**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 29 02:59:57 2009
Jul 29 06:13:44 <blindcoder> good morning
Jul 29 06:17:46 <blindcoder> on shr, which program should be used to control volume?
Jul 29 06:18:02 <blindcoder> yestreday I tried pymixer and then tested it with dictator, but there were no audible changes
Jul 29 06:18:34 <blindcoder> the root problem I'm trying to combat is that a) my microphone is way too sensitive (recording even fan sound from the pc across the room) and b) ringtone is too quiet
Jul 29 06:23:09 <PaulFertser> blindcoder: alsamixer
Jul 29 06:24:30 <blindcoder> PaulFertser: is there a list of which control controls what?
Jul 29 06:25:09 <PaulFertser> blindcoder: yes, there's a very good diagram on the wiki Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem page.
Jul 29 06:25:15 <PaulFertser> blindcoder: and yes, it applies to FR.
Jul 29 06:28:53 <blindcoder> PaulFertser: okay, I see that this'll take a while
Jul 29 06:39:35 <mrmoku> ptitjes, yeah, it was the binding-tool being set to a fixed (older) rev :(
Jul 29 06:39:53 <mrmoku> ptitjes, next I will try to actually use it in efl2
Jul 29 06:40:10 <blindcoder> okay, dictator is a bad testing tool as it loads its own state file
Jul 29 06:55:34 <methril|work> good morning
Jul 29 06:56:20 <mrmoku> methril|work, morning
Jul 29 06:59:44 <ptitjes> mrmoku: hello
Jul 29 06:59:58 <ptitjes> mrmoku: oh so you program inside devshell ?
Jul 29 07:00:17 <ptitjes> mrmoku: could you make a tutorial for that on the wiki please ?
Jul 29 07:00:21 <mrmoku> mrmoku, no
Jul 29 07:00:33 <mrmoku> ptitjes, even worse :P
Jul 29 07:00:35 <ptitjes> mrmoku: how do you proceed ?
Jul 29 07:00:40 <spaetz> morning.
Jul 29 07:00:43 <mrmoku> I do a full bitbake + opkg install cycle :P
Jul 29 07:00:44 * spaetz grabs coffee
Jul 29 07:00:49 <ptitjes> morning spaetz 
Jul 29 07:00:51 * mrmoku drinks coffee
Jul 29 07:00:59 * ptitjes finished his coffee
Jul 29 07:01:05 <ptitjes> :p
Jul 29 07:01:39 <ptitjes> mrmoku: oh so you tested it on the phone and it runs correctly
Jul 29 07:01:40 <ptitjes> \o/
Jul 29 07:01:45 <mrmoku> ptitjes, yesterday I wrote a small test app just to see how to do async calls
Jul 29 07:01:49 <mrmoku> ptitjes, yep
Jul 29 07:01:56 <DocScrutinizer> ooooh, coffee.....
Jul 29 07:02:00 <ptitjes> mrmoku: hum, as you can understand I was not so sure of me ;-)
Jul 29 07:02:06 <ptitjes> hi DocScrutinizer 
Jul 29 07:02:06 <mrmoku> :P
Jul 29 07:02:23 <mrmoku> ptitjes, well... it was just *one* call I tested ;)
Jul 29 07:02:23 <ptitjes> mrmoku: that's great
Jul 29 07:02:29 <mrmoku> but in principle it seems to work
Jul 29 07:02:55 <ptitjes> mrmoku: could you copy / paste the initialisation of the proxy and call to the wiki ?
Jul 29 07:03:01 * mrmoku does not have to struggle with stupid dbus marshalling any longer ;)
Jul 29 07:03:13 <ptitjes> mrmoku: heh, isn't that great ?
Jul 29 07:03:18 <mrmoku> ptitjes, yeah, will clean the testup and write some howto
Jul 29 07:03:27 <mrmoku> s/testup/testapp/
Jul 29 07:03:27 <bzzbot> mrmoku meant: ptitjes, yeah, will clean the testapp and write some howto
Jul 29 07:03:45 <ptitjes> mrmoku: I'm a bit proud of the work I made on that
Jul 29 07:03:47 <ptitjes> ;p
Jul 29 07:03:52 <mrmoku> ptitjes, yeah nice thing
Jul 29 07:03:57 <ptitjes> :D
Jul 29 07:03:58 <mrmoku> one thing I'm missing though ;)
Jul 29 07:04:13 <mrmoku> a piece that lfg did for me...
Jul 29 07:04:25 <mrmoku> it's the names of the bus-paths and interfaces
Jul 29 07:04:51 <mrmoku> but not an important piece
Jul 29 07:05:01 <ptitjes> mrmoku: I did not want to include
Jul 29 07:05:11 <ptitjes> them because I thought it was not fixed
Jul 29 07:05:30 <ptitjes> mrmoku: however I could add them as part of the helper, if that is really necessary
Jul 29 07:07:39 <mrmoku> ptitjes, if it is no problem... that definitely would help :)
Jul 29 07:08:06 <ptitjes> mrmoku: ok I'll think about the best way to do that then
Jul 29 07:08:13 <mrmoku> ptitjes, thanks :)
Jul 29 07:08:31 <ptitjes> mrmoku: I think path are in the specs so there can be a generated way
Jul 29 07:09:20 <DocScrutinizer> heh, dbus for the masses? :)
Jul 29 07:09:22 <mrmoku> ptitjes, even better... because then it will automatically adjusted if the paths change someday :D
Jul 29 07:09:33 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, diesel bus :)
Jul 29 07:09:36 <mrmoku> like mine :P
Jul 29 07:19:08 <DocScrutinizer> hey, a good old Diesel doesn't mind any EMP ;-P
Jul 29 07:50:06 <cz_jc> Hello, I'm learning ARM assembly on Neo Freerunner (running code without OS)
Jul 29 07:50:21 <cz_jc> I'm trying to link in an image to my binary that could be just written out to framebuffer..
Jul 29 07:50:34 <cz_jc> any idea how to convert image to 16bpp raw in gimp please ?
Jul 29 07:51:28 <cz_jc> btw. I already managed to draw bars and such on framebuffer, its so much fun =)
Jul 29 08:08:51 <cz_jc> Alright I did it using imagemagick. Now I'm figuring how to use GNU LD and how to tell where to find the image to my source file :/
Jul 29 08:17:51 <cz_jc> ok, figured it out, the RAW image needs to be converted to obj file first
Jul 29 08:23:04 <dent> cz_jc: jde ti to :)
Jul 29 08:23:25 <cz_jc> Defiant, nojo :P
Jul 29 08:23:28 <PaulFertser> cz_jc: it's cool how you quickly progress without any help :)
Jul 29 08:23:48 <cz_jc> PaulFertser, I just got stuck on a stupid thing, sorry for bothering :P
Jul 29 08:24:41 <cz_jc> Defiant, sorry that was for dent 
Jul 29 08:37:49 <cz_jc> I don't get it, arm objcopy doesn't recognize elf32-littlearm architecture when converting bin file :/
Jul 29 08:39:36 <cz_jc> oh finally !
Jul 29 08:39:52 <cz_jc> in case anyones interested, this is what it takes to get linkable raw file for FR:
Jul 29 08:40:04 <cz_jc> armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-objcopy --output-target=elf32-littlearm -I binary -B arm --rename-section _binary_objfile_start=.image img.raw img.o
Jul 29 08:40:35 <rtp> cz_jc: did you try using .inc_bin ? should be easier imho
Jul 29 08:40:46 <cz_jc> rtp, in ld ?
Jul 29 08:40:55 <rtp> err .incbin
Jul 29 08:41:04 <rtp> cz_jc: no, in the assembly file 
Jul 29 08:41:17 <cz_jc> rtp, lol, oh yeah...
Jul 29 08:41:30 <cz_jc> that kinda didn't occur to me..
Jul 29 08:41:36 <cz_jc> but this is a more valid way anyway XD
Jul 29 08:44:42 <cz_jc> hmm section name is wrong, its actually _binary_<filename without extension>_raw_start
Jul 29 08:49:22 <a21_work> hello!
Jul 29 08:51:14 <a21_work> someone knows why wget on FR through usb is so _slow_? top bandwidth is 193kbit/s and the slowest usb mode bandwidth should be 1.5Mbit/s ... any clue?
Jul 29 08:52:29 <rtp> a21_work: usb host or device ?
Jul 29 08:52:49 <a21_work> mh... the default ;P
Jul 29 08:53:01 <rtp> so device :)
Jul 29 08:53:03 <a21_work> tcp over usb
Jul 29 08:53:16 <a21_work> ^^'
Jul 29 08:54:15 <a21_work> have you ever tried iftop -i eth_freerunner ?
Jul 29 08:54:26 <rtp> there's not a lot one can do. it's using PIO so this tends to be quite slow. 1.5M is theory not practice :)
Jul 29 08:55:28 <a21_work> ok, but 1.5Mbit --> 0.2Mbit is quite different! :P
Jul 29 08:56:10 <a21_work> it's only my problem or it's common for every fr?
Jul 29 08:56:28 <a21_work> maybe I've misconfigured something?
Jul 29 08:56:45 <a21_work> or is it by design?
Jul 29 08:57:12 <rtp> never though about the usb mesuring speed because it's pio /o\
Jul 29 08:58:51 <cz_jc> hehe lol, instead of my image, just black and white bars appeared...
Jul 29 08:59:05 <cz_jc> I suspect yet another linker trickery
Jul 29 09:00:01 <rtp> cz_jc: really, you should try with .incbin. This is working well for the kernel :)
Jul 29 09:01:52 <Darkas> is there a way to make the cpu slower or something between suspend and normal running? I think if there was something like this, it would be nice for music playing...
Jul 29 09:02:16 <PaulFertser> Darkas: Rask's patches
Jul 29 09:02:23 <cz_jc> rtp, I'm not backing down XD disassembly already shows my img pointer is being filled with crap..
Jul 29 09:02:44 <PaulFertser> Darkas: if you're comfortable compiling the kernel etc... Not included in OM repository yet.
Jul 29 09:03:50 <Darkas> PaulFertser, compiling kernel is no problem, thanks ;)
Jul 29 09:04:12 <a21_work> mmh...rtp... it seems slow the sd card access is it pio also?
Jul 29 09:04:41 <PaulFertser> Darkas: so you'll need the latest Rask's patches + i think there was some patch to not break serial exchange after suspend/resume.
Jul 29 09:05:03 <rtp> a21_work: I don't know. I only know the usb device stuff. the sd/mmc is on the glamo so it's outside my scope 
Jul 29 09:05:05 <PaulFertser> a21_work: to eliminate that you can download to /dev/null.
Jul 29 09:05:09 <Darkas> PaulFertser, where do I get them?
Jul 29 09:05:24 <a21_work> PaulFertser: :D
Jul 29 09:05:33 <PaulFertser> Darkas: you need to find the relevant discussion at OM kernel ML. 
Jul 29 09:05:42 <rtp> PaulFertser: what are you talking about ? if you're talking about cpufreq, why don't use use Ben  patches ? 
Jul 29 09:06:07 <a21_work> do I have enough space on /dev/null do download stuff? XD
Jul 29 09:06:07 <PaulFertser> a21_work: glamo is a complex beast. It's inherently slow...
Jul 29 09:06:22 <PaulFertser> rtp: Rask's patches are more up-to-date and etsted.
Jul 29 09:06:41 <PaulFertser> a21_work: it will be improved somewhat soon but only when the screen is blanked :D
Jul 29 09:06:44 <rtp> PaulFertser: clearly. I prefer the 2410fb to the glamo fb 
Jul 29 09:07:56 <rtp> PaulFertser: Ben is the samsung arm kernel maintainer and probably has more tested and knows better than him imho. so why insisting in using something which has no chance to be merged unlinke ben patches ?
Jul 29 09:08:41 <rtp> PaulFertser: om kernel has already too much diverged 
Jul 29 09:08:41 <PaulFertser> rtp: can you show me that Ben's patches please? 
Jul 29 09:09:11 <rtp> PaulFertser: either on its git tree (forgot the url sorry) or on l-a-k ml
Jul 29 09:09:35 <PaulFertser> rtp: ok.
Jul 29 09:10:44 <PaulFertser> rtp: i'm talking about these patches: http://www.mail-archive.com/openmoko-kernel@lists.openmoko.org/msg09604.html
Jul 29 09:11:05 <PaulFertser> rtp: i've no idea why Ben's patches are not enough. Probably there's a good reason for Rask to write his.
Jul 29 09:11:18 <rtp> PaulFertser: btw, I got hit this morning by the infamous shutdown due to empty battery bug on my gta01. will your patchset provide a way to get battery level on the battery applet ?
Jul 29 09:11:34 <PaulFertser> rtp: it already does
Jul 29 09:11:46 <PaulFertser> rtp: you just need to compile it yourself :)
Jul 29 09:11:55 <PaulFertser> rtp: i can give you a binary for testing if you prefer.
Jul 29 09:11:58 <rtp> PaulFertser: because people are not talking together ? :)
Jul 29 09:12:37 <rtp> PaulFertser: I can compile it myself. Just being lazy to find out the git tree to use and dl your patches :)
Jul 29 09:13:17 <PaulFertser> rtp: "I adapted the S3C64xx cpufreq driver by Mark Brown for the S3C2442." this is what Rask writes. He also have a patch to gta02-specific stuff.
Jul 29 09:13:49 <PaulFertser> rtp: if i get no feedback till tomorrow i'll push gta01 patches myself, so gta01 will benefit immediately.
Jul 29 09:13:59 <rtp> pfff... 64xx and 2442 are differents beasts. stupid to go that way imho
Jul 29 09:14:06 <PaulFertser> rtp: gta02 changes are a bit invasive so i hoped to get at least some sort of feedback first.
Jul 29 09:14:37 <rtp> my gta02 is still in germany so I won't try them
Jul 29 09:14:59 <spaetz> mrmoku, Ainulindale: ping. Logo contest
Jul 29 09:15:04 <rtp> but I'll try on my gta01 of course
Jul 29 09:15:14 <spaetz> I'll start a wiki page where people can submit stuff.
Jul 29 09:15:33 <spaetz> What's the conditions, deadlines, and who will chose?
Jul 29 09:15:46 <spaetz> Community poll. Core dev poll, or Ainulindale as dictator? :)
Jul 29 09:16:41 <spaetz> So far: conditions: need to be under a license that allows us to use it :). Deadline: End September. (too long?)
Jul 29 09:17:42 <cz_jc> yes, I finally got image into memory, now its only misaligned and shows crap XD
Jul 29 09:19:51 <Ainulindale> spaetz: pong
Jul 29 09:19:59 <Ainulindale> Community poll
Jul 29 09:20:10 <spaetz> OK, will make it so.
Jul 29 09:20:28 <Ainulindale> With a veto for core team though :-)
Jul 29 09:20:46 <a21_work> LOL
Jul 29 09:20:52 <spaetz> hehe
Jul 29 09:22:13 <Ainulindale> Well that's only logical
Jul 29 09:22:19 <Ainulindale> We (or rather mrmoku) make SHR live
Jul 29 09:23:06 <blindcoder> anyone know if dos1 fixed the gps problem yesterday?
Jul 29 09:23:07 <mrmoku> nah
Jul 29 09:23:18 <spaetz> http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/LogoContest
Jul 29 09:23:21 <mrmoku> blindcoder, he said gps was working again IIRC
Jul 29 09:23:49 <spaetz> Announce on ML and blog? Should we also push a text to some other news sites?
Jul 29 09:23:49 <mrmoku> spaetz, good thing :D
Jul 29 09:23:54 <blindcoder> mrmoku: do you happen to know how? :)
Jul 29 09:24:01 <mrmoku> blindcoder, no idea
Jul 29 09:24:09 <mrmoku> I guess it suddenly worked again...
Jul 29 09:24:21 <blindcoder> damn :(
Jul 29 09:24:38 <blindcoder> because here it doesn't :(
Jul 29 09:24:53 <mrmoku> blindcoder, let me check the log...
Jul 29 09:25:07 <a21_work> spaetz: LOL wiki page XD
Jul 29 09:25:16 <a21_work> millions eeh! ;)
Jul 29 09:28:08 <mrmoku> blindcoder, 28-07-2009 13:57:36 < dos1!n=dos@unaffiliated/dos1: WTF?
Jul 29 09:28:08 <mrmoku> 28-07-2009 13:57:42 < dos1!n=dos@unaffiliated/dos1: DocScrutinizer: i just did stty -F /dev/ttySAC1 sane
Jul 29 09:28:11 <mrmoku> 28-07-2009 13:57:48 < dos1!n=dos@unaffiliated/dos1: and it works now...
Jul 29 09:29:09 <PaulFertser> blindcoder: yes, it suddenly worked.
Jul 29 09:29:13 <DocScrutinizer> so what?
Jul 29 09:29:18 <spaetz> what was the darn blogging url again for MT?
Jul 29 09:29:46 <spaetz> ahh got it
Jul 29 09:30:28 <DocScrutinizer> still no story *why*  it failed in the first place, and if it is reproducable
Jul 29 09:30:57 <blindcoder> mrmoku, PaulFertser thanks, I'll try
Jul 29 09:33:30 <DocScrutinizer> btw, next line I seem to remember was "it works for 'cat' now, but still not for gpsd"
Jul 29 09:34:09 <blindcoder> guess I can confirm *that*
Jul 29 09:34:25 <blindcoder> and here I was hoping to use my FR for navgation next week :(
Jul 29 09:35:01 <cz_jc> haha yes ! I finally got the image to show properly =)
Jul 29 09:36:00 <DocScrutinizer> heh, gps worked great for SHR-U090703 image.
Jul 29 09:36:09 <spaetz> Ainulindale: please approve: http://blog.shr-project.org/2009/07/shr-logo-contest.html
Jul 29 09:36:24 <spaetz> It might be too flippant, but I can't write anything serious at the moment
Jul 29 09:36:40 <spaetz> Otherwise, I'll edit, if there's something to change
Jul 29 09:38:33 <Ainulindale> Quite good
Jul 29 09:38:34 <Ainulindale> I like it :-)
Jul 29 09:40:26 <spaetz> WOW; I must have done something wrong then :)
Jul 29 09:40:29 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: yep, firstly it worked only for cat
Jul 29 09:40:48 <spaetz> OK, will mail out and also post to some news sites that might be intersted (no, not /.)
Jul 29 09:40:56 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: but when i left ogpsd running for ~2 hours, it got fix ;P
Jul 29 09:41:06 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: so could you document you findings somewhere?
Jul 29 09:41:32 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: the problem is: i still don't have any findings
Jul 29 09:41:38 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: if inly it's a "non duplicable"
Jul 29 09:41:39 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: it just started to work
Jul 29 09:42:05 * dos1 is checking, if it works now
Jul 29 09:42:16 <DocScrutinizer> so even that is important to start a thread/wiki-talk to follow up on it
Jul 29 09:42:34 <blindcoder> dos1: ogpsd? is it the same as fso-gpsd?
Jul 29 09:42:40 <dos1> it works now
Jul 29 09:42:54 <dos1> blindcoder: fso-gpsd is only combatibility layer between gpsd applications and ogpsd
Jul 29 09:43:41 <blindcoder> dos1: and ogpsd is what and where to find?
Jul 29 09:43:50 <blindcoder> not that I'm missing packages or something...
Jul 29 09:43:52 <dos1> blindcoder: it's part of frameworkd...
Jul 29 09:43:59 <blindcoder> ah
Jul 29 09:45:01 <mrmoku> dos1, I get quadrupled contacts with efl2/opim
Jul 29 09:45:10 <mrmoku> something known or shall I delete the db?
Jul 29 09:45:11 <blindcoder> dos1: 2 hours you say? okay, I'll let it sit for a few hours with stty sane then
Jul 29 09:45:19 <dos1> mrmoku: known, it's not db
Jul 29 09:45:27 <mrmoku> dos1, fix it then ;)
Jul 29 09:45:27 <dos1> mrmoku: it's just cache
Jul 29 09:45:31 <dos1> mrmoku: i will ;)
Jul 29 09:45:34 <mrmoku> :)
Jul 29 09:45:41 <dos1> but firstly i have to debug it
Jul 29 09:45:48 <dos1> cause i still don't know reason ;x
Jul 29 09:45:51 <mrmoku> that might help fixing it :)
Jul 29 09:50:49 <Deubeuliou> hi everybody !
Jul 29 09:51:43 <spaetz> mrmoku: fsoraw is not part of the default SHR distro, is it?
Jul 29 09:51:57 <admiral0> hello raster
Jul 29 09:52:03 <spaetz> I'm thinking of adapting the navit .desktop file to be called through fsoraw
Jul 29 09:52:08 <admiral0> hello ^ 
Jul 29 09:52:25 <PaulFertser> rtp: bqdook's tree lacks arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/cpufreq.c
Jul 29 09:52:41 <PaulFertser> rtp: origin/next-s3c branch
Jul 29 09:53:04 <CIA-53> SHR: 03mok 07libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 * r3a3805eacc64 10/src/view/contact-list-view.c: contact-list-view: set scale for the list
Jul 29 09:53:07 <CIA-53> SHR: 03mok 07libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 * rb31851ae1dca 10/ (8 files in 2 dirs): switch the message list to be an elementary genlist
Jul 29 09:53:08 <CIA-53> SHR: 03mok 07libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 * rf961f483f187 10/src/view/contact-edit-view.c: contact-edit-view: correct size for the entries
Jul 29 09:53:08 <CIA-53> SHR: 03mok 07libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 * rc8853adfe2d5 10/src/view/sim-auth-input-view.c: sim-auth-imput-view: fix PIN input
Jul 29 09:53:11 <CIA-53> SHR: 03mok 07libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 * ree4e3d9c803c 10/src/phonegui-contacts.c: phonegui-contacts: add phonegui_contacts_new_show
Jul 29 09:53:24 <mrmoku> spaetz, should be, don't remember though
Jul 29 09:53:38 * mrmoku picking son from kindergarten
Jul 29 09:53:44 <mrmoku> bbiab
Jul 29 10:00:19 <rtp> PaulFertser: it's called cpu-freq.c iirc :)
Jul 29 10:00:42 <rtp> PaulFertser: anyway, I'm off. bbl 
Jul 29 10:01:01 <PaulFertser> rtp: cu
Jul 29 10:01:07 <PaulFertser> rtp: and try to take a look at the code yourself.
Jul 29 10:01:17 <PaulFertser> rtp: i can't see any mention of dynamic clocking there.
Jul 29 10:11:03 <ptitjes> Ainulindale, mickey_away: would this be possible to do something cheaper than l'Epigramme ?
Jul 29 10:11:46 <a21_work> just untarred latest shr-u... booting :)
Jul 29 10:13:49 <a21_work> ->configured and icons loaded
Jul 29 10:13:56 <a21_work> wow 2 min :)
Jul 29 10:15:32 <a21_work> mmh... no pin?
Jul 29 10:16:06 <a21_work> ah, ophonekitd is not running! :S
Jul 29 10:17:50 <a21_work> opkg is now called opkg-cl ?
Jul 29 10:25:14 * mrmoku tried gps - and it works just nice :)
Jul 29 10:28:46 <a21_work> mrmoku: I rebooted and I cannot get usb tcp up :S
Jul 29 10:29:16 <a21_work> and in terminal I've broken icons on menu
Jul 29 10:29:29 <a21_work> (freerunner term)
Jul 29 10:30:08 <a21_work> used: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-shr-lite-image-glibc-ipk--20090728-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz
Jul 29 10:31:43 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07libphone-utils * r47d259ac62c0 10/src/python/setup.py: python: fix path in setup.py
Jul 29 10:34:18 <F4t> mrmoku, here?
Jul 29 10:36:14 <mrmoku> F4t, yep
Jul 29 10:36:28 <mrmoku> F4t, got something new to test? :P
Jul 29 10:36:30 <F4t> could u bump PV to 0.4? (dont rebuild yet)
Jul 29 10:36:53 <mrmoku> F4t, yeah, will do right before building it though
Jul 29 10:37:08 <F4t> k, so ill let you know when to build
Jul 29 10:37:26 <mrmoku> a21_work, hmm
Jul 29 10:37:49 <mrmoku> a21_work, will try that image myself now
Jul 29 10:37:57 <a21_work> broken also icons in tangogps
Jul 29 10:38:49 <a21_work> ophonekit does not start ...never
Jul 29 10:39:24 <sepultina> hello, i also have fun with this image.
Jul 29 10:39:39 <mrmoku> a21_work, where has tangogps icons?
Jul 29 10:39:58 <sepultina> is there any big changes in work?
Jul 29 10:40:10 <a21_work> tangogps is on desktop... as usual
Jul 29 10:40:14 <mrmoku> sepultina, what fun do *you* have?
Jul 29 10:41:32 <sepultina> the same as a21_work: ophonekitd is not running
Jul 29 10:41:55 <a21_work> mrmoku: I booted from flash (qtopia) and after mke2fs I untarred the new tgz, then rebooted
Jul 29 10:42:08 <a21_work> (as usual)
Jul 29 10:42:27 <a21_work> the first boot I got usb working
Jul 29 10:43:02 <a21_work> no longer after the first poweroff and reboot
Jul 29 10:44:04 <F4t> mrmoku, bump PV to 0.4 and build new mokonnect :)
Jul 29 10:44:16 <mrmoku> F4t, ok
Jul 29 10:45:24 <a21_work> mrmoku: can you confirm it's a borked tgz? or should I try again?
Jul 29 10:45:46 <mrmoku> F4t, will installing it save the world then, right?
Jul 29 10:45:52 <mrmoku> a21_work, still untaring
Jul 29 10:45:56 <a21_work> k
Jul 29 10:46:01 <a21_work> let me know, pls
Jul 29 10:46:08 <F4t> mrmoku, yeah, and prevent global warmming
Jul 29 10:49:57 <mrmoku> 7quit
Jul 29 10:50:01 <mrmoku> oops
Jul 29 10:50:12 <F4t> lol, openmoko repo are still building svnr85... :-/
Jul 29 10:50:42 <mrmoku> F4t, time to get our common OE branch done :P
Jul 29 10:52:06 <mrmoku> a21_work, sepultina: rebooting now
Jul 29 10:52:17 <a21_work> fine
Jul 29 10:52:58 <a21_work> try to focus on the second reboot.. after the configuration
Jul 29 10:53:26 * mrmoku is focusing :P
Jul 29 10:53:32 <a21_work> ^^'
Jul 29 10:54:10 <F4t> btw, did u or anyone try the NWA application?
Jul 29 10:54:41 <mrmoku> F4t, read (and then checked the webpage) about that one yesterday
Jul 29 10:54:43 <mrmoku> so no
Jul 29 10:55:49 <methril|work> mrmoku: i'd like to start the merge of OE dev :)
Jul 29 10:55:58 <methril|work> mrmoku: could i help?
Jul 29 10:57:07 <sepultina> mrmoku: sorry i do not understand.
Jul 29 10:57:32 <sepultina> do i have to configure someting or upgrade a package?
Jul 29 10:58:55 <mrmoku> methril|work, you could try to build shr with OE dev
Jul 29 10:59:01 <mrmoku> that's what I wanted to do
Jul 29 10:59:13 <mrmoku> add the necessary stuff missing and build it
Jul 29 10:59:18 <mrmoku> see where you get
Jul 29 10:59:49 <mrmoku> sepultina, no, just installed the (broken) image and booted that
Jul 29 10:59:55 <mrmoku> and system dbus does not start
Jul 29 10:59:58 <mrmoku> investigating that now
Jul 29 11:01:06 <sepultina> aah, you are on rebooting. For me it was like a command ;)
Jul 29 11:01:30 <methril|work> mrmoku: add the necessary stuff missing and build it (what is the direction oe build & patch to shr or shr and patch to OE?
Jul 29 11:01:39 <methril|work> i'll try a merge but conficts
Jul 29 11:07:13 <a21_work> mrmoku: news? also... is ok opkg is now opkg-cl ?
Jul 29 11:09:49 <\marco> Hi to all
Jul 29 11:10:07 <\marco> I've a problem with shr wiki login :/
Jul 29 11:10:10 <\marco> Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.
Jul 29 11:10:23 <\marco> I've tried to clear cookies and cache.. no dice
Jul 29 11:11:26 <\marco> Every page I click I'm redirected at http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/prefs/account and firefox says "The page isn't redirecting properly"
Jul 29 11:11:48 <\marco> any idea?
Jul 29 11:12:43 <F4t> mrmoku, did u merge the mokonnect into repo?
Jul 29 11:12:47 <mrmoku> methril|work, sure it conflicts
Jul 29 11:12:57 <mrmoku> a21_work, not yet
Jul 29 11:12:59 <mrmoku> F4t, ?
Jul 29 11:13:30 <mrmoku> F4t, if you mean if it is in the feed... not yet
Jul 29 11:13:37 <mrmoku> built and building the index now
Jul 29 11:14:50 <mrmoku> a21_work, problem is a broken /etc/passwd
Jul 29 11:14:59 <mrmoku> it is missing the user messagebus
Jul 29 11:15:05 <mrmoku> and thus the system bus does not start
Jul 29 11:15:13 <mrmoku> and thus no frameworkd + ophonekitd
Jul 29 11:15:21 <F4t> mrmoku, ok, cool
Jul 29 11:15:22 <a21_work> ah!
Jul 29 11:15:46 <a21_work> ok... I'll try to reflash and manually fix it
Jul 29 11:15:52 <a21_work> tnx
Jul 29 11:16:16 <a21_work> (or will be there a fixed build?)
Jul 29 11:17:36 <mrmoku> F4t, hit the feed now
Jul 29 11:17:49 <mrmoku> a21_work, as soon as I know how to fix it, yeah
Jul 29 11:18:11 <F4t> mrmoku, thanks
Jul 29 11:19:27 <F4t> btw, whats gpe-scap based on? what toolkit?
Jul 29 11:19:32 <F4t> (the gui)
Jul 29 11:19:52 <mrmoku> F4t, no idea, not using that
Jul 29 11:22:11 <methril|work> lunch time
Jul 29 11:22:38 <mrmoku> a21_work, sepultina: you can try to 'opkg-cl update; opkg-cl -force-reinstall install dbus'
Jul 29 11:22:45 <mrmoku> it is then configuring lots of stuff...
Jul 29 11:22:46 <F4t> mrmoku, libglade, and glade for gtk+ work...
Jul 29 11:22:53 <F4t> hmmmm....
Jul 29 11:22:54 <mrmoku> doing that now, don't know if that helps yet
Jul 29 11:23:39 <F4t> bah, theres also  a new kernel...
Jul 29 11:34:11 <mrmoku> a21_work, sepultina: yeah, that did the trick for me
Jul 29 11:35:15 * mrmoku moving into the garden
Jul 29 11:39:07 <F4t> garden?! wtf
Jul 29 11:40:27 <mrmoku> F4t :)
Jul 29 11:40:46 <F4t> do you live in a palace?
Jul 29 11:40:59 <mrmoku> F4t, nah, unfortunately not :(
Jul 29 11:41:08 <mrmoku> but a small garden I do have :)
Jul 29 11:45:30 <F4t> mrmoku, growing anything interesting there? :)
Jul 29 11:45:45 <mrmoku> F4t, again... unfortunately not ;)
Jul 29 11:46:09 <F4t> :D
Jul 29 11:50:32 <mrmoku> F4t, hmm... iwlist scan finds my network... within mokonnect not so
Jul 29 11:51:07 <F4t> does iwlist tell you it's ssid?
Jul 29 11:51:12 <F4t> or just bssid?
Jul 29 11:51:29 <F4t> and does the terminal output any exceptions when ur in the scan screen
Jul 29 11:51:44 <mrmoku> essid only
Jul 29 11:53:10 <mrmoku> F4t, no exception only a dbus.Dictionary
Jul 29 11:53:17 <TAsn> cool
Jul 29 11:53:21 <TAsn> shr logo contest! :)
Jul 29 11:53:23 <TAsn> finally!
Jul 29 11:53:31 <F4t> mrmoku, whats its contents?
Jul 29 11:54:00 <mrmoku> dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'Scanning'): dbus.Boolean(False, variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'Name'): dbus.String(u'Wireless', variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'Powered'): dbus.Boolean(True, variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'ScanInterval'): dbus.UInt16(300, variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'Address'): dbus.String(u'00:12:CF:8E:EE:31', variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'Interface'): dbus.String(u'eth0', variant_level=1), dbus.String(
Jul 29 11:54:54 <mrmoku> F4t, syslog says something maybe interesting
Jul 29 11:54:56 <mrmoku> Jul 29 13:46:18 om-gta02 daemon.err connmand[1647]: Failed to open RFKILL control device
Jul 29 11:55:34 <F4t> mrmoku, rfkil isnt much interesting, anyway, try scan, and give it time....
Jul 29 11:56:13 <mrmoku> F4t, tried it three times... will try some more :P
Jul 29 11:56:32 <F4t> mrmoku, connman annoys me so much... :-/
Jul 29 11:56:47 <mrmoku> F4t, we could switch to networkmanager :D
Jul 29 11:56:54 <F4t> im upgrading to bleeding edge now, we'll see if i can recreate the problem...
Jul 29 11:57:09 <F4t> mrmoku, i heard nm has endless amount of dependencies or some such...
Jul 29 11:57:31 <mrmoku> F4t, 0.22+gitr1624+56e51a08849a704b79211fa1467346c611683a43-r1
Jul 29 11:57:34 <F4t> mrmoku, anyway first step would be to just add it to the repo, so i and some ppl can test it and play with it...
Jul 29 11:57:35 <mrmoku> is what I have installed
Jul 29 11:58:15 <F4t> thats one commit before latest
Jul 29 11:58:41 <mrmoku> F4t, http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/category/networkmanager/
Jul 29 11:58:44 <F4t> wth is rsn security?
Jul 29 11:59:45 <mrmoku> F4t, hehe, I saw the commit in connman some time ago... changing wpa2 to rsn
Jul 29 11:59:48 <mrmoku> no idea why
Jul 29 11:59:57 <F4t> *sigh*
Jul 29 12:00:08 <mrmoku> I take it as 'real secure network' ;)
Jul 29 12:00:30 <F4t> mrmoku, anyway, when you have time, i'd be very happy if you or anyone else manages to add NM to shr-unstable repo, i'd like to test it and play around with it
Jul 29 12:00:47 <mrmoku> F4t, trying to see what is there already...
Jul 29 12:01:42 <mrmoku> F4t, yeah, recipe to build nm from svn is in our tree
Jul 29 12:01:46 * mrmoku building it locally now
Jul 29 12:02:19 <mrmoku> and does not build :(
Jul 29 12:02:56 <F4t> mrmoku, its probably old?
Jul 29 12:03:10 <F4t> mrmoku, either that, or thats the reason why we are using connman
Jul 29 12:07:59 <mrmoku> F4t, nah, just stupid mrmoku :P
Jul 29 12:11:32 <F4t> god i love my isp's torrent caching skills :D
Jul 29 12:15:02 <F4t> how i wish to have physical access to thouse caching servers.....
Jul 29 12:15:31 <PaulFertser> johnsu01: it seems that even if emacs has only one tty window it doesn't receive dbus messages on time.
Jul 29 12:18:01 <a21_work> mrmoku: are u still there?
Jul 29 12:18:23 <mrmoku> yep
Jul 29 12:18:54 <a21_work> what about tangogps buttons? are related to the fix and now correct in your shr?
Jul 29 12:19:16 <a21_work> (not yet tried here)
Jul 29 12:20:01 <mrmoku> a21_work, tangogps looks like always to me
Jul 29 12:20:26 <a21_work> ah... and vala-term's icons?
Jul 29 12:20:29 <dos1> F4t: GTK+ (gpe-scap)
Jul 29 12:20:48 <a21_work> I can see [x] broken images
Jul 29 12:20:51 <mrmoku> a21_work, are there too
Jul 29 12:21:13 <a21_work> mhh... also _before_ your fix?
Jul 29 12:21:20 <mrmoku> a21_work, did not try that
Jul 29 12:21:26 <Deubeuliou> mrmoku: pong. I'm back from vacation. I'll have some time to spend on the libframeworkd-phonegui API and the gtk frontend
Jul 29 12:21:38 <a21_work> ah.. ok.. now I'll try.. stay tuned! ;)
Jul 29 12:21:41 <mrmoku> Deubeuliou, welcome back then :)
Jul 29 12:23:07 <Deubeuliou> thanks
Jul 29 12:23:17 <dos1> actual libframeworkd-phonegui api is BAAAD
Jul 29 12:23:27 <dos1> who invented that ugly phonegui_get_function?
Jul 29 12:23:29 <dos1> :/
Jul 29 12:23:34 <TAsn> dos1, bad is an understatement!
Jul 29 12:23:41 <TAsn> I dunno
Jul 29 12:23:55 <TAsn> but I almost puked first time I saw it.
Jul 29 12:24:02 <dos1> TAsn: i tried to write python-phonegui bindings
Jul 29 12:24:05 <TAsn> I really don't get why he didn't init the API
Jul 29 12:24:08 <TAsn> there
Jul 29 12:24:10 <TAsn> dos1, don,t.
Jul 29 12:24:14 <dos1> TAsn: but i failed, thanks to that function :P
Jul 29 12:24:17 <TAsn> don't. ;)
Jul 29 12:24:22 <TAsn> phonegui is bad! :)
Jul 29 12:24:30 <TAsn> phonegui_init
Jul 29 12:24:36 <TAsn> sholud have just initialized all the functions
Jul 29 12:24:49 <dos1> well, there is no phonegui_init
Jul 29 12:24:51 <TAsn> I think i'll fix that tonight...
Jul 29 12:24:51 <TAsn> ffs this is plain dumb... ;|
Jul 29 12:25:01 <dos1> there is phonegui_load and phonegui_get_function ;P
Jul 29 12:25:16 <mrmoku> TAsn, NO please don't :P
Jul 29 12:25:28 <TAsn> brb food.
Jul 29 12:25:50 <dos1> from C maybe it's ok... by when i want to call returned function from python
Jul 29 12:25:53 <dos1> kabum, segfaults :P
Jul 29 12:26:18 <dos1> s/by/but/
Jul 29 12:26:27 <TAsn> dos1, I meant load.
Jul 29 12:26:31 <TAsn> mrmoku, why not?
Jul 29 12:26:49 <mrmoku> TAsn, because we will NEVER get to something to test then
Jul 29 12:26:57 <TAsn> lol.
Jul 29 12:26:59 <TAsn> :)
Jul 29 12:27:02 <mrmoku> and because IIRC there was some strong reason for that
Jul 29 12:27:11 <mrmoku> talk to Ainulindale first ;)
Jul 29 12:27:12 <TAsn> mrmoku, I bet there wasn't.
Jul 29 12:27:15 <TAsn> as it's plain dumb.
Jul 29 12:27:22 <a21_work> mmh.. mrmoku.. I'm not able to bring up my tcp-usb so how I could update? XD
Jul 29 12:27:24 <TAsn> :{
Jul 29 12:27:24 <TAsn> Ainulindale, EXPLAIN!
Jul 29 12:27:30 <TAsn> mrmoku, it's plain dumb
Jul 29 12:27:34 <TAsn> as each app does it itself
Jul 29 12:27:44 <TAsn> which is ridiculous...
Jul 29 12:27:53 <dos1> well, i don't care about load and init...
Jul 29 12:27:59 <mrmoku> TAsn, there was a reason
Jul 29 12:28:06 <dos1> but i do about get_function...
Jul 29 12:28:09 <TAsn> <TAsn> Ainulindale, EXPLAIN!
Jul 29 12:28:17 <TAsn> I'm still waiting to hear it ;)
Jul 29 12:28:23 <mrmoku> a21_work, ifup usb0 does not work?
Jul 29 12:29:03 * mrmoku books some yoga course for TAsn... to get him back some patience ;)
Jul 29 12:29:04 <a21_work> no
Jul 29 12:29:37 <a21_work> no such device
Jul 29 12:29:49 <TAsn> evas does exactly the same
Jul 29 12:29:49 <TAsn> and works great
Jul 29 12:29:49 <TAsn> without this nonsense
Jul 29 12:29:49 <TAsn> (I'm talking about evas engines)
Jul 29 12:29:51 <a21_work> ooohmmm
Jul 29 12:30:17 <a21_work> ohm sweet ohm :P
Jul 29 12:30:26 <a21_work> [kraftwerk]
Jul 29 12:30:30 <TAsn> mrmoku, :)
Jul 29 12:30:46 <TAsn> I am patient, furthermore, I'm leaving to wait somewhere else :{
Jul 29 12:30:48 <TAsn> :)
Jul 29 12:30:49 <TAsn> ciao.
Jul 29 12:32:54 <a21_work> umh... what is .ubifs.img ?
Jul 29 12:34:50 <TAsn> mrmoku, btw, any reason why NOT to flash your image?
Jul 29 12:35:08 <TAsn> or am I ready to give it a go?
Jul 29 12:35:40 <a21_work> TAsn: keep away from latest
Jul 29 12:35:57 <a21_work> 28/Jul
Jul 29 12:36:25 <a21_work> I tried .tar.gz and it's a little broken
Jul 29 12:36:46 <a21_work> (you have to manually fix it)
Jul 29 12:37:22 <TAsn> a21_work, fix what?
Jul 29 12:37:24 <TAsn> mrmoku, ... :(
Jul 29 12:39:24 <mrmoku> TAsn, good reasons yeah
Jul 29 12:39:35 <mrmoku> somebody should put up the red flag ;)
Jul 29 12:39:43 <TAsn> mrmoku, :)
Jul 29 12:40:20 <mrmoku> TAsn, somehow all the opkg configures did not run while installing into the rootfs
Jul 29 12:40:30 <mrmoku> and thus you're left with a broken image
Jul 29 12:40:39 <TAsn> you see?
Jul 29 12:40:41 <TAsn> opkg is broken
Jul 29 12:40:41 <mrmoku> opkg-cl install -force-reinstall dbus fixes that
Jul 29 12:40:43 <TAsn> not my fault :)
Jul 29 12:40:57 <mrmoku> well... still have to check if it did not take your version :P
Jul 29 12:41:10 <mrmoku> and broke for that ;)
Jul 29 12:41:24 <PaulFertser> larsc: doesn't my mail make _any_ sense at all? :( i wish i knew git better...
Jul 29 12:43:37 <mrmoku> TAsn, uhhh, yeah :P
Jul 29 12:43:52 <TAsn> took mine?
Jul 29 12:43:57 <mrmoku> yep :)
Jul 29 12:44:09 <mrmoku> it is using opkg-native
Jul 29 12:44:17 <mrmoku> did not rebuild it :P
Jul 29 12:44:36 <mrmoku> because I did not bump PR
Jul 29 12:44:45 <mrmoku> so I take part of it :(
Jul 29 12:45:26 <larsc> PaulFertser: It does. It describes almost exactly what I envisioned.
Jul 29 12:49:02 <PaulFertser> larsc: ah, ok, nice to hear. I like the topgit idea, those occassional hackers will be able to send patches against "distro" branch without need to learn it. Only participating in pushing upstream will have to get used to this new tool.
Jul 29 12:49:46 <PaulFertser> larsc: how's your exam btw?
Jul 29 12:50:33 <larsc> PaulFertser: I guess I didn't do so well. Not results yet though.
Jul 29 12:50:53 <PaulFertser> larsc: what topic was it on?
Jul 29 12:51:48 <larsc> PaulFertser: stochastics...
Jul 29 12:51:51 <larsc> I hate it
Jul 29 12:57:59 <mrmoku> TAsn, ValueError: could not find pkg-config module: "libphone-utils"
Jul 29 12:58:00 <mrmoku> FATAL: python setup.py build_ext execution failed.
Jul 29 12:59:12 <TAsn> mrmoku, fix python-utils recipe to depend on
Jul 29 12:59:16 <TAsn> libphone-utils
Jul 29 12:59:16 <TAsn> ?
Jul 29 12:59:26 <TAsn> no idea :)
Jul 29 12:59:48 <mrmoku> TAsn, maybe you put the wrong name for your dep?
Jul 29 13:00:12 <TAsn> mrmoku, I didn't write python-phoneutlis
Jul 29 13:00:20 <TAsn> utils
Jul 29 13:00:20 <TAsn> dos1, did.
Jul 29 13:00:34 <mrmoku> ahh, ouch
Jul 29 13:00:42 <Ainulindale> TAsn: what do you want me to explain?
Jul 29 13:00:45 <mrmoku> I thought it was building the phonelog :)
Jul 29 13:00:47 <mrmoku> dos1, PING
Jul 29 13:00:48 <Ainulindale> Make it short and simple, I drank 
Jul 29 13:00:54 <dos1> mrmoku: pong ;x
Jul 29 13:01:01 <Ainulindale> (I celebreated the fact I'm quitting my company)
Jul 29 13:01:05 <mrmoku> dos1, any idea about that ^^
Jul 29 13:01:15 <dos1> mrmoku: i didn't change that
Jul 29 13:01:18 <mrmoku> hmm
Jul 29 13:01:27 <dos1> mrmoku: it was also libphone-utils previously
Jul 29 13:01:27 <mrmoku> but it worked :(
Jul 29 13:01:38 <dos1> mrmoku: and it's libphone-utils here, on my pc
Jul 29 13:02:03 <TAsn> it's also libphone-utils here
Jul 29 13:02:06 <TAsn> which can only mean one thing
Jul 29 13:02:10 <TAsn> you didn't build libphone-utils yet
Jul 29 13:02:16 <TAsn> i.e the recipe is broken
Jul 29 13:02:18 <TAsn> Ainulindale, not now,
Jul 29 13:02:23 <TAsn> now I'm off
Jul 29 13:02:23 <TAsn> brb later :)
Jul 29 13:02:24 <TAsn> ciao.
Jul 29 13:05:17 <mrmoku> dos1, do you have a .pc in /usr/lib/pkgconfig?
Jul 29 13:05:35 <mrmoku> plonk... new connman version again :P
Jul 29 13:06:12 <dos1> mrmoku: i have it in /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/ here :P
Jul 29 13:06:32 <dos1> on my pc
Jul 29 13:06:53 <mrmoku> F4t, Fix missing update of signal strength from scan results
Jul 29 13:06:57 <mrmoku> want me to build it? :)
Jul 29 13:07:20 <dos1> eating
Jul 29 13:07:24 <mrmoku> dos1, ok, was a missing DEPEND
Jul 29 13:07:28 <F4t> mrmoku, should bother any of the important connection code...
Jul 29 13:07:31 <mrmoku> have a nice meal
Jul 29 13:07:37 <dos1|away> thx :)
Jul 29 13:08:58 <F4t> souldnt*
Jul 29 13:10:08 <mrmoku> F4t, cannot be the reason why scanning does not work?
Jul 29 13:10:18 <mrmoku> mokonnect not getting the callback on signal updates?
Jul 29 13:10:45 <mrmoku> F4t, anyway... I'm building a new image... so it will build it :)
Jul 29 13:11:01 <F4t> mrmoku, no python exception, so shouldnt be a problem....
Jul 29 13:11:17 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, so your old job is over now :) 
Jul 29 13:11:31 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: friday
Jul 29 13:11:31 <mrmoku> guess you did not have your drinks with your old boss ;)
Jul 29 13:11:32 <F4t> im still updating.... 
Jul 29 13:11:41 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: well he was there but did not drink
Jul 29 13:11:45 <Ainulindale> and I learned something
Jul 29 13:11:47 <Ainulindale> When he yelled at me
Jul 29 13:11:53 <Ainulindale> He started drinking again about that time
Jul 29 13:11:57 <Ainulindale> that's why he was cranky
Jul 29 13:12:03 <mrmoku> ahh
Jul 29 13:12:10 <mrmoku> alcoholism is a bad thing, yeah
Jul 29 13:17:42 <mrmoku> ok, visitors arriving... bbl maybe
Jul 29 13:41:50 <usr> i need some help with python-elementary. can somebody tell me how to set the position and size of a button?
Jul 29 13:44:30 <F4t> usr, exact position? about size i can tell you i only know how to stretch it to full size horizontally or vertically....
Jul 29 13:44:47 <usr> i've created a box : box0.size_hint_weight_set(1.0, 1.0)... does the box cover my whole window?
Jul 29 13:45:15 <F4t> usr, weigt(1,1) and align(-1,-1) then yes, the whole screen
Jul 29 13:45:23 <F4t> whole window*
Jul 29 13:45:40 <usr> ok i'll take a sec
Jul 29 13:47:57 <usr> ok i got the button to fill the whole box, screen, window whatever... nice ^^
Jul 29 13:53:03 <blindcoder> dos1|away: I've now let the gps sit for several hours, but I still can't get a fix. Should I have done something else after boot, stty -F ttySAC1 sane, wait for fix in Settings -> GPS?
Jul 29 13:53:34 <dos1> blindcoder: don't ask me. i just said what i did, but i still don't know why it works now and why it didn't worked before
Jul 29 13:53:56 <blindcoder> dos1: alright, then it's probably something else.
Jul 29 13:54:19 <dos1> blindcoder: i think it's the same, i just had luck :P
Jul 29 13:54:29 <blindcoder> or that :)
Jul 29 13:54:51 <dos1> blindcoder: cause i don't think that what i did had any influence...
Jul 29 13:54:56 <dos1> it just stopped to work
Jul 29 13:54:59 <dos1> and then just started again
Jul 29 13:55:24 <dos1> until someone will be able to reproduce that...
Jul 29 13:56:11 <blindcoder> hmm... tangogps uses fso-gpsd, right?
Jul 29 13:56:25 <blindcoder> so maybe if I connect an external GPS mouse and use a 'normal' gpsd...
Jul 29 13:56:52 <blindcoder> I got a USB gps receiver lying around *somewhere*
Jul 29 14:00:03 <usr> i can set the position of my button but not it's size...
Jul 29 14:00:41 <dos1> blindcoder: tangogps uses gpsd protocol
Jul 29 14:00:51 <Deubeuliou> blindcoder: you should have sticked a gps signal emitter to localize and find it
Jul 29 14:00:53 <dos1> blindcoder: fso-gpsd sends ogpsd data in gpsd protocol
Jul 29 14:01:12 <blindcoder> dos1: I guess it should be possible then
Jul 29 14:01:14 <blindcoder> Deubeuliou: huh?
Jul 29 14:01:21 <blindcoder> Deubeuliou: ah :)
Jul 29 14:02:40 <blindcoder> okay, got it
Jul 29 14:03:05 <blindcoder> I guess I need a USB hub to connect something to my FR by USB, right?
Jul 29 14:03:20 <DocScrutinizer> blindcoder: heh, gps worked great for SHR-U090703 image.
Jul 29 14:03:21 <a21_work> mmh... I think I could close some ticket of mine... but how I can query trac? option 7 reports "No matches found."
Jul 29 14:03:35 <blindcoder> DocScrutinizer: hmm.. I have a spare partition to try that
Jul 29 14:04:24 <blindcoder> DocScrutinizer: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090703-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz ?
Jul 29 14:04:36 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Jul 29 14:04:40 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: it doesn't depend on image (at last here)
Jul 29 14:04:49 <DocScrutinizer> plus corresponding kernel!
Jul 29 14:04:49 <blindcoder> DocScrutinizer: which kernel?
Jul 29 14:04:56 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: either on kernel
Jul 29 14:05:14 <DocScrutinizer> blindcoder: kernel same date
Jul 29 14:05:14 <blindcoder> hmm, Locations and OM2008.12 doesn't get a fix either
Jul 29 14:05:35 <usr> how do i get the button to the bottom of my screen?
Jul 29 14:06:15 <dos1> usr: like in any other box-model
Jul 29 14:06:56 <dos1> window -> box -> (something at whole screen, button)
Jul 29 14:07:16 <DocScrutinizer> blindcoder: after installing, open shr-settings, gps, and switch to manual-on. wait until fix. NO stty or any other messing around
Jul 29 14:07:37 <dos1> DocScrutinizer, blindcoder: i wonder if it would help. here it didn't
Jul 29 14:07:52 <spaetz> usr: by aligning it with (0,1)
Jul 29 14:08:06 <usr> i'll try it
Jul 29 14:08:24 <DocScrutinizer> I'm just reporting my results, not suggesting it's any kinda cure for unknown problems
Jul 29 14:08:25 <blindcoder> dos1, DocScrutinizer: I'll give it a try on a spare sd partition. But since OM2008.12 didn't get a fix either, I doubt it
Jul 29 14:08:46 <DocScrutinizer> bah, 2008 is crap
Jul 29 14:09:13 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: it's crap, but it should get fix correctly - it's using plain gpsd
Jul 29 14:09:22 <dos1> AFAIR
Jul 29 14:09:52 <dos1> at last it worked correctly when i tried it with 2007.2 and 2008.8
Jul 29 14:09:54 <DocScrutinizer> a very obsolete version though, lacking any AGPS support afaik
Jul 29 14:10:09 <DocScrutinizer> nah, even worse, a big bug in AGPS
Jul 29 14:10:15 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: of course, i agree ;) but it should work
Jul 29 14:10:22 <DocScrutinizer> nope
Jul 29 14:10:27 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: AGPS in 2008.8?
Jul 29 14:10:31 <DocScrutinizer> only if you delete pickle
Jul 29 14:10:40 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Jul 29 14:10:43 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: nooo... that was old ogpsd problem :P
Jul 29 14:10:54 <dos1> that was FSO ms4
Jul 29 14:11:11 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Jul 29 14:11:23 <usr> yes it works, but now... how can i set its size in x to fill the whole size?         bt.size_hint_weight_set(1.0, 0.5)?
Jul 29 14:11:29 <dos1> in ms5 AGPS was disabled, and in ms5.5 it's fixed and turned on again
Jul 29 14:11:39 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: before FSO there wasn't AGPS support on neo
Jul 29 14:11:50 <dos1> as everything was using NMEA, not UBX
Jul 29 14:12:01 <spaetz> bt.size_hint_weight_set(1.0, 0.0) makes it use all horizontal space and only as much vertical space as needed
Jul 29 14:12:02 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Jul 29 14:12:32 <spaetz> (1.0,0.5) might work too, no idea
Jul 29 14:12:39 <spaetz> although I would think not
Jul 29 14:12:57 <dos1> and om2008 wasn't using FSO. so it should work :D
Jul 29 14:13:02 <DocScrutinizer> anyway you can't say any recent distro won't prolly yield working GPS *because* 2008.xx didn't either
Jul 29 14:13:16 <DocScrutinizer> that's plain nonsense
Jul 29 14:13:30 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: nooo, i'm not saying that
Jul 29 14:13:43 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: i only think that's deeper issue than userspace
Jul 29 14:14:07 * blindcoder .oO( bad soldering? thick isolation? )
Jul 29 14:14:08 <usr> so if i use bt.size_hint_align_set(0.0, 1.0) and bt.size_hint_weight_set(1.0, 0.0) i have a small button on the left side in the middle of the screen
Jul 29 14:14:09 <DocScrutinizer> correct chip init I guess
Jul 29 14:14:20 <dos1> as without *any* userspace change, it just stopped to work
Jul 29 14:14:30 <blindcoder> DocScrutinizer: om2008 didn't yield a fix either
Jul 29 14:15:05 <a21_work> mmh.. news about #467 ?
Jul 29 14:15:18 <a21_work> http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/467
Jul 29 14:15:28 <dos1> hmmm
Jul 29 14:15:42 <dos1> i have non-fixed gta02a5
Jul 29 14:15:51 <dos1> with that gps/sd interferencing issue
Jul 29 14:15:58 <dos1> maybe that's something with that?
Jul 29 14:16:10 <blindcoder> a6 here
Jul 29 14:16:14 <PaulFertser> dos1: doesn't look like it.
Jul 29 14:16:15 <blindcoder> with buzz fixed
Jul 29 14:16:15 <dos1> :(
Jul 29 14:16:31 <PaulFertser> dos1: it's related to not getting a fix while the exchange with the chip works.
Jul 29 14:16:42 <dos1> heh
Jul 29 14:16:49 <dos1> i'm out of ideas
Jul 29 14:17:18 <usr> spaetz: could u take a look pls? http://pastebin.com/m3199c999
Jul 29 14:17:58 <spaetz> what's the problem?
Jul 29 14:18:04 <DocScrutinizer> blindcoder: at fab your gps had a fix, it's part of QA
Jul 29 14:18:29 <usr> the button is still in the middle of the screen and just on the left side
Jul 29 14:18:41 <blindcoder> DocScrutinizer: I see
Jul 29 14:18:47 <F4t> christ, im still upgrading the kernel, it takes foreverrrrr
Jul 29 14:18:59 <blindcoder> sec, gotta reboot to linux now for a test
Jul 29 14:21:05 <spaetz> usr, I have no elementary installed on this box, so I can't test it now. But it looks like it should be about right
Jul 29 14:21:20 <spaetz> I never liked those clumsy numerical arguments
Jul 29 14:21:50 <spaetz> usr: I propose to look at some working code, e.g. the shr-settings code
Jul 29 14:21:58 <dos1> usr: try align(0.0, 1.0) and weight(-1.0, 0.0)
Jul 29 14:23:10 <usr> also the same as before 
Jul 29 14:23:39 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: dos1 had a fix too first several months.
Jul 29 14:23:59 <DocScrutinizer> yep, and now?
Jul 29 14:24:00 <dos1> i had fix almost always
Jul 29 14:24:26 <DocScrutinizer> why should that change (except for sw-regressions)?
Jul 29 14:24:29 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: now i also have
Jul 29 14:25:01 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: the only sw regression which could happen in my case was fs corruption on sd card :P
Jul 29 14:25:13 <DocScrutinizer> sure U have ;) as long as U didn't break your gps-ant
Jul 29 14:25:17 <dos1> as it stopped working when i was on trip, logging cells
Jul 29 14:25:46 <dos1> i even didn't have terminal opened, just openBmapGTK and shr-settings :P
Jul 29 14:25:56 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: rogue data in pickle?
Jul 29 14:26:21 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: no, i tried removing, rebooting, both at once etc. several times
Jul 29 14:26:31 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: GPS started to work again two days after that
Jul 29 14:26:36 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, so heissenbug
Jul 29 14:26:40 <dos1> again without any reason
Jul 29 14:27:48 <blindcoder> *grr* e crashed, had to remove .e :/
Jul 29 14:28:50 <DocScrutinizer> hm, may be we should add "remove any other source of interference (all electric equipment) from a 5m perimeter of FR for FirstFix"
Jul 29 14:29:11 <DocScrutinizer> ...to recommendations
Jul 29 14:29:24 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: well, it stopped to work 100km from here
Jul 29 14:29:29 <dos1> ;)
Jul 29 14:30:14 <DocScrutinizer> no idea
Jul 29 14:30:46 <dos1> well, i wouldn't care about that, but it happened to me second time now
Jul 29 14:30:54 <dos1> and i don't know when it would happen again
Jul 29 14:31:35 <dos1> and i know murphy's laws
Jul 29 14:31:42 <dos1> so i'm not optimistic with that bug :D
Jul 29 14:35:25 <dos1> mrmoku|away, TAsn, Ainulindale, others from core-team: what about ophonekitd dbusification vel. new phoneui? work stalled? ;(
Jul 29 14:35:54 <TAsn> dos1, Ainulindale claims he's just waiting for our response on ML
Jul 29 14:36:33 <dos1> TAsn: response to...?
Jul 29 14:36:47 <TAsn> shr-core mail he sent about it.
Jul 29 14:36:57 * dos1 has awful mess in inbox
Jul 29 14:38:35 <ceda_wrk> ouch, just lost a call. it kept buzzing after I pressed Accept, screen changed but no sound
Jul 29 14:39:11 <TAsn> dos1, btw, it just doesn't save calls :(
Jul 29 14:39:18 <TAsn> (opimd)
Jul 29 14:39:26 <TAsn> any suggestions of what to do that may help?
Jul 29 14:39:58 <dos1> not now, i have to go
Jul 29 14:40:15 <dos1> but i'll be soon
Jul 29 14:43:13 <Ainulindale> dos1|away: I'm waiting for people to start the technical spec thread
Jul 29 14:43:17 <Ainulindale> as I don't have time until monday
Jul 29 14:48:01 <blindcoder> okay
Jul 29 14:48:10 <blindcoder> my gps mouse does get a fix OUTSIDE
Jul 29 14:48:16 <blindcoder> but not INSIDE
Jul 29 14:48:17 <TAsn> Ainulindale, here you are!
Jul 29 14:48:24 <TAsn> the questions still lies open
Jul 29 14:48:32 <TAsn> question*
Jul 29 14:48:55 <blindcoder> so a) it is a reception issue
Jul 29 14:49:04 <blindcoder> and b) I need to connect the usb mouse to my FR
Jul 29 14:49:08 <TAsn> gps mouse?
Jul 29 14:49:16 <a21_work> XD
Jul 29 14:49:21 <blindcoder> TAsn: usb gps receiver
Jul 29 14:49:27 <blindcoder> TAsn: sometimes also called gps mouse
Jul 29 14:49:37 <TAsn> i c.
Jul 29 14:49:48 <TAsn> gps isn't designed to work inside
Jul 29 14:49:50 <TAsn> problem solved.
Jul 29 14:49:54 <Ainulindale> TAsn: which questions?
Jul 29 14:50:11 <TAsn> Ainulindale, only one
Jul 29 14:50:14 <blindcoder> TAsn: this house is a faraday cage anyway...
Jul 29 14:50:25 <TAsn> why the heck does phonegui uses that ugly get function?
Jul 29 14:50:34 <TAsn> instead of just initializing of all the functions itself?
Jul 29 14:50:35 <F4t> does anyone here own a netbook, i'd like to hear some comments about different models, to see if and which to buy.....
Jul 29 14:50:45 <Ainulindale> TAsn: quickdev did that this way
Jul 29 14:50:49 <Ainulindale> TAsn: and in the future
Jul 29 14:50:54 <Ainulindale> we might want, at one time, to load this function
Jul 29 14:50:57 <Ainulindale> and at another, that function
Jul 29 14:51:02 <Ainulindale> (e.g. rules to switch UI)
Jul 29 14:51:10 <Ainulindale> anyway, that's not the case now so I don't really care about that
Jul 29 14:51:14 <a21_work> F4t: buy openPandora! ;)
Jul 29 14:51:18 <TAsn> I know quickdev did it this way, I'm asking why
Jul 29 14:51:23 <TAsn> I didn't quite get your second sent.
Jul 29 14:51:37 <Ainulindale> TAsn: "god created earth", I don't know why :-p
Jul 29 14:51:56 <Ainulindale> Nor why people keep calling the whatever it is which created earth god
Jul 29 14:52:03 <Ainulindale> TAsn: as for my 2nd sentence
Jul 29 14:52:16 <tobii_> F4t: i had the samsung nc10
Jul 29 14:52:17 <Ainulindale> In the end we'll have, for instance, two librairies
Jul 29 14:52:19 <Ainulindale> gtk & efl
Jul 29 14:52:26 <F4t> a21_work, whats open pandora?
Jul 29 14:52:27 <Ainulindale> if I want in this case to use efl
Jul 29 14:52:31 <F4t> tobii_, how was it?
Jul 29 14:52:32 <Ainulindale> I'll use get_function(efl, thing)
Jul 29 14:52:38 <Ainulindale> or get_function(thing)
Jul 29 14:52:42 <Ainulindale> which will compute the rules
Jul 29 14:52:44 <Ainulindale> etc.
Jul 29 14:52:53 <Ainulindale> It might or might not be good, I don't care
Jul 29 14:52:57 <Ainulindale> If you have valid reasons to change it
Jul 29 14:53:00 <TAsn> this is *BAD*
Jul 29 14:53:02 <TAsn> you can just
Jul 29 14:53:06 <Ainulindale> Just explain them and do as you like
Jul 29 14:53:07 <TAsn> phonegui_load(EFL{
Jul 29 14:53:11 <TAsn> phonegui_load(EFL{
Jul 29 14:53:11 <TAsn> phonegui_load(EFL)
Jul 29 14:53:11 <a21_work> O_O F4t try with google! ;) if you have openmoko you must have openpandora too XD
Jul 29 14:53:12 <F4t> a21_work, too small, ill have easier time programing on the moko...
Jul 29 14:53:13 <TAsn> ffs
Jul 29 14:53:13 <TAsn> :)
Jul 29 14:53:26 <Ainulindale> TAsn: what about temporary "contextual" change?
Jul 29 14:53:32 <tobii_> F4t: its quite nice
Jul 29 14:53:34 <TAsn> and it'll set a bunch of function pointers
Jul 29 14:53:34 <TAsn> to the efl functions
Jul 29 14:53:35 <Ainulindale> That is if I want to use dialer gtk and contact efl ?
Jul 29 14:53:52 <Ainulindale> (just making you think here, not trying to make a point)
Jul 29 14:53:57 <TAsn> Ainulindale, we can keep that
Jul 29 14:54:04 <TAsn> get thingy
Jul 29 14:54:09 <Ainulindale> TAsn: listen
Jul 29 14:54:13 <Ainulindale> this method isn't mandatory
Jul 29 14:54:14 <TAsn> though in general it's just bad.
Jul 29 14:54:17 <Ainulindale> If you have a better technical way to do it
Jul 29 14:54:22 <TAsn> you are duplicating code
Jul 29 14:54:22 <Ainulindale> And valid reasons to change it
Jul 29 14:54:33 <TAsn> I will.
Jul 29 14:54:35 <Ainulindale> Knowing that "it's ugly" or "it's bad" are not valid reasons
Jul 29 14:54:45 <TAsn> it's ugly and bad are technical reasons
Jul 29 14:54:49 <Ainulindale> Then just say so on the ML and do it
Jul 29 14:54:49 <Ainulindale> No
Jul 29 14:54:53 <TAsn> as this results in duplicating code
Jul 29 14:54:58 <Ainulindale> That is a reason
Jul 29 14:54:59 <TAsn> every client of the api has to
Jul 29 14:55:00 <Ainulindale> "It's bad" isn't
Jul 29 14:55:07 <Ainulindale> That's my point :-)
Jul 29 14:55:14 <TAsn> initiate functions himself
Jul 29 14:55:23 <Ainulindale> TAsn: every client will have to unless it's done with dbus
Jul 29 14:55:29 <TAsn> instead of just letting phonegui do it
Jul 29 14:55:31 <TAsn> as it should.
Jul 29 14:55:36 <Ainulindale> ah, this way
Jul 29 14:55:45 <Ainulindale> yes this way results in duplicated code, I agree
Jul 29 14:55:50 <Ainulindale> and this is a valid reason
Jul 29 14:55:55 <Ainulindale> on the contrary, again, "it's bad" isn't :-)
Jul 29 14:56:01 <Ainulindale> And I'll slap you if you say so :-)
Jul 29 14:56:07 <TAsn> Ainulindale, :)
Jul 29 14:56:14 <TAsn> it's bad is not a valid reason
Jul 29 14:56:28 <TAsn> though you can derive valid reasons from it ;)
Jul 29 14:58:21 <Ainulindale> well it's the other way around
Jul 29 14:58:28 <Ainulindale> you can derive that something on bad for valid reasons
Jul 29 14:58:40 <Ainulindale> but that's a shortcut for an argument
Jul 29 14:58:41 <a21_work> F4t: read pm ;)
Jul 29 14:59:03 <Ainulindale> saying that "Your mother sucks" means nothing until you explain why she sucks, except if she's actually sucking people
Jul 29 14:59:07 <TAsn> hehe, yes I figured it's the other way around after I wrote it.
Jul 29 14:59:10 <Ainulindale> (yeah, that was both rude & vulgar)
Jul 29 14:59:14 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I'll never say that.
Jul 29 14:59:32 <TAsn> :)
Jul 29 14:59:32 <TAsn> as it's rude && vulgar
Jul 29 14:59:32 <TAsn> ^
Jul 29 14:59:33 <ptitjes_> Ainulindale: I replied. It is OK for me :)
Jul 29 14:59:37 <Ainulindale> TAsn: I was trying to make a point by using a "youngser"-typed language more understandable by you =)
Jul 29 14:59:39 <blindcoder> gotta go, bbl
Jul 29 14:59:41 <Ainulindale> +t
Jul 29 14:59:49 <Ainulindale> TAsn: that or I was trolling
Jul 29 14:59:51 <Ainulindale> ptitjes_: ok 
Jul 29 14:59:55 <ptitjes_> Ainulindale: I really should buy some new memory
Jul 29 15:00:01 <TAsn> Ainulindale, you were trolling.
Jul 29 15:00:06 <ptitjes_> :p
Jul 29 15:00:09 <TAsn> ptitjes_, I should really buy a new cpu :)
Jul 29 15:00:22 <ptitjes_> TAsn: I told you already ;)
Jul 29 15:00:23 <Ainulindale> ptitjes_: that and a new book calle "technical arguments howto"
Jul 29 15:00:39 <Ainulindale> +d
Jul 29 15:00:43 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: nah
Jul 29 15:01:05 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: I don't know what is technical stuff, so I should first some material on this
Jul 29 15:01:31 <ptitjes> +read
Jul 29 15:03:33 <tobii_> F4t: i tkake the nc10 beause the keyboard is bigger then at the eeepc. The trackpad is small but i usually use the keyboard. The Battery is very good. Up to 5 hours :)
Jul 29 15:13:49 <DocScrutinizer> http://secunia.com/advisories/36041/
Jul 29 15:16:02 <Ainulindale> TAsn: http://alt-tab.org/?post/1293 <= I like Israel now
Jul 29 15:16:19 <TAsn> finally!
Jul 29 15:16:19 <Ainulindale> (except for their songs)
Jul 29 15:16:21 <TAsn> sec, reading.
Jul 29 15:16:30 <Ainulindale> there's not much to read :-)
Jul 29 15:17:06 <TAsn> hehe yeah
Jul 29 15:17:14 <TAsn> hm.. this dude is called lior narkis
Jul 29 15:17:26 <TAsn> he's what we call an ARS
Jul 29 15:17:34 <TAsn> which here are considered sub-humans
Jul 29 15:17:38 <TAsn> :)
Jul 29 15:17:53 <TAsn> and the ARS music is called Mizrahit
Jul 29 15:17:56 <Ainulindale> TAsn: hahahah look at 2:00
Jul 29 15:17:59 <TAsn> which is considered sub-music :)
Jul 29 15:18:00 <Ainulindale> TAsn: and a few seconds later
Jul 29 15:18:01 <F4t> tobii_, k, thanks
Jul 29 15:18:13 <TAsn> but he got sexy girls for his clip, that' for sure :)
Jul 29 15:18:20 <Ainulindale> it's just plain dumb
Jul 29 15:19:58 <TAsn> Ainulindale, yes.
Jul 29 15:20:02 <TAsn> he is an ARS
Jul 29 15:20:05 <TAsn> they are sub-humans
Jul 29 15:20:09 <TAsn> they are dumb :)
Jul 29 15:20:13 <Ainulindale> =)
Jul 29 15:20:32 <TAsn> Ainulindale, :)
Jul 29 15:20:50 <TAsn> I'm of course exaggerating, though not a lot.
Jul 29 15:21:18 <TAsn> many places don't let ARS in
Jul 29 15:21:33 <TAsn> :)
Jul 29 15:22:21 * admiral0|away is away: shower
Jul 29 15:22:59 * mwester wonders why we really need to know why admiral0 is away -- is this twitter, now?
Jul 29 15:24:23 <tig|> @mwester  good grief I hope not  !cdevel  #twitterispointless
Jul 29 15:24:33 <Ainulindale> mrmoku|away: I see I'm not the only one to hate verbose away :-)
Jul 29 15:24:49 <PaulFertser> Me too. There's /away for a reason.
Jul 29 15:27:14 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: you're not extremist enough
Jul 29 15:27:17 <Ainulindale> I don't care about /away
Jul 29 15:27:24 <Ainulindale> I'm there or not, I don't care if people knows I am
Jul 29 15:27:35 <Ainulindale> That allows me to fake not being there :-)
Jul 29 15:27:40 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: that's why you fucking loose pings and important messages
Jul 29 15:27:51 <Ainulindale> nah I have hilights for that
Jul 29 15:27:55 <Ainulindale> and /lastlog
Jul 29 15:27:56 <Ainulindale> :-)
Jul 29 15:28:06 <PaulFertser> Heh, ok :D
Jul 29 15:28:11 <Ainulindale> That way when people are pinging me about something
Jul 29 15:28:15 <Ainulindale> But I'm busy with another thing
Jul 29 15:28:24 <Ainulindale> I fake not being there, and I'm left alone
Jul 29 15:28:30 <Ainulindale> That's priceless
Jul 29 15:32:04 <Ainulindale> TAsn: and after the pastafarianism, for your eyes : http://www.dudeism.com/
Jul 29 15:33:53 <TAsn> Ainulindale, lol.
Jul 29 15:34:12 <TAsn> Ainulindale, lastlog only searcher in the current log! you may still miss stuff! :(
Jul 29 15:35:42 <Ainulindale> nope
Jul 29 15:35:48 <Ainulindale> Not here :-)
Jul 29 15:40:03 <TAsn> oh. ;)
Jul 29 15:40:32 <dos1> Ainulindale: reason is: writing python bindings with that get_function is damn hard!
Jul 29 15:42:33 <Ainulindale> I'm not sure about that but anyway :-)
Jul 29 15:42:49 <Ainulindale> You know as well as me that this will change
Jul 29 15:42:53 <Ainulindale> So don't worry :-)
Jul 29 15:43:01 <Ainulindale> Meanwhile V've got to go
Jul 29 15:43:04 <Ainulindale> s/V/I/
Jul 29 15:43:04 <bzzbot> Ainulindale meant: Meanwhile I've got to go
Jul 29 15:43:14 <dos1> Ainulindale: yes, i know; that's why i asked about new specs :x
Jul 29 15:43:26 <Ainulindale> dos1: well I'll have time monday. Not before :-)
Jul 29 15:43:43 <dos1> Ainulindale: i'm waiting ;)
Jul 29 15:48:57 <usr> i don't used to the logic behind elementarys size_hints 
Jul 29 15:49:05 <usr> is there a howto?
Jul 29 15:52:21 <dos1> usr: it is
Jul 29 15:52:27 <dos1> usr: we call it "raster"
Jul 29 15:52:40 <dos1> ;)
Jul 29 15:53:39 <usr> so i can imagine a bid X crossing my display? with x and y?
Jul 29 15:53:59 <a21_work> I go, c u all \o/
Jul 29 15:54:10 <usr> cu
Jul 29 15:54:35 <usr> so y from 1 to -1 and y from 1 to -1?
Jul 29 15:54:51 <usr> dos1: right?
Jul 29 15:55:16 <dos1> usr: rather from -1 to 1
Jul 29 15:55:18 <TAsn> dos1, that's not the only reason!
Jul 29 15:55:29 <dos1> TAsn: but that's my main reson
Jul 29 15:55:33 <dos1> s/reson/reason/
Jul 29 15:55:34 <bzzbot> dos1 meant: TAsn: but that's my main reason
Jul 29 15:55:34 <dos1> ;)
Jul 29 15:55:34 <TAsn> :)
Jul 29 15:57:31 <usr> ok... so i create a box in a window: box0.size_hint_align_set(-1.0, -1.0) and box0.size_hint_weight_set(1.0, 1.0)
Jul 29 15:59:04 <blindcoder> dos1: I just went shopping (10 minute walk) and got a nice 3D Fix on the way
Jul 29 15:59:16 <blindcoder> dos1: I blame steel construction and wifi pollution
Jul 29 15:59:17 <dos1> blindcoder: ...
Jul 29 15:59:24 <DocScrutinizer> blindcoder: hahahaaaa
Jul 29 15:59:30 <dos1> blindcoder: so your problem is different than mine :P
Jul 29 15:59:34 <dos1> s/is/was
Jul 29 15:59:38 <blindcoder> yeah...
Jul 29 15:59:49 <blindcoder> thanks for putting up with me anyway :)
Jul 29 15:59:58 <blindcoder> bbl, kathleen has just fixed dinner
Jul 29 16:01:39 <usr> so where is box0.size_hint_align_set(-1.0, -1.0)? is this the left corner at the bottom in my screen?
Jul 29 16:03:30 <dos1> look at latest mail from mickey_away
Jul 29 16:03:36 <dos1> FSO core team founds BGB company
Jul 29 16:06:41 <PaulFertser> dos1: heh, and i somehow don't like the style of official press-release. Too many bad associations.
Jul 29 16:07:19 * dos1 is scared - google already has that press-release indexed ;x
Jul 29 16:07:29 <dos1> http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2009/07/29/fso-founds-bgb-company/
Jul 29 16:08:59 <dos1> i want to hire FSO devs to work at opimd! :D
Jul 29 16:11:23 * PaulFertser should have get debug board while there was a chance, now he gets tracebacks flowing way too fast on FR's LCM :)
Jul 29 16:11:45 <Weiss> why isn't there a chance now?
Jul 29 16:12:09 <PaulFertser> Weiss: because by the time snail mail delivers it i won't need it.
Jul 29 16:12:16 <Weiss> ah :(
Jul 29 16:12:58 <PaulFertser> Weiss: i should probably still ask for it hoping that i'll finally get gta01 and dboard will make hacking on it easier.
Jul 29 16:14:00 <dos1> spam from apple: "See, why your next notebook should be MacBook Pro" (in polish)
Jul 29 16:14:14 <d1b> dos1: lovelly 
Jul 29 16:14:15 <PaulFertser> It's just pretty much stupid that i didn't get it while i was at FSOSHRUDEVCON... Well, not surprising for a person like me..
Jul 29 16:14:33 <dos1> well, maybe (maybe i'll get crazy ;P), but i'm not planning to have next notebook soon ;)
Jul 29 16:15:04 <d1b> dos1: if i had the money i would :)
Jul 29 16:15:12 <dos1> i don't need
Jul 29 16:15:28 <d1b> dos1: multitouch :)
Jul 29 16:15:48 <dos1> d1b: nothing new, synaptics driver in linux has it for ages ;x
Jul 29 16:16:12 <dos1> (not for all touchpads, but for majority)
Jul 29 16:16:21 <d1b> dos1: not for all tho
Jul 29 16:16:42 <d1b> i seem to have the unsupported ones :(
Jul 29 16:17:26 * dos1 doesn't like macs
Jul 29 16:17:50 <d1b> dos1: the hardware is great :) 
Jul 29 16:18:10 <playya> its just a PC :P
Jul 29 16:18:18 <d1b> playya: yeah but their screens are nicer :)
Jul 29 16:18:20 <dos1> i agree - it's great, but for warming in cold room :P
Jul 29 16:18:47 * dos1 is happy he started flamewar, it was so boring on this chan :D
Jul 29 16:19:02 <d1b> hardly flamewar :)
Jul 29 16:19:30 <dos1> and it's boring again :(
Jul 29 16:19:36 <d1b> the one thing about mac i agree with you with is 
Jul 29 16:19:44 <d1b> xgrid is fail :)
Jul 29 16:19:52 <dos1> i have better idea
Jul 29 16:19:54 <d1b>  /their cluster thing
Jul 29 16:19:55 <dos1> linux sucks!
Jul 29 16:19:56 <dos1> ;D
Jul 29 16:20:00 <d1b> dos1: oh no !
Jul 29 16:20:15 <d1b> better start porting win mob to openmoko
Jul 29 16:20:37 <d1b> cough *glamo* sucks
Jul 29 16:20:53 <dos1> everyone agrees that glamo sucks
Jul 29 16:20:55 <dos1> so that's boring ;P
Jul 29 16:21:02 <d1b> dos1: rofl
Jul 29 16:21:03 <dos1> hmm
Jul 29 16:21:08 <d1b> but the nda!
Jul 29 16:21:09 <d1b> the nda!
Jul 29 16:21:10 <dos1> hmm "glamo is the best thing i ever saw!"
Jul 29 16:21:16 <dos1> :D
Jul 29 16:21:37 <d1b> dos1: your violating the nda stop it now!
Jul 29 16:22:31 <d1b> say apple says jailbroken iphone are dangerious how does the openmoko stand up vs the iphone then :)
Jul 29 16:22:37 <d1b> what's more destructive /m e wonders
Jul 29 16:23:11 * Weiss wonders how much Glamo-bashing should actually be "lack of FPU bashing"
Jul 29 16:23:50 <Weiss> it's slow, but it's not THAT slow (the use of a completely non-accelerated X driver is perfectly bearable)
Jul 29 16:25:11 <Weiss> and at least the people who are serious about playing with it have access to the docs. if we'd used, say, an SGX-based chip, then we'd be entirely prisoner to the manufacturer's terms
Jul 29 16:28:03 <dos1> glamo sucks, lack of FPU also sucks
Jul 29 16:28:09 <dos1> both summed up sucks even more
Jul 29 16:28:11 <dos1> ;)
Jul 29 16:28:15 <Weiss> perhaps
Jul 29 16:28:36 <Weiss> take Boxar for example - i'm convinced that that would be perfectly fine if it didn't use floating-point maths everywhere
Jul 29 16:29:19 <Weiss> consider: each floating point instruction invokes a branch to the undefined instruction vector, software decoding, execution, then branching back. that reduces our 400 MHz chip to something not a huge amount faster than a BBC Micro
Jul 29 16:29:51 <PaulFertser> Weiss: i thought that OE compiles with userspace softfloat, no?
Jul 29 16:30:22 <Weiss> hmm possibly.. i don't know
Jul 29 16:32:50 <Weiss> even so.. it's a lot of cycles to lose when things could be done in integer arithmetic
Jul 29 16:33:14 <dos1> yes, we're using softfloat
Jul 29 16:34:12 * Weiss remembers RISC OS on a 12 MHz CPU with an 8 MHz memory bus (around 7 times slower than our infamous Glamo bus), and it was sooo much more responsive
Jul 29 16:35:00 <dos1> Weiss: on which resolution? ;x
Jul 29 16:35:11 <dos1> well, 480x640 is overkill here
Jul 29 16:36:00 <Weiss> 640x480 (but only 4 or 8bpp)
Jul 29 16:36:23 <Weiss> what i'm really saying is that i'm not convinced that bandwidth to the screen is what limits our responsiveness in general
Jul 29 16:37:02 <dos1> Weiss: then work on it and show us, how responsible glamo can be! :)
Jul 29 16:37:15 <Weiss> scrolling in the console and in something like SHR's contacts application shows you what the "Glamo factor" feels like, roughly
Jul 29 16:37:37 <Weiss> hehe, i intend to :)
Jul 29 16:37:48 * dos1 would like to be wrong with sucking glamo ;)
Jul 29 16:38:42 <larsc> 240x320 is so much more responsive...
Jul 29 16:39:25 <Weiss> yeah.. it's a huge difference
Jul 29 16:47:51 <Weiss> when OE builds something from Git, can it be given a symbolic ref instead of a branch name?
Jul 29 16:50:01 <Weiss> that'd perhaps allow us to create a pointer to whatever the "most recent vaguely stable" kernel is, despite the upcoming upheavals and possible future experimentation
Jul 29 16:54:28 * Sharwin_F wishes opkg wouldn't download aaaall the kernel modules every time there's a new upgrade...
Jul 29 16:58:58 <dos1> Sharwin_F: just uninstall unneded
Jul 29 16:59:04 <dos1> s/unne/unnee/
Jul 29 16:59:04 <bzzbot> dos1 meant: Sharwin_F: just uninstall unneeded
Jul 29 17:00:17 <Sharwin_F> is there some meta-package or similar for uncommon ones?
Jul 29 17:33:20 <Meomer> what to do if i don't get an ethernet iface on the fr anymore?
Jul 29 17:34:05 <naeg> do application compiled against glibc work under uclibc?
Jul 29 17:36:00 <larsc> nope
Jul 29 17:37:04 <naeg> thanks larsc 
Jul 29 17:42:07 <usr> how can i release a button after a click (python-elementary)
Jul 29 17:48:19 <Meomer> my phone ran out of power yesterday and since then i can't get wifi to work anymore
Jul 29 17:56:30 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: Weiss: float is float is a hoooog
Jul 29 17:56:54 <DocScrutinizer> that's what copro's are invented for ;-)
Jul 29 17:57:18 <DocScrutinizer> but - seriously - who needs float? ever?
Jul 29 17:58:10 <Ainulindale>  /W 14
Jul 29 17:58:11 <Ainulindale> grmbl
Jul 29 18:01:56 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: writing fixed point code requires careful considerations on every calculation step though...
Jul 29 18:02:10 <mwester> DoCScrutinizer sounds like my engineering professor.  He used to penalize answers on tests that had too many digits past the decimal point, and would go on rants about "accuracy" vs "precision" and why the calculator was ruining an entire generation's brains...
Jul 29 18:02:19 <DocScrutinizer> hehe, that divides coders from boys ;ß)
Jul 29 18:02:34 <mwester> My engineering professor was completely right.  And float is generally evil.
Jul 29 18:02:58 <DocScrutinizer> mwester: 100 ack
Jul 29 18:05:25 <wpwrak> mwester: i've heard that kind of rant in physics as well :)
Jul 29 18:05:25 <DocScrutinizer> braben allegedly coded the entire Elite / TLF game trilogy in Assembler, finaly a few dozen mio lines. and completely 8bit based
Jul 29 18:06:31 <wpwrak> he could just have swallowed a few downers :)
Jul 29 18:07:21 <DocScrutinizer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_(video_game)
Jul 29 18:07:45 <PaulFertser> mwester: i always thought that the slide rule is inherently floating point?
Jul 29 18:08:00 <wpwrak> hmm, a little off-topic (gtk+), but does anyone here know how to change the color of the separator between cells in a gtk table ?
Jul 29 18:08:43 <mwester> Aaaah!  My professor would love you PaulFertser -- he would jump right into a discussion about accuracy vs precision, and why the slide rule was a better tool than the calculator.
Jul 29 18:08:45 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: quantum physics say it's just "very long int"
Jul 29 18:09:33 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: i honestly doubt that. ;)
Jul 29 18:10:15 <PaulFertser> mwester: i like that kind of professors, you can say them one carefully crafted sentence and they'll diverge from the topic completely till the end of the class :D
Jul 29 18:11:32 <mwester> :)   1 / 3 = 0
Jul 29 18:12:18 <mwester> Although the example he used was always "10 / 3 = 3"
Jul 29 18:12:21 <DocScrutinizer> pragma base ???
Jul 29 18:12:59 <DocScrutinizer> pragma round ???
Jul 29 18:13:38 <DocScrutinizer> seems all perfectly true statements to me, under varefully chosen conditions
Jul 29 18:13:39 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: int is completely determined and carries fixed amount of information. Quantum values depend on the observer and are described using another kind of language.
Jul 29 18:14:27 <DocScrutinizer> though usually U want also to be true "3 * 3 = 10" then ;-)
Jul 29 18:14:49 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: hmm, i was more thinking of the planck length
Jul 29 18:14:58 <DocScrutinizer> otherwise you get into trouble seriously
Jul 29 18:15:33 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: base 9
Jul 29 18:15:37 <DocScrutinizer> with keeping your head above tide of confusion
Jul 29 18:17:02 <DocScrutinizer> well, the better paradigma still is to consider NO calculation reversible
Jul 29 18:17:29 <DocScrutinizer> as it's exactly like this for float as well
Jul 29 18:18:02 <DocScrutinizer> that's why you use "display"  type in cobol btw
Jul 29 18:18:13 <DocScrutinizer> truely reversible
Jul 29 18:18:30 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, scrap that
Jul 29 18:18:37 <wpwrak> math needs an "undo" operator ;-)
Jul 29 18:18:53 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: do you know that with float you can have a==a to be false?
Jul 29 18:18:56 <DocScrutinizer> F'
Jul 29 18:19:23 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: which implementation ?
Jul 29 18:20:08 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: i think almost any at least on x86. Register and memory use different format to represent values.
Jul 29 18:20:55 <DocScrutinizer> muhaha, that one
Jul 29 18:21:30 <DocScrutinizer> implementation buggy then
Jul 29 18:21:31 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: oh, right. lovely :)
Jul 29 18:21:33 <PaulFertser> (gcc.info)Disappointments 
Jul 29 18:21:57 <PaulFertser> No, it's hardware and some ISO standard just don't quite match :)
Jul 29 18:22:01 <DocScrutinizer> to move from reg to mem is an opaque type cast
Jul 29 18:22:14 <DocScrutinizer> compiler needs to care for that
Jul 29 18:22:20 <DocScrutinizer> even on compare
Jul 29 18:22:39 <bumbl> mrmoku|away: yippeah a new image! working=
Jul 29 18:22:40 <bumbl> ?
Jul 29 18:22:58 <DocScrutinizer> tell us! working?
Jul 29 18:23:12 <DocScrutinizer> no update for 3weeks here :(
Jul 29 18:23:27 <bumbl> DocScrutinizer: downloading at the moment
Jul 29 19:00:45 <Gorbusch|away> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/jailbreak/
Jul 29 19:00:45 <Gorbusch|away> if each of those hacked iphones is a thread, then each freerunner is one as well
Jul 29 19:03:01 <usr> if i use python-elementary, is there a way to release an button-item which is in a list? it stays pressed after release
Jul 29 19:04:14 <bumbl> hmm it seems to be that ophonekitd does not start with the freerunner
Jul 29 19:08:24 <Weiss> floating-point arithmetic requires careful consideration at each step, too
Jul 29 19:08:41 <Weiss> at least, the problems which rear their heads if you don't think carefully enough often come up in scientific programming
Jul 29 19:10:31 <Heinervdm> usr: it will release after the click method has finished
Jul 29 19:11:39 <bumbl> hmm ok current unstable lacks gsm and usb networking as it seems
Jul 29 19:11:46 <bumbl> with qi and uboot tested
Jul 29 19:13:09 <PaulFertser> Weiss: 22:00 < PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: writing fixed point code requires careful considerations on every  calculation step though...
Jul 29 19:13:31 <PaulFertser> Weiss: oh, sorry.
Jul 29 19:13:54 <PaulFertser> Weiss: i mean integer calculations are magnitude harder to get right though.
Jul 29 19:14:04 <Weiss> yeah, i know what you mean
Jul 29 19:15:17 <usr> Heinervdm: a regular button yes, but i created a sort of a list and the buttons stay pressed until a other button is pressed
Jul 29 19:15:38 * Weiss is going to eat some chocolate, then program the last bit which hopefully makes "stuff" work. in that order.
Jul 29 19:15:46 <Heinervdm> usr: ok, then i don't know
Jul 29 19:15:52 <usr> thx
Jul 29 19:16:01 <PaulFertser> Weiss: what kind of chocolate?
Jul 29 19:16:48 <DocScrutinizer> A colleague always used to claim it's utterly stupid to pick coder for a profession :-P. I use to add "coders are the only profession (maybe except med. doctors) actively working to abolish their own field of duty"
Jul 29 19:16:48 <usr> if i would put the buttons in a scrolled window it would also work, but i decided to just put em in the box
Jul 29 19:17:53 * DocScrutinizer considers re-eductation for psychologist for neoronal networks
Jul 29 19:18:09 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: :)
Jul 29 19:18:23 <PaulFertser> Do they already need any? ;)
Jul 29 19:19:25 <DocScrutinizer> wait a few years. Education will take longer ;-)
Jul 29 19:21:36 <Weiss> PaulFertser: a gooey chocolate pudding thing.. very unhealthy
Jul 29 19:22:07 <PaulFertser> Haha, it won't harm if you don't do it every day, will it? :)
Jul 29 19:22:40 * PaulFertser prefers dark chocolate. Bitter as beer.
Jul 29 19:22:53 <Weiss> hehe
Jul 29 19:23:00 <Weiss> i like stuff in the 55-75% range
Jul 29 19:24:54 * DocScrutinizer chews a KitKat
Jul 29 19:25:37 <usr> so crazy, i finally started to code my ide ^^, first goal is to creat a basic window and add a button 
Jul 29 19:25:55 <Meomer> i would choose coder as profession, it's just nobody is hiring me without experience :)
Jul 29 19:27:37 <PaulFertser> Meomer: hehe, i was lucky to be employed as a coder when i was ~15 :) I proved i'm able to write code by writing a GPL'd utility for that company.
Jul 29 19:27:55 <bumbl> DocScrutinizer: garbage collectors ;)
Jul 29 19:29:33 <bumbl> Meomer: well advertise yourself one month Meomer for free - you won't regret your choice
Jul 29 19:30:33 <Meomer> hmm, i have to check what the legal boundaries are for that ... can get you into hells kitchen because of insurance etc., but that sounds like a plan
Jul 29 19:30:36 <PaulFertser> And then one of my first tasks was to make several 8086 assembly routines work in Delphi win32. There was one nasty gotcha but i managed it :)
Jul 29 19:31:21 <mwester> coders don't make any money.  project management pays far better.
Jul 29 19:31:53 <bumbl> mwester: going into economy pays even better
Jul 29 19:32:05 <Meomer> hmm, the project managers i know all used to work up to 12 hours a day or 100 or more hours a week
Jul 29 19:32:16 <mwester> but beggars can't be choosey, and with the economy so screwed, my next contract I won't even be a coder.  I'll be an admin.
Jul 29 19:33:09 <Meomer> i would love to do some internship or something in the uk maybe, but it's just too expensive to fly people in these days i suspect
Jul 29 19:33:43 <mwester> Meomer,  yes, but never underestimate how much easier overtime is when you have some small control over the schedule; most coders have no power at all.  They just work. And work.  And work. And if they complain, management here threatens them with outsourcing their jobs to Asia.
Jul 29 19:33:49 <Meomer> i would even take the train, but most flights are cheaper than the eurostar :)
Jul 29 19:34:56 <usr> bye
Jul 29 19:36:45 <bumbl> Meomer: that's what i am doing at the moment (doing an internship [income = costs for getting to the job,material,...]) but as it helps deciding what i want to do later i don't bother
Jul 29 19:42:07 <PaulFertser> mwester: where have the days of "Tao of the Programming" go...
Jul 29 19:44:04 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r937201bc7bbf 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_ogsmd_calls.py: opimd: ogsmd-Calls: fix error when loading entries
Jul 29 19:45:26 <mwester> PaulFertser,  I worked for a company that specialized in code quality analysis for a while.  The Tao of Programming is not something recognized by companies or middle managers here in the US anymore.  Quality is an afterthought.  They have educated the public to accept crap code with the promise that they can install software updates, or reflash newer firmware. :(
Jul 29 19:47:13 <mwester> The thinking is that it doesn't matter if  you get it right the first time, because it's cheaper to bet that nobody will notice, or they won't bother to complain, or they'll accept a bugfix later instead.  So it is, ultimately, the  consumers that have decided that coding can be done by inexperienced and poorly-trained people.
Jul 29 19:47:55 * dos1 is stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid
Jul 29 19:47:57 <PaulFertser> mwester: ...
Jul 29 19:48:09 <dos1> i know i shouldn't take care about optimalization too much in frameworkd
Jul 29 19:48:31 <dos1> but iterating though all fields to check, if contact is duplicated
Jul 29 19:48:50 <dos1> and in *every* iteration getting all fields... it's kinda stupid ;x
Jul 29 19:56:45 <dos1> it's not only stupid... it introduced bug ;x
Jul 29 19:56:50 <dos1> fixing it makes everything faster :D
Jul 29 19:57:17 <bumbl> mwester: doing it the blackberry way then?
Jul 29 20:03:49 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r24c16346bc05 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_calls.py pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: make merging a little faster and fix bug with duplicates
Jul 29 20:06:18 <GNUtoo> hi, I've questions on SHR...if I take oe's shr-import branch and that I bitbake an shr image for a new device will it work or must I use the makefile that I don't like
Jul 29 20:06:19 <GNUtoo> ?
Jul 29 20:06:48 <GNUtoo> Ainulindale, did you get my mail?
Jul 29 20:14:24 <sallesao> gaudenz: so, can I try you build out? :)
Jul 29 20:18:23 <gaudenz> It will be at http://people.debian.org/~gaudenz/d-i-openmoko/ in a few minutes. Still uploading
Jul 29 20:21:16 <dos1> TAsn: check, if your issue is fixed now
Jul 29 20:32:09 <gaudenz> sallesao, the upload is done.
Jul 29 22:23:56 <TAsn> dos1, is it built?
Jul 29 22:26:37 <dos1> TAsn: frameworkd? i suppose no
Jul 29 22:26:44 <TAsn> ;\
Jul 29 22:27:06 <TAsn> so i'll test it tomorrow
Jul 29 22:27:09 <TAsn> too tired to review patches
Jul 29 22:27:11 <TAsn> ;)
Jul 30 00:32:52 * Sharwin_F has compiled succesfully ace-of.penguins for the FR using the toolchain :D
Jul 30 00:33:05 <Sharwin_F> now we can play solitaire in the FR!!!  :D
Jul 30 00:35:29 <Sharwin_F> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/d7f27a4ecfc78d93176921e82b69c0c2.png
Jul 30 01:27:33 <Blu3> sweet
Jul 30 01:30:34 <Sharwin_F> Blu3, it's in opkg.org now if you wanna try ;)
Jul 30 01:30:48 <Sharwin_F> http://www.opkg.org/package_257.html
Jul 30 01:30:59 <Blu3> i would, but my fone is still being buzz fixed.  i'll definitely add it when i get it back tho
Jul 30 02:51:31 <Sharwin_F> leafpad (text editor) compiled well also http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e83ef82d580bdaf8f3175f644e330b47.png
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