is normal still? Jul 19 15:16:15 Meomer: no Jul 19 15:16:33 Meomer: with clear sky and undamaged antenna and connector it should take less than one minute. Jul 19 15:23:30 Meomer: I agree with PaulFertser Jul 19 15:24:14 maybe you were testing in an urban jungle? (lots of high buildings next to you, obstruction the sats) Jul 19 15:34:13 heyho Jul 19 15:36:57 llo Jul 19 15:39:31 oh, i sense a problem there Jul 19 15:39:37 in the absence of an antenna Jul 19 15:39:47 * Meomer crawls under a rock Jul 19 15:40:48 in all fairnes though, once i got a first fix last week, after like 15 minutes, the track recorded was quite accurrate :) Jul 19 15:41:48 yep once you have a fix the neo has a really good gps chip Jul 19 15:42:46 but what i gather from the hardware page on the om wiki, the 40sec TTFF is with external antenna Jul 19 15:45:24 ptitjes: ping Jul 19 15:45:36 pong Jul 19 15:46:43 Meomer: best time to ttff without having some previous data was ~45s here Jul 19 15:47:05 with data available 10s was the best Jul 19 15:47:09 ptitjes: you noticed my mail on shr-devel about my application framework ideas? Jul 19 15:57:06 i was wondering, is there a wa for me not to clone the whole git repository of something, what if i want just the head.... and keep replacing it with the head... Jul 19 15:57:34 whats the disadvantages of doing that? Jul 19 15:57:36 and how? Jul 19 15:59:50 shallow Jul 19 15:59:59 google for shallow git clone Jul 19 16:00:02 or something like that. :) Jul 19 16:00:20 as for cons Jul 19 16:00:30 you'll have to be connected in order to work with older revs Jul 19 16:00:42 git allows you to have a "home repo" that's why it clones everything... Jul 19 16:06:29 morphis: yep! I did not have time to reply Jul 19 16:06:36 morphis: I'll do asap Jul 19 16:07:19 oh, my fr has travelled 50m already by just lying on the windowsill, i must check with the continuum ;-) Jul 19 16:07:30 ptitjes: there is no rush :) just take your time Jul 19 16:07:50 :) Jul 19 16:08:21 Meomer: well that's the proof that the earth rotates around you ;p Jul 19 16:09:23 but at least i have confirmation that it works Jul 19 16:12:16 Meomer: no, internal antenna works ok too. Jul 19 16:21:50 DocScrutinizer: ping Jun 17 23:59:32 during call open amixer, adjust "mono Jul 19 16:21:50